Television

Isn’t it puke-inducing being lectured about poverty by millionaire comics?

Jo Brand and Omid Djalili (of BBC4’s anti-austerity comedy Going Forward) should try watching Addicted to Sheep, which is so politically incorrect I’m surprised it hasn’t got an 18 certificate

28 May 2016

9:00 AM

28 May 2016

9:00 AM

Going Forward (BBC4, Thursdays) is a BBC comedy about the continuing adventures of Kim Wilde, the fat, cynical but lovable nurse character played by former nurse Jo Brand. Now she has quit the NHS and is working in the private sector for a company called Buccaneer 2000 — which is, of course, exactly what a healthcare company would call itself in order to allay potential criticisms that it was backward-looking, heartless and rapacious.

This is one of the series’ big problems. It wants to be naturalistic, almost fly-on-the-wall, observational comedy, with the dog wandering casually in and out, and parents and kids saying just the kind of things we all do in real life. But it just can’t resist sneaking in the sledgehammer in order slyly to bash you over the head with anti-austerity politics so strident they make John McDonnell sound like Ayn Rand.

Poor old people get terrible bed sores. Some old people are so poor they can’t afford to buy postage stamps for the birthday cards of the son who never visits them. Oh and by the way, it’s a racist misconception that all old people from the Indian subcontinent have tight family groups capable of caring for them. You can just imagine the BBC’s commissioning editors whipping themselves into a frenzy of virtuous ecstasy as they came upon each of these incisive observations in the script, probably pinning on a gold star like they do at primary school every time a ‘student’ mentions Mary Seacole.


But what about the rest of us, sitting at home, wanting a bit of entertainment? Do we get any say in this? And isn’t there something ever so slightly puke-inducing at being given moral lectures by comics who — thanks in good part to their cosy, symbiotic relationship with the showbiz NHS that is the BBC — earn in a year a good three or four times what even the Prime Minister does? Couldn’t they just lay off the politics, once in a while, and try working on the comedy?

Tell you what you should watch, though, if you haven’t already: Addicted to Sheep (on BBC4 catch-up). It’s a documentary about sheep farming in the north Pennines, briefly shown in cinemas last year, and is so politically incorrect I’m surprised it wasn’t classified as right-wing hardcore porn and slapped with an 18 certificate.

Some examples: smiling, happy children — all of them white — being taught to sing ‘All Things Bright and Beautiful’ at their primary school; children being raised in an environment consisting almost entirely of health-and-safety risks — butting rams, freezing cold, quad bikes, slurry; children exposed to violent death (stillborn lambs) and dismemberment (a turkey being dressed in front of them by their mother). You really don’t need government directives or handouts to lead an enjoyable, fulfilled life (it didn’t need to tell us, preferring merely to frame the shot and let the subject speak for itself), only to be hardworking, self-reliant and positive.

Apart from the amazing travelling X-ray machine that the farmers use to check whether their ewes (‘yows’ as they pronounce them) are pregnant, the world depicted in Magali Pettier’s remarkable, beautiful, affecting film probably hasn’t changed much since the Middle Ages.

It focuses on Tom, a tenant farmer who, as the title says, really is addicted to sheep — in this case the pleasure of selectively breeding Swaledales in order to get the best possible price for them at market and the challenge of keeping them alive when, as Tom says, all any sheep wants to do from the moment it’s born is to kill itself as quickly as possible.

Living, as I do, surrounded by these incredibly stupid creatures, I know whereof Tom speaks. Lambing season makes Game of Thrones look like Mary Poppins: lambs with their eyes pecked out by ravens; lambs half-eaten by the fox as they emerge from the womb; a lamb caught in the fence, parched to death, just tantalising inches away from the stream that must have made its last hours an agony. As with the farming parents in that documentary, I’m delighted when my kids see this stuff, because I want them to know where meat comes from and to liberate them from any squeamishness or animal-rights nonsense they might pick up from our decadent, ignorant culture. Addicted to Sheep should be shown in all schools and screened every night as an antidote to made-for-townies-by-townies drivel like Countryfile. Millionaire Jo Brand and her millionaire co-star Omid Djalili should watch it too. There’s lots of poverty in it: real poverty. I’m sure they’d find it very edifying.

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Show comments
  • King Zog

    Yan Tan Tethera Methara Pump.

    • davidofkent

      The remnants of Brythonic Celtic are everywhere aren’t they. Yours was the Cumbrian sheep-counting dialect, was it not. I believe that Kernow is also making a come-back.

      • King Zog

        Indeed. I first came across that one in Harrison Birtwistle’s opera Yan Tan Tethera. I was struck how similar it was to the Welsh numerical names (un, dau, tri, pedwar, pump). And a little further investigation revealed the Celtic influence across England’s north to be very strong.

    • Sue Smith

      That doesn’t sound esoteric or provincial, or anything.

      • King Zog

        As davidofkent identified, it’s from the Cumbrian dialect, derived from Old Welsh, used when counting sheep. Less esoterically: ‘One, two, three, four, five’.

        • Sue Smith

          An opera is made from this? Destined to garner a HUGE audience. Not.

          • King Zog

            Baaaah humbug.

          • Sue Smith

            Yes, that’s the sequel!!

        • CRSM

          Now widely known about from Terry Pratchett’s “Tiffany Aching” sub-set of Discworld books.

          • King Zog

            Don’t talk to me about subsets.

          • logdon

            Come on.

            In todays, all things are equal society, where even winning and losing has blurred into a miasma of mulchy nothingness, there is no such thing as a subset.

            No set must dominate the other therefore sub is settist hate speech.

    • CRSM

      You learned to count then?

      • King Zog

        Yes, but I’m doing it the other way around. I started off with advanced Set Theory (waaaaaaay beyond Cantor’s Theorem), and worked my way back from there. It’s funny, I was just saying to Nicky Bourbaki the other day that… oh, never mind.

  • davidshort10

    The only response to the headline is ‘Yes’. We could add of course that they would be nowhere near millionaires if the BBC did not exist. Many not so rich but still comfortably off people, such as Will Self, would be living in a cardboard box.

  • Teacher

    Quite right. Nothing wrong with poverty. I was very poor growing up especially after my mother left my father and had to have two jobs to keep my sister and me. Reading and snobbery saved me. I wouldn’t have touched a free school meal ticket for anything and I used to make the poor council workers who turned up on the door to tell us how unfortunate we were living in damp, substandard accommodation a nice cup of tea and tell them to cheer up. Poverty is in the head and, while we didn’t have any spare money, I was never poor.

    • davidshort10

      We also scorned free school dinner tickets although we were entitled. We were too ashamed because they had FREE printed in bold letters. No need for it of course but that was in the days of we tell you what to do and if you don’t like it, eff off. Other examples were hideous NHS children’s spectacle frames that looked awful and caused sticky out ears, so kids suffered with poor eyesight, and NHS dentists who were paid more to pull teeth than mend them. The first time a friend of mine went to the dentist in the US, the dentist was as shocked as if he had been subject to torture.

      • Andrew Cole

        My kids don’t have free school meals. Not even my 4 year old who the champions in Westminster think should all have hot meals foisted on them until the age of 6 ruining their appetite for the evening meal around the table.

        Luckily she insisted after a couple of weeks that she wants to “eat a pack up like my Brothers do” and now every Mum in her class hates me because their kids want to “eat a pack up like [my daughter] does.

    • davidofkent

      Well said.

    • Sue Smith

      Don’t tell me they ‘licked lake clean’ or ‘lived in a shoe-box’!!!

      But, seriously, poverty isn’t necessarily in the head (Read “Angela’s Ashes”) – but it’s certainly possible to outgrow poverty and move on with life. I taught kids who knew they were destined to rise above council housing, dysfunctional parenting and poverty. There were quite a few success stories and – you know what – teachers had a LOT to do with it!!

      • Teacher

        Well, I also becamea teacher so I’d have to agree. However, in order to do so, I had to fight hard against a lot of aggressively ‘stuck down’ resistance as peers and their parents took offence that I was ‘moving out’. There was much talk of, ‘You don’t want to do that.’ E.g., become stuck up.

        • gunnerbear

          I have a lot of sympathy for teachers….after all they had (and have) to teach people like me….I think I just sort of drifted through school….not being terrible, not being brilliant…just sort of drifted through….

  • ReefKnot

    I believe it was the millionaire socialist Jo Brand who snitched on Carole Thatcher when she referred to somebody as having ” hair like a Golly” and proudly got her the sack from the BBC.

    • Sue Smith

      Nastiness is the deep-seated trait of most luvvies because resentment is the oil in their engines. They think they should be at the top of the pecking order, not those who have money and belong to the establishment. Nobody will ever notice these individuals unless they behave just like clowns. In Brand’s case I think it’s her resentment at having to do this to garner any attention at all which is at the heart of her, er, ideology. Surely she is related to the execrable Russell? If not by name, then certainly be inclination.

      Well, Jo, so long as the ‘establishment’ provides the economic power, jobs and growth you might as well talk to the hand. Oh, what’s that you say; you already are?

      • Stephen Whitaker

        We are still waiting for the British ‘establishment’ to provide the economic power, jobs and growth for British industry instead of selling it off to China and Japan.

      • logdon

        These luvvies refer to the rest of us as ‘civilians’.

        The pomposity and acting is like war delusion shows just how these cretins really think.

    • Mr B J Mann

      Rumour had it that she overheard the conversation in which Thatch Jnr was trying to identify a tennis player she liked, but whose name escaped her, and finally referred to his very distinguishing hairstyle, which happened to be identical to that of her much loved favourite childhood toy.

      As this was in a private room on the other side of the world to where the player was at the time, he would never have had the opportunity to be “offended” if Brand hadn’t kindly taken offence on his behalf, and got it splashed across the world’s papers!

      But what is really ironic is that at about the same time Brand had publicly mocked and ridiculed the aged and sick mother of the person whose career she had ended, and not only had the BBC broadcast this offensive verbal assault, but repeated it a couple of times over the next week or two!?!?!?!

      Funny thing, PC!

      • will91

        Exactly, Brand remarked on an episode of QI “It was great, actually, when she became Lady Thatcher, because then she sounded like a device for removing pubic hair”.

        What a delightful little quip from Brand regarding a frail old woman.

        • Anglian Reed

          There has been even more ‘tasteful humour’ on QI directed at Margaret Thatcher, this time from the congenitally charmless Jeremy Hardy (and others)…

          Jeremy Hardy : “Thatcher’s grave is going to be a permanent urinal to all decent people, isn’t it? There will be…”

          Stephen Fry : “Won’t it be a . . . in fact, a dance floor?”

          Alan Davies : “What they should put on Thatcher’s grave is one of those arcade machines where the lights flash up and you have to put your feet on the lights.”

          https://sites.google.com/site/qitranscripts/transcripts/1×09

          Nice people, lefties. It’s because they care more.

          • Mr B J Mann

            She should have been buried at sea:

            That wud’ve lerned all them lefties who planned to dance on er grave!

      • Stephen Whitaker

        Funny thing about being PC is that it even includes the right to be offended by slurs on Mrs Thatcher, the Monarchy, Patriotism, Our Boys, etc, etc. You too have your own Politically Correct code .

        • Mr B J Mann

          So the BBC sacked Brand too?!

        • Mr B J Mann

          No, the funny thing is the BBC didn’t sack Brand for offensive slurs on Mrs Thatcher:

          They *re-ran* her show *twice* more over the next week or two!

          *THAT’S* the “funny” thing about PC!

          People have the right to be offended by slurs on Mrs Thatcher, the Monarchy, Patriotism, Our Boys, etc, etc.

          But they haven’t got the right to complain about it.

          Never mind get the offender sacked!

          So, yes, they too have their own Politically Correct code:

          But the PC crowd have their own Politically Correct
          *LEGAL* *PENAL* Code!

        • logdon

          No it doesn’t. You fall at the first hurdle and from then on your proposition is meaningless.

  • Steve Mc

    I thought Jo Brand was too busy appearing on every single panel game show on the BBC to do anything else? Maybe Romesh Ranganathan is taking up the slack by becoming as annoyingly ubiquitous – for no apparent reason other than being on the BBC list of approved “comedians”.

    • Steve Mc

      Has she ever been same in the same room as John Sergeant?

      • greencoat

        Could she be even uglier on the inside? See below – it seems so.

        • Sue Smith

          She cannot help her appearance, but she can help being uncouth and foul-mouthed and terribly terrible unattractive as a human being. I agree with Confucius: “When in big hole, stop digging”!!

          • logdon

            She could help her appearance by not being Gregg’s best friend.

  • davidofkent

    It seems that most successful ‘luvvies’ are left wing. That is very odd considering that their wealth comes from allowing people to choose what to view or see in the theatre. Of course these are the same people who parade themselves before the ‘media’ and rush to the courts when something ‘not-so-nice’ about them is about to be printed.

    • Sue Smith

      And considering that these same luvvies would all be part of a heirarchy of lower paid to higher paid workers/employees, with themselves nicely placed at the TOP.

      • Stephen Whitaker

        Considering that 90% of the acting trade are not working at that trade for most of their careers and when they do get on stage, in the West End for example £1000 a month is standard , it is silly to think that they are all nicely placed at the TOP..

        • Sue Smith

          You’ve missed the point entirely. They see themselves as the ‘intellectual and social elite’ because of their ‘impeccable luvvie’ credentials and far, far more worthy than the money grubbers!!

          • Stephen Whitaker

            Your point is that you believe a whole profession’s self-image is solely that of intellectual superiority? How very silly. Did Victoria Wood not display intelligence and an elite talent that elevated her place in society? Does Judi Dench flaunt her “luvvie” credentials and denigrate “money grubbers” , in fact who does? It may be beyond the you to credit others with sincere motives for opinions you do not share but a wholesale denial of respect for others’ right to an opinion based on their profession alone is small minded. In fact considering their contribution to our nation’s economy , the creative and interpretative arts must be as full of money grubbers as any other trade but no doubt you feel superior to them too.

          • polidorisghost

            “It may be beyond the you to credit others with sincere motives”

            Yep, beyond me too Stephen – when dealing with millionaires oozing “virtue”.

          • Stephen Whitaker

            Let’s all go back to the good old days when dealing with millionaires……………” Before the (First World) war the worship of money was entirely unreflecting and untroubled by any pang of conscience. The goodness of money was as unmistakable as the goodness of health or beauty, and a glittering car, a title or a horde of servants was mixed up in people’s minds with the idea of actual moral virtue.” Orwell.

          • polidorisghost

            When you resort to quoting Orwell in defence of this gang of bejewelled virtue strutters one can only laugh (As I am confident Orwell would have done).
            Words are cheap. When your chums actively pursue policies that cost them money I’ll take them seriously. In the meantime I’ll leave them to their Islington dinner parties.

          • Sue Smith

            There are plenty of political realists like Clint Eastwood who don’t see the need to pontificate and talk down to others because of the innate sense of superiority that they feel, so clearly not all in the arts are luvvies. But in advocating an opposing view to the majority and helping support minorities and putting them on a pedestal the luvvies are really saying, “you’ve had it your way too long; now we want society fashioned in our own image. And we are morally superior because we aren’t motivated by money…” yadda yadda.

            I’m over it. They’re hypocrites.

          • Stephen Whitaker

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=933hKyKNPFQ

            Clint Eastwood did a pretty good job of pontificating and talking down when he appeared at the 2012 Republican convention talking to an empty chair..

          • Sue Smith

            Yes, he was supporting the party – but he doesn’t LECTURE the community. That’s what the Left does best!!!

          • Stephen Whitaker

            Hair splitting; The Republican party is the same thing as the community in its own opinion. That’s why it wants to speak for the nation because that’s what the Right does best..

          • Sue Smith

            It’s much more clear than hair splitting and a completely separate issue. The Republicans DON’T PREACH. End of story. And now I’m bored with your denialism.

    • Mr B J Mann

      What’s even odder is that they, the nice, carey-sharey, bleedin-heart, woolley-liberals, from newsreaders and presenters, through comedians, to actors and musicians, get paid through, corporate structures, via tax reduction schemes, in tax havens, to, errrm, avoid even 40% tax.

      And yet they insist that the nasty, selfish, me me me, right wing, fasc!st, fat cats will pay more tax if the rate is increased to 45%, 50%, or even more.

      And they say that left wingers have higher IQs (even though there is no such thing as IQ?!?!?!)?!?!?!

      • balance_and_reason

        The old emma watson two step?

  • Frank

    Your fundamental mistake is to think that the BBC worries unduly about entertainment, it is basically devoted to propaganda. Addicted to Sheep was probably thought to be an ironic piece on thick peasants, so somehow got through to screen.

    • post_x_it

      “Getting On” was actually very funny. Nothing preachy or political about it. It was good entertainment.
      I haven’t seen “Going Forward”, and I probably won’t.

      • Frank

        Don’t recall “Getting on”, I will check it out.

  • Sanctimony

    What a hideous, self-righteous old bat…

  • Sue Smith

    Jo Brand; surely one of the most coarse and uncouth British exports currently available.

    • gunnerbear

      You’ve never drank Gordons Gin then…..

      • Sue Smith

        No, I’ve never DRUNK Gordon’s Gin. Or any Gin. Boring, aren’t I??

        • gunnerbear

          I can’t stand Gin either….!

    • post_x_it

      I didn’t realise she’d been exported. Good news, no?

      • Sue Smith

        She still lives in the UK but her work has been “exported” around the world via television and the internet.

  • Norton Folgate

    It’s pretty nauseating to be lectured by wealthy public figures at any time about anything: http://bit.ly/23ZtUTk

  • John Traynor

    Delingpole, like all right-wing professional trolls, is just a gimp of gangster financial terrorists.

    • Johnnydub

      Thats so brave.

      Long words from a man with the IQ of a toaster.

    • Alan Wharton

      A ‘trolling gimp’ eh? sounds great. Must get a few to feed the gnomes.

  • Jab

    Coarse, vulgar and not funny Brand is always on telly .I guess she can do the PC comedy that the BEEb inflicts on license payers , of which I am no longer a member.I watch dvd’s.

    • Stephen Whitaker

      If you no longer subscribe , how do you know what Brand does on telly? Prejudice in its literal sense.

      • Anglian Reed

        Perhaps witnessing Brand’s prema-presence on TV was one of the motivations to switch off.

      • Jab

        Because my mother has a tv and I often go there ,

  • Simon Fay

    I presume her range hasn’t broadened beyond deadpan commentary on the folly of others (usually male).

  • Twisted Root

    John Sergeant is not aeging well.

  • Mad Del doesn’t really understand “acting”, does he? It’s like saying a non Scot playing Macbeth should not be “lecturing Scotland”.

    • balance_and_reason

      you have missed the point…intentionally??

  • Joey Edgecombe

    Addicted to Sheep is available for a limited period I see…bet the Brand thing is on iplayer for ever…

    • uppitynorth

      Brilliant programme,wonderful people. Let’s hope there’s a follow up showing the children following in their parent’s footsteps.

  • putin

    Does anyone know if Jo Brand was a psychiatric nurse at all? It’s just that she hasn’t mentioned it for 5 minutes and I needed to be reminded. Fortunately all I have to do is watch her on something for a refresher which is obviously dead easy since she’s on every BBC panel show ever invented. Isn’t the BBC brilliant. I’d happily pay 10 times what I currently do the for the TV license voluntary tax (“pay up or go to prison”) if it would mean keeping the likes of Brand in clover all their lives. And that Lenny Henry too, he’s SO funny!

    • Stephen Whitaker

      I see you have traitorously adopted the name of a Russian leader who would undoubtedly serve you a radioactive cuppa if you expressed any opinion in his country…Such a British trait to admire strong foreign leaders who want to destroy our way of life .

      • Pete

        When did Putin wish to destroy our way of life?

  • FrankS2

    I watched a few minutes of it until I realised the ghastly Brand woman was in it. But why is the character named Kim Wilde? I wonder what the singer and TV gardener of the same name thinks about it.

    • Stephen Whitaker

      As they are friends and neighbours she probably appreciates the joke.

  • Miss Floribunda Rose

    Ms Brand has hair like a gollywog.

    • CRSM

      And a face like a ‘bag lady’.

      • alfredo

        That too.

    • alfredo

      Inherited, with other characteristics, by her illegitimate great-grandson Russell.

    • sebastian2

      The best you can say is that she has timeless appeal. Her face would stop a clock.

    • Stephen Whitaker

      And you have a sobriquet worthy of one of Richmal Crompton’s horrendous interfering aunts.

    • NickG

      I seem to remember the venal Brand shopping Carol Thatcher for using that non PC term in the Beeb Green room.

      • Miss Floribunda Rose

        Precisely.

  • Maureen Fisher

    I greatly admire psychiatric nurses as I have a relative with a severe psychiatric disorder so I am not averse to a programme showing the adversity suffered by both patients and nurses. Jo Brand was in fact a psychiatric nurse once so I don’t see what Delingpole is griping about. It’s like when occasionally Liddle lashes out against mentally ill people. What’s the point? They can’t help their condition, rather like people in wheelchairs can’t help their condition.

    • JJD

      On my reading, James is saying how nice it would be if comedy could just be comedy, instead of also being a platform for clunky left-wing sermonizing. I tend to agree with him on that score.

    • “…so I don’t see what Delingpole is griping about.”

      Then you clearly have no idea about what Jo Brand is now. I too greatly admire psychiatric nurses but I understand completely James laying into the man-hating, leftie, ‘you can be racist to white people’ bigot.

    • teepee

      I would admire any psychiatric nurse worthy of admiration. Unfortunately, I also have a loved one in need of life-long mental heath care and have encountered many lazy, incompetent, disdainful or downright cruel psychiatrists and nurses.

      • DollarPound

        Me too.

  • Landphil

    Jo Brand’s psychiatric patients were fine until she started telling them jokes.

    • Stephen Whitaker

      As were Dr Delingpole’s; until he abandoned his medical practice.

  • sebastian2

    I wonder how many psychiatric migrants this distinguished moral campaigner and ardent anti-racist luvvie is accommodating.

    • Stephen Whitaker

      As many as you are , probably ..What is wrong with people like you is that you are unable to see that this is a completely unsustainable argument?

  • Shorne

    Could Delingpole or any of the right wing bile spewing trolls commenting here explain why this isn’t correct;
    “Poor old people get terrible bed sores. Some old people are so poor they can’t afford to buy postage stamps for the birthday cards of the son who never visits them. Oh and by the way, it’s a racist misconception that all old people from the Indian subcontinent have tight family groups capable of caring for them”
    All of these things are happening right now and have been made worse by the Coalition and the Tories, but hey never mind at least it might keep income tax down.
    There’s only one query I would have, there’s an office of a Care organisation just down the road from me, all the staff that can be seen coming and going are Black or Asian and it was the same in every Care Home I have ever visited so perhaps that should be indicated in the programme.
    Oh and perhaps those posting comments about Ms Brand’s appearance might care to show us what they look like?

    • Son_of_Casandra

      Got to keep the ‘equality’ hiring quotas up. The fact remains that if we weren’t being swamped by immigrants, these jobs would be filled by people already living in the UK. While the unemployment rate remains at over 5.1% why on earth should we be allowing non-UK citizens in to take jobs that could be filled by people here?

      • Shorne

        Well guess what, and I realise this may come as a shock, some UK citizens are of Black and Asian descent, ever heard of the Commonwealth? There are no hiring quotas it is simply because White British people won’t do the work ( same as non-mechanised agricultural work). I have been told this by managers of Care organisations.
        ‘swamped by immigrants’ classic UKIP (I assume) lies. The UK population is about 80% White British, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are all over 90%.

        • Son_of_Casandra

          “White British people won’t do the work”. What an outrageous racist comment.

          The UK is currently being swamped by immigrants and any benefit that immigrant healthcare workers and teachers provide is vastly outweighed by the immense burden that these massive numbers of immigrants put on our health services, schools, housing and welfare.

          I swear I’ll scream if I hear another moron on TV pointing out how Jewish or other immigration at the turn of the 20th century benefited the UK and how well these people integrated. 140,000 Jews emigrated to the UK in the FORTY YEARS between 1880 and 1920. That’s a paltry 3,500 a year! No wonder they integrated well and hardly caused a ripple….and that was at a time when they were no burden on welfare…because there was none!

          Immigration is now running at several hundred thousand a year and our services are drowning and unable to cope. THAT’S 100 TIMES GREATER!

          What is wrong with people like you that you are unable to see that this is a completely unsustainable situation?

          Do you even agree that there should be an upper limit? 1 million a year? 10 million a year? 100 MILLION A YEAR?

          • bugshead

            Well said, if a few more shout loudly then the morons in Westminster might be forced to do something about this. VOTE OUT! And then get rid of that damend liar Dave and his Mini Me George

          • Stephen Whitaker

            Would you or any of your friends and family work in a care home? How many unemployed British people do you know personally who have tried to find work in a care home? Maybe you should bugger off and clean a few care homes instead of delivering silly Norman Tebbitt self-help lectures of no value or interest..What is wrong with people like you IS that you are unable to see that our aging population’s need for care from their fellow British citizens without any input from migrant workers is a completely unsustainable situation?

          • Son_of_Casandra

            I have done VOLUNTARY work in a care home for special needs and if I was unemployed and needed work, why wouldn’t I take that as a job. You’re completely fixated on care homes. While unemployment for native born Brits remains above 5% why are we letting immigrants come in and take these jobs? More importantly, how many immigrants are drawing benefits?

            How much voluntary free of charge work at your own expense have you done in care homes? As for the drivel that we can only care for our elderly by using immigrants, that’s an invented fantasy made up by the EU-loving left.

          • Stephen Whitaker

            “What I tell you three times is true.” as the Bellman said.

            You seem over fond of SHOUTING and tautologies such as “voluntary free of charge work at your own expense” (sans any punctuation ) Enquiry as to my record in that area is probably best referred to my 90 year old aunt for whom I have cared for last 15 years. Which experience has informed my knowledge of the care given to the elderly in need of it in Buckinghamshire , Oxfordshire and Berkshire … Counties where youth unemployment numbers are falling.

            As for how many immigrants are drawing benefits? You can find that out for yourself rather than disperse loaded rhetorical questions. Please then tell me the facts with a reputable source if you want to be believed.

            And as for the “drivel” that we can only care for our elderly by using immigrants being an invented fantasy made up by the EU-loving left. I will unequivocally state that you are mendacious both as to the “fantasy” and its alleged source.

          • Son_of_Casandra

            Firstly because something is voluntary, it doesn’t mean you may get no remuneration. It also doesn’t mean you may not get your expenses covered. So my statement only appears a tautology to someone as limited in his imagination and experience as you apparently are. However if tautology is a new word that you’re proud of knowing, please be my guest and feel free to throw it around as you wish.

            The fact that you’ve helped a relative isn’t impressive. Did you sponge state money for a carer’s allowance for that? Let’s see you go and do that as voluntary free of charge work at your own expense for complete strangers, as I’ve done.

            I really couldn’t care less about your lefty sobbing-heart pro-immigration drivel. The facts remain that in every aspect of state service delivery, the country’s institutions aren’t coping and are being drowned by levels of immigration never before seen.

            Now perhaps you’ll answer my question about why you are unable to see that this is a completely unsustainable situation?

            Do you even agree that there should be an upper limit? What’s an acceptable number to you? 1 million a year? 10 million a year? 100 MILLION A YEAR?

          • Stephen Whitaker

            My heart does not sob and I do not sponge, you have invented those and created my opinions on immigration for me in order to SHOUT LEFTY at me again. I will answer that controlling immigration is very necessary and now perhaps you will answer my questions previously posed.

        • bugshead

          You are obviously a self styled expert on care homes and the immigrant community. Do you have any other wisdom to impart to us non Guardian readers who clearly have no life knowledge ? Maybe you should bugger off and clean a few care homes instead of delivering silly leftist lectures of no value or interest.

          • Shorne

            So you can’t actually refute what I said then.

          • What is it among all your ad hominems and lefty BS that you want us to refute?

          • Shorne

            Quoting facts is not ad hominem, unless you are too ignorant to come up with valid contradictory facts …come on then.

          • polidorisghost

            “Quoting facts is not ad hominem,”

            True enough junior, though comments like
            “right wing bile spewing trolls commenting here”
            Is pretty ad hominy.

          • Shorne

            Still can’t won’t/can’t address the facts then?

          • polidorisghost

            You’re a child, pretending to be an adult.

            I cannot be bothered with your fact of the day routine.

          • Shorne

            You mean you can’t be bothered with facts.

          • Shorne

            You can’t be bothered with facts at all.

          • polidorisghost

            You’ve got me bang to rights there, sonny.
            I must be one of those fascists I keep reading about.

          • Vieuxceps2

            “Facts?” Your facts or reality?

          • You failed to answer my question.

          • Shorne

            Read the facts I have written about and refute them.

          • How can I refute “facts” that are YOUR anecdotes? If you were writing facts then we’d have to assume there are NO white English employed in care homes.

          • polidorisghost

            “So you can’t actually refute what I said then.”

            You argue like a child, which I guess is what you are.

          • Shorne

            Thanks for proving my point.

          • polidorisghost

            My pleasure

          • Vieuxceps2

            Yes, I refute what you said. So there!

        • uppitynorth

          “White British people won’t do the work”. Lies and slander. I have worked in care homes, some of my friends and relatives work in them now and, we’re all white British, as are all our colleagues.

          • Shorne

            This would reflect the local demographic and the lack of better paid jobs in the area, read about it here;
            http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/policy-primers/social-care-older-people-and-demand-migrant-workers

          • uppitynorth

            Interesting reply. Let’s do the sums and see what we come up with. The majority of people in a given area are overwhelmingly white British.+ The majority of employed carers in said area are also overwhelmingly white British + some of the carers have taken the job because it’s all they can find = White British people doing the work.
            Keep going , you’ll get there in the end.

          • Shorne

            This is from the Immigration Matters website;
            “Despite high UK unemployment healthcare support workers or care assistants are still desperately needed by employers who cannot fill vacancies locally.
            “With millions of British people unemployed and the country’s economy in the doldrums, in theory the care industry should have no problems in finding care or support workers for the 20,000 plus homes.
            That’s the theory, but in practice care home employers are still desperate for staff, especially outside the main cities…Care work is not a glamorous, sexy or highly paid job. The long shifts, including nights and weekends, are filled with hard, challenging, work with a high degree of personal responsibility. ..Employers have found it difficult to recruit from within the ‘resident labour market’, which is why in the past few years they have turned to overseas workers on work permits or student visas. “

          • Shorne

            This is from the Immigration Matters website;
            “Despite high UK unemployment healthcare support workers or care assistants are still desperately needed by employers who cannot fill vacancies locally.
            “With millions of British people unemployed and the country’s economy in the doldrums, in theory the care industry should have no problems in finding care or support workers for the 20,000 plus homes.
            That’s the theory, but in practice care home employers are still desperate for staff, especially outside the main cities…Care work is not a glamorous, sexy or highly paid job. The long shifts, including nights and weekends, are filled with hard, challenging, work with a high degree of personal responsibility. ..Employers have found it difficult to recruit from within the ‘resident labour market’, which is why in the past few years they have turned to overseas workers on work permits or student visas. “

        • David Beard

          it is simply because White British people won’t do the work (

          Sorry but I dont buy into that narrative. In fact it’s a nonsense meme. I have an industrial park round the corner from me, and though the area is 45% multiracial and about 75% multicultural, nearly all the staff in my Argos, Halford’s, Lidl, Sainsbury’s, Dfl, Brantamos, a carpet and bed showroom (I cant remember its name), PC World, Curry’s.. etc – etc… mostly all these companies are staffed by white British and a few Indians and black people. Same for other shopping and eating areas around my locality. So I dont think the ‘lazy Brit’ argument is called for y nowadays – especially when it’ll only get you labelled anti white or anti British or a snob.

          • Shorne

            I didn’t say White British people won’t work per se. They won’t do work that involves wiping people’s backsides, changing urine soaked sheets, changing dressings on leg ulcers etc. This is from the Immigration Matters website;
            “Despite high UK unemployment healthcare support workers or care assistants are still desperately needed by employers who cannot fill vacancies locally.
            “With millions of British people unemployed and the country’s economy in the doldrums, in theory the care industry should have no problems in finding care or support workers for the 20,000 plus homes.
            That’s the theory, but in practice care home employers are still desperate for staff, especially outside the main cities…Care work is not a glamorous, sexy or highly paid job. The long shifts, including nights and weekends, are filled with hard, challenging, work with a high degree of personal responsibility. ..Employers have found it difficult to recruit from within the ‘resident labour market’, which is why in the past few years they have turned to overseas workers on work permits or student visas. “

    • Jack Rocks

      How have they been “made worse” by the Tories? This social change has happened despite, not because of government. If you put 1p on income tax to pay for every problem the government had to deal with it would be taking every single penny you earn.

      • Shorne

        Simply because of the benefit changes, ‘bedroom tax’ etc. Presumably you think droughts have nothing to do with rainfall(?)

        • Jack Rocks

          I’m not sure what the bedroom tax has to do with nursing homes.

          • Shorne

            If people cannot afford to have relatives living with them and caring for them they have to go into homes.

          • Johnnydub

            The bedroom tax has nothing to do with this – oh and it was Labour that introduced the bedroom tax.

          • David Beard

            And Labour introduced the bedroom tax – when? I know they introduced benefit sanctions but I dont recall people being found dead or committing suicide because of it.

          • Johnnydub

            DB – This is exactly my point.

            Labour introduced the bedroom tax for housing association properties – the Tories extended it to council owned property.

            So why the hysteria from the left about it? Because that’s the only argument they have – that the right want to eat babies etc.

            I dont vote Tory, I think Cameron and Osborne are idiots, but the left are worthless hypocritical evil smashers.

            And any argument that starts with “look at the dead people” – well I have one word for you – IRAQ.

          • David Beard

            The bedroom tax has nothing to do with this –

            But people have lost their carers because of the bedroom tax.

        • Mr B J Mann

          Is that ‘bedroom tax’ the tax Labour wanted to impose on widows who wanted to see out their remaining years in the home they bought and paid for with their husbands to bring up their children who had now flown the nest?

          Or are you talking about the extension of the Labour policy not to pay for no longer needed bedrooms in private accommodation provided by the state to those on benefits to those on benefits in public sector accomodation provided by the state?!

          • Shorne

            Whenever people claim that Bedroom Tax is a Labour policy, they are comparing it to the Local Housing Allowance (LHA), a policy introduced in 2008 by the Labour Government to limit the amount of Housing Benefit (HB) paid to private landlords.
            Under LHA, the amount of Housing Benefit is calculated against a number of factors, predominantly based on average rental prices in the nearby area. The 2008 policy was designed as an attempt to stop private landlords charging higher rents in the knowledge that this escalating cost would be met through Housing Benefit. The LHA was designed to cap the amount of HB that claimants are eligible for, allowing them to receive enough benefit to rent homes in only the cheapest 50% of nearby properties. In 2011, the coalition government reduced the amount of LHA that would be paid still further, allowing a payment that would cover rent for only 30% of the average local rental value.

          • Mr B J Mann

            C_A_N_’T – Y_O_U – R_E_A_D ? ! ? !

            The ONLY ‘Bedroom Tax’ was the tax L_A_B_O_U_R wanted to impose on widows who wanted to see out their remaining years in their O_W_N property they B_O_U_G_H_T and P_A_I_D – F_O_R with their husbands to bring up their children who had now flown the nest!

            As for LHA2008 it specifically reduced according to the number of bedrooms “needed” and only covered a spare bedroom if a sleeping in carer was needed:

            A married disabled person needing a bedroom to themselves, or a spare room for equipment, would only get benefits to pay for a single bedroom, not for the extra bedroom.

            So you pointless point is?!

          • Shorne

            LHA and the ‘Bedroom Tax’ relate to Housing Benefit paid to tenants. Widows, or indeed anybody else living in their own property that they had bought and paid for wouldn’t be affected.
            Same old mad mixture of upper and lower case and bold font etc. I see.

          • Mr B J Mann

            And even when I highlight things for you you STILL can’t read.

            For about the third time:

            C_A_N_’T – Y_O_U – R_E_A_D ? ! ? !

            The ONLY ‘Bedroom Tax’ was the tax L_A_B_O_U_R wanted to impose on widows who wanted to see out their remaining years in their O_W_N property they B_O_U_G_H_T and P_A_I_D – F_O_R with their husbands to bring up their children who had now flown the nest!

            As for LHA2008 it specifically reduced according to the number of bedrooms “needed” and only covered a spare bedroom if a sleeping in carer was needed:

            A married disabled person needing a bedroom to themselves, or a spare room for equipment, would only get benefits to pay for a single bedroom, not for the extra bedroom.

            If you haven’t a clue what you’re talking about can I suggest you s t f u !

          • Shorne

            I know I’m wasting my time with you because of course you can never be wrong however one more time
            “The bedroom tax is a cut in your housing benefit if you live in a council or housing association property and have what is classified as a ‘spare’ bedroom.” Source:Shelter
            “Local Housing Allowance (LHA) is used to work out Housing Benefit for tenants who rent privately.” Source: Gov.uk
            Nothing about widowed owner-occupiers
            So let’s have your evidence and sources for what you allege.
            You won’t produce any of course, just more repetitive typographical bellowing.

          • Mr B J Mann

            I know I’m wasting my time with you because of course you can never be wrong however one more time:

            “A cut in your housing benefit” is not a bedroom tax!

            It is not any kind of tax!!

            The only bedroom tax that has ever existed is the LABOUR proposal to levy a TAX on spare bedrooms in people’s OWN property such as where a widow whose children have flow the nest wants to see out her final years in her OWN BOUGHT AND PAID FOR home!!!

            And what has your incessant bellowing and ranting about the LHA got to do with HMRC?!

            Where in the LHA does it say ANYTHING about anyone PAYING national or local
            Government a TAX levied on the number of bedrooms they have?!?!

            So let’s have YOUR evidence and sources for what you allege!!!!

            YOU won’t produce any of course, just more repetitive MONOtypographical monomaniacal bellowing!!!!!!

          • Shorne

            Evidence for this proposal, links etc?

          • Mr B J Mann

            If you’re so uninterested or blinkered to have missed it at the time I’m not going to waste my time wasting my time digging it out for you.

            If I’ve misjudged you you’d already know or have dug it out yourself and already know.

            So I haven’t and am right yet again.

    • Freddythreepwood

      The programme is supposed to be a comedy. So tell us, what is funny about: (Your choice of quote)

      “Poor old people get terrible bed sores. Some old people are so poor they can’t afford to buy postage stamps for the birthday cards of the son who never visits them. Oh and by the way, it’s a racist misconception that all old people from the Indian subcontinent have tight family groups capable of caring for them”

      If I want a political lecture, particularly a left-wing political lecture, I can tune in to one of those hand-wringing leftie twerps that infest the BBC every Sunday morning, not that I would ever dream of doing any such thing. When you can drag yourself away from stalking your local Care Home, it might pay to consider the irony of these extremely rich ‘socialists’ lecturing the rest of us as to how we should spend our money.

      • Shorne

        The quote was direct from Delingpole’s article not me or the scriptwriter, perhaps you are indentifying too much with your nickname ‘a somewhat simple-minded youth’

    • Sargon the bone crusher

      ‘All of these things are happening right now and have been made worse by the Coalition and the Tories’
      You AR**h*le – it is 75 years of degenerate socialism that has come to this

      • Shorne

        Like the Socialism that gave us the Welfare State.

        • Jack Rocks

          … it’s currently bankrupt. So yea, that’s what it’s given us.

          • Shorne

            And what’s your alternative?

          • Johnnydub

            The Pinochet solution??
            Just making a dark humoured joke.
            But the Fabian’s solutions was mass eugenics. Do you have a better one than driving us into bankruptcy?

          • Vieuxceps2

            Venezuela? Cuba?

          • Jack Rocks

            Oh I don’t know, a completely new system that hasn’t been tried for absolutely years, such as not spending more than we raise in taxes.

          • Shorne

            No you don’t know.

          • Jack Rocks

            Actually I think I nailed it and you failed at reading comprehension.

          • Shorne

            ‘a completely new system’ let’s have a few details then.

          • Vieuxceps2

            America? Or would you prefer Russia or China?

          • David Beard

            It’s not bankrupt.

      • Stephen Whitaker

        75 years in which the Conservative and Unionist party has been in power for over 40 and even his best friends would not describe T Blair as much of a degenerate socialist, degenerate follower of Mrs Thatcher maybe. The point should be made that the care provision depicted in the series is nothing to do with the NHS.

    • MD

      “Poor old people get terrible bed sores”.
      – It has nothing to do with being old or poor. You don’t have to be old to get bed sores, plenty of other people do, it usually happens when you are ill and bedridden or sitting in a chair for long periods.

      “Some old people are so poor they can’t afford to buy postage stamps for the birthday cards of the son who never visits them”.
      – What a load of utter crap! I am an old age pensioner on State Pension and I can easily afford a bloody stamp, you left-wing moron. I can also afford to buy flowers and wine. It is how you manage your money, not how much or little you get!

      • Shorne

        Err…How do you know I’m left-wing? You indoctrinated oaf The phrase you quote came from Delingpole, noted right winger not me.

        • polidorisghost

          “Err…How do you know I’m left-wing?”

          Starting a sentence with “Err…” is a tell.

          • Shorne

            Why?

          • polidorisghost

            Figure it out

        • Vieuxceps2

          Quote ” bile spewing right wing trolls”- Forgotten already?

      • Shorne

        I didn’t say this noted right winger Delingpole did.

      • Shorne

        Now concentrate. the quotes I gave were written by Delingpole, not me or the writer of the TV series, me (and you call me a moron).I receive State Pension as well as an occupational pension and would describe myself as comfortably off but I am not so selfish as to believe people who aren’t are simply feckless. I quite like it when I’m called left-wing, it makes my family laugh.

        • Vieuxceps2

          Your family are no doubt in need of a laugh…….

      • tom rose

        “It is how you manage your money, not how much or little you get!”

        This is the most sensible thing I have read on the Internet in years. What a shame that it is buried in a comment of a review of a not-very-good new TV series.

        Why didn’t you tell me this 40 years ago?

        • Leon Wolfeson

          Ah, so if you don’t have enough cash for rent and food, nope, all about management.

          Right.

    • Vieuxceps2

      “Right wing= bile spilling trolls. Left wing presumably nectar and ambrosia..
      “made worse by Coaition and Tories ” ( bedsores and postage stamps-!).
      “all staff of care office are Black and Asian”= So you say. Kept surveillance did you?
      Brand is fat and ugly. So am I. So perhaps are you. Does that make Jo Brand slim and pretty?

  • jennybloggs

    I have just watched ‘Addicted to Sheep’ on the i-player. Superb. Thank you for telling us about it.

    • Sargon the bone crusher

      You product of an unmarried union ( the appropriate word censored, sadly)

  • Freddythreepwood

    I detest Jo Brand and wouldn’t give her house-room. She is as funny as ‘lambs with their eyes pecked out by ravens; lambs half-eaten by the fox as they emerge from the womb’. In fact, that shall be my thought in future every time I hear her name mentioned.

    • Old Fox

      House room? Man, you must live in a mansion.

      • Freddythreepwood

        Traded down from my castle!

  • Sargon the bone crusher

    Having decided to murder the old in vast numbers, via the expedients of neglect, and the application of care by the terminally stupid, the actions are then to be camouflaged by the representations of what must rank as one of the most repulsive creatures to have ‘graced’ the Box.
    THANK GOD I LEFT
    All hail the NHS
    As effective as the SS in despatching with bureaucratic disinterest.
    Not intended of course.
    Perish the thought.

    • Richard Young

      The cold is coming to get yuh’ you sell by date codger you.Still, never mind,we are saving the planet.That’ll warm yer’ cockles.

  • Rupert

    To be fair Netflix which I pay for is even more left wing than the BBC.

  • Duke Amir Often

    James Delingpole on comedy.

    Davros on trainers.

  • Pete

    One joke! One joke is all that woman has. She’s fat and ugly and looks down on men. That’s it! Every sentence she utters contains these three things which culminates in one joke. You can tell why the Beeb loves her, no talent but says the correct “right on” things.

    • David Beard

      That’s not very nice Pete, really. Not for someone with such a nice friendly name.

      • Pete

        As I said to Mr Rose, I wasn’t being rude I was being factual. These three items in that order have sustained her on the Beeb since the 1980’s. She isn’t funny and has no talent and but one joke. And that joke is a little self effacing about her looks and weight followed by derisive jokes about the ineptitude of men. It boggles my mind that the Beeb keep her on the payroll to continuously spew this garbage and at my expense no less.

        • Chris Golightly

          To be factual then “Pete”, you sound like a rather unpleasant masty little misogynist. That is not a fact, just an opinion! If you do not understand Brand’s deliberately Les Dawson style humour about the “ineptitude” of her husband, then just do not listen to the woman and find something more straightforward. She is well regarded by the producers of HIGNFY. Just cat-calling her as “Fat” is a bit silly.

          • Pete

            Because I criticised a woman I’m a mysogynist? That’s a bit weak don’t you think?
            Of course I understand Brands routine, I even described it in detail, I just don’t think it funny.
            I have also explained in detail on more than one occasion that I was not calling her fat but listing it as one of the few dimensions of her routine. Are you not able or perhaps not willing to see this?
            You are correct in your assertion that she is highly regarded by the HIGNFY team and also the QI producers as well as the Beeb in general. I suggested that she was undeserved of this adoration as her content was both tired and minimal.
            I refuse to accept your bait and will not enter in further discussion with you if all you have is silly name calling without context and blatant white knightery.

          • Chris Golightly

            In the way you did it buddy. Yes. Just an opinion. It was rude and a little nasty to suggest she only has one joke OR that this usage is one of the few dimensions of her routine [make your mind up]. “She’s fat and ugly and looks down on men”. That thread pretence has something to do with her funniness. A large part for those who do find her entertaining and amusing is her ability to comment upon and get to the core values, shallowness and petty attitudes of small-minded racists and angry fearful oldish males (mostly) one can read on here who are scared of people who are unlike them and about the future. She uses it well and knows why. A handful of bitter, unpleasant, Kipperish pompous nonentities pointing it out will not get sleep lost I am sure.

            You and others have every right not to take the same view as BBC people or anyone else for that matter and I am sure you will continue to do so. Perhaps old you-tube clips of Jim Davison are more your style! I suspect they may be.

            You certainly did describe her work “in detail” at all.

          • Pete

            It appears to me now that you already had an argument in mind and armed with some baseless accusations and tired old tropes you went looking for a recipient. Pathetic and painfully embarrassing for you. Almost like a valiant knight astride a glorious white charger on a quest to defend against all comers. Your weakness is showing.

          • Chris Golightly

            Weakness? Cheers! Tropes?

    • tom rose

      She is neither funny nor insightful, so it is indeed a mystery why she gets to appear on so many quiz/chat/talk shows, but that is no reason to be rude about her appearance.

      • Pete

        I wasn’t being rude I was being factual. That is her act.

        • tom rose

          I see. You were saying that she presents herself as ugly etc. as that is part of her act. I did not read it that way. It definitely looks like a gratuitous insult to the reader that is not inside your head.

          • Pete

            Fair comment but that’s not where I was going.

  • StVince

    Is Jo Brand funny? Anyone? Is she actually supposed to be funny?

    • David Beard

      Bulldog, wasp, chewing ; – )

  • Anglian Reed

    If talent were the only criteria for longevity, Jo Brand’s fifteen minutes would have expired in the 1980s.

    Her routine appears not to have changed much in the intervening decades. “I’m fat and miserable, love cake, and beat my husband”, is pretty much her full repertoire.

    Fortunately, she possesses the ‘correct’ world view and political opinions, which have made her an ideal candidate to join the ranks of the ennobled at the BBC, and has long since been elevated to the status of permanent installation.

    I think we’re now required to refer to her as A National Treasure™, along with Saint Stephen.

  • Chris Golightly

    No it’s not vomit inducing Pole, well not to most anyway. It’s good to be kept informed however about these sorts of horrors and if amusing people do it, that’s just fine. Your vicious divisive bile becomes you as ever! Poverty is not edifying. Twit. Their audiences decide whether they are funny or not. They generally do not tell people how funny they are when it is clear that they are just not, no matter how hard they try. Jo Brand is funny as is Stephen Fry, both of them white, but just not Right Wing enough for the sorts of selfish folk whose comments one may read on here. If you do not like her, just do not watch and stick to the Daily Telegraph, Top Gear, UKIP Manifestos, Strictly Come Dancing and other fine Caucasian good solid family-friendly wholesome fare instead.

    Your suggesting that people should “lay off the politics” is pretty rich in view of your dangerous and ill-informed Climate Change Denier role! Continuing to maintain a pretty solid career out of preaching to little constituency of “angry & mad” Trump-Farage sympathisers again. Not depressing at all.

    • polidorisghost

      “and stick to the Daily Telegraph, Top Gear, UKIP Manifestos,”
      And the Spectator, Chris.

      “Jo Brand is funny as is Stephen Fry,”
      I can see that Chris, if you find sneering at the peasants funny

      • Chris Golightly

        The Spectator has excellent and amusing writers. Most do not sneer at other entertainers and writers. Some do – far too much for our and their own good – and are certainly not “peasants” based upon education and background. Personally I do not think Brand or Fry make fun of poor (or “lower class”) people, but unpleasantness is usually in the eye of the beholder. Each to their own

    • Chris, a few points:

      Please elaborate on “ill-informed Climate Change Denier role, more specifically the ill informed bit.

      You think the Telegraph is right wing? LOL, where have you been for the last 5-10 years? You think Top Gear (presumably the old Top gear) is ‘right-wing? Just a wee bit non-PC, that’s all.

      Please name a current British ‘right-wing’ comedian. If you can name one, do they ever appear on the BBC?

      • Lawrence James.

        Nigel Farage ? He appears often and is very funny.

        • True, but I meant those whose ‘job title’ was comedian.

          • Lawrence James.

            Indeed: Perhaps when all these shenanigans are over, he might get a series as a middle-class Alf Garnett, but he will face strong opposition from Boris Johnson.

          • wibbling

            Again, the Left bring nothing but bigotry and abuse.

          • Lawrence James.

            Mild wit and banter and the ultra right reaches for the insult.

      • David Beard

        The Telegraph is certainly right-wing.

        • No, it used to be in the 70s and 80s. The Barclay brothers made it very ‘central’. The days when it could be called the Torygraph -as it was- were gone decades ago.

          • David Beard

            FFs, it’s right-wing. Maybe not enough for some old style Tories or UKIP . But it’s certainly still very much right-wing.

          • hmmm…maybe a slither right of centre: however I suspect you’re getting confused by “Conservative supporting” and of course many still think the current Conservative Party are right-wing.

          • wibbling

            No, it is supportive of the Conservative party. Compared to the foaming Guardian it might be considered such, but at best it is centre – where the vast majority of people’s politics is.

      • D J

        Pat Condell is good, but he doesn’t seem to get many stand up dates.
        See You Tube.
        Perhaps it’s his politics , as you suggest?

      • Chris Golightly

        1. No. 2. Yes, outside England. 3. No thanks. Find your own. Probably not very funny. Oh all right then, Nigel Farridge. He is on quite often

        • wibbling

          More desperate slurs. Have you lefties nothing to bring to debate apart from abuse?

          • Chris Golightly

            No

    • hugh

      ” Jo Brand is funny as is Stephen Fry”. And as grossly fat. And both are as funny as they are lean.

      • David Beard

        Stephen Fry might be Left but he’s quite outspoken on PC and free speech.

        • Chamber Pot

          And poof culture too ?

          • Chris Golightly

            Lovely. Milk of human kindness and tolerance on here as is so often the case. No wonder England is about to set itself adrift from Europe forever.

          • Jay Igaboo

            “No wonder England is about to set itself adrift from Europe forever.” Bit Anglocentric and racist there, old bean.
            Comrade Citizen, report to The Re-education Centre for Politically Correct Thinking Readjustment. This transgression shall be kept on file, and any repetition will result in more stringent sanctions.

            Scotland, NI and Wales and also part of the political entity that will decide on the 23rd Jun if we leave the EUSSR.
            I hope to f@ck we do.

          • Chamber Pot

            Don’t be silly poof is a term of endearment.

          • Ivor MacAdam

            But, Mr. Beard and Mr. Pot, is he a giver or a taker.
            On second thoughts, not sure I want to know.
            It’s still Friday.

        • Give our God Immortal Praise

          Only when it suits him. Ever hear Fry stick up for Geert Wilders or Tommy Robinson? Of course not.

      • Chamber Pot

        Jack Sprat could eat no fat his wife could eat no lean.

    • Anglocynic

      My my, somebody has certainly rattled your cage. Perhaps you should start a petition to create a safe space trigger warning for all the programmes you dislike.

      • Chris Golightly

        Great idea buddy.

      • Chris Golightly

        My, My.

    • If you don’t like Delingpole, don’t read him. Just stick to The Guardian, lame comedy routines about how Americans are evil hillbillies, “documentaries” about AGW…

    • Trofim

      stick to Caucasian good solid family-friendly wholesome fare instead?

      Like what? I can’t find any Georgian, Armenian or Chechen programmes on British TV at all, not to mention programmes aimed at Ossetians, Ingush, Mingrelians, Lez, Kardash etc etc

      • Chris Golightly

        Most highly amusing indeed. Mr. Delingpole waxing lyrical over the fact that all the kiddies he observed in his lovely sweet Yorkshire sheep program were “White” sort of sums up the whole “Kipper” phenomenon going on in England right now, for me and many others anyway.

        In the late 1700s, the classifying scientific mindset of Europe led many
        scholars to want to talk about humans in anatomical classes, often in
        ways that implied the superiority of people with one set of characteristics over those who had another set. Christoph Meiners was the original coiner of “Caucasian” specifically to mean European-descended people. This passage is from his 1785 book, The Outline of the History of Mankind:

        “Caucasian Variety—I have taken the name of this variety from Mount Caucasus, both because its neighborhood, and especially its southern slope, produces the most beautiful race of men, I mean the Georgian; and because all physiological reasons converge to this, that in that region, if anywhere, it seems we ought with the greatest probability to place the autochthones (original members) of mankind”.

        In that work he contrasted Caucasians to “Mongoloids,” meaning Asian-descended people. Johann Blumenbach popularized Meiners’ terminology in his 1790s edition of On the Natural Variety of Mankind, expanding the classification system to include five races, each explicitly associated by him with a skin color: Caucasians (white), Mongoloids (yellow), Malayan (brown), Ethiopian (black), and American (red). In later editions he acknowledged that Mediterranean Europeans tend to suntan quite darkly, which muddied his conceptual waters, and started talking less about skin color as the defining separator of ‘races’.

        As later scholars began to explore physical anthropology and seek anatomical and bony ‘reasons’ to suggest superiority of some humans over others and strict separation between the “kinds”, they tended to keep at least the outlines (and often the precise terms) initially proposed and popularized by Meiners and Blumenbach: they became the “correct” scientific terminology for talking about race.

        This tendency to keep using historical terminology even when its etymology and source make no sense for the literal meaning is related why the Nazis later referred to their blond, blue-eyed ideal ‘race’ of humanity as “Aryan” when we know the actual historical Aryan people to look a lot more like how we expect residents of the Indian subcontinent to look today: brown skinned and black haired. But because the Germans had historical stories implying a
        widespread migration by people they called “Aryan” into a previously
        dark-haired European population, they kept the name.

        Caucasian Race: The other reason “Caucasian” is still a widespread term (on US government forms, for example), is that many white people are very uncomfortable being labeled as “white”. “Caucasian” sounds more sciencey, seems more objective, and is less obviously a direct linguistic counterpart to Black and brown groups of Americans. This sets “Caucasians” apart, in their own, more “objective” naming system.

        • wibbling

          Ah, the delightful desperate abuse of labelling those who disagree with you. How incredibly bigoted you are.

          • Chris Golightly

            Cheers

    • Jay Igaboo

      You’re Libtard rant isn’t even accurate in it’s minutiae.
      Stephen Fry,whilst tediously and relentlessly reminding us of his homosexuality, is a clever (if unwise), humorous, very articulate and very talented actor.
      His portrayal of Jeeves in “Jeeves and Wooster was sublime as was Hugh Laurie’s of upper-class twit Bertie Wooster),.
      He was the perfect choice for portraying the wily gentleman’s gentleman in PG Wodehouse’s hilarious works of gentle genius – a gentle genius that make for perfect family viewing, regardless of the race of the family.
      Jo Brand, on the other hand, is about as funny, tasteful and talented as an old, smelly and extremely rancid tub of lard.

      • Ivor MacAdam

        Quite like lard. Dripping’s better. Don’t know if she does that…
        Well, it IS Friday….

    • wibbling

      Considering climate change is an invention of Lefties trying to take money from earners and waste it, denying it implies it is real. It is yet another act of terrorism to keep people afraid.

      You cannot ‘deny’ a lie. You can only perpetuate it – which is what proponents of the fiction of ‘climate change’ do.

      • Chris Golightly

        Well then WIBBLING, the US Geological Survey and NASA are liars particpating in an invention and what some laughingly call a “hoax”. Oh my oh my that makes sense. This was produced by Ed Hawkins at the US Geological Survey, yet another center of excellence ignored by fools, in fact far and away the best geological
        organisation:

        http://gizmodo.com/climate-change-is-real-and-this-chart-proves-it-1779612098

        Keeping
        this below 3 degrees has to be priority and if it takes defense money
        or whatever to do it so be it I say! The 2 degrees heating up prediction is in about
        2024-2025, after that the brown stuff really hits the fan.I repeat: dangerous fools.

        • Mr B J Mann

          Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm………………

          Anyone would think NASA had been scaled back and down and was desperate for funds.

          And desperate to get it’s hands on some of the bloated defence budget.

  • Fraser Bailey

    On the subject of comedy, here’s a joke that occurred to me at the weekend:

    What did the visiting Martian say to Schubert?
    Take me to your lieder

  • Cobbett

    Is Jo Brand a millionaire?….but you are right, F*ck the poor.

  • Jab

    Because my mother has a tv and I visit often.

  • Freddythreepwood

    Like a rejected schoolgirl, Brand sneaked on Carol Thatcher to the Head. She is the most despicable kind of sleb – in times past people like her would have been ostracised. Now we make them very rich so that they can sneer at us.

    • David Beard

      So what happened to Adrian Chiles?

      • Freddythreepwood

        Stacking shelves in Asda, I hope.

        • David Beard

          Seriously, I know about Joe Brand and Adrian Chiles and I remember the gollyw*g gaffe, but I stopped generally watching TV as such about ten years ago. So I haven’t a clue about people like The Kardishans and ‘Sheridan Smith’,. Or only from seeing their names or reading of their exploits in the MSM.
          The Mail particularly seems to have turned into some sort of showbiz gossip rag.

          • 100

            The Mail surely is just a blog for what Kate MiddleClass is up to today and how her gormless husband (The clown formerly known as Prince ) takes a helicopter to the job centre.

          • Autolocus

            You mean that the Kardishans really exist?
            I always thought that they were a puppet show.
            I must continue not to watch such drivel.

    • Trofim

      Brand is what is known in Russian as a стукач (stukach) – a snitch who would report you to the authorities in Soviet times. Anyone who spent any time in the USSR would know how they were always hanging around waiting to catch someone out whose life they could ruin purely by insinuating that they were anti-Soviet. She is a despicable human type.

  • DaviddeAngelis

    Anyone catch Brand’s interview with BBC ‘critic’ Mark Lawson, now that was puke-inducing: http://www.davidsedgwick.co.uk/blog/born-lippy-jo-brand-and-the-bbc-pals-for-life

  • Wessex Man

    Talk of lecturing, does anyone know if Saint Bob has found his ‘refugees’ to take in yet?

  • Chamber Pot

    Jesus I thought for an instant that the unfunny heifer, Jo Brand, had been reincarnated as George Melly. Eeeuccchhh !

  • The worst one is Al Gore who poses as a pub landlord in election contests against Nigel Farage. Or is it Oxford uni educated Al Murray who polled 318 votes for the Thanet South election in 2015, losing his deposit, and yet who loves to stand on stage with a pint on his palm, blathering sarcasm about UKIP? Can’t tell the difference, politically, between Al Gore and Al Murray. Maybe after 100 pints they’re all funny enough to laugh at, if they fall head first into a well. 🙂

    • post_x_it

      My vote goes to Al Jazeera, every time.

      • Ivor MacAdam

        Now, yes, Mr. Jazeera, he really is funny, and his mate, Mahattma Coat.

  • TrulyDisqusted

    Poverty? I thought you said they were all white?

    Everyone Knows that white people can’t be poor James. For instance, if there was just one white family living in a sheep pen, open to the skies, no running water (or sheep) surrounded by 349 millionaire not-white families who were all living in huge houses with fast cars with overflowing fridges and pantrys and they kept the heating on at 31 degrees Celsius all year around… they’d still be classed as more oppressed and poorer than the dirt poor white family living in a sheep pen, open to the skies, no running water or sheep.

    That’s why they are all millionaires. They didn’t work harder, they just screamed “Gimme, Gimme, Gimmie” much louder and of course a host of government departments and NGO’s and charities did because not-white people are oppressed. Innit?

  • WFB56

    At the end of the day its pretty simple, Brand and her ilk simply aren’t funny. By comparison to the American “Big Bang Theory” or “Modern Family” they are simply cringeworthy embarassments.

    • Fraziel

      The big bang theory is dire. Every scene coming across as unnatural and contrived, which of course it is but it shouldnt appear that way.

  • Jay Igaboo

    IIt’s amazing the things that you can learn through the internet.

    For example, afte r reading this, I have learned that Jo Brand I’SNT and dull, ugly old guy who is a poster-boy for the Libtard tendency, but that despite her appearance and demeanour, is both female AND a comedian!

    Incredible!

    I wonder where she performs her comedy act ? It must be in clubs, because I’ve seen her on TV many times, but she’s not funny at all, she always seems to be complaining about men, the b@stards, or whining about periods.

    I just thought that she was just another talentless PC functionary on the payroll employed to lecture us endlessly on how to think on race, gender, sexuality, etc- how wrong I was!

    • Ivor MacAdam

      I must disagree with you, Mr. Igaboo. You were not wrong. You were quite right.

  • andylowings

    Now then when the radio is left on and a radio comedy sit-com starts , I find myself listening to the jokes followed by side splitting laughter (indicating that it was a joke).

    I then try to dissect the nature of the comedy…. often only to find that it is no more than a less-used phrase, and of no innate humor whatsoever.

  • Fraziel

    It is puke inducing but no more so than millionaire tories running the department for work and pensions and introducing tax credit cuts for those hard at work, which they did by the way despite saying it would be dropped.The work allowance has just been slashed under universal credit now making the benefit not fit for purpose and resulting in a shameful big cut for those trying to do the right thing and totally at odds with what Cameron has said in the past. Or perhaps multi millionaires introducing the bedroom tax or criticising people on tax avoidance while doing it themselves.

    • Jay Igaboo

      I hear you on multi-millionaires but really “introducing tax credit cuts for those hard at work”?
      Come on! 16 hours (recently raised to 18 I think) gabbing with the girls at a Black Disabled Lesbian/ Tranny Advice Centre was enough to get a woman on a real benefits gravy train.
      tax credit is one huge scam, introduced chiefly for the benefit of single mothers,
      It’s predecessor. Family Income Supplement, had to be scrapped because a chap called Eugen Hockenjoss, who was a member of a campaign group I used to head, had successfully challenged the legality of another benefit relating to Jobseekers Dependant’s Allowance in the courts on the grounds that it was indirect discrimination against men.

      Eugen Hockenjoss had amazingly managed to get Legal Aid, almost certainly because the LAB couldn’t see the possibilities of it being a Trojan Horse to attack benefits that subsidised the social pathology of single-mother “families”. ( Of course, not all single mothers are entirely, and sometimes not at all, responsible for their situations

      Following the judgements in the cases of part-time cleaners and a single- mother police officer who did not want to work nightshift which established the principle of indirect discrimination, I had earlier identified FIS as a benefit that could and should be challenged in the courts.
      I had been unable to find someone willing to fund such a case ( The forerunner of the HRC, the FemiNazi Equal Opps Commission had funded the cases brought by women, but, as usual, they would wiggle squirm and lie when it came to funding cases brought by men.
      The immoral idiocy of this benefit was brought home to me when i looked at the situation of a man I know.
      A skilled tradesman, at age 52 he was struggling to do his physically demanding job in a shipyard, His disposable income for 50 hours of hard, skilled graft was much less than his girlfriend had for the safe, unskilled and light 16 hours she put in at a local shop . The reason was she was a benefits brood mare with three kids by three different dads, two of the poor little blighters never seeing their fathers. I think she has had another by, yet again, another waster( or a working mug that she can leech off of.
      FIF , or now Tax Credits, was/is a “gateway benefit” which allows the recipient automatic housing benefit, dentistry, Legal Aid, and other benefits. such as the pre-school and after- school clubs ( also available during school holidays, so that they don’t actually have to, heaven forfend, actuallu look after their kids)

      • Fraziel

        I agree on child tax credit but the bottom line is a lot of people in low paying jobs trying to get on are now significantly poorer. I see Universal credit claims every day and instead of it being worthwhile for people to take jobs, and UC was really working from that point of view, it now isn’t. Why bother working when its no longer worth it would seem to be the message. Cutting from the hard working poor and giving to the wealthy is nothing short of an obscenity ( class warfare to be honest as these are not lazy shirkers) and totally contrary to what Cameron said in the recent past. And employers will not take up the slack either no matter what some tories in fantasy land would like to believe.

  • Andrew Cole

    on the money there. Left luvvies giving their pre conceived idea of real life based on what they experienced 20 years ago before they escaped. They think life is still grey and bleak like the eighties.

    At least they don’t think we’re all down t’pit blackened like Owen Jones does.

  • Des Demona

    Malvern College, Christ Church Oxford, rich Daddy, silver spoon, puke inducing hypocrisy, James Delingpole.
    I think that covers it.

  • Tamerlane

    Fat. Ugly. Irrelevant. and that’s just the BBC.

  • jamesbutterwick

    Ah the fair Desdemona! I went to Eton. Oh the shame, the shame! 1976-80 AGR are the scars I bear. I have hated my parents ever since for trying to better me. I spit on their their middle class, limited outlook. Grouse-shooting scum! God bless all progressives! Down with privelege! Whip my sinful body! Marx is the Man! Love the Left! Des, I salute you! You are a shining example. I am just not quite sure what of.

  • Ivor MacAdam

    To answer your headline question: Yes.
    The Brussels Brainwashing Company seems to embrace some very average comedians, gives them huge exposure and obscene salaries. Many unfunnies are enjoying multi-million squid bank accounts, e.g. Russel Brand (Jo’s hubby?). That bloke with the Beatle hairdo, who is on the quiz shows – can’t think of his name.
    Have you ever found anybody outside a mental institution who actually likes Sarah Millican, and doesn’t call her a boring, squeaky-voiced c*w ?
    My case rests.

  • Ivor MacAdam

    Noel Fielding ! Gottit ! Such a memorable performer. Not sure what he actually does, but no doubt gets a BBC mega-salary for it.

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