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Why were we going to Israel? For the winter sunshine, of course

But no one – friends, relatives, colleagues or immigration officials – will ever believe that

23 January 2016

9:00 AM

23 January 2016

9:00 AM

Portugal, Spain, Italy, Greece, Croatia, Morocco: if I had picked anywhere else on the Mediterranean for a family holiday, at least anywhere that’s not convulsed by civil war, I don’t think anyone would have noticed. But when I told friends that we were taking our children to Israel on vacation, I got some odd looks. Was there a special reason, someone wanted to know. Were we in search of political insight, asked another. Perhaps one of us was interested in finding his or her Jewish roots, an acquaintance suggested. Perhaps one of us was ‘searching’, spiritually speaking, and would like to walk in the steps of Jesus. Nobody seemed able to believe that we just…went to Israel, on Wizzair, in search of winter sunshine.

But that wasn’t the end of it. ‘What is the purpose of your visit to Israel?’ Upon arriving in Tel Aviv we were stopped, as everyone is, and asked to explain ourselves. When we mumbled something about tourism and showed our various passports — between the four of us we have two surnames, three nationalities (Polish, US, UK), various combinations of dual citizenship — we got more questions. Nobody just… goes to Israel. What was our real goal? Only when my husband produced the name of an Israeli acquaintance — a man who jumped off a train heading for Treblinka 75 years ago and joined the Polish underground — did the point of our trip seem to make sense: Ah, a connection to history, to tragedy, to heroism. We were waved ahead.


To be fair, the Israelis have good reason to assume that visitors will be ‘searching,’ whether for salvation or glory, because so many have in the past. We had lunch in Haifa’s ‘German colony,’ built by Protestants who came to the Holy Land in the 19th century to await the Second Coming. We had dinner nearby in Zichron Yaakov, built at about the same time by Baron Edmond de Rothschild, to realize his utopian vision of a Jewish national home. Just up the coast we visited Acre, an earlier incarnation of which was built by, among others, the Order of the Brothers of the German House of Saint Mary, otherwise known as the Teutonic Knights. Conquered by King Baldwin I of Jerusalem in 1104, Acre once produced more revenue for the Crusader coffers than the entire kingdom of England. After it fell, the Mameluks burned it, on the grounds that this would keep the Christians from coming back.

But they did. In 1917, the British arrived with what seemed a pragmatic agenda — to tidy up the place and divide the whole region into proper modern countries — but that proved utopian too. Wanting to keep things simple, a British bureaucrat named Sykes declared that he would like to draw a straight line from the ‘e in Acre to the k in Kirkuk’. That unfortunate straight line, crafted together with Monsieur Picot of the Quai d’Orsai, divided the French mandate from the British and eventually gave birth to a series of untenable borders and unviable states which are being violently disputed even as you are reading this article. From the top of the Golan Heights, a mere 40 miles from Damascus, I could hear the echoes of distant artillery fire only last week.

But if the locals suffer from a long tradition of over-enthusiastic visitors, so do the visitors. ‘Jerusalem Syndrome’, a malady caused by proximity to the birthplace of three great religions, is one result: sufferers begin to believe that they are, in fact, the messiah. ‘Tour Guide Syndrome’, is another: sufferers begin to feel that they cannot possibly bear to hear one more lecture about the Arab-Israeli dispute, pro or con. I don’t know how to cure the former. But the latter can be alleviated by the polenta with truffle oil and porcini at Machneyuda, the fashionably noisy restaurant near Jerusalem’s spectacular spice and vegetable market. Israeli craft beer helps.

So does Israeli wine, though one has to be careful. The very expression ‘kosher wine’ has the same effect on me as the sound of someone scratching their fingernails along a chalkboard, so negative are my childhood memories of that sickly sweet beverage. Fortunately, there is now an alternative. Once upon a time, wine had to be boiled in order to be considered kosher, hence the revolting result. But nowadays, according to an Orthodox vintner who explained this at great length, wine merely has to be made by people who are observant, or anyway observant enough to win the local rabbi’s approval, in order to get a kosher label. I have no idea if that’s what the scriptures say, but in any case there is quite a lot of good wine to be had in Israel, both kosher and unkosher. And if you drink enough of it, then your millenarian vision will seem far, far less urgent.

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Anne Applebaum is a contributing editor of The Spectator. She can speak French, Polish and Russian. Her books include Iron Curtain: The Crushing of Eastern Europe 1944–56.

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  • Mow_the_Grass

    But Anne – you know the Sabra?
    Prickly on the outside – but friendly and warm once get to know each other.
    By the way security at BG is one of the best in the world – and Israeli’s also get the treatment – i know i was once detained at Sde Dov for a morning.

  • jobacon

    Quay d’Orsay

  • johnb1945

    I remember in the mid-80s the resort of Eilat being advertised on TV to the tune of “Hava Nagila”….”Have a ball, have it all… in Is-Ra-El!!!” went the refrain.

    Anyone else remember that?

    I also remember several friends with no Jewish roots or interest in anything religious whatsoever going there for a beach holiday. A simple, lounge by the beach holiday, maybe mixed with a bit of diving.

    Did those days ever leave us? I have a feeling they did. Will they ever return? Israel seems an obvious alternative to me while the Egyptian red sea resorts are deemed insecure. You do get grilled when you enter and leave the country though.

  • Maureen Fisher

    I greatly enjoyed your book Ms Applebaum. I’d love to go to Israel one day but the security side puts me off.

    • cityca

      Don’t let it. It’s thorough and sensible. I’d rather thorough than slapdash any day, as the Russian plane out of Egypt so tragically demonstrates.

      • Maureen Fisher

        I wouldn’t want to be turned back at the border because a Facebook friend may have posted something they don’t like.

    • justejudexultionis

      Much safer to visit Israel than Egypt. Just don’t go near the West Bank or Gaza Strip.

    • On the other hand…

      Just tour there in a tank and you’ll be fine dear.

  • john

    Everybody enjoys a hols in Israeli Occupied Palestine.

    • Ivan Ewan

      Arab-occupied Judea and Samaria.

      edit – oh I’m sorry, as the writer was talking about Tel Aviv and locations on the med coast… I’m guessing you’re one of those “from the river to the sea” genocidalists, right?

      • john

        I must be confused – I thought the whole region was Arab territory until the 1948 land grab.

        • cityca

          You are confused because that ‘land grab’, was sanctioned by the UN, but don’t let facts spoil your bigotry.

          • john

            Still a land grab. PS It was a very small UN in those days.

          • Mark

            How is land Arab? But if you insist……

            If you really wanna go back the land was Jewish, then Roman then Roman- Judeo – Christian then invaded by Arab Muslims, liberated by Crusaders, recaptured by Muslim Arabs, fought over by Byzantines, Arabs, Turks, British.

            As for the people, a population exchange took place in the late 40s and through the 50s Jews were evicted from across the Middle East, they replaced some of the Arabs who left during the war of independence. The Arabs who stayed are still there, Israeli citizens with voting rights, jobs, places at university, some of them join the IDF.

            john, if anything it was a failed Arab land grab in 1947-8 in defiance of the UN, followed by a population exchange followed by years of Arab denial of reality, supported by their useful idiots across the globe.

          • john

            In 1948, Arabs and Israelis were more or less equal in what was Palestine. Now Jews outnumber Arabs 6:1. Land grab.

          • Mark

            Or maybe more Jews were displaced to Israel from the diaspora than Arabs were displaced from it?

          • john

            Jews went willingly to Israel. Arabs were kicked out or squeezed out.

          • On the other hand…

            or liquidated.

          • Mark

            Ah yes, those liquidated Arabs, but they weren’t were they? Hence the Israeli Arab population, represented in The Knesset, academia and the IDF.

            There is no equivalent Jewish community in any Arab state.

          • On the other hand…

            You don’t like to go back beyond the period that suits your mythology? You’re entitled to invent the history you wish, and nobody can either prove or disprove an invented ‘history’. But don’t claim that it is certain and a fact. you know it’s not, and only suits your purposes.

          • Mark

            The history I quote goes back before the Arabs emerged from Arabia.

            “Invented history?” so refute it, I’m happy to learn.

            “Suits your purposes”?…..LOL! enlighten me, tell me about your fantasy about my “purposes”.

          • On the other hand…

            Apart from the Old Testament, which your religion wrote, what history remains? No evidence of Adam and Eve of course, and the same applies to the mythical Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Job, Joseph and his brothers, Solomon and David etc. Nice stories. But where’s ANY evidence they existed in real life? None. That’s why I call it ‘invented’, because it was invented to justify the Israelites’ extermination and genocide of everyone in their path so seize the fertile land of Palestine with its access to the Mediterranean.
            That’s all I meant.

          • Mark

            “Apart from the Old Testament, which your religion wrote”, what history remains? ha, ha! comically wrong on so many levels.

            Archeology? The existence of ancient artefacts that evidence Hebrew residence on the land at a time before Arabic was a language, let alone an identity.

            But thanks for sharing your fantasy of me, and thereby confirming that you have an “ishoo with joos”.
            Because of course, no neutral person could possibly weigh up the competing claims of Arabs and Jews in favour of the Israelis without “purposes” could they?

        • Mark

          You are confused, for centuries it was Ottoman territory, for a brief interlude it was mandated to the British Empire before the UN voted to partition the land. There was always a significant Jewish population which was growing on land bought, in many cases, from Arab landlords.
          After the UN vote, the Arabs (States and irregulars) attacked and somehow Western liberals and leftists having been delighted at the advance of modernism and Western values inherent in the Israeli democracy remembered in the early 70s they didn’t really like the Jews that much after all.

          • john

            It was always ARAB land despite an endless list of occupying forces. Jews were about 10% (1830 British survey) and lived there for centuries.

          • Mow_the_Grass

            Jews have an unbroken attachment to Eretz Yisrael going back some three thousand years (proven through science/archeology) – this is our land.
            Unlike colonizing britain/france/Portugal/spain
            btw – you and your ilk that shill for the arab (from afar) – are about to get to enjoy more and more of your friends at close quarters on the streets of your towns and little english villigers.
            Enjoy.

          • On the other hand…

            sorry, define ‘proven’ . and stop being dishonest. Prove the existence of the Exedus, the Captivity, Moses, Solomon, David… you can’t! except in the scriptures. no proof at all. Let alone the fable about the Pharoh Joseph.
            Actually no-one can prove that Jesus existed.

          • On the other hand…

            You love the word ILK.. why not look it up and use it properly. It cen be effective, when understood.

          • Mow_the_Grass

            You are confused with terminolgy
            Jews lived in ARAB lands for hundreds of years in syria/Iraq/lebenon/marocco/egypt etcetcet.
            They were ARAB Jews – who were forced to leave these countries – some seven hundred thousand of them.
            These form part of the Mizrahi Jews that fled to Israel.
            ARAB is nationality.
            Jew/ Muslim is religion.
            So now – what specifically you referring to when you say ARAB.

          • john

            You are confused between occupying force and native population. The people were always largely Arab.

          • Mc

            See above. Before Arabs, some one else lived there., and some one else before them. But for you, it’s an obsession with Arabs

          • Mow_the_Grass

            Yes – both Jewish and Muslim Arab.

        • justejudexultionis

          Jews have been living continuously in ‘Palestine’ since at least the tenth century BC.

          • john

            Nobody doubts that for 1 second. Why a state in 48?

          • Mow_the_Grass

            Why not?

          • Maureen Fisher

            Read the author of this article’s excellent book and you will have an inkling as to why Eastern Europe or Russia was not an option for surviving displaced Jews to return to.

          • Mark

            Why? because it was time, that’s why. It still is.

          • john

            Why was it time? The State of Israel has been a disaster for the Middle East, a nagging problem to the world and mixed benefit to Zionists.

          • On the other hand…

            It will spell the end of any sympathies for the jews that some may still harbour.

          • On the other hand…

            you mean no-one else was there? Brother, give up the bible reading – it turns you blind (to the truth if nothing else!)

          • On the other hand…

            Jews have been living just about everywhere for longer than that!!! They’ll be claiming the world next .. perhaps they do already, secretly. Of course – I hadn’t thought of it before. Clever Jews..

        • Ivan Ewan

          It was British territory at the time. The Ottoman Empire joined the wrong side of WW1. It’s not as if the Ottomans didn’t do the same thing when they took over the region from the Romans, who owned Syria Palestinia from circa AD50 onwards, who themselves took it from the Hebrews who took it from the Canaanites.

          Of course, in the absense of Romans and Canaanites, the basic question is who has the greatest claim to the land on cultural and historical grounds, Jews or Arabs.

          Jews:
          Lived in Judea and Samaria for more than two thousand years.
          All holy sites located here.
          No other indigenous lands.
          A regular target of racial hatred throughout history.

          Arabs:
          Had all but abandoned Palestine as being dead land prior to the Balfour declaration.
          One holy site here, the place where Mohammad claimed that a flying horse (with a woman’s face, too) took him once, in the middle of the night when nobody could see.
          More than 50 other Arab states available, many of them in the same region.
          So pandered to, that they can rape Europeans in broad daylight and get away with it if that is their intention.

          If that’s not ‘case closed’, then yes, you are definitely confused, or more likely concussed.

          • john

            The population of the region has always been predominantly Arab/Muslim. Outside occupiers have run the region for thousands of years. Now its Israel.

          • Mc

            “Always been predominantly Arab/Muslim”. You mean predominantly Muslim only since Muslims invaded the area. It’s all a matter of how far back in time one goes.

          • Ivan Ewan

            Yeah, you’re concussed pretty badly. Go and see a doctor. If he isn’t sure immediately what’s wrong with you, just repeat your opinion about Arab Muslims having been around… let alone in Judea-Samaria… for thousands of years.

          • On the other hand…

            Funny how desperate people with no argument to offer resort to childishness, isn’t it John. well no…. isrealites have never relied on logic or non-talmudic sources to prove their spurious mythical origins. They will tell us that Adam was a jew next!!!

          • Ivan Ewan

            So you agree with john that Arab Muslims have been around for thousands of years also?

            You know, I’m no Talmudic scholar… let alone Israeli, good grief your narrow-mindedness is staggering, but from your argument I’d say your only study has been the Koran, because Muslims and only Muslims believe that their faith has existed long enough to have been living in Judea-Samaria for most of its history.

            Please, don’t make arguments that successfully attack noone but yourself. It’s very embarrassing.

          • Count Spencer

            Straight to ad hominem when you run out of steam.

          • Ivan Ewan

            When I encounter an opposing argument of any merit I’ll let you know. Don’t hold your breath though mate.

          • Hamburger

            Really? As the Jews started living there 4000 years ago, and have ever since your statement in very peculiar.

          • john

            I don’t think you understand the word “predominantly” BTW Aren’t Jews the same racial group as Arabs?

          • Hamburger

            They all have a Semitic heritage, the predominance of Islam is relatively recent. It does not obscure the fact that Jews have lived there over the last 4000 years.

          • john

            Bit of a goof above: It wasn’t British territory. It was briefly a British Mandatory responsibility under the 1920 Paris Peace Treaty,

    • justejudexultionis

      You lost ‘Palestine’. Just get over it. Oh, BTW, it is pure hypocrisy for Arabs to criticise Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians when they have killed more of their own people than the Israelis ever will. Also, now that the Jews (and even Christians) have been expelled from just about every Arab country perhaps it is time for the Arabs to admit their own hypocrisy in condemning the continued (legitimate) Jewish presence in ‘Palestine’.

      • john

        Israel is a militaristic outpost of the West (financed by the US) and at some point, the Arabs will win their land back. It may not be pretty.

        • Mow_the_Grass

          Two things for you ‘pal/ette’
          Whatever Israel receives from the US is usually ‘re-spent’ back in US in terms of military requirements – including mutual defence projects ie Iron Dome.
          Arabs will never get their hands on Eretz Yisrael – they have tried in ’48/56/67/73 and many other times – they have learnt their lesson and brsidrs which the arab/muslim world is a complete balagan and in massive turmoil from which parts of it will never recover.
          Sorry to spoil your day – you and your ilk will never spoil mine.

          • john

            “including mutual defence projects ie Iron Dome”.

            What a bizarre definition. US handout to assuage Israeli lobby more accurately. How does it defend the US?

          • Mow_the_Grass

            The same way that US deploys its Patriot missile system in various places of strategic interest (to the US)
            It now will be able to deploy this upgraded system.
            It also benefits from any avionic upgrades of its F15/16 done by IAF.
            Just a coupla examples.
            Now buzz lil brit.

          • john

            Congratulations on the most unconvincing explanation offered so far.

          • Mow_the_Grass

            The only convincing thing here is your problem with anything to do with Jews/Israel.

          • john

            Ludicrous comment. I have a problem with the origins (colonial) and current policies (brutal treatment of Palestinians) of the State of Israel.

          • mohdanga

            You might want to concern yourself a little more with the treatment of Middle eastern Jews and Christians at the hands of the poor Muslims.

          • On the other hand…

            what is the relevance of that crass comment? certainly those of use who vocally support the Palestinian cause are furious about, and utterly condemn, the horrors of ISIS and Hamas and Hezbollah, and Saudi and Iran. But does that mean that we must love Israel? Hating Facsism does not make you a Communist and vice-versa.

          • Michael Davison

            Do you also hate the expulsion and divestment of over one million Jews from Arab and Muslim countries between 1948 and 1970?

            If you have one standard for Israel and another for the Arabs/Muslims, you do know that that makes you, don’t you.

            Can you spell H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E?

            Maintaining double standards regarding the parties of a conflict is nothing but rank hypocrisy.

          • On the other hand…

            … as do all right-thinking democratic people

          • mohdanga

            And how much in aid do Muslim countries get from the US?? Billions, if I’m not mistaken. But we get the solid allies of Pakistan and Egypt….

          • Angus Prune

            Regarding the ‘re-spending’ of US taxpayer’s money…. essentially you want gratitude for taking $3bn of military supplies without paying the people who manufactured it a single penny. Israeli accounting at it finest… let ‘them’ work for ‘us’.

            After all,’they’re’ only two legged beasts.

          • Mow_the_Grass

            US spends billions in aid.
            With Israel at least they have some benefit.
            Thinly veiled jewhate – what do you say jockroach

          • Michael Davison

            Do you have the same objections to the $2 billion Egypt receives annually with no strings attached?

            How about the $1.2 billion that Jordan receives, again with no strings attached?

            Or maybe you should consider the billions “donated” to UNRWA and the Palestinian Authority over the years, much, if not most of which is stolen by Fatah and Hamas?

            Of course you won’t think of any of these because it doesn’t suit your narrative, does it?

        • Maureen Fisher

          Nothing they have done elsewhere is pretty so you could expect pretty much the same bloodbath between themselves were they to get a foothold in Israel.

          • Mow_the_Grass

            Or as we say here.
            Hazava hagana b’Yisrael tamid lahatziliach ke hem shomrim al Israel vah hem bezad hanaghon.
            Israel defence force will always prevail in the defence of the land of Israel because we are on the right side.

          • On the other hand…

            LOL!

        • King Kibbutz

          I take it then, that said land was totally unoccupied when the Arabs, in the beginning as it were, meandered peacefully northwards?

          • On the other hand…

            it was certainly not peopled by a majority of Jews

          • King Kibbutz

            Not even the Judea bit? And certainly none by Arabs so why any sense of ‘reclamation’?

    • Angus Prune

      Will anybody in this world, apart from the obvious few, shed a tear when the Israel project is erased from the pages of time?

      • Mow_the_Grass

        ‘erased from the pages of time’
        Muslim ringer??

      • Count Spencer

        If all things remained equal, not a tear would be shed. However, I would not put it past the Israeli’s to have built a doomsday bomb to take every one down with them.

        • On the other hand…

          It’s part of their theology. They’re capable of it to spite us all.

      • Jambo25

        I (A non Jew) certainly would if it was ever to happen as its the only truly modern and civilised society in the entire Mid East region.

      • On the other hand…

        no-one… roll on!!

  • Roger Hudson

    I used to like it but no longer, i once walked over a hill of scrub from Jerusalem to Bethlehem for midnight mass (24/12/80), now there is a nasty great wall and horrible boxy apartments in the way.
    Can you still get beach huts on the shores of Kinneret (sea of Galilea)? i doubt it.

    • cityca

      That ‘nasty wall’, has reduced terror incidents by 90%. Oh, and it’s a wall for 5% of its length, where snipers used to shoot at motorists – the remainder of the security barrier is wire.

    • jeffersonian

      Yes blame that fence on the barbarian M*slims for their inability to act like sane, civillised people.

    • Michael Davison

      Yes, you can still get beach huts on the shores of Lake Kinneret (aka Sea of Galilee).

      As for the “nasty great wall”, it helped reduce suicide bombings in Jerusalem and environs by more than 80% during the second intifada. Of course, if you want to see dead Israelis, I guess the “security wall” (which is actually about 96% high-tech security fence and not wall), then I guess under that circumstance, you might consider it a “nasty great wall”.

      Is that your wish? If it is, maybe you would be more comfortable posting on the “Electronic Intifada”.

  • Todd Unctious

    Samaria? This is an ancient construct. There are only 1,100 Samaritans left in the World. Plus the horrible in breeding meas they are dieing out rapidly despite allowing Samaritan men to marry Jews.

  • cityca

    2015 was the first time in about 20 years we didn’t go to Israel. We go for the beach, the food, the history and the friends we’ve made over the years. Oh and the wine. Ms Applebaum is correct. In Zichron Yaakov, there are at least 3 wineries were you can taste and buy some of the best wine I’ve ever tasted. The security when flying out, is thorough, but in my experience, no more than that. It is at least sensible, which is more than can be said for some jobsworths at Luton airport.

    Already booked for May so we’ll celebrate a birthday in Netanya on the beach, drive down to friends at who live on a Moshav just north of the desert, and finally end up in Tel Aviv to watch the Independence day celebrations before flying home. For such a tiny place, and in spite of serious exploring, we still haven’t seen it all.

    • Mark

      May in Israel, happy memories….I’ll never forget the way that the solemnity of fallen soldiers day morphed into Yom Haatzmaut with the singing of Hatikva outside the dining hall of the kibbutz as the the sun went down over the Galillee and South Lebanon hills.

      Please give the place my love, next year for us I hope!

      Shalom, Mark.

  • Angus Prune

    Now Iran’s back on the scene and with a bit of effort the horrible Israel experiment will eventually become a forgotten footnote in history and the world can move on… with a sigh of relief!

    • Mow_the_Grass

      In ya dreams
      Iran represents a threat to many in the region – but as a dumb jockroach you would hardly be in a position to grasp that fact.
      A nuclear armed Iran would in fact pose a threat to your lil pinky@ss sitting in gorbaland
      btw – do they still do a nice deepfried mars bar dish in your better eateries?

      • Count Spencer

        A nuclear powered Iran will provide a good check and balance to the Israeli/Sunni expansionism in the region.

        • On the other hand…

          But Israel hasn’t even heard of WMDs, except other people’s.

  • Theodor_Worzel

    ‘WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF YOUR VISIT TO ISRAEL?’ Upon arriving in Tel Aviv we were stopped, as everyone is, and asked to explain ourselves… Ah, a connection to history, to tragedy, to heroism. WE WERE WAVED AHEAD.”

    Jerusalem Post, 13 July 2015

    Two American Jews held for two days at Ben-Gurion, denied entry to Israel

    “As soon as we arrived at the border control, the clerk took us to a sitting room…I waited there for a good hour, until a woman came out and said that we were being returned. When I asked why, she asked me ‘WHY ARE YOU HERE?’

    “Once we were detained, we were never given any reason other than one female agent screaming at me ‘Eretz Yisrael isn’t a country for ‘CUSHIM’ [CUSHIM is a derogatory Hebrew word for Blacks].
    http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Two-American-Jews-held-for-two-days-at-Ben-Gurion-denied-entry-to-Israel-408826

  • Theodor_Worzel

    “Upon arriving in Tel Aviv…”

    ARTHUR RUPPIN was one of the founders of the city of TEL AVIV. Many cities in Israel named streets after Ruppin, and the city of Haifa has a prize (the Arthur Ruppin Haifa Municipality Prize) in his name awarded for extraordinary works in thinking, philosophy and politics.

    Forward, 21 April 2014

    Israel’s Uncomfortable History of Racist Engineering

    BELIEVERS IN EUGENICS HELPED BIRTH JEWISH STATE

    A little noticed 2011 book by academic Etan Bloom revealed that the father of Israeli sociology and a leading Zionist of the British Mandate named ARTHUR RUPPIN, was a believer in eugenics.

    In 1919 he argued that the Jewish race should be “purified” and that it was “desirable that only the racially pure come to the land.” As head of the Palestine Office of the Zionist Executive (later the Jewish Agency for Israel), he PUT HIS PURITY SCHEMES INTO PRACTICE, arguing that Ethiopian Jews should not be permitted to immigrate, because “they have no blood connection,” and arguing that Yemenite Jews should be brought only for menial labor.

    RUPPIN and his fellow travelers were able to influence the Zionist movement, tragically in retrospect, to view non-Europeans as a different caste and to back up their arguments with outdated theories of eugenists. For instance, Chaim Sheba, who became director general of the Health Ministry in 1950, argued, according to a 2005 report that “a high concentration of those ill in body and soul would jeopardize the future of Jewish community in Israel. To support his argument, he used examples from genetic theories which purported to show national gene pools weakened through a lack of genetic vigilance.” Sheba was influential in temporarily preventing Cochin Jews from immigrating. The communist newspaper Davar asserted that a community “with numerous sick, decadent, unrestrained elements will not withstand the social and security test.” Haaretz writer Arieh Gledblum claimed in 1950 that North African Jews’ “primitivism is unsurpassed…. They have little talent for comprehending anything intellectual” and “lack any roots in Judaism.”
    http://forward.com/articles/196719/israel-s-uncomfortable-history-of-racist-enginee/#ixzz3JeFKjwXf

    RUPPIN ACADEMIC CENTER, ISRAEL

    We are here not only to equip students with standard educational content, rather to train a generation of MORALLY CONSCIENTIOUS LEADERS who have a social mission and are environmentally aware. The search for the roots of this MORAL MISSION leads to the man for whom this institution is named, DR. ARTHUR RUPPIN [LOL!!!], one of the founding father of Jewish agricultural settlement in the Land of Israel and a well known sociologist [and eugenicist].
    http://www.ruppin.ac.il/pages_e/1825.aspx

  • Theodor_Worzel

    “Israeli craft beer helps…So does Israeli wine, though one has to be careful.”

    HAARETZ, 08 December 2008

    When does wine become wine; does crushing of the grapes by a NON-JEW render the product “gentile” wine; what vessels are considered safe from IMPURE TOUCH; how can one protect the barrel from coming into contact with something that will disqualify the wine; does contact by a NON-JEW with the spigot of the barrel, or the container in which the grapes are crushed, have any bearing on its status; is supervision by a Jew required at the time the wine is transported; and if it is exported abroad, how can such supervision be assured?

    … halakha of gentile wine and the restrictions related to its consumption sparked hatred of the Jews, because the disqualified wine ended up being sold to non-Jews. They railed against the fact that Jews sold them a beverage deemed unacceptable for their own use.
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/halakhic-cup-overfloweth-1.259095

  • Malcolm Stevas

    Applebaum is a good writer, which is why I looked at this piece. Pity it’s been pounced on by the usual array of weirdos with oddball agendas, who make no useful comment on the substance. I found the bits about wine quite interesting.

    • Peter Simple

      Yes, any mention of Israel or “the Jews” does seem to bring the most peculiar people out of the woodwork. Rather a bore, really. I am drinking merlot at the moment: I have no idea if it is kosher but I am quite certain that it is haram.

  • Count Spencer

    It’s funny because when Israeli’s themselves holiday in the west they insist upon incredibly lax immigration procedures.

    • MC73

      Israel offers UK tourists visa-free entry and vice versa.

      Or are you suggesting Europe’s lax immigration policies are down to the machinations of the worldwide Jewish conspiracy that seems to exercise so many commenters here?

      • Theodor_Worzel

        “the machinations of the worldwide Jewish conspiracy”

        The Guardian, 28 November 2002

        “This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States)…this WORLDWIDE CONSPIRACY for the OVERTHROW OF CIVILISATION and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire.” – Winston Churchill, February 1920
        http://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2002/nov/28/features11.g21

        • Hamburger

          Please carry on, your comments are the funniest I have read for ages.

          • Theodor_Worzel

            The Independent, 30 January 2015

            In an article for the Illustrated Sunday Herald in February 1920, titled ‘Zionism versus Bolshevism’, he [Winston Churchill] wrote: “This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States)… this worldwide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilisation and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire.”
            http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/winston-churchill-from-accusations-of-anti-semitism-to-the-blunt-refusal-that-led-to-the-deaths-of-9999181.html

          • Michael Davison

            Anyone citing the Guardian or its clone, the Independent, with regard to Israel is bound to cause a laugh.

            Neither of those rags, fit only for wrapping garbage, could publish a good word for Israel if Israel were to cure cancer, solve global warming and find a way to end famine and poverty all around the world.

            Ignoring the fact that British government dishonesty and broken promises to ALL parties in the Middle East were part of the basis for all the ongoing conflicts today, along with the fact that W.S. Churchill was one of the government officials involved in those policies does nothing to support the credibility of either the newspapers OR the person who posted these quotes.

          • Theodor_Worzel

            New York Times, 23 March 2008

            “This movement among the Jews is not new,” Churchill said. It was a “WORLD-WIDE CONSPIRACY for the OVERTHROW OF CIVILISATION and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality.” He listed Marx, Trotsky, Béla Kun, Rosa Luxemburg, and Emma Goldman as some of the malefactors. The conspiracy had been, he said, the “mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century.”
            http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/23/books/chapters/first-chapter-human-smoke.html

            The Churchill Centre

            “This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this WORLDWIDE CONSPIRACY for the OVERTHROW OF CIVILIZATION and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing…” – Winston Churchill, February 1920
            http://www.winstonchurchill.org/support?catid=0&id=725

            Founded almost fifty years ago, The Churchill Centre is the world’s preeminent member organization dedicated to preserving the historic legacy of Sir Winston Churchill.

            “The Churchill Centre and its members around the world play an extraordinarily important role in preserving the historic legacy of my great-grandfather, Sir Winston. My family and I sincerely urge Churchillians everywhere to join us in supporting the Centre and participating in its many interesting activities.” – Randolph S. Churchill
            http://www.winstonchurchill.org/about/about-the-centre

          • Michael Davison

            Of course, you wilfully ignore the main part of my post:

            “Ignoring the fact that British government dishonesty and broken promises to ALL parties in the Middle East were part of the basis for all the ongoing conflicts today, along with the fact that W.S. Churchill was one of the government officials involved in those policies does nothing to support the credibility of either the newspapers OR the person who posted these quotes.”

            Winston Churchill had many faults, and one of them was his blindness, typical of British “diplomats” who found it appropriate to be pro-Arab during the Mandate period. I’ve read his VERY self-serving history of WW II… but one has to read a few other references to get at the truth.

            The number of promises and agreements, both implied and specific, to the people of the Middle East, whether Arabs, Jews, Druse, Kurds or any other group that were broken by the British governments between 1918 and 1948 are too numerous to count. Broken promises to India’s Muslims and Hindus have been the cause of the enmity between those two countries since before the partition of India… which is just what the British government wanted.

            Ignoring the British guilt in the present situation is as dishonest and hypocritical as pretending to deplore the present situation on the ground of the actions of the other participants.

            Britain was never an honest broker anywhere in the world… history proves that.

            Your quotes seem to be based on that perennial fraud, “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion”, also known as “The Lie That Wouldn’t Die”.
            Even Henry Ford, a confirmed anti-Semite, apologized and withdrew the copies he had printed when it was proven to him to be a Russian forgery. However, neo-N@zis tend to bring up veiled references as if it were the gospel truth.

            P.S.: Please don’t try to quote the NY Times– it’s become just as bad as the BBC for its anti-Israel bias, winning runner-up for the past 5 years running as “Dishonest Reporter of the Year” when it comes to reporting on Israel (the Beeb has won the prize every year for the past 8 years).

          • Theodor_Worzel

            “Your quotes seem to be based on that perennial fraud, “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion”…”

            They’re not my quotes.

          • Michael Davison

            And this is all you have to say? “They’re not my quotes”?

            Cherry-picking quotes that suits your purpose is all too easy with the Internet, especially when you choose sources with specific agendas.
            It’s obvious that you’re just as pro-Arab as the British politicians who bent over and let the Arabs screw them for decades just to keep the Arab oil flowing.

            It’s also highly dishonest to do so.

            However, if you’re so determined to be anti-Israel and Judeophobic, may I suggest you actively boycott any and all Israeli (and Jewish) developments, inventions, pharmaceuticals, surgical procedures, agricultural methods, computer hardware and software, etc.?

            Of course, your life expectancy and quality of life will drop considerably, but hey, what’s a shorter, less comfortable life when it comes to maintaining your principles. You’ll have to stop using any computer processor higher than a 486, no 3rd gen cell phone, none of the latest versions of MS Office or Windows (starting from WIN & and Office 2003) and any instant messenger, since they’re all based on Israeli inventions and development.

            Have fun spreading your hate without the Jew-invented products, and using only Arab-invented items. Good luck with that.

            Now consider what the Arabs have contributed to the world in comparison…

          • Theodor_Worzel

            Jewish Telegraphic Agency, 13 April 1931

            I was Prime Minister of this country, Mr. Lloyd George said, when the idea of the Jewish National Home took form as an act of State policy in the Balfour Declaration…

            By the terms of that document recognition was given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine, and the grounds for reconstituting their National Home in that country.

            I shall never forget, Mr. Lloyd George proceeded, how eleven years ago, almost to this week, there assembled in that beautiful town on the shores of the Western Mediterranean the leading Ministers of three great Powers…

            At that gathering you had Lord Balfour, the distinguished statesman whose name will for ever be linked in history with that policy, you had also there the REAL ORIGINATOR and inspirer of that policy, a man who possesses that rare combination of seer and statesman, which when they appear, make history. Israel was fortunate in possessing at the moment of its great opportunity, a patriot and a statesman capable of taking advantage of it for the benefit of his people. I need hardly say that I refer to DR. CHAIM WEIZMANN.
            http://www.jta.org/1931/04/13/archive/mr-lloyd-george-explains-jewish-national-home-policy-i-was-prime-minister-when-balfour-declaration#ixzz3Gel0zvlz

            CHURCHILL WHITE PAPER (1922)

            DRAFTED by the first high commissioner of Palestine, Sir HERBERT SAMUEL, the white paper (also called the Churchill memorandum) was issued IN THE NAME OF Colonial Secretary WINSTON CHURCHILL in June 1922.

            The Churchill statement reaffirmed British commitment to the Jewish national home.
            http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G2-3424600677.html
            http://www.britannica.com/biography/Herbert-Louis-Samuel-1st-Viscount-Samuel

            JWEEKLY, 15 January 1999

            Balfour Declaration author [Leopold Amery] was a secret Jew, says [Jewish] prof

            According to Rubinstein’s research, Amery’s mother was born to Jewish parents in 1841 and was named Elisabeth Joanna Saphir. The family lived in Pest, which later became part of Budapest and contained the city’s first Jewish quarter.

            Rubinstein adds that Amery changed his middle name from Moritz to Maurice in an attempt to disguise its origins.
            http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/9929/balfour-declaration-author-was-a-secret-jew-says-prof/

          • Theodor_Worzel

            THE TIMES OF ISRAEL, 20 February 2012

            [Avraham Stern] advocated for a deal with N*ZI GERMANY… arguing that the Jews in the land of Israel…make a pact with the enemies of their enemies, the N*zis, believing that he could oust the British from Palestine and help the N*zis rid Europe of its Jewish presence by moving them to the Hebrew state.
            http://www.timesofisrael.com/a-rebel-remembered/

            Stern Gang

            Zionist extremist organization in Palestine, founded in 1940 by Avraham Stern (1907–42), http://www.britannica.com/topic/Stern-Gang

            * Spectator Blogs pre-moderate comments that contain a certain word.

          • Theodor_Worzel

            HAARETZ, 08 February 2015

            In these very moments, the PROTOCOLS are being rewritten. Rich Jews are writing them in their own handwriting. They, in their wealth, are confirming with their own signatures what anti-Semites used to slander them with in days gone by: We, the elders of Zion, pull the strings of Congress, and the congressmen are nothing but marionettes who do our will. If they don’t understand our words, they’ll understand our threats. And if in the past, we ran the show from behind the scenes, now we’re doing it openly, from center stage. And if you forget our donations, the wellspring will run dry.
            http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:7lwxaOs4XTcJ:www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.641334+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

          • Theodor_Worzel

            “The Lie That Wouldn’t Die”

            In March 1981 the New York Times stated that as many as THREE MILLION Jews died at AUSCHWITZ and that, in all, SIX MILLION Jews died during the Holocaust.

            New York Times, 11 March 1981

            …as many as THREE MILLION Jews died at AUSCHWITZ… in all, SIX MILLION people were murdered in a systematic campaign of genocide against Jews.

            http://www.nytimes.com/1981/03/11/us/auschwitz-survivor-sues-for-prize-for-proving-germans-gassed-jews.html

            Eleven years after stating that THREE MILLION Jews died at AUSCHWITZ”, the New York Times reported, on 17 June 1992, that the AUSCHWITZ death toll had been REVISED DOWNWARDS from FOUR MILLION to 1.5 million.

            New York Times, 17 June 1992

            It was previously thought that FOUR MILLION [THREE MILLION of which were Jews] died at the camps [AUSCHWITZ]. More recent research has revealed the figure to be closer to 1.5 million.

            While thousands of non-Jews were among the estimated 1.5 million killed at Auschwitz, the victims were PREDOMINANTLY JEWISH.

            http://www.nytimes.com/1992/06/17/world/poland-agrees-to-change-auschwitz-tablets.html

            Yet 17 years after reporting that the Auschwitz death toll had been REVISED DOWNWARDS, the New York Times is still claiming that SIX MILLION Jews died during the Holocaust.

            New York Times, 28 January 2009

            About SIX MILLION Jews were systematically MURDERED by the Nazis and their collaborators during World War II.

            http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/28/world/europe/28iht-pope.4.19756219.html?_r=0

            NOTE: It has always been reported that the victims at Auschwitz were PREDOMINANTLY JEWISH. The victims were PREDOMINANTLY JEWISH when it was thought that FOUR MILLION people had died at Auschwitz. These PREDOMINANTLY JEWISH victims would have been included in overall figure of SIX MILLION.

          • Michael Davison

            The NY Times has become the US counterpart of The Guardian and The Independent, regularly distorting facts and omitting critical information in its articles.

            “The Churchill Centre is the world’s preeminent member organization dedicated to preserving the historic legacy of Sir Winston Churchill.”

            It doesn’t take much imagination to understand that such an organization dedicated to “preserving the historic legacy” of any person will make it sound as if that person has the intelligence of Leonardo da Vinci, the patience of Job and the goodness of a saint.

            Such an organization can’t accept that their patron saint might have been wrong about anything, so it would be hard for even the most twisted mind to believe that they Churchill Centre could be anything BUT distorted in his favor.

            Churchill was one of the British politicians who saw fit to promise Arabs whatever they wanted, as long as the oil kept flowing.

          • haark

            Ah yes, that dreadful anti-Semite WSC. So loathed by Israel that not only the President of Israel attended his funeral, but so did the PM David Ben-Gurion. The Knesset suspended its sitting.
            See ‘Churchill and the Jews’ by the late Martin Gilbert-himself a Jew.

          • Theodor_Worzel

            The Spectator, 28 December 2002

            In March 1938, a week before his £18,000 debts to his stockbrokers Vickers da Costa were about to force him [Winston Churchill] to sell his country house, Chartwell, for £20,000, an Anglo-South African [Jewish] businessman called Sir Henry Strakosch, the chairman of Union Corporation Ltd, had TAKEN ON HIS DEBTS and guaranteed all his investments against further losses for the next three years.

            The Moravian-born Strakosch’s cheque to Vickers of £18,162/1/10 – about £450,000 in today’s money – would have taken some explaining to the Committee on Standards and Privileges, along with his letter (quoted in Churchill’s official biography by Sir Martin Gilbert) saying, ‘My dear Winston, As agreed between us I shall carry this position for three years, you giving me full discretion to sell or vary the holdings at any time, but on the understanding that you incur no further liability.’ On receipt of the letter, Churchill promptly took Chartwell off the market, even though the Times had already announced it was up for sale.
            https://spectator.com.au/features/10699/the-secret-of-churchills-gold/

          • Karl_SkidMarx

            For a fee of £5,000 – worth £125,000 today and equivalent to the annual salary of a Cabinet minister – CHURCHILL was hired by ROYAL DUTCH SHELL* and BURMAH OIL… In a twist that would have had present-day hacks salivating, it was Churchill himself who, ten years earlier as First Lord of the Admiralty, had suggested that the government go into the Persian oil business, as a way of protecting naval oil supplies during the great change from coal-fired ships to oil.

            https://spectator.com.au/features/10699/the-secret-of-churchills-gold/

            * Sir Robert Waley Cohen, KBE (8 September 1877 – 27 November 1952) was a British industrialist and prominent leader of Anglo-Jewry. He joined the Shell Company, 1901 and negotiated its merger with the Royal Dutch Oil Company, 1906. He was Petroleum Adviser to the War Office during World War I.

            http://www.jta.org/1953/03/03/archive/sir-robert-waley-cohen-leaves-estate-of-162000-to-family

            http://www-archives.chu.cam.ac.uk/perl/node?a=a;reference=CHAR%202%2F128

            http://thepeerage.com/p12596.htm#i125959

            The Focus

            Churchill was financed by a slush fund emanating from a secret pressure group known as the Focus.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbO3_vHpehM

            Churchill College Cambridge archives

            The Focus, Sir Robert Waley Cohen, Winston Churchill

            Correspondents include: A H Richards, [Secretary, Focus in Defence of Freedom and Peace] on meetings of the Focus (earlier the Freedom and Peace Union, and Peace with Freedom Movement), extending the focus group to the United States, AVOIDING THE APPEARANCE of British propaganda and SOLELY JEWISH BACKING…

            http://www-archives.chu.cam.ac.uk/perl/node?a=a;reference=CHAR%202%2F283

        • Beauchard

          Oh dear, you cannot even cut and paste right. The Churchill quote is from his article, “Zionism versus Bolshevism, a struggle for the soul of the Jewish people” (1920).
          He begins the article with: “Some people like Jews and some do not; but no thoughtful man can doubt the fact that they are beyond all question the most formidable and the most remarkable race which has ever
          appeared in the world.”
          Furthermore: “In a people of peculiar genius like the Jews, contrasts are more vivid, the extremes are more widely separated, the resulting consequences are more decisive.”
          He then proceeds to attack the “International Jews” for their prominent role in Bolshevism. Though he does blame this on anti-Semitism in Russia.
          Eventually he gets round to Zionism, the whole point of the article. He sees Zionism as an antidote for the ideas of the International Jews. “The struggle which is now beginning between the Zionist and Bolshevik
          Jews is little less than a struggle for the soul of the Jewish people.”
          Churchill ends with a rousing endorsement of Zionism: “…building up with the utmost possible rapidity a Jewish national centre in Palestine which may become not only a refuge to the oppressed from the unhappy lands of Central Europe, but which will also be a symbol of Jewish unity and the temple
          of Jewish glory, a task is presented on which many blessings rest.”
          Bigots of all religions and political persuasions are similar. They just have different enemies.
          Not the brightest people either. Quoting from a Churchill article in support of Zionism to attack Zionism. LOL.

          • Theodor_Worzel

            “Oh dear, you cannot even cut and paste right.”

            I suggest you READ the article before commenting.

            “Not the brightest people either. Quoting from a Churchill article in support of Zionism to attack Zionism. LOL.”

            Can you point to the part in my post attacking Zionism?

            Beauchard – You should read the comments properly before commenting. I also suggest you click on the links before commenting. This will save you from making a complete fool of yourself.

  • John P Hughes

    MC73 below explains that UK citizens have visa-free access to Israel and Israelis have visa-free access to Britain. There is no check on anyone with a valid passport of the UK or other Western European countries who books a flight to Israel until they land at Ben-Gurion Airport. So it is not surprising that the entry checks are tight there. Were there to be visas, boring and costly visits to the Israeli consulate in London would be needed before you could even book a ticket. In the era of low-cost airlines one wants to book at the best price and go.
    Once this is clear, the tiresome interrogation on arrival is more understandable. It seems best to have details of where you will be visiting, whom you know, what your interests are (Historic buildings, landscape, railways, kibbutzim), whether you have visited before, and if possible one or two names that can be checked in the phone book so an Israeli called up can say, ‘Yes, I know them and they are coming to see me’.. As booking hotels on-line is easy now, presenting the print-out of booking confirmations is also sensible. You don’t have to say you want to go along the separation fence or look into war-torn Syria from the safety of Israeli Mount Hermon – you just do that when you are in the country.

  • Cobbett

    I spent a Winter in Israel….rain,snow and cold.

  • A.Alexander

    Brits in general have different views on Jews,but we may say definitly: they like Jewish anti-semites.

  • knocke

    Jerusalem: “the birthplace of *three* great religions”???
    Where did she get that? Mecca is not even in Israel. Have you no copy-editors at The Spectator?

    • Bonkim

      The three religions all stem from the same Book and the same God – Elohim, Allah or Jehovah.

      • knocke

        Well, yes. But only the two ancient ones have a link to Jerusalem. The third is much later and originated in Arabia, not Israel.

        • Bonkim

          There was no Israel or Arabia at the time these religions started – merely various warring tribes wandering about in various Kingdoms and Empires and constantly changing hands. There is much in common between the people of the Arabian Peninsula and modern day Israel/Palestine, and also much conversions, and intermixing/evolution of ethnicities and cultures.

          • knocke

            Convince a Roman emperor of that concept of geography! Anyway, you mean well. And seem ignorant of what they taught in Mecca concerning Jews and Christians. Very funny.

          • Bonkim

            All religions believed their God is better and stronger than all others. To me all religions are bunk.

            Talking of history religions spread mainly by conquest and conversion of the King, Emperor or Noblemen. Most people were illiterate until recent centuries and just followed their Leaders. Scolarly discourse on Theology meant little to most – and still no different – you either believe or you don’t.

            No different in Christianity. You were out if you were not a believer and many Bishops were got rid off by local tribes in Europe, The Roman Empire became the Holy Roman Empire by conversion, the Pope being the present Emperor of a worldwide Empire – mostly people conned, or forced into converting into the Catholic faith and deviants being excommunicated or removed violently.

            The Kettle calling the Pot Black does not solve the problem.

          • knocke

            OK for “religions”. Another matter is religious beliefs. But those waters are too deep. Good luck!

          • Bonkim

            All religions believed their God is better and stronger than all others. To me all religions are bunk.

            Talking of history religions spread mainly by conquest and conversion of the King, Emperor or Noblemen. Most people were illiterate until recent centuries and just followed their Leaders. Scolarly discourse on Theology meant little to most – and still no different – you either believe or you don’t.

            No different in Christianity. You were out if you were not a believer and many Bishops were got rid off by local tribes in Europe, The Roman Empire became the Holy Roman Empire by conversion, the Pope being the present Emperor of a worldwide Empire – mostly people conned, or forced into converting into the Catholic faith and deviants being excommunicated or removed violently.

            The Kettle calling the Pot Black does not solve the problem.

  • hello little piggy

    shes an idiot!

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