When you’re interviewing an expert, it never hurts to come prepared. But when Al Jazeera journalist Jane Dutton quizzed Douglas Murray on the conflict in the Middle East, the unsuspecting interviewer quickly became the interviewee in a rather humiliating twist…

‘You’ve got to inform your viewers of the facts, and you just misled them,’ Murray told Dutton during a heated debate about the Israel-Gaza conflict. First discussing the definition of genocide, the Al Jazeera reporter quickly moved on to state that there was an illegal occupation of Gaza by Israel, adding that ‘Israel is internationally recognised as an occupying state’. ‘No, no, it’s not at all. That’s your view,’ Murray hit back. ‘Our views may differ but the facts are the facts, and I want to pick you up on something you just did.’ ‘I’m interviewing you,’ Dutton fumed. ‘I know, but I think you’re uninformed,’ Murray replied. Ouch…

He continued:

The point you keep trying to distract everyone from is that Israel took every Jew from Gaza in 2005, handed it over to the Palestinians who then voted in Hamas and, to the great detriment of the Palestinian people, they have been rules by Hamas for the last 18 years. If you want to look to the source of the conflict, look to that fact.

After Murray’s history lesson, Dutton decided she wanted to move on to discuss ‘illegal settlements’ on the West Bank. ‘Every time there would be a peace agreement, settlements would pop up and that’s why we are where we are today.’ Looking incredulous, Murray told her:

You just did it again. You just threw in another false fact. We are not where we are today because of settlements in the West Bank that are disputed. That’s not why Hamas broke out of Gaza on 7 October and massacred people in their homes. That’s not because of the West Bank and you well know it. You well know that Hamas did not commit the massacre of 7 October because of settlements. They did it by their own admission because they want to massacre every Jew they can get their hands on and Hamas has said they will do it again and again.

Talk about wiping the floor with your opponent…

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