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What makes the white working class angry? Twits like Hsiao-Hung Pai

19 March 2016

9:00 AM

19 March 2016

9:00 AM

This is a quite remarkable book. Badly written, devoid of anything even vaguely approaching a methodology, patronising, hideously mistaken on almost every page — and yet it does, inadvertently, answer the very question posed in its introduction: why are certain sections of the white working class so angry about immigration and Islam?

The author is a Taiwanese journalist from the metropolitan liberal left. Her MO is to venture — ‘bravely’, we are informed — into quite the most ghastly areas where working-class people live in their decrepit social housing, with their beer and their tracksuits. Her purpose is to find ‘racists’ and inquire as to why they are ‘racist’. And yet she is utterly incurious and dismissive about their explanations. She believes that they have anti-immigration views because they have been fed a diet of nasty racist propaganda by the mainstream media — the right-wing press (which means for Hsiao-Hung Pai, pretty much every daily newspaper except maybe the Guardian, on a good day). Nothing any of these beastly low-brow people tell her can shake that perspective: they are simply quite wrong about everything, and that’s that. As far as her own theories are concerned, she is limitlessly credulous, to a degree which makes me suspect that she is a cast-iron idiot.

So, for example, she heads to the frowsy estates in Luton to confront members of the English Defence League. The EDL is unique in being the only political movement drawn from the nation’s football grounds and having consisted, in its early days, almost entirely of hooligans. But it has some purchase in Luton, the town where it began. Pai speaks to people called stuff like ‘Darren’ and condescends to them. She finds any antipathy in Luton towards immigrants, and especially Muslim immigrants, utterly mystifying. She dismisses out of hand the statements of those white folk living there that they feel like strangers in their own land. But Luton is still 68 per cent white! she exclaims. (It isn’t: according to the 2011 census, it’s 54 per cent white.)


She is mystified, too, at the anger shown towards Muslim groups which held demonstrations at which the Union flag was set on fire and returning British soldiers were told that they would ‘burn in hell’. She does not even mention that roughly once a week Luton is in the news because a family of jihadis has been arrested. Indeed, so credulous is this woman that, reading her interview with the incendiary Muslim hate-monger Anjem Choudary, you’d think him absolutely charming, twinkly-eyed and lovable, and not a bit like the horrible papers say he is.

This is the man who organised those Luton demos, is accused of supporting the Islamic State, praised the 9/11 bombings, believes in death to apostates and so on. ‘As Muslims, we reject democracy, we reject secularism and freedom and human rights. We reject all of the things that you espouse as being ideals,’ he once said. But for Pai, he’s like a cuddly old uncle. And absolutely none of this constitutes possible reasons for local disquiet. The Lutonians are simply mistaken, gulled by the fascist press.

When people tell her that they are proud of their English heritage, or of their Britishness, she sneers at them (as she admits, while interviewing a chap called ‘Viking’ in Reading). She lacks even the slenderest vestige of empathy for the people she speaks to, finding them pitiable, pathetic and loathsome — and of course wrong, on every single count.

But you cannot write a serious book about why a tiny minority of the white working class is drawn to extremist organisations such as the EDL and Britain First (and indeed Ukip — all one and the same to Pai) if your mind is so resolutely closed. And so, as I mentioned in my first paragraph, this is how she inadvertently does provide a kind of answer. The rage felt within many white working-class communities is occasioned primarily by bone-headed, arrogant, absolutist liberals who insist to them — contrary to the evidence — that their fears are utterly baseless and should not be taken seriously.

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  • John Andrews

    I can’t see that ad for the book below Rod’s article adding much to the author’s sales figures.

    • King Zog

      It’s ironic advertising.

  • Patrick

    I will wait a bit and see if I can download a torrent of it (not prepared to pay for it, but will read for the laughs, and it should help reinforce why I hate people like her )

    • FMA

      You hardly need a torrent for an epub which isn’t going to be much bigger than 5mb…. 😀 😀

  • Patrick

    Downloaded from Amazon Tommy Robinson’s book (one of the few books I have paid for) it explains exactly why the white working class, especially in Luton, are so angry.

    • Rbeastlondon

      It is not just the White Working class but British people from all social strata who are totally pissed off. Trump’s demographic support is also much broader than most of the Liberal media dares to acknowledge.

      • Joe Long

        Very true, valuable point.

  • Damaris Tighe

    Wonderful – if infuriating – example on Radio 4 News this morning. The news reader reports that an archaelogical dig has found an ancient community here with links to Europe – ‘so they were migrants’ he tells us with a note of triumph in his voice at the end of the report.

    This piece of ‘news’ is a bit like telling us that the sun rises every morning. We’ve known for several hundred years that there have been migrations from Europe to Britain, some of them violent. So why is this latest find newsworthy? I can only think it was included in the headlines because a BBC editor wanted to make a political point out of a very unexceptional piece of archaeological news.

    Talk about having pro-migrationism rammed down our throats by people with their own prejudices like Ms Pai. People totally devoid of empathy for those who have to suffer for their stupid, ignorant, half-baked theories – the native working class.

    • Damaris Tighe

      PS: I’m noticing how much BBC ‘history’ recently pushes the ‘migration has always been with us’ line. A few weeks’ ago – in the midst of the migrant crisis – I tuned in with anticipation to listen to a series about the Roman Imperial Way from Europe to what is now Turkey. What I got was non-stop propaganda about the ‘migrants’ who used the road.

      • vieuxceps2

        Just so. Check Mary Beard and her books on the Romans. It seems that they too were all immigrants. Can’t think why she calls anybody Roman. Orwell had it right long ago when he assessed the English intellectual as the only ones on the planet who actually hated their own country.

        • The_greyhound

          Mary Beard is a second rate FE lecturer who only got the job as a token female. And you can hardly get more token than that.

          • Miss Floribunda Rose

            I wasn’t aware she was female.

          • ArchiePonsonby

            Her accent ticks the appropriate box as well!

        • James Chilton

          There’s a name for the aversion to hearth and home: it’s oikophobia.

        • FMA

          Correct. The Romans weren’t immigrants – they were invaders.

          • vieuxceps2

            Beard’s books are about the Romans in Rome. They didn’t invade Rome. They lived there.

          • FMA

            They bloody well invaded Britain, you senile old goat.

          • vieuxceps2

            You don’t add much to the debate,do you? First you fail to recognise the point and when corrected,you add ill-bred insults to your already stupid comment. Maybe you should go to educational remedial classes?

      • FrankS2

        Yes that “we’re a nation of immigrants” line that they like to push applies equally to every nation and society on earth – after all, none of them sprang fully formed from the soil.

        • Damaris Tighe

          Indeed. But it applies less to the people of the British Isles than to many others. DNA research has shown that the majority are descended from incomers after the last Ice Age. As they were the ‘first’ after the ice retreated, they can be truly called aboriginal. Subsequent migrations and invasions were found to have had a smaller impact on the demographic than previously assumed. The UN has a lot to say about the rights of the indigenous, but that doesn’t seem to apply to the British.

          • James Chilton

            British history is “revised” continuously by the new philosophers who cast all narratives in doubt. For example, Florence Nightingale wasn’t the woman who transformed nursing in the military by establishing standards of hygiene etc. We’re now supposed to believe that Mary Seacole, a mixed race woman born in Jamaica, did the pioneering work but never got credit for it.

          • UKSteve

            I remember years ago being told by some Leftist poltroon that Christian Barnard wasn’t the first surgeon to perform a successful heart transplant, and that it was a black surgeon.

            I assume they meant S. African. Either way, with the maturity of the internet, I can’t find a single reference.

            I realise that history is often written by the victors, but much of this is deeply sinister, like the move by the German MEPs in the EU parliament in 2006 to have history changed to reflect that WWII was caused by Nazis, not Germans.

          • Hybird

            I remember a black activist telling me that blacks had been in Britain for thousands of years and this was proved by the fact that a black man was mentioned in the ancient Welsh stories known as the Mabinogion. I asked her if she’d read the Mabinogion and she admitted she hadn’t and someone had told her about it. I had read it – so I informed her that her black man was actually a one-legged monster with one-eye set in the middle of his forehead. She wasn’t best pleased.
            Then there’s the Roman Emperor Septimus Severus. They love to pretend that because he was born in Africa he was black. In truth he was the son of a Carthaginian father and a Roman mother – and neither of these peoples were black. I’ve even heard this arrant nonsense spouted on bloody “Countryfile”!

          • Damaris Tighe

            Is it surprising that idiots hold these misconceptions when films and tv historical dramas people Britain with BMEs long before they came to these shores in serious numbers? And in their dialogues leave what would have been a very unusual presence completely unremarked on by other characters?

          • lms2

            You mean like the black Vikings on Dr.Who, or that around a third of the crowd on another episode of the same show were BAME? Or how so many of the East Enders on BBC’s “Dickens” were from the same ethnic group? My only question would be, if what the BBC (and other channels) are trying to portray is true, and there were significant numbers of BAME here in England (and presumably Scandinavia) for so many centuries, where did they all go? I mean, seeing a non-white face in England before 1945 was not unheard of, but was pretty rare. So where did they all go between the Dickensian era and 1945?

          • Damaris Tighe

            Or the Asian industrialist (with an English name, lol) in Little Dorrit – not completely impossible in Victorian times but would have been very usual. Completely un-remarked on by the other characters, as if it were normal.

          • Andrew Cole

            Whilst the Black activist is more than likely wrong on most of her assumptions, there is no doubting the fact that the earliest found remains of Europeans show that they still had very very dark skin.

          • Hybird

            But evolution winkled them out. Dark skins don’t like Northern European levels of sunlight.

          • Mr B J Mann

            That’s becsused they had been buried in peat bogs”

          • Mr B J Mann

            Bleedin not so smart phones?!?!?!?!

            B_E_C_A_U_S_E_ _ !

          • Andrew Cole

            I assume that is your wit, otherwise do some research. They do it by DNA testing of remains and they aren’t always found in peat bogs.

          • Mr B J Mann

            I assume that is your lack of wit,.

            Do some research.

            They can’t do shades of skin colour by DNA testing.

            They can’t even do accurate skin colour based on ancestral markers in DNA.

            So there’s no way they can tell a bog body’s original colour from the DNA of remains, never mind shade of it, even if they aren’t always found in peat bogs.

          • Andrew Cole

            Your lack of knowledge is laughable. They can use DNA to see skin colours. Just as they can use DNA to determine eye colour and also to see that Aborigines from Australia have DNA from a Neanderthol Species that they have not found in other humans in the rest of the world.

            This is how they know (or assume as you will have it) that Europeans developed white skin relatively recently.

            Whether you believe it or not (or don’t want to believe) Europeans were still dark skinned until very recently in human history and it is DNA that gives that information:

            http://eurogenes.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/mesolithic-genome-from-spain-reveals.html

          • Mr B J Mann

            If you bothered to follow the link to the article in Nature, and checked out the Editor’s Summary of this “latest” piece of new research (ie the ONLY paper claiming this) you’ll see it says:

            Editor’s summary

            The emergence of agriculture is thought to have caused many of the evolutionary changes in human physiology evident in the fossil record.

            Precisely which changes it is hard to say in the absence of a baseline — a record of human physiology just before the advent of farming. We may now have that in the form of a genome of a Mesolithic hunter-gatherer from Spain, described by Carles Lalueza-Fox and colleagues this week. The genes of this male, who lived around 7,000 years ago, had more in common with ancient genomes from Siberia than with other Europeans, suggesting a wide if thinly spread genetic continuity across Eurasia. He would have been lactose intolerant and less able to digest starchy foods than Neolithic farming people, suggesting that these changes came in with agriculture. He would also have had the unusual combination of dark skin and blue eyes, suggesting that in Mesolithic times, the transition to a lighter, more modern European skin tone was incomplete and that changes in eye colour came first.

            My emphasis.

            And the Abstract says:

            Ancient genomic sequences have started to reveal the origin and the demographic impact of farmers from the Neolithic period spreading into Europe1, 2, 3. The adoption of farming, stock breeding and sedentary societies during the Neolithic may have resulted in adaptive changes in genes associated with immunity and diet4. However, the limited data available from earlier hunter-gatherers preclude an understanding of the selective processes associated with this crucial transition to agriculture in recent human evolution. Here we sequence an approximately 7,000-year-old Mesolithic skeleton discovered at the La Braña-Arintero site in León, Spain, to retrieve a complete pre-agricultural European human genome. Analysis of this genome in the context of other ancient samples suggests the existence of a common ancient genomic signature across western and central Eurasia from the Upper Paleolithic to the Mesolithic. The La Braña individual carries ancestral alleles in several skin pigmentation genes, suggesting that the light skin of modern Europeans was not yet ubiquitous in Mesolithic times. Moreover, we provide evidence that a significant number of derived, putatively adaptive variants associated with pathogen resistance in modern Europeans were already present in this hunter-gatherer.

            Oh, and it’s not even a paper, never mind a peer reviewed one:

            It’s only a letter!

            And here’s some extracts from an article in the Scientific American from the same time:

            Manfred Kayser

            TITLE Professor of forensic molecular biology

            LOCATION Erasmus University Rotterdam, the Netherlands

            We have heard about DNA being used as evidence in court. What else can genetics do for forensics?

            Are there physical traits you can recover more reliably?

            The accuracy for human eye and hair color is much higher
            at 0.9, and chronological age—based on T cell receptors—is the same.
            But everything else we’ve looked at is actually much lower than our
            height accuracy.

            What other attributes might be predictable from genetic material?

            Skin color is almost certainly next. You can do this now to some degree, mostly by working with ancestry markers

            Artist Heather Dewey-Hagborg recently made 3-D portraits from DNA she found. Is it possible to make such portraits accurately?

            I do believe it’s possible in the long term. What I didn’t like about her work is that it mixed things that are possible—hair and eye color—with things we can’t predict yet, like facial shape, and things we can’t predict for certain, like skin color.

            http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-does-our-dna-say-about-how-we-look/

          • Andrew Cole

            I did read till the end. I have read lots on this and other remains found in Siberia and across Europe. I linked to an article because the report is hundreds of pages long and it is only on one discovery and its limited findings.

            No-one is suggesting that this ancient European was black as in what we would call black today. Equally no-one suggests that the ancient humans before they left Africa were black as they are today. Indeed when they talk of dark skinned they are more likely talking about a complexion similar to a southern Indian rather than a negroid complexion.

            I have no idea why you suddenly found an interest in a single comment I made but if you read the literature on this particular case there are disagreements all over the place and multiple sources for more disagreements. That is science for you. The key element though is that while there were 3 alleles present that are linked to pigment lightening there was one of 2 key elements found in nearly all of what we would these days describe as fair skinned missing.

            You could also research a bit and discover that there is huge disagreement where the blue eyed gene and the fair skinned gene came from with my interpretation of what I have read being that the blue eyed gene coming from the Siberian hunter gatherers and the fair pigment genes coming from the Levant Farmers through the Danube corridor.

            When they talk of fair skin they are not talking of what we see these days. The Orkneys, Danes, Finnish and Siberians have higher frequencies of Alleles than that of the French or Germans yet most would think that Scandanavians and Siberians were fairer skinned.

            What could be fact is that the Humans that entered Europe from Siberia were darker skinned and blue eyed. Have you not considered that?

          • Mr B J Mann

            I have no idea why YOU suddenly found an interest in a single comment *I* made.

            Especially as it was simply a joke:

            Andrew Cole. -> Mr B J Mann
            17 hours ago
            “I assume that is your wit, otherwise do some research. They do it by DNA testing of remains and they aren’t always found in peat bogs.”

            Is it coz I is black?!

          • edlancey

            it’s like saying St Augustine was black before he was born in North Africa. They’re just morons.

          • edlancey

            The guy was just a PC moron. He saw the transplant took place in South Africa and assumed it was a black that did it – I’m sure they’ve did plenty of heart extractions there, not so many of the putting in them back successfully.

          • Mr B J Mann

            Typical dumbed down “education”!

            Apparently Seacole was, at best, a bar owner who did a bit of hospital visiting (at worst she ran a bordello where she also looked after some of the walking wounded).

            Nightingale, as well as doing the rounds with a lamp nursing the wounded, “only” recorded and analysed the causes of death in campaign hospitals, establishing it was infection, not the wounds themselves, and disease, which were the killers, developed the pie chart to graphically present her findings, fought to get the importance of hygiene and disease contol recognised, and developed the foundations of nursing training and set up the first nursing school.

            So she was not “only” a statistics pioneer, but a founder of epidemiology, and the founder of modern clinical nursing and of the first modern nursing school!

      • Joe Long

        It’s positively sinister, I watched a BBC prog on archaeology earlier in the week, Anglo-Saxon grave site. Weapon related artefacts in one grave they were examining, shield boss, spear head, sword hilt, seax blade – something along these lines. There was also a cup of apparently British design and from that that alone it was concluded that the AngloSaxon warrior interred therein must have been a cuddly assimilationist and member of a “British” aristocracy.

        A completely grotesque travesty, the narrative bent double to serve the BBC’s agenda

        • Damaris Tighe

          They’re using totally anachronistic terminology to describe what was going on in ancient societies.

          • Joe Long

            The way I would put it is that they are lying through their teeth. The big swords only meant one thing – complete domination. The historian HAL Fisher noted that the fate of the British population was slavery, the AS were avid slavers as were the Vikings so what was being peddled was a variation on the old “peaceful traders” line. At best the indigenous Britons had second class status as shown by the Laws of Ine of Wessex, where the “wergild”, the blood-price” of Britons was set at a lower level than the Saxons – a form of apartheid.

            And yet this idiot programme presented the Dark Ages as some nascent multi-culti paradise of diversity. The name Saxon derives from “seax”, hence “men of the knife” – not very cuddly on the face of it.

            We seem to re-living this dark era – there are plenty of Vortigern style Quislings around, the country abounds in them

          • Damaris Tighe

            Exactly.

          • Paul

            Just can’t bear the way TV history and popular history magazines try to draw ridiculous parallels with the past and pretend all past societies were proto versions of our ‘liberal’ politically correct society of today.

          • Neil Saunders

            Except that the Anglo-Saxons WERE the English, and the Britons the Welsh (which is why the Welsh name for England is Lloegr, literally “the Lost Land).

          • Joe Long

            That was true of course – “Englisc” I think.

            But surely we don’t want to go through a Dark Age re-run in the hope that several hundreds years latter things will have settled down and we get a society relatively at ease with itself; which on the basis of current immigration trends, demographics and cultural incompatibilities looks a pretty long shot in any case.

          • Ron Todd

            Got to love archaeologists given them a broken pot and they can recreate a whole ancient culture.

      • grimm

        People worry about BBC News & Current affairs being biased but the truth is that so much television programming looks like a patronising attempt by enlightened intellectuals to educate us ignorant plebs out of our atavistic prejudices.

        Program after progams will push the same agenda with subtle lessons in developing the “correct” attitude to gays, muslims, feminists etc.

        • Damaris Tighe

          Not always subtle. ‘Cuffs’ was so bad that it was cancelled after the first series.

        • Shazza

          I read a question the other day which just about sums the situation up – Did you get it on the internet/news or did you get it from the BBC?

        • Lo Bin Sun

          Mary Beard.

      • Strangely, the history we will hear nothing about, is how Mohammed came to power in Arabia. We won’t hear about the 1300 years of the Muslim slave trade in black Africans. Nor about the centuries of Muslims taking white European slaves – we won’t hear about those Islamic slavers having been on raids in Ireland and Cornwall, nor about them coming up the Thames. Those early Islamic visitors to the British Isles are to be ignored. Perish the thought that people learn anything about Muslims wiping out the religion of Buddhism, in their invasion into its homeland of India.

        One cannot even look at the Contents of the most authoritative Muslim biography of Muhammed (Guillaume’s scholarly translation of Ibn Ishaq) without realising that immigration, plunder, assassination and genocide were fundamental to the rise of Islam.

        No. The population must be fed a diet of anodyne multiculturalist lies.

        • Damaris Tighe

          Trying to find information about the near-wipeout of Buddhism in India and of Buddhism and Hinduism in what is now Malaysia and Indonesia, is like looking for a needle in a haystack.

          • Mr B J Mann

            Apparently only half of Afghanistan was Buddhist: the other half was Christian!

          • nuff said

            I was trying to find how the ROP wiped out all the indigenous religions in England, and across southern Africa,,,, i couldn’t find any either!!!

          • See Buddhist expert Edward Conze’s “Short History of Buddhism”. You can find it on Amazon for as little as a penny. I can’t think of another book which records that Islam wiped out Buddhism in its native land.

          • Damaris Tighe

            Many thanks.

      • Neil Saunders

        You’re mistaken about the scale of the Anglo-Saxon settlement of Britain, which was vast. The theory that the Anglo-Saxons were simply a small ruling elite governing a subject population of Britons who improbably abandoned all traces of their language and culture – framed on an incorrect analogy with the later Normans – is a piece of politically correct revisionism designed to rob the indigenous English of their territorial claim by confusing their identity. The English were dominant in numbers, language and culture in the country that bears their name for over 1500 years.

        One of the best sources with which to rebut the “passing pageant” model of British history (whose purpose is to present waves of immigration as a constant and large-scale rather than an intermittent and limited phenomenon) is Eva M. Hubback’s “The Population of Britain”, published as a Pelican paperback in 1948, just before the Labour administration’s Nationality Act ushered in the current, historically anomalous wave of immigration on a scale and at a pace without precedent since the arrival of the English themselves after the Fifth Century AD (at a time long before the Westphalian concept of the nation-state).

        • Damaris Tighe

          Thanks for this reference which I’ll follow up. My own source is Professor Stephen Oppenheimer’s 2006 book, The Origins of the British.

          • Neil Saunders

            That’s a terrible book, full of junk scholarship. I’m no creationist (quite the opposite, I’m a convinced Neo-Darwinist), but there’s an awful lot of drivel written about DNA.

          • Neil Saunders

            Here’s Geoffrey Sampson on the origins of the English language and the theories of Oppenheimer:

            http://www.grsampson.net/QBirthOfEng.html

            http://www.grsampson.net/qoppenheimer.html

          • Damaris Tighe

            Only a small part of Oppenheimer’s over 600 page book is devoted to his controversial suggestions about language. The rest collates and summarises DNA research papers.

          • Neil Saunders

            Yes. It’s twaddle that flies in the face of everything known about English language, culture and history. Also, Oppenheimer is a paediatrician, not a geneticist (and even the real experts in the field can and do hold controversial opinions).

            One classic example of the abuse of DNA evidence occurs in the case of James Hanratty, hanged in 1962 for the A6 murder. The non-DNA evidence (including an alibi attested to by several witnesses whose testimony was not submitted at his trial) overwhelmingly exonerates him, but the police claim that the DNA evidence convicts him unequivocally. How very convenient.

    • Pip

      Those who believe that they are already ‘awake’ but still watch or listen to the BBC propaganda are not awake, merely awakening.

  • D J

    Heard her on Radio 4 recently. Fully agree with Rod.
    She needs to read Dark Albion…so should many others.
    Would she be horrified to hear that some Species readers go on Pegida strolls?

  • SunnyD

    Having lived in Luton for a while in the mid 90’s, and coming from a north west London suburb, I know for a fact why the white working class of Luton are “so angry”. This was years before a Taliban-friendly crowd booed Our Boys back from Afghanistan. On my first day there I was told in no uncertain terms that I was not to go out after dark “for fear of gangs of Asian males” (we used the term “Asian” as a byword for “Paki”). At the time, I was a guest of my friend Rakesh (of Indian/Hindu descent) before getting a place in the Signpost Hostel on Dunstable Road (right in Bury Park, next to the Mosque) and had picked up some Urdu and Punjabi from many of my London mates. I learned that “Gora” was the Paki’s derogatory term for a white man and on a walk past Kenilworth Road stadium, I was shocked to hear a group of youngling Asian kids sneer at me uttering “Gora!” Thankfully, I had learned a rebuke in Urdu which earned me a look of amazement and consternation from the young group but I have never ever forgotten how disgusted I felt about the topsy turvy way of life in that seemingly God forsaken town. And when I read about Tommy Robinson and articles like this, I am reminded of my experiences “back in the day” and where we are now and I despair for what may come in the not too distant future.
    Take it from me folks, there are pockets of white hating “Asian” folk in every town in England now…although I currently reside in Portsmouth and have yet to bear witness to anything similar in the 10 years I’ve been here, I am under no illusion that there is simmering resentment (resentment at what exactly?) just waiting for a spark to set it off and I for one will be ready and armed (without anger or prejudice) – I just hope that I don’t have to face down any of my friends when it happens.

    • Joe Long

      I recall a Tommy Robinson interview where he said that one of his female cousins had been groomed and jumped by half a dozen enrichers, that she had converted to the ROP, that she now wore the full bin liner rig and that her family had no contact with her at all.

      The pat liberal response – yes but what about Peter Ball or Jimmy Savile? – doesn’t exactly cut it as a convincing rejoinder

      • SunnyD

        what makes me laugh most about the Jimmy Savile reference is that the RoP is renown for selling child brides – – there was a recent piece n C4 “news” about a female rapper from Iran…

    • mohdanga

      The politicians and multiculti advocates can never provide a single explanation as to why this takeover by 3rd world ingrates is a good thing for the host population. That’s because there is none!! Yet the keep peddling this “diversity is our strength” nonsense, funnily enough not realizing that when the indigenous Brits are pushed out in favour of a monolithic ethnic group, it’s not really “diversity”, is it??

      • SunnyD

        perhaps to my shame, at the time I seemed to have been caught up in the enrichment of it all – but after falling on very hard times (which thankfully meant I had to extract myself from the education system – a mixed blessing I didn’t realise until now looking back), time spent on the streets, in prison, on drugs etc.. and now finding myself having overcome all that and scaling the “dizzy heights” of the 9-5 rat race I look back on those days and wonder why I didn’t see what was happening… perhaps it was my Harrovian upbringing (Harrow is unrecognisable now compared to the place I grew up in) and my laid back attitude….I’m ashamed to say at the time I even felt a slight hatred towards most of my compatriots, whom I saw at the time as intolerant a$$es… now I’m the “intolerant” one, but having found a new fire in my belly, I aint scared to say how I feel (much to the consternation of my aforementioned friends who still have me on their social media profiles) – we will see when the time comes and the home fires burn

        • Charles_Dilkes

          Harrow is a complete and utter dump nowadays – how that place has deteriorated massively. I’m from the South Harrow / SouthRuislip / Northolt area and the change is remarkable. Funny to think that once upon a time South Harrow was a nice family area and actually quite well-to-do; now it’s getting the same slum vibe as Southall.

          • SunnyD

            I’m from West Harrow, near Whitmore High – I remember once when I was young, driving through Southall my mum casually told me “if you woke up from a coma and found yourself here, you’d be forgiven for thinking you were in India” (ahhh, good old casual racism….those were the days!!!)
            – and she insisted Harrow was going the same way. My mum, in her infinite wisdom later told me that this was the main reason for choosing to put me through Catholic schooling – and to be fair, I appreciate her for doing so…

            On a more serious note though, I totally get what you’re saying – I pop by my old stomping ground roughly once a year and am used to seeing the relentless pace of change…. a few moments spent waiting for the 114 at Harrow Bus Station tells you all you need to know …

          • Charles_Dilkes

            All around there is horrible; Harrow town has really deteriated – gypsys on every corner playing the corner; full of foreigners, especially eastern migrants. Tellingly, all the brand shops have gone (Topman / River Island etc.) replaced with brandless no name tat, I thought that was quite reflective of the area.

            South Harrow is even worse. And unfortunately that same change is now happening to SouthRuislip.

          • grimm

            Have you been to the south London/Croydon area recently? As the old ghetto of Brixton has become gentrified Afro-Carribean culture with its “gangsta” ethos (and its loser sensitivity to being “disrespected”) has spread out into the suburbs.

          • Charles_Dilkes

            Don’t really know south London to be honest, but I hear as the middle class hipsters colonise zone 2 areas the grimness of those areas is spreading to zones 3-6. London is becoming such a dump.

          • Neil Saunders

            London – which was a beautiful city when I was growing up there in the 60s and 70s – is now already a complete dump.

            It’s a load of ugly skyscrapers surrounded by ghettoes.

            I would never go back, even if I could afford to.

          • mohdanga

            No, no, you’ve got it wrong! You’re being “enriched”!!

          • SunnyD

            South Ruislip – you mean by the Eastcote Arms? I have a mate on Holyrood Ave…

          • Charles_Dilkes

            I live right by there, near Eastcote Arms (pub is derelict now); all around there up towards South Harrow station and Rayners Lane is getting a bit of a slum vibe; it’s migrated a little bit towards South Ruislip now.

          • SunnyD

            Rayners Lane estate was always a slum vibe tbh – and the last time I drove past, the front of the pub was full of cars – I usually come from Roxeth Green Ave, take the left at the pub up towards Northolt Swimming Pool (which has also changed hands now I gather) en route to the Hayes Bypass/M4/M25/A3 route “home” to Pompey. Strangely, the journey back always seems to take quicker… Mind if I ask if you schooled in Harrow? I was at Salvatorian in Harrow Weald…

          • Charles_Dilkes

            And yes, Harrow bus station is quite a picture nowadays!

          • mohdanga

            Not sure why your mom’s comment would be “racist”. She’s stating a fact and her annoyance all at once. You can bet the multiculti, mass immigration plonkers wouldn’t have any problem decrying white immigration to a non-white country. In fact, they’ve made a career out of telling us how evil us “imperialistic” Westerners are.

      • DEMOLITION12

        diversity = White genocide

      • Pip

        UN Agenda 21/2030 simple as that, when you consider that the Zionist Globalist Elites motto is “Order out of Chaos” it doesn’t take a genius to work out who is really behind this insanity an treachery.

    • Space 1999

      I have a Sikh friend from Wolverhampton who will tell you all about the behaviour of Muslim kids. When he grew up there in the nineteen eighties, he tells me ‘it was war’. The notion that there are evil racist white kids and lovely immigrants from Asia who just want to live in peace – as promulgated by the left and/or BBC – is errant nonsense. Muslim kids are often aggressive and desensitised to violence; ask a Jew or a Sikh…

      • SunnyD

        no need brother, I have friends of both persuasion and already know the answer through my own (somewhat bitter) experiences……
        on the plus side, however, I can safely attribute my mate Baber’s inherent anger at the fact that he was molested by his 2 older brothers when he was younger… a fact that only came to light one evening after he’d come back from Pakistan (with a wife) and we were off our heads on “E” – I always called it the truth serum, or “Empathy” – “Ecstacy” seemed to be not quite the right fit for it, in my view…. but boy did it make us all yabber yabber yabber all night long!!

      • SunnyD

        there’s a rabbi at a bus stop and an Asian gentleman goes up to him and asks “When’s the next bus due?” and the rabbi said “Leave me alone you paki!”

      • Jingleballix

        This is my (former) home town……..

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOtaReT1eAc

        ……..these gansta-paks are clearly spoiling for a fight…….

      • OmnipotentWizard

        “I have a Sikh friend from Wolverhampton who will tell you all about the behaviour of Muslim kids.” Of course you do.

        • Zaba

          Muslim kids are often aggressive and desensitised to violence;
          it’s in the koran.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            No they’re not; no it isn’t.

            Mind you the Bible says –

            “And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.” (Exodus 21:20-21)

            Which means Christians can beat their servants providing they don’t kill them.

          • Zaba

            typical islamic false comparison aka kitman.

            We no no longer iive by the Bible.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            That depends who “we” are. You have a pretty large ego if you think you speak for everybody.

            Plenty of Christians do live by the Bible in Western Society – just look at Anders Brievik and just look at the number of Young World Creationists in the US. Just look at the B&B owners who won;t rent rooms to Gays.

    • UKSteve

      A pity they don’t show this again:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S06tTP7UxKc

    • Andrew Cole

      Sais on here for a long time that things are simmering. It is anger at the system, not at people. Anger at Politicians of all parties labeliing us all racists, bigots and xenophobes and then being happy to label us as Lazy.

  • The_greyhound

    I am little disappointed that we couldn’t have a picture of Hsiao-Hung Pai. We could perhaps have admired her plate lip, and the bone through her nose. But it’s always interesting to have an insight into our own advanced civilisation from someone whose folks still eat dog.

    • mohdanga

      Asians are some of worst racists, she should be writing about her own people before lecturing us.

      • SunnyD

        100+ upticks – true that

  • Joe Long

    More than likely Pai hates all British people, but the WWC are a target she can bash safely with the full support of cringing, self-loathing, guilt ridden liberals.

    She very likely has issues such as the Opium Wars, burning of the Summer Palace.

    But thanks to the idiot chorus she cannot be universally told to shove her barbs where the sun don’t shine.

    Truly I do not know why it is that our liberal friends have not all gone and hanged themselves, I wish they would. Why do they continue living? It must be torture to go on day after day enduring such a crushing burden. They could very easily end their torment for the price of a bit of rope and a couple of bottles of paracetamol – and oblige the rest of us, the sensible party, at the same time. It must be sheer perversity that stops them doing the decent and proper thing

    • SunnyD

      more like she’s a guilt inducing foreigner – happy to make the average Joe wallow in supposed guilt over crimes never committed

      • Lo Bin Sun

        Backed by the legals. Their ultimate goal is to have everyone ‘guilty’. Their financial an moral futures secured.

  • al_frick

    Liberalism is a disease of the mind. They wonder why we hate muslims. Well here’s a clue for you: I was 10 blocks away when the World Trade Center came down. You attacked my city. You attack our way of life. You kill innocents on their way to work, to a night out, to a club, to school. You behead schoolgirls. Why are we angry? Because we’re sick and tired of hearing why our anger is not justified when every day, there’s a new atrocity committed in the name of islam and everyone who’s islamic is complicit by their silence and default support. Everywhere in the world today that is a flashpoint (save N Korea), Islam is involved. Muslims against Christians. Muslims against Jews. Muslims against Buddhists. Muslims against Hindus.

    You better believe we’re angry. And I’m not white.

    • Space 1999

      You hit the spot perfectly.

      Islam is, by its very nature, unable to share the planet with anyone else. It’s binaristic – you’re either with it or against it. And if you’re against it, well, you’re deserving of Islam’s contempt and scorn and opprobrium. And if you complain about this attitude, apparently you’re an evil racist who ‘hates’ people.

      I have some lovely Muslim friends yet I despise Islam – it is the living end of everything I hold dear, liberalism, tolerance, pluralism, enlightenment. Yet apparently for saying this I am an evil racist.

      • Hybird

        Lovely Muslim friends? Are you sure? The Koran (that’s Allah) repeatedly forbids them from having non-Muslim friends – on pain of hell-fire. Do you think they admit having kuffar friends when they’re down at the mosque? Don’t forget the old Muslim saying – “We smile in their faces and curse them in our hearts.”

        • mohdanga

          And if that’s the case, then how will they ever integrate?? Well, they don’t integrate now, but the politicians and multiculti yobs say it’s because whitey is (take your pick) “Islamophobic”, “racist”, “bigoted”, “xenophobic”, etc. Makes no sense to keep bringing them in yet the floodgates remain open.

          • Hybird

            They won’t. Never have and never will. They do domination, not integration.

          • mohdanga

            Right in front of our eyes and yet the powers-that-be do nothing. There will be riots and blood in the streets soon.

      • SunnyD

        I feel you man – just about every word you said resonated with me.
        And btw, in regards to your last para, I too received a similar response to that expressed by Hybird when I said something similar not too long back and it did make me stop for a minute and think. But at the end of the day, and whatever’s in their hearts, some of my Muslim friends – for better or worse – are, in my view, nice people.
        Maybe them’s the echoes of the Catholic/Christian influences on my early life, who knows? I do however, plan to be ready for when the proverbial hits the fan – we’ll see where the chips fall

      • edlancey

        “I have some lovely Muslim friends yet I despise Islam”

        Why do people always say this grovelling cobblers. Apart from anything else, if you told your “lovely” friends you despised their religion they might stick a knife in you, but they certainly would hate your guts.

    • Bill Kendall

      I live in Cumbria, England, we are pretty isolated from the rest of the country.
      When 9/11 happened I seriously thought it must be the Russians, I thought WW3 was about to start, Muslims had never been on my radar before. They are now, every day.

    • Pip

      I agree with you except for the implication that Islamists were behind 9/11, it was clearly a self inflicted act by the criminal elite who control the USA and EU in order to justify the Iraq War and the so called fight against terror.

  • Uusikaupunki

    I have had the dubious pleasure to have visited Formosa (aka known as “Nationalist China”) many times in the late sixties and beyond. Having travelled about most of the world, in my opinion that benighted country was amongst the most racist, xenophobic and arrogant. Yes, a generalisation….
    but pot and kettle come to mind.

  • Chris

    Of course she (conveniently) doesn’t understand why people being made aliens in their own ancestral homeland is a problem: the Han Chinese have a 2,000 year history of doing exactly that to other ethnicities. Not sure if that makes Hsiao-Hung Pai stupid, or wilfully obtuse.

    • Lo Bin Sun

      Throughout the East, the Han have displaced indigenous peoples and established themselves. Or ‘taken over’ if you prefer a simpler term.

      Along with over-spill, they have been assisted by Western colonists in Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam, the Philippines and the Pacific.

      They have viable populations in the Americas, Africa and Europe, all with links to the Motherland.

  • Nibs

    ‘Extremist organisations such as the EDL…?’
    Schoolgirls systematically raped, threatened, beaten and tortured en mass, whole cities being taken over by mass immigration, Sharia courts, people dying because the NHS is crippled under the sheer weight of people, freely allowed, access to it from all over the world, etc.
    Yet we’re supposed to believe it’s those downtrodden indigenous folk who bravely take to the streets to protest this invasion who are the extremists – dream on.

  • NickG

    The interview this ghastly woman did with Tommy Robinson underlines Rod’s piece, Tommy filmed some of it on his cell phone. Though it seems to have been removed from You Tube. Currently there is this short clip left.

  • logdon

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBtct-z9JS8

    Muslims Chase Cops in London in 2009….Police Run for Cover

    Nothing to add.

  • grimm

    For many years immigration from the third world to the developed world has taken on the character of an unarmed invasion. The sheer arrogance of blatant economic migrants and bogus asylum seekers insisting that they have a “right” to a better life in the West is rarely if ever challenged in the MSM.

    As this arrogance on the part of the invaders has grown it has become increasingly important for them to denounce the indigenous white population as racist, xenophobic and bigoted. This is the chief weapon they use to break down our resistance.

    Meanwhile, white Europeans delude themselves with the belief that all the power is in their hands, that they need to educate themselves out of their prejudices and welcome the invaders with open arms. To the invaders this looks like nothing more than an admission of guilt which can be readily exploited.

    If our liberal intelligentsia were to a good hard look beyond the circles they move in they might find that the immigrants, now that they are here in very large numbers, are not eager to be accepted by and adapt to the indigenous population. On the contrary, they have been drawn here by the success and wealth of the West, they want “their” share and just view us as an obstacle to achieving that.

  • Louis Kasatkin

    This isn’t some sort of elaborate literary hoax ; is it ? there really is a Hsiao Hung Pai ?

    • Lo Bin Sun

      Why, Sum Ting Wong?

  • William Matthews

    Probably hates all white people. So, she found a natural home among the over-privileged, under working, over educated, under thinking, lefty liberals in this country. She writes for the Guardian, which I think justifies my theory.

    She has 3 masters degrees earned in this country so she’s had plenty of time to get a doctorate in the feeble minded politics of the average UK student.

    Just like Yasmin Alibhai-Brown and Diane Abbott. They make some underhanded derisory comments about the white working class, then step back, await the inevitable insults in retaliation, and use them as proof of their point.

    • nuff said

      Hsiao-Hung Pai….

      nuff said

  • Hippograd

    For an example of how Hsiao Hung Pai’s own folk respect minority rights, see Tibet and the Uighurs:

    (New York) – The Chinese government is directing a crushing campaign of religious repression against China’s Muslim Uighurs in the name of anti-separatism and counter-terrorism, Human Rights Watch and Human Rights in China said in a new report today.

    https://www.hrw.org/news/2005/04/12/china-religious-repression-uighur-muslims

    And the Chinese don’t behave well towards blacks either.

    • Overbanankrummer

      She was born in Taipei.

      • techytecherson

        as in the capital of the Republic of China?

        • Overbanankrummer

          Indeed it is, which is a different country from the People’s Republic of China.

          • Mc

            Quite a lot of Taiwanese are descendants of recent Chinese mainlanders, especially post the Communist takeover of mainland China. And of course Taiwan’s official language is Mandarin. So I think one can say that Taiwan is culturally near-identical to mainland China. So I believe it is correct for Hippo to lump Taiwan with China in this instance, as he’s pointing out how ethnically and culturally Chinese people treat others who they don’t like.

          • Overbanankrummer

            Considering what he is referring to, I don’t think there’s much defence for his comment, no. Most of those things are viewed as negatively in Taiwan as anywhere else. Of course, if you believe ethnicity determines behaviour, then by all means, feel free.

          • Mc

            You’re pulling a straw man, suggesting I think ethnicity determines behaviour. Culture certainly is the main determinant of a common set of behaviours among a particular nationality or race, which applies to both China and Taiwan, like anywhere else. If you’ve spent just a little time among Chinese, Tiawanese, Japanese and Koreans, you’ll notice that they’re culturally xenophobic at levels that exceed anything in the West – broadly the point made by Hippo.

          • Overbanankrummer

            I’ve lived in Japan and have quite a few friends both from the Chinese mainland and from Taiwan.

            Again, Hippo is making references exclusively to the PRC human right’s record – which is appaling, make no mistake – something that is completely unrelated to this. It is also somewhat idiotic to use it as an attack on a single writer (whose book I haven’t read and about whom I know nothing).

          • Mc

            So it sounds like you’ve spent time with Asian people who think just like you, who’re not representative of the attitudes prevalent among the nationalities mentioned.

            The Chinese behaviour is representing of attitudes that are culturally engrained in the region: something you’re apparent unaware of.

          • Numpty McTumshie

            Waishenren (as the post ’45 incomers are called) are quite a lot as in 10-15% (allowing for intermarriage)? So not a lot then.

            Try looking it up before talking nonsense.

          • Mc

            You’ll see later in the conversation that I mention that China, Japan, Korea, Taiwan have a common thread of xenophobia that far exceeds what occurs on average in the West. So perhaps consider the possibility next time that you may be building a straw man when you make a point.

          • Mc

            This may also be news to you:

            “The ethnic groups of Taiwan may be roughly divided among Chinese Taiwanese (84%), mainland Chinese (14%), and indigenous peoples (2%). The ROC government reports that over 95% of the population is Han Chinese, which includes Hoklo, Hakka and other groups from mainland China.”

            In other words 98% of Taiwanese are ethnically from mainland China, 14% of them more recently.

          • Mr B J Mann

            “Taiwan is more like Japan as a society”

            This is the Japanese who couldn’t reintegrate (pure bred) descendants of Japanese emigrants to South America when they invited them back to plug a deographic holebecause they weren’t Japanese enough?!

          • Lo Bin Sun

            ‘It belong to China’. And so does Tibet, the South China Sea, Japan and anywhere else the Han have displaced the indigenous peoples (Thailand and Vancouver are good examples)

      • Lo Bin Sun

        Chinese is Chinese or, better still, and despite national and domestic division, Han is Han.

  • Nomis

    What annoys me so much about the intellectual left and all the pro-immigrantion, pro-multiculturalist policy makers is that they seldom, if ever, have to live with the consequences. It isn’t their neighbourhoods that are transformed to resemble a suburb of Islamabad or Baghdad. It isn’t their families who are abused and intimidated and made to feel unwelcome as soon as they step out of their front door. It isn’t their sons who risk being beaten up by gangs of immigrant youth, or their daughters who risk being raped or worse. It isn’t they who are made to feel like foreigners in their own country. It isn’t they who end up moving from the town of their birth when it all becomes too much to bear.

    The complete lack of empathy shown by the liberal elite for the plight of the common man is quite frankly shameful.

    And for what reason are we to accept mass importation of foreign cultures? We owe them nothing and there is absolutely no net benefit to our economy or to our society as a whole. The way I see it, any country can achieve great things with enough determination. Look at South Korea which went from zero to an advanced global player in less than 40 years. Why don’t those in the Middle East try building up their own countries rather than flocking to the West for a free handout? I think South Korea provides the answer; 46% no religion, 23% Buddhist, 18% Protestant, 11% Catholic, 1% Folk, 1% Other, including 0.25% Muslim.

    • Hybird

      They’ve got far too many Muslims.

  • TrippingDwarves

    She was on start the week a couple of weeks ago. Unbelievably ignorant and couldn’t even answer basic questions that had a direct bearing on the subject she had just supposedly examined in detail and written about. Find it on iPlayer – worth listening to, if only for a chuckle.

    One wonders where they dig up these pseudo-intellectual parasites.

    • Mc

      Where do they dig up the pseudo-intellectual parasites? Two ways. Firstly, the BBC has staff whose job role requires them to find people to interview, present programs, etc. Once you’re on that BBC database tagged as someone who believes in the BBC worldview, then you’re guaranteed to be permanently on call (or permanently employed). Secondly, people pitch the BBC directly.

      • greencoat

        Quite so. It doesn’t matter how wrong or ignorant this woman is – her message fits with the Leftist worldview and, career-wise, that’s what matters today.

    • Zaba

      pseudo-intellectual parasites.

      You must mean ‘experts’.

  • SunnyD

    time she ate some humble Pai

  • William Brown

    Spoiler Alert!

    Whilst listening to The World At One today, the presenter was discussing the issues regarding the EU deal with Erdogan. However, instead of using the term illegal immigration, he used the term “irregular immigration”. Expect that, from now on, the BBC will thus describe illegal immigration as such.

    I wonder then, if it would OK for me to, say, make an ‘irregular’ withdrawal from the local bank, or perhaps drive past the school at an ‘irregular’ speed? After all, the word ‘illegal’ has clearly been made – umm – ‘irregular’ so as not to offend our liberal, leftie friends.

    • Holly

      This ‘irregular immigration’ seems to be a somewhat of a regular thing.

      As for this Pai bod, I have never heard of her…
      At least not until the Spectator gave her views a bit of oxygen.

    • Commonman

      Just a thought: but if they were referred to as “illegal immigrants” anyone supporting or helping them could be regarded as aiding and abetting an illegal act —– maybe? A conundrum no doubt.

    • Gergiev

      That will all be ok with the Beeb providing you continue to watch TV “regularly”

    • Hybird

      I first came across the term “irregular migrant” in a document from the Home Office 10 years ago. It actually stated that this should replace the use of “illegal immigrant.”

    • WTF

      Perhaps we should use the term “Undocumented Merkel Voters” !

  • Anthony Sykes @Dar_al_Harb_

    There’s a half-hour extract from an interview between Robinson and Pai on YouTube. Pai’s responses to Robinson’s typically well-informed and well-reasoned opinions reveal a great deal as to the ignorance and stupidity of the virtue-signalling, anti-Western left when it comes to Islam.

    I addressed her inane replies at length here: http://islamoreal.blogspot.co.uk/2016/03/responses-to-hsiao-hung-pais-interview.html

    If I do say so myself, it’s probably a good resource for anyone who wants material to shut up Islam apologists, since a lot of ground is covered, and a lot of citations/links are included.

  • Steven Barr

    Hsiao Hung Pai? That sounds like the punchline of a politically incorrect seventies comedian.

    • Zaba

      Not an entree?

  • JSC

    She sounds like a typical Islamophile… Doesn’t really know what the fuss is about, but if you don’t like it, you’re racist.

  • Nick

    There is a saying in the Royal Navy that we used when people like Hsiao-Hung Pai need something.

    I won’t use the actual words just incase but here goes: A chef and a Stoker……..ends.

  • Tickertapeguy

    THE WRATH OF THE AWAKENED SAXON

    by Rudyard Kipling

    It was not part of their blood,
    It came to them very late,
    With long arrears to make good,
    When the Saxon began to hate.

    They were not easily moved,
    They were icy — willing to wait
    Till every count should be proved,
    Ere the Saxon began to hate.

    Their voices were even and low.
    Their eyes were level and straight.
    There was neither sign nor show
    When the Saxon began to hate.

    It was not preached to the crowd.
    It was not taught by the state.
    No man spoke it aloud
    When the Saxon began to hate.

    It was not suddenly bred.
    It will not swiftly abate.
    Through the chilled years ahead,
    When Time shall count from the date
    That the Saxon began to hate.

    • Sandra Barwick

      No, this is an extremist version. The correct title is The Beginnings, and Kipling did not write Saxon, but English. He was writing about the Great War, and the slow movement of the English to hatred of Germans, whose music and literature etc they had admired. Kipling shouldn’t be perverted.

      • Tickertapeguy

        Interesting. I got the poem in my e-mail from another commenter. I have used it every now and then. but never actually checked the level of detail you have given. Thanks

    • Marian Hunter

      Thank you for this acknowledgement of what we feel. Its a wonderful poem which resonated with me in spite of the writer’s own slow burning hatred of the “Boche” but easily transfers to the conflict the west faces today.x

      • Tickertapeguy

        Marian
        Actually thank you. I got this poem in my e-mail mainly due to the rising anger among whites in the US and the nationalist movements in Europe against the invasion of refugees from the Mid East & Africa supported by Europe’s leaders.

        Just dealt with an article in the Asia Times where it stated that the possible collapse of the EU is a disaster and compared that to the possible “independence’ of 50 US states

        My response was that the formation of the EU benefited the Elites, the politicians and Europe’s banks. It did little to the European people. They paid a terrible price for this Union and the possible break up of the EU cannot be compared to the US and the independence of 50 states. If you have a chance go to Asia Times and read my comment on that article on the EU.

        • Marian Hunter

          Will do. I will go to the Asia Times and see what it says. Thing is no matter who gets in, Trump or Corbyn, we’ll still be poor.

          • Tickertapeguy

            Maybe but Trump will do away with a lot of the negative effects done by Obama. That still may not be good enough to stave off a secessionist movement

    • Disqus Bolloqus

      “No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin, or his background, or his religion. People must learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love, for love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite.”

      • GoJebus

        Didn’t get Alan Henning very far, all that love he had. Maybe we can try and encourage them to Morris dance – that might work.

        • Disqus Bolloqus

          Hate destroys the hater

          • GoJebus

            Are you on drugs?

          • Disqus Bolloqus

            No are you?

          • Disqus Bolloqus

            Sorry no, can’t help you. You’ll have to look elsewhere for your supply.

      • My2%

        ‘You’ve got to be carefully taught’; a song from ‘South Pacific’.
        “It’s not born in you,
        It happens after you’re born…”

        • Richard

          You also have to learn the song from South Pacific, it’s not born in you. As you have to learn how to make bread, how to build a computer, how to read and write.

      • right1_left1

        Actually i think it’s an open question whether or not people are born to hate.
        Witness sibling rivalry often including extreme cruelty.

        IMO people do have an intrinsic tribal identity possably as much environmental as genetic.
        In today’s world black tribal lidentitity is OK
        White is not !

        When tribal identities develop different aims then oddly enough free speech will exacerbate the situation.
        Over the generations animosities will develop leading to the kind of fractured world we see today and have recorded throughout history.

        The above truth , as I ‘see’ it, is my objection to attempts to create a multi cultural society.
        As of now the trends are appearing precisely as indicated.

      • edlancey

        ‘king Mandela – a murdering old communist.

    • Chris Bartelt

      Or to Quote Stephan Molyneux ‘The west is very tolerant until it isn’t’.
      Having sat silent for so long biting their tongues and being told they have no right to an opinion by a wet behind the ears multi-culti left wing middle class, the ordinary indigenous European may be about to get ‘real unpleasant’.

      As they say, what goes around comes around.

      • Tickertapeguy

        Interesting quote. Wouldn’t that hold true of any society who claims it is tolerant? I have noticed that Western culture has long periods of high civility interspersed with short periods of extreme brutality.

        I believe there are many anthropological reasons for that but generally do not test the level of tolerance of the Western world too much. Push us too far and the veneer of civility is ripped off.

        • Chris Bartelt

          Yes, exactly. Something that ‘r- select gene type do gooders’ should bear in mind.

          • Tickertapeguy

            Europe is often taken as an example by liberals how civilization works on one hand (renaissance, age of enlightenment, age of reason, European society during peaceful times) and as an example of organized brutality on the other (1940’s Germany, French revolution, Russian Revolution,Crusades, inquisition, WW1 and 2, Roman empire, Colonial age, the northern tribes such as the vikings, Vandals, Visigoths, Ostrogoths etc)… without ever connecting the two and getting a more balanced picture of Europe.

            Unlike most other parts (example Subcontinent , Iran’s Zoroastrian culture etc) Europe expelled Muslim invasions over and over again. The (Christian) Europeans were the only main culture to take the war to the middle East to rescue Jerusalem (Crusades) while other civilizations fought “defensive” wars and often lost to Muslim invasions.

            the light and dark side of Europe must be understood by her leaders for the potential for the dark side to emerge to rectify what is taking place could easily happen

          • Tickertapeguy

            My use of terms like “Light” and “dark” are subjective and only meant for use as a place in understanding the nature of cultures.

          • Chris Bartelt

            Yes, again I wholeheartedly agree.

          • Tickertapeguy

            Thanks

  • Mc

    The fact that the book is praised by The Independent is a pretty safe indicator that it’s a steaming pile of codswallop.

    • WTF

      Thats a polite way of putting it !

  • Disqus Bolloqus

    They have anti-immigration views because they have been fed a diet of nasty racist propaganda by the mainstream media

    Ah, so. It’s the Spectator’s fault!

  • splotchy

    I wanna know what word was removed (?edited) between ‘horrible’ and ‘papers’ end of para 4. C’mon Rod, tell all!

  • Andrew Cole

    Rod Liddle. Nail, head yet again. Pretty much sums it up. The white working class do not hate islam, muslims or any ethnic minority. They hate the system that continually labels them if they voice any concern over anything at all while the middle earning luvvie lot swarm all over every channel looking down their noses as if we are all the subjects of Jeremy Kyle’s depiction of low life Britain.

    • Hybird

      If the white working class (or anyone else, come to that) does not hate Islam then they just do not know enough about it. Islam is a truly awful ideology and its role model “prophet” was a nasty piece of work.

      • Andrew Cole

        I think the white working class is apathetic towards most religions these days and while the words used may indicate an anger about certain people the reality is that they are shouting at the system and not the people.

  • Richard

    This is the same attitude the biologist Stephen Jay Gould had. He attacked the Victorian, Samuel Morton, for his statement that the skulls (and hence brains) of blacks were smaller than those of whites. Gould said that Morton was an execrable racist and had deliberately mismeasured the skulls in order to support his racist ideology.

    Of course, as you might expect, it turns out that Gould falsely accused Morton of this in order to polish his own Leftie credentials. Morton was entirely correct, as painstaking research at Rutgers has shown. Gould had no evidence with which to accuse Morton, he simply did so because he didn’t like what Morton’s discoveries had shown.

    If you are a Leftie, just attack others on the basis of your own ideology, without bothering to find our whether their facts or opinions are valid. Being a Leftie means never having to prove what you say, and never having to say you’re wrong.

    • edlancey

      Gould was your classic 60’s leftie PoS. His books are boring as well, completely ruined because he thought he was a brilliant writer, mistaking verbosity for accuracy.

  • Andrew Cole

    It makes the Americans angry as well. It doesn’t mean you are racist just because you have concerns.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAoXgZLRee0

  • Ray Spring

    I am a refugee. I took my family with me when we fled. My kids are clever. One has a PhD, plus her three children have Masters. Thankfully we were welcomed as refugees, but the locals here do not understand the feeling of loss to leave your native land for the unknown.
    I am a refugee. Actually, I am a refugee from Refugees. I left Birmingham, England, when the invasion started. I received sanctuary in the South Pacific. I love Christchurch and am safe from terrorist bombs and machine gun murders. Come friendly bombs and fall on Slough…………

  • William Brown

    Whilst watching Sky News last night, I witnessed another non-descript, leftie journalist excusing the residents of Molenbeek from obstructing the police, throwing stones, hiding and protecting Salah Abdeslam, because the poor dears are disenfranchised and disadvantaged. Really? Are there still people who actually believe that this as fact? I think you’ll find that its not just the white working class who have had enough of this nonsense.

    • boiledcabbage

      And the same excuses in Tower Hamlets, Luton, Bradford, Rotherham…….

    • Mr B J Mann

      Disenfranchised?!

      Should have gone to O^O….::::::: Specs….. sorry Saudi Arabia!

      • William Brown

        She was on again yesterday, spouting the same drivel – apparently she’s a professor at a Brussels University – Gawd help us.

  • Cobbett

    The best thing any single working class Englishman can do is leave this country…there is no future here.

    • UKSteve

      Yes, that’s working out so brilliantly for 3 million Syrians.

      If you are genuinely English, you don’t run away from anything – you fight.

      • Cobbett

        It’s SE Asia for me…I F*cking hate this place.

        • UKSteve

          You’re lucky – we’re tied to the NHS.

    • lancastrian1

      Stand and fight, don’t run.

  • evad666

    Hsiao-Hung Pai neds to understand the white working class are hacked of with the upper middle class Labour elites who love the Muslims more.

  • Ron Todd

    She should go and agitate for Taiwan to take more Muslim immigrants.

  • quotes

    I almost want to read the book.

    • God’s Honor

      I want to use it as toilet paper, however real toilet paper is a much cheaper alternative and is actually better written.

    • Neil Saunders

      Don’t bother. Read “Dark Albion” by David Abbott instead.

  • Zhang Wei

    What makes the white working class angry?

    1. They are spastics
    2. They have a sense of entitlement based on ethnicity, not ability or achievement.
    3. They are jealous of foreigners who have come to the UK and been more successful than them.

    • WTF

      Why would one ethnic group deliberately segregate themselves by creating Islamic Apartheid mini-states within a Christian based country like the UK ? Isn’t that racism no different to Afrikaans under white rule in South Africa.

      I think you’ve got it a*s backwards, ignoring the first insult, the sense of entitlement is highest among those unskilled no matter what their ethnic back ground and jealously is rampant among the same demographic (not cultural) group.

    • UKSteve

      “What makes the white working class angry?”

      Brainless tw4ts who post racist garbage on Disqus.

    • God’s Honor

      You are an anti-white racist dung heap.

    • right1_left1

      The truth is that the white working class has suffered the serious negative consequences of mass immigration.

      Overcrowded schools .where 20 odd different languages may be spoken.
      Neighbourhoods changed beyond recognition.
      Access to NHS provisions made awkward and inconvenient.
      Increases in violent crime.
      Competition for blue collar jobs such as builders plasterers electricians plumbers etc.

      Whatsmore when highly talented people such as yourself leave your home country you diminish the human resourses there.
      Who needs nurse more ?
      Asia or the UK. ?
      If you have opened a restaurent where dogs’ barlux may be consumed then go away !

      A sense of entitlement is a UK cross class phenomenon based in 70 years of over applied welfareism.

    • Frank Marker

      ‘They are spastics’, signed Zhang Wei (aged nine and three quarters)
      Yep, that comment says all I need to know about you.

  • anotherjoeblogs

    Hsiao-Hung Pai, Owen Jones, Dan Trilling and Ash Sarkar on ‘Angry White People’
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rb8OudIuf5w

  • Dinarchus

    Well done Rod! Someone should be standing up for our loyal, country-loving compatriots! If she doesn’t like the EDL she can just bugger off back to Taiwan! #amIright?

    (PS – brave thing to do to be defending the political integrity of the EDL, Rod. I would be worried about coming down on the wrong side of history, but I admire your courage!)

  • AA_Bill

    This asinine woman has invaded my safe space and appropriated my culture.
    There should be no platform for her and she should be deported as soon as possible.

    • Wessex Man

      ha ha ha AA Gill reversed, I like that, not a lot but I like it.

  • Sam Greenaum

    Speaking as a working-class white man, Rod Liddell is a massive bell-end. It needs saying.

    • The Patriarchy

      But he speaks more authentically for white working people than you do.

    • lancastrian1

      Liddell is spot on!

    • He is far more in tune with the thinking of sensible Englishmen than you are old chap. There are whole swathes of this country where an Englishmen can’t get a job that pays more than minimum wage, and often when they have to travel between jobs unpaid (like care workers do) they get a lot less than that.

  • Roger Hudson

    I sit back and read ‘This England’ magazine like all sensible angry Englishmen and women and leave the loonies to go to football. That ethnic Chinese woman was just being a silly foreigner, ignore her.

  • Ray Spring

    At 174 comments so far. No mention of the avalanche of clever, young, married with kids lot landing up in NZ. They run our hospitals etc. Working in many cases for half wages from what they would get in UK. Of course, UK can afford the brain-drain since you can replace clever English people with clever Eskimos etc. In fact, clever, or wealthy, from anywhere.
    But will you have England left, in England?
    Birmingham, which is where I come from, has been destroyed by importing more people than can live within its walls. People of every hue. But for what reason? My city is no longer home, I have no wish even to visit it. Working English people are the victims of this population replacement. If they say how much they reject it, then they lose their jobs and may even end up in prison.
    The lucky ones live on the South Island, NZ. The rest stew. Waiting for Donald Trump, or his UK equivalent, to arrive.

    • red2black

      You’ve played the victim card and buggered off and left us to it.

      • Well even if that was true, he could hardly have done much to change things could he? I’ve been complaining about this trend since the turn of the century and so have a lot of other people. What has changed? I suppose when you realise you can’t change the entrenched commitment of the political elite to the multi-lie and the idea that we must pack the country with more people than we can house, leaving and living somewhere else is a perfectly rational position.

        Good morning by the way.

        • red2black

          Good morning, Arthur. Are you saying that the political elite are more important than your country and your fellow countrymen?

          • Wessex Man

            tee hee come on then start, tee hee.

          • red2black

            Now then, Wes. I’m surprised how many of these patriotic types live abroad, such as ‘Ray Spring’ above, which is why I asked the question to ‘Arthur Sparknottle’. Perhaps you’d like to answer it on his behalf or your own? Good afternoon, by the way.

          • Wessex Man

            Good afternoon, as I am, the particularly patriotic group the Gibraltarians who are always loud in wanting to remain ‘part of the United Kingdom’ will vote in their entirety to remain in the European Union and their vote will be counted in the South West of England to which they have been added.

            Their patriotic beliefs only extend to their wallets and purses.

            Stop taking the micky out of Arthur and I’ll stop taking the micky out of you.

          • red2black

            Most comments from abroad have been in favour of leaving the EU.
            Arthur and I get along fine.

          • Ray Spring

            I live abroad because I heard Enoch Powell in 1968, realised he was right and the political class wrong. I left because there was no opposition to the defenestration, Spectator 12 March, of Enoch. I did not want to be watching race riots nor having my kids involved in them. I made a brilliant choice. The sun is shining and I am off to do the gardening soon. Bother the Earthquakes here, but thousands of your educated, clever, people are leaving UK to get away from the problems of race in the UK. Race is a self inflicted wound, which is nothing to do with me.

          • red2black

            Fair enough. My point was that people are living abroad and commenting from abroad. A lot of people here are at pains to point out that the main problem in England is with Islam, rather than anything racial. That aside, you’re obviously happy with where you are, so all the best with it.

          • Uzaydan Misafir

            Are you sure the problem isn’t European immigrants? You’re having a referendum so I’d think that’s a very important question.

            Not one of your parties, especially not the anti-EU, have suggested that there could be a referendum on Muslims too…

          • red2black

            Steady on. You’ll be giving them ideas.

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            Out of idle curiosity (is there any other kind?), where did you relocate to?
            Jack, the Japan Alps Brit

          • Ray Spring

            Christchurch, NZ. But relocation was forced on me, not my choice. However, if I had stayed in UK I could well have been vilified as ‘Racist’, denied work and possibly even been sent to prison.

          • Wessex Man

            I was a Royal Marine Reserve who saw just how poor our comrades from Europe were except for the French and Spanish.

            This country is my home and I will fight to the last breath for it. If however Ray Spring or dear old Arthur wish to emigrate that’s entirely their choice and I expect they have family in this country still.

            btw Red, would you care to answer on your present whereabouts?

          • red2black

            England.

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            Don’t give me your hard luck stories.
            Jack, the Japan Alps Brit

          • red2black

            What’s a hard luck story?

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            Your patriotism is touching. Sadly, it isn’t reciprocated.

          • Not at all. The political elite have let us down mightily. We wouldn’t be where we are now if they’d listened to the people. They were too far up their own @ r ses to consider the views of the people they were supposed to be representing. They knew better apparently. In fact, they didn’t.

          • red2black

            Well, the idea is that we elect people so that they can take well-informed decisions on our behalf.

          • MC

            No. THE idea is that we elect people who represent us and our views.
            You may like to be subservient to your ‘betters’, but IMHO most people prefer representation over dictatorship.

          • red2black

            On the contrary, I agree with Durruti.

          • MC

            I’m more of a Proudhon fan, but that doesn’t distract from the IDEA being about representation, not dictatorship.

            “An anarchism based upon a potential within existing society and not a doctrine or ideology to be imposed from outside”

          • red2black

            I think it’s nigh impossible for one elected person to represent the views of so many. People’s views differ on matters, even when there is general agreement. As far as possible, people ought to be confident enough to represent themselves. Durruti was right about what happens when people become remote from their electors. I slogged through bits of ‘Property Is Theft’ in the early 1970s, but I’ve still ended up a boring old Centrist along Bertrand Russell’s lines of the English love of compromise.

          • MC

            I think you’ll find Proudhon coined the term, property is theft.

            An elected official represents those who elected him, not the whole electorate

          • red2black

            I’m aware of that; people may agree generally, but not on specific issues.
            The Conservatives are split over Europe. I’m sure there are people who are pro-EU, but their representative in Parliament (along with some of those who voted for him or her) is anti-EU.

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            Therefore theft is property.
            What’s yours is mine. What’s mine’s my own.

          • red2black

            And I’m your huckleberry.

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            Tombstone.

      • Cyril Sneer

        Lame.

        • red2black

          Old Fox thinks so too.

      • Ray Spring

        No. I saw the future and left!

        • red2black

          So why wish for another Donald Trump in the UK?

          • Ray Spring

            Because with a major change in direction for UK, I might be able to return to the country of my birth. Which, due to its political system, I cannot do now.
            But the sun is shining, 27 degrees promised today, and it looks like a decent day.

          • red2black

            Well, whichever way our EU Referendum goes, it looks like we’ll still have the same government until the next Election in 2020. You said elsewhere that you went to NZ in 1968. What you’d make of Birmingham today, I really don’t know, and I don’t think a Donald Trump figure could really change much in the short term. On a different note, my paternal grand-dad worked his passage on a sailing ship to NZ, and my dad visited NZ when he was in the Royal Navy, and told me the ANZACs were well thought of. Anyway, it sounds like you’re happy enough out there, but I’m sorry if you’re unable to return to Blighty.

        • Wessex Man

          I don’t blame you!

          • Ray Spring

            Thanks.

      • Ray Spring

        No. I left since, if I had stayed, I would have been vilified as ‘Racist’. I would have been denied a job and may even have ended up in prison for Hate Speech. So why stay, when my fellow countrymen are brainwashed and in denial? Oh, and my kids would have been denied an education.

  • The people who suffer most from the importation of cheap labour, are the unskilled working class – the people who work in shops, factories, meat processing, ‘hospitality’, and driving. I’m sure that the list is not exhaustive, but these are the people threatened by competition with people – often cleverer and better qualified, who have come from afar. The presence of a pool of willing, unfussy labour depresses wages, worsens conditions and impoverishes millions of mainly English people. Call me old fashioned, but I think we have a responsibility to our OWN less well off, which is far greater – inestimably greater, than any airy-fairy one to foreigners. Unless we want a bitter, rebellious, violent, welfare addicted untermensch in our cities, we should listen, and act to improve their opportunities. That can best be done by banning inward migration except that of the highly skilled with expertise we don’t have. Try turning up in Australia uninvited and trying to get a job, and see what happens. They know how to defend their people. We don’t.

    • red2black

      Presenting this as a class issue isn’t really in keeping with Conservative and Nationalist thinking. The White working class has never achieved anything on its own.

      • Wessex Man

        I think your comment says more about you than it says the white working class.

        • red2black

          For example?

          • Wessex Man

            “Presenting this as a class issue isn’t really in keeping with Conservative and Nationalist thinking.”

            Conservatives aren’t Nationalists they are the sell out Euro fanatics, Nationalists like myself would never sell this country short in the hope of a cushy well paid little job in the EU after being thrown out by the electorate in a couple of years as do Call me Dave and Gorgeous George Robotic.

            “the white working class have never achieved anything on it’s own.” is either your sorry attempt at humour or your shockingly sad view of most of the population until Blair, Brown, Cameron, May and Osborne decided that the ethnic mix in this country was sadly not good enough for them.

          • red2black

            Please see my reply to Arthur Sparknottle above regarding the indigenous working class needing the help and support of people from other classes in order to achieve political power. I’m white working class. To be fair to Labour, during the 1960s they did improve things a great deal for working class people. I wasn’t criticising working class people’s individual achievements. You appear to say that all Conservatives are pro-EU, which doesn’t seem to be the case.

          • Wessex Man

            Those Conservatives who have decided to campaign to leave the EU have shown remarkably little effort to date.

            It is a well known fact that Boris will flip flop all over the place in his one prusuit of Boris. The best of the Conservatives came over to my party between 2010 and last year.

          • red2black

            The original issue raised was the White working class. All the mainstream parties also rely on support from the non-white working class and people from the other social classes. How can a political party claim to represent the interests of a particular class when it’s so dependent on the support (membership and voters) of people from other backgrounds? Nationalists place their country or ‘the national interest’ above social class differences, so unless the White working class is a majority in a Nationalist party and their supporters, it’s difficult to see how their interests can really be served. White working class values and all the rest of it do not necessarily equate with whatever may be considered to be in the national interest. An inclusive working class, (rather than an exclusively White one) even though greater in numbers, will include Labour, Conservative, UKIP and Liberal voters.

      • Well, aside from the question of whether any of us achieves things ‘on their own’, I think that this country was built on the sweat of working class men and women and the wars we fought were won by them. Alone? No – there were the monied capitalists who set up factories, or bought land and materials for house building, but where would they have been without workers? I don’t think class politics is in the least helpful – quite the opposite when things get acrimonious like in the 1970s, but I also think that we can never ignore a fall in conditions for a whole class of society like we have now. One Nation Toryism would not ignore that either. To do so is to enter into the kind of exploitative thinking that was common among eighteenth century factory and pit owners – get it as cheap as possible and b u g g e r the workers. Doesn’t work I don’t think and it isn’t the way I’d want it.

        • red2black

          It seems to be inevitable that at some point, because of the nature of the system we live under, certain issues will lead to conflict between, for example, employers and employees, or between rich and poor.
          There’s a big difference between that and some sort of millenarian liberation brought about by revolution, a workers’ dictatorship, and the disappearance of the State. My point was that without the help and support of people from other social classes, Britain’s indigenous working class wouldn’t have achieved anything as far as political power was concerned. For a start, the working class vote was traditionally split between a majority of men voting Labour and a majority of women voting Conservative. Most people settle for compromise and regulated Capitalism.

          • MC

            where’s your figures from? thin air I suspect.

          • red2black

            Not figures. Many years ago the point was made (I’ll try and source it) that without the support of working class women voting Conservative, there wouldn’t have been a Conservative government in modern times. Consequently, Labour could never rely on working class votes alone to get into power.

          • MC

            AsI said, thin air. My figures prove you do not know what you’re talking about and you should therefore withdraw / delete your nonsense.

          • red2black

            Yes, there’s been a shift in percentages, but, as you can see from your figures, the white working class alone (men and women) cannot achieve political power because they remain divided along political lines. DE – working class and unemployed – includes indigenes and immigrants.

          • MC

            You said; “For a start, the working class vote was traditionally split between a majority of men voting Labour and a majority of women voting Conservative. ” This is wrong.
            There is also the problem that there is no party which supports the WC, the closest to WC ideology being UKIP. Labour are anti-WWC as shown by years of policies which consistently undermine the WWC

          • red2black

            That was the case after WW2 and towards the end of the twentieth century. Labour also appealed to working class immigrants for support, not just indigenes. I think you’ll find that support for UKIP comes from across the social board and includes a good number of non-whites. And – you said it – ‘there is no party which supports the working class’. Some white working class people will vote for UKIP, and some will vote for the other mainstream parties.

          • MC

            2015:

            Male: Tory=38%, Lab=30%, Lib=8%

            Female: Tory=37%, Lab=33%, Lib=8%
            Source: Ipsos-Mori

          • red2black

            Are these figures for the white working class vote, the national vote, or what?

          • MC

            2010: Class DE voters (working class – employed and unemployed)

            Male: Tory=32%, Lab=35%, Lib=13%

            Female: Tory=29%, Lab=45%, Lib=19%
            Source: Ipsos-Mori
            FACT: Female Working class vote in larger percentage for Labour than Male WC.

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            Enter Muslim immigrants.

          • red2black

            Not so fast. All the political parties can’t rely on a single social class to vote them into power, whether there’s immigration or not. There are people from all social classes that make up the vote for each of the mainstream parties. Muslim immigrants are non-EU, so why has Muslim immigration continued under a Conservative government if their inclination is to vote Labour?

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            Perhaps the Conservatives can’t turn off the immigration spigot. However, it does seem counterproductive. Only a relatively small percentage is needed to swing an election. Also, there may be a “pull up the ladder, Jack” among immigrants.

          • MC

            2010:

            Male: Tory=38%, Lab=28%, Lib=22%

            Female: Tory=36%, Lab=31%, Lib=26%
            Source: Ipsos-Mori

          • I’m all for sensibly regulated capitalism. A light touch would be my ideal so that market failure doesn’t lead to excessive profits at the public’s expense. We have various market failures affecting our economy right now. One is related to an artificial suppression of wages and conditions brought about by an endless supply of cheap foreign labour from the continent and elsewhere – people flocking in from economies where the gdp per capita is about a third of the UK rate, and the other is the exploitative energy market, in which a confusing, obfuscating structure hides the true level of corporate profit at the expense of the consumer. Just try working out what the profit margins are for companies like RWE Npower. They are involved in retail supply and generation, and can hide their profits from the government and the consumer. Fuel prices have collapsed this year. Feedstock having dropped by vast amounts in costs – 66% and yet you are lucky to have seen a 5% fall in price as a consumer.

          • red2black

            What you describe sounds like the other side of the immigration coin. If it’s the case that Labour were bringing in non-EU people to boost their voter-base, why has it continued under the Conservatives? Disagreements are about the extent and nature of regulation – from none at all to total. I’m sure the first duty of most big companies like NPower is to maximise profits and maximise payments to shareholders.

          • The reason both parties continue to encourage vast amounts of immigration is that they see it as the only way to keep afloat the giant Ponzi scheme we call ‘social security’. You and I have paid our money in for many decades and ALL of it was given away immediately to another generation. Now, since we have a declining birth rate, new mugs (Ponzi schemes always need new mugs) are too few to keep up the payouts that have been promised and are expected. Migrants are the new mugs. It’s as simple as that. They must get money in to pay the money out. It can’t work forever of course. It is bound to collapse.

            As for the first duty of companies to maximise profit. This is true, and it is why we need a degree of regulation. There are situations in which maximum profit -say for a utility company goes against the needs of society in general. It is possible we are seeing that now in the gas and electricity market. Some suggest that the negative social impact of aggressively profit making utility companies points to a need to remove such services from the capitalist arena. Maybe they should be operated as publicly owned operations like roads, police and health care. Clearly – these examples I have given are not always operated as publicly owned utilities.

          • red2black

            I got about half way through Mitch Feierstein’s ‘Planet Ponzi’ a few years ago and learnt enough to understand what you mean. I don’t know much about Economics, but he gave a pretty hair-raising account of what was going on in the world – a global Ponzi scheme – a type of scheme that on whatever scale, has always ended in collapse. I agree that things like water, energy and healthcare should be run as public services. There is also an urgent need for more social housing.

          • Social housing and ANY housing is an absolute priority. We’ve imported 11 million people since 1995 and built very few homes. this is the major reason why our homes and probably our rents are about two to two and a half times as expensive as they should be. It impoverishes the generation that my kids belong to, although they have done pretty well themselves, nevertheless they are still having to commit about twice the proportion of their income to housing as my generation did.

          • red2black

            That’s right. If things don’t change, there’ll be more than one Generation Rent. The people of Marinaleda in Spain have a radical way of housing themselves, but it’s far too Leftie to be considered here.

      • The Patriarchy

        Apart from defeating Germany in two world wars.

        • red2black

          My point was about achieving political power. The working class vote was split between a majority of men voting Labour and a majority of women voting Conservative. All social classes were represented in both world wars.

      • MC

        for you, ignorance is bliss

        • red2black

          Of you; yes. My point was about the white working class achieving political power.

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        With the exception of cannon fodder.

        • red2black

          Not a pleb initiative.

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            True, but an essential component.

    • Uzaydan Misafir

      In London the vast majority of the suffering people will be Asian and occasionally Black.

  • foxoles

    But, Rod – she’s loved by the chatterati, which means it doesn’t matter what anyone else thinks.

  • OmnipotentWizard

    “Nothing any of these beastly low-brow people tell her can shake that
    perspective: they are simply quite wrong about everything, and that’s
    that.” That is exactly the sort of closed mind that most UKIPpers have.

    • P_S_W

      Two wrongs do not a right make…

    • MikeF

      How would you know? I suspect you are rather comfortable in your own assumptions.

      • OmnipotentWizard

        “How would you know?” Because I’ve read some of the knee-jerk posts from UKIPpers any time anyone ever makes a pro-EU comment.

        • MikeF

          You’ve read a few posts – well that’s something.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            You haven’t got the hang of these comebacks have you Mike – they need to be telling or funny.

            Have another go.

          • MikeF

            Not in this instance – you ae already telling us everything we need to know about you.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            No – still no good. I can only awards you a C- for perseverance.

          • MC

            nearly time for your bed, little boy. Go brush your teeth and put your jammies on.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            Excuse me – I’m taking the P out of MikeF here MC – mind your own business.

          • MC

            This is a PUBLIC forum for Spectator readers. Are you using your parent’s account?

          • OmnipotentWizard

            Originality not your strong point is it MC?

          • MikeF

            Oh dear – you really are fooling yourself if you think you are doing anything of the sort.

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            When you die you don’t realise you’re dead, so your demise only inconveniences others.
            Same with stupid.

        • Joe Long
          • OmnipotentWizard

            Always be wary of newspapers as they (a) have a right/left wing bias,

            and (b) sell more copies by exaggerating bad stories.

            Wizard Rule 14: Good news is no news.

          • MC

            Shock horror! 13 year old boy calling himself a god hasn’t read the Glasgow Uni MG research papers from the 1970s & 1980s (e.g. Really Bad News and More Bad News) and doesn’t understand media.
            When you’re older and you live in an Islamic state you’ll be in a position to talk. For now, if you leave the conversation to the grown ups there’s a small chance you might learn something worth knowing.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            MC – Wizard Rule 77: People that are losing an argument will often try to discredit the person they are arguing with. (In football this tactic is known as “Playing The Man”)

          • MC

            So you don’t know anything about GUMG.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            Never take any notice of Pressure Groups (right or left wing), Political Parties, Charities or Unions. I prefer to get my information from unbiased sources.

          • MC

            You have no idea how ignorant you are.
            GUMG is not a pressure group, charity, union or political party you silly child

          • gillardgone

            Like the Beano.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            I’ve seen better insult from an elderly nun who’d taken a vow of silence.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            You haven’t got the hang of these comebacks have you gillard?

          • Mr B J Mann

            And in playground knockabouts kids who are losing make up “wizard” rules to try to win.

            But it usually sinks in that they are losers long before they get to Rule 14, never mind 77!

          • OmnipotentWizard

            Thank you for your interest BJ. My rules are for easy use in shooting down unpleasant people like MC. They go from:

            Wizard Rule 1: God didn’t create religion; religion created God.

            to

            Wizard Rule 82: Only rich people can afford principles.

            But the one that most suits you is:

            Wizard Rule 58: If you have nothing to add then add nothing.

          • Mr B J Mann

            ..I.,

        • gillardgone

          All I can say is thanks Nigel Forage for getting us the referendum, oh and thanks for keeping labour and the leftists out of power for a long time God willing.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            Farage couldn’t even win a carefully selected seat at the General Election.

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            Anticipate a massive swing to the political right at the next electoral opportunity. Europe and beyond.

          • Uzaydan Misafir

            The referendum will only increase the share of Muslims in Leicester, London and Luton when white migrants are being forced to leave.

    • Joe Long

      Total bs

      When did UKIP supporters ever pull a stunt like this?

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage/11395260/Nigel-Farage-abandons-walkabout-in-Rotherham-as-protesters-blockade-him.html

      Butter wouldn’t melt in the mouth Sarah Champion thought that this was “hilarious”

      “She said: “To try and gain office from child abuse scandal is the lowest thing I’ve seen in politics.”

      Whereas hoovering up the bloc votes whilst turning a blind eye to the epidemic – as Labour have been doing for many years – is the very epitome of high principle presumably

      • OmnipotentWizard

        Everybody spins – most UKIPpers suffer from self-deception is claiming they don’t.

        • MC

          It’s way past your bedtime. Off you go now.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            I guess originality is not your strong point MC.

    • gillardgone

      Omnipotent wizard. Who do you think kept labour out at the last election, UKIP, who got us a referendum, ukippers , who has closed minds all of the other party’s,may I humbly suggest you are an imbacile of the leftist kind, never trust a leftist if you are working class.

      • OmnipotentWizard

        “…may I humbly suggest you are an imbacile…” Typical UKIPper. Insult anyone they don’t agree with and spell it incorrectly at the same time.

  • evad666

    As Trevor Philips highlighted in his documentary the children of the white English have been pushed to the back of the queue in Education. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8949046/Trevor-Phillips-attacks-bonkers-use-of-Human-Rights-Act.html revisit his conversation with a teacher in his Channel 4 Documentary from March 2015.

    http://www.channel4.com/programmes/things-we-wont-say-about-race-that-are-true
    That in and of itself is enough to make any right thinking Englishman furious.

  • MikeF

    Taiwanese Chinese are divided into two groups – ‘native’ Taiwanese who are descended from Chinese who migrated to the island from southern China several hundred years ago and Beijing Chinese who fled to the place from more northern parts of the mainland after the communist takeover in 1949. The latter took the place over, imposed Mandarin Chinese as the official language in place of the Tiawanese version of the language which is quite different and made the island effectively a one-party state ruled by the Kuomintang party – a situation that last until the 1990s. I suspect I can tell which of those groups Ms Hsiao-Hung belongs to.

    • Joe Long

      I don’t recall lefties(such as the idiot wizard) ever making knowledgeable contributions such as this – all they mostly do is imbecilic one liners, the UK education system is an unmitigated disaster area.

  • Ian Russell

    Should i feel guilty because I’ve never heard of her?

    Having read this article I have no desire to know anything further.

  • Richard Baranov

    I just endured 20 minutes of a 30 minute discussion that Hsiao-Hung Pai has with Tommy Robinson, I suggest that you watch it for just 10 minutes and realize that the discussion on Islam is being driven by the likes of her. It has to be one of the most depressing ‘interviews’ I have ever watched for reasons that will be obvious to anyone who takes time out to watch. That this profoundly ignorant and ill educated woman is held up to be any sort of authority is ludicrous and shows the intellectual calibre of the left that seems to be all out to destroy our culture and, indeed, Western civilization. What I cannot understand is how is it that those on the opposite side of the debate are incapable of counteracting this sort of stupidity and simply discrediting such ridiculous people to the point that they are laughed out of the arena of serious discussion.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9HkCLvMUe8

    • Joe Long

      I watched the first 10 minutes as you suggested and he’s shot the crassly stupid cow to pieces.

      No wonder the UK regime persecutes him

    • D J

      What a demonstration of how a self-taught man can show up a poorly prepared academic.
      In so many spheres if you really want to understand things you need to be fully involved with them.
      Tommy Robinson,like all of us, makes mistakes but he is really impressive.

  • DaHitman

    “What makes the white working class angry?” – Flooding the country with third world parasites who will never integrate and fill our prisons as crime also rises?

    • Jackthesmilingblack

      Let’s a spade a spade shall we, and let political correctness go hang!
      For “Third world parasites”, read Muslims.

    • Uzaydan Misafir

      Vote Leave.

      Wait a minute, that won’t help you with the Muslims…

      • DaHitman

        It’s a start, Eastern Europeans are a bigger drain than the feckin Muslims

        • Uzaydan Misafir

          Yeah,
          these Romanians were at it in Brussels again. But wait…

    • nuff said

      Lack of jobs.

  • Pioneer

    Is it just the working class?

  • Michael H Kenyon

    More international commentators coming to dictate our ways with no understanding of our culture. This is where the worship of money without values will get you.

  • mecha-rigsby

    The Graun has been w****g itself into a frenzy over this book for weeks. Because despite their admiration for miners and people on zero hours contracts, they *DESPISE* the working class. My book criticising the Taiwanese working class for objecting to immigration comes out next week. No, only kidding.

  • Sean L

    Why is it “extremist” to organise politically against people who have colonised one’s homeland and make no secret of their desire to possess it by violent means, and are doing so? What have the EDL or Britain First or Ukip actually *done*; what ideas do they espouse that warrant the extremist tag you so casually assign to them, along with the rest of the mass media?

    There were Islamic protesters in Luton a while ago venting their discontent over the Danish cartoons with their placards, one bearing the slogan: “Behead Those Who Insult Islam”, protected by a cordon of Her Majesty’s finest. But if a native proposed beheading anyone who insulted England or the Queen his feet wouldn’t touch the ground…

    How is it “extremist” to want to oppose these people *in England*? From where I’m standing it’s *extremist* to allow them here in the first place, more so to protect them. Never mind that equivalent language on the part of the indigenous people would be considered a “hate crime”.

    • ProfessorPistov

      Well said

      • Sean L

        Cheers Pistov.

  • Oliver

    I found the book in a local Age Concern charity shop and bought it for a quid. It is VERY poor. It has no analysis. It is in no way a piece of ‘investigative journalism’ as is claimed.

  • Tom Sykes

    One thing that might make them angry is photographs that suggest they all have shaven heads and tattoos

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    Test

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    III spent the first half of February in Leicester, officially over 50% immigrant. Really felt at home, but then I had just arrived from multicultural Malaysia, where everyone seems to speak a different language.
    But face it, Brits on mass are pretty, drab, dreary, narrow-minded, unimaginative, uncreative, with zero fashion sense

    • Uzaydan Misafir

      I hear ya. I could say the same about my home country but like you I know it will be the wrong people that are coming.

      I don’t particularly like sushi or chicken vindaloo but if multiculturalism amounted to that then I’d be happy. I’d even be somewhat happy if there were a few Japanese or Polish[sic] immigrants.

      At the same time I read about Brexiters being very angry about an Englishman called Syed Kamali is being challenged in the EU parliament by those pesky Germans and other evil Europeans.

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        Your home country being?

    • Arthur Paulo Kamuntu

      What a pity, you are so disappointed. Britain is not the Paradise of your infantile dreams!! But, please, don’t blame the drub and ignorant Brits!! They never invited you to invade their Country!! Anyway, why don’t you re-pack your luggage and return to your Multi-Cultural Malaysia, which flows with milk and honey, before you get depressed and psychotic!! Britain already has so many dythamic immigrants and doesn’t need to facilitate another ISIL brigade of terrorist!! You are definitely a bad example of immigrants. Even though you may not consciously know it!! Go home, please!!

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        Your emotional, illogical response is based on a compound misunderstanding.
        Jack, the Japan Alps Brit (currently wintering in warmer climes)

        • Arthur Paulo Kamuntu

          Who is not emotional? I am happy that I don’t have to deny my emotions. And so I appreciate this is the White Man’s Space/Country. And so I have no right to invade it by force. People, like me with self-control of their emotions, show gratitude to their hosts [the Indigenous Britons] by not insisting to impose their alien customs and culture on them!! And especially, they don’t call them drub and stupid for insisting that the immigrants observe some standard of decent behaviour. I believe ISIL, the Blacks and Yellows, etc expect the Whites and Pinks, etc to respect their culture, customs and laws. That is why after the Whites had settled in Malaysia, etc, they were asked to leave if they did not accept to respect their hosts. Hey, Jack2, have you got the gists of the emotive APK’s argument?

  • NormanWells

    Being suspicious of strangers or those different than us is a survival mechanism.
    I’m quite sure none of my ancestors1200 years ago said anything like this: ‘Oh look. Square sails on the horizon. Getting closer. Now I see guys with red beards, carrying swords and wearing helmets with horns. Why don’t we go down and welcome them. Make sure their comfy and feel at home and valued. They are going to enrich our society. I wish there were more.’
    I know my ancestors wouldn’t have lived long enough to breed if they had ever said something like that.

    • OmnipotentWizard

      “Being suspicious of strangers or those different than us is a survival mechanism.” Exactly – I’d never go anywhere near a BNP or Pegida meeting.

      But I will be off for a curry tonight.

      • Icebow

        It’ll probably be made by muzz. I’ve given up going on that account.
        Re your moniker — are you a high-ranking KKK officer?

        • OmnipotentWizard

          You know, I rarely ask the religion of the person cooking my food in a restaurant – it’s just the way I am.

          • Icebow

            You cannot trust the muzz, if you are an infidel.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            I’m less of an infidel and more of a bon viveur.

          • Neil Saunders

            You won’t be for long when your Sharia-compliant pals are running things.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            Wizard Rule 58: If you have nothing to add then add nothing.

          • Neil Saunders

            What a shame that you don’t live by your own precept.

          • Mr B J Mann

            Typical lefty:

            Their rules are for everybody else!

          • Neil Saunders

            He’s not really a “lefty”, but a right-wing libertarian of the socially “liberal” variety. They’re nasty creatures, first sighted in California in the 1960s.

            He’s probably all in favour of both same-sex marriage AND the death penalty.

          • Sean L

            Though if you were dining in the Art Caffe in the Westgate Centre in Westlands, Nairobi a while back, when an armed group of your Islamic brothers arrived, they would have asked you yours on pain of death. And why shouldn’t it happen here? though possibly not in you local curry house…. Muslims are a far more visible presence and a higher proportion of the population in many urban areas here than in Nairobi, where the perpetrators were Somalians. You might not be so blasé about it then… Enjoy your meal!

          • OmnipotentWizard

            No – and neither was I on an island in Norway when Anders Breivik’s murdered 76 people in order to “…do battle against squishy “multiculturalism” and
            the onslaught of “Islamization”

            So what point were you failing to make?

          • Zaba

            islam is not a religion.
            What religion kills you for leaving?

          • OmnipotentWizard

            Christianity certainly does in some countries.

            “Maronite Christian militias perpetrated the Karantina and Tel al-Zaatar massacres of Palestinians and Lebanese Muslims during Lebanon’s 1975–1990 civil war. The 1982 Sabra and Shatila massacre, which targeted unarmed Palestinian refugees for rape and murder, was considered to be genocide by the United Nations General Assembly.A British photographer present during the incident said that “People who committed the acts of murder that I saw that day were wearing [crucifixes] and were calling themselves Christians.” (Wikipedia)

            AND

            “The Nationalist Socialist Council of Nagaland (NSCN) is also a Christian Naga nationalist Militant group operating in North India. The main aim of the organization is to establish a sovereign Christian state, “Nagalim” unifying all the areas inhabited by the Naga people in Northeast India and Burma.… The group reportedly indulges in kidnapping, extortion and other terrorist activities.NSCN is accused of carrying out the 1992–1993 ethnic cleansing of Kuki tribes in Manipur, said to have leave over 900 people dead.” (Wikipedia)

          • Dominic Stockford

            No-one who wears a crucifix is a Christian, they have failed to understand the importance of the resurrection.

            And neither of your ‘examples’ actually example what you claim – regardless how vile their behaviour is they are not ‘killing people for leaving Christianity’.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            That was a poor attempt at deflection Dominic.

            “…they are not ‘killing people for leaving Christianity’.” I expect that is a great comfort to their victims.

            “The National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT), is a rebel group that seeks the secession of Tripura, North-East India, and is a proscribed terrorist organization in India. Group activities have been described as Christian terrorists engaging in terrorist violence motivated by their Christian beliefs. The NLFT includes in its aims the forced conversion of all tribes people in Tripura to Christianity.The NLFT says that it is fighting not only for the removal of Bengali immigrants from the tribal areas, “but also for the tribal areas of the state to become overtly Christian”, and “has warned members of the tribal community that they may be attacked if they do not accept its Christian agenda”.[…Over 20 Hindus in Tripura were reported to have been killed by the NLFT from 1999 to 2001 for resisting forced conversion to Christianity. According to Hindus in the area, there have also been forced conversions of tribal villagers to Christianity by armed NLFT militants. These forcible conversions, sometimes including the use of “rape as a means of intimidation”, have also been noted by academics outside of India. In 2000, the NLFT broke into a temple and gunned down a popular Hindu preacher popularly known as Shanti Kali.” (Wikipedia)

            AND

            “Christian militia groups destroyed almost all mosques in the Central African Republic unrest In 2014, Amnesty International reported several massacres committed by the Anti-balaka against Muslim civilians, forcing thousands of Muslims to flee the country. Other sources report incidents of Muslims being cannibalized. (Wikipedia)

            Now let’s see how clever you are. What have these Christian groups got in common with ISIS that is not shared by Muslims is the UK?

          • Mr B J Mann

            So you’re saying it’s not a religious thing:

            It’s common to ALL darkies?!

          • OmnipotentWizard

            No – but you are getting closer. Have another go. See if you can work out what the Christians in the example I’ve given you have in common with ISIS. And then see if you can understand why that factors is not shared by the majority of Christians and Muslims in the UK.

            I think we might be getting somewhere in saving you from the Dark Side.

          • Mr B J Mann

            Oh, sorry, yes, they are uncivilized darkies from backward cultures who still believe in the uncivilized backward interpretations their uncivilized backward darkie cultures put on their Holy Books and no amount of education, integration, assimilation, or trendy lefty, blleedin heart, woolly “liberal” multiculturalism is going to change that for the forseeable future.

            After all, even the Democrats were lynching darkies less than a century ago.

            And even the “liberals” were promoting eugenics and euthanasia within the past century.

            In fact the “liberals” are still promoting eugenics and euthanasia in the current century.

            They’ve just taken a leaf out of Orwell’s book and renamed them Familly “Planning”, Assisted “Suicide” and “Care” Pathway!

            Happy now?!

          • Mr B J Mann

            So you’re saying that civilized countries and people shouldn’t support the organ traffiking terrorist Muslim Kosovan “state”?!

          • OmnipotentWizard

            That was a poor deflection BJ. Here are some more examples to dent your irrational “its only Muslims that are nasty” prejudices:

            “Christian militia groups destroyed almost all mosques in the Central African Republic unrest In 2014, Amnesty International reported several massacres committed bythe Anti-balaka against Muslim civilians, forcing thousands of Muslims to flee the country. Other sources report incidents of Muslims being cannibalized. (Wikipedia)

            AND

            “The National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT), is a rebel group that seeks the secession of Tripura, North-East India, and is a proscribed terrorist organization in India. Group activities have been described as Christian terrorists engaging in terrorist violence motivated by their Christian beliefs. The NLFT includes in its aims the forced conversion of all tribes people in Tripura to Christianity.The NLFT says that it is fighting not only for the removal of Bengali immigrants from the tribal areas, “but also for the tribal areas of the state to become overtly Christian”, and “has warned members of the tribal community that they may be attacked if they do not accept its Christian agenda”.[…Over 20 Hindus in Tripura were reported to have been killed by the NLFT from 1999 to 2001 for resisting forced conversion to Christianity. According to Hindus in the area, there have also been forced conversions of tribal villagers to Christianity by armed NLFT militants. These forcible conversions, sometimes including the use of “rape as a means of intimidation”, have also been noted by academics outside of India. In 2000, the NLFT broke into a temple and gunned down a popular Hindu preacher popularly known as Shanti Kali.” (Wikipedia)

          • Mr B J Mann

            ..!., !S!S loving troll!

          • OmnipotentWizard

            Now – lets see if you can take the next step away from the Dark Side BJ.

            Q. What factor have the examples of Christian atrocities I have given you got in common with ISIS that they haven’t got in common with UK Muslims and Christians?

            If you can get this right then you just may be on the track to getting back the ability for rational thought.

          • Mr B J Mann

            As I’m sure I’ve already pointed out:

            Yes, they are uncivilized darkies from backward cultures who still believe in the uncivilized backward darkie interpretations their uncivilized backward darkie cultures put on their Holy Books and no amount of education, integration, assimilation, or trendy lefty, blleedin heart, woolly “liberal” multiculturalism is going to change that for the forseeable future.

            After all, even the Democrats were lynching darkies less than a century ago.

            And even the “liberals” were promoting eugenics and euthanasia within the past century.

            In fact the “liberals” are still promoting eugenics and euthanasia in the current century.

            They’ve just taken a leaf out of Orwell’s book and renamed them Familly “Planning”, Assisted “Suicide” and “Care” Pathway!

            But I digress.

            That factors is not shared by the majority of Christians, light or dark, in the UK.

            And if it isn’t shared by the majority of Muslims in the UK it’s certainly shared by a substantial minority, because they are uncivilized darkies from backward cultures who still believe in the uncivilized backward darkie interpretations their uncivilized backward darkie cultures put on their Holy Books, and no amount of education, integration, assimilation, or trendy lefty, blleedin heart, woolly “liberal” welcoming multiculturalism or riding with them is going to change that for the forseeable future.

            And talking about !ncestuous, inbred, isolated, bubble dwelling dumb Democrats and know it all “liberals” who blindly stick to creeds and follow their dogma regardless of how dumb everyone else can see it to be, there’s some traits they share with the ncestuous, inbred, isolated, bubble dwelling, dumb, know it all members of ISIS who blindly stick to their creed and follow their dogma regardless of how dumb everyone else can see it to be.

            If you can get this right what these are then you just may be on the track to getting back the ability for rational thought.

            Happy now?!

          • Neil Saunders

            No, he’s just a free-market fundamentalist, open-borders, libertarian fruitcake who assumes that because he is currently living in an affluent, pleasant environment he’s somehow going to be permanently insulated from the forces his beloved markets and free movement of labour are unleashing.

          • Mr B J Mann

            That was a pathetically poor attempt at deflection 0nanistWazzock.

            And here is another example of your bigoted stereotyping prejudice:

            “Here are some more examples to dent your irrational “its only Muslims that are nasty” prejudices:”

            And it has no relevance to the post you are pretending to reply to.

            But, unlike you, I’ll respond properly:

            I never said it was only Muslims who are nasty.

            In fact I didn’t say anything about all Muslims.

            I asked you to confirm that you also disapproved of just one selected example of local Muslim unpleasantness.

            Your response was to decline to answer and deflect with a few more local examples of non Muslim nastyness you managed to find!

            They are rare and extreme examples you had to trawl the world for.

            The mosques were allowed to be built in the first place.

            You refer to a few unusual or untypical incidents being “reported” or ‘noted” in the sense of a rumour not a scientific result, and even if true the scale is in an entirely different league.

            Are there hundreds of Muslims being killed in the West by Christian Jihadis?!

            And how many of those have been eaten?!?!

            And how many millions of Muslim refugees are fleeing the UK because it’s been noted that some of them reported seeing crosses round the necks of people trying to eat them?!

            I think you are falling into the typical warped thinking that if a Rotheram schoolgirl is kissing one of the old men her groomer has forced her to entertain she is “devouring” him and she is so evil she should be stoned to death.

            You are clearly not a Muslim apologist:

            You are a Muslim troll!

          • OmnipotentWizard

            “I never said it was only Muslims who are nasty.” You just imply that by only mentioning Muslim atrocities. Typical Agent Provocateur tactic.

            “I asked you to confirm that you also disapproved of just one selected example of local Muslim unpleasantness.” Why particularly that unpleasantness and not all unplesantnesses (is that spelled correctly)? They are all….unpleasant.

            “They are rare and extreme examples you had to trawl the world for.” Incorrect. Four examples that show that it isn’t a specific religion that causes these type of incidents but the cause is…..now here is the bit that proves whether you are rational or bigoted because you have to finish the sentence.

            The rest of you post did degenerate a bit and I still can’t work out whether you are a Dupe or an Agent Provocateur.

            “You are a Muslim troll!” The final devastating insult!

            I am actually a Agnostic Rationalist.

          • Mr B J Mann

            Well sit on this and rationalise it you Agnostic Troll, I’m not going to waste any more time trying to reason with you:

            ..!.,

          • OmnipotentWizard

            If you are having trouble with the meaning of the word “reason” then there is an excellent online dictionary BJ.

          • Mr B J Mann

            No, unlike you, I’m familiar with the word and it’s use.

            Which is the reason I’m got nothing more to say to you than:

            ..!.,

            Put that in your Rule Generation Wizard!

          • Sanctimony

            At least the Catholic Church does not go beyond sodomising young boys and children ….

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            Everyone needs a hobby.

          • Icebow

            The Mafia.

      • Zaba

        halal, in part, funds jihad

        • OmnipotentWizard

          Evolution (or God) gave you a large brain and yet you still refuse to use it.

          • Icebow

            You used that one already, Smallbrain. Jihad = 1/8 of Zakat.

        • nuff said

          petrol -> oil -> saudi’s -> terrorists.

          take up cycling

    • red2black

      They did try! : ‘In 787 three Danish ships landed at Dorset. A royal official called a reeve went to meet them. He assumed the strangers had come to trade. Instead they killed him and sailed away.’

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    Brendan O’Neill is still banning me. Obviously hasn’t seen the memo yet.

  • Arthur Paulo Kamuntu

    I grew up in a family and community of parents and people who professed to be Evangelical Christians and were very hot at the Te Commandments: Especially about loving your neighbour as much yourself and not telling lies or carveting, etc. But even in that seemingly loving environment, all of us black people had coded named terms to distinguish us from the White people!! As the children were intrinsically sworn to the secrecy of never revealing the derogatory words we heaped on our White neighbours. It is sixty-two year, since I first visited the UK and almost 45-years since I have lived here permanently. But I know that: Although not every one is racists, racism rules in our hearts!! But it is not the heneous hatred of the Nazi-type against the Jews!! Non the less whatever type of hatred it is, the level of prejudices does not auger well for racial harmony. Talk of multi-culturalism as an ideal is okay. But it is a lie.

  • Arthur Paulo Kamuntu

    May we stop living a lie!! There is nothing worth believing in the term ‘multi-culture’. I had my first visit to the UK in 1954 [some 62-years ago this month]. And I have lived here for the last forty or so years; and I am happy with my life!! However, I find the strident buggering of my White compatriots with the multi-cultural Gospel very patronising!! Foreigners who chose to come here and even settle her must always respect the wishes and feelings of the indigenous Britons. As a child, my family was the beneficiary of the Colonial Administration and I lived in an Evangelical Christian Community where everyone was hot on mouthing the 10-Commandments, especially about loving our neighbours and not caverting their property!! But we were always breaking the cardinal rules

    • nuff said

      Exactly!!! We brought democracy, infrastructure, proper ENGLISH education to these third-world countries, and then rather then live in the near paradises’s we made, they come over here and take our jobs / benefits!! And don’t speak english!

      • Arthur Paulo Kamuntu

        And the Blacks and Darks and Chocolates [and the in-betweens, etc] are sincerely grateful. What is needed is balanced gratitude from both sides!! No man is an Island; entirely on his own!! We must all be kind and courteous towards one another!!

  • DEMOLITION12

    Multiculturalism is a codeword for White genocide

    • OmnipotentWizard

      Evolution (or God) has given you a large brain – why don’t you use it?

      • DEMOLITION12

        you support White genocide

        • OmnipotentWizard

          I support Melchester Rovers – but they’re imaginary as well.

          • Dominic Stockford

            You will find no evidence of welcoming ‘multi-culti’ in the Middle East, Africa, South America, or Asia. Interesting, that.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            I don’t care. I don’t live there.

          • Neil Saunders

            Where do you live? Do you care about that, either?

          • OmnipotentWizard

            I live in a country where we are more equal, wealthier, healthier & safer than at any time in history. I live in one of the least corrupt countries in the World. I live in a country where immigration and inward investment has made us rich. I live in a country where rallies by groups like Pegida get such a poor turn out that they are outnumbered by the media. I live in a country where I don’t ask the people I meet what religion they follow. I live in a country where no one staves, freezes or lives on the street for lack of available help. I live in a country where you are more likely to die from a bee sting than in a terrorist attack. I live in a country where there are people of all colours and religions and most people don’t care. I live in a country where if you want to work hard you can improve your lot. I live in a country that is one of the most meritocratic in the World.

            We are a mongrel nation which makes us strong well beyond the fact we are only 1% of the World. We are the UK!

          • Neil Saunders

            It’s not true that we are more equal than ever; the disparity between the richest and the poorest in the UK has been widening for at least the last two decades (and continues to widen):

            http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-32824770

            http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/britains-divided-decade-the-rich-are-64-richer-than-before-the-recession-while-the-poor-are-57-10097038.html

            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3365981/Gap-Britain-s-rich-poor-soars-5trillion-wealthiest-assets-soar-21-cent.html

            http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/apr/30/life-expectancy-increases-gap-widens-rich-poor-imperial-research

            I can tell you exactly where you live – in a bloody fantasy world.

            You’re just an unmitigated liar, aren’t you?

          • OmnipotentWizard

            Just Googling a few words and listing the URLs of those you think supports your point of view is lazy. However this is your lucky day as I actually did read the articles (the links that worked that is). I shall now summarise what they said: All sections a society are getting richer and the gap between the top sliver and the rest is growing.

            Does that give a true picture of equality? Well obviously not as it is just using a few people to compare against the rest of us. Here is an assessment that does cover all sections of society:
            “The ONS’s ‘Wealth and Assets Survey’ provides snapshots of recent distributions of household wealth in the UK…” It shows that the share of the UK’s wealth owned by the bottom 50% has actually increased since 2006 whereas the share of the top 10% has decreased. The only large change (increase) has been in the top 0.01%.” (Source: ONS (2014))

            This supports what the articles say but puts it in the proper context.

            In spite of what the telegraph article says there is an accepted measure for equality call the GINI coefficient. There is an excellent wiki article on this (be careful as the GINI coefficient for wealth and income are tow different things). Wiki will also show you the historic trends of the GINI coefficient but this IEA article will give you a good summary:
            “Wealth is distributed more unequally than income, but the degree of inequality has been fairly flat over the past 30 years, including after the financial crisis, having fallen substantially for much of the 20th century. There is some evidence that ‘net wealth’ has become more unevenly distributed since the crisis, but, on this same measure, levels of net wealth inequality are much lower in the UK than in most other developed countries to begin with. ” (iea website: Wealth inequality: the facts)

            The Guardian article is particular disingenuous. Unless you read it carefully you could get the false impression that for some sections of society life expectancy is falling. But everyone is living longer and the Guardian seeks to blame the Government for that – which seems a little perverse.

            “You’re just an unmitigated liar, aren’t you?” No – just someone who doesn’t let their prejudices stand in for the facts.

            Wizard Rule 3: A country can only redistribute wealth if it can create wealth to redistribute.

          • Neil Saunders

            An empirical generalisation can be refuted (i.e. shown to be untrue) with a single counterexample. You claimed that we are more equal, but all of the above links (which could be multiplied many times) agree that we are less so. Despite regurgitating their contents, you are guilty yourself of laziness if you cannot take a simple point.

            Neil Saunders Rule 1: Don’t say one thing and then claim that you said something else.

            Regarding the redistribution of wealth, I agree that it must be created to be redistributed. Query: Is this happening more in modern Britain than it was, say, in the Britain of 1945-75, when there were significantly fewer immigrants in both relative and absolute numbers, far more jobs in manufacturing industry (for indigenous workers, at that) that had not been rationalised out of existence and/or offshored to lower-wage economies abroad or given to cheap, imported labour, and greater regulation (at the nation-state level) of corporations, banks and other financial institutions?

            Meanwhile, in your alleged paradise of equality and plenty, here is an article (one of many on the topic which could be posted) which suggests that not everyone believes themselves to be, or – more significantly – actually is living in your putative Land of Milk and Honey:

            https://www.rt.com/uk/324771-heat-elderly-uk-winter/

            Neil Saunders Rule 2: Have a heart.

          • Neil Saunders

            Incidentally, if you think I have any intention of searching that nest of lies, Wikipedia, in order to access and peruse a tendentious, jargon-laden article by those free-market lunatics, the IEA, you have another think coming!

          • OmnipotentWizard

            “…all of the above links (which could be multiplied many times) agree that we are less so.” Only by comparing the very top sliver against the rest. Which is hardly a fair comparison.

            “Is this happening more in modern Britain than it was, say, in the Britain of 1945-75,” That is interesting. It was a fairly unequal society immediately post war and didn’t get much better (check the GINI coefficient for details) for quite a while. It did get more equal in the 1970s but this was done by making the rich poorer rather than the poor richer.

            “…when there were significantly fewer immigrants in both relative and absolute numbers,…” Plenty of Irish and Caribbeans.

            “…far more jobs in manufacturing industry…” And the country nearly destroyed itself trying to maintain these industries. We forgot the golden rule:
            Wizard Rule 62: Do what you can do and do it well. Don’t try to do what other can do better or cheaper.

            As for your article. There is nothing new in what it says – the same thing could have be written in any decade since forever. But remember that in the UK no one freezes, staves or is on the street through lack of available help.

            And also remember that now we have stopped trying to prop up moribund industries like steel, ships and coal with tax payers money we have been able to greatly increase benefits.

            “Have a heart.” By making sure the country earns enough money to support our social services.

            Wizard Rule 12: Capitalism feeds us but Unrestrained Capitalism would destroy us. Socialism gives us a conscience but too much socialism would make us starve.

          • Neil Saunders

            I have no intention of using a metric devised by crackpot free-marketeers (the GINI with the Deep-Blue Laissez-Faire). If you think Britain was less equal (economically) during 1945-75 than it is now, you clearly neither lived through the era nor have the slightest grasp of what the relevant sense of equality is in the current debate.

            The Irish and Caribbeans were a kind of advance guard for the mass immigration from elsewhere that we have since seen. Their presence was resented and feared at the time; with good cause, we now see (unless we are wearing our IEA blinkers).

            The point is that people ARE freezing and starving to death in the UK, however you spin it.

            The industries you refer to have simply been offshored to cheaper economies; they are no less necessary now than they were when (quite rightly) they remained at home, providing genuinely British jobs for genuinely British workers.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            “I have no intention of using a metric devised by crackpot free-marketeer…” Frightened it might dent your prejudices. As you are scared of reading the article I’ll given you the first paragraph:

            “The Gini coefficient is a measure of statistical dispersion
            intended to represent the income distribution of a nation’s residents,
            and is the most commonly used measure of inequality. It was developed by
            the Italian statistician and sociologist Corrado Gini and published in his 1912 paper “Variability and Mutability”

            Not a “crackpot free-marketeer” then.

            I lived through the 1960/70 and saw what was happening. We were less interested in equality than actually keeping the lights on. By 1979 the attempts to prop up failed industries had nearly bankrupted us.

            “…people ARE freezing and starving to death…” Incorrect. The heightened winter death rate does not correlate with temperate. It correlates with….if you really don’t know then I will tell you. And no one has starved.

            “The industries you refer to have simply been offshored to cheaper economies;…” Exactly! The only way to keep steel (for example) alive here would be for tax payer subsidies. We did this in the 1970 and look what happened – we destroyed profitable industries to keep moribund ones alive.

            “…they are no less necessary now…” And as we are richer we can afford to get other countries to do the work for us while we concentrate on the more clever stuff like – pharma, aerospace, space, telecoms, retail, banking, oil, mining (not coal), insurance, etc. These pay for our social services.

            They provide “…genuinely British jobs for genuinely British workers.” and pay the benefits of British Shirkers.

          • Neil Saunders

            Corrado Gini, of whom I must confess I had not previously heard (probably with good reason), appears (from the small researches I have recently made) to have been something of a crank (hence his obscurity). Just the sort of oddball figure that the IEA would use to prop up its heartless, devil-take-the-hindmost economic theology.

            I still don’t know what you understand by the term equality; you clearly don’t mean economic equality, since you support the widening gap between the richest and the poorest. Perhaps you mean the kind of identity politics, taken up by the faux-left and since adopted by the neoliberal establishment of the developed nations, that allows a castrated man to dress up in his elderly auntie’s clothes, call himself a “woman” and demand that everybody else (on pain of criminal, social and financial penalties) do exactly the same.

            The offshoring of heavy industries was to keep them cheap and profitable for private corporations, and for no other discernible reason. For example, rather than keep our own mines open and pay our own people a decent wage our neoliberal elites prefer to prop up their corporate sponsors by buying in coal from places like Colombia, which use child labour.

            You are making the mistake of assuming that per-capita wealth equates to quality of life. More and more wealth concentrated in fewer and fewer hands does not, however, mean an improvement for the majority. (The old Thatcher/Reagan myth about rising tides raising all boats.)

            The huge incidence of unemployment (which you ignorantly and heartlessly dismiss as “British Shirkers”) is caused by the combination of importing cheap foreign labour (which compresses wages, and leads to jobs being offered preferentially – often exclusively – to foreign workers).

            At the risk of seeming lazy (by actually citing sources, be it noted), here are some articles about all the (mostly) old people in the UK you (falsely) claim have not died in your Latter Day Land of Milk and Honey (in which such things are impossible on ideological grounds, not because they do not occur, but because they do not accord with the upbeat “official” version of events):

            http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/383823/Deaths-up-by-30-000-in-big-freeze

            http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/winter-freeze-led-to-31000-extra-deaths-last-year-against-a-backdrop-of-soaring-energy-prices-8965427.html

            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2513719/Number-deaths-linked-freezing-winter-increases-30-31-000-temperatures-fell-record-lows.html

            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/weather/11382808/Winter-death-toll-to-exceed-40000.html

          • OmnipotentWizard

            “Corrado Gini, …appears …to have been something of a crank” Just because you’ve never heard of him doesn’t make him a crank. I know nothing about him – in fact until this conversation I didn’t even know his first name. He was simply a statistician. The GINI coefficient however is widely used.

            “Just the sort of oddball figure that the IEA would use to prop up its heartless, devil-take-the-hindmost economic theology.” Just because you don’t like their analysis (which is back up by the ONS) it doesn’t make it wrong. In fact its finding show that UK society are anything but heartless. This is not a political point as both Labour & Conservatives have brought us here.

            “…the widening gap between the richest and the poorest.” That will depend how you measure it. If you were to compare the income of the top 0.5% to the average (which is a perfectly valid thing to do) then it would show equality was getting worse. If you were to compare the wealthiest 50% to the poorest 50% (which is also a perfectly valid thing to do) then it would show equality was getting better. So which is right?

            Both are right and that is why GINI is used to give a more balanced figure as it tries to take into account all deciles of the distribution.

            Of course trying to use a single figures to describe a complex situation is not ideal and a narrative descriptions is better. The best description of the current situation is – “all sections of society are getting more wealthy and a very tiny sliver at the top are getting a lot more wealthy”.

            I’ve not idea what you were on about with your crossdressing – so we’ll pass on that.

            “The offshoring of heavy industries was to keep them cheap and profitable for private corporations,…” No – it was to stop them going broke. Rich countries cannot do labour intensive industries without tax payer subsidies.

            “…rather than keep our own mines open and pay our own people a decent wage…” Where will those decent wages come from? Now from selling the coal it it cost more to mine than you can sell it for. They would have to come from the tax payer.

            “You are making the mistake of assuming that per-capita wealth equates to quality of life.” That statement could only have been made by someone living in a rich country.

            “More and more wealth concentrated in fewer and fewer hands…” We have already established that everyone is getting more wealthy.

            “The huge incidence of unemployment …is caused by the mass importation of cheap foreign labour…” That is plainly not true because:
            “Unemployment has fallen by more than 100,000 to its lowest level in over seven years, new figures have shown….The employment rate has reached 73.7%, the highest since comparable records began in 1971. (Yahoo 11/11/2015)

            “…here are some articles about all the (mostly) old people in the UK you (falsely) claim have not died…” I read the Telegraph article (I never read the Mail or Express because they rarely tell the whole story). It mentions the heightened winter death rates and says it is important for old people to keep warm. Unfortunately old people are often scared by the Express and the Mail and their scare stories and turn their heating down. The Telegraph is at least honest enough not to make a directly like between temperature and the increased death rate. The ONS has the best analysis of this:

            “…research has shown that although mortality does increase as it gets colder, temperature only explains a small amount of the variance in winter mortality, and high levels of excess winter mortality can occur during relatively mild winters …levels of influenza were important predictors of excess winter mortality. Thus, the relationship between temperature, influenza and winter mortality is complex.” (ONS Website)

            Some years it has got colder and the winter death rate has decreased from the year before.

          • Neil Saunders

            No, I decided that Corrado Gini was a crank as soon as I did a little bit of research about him; calling someone a crank simply because you have never heard of him makes no sense at all, and I have never heard of anyone doing such a thing. Having said that, in some ways he appears to have been on to something (to quote Cowper, “a fool must now and then be right, by chance…”); for example, in the Wikipedia entry dedicated to him we read the following:

            Organicism and nations
            Gini was a proponent of organicism and saw nations as organic in nature. Gini shared the view held by Oswald Spengler that populations go through a cycle of birth, growth, and decay. Gini claimed that nations at a primitive level have a high birth rate, but, as they evolve, the upper classes birth rate drops while the lower class birth rate, while higher, will inevitably deplete as their stronger members emigrate, die in war, or enter into the upper classes. If a nation continues on this path without resistance, Gini claimed the nation would enter a final decadent stage where the nation would degenerate as noted by decreasing birth rate, decreasing cultural output, and the lack of imperial conquest. At this point, the decadent nation with its aging population can be overrun by a more youthful and vigorous nation. [Wikipedia’s editors/contributors then virtuously conclude that this insight indicates Fascist sympathies.]

            I am not interested in purely technical arguments about a single commentator. The relevant question is this: Are the richer, on the whole, getting richer, while the poorest, on the whole (in either relative or absolute terms), are getting poorer?

            Both Labour and Conservative governments have indeed brought us to where we currently are. This is because both subscribe to neoliberal orthodoxy, thus removing any semblance of real choice from electors.

            My “cross-dressing” example was carefully chosen; equality has increasingly come to be considered in terms of identity politics and group rights rather than in economic terms.

            The heavy industries were not going broke; corporations were just eager to get their greedy hands on them, and were willing to use any lame excuse to do so. And just look at the privatised railways! They’re far more heavily subsidised now than they ever were when they were in public ownership.

            The true level of unemployment has been carefully and cynically disguised, not least by warehousing lots of not-very-bright young people in the ridiculously expanded university system, at the same time loading them with appalling levels of debt.

            You can pretend that old people are not dying from the cold in this country, if it comforts you. The facts tell a different story.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            “Are the richer, on the whole, getting richer, while the poorest, on the
            whole (in either relative or absolute terms), are getting poorer?” As you’ve seen form GINI, the IEA and the ONS (which all tell a compatible story) all sections of society are getting richer and the top sliver and the bottom half are doing better than most of the top half. In general equality is increasing slowly.

            “This is because both subscribe to neoliberal orthodoxy, thus removing any semblance of real choice from electors.” I’m not sure what “neoliberal orthodoxy” and I’m not particularly interested. The only system of Government that has even succeeded in raising the standard of living of all sections of society is the type of Capitalist Democracy we have now. Everything else eventually fails. Communism worked for a while (while killing millions) and then stalled. The current Chinese system is in transition from communism towards what we have. Fascism fails unless you have a war to go with it.

            “The heavy industries were not going broke;…” In the 1970s we had ship yards with ships they couldn’t sell, coal mines producing coal at prices well above what it could be imported for, etc. These were certainly broke.

            “And just look at the privatised railways!” Railtrack (which takes 75% of the subsidies) is nationalised – didn’t you know that? The operators get some subsidies which (in my opinion should be stopped).

            “The true level of unemployment has been carefully and cynically disguised,…”
            Wizard Rule 8: Just because you want something to be true that doesn’t mean it is.

            “…warehousing lots of not-very-bright young people in the ridiculously expanded university system,…” Now there we might agree.

            “… at the same time loading them with appalling levels of debt….” The loan is not a problem if they get a good job as the repayments are trivial. The loan is not a problem if they don;t get a good job as they don’t have to pay it.

            “You can pretend that old people are not dying from the cold in this
            country, if it comforts you. The facts tell a different story.” The facts you haven’t produced?
            “…research has shown that although mortality does increase as it gets colder, temperature only explains a small amount of the variance in winter mortality, and high levels of excess winter mortality can occur during relatively mild winters … levels of influenza were important predictors of excess winter mortality. Thus, the relationship between temperature, influenza and winter mortality is complex.” (ONS Website)

          • Neil Saunders

            First, Railtrack, a private company, no longer exists (neither does its successor, RT).

            Here is a Daily Telegraph article (since you refuse to read other papers) on old people in the UK dying in the winter from the cold:

            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/12015735/Winter-deaths-soar-as-elderly-suffer-in-cold-weather.html

            Some rather nice quotations extracted therefrom:

            From the main body of the article itself: “There were twice as many excess winter deaths [in 2014/15] than in the previous year, when there were 17,460 winter deaths.

            The 151 per cent rise is the biggest annual increase since 1967.”

            Janet Morrison (Chief Executive of Independent Age, an old people’s charity): “Countries like Finland and Germany have significantly lower levels of excess winter deaths, despite having colder winters than us.

            “The uncomfortable truth is that, as a country, we are not very good at coping with winter and some of these deaths are preventable. This isn’t just a story about cold weather; it’s a story about cold, damp and poorly insulated homes and pensioners who can’t afford to pay heating bills.” Did you get that last bit? PENSIONERS WHO CAN’T AFFORD TO PAY HEATING BILLS.

            We don’t have a capitalist democracy; we have a globalist oligarchy (of which neoliberalism is the orthodoxy at least at the lower levels of the management of the system) which, as Noam Chomsky rightly observes, practises “socialism for the rich”. It is anything but benign except for its rich clients at the top of the heap (and, to a far lesser extent, for the bribed and brainwashed underlings who administer it).

            Just repeating that your cherry-picked citations from the ONS and your references to controversial metrics devised by obscure statisticians or economists somehow make your point for you while closing your eyes and ears to anything that contradicts your belief system, which you hold completely a priori, is a supremely unpersuasive mode of argument.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            “First, Railtrack, a private company, no longer exists (neither does its successor, RT).” That is the very first time you caught me out. Well done. Of course it is now Network Rail.

            Now you really did shoot yourself in the foot with the Telegraph Article as it backs up what I told you (thank you). Here is a quote from it:
            “While the cold temperature is a factor, most of last winter was warmer
            than average. A major cause behind the rise was the flu virus, with
            estimates showing that the flu vaccine was not as effective this winter
            compared to previous years.”

            So – people don’t don’t freeze they catch flu.

            “globalist oligarchy” Another meaningless label.

            “It is anything but benign except for its rich clients at the top of the heap” As we have already seen all sections of society are getting richer – that seems pretty benign.

            “Just repeating that your cherry-picked citations from the ONS and your references to controversial metrics…” Just because you don’t like the consistent picture painted by multiple sources doesn’t make it wrong.

          • Neil Saunders

            You’re dead but you refuse to lie down. Did you bother to read the quotations I picked out of the Telegraph article? If so, what did they say? They didn’t just put the blame on nasty old flu; they stated that old people cannot afford to heat their accommodation.

            No doubt you’ll just throw back some crap from the IEA (an organisation so in love with neoliberalism that it makes the Adam Smith Institute look like the Tony Benn Appreciation Society), or credulously cite the “official” statistics from the ONS (having carefully chosen the ones that appear to support your cause).

          • OmnipotentWizard

            “Did you bother to read the quotations I picked out of the Telegraph article?” Yes and I reproduced the key passage in my post. In case you have trouble understanding here again is that passage from YOUR telegraph article:
            “While the cold temperature is a factor, most of last winter was warmer
            than average. A major cause behind the rise was the flu virus, with
            estimates showing that the flu vaccine was not as effective this winter
            compared to previous years.”

            Do’h!

            “They didn’t just put the blame on nasty old flu;…” But they mostly did. The telegraph article was complete compatible with the ONS when it says:
            “temperature only explains a small amount of the variance in winter
            mortality, … levels of influenza were important predictors
            of excess winter mortality.”

            There is lots of other research to back this up.

            You do seem to be digging yourself an ever bigger hole.

            Wizard Rule 23: If you put your fingers in your ears and hum loudly enough you’ll never hear anything to challenge your prejudices.

          • Neil Saunders

            If you sit at home (or – heaven forbid! – at work) devising these pompous little Wizard Rules (and solemnly assigning them numbers), as you clearly do, it’s fairly obvious that you’re either autistic or suffering from delusions of grandeur.

            Poverty has clearly and unmistakably been mentioned as a significant factor in the winter deaths referred to, so the only person digging a hole here is you. You have been exposed as a liar.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            You’ve humiliated yourself on this point and so I suggest you don’t compound that.

            “Poverty has clearly and unmistakably been mentioned as a significant factor…” Your ability to read both the Telegraph article and the ONS statement and then say something completely different to what they say is true is a wonder example of someone who is desperately holding on the crumbling prejudices. Once again:

            Telegraph – “While the cold temperature is a factor, ….A major cause behind the rise was the flu virus,”

            ONS – “temperature only explains a small amount of the variance in winter
            mortality, … levels of influenza were important predictors”

            Unless you are about to claim that the flu virus only targets poor people I suggest you stop digging.

          • Neil Saunders

            I am not talking about variance in temperature, which may be safely assumed to be relatively cold in winter; I am talking about variance in income.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            As the winter death rate is not due to temperature then it follows that older people have sufficient income to heat their homes sufficiently. QED.

            There is no poverty in the UK using the honest measure of Absolute Poverty.

          • Neil Saunders

            Wrong on both counts. But you don’t care, do you?

          • Neil Saunders

            It would be easier if you just stopped lying. But you can’t.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            It would be easier if you could produce a counter-arguiment. But you can’t.

          • Neil Saunders

            You refuse to accept any evidence that disproves your own a priori neoliberalism. I have repeatedly given you arguments, which you have either rejected out of hand, ignored or distorted to the point where they become their polar opposites. It is not my inability to produce arguments, counter- or otherwise, that is the issue, but your inability or unwillingness to acknowledge them for what they are.

            By the way, and I know it’s a purely informal measure, but one statistic that might interest you is this:

            To date, I have made 1704 comments on Disqus and received 2999 upvotes;

            To date, you have made 1413 comments on Disqus and received 496 upvotes.

            Others have attempted to argue rationally with you and given up in despair. They have my sympathy.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            You want to prove your prejudices that austerity has caused winters deaths – the evidence is firmly against you here. Even the article YOU referenced disagrees with this point.

            Wizard Rule 80: There are none so blind as those who don’t want to see.

            You also have to understand what upvotes are – they are simply people that share your prejudices. If upvotes on here counted for anything then Jeremy Corbyn would be PM by now.

            I’m here because this is where the enemies of reason are.

            My advice to you – count less upvotes and rely more on facts. And always read the whole article before referencing it if you don;t want to look like a twerp in future.

          • Neil Saunders

            You know where to stick your pompous “Wizard Rules” (although you would do well to apply Number 80 to yourself).

            Upvotes mean (except where dishonest people have upvoted themselves, or got their friends or allies to do so) that people agree with the sentiments expressed, not necessarily that they simply “share [the commentator’s] prejudices”.

            You ARE an enemy of reason.

            I always read all of what I link to (and don’t merely cherry-pick or distort the bits that seem to prove my point), so please spare me the cheap shots and the lazy personal slurs.

            I’ll continue to appreciate the support of reasonable people expressed in the form of upvotes given (and taken) in good faith.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            “I always read all of what I link to…” So why did you get it so wrong this time?

            BTW: I notice that you are no longer arguing that excess winter deaths are caused by austerity. So I guess some good (for you) has come out of this exchange.

          • Neil Saunders

            What did I allegedly get wrong? Be specific, if you can.

            Old people ARE dying in winter because of poverty. In what way am I no longer arguing that this is so?

            No good has ever come to anyone out of an exchange with you. You are sheer poison.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            “Old people ARE dying in winter because of poverty.” Not according to the post you referenced. So you still haven’t read the whole article. To save you the bother – here is the bit in the article the YOU referenced that proves you wrong: “While the cold temperature is a factor, ….A major cause behind the rise was the flu virus,”

            Which backs up the ONS statement “temperature only explains a small amount of the variance in winter mortality, … levels of influenza were important predictors”
            So people can afford to heat their homes enough not to die of the cold.

            Stop wriggling young man.

          • Neil Saunders

            Stop repeating the same lies.

          • You proved to me that the main factor effecting heightened winter deaths is flu and hence not effected by whether people can afford to heat their homes or not.

            Thank you for that.

          • Neil Saunders

            No, you “proved” that to yourself by cherry-picking the linked articles and ignoring anything that didn’t fit your favoured (mis-) interpretation.

            Thank you for never posting again. (A forlorn hope, I’m sure.)

          • I just pointed out what YOUR article said. You have suffered serious “egg on face” and no amount of wriggling will make any difference.

          • Neil Saunders

            No you didn’t. But that won’t stop you lying. The only thing I’ve suffered is your idiocy.

          • I’ve noticed that you always want to have the last word even when you have nothing to say.

          • Neil Saunders

            That’s a coincidence! I noticed exactly the same thing about you.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            “Poverty has clearly and unmistakably been mentioned as a significant factor in the winter deaths….” Not in the article you referenced. Here is the quote from YOUR article again:

            “While the cold temperature is a factor, most of last winter was warmer
            than average. A major cause behind the rise was the flu virus,…”

            After you have humiliated yourself so badly I suggest you change your handle.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            ….what I think you did was to only read the top part of the telegraph article and not right down to the bottom where the article completely destroyed your prejudices.

            I think this is the most amusing incident of someone shooting themselves in the foot I’ve seen in a very long time.

          • Neil Saunders

            Since you’re a proven liar, no sensible person could care less what you think.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            I would of thought that after making such a big fool of yourself on this (and completely proving my point for me) that you would have changed your handle and not posted for many months.

          • Neil Saunders

            “Would of”? Back to school! You lied about the ancestry of the English, you lied about old people dying of poverty, you repeat discredited or biased sources. Who’s the fool?

          • OmnipotentWizard

            Now that was a desperate attempt to cover your embarrassment.

            “…you lied about old people dying of poverty,…” Incorrect. I reproduced independent information to prove the point. Here it is again:

            “The Autumn 2014 total of rough sleeping counts and estimates in England was 2,744” (Rough Sleeping Statistics England – Autumn 2014 Official Statistics – ONS) AND “A total of 3,569 rough sleepers were identified by counts and estimates by local authorities in Autumn 2015, up from 2,744 a year before.” (BBC Online News 25/02/2016)

            “…you repeat discredited or biased sources….” Incorrect. I simply pointed out when the article YOU references said. I also pointed out what the ONS said which was completely compatible with YOUR reference. Here is is again:

            “…research has shown that although mortality does increase as it gets colder, temperature only explains a small amount of the variance in winter mortality, and high levels of excess winter mortality can occur during relatively mild winters … levels of influenza were important predictors of excess winter mortality. Thus, the relationship between temperature, influenza and winter mortality is complex.” (ONS Website)

            I then suggested that in future you actually read any article before posting the URL to make sure that is does support your argument otherwise you’ll end up looking a fool again.

            I shall now have a glass of Merlot.

          • Neil Saunders

            You’ve been hitting the Merlot a bit too hard. I was talking about old people too poor to heat their accommodation, not the homeless.

            I suggest that you calm down and think before spouting your bile.

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            Mine’s a double Irish with a Guinness chaser.

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            ” We are the UK!”
            Stop kidding around.

          • I have read your post twice and taken independent advice and can now assure you that it contains no counter-arguments.

          • Neil Saunders

            The vast wave of immigration into Europe in general and Britain in particular is not imaginary.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            Its also not genocide.

          • Neil Saunders

            If foreigners outbreed us (as they will on current trends) of course it’s genocide. They are not us.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            They won’t. With every previous wave of immigration two things happen:
            1. By the third generation birth rates fall to UK norms, and
            2. The immigrants become British

            No one seriously looks at a negro now and says “that person will have different standard, likes and lifestyle than me” but they would have done in the 1950/1960s.

            Anyway global birth rates are falling:
            “The average number of viable children per woman is now about two globally. This means that all future population growth is now a result of increased longevity.” (Gapminder Foundation)

          • nuff said

            2nd / 3rd generation followers of ROP, living in ROP enclaves going to become jihadist?

          • Neil Saunders

            Where is your evidence for assertions 1. and 2.? Will falling birth rates (assuming that they are happening and that they will continue) occur soon enough and on a scale sufficient to halt the huge mass migration to the developed world?

            An individual negro is a human being of a particular racial group and we can assume nothing about his or her adaptability to a host culture, but Muslims, for example, taken as a group are adherents of a specific ideology, one – for reasons internal to itself – especially reluctant to compromise and resistant to assimilation.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            Every single save of immigrants have gone through the same process: Anglo-Saxons, Jews, Huguenots, Irish, Caribbean, Indian, Ugandan, More Jews, Chinese….

            “…but Muslims, for example, taken as a group are adherents of a specific ideology,…” The Jews are a better parallel. There are many people who come from Jewish ancestry who are now no longer Jews (so successful has integration been that most you wouldn’t even realise). We even had a Prime Minister of Jewish descent for heaven sake.

          • Neil Saunders

            Ahh, the false “passing pageant” model of British history, which pretends that mass migration is just business as usual, and that there was never any long-settled, dominant racial/cultural group.

            This is patently false, despite desperate revisionism in recent history books about Britain (and especially England), which prefer multicultural fantasy to monocultural (and -racial) truth.

            The Romans contributed almost nothing to the gene pool of Britain; they built a couple of walls and a few roads, and then left.

            In England, pace the revisionist, feelgood modern history books (which peddle a politically correct myth), the Britons were largely displaced in England by the Anglo-Saxons (otherwise their language and culture would not have been so utterly effaced by that of the conquerors).

            The Vikings were close in language, culture and race to the Anglo-Saxons, who vastly predominated in England, while the Normans were Latinised Vikings and Franks (another closely related race to the English), who in any case constituted only a small ruling elite. Unlike the Britons, the English retained their language and culture (even if it absorbed Norman French influences). This would not have happened if the English had been a minority in the general population (as the revisionists improbably speculate) and/or the Normans numerous.

            Despite tiny incursions of Flemish and Huguenots (closely related racially and culturally to the English), there was very little immigration into Britain for nearly 900 years after the Norman Conquest in 1066.

            The present wave of mass immigration, on a scale and at a pace that are without historical precedent, occurred after the 1948 Nationality Act (brought in by Attlee’s Labour administration), and massively increased after 1997, with Blair’s deliberate desire to “rub the right’s nose in diversity” (the “right” here being anyone with reservations about open-door mass immigration).

            For an accurate account of immigration to this country before 1948, consult Eva M. Hubback’s “The Population of Britain”, published by Pelican in that same fateful year.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            “The Romans contributed almost nothing to the gene pool of Britain;…” They left a few Syrians and Nubians (Sudanese) and we are probably all descended from them.

            “…the Britons were largely displaced in England by the Anglo-Saxons..” That is certainly incorrect as they lived side-by-side with the Celts and slowly interbred. A bit like Muslims in the UK in fact.

            “The Vikings were close in language, culture and race to the Anglo-Saxons, …” Not by the time they arrived in the post-Roman period. The anglo-celtic-romano mash-up they found was very different from the viking culture.

            “…the Anglo-Saxons, who vastly predominated in England,…” Recent DNA has shown they were just as much Celt as Anglo-Saxon; they obviously has lots of fun interbreeding. Anyway you can’t just assume it is England. The Heptacy included Lothian, & Galloway but excluded Cumbria & Cornwall.

            “Unlike the Britons, the English retained their language and culture …” Incorrect. The English written language was completely eclipsed for example. And by the time English language become the official language (Henry III I think but you’ll have to check) then England was a very different place to pre-1066. It was feudal for a start.

            “Despite tiny incursions of Flemish and Huguenots (closely related
            racially and culturally to the English), there was very little
            immigration into Britain for nearly 900 years after the Norman Conquest
            in 1066.” As a percentage of the population that certainly isn’t true. The Jews came here in great numbers over the centuries, the numbers from the Irish Famine (c1740) dwarf the current numbers and following the revocation of the Edict of Nantes in 1685 great numbers of French Protestants came here.

            “The present wave of mass immigration, on a scale and at a pace that are without historical precedent, …” Obviously not as I’ve just shown you.

          • Neil Saunders

            To take your last point first (and proceed backwards thereafter), you’ve shown nothing but merely asserted it.

            What percentage of the population were Jews at any one time? Are there any reliable figures?

            If you are referring to the research of amateur geneticist Stephen Oppenheimer (a paediatrician by profession), then his version of events (together with his absurd account of the origin of the English language) has been roundly condemned. Here, for example, are two contributions from the linguist, Geoffrey Sampson:

            http://www.grsampson.net/qoppenheimer.html

            http://www.grsampson.net/QBirthOfEng.html

            If the population of England after the Fifth Century AD had really been an “anglo-celtic-romano mash-up”, why are there virtually no Celtic words in the English language? If the Britons had survived in any numbers we should at least have expected the language to be an Anglo-Brythonic creole (with a large admixture of Latin, if the Romans had really contibuted significantly to the population; it was not and is not, and Latin words only began to become numerous in the English language (at any rate, among the educated class) during the Middle Ages and Renaissance, with the revival of Classical scholarship, long after the Romans as a society even existed, let alone could exert any direct influence. Along with that, virtually every place name in England is either Anglo-Saxon or Norse; the few Celtic place names that survive are either in the disputed Welsh Marches (where Anglo-Saxon names also appear on the Welsh side of the modern boundary) or are the names of rivers or large towns and cities, which would already have been in international currency (e.g. London).

            The Britons were largely displaced from England, for the reasons given above; there is virtually no trace of their language in ours, and only relatively few place names whose survival is easily accounted for. The present-day Muslims in Britian are living so peacefully alongside us that they are being constantly monitored by the police and security services in case any more of them blow us up or behead us in the street (as some already have).

            Your suggestion that Nubians and Syrians constitute any meaningful part of the historic population of England is laughable and born of both desperation and a malicious desire to mislead.

          • Cena Foura

            Utter bullshit, and if it were not bullshit that you were spewing, the London, the flagship of western civilisation, would not be sporting a shoddy jihadist muslilm as a mayor. Shame on Britain!

          • You did know that non-Muslims voted for Khan. You narrow-minded World is crumbling.

            In a hundred years when a little boy (who is slightly darker skinned than you are) asks “I wonder if great-great granddad Cena would have liked me?”
            What do you think the answer should be? “He would have hated you for some irrelevant reason”?

            The child will almost certainly be: agnostic, moral, law abiding and English speaking. He will be healthier & wealthier than us. He will be proud to be British. He will be part of you.

            Wizard Rule 5: It is better to be in favour of something that is inevitable as that way you will not be disappointed when it happens.

          • Cena Foura

            They are not us very much so. They are people who think it is their religious duty to serve allah, who must ultimately rule the world, through islamically inspired third world barbarians who think they are divinely appointed to oppress you.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            Quite right. And into Britain it isn’t vast and into Europe it is slowing down as Syria subsides.

          • Neil Saunders

            So you say. The figures tell a different story.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            No they don’t – your turn.

          • Neil Saunders

            Why don’t they? Your turn.

          • Cena Foura

            Muslim migration jihad is not imaginary, and the numbers given are well below reality…..muslims hate people like you….

          • I asked Mr Akram who runs our corner shop if he hated his white customers – he said he thought that would be bad for business.

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        God has nothing to do with it, because God doesn’t exist.

        • OmnipotentWizard

          And you know God doesn’t exist because…?

          Wizard Rule 24: Atheism is just another religion without a deity.

          • red2black

            Religion means rejoining with God.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            I have a rule for most occasions:

            Wizard Rule 1: God didn’t create religion; religion created God.

          • red2black

            Whether God created Man, or Man created God, or there isn’t a God at all,
            ‘religion’ means rejoining with God.

          • Cena Foura

            religion means a doctrine and rituals decided on by mankind, and has nothing to do with God at all… as Jesus Christ showed us poor lost and forlorn human beings.

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            Now you’re gettibng warm.

          • Cena Foura

            Every informed human being should know by now that religion is a man made organisation.

          • Zaba

            Is allah in the same category?

        • Cena Foura

          Prove that God does not exist.

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            I don’t have to. You’re the one peddling the after-life insurance.

      • Tom Cullem

        Oh you’ll change your mind when we recolonise Africa and the Middle East and start to crowed out black and brown people – suddenly “multiculturalism” will be about genocide.

        The poster may be being a bit hyperbolic, but it the point is not without merit: “multiculturalism” assumes all cultures are equally valuable and good and wonderful and therefore, it should not be a problem to let in tens of thousands of Somalis into London who want to slice up their daughters’ genitals so they can find “respectable” husbands in the community.

        And the UK government, terrified of imposing western European values (read: white) on these wonderful newcomers . . . lets European values go by the by, too reluctant to seem “waycist” to stop the carnage.

        It is a form of genocide: cultural genocide. The burka should have been banned across Europe decades ago, so that we would have more chance of letting people in who really do share our values, instead of those who are just here for the money.

        Taken a look at Sweden lately? It was 30 years ago a peaceful, beautiful, clean, culturally coherent place. Now, it is a ruined country with a neo-Nazi party rising in the polls. You may thank “multiculturalism” for that.

        • OmnipotentWizard

          p”…you’ll change your mind when we recolonise Africa and the Middle East and start to crowed out black and brown people…” When will this happen?

          “…The poster may be being a bit hyperbolic, but it the point is not
          without merit: “multiculturalism” assumes all cultures are equally
          valuable…” That depends how you define culture.

          “….it should not be a problem to let in tens of thousands of Somalis into London who want to slice up their daughters’ genitals…” And you know ten thousand people have undergone FGM because?

          “And the UK government, terrified of imposing western European values…” You can’t impose values (my values are very different from the BNP for example) but you can enforce the law. The UK Government doesn’t enforce the law because of the way our constitution separates legislature and judiciary.

          “It is a form of genocide: cultural genocide.” That depends what you believe culture is? In what is happening is called “personal freedom” which IS part of the UK culture.

          “The burka should have been banned…” That would have been at direct odds with the culture you think is being killed. I shall call you the “King of the Double Standard”.
          Banning things is the sign of a society that has lost confidence in itself and its moral superiority. Now I know our capitalist secular democracy is the best system of Government anywhere anytime and as such I know all other religions, customs and political systems will fade naturally.

          This isn’t Sweden. Here when Pegida call a march then the number of people that turn up are outnumbered by the press and the marchers are ridiculed by both mainstream and social media. It makes you proud to be British.

          • Vinnie

            Are you sure? Pegida is legit and is proving the Left to be the animals they really are

          • OmnipotentWizard

            If you are having trouble with the word “proving” then there is an excellent online dictionary.

          • Cena Foura

            Dumb speak… nothing to say, move on… he thinks he might just know something, which he doesn’t really know, but chooses to follow his own blind bias and prejudice, because he is a zombie…..

        • Cena Foura

          All cultures are not equal. We should recognise the openly obvious fact that christianity produced the most advanced and safest of communities, where law and order, individual human rights and freedoms applied, in a secular manner. The so called nazis whom are branded as such by the leftists marxist islamists media, are the ones who are in fact just ordinary citizens defending their own from a violent assault on their safety and prosperity, by third world, poverty stricken islamist marxist indoctrinated enemies of europeans.

      • Cena Foura

        Why is it that evolution gave human beings a brain too big for it to fully use? Doesn’t evolution base its premise upon the fact that systems evolved from a need first? So why over anticipate the need for human brains? Devolution has occurred, not evolution. Stupid.

        • The old “we only use a small part of our brain” cliche is over used. We don’t really know enough about the that organ to say one way of the other. We’ve only just found out what the appendix is used for…

    • The Reincarnated Sausage

      Coudenhove-Kalergi Plan

  • Jez

    I want to now smash up my Office work station.

    Thanks Rod.

    • Cena Foura

      Be aware of the big bad wolf, he is not as big as he likes to appear.

  • Jeff Haushofer

    Why is it that every article about the white working-class is accompanied with a picture of the back of some EDL members tattooed head? I’m aware that Liddle’s article is a critique of such middle-class Guardian bigotry and hate, but even so. It’s a sickening trope that needs to be put to rest. The vast vast majority of working-class people do not look like that.

    • red2black

      Stereotypical white working class coppers as well?

      • Jeff Haushofer

        Yes, and stereotypical Anarcho-syndicalists who wish they were working-class.

        • red2black

          I’m a white working class Englishman. At the moment I’m reading Oswald Spengler’s ‘Decline Of The West’. I’m interested in the Anarchists in the Spanish Civil War, so I read books about it; that’s all.
          I read George Orwell’s ‘Homage To Catalonia’ when I was young and carried on from there.

          • Jeff Haushofer

            Fair enough. I found Spengler a boring pessermist. Try Junger and Stirner, if you haven’t already. Teal2Black is the only sane option right now.

          • red2black

            They’re on my list.

          • Sig Ruman

            Try Joseph Conrad’s Secret Agent for early 1900 Brit anarchy.

          • red2black

            Will do.

          • Cena Foura

            My extensive research regarding anarchism is that it is a very tiny small fringe movement that is being exploited as a cover for the real destroyers of western civilisation, who are the islamo-marxists, joined with masons, who are co-opting any forms of legitimate dissent for the sake of waging islamic jihad, as the false prophet mahomet, under the fog of the violence that is appropriated to the legitimate protestors, the ones who are under genocidal attack by muslims and marxists.

    • Sean L

      Institutional racism.

  • Dominic Stockford

    If you want a decent book to read try “This is London” by Ben Judah.

  • EUSSR 4 All!

    Except that Taiwanese woman, or woman journalist, or whatever, has returned back to Taiwan years ago (having first come into prominence in England after agreeing to cover the Morecambe Bay Incident for the Grauniad as a sob story back in the year 2004, in collaboration with the BBC and the Labour Government) … so, who is actually the ghostwriter?

  • Sue Smith

    Imagine that you’ve taken a jar of water out of a large rural river. You look at the water and it seems fairly clear and healthy. The jar sits for a while and you then discover that sediment has drifted to the bottom, leaving the water above it quite a bit clearer.

    What we have now is a society, through vested interests of victimhood, minority groups who need ‘restitution’ (but who really deserve to be saved from themselves), cultural marxism which has turned our historical values on their end and the endless culture of complaint and insistence that the most suspect of behaviour is now a ‘human right’. What has actually happened is that the jar of river water has been upended and the sediment which was once at the bottom is now at the top, but it slowly muddies the water again. The clear water is the vast majority of hard-working, independent and responsibility-accepting taxpayers we have left in our societies. They can look forward to that clarity no more.

    Next time you hear some minority whining about his/her/their lot remember they really are just the sediment at the bottom of the jar who want to be back at the top!!

  • Pretty_Polly

    David Cameron says….

    ‘The truth is if we are going to build that strong inclusive and vibrant society we need…… many more Muslim men and women at the top of British businesses , many more Muslim soldiers in the highest levels of command and of course more Muslims in our parliament so there is not just one Muslim in the cabinet and one in the shadow cabinet but British Muslims all across government in positions of leadership and authority’.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHqRtLeI_pE

    • Core Macro

      What could go wrong really, sooner the better O.o

    • Cena Foura

      Jodi was an islamic jihad on Buckinghim Palace via Princess Diana, which was halted, to the travail of muslims, not kaffirs…..

  • Shattah Flochasparras

    They are bitter,the opportunities will not be for their children.
    The most derided group in our society are young white males.
    I hope they find a way of fighting back

  • Mr Grumpy

    One is tempted to hope that Ms Pai’s researches have taken her to Brussels this week.

  • raymondffoulkes

    Sound like she’s pretty much on the ball to me…

    • Frank Marker

      More like ‘balls’ actually.

    • EUSSR 4 All!

      Within the SWP?!

  • Roger Hudson

    Spot on as ever, Rod!

  • EUSSR 4 All!

    I bet a British Fiver that it is Nick Bloomfield who actually ghostwrote this, and he borrowed that Taiwanese woman journalist’s or woman’s (whatever!) name as a cover, although with her permission.

    • Cena Foura

      Agreed! it is subterfuge and deceit under layers and layers of disguise but ultimately portrays the islamist marxist mason globalist agenda which muslims are the prime suspects acting as fodder for the war machine of the destroyer of humanity, all evil pagan cults to be utterly rejected.

  • EnemyoftheState

    Asians are pretty smart generally. It looks like she slipped through the net.

    • EUSSR 4 All!

      Not if she is being paid handsomely by her ghostwriter mates inside the SWP!

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    Err… Matthew Doyle …
    Come on you fearless defenders of free speech and civil liberties, get your finger out.

  • Simon Saunders

    Same old Rod, accusing other people of shoddy research and just a few sentences later suggesting “roughly once a week Luton is in the news because a family of jihadis has been arrested” …

  • Mike E

    Hsiao-Hung Pai is so openly an Islamophile and “racist hunter” that the book is nothing but a shameful, dishonest (or stupid?) ideological statement.

  • Jack_H

    Be fun if Pai did a similar book about her native Taiwan and its immigration policy,they have strict draconian laws about who can settle,have a robust deportion policy and have almost never granted ‘asylum’ anyone who isn’t ethnically Chinese.Yet far right poliics and organisations abound and openly racist TV pundits sneer at non chinese and extol the virtues of their culture and ethnicity…………curious that she chooses not to comment on this.

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