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Obama’s Brexit overreach is typical of his arrogance

23 April 2016

9:00 AM

23 April 2016

9:00 AM

Nobody could describe Donald Trump as lacking in self-confidence, but the billionaire egomaniac is emotional jelly compared with King Barack. Even before he won the Nobel peace prize, Obama was telling America that his elevation to the presidency would be remembered as ‘the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow’. He doesn’t have Mr Trump’s gold-plated helicopter, private jet, penthouse and yacht. But when it comes to self-reverence and sheer hauteur there is no one to beat him.

Someone who believes his political personality can reverse global warming will have no doubts about his ability to persuade the British people to stay in the European Union. Just a few of his mellifluous sentences and a flash of those teeth and surely the British people will go weak at the knees! The polls show that Britain is split on the EU, so King Barack will come and help the nation resolve its indecision — to the delight of David Cameron and George Osborne.

The timing of his visit, halfway through the EU referendum debate, is no accident. There is a longstanding international understanding that world leaders don’t visit during election campaigns — but such conventions were obviously designed for lesser mortals. Obama has no qualms and the Prime Minister has no shame: he needs every endorsement he can get. The Chancellor is pulling all the strings he can so the likes of the IMF’s Christine Lagarde ask us to stay in. Short of engineering a Second Coming, a visitation from King Barack is to their minds the best plug imaginable.

That enthusiasm does not seem to be shared as much by British voters. Polls show that only 4 per cent of us think Mr -Obama’s primary reason for wanting us to stay in the EU is because ‘he cares about Britain’. A majority of us recognise that Mr Obama finds it easier ‘to deal with Europe as one bloc’.

It’s not, as some Tory MPs have alleged, that Obama hates Britain. It’s just that he cares less about us — and our neighbours — than any of his recent predecessors. The ‘pivot’ to Asia, turning America’s strategic gaze away from Europe and towards the Pacific, has been his chief international objective. The turmoil in Europe and the Middle East — the Ukraine and Syrian refugee crises which have, at the very least, been encouraged by US withdrawal from the world — were distractions from his focus on China and the rising economies of East Asia. The world has not become a safer place as a result of Obama’s policy of ‘leading from behind’.


It’s natural that Britain’s admirers want us to stay in the EU. As the former Australian PM, Tony Abbott, recently put it, ‘There is no international problem that British involvement doesn’t improve’, and ‘no international organisation that British membership doesn’t help’. Abbott, Obama and countless other global politicians don’t worry much about what EU membership means for the British economy or British democracy. They simply want us to put our national interests second and the wider interest first. Few of them would allow citizens of much poorer neighbouring states to have full rights to live and work in their countries or let foreign courts change their laws. But that, apparently, is what Britain should accept.

The arrogance is breathtaking but it is far from the only manifestation of, dare I say it, the madness of King Barack. Mr Obama does not let any adviser, voter or foreign leader get in his way. During his two-term presidency, his Democratic party has lost control of both the House of Representatives and the Senate. But King Barack was unimpressed at the verdicts of the people. By royal decree, or as the White House calls it, executive order, he has attempted to stop illegal immigrants being deported, increase the minimum wage, intensify gun regulation and cut greenhouse gas emissions.

All of these policies may be cheered from Europe. But the US constitution is quite clear: it’s the job of the House of Representatives and the Senate to pass laws and it’s the job of the President to either veto or implement them. There is a word for ignoring and overruling the legislative branches of the American government and that word is ‘undemocratic’.

It was not supposed to be this way when Mr Obama launched his transformational bid for the presidency. He came to national attention with an uplifting speech to the 2004 Democratic Convention. He told his party about gay Americans living in red-leaning Republican states and how blue-leaning Democratic states worshipped ‘an awesome God’. There weren’t red states or blue states but ‘one America: red, white, and blue’. An America demoralised by the Iraq war, the global recession and bitterness towards the often tongue-tied George W. Bush embraced Obama and his soaring oratory in 2008, in the hope that he would unite an unhappy, fractious nation.

It has not come to pass, of course. Whether it’s the Black Lives Matter protests at police violence or the fact that only 1 per cent of Americans think the people who caused the 2008 crash have been brought to justice, the American left is as energised and angry as the right. Today, barely a quarter of Americans think their country is heading in the right direction. They are more pessimistic about their economic prospects than the Brits or Germans.

You would, perhaps, expect the American right to be angry, because Mr Obama does little to build ties with them. He didn’t attend the funeral of the conservative Supreme Court justice Antonin Scalia or that of Nancy Reagan — choosing to speak at a music festival instead. But his lack of respect and charity is not confined to Republicans. It recently emerged that Obama declined to invite the Clintons to dinner at the White House because Michelle, the First Lady, has struggled to forgive Bill Clinton for criticising her husband.

Jeffrey Goldberg’s extraordinary recent essay in the Atlantic magazine about Obama’s foreign policy gave insight after insight into the President’s arrogance. Angela Merkel is ‘one of the few foreign leaders Obama respects’. When Obama reversed his Syrian policy and decided that President Assad’s crossing of those famous ‘red lines’ would not, after all, be punished, his secretary of state, John Kerry, and defence secretary, Chuck Hagel, found out hours after he’d told his advisers. It’s a common experience for so many of his colleagues. Hillary Clinton was overruled on Syria, generals were overruled on Iraq. Obama blamed David Cameron and Nicolas Sarkozy for the Libyan ‘shit show’. It is never King Barack’s fault.

Obama’s election in 2008 inspired the world. But after eight years, it’s hard not to blame his abrasive style of politics for the rise of anti-politicians such as Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump. Americans are rebelling against the emergence of an imperial presidency. As Barack Obama offers his hand to the Queen this week, and lectures the British on their place in the world, voters here might feel somewhat resentful, too.

Tim Montgomerie is a writer for The Times

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  • Jojje 3000

    TL;DR. But Obama will most certainly have an impact on the outcome.

    • Faulkner Orkney

      Too short; Didn’t Convince

      • Sue Smith

        ‘”Don’t want no short people”!

  • SeaNote

    Any country that is ruled by Queen’s can only resort to satire.

    • putin

      Ruled by Queen’s what?

    • Sue Smith

      The apostrophe shows ownership but I don’t see any in your grammatically inept sentence.

      • James Chilton

        I once passed a road sign that said, Leed’s 25 miles.

        • Sue Smith

          When I lived on a farm the service station over the road had a big sign, “Toilet’s”. There was no convincing the owners that there was a problem with the apostrophe!!

      • Peter Stroud

        Perhaps you might have said “any country ruled by a Queen

        • Sue Smith

          But that would mean I’d also have to close the quote with punctuation!

  • DellerboyNZ

    Another effort from early in his first term was the speech at Al Azhar U in Cairo.
    His vaulting endorsement of all things Muslim was somewhat undermined at the hands of two Al Azhar academics.
    One said that ISIS wasn’t heretical as nothing in their manifesto actually contravened the Q’ran and another said rape of captive women was to be applauded as it was an ideal way of ‘humiliating them’.
    Does ‘Bama ever go back and revise his oratory?
    A legend on his own autocue.
    As for the ‘special relationship’ Obama feels is endangered by Brexit, that went out to window with the removal of the bust of Chuchill from the Oval Office.

    • morecakeplease

      I’ll listen to Obama on the E.U. when he forms a Pan American Union with open borders to Mexico and all the other South American countries, allowing limitless immigration into the U.S.; transfers billions of USA taxpayers dollars to poorer South American countries, allows Canada easy non-tariff trading and pours money into Cuba and allows USA citizens to travel there.

    • Pip

      Obamas intervention helps Brexit no end.

  • Bonce

    Obama coming to the UK to lecture the us on the need to lose further control and power over our own affairs makes perfect sense to the echo chamber of the political ruling classes. After all, he hates the UK and Europe, just as much as the political ruling classes do.
    The EU is great for those who want to see the further decline of the UK, the further loss of status of the UK as an independent nation state. The EU seeks this fate for all of its members, hence the reason why many countries now are seeing a rise in political parties that question the EU and would no doubt leave the EU. This vote is the last democratic chance for the UK to get off the titanic as it takes down the whole of Europe- economically, socially and culturally.

    • Mary Ann

      Lose further control and power………the political ruling classes.

      Now why on earth would our political ruling classes want to lose power unless they though it was in the interest of the country/people, it just doesn’t make sense. People go into politics either because they want power or want to improve things. So the Brexiters want more power.

      • Mr B J Mann

        Yes, but some people think that the best interest of the country/people is served by subjugation to an international bureacracy.

        Don’t you!

  • 1234567890

    Obama’s arrogance is a reflection of the moneymen who created him. He’s very much akin to an advert campaign, at which they excel. Cameron is not much different. Nor Blair or much of the political establishment. If they haven’t created/own you, they demonise & attempt to ruin, if not outright destroy you; to wit, Farage & UKIP.

    • Shorne

      Farage and UKIP ruined themselves.

      • 1234567890

        I didn’t write Farage & UKIP WERE ruined; I wrote “… they demonise & ATTEMPT to ruin,…”. The operative word is “ATTEMPT”. But I suspect that’s your wish. Enjoy.

        • Shorne

          And I wrote Farage and UKIP ruined themselves regardless of what anyone else did or tried to do.

          • 1234567890

            Weasel words; your implication was clear. Cheerio.

          • Cyril Sneer

            It’s amazing how you can come out with this BS when we’re just two months away from a referendum all thanks to UKIP.

          • Andrew Cole

            I am not a UKIP voter but I fail to see how they “ruined” themselves. Has there been another election since they achieved 4 million votes?

            Were they ruined by becoming popular thus not being able to say they were non establishment?

            Please explain.

      • Cyril Sneer

        UKIP quadrupled their vote in the last election, won the European elections and forced the government into a referendum.

        Ruined?

        Without the efforts of UKIP and Farage we wouldn’t be having a say on our presence in the EU.

        • Mary Ann

          Ukip and Farage are also the most detested politicians, most people regard them as a joke.

          • D J

            and yet he seems to be right on almost everything.

          • Jingleballix

            I think I detest Cameron and Osborne much more…….and Corbyn, Watson, McDonnell & co.

          • Andrew Cole

            Farage detested more than Galloway? Blair? Cameron? I wouldn’t say he is the most detested. Polarising maybe but not most detested. There are as many who like him as hate him.

          • Mary Ann

            Are there? most people laugh when his name is mentioned.

          • Andrew Cole

            Maybe in France they do laugh. Over here they don’t. 4 million voted for his party out of 30 million voters.

            I didn’t vote for him but I don’t detest him, I laugh at him because he has a good sense of humour and is very quick witted. I love listening to his speeches because he is a superb Orator.

            I can see why some people don’t like him just as I can see why some people like Corbyn. I don’t despise either but I am much closer to thinking Farage is a great bloke than I am of not liking him.

            Do I think he is the man he presents himself as? The non establishment working man’s choice? Of course not but as a politician he is doing what politicians do and utilising that appeal. I trust what he says a lot more than Cameron or Corbyn or Blair or Broon though and that says a lot.

            Polarising yes some love him some hate him. He is not the most hated or detested politician though, there are many people who would never vote UKIP that still don’t detest him.

            Do you detest Marine Le Pen? Is she the most detested politician in France?

          • logdon

            You obviously inhabit a strange circle.

        • Shorne

          Yes we are going to have a referendum which the Leave campaign will lose, which will come as a relief to all the UKIP MPs who won’t lose their meal tickets. UKIP have never had an MP who wasn’t a Tory defector elected. Their one attempt at power in Thanet descended into farce and they lost control.Farage’s integrity sank lower than whale dung with the ‘unresigning’ saga.

          • Andrew Cole

            You spelt Fraud wrong. You have spelt farce. That election is one that is under investigation at the moment.

          • Shorne

            I am not talking about the election but what happened afterwards, Google Thanet Gazette then UKIP.

          • Andrew Cole

            That was before Channel 4 exposed all the extra spends on those seats. Did you not see tonight Crick was at it again?

          • Shorne

            It doesn’t matter what happens, the electorate of Thanet have had an opportunity to see what a bunch of inept buffoons UKIP are. Moreover when the UK votes to Remain I suspect UKIP will start to resemble the LibDems when electoral reform was rejected.

          • Andrew Cole

            I think you’ll find you’re wrong. All those voters that went from the Tories to UKIP returned to the Tories to get a referendum and if we vote remain then they will go back to UKIP.

            Add to that the collapse of Labour’s traditional working class that went over to UKIP will increase as more and more working class are pushed out of the workplace.

            If we vote to leave I think UKIP might lose support but if we vote remain I fear that they will garner a very large vote in 2020.

          • Shorne

            ‘Traditional working class that went over to Labour’ like in Oldham?

          • Andrew Cole

            Oldham? Don’t confuse Labour winning a seat with them not losing votes from their working class.

            If you look at the results of most northern traditional Labour strongholds UKIP gained nearly 20%. The Lib Dem vote collapsed by about the same however Lib Dem voters are very unlikely to vote for UKIP.

            I would suggest to you that all of these results show that while the tories may have lost 2% or so votes to UKIP that Labour lost a huge amount of their working class voters but were bolstered by Lib Dem voters moving over to Labour.

            Labour gaining 5% of votes does not mean they did not lose working class votes. Their demographic changed. Asians voted (or supposedly voted) for them as usual but the traditional working class vote collapsed.

            Labour acknowledge this has happened because unlike you they know they cannot count on those that moved over to them staying with them. They know they need to get that working class vote back.

            Check out the results of all the North and you will see the same pattern.

            Labour gaining a small percentage, UKIP huge gains, Tories small losses, Lib Dems massive losses. The vote up here has become very fluid.

            Check out Doncaster North (Milliband) The key is in where you think those UKIP gains came from. If you think they are ex LibDem voters you are in dreamland. LibDems are highly unlikely to move to UKIP or Tory.

          • Shorne

            Once Brexit has been rejected what’s the point in voting UKIP? Your interpretation of the Oldham result smacks of desperation. For a start Labour increased its share of the vote and if this did arise from defecting LibDem supporters then this will probably happen again. UKIP’s problem is the type of people it selects as candidates. In Oldham Labour selected a lad with impeccable working class credentials with a good track record in Local Government. UKIP came up with a serial loser who keeps getting selected for some inexplicable reason and as for the shower that was elected to Thanet Council…

          • Andrew Cole

            UKIPs problem is that it is not close enough for most people to be confident their vote will count. A lot of Tory voters will not vote UKIP because they do not want Labour getting in on the back of it.

            Labour party insiders have already accepted that it is the traditional white working class vote that they are losing.

            They understand they are gaining more in the more university educated liberal demographic which is what you would usually associate with the Lib Dem vote.

            John Cruddas detailed his analysis last year, John Mann has been shouting about it for a long time.

            A by election won on postal votes is not a good representation of your argument nor is a narrow Tory victory in an constituency they are currently under investigation for overspend. The investigation you talk about is not the current investigation and just this week Tories are having to admit that they have overspent. It isn’t case closed as you suggest.

            Read what John Cruddas had to say. He understands it pretty well. Lib Dem voters deserted and mostly voted Labour and some Conservative. Labour white working class mostly went to UKIP. Some Tory votes went to UKIP.

            If you want to just use numbers and stats and make quick but false correlations then you are saying Lib Dem votes went to UKIP. Do you believe that?

            http://labourlist.org/2015/08/labour-has-to-stop-patronising-socially-conservative-voters/

          • Shorne

            UKIP’s problem is its members and in particular its candidates, it can’t even get one of its Tory defectors re-elected.

          • Andrew Cole

            The electorate did have the opportunity and while the Tories focused on keeping Farage out they forgot about trying to keep hold of the local council which UKIP the party took control of.

          • Andrew Cole

            No surprise on that one Reckless only just won the by-election and got nearly as many votes in the GE as he had in the by election. The Tory vote added 10k more than the by election though. No-one expected a Carswell type re-election there.

            You should just realise that it is the working class that have left Labour to vote UKIP because your lot deserted the working classes chasing the lefty luvvy EU friendly votes and cosying up to corporates.

            Its not all bad for you though because the Tories will have no referendum to buy votes with next time round and the kippers that went to the Tories will return to UKIP should we vote to remain.

            If we vote to leave I think the Tories will maintain their winning vote count although maybe not a majority. Labour will struggle for a long time to win back their working class vote.

            If we vote to remain UKIP will get a much higher vote share in 2020 because not just those that returned from UKIP but also additional Tory voters will vote for UKIP.

            Labour needs to figure out how they can keep their new liberal voters happy and at the same time coax back their working class vote while being a pro EU party.

  • Sue Smith

    Obama is a smooth-talkin’ preacher man – that’s all. He is the wind beneath Trump’s wings! Obama will be remembered as a man who had tons of time on his hands and who finally behaved like the Queen – garden parties, phoning the mothers of America on Mother’s Day to thank them for being mothers, hosting parties for black octogenarians, running around in a Top Gear car, appearing on Ellen, singing rap with a ‘rap musician’. On and on and on it goes.

  • James Chilton

    Obama is in line to join the pantheon of political gods that lefty-liberals have created. Mandela and Gandhi are already seated on their celestial thrones, at the right hand of Mrs Seacole.

    • Shorne

      And what’s more the ones you mention had/have the temerity to refuse to be White.

      • KingEric

        Hardly surprising. Lefty liberals would never elevate someone who is hideously white to God like status.

        • Shorne

          Lenin, Marx, Trotsky…Corbyn

          • KingEric

            Corbyn? God like!! Oh dear, just how seriously deluded are you?

          • Shorne

            You have totally misunderstood me, I look forward to the departure of Corbyn as I don’t trust him regarding confronting the anti-Semitism in his Party my point was the scale of his victory as a White man.

          • Cyril Sneer

            You really are a special case.

          • Shorne

            See my reply to ‘KingEric.’

      • James Chilton

        Whites are excluded from latter day pantheons.

        • Steve Challenger

          are pantheons a type of panty hose?

      • logdon

        In todays self identifying world that makes them racists.

  • morecakeplease

    I’ll listen to Obama on the E.U. when he forms a Pan American Union with open borders to Mexico and all the other South American countries, allowing limitless immigration into the U.S.; transfers billions of USA taxpayers dollars to poorer South American countries, allows Canada easy non tariff trading and pours money into Cuba and allows USA citizens to travel there.

    • Anna Bananahammok

      You think he wouldn’t do all that, if he could?

    • explain that

      The US of A is an imperialist leader on the American archipelago. Why would we join anything? We lead. Something England will never do even if it aspired to it.

      • oneeyedman

        Been there , done that and the UK made a better job of it. Certainly kept the US safe for 150 years

        • Frank Johnson

          explain that is a moron, and obviously never cracked a history book, but let’s not get carried away.

    • reader

      the open borders we already have …

    • BabylonSisters

      What you fail to realize is he would do that if he could get away with it.

    • conservativechick

      Please don’t give him any ideas. We’re halfway there already.

    • califconservative

      Sounds like a description of his administration, except hasn’t determined our tax & spend, what, okay maybe Evo has had a hand in it

  • Tamerlane

    The most aggressively protectionist and expansionist economy on earth wants Britain restrained by an international organisation that forbids its member negotiating independent trade deals.

    As the Yanks would say – Go figure.

  • 6Story5

    This articel is nothing but a rant.I suggest readers look at mine: http://knowledge.insead.edu/blog/insead-blog/the-best-case-scenario-for-avoiding-brexit-4639

    • Jingleballix

      Tell us……..does your institution receive any funding from the EU??

      Just askin’.

      BTW…….

      “…….There is a problem, though. Whitehall has never managed to sell its European vision to a skeptical public……”

      I think the word ‘TELL’ – instead ‘SELL’ would’ve been more appropriate, don’t you?

      • 6Story5

        Clever, clever, Jungleballs. Very insightful. The answer is no: INSEAD earns its way on the global market for business studies, and actually is No 1 worldwide. You are wrong on the second point: Whitehall did manage to tell the UK it would be better off in the EEC. it has never managed to sell the idea, despite major efforts.

        • Jingleballix

          Nope, you are 100% WRONG – MacMillan, his lackey Heath and the Foreign Office NEVER ever told the British public that federalisation was the European objective……….they still haven’t

          • 6Story5

            Junglebollocks. You can’t read, let alone think. If you bother to look at what I said, you’ll see that I said “Whitehall did manage to tell the UK it would be better off in the EU, it has never managed to sell the idea”.

          • Jingleballix

            Poor……….a non-sequitur.

          • 6Story5

            Non sequitur, Jiggleballs, means “it does not follow”. Your remark about federalisation does not follow from what I said. What Heath did say is that our sovereigtny will noty be affected. This was deceitful but not in the way that is so often meant. It was deceitful because Heath knew that parliament had underwritten the UK’s abandonment of sovereignty. Heath knew this to be a permanent underwriting.
            It need not be. All parliament has to do is to rewrite Section 2.1. of the 1972 Association Act.

          • Jingleballix

            Read my lips you moustachioed lemon……..the British government NEVER told the British public that Monnet’s plan for Europe – decades down the line – was full federalization.

            Not in 1957 – not in 1963 – not in 1967 – not in 1971 – not in 1973 – not in 1984 – not in 1986 – not in 1988 – not in 1992 (at which point it all became too late to reverse)……….the British people were always told that ‘Europe’ was about trade not sovereignty.

            You seem to be able to string words together – so you are obviously not thick. One must assume therefore that you are just another lying europhile c****.

          • 6Story5

            You really are as thick as a plank, Jiggleballs. In 1957, the EEC Treaty was considered the least federal; the most supranational was Euratom. In 1962, de Gaulle was in power, and he gave a permanent two fingers to the Monnetistas. In 19712-73, Heath said exactly what I have said: the UK has not lost sovereignty in joining the EECF. This was deceitful, precisely because it was true, but in a way that you are clearly unable to comprehend. It was and is true because the Crown in parliament binds itself to the position that the European Court of Justice(ECJ)’s positions override UK law. In 1986, Thatcher signed up to the single market, precisely because the ECJ, she thought, would police the market in an open way. She recanted fast, and in 1988 gave her famous Bruges speech. Her Bruges speech spelt out the traditional UK position on Europe. She was greeted in silence at Bruges, and lambasted by UK supranationalists. In 1992, Mitterrand pushed through the Maastricht Treaty because he wanted France to co participate in ECB decisions. Instead, the Bundesbank and Berlin are dictating to France.
            The EU , Jugglebillow, remains a Europe of states. That is the juidgement of the German constitutional court on the Lisbon treaty. i advise you to read it: if you can’t manage German, it is there in English. If the English is too complicated, maybe you can get someone to write for a four year old.
            The only copuntry which actually considers the EU to be supranational. It is not France or Germany that do so. And now most definitely not Holland, and Italy, Spain have become seriously disabused.
            Whbitehall is the problem, not Brussels. All a government needs to do to get UK sovereignty back is to rewrite the wording of the 1972 Act of Accession, para 2.1. The reason this simple action is not taken is that the UK establishmùent, in agreement with Washington DC, likes the UK to have a neutered parliamen t so that Whitehall can use the excuse of “Brussels” to expand its powers in the UK;
            All the rest of the talk on Brexit is for the birds. Including your puffed up indignation.
            Think man, and join the camp of the patriots who want our parliament back.

          • Jingleballix

            I’m an ‘outer’.

  • Atticus

    After the Second World War, the USA funded, to the tune of many millions of dollars, the European Movement, which covertly worked towards creating a United States of Europe. The release of declassified documents in 2000 showed that that the American Committee for a United Europe was, in fact, a front organisation for the CIA. The USA wanted a bulwark against the Soviet threat and the convenience of dealing with one central political power in Europe. There is evidence that the CIA also clandestinely funded the Remain side in the 1975 British Referendum.

    America is primarily concerned with its own perceived national interests, and not Britain’s. We know that the USA has interfered in the domestic politics of many nations around the world – so why would they not interfere with ours? We should also recall that President Obama has called for Turkey to become a member of the EU, which would invite another 77 million potential migrants to come
    to Britain, should they so wish. That is evidently not in the British national interest.

    The EU: a product of the continuing failure that is US foreign policy

    • Atticus
      • Jez

        “;Despite military decline, Britain maintained her status as a secret
        service world power for far longer than anyone suspected, so her
        intelligence contribution allowed some influence over her volatile
        partner, as well as guiding Prime Ministers in the fancy footwork of
        imperial retreat.”

        And a massive retreat it was too…….. now an irrelevent backwater of a nation with successive Quisling PM’s leading us to the slaughterhouse of a multicultural borderless state.

    • clevispin

      They interfered in our affairs in 1914 and 1940. Without their coming to our rescue where would we be now?

      • Jingleballix

        Don’t spout off unless you know what you’re talking about.

        In WWI – USA entered in late-spring 1917 (around the same time that 66% of the French army mutinied)…….the US Army waited and watched, and actually did little or nothing useful for at least 6 months.

        In WWII – USA helped supply Britain 1940-41, but didn’t actually enter the war until early-1942……when, yes, of course they were instrumental in defeating both Germany and Japan.

        To ‘fight communism’, they then proceeded to procure two devastating wars in Korea (5.5m deaths) and Vietnam (4m deaths)

        • DellerboyNZ

          Before the US entered WW2 they sold the UK millions in war materiel.
          They wanted (and got) payment in gold and silver bullion.
          Roosevelt is on record somewhere as saying ‘we’ll bleed the limeys dry’.
          Arthur ‘Bomber’ Harris was in Washington in 40 or 41 organising aircraft purchases and in one of his reports he states ‘The Americans have had a pretty good war so far on our dollar’.

          • Jingleballix

            Yes they did.

            They also took about 8 bases in the West Indies in part-payment too.

            Britain only finished paying USA off in 2007 (was it?).

            JFK’s dad – and others – wanted us thrown to the wolves.

          • Jez

            Absolutley agree.

            Good bye Britain as we knew it.

            400 million subjects working within the Commonwealth were thrown to the dogs.

  • zanzamander

    deleted by me. Someone has already said what I just said.

  • sir_graphus

    The “Special” Relationship is only special when they want something.
    It didn’t seem so special when Obama referred to “Las Malvinas”

    • Nick

      Evan more embarrassing, he actually called it “the Maldives”

  • zanzamander

    Obama is a hypocrite. He lectures us and countries like India etc. on the virtues of democracy, freedoms of religion, women’s rights etc. but would never utter a word untoward to the Saudis, Pakistanis or any other Islamic country where such lectures are needed the most.

    Also look at US’s “look east” policy. Here it is trying to contain China’s increasing belligerence in the area. Yet the same China has got rich on the back of doing business with US. US is the largest trading partner of China. US companies are falling over each other to invest in this despotic country. US universities are full to brim with Chinese students who will then go back home and engage in activities that the US will then call spying.

    Look at its support for countries like Turkey and Pakistan. It is pouring in $billions in these countries which they then use to sponsor Islamist terrorism and bully their neighbours.

    US doesn’t give a hoot about democracy, liberty or human rights. As long as it gets its own way it doesn’t give a toss about what happens to others.

    • 1234567890

      Agree. It’s the moneymen who control & created Obama. Btw, inre China; in 1973, U.S. Secretary of State (mind you, not the more appropriate, but less connected, Secretary of Commerce) Henry Kissinger led a group of 700 American businessmen to China. The Americans got their feet in the “open door” of China, early on. Since then, countless U.S. factories/jobs have disappeared into the greedy arms of the “People’s Republic”. Beijing just passed, this year, NYC for having the most Billionaires (in U.S. $$$) although the total net worth is minuscule to NYC. PS Kissinger was estimated, ca 1990, to be worth 350 million US dollars. He brought home a lot of “chop sticks” from that trip in ’73.

  • davidofkent

    TTIP will allow US judges to enrich Americans at the expense of British and European shareholders, as in the BP case. Obama is a lame duck President who cannot think of anything useful to do with his final six or so months.

    • johnb1945

      It will allow us to do the same, and the EU is big enough to throw its weight around if required.

      Besides which, TTIP is held up due to the regulated nature of the EU market, something Brexiteers go to great lengths to slate.

  • Frank

    Yet more farce organised by shyster Cameron, bound to end well. Does Lynton Crosby consider that Obama is part of Project Fear? Being Australian he may not appreciate that Obama opining on Brexit will be about as popular as a cup of cold sick. Poor the Queen to have to put up with this little tin pot emperor.

    • Andrew Cole

      IT will be unpopular to many but it will garner the “black” vote because he is seen as an icon.

      • Frank

        On the whole they cannot be bothered to vote and anyway why should they enjoy being patronised by this gonzo any more than the average man on the Clapham omnibus?

        • Andrew Cole

          I don’t know, ask them. My wife thinks he is great. When I ask why she thinks he is great she simply says “He is black and represents what black people can do”. She doesn’t understand that he hasn’t done anything other than pose around the world and talk the talk without delivering on anything. She cannot see past the “black icon” thing.

          I think you underestimate how influential the icon status’ is.

          If you ask a white person why Serena Williams is the best tennis player they will say “because she is the best, she wins things, she has such a good all round game.”

          Ask a black person and they will say “Because she is a role model for black people to show they can achieve anything……….oh and because she is the best, she wings things, she has such a good all round game”.

          It is almost a secondary thought what someone actually does, it is more about what they represent and why political parties in this country put ethnic minority candidates into areas with high ethnic minority communities. Because a lot of ethnic minority people will vote for that person just because they feel that person represents them.

          White British are far less likely to be influenced by the race of a candidate.

  • gerronwithit

    We are truly the school playground bullied weed. The one who everyone else gangs up on to go and do something stupid, like stay in the EU, and inevitably get into deep trouble. The one who everyone else accosts and demands to empty their pockets. The one whose toys are ‘borrowed’ and destroyed by the bullies as a feeble attempt at ingratiating themself. And here comes Obama and Lagrange and Lynton and Macron and all the other bullies to tell us to shut up, listen to bully Cameron and do exactly what we are told. It has worked so many times before that there is no expectancy anywhere that we gave the guts to see Brexit through. I really hope they’re wrong this time.

  • Tony Buchanan

    These ‘special friend’ meet ups are all rather choreographed anyway. They’ll be an inner city visit by Michelle, then a novelty dance troupe will perform the Star Spangled Banner and Cameron and Obama will take a podium each and give it the solidarity treatment for Remain. A few weeks ago The President was criticizing Cameron and dancing with the Argentinian premier wasn’t he? Whenever he meets a leader from a Western democracy there is the mandatory strap-line:

    ‘[ insert country] is one of our closest and most trustest allies’.

    I’m not anti-US in any way but I think audiences have become quite attuned and sophisticated to political PR ‘jobs’, much in the way they have to telephone salesman. I can’t imagine it making a huge difference at the polls in 9 weeks time frankly.

  • johnb1945

    No, America is interested in a stable EU for a number of reasons many of which align with our own.

    It is foreseeable that Brexit could prompt Europe to slowly fragment into what it was for centuries prior to the EU – a load of competing countries, many with authoritarian and protectionist tendencies who conflict with each other, frequently to the point of internal unrest, sometimes to the point of war. At the very least this means no TTIP, no mutual opportunity to increase trade, investment and grow and at worst potential for both the US (and UK) to get involved in future European conflicts.

    Another serious consideration is that a fragmenting, disunited Europe borders Russia, and a disunited Europe will be an easier Europe for Russia to expand its influence in.

    Even Nigel Farage agrees that the complete destruction of the EU is a very possible outcome of Brexit. He thinks this is a desirable outcome!

    Obama is perfectly entitled to say that he would like Britain to remain in the EU, and we should listen to him and weigh up whether we agree with him.

    It’s called democracy.

    How about playing the ball, and not the man?

    • Mary Ann

      I also think that one of the long term consequences of Brexit could be war in Europe, not a future I want for my children and my grandchildren. It certainly will not improve life for the ordinary man.

      • fundamentallyflawed

        Name one time since 1945 anywhere in the world where 2 democratic nations went to war.. you can’t and that’s got nothing to do with the EU and everything to do with the way international and domestic politics works. We got war in Europe and the EU was basically powerless to do anything about it – what caused that war? Deep sectarian divides in a country basically forced to live as a single entity when it clearly wasn’t. Of course importing 1 million immigrants and telling both sides that they HAVE to live together isn’t going to end well but Brexit may very well save this country not condemn it.

        • Democratic Serbia was attacked by the democratic countries of NATO.

          • fundamentallyflawed

            All Communism is democratic comrade obviously. Oppression of minorities, ignoring constitution and law, appointment of representatives of the people and then genocide. Perfectly democratic…

          • Anna Bananahammok

            Evil Serbs did not want to become Muslims, can’t they just follow Sweden’s example?

          • Mr B J Mann

            Except Except Except the undemocratic EU that kicked that off.

            Ditto the Ukraine!

      • zanzamander

        A war is coming our way anyway. It might not be a war between nations but a war withing nations – civil wars. With increased cultural and religious diversities and rivalries, soon we will see what happens in Islamic countries everyday.

        The old wars between European nations was based on rivalries of empires spilling over on home territory. No European country has an empire anymore. We don’t rule over any other country.

        The most warring country in recent history was Germany. But now that it has filled itself with Middle Eastern Islamic migrants, it will have its hand full with its own internal wars, never mind marching into Poland or “Sudetenland”.

      • Jingleballix

        Quite the opposite…..the EU nearly caused one by trying to expand into Ukraine.

      • Andrew Cole

        War in Europe? Between who? Wars are fought with $$ these days. The only wars there could be in Europe these days are civil wars or wars between neighbours and they could happen in or out.

      • Trailblazer10

        Staying in is the danger.

      • Mr B J Mann

        So you think Germany would try to conquer Europe militarily again if it wasn’t allowed to control it through the EU?!

        Do we really want to be in the same club as them?

        Especially as a colony!

    • zanzamander

      The bogeyman of Russia is still alive and well I see.

      US still can’t let go of its cold war mentality and needs its bogeymen at the ready to scare people who know very little.

      US wants to control Europe and it uses NATO (and EU) as its tool. It also wants to keep Turkey on its side. Without NATO there wouldn’t be any need for Turkey and after that it will just become another Islamic hellhole – where it actually belongs.

      Without US scaremongering tactics, we would have accepted Russia as a fully fledged European ally a long time ago. We have more in common with Russia than any of the Islamic country that US paddles as allies.

      And what is wrong with Russian “influence”. If you care to think about it Russian music, arts, literature etc. has not only influenced but enriched our culture immeasurably.

      I’d rather have ten Russias on my doorstep than one US.

      • johnb1945

        There’s a lot wrong with their dictatorial, oligarchic forms of crony capitalism and pseudo-democracy.

        Would you want to live there, or here?

        • Mr B J Mann

          But But wasn’t the choice the US gave us:

          Would you rather live in Russia or Turkey (or Saudi)?!

    • Mr B J Mann

      Wot?

      Stop attacking Farage!

      But I don’t think the Remainders are capable of playing the ball having shot themselves in the foot so many times!!

      Common Market, EEC, stability, Euro, Yugpslavia, Ukraine, immigration………

  • johnb1945

    America is interested in a Europe which is easy to trade with, peaceful, prosperous, stable, not ruled by corporatist strongmen and not subjected to a Russian insurgency along its Eastern Border.

    And so should we be.

    • enoch arden

      Strange that the US didn’t support the United Europe (the 3d Reich) in 1941 when the latter was “subjected to a Russian insurgency along its Eastern Border”, as well as the British separatism. Roosevelt wasn’t as europhilic as Obama.

      • johnb1945

        What the US did in the 1940s – 3/4 of a century ago – is of little relevance.

        Please stop living in the past.

        • enoch arden

          It is quite relevant for those who know the history of EU. The United Europe based on the union between France and Germany was proclaimed by Petain in 1941. After the was this project was continued by Robert Schuman, a minister in Petain’s government.

          Try to learn history: it is useful for understanding the present politics.

          • johnb1945

            Great.

            So what?

            Most of our institutions were born, one way or another, in Norman England.

            The attitudes and policies of Norman English Kings, however, are not particularly reflected in those of our modern elites.

            Unless you’re going to show me something different.

          • enoch arden

            You are right. It is useful to learn history at the scale of centuries and millennia. If you do it you may notice that the attempts to restore the Empire of Charlemagne happened quite regularly. Two recent ones were made by Napoleon and Hitler. Now we see a continuation of the last attempt. Another thing you may notice in history is that Britain has never been a part of the Charlemagne Empire, and successfully resisted the attempts of being incorporated in it.

          • johnb1945

            Please tell me who Napoleon and Hitler’s heir apparent is?

            This is a wild fantasy of yours, and the irony is that if we do leave the EU, it will be dominated by one country – Germany – just as the Eurozone already is.

            The creation of a vast, free, democratic and prosperous EU is a staggering, miraculous achievement.

            If we vandalise the entire concept, thereby causing it to break apart, there is a very real prospect of a Pocket Napoleon or two emerging from the ashes.

            It is better to be inside working for change.

          • Mary Ann

            Long may it last.

          • Mr B J Mann

            “The creation of a vast, free, democratic…..”

            Rerunning referenda until the proles get the right EU answer?

            Telling parliaments to form new government when the EU didn’t like what the electorate liked?!

            Replacing elected governments with EU bureaucrats?!?!

            “…….and prosperous”

            Aaaaahhhhhh, you were avin a larf!!!!!!

    • Jingleballix

      So democracy and British sovereignty means F.A. then? Not to mention the outrageous incompetence and corruption of Brussels………

      ……..not to mention that 400,000 Brits died in WWII to prevent German domination of Europe; and 300,000 Brits died in the Napoleonic Wars to prevent domination of Europe by the French.

      • johnb1945

        Did I say that?

        The EU is imperfect, ironically in large part due to a British drive to extend QMV and ensure that when a rule was agreed everyone adopted it (the way the EEC used to work was that they’d agree a rule then one country would veto it, or simply ignore it).

        We can influence reform in Europe.

        We’re also having our democratic say on our participation now.

        • Jingleballix

          UK has little or no influence in EU – they just want us for our money……

          http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/04/19/britain-already-isolated-within-eu/

          • johnb1945

            Nonsense.

            And the extension in QMV came about, ironically, through an example of us being disproportionately influential.

            Europe is crying our for a liberal focus – there’s a whole tranche of non-Eurozone countries who don’t wish to be locked into an EU without Britain.

            We should get in there.

      • Mary Ann

        It isn’t the Germans we are supposed to hate, it was Hitler and his ilk, do you actually know any Germans?
        Brexit seems to be all about hate, ‘In’ is about co-operation, sharing and friendship and all working together for the good of all.

        • Jingleballix

          I was actually a German’s best man last year.

          Brexit is NOTHING about ‘hate’……..in fact there is nothing negative about it at all……….it is about POSITIVELY asserting Britain’s rights and capabilities to come out of a very negative relationship.

          • Chris Judge

            The old ‘some of my best friends are black’ line – tedious and disingenuous

          • Jingleballix

            Really?

            What a crock of disingenuousleftistshite………..

            My German friend hates the EU too.

          • Chris Judge

            I know a German, ergo all Germans think like this. Anecdotal evidence at best. And nothing to do with left v right. Far more important debate than that. By all means argue the case for Brexit and there is one, but try and use your brains…please.

          • Mr B J Mann

            At least he’s got some kind of evidence,

            Unlike the appeals to “authority” – all my best friends think we should stay in – of the Remainders!

            And the evidence-free guesstim, sorry theorising based on fact-lacking “economic” (with the truth) “modelling”!!!

          • Chris Judge

            I know a German ergo all Germans think this way. Anecdotal evidence at best. And it’s nothing to do with left v right.
            Little Englander who thinks we are somehow better than Germans or French.
            There is a case for Brexit – use yr brain and make it or shut up please.
            Ps Caps lock last refuge of someone trying to make their point when they don’t have the words.

          • Mr B J Mann

            “Little Englander….. – use yr brain….. or shut up please.
            Ps Caps lock last refuge of someone trying to make their point when they don’t have the words.”

            Last refuges of someone trying to make their points when they don’t have the words!

          • Mr B J Mann

            The old “The old ‘some of my best friends are black’ line – tedious and disingenuous” line!

            – tedious and disingenuous!!!

          • Chris Judge

            Penultimate refuge of those without the words is overuse of exclamation marks.

          • Mr B J Mann

            ..!.,

        • William Brown

          Cooperation? Friendship? Working together? Whilst that might well apply to us European people, (I happily and successfully collaborate every day with Germans, French and Italians), it most certainly does not apply to the European Parliament.

          Your perception of Brexit being all about hate is just wrong. Yes, there are a few hot heads hereabouts who spout hatred (but mainly highlight their own stupidity and lack of imagination and education), but in the main, Leavers are considerate and thoughtful souls who, thankfully, don’t fit your stereotype.

          When this country votes to remain, which, unfortunately it will, you will soon see the ‘hate’ emanating from Brussels and I will look forward to engaging you in conversation about it here. 🙂

          • Mary Ann

            The impression I get from leavers is that they are mainly scared of immigration, and have grossly exaggerated ideas of how many migrants there are.

            http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/oct/29/todays-key-fact-you-are-probably-wrong-about-almost-everything

            Hate. Have you tried reading some of the tabloid right wing web sites, full of hate.

          • William Brown

            Yikes! I couldn’t, in all honesty, reference the Guardian as a source of balanced reporting.

            Yes, if you read Breitbart, then there are some pretty hateful nut jobs responding in the comments sections. I don’t think that they represent ‘leavers’ though – they’re probably single males without employment, taking a break from some violent computer game, where they see themselves as a kind of overlord!

          • Mr B J Mann

            All my life the “progressive” lefty “liberal” green (little “g”) tendency have been telling us that the sustainable population of the UK is between 17 and 24 million.

            Are you telling me that the “progressive” lefty “liberal” green (little “g”) tendency have grossly exaggerated ideas of how few people can fit on this island?!

            Or just that you can easily tell when the “progressive” lefty “liberal” green (little “g”) tendency are lying through their teeth:

            It’s when their lips are moving!

        • Trailblazer10

          Communism, the greatest evil.

        • Wessex Man

          ah, the dreaded Liberal/dumocrat ‘ilk’. How on earth do you think Hitler managed to fight a world war without the enthusiastic participation of the German people?

          Yes I know quite a few Germans, one of whom said to me that ‘in the war, we’ve got to make sure we are on the same side’ I also know a young German footballer who has SS chevrons tattooed on his upper arms.

    • William Brown

      Prosperous? Peaceful? Stable? Not ruled by corporatist strongmen?
      I really, no, REALLY hope you are being jocular.

      • Mary Ann

        The countries of the EU have been at peace for a long time, may it continue.

        • Trailblazer10

          Nothing to do with the EU. Another lie peddled by the left.

          • Mr B J Mann

            As von Clausewitz would have gone on to say: “The EU is the continuation of conquest by other means.”!

        • Mr B J Mann

          So you’re saying that if we don’t roll over and voluntarily surrender to the Germ, sorry, EU, the Eu, sorry, Germany will go to war again?!

  • Shieldsman

    As it is the Queens the Queens birthday, as Loyal citizen I shall be raising my glass to her.

    To Cameron and Obama I shall be making a Churchillian gesture

    • ohforheavensake

      Giving them a cigar?

      • Mr B J Mann

        Ooooooohhhhhhhh, you are Clinton, but I like you!

    • Steve Delahunty

      Cheers… 😉

  • George Cowie

    Obama the hypocrite. First thing he did when moving into the White House was to remove the bust of Winston Churchill from the oval office. He has no love for the UK, he and Cameron are pushing TTIP on the EU. TTIP, CETA with ISDS will be a disaster for the EU and our country. Despite a German petition with over 3 million signatures, negotiations continue behind closed doors between the EU and the US. The only way we can stop it is to Brexit.

    Go to youtube and search: NHS privatisation/TTIP covered in 4 minutes.

    • Denis_Cooper

      And the little-remarked fact about TTIP is that on the governments’ own projections of the benefits it would actually be of little economic significance. £10 billion added to an annual GDP of over £1800 billion would be less than 0.6%, and given that the UK economy has a long term trend growth rate of 2.5% a year that is equivalent to less than the natural growth over one average quarter.

    • Mary Ann

      Not sure that Churchill’s Bust is that important, it was the Americans who helped us out, a bit late I know, not the other way.

      • DellerboyNZ

        Britain paid billions in bullion to the US for war materiel and it was only when there literally was no more blood in the stone, did lend lease start.
        As ‘Bomber’ Harris remarked in 40 or 41 ‘The Americans have had a pretty good war so far, on our dollar’.

  • Barack (‘Manchurian Candidate’) Obama is the worst President in American history – who would take any notice of him?

    • Mary Ann

      He is one of the best, he has tried to get good health care for the poor.

      • trobrianders

        Please stop fetishizing the poor. It really is stomach-turning.

      • thomas_paine2

        noble of him

      • Anna Bananahammok

        The 3 remaining people I know personally, who still believe obama is anything more than a traiterous islamist terrorist sympathiser, have some form of mental illness.

      • FrankS2

        “Tried…” and bu**ered it for everyone!

      • William Brown

        Agreed. But he really should keep his opinions to himself when it comes to sovereign countries – Not many American Presidents seem to have been able to help themselves in this regard.

        The ‘choice’ facing America soon should be where his energies are concentrated. Trump, or Clinton doesn’t bode well for anyone.

        • Mary Ann

          I certainly agree about Trump and Clinton, It’s a pity that the democrats couldn’t find someone with less baggage than Clinton. Trump is appalling, the idea of him with his finger on the button is not a recipe for a good nights sleep.

          • Trailblazer10

            A non interventionist like Trump is much safer than a warmonger like Clinton.

          • Mr B J Mann

            The idea of Clinton with his finger on the “button” is not a recipe for a good nights sleep either.

            Oh, you were talking about his wife!

  • ohforheavensake

    Oh, stop it. Of course Obama is going to have a view, and of course he has the right to express it. Any American president, Democrat or Republican, would do the same.

    • polidorisghost

      “Of course Obama is going to have a view, and of course he has the right to express it”

      And we, of course, are going to see that view as self-serving and so ignore it.
      You really need to grow a backbone old boy

      • thomas_paine2

        And the voters of Britain are free to ignore the advice from the President which doubtless they will on 23rd June.

    • Jingleballix

      Actually no………there is a strong convention that says foreign politicians avoid countries in the midst of elections, and out of courtesy do not comment on issues of each others’ national sovereignty.

      Cameron has jacked his visit up, using HM’s birthday as a context.

      • Trailblazer10

        Cameron is beneath contempt.

  • Steve Delahunty

    Let us talk diamonds… The totalitarian EU is the “Brainchild” of the Bankers. After 250 years of conflict in Europe and around the globe, if you have not worked out the dynamics or methodology of Bankers, well, you need to do some more research & educate yourself further.

    In our long & illustrious history, we (the British) have managed to invade nearly every nation or peoples on this tiny planet we know as Earth. Yet, we still are friends with the French (just), the Germans & even the Americans, despite having some awful historical dust-ups.

    In World War II, it was the Russian’s stoic defiance & defence against vastly superior forces which won the Battle of Stalingrad, which as some war historians believe, was the monumental turning point of World War II, for which we all should be grateful & thankful.

    And so for that reason, and for the very reason we are now friends with the Germans, the French & Americans, I do not consider Russians or Russia an adversary.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb5gBsN2FCk

    On the matter of the totalitarian European Union (EU), I do have issues & have very grave concerns, as I’m not an advocate & vehemently oppose the Federalist Union of European nations that is ruled by dictatorial diktat. On the contrary, I believe in a Community of Free European nations working together in commonwealth, uniquely & independently for the common good,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSXdE8M-9Y4

    And having being awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace, as well as appreciating the struggle, tenacity & aspirations of the “Founding Father’s” in achieving the Independence for the United States of America (1776). President Barack Obama should appreciate & respect the will of the people & every European nation’s desire for freedom, working in the spirit of community & peace.

    http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/ #nuffsaid

  • trobrianders

    Leftists like Obama wet their pants at the thought of concentrations of power like global capital or the EU have amassed. Unable to establish a power base of their own they dream of stealing one from others like the hyenas they are. Obama is a hyena pack leader.

  • britbob

    About time Obama and the US moved off the fence from ‘recognizing the de facto UK administration of the Falklands’ to realizing that Argentina’s Falklands’ claim is spurious and that they have been duped into believing propaganda. Time to recognize that only the Falkland Islanders can determine how and by whom they are governed and dismiss that mythical Malvinas fairy tale:

    https://www.academia.edu/21721198/Falklands_1833_Usurpation_and_UN_Resolutions

    • thomas_paine2

      He can think what he likes about the Falklands ; it’s what the citizens of the Falkland Islands want.

  • thomas_paine2

    If Barry’s lecture to us doesn’t swing the result, nothing will ; we’re sure to vote LEAVE

  • Anna Bananahammok

    Obama is a muslim terrorist sympathiser.
    That’s why Islamist terror and Islamic infiltration has been so successful all over the world, in the last 8 years, while the West has weakened considerably.

    • Steve Delahunty

      Anna… Faith doesn’t kill, same as Guns don’t kill, human beings do….

      • Anna Bananahammok

        If faith does not kill, how come nobody kills more Muslims than other Muslims?

        • Steve Delahunty

          Anna, have they got a head(brain), a body, two arms & two legs? That is what you call… A human being… 🙂

          • Anna Bananahammok

            Typical: you don’t answer my question, but want me to answer yours. No, yes, yes and yes.

            If Muslims had brains, they would not worship a pedophile warlord, while calling themselves ‘religion of peace’, and slaughtering each other for 1400 years.
            There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world, they have over 50 countries, most of which are filled with natural resources. And what are their achievements Steve? An entire 7 Noble Prizes, and being the most inbred and illiterate people on the planet who shoot Polio vaccinators?

            Muslims do not create, invent, innovate. They lack talent, they don’t manufacture, they don’t discover. They have to buy everything from people who have much larger brains, whom they despise. Once their oil is gone, it’s back to shagging goats. The entire ideology of Islam is steeped in complexes of inferiority, jealousy and acting like feral animals, instead of civilised human beings. That’s why they gas human beings today, just like Nazis did.

          • Steve Delahunty

            Oh dear… Your ignorance truly becomes you…

          • Steve Delahunty

            I’m guessing the Nazis were Hindus or Buddhists? 🙂

          • Trailblazer10

            No, they were leftists.

    • Steve Delahunty

      Have you ever seen a weapon in court prosecuted for murder? No… The same is applicable with faith… The mere fact that some human beings choose to bastardise a faith, shouldn’t blight the whole… And in turn, to generalise and stereotype, is to submit to the evilly wicked & cowardly endeavours of human beings who perversely use faith as a “human shield.”

      • Anna Bananahammok

        If it’s wrong to generalise, how come Muslims are the lowest common denominator for 99% of all wars and conflicts in the world?

        • Steve Delahunty

          Who many people do you think Socialism (150 years) & the Bankers (250 years) have managed to murder in the last 250 years? But being frank, at 7billion, the planet is over-populated in my humble opinion, and I share David Rockefeller’s views on global population reduction, as the level of population growth is simply unsustainable… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrSq3jbI1NQ

          • Anna Bananahammok

            Don’t worry Steve. Soon several Muslim countries will be glass. Overpopulation problem solved.

          • Steve Delahunty

            From what I understand… The target for the global population is 3.5billion… So I’m guessing… If you not found the Almighty yet… You soon will… 🙂

      • WFC

        “Bastardise” it?

        How do you think that Islam went from being a minor sect in Medina to a worldwide caliphate?

        • Steve Delahunty

          You could say the same of any faith… Next it will be the Jews…

          • WFC

            Actually, you can’t.

            Judaism most certainly wasn’t spread by the sword, nor Sikhism (which was formed out of Hinduism in direct response to Muslim incursions), nor Hinduism, nor Buddhism.

            Not even Christianity, except by the Spaniards and Portuguese, and that very late on in the history of Christendom.

            The burst of Islamic armies from Medina, conquering (and imposing Islam) on Zoroastrian Persia, the Hindu Kush, large parts of the eastern Roman Empire, North Africa, Spain and Sicily is unparalleled by any religion, before or since.

          • Steve Delahunty

            Obviously you have never heard of the Spanish Inquisition…

          • Steve Delahunty

            And the Reformation was a figment of my imagination…

          • Steve Delahunty

            And The Pilgrim Fathers was a fraud… That American’s celebrate every year…

          • Steve Delahunty

            WFC… Please… Enough…

          • WFC

            Did you have a substantive objection to my comment, or is this “enough” yet another example of la la la, I can’t hear you?

            The examples you give, btw, are (a) all regarding Christianity and (b) mainly involve enforcing Christianity (and variants thereof) within Christendom, not forcibly exporting it elsewhere.

            As for the pilgrim fathers, they went to America to practice their own religion, not to impose it on the natives.

            I stand by my comment. Are you able to refute it?

          • Steve Delahunty

            No… Because you are talking bollocks… And I’m focussing on the horse racing & enjoying Her Majesty’s Birthday… Do one!!!

          • Steve Delahunty

            Ever thought about taking a career up in stalking? 🙂

          • Steve Delahunty

            Lord Rabbi Jonathan Sacks – Flashback: the Pilgrims who set sail on the Mayflower to escape religious persecution | via @Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/8610141/Flashback-the-Pilgrims-who-set-sail-on-the-Mayflower-to-escape-religious-persecution.html

          • Steve Delahunty

            Yes I can refute it… Enough… Please… 🙂

      • Mr B J Mann

        So you’re saying Naz!ism is neither good nor bad?!

        • Steve Delahunty

          Most forms of socialism usually involves a genocide… Or humanitarian catastrophe…

        • Steve Delahunty

          So I’m not a particular fan of Nazis (Fascists)…

  • The Dybbuk

    This is a rather one sided view of the presidential incumbent. All american presidents and politicians see the rest of the world as baubles to be toyed with as the mood takes them. The current president has been locked in a battle with the Republicans in Washington whilst the real America, Corporate America, has motored on unencumbered enriching itself, if not the majority of the american population. Just as if Trump wins, despite his rhetoric, the America that matters, the one he, Clinton, and Obama belong to will still take their disproportionate share of the spoils whilst they shed crocodile tears for the left benind.

    Incidentally, King Barack is not coming here uninvited, Cameron and Osborne need all the help they can get even from tin pot presidents. Pity, that Cameron has once again had to involve the Queen in one of his grubby attempts to salvage his cack handed handling of another potential constitutional catastrophe.

    • Trailblazer10

      Locked in battle? The Rinos and cucks make a small pretense for the voters. Obama does anything he wants. He hasn’t been impeached, his anti American policies have been been fully funded by The grotesque Rino Paul Ryan, and he has only used his veto 4 times.

      It is a Uniparty.

  • dramocles

    It seems fairly clear that Obama’s policy towards Europe is a simplistic piece of self-interest whereby a collective Europe (the EU) combined with Turkey can be bullied into fronting up and containing Putin’s Russia – thus releasing the US to spend its defence dollars looking in the other direction.

    Obama’s America doesn’t give a toss about our economy, our wellbeing, our democracy or our future as a sovereign nation.

  • Akin Ajose-Adeogun

    “The turmoil in Europe and the Middle East — the Ukraine and Syrian refugee crises which have, at the very least, been encouraged by US withdrawal from the world — were distractions from his focus on China and the rising economies of East Asia. The world has not become a safer place as a result of Obama’s policy of ‘leading from behind’.” How rich! I had thought that Western Europeans resented American meddlesomeness. I have never read a more contradictory and blinkered article emanating from the narrow, crude prejudices of the right-wing press.

  • somewhereinthesouth

    The migration crisis engulfing Europe is a direct result of Obama’s policy of disengagement with the Middle East . [ vis the premature withdrawal of troops from Iraq , Afghanistan and his failure to intervene in Syria and elsewhere allowing wars to escape and the ISIS cancer to grow]. His nuclear deal with Iran is also fuelling Saudi aggressive foreign policy and meddling in the area. It is a bit rich that he is going to come here to wish HMQ Happy Birthday and at the same time to tell Britain to remain the EU. The latter is a an outrageous cheek . The “UK in the EU” is a misguided policy which suits the United States for all sorts of reasons but it is not necessarily in Britain ‘s interests and he should keep out of the debate [ in so far as we have one given the lies and half truths the government is peddling ] . Obama has been an unsuccessful president ,especially in foreign policy , and his simplistic views and actions on Europe and elsewhere do not inspire confidence . Keep out .

  • Steve Delahunty

    General Wesley Clark: The US will attack 7 countries in 5 years https://youtu.be/nUCwCgthp_E via @YouTube

  • Steve Delahunty

    Hillary Clinton : We created Al-Qaeda https://youtu.be/Dqn0bm4E9yw via @YouTube

  • Steve Delahunty

    10TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE IRAQ WAR – Dr. Steve Pieczenik. https://youtu.be/6WXXE83S1Os via @YouTube

  • Steve Delahunty

    Amb. Craig Murray (Former British Ambassador to Uzbekistan) on Afghanistan, Iraq & Libya https://youtu.be/yUZTiAoaax4 via @YouTube

  • Martin Toogood

    It should be recognised that President Obama is only an apostle and voice of Goldman Sachs. Goldman Sachs would like the UK to remain part of the EU only for their own nefarious reasons, hence the huge amount of funding they have donated to the ‘remain’ campaign. Goldman have instructed all their apostles to hammer home that we must remain in the EU. Other of these disciples include Mark Carney, governor of the Bank of England. Ben Broadbent, appointed by george Osborne, deputy governor Bank of England monetary policy. Jim O’Neil, a secretary to the UK Treasury. Mario Draghi, president of the European central Bank. The list goes on and on. In the words of journalist Mat Taibbi “The first thing you need to know about Goldman Sachs is that it’s everywhere. The world’s most powerful investment bank is a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money”. If we end up leaving the EU it will at least be a poke in the eye of the giant evil squid!!

  • Steve Delahunty

    US Black Budget: Catherine Austin Fitts at the Secret Space Program Conference, 2014 https://youtu.be/w0mimIp8mr8 via @YouTube

  • Roger Hudson

    Obama honestly thinks it would be better for America that the UK stays in the EU, who can argue with that?
    The referendum question is about what’s best for Britain, not for America. Vote accordingly.

    • Mary Ann

      Vote remain, that is what is best for Britain, it provides so many opportunities for our children and our children’s children, it is their future, not ours that we are deciding, and it is what most of them want.

      • antoncheckout

        They also want an inexhaustible supply of chocolate, no homework, and never to have to go to bed.

        • Mary Ann

          True

      • Mr B J Mann

        How many children and grandchildren do you have?!

        That would be none then?!

  • Steve Delahunty

    Reflections And Warnings – An Interview With Aaron Russo https://youtu.be/51Xsss_v5IQ via @YouTube

  • Steve Delahunty

    Ten Years Later, U.S. Has Left Iraq With Mass Displacement & Epidemic of Child Deformities https://youtu.be/RNi_1pbSqGY via @YouTube

  • Steve Delahunty

    General Wesley Clark: “Our friends and allies funded ISIS to destroy Hezbollah” https://youtu.be/QHLqaSZPe98 via @YouTube

  • The Laughing Cavalier

    He has no mellifluous sentences of his own, they are all written for him by speechwriters. When the teleprompter malfunctions he is tongue-tied.

    • Dr. Heath

      When there’s no teleprompter to assist him, Barry O stumbles through and over the English language like a three-legged sheep in a pasture full of molehills.

    • Mr B J Mann

      And someone once pointed out that Obama’s speeches have a lot in common with hypnotists’ scripts!

  • Steve Delahunty

    Professor Antony C. Sutton – Bankers, Socialism, The NWO & The State of The World (1976) https://youtu.be/bb5gBsN2FCk via @YouTube

  • Steve Delahunty

    Sir James Goldsmith – Referendum Party: 1997 election video https://youtu.be/SSXdE8M-9Y4 via @YouTube

  • Steve Delahunty

    The Biggest Scam In The History Of Mankind – Who Owns The Federal Reserve – Michael Maloney https://youtu.be/iFDe5kUUyT0 via @YouTube

  • Steve Delahunty

    “All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.” ~ Galileo Galilei

  • Steve Delahunty

    “Then you will know the truth, and the truth shall set you free.” ~ JOHN 8:32 #Amen

  • rtj1211

    Obama’s entitled to his opinion, what he’s not entitled to is to tell the UK people what their own hopes and dreams are.

    America was founded by kicking out King George.

    Britain should be reborn by kicking out Big Brother Uncle Sam, Big Brother Brussels and public school, secret society sects…..

    • Mary Ann

      I suspect that if Obama was saying Britain should leave the EU you wouldn’t be complaining.

      • antoncheckout

        If he did, it would increase the Remain vote.

      • Leofric64

        Your one line argument is becoming stale….Whatever Obama’s views, for or against, UK residents deciding on the future of the UK is none of his business. It seems very strange that the Tories and Corbyn’s extreme left-wing version of the Labour party have become bedfellows in wanting to remain in Europe. Power, position and personal profit is what it’s all about for politicians and the ordinary man and woman on the street suffer the consequences of their desires. The EU is a money-sucking, undemocratic, corrupt body, either in danger of crumbling or increasing the reach of it’s power by allowing poorer countries of Eastern Europe AND a HUGE Eurasian Islamic body, Turkey, to become part of it. At some point we have to ask – what is in it for us??????? We become stronger in opening our borders and propping up poorer countries? Oh I am sure Obama would buy into that for the US and I am sure citizens of the US would welcome it too……..

  • Steve Delahunty

    “Education is the most powerful weapon which you can use to change the world.” ~ Nelson Mandela

    • antoncheckout

      And Obama has spent his time in learning, learning…golf mainly.

      • Steve Delahunty

        I’ve heard that Obama is very adept at knocking it “out of bounds”… 😉

      • Steve Delahunty

        Has problems with his putter… 😉

        • Infadel

          He has problems with his takeaway!

          • Steve Delahunty

            I put it down to Obama being left-handed like me… 🙂

      • Steve Delahunty

        putting… 🙂

  • MC73

    I wonder if St Barry took a break from ordering drone strikes after winning his Nobel prize….

  • zanzamander

    US uses Russia to scare Europeans, China to scare the Asians and until recently Iran to scare Islamic countries.

    US is still fighting the Cold War that exists only in its mind.

    If it is so fond of EU why doesn’t it form one with its own neighbours? I’d really like to see how it goes down in New York or down town Chicago when an unelected Panamanian president of such a union begins to lecture them on how to live their lives.

    Mind you, having said that, the lefty Democrats and their measly mouthpieces of US media would probably love it.

  • Steve Delahunty

    I have big love for Montie, we may not exactly share totally the same values, but as Forces Brats, we share the same military background… 🙂

  • Michael

    As a matter of record Tony Abbott wrote a column in The Times recommending that Britain votes to remain in the EU.

    • antoncheckout

      Tony Abbott – Remind us again, who t f was he? Was he Diane’s bro?

      • Michael

        Er, the previous Australian PM and a close friend of Mr Montgomerie!

        • Dryermartinithanyours

          He’s usually his own man (love interests aside) though there may be undeclared interests in his position on Brexit. He can normally be relied on to put British interests first which is deeply admirable. Here though is something else at work related to conditions laid down by certain backers in an anticipated re-run for power.

          • Mary Ann

            You are being extremely vague with your counter plots.

          • Dryermartinithanyours

            Yes, and I don’t wish to be vague. It’s a battle Tony’s supporters and his opponents need to deal with. I was dragged into it when Tony’s supporters stole my life’s work, a core of uncompromising neo-conservatives being the only ones who would accept its thesis, and the path led straight back to the Israel Lobby in DC and New York from Sydney. I agree of course with most of what they say, since I wrote it, but not their methods nor the way they pressure the US into making bad decisions for Europe. Western and Eastern Europe which need to work together, something not always in US interests.

          • Dryermartinithanyours

            For the moment.

      • Mr B J Mann

        Wasn’t he related to Russ Abbott?

    • Rufus63

      He doesn’t speak for Australia. Plenty of Aussies think he overstepped the mark when he made that outrageously presumptuous recommendation.

      • Mary Ann

        Of course if he had said that Britain should leave……….

    • Mary Ann

      Ah an intelligent man.

      • Dryermartinithanyours

        In your estimation. Being in the US when the monetary union was proposed, and at an IMF meeting when the Greek economic forecast was supposed to have been delivered but the deputy governor of their central bank could not be found to deliver it, and in a comedy of errors I was asked instead, I could not but imagine a disastrous outcome.

  • Fudsdad

    The Millennium Dome (smart exterior but nothing inside it) as a metaphor for the Blair administration always amused me. So it is with Obama: compelling rhetoric, but no delivery. How dare he tell us what we should do in our referendum?!

    • Trailblazer10

      He has delivered plenty of death and disaster.

    • Mary Ann

      But if he had said that Britain should leave the EU then that would be OK, wouldn’t it.

      • Fudsdad

        No, I don’t want his opinion either way as it is purely self-interested like the supra-national organisations, as the article says.

      • Dryermartinithanyours

        Either way. The question that should be asked in a very specific way is why, beyond the rhetoric of a ‘strong Europe’, this specific issue is of such import to the US. And why Mr Abbott has added his voice in an unexpected way.

    • Mr B J Mann

      Blair in short: an empty dome,

  • Dominic Stockford

    Good Article. One of your colleagues on this mag is suggesting that ‘Obama speaks for America’ – but knowing several Americans I can assure you that he does not. They tell me that we should get out of the EU as fast as we can.

    • Shane

      I am an American and a conservative. Obama does NOT speak for Americans such as myself on this or any other issue. He’s a divisive figure who does more to push people apart than bring them together in the US. The irony of ironies is that the man who has deepened America’s divisions to such a point of disfunction that Donald Trump has risen on the right.

      For those that can’t see it there is a direct line between Obama and the regressive left and The Donald. Denying that connection is to be ignorant or blind.

    • The Masked Marvel

      She thinks Obama speaks for America, but it’s only the ones she agrees with.

  • I’m writing from the US– I really don’t think Obama is to thank for Sanders and Trump–around half the population still think he is doing a good job, while Congress’s approval ratings are at an alltime low of something like10%. But yes Obama is an emotionally disturbed horror, and it was truly vile having to listen to him tell a Sunday morning interviewer, without the least bit of regret in that creepy voice, that LIbya was his biggest “mistake”, expressing no guilt or anguish over the consequences as he named them. I knew there was something wrong with that man when he was first campaigning against Hillary and was starring himself in evangelical-like rallies of the Martin Luther King variety .His voice in those tacky rallies throbbed with a feigned emotion that was insulting..

    • Dr. Heath

      Christopher Hitchens [pbuh] had him sussed as a megalomaniac narcissist. Whenever I see O’Bama or Bliar or Corbyn on the television, I have to rush to turn the sound off or change the channel. Nauseating creeps, all of them.

      • I quite agree, Dr–though you must admit Corbyn is really a bit more ridiculous. His Working Man With A Pint act is even cheaper theater than Obama’s impassioned- revivalist phase was…

        • Dr. Heath

          I can’t see how any part of his act – the sandals, the bicycle, the Lenin cap – would convince voters he’s on the side of the proles. Corbashvili is ridiculous, but I think this is entirely the result of his 70s, Dave Spart look. Fossil, yes. Man with a Pint, no.

    • Trailblazer10

      He has caused great damage in The US and all around the world.

  • Skyeward

    A U.S. president signing executive orders, well I never. He’s signed fewer than Bush and Clinton and is saddled with a true do-nothing Congress collecting paychecks and gold-plated benefits for doing jack. I’m a small c consevative so I naturally view his policies as typical neo-liberal. And am I disappointed that hasn’t done nearly enough to divest American taxpayers such as myself of these crummy little Arab state wars. But I also see him as a gracious and kind man whose chief fault is as Charles Pierce tells it, “Presidentin’ while being black”. Of course he supports the neo-liberal Remain stance – don’t like it? Well, cm’ere Sparky … don’t listen.

    • Athelstane

      …a true do-nothing Congress collecting paychecks and gold-plated benefits for doing jack.

      It might be worth pondering the possibility that voters elected those Republican majorities to do precisely that: allow nothing Obama wants to pass.

      The U.S. is not a parliamentary system, after all.

      • Skyeward

        What would neo-liberal Obama pass that they’d ever really object to – they’ve been voting since Reagan to send the wealth upwards and the jobs away. He’s more of the same with just a little compassion for the families left behind to make do in the squalor of the service economy.

        • Athelstane

          Well, for starters: Obamacare mandates (which have caused the cancellation of many insurance policies and massive hikes in the premiums for same, to say nothing of the disincentives to hiring that result), climate initiatives (like a total phase out of coal) that kill jobs in key regions, and, well, amnesty initiatives (though the latter was a reluctant opposition for some Republicans fearful of being primaried).

          • Skyeward

            Millions have access to healthcare who didn’t before and healthcare costs are beginning to go down. The Republican plan for covering uninsured Americans? Nada. Who really benefits from coal mining? In my state the local jobs were for dump truck drivers and out-of-state workers would get the well-paying jobs – we’re better off without given our tax dollars would go to the inevitable environmental cleanup. As far as amnesty, he’s deporting at a greater clip than the prior presidents and only allowing a path for the kids. So again, what’s to complain about if you’re a neo-liberal as are most Republicans?

          • Athelstane

            Who really benefits from coal mining?

            Well, for one, the families of the 174,000 Americans who work in the coal industry on a permanent, full-time basis. And that’s just those directly employed, not in businesses that are in some way dependent on coal industry economic activity.

            More to the point, how do you plan to replace the 33% of U.S. energy needs that come from coal? You can’t run an economy on rainbows. And you can’t run it on solar power, either. One day we may find a better energy source. But it’s imprudence of the highest order to abandon proven energy sources without some actual means for replacing them on a cost effective basis – i.e., one that won’t crater living standards for most Americans.

  • Well written piece, i for one couldn’t give a flying……k what Obama says, America is a great country and it’s people deserve respect, but they’re not in the EU and their president shouldn’t stick his neck in our business.
    I will be voting out and can’t wait until the opportunity comes around on the 23rd June.
    No disrespect America.

    • Alex De

      He is free to say his opinion and you don’t like it is your problem. However he has talked about reality that u don’t like to hear

      • Jingleballix

        Yes, Obama is entitled to air his opinion……but – out of respect for us, and for democracatic principles – it should have been expressed from Washington.

        Cameron and he cynically used the Queen’s 90th birthday to come over here and stick his nose in.

        • Alex De

          He has shown plenty respect but it hurts that you don’t like his opinion based on facts

          • Jingleballix

            No, he has shown none – egged on by Cameron – and should stay out of the country, that’s the international convention.

            Obama should also have made it clear that he was speaking in respect of American interests – not what he thinks is ‘best for Britain’……..that’s dishonest.

            Also I seem to remember American’s getting shirty when the Guardian was lobbying for Americans to vote for Kerry.

          • Alex De

            Obama said and stressed he was his opinion and American interests. All international leaders are commenting…. the truth should not hurt u…He has shown plenty respect

          • Jingleballix

            You don’t read/listen too well do you?

            ……he should’ve stayed in America – not crashed the Queen’s birthday.

            He’s a shyster.

            As Charles Moore said in the DT today – he attained office with the slogan ‘Yes We Can’…….but is telling UK………’No You Can’t’.

          • Alex De

            You are thick man….He did what he was meant to do express his opinion . Nothing to do with queens bday….

          • Mr B J Mann

            So you’d support Cameron if he went to the US next year in the run up to the election and advised Americans to vote for Trump?!

          • Alex De

            It is his own choice if he wants to do that and he is free to do it. He won’t do it as he knows that trump is like Johnson, Putin, Farage b.s. around the world…peace

          • Mr B J Mann

            You (deliberately?) miss my point!

          • Alex De

            Man honestly you got problems….good luck

          • Richard

            To be honest, I don’t quite think @Alex De is a likely MENSA candidate…

          • Richard

            I think the “thickness” lies with you. Do you really think it was just a coincidence that he chose to visit the UK on HM’s birthday?

          • Alex De

            Your thickness is so over the top that you cannot see farer than your nose….Obama was asked his opinion about and he was free and right to give it…You don’t like to accept the truth full stop

          • califconservative

            funny, that he and, according to the Queens handlers, that woman weren’t even invited

          • Richard

            He has shown no respect whatsoever.

          • oneeyedman

            No we don’t like it and aso have to right to say so. He is at the back of the queue when it comes to opinions on this matter.

          • Richard

            Your blind support of Obama means you are unable to understand what people are saying here.

        • So the US should just spam the UK with propaganda like Putin does?

    • cirroalex

      As an American who supported Obama in 2008 and 2012, I FULLY support your decision to exit the EU. Obama has lost so much of my respect by trying to persuade you otherwise.

      Britain is a GREAT nation and deserves to pursue its own SOVEREIGN interests. I don’t care what Obama says or left-wing politicians (who I normally agree with), you deserve to self-determine your own future!!

    • disqus_sYjTaYBA4G

      None taken, we feel for your country, we really do.

  • 100

    Its the pretentious, down with hood, homey swagger that leaves me cold. My fellow Americans dont walk like that bruv. And before lecturing on the values of the EU, could ha pass a test on the difference between the Baltics and the Balkans, and pinpoint Estonia and Montenegro on a map??

  • mikewaller

    You’re talking nonsense, Montgomerie, unlike millions of chronically insecure Yanks, a mature Brit is prepared to listen to anybody whose opinion is likely to be of value. That certainly includes the present PROTUS, the Governor of the Bank of England and Treasury experts. What is almost invariably a waste of time is listening to Brexit fantasists. Usually mid-life crisis males (although these are not lacking in support from their female counterparts), I have yet to meet one who can answer this basic question:

    If the EU is such a drag on the UK’s performance, how come Germany does so well under exactly the same rules whilst having to pay much more into the kitty?

    To slightly adapt the Bard’s famous words: “The fault lies not in the EU stars but in ourselves”.

    In spite of there being very many able Britons, taken as a whole, we are simply not good enough to compete successfully as an entire economy at the highest level. We have been slipping back for over 100 years, way before the point at which we joined the EU. Indeed one reason why we have so many immigrants is that the ablest from abroad find it all too easy to outshine many of the locals in the job market. As a result, Brexitiing is far more likely to cause cardiac arrest than stimulate us into radically upping our game. My advice? Grow up, get real and listen to Obama!

    • Not a particularly persuasive critique I’m afraid. The reason Germany does so well out of the EU is because Germany and France set up the EU to benefit – Germany and France. A more interesting question would be how much better would Germany be doing if she was outside the EU? Already most of Germany’s trade is outside the EU and German politicians can see very well where the ridiculous Euro is heading. The fact is that the EU is undemocratic, wasteful and totally corrupt and for those reasons alone we should all vote to leave. I think most UK voters understand very well that no US president whether Roosevelt, Kennedy or Obama has ever given a fig for what happens to Britain or the British people. And as for your Treasury “experts” – are they the clever people who thought we would be better off in the Euro, or spending more to reduce our debts – oh please!

      • mikewaller

        What you are saying might be true of France, but not Germany. Yes, lots of things are set up to Germany’s advantage, not least because the Brexiter’s equally stupid granddads failed to get in early. But Germany also shouldered the greatest financial burdened and continues to do so, this being the far more sensible WW2 version of the WW1 reparations (or guilt money). Germany does so well not because she is stealing all the cream but because she is so strong in depth across a whole range of export markets. That is why it took two massive coalitions to subdue her in two world wars. In contrast, the UK was only top dog during the era when we brought the industrial revolution into being and achieved massive maritime and financial dominance both within a global empire and beyond it.

        Sadly, once other players became similarly industrialised, the poor old UK got pushed further and further down. For example at the end of WW2 the UK ensured that the old ICI’s great Germany rival was broken up in three parts so that they could not compete on equal terms. Yet by the 1970s each element was bigger than what was then the as yet unbroken up ICI. If you doubt what I am saying, go read Corelli Barnett’s magisterial “The Audit of War” in which he demonstrates that across a whole range of key weaponry British manufacturing productivity during WW2 was about one third of that of the USA. That obtained for much of the twentieth Century and what is our big worry now? Low productivity!

        Yet folks like you think that a pattern that has persisted for over a century will all put put right by the simple act of getting out of the EU! Its all self-deluding moonshine. As for the Americans; there are those (a) like Obama who give it to us straight and (b) a load of big business duplicitous bastards who would like us out of the EU as it is the only institution that has the clout to stand up against their massively self-serving ways. Carry on as you are and you might well get Christmas cards from the latter as well as the mass murderer, Putin!

        P.S. As for that clown Boris, he should just bugger off and join a circus, the one environment in which his particular “talents” would be advantageous.

    • Dryermartinithanyours

      What’s this irritating “mid-life crisis males” cr*p that that ant-Brexit people like you spout? You’re likely late middle aged yourself but find it convenient to use this leftist reach-me-down phrase, a variant of the ‘dead white males’ thing. The EU and more so EMU were the fantasy, Brexit is the reality.

      • mikewaller

        As I have made clear here and elsewhere, in comparative terms, Britain has been on a downward slope for well over 100 years. To think that trend will be reversed by kicking over the traces and leaving the EU, to me, equated pretty directly with some sad sack of a male or female who deludes his or herself into believing that all failures to date are down to some key external factor thus absolving themselves of all fault.
        Rather, to again marginally to adapt a famous line of Shakespeare’s “The fault lies not in the EU stars but in ourselves”. Please get real and face up to it, particularly as we now live in an unprecedented world in which the sheer number of industrialised workers adds up to a productive capability massively in excess of total global purchasing power. If we are to maintain anything like our abnormally high living standards, pan European protectionism is our only hope. Globalisation is now so twentieth century!

    • Blindsideflanker

      I am ready to admit we have our problems that need sorting out , but Germany is doing well in the EU as a result of writing the rules to suit its self , as well as having a depressed Euro in which to hide its surpluses, while ensuring it doesn’t have to make the fiscal transfers a common currency area would normally require. Germany is literally beggaring its neighbours.

    • Davidsb

      …a mature Brit is prepared to listen to anybody whose opinion is likely
      to be of value. That certainly includes the present PROTUS (sic), the Governor
      of the Bank of England and Treasury experts…

      The one thing which has become clear over the last few weeks is that NEITHER side can accurately predict Great Britain’s economic future over the next 15 – 30 years – there are just too many unknowns.

      The only accurate financial statement which can be made is that in the event of withdrawal from the EU, Great Britain would not have to pay its current membership fees, and would not be locked into ever greater payments as (1) the EU bureaucracy expands, and (2) more and more claimant states from Eastern Europe and Asia Minor join the club.

      So the debate should focus on sovereignty-related issues such as regaining control of UK borders, a Common Law-based UK Bill of Human Rights enforced by the UK Supreme Court, a rational points-based colour-blind immigration policy and so on.

    • Joe Bloggs

      Please read about Roath, Cardiff and the chocolate cake.

  • bengeo

    Brexit – pure sentiment.

    • Lazydaisy

      Indeed. the “sentiment” of not wanting to see an entire continent, and direct democracy, destroyed in deference to plans concocted in the early 20th century, by a bunch of nutters.

  • Andrew Finn

    Off topic, but Obama’s Presidency reminds me of Blair’s Premiership.

    At first, you fall for the spin, but by the end you can’t wait to see the back of him.

    • Maureen Fisher

      They both promised “hopey changey” stuff which turned out to be pure spin. But Blair was bent on massive social engineering both here and in the Middle East which makes him twice as evil as Obummer.

  • jeffersonian

    ‘He doesn’t have Mr Trump’s gold-plated helicopter, private jet, penthouse and yacht. But when it comes to self-reverence and sheer hauteur there is no one to beat him.’

    Which is particularly interesting since he’s been a foreign policy calamity on a scale not seen since the Vietnam and Korean wars combined. And this is not to mention the debt-ridden, conflict-ridden and divided United States of America he leaves behind.

    Good riddens to bad rubbish when January 2017 finally rolls around.

    • Discuscutter

      I would say that George W’s invasion of Iraq tops everything.

      Vietnam and Korea may have cost a lot of lives but the fallout was limited.

      The mess in Iraq and its bas7ard offspring look like changing Europe and the Middle East permanently.

      • jeffersonian

        Bush was a dunce. B.O. is a malice.

        Picking one single issue: the enabling of the Iranian nuclear programme. Thanks to him and Lurch they’ll have it within a decade. It alone qualifies him for worst in living memory.

        • Zaba

          worst in living memory…….or best for the ummah!

      • Dryermartinithanyours

        And there’s a large question as to who actually controls US foreign policy. Too many in the State Department and intelligence – though the two are often at odds – are passionate inter-generational anti-Soviets playing out the end games of the Cold War, which live on in historical alliances. The extent to which Israel dictates US policy in the ME is also no paranoid anti-Semitic delusion about Jewish conspiracies but the hard reality of our irreconcilable political position since 1948.

        • Mow_the_Grass

          Ya – we’ve heard that conspiracy theory BS many many times ie ‘Israel dictates US policy in the ME’
          So explain to me like l’m a five yr old – just what benefit is accrued to Israel inter alia with the ongoing insanity and maelstrom in either/both Iraq and Syria – one of which sits hard up against Israel’s north/Golan border – which prior to recent events was quiet.
          How does this benefit Israel ie now having both Hezbollah and potentially IS on this particular border.
          And on the matter of Iraq – Israel always made it clear to the US that with no fly zones Iraq represented almost zero threat to Israel.
          You ‘pal/ette’ are nothing more or less than common garden anti semite – now employing the new narrative ie its not the joooos its Israel.
          btw – one more lil nugget for you – Iran has always been the major theat to Israel – funny then that Israel failed to ‘dictate’ this to the US recently, notwithstanding that a nuclear armed Iran represents a threat not only to Israel but to others in the region and beyond.
          Now out of my way – but chikchak as we say here.

          • rationality

            You really are a grade ‘A’ loon.

          • Mow_the_Grass

            Is this all you have
            Buzz off – low life/no life.

          • rationality

            You’re in Israel yet you patrol a comment board in the UK looking out for anyone who dares to say anything against the terrorist state causing most of the worlds problems. You are a collaborator of evil and I will call you out for it when I see it.

          • Mow_the_Grass

            Called taking the fight to the enemy – and in your particular case ie neon@zi jewhating trash – i’m right on the money.
            You ‘pal/ette’ are in short order an uneducated piece of detritus with a jewhate fixation.
            Is that your excuse for being a non entity.
            btw – one day when you actually leave your lil village and travel to a region you know FA about – then you will have an opportunity to see some real ‘terrorist state/s’.
            Till then try not make a complete idiot of yourself here – this is not one of your idiot neon@zi websites you’re so busy on.
            Simpleton.

          • rationality

            When I hear about the scale of deception and betrayal my people have gone through believing all the nonsense we’ve been indoctrinated with I can and I will call you out on it. So called ‘neon@zi jewhating trash’ are just normal people who have had it up to here with the bull, the name calling and Thought Police telling us what to do and think. You have zero empathy for us so why on earth do you think we should do so for you. Constant insults dont really make a good debate.

            And you still havent told me your how you got your user name. Are you a keen gardener or something?

          • Mow_the_Grass

            Quit looking for a scapegoat for your own ineptitude and failure in life.
            On a separate issue – i tend the bowling greens in my neighbourhood.
            lOL

          • rationality

            Good one MtG. Have a good weekend.

          • Zaba

            Welcome Jew Hater!

          • rationality

            Greetings Deceiver and Genocide Collaborator!

          • Dryermartinithanyours

            Out of your way, huh? I don’t think so, buddy No kidding it’s been of no benefit to Israel to have chaos in Syria. No kidding you’re up against the border. No kidding I’ve written not without some influence against anti-Semitism and that we – me more particularly – have everything in common with Jewish culture versus millennia of war with Islam. But the US and every other Western countnry has tried to make an impossible balance between Israeli interests – Israel being the only liberal democratic state in the ME – and Arab etc interests. And thanks for that, we should all go down happily because of it. For a 5 year old, it’s not been a picnic for the rest of Europe since we implanted our bubble Western state in the Middle East, as was predicted by a majority of the State Department and most Western governments at the time. Yes, you live in a liberal state with a great culture, No, it’s not natural.

          • Dryermartinithanyours

            I’ll try again hopefully without being censored and having to appeal to the Editorial board of The Spectator, to respond to your hasty and insulting post. First, no disagreement, there is no advantage to Israel to trouble in Syria, yet as many US Jewish academics predicted, fomenting instability in the Middle East does not result in a better world for us all – for the US, Israel, Europe and the Arab states – via Israel-like Islamic democracies spring up across the region around Israel. Would that it were otherwise. The Syrian-Russian-Iranian axis has been the other target of foment against Assad. It has blown back on us all. Don’t you dare call me a fascist or anti-Semite when all my writing has been against the kind of conspiracies of which you so loosely accuse me. Try reading some of my work, such as “wanted: A New Economic Theory” or “Three Cheers for the Ideals of Guided Capitalism.” It’s a particularly ugly accusation in my case, backed by an overdose of chutzpah.

          • Dryermartinithanyours

            Before you fling ugly accusations of anti-Semitism, try reading some of my life-long work against the very conspiracy theories you so loosely accuse me of holding. “Three Cheers for the Ideals of Guided Capitalism” or “Wanted: A New Economic Theory” would make a good start. I agree that trouble in Syria is bad for us all but a number of prominent Jewish scholars predicted that fomenting trouble in Syria and elsewhere would not germinate latent Islamic democracies and make us all more secure, but the opposite. It’s our own blow-back you’e experiencing, and while I empathize, no excuse to accuse me of being anti-Semitic.

          • Dryermartinithanyours

            Apparently I have no right of reply, but no, I’m a well-published anti-fascist.

          • Dryermartinithanyours

            “Out of my way” … such force, such bravado. Your comment is interesting, given my life’s published work, as a liberal conservative, has been against anti-Semitic myths, yet you call me a “common garden anti-Semite.” It shows that hatred is rife in every culture. Events in Syria are obviously bad for Israel, and everyone else. Who would imagine otherwise? Foment in support of a mythical Arab democratic Spring, which might have been great for all of us if it weren’t a myth, supporting policies conveniently counter to the Iran-Syria-Russia axis, caused all this blow-back. A typical result of high level strategic thought that ignores both fact and humanity, at our peril. Think who you might be addressing before you hurl cheap insults from anonymity.

          • Mow_the_Grass

            No ‘cheap insults’ here.
            btw – who the heck am I addressing here ol ‘pal/ette’ as you type away in ‘anonymity’.
            My comment stands.

          • Dryermartinithanyours

            You stand your ground, as I would in your circumstances. Reminds me of colleagues with years in MI, IDF, erstwhile BETAR pals, and former Irgun people. There’s no calm when your back is to the wall and you’re in the thick of it. We’re in agreement on who benefits. I’m aware Islam was well alight w.r.t the modern West by 1850 and the advent of a progressive Israeli state didn’t create this, but to the Islamic world it was an extension of imperialism especially after the British Mandate. Incendiary onto the flames, it even gave fuel to a perverse Marxism within political Islam. Does Russia benefit from any of this either? Whatever causes chaos is fuel for the enemy and trying to convert the inconvertible to instant democracy merely give them an opening, the surest way to cause what you now have on your doorstep and inside your house. Treating Russia as the enemy instead of an ally is about the very worst thing that can be done.

    • Davidsb

      Surely, when compared to the domestic disasters on his watch (guns for Mexican gangs, Solyndra and others, “affordable” healthcare, targeted IRS investigations, etc), President Obama’s foreign policy issues seem like minor bumps in the road….

      ;¬)

  • Trailblazer10

    “It’s not, as some Tory MPs have alleged, that Obama hates Britain.”

    Yes he does. As the author points out, Obama is a globalist – the new world for international communism.

  • jeffersonian

    ‘Obama’s election in 2008 inspired the world.

    Well, some of it. But therein was the problem: he was elected for *what* he was, rather than *who* he was.

    • rosebery

      Standard issue Chicago-machine politician who happened to be of mixed race.

  • Dryermartinithanyours

    Admirable as Tim Montgomery may be, and as supportive of an exit as I am , I feel this particular piece underscores the problems in the US political divide. President Obama is neither “abrasive” nor cold, nor is he wrong to back away from the insanity of assaulting President Assad. Undemocratic on gun control? In the foyer of a Philadelphia hotel some years ago I overheard an NRA-sponsored Republican congressional candidate calling the NRA hotline in DC, asking them to answer “21 specific questions a female reporter faxed me” on his position on gun control after he had “fobbed her off” with vague answers. That’s democratic? As for Tony Abbott, I admire him too but for his support base from the extremes of Israeli neo-cons who pushed him on Syria (to his credit he pushed back), and journalists with deeply questionable ethics like Peter Day who penned his paean in the Australian Spectator some years before his power play with their backing.

  • The Masked Marvel

    Few of them would allow citizens of much poorer neighbouring states to have full rights to live and work in their countries or let foreign courts change their laws.

    In case Montgomerie hasn’t noticed, Obama has been forcing that on the US since he took office. He has given extra-legal orders to this effect and federal agencies do his bidding in contravention with existing law. Additionally, Obama is on record saying he sees Europe as a model to which American should aspire.

    Why did his election in 2008 inspire the world, Tim? Were you inspired. Is it cos he is black?

  • wammnebu

    Perhaps because i’m not British, but the only Stay camp “arguments” i seem to hear are thinly veiled threats to punish the wrong decision.

    There are a lot of things the US and the UK could do to damage the special relationship, but this being one of them is nonsense. The UK isn’t Saudi Arabia or Uzbekistan, the US doesn’t work with the UK just because the state dept. says we do. The two countries are interlocked on a cultural and economic level that couldn’t just be severed overnight. The only way for Obama to be right would be belligerent actions of his own volition. And arrogant as he may be, no one is going to let him burn down centuries of cooperation in a last-day-on-the-job temper tantrum. Britain already has its own voice in most major international institutions (UNSC, G8, G20, NATO), at best, it means Foggy Bottom has a little more work.

    The Brexit would do nothing to us/uk relations, and everyone knows it, that’s why the threats (sorry, “dangers”) are so vague.

    • Mary Ann

      But Trump would be capable of anything and doesn’t believe in think first.

      • Lazydaisy

        His “thoughts” on our referendum are that it is entirely our business. It’s a position far more statesmanlike than O’Bomber’s. But then Trump doesn’t depend on back-handed funding, does he?

      • Reluctant Mlungu

        People like you just KNEW in 2008 that Obama was already the Greatest President Ever! (TM) and lost no opportunity to repeat it at the rest of us, ad nauseum, for the next 6 years at least. Now that you have been proven utterly and completely wrong, why should your current opinions carry any weight whatsoever?

    • Lazydaisy

      Personally, having seen O’Bomber attain power on a promise of “bringing the boys home” and “providing universal healthcare” – and failing to deliver either – I think his presidency has been a dismal failure except for those patronising gimps who appear to be impressed when someone who has a drop of “non-white” blood can walk and chew gum at the same time.
      And as a Brit who has seen O’Bomber treat us with the utmost disrespect on every possible occasion, I wouldn’t p*** in his ear if his brain was on fire.
      His reasons for wanting us “in” are as spurious and ignoble as all the rest. And their warnings are conflicting and nonsensical – if we are, as they claim, a pathetic has-been, unable to function without being shackled to an ailing, failing, out-dated, illogical continental empire, then how can we possibly rock the world on it’s axis, as they also tell us? (And that’s without even discussing precisely why we should be the sacrificial lamb to a project which was known to be so unwanted by the people it has been forced on, that it was deliberately hidden from them.)
      We are in a fight for our lives here – democracy once sacrificed can only be re-won by use of military force. On previous occasions, certain Americans in power have seen fit to ignore our findings that there is a dangerous power-grab happening on the continent, calling those who opposed it deluded, and letting their personal dislike of us, and their failure to understand Europe, cloud their judgement. This is no different.
      This is not a game. This won’t go away. Everything possible is being thrown at us, and if we give in then Europe will be lost, and democracy here will be at Ground Zero. There is now – thanks to the EU – more hatred, division, extremism and discord in Europe than at any time since the 1930s. The EU is attempting to form a dedicated military – and the consequences of that, when the “leaders” who command that military have not been elected and cannot be removed by the people, are nightmarish.
      We have a chance, if we Brexit, to begin the dismantling of the monstrous, undemocratic, wannabe superstate by the use of direct democracy rather than bloodshed. We have to take it – and any friend to democracy will help us.

      “The most puzzling development in politics during the last decade is the apparent determination of Western European leaders to re-create the Soviet Union in Western Europe.”

      ― Mikhail Gorbachev

    • Alex De

      the relationship will affected as there some agreements that the US and the EU have signed and the UK wont have access.

  • Clutch Cargo

    We were friends with the British people before the EU and we will be friends whether they remain or leave.
    It’s not for US politicians to tell them what to do. The problem is these silly neocons who have nothing else to do than try to play great games with the world – at the US taxpayer expense.

  • Jacobi

    Obama should mind his own business. Ladies present so must watch my language.

    But it is interesting to reflect on why he has made the trip. Clearly UK in the EU must be
    of some use to Obama, and his Controllers.

    I presume that is because we always do what the Americans tell us and therefore he sees
    us as a means of the Americans influencing or even controlling the EU?

    I have said before that it is daft for UK to come out of the EU except for one reason and that is Turkey.

    Well it seems the Ottoman Turks have won the day and now have the option of sending up to 70 million Ottoman Turks into EU on visas .

    So Brexit!

    • reader

      apologies to our freedom and autonomy loving brethren in the U.K. for this. Our president is solely concerned with “disruption on his watch”.

      • Jacobi

        Nothing personal reader I assure you!

    • antoncheckout

      And when Turkey is later given full membership of the EU we shall have no referendum on the matter, as Hague carefully exempted extension of the EU from the conditions when drafting the parliamentary ‘referendum lock’ bill.

  • Walker25

    As an American I was very upset in 2004 when a British new’s paper felt the need to send emails to Americans urging them to vote for John Kerry . I am even more upset with the President now. The United Kingdom is a sovereign nation and our ally, while our president should certainly convey his thoughts and concerns in private to Prime Minister Cameron, he should not spout off publicly about it.

    • Sgtsnuffy

      THEY USED TO BE A SOVEREIGN NATION NOW THEY ARE BEING CONQUERED BY THE ISLAMICS .

    • putin

      It was also embarrassing for us. That newspaper was the Guardian. A dreadful socialist rag infested with radical feminists and communists. As an editor at the Guardian, Ian Katz oversaw the campaign. He is now editor of Newsnight, which is a BBC current affairs programme. Newsnight used to be quite respected but is also now just a tool for socialist propaganda, like the BBC in general.

      • RicardoRed

        “Infested with radical feminists and communists” – it’s the sort of ignorant comment that makes me wonder who the real fanatics in this country are

        • putin

          It’s called a rhetorical hyberbole. Look it up so you are no longer ignorant of it.

        • The Gimpsons

          Have you not read the Guardian?

      • The Gimpsons

        There has to be some way for us outsiders to stop the Guardian communists from controlling the BBC. Its ridiculous. Why aren’t the Tories stopping this?

    • Please Delete Me Let Me Go

      “Sovereign nation” – Not as long as we remain in the EU.

  • Thats_news

    Mr Obama is the first Black president since John Hanson in 1781, 235 years ago. Obama has been such a dismal failure the next Black president will probably not be before 2251.

    • rosebery

      John Hanson was neither black, nor Swedish. The Liberian Hanson was black, 100 years after John Hanon was President of the Continental Congress, and poor research of family trees gave an incorrect Swedish link.

    • Father Todd Unctious

      John Hanson was from English stock, indentured servants, sent to plantations from England in 1661. He was only President of the Continental Congress, not the USA.

  • Sgtsnuffy

    HEY FOLKS, WE’RE STILL PAYING FOR THIS FUBAR WE CALL OBAMA THE SUN KING AND WE’LL BE PAYING FOR IT FOR THE NEXT DECADE OR SO . SO DON’T FEEL SO BAD, YOU ONLY HAD TO PUT UP WITH THE DOUCHE BAG FOR A FEW HOURS .

  • Zaba

    OBAMA: ISLAM ‘WOVEN INTO THE FABRIC OF OUR COUNTRY SINCE FOUNDING’

    Obama seems significantly more comfortable with this characterization of the historic role of Islam

    than he is with the non-fictional actual historic role of Christianity and Judaism in the American founding.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/02/20/obama-islam-woven-into-the-fabric-of-our-country-since-founding/

    • Frank

      Heavens, I didn’t realise that the early British settlers were all muslims. Why was I not told? Was this what the Boston tea party was about, ie not enough apple tea for the very many muslim settlers in Boston?
      Also good that Obama has shown which side he is on by calling us his friends, I got confused when he referred to the Falklands as the Malvinas!
      Used to think that Trump was pretty ghastly, have to say I now feel quite converted to his cause (after all he can hardly be worse than Obama!).

    • Cassandra

      People seize on the fact that Jefferson had a copy of the qur’an to argue that he respected Islam. They aren’t so keen on noticing that it was in the context of declaring the Barbary War, in which the Americans fought pirates and slavers from the North African Coast, to whom they had previously been paying bribes.

      It made sense to Jefferson to know his enemy, & he was appalled by the arrogance and certainty of ignorant men.

      • Zaba

        People seize on the fact….

        Mostly muzlim apologists do this……

  • Callan

    Just listened to the BBC’s Sopel from the US loudly justifying Obama’s insulting intrusion into the UK’s own affairs. Well, given the fact his job is to hang around the great and good of the US like a bad smell, he would wouldn’t he? This is same Sopel who, on air, nearly wet himself with excitement on being granted a fawning interview with his hero.

    • Alex De

      it is not an intrusion he is saying his opinion like all the leaders of the world are doing too.

  • putin

    “Obama’s election in 2008 inspired the world.”

    It was more of an anointing as far as the press was concerned. It reminded me of Blair’s 1997 election in that regard. I knew in both cases that neither of them would be held to account with any journalistic vigour. In Blair’s case he earned the moniker “Teflon Tony” supposedly because nothing stuck to him. In fact, he got away with so much because most of our useless press worshiped him. To emphasise the point, back to America: Nixon would not have been impeached if he had been a Democrat. That is the unfortunate reality.

    • njt55

      And a Democrat who should have been impeached, Clinton, wasn’t.

  • Lady Magdalene

    “They simply want us to put our national interests second and the wider interest first.”

    Precisely. Obama should be told in no uncertain terms by the British electorate to STFU. It’s none of his business.

    • Alex De

      everyone is free to have an opinion and I am afraid Obama is right about this idiocy of Brexit.

      • antoncheckout

        That’s not even an opinion – it’s a groundless assertion.

        • Alex De

          Unfortunately it is not and people like you supporter of Brexit do not like to accept reality of facts

          • The Buttscratcher Jimmy

            Such as?

    • henry

      No, Obama’s opinion is hugely relevant to us. The way the USA reacts to the vote will have large ramifications for us. They’re one of our biggest trade partners and political partners. He’s just giving us the information we need to make an informed decision. If you don’t want to listen to it, that is how a democracy works: you can form your own opinion. Obama is not impinging on that at all.

      • oneeyedman

        What he should have said was that it was the UK’s decison about leaving and left it at that . He cant give us information on the future because he is not part of it. This guy’s track record on either predicting the future or with the present is not good. If Israel can tell Obama to mind his own business then the 5th largest economy in the world can.

      • cirroalex

        MANY Americans, even those that supported Obama – myself included – support a Brexit!!

        The biggest issue in America right now are the trade deals like NAFTA which have cost us millions of jobs and trillions of dollars.

        There is ZERO appetite in this country for globalization and I can guarantee you we will vote in a new President/Congress who reflect that sentiment.

        An independent Britain will still be a very close ally.

  • Raddiy

    He came he spoke, he played 4th fiddle to the death of Prince, Victoria Wood and the guy on Question Time who crafted a new one for Paddy Ashdown.

    It is a pleasure to behold, watching the political establishment, media and the chattering classes telling us what they think is going on, waxing lyrical that the Obama event will be a game changer, only to find it pigeon holed between the death notices and the witterings of a clapped out old LibDem.

    Pure gold!!

    • Blindsideflanker

      It was amusing to see Paddy Ashdown get shouted down by the audience on QT.

  • logdon
    • Zaba

      much worse

      obama loves islam

      • logdon

        That’s because he’s a Muslim.

  • Maureen Fisher

    Try selling open borders with Mexico to his own electorate.

    • Trailblazer10

      Obama wants open borders. They pretty much have that now as a result of his deliberate interference. It is THE issue . America will soon cease to exist unless action is taken immediately. Obama’ s purpose is to destroy the US.

      • gmv8

        And seemingly the UK as well…. He doesn’t appear to believe in democracy, and the right to be able to vote for your leaders and law making.

  • peejayuk

    Obama’s mention of the thousands of American dead in European cemeteries is sickening. Those brave men died trying to PREVENT a united Europe lead by Germany!

    • putin

      Obama’s previous and current directors of speech writing are John Favreau and Cody Keenan respectively. Both of them in their early 30s. I doubt they know very much about European history, particularly pertaining to WW2.

      • hobspawn

        So, they have a pretty good idea of where it’s at, actually? So, they have both watched Saving Private Ryan a whole bunch of times?

      • David Prentice

        I read about his freshman speech writer, Keenan, many years ago and couldn’t quite believe it. Ah yes, but then he has his veteran grey beards to whom he turns for the serious speeches, I thought. Apparently not.

    • BTejon

      many upticks if I could

  • britbob

    About time Obama and the US moved off the fence from ‘recognizing the de facto UK administration of the Falklands’ to realizing that Argentina’s Falklands’ claim is spurious and that they have been duped into believing propaganda. Time to recognize that only the Falkland Islanders can determine how and by whom they are governed and dismiss that mythical Malvinas fairy tale:

    https://www.academia.edu/21721198/Falklands_1833_Usurpation_and_UN_Resolutions

  • mortsnerd

    Forget everything you hear about aging populations, Obama and Canada’s Prime Minister Zoolander were elected by the slight majority of USers and Canadians who are of the 12-16 years-of-age demographic. Who knew that underage boys and girls had the right to vote?

  • William Brown

    To paraphrase Douglas Murray during a Sky News interview alongside Sarah Churchwell yesterday:

    “(if) A tiny group of people (were) coalescing more and more power towards themselves and (having) less and less interest in the opinions of people across the Union, I can assure you that your country of birth (America) would not tolerate it”.

    That alone should make every democratically minded individual want to vote Leave.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SUBXiGNQlc

  • cmflynn

    Popo the puppet will say anything………..When somebody else pulls the string.

  • Benthos

    Yes but he was awarded a Nobel prize?

    • dipsplepskik

      A meaningless award which bestowed disdain upon it’s donors…

      • Benthos

        Exactly.

    • Tara Connor

      NOBEL PRIZE!! HAH HAH!

  • Lady Magdalene

    We’re being asked to sacrifice our country: our Sovereignty; independence; democracy; Common Law; social cohesion; and sense of nationhood for what the USA considers “the greater good.”

    We’re supposed to put up with mass, uncontrolled immigration; an NHS and public services which are put under intolerable strain; overcrowding; destruction of our green and pleasant land in order to build houses for migrants; continual transfer of £billions every year; dictatorial governance from foreign politicians and for what? Nothing that’s in OUR interests.

    The EU is destroying this country. And that’s what Obama wants us to mandate with our Referendum.

    NO WAY.

    • RicardoRed

      overdramatic – much?

      • hobspawn

        Not really. He only scraped the surface of what is wrong with EU membership.

      • Trailblazer10

        It is accurate.You are in much greater danger than you realise.

    • Trailblazer10

      It is not what the USA considers. It is the extreme leftist Obama administration and the donor class Rinos. They operate as a Uniparty.

      That is why the leftists, Rinos and the controlled MSM are constantly spreading false anti Trump narratives.

  • Alex De

    never read such a more ignorant articles. Obama is talking facts that leaving campaign Supporters does not want accept. if the UK is out of the EU , the UK is in a deep s….t

    • cerius lee

      your English is better than my…whatever your language is…but really? We’re the second largest economy in the EU, we’re a UN security council permanent member, we have global trade and excellent international relations (slightly tarnished by our recent support of the US) only 13% of our economy is based on EU trade, which won’t stop as contrary to some opinion you don’t need a trade deal to trade! I’m sure if Canada and Australia (much smaller than us) can manage to survive as sovereign countries that we’ll do just fine…

      • Alex De

        I said that the UK economy is the largest economy in the EU which is true based on the fact that we have access single market. The financial sector which produces 17% of the GDP majorly is produced because of the single market access in Europe most of the goods that we have in the UK are imported from Europe. what we actually export from the uk to Europe almost nothing. You mention Canada. Canada has a big agreement of trading with the United States. how many jobs the UK will lose if the UK is out of the EU? What will be the value of the pound which is already not good to do to the uncertainty that this referendum is creating. Once we’re out the UK with just a doomed country there’s no way they will be able to negotiate….. instead of talking propaganda pls come out with reality not talk show with dreams….

        • cerius lee

          2nd largest after Germany – Perhaps you could shed some light on exactly which jobs would be lost and why? …sounds like you’re the one spouting propaganda. There may be some adjustment in the financial services sector but the City has been a major financial centre long before the EU and we have expertise and advantages that would make it very difficult to abandon…as for our trade with the eu…we sell them 220 billion pounds worth….we import about 280b making us a net importer of c60billion pounds… we can always drink Australian wine and drive Japanese cars…;)

        • CRSM

          Can anyone translate this gobbledygook into English for me?

      • Alex De

        Typing from a bloody that types on its own…..I hope it is clear…I like reality and not fiction

      • Alex De

        The UK is the second largest economy in Europe because it has access to the single market however if you how to the single market what is it going to happen? The financial markets in the London produces the 17% of the UK GDP because we have access to the single market.

      • Alex De

        Do you know what I mean cross border issue in the financial sector? I guess you do not

    • Benthos

      Yes right of course we are.

    • Jingleballix

      Rubbish……..we can easily make it in the world without being tied to the ever-increasingly dysfunctional Fourth German Riech.

      • Alex De

        It s funny when all of u say we can make it without EU without saying how and everyone with a brain saying the opposite. Finance and economics are not based on dreams they are based on facts

        • Jingleballix

          Now that’s just codswallop……..Corbyn has a brain?

          As for ‘economic facts’………well, 20yrs ago, all the ‘brains’ – that I assume you refer to – were saying that it would be a ‘disaster’ for UK not to join the euro…..and we all know what has happened there

          …….now the same people are saying that it would be a ‘disaster’ for UK if we left the EU……….go figure.

          The EU is incompetent, overbearing, corrupt, undemocratic and is also headed for absolute catastrophe.

          Cameron and Osborne cannot come up with a single positive reason to stay……..lies, scare-stories, dodgily-cobbled together statistics and guest appearance from failed politicians – Kinnock, Clarke, Patten, Clegg, Ashdown etc. etc. – who do not declare that they are funded by the EU is all they have.

          We must leave……..would be richer, freer, safer and happier with our newly rediscovered independence.

          Lastly – what I can’t understand is how socialists are all for the EU – Brussels is a stinking pit of privilege and elitism, corruption and cares nothing for the people, and rewards big businesses, it is a paradise for corporatism……..how on earth can all that be squared with socialism?

          Bye.

          • Alex De

            Man you are talking nonsense….Cameron and Osborne told u facts based on what is the UK economy today not 20 yrs ago….the way you talk is based on dreams that I am afraid your Johnson, Gove and farage have no clue about it. Even Johnson father is against him….He is trying to be PM….anyhow stop trolling nd get serious job

          • Jingleballix

            You really are a clueless c*** are’n’t you?

            For a start – Osborne’s case was entirely based on 2030!!

  • Mel S

    Oh, isn’t THIS precious! All you foreigners JUST ABSOLUTELY LOVED OBAMA while he was touring your countries and apologizing for how terrible America is! Now, you don’t want him around because he might say something you don’t like? Boo hoo!
    Also, if I see one more British actor talking about a candidate for our election, or talking about their opinion of who they think should be the president, I might throw up. Also, weren’t you discussing BANNING TRUMP? You all sure do like to talk about what YOU think is best for US, but don’t want to hear the president’s opinion? Typical.
    How about you keep your opinions to yourselves before asking us to do the same, okay?

    • RicardoRed

      Spot on.

    • cerius lee

      I think you’re the foreigner here!…;)…it’s one thing for a luvvy actor to express an opinion (who can take them seriously anyway?) another for the head of state to interject…I don’t mind any American recommending us stay in the EU as long as they are quite happy for all Mexicans and Canadians to have the legal right to live and work in the US and for those gov’t’s to set up a court that can over ride the US…anything else is shear hypocrisy….oh I nearly forgot and for the US to pay them billions for the privilege…

      • Trailblazer10

        “quite happy for all Mexicans and Canadians to have the legal right to
        live and work in the US and for those gov’t’s to set up a court that can
        over ride the US”

        That is exactly what Obama wants.He is the poster boy for the regressive left and international communism.

        • cerius lee

          well that’s fine then…some people just won’t learn the lessons of history, they’ll keep re-naming their brand of socialism and it will keep failing and resulting in serfdom…

          • jackscht

            Hows Corporatist Fascism going…..the debt and inequality is?

          • Trailblazer10

            They are the same thing. The regressive left and the donor class Rinos form a Uniparty.

            A ruling class of the politburo and oligarchs,. The rest of you are serfs, kept in place with relentless propaganda, re education camps, and for those resistant to indoctrination – state repression.

            Everybody is equal – but some are more equal than others.

      • jackscht

        Still not comprehending that America is a union of states that gave up their sovereignty to become the United States. Haven help us!!!

        • Tara Connor

          —that could change, someday,in future; if American states get sick of the fed. govt. they could one at a time, go rogue.TEXAS could do it now,if they wanted–they are that powerful.a lot of taxpayers hate Obamacare.

      • Tara Connor

        I’m an AMERICAN, AND i SAY, “DUMP THE EU ANY TIME YOU WANT(JUST DON’T LET IT AFFECT THE STOCK MARKET.)

        • henry

          How on Earth do you propose we leave the EU without any impact on the stock market? Even Brexiteers recognise there will be uncertainty, and uncertainty means the stock markets will fall. It’s not like we will melt down, but it seems pretty inevitable there will be an initial hit.

    • hobspawn

      I wouldn’t ban Trump. I would ban Obama.

      • jackscht

        Of course you would dear. Not the brightest are you.

        • hobspawn

          Do you always open conversation with those with whom you disagree by insulting their intelligence? It makes it seem like you came here to bait rather than have discourse. I believe there’s a word for that.

          • CRSM

            Who is the voodoo fetish image that this poster uses?

      • CRSM

        Obama is a good reason why eugenics is needed.

    • lambchowder

      America is terrible and should follow the example of the rest of the civilized world hth

    • jackscht

      Actually most of us do support Obama but you wont find them on this far right site but to be fair, whoever is elected in the U.S. affects the whole world and our lives, so all of the world has an interest in that.

      • Benthos

        It was the best day of my life when he got the Nobel prize.

        • CRSM

          If you’re American, then you have just shown me that inhabitants of the USA do use irony!

          • Benthos

            😉

    • Major Tom

      I’m From the UK and completely agree with you.(well, clearly not the over generalized “all you foreigners bit!)
      Also, if the leader of the free world has something to say on a big issue I’m about to vote on, I want to hear it

      • CRSM

        Who is this “leader of the free world” you mention?

        • cerius lee

          where is the free world? I want to go!…

    • gmv8

      Can you imagine leaders from any other country coming over to America and telling you what to do? Yeah, you can have Cumberbatch, because we don’t want him!

      • henry

        Obama is not telling us what to do, he made it clear it was “up to the British”. He gave the USA’s stance which is important information for us to know to make an informed decision on the referendum. When making such a big decision I definitely want to know how one of our biggest trade and political partners will react. We need to put personality aside, this debate is far more serious than just “Obama is arrogant”. Maybe he is, who cares. What is crucial is that the USA is not supportive and trade deals would be a low priority, and he argues his case. As a democratic process, you can make of that what you will. This is simply more information, and are you suggesting you don’t want that when making a decision like this?

    • henry

      This comment section isn’t really representative of the UK though. Most people I know are glad Obama made an intervention, even if they’re pro Brexit. In the end what the USA thinks and does really makes a difference to us, so certainly I for one want to know what Obama thinks. As they say, when America sneezes the world catches a cold. So, we do care, actually.

    • CRSM

      Would you be one of those “Rednecks” we keep hearing about?

      • Mel S

        I am an Appalachian American! Learn the correct, PC term.

  • cerius lee

    we’ve only paid off the ww2 debt to the US in 2006….perhaps ww1 was too hard on Germany but they got off lightly after ww2…no wonder the original EU member states looked a good club to join all growing -what else could they do. The Germans have arranged the EU to suit themselves not sure it’ll survive with the French, Italians, Spanish, Greeks etc all very different economically and culturally …better to watch the ship sink from the side than be on it…

    • RicardoRed

      But we’re a soverign nation. we’re not in the euro. So if it does go t!ts up, we’re in no differint position.

      • cerius lee

        sovereignty is a big issue – there are things we’re just not allowed to do, things only possible outside of the EU such as reduced regulation, lower energy prices, removing the Common External Tariff and setting up our own trade deals around the world (currently prohibited by the Treaty of Rome) but yes we’re not in the EU however our contributions are based on our economy so perversely the more the Euro fails the more we have to pay in to subsidise it…

        • CRSM

          True: but sadly the UK’s high energy prices are mainly because of some foolish extra tariffs added by our home-grown ‘leaders’.

      • cerius lee

        if only that were true…our EU contributions are linked so if the euro zone falters we pay in more thus subsidising the failure…

    • jackscht

      Blah blah blah we’ve heard that old scratched record since the 1960’s and still countries are clambering to join our Union.

      • cerius lee

        Who’s union? the United Kingdom’s? or would that be the EU…of which we are still a part and of course it’s still as much our EU as it is any other members…isn’t it?

  • hobspawn

    Here’s an idea: why doesn’t the US join the EU. They could have one vote in 29. They could put Walter Mondale and Dan Quayle in the commission. It would dramatically increase their influence and enable them to trade with Europe for the first time. The free movement of rapugee/terrorists across the Atlantic would make them safer too. Only Little New England Apple Pie racists could argue against it.

    • Morgan D

      Great idea!

    • jackscht

      Oh dear. They already did that, that’s why they are called the ‘UNITED’ States.

      • cerius lee

        had to have their bloodiest war to achieve the United part…yugoslavia and the USSR are closer examples of the EU model…they went well…

      • hobspawn

        Fascinating. Please explain the similarities between the EU Commission, the EU Parliament, and the US Houses and the Presidency in more detail. This should be a laugh.

    • cerius lee

      The remainiacs are like kids at the beach hiding behind their little tariff wall only watching forces they can’t control gradually erode it…time to stop hiding behind a protectionist, outdated project and embrace the 21st century, time to go GLOBAL!

    • Tara Connor

      –we would sooner start to break off from fed.govt., than join a EU—like another left-wing govt. we don’t want??

    • Kyle Pazandak

      The US did something similar to the EU with the articles of Confederation. Where each state was basically a country in itself… That fell so bad that it was replaced with the constitution.

  • Holy God we praise Thy Name

    The sooner we’re shut of Obama and get Trump the better.

  • Ozfan

    He’s on the radio now saying UK would be at the back of the queue for a trade deal with USA if we left the EU. So much for being a good friend of the UK who values the “special relationship”! These people would say anything. Scares me to think what has Cameron promised him in order for him to say this nonsense?

    USA of all countries is fast acting and commercially driven. They’ll do a deal in a trice if it suits them. Anyway Obama won’t be around when the deals are negotiated.

    Lame duck, golf-playing, self-regarding President who rose without trace. His foreign policy has been to drop long-time allies, appease enemies and walk away from mess the US made in the ME.

    • lambchowder

      He’s still in the US and the UK alone doesn’t make a great reason to go to war with Russia, if that’s what you mean

      • CRSM

        Are you some sort of first-generation artificial intelligence programme?

    • cerius lee

      we’ll just start selling Oil in pounds….I’m sure Russia and China would trade on our exchange…me thinks the Americans might re-think the special relationship pretty quickly…

  • lambchowder

    Trump should build a wall in the US…and then drop it on the crap parts of southern England that are plopping out all these little Englander Christian dominions dickheads

    • ossettian

      Does Mommy know you’re using her laptop?

      • CRSM

        Doesn’t sound as if he knows how to use a laptop. Probably a “my first computer” apple tablet.

  • jackscht

    Oh Timmy Timmy Timmy….keep digging and I suggest you start taking Prozac one week before the 24th June, sonny.

  • Benthos

    The only reason Obama wants us in the EU is rope us into TTIP.

  • cerius lee

    On the US perhaps it’s about time we started taxing Google, starbucks, amazon, Expedia etc at transaction stage…

    • Budgeter

      They do, it’s called sales tax and it’s collected by the individual states.

      • cerius lee

        I was referring to corporation tax here in the UK where those companies pay virtually zero (it funny how people think nothing of pressing enter and sending all of their money to countries to which we have no trade deal) but we also have a similar thing to sales tax,,,it’s called VAT, the EU decide the parameters of how much we can charge, our own government is powerless

  • Tara Connor

    Honestly, we Americans are so sick of Obama, the tax-payers are sick of him; our taxes went up three times as much!!He IS a weak, lousy, pro-socialist dummy. even liberals are sorry they voted for him, and AFRICAN-AMERICANS don’t like Obama!!He is a failure at world-politics, maybe the democrats failure will affect Hillary.

    ALSO. I am leveling with you–Hillary might lose just for this weird reason—the mass of voters in the US, still cannot see a woman president. I am not kidding!! a voting booth is anonymous.We are STILL very much a male-driven fed. govt., congress,and WA DC has mostly male politicians.We have FEW relatively female, elected heads of govt. Also, many women vote for men.It’ll be interesting to see if it still goes that way.

    • Budgeter

      There are many qualified republican women governors who would make excellent presidents. Crooked Hillary’s base wants a woman, any woman, and a democrat.

    • Natalie

      Hillary might lose because she’s a friend to Wall Street; because she believes in the death penalty, because “neo-liberalism” is far to the right of anything rational, because there is no remaining middle class; and she will not reveal the content of her highly-paid speeches. It is NOT because she is female but because she is the biggest War Hawk in the USA.

  • cerius lee

    just seen some of Obama’s speech…the most damage to the US/UK relationship in living memory…

    • Tom McCawley

      Please remember that he will be out of office in a few months and things will almost certainly improve after that. Even HilIary doesn’t come close to his in your face arrogant condescending belief that he knows whats best for every one in every way and has not just the right but the duty to tell us mere mortals how to live our lives.

      • cerius lee

        The people that he’s insulting are in the majority the same people who normally support America…I don’t think you’ll get the same support should you want cover for a military intervention…because Cameron will also be gone…the US has just told us, they couldn’t care less about us…just not the sort of thing Brits forget or forgive easily…and that’s coming from a Brit who was part educated in Maryland and Virginia and pledged allegiance to the flag every day!

        • hobspawn

          Yes, I have argued long hours for the transatlantic relationship in the past, when confronted with facile British leftism. I won’t bother now. The naked self-interest of Obama in trying to get US firms into NHS hospitals via TTIP has prompted this extraordinarily ill-judged intervention. We need to concentrate on our other historical allies, the ones with whom we still share cause: the Commonwealth.

  • horserider

    Hilarious article. Leave has officially lost it. The plot and the referendum.

    • gmv8

      Presumably, you don’t believe in democracy? Hopefully the only thing they’ve lost is the EU.

      • henry

        The EU is a democratic organisation. We elect MEPs who must approve all laws passed – including those from the Council which everyone loves to complain about. The UK has a strong influence – the strongest of them all in the EU at getting its way, according to recent research. That the EU is undemocratic is a fallacy. Every country has a veto, so how much more power do you want to give us at the negotiating table? Even the British government uses committees and groups which were not directly elected, but we’re appointed, to draft up certain laws. Why is this suddenly a problem in the EU then, it’s how a democratic government typically works?

        • hobspawn

          “The UK has a strong influence – the strongest of them all in the EU at getting its way, according to recent research.”

          Or you could just look at the voting record, which shows that Britain has the worst record of voting success of all EU countries. We are systematically ignored and overruled.

          Look at the gulf between Cameron’s stated aims before the ‘renegotiation’ and what he actually got. Influence my ​arse. You’re under the influence.

    • henry

      The way to try to convince Leave to switch to Remain though (and that’s what we really need to secure a win) isn’t by insulting them though. We need intelligent, calm discussion, not names and quips. We have not by any means won the referendum – I have to admit their campaign is better than Stronger In in many ways. We cannot become complacent.

      • Chris Taylor

        O Henry. You are so wrong. How can you want to be in servitude? To lose your right to be free? To be powerless over the direction of your life, family and country? To praise your captors as your friends and helpers? You do not know how the EU works or it’s direction of travel. You are in the Matrix. Wake up!

        • henry

          That all sounds very nice but you’ve not said anything which actually says anything substantial or supports any of those claims. I don’t care about name calling or conspiracies about a matrix like system. Give me facts to support that bizarre claim and sensationalist statements and we can discuss things.

          • hobspawn

            Heinrich, pal, nice try. Just read Daniel Hannan’s book, ‘Why Vote Leave’. It’s not too long, so you should manage it. The facts are all in there. The EU is slow dying.

  • Traintime

    Great article.
    As an American, I am deeply ashamed that this arrogant and self-centered man is our President.
    I hope that we will show true contrition by throwing his party out of office.

    • Tara Connor

      –DITTO.

    • Dual Bag

      Agreed!

  • Shannon Barron Lake

    As an American I feel I need to apologize for Obama. Ignore him completely. You may think he hates Brits but it seems he hates Americans more so we understand your aggravation with him. He has propped up wall street at the expense of main street. He refuses to enforce the immigration laws to the extent that we have actually have a bigger immigration problem than you have in Europe but it just isn’t being reported in the news. The best thing about the man is he is soon to be history. If Trump wins the election, you can be assured that the TPP will be dead in the water and he would immediately work out a trade deal with Brittan. All of the political establishment people in both countries need to understand the people have had enough of their jockeying for a seat at the global table at the expense of the people they are supposed to represent. For you folks in Britain, weigh the pros and cons and decided what is in your personal best interest and the best interest of your country. Regardless of which way you decide, the sky is not going to fall, life will go on and the rest of the world will adjust to whatever you decide.

    • John Clegg

      Thank you.

  • gmv8

    Can we ban Obama from the UK?

    • Dual Bag

      Dear God….. Please keep him

  • Babblerem

    If until now I had been undecided about voting whether or not to leave the|EU President Obama’s remarks today have confirmed that I will definitely vote to leave as soon as possible.

    • Dual Bag

      Smart! And I’m a yank.

      • Budgeter

        Me too. And I also agree.

      • Babblerem

        Great! Thanks.

  • Tom McCawley

    If you are lucky, Obama will have the same effect on this debate that he has had on the gun control debate in the United States. Every time he opens his mouth, gun purchases soar. If the number of Brexit supporters increases in response to Bam Bam’s condescending sophistry to the same extent that gun ownership has increased here, you will be an independent county again soon.

    • WTF

      That’s my read on it as well. His interference is a toxic touch that perhaps Cameron is now regretting. Attitudes have changed in the west after decades of nepotism & the elite establishment and just as the more the liberals bashed Trump the more support he got. The reverse is also true in the more the usual fear baiters & race dividers spin their lies, the more they provide ammunition to the other side and in the USA, literally so !

  • henry

    Regardless of what you think of Obama, to make an informed decision on voting day we need to know how the USA, one of our biggest trading partners and political collaborators, will react to a Brexit. Obama is right to inform us of the USA’s stance.

    Regardless of whether you want to stay or leave the EU, it is crucial to know in no uncertain terms that the USA is not supportive and that we will be a low priority for trade deals. As a democracy, it is in your right to then make a decision based on that, his opinion doesn’t impinge on that at all. The more information the better.

    • Dual Bag

      Obama?
      Please, America is sick of him and the liberal twits that vote Democrat…..

      • henry

        My very first sentence was “Regardless of what you think of Obama”. The point isn’t what he is like. The point is that the way the USA reacts to the UKs decision is critical information to make a decision. Obama is right to provide us with the USA’s stance, even if you think he’s an idiot.

        There is too much person-bashing in this debate. We need to look at facts, figures, statistics. I do not like David Cameron as Prime Minister, personally. But on this issue he is right. Let’s put personality to one side and look at what we should do objectively.

        • Shannon Barron Lake

          Obama is on his way out. His opinion means nothing because he is a lame duck president. If you want to know how the US will respond then you need to pay attention to what Trump and Hillary say. If Trump, there will be a trade agreement in place quickly. If Hillary, there will be a trade deal done fairly quickly as well. She is only against trade deals when she is running for office. When her or Bill are in office, she never met a trade deal she doesn’t like. Regardless of which wins the election, relations between the countries will improve. It is just Obama that seems to dislike our long time allies. Make the decision based on what is best for the UK not the opinion of one politician that will not be in power in a few months.

        • cerius lee

          Don’t make the mistake that it’s all about facts and figures…it’s as much about personalities and culture and ultimately it’s about living in an independent country. my message to Obama…Back of the Q, F you!

    • gmv8

      Obama is a failed president, failed abroad and at home, he has desperately let parts of the world that believed in America and needed his help down. This is his stance, not the US’s and will not be in force for much longer. Goodbye and good riddance to both Obama and the EU.

      • henry

        Just so you know, my stance is currently pro-EU. Obama aside, why would the EU be a good riddance?

        • gmv8

          I believe in democracy, and we are not able to vote for who makes our laws while we are part of the EU. Also lots of people are being made redundant, and are finding it difficult to find housing through the influx from the EU. I have lots of personal experience of this, although it is not mentioned in the media. Big corporations are moving in employees from the EU, while British workers are made unemployed.

          • gmv8

            Or if jobs do come up, they fill them ‘internally’ with people from the EU, who they’ve made redundant.

          • henry

            All sensible reasons. There seems to be so much nonsense on both camps I’m really not sure who to listen to sometimes!

            From a democracy point of view, we of course elect MEPs to the European Parliament. People of course complain about the Council and Commission. But in the Council the UK is also represented, and the European Parliament does have to approve all they try to pass. I do believe it is more democratic than people make it out to be. In the UK we do not complain that we do not vote on laws either, we vote in politicians who propose laws without asking us, and pass them through parliament. We don’t have a complete democracy in that sense. The UK Parliament also nominate committees and groups to come up with these laws without our consultation. In the EU the UK is represented well, and we are on the winning side of votes 87% of the times. Recent research suggested the UK was in fact the best at getting its way in the EU, though that figure is very hard to measure.

            The housing and jobs issue is a real one. Immigration for me is the only issue where I feel like there is a strong case. On the other hand, I personally think the benefits outweigh the costs but it is definitely a sticking point. That said the growth and economy arguments for jobs is strong. But thanks for the input. 🙂

          • Chris Taylor

            We do not elect MEPs. They are appointed by the political party we vote for. As such we cannot remove them directly. This is typical of the EU who have made the bureaucrats who rule us impervious to the will of the electorate. Henry you really need to read up on how the EU really works. Your analysis is full of the presumptions and misconceptions that are trotted out by an ignorant public. You have been conned. Wake up. You might start here http://www.efddgroup.eu/images/publications/Referendum_book.pdf

        • WFB56

          Its goodbye to a bureaucratic, authoritarian institution, the EU, not to European countries as friends and trading partners.

    • 69ABS0

      This guy will be gone v soon.. and Clinton God forbid will be the next muppet.. such an arrogant waste of space ….

    • WFB56

      This simply shows how stunningly ignorant you and most commentators – including Fraser and Forsyth are – of international trade as well as US trade deals. The WTO, not the EU or Obama govern trade relations. Within the US, all trade deals start with trade authority given by the Congress to the President, not the other way around. This doesn’t scratch the surface of either process except to say, a lame-duck President has close to zero impact on this issue.

    • Steve

      Here’s the American reaction to an actual Brexit:

      See that?

      It was nothing.

      America will do nothing.

      It was an intrusive and frankly unjustifiable involvement in a UK domestic referendum (imagine the UK government going to America and openly endorsing one candidate over another? Outragous).

      America is as always allowed to have an opinion, but the UK isn’t a third world CIA installed dictatorship, there is a thing called discretion.

      Considering the “special relationship”, his involvement was an amazing display of disrespect to a so called important ally.
      If America wants influence in the EU here’s a tip: Open a goddamn embassy.
      What Obama’s administration is doing is using the UK like a pawn. If that’s all we’re worth to America then sod the “special relationship”, it obviously doesn’t mean anything.

    • Richard Baranov

      In furtherance to WFB56’s remarks. Obama is hostile to the UK due to his father being Kenyan. Obama actually thinks that the Mau Mau, a bunch of murderous thugs that practiced cannibalism, were ‘freedom fighters’, a matter that my brother-in-law, one of those who had to clear up the mutilated bodies of its mostly African victims, would dispute.

      Also, remember his conduct over the BP spill, trying to pin that on the British, even though BP is no longer a British firm.

      Further, the UK is by far the largest foreign investor in the USA $207 billion , responsible for over a million jobs there so, “the back of the queue”, I hardly think so. It is also interesting that the mighty Barak used a British term, an American would say: Back of the line”. So I suspect he was told what to say, probably by that toad living in 10 Downing street.

      The next President, like it or not, will be Hillary Clinton who is an Anglophile along with her husband, who was a Rhodes scholar. So I hardly think that a lame duck president’s words, given his background of hostility to the UK, is worth a grain of salt.

  • Pete

    If we really do have a special relationship with USA, why would we be at the back of the queue? And by the time we start negotiating, Obama will be an unelected nobody rather than an elected one. His intervention today is a hypocritical disgrace. And fittingly blackmail.

  • Thomas

    I feel that Obama has threatened the UK with being at the back of the trade agreement queue if we leave the EU?? Just makes me want’ to leave more, we won’t be bullied to stay in the EU.

    • cerius lee

      agree, Back of the Q, F you!

  • e2toe4

    The establishment don’t seem to be able to join up the dots..whether Trump/Sanders in the USA..Corbyn here…Marine Le Pen… the referendum…etc etc.

    Everyone thinks the establishment is failing…even the odd fully paid-up member of it…. the answer isn’t easy to find by any means but whatever the answer may be, it definitely isn’t *more establishment*

    They used to sell us dreams..but these days have become so used to pedalling nightmares they think accentuating the negative is going to work for ever more.

    Brown won him the Scottish referendum, when he had half an idea he’d lost it…. God knows what won him GE2015 when he thought it was probably lost…but relying on so over the top succession of doomish predictions seems to be motivated by mistaken analysis that it was being so miserablist wot wun both of them when there was a large constituency both in 2014 and 2015 that voted for his side despite him and George Osborne’s half baked tactics, not because of them. 🙂

    • WFB56

      Lyndon Crosby, Ed Milliband and the SNP won the 2015 General Election for Cameron.

      • e2toe4

        :)) In no particular order

  • Scottydawg

    I’ll limit myself to referring you to your own colleague’s more sensible take on this matter. http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/03/barack-obama-is-right-to-offer-his-governments-view-on-the-eu-referendum/

  • WTF

    Cameron’s mistake was inviting this waste of space over in the first place and his second mistake was for not telling him to keep it zipped over Brexit.

    Poor old dodgy Dave, he’s got enough domestic idiots saying the wrong thing against his remain policies but Obama could be the kiss of death for his remain campaign.

    Thanks ahead of time Obama, this might turn out to be the only good thing for your legacy, sealing
    Britain’s out vote. You wanted change but perhaps not this sort of change !!!

  • Frank

    Well if I wasn’t sure before I am now. Out OUT!
    http://imgur.com/ctfpdM6

  • Budgeter

    The Brits should get out of the EU, if for no other reason obama wants them to stay. He screwed up the US and the Middle East and now he is targeting Europe. Run, very fast.

    • I believe Europe screws itself up regularly all on its own. No need to give Obama credit.

  • rakeem

    Not the biggest Obama fan but this is a pathetic hatchet piece.

    • Trailblazer10

      Yes, it is very mild. The man is a menace and an enemy of Western civilization.

      • rakeem

        Ha!

      • cerius lee

        from the man who’s created the worst migrant crisis in Europe since ww2, who’s created Donald Trump in his own country we now get a slap in the face for the special relationship…Back of the Q, F you!…

  • David Westwood

    Very angry that Obama has threatened the UK and that is what his speech today amounted to,
    he said what good and important friends we were then said, “we would be back of the queue with regards to a trade deal,” so much for good friends! My patriotic instincts have been risen. What makes the threat worse is that it was endorsed by a British Prime Minister. The EU referendum has
    become more of a bullying exercise then a debate.

    On leaving the EU we would result to operating trade on the International rules laid down by the World Trade Organization. This is what the vast majority of nations do, from China, to Russia, to Brazil, to Japan and Australia. It is not rocket science that international trade laws would automatically come into effect. Any specific free trade agreement could be agreed later, but we may find that free trade is not in our interest after all.

    What happens after the referendum is as interesting as the referendum itself. If Cameron wins the vote (and it seems he will) all those disaffected voters will migrate towards UKIP in the same way votes in Scotland migrated to the SNP. At the last general election Cameron offered a referendum on the EU to fight off competition from UKIP. What will be offered at the next? If Cameron loses the
    referendum, there will probably be a Tory government in 2020, but if he wins it, it could be Labour. Cameron is in a lose, lose situation.

  • Sean

    “But when it comes to self-reverence and sheer hauteur there is no one to beat him…” save this author.

    • Gafto

      I don’t think the Tim displays self-reverence or sheer hauteur. What makes you come to this conclusion?

      • Paul S HK

        ‘Tim’ certainly doesn’t shirk rudeness and downright fantasy.

  • Roderick Goggenheimer

    When Tim referenced the “mellifluous sentences and the flash of teeth” was he referring to the watermelon smile?

  • Imperial Presidency? Is U.S. Faux News all that’s piped into the UK now?

    • Steve

      Don’t try and pin your crappy news media on us, you take full responsibility for that and hush up.

      • Well Rupert does come from that side of the pond, so I’m sure he pisses around indiscriminately.

  • Peggi

    Glad to see the Brits like our ‘King’ about as much as most of us Americans do.

  • Bangkok Al

    Uhm, uh… the visit was planned long before the Breexit vote came along. It was originally to coincide with the Queen’s birthday celebration — just another example of BO’s genuflecting in all the wrong directions, according to those looking for a reason to criticize. There’s no need to manufacture reasons, or to personalize the attack: there’s plenty of policy-based fodder on hand as ammunition.

    • cerius lee

      Back of the Q, F you!

  • Kane

    Cameron looked like a loved up puppy dog what a load of cods wallop LEAVE is the only option

  • Doc S.africa

    Great article.

    Obama wants to change and eliminate the western democratic culture.
    He knows the EU is in deep demographic trouble, much of which is the consequence of his deliberate policy, and he wants the UK to go down with it.
    So his policy is socialism, eliminate the boundaries and open the borders.
    Everything Obama has done in terms of foreign policy has been to betray his allies and cozy up to the traditional foes. His legacy is destabilization of the Middle East and now Europe.
    His manner is so condescending that there in little doubt he is a narcissist of the worst kind.
    He is simply one cloud level above the rest of us common folk.
    If Obama says stay in, it means the UK should get out.

  • Kasperlos

    Something tells me that this visit means that regardless of how the British vote, the UK is doomed to remain part of the Brussels slave system, courtesy of your global elite.

    • Steve

      The sad thing is I wouldn’t put it past globalized proto-oligarchy to fix a referendum if it suits them. They certainly haven’t cared about effective democracy for the past 40+ years of the EU, why start now?

  • bfreesun

    All you left out was calling him uppity

    • Maxwell Frere

      So that people like you could say things like that was the reason he was chosen by the Democrats to stand for election.

    • logdon

      I’d reserve that for LaVaughn.

  • Michael Lane

    Obama’s version of West Wing’s Toby Ziegler and the Rob Lowe – (his speech writers) did a beautiful job crafting the piece for the Telegraph. Obama is right … Europe is good. A European Community of Nation States which has democracy built in at its core, a free trade area which is not over protectionist to Trade with the world outside and co-operation in other areas. We just don’t need the secrecy, the arrogance of the EU Oligarchs, the throwing our money around like confetti to buy influence, the ridiculous levels of staffing and pay that EU Officials receive (Tony Blair made Peter Mandelson a Commissioner for just 4 years after one of his scandals and now Peter gets a £31k a year pension for just 4 years work), EU Embassies (Barbados one has 44 staff!), an EU Foreign Minister, two EU Presidents (neither elected), a voting system which the maths shows that nothing can get through unless the Germans and the EU Commission agree with it, the drive to a Federal State of Europe (the recent five Presidents Report), the dominance of one Country’s leader (Merkel) who has made extremely bad decisions on our behalf and whilst immigration has helped fuel the UK recovery … there are still issues with just how fast the population of the UK can grow and how to provide the infrastructure and services needed for these extra people.

    The comment about going to “back of the queue” on Trade deals is facile because we don’t currently have a Trade Deal with the US and haven’t for the last 43 years – since we joined the EU. Even without a Trade deal the US is my businesses largest export market. You don’t need Trade Agreements to Trade. So my conclusion on the Obama intervention is something like this. Dave needed help .. he got him self in fix over the EU so he phoned up Obama. “Barrack I got myself in a bit of fix over Brexit and need you to come and give me some help?”. “No problem Dave” .. says Barrack .. “I just need to clarify another matter with you first. This Libya debacle, I need you take the hit for that one because I can’t have it rubbing off on me and Hilary because of the Presidential Elections and I want to distract away from my many foreign policy cockups”. “OK” says Dave; it not even occurring to him that of course the US wants to keep their spy in the EU club and would have done this anyway. Then Barrack goes on to say, “Get your people to send my people some language for Q&A session”. So they did but forgot to put it through translation first (well they though we both spoke English) and hence how Barrack ended up using the word ‘queue’ instead of ‘line’.

    Yes, an impressive performance – but you would expect that from the Leader of the Free World …. but remember he is a Politician too.

  • WFB56

    “Few of them would allow citizens of much poorer neighbouring states to have full rights to live and work in their countries or let foreign courts change their laws. But that, apparently, is what Britain should accept.”

    Montgomerie has captured this quite succinctly, how would Cameron and Osborne reply? Right, they have no reply to this.

  • Professor Driftwood

    To put it in a nutshell: Mr. President (soon to be Mr. ex-President) don’t interfere in our affairs, go back to the U.S. and end your term in office by sorting out some of your country’s more pressing problems. Please do not lecture us on surrendering our law making powers to the EU ~ something no U.S. commander-in-chief would ever do. I can’t help feeling Obama’s intervention will prove to be counter productive to the remain camp, because British people will feel insulted by this high-handed hypocracy.

  • Professor Driftwood

    Additionally. So we’ll be at the back of the queue if we leave the EU? Boo hoo! Next year there will be a new American administration with new ideas (we hope) and our leaving the EU will be a distant memory.

    • M Mack

      I agree totally, not only that there is no current trade agreement with the US of A and trade seems to work quite well. They sell us a lot of hardware, missiles, etc. We could probably get these cheaper from the Chinese 🙂

  • M Mack

    When will our Dave’ be going to America to tell the Americans how to vote ?

  • Steve

    It’s quite astounding that an American president feels empowered to come to the UK and so brazenly put out his opinion on what he thinks the UK should do.

    Having an opinion is fine, but the UK isn’t some third world CIA installed dictatorship, there are conventions, customs and norms, and dictating down to the British people isn’t one of them.

    Nothing riles up your average Brit more than hypocrisy, and it was a fair assessment by Mr Johnson. America would never deign to subsume it’s sovereignty to a foreign power or organization, much less to one so blatantly undemocratic, and certainly not if it was a failing bloc to boot.

    Although there has been a lot of talk over the last half century about how America is falling into corporatist oligarchy, and the democratic short-comings of their system, so maybe the EU and the US share more in common than they’d care to admit to the average American.

    Well, if the Brexit campaign wins then at least Dave can know where to place the blame. You can convince the British public to swallow a lot of tripe, but the quickest way to lose an argument is to bring in Uncle Sam to fight your battles for you and try and dictate UK domestic policy to us.

    • Stu-M

      But that’s because you didn’t like the message. How many times have we in Britain (rightly, I’d argue) suggest our opinion? For instance, I’m sure we have criticised US gun policy more than once. It’s not that we’re not allowed to give an opinion – and Obama is allowed an opinion too. It just riles when it’s not the same opinion as yours.

      • Mr B J Mann

        It’s not that he has an opinion.

        It’s not even that he has voiced his opinion.

        It’s that, as not just a foreign politician, but a foreign head of state (along with so many of CAMERON’S other “best friends”), he has voiced his opinion during a democratic vote (something he also did with Eire’s g-y marriage vote!).

        And he’s done it during a state visit.

        A major diplomatic no-no!

        Imagine Obama’s reaction if Cameron were to visit the States next year and in an official speech tell the Yanks they should vote Trump to keep Muslims out and get Obamacare scrapped?!?!?!!!!

      • MC

        As the OP stated, having an opinion is one thing, however saying during a state visit that we will be sent to the back of the queue, behind North Korea and others, if we don’t do what Obama says, is undiplomatic at best.
        We have never given a White House Press conference saying the US is weak and needs to remain part of a larger undemocratic group or we won’t trade with you.

    • Lorena K.

      Agreed, Obama needs to keep his mouth shut. It has nothing to do with the US and an American president has no say.

  • James Chilton

    There’s nothing to add to this. Tim Montgomerie’s superb commentary says it all.

  • Geoff

    Obama seems to think that the US sacrifice in WW2 means they have a stake in the referendum debate. This raises two points;

    1. The US joined the war in Europe as mercenaries on a lend-lease basis in March 1941, putting the UK in £billions of debt. That debt was repaid in full in 2006. Hence no stake due, unless he wants to refund all of our debt repayments.

    2. The ‘sacrifice’ was to prevent a Europe controlled and dominated by Germany, isn’t that what Obama now wants to support?

    It seems his thinking is not joined up.

    • MC

      A lot of sacrifice from a lot of countries. The tide had turned well before the tardy entrance of the US and only Hollywood history suggests otherwise.

      • JoeCro

        The entry of the United States in WW2 was decisive, to suggest otherwise shows tremendous ignorance of history.

        • MC

          I presume you’re either a yank or you think Hollywood only produces documentaries.
          At best the war ended earlier, but the tide had already turned against Germany through a collation of nations which didn’t include the US.
          The impact of the USSR was far more critical than the US, and even if the US had stayed neutral Germany would have been defeated by combination of European, Commonwealth and USSR allies.
          To suggest otherwise shows a tremendous ignorance of history.

          • oneeyedman

            I am not a Yank and you are in denial if you think that that the UK and USSR Alliance could have defeated Germany ( and certianly not Japan) without US help .

          • MC

            You seem to ignore what I said: The alliance of European, Commonwealth and USSR would have defeated Germany.
            If one considers the assistance given to the US by the Allies in the Pacific, such as New Zealand and Australia, and well as the UK forces in the region, one can only surmise it is the arrogance of the US that continually ignores the help they received against Japan.
            US causalities amount to 1% of the total. 1% is hardly a game changer. Your argument seems to be one of a butterfly breaking the camel’s back.
            To repeat the point of my original post, I do not deny US sacrifice, merely that Hollywood and the US have a habit of overemphasising their role in the result.

          • Central power

            It is getting tedious. Winston Churchill confessed: ‘The only thing that ever really frightened me during the war was the U-boat peril.’ This peril was definitely removed by the deployment of the long range B24 Liberator bombers which led to the closure of so called Mid Atlantic gap. I guess you never heard of the convoys (where did the supplies come from?) which kept Britain going during the war. Another little example: BM-13N Katyusha rocket launchers were carried on a Lend-Lease Studebaker US6 truck.

          • MC

            So now you’re conflating the issue by referring to no combatants, which were the thrust of the ‘sacrifice’ discussion. Your arrogance resembles that of Obama; twisted logic debasing the whole premise of the discussion.

            .

            Nothing you have stated suggests that if the US had stayed neutral, Germany would have beaten the UK and its allies. By the time the US made any impact with soldiers in Europe the Eastern front was being won by the Soviets, North Africa was stabilised by the British and with the help of other European nations the air over Europe was being dominated by the Allies. Furthermore, New Zealand and Australia were holding off the Japanese too.

            .

            I don’t dismiss the US contribution, but it is sheer Hollywood nonsense to suggest a 1% sacrifice turned the war from defeat to victory. It may have taken an extra year or two, but Germany was already on a back foot before US soldiers landed in Europe.

            .

            In short, thank you for your small late contribution, US, but don’t overestimate your role. The US did not win the war, they were a small part of a much larger collation which defeated Axis.

            You attempts to belittle with “I guess you never heard of the convoys” is embarrassingly childish at best.

          • Lorena K.

            Your 1% number is just not true. The US lost as many men in that damn war as the UK, Canada, New Zealand and Australia combined. There’s no doubt that Hollywood has been biased towards the American contribution, but that’s the be expected as Hollywood IS American. Just as German, Russian and British based films are biased towards their own viewpoints.

          • MC

            1% is true, go back to school and learn how to count.
            If one takes all casualties, inc civilian, the number will be closer to 0.5%

          • Lorena K.

            No, you need to go back and count. I’ve looked at multiple sources. Of course there were no American civilians lost since the war was not fought on US Soil, but the US lost over 400,000 soliders in the war and the UK lost about 350,000.

          • MC

            So you need to go back to Wikipedia and add up all of the dead including civilians. You then divide the US casualties by the total, and hey presto; 1%.

          • Lorena K.

            OF Course there were more civilian casualties considering it was not fought on American soil. But the US did sent a lot of troups, and more American soldiers died in that damn war than British soldiers and your attempts to belittle and make nothing of those 400,000 American lives lost is pathetic.

          • MC

            your inflated view of the us contribution is making you think I’m belittling their effort; I’m merely correcting the false perspective many, perhaps through falsified media, have of the US contribution. Now you seem to accept the truth of the 1% contribution you should accept that the war was won with or without the US.

          • Lorena K.

            And your notion that only 1% of the war effort was due to the US is insulting and just WRONG. That’s like saying that Britain only contributed 1% to the war.

          • Lorena K.

            You make the mistake of equating lives lost to the contribution to winning a war. The two are not the same. A civilian dying , however sad and irreplaceable, does not necessarily contribute to winning a war.

          • MC

            and as I mentioned, remove casualties from your callous approach, and the US death contribution is only 1.4%
            The yanks were late in, when the war had already turned. The US financially backed Germany throughout the war. Ultimately the war was won with or without the US.
            I tire of your closed mindedness. go and spread your Hollywood myths elsewhere.

          • Lorena K.

            And how much of the casualties were British soldiers? Less than 1%

          • Lorena K.

            And what percentage of the total do British soldiers account for? Less than 1%. Would you make nothing of those lives too? You’re pathetic.

          • Lorena K.

            Right, and so British soldiers were less than .5% as well, so their contribution was nothing either right?

          • Lorena K.

            Simply not true. The US lost over 400,000 soldiers in WW11, approximately the number of solders lost from the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand combined. Russia lost 100,000,000 men, by far the most. But the contribution to the war cannot be measured solely by the number of soldiers killed.

          • MC

            The UK suffered more losses than the UK. Anzacs were involved in a different kind of battle in the pacific.
            You’re now being highly offensive.

          • Central power

            You knowledge of history is zero. Lend lease to the USSR provided countless trucks, jeeps food etc. D Day and landings in Italy would have been impossible without the help of USA. But what are the facts to Brexiters when suppositions and abuse will do.

          • MC

            No matter how ‘Sharp’ your irrelevance is it is still irrelevant.

          • MC

            The USA made money supporting both sides during the war:
            Fordwerke’s, Chase Bank, CocaCola, Standard Oil, all supported the German war effort. (https://libcom.org/library/all

            “We have Standard Oil shipping enemy fuel through Switzerland for the N*zi occupation forces in France; Ford trucks transporting German troops; I.T.T. helping supply the rocket bombs that marauded much of London ; and I.T.T. building the F*cke-Wulfs that dropped those bombs. Long and shocking is the list of diplomats and businessmen alike who had their own ways of profiting from the war.” (Charles Higham, TRADING WITH THE ENEMY, 1983)
            Yes, thank you to our ‘loyal’ allies. Obama continues this trend with his support for Argentina over the Falklands. He has no rights to preach about false friendship and only the cowardice of Cameron allowed him this visit in the first place. Obama will not be welcomed back to the Palace ever again.

          • JoeCro

            The Soviets would have simply kept going were it not for United States, Europe would have been dominated by Stalin.

          • MC

            idle conjecture

          • Lorena K.

            Even before the US entered WW11 it sent a huge amount of money and equipment. Russia lost far more men that anyone in WW11, and we all know the herculean and heroic bravery, fight and sacrifice of the British people and commonwealth countries before the US officially entered the war. But to give the impression that WW11 would have been won without any assistance from the US is just false and smacks of anti-American bigotry. The truth is that if not for the UK, Commonwealth countries, Russia AND the United States working together that war would have had a different outcome.

          • MC

            This was not aid, it was trade. The debt UK created was huge and only recently paid off.
            US also traded an awful lot with Germany. If it wasn’t for US companies supplying Germany there’d be no V2 rockets killing 10,000s of Londoners (engineered & provided by Ford and IITT). Take the US out of the equation and USSR and British allies could have defeated Germany by 1943.

          • Lorena K.

            You do not know your history. and you’re an anti-American bigot who would like to completely negate the American sacrifices and contributions to WW2. This is a fairly succinct and accurate article on the debt from the BBC. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/4757181.stm

          • MC

            You do not know YOUR history.
            I have repeatedly stated I do not ignore the sacrifice made by ALL nations, of which the US was less than 1% of the total.

          • Lorena K.

            By lumping in all the civilian lives lost. I’ll say it again. There were more American soldiers lost in WWII than British soldiers. Only by including all civilians can you get to your 1%.

          • MC

            without civilians, it’s @1.4%
            Keep watching your Hollywood movies, you obviously feel better in that form of reality

          • Lorena K.

            So then I suppose in your eyes the British military contributed even less to the war.

        • MC
    • Lorena K.

      Stop revising history. First of all it was not Billions in debt. The lend-lease act gave Britain a huge amount of goods and money during WW11 and only charged Britain 10% of the manufacturing cost of what was left over. The US taxpayers picked up the other 90% of the cost of lend-lease. It was only paid off in 2006 because the US terms of the loan were so attractive and the interest rate so low, that it didn’t make sense for Britain to pay it off sooner. The large debt that Britain owed the US from WW1 has never been paid to this day. The heartbreaking waste of blood and treasure expended by the US in WW1 (the US was not a wealthy country at the time) was still fresh in the minds of the average US citizen, which is why they were not keen to be entangled in yet another European war when WW11 broke out in 1939. Yes, Britain and its commonwealth countries also lost a huge number of men and money in WW1, but remember, this was a war caused entirely by Europe and had little to do with the US.

      • Geoff

        Yet another Yank wanting to input to Britain’s future, how could we listen to a country that has such voter support for Trump as a potential leader???

        How about we start lecturing America on how to deal with neighbouring states? You could start by giving Texas back to Mexico before Trump builds his wall? Or start a few wars on your own doorstep rather than the other side of the world?

        Or perhaps you could stay out of foreign affairs during election/referendum campaigns, as per common diplomatic agreement?

        • Lorena K.

          I’m not a Yank, I may live in the US now on a green card, but I’m from Scotland and the only passport I hold is a British passport, so keep your lectures to yourself.

  • John M

    What is rather amusing is that David Cameron is so isolated from real voters, and so arrogant, that he doesn’t realise how the patronising and immoral way he is conducting this campaign is alienating many people, including his own supposed base.

  • Wessex Man

    A truly magnificent article, the bloke is truly a loony and now as a reaction we are likely to end up with Trump as the next President of the USA, should be interesting!

  • MC

    The Obama visit has been a great success: I suspect there will be more people voting the leave now!

  • ChrisJHUK

    At the back of the “queue” (line) for a trade deal? Thank heaven for that, because the US-EU agreement, so far, favours the US and not the EU, and Brussels will let them get away with it. Another Argument in favour of Brexit !!!

    • Stu-M

      And the whole point is that a large trading bloc is in a better position to negotiate than a much smaller one. So, even if the UK-US deal happens later, expect us to be even further disadvantaged.

      • MC

        You are arguing it is better to be part of a large target for a big gun than to be no target.
        One day they’ll be a quality argument coming from the IN crowd, but hopefully it will be too late to keep Britain in shackles.

        • Stu-M

          I’m arguing that it is better to have a big gun to fight back with (not that I’m into firearms, of course). We would be absolutely toothless otherwise.

          The phrase ‘be careful what you wish for’ springs to mind…

          • Mr B J Mann

            The “logic” of the left;

            “(not that I’m into firearms, of course). We would be absolutely toothless otherwise.”

            “The phrase ‘be careful what you wish for’ springs to mind…”

          • Sue Smith

            “The logic of the Left” – one of the great 21st century paradoxes.

      • 100

        we have been trading for 40 + years without such a deal, its all hot air.
        The US & the EU nations are not going to stop selling their goods to the UK and vice versa. (and we dont have free movement of people to trade with the rest of of the world so its sure a complete irrelevance to the Brexit argument)
        No one needs to be rushing to join any queue for the foreseeable.
        Tradewise everything will remain as is, there may be a few blips, economically but nothing catastrophic.
        In any case economic hiccups are fair price to pay to rid us from the impending political & security disaster of the EU and to retain Sovereignty, self governance and jurisdiction and total control over Immigration and our own security.
        If others want to make veiled threats then we can withdraw from NATO too, its useless to us. We could only be attacked after the rest of the EU & US were attacked first. We are protected by proxy defacto, we dont need to pay for it. In security and military terms the EU & the US needs us more then we need them.

  • Bobby Traxelrod

    As an American I can understand the resentment towards Obama for his shallow efforts to tip the balance of a decision which should be solely in British hands. That said, I also feel this piece is unfair to the man and bordering on character assassination. For example, he is derailed for his use of executive order as “undemocratic” when in reality he has used it less so than 5 of the last 6 presidents.(http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/orders.php)

    It seems as if this author constructed a narrative and then added facts in afterward for support- which is hardly nuanced, or interesting journalism.

    That said, best of luck with your Brexit vote mates.

    • Mr B J Mann

      But was his use of executive orders more or less “undemocratic” in reality, even if he has used it less than 5 of the last 6 presidents?!

      • Patrick Sydnor

        Exactly. When I argue the point of his overreach by executive order, it comes from the circumstances of those orders. Not the quantity of said orders. He’s screwed us for eight years. Don’t let him do it to you.

      • Bobby Traxelrod

        A fair question. One could say that an executive action is by nature undemocratic because it is an action that bypasses congress to create law. Even this author concedes that most of the actions taken by Obama are agreeable when “viewed from Europe” . Obama certainly has faced unprecedented opposition from a fractured and cynical republican right, vetoing historic amounts of legislation and passing little. There has been some controversy on the scope of his executive action, particularly in regards to immigration, largely due to its direct congressional opposition. Some further reading here :http://www.factcheck.org/2014/11/obamas-actions-same-as-past-presidents/

        • Mr B J Mann

          Perhaps a better would would have been “unconstitutional”?

          • Bobby Traxelrod

            Executive actions are actually a part of the constitution and are determined to be constitutional or not by the judiciary branch

          • Lorena K.

            Changing immigration law by executive action is absolutely unconstitutional. The Constitution is very clear on that point.

        • Mr B J Mann

          From your link:

          “The actions taken by Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush — examples often cited by White House officials — were attempts to address ambiguities in an immigration law that was passed by Congress. Obama’s executive actions are different. They are a response to congressional failure to pass a law, and they affect a far greater number of immigrants currently living in the country illegally.”

          I take it “failure” means democratically rejected it?!

        • Sue Smith

          But surely the American people voted for a majority Republican house? This didn’t happen by an act of God.

    • Dan

      Typical false liberal argument. Obama’s executive actions have taken the creation of law into his own hands far more extensively than other presidents. Counting the number is just a silly argument from the liberal defenders at factcheck.

  • Roelf Smith

    Interesting,
    — Obama is being candid and honest
    — Instead of an internal refelction on the message, ie meeting it head on or bringing other arguments/advantages of a brexit you critize the messenger hoping to deflect from the matter at hand.
    very poor journalism indeed.

    • oneeyedman

      He is not being honest because he does not declare that it is in America’s best interests for the UK to remain in the EU . Anyway “in or out” it is a matter of opinion and no one invited his ( well probably David Cameron did on the QT)

    • Mr B J Mann

      But it is dishonest for a foreign politician to be candid about another country’s democratic options.

      And it is dishonest for you to claim otherwise.

  • Bodkinn

    I watched the face during the speech and despite the smiles it could not conceal the contempt for his audience. The eyes were hard and malevolent. This man does not like us. He is only so friendly to Mr Cameron because the PM is obsequious.

    • IanSankey

      The blacks have a long memory and little respect to the way we brought civilisation to those savages. Before us, they were in mud huts fighting with spears – we built them cities and created them countries, but now we’ve left, they’re going back to where they were before.

    • Ryan Van Vliet

      Oh no, a big black scary man!

      • Sue Smith

        No, a trim and elegant one – far more formidable, I would suggest.

  • perplexed

    Obama is merely a messenger for the bankers who prefer mega jurisdictions like the EU. There is no respect for Obama in Britain so his words were wasted.

  • Richard

    Being from southern Africa, I am well-acquainted with American arrogance of this type. Now Britain seems to be learning about it, too. Mind you, Britain wasn’t too bad in that department either, as I well remember with Rhodesia.

    I am also familiar with what happens when black people assume power.

    • Larry Bond

      British arrogance in Rhodesia? I can’t comment on the specific case, but from the Zimbabweans of all backgrounds I’ve met and your thoughts, the place would be better off within a British Empire run on traditional lines.

      I used to be awe-inspired by America and adored her — that’s all gone. Seems to me now that there’s always an empire; it’s just a question of whether you run it or are under it.

      • Richard

        All of Africa would be better off within European empires of different colours. Britain made many promises to Rhodesia, none of which it kept. Eventually, it simply pulled the plug and bullied them. That was all David Owen and Wilson/Callahan, et al. And then Carter and Kissinger did the real dirty. Iain Smith’s books tells all about it: “The Great Betrayal” and “Bitter Harvest”. South Africa only stood a chance because it was further along in its constitutional development, and escaped Labour’s “policies”, if they can be so-called.

        • Larry Bond

          Why do you feel we behaved so unfairly towards Rhodesia?

          • Richard

            Domestic Leftie politics. Pay lip-service to “democracy” and devil take the hindmost. No bother about what has happened since. Look at specimens like that Hain, only interested in his own power coming from his political stance, couldn’t care two hoots about what has happened in Zimbabwe, couldn’t care two hoots about what is happening in South Africa. In my experience, the Left is extremely selfish and uncaring, and the Right they much despise, much more realistic and try to make things happen for the better, within a strong framework of order. At least, that was my experience in Africa.

          • Sue Smith

            “Domestic Lefties” need their collective ears boxed.

      • Sue Smith

        And an ’empire’ might have a physical incarnation or maybe is just an economic (paper) one. I think you’re right here, though.

        At my age I tend to think America has been involved in too many wars and won too few of them. It saps confidence, depletes a nation’s financial resources and results in that nation turning inward on itself. But doubtless the US is in the entropic stages of empire and economic power. Inevitable. All empires flourish, then die. But before they do this they usually become decadent. After all, that’s what the word means – ‘decay’.

        Honestly, I’d prefer an American empire to a Chinese one – whether physical or paper.

        • Larry Bond

          I’m with you on preferring the Yanks on top (I still secretly think they’re great — where else can an Englishman go and be treated like an aristocrat just because he sounds a bit like Sherlock Holmes?).

          Talking of paper empires, a lot of people say there must be some deeper empire or controlling group of some sort, more powerful than the nations, spread out across the globe… What’s your thinking on this kind of stuff, any truth in it?

          • Sue Smith

            Good question! The answer resides in whether you regard power as possible without armed forces, cultural hegemony and a few major wins under your belt. For me, there are different kinds of power – but empirical power has always been hefty and formidable. We’re seeing it now with the Chinese, who are using the stand-off over the Spratly Islands to test whether or not they are a world power!!

            But, unquestionably, other power resides on a continuum; that’s to say, money and the media. The GFC showed us the limits of sovereign governments’ ability to control money, and media tycoons show us the limits of government to control these! Then there is the power of academe and the system of education – of Leftist ideology POSING as altruistic and having good on its side. I’m unsure which of all these is the more dangerous, but I’m leaning towards the latter because of its tendency to harness the young!! The US used popular film to disseminate its ideologies to the world – political, economic, military and domestic – and these were compelling narratives. But historic debt levels and a mendicant society has revealed the hypocrisy and over-reach of it all. Still, it was enough to make muslims and much of the third world despise the USA and we know how that all ended.

            As I’ve said before, 9/11 was the day everything – and I mean everything – changed.

    • Ryan Van Vliet

      I’m sorry, have I wondered into the 1930’s?

  • Central power

    Great discussion. All the the UK ills are due to the oppression and exploitation by the US and the EU. Once we are free we shall walk into the sunset led by Johnson, Gove , Farrage and Galloway who will get us all these nice deals from Saudis, Chinese and similar other high integrity partners.

    • MC

      Gross distortion of the discussion. You must be one of those IN folk I hear about.

      • Central power

        All IN FOLKS should be hanged, drawn and quartered or at least Spectatored.
        PS I do subscribe to The Spectator.

        • MC

          I subscribe too, but not sure what the moral of that section is.
          I don’t subscribe, however, to your Corbynesque suggestion that all those who disagree must be destroyed. Only the NuLabourite type call for executions for dissenting voices.

    • 100

      sarcasm and wit arent your best attributes are they.

    • gillardgone

      At last you recognise the fact, very well done.

    • JS

      Yes, Farage, Gove, Boris Johnson, Chris Grayling are people of high integrity, who put their country before their career unlike Cameron
      and Paddy Ashdown.

  • ChrisJHUK

    For those interested, there is a massive demonstration today (Saturday) in Hannover, ahead of Obama’s visit there. The demo is against the trade deal (TTIP), which has been negotiated in great secret, with ELECTED members of parliament not being given proper access to the terms and conditions of this “deal”. Britain is best out of it !!!

    • MC

      Wish I was there. Rather different to his first presidential visit to Germany when everyone was raving over him – now everyone normal sees him as the Emporer’s New Clothes chap he is.

      • gillardgone

        As the storm clouds darken over the whole of the EU, they send for there saviour kingey olbarmy , hoping he and he alone can sort the mess out, with one bound he falls flat on his a**s, those bloody English started it, never going to go back to lecture them on how they should think, It is never worth the bother.

        • Ryan Van Vliet

          What are you even saying? Are you having a stroke?

          • Sue Smith

            Of bad luck, perhaps, but little else.

    • 100

      Wow Germans actual;ly standing up and protesting, why arent they doing the same against Merkel and her mass Islamification programme

      • JS

        Probably for the same reason why we can’t do much about Cameron -:(
        We have to wait until 24 June and then get him out of office!
        Shameless PM!

        • Richard

          At least he’s given us a referendum. The Germans are like the Americans: they obey their fuehrer.

        • EnddyUdi

          your anger is better served advocating to leave rather than using all your energy spewing venom on the other side

      • mdj

        They seem to think it’s gone a bit beyond that:

        Germans Scramble To Buy Weapons Amid Nationwide …
        http://www.zerohedge.com/…/germans-scramble-buy-weapons-amid-nationwi…21 Dec 2015 –

      • Sue Smith

        Because they’re all actually part of the problem, not the solution. When will you get it? Germany, for the 3rd time in a century, is causing havoc in Europe. At least the Austrians have had a gut-full and have just voted in high numbers for a far Right party which is ‘anti immigrant’. Good on them!! It’s an idea whose time has come for that little country of 8 million people. They always punch above their weight.

        • 100

          thats my f88king point Sue, im being sarcastic,

          • Sue Smith

            Sorry, I wasn’t referring specifically to “you” when I said “you”. I meant the COLLECTIVE “you”. Ergo, “you all”.

  • “They simply want us to put our national interests second and the wider interest first.”

    I found it odd that you wrote this when in the surrounding sections you were whining about the US not doing what you wanted.

    On a totally unrelated matter, as a US citizen loosely watching this across the pond (I say loosely because we have enough of our own issues right now during the election), I can’t help but wonder about parallels in this Brexit thing. I think about what would happen if one of our states tried to secede right now, or what would happen if Scotland went through with leaving the UK. These are not at all identical, but there are some stretch similarities.

    • MC
      • Nah… Austin, Houston, and DFW wouldn’t allow that to happen. Bexar Co (where San Antonio is located) can be fairly conservative, but even I don’t think they’d go with it.

        Texas can be like Alaska sometimes. They’re like the crazy uncle that says a bunch of weird stuff at family reunions, but then goes back to drinking beer and never does anything. Haha

        • MC

          On the other hand, if Trump wins, expect the entire North Eastern Seaboard, esp Massachusetts, to leave by 2020 at his re-election. 😉

    • Mr B J Mann

      Yes, TOTALLY unrelated!

      The “parallel” is finding NAFTA has turned into a country and the President of Mexico is running the US!

      • Hah! According to some, that has happened! (Not me, I’m not quite ready for my tinfoil hat fitting.)

    • JS

      Are you comparing EU to your federal state? Then you must mean that USA is undemocratic. Surely, you don’t mean that.
      You elect your president whereas we don’t elect five EU presidents. We don’t elect EU commissioners who are the only people who propose eu legislation, police adoption of eu law by member states, can take member state to EU Supreme Court for not abiding eu law.
      Eu parliament is powerless and Britain’s ‘influence ‘ in the EU was demonstrated during Cameron’s negotiations when he went around to meet 27 heads of states and beg them to agree/to pretend agreeing to minor changes in our domestic benefits system!
      And now USA president, who is supposed to be our greatest ally, openly threaten us if we decide to be independent again!
      Why don’t he go to Norway or Switzerland or Canada or any other country outside the EU and which does not want to join this political union, and start bullying them to join?
      Nobel prize committee has probably regretted their decision anyway -:)
      It just can’t admitted -:)
      I think if Americans could expel him from office they would have done it already. He has wasted time and money of American taxpayer.

      • Ryan Van Vliet

        Obama was elected twice by wide margins and continues to hold a positive favourability rating.

        • Ryan Van Vliet

          How was he possibly threatening you? Take the tinfoil hat off, JS.

    • Weaver

      Maybe people have a right to self determination, and a right to secede peacefully.

      I seem to recall you fought a war for that, a long time ago.

  • Lana Green

    Totally wrong in every respect. His approval rating is higher than it’s ever been.

    • MC

      Are you referring to a different article?

      • Ryan Van Vliet

        No. Obama’s current favourability rating is one of the highest ever recorded of any president at this point in their presidency.

        Look at the Gallup polling for March.

        • MC

          average US presidential rating = 53%, current Obama rating = 48%.
          Your wonder boy is -5% below the average, so go check your stats.

          http://www.gallup.com/poll/116479/Barack-Obama-Presidential-Job-Approval.aspx

          • ThomasPaineRN

            What? Research? How dare you!

          • MC

            I know truth and facts have little to do with modern discourse. However, as I’m crazy / wear a tin hat / have a mental illness according to some contributors here, I will be silly sometimes and do research and check facts.

        • Sue Smith

          Yep, and the way to maintain that kind of popularity is to do nothing much and treat the White House as though it was Buckingham Palace with the President as King. It’s also the McDonald Hamburger effect – low in nutrition and high in calories, bland, offensive to nobody and never able to actually quell the appetite.

    • gillardgone

      In his own mind was that.

    • JS

      Where exactly is his approval rate high? Completely the opposite, everyone in America wants him just go and sooner the better.
      He has not fulfilled any of his big promises! Yes, he is the only black president, that is his achievement, but trust me there will be no other black in the white hall again. Not until people forget and forgive this black president his shallow presidency.

      • EnddyUdi

        Obama care for starters… but you knew that already

        • Trailblazer10

          Obamacare is a disaster, though probably less fatal than his other disasters.

          • Ryan Van Vliet

            Obamacare is not by any measure a disaster. I don’t know where you’re getting your facts from.

          • ThomasPaineRN

            Hmm…perhaps from the many insurance companies who are pulling out of most of the state “exchanges” because the costs are unsustainable, thus initiating the predicted “death spiral” where costs become so great the system collapses? And since you obviously don’t do research, here is link: http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/19/investing/unitedhealthcare-obamacare-exchanges-aca/

          • Leon Wolfeson

            They can’t make as much money as before? Right.

            Non-profits, on the other hand…

          • ThomasPaineRN

            Actually, not about a smaller profit margin, it is about losses in the billions…with a b…of dollars.
            OTOH, I completely support not-for-profits and will choose a well managed not-for-profit or member owned organization any day, including credit unions and fraternal organizations.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Their accounting is on par with Hollywood, I’d point out.

            And yes, well, so do I as a mutualist. Shame we don’t really even /have/ credit unions over here :/

      • Leon Wolfeson

        “everyone”

        LMAO. As you show how you are with that preaching…trust your anti-democratic..

    • Jim942

      What a dreamer you are. Most of us dream of him being gone. Just a few more months.

  • Chris Bartelt

    Nobel peace prize.
    For F’s sakes.

    • gillardgone

      Nobel pi**s take more like.

    • Richard

      If you are black or half-black, you have access to many things that are not available to others.

      • Ryan Van Vliet

        Like centuries of suffering?

        • Sue Smith

          There is more than a grain of truth to this comment.

        • Richard

          I agree that before the advent of Western medicine, there was huge suffering in Africa from disease, when there was no indigenous medicine to speak of. Internecine fighting was controlled largely under colonial rule, such as the suppression of the Zulu and their Mfecane, for instance, but sadly it has re-emerged somewhat in places like Rwanda, but by-and-large it has declined. Other than the genocide against the San Bushmen by the invaders from the Great Lakes region, and of course the eradication of indigenous North Africans by Arabs, I can’t think of too much in the way of genocide, at least, not in recorded history.

          Other incidents of suffering have of course occurred in places like Armenia, Cambodia, China, etc., but none of the people from those places have particularly benefited from the sort of elevation that has been accorded to blacks.

      • Leon Wolfeson

        Ah, that accusation against Norway’s…

  • Jacobi

    Just been watching Obama, ( and Merkel and Erdogan ), on the Telly tonight. Obama really has gone too far this time.

    We in UK are to stay in the EU and ensure, amongst other things that that the Prussian/Ottoman future is not disturbed and that 70 million Turks are to be given visas and allowed in and eventually Turkey itself of course, so that the USA arms industry will continue to trade uninterruptedly with the Saudi/Turkish alliance.

    Brexit!

  • Dan

    Obama’s blind supporters in the US want to blame everyone but him. Obama is fully to blame for the fact that both Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump are serious contenders to follow him.

    • Leon Wolfeson

      Except the left and right are rising in support across the Western world.

    • Sue Smith

      Yes, Obama is the wind beneath Trump’s wings.

  • Whatsisname

    “There is a word for ignoring and overruling the legislative branches of the American government and that word is ‘undemocratic’.”

    Not quite. In the autochtonous polity that has grown like a tree in the ground of the British sceptred isle, “undemocratic” will do. For Americans, the word is “unconstitutional”.

    The penetrating insight of the American “founders” was that Britain is the only place on the planet where your flexible—almosr “virtual”—constitutional arrangement works. The rest of us must use written constitutions. That’s how we achieve the metamorphosis from Natural Law to applicable “positive law”—to government that has the registered consent of the governed.

    • Richard

      That mentality – that everything must be construed according to a set of particular laws that are claimed to be universally applicable – is why America is a nation of simpletons. They have no understanding of other cultures and places where their cherished “universal” constitutional laws simply have no traction. The rest of the West has been duped into following their mindset, and we are now all doomed. Their system is like a child’s view of the world: right and wrong, good and bad, end of story.

      • Whatsisname

        Our Declarations says that people will base governments on “such principles as TO THEM shall seem most likely to effect THEIR safety and happines.” It said we had a decent respect for the opinions of mankind, but that “WE hold THESE truths to be self evident, …”—others may hold other tenets.

        The statement of our agreement with each other to grant enumerated powers is, “We do ordain and establish THIS Constitution for the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA”—not necessarity for anybody else.

        My point was that the applicaion of such universals as “undemocratic” seems to me to work in Britain, but for us Americans, what is enforcable is what is constituional—what has been explicitly agreed to.

        • Richard

          Have you ever seen the propaganda film made after the War, with David Niven? “A Matter of Life and Death”? That pretty much sums up the reality of the American take on the world. When I lived in southern Africa, we were overwhelmed with Americans telling us what we needed to do, how to run things, what was wrong, etc. No cognisance whatsoever was given to local circumstances, and they cared nothing for the consequences of what they were unleashing. One of the most notable things they unleashed was Mugabe, about whom they have done absolutely NOTHING. Their tick-boxes have been checked, they have imposed their will, and now they can move on.

          • Larry Bond

            What would you reply to those, and there are many, who say America is a declining power most of whose people grow steadily poorer?

          • Sue Smith

            That it is an irrefutable fact of life. And it gives me no pleasure to see a nation which is always there first when calamity strikes another nation. You rarely see that kind of generosity from Europeans!!

          • Richard

            That is probably true. America’s demographic is more closely mirroring that of the Third World, and so it makes sense that it’s wealth, etc., will reflect that.

          • Larry Bond

            When Michael Palin was in Africa for his travel series he talked about a highly developed civilisation that once existed there, and I watched a video by an American historian making a similar claim. What are your thoughts on this?

          • Fraser Bailey

            More or less the same thing happened in Russia in the 1990s. The American dominated IMF etc imposed ‘shock therapy’ on a people and an economy that was in no prepared for it. The result is Putin and the continued poverty, and indeed early death, of millions of Russians.

      • ThomasPaineRN

        Hear hear. Because a declaration of every human beings natural, inherent right to freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of self defense, etc., etc., is by no means universal. Most of the world NEEDS to keep individuals under the control of a state apparatus. Rights are only rights when legislated (i.e. become “laws”), correct? /s

      • Sue Smith

        Well, Geography was never Americans’ strong suit. Colouring In 101 for most of them. I like them actually, despite the fact that they’re parochial and overweight.

    • Leon Wolfeson

      “Britain is the only place on the planet where your flexible—almosr “virtual”—constitutional arrangement works”

      One, no, we’re not unique. Two, it’s not working that well.

    • rapscallion

      Britain also has a written constitution. It’s just not in one document like the US Constitution; which is itself largely based on the 1689 Bill of Rights.

      • Whatsisname

        Our Bill of Rights of 1789 does indeed owe much to yours of 1689. But in our Constitution’s main body– Articles I – VI–the explicitness of the enumeration, limitation, strucuring, and assignment of powers to the separated branches of the federal government and to it and to the states–was innovative. In the 1760s, the notion of a shared or layered sovereignty was considered absurd; by introducing the enumerated-powers constitution, it became in 1788 the basic structure of the longest-lived republic on the planet.

        Countries that try to use more generalized and abstract ideas of “natural” law or universally acknowledged law (in the case that prompted my comment, we must all know what “undemocratic” means) seem all to fall into chaos or dictatorships–except Britain.

        The terms of consent of the governed have grown organically like a tree in the soil of Britain for a thousand years–“just not in one document.” The rest of us have had to register that consent explicitly–“We the People do ordain and establish THIS Constitution….” and erect the structure like an engineered tower.

  • Martin Jennerson

    Obama is a token president

    • Sue Smith

      No, he actually is quite autocratic – remember he’s over-ridden the Congress to get his own way on more than one occasion.

  • IanSankey

    Oh quite. In my experience, those with african blood often do forget their place in the world. He’s certainly no Anglo-saxon, that’s for sure. I’m glad the good mayor put the savage in his place over his ancestry poverty when compared to us of better blood.

    • rachewl

      Hes a very racial president and something I think he deliberately hid from the american people and explains many of his policies and behaviors.

    • Ryan Van Vliet

      You realise your country is a forgotten has been, don’t you? One that has committed acts more savage, blood thirsty, and destructive than almost any in human history?

      • rapscallion

        Really? Shouldn’t you look to your dear neighbour – Germany. Britain might have conceived of concentration camps in the Boer War, but it took the Germans to really make it work didn’t it Ryan. Hey, there was even an SS Nederlands division to help them!

        This “forgotten has been” country is a permanent member of the UN Security Council. A member of G8 and G20. A founder member of NATO. Head of the Commonwealth comprising over 50 countries and originators of the worlds most widely spoken language. Some “has been”

        If I were you, I’d STFU

    • Leon Wolfeson

      “those with african blood often do forget their place in the world”

      Ah, one of those.

  • rachewl

    Well criticize the president not the country; Barak Obama has defied the people of the united states and acts on his own accord. Its hard to tell if his intentions are good or not; but whatever the case he charts his own course and doesn’t care to listen to american people or follow the law.

    When he states he speaks for americans, he only speaks for himself and the narrow selection of the population who supports him. He leads not with consensus but with division.

    Don’t be offended by the president; its in his nature to offend others and he lacks grace. United States has gone through a nadir under his leadership but it can emerge weaker or stronger and I think it will emerge stronger.

    • Ryan Van Vliet

      Obama was elected twice by the American people, I’m not sure how he ‘defied’ them, he won popular majorities by wide margins and he hardly represents a ‘narrow’ segment of the population.

      America has become much stronger under Obama, we see this in the declining deficit and unemployment rate and the increase in GDP.

      But don’t let facts get in the way of your fear of the big scary black man!

      • Trailblazer10

        Doubled the debt, over 90 million not in the workforce, over 50 million on foodstamps.
        You are willdly misinformed.

    • Paul S HK

      The weirdness continues.
      Despite the viciousness of Republican attacks on him, the Birther nonsense, the “death panels” and Obamacare disaster nonsense, Mr Obama has stayed gracious.
      The same cannot Be said of mr Trump, or mr Cruz.
      It’s not the people he’s ignoring, it’s there Republican determination to obstruct everything he does, despite his being elected twice.
      Bush43 was elected twice, so that doesn’t necessarily mean much.
      But this strong ad hominem tendency, which has now deliver the republican party almost into the hands of Trump, is the consequence not of mr Obama’s style, but the unwillingness of the mad side of the GOP to accept a President with the wrong ‘background’.

      • Trailblazer10

        Congratulations on the most ludicrous post ever.

        • Paul S HK

          Easily said.
          Would you care to be more specific?
          The GOP is not obstructing?
          Mr Y+T and Mr C are gracious, or at least more so than Mr Obama?
          Birther nonsense is not nonsense?
          Obamacare is unsuccessful?
          Perhaps a little analytical self-reflection would better answer the question of who is more ludicrous, you or I.

          • Trailblazer10

            If you really wanted to know, you would check for yourself.I don’t feel disposed to take time to find and provide links for you.

            For example,you could start by finding out the increase in monthly costs and deductibles inflicted by Obamacare. You might also check what effect it has had on employment.The evidence shows what a complete disaster it has been.

            You might also check Rino Ryan’s passing a bill providing Obama with yet another enormous sum to let Obama what he wants.You might also check how infrequently Obama has used his veto.

  • Jim942

    The British people need to vote for what the British people want. It is no business of the USA.

    • Ryan Van Vliet

      You didn’t seem to have any problems telling Scotland how to vote.

      • Terry Mushroom

        The US Constitution specifically forbids the President & Congree to do what Obama has asked us to do.

        The US revolution was about “no taxation without representation”. In effect, we’d like same. The EU President and Commissioners are not directly chosen by the electorate.

        • Leon Wolfeson

          No, they’re chosen between governments and then elected by the EU Parliament.

          Do you also campaign for elected judges?

          • Terry Mushroom

            The EU President and Comissioners aren’t judges.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            And?

          • Terry Mushroom

            The EU President and Commissioners combine executive and legislative power. They cannot be removed by the electorate. They are not accountable to the electorate. They are not elected by the electorate. In most policy fields, the Commission is the only body that can propose legislation.

            Your point about electing judges – the judiciary – is irrelevant.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Which EU President? Each body has one.

            Neither does Britain separate executive and legislative functions. At least in the EU, there’s negotiations and EU Parliament voting on the Commissioners, whereas the UK Cabinet is a body appointed by the Prime Minister.

            I was talking about the Commission, who are elected by the EU Parliament.
            Your dismissal of relevant points… as you show your hypocrisy…

            (The commission, of course, MUST submit legislation to the Parliament in many cases, such as a quarter of member states proposing a law…)

          • Terry Mushroom

            I’m talking about Jean-Claude Juncker.

            Your unjustified rapid descent into a personal attack on my integrity is unnecessary. It makes me doubt your good will in exploring ideas and correcting any misunderstandings. I’ll leave you to pick fights with others.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Ah, so you clarify there.

            And then you say that pointing out facts about the British government is magically an attack on you? What the….

      • Fraser Bailey

        Actually most English people probably want the Scots to be independent. They just don’t want to pay for it.

      • ThomasPaineRN

        And Scotland is currently part of Great Britain, meaning GB was not meddling in the affairs of a separate, sovereign state. Or, perhaps if Texas decided to secede, you would consider it wrong for the US federal government to attempt to dissuade them?

  • Paul S HK

    This article is downright weird.
    It accuses President Obama of all the things that the Republican leadership is guilty of, and makes a very moderate man sound as if he were a typical Fox News addict.

    • Roger Hudson

      Do you mean ‘mediocre’ rather than ‘moderate’?

      • Paul S HK

        Mediocre – to be kind – was GWB43.
        Mad is Cruz
        Mobster-like is Mr Trump.
        Moderate in personality is Mr Obama.

        • Graham Bell

          By Chicago standards, I suppose he might be.

        • Sue Smith

          Isn’t he just a tad dull? Same with Giselle Obama, his wife (the one with the long, long arms!).

    • ThomasPaineRN

      And are you speaking as a British citizen or continuing in the tradition as an arrogant, American Obamaphile, telling the British how they SHOULD feel?

      • Paul S HK

        I’m speaking as a British citizen, born and educated here, who was elected to number of Conservative positions, has worked for VCs of the Party, and has as friends individuals who were in or headed up different PMs’ think tanks.
        I am sure you’re better qualified than me to have an opinion, but I’m not unqualified myself.

        • CrazyHungarian

          Isn’t the Internet wonderful? Anybody can be anything they imagine. Why, I myself can claim to be tall, handsome and incredibly rich. I only wish it were true. What are you like in real life?

          • Paul S HK

            Not tall, not handsome, not rich.
            But certainly Cambridge educated. Worked closely with Carl Bildt in European student politics. I was Treasurer to his Chairman. Didn’t enjoy dinners with Ted Heath. Did enjoy Thatcher. Also Willie Whitelaw. Bit of a wet, as you’d guess.
            And you, crazy?

        • ThomasPaineRN

          Thank you for clarifying. I won’t presume to tell you how you and your fellow citizens should feel. I will say that it surprises me, especially with your background. Perhaps it is viewed completely differently across the pond, but from my perspective, for the last three decades, the Rs are the ones who have viewed the British as partners while the Ds, particularly the current one, have viewed the British as lesser vassals. The current occupant has seemed to express downright disdain. From removing the Churchill bust from the Whitehouse, to dissing on Blair publicly, to thumbing his nose at Thatcher’s funeral, it seems to me Boris is not far off. Obama sees the UK as an evil, colonial power who deserves to have its privilege checked, not a best friend. Again, that is how it appears to me, here. Is it different from your perspective?
          Personally, I think both parties are rubbish and both are simply about accumulating control, although from two different directions. Rs want to control/dictate our morals, Ds want to control/dictate our finances. Both parties are threats to individual liberty, not defenders and I would like to see the party system abolished entirely. Then people have to be elected on the merits of their positions, not simply because the R or D machine has signed off on therm.

          • Paul S HK

            I appreciate the chance to, ave a personal – in the good sense of the word, meaning mutual respect for individual opinions – debate here… It seems a little lacking generally in this commentary. I do like your observation that Rs want to control morals and Ds finances
            First, seen from our side of the pond, the GOP is wildly right. The democrats are like our conservatives in policy, tho thatcher loved Reagan.
            Blair is loathed on all sides, totally despised. Can hardly go out to dinner, tho we know his support for the US when you valued it was appreciated, the problem is Bush43 is seen as a lying shyster, and Blair as his poodle.
            I’m part of what was called the ‘wet’ tendency in Toryism. Conservatives with a social conscience and a dislike of the idea that money values drive everything.
            Osborne is more UD then UK… Believes man is an economic being. Not really a UK view.
            As Obama is more in the paternalistic Tory tradition, both labour and the left-inclined conservatives like him. At least far more than any GOP candidate.
            True, he’s not a best friend, but then even in the 1940s, when Roosevelt had supported Britain against the preferences of congress, the idea of Britain as a nasty colonial power was part of what informed US policy. And under Eisenhower, the debt incurred under lend lease was made into an instrument to,destroy our imperial position. Obama is not anti UK, but the history of the USA is not purely positive towards us.
            It’s true the Rs have found soul-mates in many right of centre conservative politicians, but Britain does not believe in a society dominated by money values.
            That’s another of our big battles right now.
            On Europe, we’re against the big guys being able to dominate the small, so,against the EU’s scale and intrusiveness.
            But we’ve always been an island nation depending on openness and trade for our success…
            Hence the serious tensions operating here.
            To me, mr. Obama is decent guy, in the Tory paternalist tradition, who tho a democrat is in UK terms a conservative, who]lie most of the GOP has gone mad.
            Mad on religion, mad against government’s capacity to add value (here, we love our health service), mad against Obama as a black man, disguised as policy objections… Tho to us Obama is not black at all, but a typical mixed background citizen, of the type that is normal in London now ( though not really elsewhere in the uk), and mad in favour of guns and money as the basis of social relations…
            So naturally, we are sympathetic to Obama… Not Tim Montgomerie, obviously, and tho we may think our decision on Europe is our business, to people like me (was Teasurwr of the European students union when it was chaired by Carl Bildt, later PM of Sweden) the views of Obama are sincere and those of a friend, not an enemy. Maybe wrong, but friends are allowed to,give advice.

          • ThomasPaineRN

            I agree that discourse is an endangered creature. It seems the powers-that-be recognize stirring emotional reaction takes less effort than convincing others based on reason and logic, and so emotional emesis has become the coin of the political realm.
            Thank you for sharing your views on the historical relationship between the UK and the US. I have honestly not heard some of the things you have written here. Of course, I was a young adult during the Reagan years, so my earliest political memories are of the connection he and Thatcher seemed to have, so that, undoubtedly, colors my view. Your take on our shared history is very interesting and inspires me to look at it further.
            I am rather fiercely independent. In truth, I am strongly libertarian, with a lower case “l,” meaning not a member of the party. I am also not a fan of government in general. My view is that it is, at best, a necessary evil as humanity is not yet evolved enough to allow an anarchist, voluntary society to work. If we were more evolved we would not need a State to reign in thieves, rapists, drunk drivers, etc., i.e. to protect individuals’ liberties from what Bastiat called “plunderers,” and could, instead, live however we wished, recognizing the moral wrongness of violating the liberty of others. This is, obviously, not the world we currently inhabit, thus the necessary evil of the State.
            To me, the sole means in which government may “add value,” as you put it, is in protecting individual liberty. However, every action of government, by its very nature, is an intrusion upon the individual, i.e. limits the actions and free association of individuals. Therefore, legislation is only acceptable as long as it is solely what is necessary to protect individual liberties. Any legislation which is more than the minimum required for protecting individual liberties is simply a means of controlling people or their behaviors for the benefit of the living organism we call government. This organism, like any, is driven by the evolutionary imperatives to propagate and survive at any price. It, then, is hardwired to take from others and to protect its existence.
            A very long winded way of saying my view of Obama, indeed of virtually all party politicians, is an unflattering one. The more a politician leans towards the view that the state is the answer to any moral, social, or economic problem, the more I dislike them. Mr Obama is definitely a believer in the the State, and as such, I dislike his politics immensely. He may not be as blatant as Bernie Sanders (who publicly advocated for the dissolution of private charities and the assumption of those functions by the state,). The current candidates under the R banner, however, are barely more tolerable.
            You are, obviously, an intelligent fellow. If you have the time or inclination, Frederick Bastiat’s The Law is a brilliant read on this subject. Thought I was a freak of nature until I stumbled across this gem. It is a fairly short read, and a free download is available here: https://liberty.me/library/the-law/

          • Paul S HK

            Europe’s experience was different from that of the USA.
            While the USA developed through exploring and exploiting its open (though native-American occupied) spaces, Europe had to find a way to balance the power of the privileged and the despotic.
            In our experience in the UK and Europe, the democratic state, as governed through its parliaments, can achieve that.
            The almost universal view is that markets do not provide optimal outcomes, but result in the pursuit of privilege, rent seeking and monopoly power.
            The state is seen as the provider of those public goods that the market is poor at providing, because its focus tends to be short term, and because some projects have just too long a life cycle for the risks to be accepted.
            Let me name the obvious areas where collective endeavour has been effective:
            • Defence – the state is the collective defence against intrusion by an enemy, and can afford the technologies require to protect the territory; and in Europe, the EU, which was originally the ECSC was partly founded to minimise the risk of war between France and Germany (3x previously from 1870 to 1945) and has been very successful at that;
            • Education – compulsory education helps both citizen and employer and lifts the normal person to levels that, left to himself, he could not achieve;
            • Health – public health standards (vaccination, restaurant hygiene, &c) and public provision of general health care without the need to provide 20-30% equity returns to private capital, have been highly effective in Europe – You may not be aware that the advanced European economies spend far less than the USA on health per capita, and have better outcomes (mortality, morbidity, &c) than the USA, with the spare cash available for other things.
            All this helps explain why European and the average Briton are not libertarians: their experience of the state has been positive, even though they hate its bureaucracy.

          • Paul S HK

            I forgot to add that in the economic domain, the state protects the public against economic plunderers: there are law against fraud and against false prospectuses and advertising. there are laws against business collusion and monopoly power. There are laws to assist the operation of free markets by preventing rent seeking, theft of intellectual property and other practices that ossify the operation of free markets.
            And of course law and order, a vital domain of the state, if its citizens are to escape abuse by private interests or vested or special interests.

          • ThomasPaineRN

            Thank you for the response. I am aware of the historical differences, and recognize environment has a role to play when it comes to most things, especially societal norms. Growing up in the US has had an enormous impact, as has travelling overseas and seeing other versions of governments and societies.

            I am no fan of corporatism, and abhor crony capitalism, which are both very different from free market capitalism. Both of the former require the central control of a government in order to survive. Free market capitalism is a voluntary exchange between individuals, leaving absolute freedom to buy, sell, or decline to do either. It is a very, very different beast from crony capitalism.

            I agree defense is responsibility of the state. Only, again, because humanity, as a whole, is still too primitive to refrain from the urge to take what others have. As long as nations will fight wars of aggression, a national defense is required.

            Regarding education, did state mandated education cause Sir Isaac Newton to become more than he could on his own? Da Vinci? Galileo? Copernicus? Plato? Archimedes? I know you were likely talking about the general population, however the greatest minds in history arose without state compulsory primary education. If state compulsory education is good, why should we not mandate university through a terminal degree? If the benefits of primary and secondary schooling are of such great value to society, surely mandating a PhD will be even better for society. My point is, Hunger for knowledge cannot be mandated. It must be acquired. And once acquired, it benefits for a lifetime, as does the recognition of the value of an education. There are better ways to promote the education of the general population than for the state to say, “Because I said so.”

            The healthcare costs and outcomes are necessarily logical derivatives of whether the state is involved. You appear well educated, so you are, no doubt, aware that correlation does not equal causation. People in Europe may be healthier, in general, than Americans, but this likely has far more to do with lifestyle than state involvement. Fast food, big gulps, processed and refined, obscene amounts of sugar and fats, all exist in America at levels seen in no other country. Much of America has become weak and addicted with instant gratification. Whether it is a burger and fries from the corner fast food shop, or a pill to ease our anxiety, convenience reigns, and the benefit of working or abstaining is no longer recognized.

            Yes, state involvement has hastened public sanitation, public vaccination programs, as well as other items. The world was given a highway system under Genghis Khan and Rome, coast to coast railway system while decimating native Americans, given wonders of the world under the Egyptian pharaohs, a, reportedly, 100% national literacy rate under Castro and Kim, etc., etc.

            My point is that, certainly, some astonishing things can be accomplished by large groups of people. This is especially true when a single visionary or centralized power is running things. But at what cost? Suppose, even, this leader was installed under a democratic system, and that the project was decided democratically. Suppose 51% support that central power without question. That still leaves 49% who are being compelled, against their will, to contribute. Does this tyranny of the majority seem good?

            What happens when this democratic system is then utilized to remove liberty, or worse, human rights from the remainder? Does the size of the group of detractors have any bearing on the morality of compelling someone to act against their conscience (assuming the detractors are not attempting to violate the liberties of another in any way)? Is “the greater good” simply a matter of numbers? That is, if an action is going to benefit 51%, does that make it a “greater good” which then the other 49% should be compelled to surrender to?

            I know it would be easy to write me off as some hipster promoting a philosophy I have not really considered, but I assure you, this is not the case. I am a former army medic, police officer, and leader in a church. Seeing how the tyranny of the majority plays out, however, caused me to begin asking questions. Questions I found were not answered easily. At least, not easily if consideration and honesty were important. Thought I was losing my mind until stumbling upon other libertarian people. Bastiat’s The Law was what finally convinced me I was not completely craze. Seeing how he wrote my exact thoughts a couple centuries ago made all the difference.

            Government, by its basic nature, takes, it infringes upon individual liberties. By existing it places limitations upon individuals’ liberties. It cannot GIVE liberty, it can only, at best, refrain from taking it. I agree that, for now, government is a necessary evil, but only because humanity has not yet left the jungle behind. In accepting the necessary evil of government, I also recognize that government consists of human beings. Just as flawed, just as primitive as the rest of the population. In fact, an argument can be made that positions of power tend to attract seekers of power, and that these are, by nature, among the least trustworthy, requiring the most restrictions, because their love of power means they will always be attempting to accumulate more. Some may have altruistic notions, but power is, almost always, sought, not bestowed. Therefore politicians and higher ranking bureaucrats or those in positions of power require more constraint, closer monitoring than any other profession. You can surmise the old power/corrupts adage, I am sure. So, again, monuments may be built by totalitarian civilizations, but at what cost to individual liberty? The ultimate question we must each answer for ourselves is, “How much liberty am I willing to give up to be a part of the surrounding society?” Perhaps some are content to live under a total surveillance state to feel more secure from “terrorism.” I am not. I am willing to take my responsibility to protect and defend myself, my family, and my friends personally. Or, as Thomas Jefferson put it in one of his many great statements about liberty, “I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it.”

            I am enjoying our conversation, but understand if you do not desire to continue. If you do, please feel free to pm me and I can send some contact info. Email would be a preferable route for continuing our discussion if you desire to do so. Thank you, again, for the civil and intelligent discourse.

          • ThomasPaineRN

            I posted a rather detailed and long winded reply, but seems Disqus does not like my contributions. It is a rather frequent occurrence for something I post to simply never make it to the conversation. Don’t know if this is a common event for all or not, but approximately one out of four don’t make it to the thread. Quite frustrating to put a good deal of work into something, only to have it disappear into the ether.
            I will attempt to re create some of it. I am enjoying our conversation. If you are interested in continuing, perhaps you could IM me and it could be over email. Disqus and I don’t seem to be getting along.

          • Zaba

            a rather frequent occurrence for something I post to simply never make it to the conversation.

            I’ve noticed this as well.
            Sometimes the comments show up later.

          • ThomasPaineRN

            Thanks. Good to know I am not alone in this experience. Was about to break out the tinfoil hat and start a rant about black helicopters and how vaccines are causing herpes!

    • Ape Drape

      Moderate? Obama is moderate? You lost me there… Are we talking about the same Obama? U.S.A. President Barack Hussein Obama? That Obama? That one is moderate?

      I thought sniffing glue was illegal or at least frowned upon in The UK. Apparently, I have a lot to learn.

      • Paul S HK

        That’s OK.
        I guess if you’re from ? Texas? You would have a lot to learn.
        You see, ape, outside of the less thoughtful,parts of the USA, let’s say in NY or California or Minnesota, or anywhere in Europe, Your current Pesident is seen as normal. Running an economy built on corporate interest, but normal, intellectually capable and balanced.
        The rest of us look at Trump and Cruz and … Well actually Reagan is one of us, by comparison – and we see eccentricity in the extreme.
        So, yes, in the real world, tho not on Fox, he’s a moderate.

  • Roger Hudson

    O’Bummer has a touch of the King Cnut about him. Maybe I misspelled that.

  • Roger Hudson

    Failng a PG Tips advert audition could have a profound effect on a person, I imagine.

  • The PrangWizard of England

    I am so angry that I find it difficult to express it. I can’t decide if I hate Obama more than I despise Cameron. I suppose Cameron should be the one to get it in the neck, after all Obama is only acting for the interests of the US and himself and the US is a foreign country after all. His visit and intent and his swaggering behaviour has convinced me that the US is an enemy, not a friend. Over the last century the US has done all it could to weaken and dominate us, while at the same time it has pretended to be our friend.

    Cameron, on the other hand has to be considered a traitor, his blatant and duplicitous attempts to save his own skin is beyond the pale, there is nothing he will not do. I see he has been on the golf course with Obama, I didn’t know he played, is he perhaps just carrying Obama’s bags? That would sum him up really. In the next few weeks we will discover just what craven concessions Cameron has made to Obama, troops in Libya maybe?

    There’s nothing we as individuals can do about that now I suppose but we can and must vote to Leave the EU. It is the only way we can regain our dignity and self-respect. If we don’t we are indeed finished as a nation and a people. I urge everyone Vote to Leave.

    • Graham Bell

      Well I understand your feelings. The whole episode was disgusting to the nth degree. But if it brings home to people just how low political discourse in this country has sunk, then it was all to the good.

    • Leon Wolfeson

      So unless the trade’s reduced and the barriers raised… unlike other countries…why is Britain such an amazing fragile snowflake? As you show your ignorance of British law by crying “traitor”…

      • looked a paid EU troll!
        Britain wants the right to hire and fire those who rule over them and pass their laws. But evil people like you advocate for a Bu-total system – a bureaucratic totalitarian system like the EU that rules irrespective of the will of the people.

        • Leon Wolfeson

          You’re paid by Farrage? I see.

          As you make magical claims your minority are “Britain”, and that you want to end democracy, blaming evil democrats for me for your odd fantasies….

  • Fraser Bailey

    When it comes to invading other countries for all sorts of insane, immoral and illegal reasons, we are expected to be at the front of the queue with the US. Yet when it comes to peaceful, mutually beneficial trading we are told to go to the back of the queue. It lays bare once again the sheer evil and duplicity of almost all those who presume to rule over us.

    • Britain is officially an American colony which is being leased to the EU empire.

      • Sue Smith

        Afraid so.

  • Edmund burke326

    The Americans know what they want – a colony and Britain fits the bill. Britain has been an American colony since WWII along with Germany and France. Getting angry over a the US president’s visit to our colony is wasted energy; the EU and Nato membership along with endless international US-dominated organisations – the UN, IMF, WTO, World Bank, G7. US-dominated military campaigns e.g. Africoms (Britian has around 7 US military bases) where British troops, once again, secure African resources with our American allies (under the pretext of fighting terrorism), these things and more earned us a visit from Obama, paying an instructional visit to their American colony, Britain.

    At the end of the day we’re being subjected to a continous campaign (militarily, economic, media, political) of forcibly aligning the interests of the ordinary Briton with that of the EU and ultimately the US. Obama and I have no common interests, he’s not my head of state.

  • Graham Bell

    The Obama-Cameron love-in has to rank as one of the lowest moments in the modern political life of this country. It was an utter humiliation staged managed by a Conservative Prime Minister who is conservative in name only and for whom wild horses would not drag me to the ballot box.

    At least at The Spectator one can still say these things, not like at The Telegraph where direct reader comment has been abolished. And this in the run up to the Brexit referendum. This, to me, was a betrayal too far and I have since cancalled my subscription. I would urge others to do the same.

    British conservatism has to wake up and take back the Conservative Party.

    • Leon Wolfeson

      Psst, that’d be a sharp shift away from neoliberalism and back to pro-EU politics.

      You do know what Thatcher said about the EU right?

      • yes right before the EU showed it’s true colours. Many people who voted in 40 years ago realised they’ve been had and are voting out, Mrs Thatcher would have done the same given the chance today.

        • Leon Wolfeson

          Ah, that excuse. Thatcher never changed her views, as you say that evil trade…

    • David Beard

      t least at The Spectator one can still say these things, not like at The Telegraph where direct reader comment has been abolished.

      They’re all doing it now. The Guardian have allowed Boatha the NUS leader to put her case but comments were barred. Even the Daily Mail with its many anti Muslim and ‘black rabble’ type clickbait stories fixes the green arrows at the end of the day so it gives the impression of ‘tolerance’ winning over all else. I say this by the way not as a Conservative or Lefty but as someone who believes in free speech and peoples true opinions meaning just that.

  • TomTomA

    You (the British, and the Europeans) lauded him as some sort of wonderful figure 8 years ago, while many people in the US saw him for exactly what he was and is. Seems sort of fitting that he’s now peeing in your porridge.

    He thinks that “the people” are completely incompetent to manage their own affairs, and that the only hope is ever-increasing centralization of power so that people who know best (i.e., him) can rule you more easily.

    • aye, I realised the man was a lying and weak individual. His arrogance and contempt knows no bounds. I will throw a mini party when he leaves office. When the righteous pass-on the nation mourns but when the wicked are no more, the nation rejoices. November cannot come soon enough.
      And I’m a Nigerian first generation immigrant to the UK.

  • jimmy

    What Obama said was pure unadulterated prime bull s**t. Complete nonsense from to to bottom. The US has various trade agreements with dozens of nations virtually all of which have a smaller
    economy than Britain. Obama himself has made much in recent times of his willingness and determination to start trading with Iran! The idea he would try to cut off Britain is utterly absurd and believed only by the gullible – tellingly every Guardian journalist and BBC autocue reader fell straight for it.

    This all hits at something visceral. Obama came to Britain and insulted us all by threatening us, telling us he would try to damage us if we didn’t do what he told us to. Cameron just stood there, like a limp-wristed cuckold enjoying seeing England humiliated.

    I only hope there is enough bulldog spirit left in the British people to resent being threatened by a foreign president – especially after we granted him the enormous honour of meeting the Queen. I hope it will ultimately damage the campaign of those who wish to remain in and subjugated to the EU.

    • Leon Wolfeson

      It has some agreements. But none of those countries have ripped themselves out of the existing structure. You’re the one trying to cut Britain off, here.

      Your feeling that being told other views is an insult… why are you so afraid of hearing other views? As you want people to lash out for hearing things you don’t like… as you want to subjugate the British yourself, right.

      • jimmy

        Everything you wrote is utterly without merit and disconnected from both reality and what I wrote. And you know it. I’ll happily point out a few errors.

        The matter of having left a previous grouping is irrelevant. As it happens you couldn’t be more wrong – some of those the US has FTAs with were colonial states.

        I certainly don’t feel that Obama or any other foreign ignoramus expressing his view is an insult. And I never said it was. However what he in fact did, to come here, to be granted to honour of meeting the Queen and then to threaten us with economic exclusion if we disobey his orders certainly was a grave insult. Only a cuckolded man like Cameron would not grasp that.

        As it happens Obama’s threat was completely empty. The US has trade agreements with Australia, Morocco and Jordan. They are pursuing FTAs with Thailand and New Zealand. They are working desperately to open relations with Iran and Cuba. The US would not wish to cut itself off from trade with the UK. The US has shown herself to be utterly mercenary when it comes to trade and would simply walk all over the other nations (and indeed the squeals of people like you) to get a trade deal with the UK once free of the EU. The only reason a trade deal isn’t already in place is the EU itself.

        It is also worth pointing out that staying the EU actually makes it harder to trade with the US and one way or the other one doesn’t need a FTA to trade. If we left the situation regarding trade with the US wouldn’t necessarily change one iota (at least in the short term) from how it is today unless you’re going to claim the US will deploy economic sanctions against us? Everything Obama had to say on the issue was complete rubbish and only a gullible man would think otherwise.

        As for the notion I wish to subjugate Britain by encouraging people to vote for democratic self-governance… one hardly knows where to begin with such nonsense. Do you understand that Orwell’s 1984 was a warning against people like you and not a guidebook to follow?

        You might find the Guardian a more suitable safe space where people won’t speak the truth too often and you won’t find yourself so triggered. Just a helpful suggestion.

        • Leon Wolfeson

          Ah, I magically “know” that your rejection of all other views and refusal to face facts….

          As you ignore successor states, check.
          As you show your problem with Obama stating a view, check.
          As you ignore what Obama said, check, as you ignore the fact you’re the one who wants to slash trade, not him. As you complain the EU – the left of the EU – has held up TTIP (and for good reason!).

          As you try and claim wild tjings… as you spew nonsense against Orwell, who was writing about your right, to whit, the Party; ” “rejects and vilifies every principle for which the Socialist movement originally stood, and it does so in the name of Socialism”.

          Right.

          You might find the Tory Party a more suitable safe space, where you’ll find like minded not very democratically minded, censorship-loving rich nobs. As you talk about the physical threat you pose… hands off the trigger of the gun!

          • jimmy

            Again, nothing you wrote corresponds to either anything I wrote or the facts. Indeed, it was all counter to both. You added no new information and my explanations of your errors still stand.

            I do hope you’re not too triggered by having to deal with people like myself who can write things that are both true and that you disagree with. If you need a safe space, try the BBC or Guardian.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            So you haven’t read my posts, as you say it’s an error to reply to you, as you talk about the physical violence you offer, your “truth” – as you seem to think websites deal with armed thugs…

          • jimmy

            How strange. Keep taking the meds and I hope it all works out for you.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            See, I don’t have your issues, Mr. Strange.

  • cerius lee

    back of the queue…F you!….the truth is we don’t need trade deals, just check to see if you have anything with made in China stamped on..or perhaps you haven’t heard of Google…that little american company along with amazon and expedia etc that we pour our money into….even though we’re back of the line to have a deal with them!…typically comprehensive trade deals are protectionist, especially for big business…let’s get out there and start trading with the rest of the world…on our terms not those that Brussels will let us have (while keeping 75% of the tariff)

    • Leon Wolfeson

      Yea, no need for that evil trade… barriers are what are protectionist…as you want less trade with the world in general, and ignore why Britain has been so prominent in EU trade matters…

    • Grandito

      We already have what most people would consider “free trade” with the USA and EU as does every other member of the WTO. The term is actually rather meaningless as there are countless “free trade deals”, both bilateral and multilateral, all over the world – all rather different from each other.

      My company trades with the USA all the time and it could not be less restricted (absurdly there is less paperwork involved trading with the USA than there is trading with other members of the EU). The US tariff on our goods is zero percent and if we were to leave the EU our exports to the EU would be subjected to a tariff of 1.7% – which is totally irrelevant (currencies move more than that in a day).

      The free trade deals now being discussed do not actually relate to trade in the sense that most people would expect – they involve removing the power of governments to set safety standards so that foreign companies are free to sell their goods that don’t meet those standards into the market; preventing governments from specifying that only national contractors can carry out work that involves national security and so forth. Under “free trade” a drug company should be allowed to sell its drugs in all markets if it has certification for use in one. If the UK does not permit a drug to be prescribed then a foreign company manufacturing it could potentially sue the government. In the context of the EU and the USA “free trade” really means removing power from government and increasing the power of big business.

      • cerius lee

        brilliant post!

    • jackbenimble333

      Agreed. The trade deals just cement the power of the crony capitalists (aka fascists). The unelected trade bureacracies to which sovereign states happily surrender their people’s sovereignty are staffed by a revolving door of technocrats who rotate between government, industry, and the trade bureacracy. Their last loyalty is to the people. It looks a lot like the EU.

  • Sean_OHare

    Obama did not ‘win’ the Nobel Peace Prize. He was awarded it by a self-serving elite.

    • Leon Wolfeson

      Wait, who does give it? Oh, people appointed by Norway’s government,

      What’s your problem with Norway, again?

      • Sean_OHare

        As I said “self-serving elite’. Norway’s government is pro-EU and does not serve the people, who are large majority anti-EU, at all well. Otherwise I have no problem with Norway, I see the Norway Option as our escape route from political integration into an EU superstate.

        • Leon Wolfeson

          Ah, so you reject democracy when it does not suit you, check.

          And you want to give up lots of rights and pay almost as much… and only get a small fraction of the trade benefits…sigh.

          • Sean_OHare

            I do not reject democracy at all, but what we have in this country is a electoral dictatorship. Norway does not fair any better in that regard but at least they have been granted two referendums on the EU and soundly rejected it both times.

            It is the EU that is restricting our rights as free-born Britons. Compare English Common law with that pertaining on the continent (Corpus Juris). Britain should never be answerable to a foreign court.

            As for paying into the EU. Obviously you haven’t done your homework. Norway pays nothing for participating in the Single Market under the EEA agreement. It contributes voluntarily to programs that it regards as beneficial. It also only implements only those directives relating to the Single Market and is able to ignore those concerned with the CAP and CFP (epecially the CFP!) as these are not covered by the EEA agreement. It also has a veto and has used it in the past to refuse to implement the 3rd Post Office Directive. The total payed to the EU is, per capita, about 1/2 of what we pay.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            So you reject democracy, check.

            As you claim the right to what – not pay workers? stop paying leave?

            Then you ignore the basis of the ECHR, which isn’t an EU body and get confused over the ECJ for that matter. As you deny Norway’s payments, on top of high fees for other programs. Ignoring the CAP and CFP is not worth isolationism, and it’s “veto” covers a tiny number of items related to the entire economic area and not just the EU.

          • Sean_OHare

            This is the kind of democracy I wish to see:
            http://harrogateagenda.org.uk/

            I never mentioned the ECHR or the ECJ for that matter. Are you getting me confused with somebody else?

            According to this blogger, who I believe has really done his homework, I was mistaken about Norway’s payments for access to the Single Market, which it does indirectly via payments to EFTA. It works out at about £8.5 million per annum or about £1.65 per head.

            http://euquestion.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/cameron-watch-how-much-does-norway-pay.html

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Oh, that load of dictatorship…

          • big

            The trouble is THA is controlled by a bunch of idiots who have done very little to promote it for nearly 4 years.

          • Sean_OHare

            The decision was made to focus on leaving the EU because nothing is possible unless that happens. If you bothered to read Flexcit you might recognise Stage 6 as the Harrogate Agenda. I think it deserved a higher ranking, but I am told that the 6 stages are not necessarily sequential.

          • big

            Don’t make me laugh…..so please show me the EU directive that stops you creating a political movement….thought not, it doesn’t exist. Now you actually sound like someone from the echo chamber also known as the EU Ref blog. Flexcit ….yes very interesting Norths failed attempt to win the IEA Brexit competition…or how a 25000 word essay turns into a monster 400 page exercise in ego projection…..yes i have my copy of Flexcit very good when I’m having problems sleeping….also good for a laugh….hey don’t forget …It’s Flexcit..or was that Flexshit?

          • Sean_OHare

            We ae already a political movement. The first objective is to get the UK out of the EU and return sovereignty/governance to the United Kingdom. Once that has been achieved the plan is to push for reforms to stop the ba$tards giving our sovereignty away again.

            You will note that Richard North’s work is now the only Brexit plan in existence. The rest have long receded into obscurity because they weren’t viable. The IEA specifically excluded any submission that involved EEA membership. The only problem being they neglected to make that clear in their entry requirements.

            You humour is hillarious… but take my advice and don’t give up the day job quite yet.

          • big

            You keep making me laugh, you really do….what movement? show me all your thousands of members? come on show me…..thought not just a bunch of angry bloggers…..as for Flexygit i thought it was some sort of 1950s chest expansion exercise routine….it made me laugh..it really did… who cares about North? ….no one.

          • Sean_OHare

            I think you misunderstand the purpose behind FleXcit, which incidentally has now exceeded 50,000 downloads (even if one of those was yours). Firstly it was intended as a contribution to the leave campaigns in order that they may have answers to rebut the fear tactics it was obvious the EUphiles were going to throw at us. It is true that FleXcit has failed in that regard, but it is nevertheless the only viable exit plan out there. There are still over 7 weeks to go so I’m not giving up yet.

            Whichever way the vote goes we will be out within a decade and I suspect it will be much less. I would rather we were on the outside when the sh*t hits the fan.

    • Sue Smith

      Spot on!!

    • Aberrant_Apostrophe

      As many people pointed out at the time, it doesn’t have to be awarded if there are no worthy candidates.

  • Paul Mitchell

    America has always been jealous of British economic power. Pre the second world war America and Britain were rivals and US politicians sought to decrease the UK’s military power at every turn. The Washington naval reduction treaties of the pre war period, at the behest of the Americans are an example of the this. The reduction in our naval strength left us weak and unprepared for war in 1939. Also Britain was bullied into renouncing treaties with Japan as it was deemed to be not in America’s interest. Japan never forgave us for that. Now it is economic rather than military power that America seeks control over Britain and anchoring us to Europe is just one way. We must free ourselves of being a lapdog of the USA and a start is stop the drift towards a European superstate. If we don’t take the chance now the ‘one worlders’, led by the fanatics in America and Germany can claim another victory.

    • Leon Wolfeson

      Ah, can’t be British people with other views, as your English Supremacist… gotta be free of those pesky workers rights and nasty trade…

      PS, how do you intend to free England from Europe? Steam jets?

      • Brigantian

        Ah yes those workers rights…the right to a minimum wage below subsistence level, the right to a pension that has no value, and a multitude of rights for people working full time who are not on zero hours contracts.
        Roll back the clock to 1972 and what a different situation we had. Jobs for life. Not only full time but with overtime paid at time and a half, and double time at weekends (some of us can remember what weekends were), not only paid holidays but often with holidays paid for by the employer, and index linked pensions with the employer paying in 10% of salary or more.

        PS: I suggest a hydrogen bomb half way through the Channel Tunnel should do the trick, and prevent the French moving the ‘Calais Problem’ to Kent.

        • catherinette

          Careful, I send you Calais”the jungle” !

        • Leon Wolfeson

          Yes, I know, too high wages for you, etc.
          Then you blame something which is to do with British Neoliberals…

          As you suggest spewing radioactive material across much of Southern England…

  • Robert the Engineer

    Another way that Conservatives have been angered by the conduct of the EU Referendum is that several Local Election Candidates have been ordered not to distribute election material which they have paid for themselves, because of references to the EU.

    Apparently it is perfectly acceptable for the remaIN people to do everything they want to to campaign. But int the interests of the Conservative Party being “neutral” on the EU, anyone who wants to get Britain out of the EU is gagged by orders from Party officials.

  • Trailblazer10
  • trobrianders

    He’s arrogant because the loony left have succeeded. They’ve slowly taken over the education and media sectors of western nations. Trump and Brexit are the first attempts to fight back but they’re tame and they will fail. Things will get much worse over the next 5 years and then much further nationalist parties will come to the fore. It will get far uglier than the 1930s. The price you pay for delaying the inevitable. It’s a fight that the far Left live for.

  • KilowattTyler

    Aren’t we forgetting something in all of this?

    The USA accounts for only about 4.5% of the world’s population and its economic growth rate is not stellar. Perhaps we are mesmerised by the power and success of the US for historical reasons (it wasn’t wrecked by WW II, unlike most of Europe; it was outside the Communist sphere; China and India, along with most of Africa and Latin America were dirt-poor; and the US had soft power in the form of Hollywood and TV network programmes sold overseas).

    China and India are now strong countries, by virtue of a high rate of economic growth. To grasp just how economic growth rates affect an economy, bear in mind (for example) that a growth rate of 7.25% or thereabouts results in an economy doubling in size every ten years. As an illustration of the effect of high economic growth rates, the economy of Poland is now about three times as big as it was when the ‘Wall’ came down.

    Now look at this table of growth rates from the World Bank:

    http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG/countries?display=default

    Some of the highest rates are for third-world countries. The Chinese have not been slow to recognise this and have invested heavily in certain African countries. They are also using soft power, e.g. free Mandarin lessons, to extend their influence.

    Many expanding third-world countries are within the Commonwealth. This is a ready-made vehicle for developing mutually-beneficial trade links and we could also use it for soft-power, e.g. through education.

    What about South America? Not all Latin Americans are firm friends of Uncle Sam and might welcome stronger trade links with someone else.

  • Sue Smith

    Absolutely agree with this article about King Obama and his majestic pomposities.

  • John H. Shuba

    Nobody should be surprised by this. This is not about Britain’s welfare or whether their lot will be improved or damaged by continued presence int he EU. What we have here is Mr. Obama coming to the aid of his own “class.” Mr. Obama makes no secret of his less-than-full-throated admiration of the United States. In fact he believes that most of us are rubes and hicks who need to be told what to do for their own good. He doesn’t consider himself an American so much as a member of that international elite of left-leaning celebrities, governing officials, administrators, “intellectuals”, NGO’s and academics who globe-trot from one place to another offering their “expert views” on everything. Mr. Obama has worked hard his whole life to join this elite and they were happy to have him since he showed very early that he is “one of us.” As such the repression and dictatorial rule of, say, China doesn’t bother Mr.Obama because China’s rulers share his own assumptions about “the people.” Whatever draconian measures such a government might take are OK because their leaders are so “forward looking.”

    From my vantage point this seems to be the same position taken by Cameron, Corbyn, Merkle, Hollande and all of the burgeoning bureaucratic apparatus of the EU and the UN. These people don’t care about their countries as much as their adherence to “The New Ruling Class” made up of the groups and individuals listed above. [One might ask – “How do I become a member of this elite group.” You do it by simply sharing their assumptions and making a gesture such as putting one of those tiresome “COEXIST” bumper sticker (made up of religious symbols) on your car. This gets you in. You also have to be a “victim” of something.]

    This is why Mr. Obama is coming to Britain. The EU and everyone who works for it are his guys, his peeps, his posse and his crew, They are people who produce only one thing – social control. And there is nothing that Mr. Obama loves more than that.

    • Paul

      Refreshing to read a well thought out, intelligent observation.

  • Walfgang Unkmadeus

    First, there is nothing wrong with being arrogant.

    Second, if someone could be forgiven for being arrogant, it’s the leader of the free world.

    And third, nothing about Barack Obama has ever struck me as arrogant. He seems a thoroughly decent, able, intelligent man who has run into a wall of thinly veiled racism.

    • Zaba

      obama is an arrogant islamophile

      • Walfgang Unkmadeus

        Well put! Have you been saving that one up? I bet you have …

    • ARMADILLO13

      He certainly has nothing to be arrogant about.

      • Richard

        Reminds me of Churchill’s comment about Clement Attlee: “An empty taxi drove up to 10 Downing Street, and out of it stepped Clement Attlee.”

        • ARMADILLO13

          To be sure his empty arrogance is but a symptom of his sociopathy.

    • Kennie

      Take off those silly BBC rose-tinted specs and take another look.

      • Walfgang Unkmadeus

        Stop smoking whatever you’re smoking and make an actual point.

        • Kennie

          Amateurish attempt at Projection there walfie.
          If you need that to be explained to you, then you are beyond hope .

    • greencoat

      ‘there is nothing wrong with being arrogant’
      Classic.

      • Walfgang Unkmadeus

        Well, there isn’t. Modesty and meekness as a “virtue” have always been highly overrated, a means of making hopeless plebs feel a bit better about their lives.

        As far as presidents go, there are far worse things than being arrogant. Being wrong, for example, or grossly incompetent or corrupt. I’ll take arrogance any day.

    • HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

    • CrazyHungarian

      I was waiting for someone to bring up the tiresome point that any disagreement with Obama is just racism. Like an overplayed and deflated soccer ball, an utterly worthless claim.

      • Walfgang Unkmadeus

        I did not say that “any” disagreement was racism.

        What don’t you agree with, Crazy?

        • CrazyHungarian

          You might not have said it, but you certainly implied it. I’m trying hard to think of any of his policies and actions that I agree with, but right now I can’t think of any.

          • Walfgang Unkmadeus

            People viscerally hated him on Day One, before he had done a single thing. The level of hatred he met from Republicans was unprecedented, with their refusing to give a single inch on basic government housekeeping that has always enjoyed bipartisan approval. The Republicans would rather shut down the government and bring shame upon themselves than give Obama an inch.

            That’s racism.

            Again, what actions of his do you hate, then?

          • CrazyHungarian

            And Obama initially tried so hard to work with the loyal opposition. Like inviting Congressional leaders to the White House for a meeting and telling them “I won” ….so shut up and listen. Then calling the Republicans his real enemy, as in his quote “reward our friends and punish our enemies” when talking about internal politics. And then he didn’t directly meet with the minority leader for more than two years. As a contrast, remember that Ronald Reagan met with the opposition leader almost weekly.

    • Keepitdown

      “He seems a thoroughly decent, able, intelligent man who has run into a wall of thinly veiled racism.” You are a thoroughly uninformed ninny.

      • Walfgang Unkmadeus

        Civility won’t hurt you, or having a point.

  • David Peden

    Mr. Obama is the ultimate apparatchik. He has never in his life done anything productive to sustain himself, rather has always been a part of that group that would control every detail of our lives “for our own good”. A nation even considering ridding itself of a whole layer of useless distant bureaucrats is intensely disturbing to him as the very idea is an existential threat to the source of his wealth and power.

  • Zaba

    obama arrogant?

    Obama: This is the most peaceful era in human history

    In Germany, Obama makes surprising assessment of world peace, even while calling for Europe to do more to fight brutal ISIS jihadists.

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/211399

    • CrazyHungarian

      It all depends on your field of view. It’s pretty peaceful on the golf course.

  • Disqus Bolloqus

    The question isn’t whether Obama is arrogant, whether he’s likeable or not. The only thing that matters is whether he’s right or not.

    • ARMADILLO13

      You’re right. B.O. not so much.

  • I always thought Tim talked sense on the tube. This article is second rate. All the depth of a puddle, GCSE level analysis. Which funerals he attended? No context on Syrian or Libyan decisions?

  • Paul

    I am no political expert and nor do I pay much attention to politics. Luckily due to age and observation I am in that comfortable (although concerning) place of knowing full well, that very few politicians act with the number one consideration for their own people. Mostly politics supports and aids big business, helps keep themselves in jobs and follows a predetermined philosophy that is far too rigid and without room for open mindedness. It is done through prejudice, self gain, narrow mindedness, a desire to control, to dictate and often arrogance, smothered with a good degree of the ignorance of reality. I have not seen any politician for a long time, that truly impresses me, or has the basic ingredients of leadership qualities. They have little understanding of external cultures and sweep around the world in luxury, dictating and demanding, often with complete ignorance of the fact, they are employed by the hard working, tax payer. There is far too little, fair, open dialogue, or glimpses of minds that are prepared to change and be open to other ways of thinking. The fundamental precept of wisdom comes from listening, discussing and being open minded enough to realize we are not always right and other people may have a much better way of doing things. It is how we learn and grow as humans.

    It is sadly one of the reasons large numbers of developing nations are so fed up with our Western nations dictating to them. If one travels and works, it is so easy to see and also understand why they are fed up. It is a philosophy of “Do as we say, or suffer the consequences”. The UK has just had the same disrespect shown to them, as numerous developing nations have been shown, by not only our UK government but most Western nations (with a few exceptions). It is basically a taste of our own medicine. I love the UK, love the USA and love Europe. I have met wonderful people in all. But I am not stupid enough to think politicians act for our sole benefit. Albeit they should.

    What happened to being nice, well mannered and respectful, to not only the people a politician represents and is paid by, but also respectful to the other nations it visits. The people of every country have a right to be lead by people, who act in the best interests of those people. Why ? Because we pay them. We give them the job. They are employed by us. But it seems this is long forgotten and the arrogance and dictatorial tone with which they speak to us, is mind blowing. Excuse me, you work for the people. They have every right to decided themselves and not be bullied or told, or threatened. Personally I do not know whether the UK should stay in the EU or out. But what I do know is for hundreds of years we got on pretty well without it. And anyone who uses scaremongering tactics to try and persuade people who have an opinion they would prefer to see the UK, out of Europe, is juts exactly that. Scaremongering to try to persuade and manipulate.

    The world is actually pretty unhealthy at this time and if one travels the world, it is clear to see. With good and honest leadership, it can in time be healed. But without good leadership based on respect for the people they represent and respect for other people around the world, it only worsens. Far too much arrogance, dictatorial attitudes and a great lack of intelligent knowledge of our amazing planet as a whole and the people who live on it. We can only hope for better, as we deserve it.

  • Mary Barnes

    Obama is a good man. He has intelligence, bravery, and decency.
    He is right about the EU. We need it for our geopolitical, food and economic security.
    He is a clever guy.

    • PeterK10

      What drugs are you waking up from? The man you speak of is an unintelligent coward, an outdated Marxist, an intolerant hypocrite, and a pathological liar. Anyone not wearing the rose-colored glasses of delusional progressivism would be able to discern that with little effort.

      • Mary Barnes

        I know you are but what am I.

        • jackbenimble333

          Are you a first grader?

    • Richard

      In his own country, he is the least popular president in history. I would tend to take my cue from people who know him best.

    • rapscallion

      Odd is it not, that whilst he doesn’t want Britain to be an independent sovereign state, it’s not something he’s want for the US. Besides, it’s none of his business. The one thing the EU will not do is provide security of any kind. How’s that economic security working out for you in Greece and Italy by the way?

      • Mary Barnes

        The USA is in NAFTA, NATO and the UN. Just as we are in the EU, NATO and the UN.
        You do not understand geopolitics if you think the EU does not provide us security.
        Why enemies of Europe want to break us up? Remember divide and conquer.
        Greece and Italy would be in worse state if they left the EU. No one is putting forward that idea in those nations.

        • rapscallion

          Really? All that “security” that is flooding in from Eastern Europe – you know all those Jihadists, via the very method the said they’d use – and that’s MORE security? You conflate, as so many do, EU with Europe. They are not the same. One is a continent and the other is a political construct that isn’t so much undemocratic as anti-democratic. Italy and Greece would be considerably better off if they left the EU because then they could a) control their borders and b) Set the rate on THEIR own currency, something that neither of them can do now. Bear in mind that not wanting political union is not anti-European. I just prefer that we rule ourselves without foreign interference.

          • Mary Barnes

            So the collapse of the Middle East is due to the EU. How is that then?
            So how would Greece send back the immigrants, just by leaving the EU?
            How would they send back people fleeing war, back to Syria. How?

          • rapscallion

            You are putting two and two together and coming up with 5. If the Dublin agreement had been stuck to then Greece could have accepted OR rejected asylum seekers. NOT immigrants. Greece, or indeed any other country can legally reject immigrants (except EU passport holders within the EU), but that’s another matter. In fact, the last time I looked Greece did not have a border with Syria, but Turkey does. Therefore it is Turkey’s duty to reject immigrants, but it can accept asylum seekers if it so wishes. The problems in Syria are not entirely of an Assad/ISIS nature. The KSA has a stake in this too – and surprisingly enough, oil is a large part of the problem. Which explains why Erdogan has been bought off with his own private oil supply courtesy of ISIS.

            How can I get through to you that being in the EU diminishes our control of what WE want in this country. Moreover it diminishes the democracy of every country within the EU.

          • simon li

            Regime change and color revolutions have come back to bite the murderous hands that stirred and wrought them. Problem is, the culprits can’t agree if the devil who spawned the plague of refugees and ISIS is the EU (aka NATO, Britain, France and Germany), the US of A, or China.

          • rapscallion

            To be fair simon li, I think they’ve all got their fingers in the various pies, and that includes the KSA. Britain and France should most certainly have kept out of it – we’ve only served to a) make it worse, and b) muddy the waters more than they need to be. Be aware that Russia is filling the vacuum left by the US in the ME, because Obama has drawn back to a degree after getting his fingers burnt. Even the Americans can put up with only so many body bags!

    • gmoney101101

      Obama has been a disaster and if he was intelligent some of his ideas would have worked.

      • Mary Barnes

        The USA economy seems to be OK.

        • The US economy is mired in stagnation and has gone nowhere for years. Businesses hunkered down and decided to ride out his presidency early in his first term when it became apparent he was an anti-capitalist.

        • Da_Bears1

          Yep! It’s doing ok with a glutton if you’re interested in wage service industry jobs.

        • gmoney101101

          the only thing we have going is cheap gas

          btw Obama said we would never have $2 gas and we can’t drill our way out. he was wrong on both counts.

      • Paul S HK

        Obamacare has worked, and the predicted disasters – GOP rightists were foaming at the mouth – haven’t happened.

        • jackbenimble333

          Obamacare is in its death spiral. Most of the cooperatives that the taxpayers were forced to fund have gone belly up. The largest insurers are bleeding losses and pulling out of the exchanges. Many Americans are looking at a market where they get to choose from only ONE plan. Millions of Americans were kicked off plans they liked and forced on to plans with higher premiums, lessor coverage and through the roof deductibles. And it is all costing vastly more then we were told. The majority of the American people hated it when it passed and they still hate it.

          • Paul S HK

            Dream on, dream on…

        • SK8NIG

          LOL @ the apologists. Apparently you missed last week’s headline in NYT, SuckPost or Dkoz about the nations’s largest insurer UnitedHealth pulling out of the exchanges. I’m sure it was front page, boldface in 54 point typeset. Actually to my surprise SuckPost did run a story on it. Had to have been very painful for the yes kids.

        • SK8NIG

          “UnitedHealth CEO Stephen Hemsley said the company expects losses from its exchange business to total more than $1 billion for this year and last.”

          I bet you’re one of the suckers who believed this model would actually reduce costs and you’d be able to maintain control of your provider choices. LOL, AMIRITE??

        • gmoney101101

          actually it hasn’t worked, sorry man.

    • CrazyHungarian

      Obama may possibly be intelligent, but unfortunately he sealed all his educational records and we have zero copies of any of his technical products. His two books may possibly have been ghost written and his speeches are all read off of a teleprompter. Do you recall when he even dragged that teleprompter into an elementary classroom to talk to fourth graders? I’ll take your claim as he may possibly be intelligent, but since there is zero historical proof, you can understand while I’m skeptical.

    • jimmyc1955

      Can you please point to events that illustrate his bravery, decency or intelligence? Braverly like in not doing anything when Syrians were gassing their own people? Or when he gave Iran a green light to build a nuclear bomb – what that where the intelligence came in? Decency – like when he pronounced the police in Ferguson guilty then only to find out after 4 autopsies that the “victim” a 6′-5″ 300 pound drugged out 18 year old did attack a police office 100 pounds lighter – and he declined to say anything? Tarring the very people who are trying to protect us – and without a shred of evidence? Is that the decency part?

      Barack Obama loves the sound of his own pontificating -and reacts badly when the world doesn’t heap praise on him for his banal utterances.

      Mary – stop reading his press releases and look at results and ask yourself – is the world a better place now than 8 years ago?

    • simon li

      Obama is something that dropped from the sky into the murky slime of the nation that god created. Can a piece of turd into god’s sewage trigger epidemic diseases? But Britain is neither slime nor sewage, just leftover turd that dropped from the sky in days long gone by. Why is a Murdoch slave complaining about another slave?

  • gmoney101101

    Sorry Britain but it’s almost over. At least you aren’t saddled with the 10T in new debt he ran up on the US.

  • ddurn5363

    Coming from the country who voted to Ban Donald Trump. Not a fan of Obama but if you cant handle an opinion I fear for your future.

  • GaryLeeT

    Great article Tim. You left out the part where Obama dashes off to recreational events immediately after a national tragedy. Empathetic pauses in his life are such a drag on play time.

  • akrasius

    Wow, the rest of the world seems to be finally catching on to what we conservatives in the states have always known. Obama is an orator, not a leader. He is a rockstar as a politician, but an unmitigated disaster when given the reins of power.

    Good to see that people are finally understanding what a fraud he has been.

    • Ray Caruso

      Obama is not an orator; he is a teleprompter reader.

      • rpmii

        The people that swoon over his reading “good morning” off the teleprompter made immense fun of Palin for having speech notes on her palm.

    • Paul S HK

      Unlike that brilliant man of the people George W Bush.

      • VABrian

        Still trying to get over that Bush derangement syndrome?

    • jackbenimble333

      His schtick has worn thin for me. It triggers my gag reflex. When he comes on the tube I usually strain muscles lunging for the remote to click to another channel.

  • wheezer

    Let The Brits decide for themselves whats best for them. The world needs more “each takes care of his own” not less of it.

  • Ray Caruso

    Winston Churchill might have said of Barack Obama that he is an arrogant man with little to be arrogant about.

  • No you’re wrong. Obama definitely hates Britain. He hates the west, period.

  • A.L. Cadillac

    When the epitaph on the Obama presidency is written, arrogant a**es like Mr. Montgomerie won’t be included. Cut from the same cloth as the generations of self-important Tory and GOP politicians who don’t understand the idea of intelligent decision making and thoughtful discourse, Mr. Montgomerie should have remained as a hack for Rupert Murdoch.

    • subframer

      if you think obama and team have made “intelligent” decisions on foreign policy and economics, I know everything I need to know about you.

      • Newfiedog

        For starters, lots of dead Libyans and Syrians are proof of his intelligence.

      • A.L. Cadillac

        Obviously, you don’t want to be confronted with any facts or evidence contradicting your worldview, because you’re an imbecile.

    • SK8NIG

      LOL. GTFO.

  • Joe__W

    Obama is so arrogant that he believes he knows best what’s best for everyone, even those in foreign countries.

  • longlance

    And yet, if Hillary Clinton becomes President, the world will yearn wistfully for the naïve innocence of the Obama era.

    • madhatter46

      Join me in Wonderland–what naive innocence? Read Alinsky, Cloward and Pivens, Frank Marshall Davis, his amigo Bill Ayers and 20 years at the Rev. Wright’s anti-American sermons. Obama is just following the playbooks of Rules and dogma of leftist Radicals. Think for himself–like all fools he thinks himself wise.

      • Stonecold Buckwheat

        you are 100% correct, but longlance’s point is that if Hillary gets in, she will do unprecedented, unimagined damage to our country. Just like Obama made the Clinton Administration look better by comparison, Hillary’s destruction of the USA will make the Obama Administration look better by comparison.

  • HenryC

    I do believe his actions will help those in favor of Brexit. People hate holier than thou attitudes and really, if not on the campaign trail, Obama has no other attitude. Resentment is likely to improve Brexit chances. PS Near half the people in the US blame the Democratic US congress for the recession and the loan failures by requiring banks to give loans to those that could not support them. Congress is not going to take the blame though.

    • taek1

      Nor will Congress ( at least the Republicans ) take the blame for the soon to crash land ACA, Obama’s so called “greatest” accomplishment.

    • __Epimenides

      Yeah! That’s what it was! Black people buying houses! That’s what brought down Neptune’s economy!

  • subframer

    obama’s serial narcissism is known of back to his nascent days in chicago. the fact that our electorate was so easily duped by this cult of personality outlier is a testimony to the baseness of this media age and the general stupidity of our populace. and the trajectory, sad to say, appears to be only down from here.

    • JP

      That pretty much nails the last 8 years of nothingness.

  • oakhill1863

    Excuse me, but I can’t write a longer comment because I’m still too upset that Bibi insulted President Obama by giving a speech to the U.S. Congress.

    • davidms

      You’re my hero.

    • taek1

      Go see a psychiatrist instead of blabbering online.

    • oakhill1863

      Hero or psycho-babbler, the line is apparently so thin.

  • OBUMYA

    If Obama’s election inspired the world, no wonder the world is so ucked fup….

  • VABrian

    The Obama canard is that he is always the smartest person in the room. And yet, he never released his college transcripts. We absolutely know why – they must be full of C’s and D’s from his drug filled daze at Occidental and Columbia. He is a card carrying member of the Worst Ever Leaders in the World.

    • CosmotKat

      Obama is smart, like a sociopath. He is a pathological liar that can only be accomplished by high intelligence. But high intelligence is often misused by the corrupt and morally bankrupt and he is case in point.

    • Blitz44

      But, more importantly, they also probably show that he was enrolled as a foreign student.

  • Just call me Joe

    No one who bothered to pay attention to Obama ever believed he was anything more than a talking head. He has the great skill of oratory (limited to reading from a teleprompter), where every individual in an audience believes Obama is talking directly to him, a skill he picked up by watching the master preachers in black churches.

    He is utterly clueless on economics, foreign policy, history, and the legislative process. He always has been. He surrounds himself, mostly, with yes men who tell him what he wants to hear. That is not the sign of a good executive, that is the sign of a narcissistic incompetent.

    Obama won elections for one reason: He is black. That trait alone moved record numbers of voters to vote for him. Yet, when asked, the majority of those voters had no clue what any of his proposed policies were or how those policies would relate to their lives. Many low information voters believed Obama’s presidency would lead to raining money. The opposite occurred, just as predicted by his opponents.

    Obama has no understanding of history. He made the grave mistake of bowing to the Saudi King when he first met. His biggest foreign policy errors are in dealing with radical Islam. His problem is that he lived for several years in his childhood in very tolerant Indonesian. The rose colored glasses of a child and the friendly, accepting Indonesians gave him a misconception. He projected that misconception onto the rest of the Islamic world with tragic consequences, and I believe the worst of those consequences is yet to come.

    The best advice to our British friends is to take Obama to Saint Andrews to play golf.

    • CrazyHungarian

      Obama was elected not just because he is black. Many leftists voted for him because is also a Marxist.

      • Paul S HK

        Haha!
        Your nick is pretty accurate!

    • CosmotKat

      I totally agree with most of what you say however;

      “Many low information voters believed Obama’s presidency would lead to raining money. The opposite occurred, just as predicted by his opponents.”

      You are wrong here. It has been raining money and all that money is being pocketed by his nefarious and corrupt pals eager to get in on the money gravy train. After all it is the hate middle class that provides the money in the form of taxation and what they cannot steal they print. What do you think that trillion dollar stimulus did for America? Nothing, but it made whole the public sector unions and the employees for life, the teacher unions and the green tech industry where democratic party cronies acting as investors were made whole off the back of tax payers. The radical U.S. left has been whining about inequality while their party has been increasing the inequality like not other administration in our history. Just look at the $10T he has spent in less than eight years.

      • Just call me Joe

        I am still correct, the money did not rain on the low information voters. It rained on the politically savvy.

        • CosmotKat

          To some extent it did. Look at the increase in food stamps and other entitlements. The money did not rain on the middle class, but the politically savvy, right on.

  • Fred

    He’s the second coming of Woodrow Wilson.

    • WalterWhite

      Obama makes Woodrow Wilson look like Mr Rogers.

  • Gerry

    President Obama isn’t arrogant, he’s self-righteous. Arrogance is a character weakness, self-righteousness is far more serious, it’s a character flaw

  • Larry LaHue

    Obama will be remembered, for the most part, for drowning us in debt and setting race relations back by 50 years or so.

    • Fraser Bailey

      Oburqa will be remembered, above all, for actively pursuing the Islamization and destruction of the West.

    • Skep41

      And ignoring the Constitution and breaking down the rule of law. Don’t leave out the good stuff.

    • WalterWhite

      And flooding our country with illegal immigrants and rapefugees.

    • Newfiedog

      Can we put his face on the $20 trillion bill?

    • clivegeo

      He will be remembered for saving the US and the world’s economy and along with 20 million people with insurance,saving the housing industry, not to mention the auto industry among many others!
      Cleaning up GWB and the GOP trickle down mess!
      4.9% UNEMPLOYMENT…whats not to like?

    • taek1

      Don’t forget ACA. It is definitely crash landing very soon.

  • JoeLearner

    “Few of them would allow citizens of much poorer neighbouring states to have full rights to live and work in their countries or let foreign courts change their laws. But that, apparently, is what Britain should accept.”

    Nope, he’s pushing that on the US too.

  • Skep41

    The reason that Trump is doing so well is that he rejects the internationalist bull-honky that says that the leader of a nation should never be an advocate for that nation’s interests. The entire Glow-Bull Elite has gone along with that idea leading to the decline of Western democracies and the rise of nations who reject the internationalist codswallop, and not coincidentally, to a huge increase in wealth of those same elites at the expense of normal citizens. Britain was smart to have not signed on to the Euro disaster and I think, in spite of Our Dear Leader’s command, that the Brexit will win. People are totally sick of the Progressive Internationalist depression.

  • RJ

    The last 8 years have been a case study in narcissistic functioning. If something is going right, he takes credit. If something is going wrong, blame obstructionists in congress, or George W. Bush, or the person who brings it to his attention. If someone questions his omniscience and omnipotence, they must be destroyed, not debated, not heard, but destroyed. They are racists. They are deniers. They are on the wrong side of history, whatever that means.

    His followers do all that they can to maintain his self-image. They join in the attacks, verbally pummeling those who do not agree. Their reptilian brain is busy dividing the world into friend and foe. There can be no middle ground. They happily supply his narcissistic needs. There are thousands willing to surround him to tell him he is right.

    • Paul S HK

      Super example of self-projection…

      • RJ

        Perhaps, but that doesn’t mean I’m wrong about it. If I am, as you claim, a narcissist, who better to recognize another.

    • clivegeo

      His last 8 years has save the world’s economy!!!

      • jimmyc1955

        ugh – how so??? GWB saved the insurance companies – O’s spending plan created $1 Trillion in new debt with almost no substantial results to speak of.

        Can you point out the study where anything his administration did positively impacted the global economy?

        • clivegeo

          You are dumb
          if you do not realize that when the US economy fails the worlds fail!!
          when he came into power in 209..we were loosing an average of 8000 jobs each month..7 months after the unemployment reached 10.1%..do you remember that?
          the housing industry was a bust ,the auto industry was a bust and the stock market was 5600..do you remember that?
          I will give some credit to GWB..he at least realize that he has to invest millions including bailing out some of the banks..Obama continued that…
          Sir that is why their are those debts…not to mention most of it came from the GOP and their tax give away to the rich…960 billion worth by 2009!!
          What you don’t realize and most economist will tell you that you have to invest to make profits..it is econ 101!
          he invested in these industry..now where is the auto industry and the housing industry?..what about the stock market?..the unemployment figure ,now!
          how many months now of job growth!
          As for the world economy..what you think would have happened if the US economy has collapsed?…if you are a student because I can only think you are ..ask your teacher(econ teacher).
          If you are really an adult ,I cant help you..it is too late now to teach you about the co-realtionship with the world’s biggest economy….but here is a clue..THINK EVERY COUNTRY TRADE IN HE GREENBACK..AND NEEDS IT!!

          • jimmyc1955

            Again – you give me talking points. None of which has anything to do with Mr. Obama’s actual actions.

            He passed an almost $1 Trillion spending plan that by many well respected economists had no real impact on the recession. Additionally, in the midst of the recession he and congressional democrats imposed additional fee’s on US citizens through the ACA – eating up that much more hard earned income for the average citizen.

            Yes – the US economy did rebound but it rebounded on its own merits – not on any action the government took.

            And as to my education level and maturity – progressives always assume some undefined level of intellectual superiority – reminiscent of teens seeking accolades from peers for some insignificant feat. Your command of meaningless generalities unsubstantiated by fact certainly command my respect.

          • clivegeo

            Talking points..ahh..brother i am not a democrat..ok!
            i am an economist…surely you don believe that the economy would have rebounded.by itself!now that is a republican talking point.
            I do not live in USA..I AM CANADAIAN…unlike you i have no axe to grind,obviously you are a ideolog repbublican!
            I do not agree with most of what Obama did especially his foreign policy..but the eonomy i totally agree with what he did…there maybe some truth to what you say about the economy rebounding…after about 25 years and the collapse the the world economy where they would have a news currency like what Putin and the Chinese want!
            because with ideologs like you leaving the american economy as it was it would have been devastating to the Russians and Chinese…….the US DOLLAR would have worth nothing!!
            This is why i agree with these two countries..it is time to get a central currency!

      • RJ

        What policy has he enacted that has helped the world economy? I can cite a number that have been a huge drag on the American economy. Let’s begin with the employer mandate that serves to discourage companies from hiring more than 49 people full time, and encourages companies to limit the hours people work. There is also his unwillingness to work with congress to pass a budget, though that does run both ways. Neither side seems to be willing to work together for that one. His foreign policy has destabilized the Middle East and North Africa, which puts strain on economic growth world wide.

  • simon li

    Is he trying to give face to a dwindling and dwindled ‘power’?

  • jimmyc1955

    I will confess to not fully understanding the impact of exiting the EU for the UK.

    But I think it inappropriate that our President impart his opinion on the choice the people of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. It is your choice and the consequences will be yours.

    I for one thank you for all that the relationship between the UK and US has meant. On the whole it has been a positive partnership for the world. And frankly I truly believe that Oscar Wilde once said: “We have really everything in common with America nowadays, except, of course, language” – thought I truly hope that isn’t true.

    PS – Thank you for your beer – I love British Ales and Irish Stouts – as an aside.

    • Paul S HK

      Even our great PM Winston Churchill was half American. You supported us (late, but you did, like brothers) against Hitler.
      We value your opinion.
      It was honestly and sincerely given.
      And probably correct.
      But maybe not.
      Anyway, thanks.

      • clivegeo

        You guys cant even see the big picture..let me spell it out to you and this “so called writer”!!
        Breaking up of the EU PLAYS INTO WHAT PUTIN IS TRYING TO DO…
        Do you think each individual country can take on the Russians..
        You are all so anti-Obama that you guys cant even see the big pic!

        • basaltie

          That is what NATO is for.

          • clivegeo

            What do you think will happen with NATO. .if each country in the EU do not trust each other. especially don’t trust Britain?

          • clivegeo

            Right now they do not even trust turkey with good reasons!

      • JoeS54

        Obama does not speak for the US. Almost everyone in the US, were we in your shoes, what want out of the EU. In fact we would never have entered it or accepted the loss of sovereignty it entails. Obama likes it because it reflects his own view of government. Elites managing the little people for their own good, with a fake show of democracy to keep them placated.

        • Paul S HK

          He is your president… Elected… Like Bush43… Whatever that says about your electorate.

      • filmklassik

        Glad to hear you praising Churchill since many of your countrymen have lately reevaluated him, and found him wanting.

        Rather unbelievable.

        He remains one of my heroes.

        • Paul S HK

          Well, he was brave and he was brilliant, but he was not perfect.
          How many PMs have fought in a war, been captured and trekked to safety.
          How many have won the Nobel prize for literature.
          How many have been ‘called to give the roar’?
          How many have been painters whose works have lasted and whose writing on the subject remain fresh and encouraging (he wasn’t great but he was genuinely good and even in war found time for it).
          How many politicians, from wherever around the globe have spoken in such a tongue – with simplicity yet with cadences that lift your spirit – in such a time and inspired their country while declining to blame or to find fault with his domestic political opponents, but respected their sincerity even as he deplored their naïveté?
          Who else, despite or because of his love of champagne and whisky, could deliver humour as he delivered mordant wit and counsels against despair.
          No realistic and humble person could declare they had the standing to “reevaluate’ him! The very word tells you they are nobodies who measure out their lives, not in coffee spoons, but in the measurement of cents, pennies or old French francs.

          • filmklassik

            Didn’t know about Churchill’s painting. Wow.

            As for the recent Progressive reevaluation of Churchill… someone said recently that the lessons of history are never learned for long.

            Depressing, but true.

            Another of your countrymen, Rudyard Kipling, in the great poem “The Gods of the Copybook Headings,” got things exactly right about the amnesia of humanity.

  • WalterWhite

    Obama is nothing more than a Leftist’s wet dream.

    • ελευθερία

      And a liberty lovers nightmare…

  • Paul S HK

    Speccie overrun by loony rightists from the States.
    I know he’s their president, but really.
    Enough primitivism, thank you, cousins!

    • jimmyc1955

      See – there is that smugness we have come to so loath about progressives. What you have to be smug about eludes most of the rest of the world. Your estimates of your intellect are greatly exaggerated. But it doesn’t prevent you from the patronizing bombast you love to tell each other.

      • Paul S HK

        I just think of FDR when I get comments like that.
        Thank you!

  • Tamalpais

    It is actually very useful for Obama to express his opinion. He has been wrong about so many things that a wise person will use it as an indicator of what not to do and/or think.

  • Anon

    Narcissism:

    1. Excessive preoccupation with or admiration of oneself. See Synonyms at conceit.

    2. A personality disorder characterized by self-preoccupation, need for admiration, lack of empathy, and unconscious deficits in self-esteem.

    3. Erotic pleasure derived from contemplation or admiration of one’s own body or self, especially as a fixation on or a regression to an infantile stage of development.

    Except I disagree, Trump is even more narcissistic than Obama.

    • ARMADILLO13

      But Trump at least has built something.

      • jimmyc1955

        And gained the economic system with bankruptcies many times sticking the bill with others as he merrily skips out on debt.

        • ARMADILLO13

          You mean gamed (the system, etc.)? Bankruptcies are a fact of modern economics, sport. And who knows to what extent, oh, I don’t know, government overregulation played a part in these business failures. Trump’s debt is peanuts compared with the $10 trillion Barack has run up. While he merrily skips out. Hopefully. Sooner the better.

    • Phadras Johns

      I don’t know that it is possible to be more narcissistic than Barry. “The rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal”. He literally thinks he is godlike.

  • Phadras Johns

    As an American I’d like to apologize for the President involving himself in your nation’s politics.
    But the world cannot turn properly on it’s axis unless the opinion of the Great and Powerful Emperor Pen & Phone on all subjects is known. Since everything he touches becomes a disaster I hope our British friends take his Learned Advice with a bit of caution.

    • __Epimenides

      By all means, list all those “disasters” for us. Do you miss the stock market at 7000? Do you wish Bin Laden were still alive? Do you long for the days when the list of dead servicemen rolled on the screens following the evening news? Do you miss losing 500,000 jobs a month? Are you upset that we no longer have so many ground troops in Iraq and Afghanistan? Just what is it that is making you cry?

      • Phadras Johns

        Oh no. A cultist. Sorry friend after seven years of this even the most stalwart cannot believe. Go get ready to vote for Hillary; a couple of times of course.

        • __Epimenides

          And feel free to point out all the examples of voter fraud in your tiny mind!

          • Tamalpais

            You may wish to open your mind just a wee bit. I am aware of voter fraud convictions in states like:

            – Minnesota
            – Ohio
            – Maryland
            – Indiana
            – Texas
            – New York
            – California

            There are probably more. I’m guessing that there has been fraudulent voting convictions in the majority of states. While it doesn’t seem to be a huge problem, even one case is a threat to our republic.

      • afhack62

        The subprime mortgage crisis that tanked US and world markets was engineered by Democrats (it was largely under control by the time Misfire entered office). Our southern border is wide open. Unemployment continues to be through the roof. Our enemies everywhere are emboldened. Obama ran up the national debt in an effort to put the country into deeper crisis (and much of his Stimulus was, accordingly, wasted). Withdrawing from Iraq led to ISIS and the slaughter of hundreds of thousands. I could go on and on and on. But what I have offered might be enough to give you a little glimmer of awareness.

        • __Epimenides

          You have a degree from Trump U., don’t you? “Engineered by Democrats?” How silly! Our nation fell apart under complete GOP control. Running away from that responsibility just underscores their cowardice and incompetence. Perhaps if we had not invaded and “conquered” Iraq, there might not be any IS today. Feel free to gather all your NeoCon friends and your OWN children this time and head on over to combat IS and make the world safe for…whatever the GOP intended in the first place. It is hilarious to know that people like you think our immigration problem started in 2008. Did you know the Right Reverend Ronald Reagan granted amnesty to undocumented aliens when he was governor and gave them access to welfare (MediCal) benefits? Relax, the Scary Black Guy will be gone in a year. In the meantime, you can start practicing: “Madam President.”

          • afhack62

            Oh, I forgot to add: Fast and Furious, the IRS scandal, BO’s war on fossil fuels (we get only 13% of our energy from renewables and the vast majority of that is hydroelectric), the attack on Libyan, not supporting Iranian protestors in 2009, the reset with Russia (boy, was that a success!). Thanks for reminding me that my previous offering wasn’t enough to get your brain going Epimenides! There’s more to come if you need it.

        • 1CatEye

          Don’t bet on it!

  • afhack62

    So, you’re finally catching on–better late than never.

  • JoeS54

    If people in the UK pay any attention whatsoever to what this evil scumbag has to say, they deserve what they get. Regards from the US.

    • clivegeo

      I guess you guys got your messaging from Putin…that is his gold…first break up the EU then NATO..
      Putin
      Putin

    • clivegeo

      Is Putin paying you guys..must..you are helping in achieve is greatest goal…break up the EU and NATO!

    • bryan

      Kinda like the Iraqis got what they deserve for listening to George Bush.

    • clivegeo

      if people in the UK do not take heed and break up watch for their cost of living ,etc..rising!
      the only country that will be better off is Germany with the strongest economy and do not haveto contribute anymore when there is an economic collapse from the other countries,or help to bail out any of them like Greece!

    • 1CatEye

      Yes, he’s so concerned about the UK . . . so concerned that one of the first things he did when taking office was to send the bust of Churchill back. AND the Queen had to shush him during one of the dinners, because he didn’t know how to behave. How embarrassing.

  • Brooks J. Adamson

    The article is pretty spot-on. I am an American I know all too well about this president and his actions or lack thereof. If I had to defend mr. Barack Obama on one thing though it would be the executive actions or orders whichever you choose call them. The amount of political divide in the United States of America is well-known and very corrosive at this point and I personally if I were president would also take executive orders to get things done. Now granted I wouldn’t do the things he did but if I couldn’t get both republicans and democrats to work together, well, the country needs to move forward somehow.

    • Phadras Johns

      Don’t like that Constitution thingy and the rule of law much do you? But then democrats don’t.

      • redwhite&blue

        If you want to be taken seriously I would suggest you leave out terms like “thingy”.

      • Brooks J. Adamson

        With a Republican controlled Congress waiting to swoop down on this President like vultures, tell me what exactly has Obama done that other Presidents haven’t. And I’m sure I don’t have to remind you that he in no way holds the record for amount of Executive Orders issued.

        • 1CatEye

          EOs are not a substitute for laws passed by the Legislative branch. Hey, how about this: if Zero wanted to get things done, he perhaps should have met with the other side and used some of their ideas in, I don’t know, what’s that word . . . oh, yes, compromise. Instead, it’s been “my way or the highway” which is why he has been shown the highway and can’t get anything done. DUH.

          • Brooks J. Adamson

            Your are correct but are EO’s unlawful? If they aren’t….

    • clivegeo

      this article is spot -on..please ..it is a propaganda piece…this article fail to mention what is was like in 2009 …compare to now!

      • Brooks J. Adamson

        I believe the article addresses the momentous occasion of Obama’s rise to the Presidency and what he inherited. That being said it also points to the fact that this is overshadowed by the fact that we have seen a spike in not only political divide but racial and social as well.

        • clivegeo

          I am African living in Canada..and you may be right but it is not because of anything Obama did on the contrary he has not done enough for African Americans…can you imagine if he had ?
          there would have been a war saying that all he is catering to are his people!
          let me tell you what is happening….the racial divide is coming from the other side because that is all it is….they cant get to the vile and bitter hatred they have for him as a black president so they are taking it out on others of his ilk!
          just read the message board on the site alone!
          As for the political divide..it speaks for itself and as a Canadian from afar it was bound to happen it the tables were set from the same day he won the presidency…..there was a meeting of the repubulicans whose agenda was to make him not only a one term president but a failure..even today after more than 7 years they still cannot come to terms that a black guy is president..and i mean it is not only the republicans but some democrats too!
          My friend there in lies the problem and it will only get better in 2017 when he is gone!

          • 1CatEye

            Good God, is English your second language? I know you Canuks are supposed to be bilingual, but doesn’t that mean you actually can speak and write the languages?

          • clivegeo

            Actually…American English is the least recognized in the world..do not believe me…try and find out by going to the dictionary how their spelling is way off unlike everyone else in the world they think they speak the real English!
            As for me am at work and trying to type fast is not one of my forte..these are just typo!
            I have a a PHD in English Lit and Political Science..and just got my MBA!
            Guess what i was educated in England and and got my masters in Lit from Cambridge!
            that is where real English is spoken not in America where they invented their own!

          • clivegeo

            YOU REALLY THINK AMERICANS SPEAK ENGLISH? THE ONE THEY INVENTED..NOT THE QUEENS!

          • clivegeo

            Eg..color..what a joke..americans it is spelled colour!

          • clivegeo

            I want you to point out where in my post my English..i will take my queen’s English any day over the American invented one!

          • Maccabeus

            Please don’t play the tired, old race card where Obama’s failures are concerned. I don’t care what his race is; if he had been competent, experienced and held values that I cherish, I would have voted for him no matter what the color of his skin. Most Americans who criticize Obama do so, not because they have a “vile, bitter hatred” towards him as a black president, but because he has dragged America down with his policies and lack of leadership ability. And as far as African-Americans are concerned, they have suffered even more during his presidency with a higher unemployment rate and increased poverty levels. Still they would vote for him again just because he is African-American!

        • 1CatEye

          Crap. Every President “inherits” problems. They go forth campaigning, saying they will solve those problems. Yet, somehow there were just TOO MUCH for poor Zero to handle. Perhaps because he had no experience and the lazy jerk doesn’t do his job at all.
          Thank God.

        • Maccabeus

          As 1CatEye stated in his reply to your post, every president inherits problems. The hard truth is that Obama was not ready and not fit to tackle those problems as president. He had no executive experience whatsoever and was a junior senator from Illinois. Maybe if he had waited another ten or twelve years, been a governor, etc., he might have been qualified for the highest office in the land. His lack of experience and competency has shone forth since Day One.

      • Maccabeus

        I can tell you what it what like in 2009 compared to now. On the domestic front, we did not have ObamaCare, i.e, the “Affordable” Care Act. Since Obama and his party sycophants shoved that piece of legislation down our throats, health insurance premiums have skyrocketed. I used to pay $60 for my health care supplement; thanks to ObamaCare, it is now $95/month. For others, it has been much, much worse, with premiums rising by hundreds of dollars a month in the case of families. I mention ObamaCare because it is Obama’s “signature” legacy to the nation. And then we have foreign policy, which is in a shambles. Add immigration policies, the rejection of the Keystone Pipeline from Canada, Obama’s total lack of leadership where it counts, his interference in every racial charged problem that has resulted in a nation divided along racial lines- and oh yes, Americans are sooo much better off now than in 2009.

  • SeekingRationalThought

    I’m embarrassed that I take some satisfaction in observing Brits and Europeans squirm while observing our President up close. After all, many (most) of them praised Obama and scorned his opposition. Somehow they missed that he had no meaningful experience other than writing books about himself and that Sarah Palin, who wasn’t qualified for the office of Vice President let alone President, was objectively more qualified for the top job than President Obama. My irrational and embarrassing gloating being admitted, I would suggest that anyone who takes the President’s comments on the Brexit seriously should not be allowed out of the house unattended.

    • clivegeo

      I am embarrassed for you guys…helping Putin to achieve his goal!
      That you hate the President so much that you would help the Russian President achieve his goal!

      • clivegeo

        with each month the dozens of dead American service men in body bags landing at Andrews Airforce Base!

    • redwhite&blue

      Keep looking. You’ll find rational thought one of these days. Until it hits you, it is probably best to just stop embarrassing yourself with such inane statements as the half-wit Sarah Palin being more qualified than anyone for anything .

      • SeekingRationalThought

        So glad you have the facts behind you and are not reduced to name calling. Well done.

        • redwhite&blue

          Wait. Are you Sarah? Need facts ? How about some hard evidence:
          http://digg.com/video/sarah-palin-donald-trump-endorsement-speech

          • SeekingRationalThought

            And the quest continues. So long and thanks….

          • SeekingRationalThought

            Apologies. I missed your link although it doesn’t really address my point. I concede that she isn’t qualified but maintain that Obama was even less qualified. Your evidence only confirms what I already conceded but fails to address Obamas incompetence. Sarah P’s incompetence is merely a distraction from the real issue – Barak the Bloody.

  • bryan

    nothing is more arrogant than US meddling in countless governments around the world through out history, but no one ever called past presidents arrogant – people just died at the hands of US supported dictators. – at home in the US these past presidents are called great white knights

    • Phadras Johns

      Look kids an American lover!!
      Blow it out your backside with gusto.

      • bryan

        you should blow it out your backside- there are clearly many “American lovers” on this thread, based on the support of President Obama that can be seen here

        • __Epimenides

          Phadras is a Trump U. graduate.

          • 1CatEye

            At least he can read. You are probably still in your 7th year of 8th grade. Quick, how old does that make you?

    • Tony

      So upset that your side lost the Cold War, aren’t you? Don’t worry, you still have North Korea to cheer for.

    • 1CatEye

      Yeah, we should just have stayed home during WWI and WWII, right?

  • Levrok Tant

    Obama believes in exerting imperial power through centralization and globalization, in this case using Britain to control Europe. So take his advice and vote against Brexit if you are OK with the colonials dealing with Britain as a vassal. But as for the immigration problem, you got it exactly wrong. That isn’t due to an absence of US power, but rather the exuberant expression of it, and you yourselves share the blame for interventions that transformed functioning Middle Eastern nations into failed states, unleashing refugees from the Maghreb to the Levant and beyond. Because of your misdiagnosis of the problems in Ukraine (and collusion with your US overlords whom you taught to play the Great Game) prepare yourselves as well for the millions that will be fleeing that country.

  • Martin Flax

    Just one point of protocol. Sitting Presidents have not, in the past, attended the funerals of former First Ladies. President George W. Bush did not attend Lady Bird Johnson’s funeral, for example. And Bill Clinton did not attend Pat Nixon’s funeral, though he did eulogize President Nixon at his funeral.

  • diazontour

    The President skewered Netanyahu over basically the same thing, interfering in the politics of another country. What arrogance!

    • __Epimenides

      Is Obama addressing Parliament?

    • Summer Tyme

      ^ Except that the President was ***asked*** to come to Europe by the prime minister.

      And he met the queen and the royal family while there.

      Do you really think he would have made any comment about this at all without their tacit approval?

      • 1CatEye

        And Bibi was ASKED to come here.

  • bigpencil

    little muslim barry is a laughable failure. His only legacy will be his biggest embarrassment – his disastrous obamacare. Much like Seward’s Folly, barry’s health care debacle will be his only lasting legacy.

    • Summer Tyme

      Score – Obama care 20 million covered and rising.
      GOP – ZERO.
      GOP opposition still consists of ranting losers on the internet whose party doesn’t have a plan of their own after 6 years.
      Why is that?

      • __Epimenides

        Let’s give the GOP credit: They haven’t voted to repeal the ACA in over a month!

        • Summer Tyme

          lol.
          It’s truly sad that they have so little self respect – that they don’t even try to come up with an actual replacement or alternative.
          Like babies it’s apparently enough for them to simply throw a tantrum and go home.

        • Maccabeus

          I like your user name. Epimenides awakened from his 57 year old slumber with the gift of prophecy. So tell us, Epimenides, will the GOP vote again to repeal ObamaCare? Pardon me. I mean, the ACA?

      • Kopernicus

        Your number is a LIE.

        CNBC, hardly a conservative news outlet reports 9.9 million and dropping.

        • Summer Tyme

          ^ Your post is the lie. Or maybe you just don’t know how to read, or you don’t understand math?

          Which is it?

          What CNBC actually says…
          http://www.cnbc.com/2016/02/04/obamacare-final-enrollment-tally-127-million.html

          “Burwell also pointed out that more than 17.6 million people have gained health coverage since the Affordable Care Act went into effect”

          Your 9 million number only refers to the Federal Health Care exchanges.

          lol.

          Try again. Honestly it’s easier teaching horse to count than trying to teach a Republican to think – instead of re-canting ideology.

      • 1CatEye

        Hey stupid, the biggest insurer just dropped Zerocare, because it was economically unsustainable. Several states’ programs are going bankrupt. And I still don’t have insurance, just paid out of pocket for my doctor.
        You were saying, in complete ignorance?

  • bryan

    Horrible Obama, the next thing ya know is his meddling will lead to the overthrowing of the country’s leadership while looking for weapons of mass destruction… so arrogant –
    oh wait……

    • Tony

      You really do miss Saddam Hussein, don’t you?

      • Summer Tyme

        ^ Miss the 5000 dead Americans. Can you bring them back, please?

        • 1CatEye

          Oh, I thought it was 300,000 or something. You lefties can’t even keep your lies straight. See Hitlery Corruption.

  • Caspar

    Obama’s foreign policy seems almost passive aggressive – accomplishing the disastrous Libya regime change but with the optics of “leading from behind”, drawing the Assad red line but backing down when Assad crossed it, rightly tamping down visible military involvement in the ME while continuing and expanding drone attacks.

    • Summer Tyme

      re: the disastrous Libya regime change ….
      – Cause we all love Gadhafi.
      – Cause he hadn’t killed more Americans than any terrorist other than Bin Laden .
      – Cause the Europeans didn’t beg us to intervene to prevent a mass refugee exodus straight from North Africa into Europe.
      – Cause we can ignore the pleas of our NATO allies and not damage our alliance.
      ^ I already miss Obama’s intelligence and tactical acumen in the white house, and dread the however unlikely coming of the next generation of GOP morons, as evidenced by posts such as yours.

      • Paul S HK

        I think GWB was a disaster, no I think the Tories are better than labour, but looking at the consequences of the Libyan intervention, it was plainly a mistake.
        And a mistake,that was foreseeable and foreseen.
        Doesn’t mean that Obama is remotely as incapable as Bush43, but IMHO, the drive of the European leaders not least Cameron against Libya and Assad was a perfectly stupid piece of foredoomed idealism. Shame Obama didn’t stamp on it sooner.Worse still that Putin got that one right, geopolitically.

        • Summer Tyme

          I think GWB was a disaster
          ^ Ohh, gee, you figured it out. Did the Titanic also sink?

          • Summer Tyme

            re: but looking at the consequences of the Libyan intervention, it was plainly a mistake.

            ^ You are ignoring both the fact that the European’s begged the United States for help, and not addressing the question of what the consequences – to Libya, American and NATO would have been if the US had refused?

            [the whole leading from behind barb was based on European NATO taking the lead]

            That’s totally relevant to this topic and failure to address it makes your opinion superficial at best.

          • Paul S HK

            It just means I didn’t address the hypothetical future.
            If the us had refused, the Eu might not have supported ‘regime change’ and the mess in Libya might be less.
            Difficult call, but after Iraq, the problem with getting rid of X without knowing who replacement Y was going to be should have been evident.
            But not.
            Same in Syria.
            Must get rid of mr nasty.
            However, the replacement might have been far worse, but for a real and fairly powerful enemy in mr Putin.
            Who did get it right.
            We Tories used to get these cynical judgments right.

          • Summer Tyme

            It just means I didn’t address the hypothetical future.
            ^ What you failed to address is the consequence of of — your proposed inaction. —
            You might was well attack the United States for entering WWII and refuse to address the consequences of inaction – including world conquest by Hitler.

            Quite silly.

          • Paul S HK

            What’s silly is to compare the threat in the 1930s or 1940s from Europe’s leading industrial nation with a giant standing army and a history of aggression, at a time when it invaded multiple European countries, or frankly even before it invaded them, with Iraq or Libya or Syria.
            Iraq never threatened the west but was actually a secular bulwark against Iran. Libya was run by a madman but likewise apart from Lockrbie many years before was no direct threat to us… Less than the us funded IRA had been to the UK specifically.
            A few rag heads in the desert have so far totally failed to threaten more than sporadic terrorist action.
            With all due respect, slightly different from the situation in 1941.

      • Kopernicus

        Gaddafi was a despot with a horrible human rights record. So is Assad. But they are SECULAR leaders that keep large numbers of dangerous religious zealots in check. Now both nations border on anarchy. Egypt kept its peace deal (brokered by Jimmy Carter) for over 35 years, now that peace is in danger.

        Or are you a neocon that believes these people can form stable democracies, if allowed to?

  • Summer Tyme

    3 questions you won’t answer:

    What is the evidence that British politicians counting on his endorsement “don’t understand” the politics of their own country?

    If Britain chooses to stay in Europe does that mean that Obama was right and the author was wrong?

    How come UK bookmakers are siding with Obama?

    http://www.ibtimes.com/uk-brexit-vote-update-bookmakers-odds-shift-sharply-toward-britain-staying-eu-after-2359010

    Obama has a habit of proving his critics wrong.

    His critics have a habit of sulking and refusing to admit that they were wrong.

    • Kopernicus

      No, Obozo only proves his critics wrong when those of that work, pay taxes and support our nation watch so many people support his welfare-state drivel.

      Smallest percentage of the adult population working since 1977, and decreasing.

      Doubled the national debt.

      Largest percentage of people on government dependence.

      Middle East in ruins, with $150 billion going free and clear to the nation that built every IED that killed or maimed our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq. Refugee crisis of untold proportions.

      Shall I go on?

      • Summer Tyme

        ^ Please do.

        I recommend that you start by answering the 3 questions instead of ranting with off topic non-sequiturs.

        Unless your point is really to admit that you are *frustrated* because you have no answers and can’t address the topic?

        • 1CatEye

          You can “recommend” to your heart’s content, sweetie. No one has to answer to you. Your questions should be answered by the Brits. They are voting, not you.
          BTW, I seem to remember the OUTRAGE when Bibi came to speak to Congress. How DARE he interfere in US politics? Blah, blah. Why don’t you ask Zero the same question? Why is he interfering in another country’s politics?
          Answer: because he has failed here at everything he has attempted, and he is trying to find some kind of legacy for himself. How’s that deal with Iran coming?

          • Caspar

            You’re wasting your time, she has an enormous crush on Obama and becomes hysterical when anyone criticizes him for anything, even the Libya regime change which he’s cited as the biggest mistake of his presidency. Her devotion to Obama is more hormone based than issue based.

  • conservativechick

    As an American, I sincerely apologize for the last eight years. I had no hand in it, never voting for the man, but I apologize nonetheless. He has, in my opinion, been the worst president in history, and has done much harm to our nation and to the world. Rumor has it he would like to lead the UN. Heaven forbid!

    • Summer Tyme

      You are deluding yourself as usual.
      Ever been to Europe?
      The entire Republican movement is considered a joke there.
      And Obama is the most popular political leader in Europe.
      What will happen…
      The Brits will vote to stay in Europe – and Obama will win again.
      You will be reduced to your usual mindless kvetching.
      Now – go vote for Trump, it’s what the GOP does when it’s sanity has been shattered.

      • conservativechick

        I have in fact, twice. None of the rest of your commenting is relevant in any way whatsoever. “SummerThyme” – don’t you have a drum circle to attend or a pot shop to visit?

        • Summer Tyme

          ^ Is this relevant?

          http://www.businessinsider.com/obamas-approval-ratings-around-world-2015-6

          “Europe has supported Obama since the moment he became president. Although his ratings have slipped slightly over the last seven years, he still has the confidence of 83% of France, 76% of the United Kingdom, 73% of Germany, and 58% of Spain.”

          • Summer Tyme

            Conservative “chick”, needs to mature into progressive lady.

          • Johannessen

            ah, the usual smugness rears it’s head. If only “conservativechick” knew what was best for her, she would agree with you 100% of the time, right? Because anyone who isn’t progressive is just simply not smart enough to have an opinion, right?

            No wonder the sides can’t talk with each other. you are absolutely convinced of your own superiority and therefore even entertaining the ideas of “the other” is unfathomable.

          • 1CatEye

            Smug, ignorant, and ready to believe Europeans are so much smarter than Americans, because the left has told her that’s so. Stupidtyme has no original thoughts; she is a living, breathing bumper sticker.
            She’s also annoyingly stupid.

        • 1CatEye

          Or a Womyns’ Hate Group to attend? Hey, what will happen when the women’s groups discover the trans sickos have sold them down the river? Hey women, you don’t get to feel safe in the bathroom, but trans now have their own special place to ‘go’. How sweet.

      • 1CatEye

        Obama is the most popular leader in Europe. First, he isn’t IN Europe. He’s only popular there because they don’t have to deal with him, except for his trips for glowbull warming. Second, republicans aren’t considered a joke, they are simply the opposition party to the demonrats. Duh. You clearly have no clue how Brit politics work. But why would you, you don’t know how your OWN country’s politics work.

    • Paul S HK

      Of course, the whole world looks up to George W Bush n thinks him so superior to Mr Obama…
      Sorry, only joking.
      I prefer the Dixie Chicks to conservativechick.
      So much more moral, proper and interested in the moral strength of their country…
      Musically gifted too!

      • downtown21

        Don’t worry, I’m pretty sure Clinton is going to be our next President. I can’t make promises, but I’m reasonably certain my country is not going to unleash Trump or that lunatic Cruz on the rest of the world. They’re our problem, not yours.

        The United States is a country of huge contrasts. Most of the rest of the world thinks we’re just New York and Los Angeles, but as you can see there are huge parts of the country dominated by very ignorant people like this “conservativechick.” We’re endlessly frustrated with them, but we don’t know what to do about them. You have to understand that our schools are funded locally and run locally, so those of us who are from parts of the country that are well educated are powerless to fix the lack of education that produces people like her.

        • 1CatEye

          You are? How is she going to lead from jail? I thought felons weren’t eligible for President?
          And you’re worried that others aren’t as “smart” as you? Holy Lord, the world can’t wait for Zero to exit, either.

          • downtown21

            “The world” loves Obama and shakes their head in bewilderment about how you talk about your own president.

            Anyway, since everybody knows Clinton is not the subject of any criminal investigations, I’m not sure why you’re deliberately making a fool of yourself by talking nonsense…but I guess that’s your own business. Good day.

          • Maccabeus

            Excuse me, but there are over 100 federal agents currently investigating Hillary Clinton’s use of a private server. The FBI does not invest those kinds of resources unless they suspect a crime (or in this case, numerous felonies) have been committed. The guy who set up her private server, Bryan Pagliano, plead the Fifth when the feds first tried to interview him. Now he has been granted immunity from prosecution and is cooperating. So if this does not constitute a criminal investigation, I don’t know what does.

          • downtown21

            Okay, you keep taking comfort in the thought that she’s a suspect in a criminal investigation. If it makes you feel better, it’s really no concern of mine.

            Just prepare yourself for disappointment when it’s all over. You’re not going to get the outcome you’re hoping for.

          • skywalkr2

            easy when Obama runs the department of justice. He will go down as the most corrupt and lawless presidents in the last 50 years.

          • downtown21

            So she’s guilty even if prosecutors say she isn’t. How convenient for you.

          • Maccabeus

            Well, we don’t know for sure if she is guilty. We await the FBI recommendation when they finish their investigation. Many Americans don’t trust her, not even Democrats, because she has been caught in so many lies about many things, including the existence of classified emails on her private server. But whether or not a crime has been committed is up to the FBI to uncover, i.e., the evidence to support or not to support, an indictment.

          • Maccabeus

            Did I express any desired outcome in my post? No. I refuted your assertion that there is no criminal investigation and I simply want to see justice prevail whatever the FBI concludes from their investigation. If they found evidence against Hillary that supports an indictment, they will recommend that; if not, then she is off the hook. I can live with either as long as the law applies equally to her and everyone else.

          • 1CatEye

            The world? Let’s see: he took a stable Iraq and turned it into ISIS, he sat on his hands in Syria until Putin came along, he destabilized Egypt, crapped all over Israel, insulted long time allies like the BRITS and the Poles, turned a blind eye to Putin’s aggression in other countries, allowed Nork to become more unstable and belligerent, allowed the Chinese to build and arm several new islands, keeps our borders open so any riffraff can come in, has presided over the largest terror attacks on US soil since 911, caused even the Nobel Peace Committee to have second thoughts, and has hired every incompetent hack he could find to run every American agecy or department into the ground, is responsible for more debt than all other presidents COMBINED, has been slapped down by the courts for rvery unconstitutional power grab he’s attempted except Zerocare, which is dying under the weight of it’s own unworkability.

            Other than that, I’m sure you’re right and everyone loves him. /s

          • downtown21

            You read a lot of Breitbart, don’t you?

          • Maccabeus

            Did 1CatEye write anything about Obama that is untrue? Hardly. So why pick on him about what he reads?

          • downtown21

            Yes, he did!

          • 1CatEye

            No, but apparently you do. See, the typical conservative will read a lot of material (some of which makes me weep for humanity), analyze, then make an informed decision. Unlike the left, who resemble malevolent parrots with their oft repeated, always bs, talking points. That is, when they’re not busy rewriting history.

          • downtown21

            Your rant about “what Obama’s done” suggests otherwise.

          • 1CatEye

            Wow, how underwhelming.

        • Polly Si

          Please read this from Vox, a very liberal web site, and then look in the mirror http://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/11451378/smug-american-liberalism

      • danram

        Compared to Obama, George W. Bush looks like Franklin D. Roosevelt.

        • skywalkr2

          FDR was terrible… so bad analogy.

      • 1CatEye

        So musically gifted, the world hasn’t heard from them after they got their butts handed to them. Rightfully so. Their music sucked and they went to a foreign country to proclaim their hate of our President. You can’t call them racist, but you would if they did the same to Zero. See, maybe they just don’t like his policies, and aren’t RACIST after all.
        But of course, you wouldn’t know class if it walked up, introduced itself, then smacked you over the head for being so stupid.

    • Maccabeus

      I have lived through 12 American presidents in my lifetime and Obama is by far the worse I have ever seen. The Spectator is quite right about labeling him arrogant, and his domestic and foreign policies ineffectual, not mention costly. Come November, good riddance to one of the greatest electoral mistakes ever made by voters in my nation. To our British cousins I say, “Ignore Obama’s meddling. Hang tough and do what you think best for your country.”

  • Caspar

    It’s going to be an interesting vote. It’s hard for me to imagine the UK ceding so much power over their policies and laws to authorities outside the nation.

  • Summer Tyme

    http://www.businessinsider.com/obamas-approval-ratings-around-world-2015-6
    ^ Per Business Insider, everyone loves President Obama – except – > Russia and the GOP.
    Why is that?

    • __Epimenides

      Because both are arrogant and racist. Actually, the Republicans love and admire Putin.

      • Summer Tyme

        Precisely correct.

        • 1CatEye

          The echo chamber of stupid. Enjoy. Soros paying you overtime?

    • 1CatEye

      Everyone? How about Ghaddafi’s remaining relatives? Or the remaining relatives of the Benghazi 4? Or the relatives of the American service personnel who have been left twisting in the wind with useless and stupid ROE?
      Yeah, everyone. We don’t even like him here. Can’t wait for his skinny butt and Moochelle’s huge one to get out the WH door. YEAH!

  • Kopernicus

    BHO is against the Brexit for one simple reason. The EU was supposed to be the first step toward a world government. Now that people are realizing that smaller, more local control is actually better, he is in panic mode.

    Britain needs to get its pride back and first get out of the EU, and then reduce the amount of the welfare state it has become.

  • Summer Tyme

    Outside of the this threads usual GOP stroke fest, reality sets in…

    http://www.ibtimes.com/uk-brexit-vote-update-bookmakers-odds-shift-sharply-toward-britain-staying-eu-after-2359010

    Following his unexpectedly forceful intervention, the implied probability of a vote to remain in the 28-nation bloc rose sharply to about 75 percent, according to live odds from bookmaker Betfair.

    Ladbrokes’ betting barometer, also based on live odds, indicated a 73 percent chance of an “In” vote.

    Sterling hit a six-week high against the euro of 77.52 in early Asian trade, with traders saying Obama’s intervention was helping sentiment as it underlined the weight of argument from global and financial leaders in favor of the “Remain” camp.
    _________________
    When Britain votes in, you will all slink off and hide in a corner, far off….to the right.

    • __Epimenides

      Actually, it will be like civil rights, voting rights, etc. in the states. Once passed, conservatives will pretend they were for it all along.

      • 1CatEye

        No, that would be the left. Again civil rights before they were for them. Please do ask Byrd, Gore Sr., Connor, Wallace. All lefties. Oh, but you are hoping people won’t remember, or only rely on leftie sources, which are full of lies. Kind of like you.

      • Johannessen

        the difference is that for civil rights and voting rights in the states, conservatives ACTUALLY supported them and democrats opposed them. But keep revising history so that your “team” never has any mistakes.

    • NotHereEither

      Quoting from a gambling site and Forex speculators. Now that’s funny – Soros made his billions betting against those bobble-heads.

  • oldpoliscimajor

    BO is the perfect reverse barometer. If he says that Great Britain should stay in the socialist, effeminate, dying, muslim-overrun EU, then by all means, and for God’s sake, get out! He is evil, and his advice should not be followed under any circumstances. Follow him, and kiss your country goodbye.

    • 1CatEye

      So far, he has a perfect record of failure. Everything he wants, he doesn’t get. Oh, unless he issues another lawless, unconstitutional EO.

  • Pierre Pompideaux

    The “pivot” was not about turning our strategic gaze away from Europe and toward East Asia. It was about pivoting away from the Middle East. Don’t be a narcissist. We haven’t gazed at you in decades.

  • downtown21

    Well it’s refreshing to know that British conservatives are just as racist and unhinged as their American counterparts. I thought we had a monopoly on Obama Derangement Syndrome here in the States.

    • Summer Tyme

      The right falls back on racism – whenever they lose politically.
      It’s just what they do.
      Obama being elected President pretty much caused many of them to snap.

    • dogged

      Your Race Card is overdrawn and in any case has long since expired.
      Say something rational next time.

    • Tamalpais

      I guess that it is beyond your comprehension to realize that unfounded charges of racism where none exists is a form of racism. Grow up.

      • __Epimenides

        Yeah, racism is dead. We know that. Racists tell us that all the time.

        • 1CatEye

          No, victim-mongers have a vested interest in keeping the meme alive.
          No bigger racists than the left.

        • Michael Caldwell

          It’s racist to ignore his white parent.

          • NotHereEither

            Only Black lives matter…

          • Terra Viva

            And the one who raised him

        • Tamalpais

          Don’t change the subject. No one is claiming that racism is dead. A minuscule amount remains, but I’d venture to say that it is as much a problem in the black community as it is in the white community. Other than that, you can not rebut my comment that downtown21’s unfounded claim of racism is in and of itself, a racist and bigoted charge. Your comment is as mythical as your nom de guerre.

          • __Epimenides

            Go re-read some Orange Man speeches about immigrants, etc., and come back and tell me racism is “miniscule.”

          • Tamalpais

            You are still trying to change the subject.

    • 1CatEye

      Ah, yes, the worn-out, overused race card. Read the article twice, no mention of King Zero’s race anywhere.

      • Essex Class

        When you start to catalog the abysmal failures that are Obama; from the domestic scene, to the economic scene, to the foreign scene, to the world scene. His complete and utter failure by every measurement, metric and benchmark; It’s a good thing that there’s 52 racism cards in the deck to blame it on.

        • 1CatEye

          Yes, it couldn’t be incompetence or anything . . ..

  • TripleKidney

    Cameron invited Obama to give his opinion, and Obama gave it honestly. I can see why that might bug some people.

    • Johannessen

      being as he for a month chastised Republicans for bringing in Bibi to talk to congress, it’s very hypocritical of him to tell any other country how to do their business. The man believes everyone but him has one set of rules and he can do whatever he wants.

  • danram

    The best single thing that can be said about the Obama administration is that in nine more months it will be over. That’s the good news. The bad news is that a lot of damage can still be done in those nine months.

    Here in the US, there were millions of us who, back in 2008, knew from the get-go that this guy was completely full of s**t and that he’d be in way over his head as president. Unfortunately, there weren’t enough of us.

    • __Epimenides

      By all means, tell us about all the things that got worse!

      • 1CatEye

        How much time do you have? Start with the economy, move to jobs, transfer to foreign policy, then finally waltz on over to domestic policy. WE DON’T NEED NO STINKING CONSTITUTION!

        • __Epimenides

          Feel free to tell us how Citizens United is constitutional…..(crickets chirping). Economy, foreign policy, etc…..all are better than they were under the GOP, unless you prefer a stock market at 7000 and losing 500,000 jobs per month.

          • Tamalpais

            “Feel free to tell us how Citizens United is constitutional..”

            The Supreme Court in it’s infinite wisdom said that it is Constitutional, just like they did abortions.

          • dcard88

            So anything Obama does is NOT constitutional, and anything the supremes do is? got it

          • ptm

            THAT’S RIGHT! READ THE FUGGING CONSTITUTION! COMMUNIST PIG PUS!

          • Tamalpais

            I just answered the question. You are setting up a bogus straw man situation. But since you mentioned it, the one thing that Obama will do that is Constitutional in the foreseeable future is move out of the White House on 1/20/2017.

          • neoritter

            Supreme Court ruled it as so. Wanted to write a brief on why it’s not? I’m sure it’ll be taken as truth over the SCOTUS. Careful though, if you invalidate the SCOTUS on this case, you could be invalidating them on other cases, like say the gay marriage one.

          • NotHereEither

            Obama was elected to get us out of Iraq and Afghanistan, instead got us arse-deep in Syria, with no balls to back up a “Red line”. Then there is the junior varsity team ISIS. Secrete kill list of Americans, NSA shoved up our arses, etc, etc.

          • ptm

            We don’t have to – THE SUPREMES SAID SO!

          • 1CatEye

            The Supremes already told you how Citizens was Constitutional. But since you’re a prog, you’re probably too busy looking for safe space or your binkie to understand.

        • dcard88

          Economy is doing just fine – check
          More jobs than ever before – check

          The Shrub’s (cheney) foreign policy gaffs cleaned up – check
          Domestic policy – best by far its ever been

          Questions? Oh wait. I forgot, since youre a con, you aren’t looking for answers

          • 1CatEye

            Nope, already got ’em all.

          • RB’s

            Economy propped up by fake electronic money? Check.

            Lowest labor-market participation rate in 40-plus years? Check.

            New wars in Libya, Yemen, Pakistan and now, Syria? Check.

            Ten trillion dollars in “unpatriotic” debt doubled to $20 trillion? Check.

            Leaders the world over laughing at Barry the Boy Blunder’s abject cluelessness? Priceless!

            Republicans are the adults you call in after the DemoKKKrats have made yet another mess. For everything else, there’s Blunder Boy™, the Romper Room Reject in Chief.

          • Cletus B Neckbeard

            Fake money, like fake presidents, are just as good as the real thing, right?

          • RB’s

            Image over Substance Forever! Obamahu akhbar!

          • Cletus B Neckbeard

            dcard88 locked in a closet for the last seven years and trolling – check.

      • manickernel

        IKR? Wall Street and the Financial sector is doing great! Unemployment has dropped almost by half! Of course, many stopped looking for work and those that have it are flipping burgers. And then the income gap has increased tremendously and the number in poverty has increased. Health care is a mess. Our foreign policy is in shambles. Last but not least, the President that would end racism has created the most polarized population we have seen in decades. Oh, it is Bush’s fault.

        • __Epimenides

          I know, I know…we’re still trying to dig our way out of the disaster that ensued the last time we had GOP rule. But it’s much better now, whether you want to believe it or not. I think most of the messes (health care, foreign policy unemployment, racism) you refer to are all in your head. Every single item you ticked off is better now than it was under the Republicans. every one.

          • neoritter

            Another major insurance carrier just pulled out of the health exchange markets with others indicating that they’re not able to maintain their prices on the current market. If you look at every article dealing with raising the min. wage to 15$ you see that they note that low end min. wage jobs have been the bulk of new employment the past few years, and many have retired early or left the job market. From just those two aspects, it seems you may have your head in the sand these days.

          • __Epimenides

            I don’t know how the nation can survive the loss of one health insurer choosing not to participate. Surely the sky is falling. Wanna bet they come right back after Clinton takes office? I guess low paying jobs are preferable to losing 500,000 jobs a month. But if you prefer the job losses we had under the GOP rule, you must be a Trump U. graduate.

          • Prokop Krasny

            Go and have an intercouse with sheep instead, that’s where the name is from anyway.

          • __Epimenides

            Ah, Vladimir the Troll is back! Sex-obsessed and dumb as ever.

          • neoritter

            You really don’t get it do you? The whole premise of the exchanges was that people would be able to pick and choose from multiple different insurers, helping to keep health costs related to those policies down. With the most recent withdrawal, there are not health insurance carriers that have monopolies on the exchanges. That is something not conducive to lower costs. That’s just the obvious surface problem, the underlying issue why the insurer had to pull out is another problem as well.

            The problem with a bunch of low paying part-time jobs making the brunt of the employment gains is that furthers wealth inequality. If the government was serious about solving the employment issues in this country they’d help create or incentivize higher paying careers. A job at McDonalds or Starbucks is not a career. It’s supposed to be a temporary situation.

            Are you really this dense? I shouldn’t expect much here, you haven’t replied with anything other than snark and what boils down to “nuh uh.”

          • dcard88

            You are truly clueless. Please don’t ever think you know something. You will end up better off.

          • ptm

            RACIST PIG PUS!

          • Querent

            With that comment, you reveal the quality of your mind.

          • ptm

            It’s the “quality” of 88’s mind! MAYBE yours as well!

          • neoritter

            lmao, okay genius. Let’s try something substantive for your next comment.

          • dcard88

            The deficit is down over2/3’s, and there are over 13 million MORE jobs than under the shrub. Better?

          • neoritter

            Slightly. Most of those jobs are low paying and/or part time. Economic growth has been a measly 2% barely good enough to keep up with increasing needs of a population for stable jobs. As for our reduction in the deficit recently. That’s nice, but our debt is still growing. Just at a lower rate.

          • dcard88

            There is no evidence ANYWHERE to back up the part time low wage job bs. Same percent of part time as under Raygun, and we are keeping up with the jobs. The issue now is the higher paying jobs that were shipped overseas and the lack of education for the available new jobs in the USA. No one needs a coal miner or drilling rig operator.

          • Zaba

            No one needs a coal miner or drilling rig operator.
            Yes
            thanks to barrack hussein killing those industries

            He’s in it to make America nothing.

          • RB’s

            So! Doubling the national debt to $20 trillion from the $10 trillion “pResident” Downgrade “inherited” must be twice as nice, eh?

            Better look down. Your hypocritical ignorance is showing.

          • 1CatEye

            Or in a far darker, smellier place.

          • Zaba

            obama is a muzlim promoting islam.
            Much, much worse.

        • Essex Class

          Obama advocates are especially fond of the fact, that due to Obamacare, part-time workers are now considered full time. That health insurance premiums have gone up more than 50%, with more losing the coverage they had than gained it, with astronomical premiums and prohibitive out of pocket deductibles, and tax form complication, all for plans that are inferior to what was lost.

          Remember when Obama smugly and dismissively promised a $2500 annual reduction in cost?? And how he made the rounds, self-righteously scolding anyone who called attention to the obvious?? Any opposition was racist then, and not much has changed; except maybe now the truth is out.

          Now we know, the opponents were correct, and all those nasty ‘unintended consequences’, which were really intended, have created a part time work reality for millions, and health insurance that is inferior to what they had, now costing at least 50% more with astronomical out of the pocket deductibles, and, yes, millions lost their doctors too.

      • BorisBadinov

        Lowest labor participation rate in over 30 years
        Highest poverty rate in decades
        Average family income down over $5,000 during his reign
        Highest percentage of Americans receiving government assistance ever
        Most angry division of Americans since the War Between The States
        Highest distrust of government due to blatant corruption
        And that’s just the domestic side of the coin.

        • Mary Ann

          Umm, you seem to have forgotten about the recession, I suppose you are going to blame Obama for that as well. He wasn’t in charge when everything went wrong, but never let a few facts get in the way.

      • Zaba

        islam is about the worst you can get

  • Essex Class

    Obama’s cringe-worthy arrogance blinds him to the fact that his advocacy will have the opposite effect. He is seen for the liar and shameful panderer he is, but he don’t get it. The Brits will decide for themselves if they want to continue in the economic suicide pact that is the EU. Obama advocating on the side of remaining in the EU, will just force those on the fence to support Brexit. Maybe Obama should smugly and self-righteously declare to the Brits, “You want to keep your sovereignty, you can keep your sovereignty. Period!” Yeah, maybe he should try that one.

  • manickernel

    Wow, you guys are finally figuring out what we realized about 5 years ago. Just be thankful you have not had to endure them for 8 years.

  • Prokop Krasny

    Hussein Obama, giving morons a bad name since 2008.

    • __Epimenides

      One of those Putin-loving Republicans, aren’t you?

      • Prokop Krasny

        One of the liberal idiots, aren’t you? Actually, based on your handle, you are most likely trolling for Hussein and being paid for it.

        • dcard88

          Go away troll boy

          • Prokop Krasny

            Working in teams nowadays? You and that sheep molester?

          • __Epimenides

            Not to worry, Vladimir, the Scary Black Guy will be gone in a year. In the meantime, you can start practicing: “Madam President.”

          • skywalkr2

            Invoked racism and therefore lost any credibility.

          • Querent

            I’m sure you would like living in a world where mentioning racism impeached credibility. You would be much more comfortable there than in the real world.

          • ptm

            The INCOMPETENT RACIST will be gone MUCH SOONER!

          • Zaba

            unfortunately, he won’t be gone gone.

          • ptm

            We can hope that MOOCHelle’s dream comes true and they move “Warm South on a beach – in KUBA!”.

          • dcard88

            lol I’m going to guess that is not the first time you’ve said that.

          • ptm

            Hey COMMUNIST – FIRST TIME! But we already KNOW you FLUNKED your mind reading class!

          • dcard88

            I need help to squash you? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha

          • ptm

            Your mommy will be right with you, she’ll change your filthy diaper!

          • RB’s

            You first.

        • 1CatEye

          What a hideous life.

    • dcard88

      How could anyone with an IQ approaching genius give YOU a bad name?

      • Prokop Krasny

        Hahaha, is it your own line or is it from the PR shop manual, troll?

        • Querent

          Calling him a troll is simply irrelevant.

          • dcard88

            correctamundo

      • ptm

        So now AFFIRMATIVE ACTION IDIOTS are geniuses – on a CURVE resembling ZERO!

        • dcard88

          NO. Now you need to get ready for bed. Don’t forget to ask the sky fairy to keep you save from the evil Obama

          • Zaba

            the sky fairy

            allah

          • dcard88

            Allah sux as many donkey c0cks as the rest of those imaginary friends people worship. lol

          • ptm

            Someone who’s looking out for YOUR best interest – GET OFF THE HEROIN!

      • 1CatEye

        So smart, we still haven’t seen his grades. Not even from grade school. He couldn’t have been a complete failure that far back, could he?

        • dcard88

          His grades from Harvard are know by anyone who wants to know what they were. Straight A’s , while editing AND President of the presigious Harvard Law Review.

          • Zaba

            now we know you’re making it up as you go……

          • Mary Ann

            I don’t think so.

          • 1CatEye

            His grades are known to none, since his records are sealed. Strangely, nobody remembers him at Harvard, and he published NOTHING as editor of the Law Review. Another miserable failure for the affirmative action president.

          • Mary Ann

            If he is such a non person how come he got himself elected to the top job?

      • Zaba

        and….one for the ummah!

    • Zaba

      but….his work is ‘pleasing in the eyes of allah’.

  • Prokop Krasny

    Hussein’s endorsement is the kiss of death.

  • SandMan00

    Excellent assessment, with one caveat. I believe that Obama would in fact allow citizens of poorer neighbouring states to have full rights to live and work in the U.S. and let foreign courts change U.S. laws.

    Obama clearly doesn’t care much for the U.K., and he appears to only be slightly less disdainful of the U.S. He sees both nations as parts of a singular, imperialistic whole in need of some comeuppance.

    That Obama himself is president of one of those nations likely doesn’t factor into his overarching plan to uplift the downtrodden nations of the world at the expense of the supposed oppressors, other than to wield the powers at his disposal to further that cause.

    • Querent

      Yes, and I’m sure you think Obama is a Reptilian alien, too. Your opinions say more about you than him.

      • Zaba

        Obama is a Reptilian alien
        worse
        muzlim

  • neoritter

    I can’t help but reflect on the conflicting thoughts within me. Routinely, European (many times British) politicians and people love to comment on American politics. Also routinely, they complain about America’s world police mentality. Yet here we have an article that complains about Americans now interfering in British/European politics (also conflicting against the gripes that Americans don’t care about European politics or news), and also about America withdrawing from the world police role.

    On the other hand, I’m no fan of Obama, and just as I find the reversal of the above schadenfreude-esque, I can’t help but be amused by the reversal of a once enthusiastically liked President.

    I’m not sure I can endorse both views and not be chastised for trying to have my cake and eat it too. But needless to say, I can’t but find the whole situation karmic in some way.

  • dcard88

    I am happy to stake – not only my money, but my life – on the FACT that anyone who thinks of Obama as arrogant is a SOLID racist.

    I should feel sorry for racist, but they wear their willful ignorance with pride.

    • Prokop Krasny

      And you are a troll, doing PR for Hussein Obama and democrapic party. You are paid to post bullshit just like the above.

      • dcard88

        I can’t see well enough or type fast enough. I would starve.

      • Querent

        Even you don’t believe that. Paid to post? Seriously? Well, at least you don’t try to hide your lack of comprehension. Kudos for that.

        • Zaba

          Paid to post is a fact.

          • dcard88

            And more than 90% are Republitards

          • Zaba

            pragmatists

          • Querent

            No, it’s a delusion.

          • Zaba

            Tis a fact i learned about on these very threads…..

          • Querent

            That statement might be credible if anyone were willing to believe it’s possible for you to learn.

          • Zaba

            Well, that covers it, eh?

        • Mary Ann

          Brexiters are paid to post by leave eu, £16k

    • NotHereEither

      A skinhead calling others racist, now that’s rich.

      • Caspar

        Lol

        • dcard88

          skin head? My lack of hair indicates my politics? You do realize that more than 1/3 of caucasian men go bald, right? That would be over 30 years ago for me.

    • ptm

      Are you still writing from that Rehab Facility treating you with your HEROIN ISSUES!?

    • BEGRUNT

      The only way you can defend this DOLT is pull the race card? I pity you as I would pity the village idiot!

      • 1CatEye

        He IS the village idiot. Him and Simpertyme.

      • dcard88

        I have nothing to defend him from. He’s easily the best POTUS we’ve ever had.

        • Zaba

          He’s easily the best muzlim POTUS we’ve ever had.

    • RB’s

      But That One is an arrogant racist — one who hates his own white half above all. You are a fool if you cannot see the man’s manifest seething contempt for everyone who is Not His Excellency.

      Race Card FAIL, @troll.

      • Cletus B Neckbeard

        Must be pay day…

      • dcard88

        I’m sure you have lots of evidence he is arrogant that you just won’t show me becuase youre saving it to send to the authorities or someone who cares.

        • Zaba

          ‘the future does not belong to those who insult the profit of islam’

          Seriously?
          For a pedo?

          • Querent

            You just get crazier and crazier.

          • Zaba

            not familiar with mohmmad’s ‘special attributes’, eh?

          • dcard88

            Huh? Are you suggesting Obama is an Islam worshipper? lol evidence please.
            You religious nuts are all the same to me.

          • Zaba

            Obama is an Islam worshipper

            7 plus years observing