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Porn-agains: meet the middle-aged men - and women - warped by internet porn

2 August 2014

9:00 AM

2 August 2014

9:00 AM

I met a nice, middle-aged, middle-class mother at a dinner party who told me  that she was very worried about the effects of internet porn on adolescent males. What, she wondered, was all this internet porn doing to the young? Did we really want a generation of teenage boys whose idea of emotional intimacy was anal sex?

Weeks later we ended up in bed and it left me wondering: what is all that internet porn doing to nice, middle-aged mums you meet at dinner parties? Do we really want a generation of forty/fifty-something women whose idea of emotional intimacy is anal sex?

Society’s anxiety about internet porn has been so focused on how it affects the young that its impact on the older generation has gone largely unnoticed. Over the past few years I’ve noticed the steady pornification of a section of the adult metropolitan middle class.

Porn’s influence has seeped into the British bedroom. The good news is that here’s a lot more variety on offer; the bad news is that some of it’s pretty scary stuff. (You try uttering sweet nothings wearing a leather ‘gimp’ mask with wooden ball strapped inside your mouth.) Between the sheets, educated middle-class women now talk and act like working-class porn starlets. And middle-class, middle-aged men have a new set of erotic expectations based on what they’ve seen in porn videos. Sorry kids, but Mummy and Daddy have become ‘Porn-Agains’.

You can hear it in the way they talk. When in 1907 Bloomsbury’s Lytton Strachey uttered the word ‘semen’ in mixed company, Virginia Woolf wrote that British life would never be the same again because ‘all barriers of reticence and reserve’ had broken down. But Woolf would have been shocked to hear how at dinner parties porn talk has filtered into polite society. What Keynes called the educated bourgeoisie now discuss blowjobs, anal sex and penis size as if they were talking about the weather. And no one bats an eye, blushes or complains for fear of being labelled a prude or dismissed as judgmental.

Out on the dating scene I have encountered the Porn-Again Mum in action. An Oxbridge graduate, she grew up on Sex and the City and in her thirties was a Yummy Mummy. Now in her late forties she’s proud to be considered a Milf. She has two lovely kids, a well-paid career, an ex-husband or two, a collection of ‘erotica’ — a term she prefers to porn, which is ‘too tacky’. She will tell you that Fifty Shades of Grey is ‘total rubbish’ — but read all three volumes and ‘loved it!’ Two drinks later you will know her entire sexual history. Three drinks and you’re back at her place, trussed up like a turkey and trying to smile for the camera.


And men are no better. I have heard dads discuss their worries about their daughters growing up in a world of internet porn. They begin the evening with showing you pictures of their cute kids; they end it with pictures of their favourite porn stars.

If you want to see the effect of pornography on the older generation, consider the rise of the middle-aged Brazilian wax — a fad popularised by porn. I’d assumed that this was something that only teenagers and young women did: now it’s practised by women old enough to be their mums — in fact, who are their mums. And they don’t go for just a trim or a tidy-up, but total pubic annihilation.

Like the moment when President Kennedy was shot, I can remember exactly where I was the first time I saw the shaved pudenda of a woman over 40. This woman had the face of Ava Gardner, the cleavage of the young Elizabeth Taylor — and the sex organ of Shirley Temple. Not a hair in sight.

‘Oh my God!’ I cried and leapt back in horror.

‘What’s the matter?’ she asked.

‘You’re… bald!’

OK, I concede it’s not a great way to start a romance, but what could I say? That was about six years ago — now it’s the norm.  It’s odd that at a time when we have become more anxious about child sex, middle-aged women — even ones who have children — are setting out to make their sex organs look like those of children. What sort of man finds that sexy? Answer: paedophiles.

Just for the record I’m anti-waxing for all women of whatever age, culture, colour or religious creed. And yes, it’s a woman’s right to choose — and a man’s right to gag. And judging by what I see in the gym, older straight men are shaving too. For that we have gay porn to thank. Thanks guys.

Why are these women doing it? I asked a friend in her late forties — a new convert to pubic annihilation — who after 15 years of marriage found herself back on the dating scene. She’d asked a long-term male friend what was the first thing she should do now that she was single. ‘Get a Brazilian wax and be prepared for anal sex,’ he told her.

His answer suggests that, like teenage girls, middle-aged women are under pressure to conform to porn’s idea of female perfection. But where is this pressure coming from? Porn-consuming husbands or lovers? Or could it be that it’s a way for older women to feel young, fashionable and a touch daring? In the 1920s when a women wanted to flaunt her modernity she took to smoking in public or bobbed her hair; today she watches pornography and removes her pubes.

Each to his own. But I can’t help feeling a kind of nostalgia for the old days before older people discovered internet porn. I miss the pubic bush. I miss middle-class reserve and reticence. Where have all the Nice Girls and Gentleman gone? I don’t want to go to a dinner party and hear jokes about anal sex. I want the bourgeoisie to be bourgeois — repressed, hypocritical, moralistic — and not all tolerant and transgressive.

It’s said by professional trend-watchers that whenever older people take up a practice that was once the prerogative of the young, it goes out of fashion and looses its appeal and audience. There is some evidence that the Brazilian wax is on the wane — at least with the young. Now that mum and dad are all porny too, it can’t be long before the young return to romance and we won’t have to worry about them any more. Mum and dad, however, are another matter.

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  • God you’re gauche, Cosmopolitan. But you do show one thing: one tiny corner of why I’m still married. My husband ain’t sexy but he’s sane, and maybe the two go together.

    As for your fondness for the bush: it’s ghastly. My late f-in-law was a not very good painter (who is? apart from Caravaggio and I mostly don’t even like his subjects — or Stubbs, and sometimes I wish he painted women instead of horses), and why my m-on-law put up with strange women and their HUGE BLACK PUBES on her bedroom wall, I’ll never know. I call it ‘the dirt patch’. I don’t even like the feel of it, and I am not especially hairy (women’s showers have in the past caused my eyes to pop out so I know how lucky I am).

    Pornography is Satan and I say that as a lifelong atheist. It takes the prurience of the soul that makes sex possible and raises it to the raison d’etre of human connection. Which is like taking the relief at having got the morning’s poo over with (apparently a big deal to some people: but I’m an athlete and dancer, say no more) and saying that this is what makes life worthwhile. No, it isn’t. The disgrace to my grace is what I suffer and put up with so as to enjoy my real humanity. Watching other people have sex-for-show for your money is just about as degrading as it gets — for everybody.

    • Colonel Mustard

      Far too much information…

      • Yes but at least I’m interesting. And serious.

        • Colonel Mustard

          And narcissistic…

          • Wessex Man

            nothing wrong with that Colonel.

          • Damaris Tighe

            as long as you prefer playing with yourself to playing with a partner.

          • Oi! Some people don’t prefer, but are dealt a hand. Grow up.

          • Hanzo

            That’s “Oy!”. Just sayin’.

          • Olive oil?

          • jmg

            Olive OYLE. Just sayin’.

          • Damaris Tighe

            So you’re going to start the W*nk*ers Liberation Front are you?

          • I didn’t say anything about winking.

          • Damaris Tighe

            Reminds me of the electronics company called Wang that in the 1980s had to scrap its new slogan: Wang Cares.

          • :^[]

          • Wessex Man

            Well I’ll leave that to you, you must be an expert!

          • Hanzo

            Yeah, no doubt. Stay classy, shenandoah.

          • I am always the diamond, H. My motives are pure.

          • Hanzo

            Well, I did like about 90% of your post. I guess the presentation got to me.

          • Hey baby, that’s why they pay me the big bucks ; )

          • Not in the least. I share and want to be shared with. I like your comments and it’s too bad if you don’t like mine, but I fail to see where you detect the ‘narcissism’ in what I say, even if you’d rather I didn’t.

        • Jackthesmilingblack

          Try making an original contribution rather than backbiting and criticism.

          • Earth to Jackthesmirkinghack: It’s because I have a strong personality that I’m a magnet. Even to you. This is called ‘narcissism’, as people with strong personalities are resented, apparently. (What does Colonel Mustard think I should sound like? A weather girl?)

          • Kitty MLB

            I dont know why the Colonel was so rude to you,
            I go away for a while and he’s had a personality
            change.You are not what he said, your the Monet of the blogosphere..here to add colour.
            And I am sure if you were a weather girl you’d
            make it interesting.

            Also noticed the amount of cringeworthy characters responding to this thread…yuk!

          • What a charming thing to say! Thank you very much, Kitty.

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            Nah, you’re just a childish asshole. And I say this with all due respect.

          • George Smiley

            Not when it means trolling, such as yours, patently.

    • Barb Searle

      Lol – I agree… I think our world is sex-obsessed, sex, power and money, that’s all that is between most people’s ears and porn is the invisible drug. Chastity, modesty and celibasy should be the new ‘black’ and it’s time for a global shift in who we are x

    • Hibernia86

      “Watching other people have sex-for-show for your money is just about as degrading as it gets”

      If we as a society see sex as degrading, then society is very warped.

      • authentic8

        There is a rather large difference between having sex and watching other people have sex for your money. This is a point completely lost on many porn apologists.

        • Hibernia86

          And why should either be a problem? Again you are treating sex as if it is an evil thing that must be hidden. If consenting adults are okay with other people watching (often because they are getting paid) then why should we be opposed to that? Sexually should be able to be in the media just as much as any other pleasurable thing.

          • authentic8

            Your second sentence makes the same category mistake that my comment was addressing: Someone who thinks watching other people have sex is disgusting does not necessarily think sex is evil/disgusting.

            Your following question is another issue. I’m not going to try and answer it here as it was not my point. Obviously people disagree on what is and what is repulsive to them.

            Sexuality being in the media is one thing, porn being broadcast in the media as any other form of entertainment is another. It is not clear to which you are referring. However, you or other people feel about the latter, the fact remains, not everyone feels the same way about it as you do, nor thinks of sex as just another pleasurable thing. There is no *should* about this – most people’s tastes and opinions about sex in the media clearly differ to yours so that is and will be reflected in the media.

          • Hibernia86

            I guess the proper response to that is that if someone doesn’t like porn then they shouldn’t watch it and let every one else make their own choice rather than demonizing it.

          • No: that’s like saying that burgling homes is a matter of taste and if others don’t like it, that’s their business. As a society we DO care and SHOULD care about what passes for ‘entertainment’ in our midst. You would approve of dog-fighting? Cock-fighting? Bull-baiting? Use your brains, man.

          • Ian Walker

            The obvious response to both the child porn and the crimes that you list is that there is clearly a victim who has had no competent consent to the action.

            Almost all pornography actors are adults who enjoy their jobs (and see it that way). To reverse your argument, should we ban football and rubgy games because they involve consenting adults indulging in physical activity for paying spectators?

          • You’re looking at this entirely as transactional, rather than as a question of character. To me it’s about judgement, character, the desire for the high (even within the primitive).

          • Hibernia86

            Burgling homes hurts people. Dog-fighting, cock-fighting, and bull-baiting hurts animals. Porn does not hurt anyone. It is simply naked people having sex. Again, if naked people having sex is viewed as a negative in society, perhaps it is society that is wrong. Sexuality is part of life. If you stop viewing people negatively based on the fact that they are sexually active in the media, then it no longer becomes a problem. It is only when people come to accept sexuality as natural that people stop demonizing porn.

          • I disagree, profoundly. If you think watching prostitutes (or anyone) having sex is dandy entertainment, there’s something wrong with you. (Porn people prostitute themselves with a camera, but they’re still prostitutes.) Sex is a private activity and that is the only dignity it has.

          • Hibernia86

            Sex does not have to be a private activity. If the person watching wants to watch and the people having sex are okay with it (perhaps because they are getting paid) then what is the problem? It seems that you have this belief that sex has to be hidden and you don’t have a logical reason why. Sex has dignity in and of itself. It doesn’t need to be hidden to have dignity. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean you should try to stop others from enjoying it. Sex is literally orgasmic. Of course it is going to be exciting to watch. If you don’t like it, then you are just missing out.

          • No, I think I’m civilized and you’re a savage. Sorry if that’s not ‘logical’ enough for you. The fact that you don’t feel intensely awkward watching other people exposing themselves in that fashion says volumes about you. (I’m sure you could get your heart-rate up by watching a murder, but that wouldn’t make it decent, would it?) As for their getting paid, it says a lot about them too, and I stick by the prostitution label. There are lots of jobs that I wouldn’t do for any money, but they are respectable jobs and one could take pride in one’s work.

            I’m not trying to stop anyone and I don’t have the power to do so anyway. I just find the attraction that you and others like you feel to be a) incomprehensible and b) repulsive. I also think it’s your prurience that needs defending, not my prudery (or what passes for prudery in our prurient age). I also think it is better for sensitive people to avoid what can only be corrupting, and to realize that ‘intimacy’ means a couple not a crowd.

          • Hibernia86

            There is nothing logical about your statement at all. Why treat public sexuality as savage? Why do you have to hide sexuality? It is enjoyable to see beautiful people naked and it is even more enjoyable to see them have sex. Most every man would agree with this. Is the problem that you are a woman? Is that why you don’t understand? Maybe you lack the ability to enjoy porn and thus are bitter about something you can’t comprehend. But I would hope that most people would objectively understand that humans are naturally attracted to beautiful people and that sexuality is arousing.

            To answer you other question about murder, I actually do enjoy watching dramas on TV that involve battle or fighting and sometimes death. The vast majority of people enjoy exciting movies with beautiful people in them. If you don’t then you are very much in the minority.

          • Guest

            You’re a delusional idiot and you’d make most women’s skin crawl.

          • Hibernia86

            First, throwing an insult is childish. Second, I think you are wrong about women (I’ve seen polls saying that 30% of women enjoy porn). And thirdly, even if you were right, then that doesn’t make what I said wrong. It just means that there are a larger number of anti-porn people who are prudish.

          • Peter_qld

            About 25 yrs ago, my mother-in-law watched a “soft” porn movie once and after 45 minutes, got up and left having said “My God! I just don’t know what to do with my hands!”. At the time she was 58 and married. Point being, people of all ages with all types of upbringings who sit and watch porn, can get effected. Some to the point where they get turned on, others who shrug, others who want to try what they see for themselves and others who immediately want to enforce their anti-porn views on those around them and think it is all disgusting. Each to his own I say. (AND keep kids out of it.) Although I must admit, I suspect that those who think it’s disgusting are usually limited in their repertoire and imagination. Why? Simply because they think it is disgusting to think about as well. Less thinking, less imagination I would have thought.

          • Goes to show what you know then. And you need to work on your imagination, as well.

          • Peter_qld

            Goes to show what I know? I need to work on my imagination? You don;t know anything about me! So would you arrive at conclusions like that? Or is it a case of anyone who thinks it may be OK to watch porn (which I never said either way), MUST of course fall into a particular box which implies certain lack? I’d be interested to hear your explanation.

          • Cain Abel

            “says volumes about you”

            99% of people who write “says volumes” are idiots.

          • Cain Abel

            “No, I think I’m civilized and you’re a savage. Sorry if that’s not ‘logical’ enough for you. ”

            No, you are a (castrated) fascist.

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            To muddy the waters even more, there are some “adult actresses” that actually own the film production company. Which means they employ the film crew and other actors. Which means they are paying men to have sex with them. Nice work if you can get it. And you can …

          • Roger Hudson

            If porn was just films of people making love there would be no problem. in fact most porn is about domination, degradation and exploitation.

          • Hibernia86

            Unless you are talking about BDSM, you are wrong. (And even BDSM is consensual). Porn can have wild sex in it, but that does not make it exploitation.

          • Ian Walker

            You sound like you’ve done some extensive research. I hope you deleted your internet history afterwards…

          • Actually my potential (not actual, as it turned out) mother-in-law did ‘inform’ herself with her church group. Unwilling to be told that she didn’t know what she was talking about in opposing pornography, she sat for a film. And then threw up in the bathroom.

          • girondas2

            Good grief. What did you let her watch?

          • I don’t know, the poor dear. But she would be able to counter that chap who’s been telling us there’s nothing shady about it, nothing gross or coarse or seedy, that it’s simply part of life’s rich pattern and we’re all god’s children etc. She wouldn’t have any of that nonsense!

          • girondas2

            Now you will like this – I absolutely promise you will.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSPG2H41kEU

          • So sweet. My mum had a bichon when I was a teenager. Bath-time was the funniest thing I ever saw.

          • girondas2

            “Almost”
            So what was the funniest thing that you ever did see?
            I hope it wasn’t a man.

          • Japanese — I presume — tourists in the Canadian wilderness, with cameras hanging round their necks, trying to dock their canoes. We had a semi-aerial view from the glass lodge above, and my face was wet with tears of laughter watching them.

          • girondas2

            You’re not quite as kind as you pretend to be are you?

          • Ineptitude is usually annoying but on rare occasions, it’s hilarious. Thinking of that episode — at least two decades ago — still makes me laugh. And I wasn’t being unkind. In fact, part of the humour lay in the fact that these people were trying so hard, were out of their depth and their usual environment, but were giving it the old school try. The main problem they had was that they didn’t know how to use their paddles very well. I really lost it when one of them started paddling the air.

          • girondas2

            I accept your explanation and blow you a kiss from across the sea

          • Kitty MLB

            How cute and in the middle of the night especially.The film, Gone With the Wind seems
            somehow appropriate.And I must disappear off
            for a Brief Encounter…with

          • girondas2

            It was cute wasn’t it?
            I pride myself on the occasional cute. – it keeps girls on their toes I find.

          • Kitty MLB

            Oh and modestly very attractive. ‘It keeps girls
            on their toes’ now I thought you were short
            like Mr Speaker in the HOC.
            But surely not like the Dutch who are the tallest
            people in the world (and beautiful) the average
            male is 6ft 10 so when a small ( 5ft 5 ) female
            like I lived there it was like living in the land of
            the giants.Can’t imagine any of them in our
            cottage with all the low beams…but my
            poor husband always has a sore head, he’s
            a tall broadchested chap. Always have ice
            in the freezer for heads and G&T’s.

          • girondas2

            ‘It keeps girls on their toes’

            How else can they reach me Kitty?

          • Kitty MLB

            ‘How else can the reach me’
            Why would they want to? Maybe the Colonel
            can help you understand women.The other day
            he said, he’d rather be a humble plain russet-
            coated captain then anything else-I thought
            him sweet. You’d be a red-coated general
            on a horse as black as the devil expecting women to swoon. I’d hope you’d fall off your
            horse and find that highly amusing.

            A couple more things I shall say on this old
            thread, wouldn’t want anyone else to think me
            less then my usual charming self But you need reforming
            by Christmas or you’ll find your head stuffed
            inside The Spectator goose,
            and the reason why your The Spectator Heathcliff is that moors are perilous..remember to stay on your
            toes.

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            You might not be so hot using the Tokyo Subway or negotiating Shinjuku Station.

          • No, but I wouldn’t waggle my foot in the air, either. Anyway, no one’s trying to ridicule them. It was just hysterically funny. You’d have to have been a corpse not to laugh.

            Anyway, that reminds me of the third funniest thing I saw by description of my boyfriend, the eyewitness — and that WAS in a subway station. It involved an Indian who didn’t know the system. That’s a good party joke, also.

          • c_bell

            Tell us the Subway story…

          • It’s a bit compromised without the visuals and the accent, but here goes. Queue of people waiting to pay their fare to get through the turnstyle. Recent immigrant (one supposes) is having a dialogue of sorts with the person behind the glass: he says loudly ‘I want to go to Eglinton’. But he seems to have a ticket already. So the kiosk person says ‘in there’ and points downward vigorously at the ticket box where the tickets go. The Indian shakes his head uncomprehendingly. The kiosk operator points even more vigorously downwards. The Indian finally bends over the fare box and booms into it: ‘I WANT TO GO TO EGLINTON’.

          • girondas2

            Well fair enough, but throwing up is just flamboyant.

          • Yes, I thought that when my brother dumped his girlfriend and she reacted in the same way. Some people have weak stomachs, I guess. I’m pretty sensitive myself, but I’m more likely to get cross and cry.

          • Ian Walker

            You do realise that that scenario is covered by Rule 34, right?

          • Peter_qld

            Guess my M_In_L had a stronger stomach. Or maybe it was just the movie content was different. Or perhaps one was curious and one wasn’t. Who knows …. but Shenandoah probably will.

          • Whatever

            He doesn’t have any

          • Fergus Pickering

            Does that work for child porn, and if not, why not?

          • Hibernia86

            Child porn is not consenting adults.

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            And when/where exactly does child porn end and adult porn begin?

          • Peter_qld

            Ummmm …. when one becomes an adult perhaps? And prior to that it’s a no go?

          • authentic8

            You can make your choice now. Porn is available on the Internet (in abundance) and cable subscription. This whole discussion was based on your notion that porn should be broadcast in the media without restriction. My response was that the majority do not want that – and so that is reflected in what broadcasters broadcast. Saying that people should not demonize it is basically saying people should not express their opinions about it – many people see porn as “demonic” (i.e. harmful) and will say so. It’s not up to anyone to tell them not to say that, as much as it is not up to me to tell you you can’t watch porn. You have your choice to watch it, people have their rights to express their negative opinions about it, viewers have the right to say they don’t want it broadcast into their homes, and broadcasters have the right to choose not to broadcast it because they don’t want to alienate their customers. The status quo seems to exist because it is the way that keeps the maximum amount of people happy. I don’t see any reason to mess with it.

            P.S. Late response, I know.

          • Hibernia86

            That’s okay, I love to debate so the number of people responding to me is often more than I have time to get back to, but sometimes I want to go back to find old debates to respond to. The problem is that if you wait more than a few days, most people will stop caring about the debate even when you respond which I think is sad.

            I’m fine with people saying that they don’t want to watch porn themselves. I wouldn’t want to make them do it if they don’t want to. But the problem I have is when people say that it is bad for everyone or that they want to limit it. In Europe, which doesn’t have the First Amendment that the US does, groups are trying to ban certain types or porn or make porn harder to access. That’s what I have a problem with.

            People are free to say that they think porn is bad but I’m free to say why they are wrong and fight them politically if necessary. Of course people are too embarrassed to organize a pro-porn political group, but I guarantee that any politician that tries to ban it will suddenly find their popularity dropping and their voters deserting them. Still it can be a hard fought battle.

            I understand that people want to limit children watching porn, but I think that having porn on different TV channels that you can block or different internet sites allows parents to shelter their children while still allowing free access for everyone else.

          • Well said, A.

          • berosos_bubos

            It is the watchers that are being degraded. Is sex any worse with the lights off ? No because it’s about touch.

          • Hibernia86

            Sexuality is also very much about vision which is why people enjoy seeing naked attractive people. So watching sex doesn’t “degrade” the person. It just means they enjoy the visual stimuli of sexuality. I think that society’s hatred of sexuality still stems from Victorian Fundamentalism.

      • Missing the point. As all porn watchers do.

        • Hibernia86

          I’m not sure you have a logical point.

          • Logic has nothing to do with this, either way. It’s about human aspiration. Humans aspiring to passion and romance on their own terms would find voyeurism abhorrent. As I do.

          • Hibernia86

            Those things are not mutually exclusive. You can want to get married one day and yet still enjoy watching porn now. Romance is good but so is porn. You shouldn’t have to limit yourself sexually if you aren’t in a relationship. There is no reason why you can’t enjoy both at different times in your life (or even at the same time if your girlfriend is open minded enough to watch porn with you which some couples do)

          • Talking at cross-purposes. You like the smell of napalm in the morning. I can neither ‘dig’ nor approve.

          • What do you know of romance? Or of any deeper connection. Ha! The day the light turned on was when I could say ‘this is better than sex’. You will just disparage my experience. Wrongly.

          • Hibernia86

            And what if someone doesn’t happen to be in a relationship at the time? Or what if they want both love AND sex? There is no reason to treat sex as bad just because there is something better.

          • Kitty MLB

            You really have no idea, what you speak of is
            cold, passionless and unimaginative and not
            even real. No senuality or love and over in a flash.
            Dont respond to me I have no interest and heard
            what you have been saying…I just wished to
            voice my opinion.

    • girondas2

      I have been away – a very secluded holiday, wife and sisters-in-law, walking in the woods, picking blackberries, listening to Cole Porter, reading Ken Clark on the Gothic Revival (it was in the bookcase), watching bats (very Gothic!). Wishing I hadn’t come back.
      Gave up porn at eighteen on acquiring my first girlfriend ( I was a late starter). Why watch other people when you can do it yourself?.
      I don’t know what this Cosmo boy is going on about – men and women are no dirtier now than they have always been: Internet porn has got nothing to do with it.
      I’ll leave the last word to old Woody Allen: Is sex dirty? It is if you’re doing it right.

      PS Women were trimming their pubes forty years ago – I know because i was watching.

      • Mmm. Better late than never, I guess.

        • girondas2

          I wasn’t mocking you by the way – I pretty much agree with you. I just found the article barkingly mad and i was amusing myself ( Not always a good thing to do)

          • Kitty MLB

            Oh I forgot..before going away, I inadvertently
            offended you..due to not thinking before speaking.Someone with a very high IQ but no
            common sense. You I believe gentlemanly accepted my apology..and mentioned you issue
            with rain..but I have absolutely no idea if I am to
            forever be in a icy blizzard of deliberate silent
            disapproval. I Hope not or I’ll turn into a small
            cat ..as my hubby calls me.

          • girondas2

            I don’t recall you offending me, so it couldn’t have been that awful. However I never turn down an apology.

          • Kitty MLB

            “However I never turn down an apology”
            I could say what a totally vainglorious thing
            to say.Besides I aught to be kind to those much older then me and who struggle with
            memory issues.
            Yet the ability to forget is the prerequisite of genius-Hmm!

            I shall never apologise again and I shall purposely be as mischievous as l like, all
            Metaphyisically.I shall enjoy tormenting as much as I see fit.

          • girondas2

            “I shall never apologise again”
            Oh go on – be a sport.
            I don’t mind a bit of tormenting either, although you should be careful bearing in mind my age ( Not that i recall admitting my age)

          • Kitty MLB

            O really, you have decided to cross swords with me. I shall
            warn you that swords are forged from fire and not ice.Maybe
            you are Boreas the winged God of winter, chilling the Spectator air with his freezing breath.
            ” You should be careful bearing in mind my age ”
            that sounds like a threat or a challenge… I’d like to say that I
            am safe because of your advancement of age ( whatever that is)
            ” Oh go on- be a sport”
            I have said NO- once is enough for you I am sure, its quality and not quantity.. as with everything in life.
            And saying that you don’t mind a bit of tormenting, gives others the permission to do misbehave.
            But I can’t at this very moment as a have a book to finish and a some lectures to prepare, for the autumn.

          • girondas2

            ” You should be careful bearing in mind my age ”
            that sounds like a threat or a challenge… I’d like to say that I
            am safe because of your advancement of age ( whatever that is)

            It was a plea actually.
            I have been 59 for several years.

      • Kitty MLB

        ‘A very secluded holiday’ ? I have just returned from a
        real very secluded holiday where those bookshelves
        were still trees and the only music I could listen to were from birds and the wind( not the Beethhoven that I downloaded). And I am sure you didn’t help the
        ladies with the blackberry picking just swung in a hammock and let them do all the work.

        Now to this subject, the chaps here are getting a little
        carried away with the grubby and unsensual subject
        which to women is a bucket of cold water over the
        erogenous zones..not saying anymore about those.
        Glad you gave that up way back in the distant past
        when you were 18 years old….glad you can remember
        that far back 🙂
        Tell this Woody Allen chap..to try waterfalls and bubble baths with scented oils..very spiritual and everything is pure.

        Off I go, glad you had a good holiday, although a little
        early for blackberries I thought.

        • girondas2

          I remember 18 well enough thankyou Kitty.
          Of course I helped pick the blackberries, I wanted to help eat the resultant pudding. The idea that my lot would allow me to swing in a hammock is pretty fanciful I’m afraid.- Two women are difficult enough to handle, three constitute a pack.
          Blackberries are out very early this year.

          • Kitty MLB

            ‘Two women are difficult enough to handle,
            three constitute a pack’ Oh not a very gallant
            thing to say, you might want to get a refund from the charm school you attended for a short
            while..before they expelled you.

            I cannot remember being 18 years old myself,
            It seems many moons ago..

            Glad you enjoyed the blackberries but some
            should have been saved for jam making.

          • girondas2

            ‘Two women are difficult enough to handle,
            three constitute a pack’ Oh not a very gallant

            Tongue in cheek Kitty!
            (Anyway they are proud of being difficult to handle, as i am sure are you)

            Rest assured, there are plenty of blackberries around this year for jam-making.

          • Kitty MLB

            ‘ They are proud of being difficult to handle, as I am sure you are’
            Nope! I am exceedingly shy, introverted, private and reserved and in my late 30s that’s unlikely to change.
            Husband says I never nag. I just open up in my work writing
            and in the murky world of blogosphere. I speak through the written word more that verbally, unless lecturing. And can write to kingdom come.
            Glad there are plenty of blackberries, shall drag the husband
            out at the weekend picking them.Have a nice weekend.

          • Kitty MLB

            Oh em, more mid Ish late then late..now all that
            was embarrassingly cringeingly personal..
            and to a stranger.

    • MC Slammer

      Thus spake the atheist. Tell me, why is porn degrading? By what objective standard is it degrading? If there is no god and all morality is subjective then how can you declare anything to be or not be degrading?

      You do write well, though.

      • Interesting that you think there needs to be an ‘objective’ standard, like something you can put a tape measure across. But since you mentioned it: it’s degrading because sex to be human needs a subjective eye, not an objective one such as the animals have. Yet exhibitionism for strangers (of a connection that neither involves nor concerns them as individuals) is objectifying the subjective and indeed is a removal of the subjective altogether.

        Ultimately, this is why I call those that don’t call it ‘savages’ — not only because they like it (which is true), but furthermore because they need the degradation explained to them. It’s like trying to explain what love is to someone that hasn’t ever felt it: I can give you a formal description, but the only real way to know love is to experience it.

        • MC Slammer

          I find your reply to be both civil and thoughtful. What a nice change of pace from the usual internet nonsense. It is appreciated.

          My point is that there can be no standards of behavior without an external definer of morality. Obviously morality is subjective by definition, my mistake for using the word “objective.” I should have used the word “universal.”

          I’d argue that if you believe there is no external definer, than all morality is whatever the individual feels like making it at that time and place. “Do as you will.” Bonus points if you can name who said that. 🙂

          I personally agree with your views on porn. However, another could say that you’re wrong and that his view that pornography is wonderful and should be celebrated is a more valid view. He based his morality on HIS personal life observations just as you did.
          Since there is no external definer, who is right? What laws should we have as a society regarding porn? Is it appreciate for an 8 year old to appear in a sex video? If not, why not? “He” says that’s fine. Why is his personal view less valid than yours?

          Why should people have rights? Why shouldn’t the strong exploit the weak?

          I’m sure you’ll come up with a thoughtful and erudite response. From our brief interaction I’d expect that from you. However, that response will be based on your own personal points of view, and therefore will be no more valid than anyone else’s point of view. Since there is no absolute, external definer of morality there is no objective way to determine who is right.

          As a theist, when asked why people should have rights, I’d say that every person is a unique creation of the Creator, contains a spark of the divine, and as one shows respect and love to the Creator one should show love and respect to all of his creations. Sure, my statement can be summarized as “invisible sky god said so, thus it must be true.” I’m ok with that. What the theist has that the atheist does not is an external definer of morality. No society can survive in the long run without one. I think the reasons are obvious.

          As for pornography, I arrive at the same conclusion you do and take a similar path to get there. People, being due respect and love because they are of the Creator should not be portrayed in a way that is contradictory to being deserving of respect and love. Porn depicts people as disposable objects to be used for personal pleasure and than discarded, like a used tissue (swidt). For this reason alone I would condemn it.

          Of course, there are objective reasons to be against porn. Seeing explicit images, and this I think is the worst reason, desensitizes individuals to real sex. In other words, porn wrecks your sex life. It also sets unrealistic expectations of both appearance and performance of both sexes. Also, I believe that porn encourages us to view other people as objects to be exploited for our benefit.

          Looking forward to your reply.

          • Hi. I acknowledge the difficulty: ‘this is what God says’ is much more compelling than ‘this is what me and my bruiser friends say’. But that just raises once again the question of whether God invented man or whether man needs God to justify his enterprises.

            Let’s say that humans were created. You say ‘Creator’, but as I can’t know anything about a creator I’ll just accept that something created or gave rise to us. Now, the thing that gave rise to us — whether a being or, as I suspect, a process — works within a certain framework of givens. Oxygen will be good for us, on the whole; carbon monoxide will be bad. Warm temperatures will be good; extremes of hot and cold will be hard on us and possibly deadly. In short, the creative force need not in itself have a moral purpose. But it is simply and demonstrably true that certain conditions are conducive to human life and others are not.

            Now we move to culture, which is essential to the human life just spoken of. It is impossible to imagine human life — to conceive of truly human life — without culture. We’re the cultural animal par excellence. But the very fact of being cultural is that we make rules for ourselves. We set standards, we have a proper way to do a barn dance and an improper way to do a barn dance. Whether the barn dance is high or low has nothing to do with it. But when we get to important things, such as love, which we judge as ‘high’, then the standards become very important. They become important to the protection of our best, deepest experiences, such as love. They’re important because in the state of nature, among the wolves, lions, and hyenas, it was much harder to have love. Love therefore relies in large part on the very fact of civilization. Civilization needs a certain scaffolding and protection. Human life is in a very real way a house of cards.

            So we come to how we can condemn pornography. I can’t tell someone it’s bad. But I can know it’s bad because it offends what I know that love needs, that civilization needs, and that I need as a human being to remain outside the state of nature — whoever or whatever created it. When you say it’s my opinion against the other guy’s opinion: not really: since I have arguments based on reason, reality, and a deeply experienced sentiment, whereas he is striking out for mere appetite. An appetite, what is more, with no self-awareness (and therefore neither shame nor pride). Appetite by its nature is animal. The highest humans can and do defeat appetite while retaining their feeling — in the enjoyment of life’s sensations, and through compassion. They also enjoy the life of the mind.

          • MC Slammer

            I agree with every world you wrote. You’re spot-on and we would be a much happier society if your statement was held as a common belief.

            However, I feel that a equally valid counter-argument could be made saying that humans are sexual animals, and what society needs in order to flourish is sexual libertinism. While agreeing that Humans are above animals and higher intellectual pursuits are great, a duality (always wanted to use that word) exists. Humans are both far above the animal and of the animal. Denying one is as bad as denying the other. Both must be satisfied. Any sexual morality is an artificial social construct that denies our animal nature.

            You can see where that argument is going. You and I both don’t subscribe to it but from society’s viewpoint it would at least merit argument. This brings me back to my original point. Both arguments, yours and the one above, are based on and individual’s feelings. I don’t see how one could be judged superior to the other unless there is a third party involved.

            Are you arguing that all of societies laws are simply the result of a battle of the subjective?

    • Dryermartinithanyours

      Thank you so much, Shenandoah. Sometimes a sentiment cuts a straight path through confusion, or as you suggest emotional instability, as does yours. Thank you again. Andrew Boughton

  • Sean Grainger

    Ah, August is here …

    • Derick Tulloch

      The Romans have a lot to answer for

      • rockylives

        I thought it was the Greeks…

        • They ought to get more credit than they do!

        • Gallifrey

          I should resist, but can’t …
          A Greek and Italian are arguing over who produced the greatest ancient civilisation, swapping monuments and philosophers, artists and emperors to prove their point.

          The Greek finally says: “Greece is the mother of all civilisation. We even invented sex.”

          To which the Italian replied: “Yes, but we were the first to have it with women.”

        • rtj1211

          How about Cleopatra in Egypt……

  • Des Demona

    In my experience women in their forties tend to be more sexually comfortable and confident than they were in younger years. Possibly down to natural progression or changing cultural norms. Either way, they know what they want, they know how to get it and more power to ’em!

    • Who in their right mind wants to ‘try out’ what some prostitute on camera has shown them? Nothing inspired by their actual lover, of course, or their own twitching imagination. Talk about the death of passion!

      • Des Demona

        Well I’d give it a go if it looked interesting. Might just be me!

        • You’d really want to go through life saying ‘let’s do what Sxy Sadie did’ or ‘let’s do that yucky thing that gross hairy bloke did in Bulls’ Bollocks‘? I’m afraid I wouldn’t want these people in my bedroom or have them to thank for my emotional state. If you’ve got bodies and passion you can figure it out for yourselves, surely?

          • Des Demona

            I wouldn’t go through life saying anything like that, however I will be eternally grateful for learning the ”double butterfly” which women seem to adore and which in all likelihood I wouldn’t have thought of myself. Your attitude is obviously your attitude, and that’s fine, but many people including many women enjoy porn. Whatever floats your boat.

          • Kitty MLB

            Utter rubbish. You may find that ALL normal women and men, those who can have a relationship with real people would find that
            subject sterile and repulsive.

          • Des Demona

            And yet porn is a multi billion dollar industry, so I guess there are, according to you. a vast number of men and women who don’t fall under your definition of ”normal”?
            You may find that many ”normal” men and women would consider you a stuck up prude?

          • Kitty MLB

            Well there have been dubious characrers since
            before the ancient Greeks.
            Its an industry as you say, provides a service
            for those with issues and usually at the expense of someone .
            And myself and other likeminded people are not a prude but normal ladies and I ‘d say the
            same about men.

          • Des Demona

            Well, apparently all men must have issues

            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex/6709646/All-men-watch-porn-scientists-find.html

            and apparently more than a few women too

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jincey-lumpkin/carlin-ross_b_1278032.html
            Generalising is in fact just a matter of opinion.

          • Something that appeals to people’s worst instincts (if they have them — I don’t) doesn’t make those instincts better. It’s nothing to be proud of.

          • Des Demona

            Funnily enough I get the same feeling when dealing with judgemental prigs who think that because they have a problem with something then everyone else should too.
            You have no ”worst instincts”? Ha! The irony!

          • Peter_qld

            I’ve got an issue about you saying I’ve got an issue. ’cause I haven’t. I just know what I like and prefer and when to keep it quiet and who to share it with! It’s called discretion.
            if you really want to know if it’s all a modern day phenomenon – ask your Mum. Most women were pregnant when they got married back when. Check birthdates and their parents marriage dates of people over 60. All sorts of stuff went on – just not discussed. As for prostitution … well plenty o fthem followed the Roman hordes in Alexander’s and Julius Ceasar’s time. Why should all this stuff be “new”? It isn’t. The fact we can access it easier and talk about it more is what it is different. Lastly, if you kids are accessing it, what does that say about their parents? Anything or nothing?

          • rtj1211

            Tell me this: if I mind my own business at school and have 24 revolting acned-covered teenagers, all of whom are bigger and stronger than me, telling me day in day out for 4 years, either verbally or non-verbally, that I”ll have about as much chance of sex before 50 as you’d have of propelling yourself farting to the moon, then did I have issues or did they?? If you’re 5ft 3 you don’t have the ability to beat the crap out of them, nor can you twist their testicles through 180 degrees and still be alive the next day…….you just have to put up with it……

            If I had women telling me in their mid 20s that ‘we were all silly going after the rugger buggers and leaving nice guys like you to rot’, then is that 5 second apology for 10 years of being equivalent to food past its sell-by date miraculously going to give me all that dating experience post haste?? Don’t think so.

            You can be free of all ‘issues’ but just realistic about how women perceive you.

            And that’s just your own generation: haven’t bothered mentioning the issues of parents and their ilk……..

            Would you say: ‘the wisest course of action in that scenario is to happily use prostitutes until such a time as your generation of women grow up as to what they want from a man?’

            Or would you say: ‘you should join the priesthood?’

            Because I thought you joined the priesthood to screw little boys, not because you were an unfortunate societal statistic which the nation you were born into was too emotionally illiterate to let you solve for yourself………

            There are people out there free of all issues who society deems ‘aren’t average’. They still have sex drives which the rest of society doesn’t wish to embrace.

            Just be thankful you weren’t one of them, but don’t you ever dare to presume to have the right to judge them…….

          • mia

            Look up Sasha Grey and tell me she is not normal, and is sterile or repulsive.

          • SnakeArbusto

            Mind sharing a link on that double butterfly? All I can come up with are stock trading options and valves – plus one crocheting site.

          • MaxImPerfect

            so funny

          • rtj1211

            Why be so upfront about it? Why not just suggest it naturally?? The fact you saw it on a porn movie isn’t actually that important is it?? Or do you need to reinvent the karma sutra from scratch to feel fulfilled?!

      • Mukkinese

        What a fragile little ego you must have if it is so easily threatened.

        Porn is people having sex on camera. Sure it ain’t real, sometimes it is silly fantasy, often it is immature, in it’s attitudes, and sometimes distasteful. So what?

        Those who see it as a threat obviously do not have much confidence in their own sex lives or attitudes to sex. That is why it affects the young more than any.

        What we have to accept is that it is not going away. Puritans can threaten and bluster, the chatterers can hand-wring about it’s effects on the young and the weak-minded can blame it for societies ills, but it is here to stay.

        We need to act like grown ups and adjust our own attitudes toward it, only then will it begin to reflect those aspects of sex, and our wider relationships, that we want to enhance…

      • rtj1211

        Some people aren’t very imaginative so maybe new ideas are helpful for them??

    • rtj1211

      I think that has been true in the past but may be changing with the current young generation………there seems to be societal carte blanche to go out and try out pretty much whatever you want to try out, so inhibitions due to society are becoming fewer and fewer…….

  • gerronwithit

    I wondered what passed for Metropolitan elite conversationn by the Metropolita at dinner parties. I thought it was possibly b*ll*cks, but shaved b*ll*cks, pulllease!

  • GUBU

    I must lead a very sheltered life.

    Thankfully.

  • rtj1211

    It’s like anything really – in small amounts it may be fun, harmless and do some good for some people. In large amounts it may have other outcomes.

    The real question is why people expect anything different to happen. Do parents and children actually COMMUNICATE with each other?? The more you badge sex up as something ‘dirty’, ‘private’ etc etc, the more teenagers will find ways to find out more. The easiest way to turn a teenager into a chain-smoking alkie is to lock them up for the first offence. Assuming that they’re going to try both out and handle it cool when they do is far more likely to make them decide it’s really not worth it.

    After all, being made to feel that you’re abnormal because the descriptions you read in the classical literature about sex don’t resemble anything you feel yourself is just as silly really. Truth is: different people feel different things at different stages of their lives.

    I still reckon that 7 years of practical sex lessons would benefit far more 14 – 21 year olds than the way it gets done now.

    Zero chance of it happening in a culture where the immaculate conception is reckoned to be likely outcomes for the majority of humble christian sinners…….

  • Ted Cunterblast

    I agree with you about the bald snatches. They’re ghastly. It’s a particular pet peeve of mine. Of course I’ll still stuff them given the chance, which I am rather frequently, but they do look odd. What are women thinking when they do this? I asked one. She told me that it helps keep the area hygienic. The implication being, that she sleeps around a bit. Well, of course she does. But still.

    • Lucius_Severus_Pertinax

      It has been observed by many individuals that women who make a clean sweep of the pubic area usually have a particular appetite for recreational sex.

      • ArchiePonsonby

        Very true!

  • Simon_in_London

    The horror… The horror…

  • Colonel Mustard

    Keep this up and you’ll have Labour’s grim-faced, helmet-haired harpies banning the internet.

  • Ilya Grushevskiy

    Well, I can understand why seeing your preferred form of social gathering waning into a porn discussion-fest would cause concern for those who’s opinions are more or less fixed about the world, but social norms these days are going from ones made on a whim by generations past, to ones that conform to the concept of “if consenting adults do it, then so be it”.. Within that boundary, insisting on restraint purely for the purpose of restrain is nothing short of social S&M..

    Porn doesn’t cause people to become less affectionate towards women. That’s just men being men. Removing access to legal porn will not make things better, for kids or adults. The first porn film I saw, I was 10, and because it was illegal and not widely available pre-internet days (ours was a VHS), it was rather… akhem, scary – a woman died in it from getting raped (70s acting and script writing was just FAR above what we have these days! :p )..

    When the internet hit in public school around 1999, life was much safer for us kids – regular porn is the equivalent of a quarantined ward in a hospital – v v low chance of contracting the mental and sexual equivalent of MRSA :p Let’s just say the monotonous pounding you find on countless sites is the least scary manifestation of the wider genre of pornography.

    As for anal, this writer floats in interesting circles – rarely do even my friends talk about that – and seems to have a phobia: mentioned 4 times in the article.. I’m assuming a bad experience and a general misunderstanding of the mechanics :p

    PS Guys should get Brazillians too – makes sex more sensual. Simple! 😀

    • authentic8

      I think you have misread the tone of the article. The author is not “insisting on restraint” anywhere nor attempting to impinge on other people’s freedom of choice. Also, the article was intended somewhat as tongue-in-cheek humorous.

      I don’t share your confidence that porn does not cause people to become less affectionate towards women. The anecdotal evidence I have read suggests it does, at least in some cases. Saying that is “just men being men” sounds highly sexist to me also. Is it a male quality to be unaffectionate towards women? What if a male who was affectionate at the start of a relationship, discovers porn (or continues with an existing practice), and loses interest in his partner. Is that just a man being a man, or being a cad or being influenced by the fact that he can obtain sexual gratification with thousands of (to him) more physically attractive, younger and varied women instead of just one (ageing) woman? Sure that is caddish but would he have engaged in that behaviour if porn were not part of the equation? The brain is a strange thing, and the influences of porn on it are only beginning to be studied. So far, though, it is not looking all that good.

      Your third paragraph seems to contradict. Internet pornography has long since moved on from “monotonous pounding” where (consensual) BDSM as well as some rather disturbingly rough treatment of women, for which the consensual nature is dubious at best, has become commonplace and often the more popular variety of porn on the sites you mention.

      I’m not sure anyone here, least of all the author, is calling for removing legal access to porn. But what did you mean by saying it will not make things better for kids and then going on to describe your own experience of accessing a 70s porn on VHS and describing it as “scary”. If you found that scary, how do you think a 10 year old today would find much of the porn available on the Internet. Surely removing easy access to Internet porn by 10 year olds is then a good idea?

      You appear to be assuming that kids accessing porn via the Internet prevents them going out and experimenting with sex. The evidence is that it has the opposite effect. They see the kind of porn we have previously described and then go and experiment with it, or try it out on their unsuspecting young girlfriends whose first experience of sex ends up being the kind as depicted by the actors in these videos. Many report it being not a very pleasant experience.

      Not enjoying anal sex, or even being repulsed by it, is not a phobia (not that the author even said that he was, nor does the number of times it was mentioned in an article like this stand out very much). Assuming someone who dislikes anal sex, or hearing people talk about it, is phobic, seems itself to be somewhat of a bigoted and judgemental statement.

      Lastly, because of your complaints about the tone of the article, saying that guys *should* get brazilians is somewhat ironic. No-one *should* get, or do anything, particularly in regard to sexual matters, other than what they themselves prefer to have or do.

  • “How do I know that pornography depraves and corrupts? It depraves and corrupts me.” ~ Malcolm Muggeridge

    “Do not be proud of the fact that your grandmother was shocked at something which your are accustomed to seeing or hearing without being shocked. … It may be that your grandmother was an extremely lively and vital animal, and that you are a paralytic.” ~ G.K. Chesterton

    • Gwangi

      All this present puritanical kerfuffle about p-orn is a direct result of the feminisation of our society.

      In general, women do not like or use p-orn; though they do enjoy their emotional pornography (chicklit, Jane Austen, costume drama, most TV these days which is made for the bulk audience – ie women).

      So if women do not like or enjoy something, our meeja gynocracy declares it to be suspect and wrong. NO IT IS NOT. P-orn is great – and harmless. Perhaps these finger-wagging nannies just hate the thought of males having fun by themselves and not needing a woman for it eh?

      Then there is the class issue. The word pornography (writing or/by prostitutes) was coined around 200 years ago. Before then no such word or concept existed. ‘Erotic imagery’ was always the preserve of the ruling classes; they get worried when ordinary people have access to it too. Which is why all dictatorships, right and left, are almost as anti-pornography as the feminist lobby – a bunch of puritan manhating miserabilists whose idea of a perfect society would make North Korea look like a Liberal Democrat conference afterparty.

      • Wessex Man

        If you believe that you sadly don’t get out a lot or get out with the wrong sort of women.

        • Gwangi

          Oh do belt up and go find a fwend to hug you!
          Emotional po-rn is warping the minds of most women in The West who want to find THE ONE and cannot see that marriage is just a stable arrangement to have children and divide property fairly. The Asians know this. Of course, instead of finding THE ONE women find inadequate wimps like you. Ho hum…

          • Andrew Morton

            There are some that go and get their own version of porn in Rotherham and a few other towns. I want to say ho hum but I am much angrier than ho hum.

          • Reddy

            How on earth do you know what “warps” the minds of women. And how dare you purport to speak as a representative of half of humanity. Porn is fantasy, healthy fantasy and like everything else in life, including oxygen, water and chocolate, is best enjoyed in moderation.
            As for marriage, are you still in the 16th century? Just because much of Asia and the Middle East still is (largely religiously dogmatised and enforced btw), doesn’t mean that we need to be. Marriage is an entirely different arrangement compared to its roots in the feudal system. But hey, you know all about that right?
            My suggestion is to refrain from contributing until you can better disguise your ignorance, or better yet, treat the root cause and educate yourself before you spout off.

          • dee

            You are very rude.

          • rtj1211

            Your wife is fully consented to an open marriage, then??!!

        • ukfred

          Or perhaps have a wife who believes that the one food that totally blots out her libido for her husband forever is her own wedding cake.

        • GUBU

          I sense that Mr Gwangi has had an unfortunate experience, and now prefers to make his own entertainment. Well, as they say, each to his own…

          Meanwhile, I have learnt a new word – ‘gynocracy’. If you can think of a context in which I might ever use it, let me know.

          • Kaine

            Some interesting science fiction. Alternatively hyenas.

          • Sean

            I think you misunderstand the point made by Gwangi. He did not say that porn was the only ‘route’ to take, but that it was a perfectly acceptable route. I share his view that to a large degree, ‘politically correct’ attitudes on such matters are heavily influenced by women. Perhaps this is for the good in many cases, but this does not mean it is always the case.

          • GUBU

            What happened to the good old days, when a young man’s first experience of pornographic material was the lingerie section of Kay’s Catalogue, or, if he was lucky, a rather rumpled and clearly well used copy of ‘Knave’, found by chance in some bushes?

            All you’re doing is applying an intellectual patina to the basic male desire to ‘crack one off’. And remember – too much of that can make you go blind.

      • chad

        Fornication and prostitution or porni is older then 200 years, the filming of it might be new but that’s due to tech not soceity. no class in any age ever looked highly upon prostitution. “The word pornography, derived from the Greek porni (“prostitute”) and graphein (“to write”), was originally defined as any work of art or literature depicting the life of prostitutes.”-http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/470645/pornography

        • sevanclaig

          Thank you for not sourcing wikipedia.

        • rtj1211

          I prefer to see it another way and say that the fact that prostitution has existed for so many centuries says that there is a market need to service and, however hoity toity uptight self-righteous morally superior idiots describe it, it serves those it is meant to serve.

        • Brogan75

          Just go to Pompeii and look at the graffiti

      • StephanBib

        No, young women for about ten years at least have been: Me: Do you watch porn? Her: Doesn’t everybody? I in the late 80’s most girls didn’t but by the mid 2000’s it had totally changed in my experience. Blow jobs are just part of normal sex too, not special or a treat as they still were in the early 90’s Anal sex was *very rare* in the late 80’s with middle class women and now, depending where you live, everybody’s tried it and a big percentage do it on the reg. and more than you’d think like it/prefer it.

        • Scaramouche

          If you believe oral sex was special and/or a ‘treat’ in the early 90s, you are clearly not in your 70s. It’s been alive and well; especially in marriage, since Adam ate the apple. That no one seemed to know about it was due to a simple fact. Most married couples believed that what they did in the marriage bed was personal and private, and of no interest to anyone else! Please don;”t ask me how I know? 🙂

        • mia

          Sorry, but you are being slightly ridiculous here, you’re going on what the films and magazines told you. Sure, you have some good points, amusing too, “BJs were seen as treats in the late 80’s and anal was very rare”, hilarious, but in the private lives I think you will find things were very different. Just like today; society likes to think it’s only straight men who have and like anal sex; society and its media leads us all to believe it’s only gay men who have anal, it’s not. In the 80’s people were giving BJs on first dates and straight men and women were having lots of anal, it’s just it wasn’t trendy or celebrated then, now it is; thanks to the internet.

      • Duncan Fraser

        Cant argue with PIED, that’s real.

      • ukfred

        If porn is harmless, how come we have young men in their mid-twenties suffering from erectile dysfunction? For other problems caused by porn, go read “Cupid’s Poison Arrow” on Psychology Today on-line.

        • Adam Marketis

          I think you will find that it’s actually increasing cases of high blood pressure and diabetes in today’s youth that is more likely to be the cause of ED in young adults.

          • Hogspace

            Lack of exercise and excess of xbox? Or maybe they just wacked off 3 times to Internet porn today already

          • MarkML

            Sure, but there are a lot of cases where ED in young adults is gone once they quit using porn on a regular basis.

            Not to mention those who have ED with a real woman, but can get it ready for porn.

          • rtj1211

            That sounds like anxiety issues rather than to do with porn. Think the guys who the girls refused to dance with at school discos, the ones whose mothers were cold and undemonstrative, the ones whose voices broke late, the ones who didn’t smoke, drink and do drugs as teenagers…….

            Unless they get the chance to learn the ropes with prostitutes, chances are they’ll end up 21 not knowing what to do, which isn’t exactly what most horny young lasses are looking for to be honest…….

          • MarkML

            Nope, not at all.

        • Hogspace

          Well what about the men in their fifties wishing it would go down just once in a while and let us do some gardening instead?

        • rtj1211

          Quite likely due to the treatment of a lot of food with estrogen-like substances, which of course has reduced male sperm counts over the past 100 years……

      • Stevie Mac

        The point of the article is that many women do like to use porn. This is based on the author’s considerable experience. It seems that you have disregarded this and had the rant you had in mind anyway.

        Are you sure it is not true? Are women likely to tell you whether or not they watch porn? Have you done a survey?

      • Do not equate “chick lit” with Jane Austen or we will ship you off to North Korea and let you hang out there for awhile until you understand the difference. Porn is a broad issue – that incorporates nudity as well as misogyny. It’s the misogyny that needs to be eradicated from the medium – along with those that condone such.

        • rtj1211

          I did suggest to a woman a few years ago that she and her mates should set up a business to make porn for women: that way, no men could be blamed for its effects…..

      • MaxImPerfect

        meeja gynocracy – worth the price of entry !

      • mia

        Wow, are you kidding me? I watch more porn than ANY boyfriend I’ve been with, and I detest that ”female friendly” porn too, it’s insulting, plus does nothing for me. I think you will find just as many women watch porn, it’s just society doesn’t want this out i n the open. Porn’s a ”man’s thing”.

        • rtj1211

          More like it’s another stick for feministas to beat men up with…..

    • Ambientereal

      The older I get (I´m quite old already), the more I understand my grandmother and her contemporaries. People had clear roles and the problems arose when those roles and the persons that interpreted them were not respected. We have created many alternative roles but we are not getting more respect, that´s why we are “evolving” but still very unsatisfied.

      • I’m usually suspicious of attempts to build a better yesterday, but I think you’re right.

  • The Masked Marvel

    Nothing better to publish, ladies and gentlemen? One needn’t be a prude to be bored to tears by such narcissistic fumbling.

  • AJH1968

    I remember a line from Roald Dahl’s My Uncle Oswald sex is like picking your nose fun to do yourself but singularly unpleasant to observe.

  • Dick_Puddlecote

    “There is some evidence that the Brazilian wax is on the wane — at least with the young” [citation needed]

  • Toby Guise

    Ha… Whereas the august Spectator having a middle-aged sex columnist does nothing at all to contribute to this change, of course. Anyone who really “miss(ed) middle-class reserve and reticence” would not, perhaps, conduct a shamelessly promiscous sex life and then share the details with 50,000 people? If you want to have any credibility, pick which side you are on and stick to it!

  • Smithersjones2013

    Porn-agains: meet the middle-aged men – and women – warped by internet porn

    Whereas Cosmo is just your plain old Middle aged male tart experiencing his mid life crisis…….

    • Mid-life crisis: According to Marcus Berkmann it’s a recurring ongoing condition.

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    Old people today, so immoral.
    Growing old disgracefully.

    • George Smiley

      Oh, shut up! When are you finally going to get yourself a job to repay the tens nay hundreds of thousands your Japanese parents invested in you by sending you over to some boarding school in Oxon.?!

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        Retiree of independent means with the freedom to travel and indulge whims and eccentricities. Much like yourself I daresay. Except for tedious necessity of having to sign on weekly at the Job Centre, obviously.
        Jack, the Japan Alps Brit

        • George Smiley

          A tax-free weekly cash maintenance and disbursement allowance for other uncovered general living expenses from Mummy and Daddy, you mean?! I mean, you are obviously under 40 years of age, and are also seriously out of your depth!

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    Is pornography a substitute for “the real thing”? Or is the “real thing” a disappointment after you’ve seen what porn has to offer. Bangkok in the 1980s, no porn but the “real thing” … You never lose your girl, you just lose your turn. I’ve never heard of anyone catching a sexually transmitted infection from porn.

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    I suspect that UK young men have been so exposed to porn morning, noon and night, 24-7, that now they are virtually immune. So while middle-age men are attracted at the sight of massive cleavage, young men don’t even react. Porn’s always available and unlike “real women” they don’t need to make any effort.
    However, that said, real women might want to check out the underwear favoured by porno queens, and dump those hearts patterned knickers.

    • George Smiley

      “I suspect”, i.e. you don’t know!

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        Unlike you who is frequently almost sure. As example, that I’m Japanese. You safely bet the farm against Jock’s “almost sure”.
        Jack, the Japan Alps Brit

        • George Smiley

          You certainly act like a young, drooling, unhinged and otherwise over-excited East Asian Oriental chap with a pair of glasses! Do you troll everyday on the Internet after your daily masturbation?!

          • Kudos for the best put-down of Jackthesmuggitblack I’ve ever seen.

          • George Smiley

            Mind you, he is obviously both a mental basket case as well as a genuinely sad case, really! Well, I am not a psychiatry medical student, but someone unfortunately with things not far behind, and his is probably full-blown schizophrenia and a whole host of personality disorders. Still, I can’t believe that any other person of sound mind and full capacity can possibly more or less troll non-stop like him across different platforms, since the year 2004!

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            So that means you’ve been asserting that I’m Japanese for a decade. You lying piece of shit. You deranged worthless failure.
            Jack, the Japan Alps Brit

          • George Smiley

            The Japanese boy lady doth protest too much, methinks.

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            Watch out, Shen, insanity is contagious.

          • There does seem to be a lot of it about….

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            I was about to say Britain is a nation of bullies, however in your case “childish asshole” would be a better description.

          • Don’t read my comments, then.

          • girondas2

            You’re mixing with a gang of over- excited men Shenandoah.
            Even I’m getting embarrassed for my s*x

          • Yes, it’s all farts and beer breath on this thread — but no need to feel embarrassed, as you are fragrant.

          • girondas2

            Well thankyou, though I fear you flatter me (only a little mind)

          • Congratulations! I think you should celebrate your promotion/higher status with a particularly nice bottle of something.

            As for forgetting: it means you’ve had a good break. I’ve just returned from two months in the mountains and I had to think twice about where everything is in the kitchen.

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            Jock’s essentially describing himself. Asserting literally hundreds of times that I’m Japanese takes little more explaining. Whatever insane fantasy he attributes to me, he is in fact outlining his own pitiful existence. Right. China boy?

          • George Smiley

            I shall not lower myself to the same level as yourself. How are you a “Japan Alps Brit” when you are clearly just a plain old Japanese who just happens to had gone to some third-rate, cheap boarding school in Oxfordshire sometime in the 1990s?

    • AnnPelham

      “I suspect that UK young men have been so exposed to porn morning, noon and night, 24-7, that now they are virtually immune.”

      Or, Renaissance art.

      • George Smiley

        Blasphemy, against the Great Masters!

        • AnnPelham

          The article focused on … ?

          There’s your answer.

          • George Smiley

            Mind you, the more erotic stuff only really came out of the woodwork en masse in the 19th.c.!

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        Ban and then burn Renaissance art, it’s clearly child pornography. Any day now in paedo-crazy UK.

        • AnnPelham

          Yeah, I can some liberals doing that.

    • Who wears knickers? Ans: Your girlfriend.

      • George Smiley

        He hasn’t got one—not even an imaginary one! The poor saddo!

        • Jackthesmilingblack

          Every time you make an illogical comment, non-sensical comment about me you are in fact describing yourself.

          • George Smiley

            Yet refusing to answer the question and trying to change the subject!

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            Ask till you’re blue in the face… Oh, you already are. Identify thieves operate in this area.

          • George Smiley

            The best way to deal with a Troll is to ignore him, but you are just too irresistible!

  • Alfie

    I love a nice, shaved twat

    • slyblade

      How about IDS then?

      • Wessex Man

        now there’s no need for that, nice one Alfie.

        • Damaris Tighe

          Now you’re positively dribbling …

          • Wessex Man

            Yes I prefer to make love not war as you seem to.

          • Damaris Tighe

            Yes, I thought you probably were an aging hippie.

          • Wessex Man

            It’s preferable to most of the stuff you advocate.

          • Damaris Tighe

            you’re so sad, you have no idea when to call it a day & just have a laugh

      • Alfie

        It’s more bald from old age than shaved, eugh!

    • George Smiley

      I don’t see what’s wrong with a bit on top!

      • Alfie

        Nowt wrong with that either, old son!

        • George Smiley

          But probably not too much of the stuff immediately around the piece de resistance, especially when the lady requires, demands or expects a bit of gentle touching and kissing—and not at the mouth, either!

          • Wessex Man

            You are a connoisseur Sir.

          • Kitty MLB

            I’d have a cold shower if I were you, chaps are
            getting a little carried away it seems.

          • Wessex Man

            Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

          • Kitty MLB

            No ! I meant on you own, not with anyone else.
            Just behave will you.

    • eclair

      Good god man….the itching…………

      • Alfie

        Nothing a bit of talcum powder can’t fix!

        • eclair

          Always good to talk to an expert. How long have you been tweaking yours?

          • Alfie

            About 8 years now!

          • Wessex Man

            get away, I bet you have a nice wax job.

  • Anthorny

    A fascinating article and I also have never understood the recent phenomenon of pubic shaving. It serves only to create a pre-pubescent appearance. And that’s got to be the idea, as it seems that a much higher proportion of the male population are a bit or fully paedo, as suggested by another recent Spectator article. The article cited the recent arrest of 600, including doctors, policemen and teachers etc.

    I’m thankful of my normal programming, finding only post-pubescent naturally-haired females attractive.

    And shouldn’t any sensible woman who’s partner or prospective partner says (literally or otherwise) “I love that shaved pre-pubescent look” run a mile?

    • Wessex Man

      It doesn’t really matter if the wall is painted or bare if the door is lovely, absolutely lovely.

      • Damaris Tighe

        Stop slobbering

    • authentic8

      For some, I believe it is more to do with improving oral sex, but the completely bare look (as opposed to a neat trim) as a visual / aesthetic improvement? I do not understand it.

    • AnnPelham

      “And that’s got to be the idea, as it seems that a much higher proportion of the male population are a bit or fully paedo, as suggested by another recent Spectator article.”

      What definition of “paedo” are you using?

      “I’m thankful of my normal programming, finding only post-pubescent naturally-haired females attractive.”

      Translation: “Look at me, all women, and see how great I am compared to my competition!” White-knighting is really tiresome.

      • Anthorny

        On your first point the definition of paedo being used is the one that gets 600 arrested in just ONE police operation! Not a statistically insignificant number I suggest.

        Your second point seems unrelated to the the statement you cite, so I can’t meaningfully respond.

        • AnnPelham

          “On your first point the definition of paedo being used is the one that gets 600 arrested in just ONE police operation! Not a statistically insignificant number I suggest.”

          Oh. Dear. God. How stupid are you??

          “Your second point seems unrelated to the the statement you cite, so I can’t meaningfully respond.”

          LOL. Don’t want to admit it’s just a teeny, tiny bit true? No response necessary.

          • Anthorny

            On your first point, as Socrates said ““When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”

            On your second point, as Socrates said ““When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”

          • AnnPelham

            Cute. But, when you don’t actually provide an argument, there is no debate. Beyond that, check the definition of ‘slander’ – you’re a bit off (on everything).

        • Jackthesmilingblack

          Plod, the UK MSM and the mug-punter general public really do need to differentiate between watching kiddie porn on their PC (however reprehensible), and hands-on sexual child abuse. Perhaps the Catholic Church can help us out on this.

    • Hibernia86

      No, men like women who shave because they find hairy women less attractive. Comparing it to pedophilia is offensive. Women shave their legs and men shave their face and no one says that that causes pedophilia, but for some reason shaving pubs gets people up in arms.

      • Anthorny

        It may be considered an offensive comparison, but it is of concern even for psycholgists. The eminent evolutionary psychologist Gordon Gallup has proposed that those who prefer their sexual partners to be hairless, might actually be latent paedophiles (Scientific American, March 1, 2010).

        Also in a study by Tiggemann and Hodgson, the shaving phenomenon they found a little troubling:

        “The complete removal of pubic hair is also removing a key
        marker of adult female sexuality. The result is a prepubescent-like
        body that is highly sexualized. Thus it is another practice that may
        contribute to the increasing objectification and sexualization of young girls.” (Sex Roles, 2008)

  • commenteer

    I’m puzzled by your references to the removal of pubic hair as something recent. In the near and middle east, the removal of all body hair has been universal among women for centuries. I’m not sure about cultures further east. The newly waxed pudenda is highly appreciated by men.
    Waxing also helps to keep the area clean, preventing the spread of thrush and other skin diseases. It’s therefore considered essential for hygiene, as well as providing sexual appeal.

    • authentic8

      Quite obviously the article not talking about the Middle East which most of its readers will not have visited, nor will likely ever visit (at least for long enough to get the chance to see the subject in question). The article references the average Western male’s experiences as is expected.

    • George Smiley

      Can we not talk about those Mohammedan and other Semitic savages all the time, please?!

  • Damaris Tighe

    And then people complain that muslims turn their backs on the western way of life & retreat into bin bags & modesty codes!

    • Wessex Man

      oh do grow a sense of humour you miserable old git!

      • Damaris Tighe

        What on earth are you talking about? The comment was half serious half humerous. There are other serious comments here. Why pick on mine? Why are you being so aggressive?

        • Doggie Roussel

          It certainly wasn’t humourous !

  • Freddie Andrews

    Marking the non-bushers as deviant is a bit hard; after all most of my friends prefer the touch of a smooth,dewy-down-covered peach, to a handful-of-sprats.

  • Nick

    Well written, but utter nonsense. Women waxing pubic hair is nothing to do with conforming to the standards of pornography. For the vast majority of history, pubic has been considered unsightly. Ok pre-1500 it is difficult to prove. But since we very first learn to create accurate representation- Just look at most renaissance painting, romantic painting, early 20th century artwork!!!! It was only in the 1960-onward that girls got lazy under the guise of feminism, and pubic hair became the norm.

    • authentic8

      Artwork is not a good way to gauge body fashion since painting pubic hair was considered obscene – people were allowed to paint nudes as long as it wasn’t included. Early photography (mostly forbidden) may be a more accurate gauge of the fashions of the day. Pubic hair did indeed abound.

      Don’t forget, it would have been somewhat more inconvenient and uncomfortable for women to shave down there on a daily basis.

      • That’s very true, what you say. But then again, it abounds whether we like it or not, since it arose before we had aesthetic judgement. That is part of its appeal, and part of its repulsiveness (sometimes the two mixed together): it’s functional, supremely crass, and primitive.

      • eclair

        What makes you think things have changed?

        • authentic8

          Unless the women were syphilitic prostitutes or part of the rich 0.01% then I am doubtful that razors and merkins would have been on their shopping list. History records little about most women. We would do well, though, to remember that most of historical books and artwork were not written about or for women of working class families, sadly.

          • eclair

            unnnh? Was asleep….

      • Flatdog

        My ex-wife used to shave “down there”, because, she said, it made her monthly period less messy.

        In historic times, women used to shave their nether regions so that genital crabs had nowhere to dwell, and used to wear a sort of “pubic wig” known as a merkin.

        And no, Cosmo, men who prefer their woman clean shaven are no more likely to have paedophilic tendencies than anyone else.

        • authentic8

          What you refer to historically would, I’m sure, have been true of the rich equivalent of today’s 1% of whom (probably 0.01% – nearly all of whom books and artwork of the time would have referenced and been aimed at) and prostitutes. Today we assume that these were the only people that existed in history because we read so little about everyone else.

          Do you think the average working class person would have had the time, money, or inclination to shave down there and wear merkins? I’m open to correction, but it seems unlikely to me.

  • AnnPelham

    “It’s odd that at a time when we have become more anxious about child sex, middle-aged women — even ones who have children — are setting out to make their sex organs look like those of children. What sort of man finds that sexy? Answer: paedophiles.”

    Wow, that’s quite a leap of logic there. It doesn’t explain why pedophiles still ignore adult women in favour of underaged females, though…

    Just one failure of a many-failure’d article (though, on par for the Spectator, I might add).

  • Simon Fay

    I wonder where these inhibition-free creatures’ gaze will turn to spice up their appetites as they further jade?

    • Their appetites will just… explode. They’ll either become like slavering rabid animals or they will give it all up as boring.

  • George Smiley

    Only freaks who either as men enjoy beating women about or are as women enjoyed as weak-minded, easily-swayed, manipulated types being beaten about, enjoy take it or be taken up the wrong way methinks, notwithstanding of what the heterosexual bum-bandits would like to tell us such as “if you do it right, it wouldn’t hurt” or their other malaky!

    • Ian Walker

      You shoud probably go and see a good shrink to discuss your experiences in the boarding school dorms, rather than taking it out on us.

      • George Smiley

        Care to join me for a bit of fun under the showers?!

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        Perhaps Rochdale Social Services can be induced to intervene before Jock moves on from cyber staling to the real thing. For his own good, as Rochdale Plod would love to have a local nutter up their sleeve when there’s an unsolved with a race-hate element.

  • disqus_JXTaH3N9kU

    Landesman is keen on writing about his sexual exploits isn’t he ? This is his third column in fairly quick succession on the subject. I’m not waiting with much anticipation for the fourth.

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  • eclair

    This is an appalling state of affairs. We must let the young think they invented

    something…….

  • Hibernia86

    *sigh* I can see the article goes for the typical “OMG liking a woman who shaves between her legs is the same thing as pedophilia!” No, idiots, it is just that most men like women who aren’t hairy. You never see people screaming about pedophilia when women shave their legs or men shave their faces, but when it comes to between the legs people go hysterical.

  • Terry Field

    Older people are younger people, but in a different ‘point in time’
    Sex is discovered and enjoyed as never before.
    Yippee
    All hail the telescreen.

  • Mrs Josephine Hyde-Hartley

    I don’t think healthy people, young or old, need to bother with imagery. Real life is much better and not so terribly demanding.

    • Right. And I’ll go farther if you don’t mind and add that they don’t need to make a subjective experience ‘objective’ — by objectively viewing others in a subjective action, and by learning to view themselves as objects by extension. In other words, no genuine ‘letting go’ can be for a camera, can be for the consumption of others outside of it: and no soulful letting-go is enhanced by Peeping Tomism.

  • Liz

    Female readers aren’t interested in the porn pictures of our bodies that increasingly accompany Spectator articles.

  • DaveAtherton20

    One of the good consequences of internet porn is a reduction in rape. “University of Clemson Economist Todd Kendall found, “Internet access appears to be a substitute for rape; in particular, the results suggest that a 10 percentage point increase in Internet access is associated with a decline in reported rape victimization of around 7.3 percent.”

    More here: http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/07/30/The-Science-Pornography-Can-Actually-Reduce-Rapes

    • Jackthesmilingblack

      Regarding Internet kiddie porn, surely culpability should be divided by number of subscribers. Or is that a bit too pragmatic for paedo-crazy UK?

  • Badly Done Emma

    Cosmo! Have you not just done, in writing this, the very thing you’re complaining about? Sorry, not all forty and fifty something year olds are into porn by the way. And there are other reasons for epilation – so I’ve been told….

  • Badly Done Emma

    As a PS to my earlier post. If you want to be really disgusted Cosmo try James Joyce and his wife, Nora’s letters entitled xxxxbird and Jim, guaranteed more shocking than any of your recent dinner party chat.

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    “It’s odd that at a time when we have become more anxious about child sex, middle-aged women — even ones who have children — are setting out to make their sex organs look like those of children. What sort of man finds that sexy? Answer: paedophiles.”
    You know, I think you may have hit on a profound truth.

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    Never trust a bush unless it’s burning.

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    Women have this amazing ability to spot the nutter at 30 paces. Which goes a long way to explain the existence of a multi-billion dollar porn industry.

    • George Smiley

      “Original contribution” from “the Japan Alps Brit” = pure, unadulterated trolling by one bored, unemployed Japanese basket case waiting for his next appointment with the outpatient day loony bin.

  • Gwangi

    Nothing whatsoever harmful in po-orn for anyone who watches it. Correlation does NOT equal causation, so if someone becomes a serial raypist and has watched porn that means precisely nothing. That’s not to stop the mad, the bad and the Fawcett society using these false femi-arguments of course.
    What this article dwells on is change in society – namely that we do not seem to mind that women have potty mouths and are promiscuous at any age or situation (eg as mothers). But then the same feminists who want to ban porn claim this behaviour in women is liberated and ‘a good thing’. Very odd.

  • EF

    I have to admit I totally agree with this article. Still Cosmo may find it tricky hooking up with any more nice middle-aged mums after this piece.

  • A Free Man

    ‘it goes out of fashion and looses its appeal and audience’

    Dear god, I’ve read a lot of comments from people in BTL section who write looses when they mean loses, but this is the first time I’ve seen it written by a professional writer and presumably okayed by a professional editor.

    Spelling is so passe, is it not Cosmo?

  • robinspat

    What BS ‘You’re… bald!’ man, I don’t believe a word you write this far post the 1960s! Guessing you’re still a wham bam man. Doubtless you’re proud of your incompetance at cunnilingus to boot, crawl back under a rock in your cave you dinosaur, how dare you levy casually paedophilia as your argument in support. Crap piece, and they paid you for this?

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    “It’s not just the young whose expectations of sex are warped by dirty videos online”
    Use of the word “dirty” is the real clue here, Indicative of a Victorian mind set, right Cosmo? Or don’t you write the by-lines?

  • Terry Field

    I am told by medical folk that male masturbation in the absense of a full and vigorous partnered sex-life acts to protect against prostate cancer in the male.

    • Oh it’s more prosaic even than that. It keeps the sperm fresh. Men don’t ‘understand’, or perceive, why they do it — but the urge (like the urge to sweep the floors or do the ironing) — isn’t about pleasure so much as the primitive prod to keep their stocks up to date.

  • Mukkinese

    The old “sex is evil” shtick still has legs I see…

  • Raurus Aran

    “What kind of man finds that attractive?, answer: the pedophiles.” Sorry, but you, sir, are wrong there, and I’m talking out of my own experience. I’ve always found shaved/depilated girls sexy, since the start of my sexual life. In fact, I find pubic hair disgusting. Still I do not find children sexy at all. And I know many people with these same likes.

  • styopa

    “Weeks later we ended up in bed” … forgive me for wondering whether you wrote the whole article just in order to include those words (and quite a few more in similar vein). Isn’t that a form of porn? – we could call it “Spectator porn”. Needless to say that said mag didn’t fail to come up with a mildly titillating image to accompany the words. Meanwhile, for readers of more enlightened publications, the notion that pornography of various kinds has debased and peverted people’s expectations of actual sexual intimacy is not exactly startling news. Whoever imagined that people over some particular age were immune?

  • pastordavidrn

    Porn, like prostitution, treats people as worthless—“worth less” than personhood deserves. The preservation of human dignity (and integrity) demands embracing the reality that beauty of sexual form follows beauty of sexual function. Only a shallow society reverses these, as we have, exploiting form as an object for self-gratification while ignoring or trivializing the ultimate function of sexuality. So called “primitive” cultures—generally surpassing the West in sophistication and longevity—don’t do this. With greater cultural maturity, they know it takes a village to raise a child. We forgot this fact in our mad rush to idolize individualism to the point of social suicide. As family, tribe and nation morally deteriorate, some asinine pseudo-intellectuals dare call this “modern progress” and “sexual freedom.” (pastordavidrn.blogspot.com)

    • You lost me with the rejection-quote primitive cultures and the subsequent guff. Also, I feel that individualism is precisely what’s under attack by the Left, even as I believe in the common good.

  • BVSXDJXXXX

    Whoa, so women who wax their vaginas are catering to pedophiles and men who shave their pubes are gay??? What the fuck

  • baki

    Porn is good if necessary, pointless to deny it, but only idiots living on it. But everyone has the right to be an idiot. Don’t try to build heaven outside, it is an utopy, make heaven inside and live according to this

  • Rillian

    Yeah because sex was never really a thing before the internet came along was it?….

  • pp22pp

    I’m middle class and so are most of my friends. This is not the sort of thing we talk about. Really it isn’t. Must be a London thing.

  • David Paxton

    “Do we really want a generation of forty/fifty-something women whose idea of emotional intimacy is anal sex?”

    Given the choice… Yes. Please.

  • johnjan

    But it’s very difficult to others when they hooked up in porn addiction, they just don’t notice it at first and then they tend to think of it every time and that’s were the problem will start, well it happen to me. Good thing is a friend of mine told to me to take a look on site greatnessahead.com and because I follow the program it help me stop my addiction in online porn.

  • DynamiteDan

    You lost me at ‘Class’ so is it only a problem if the middle classes like to spice up their sex lives but you dont care about the working class? please…

    Also, how about you grow a pair and be a bit less censorious. Society changes, people changes, stop living in the past and wanting everyone else to do the same.

  • DFCtomm

    Cosmo is a clueless white knight, and he seems to know little about porn or middle age dating. Women aren’t being pressured by husbands or lovers. They are being pressured by the cougar sitting beside them eyeing the same piece of man candy they are, and if they want the candy then they have to out perform her. Why are they both after a very limited number of prime males? It’s because they are secured by jobs, or alimony and child support. There is no practical reason for them to settle, so they don’t. If you can’t roll with the big cougars then stay married.

  • bluuplanet

    I have shaved my face for most of my life. I had a full beard in the ’70s, but got past that.

    So, what’s the difference between shaving your face, shaving arm pits, shaving legs and shaving pubes?

    None. It comes with social exposure and the expectation for pubes to be seen. There are social pressures, of course, that expand acceptance.

    So, epilation is just a tangent to a cul-de-sac in the discussion of the effects of porn.

    It will go away when the social exposure of the nether regions becomes uninteresting and passe, not because old folks have taken up the practice.
    I think the practice will be around awhile.

    There are a lot more pressing discussions to be had on the effects of porn and its affect on society.

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  • Peter_qld

    You must go to very different dinner parties to those I attend. Never of mention of porn, bushes trimmed or otherwise, anal sex, or anything remotely like that. Mind you, if you’ve got a spare chair at one of yours, I;d be happy to fill it!! Just for research purposes of course.

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    Over three weeks, already: This story is so past its sell by date.

  • Mukkinese

    “Societies anxieties about internet porn” are mostly in the fevered imaginations of the chatterati…

  • Veck Torr

    In some related video, we find that another one of Obama’s mysterious relatives has come forward: http://youtu.be/62vKSi_GPTM?t=36s

  • Cain Abel

    Yeah!
    Another moral panic!
    Bring it on!

  • Zimbalist

    I think it’s best to take the LONG TERM view on these things. And by long term, I mean the ETERNAL view.

    Only a completely pure soul will get to see the face of God.

    If you die with an unclean soul, you will either go through a painful cleansing process before entering Heaven or you will consider that your actions throughout your life have been so contrary to the Will of God that you will consider that the only JUST penalty is eternal separation from God. In other words, you will consign yourself to Hell.

    So, in the context of porn, it all boils down to one question: IS IT COMPATIBLE WITH THE WILL OF GOD?

    I don’t think it is. Those closest to God in this life do not think it is.

    Then friends, why store up eternal trouble for yourself? You WILL die one day – it could be tomorrow, next year or in 40 years. But you WILL die.

    Turn away from porn before it turns your soul to cinders. CONSIDER THE LONG GAME !!!

    • Andrew Morton

      “IS IT COMPATIBLE WITH THE WILL OF GOD?I don’t think it is.”
      So these are your thoughts alone because I’m sure god doesn’t talk to anyone let alone you.
      “You WILL die one day.”
      If I am going to die then I would like to enjoy myself before my light dims forever. I emphasise forever. There is no after light so to speak.

  • sulbernick

    “You can hear it in the way they talk.” You can see it in the way they walk.

  • Jakeal

    I stopped looking at porn after curiously listening to a 12 step sex podcast on a christian website. It’s all about perspective. Porn (novelty sex) is a social disease as bad as smoking, drinking and drugs IMHO.

  • I don’t think you can say only paedophiles prefer a waxed vagina. From a woman’s perspective its certainly tidier (you can choose any knickers/bikini briefs and not worry) and less irritating – hair itches and chafes, smooth is therefore the way to go. It has also almost eradicated pubic lice. From my perspective, I developed early and by 8 had a full bush of (natural) dark hair. I shaved this off around the start of secondary school as none of my friends had any pubes. Therefore, my association of pubic hair is with childhood – I did not have a bald fanny for much of my (remembered) childhood. So I say, each to their own! What I did was not for pornification reasons so who knows why the individual chooses to remove hair (and who cares!! Its personal!!) After all, we don’t accuse a man who is with a flat chested woman of being a paedo!!

  • jmg

    “It’s said by professional trend-watchers that whenever older people take up a practice that was once the prerogative of the young, it goes out of fashion and looses [sic] its appeal and audience.”… Cosmo Landesman. [Reader’s Note: I realize that the ability to spell properly in one’s own “native” language (I assume) is quite near the verge of extinction, but I hadn’t known it was as close to the precipice as this, especially in the land that invented English!].

  • Kent Frost

    Thanks for sharing your disgust of the human body and adult sexual behaviour with the world. I can’t believe this was published. “You want the bourgeoisie to be bourgeois” – Good for you.

    • Yet another Ardipithecus ramidus before they mastered tools. The bizarreness is all yours, baby.

      • Kent Frost

        Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish.
        -Euripides

        You could have called me a “monkey” but you’re too much of a bourgeois pseudo-intellectual. You win.

        • I bet you had to look it up. Nothing pseudo about me, honey-chops.

          • Kent Frost

            Honey-chops. Sounds tasty. So you’re against men and women shaving their genitals…cool, I still don’t understand your love of this old bag speaking out against people getting off…

          • Kent Frost

            Oh yes and I bow before your mega-awesome knowledge of monkeys.

          • Very wise. Mine is all academic, mind you. I save the hands-on for my beautiful dog.

      • Kent Frost

        And I restate… his problem with other people getting off IS in fact bizarre. Shaving your crotch isn’t some sort of offense… its what people are doing at this time. Go back to your tea party where you can discuss more of the fancy-ass BS you just dropped in order to somehow refute me. You’re brilliant! Go for the crumpets while they’re still fresh!

  • Paolo Moleman

    Sad empty lives.

  • Reddy

    Utter, sheer, unsupportable drivel. Not to mention the purely documentary, subjective, narrow and personal manner of “reporting”. The porn industry is a good target though, because its position is seen as indefensible. Well, I completely disagree. You are a prudish malcontent who obviously had no idea what to write so hashed out a slam article for a target who can’t defend itself. Hear hear for free speech, but that goes both ways, so I say get a socially scientific perspective and demonstrate even an iota of critical faculty before your next deadline Cosmo.

    • Cosmopolitian is prudish? You must be joking. The man has no standards at all. And you are a complete Neanderthal. Never mind, I’m drinking good stuff: works like garlic on idiot commentators. Cheers!

  • EZEEEEEEEE

    I like porn.

    There, I said it.

    • That’s like saying you smell and have chronic athlete’s foot. Care to revise your statement?

  • EZEEEEEEEE

    I had a rather odd experience involving porn. I was with a former beauty contest semi finalist (yay me!) and she insisted I watched porn on my iPad while she did pleasant stuff to me. I was of the opinion that since she was a real live human female (yay me!) that I didn’t care to watch porn, but she was a high strung high maintenance type that got mad if she didn’t get her way, so I relented and watched porn while she did pleasant stuff to me.

    People are odd.

    • So you’ve used a prostitute. How wonderful.

      Next!

  • Kaine

    Gay men stopped doing the hairless thing about 2 years ago.

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    One month now. What’s the record for keeping a salacious story front and centre?
    300 up.

    • Yeah, it’s kind of shameful, I think. As Top Civilization Ever (and I’m not winking), we should be better than this sort of thing.

  • Bilwick

    Most women I know, although not as into porn as men, are okay with it and even like it in small doses. They seem fine to me.

    • Mark me as an exception. The women you know are not women I’d want to know.

      • Bilwick

        Well, we’ll all try to survive. Since you don’t know any of my female friends, and since by the number of your comments here, you seem kind of obsessed by porn, you may be the kind of narrow-minded person they wouldn’t want to know either. The women I know are all intelligent, independent-minded and cultured, so maybe that wouldn’t be a circle you’d be comfortable moving in.

        • ‘Obsessed by porn’? Heh heh heh. Who’s making assumptions? Actually I get a lot of responses and I consider it polite and sociable to respond. Hence the number of my posts on this thread. Hence my response now to you. Did you catch my reply to the chap that wanted to discuss the morality? No, didn’t think so.

  • Henry Vandenburgh

    Crazy. The British have always been like this. Kinky Albion.

  • Henry Vandenburgh

    Crazy. The British have always been like this. Kinky Albion.

  • LordJustin

    So-called “internet porn addiction”, like its sister pseudo-syndrome “sex addiction”, is just another media-peddled myth to terrorise us into fearing the modern world.

    The media have always gloried in any myth that makes the media seem more powerful, more influential, more scary, than anyone or anything else. It makes them people to reckon with, people to negotiate with. But that rarely makes what they preach even remotely true. And the myth of “internet porn addiction” is the media lying to full capacity.

    People have always been interested in erotica (I use the word not because porn sounds “tacky”, but because the term porn imports a value judgment intended to sway an argument, whereas erotica is merely descriptive). The only likely result of being able to access it to order, free of charge, is a more rapid onset of boredom and return to more traditional forms of entertainment. When Sweden opened the “porn” floodgates by removing all censorship, within months the locals were satiated, and even the tourists lost interest after a year or so, with the result that the industry died a natural and quiet death. The same will happen to internet sources.

    • authentic8

      The sharp rise of “Internet porn addiction” and “sex addiction” cases actually came about through numbers of people self-reporting and not through coverage in the mainstream media which has, in fact, been slow to pick up on it (although, of course with such things, there is a burst of coverage at certain points in time when a celebrity confesses it). Articles on the topic in the mainstream media, at least from my UK perspective, are rare enough to demonstrate it is not a media-led phenomenon. In my experience of reading health and psychology publications regularly, the mainstream media has lagged behind by many years.

      I just did (filtered) Web searches on “sex addiction” and “Internet porn addiction” – again from a UK perspective which affects the results. For the first term, the first 10 results came from health and psychology publications and the second 10 results were mostly from newspaper publications; usually including at least one psychologist who acknowledges the existence of these addictions, and the general tone was neutral. One newspaper article was dismissive of sex addiction but was an opinion piece. The search for “Internet porn addiction” (which came up with results mostly for “Internet addiction” probably because of the filter) gave similar results for the first 10, but no mainstream news publications results in the top 20 results.

      I don’t know where you get the notion of the media being the way you describe, other than it fits a chosen narrative.

      Regarding Sweden, while I am sure there was a surge of use which went back to normal within a few months/years, but all journal and University publications I found within the first 10 results of searching “porn use in Sweden” showed very similar usage to other Western countries and highlighted the same problems resulting from its use. (Let’s not forget the massive amount of child pornography produced in Sweden as a result of the legal relaxations).

      In the case of the Internet, the floodgates have pretty much been opened for over 10 years already and “normal” has become what would previously have been considered “extreme”. The narratives you have created or adopted, in every example you gave, do not appear to be accurate.

  • Steve Rudd

    <>

    Bring it on.

  • Kenneth O’Keeffe

    A (gay) friend of mine enjoyed anal sex (he just couldn’t help himself – and liked to talk about it – which was terribly unfortunate). Recently, he was diagnosed with bowel cancer. At least he had the self-awareness to comment “nature sometimes has a way of working things out”. A disgusting, unnatural practice. What is the obsession with it? it’s dirty, unhygenic and all that ‘disturbance’ may well create the conditions in which cancer can develop. Why not be a traditionalist?!

  • CazzT

    You destroyed your entire article with this one line:
    “What sort of man finds that sexy? Answer: paedophiles.”

    All points you wanted to make became pointless in the face of such extreme absurdity. Rarely do I see an author of any kind completely invalidate everything they’ve said so entirely with such little effort.

    That statement is as ignorant and bigoted (not a word I use lightly) as anything that Liberals puke out. You should be ashamed of yourself.

  • Lee Christmas

    Here we find yet another example of a delusional mulatto engaged in violence against civilization: http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/16673/

  • picquet

    So…. did you?

  • ballboygirl

    I liked this article but I don’t see anyone address the issues in the comments. As a single middle-aged woman (though I don’t feel middle-aged!) who never watches porn – as I’m too busy and not interested, I still find and read, endlessly that women should be ‘shaved’ and be prepared for anal sex. I thought this was due to the gayification of life if nothing else – gay men imposing their values on the straight community and being, basically -vagina-haters. I certainly seem to read only about shaved pussies and anal sex for straight couples. If that’s liberation, I’d rather be old fashioned. But there’s a good point to be made about folk condemning pedophilia whilst men and women basically want women to look like little girls, take it up the arse and be thus subjected to male domination. Good Grief. So THATS what feminism was for?

  • P_Ang

    Gross

  • Ahnon IMaus

    Brazilian wax ?

    Dude really?

    Did you never hear about lazer treatments?

  • Nicholas I

    “Do we really want a generation of forty/fifty-something women whose idea of emotional intimacy is anal sex?” – Funniest thing I’ve read in ages.

    What is this queer obsession with the anus/rectum though?

  • Nicholas I

    Stupid article. Illustrated with porn. An interesting topic, that should be dealt with seriously. The real problem is jew control of media, especially in the US.

  • SimonNorwich

    Rather strange a writer who “ends up in bed” with people and seems to have sex at the drop of a hat – “the FIRST time I saw the shaved pudenda of a woman over 40…now it’s the norm” – being all prudish and making moral judgements about other people’s sexual habits.

  • pornography effects our generating badly…it should be banned from internet..

    Ware Taxis

  • helmckie mcdonald

    What a load of BULL the cow must be getting the UDDER no creaming there then

  • Clive

    Working Class porn stars! I was worried this article was another all Working Class people are Thick, Criminals generally bad sorts, which In my case might be not far off.
    There is Nothing worse than people assuming they are qualified to talk about something they have little knowledge off.
    As am working class and have been using porn since my teens I know a fair bit about the scene now being 50. I know of a few middle class women who have been viewing online porn and my advice to them is don’t overdo the viewing and never use it as a substitute for real intimacy. The more you view the more you find you need to find something you haven’t seen before, to keep that buzz – once you have seen a few 20 guy bukkakes etc.

    Threw years of reading, viewing porn etc, the one thing I do know is that most of the best real sex goes on in Middle class circles, whether it be swinging, swapping, dogging, orgies, BDSM etc., the only difference now is that people who indulge in such things feel the need to tell everyone who will listen what they get up to and this is probably the fact that porn had become more mainstream and if everyone is discussing stuff you actually do, then there must be that urge to shout” Hey we do that, have been for years”.
    I agree that 50 Shades is tame, but then it’s meant to be a proper novel with a few naughty bits thrown in, where as “Judith Boston” is a bit more proper porn.
    As for working class porn stars, a lot of porn stars are well educated and so more middle class I would say.

    Anyway I am all for a lady who thinks a strap on would be great addition to the bedroom.

  • Charles

    You’ve been able to either go to a cinema or rent/buy porn films for years. The Windmill was showing “porn” before the last war. There is nothing new in it. I must say that the writer of this article is a either a prude or a closet porn reader.

    • La Fold

      Ahhh Sohos finest purveyor of the old willie thorn.

  • Unbelievable!

    Cosmo, I’m not sure that your promiscuity is better than their pornification…

    A life-long romance is the ultimate sexual relationship!

  • I defy anyone here to define ‘prude’. Go on: try it!

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  • Torybushhug

    My Brother, recently divorced
    on realising one of his dates fell on Valentines night panicked as he’s a bit
    short of cash due to the divorce, so asked what he intended after a moments
    thought he said ‘oh I know I’ll treat her to anal’.

  • imaginary

    The fact that you refer to a woman’s genitals as her “pudenda” speaks volumes. You might dislike shaved genitals but to compare those who do to paedophiles is ridiculous. Anyone would imagine from your shrill denunciation that pubic hairstyles were a form of genital mutilation, rather than a matter of personal preference.

  • Franco

    A lot of good points, I’m just sorry for the stupid stereotype about latent paedophilia and penchant for shaved pubis. I had always been a fan of the bush then, after having a couple of ‘waxed’ girlfriends, I got used to it and then found it difficult to come back to the old habits. A shaved pubis is more hygienical and more comfortable to perform oral sex on. It’s simple as that. And when I have my head between a woman’s thights, hair or no hair, little girls are the last thing I’m going to think about.

  • Porn is Jewish-owned and promotes the racial-sexual superiority of black men over white men. It celebrates the surrender of white women to black studs. This is what defeated and wimpy white boys yank their puds to. They now enjoy their women preferring male members of another race who are deemed to be racially-sexually superior in bed. Interracism is racism. It’s not about going beyond race but about preferring another race that is deemed to be superior athletically, physically, and sexually.

    You white boys are pathetic loser sexual slaves to black men who now own white women.

    • La Fold

      Greatest piece of satire on the interweb…I hope.

  • Anal ‘sex’ is fecal penetration. Who wants his penis smeared with fecal matter??

    Yechh.

  • This is the most outstanding bit of literate societal truth I’ve ever read in the mainstream media. Porn = sexual repression. Shaved pubes = sexual regression. You think it’s bad in Britain? x1000 here in the colonies. The funniest thing I’ve learned this past year? All the BDSM/SM stuff – which I never was interested in, but respected for what I presumed to be its sexually liberating tilt – is actually right-wing conservatism in the bedroom. That’s right – that shit is for (mostly) women who want to be controlled by men (but paid a fair wage will being rammed from behind). Add our penchant for youth (how come there’s no program here called “No Fat Angry Middle-aged Ho Left Behind?) and you’ve got one seriously fucked up “New World”.

  • That’s a real shame though, isn’t it?
    “I want the bourgeoisie to be bourgeois — repressed, hypocritical,
    moralistic — and not all tolerant and transgressive.” It’s the current
    state of affairs well-summarized: meet the limitations of everyone’s
    imagination that has folks claiming we either we live in a pornified
    world or we are intolerant, moralistic, repressed morons. I’d like to
    think there is SO much more! We have so MANY options outside those two
    and it’s possible to be neither moralistic-anti-sex-repressed nor
    pornified.

    The part about the article that’s the most
    interesting – and wrong – even though a lot of people think that way:
    the author says about the shaved child-like pubes that the men who want
    to see them are pedophiles. Now, even though they seek out what we would
    refer to as sex with a child these men aren’t necessarily pedophiles.
    It’s true that “teen porn” is always one of the top three most searched
    for terms and desensitization is probably to blame for people who
    consume a lot of porn wanting both harder-and-harder and
    younger-and-younger as they are less aroused over time. But many of
    those men, including men convicted of having had sex with, i.e. raped a
    minor, don’t actually have the clinical profile of a pedophile.

    The
    question now is what to make of that. I’d like to think that the porn
    industry distorts the sexual template of regular boys and men in a way
    that some lose their good judgment (and more so the younger the boys are
    when the industry first gets to them because their perception of
    sexuality gets molded by porn-sex). Over time, these boys become
    desensitized and bored and one look at what’s current in mainstream porn
    assures us that the viewers are spoonfed that it’s okay to have sex
    with children.

    Have a look at the 2002 case Ashcroft vs the Free
    Speech Coalition (aka the porn industry): in it pornographers won the
    right to depict “what appear to be children” without falling into the
    bracket of producing what is defined as child pornography. We have since
    witnessed the advent and massive success story of teen porn: the
    18-yr-old (maybe!) who is made to look like she is 13, lounging around
    on a pink bed with disney princess bedlinen, sucking a lollipop and
    hugging a teddy. The industry also ventured deep into the development
    and advancement of technology around extremely sophisticated 3-D
    animated child porn. The worst i’ve seen in the animated genre – I
    believe it was in the documentary on the porn industry “The Price of
    Pleasure” – shows an absolutely real-looking blond, pretty
    toddler pinned to a wall with chains, screaming and terrified, while she
    is sexually abused. Depictions like these are legal, and in line with
    the first amendment it seems. It looks like our right to free speech has
    afforded us the right to abuse women and children with impunity.

    Legal
    are also the countless pre-teen-model sites. I’ve reported many when i
    first came across them and received replies from the head of the child
    porn department in an intelligence agency: he said that since the
    toddler was in a diaper, or the little girl had underwear on, even
    though she had her legs spread and her hand on her pubic area, the
    images did not constitute cases of child porn. This shit is legal! Here
    is an article from the nyt, from 2006:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/20/business/20model.html?pagewanted=all&_r=3&amp;
    and as you can imagine the world has since progressed…

    NCMEC
    reviewed 17.3 million images and videos of suspected child pornography
    in its victim identification program in 2011 — nearly 4000% more than in
    2007.
    (http://www.wearethorn.org/child-trafficking-statistics/#sthash.lFHzc29j.dpuf
    ). We can’t conclude that this means there is an increase in child sex
    trafficking (it may be that the existing cases get reported more often).
    But it’s widely confirmed that on average the age of entry into
    prostitution is 12-14yrs old. What does this tell us about our johns’
    sexual preferences?!

    How do i get from
    shaved pubes to child porn? Let’s say shaved pubes are the icing on the
    cake (the porn industry is going to love this comparison — I might
    even get quoted in XBIZ!). And we wouldn’t have one without the other.

    Sorry-
    I feel like the party-pooper for the 18th time this week! I blow the
    fun out of even a piece of satire that comes along lightheartedly. You
    cannot understand the porn industry that’s driving all this and stay
    lighthearted. It’s impossible. The author of this article is poking
    around on the surface of a much larger problem. Who cares about shaved
    pubes?! I’m not saying it’s irrelevant; but the author fails to put
    into context how shaved pubes map onto the culture we live in which
    renders the pseudo social analysis here useless. It’s unfortunate,
    because there is so much more to look at. But it would require that we
    leave the bourgeouis cocktail party.

  • Charlotte Blackwood

    On a related note, we find union agitator Michael Mulgrew, of the UFT, preaching violence against those who oppose central education planning: http://bit.ly/1szlhk9

  • James

    For me, Farage is porn.

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