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Sabs don’t want to stop fox-hunting; they never did

That’s why they dress up in balaclavas and boiler suits and try to thwart a pretend hunt

24 October 2015

9:00 AM

24 October 2015

9:00 AM

Devotee of the old ways though I am, I can just about understand why a misguided animal lover might oppose fox-hunting.

If you enjoy eating KFC while pretending the chicken you are eating hasn’t suffered, then it follows that you will worry about the feelings of a fox who would rip the same chicken to pieces if it were kept in nicer conditions. It doesn’t make any sense, or help animals, but it is something sentimentalists do.

I cannot begin to understand, however, why such a person would oppose pretend hunting.

I can grasp perfectly well why one would have to sneak around if one were hunting foxes. But I’m struggling with the concept of sneaking around as one doesn’t hunt foxes. Hunt saboteurs? Yes, I see that. Sabs trying to thwart a pretend hunt? Sorry, I just don’t get it.

There I was in my best navy jacket, the hunter pony all plaited up for a day out. The runner had set off with his sack of eau de fox, jogging laboriously across a field. After a speech from the hunt master, we all set off after him, hounds first then the field of riders.

You can tell you are trail hunting because it isn’t at all the same. When you were real hunting the hounds went off like the clappers and got on a scent. Pretend hunting, they lumber along in a straight line following the boring pre-laid smell of ‘here’s one I shot earlier’.

They must know it’s that or permanent unemployment, because they look as enthusiastic as they can. If you stare into the eyes of one of these formerly proud beasts, his hangdog expression will remind you of nothing so much as a former City boy who, since the banking crisis, has been reassessed by some ghastly job centre and told they must put on an apron and stack shelves in Tesco.


It’s a job. So they put their heads down and sniff, pretending to be happy. ‘No, I’m enjoying it, I really am!’ they yowl. ‘No, seriously! I’m glad to do it. Mmmm! Shot fox in sack! My favourite.’

On we rode, jumping the odd cross country jump placed there earlier. Every time we passed a dog walker we would call out ‘good morning!’ or ‘thank you!’ to awkwardly anoraked groups of Duke of Edinburgh youngsters who stood aside for us to pass.

We really were beyond reproach: the unimpeachable in pursuit of the not even remotely turnable-into-anything like a nice coat or hat because it was, in accordance with the law, a shot fox in a sack.

And then suddenly, as we galloped across some gorse-covered common land, I realised we were being pursued by a pack of men in black. They were running towards us over the heather holding their phones high in the air as they videoed us.

‘Morning!’ everyone called out, cheerfully, to the men in black.

‘What the…?’ I asked the rider next to me. ‘Sabs,’ she said. A police Land Rover loomed on the top of the hill and as we passed it with the ragged-looking lead sab running alongside us, a copper leaned out of the window and called, ‘Oi, Marky! We had your brother in last night! You behaving yourself these days?’

Marky didn’t answer, but kept running after the non-fox-hunters. As we picked up speed, he cut across the heather to meet us as we cantered down the hill. Then he evidently got fed up of running and disappeared.

But when the horses pulled up at the end of a farm track to cross a road, the heavies came out. Three or four huge sabs dressed in black boiler suits and balaclavas started walking towards us purposefully, slapping their fists into their hands as if practising what they were going to do.

Another police Land Rover sat nearby, apparently watching from a safe distance. ‘Where are the cops?’ I said, starting to panic. The faces of two small children on ponies said it all: ‘Mummy?’ one said to her mother next to her.

The hunt master called at the heavies: ‘You’re on private property! This is not common land. Turn back!’

After a tense stand-off of a few minutes, the sabs in boiler suits reluctantly turned around. ‘Let me get this right,’ I asked one of the other riders. ‘The police are sitting there as we, law-abiding citizens, try to protect ourselves from men dressed like paramilitaries threatening violence against us?’ She nodded. ‘But we’re not hunting anything!’

She shrugged. ‘It’s a day out for them as well.’

Ah! I finally realised. The sabs don’t want to stop fox-hunting. They never did. They’re furious that we trail hunt within the law. They need to pretend we’re still old-style hunting. Because it gets them out the house.

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  • Seldom Seen

    Hunt sabs are about class war, not about hunting itself. They couldn’t care less about animal welfare, it’s the people they’re after. And if they hurt a horse into the bargain, well … fortunes of war innit? Unfortunately, they do not understand that hunting covers all classes. Yet still they persist in believing that hunting is for ‘toffs’.

    • Whistlejacket

      Innit? Toffs? Haha, I get it…

    • Old farm lad

      Coz horses and tack are tuppence a dozen… idiot.

    • Deborah Rushton

      Shame you aren’t “seldom heard” as well when you spout rubbish like that! I have never known a sab who would hurt a horse or even the dogs from the hunt – it isn’t the animals that are doing wrong, it is the inhuman cretins on horseback that are doing that!

      As to “class war” – if that’s the way you want to see it then so be it: you are incapable of dealing with the truth of your vicious cruelty and accusing others of doing this merely for a “class war” probably makes you feel better!

  • Ordinary Man

    And yet again the police fail us

  • claireannejames

    “The runner had set off with his sack of eau de fox,” there’s the problem right there, as I’m sure you well know. The MFHA instructs all member hunts to use fox scent. So foxes are still hunted, since the hounds can’t differentiate between a real fox and a laid trail (if indeed they bother laying one – hunt monitors often find no evidence of this being done). And the sickening thing: this is quite deliberate, so that hunting of live foxes can continue, and they can plead ‘accident’. Blatant flouting of the law. And therefore sabs are out there to protect foxes, obtain evidence and attempt to get the law applied to these law-flouting bloodthirsty cretins. USE ANISEED or chemical scent, like the TRUE drag hunts do, and the problem vanishes. But oh no, you refuse to do that don’t you. Because illegal hunting is the absolute intention.

    • PasserBy

      Don’t pretend for a second you give a damn about the foxes.

      • Aura Willow Hazel

        why not? It’s the truth

        • Whistlejacket

          Thank goodness they don’t care about me then, that kind of care is not wanted by anyone, or any animal…

          • Tina Henderson

            Whistlejacket, methinks you do protest too much…if you hunt, you care about nothing but your own pleasure and that is not the good measure of a human.

        • PasserBy

          No, it’s not. Because you wouldn’t be wasting your time attacking people with iron bars, harassing and intimidating innocent people and trespassing, you’d be up north protesting outside Hollyrood.

          • Aura Willow Hazel

            first off that was proven in court to be BS. A friend of mine was attacked with a SCYTHE by a hunt supporter a few years back, they were finally charged in court. Another had a huntsman ride into ger at a gallop deliberately, the court case is ongoing. trespass by the way is a civil offense . If a CRIMINAL offense is being permitted on the land it becomes civic duty to oppose it. Hunting with hounds is a wildlife crime, a CRIMINAL offense

          • Tamerlane

            Tut. Tut. Poor performance. Lessons to be learned. Next time sharpen that scythe and ride harder and do humanity a favour.

          • Aura Willow Hazel

            oh so you advocate murder now, well least we know the savage quality of a hunts supporters from this.

          • Tamerlane

            Blah, blah. Vermin looks after vermin. Takes one to know one etc.

          • JustSomeChap

            Jill Hadfield, you are a cancer on humanity.

          • Todd Unctious

            No he is worse than that. He works for the Barclays.

          • Jill Hadfield

            Oh my God. Now that is threatening violence in a different light. Sounds like a Jihadist. You a sick scum.

          • Tamerlane

            Oh bless, how sweet. Here have an upvote from me.

    • Rob Hill

      Get off your bloody high horse.

    • mdj

      Just for curiosity, what is your favoured method of death for a fox? I’m pretty sure they don’t draw pensions. How does nature treat them that is so preferable to being killed by a hunt?

    • Old Nick

      What do you know about hounds. Not much

  • Digito Crepitus

    It’s not a fake hunt if you accidentally ‘stumble’ over a foxes trail and fail to call off the hounds. Why not use a different scent to avoid confusion?

  • Rob Hill

    Class War and nothing more. Covering their faces is and act of cowardice. They are no better than DA’ESH without the beheadings.

    • Ines

      cause the terrier men NEVER cover their faces, right?
      For ever sab with a covered face, there are terrier men with covered faces.
      Though I never cover my face, I haven’t got a thing to hide

      • Old Nick

        Dear Me, and some of those terrier men they speak with local accent, don’t you know. Go back to a city and take your snobbery with you.

        • Ines

          Hard, as I live in the country. But if you want to try and dictate to me l where I can and can’t live go ahead and try. I own outright, and I am not moving, ‘don’t you know’.
          And he has the cheek to call me a snob….

    • Whistlejacket

      They cover their faces because hunts send terrier men thugs in boiler suits, to burn the sabs cars, to slash their tyres, put disgusting things through their letter boxes and such like….I don’t know about beheadings, but hunts definitely rip live animals limb from limb.

    • Mary Ann

      I don’t think so.

    • Pioneer

      Slight exaggeration, but they are certainly thugs.

  • Whistlejacket

    Really? Does this person believe the public are stupid, that she will educate them with this nonsense? Perhaps I’m misjudging her, maybe it’s just a clumsy attempt at satire.

  • Cori Ryan

    What an absolute load of rubbish – does anyone actually believe this? I have seen ‘drag hunts’ and they usually involve the hounds going after a fox, they are a poor attempt to cover up illegal activity – but then they don’t really need to cover it up when the police know full well what they are doing but don’t give a damn

  • Old farm lad

    “If you enjoy eating KFC while pretending the chicken you are eating
    hasn’t suffered, then it follows that you will worry about the feelings
    of a fox who would rip the same chicken to pieces if it were kept in
    nicer conditions. It doesn’t make any sense, or help animals, but it is
    something sentimentalists do.”

    Has she ever met any sabs? All the ones I ever met were vegans. And from their photos online they mostly look like a bunch of skinny lads and young women. In camo – not boiler suits.

    Sounds like a load of the usual silly twaddle from the hunting lobby – shame I had to grow up with them. They seem to forget that not everyone in the country has got their back…

    • Ines

      we also got accused of being ‘soap dodgers’ until Lush supported sabbing, then the hunt waged war on Lush.
      And the usual ‘benefits cheats’ and whatever.
      Can’t win.
      But for the record, I have a business. I wash daily. I don’t eat meat or dairy.
      My youth was full of working on farms with livestock and lambs, but the farms I worked on were anti hunt, and we had proper enclosures that were mighty fox proof. Takes work but it works.
      🙂

      • Old farm lad

        Yeah, I saw one fox in all my years on the farm and my dad only saw a few more. I’ve seen more in the last few months living in the city.

        Admittedly we did have a fox get a few chickens, but we just built a better shed.

    • Paul Bull

      Have you really met anyone in the country? What sort of farm are you from – a funny farm definitely not a real farm I suspect? Most local country are people rightly suspicious of trespassing sabs with covered faces and paramilitary style clothing or ‘camo’ however you like to describe it – ‘some of us would quite possibly like to bash a ‘posh bastard’ although it is not what we are primarily there for’ as one fairly notorious saboteur once explained it to me. Hunts continue because local people support the hunts – think about it – it would be virtually impossible without the support of farmers who allow access to the land and the majority of local people who are keener to support local people who are minding their own business, than a bunch of scary, looking idealistic, busy bodies. The antis may be vegans ( I don’t think that endears them to anyone where I live by the way – farming is pretty important to our local economy and beautiful wildlife rich landscape – it makes them misguided, idealistic, idiots) and not eat at the KFC but Melissa’s fundamental point still stands – they prioritise the rights of a wild fox over the welfare of a domestic chicken or they would be sabbing the KFC restaurant instead. Maybe because (as Melissa hints), that is just not so much fun 😉

      • Old farm lad

        It was sheep, pigs and a few head of cattle. Chickens and turkeys in the winter. That close enough to real farming for you? And yes, we had a local hunt and no, they definitely did not get on our land. Whether or not we saw eye to eye with them on the meat eating, we certainly agreed on that.

        Out of interest, how do you think the sabs manage to find the hunts? I doubt they’re driving round aimlessly looking for them.

        • Paul Bull

          Most of the time they don’t (or more hunts would be sabbed) – unless they have been hanging outside the kennels from 4.00 am in the morning – which anywhere else would be harassment of often young families. This is despite the fact hundreds or tens of hundreds can know where a hunt is going to meet. The question should be why do anti’s not find hunts more. Don’t try to pass your opinion as some sort of main stream farming opinion because you and I know it isn’t.
          If you are responsible for the uninvited arrival of anti’s deliberately trespassing on your neighbours property you should be ashamed of yourself.

      • Jane Smith

        My husbands family own many farms and and not one of them or their neighbours supported rich city folk galloping through their land

  • Ines

    cool story ‘bro’
    You forgot the dragons…..

  • O Beecy Clett

    What are the terrier men for? Why do foxhounds cross busy roads? etc etc. You go out to hunt foxes. Sabs are there to stop you. If they weren’t there you would be getting away with it much more easily.

  • Tracy C

    Does this person live in cloud cuckoo land. I’m too old and slow to be a sab myself but love and support goes out to them. Most don’t eat or wear animal products, a lot are professionals. Hunts don’t even pretend to trail hunt anymore and judging by the stickers on the of proud wildlife murderers there is no pretence as they clearly state that they ‘carry on hunting’ ! What utter tosh !

    • Paul Bull

      It is wrong and possibly slander to suggest all hunts are ‘murdering wildlife’ – although is right to infer sabs cause confrontation, violence and damage on private land they should not be on. These sometimes irresponsible, incompetent, fools are not beyond scaring a fox towards hounds to its death – this in their mind is not their fault but clear evidence of the hunts intention to hunt a live animal. It is right that sabs activities are exposed for what they are.

      • hearditallbefore

        I believe the word you’re looking for is libel. Libel and slander are types of defamatory statements. Libel is a written defamatory statement, and slander is a spoken or oral defamatory statement. So lets get that out of the way first. Secondly I don’t see where Tracey said “all hunts” do you? But lots do. Will I now get sued for “slander”?

      • Jill Hadfield

        Libel? slander? Ask Tamerlane. He encourages murder.

  • Bob Jackson

    Hey Melissa, are you as stupid as you sound?

    • Tamerlane

      She’s not talking, maybe someone has to read out words for you.

  • Petethegreet

    What a ludicrous piece of bunkum, this journalist has clearly never been on a hunt/sabbed hunt in her life………..or did she just make it all up???

  • hearditallbefore

    Thank goodness for the SABS, I say. Without them, these “people” would think they were above the law and carry on hunting. Our hero SABS, stop them in their tracks. Well done. !!!

    • Tamerlane

      Love it. No hunt saboteur has ever stopped a single hunt. Magic. You keep it up. Hold on to that belief big boy.

      • Todd Unctious

        It is more important to oppose it and hold it up as morally disgusting, than to stop it outright. Fox hunters are abysmal cretins. Their supporters are oafish and violent fools.

  • TheDeep

    Wow! Who could possibly think sabbing was fun and that people have nothing better to do than to follow around a bunch of idiots riding horses? Do you really think there is a shortage of hunts to sab? Surely, if they knew you were trial hunting, they would go and help out with them.

    • hearditallbefore

      I’m sure they would. With a non fox urine scent of course, so there’s no excuse of an “accident”.

  • AndyPlatt

    The reason why the sabs were there is because you weren’t ‘pretend’ hunting at all, you were actually hunting. Why use actual fox scent for the trail? Why not train the hounds to follow a different scent? Answer; so that it is more likely the hounds will run off after a real fox and you can have a proper hunt while pretending it’s an ‘accident’.

    And why not muzzle the hounds so they are unable to hurt the fox if one is ‘accidentally’ caught?

    Btw I’m a vegan and haven’t touched KFC for around 30 years.

    • Roger Hudson

      When i was young and fit i used to trail run for beagle and bloodhound sports, great fun and exercise.

      • AndyPlatt

        Presumably that was drag hunting you were running for? Drag hunting dates back to the 19th century and is not the same as trail hunting, which has only arisen since the hunting act.

  • Builder boyfriend

    Bring back proper Fox hunting,the things are vermin. we as English allow Halal slaughter in the uk,but get up tight about fox hunting,what a bunch of Hippocrates!. Hunt with Dogs or shoot,your bee looking into stopping rats being killed next.

    • hearditallbefore

      “your bee looking into stopping rats being killed next.” Pardon?

    • eternumviti

      What ever has Hippocrates got to do with it? He was a Greek physician, been dead a long time…

  • Builder boyfriend

    Sabs are total bums and need to maybe go and learn about fox control before trying to stop drag hunting. Shooting estates keep the Fox numbers in control and have the most fantastic array of wild life,and the reason? The foxes are controlled by shooting!. Drag hunting is fantastic fun and most hunts do not break the law,all most every arrest under the Hunt act has been for coursing with Dogs,i.e. pikeys not hunts!. The hunt act has not saved any foxes or halal cow’s goats ect that die by the millions in the uk every year!,so dear sabs sod off and save some cow’s from the halal meat man before trying to stop drag hunting.tally hoo.

    • hearditallbefore

      “save some cow’s from the halal meat man” You need to take that up with the Government matey. They’re the ones allowing it, as for the SABS ,they are mostly vegans, so by definition will be against it anyway.

      • Builder boyfriend

        The Labour government banned hunting with a pack of dogs as a tool to get votes from left wingers!. The reason no Labour government or Sab would try to ban Halal or kosher is if it was banned the Muslim and Jews would not stop this vile practice in the uk,and Sab types would not try to stop it. Very easy to eat veg and be a sab whilst letting farm animals die in the most barbaric way!. If it’s ok for Halal,then it’s ok to hunt. It’s part of my heritage,just like halal is part of their heritage. If you want to help Animals in the uk don’t buy cheap meat or eat currys. Ps the lefty pop star Brian may is still having deer shoot on he’s estate,while banging on about fox hunting!,err drag hunting is not Fox hunting Brian. Like I say carry on and eat veg.

    • Old farm lad

      Shooting estates have a “fantastic array of wildlife” eh? Well I’ve been on a few and all I saw, other than the songbirds you’ll see anywhere outside of a city in this country, were some caged pheasant or grouse.

      Saw plenty of larson traps though, you know, for the wildlife…

      • Paul Bull

        I think this is just because you don’t know where to find it. Larson traps catch magpies and crows which is a good thing as they eat loads of other birds eggs not just those of pheasants and grouse. Perhaps one reason why you see lots of song birds as well on shooting estates.

        Had it occurred to you the wildlife is probably there if you know where to look for it, but isn’t desperate to coming running up to a great blunderbus human being as opposed to the wildlife in parks which see humans all the time and are much tamer therefore it is more likely you will see the wildlife there?

    • JonBW

      Hen Harriers?

      • Roger Hudson

        They never did detain that ginger haired person who killed those Harriers in Norfolk.

    • Whistlejacket

      Fox control is unnecessary….and if you left the foxes alone you wouldn’t need to kill the rats. Moot point though as Hunts don’t control foxes, they feed them, and provide accomodation for them, just to chase them in terror, and rip them apart.

    • Kelvin Thomas

      Most hunts do not break the law you say? And it’s your own “pikeys” i.e. terrier men, that are even more cruel digging foxes out. Please research!

      • Jill Hadfield

        Oh they enjoy cubbing too. Horrific, And all in the name of fun. I’d like to see their children dragged out of their beds and torn to shreds for fun.

  • JonBW

    Perhaps if the hunting fraternity didn’t constantly (albeit discreetly) gloat over the fact that the ‘trail’ hunts still lead to foxes being killed ‘accidentally’ the sabs would stop.

    Foxes do not need to be controlled; they never did. Shooting them after ‘flushing’ or using eagles or eagle owls to kill them is unnecessary.

    There is a very simple solution: if the hunts made it very clear that they had no wish to kill foxes and just wanted to enjoy riding through the countryside in traditional dress, nobody would bother them in the slightest. Some of us who live in the countryside and oppose hunting would even come out to enjoy the spectacle.

    And there are plenty of us with tales of loutish behaviour by the hunts every bit as unpleasant as those about the sabs.

  • JonBW

    By the way, I have kept chickens for years in conditions that are humane and have never lost one to a fox.

    • Roger Hudson

      When central Berkshire was still country not a giant housing estate my father reared chickens, the field in which the ‘hen houses’ were rotated around the field had to be protected by regular fox culling by shooters.

      • JonBW

        Decent fencing is more effective

        • Richard

          Yes, but then the hungry foxes go off an predate birds nesting in the wild. They have to eat something.

          • JonBW

            Yes – all predators do.
            That’s nature.

          • Richard

            Indeed, and the balance has to be maintained in the absence of natural predators. People aren’t regarded as natural predators, presumably because they have cerebral cortexes. It is always interesting that people think they aren’t part of nature. You have to live in Africa really to understand what that means.

          • Jethro Asquith

            It is always interesting that people think they aren’t part of nature.

            Thank you for saying that. It is a real bugbear of mine how people think we, the human race, are somehow outside of nature.

          • Richard

            That is the real problem facing the West. People think that social constructs are “real” and don’t understand how we are simply a group of people surviving in a dispassionate natural world. The less we understand that, the greater our problems become, whether as individuals or as societies. For instance, human rights are considered to be objectively real, whereas they are in fact simply what we have chosen as a society to install. You cannot argue human rights with a lion in the wild. Our existence is misconstrued, and our manner of governance likewise. There has to be a balance, which currently we do not have. It can only lead to a sticky end.

  • Skye Edwards

    Pfft what a load of bullcrap. Sabs tend to support trail rides.

  • Simon Jester

    Come to Ireland and go sab free fox hunting.

  • R M

    What a stupidly written article I thought, but then I saw the byline. What can you expect from a ‘journalist’ who made a fool of herself on national radio by saying the Nazis were socialists!

    • Flintshire Ian

      Look up “National Socialist German Workers’ Party” which is the English translation of a German political party sometimes known as the Nazis.

      • Sausage McGuffin

        That old idiocy put about by tea party nutters. Hitler was no Marxist. Read Mein Kampf if you are in any doubt, he has a few things to say there

        The party name pre-dated Hitler and provided a useful vehicle while Hitler’s fascist movement got started..

        • Richard

          Hitler may not have been a Marxist, but he was a socialist. Have a watch of “Triumph of the Will” to get an idea.

          • Sausage McGuffin

            Don’t be a dimwit. Are you American or something? You might want to look up socialism as well.

          • Richard

            You can be a Marxist without being a socialist. I mean, you can be a socialist without being a Marxist. A sort of “soft” socialist. For instance, kibbutzes are run as socialist entities, but aren’t Marxist.

          • sfin

            And you might want to look up fascism – history, etymology et al…

            The most modern fascists were formed by a renowned, socialist scholar called Benito Mussolini (the original fasci were the Italian trade unions) who replaced the marxist collective of social class, with one of nationalism – “everything in the state, nothing outside the state”. Hitler followed with race as his collective – which was close enough to nationalism for them to be allies.

            Fascists, Marxists, Communists, Socialists – they are all collectivist political ideologies.

            And they are all left wing.

          • Sausage McGuffin

            I hate to dissapoint but he was booted out of the socialist movement precisely because he wasn’t a socialist. I hate to quote wikipedia but this is a reasonable summary:

            Mussolini opposed egalitarianism. For instance Mussolini was influenced
            by Nietszche’s anti-Christian ideas and negation of God’s existence.[35] Mussolini saw Nietzsche as similar to Jean-Marie Guyau, who advocated a philosophy of action.[35]
            Mussolini’s use of Nietzsche made him a highly unorthodox socialist,
            due to Nietzsche’s promotion of elitism and anti-egalitarian views.
            Mussolini felt that socialism had faltered due to the failures of
            Marxist determinism and social democratic reformism,
            and believed that Nietzsche’s ideas would strengthen socialism. While
            associated with socialism, Mussolini’s writings eventually indicated
            that he had abandoned Marxism and egalitarianism in favor of Nietzsche’s
            übermensch concept and anti-egalitarianism.

            […]

            After being ousted by the Italian Socialist Party for his support of
            Italian intervention, Mussolini made a radical transformation, ending
            his support for class conflict and joining in support of revolutionary nationalism transcending class lines.[45] He formed the interventionist newspaper Il Popolo d’Italia and the Fasci Rivoluzionari d’Azione Internazionalista (“Revolutionary Fasci for International Action”) in October 1914.[40]

            Now run along back to Fox News with all the other morons.

      • Mary Ann

        Look up German Democratic Republic and tell me that it was democratic, parties and countries can call themselves what they like, it doesn’t make it true.

    • Pioneer

      Depends what you mean by socialist. All powerful state with virtually no individual liberty.

    • The Laughing Cavalier

      It was socialist. The Nazi Party is the common name for the Nationalsozialistishe Deutsche
      Arbeiterpartei, abbreviated as NSDAP. Like Mussolini, Hitler was a man of the left.

    • VacantPossession

      Fortunately the extensive audit trail available on line enables us to see through the veil; It might not make comfortable reading but this article shows the tip of the iceberg, should you follow the hints in this article.

    • Freddythreepwood

      Sticks in the craw of the Left I know, but the Nazis were indeed socialists. And they weren’t in the least sentimental about fluffy foxie-woxies.

      • Dominic Stockford

        Yes indeed, National Socialists.

  • amphibious

    I used to think that once Tacky snuffs it the Speccie would be free of an odious snob but Kite seems to be an even more vile replacement.

  • eternumviti

    I believe the going rate for a day’s sabbing is £50, sandwich and coffee supplied. Good money for impoverished students and unemployed oiks for nice day out in the countryside hurling abuse.

    • Jill Hadfield

      Moron

      • eternumviti

        Thank you Jill. Now am I a moron because sabs don’t get 50 quid, that they are not students, that they are not oiks, or that they don’t hurl abuse? Or is it just that you don’t like what you perceive as being my stand on foxhunting?

  • Daniel Johnston

    Nice piece of absolute fantasy from someone who enjoys a pass time that only a minority of the public in a position of monetary privilege without an ounce of compassion could possibly enjoy.

    You’re running through the countryside on a horse. Why not just do that? What extra fun does it add to follow around a man with a dead fox in a sack? It doesn’t allow you to do anything different, you’re still sitting on a horse in the countryside.

    You can be all goody two shoes about it – call it pretend hunting – but the reality is the only reason to continue with the whole charade is so that you can start up *real* hunting again when your boys in the blue rosettes scrap the current law. Something a clear majority of the public are opposed to. https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/01/09/british-people-still-support-fox-hunting-ban/

    • Cyril Sneer

      Do wealthy people make you feel inferior or something? That is an issue you have, not them.

      “You’re running through the countryside on a horse. Why not just do that?
      What extra fun does it add to follow around a man with a dead fox in a
      sack?”

      I never understood why people like Cricket, for me it’s a tedious boring game that’s only useful for trying to get to sleep but I wouldn’t try to prevent people from enjoying playing/watching the game.

      Where does it end, you know preventing people from legally doing what they enjoy doing because you don’t understand why they do it.

      I don’t suppose you realise how bigoted and ignorant you are.

      • Deucleciano

        We do understand why you do it. It`s called sadism.

      • Daniel Johnston

        No, I don’t feel inferior, I was just pointing out the demographic of the “sport”.

        In cricket there isn’t a dead fox in a bag behind the stumps. Nor is there a popular, illegal variant of cricket where 40 dogs chase the batsman around the ground until he gets tired and then tear him into pieces. And, putting a dead fox behind the stumps wouldn’t change the game. It’d still be cricket, just with a worse smell. The same applies to riding a horse. You don’t need some bloke with a smelly sack of rotting corpses leading the way. Just ride the horse and leave the foxes alone.

    • Paul Bull

      After the last election I thought the short comings of polls had been totally exposed – especially ones paid for by anti hunt organisations owned by pollsters sympathetic to their view. They get to choose the question and where they poll – I know I have never been asked. I think all they really tell us is more than 24% are in favour of fox hunting which is not far off being more than what some political parties would poll at present. Like it or not a very significant amount of people are in favour of hunting – given that it does not negatively affect those not in favour of it – perhaps they should just mind their own business.
      Hunts happily admit they are campaigning for a repeal of the ban and are hunting fox based trails to enable them to retrain the hounds should they be successful. The point you are missing is the ban has been proved futile in terms of saving foxes lives – foxes are being controlled regardless and there is plentiful supply to use as fox based scents. Is this good for the effective conservation management of foxes in the countryside in terms of greater fox numbers being tolerated by landowners – probably not – as the pro-hunt lobby has always argued and anecdotally at least have been proved right.

      • Daniel Johnston

        Polls about which party you will vote for and polls about the specific issue of fox hunting are very different things. A lot of people just don’t follow politics, and will answer whatever party they feel like to a pollster, then make the decision closer to polling day. Whether or not fox hunting should be banned is, comparatively, a much more black-and-white issue. You either want to see a fox ripped apart by hounds, or you don’t. Your assertion that people should just mind their own business if they’re not directly negatively affected by an issue shows a complete lack of thought on the reason we have laws in the first place. I’ve never directly been affected by race-hate crime or fraud, does that mean I shouldn’t care if it happens to other people? It’s all very well ignoring bad things until they happen on your own back doorstep, let’s just do that instead of having law enforcement and see where it gets us. I’m not missing any point, I know the point. You can manage foxes in more effective, but supposedly boring ways. The only reason to hunt a fox, on horseback, with a pack of dogs, is because you get some kind of sick thrill out of seeing a defenceless animal ripped to pieces.

  • Shorne

    Whilst I live now live in London I grew up on a farm in Kent.
    If we had problems with a fox (they were always after the capons my mother
    raised for the Christmas market) Then my father, or grandfather who had been a gamekeeper, would wait up and shoot it quickly and cleanly. By the way the reason foxes kill a lot of chickens is that they intend to come back and bury them, they eat a lot of carrion. If somebody else asked my grandfather for help in this regard his first instruction was to leave the dead chickens where they were, or put them back, so as to ensure the foxes return.
    . This method was adopted because it was infinitely more efficient
    that having 20 or 30 couple of hounds and the accompanying riders charging about churning up crops and upsetting the stock.
    People who hunt don’t wake up on the morning of a hunt thinking
    “Oh how tiresome we have to go and do some organic pest control” The
    think “Goody we are going to have some FUN”. Now there are lots of
    things people would like to do because they regard them as fun and some of them involve inflicting pain and fear on animals, dog fighting, badger digging etc.but these are illegal because the majority of the population are against them. Regarding foxhunting, 76% against was the last poll I could find and that included people living in the country
    This is not “criminalising a minority” as is so often alleged, it is, in effect, democracy. The Countryside Alliance’s view of democracy is ‘We’ve always done this and we like it so s*d off.’
    The biggest lie about fox hunting is that it is somehow efficient.
    I can still remember my Dad or Granddad coming home carrying the body of a fox they had just shot and saying “Give it a couple of weeks and the next
    bugger’ll be along” as foxes always move into vacant territory. The Burns Committee that reported on hunting prior to the legislation concluded that hunting was the least efficient method of fox control.

    • Paul Bull

      Some of what you say is true but managing a fox population over an area 20 x 20 miles as hunts do is a much better way than each individual farmer independently trying to do it in isolation. Efficiency is not only about a crude strike rate where local fox populations can be decimated well below what is needed with use of night sights and rifles. The hunt often works in conjunction with landowners and farmers sharing knowledge so foxes are killed when the need to be but conserved when their numbers drop – in that respect hunting formed part of a very efficient form of fox management balancing the needs of farmers, landowners and nature.
      Does it matter if people follow the hunt primarily because they enjoy an adventure through the countryside where they will proably never see a fox killed and possibly not even see a fox all day – not comparable with badger baiting or dog fighting which is as far as know is about gratuitous violence?
      Incidentally democracy is only ‘2 wolves and a sheep voting on what to eat’ – if it is to benefit society minorities need to be respected.

      • JoeCro

        Fox hunting is a very expensive and inefficient method of vermin control.

      • Shorne

        I repeat the Burns Committee whose membership was initially objected to by the League Against Cruel Sports as many members were hunt supporters found that hunting was the least efficient method of fox control. You rather confirm this by alleging ‘proably (sic) never see a fox killed and possibly not even see a fox all day.’
        As for ‘ balancing the needs of farmers, landowners and nature.’ here are some headlines to ponder
        “Hunt workers are caught on video feeding foxes offal and eggs in bid to boost the population ‘for illegal hunting’ ”
        “Foxes filmed being kept in captivity ‘to be used in illegal hunts'”
        “Hunters ‘breeding foxes’ to provide for the kill
        Concrete chambers used as ‘artificial earths’ to ensure supply of animals for blood sport.”

        • Paul Bull

          Ironically, the Burns inquiry actually had quite a lot evidence in favour of hunting, but lets not digress.

          The fact followers do not see the kill does not indicate how many foxes are killed or therefore give any indication to how ‘efficient’ it is. It does back up the assertion they are not there to watch an animal suffer and die unlike badger baiting and so is not really a useful comparison..

          There is another side to the ‘headlines’ above – hunts do not bred foxes for sport and never have – I suspect the above stories are about relocating foxes from land where they are not wanted to where they are and can have a relatively undisturbed life – supporting not contradicting my opinion hunting balances the needs of farmers and nature.

          • Shorne

            Rubbish, Hunts do breed foxes and always have such stories were rife when I was growing up. It was a lucrative sideline fo terrier men. The Burns Committee spoke favourably about flushing foxes with two or thee dogs and the shooting them.

          • Paul Bull

            Fox hunting is about hunting a fox in its wild and natural state – that is in the hunts own MFHA pre ban rules and what we are asking for with a repeal.

            If stories were rife it is because anti’s were trying to propagate the argument fox hunting was not about fox control or wrongly interpreting the evidence as I have explained above.

          • Shorne

            Stories were rife and told by people who went hunting. One of the things I object to about it is how the Hunting lobby expect us to believe the downright lies they peddle.

          • Paul Bull

            Hypocrite. You haven’t heard these stories because it doesn’t happen – you’ve made this up and now you are saying you object to the hunting lobbies lies!

          • Shorne

            I have not made anything up,
            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2825555/Hunt-workers-caught-video-feeding-foxes-offal-eggs-bid-boost-population-illegal-hunting.html

            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1341954/Beaufort-Hunt-broke-rules-on-fox-breeding.html
            http://www.independent.co.uk/news/more-hunts-in-fox-breeding-scandal-1167735.html
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKASuHLCxk4

            As for my own experience one incident that stands out is being taken by my Grandfather to see his friend Norman. Norman asked me if I would like to see some fox cubs. I was taken to a building that had once been the outside toilet of Norman’s cottage, inside was a vixen and her 4 cubs which I was told would be released in the autumn. Most villages at that time had somebody like Norman, jobbing gardener, occasional farm labourer, terrier man, earth stopper etc.
            You can keep denying as much as you like but you are wrong.

          • Shorne

            I have not made anything up,
            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new
            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new
            http://www.independent.co.uk/n
            As for my own experience one incident that stands out is being taken by my Grandfather to see his friend Norman. Norman asked me if I would like to see some fox cubs. I was taken to a building that had once been the outside toilet of Norman’s cottage, inside was a vixen and her 4 cubs which I was told would be released in the autumn. Most villages at that time had somebody like Norman, jobbing gardener, occasional farm labourer, terrier man, earth stopper etc.
            You can keep denying as much as you like but you are wrong.

    • Jill Hadfield

      Thank you

  • Freddythreepwood

    Why is foxhunting still illegal? Get off your backsides Tories and sort it out.

  • Builder boyfriend

    The last Labour government banned hunting with a pack of dogs,because the Rspca and the League against blood sports,gave millions in donations to the Labour party. It’s called lobbying! And had sod all to do with Animal welfare,the same Labour party did sod all about Halal! The reason was the Muslim voters?, I have asked sabs and anti supporters what would be the best way to control Fox numbers if not shooting or Hunting,their reply is all ways we do not want any control and they then go on to tell me about how cruel hunting is!. The same anti hunt types will not lobby government about Halal in the uk. Maybe a Fox has more worth than a cow,I think not and will never stop supporting hunting. The current hunt bill is not working as the foxes get shoot and the hunts just drag hunt, that is till the left ban drag hunting whilst turning a blind eye to what their left wing Labour friends are doing in Bradford and London,i.e. Halal. Yer let’s ban Fox control and all eat halal.

    • cartimandua

      Shooting leaves up to 60% wounded and following up with a couple of dogs is as cruel as one can imagine. Mange is now a national problem for the fox and is an agonizing death.

      • Builder boyfriend

        I totally agree with you,but it’s no crueler than killing anything else. Just can’t understand why everyone gets so hot under the collar about fox control or Hunting. Anyway good luck.

    • Deucleciano

      You are conveniently forgetting that the vast majority of English people are in favour of the ban. Animal rights campaigners have been lobbying against Halal slaughter for years. Foxes do not need to be controlled illegal hunters do.

      • Builder boyfriend

        Lobbying against halal,yer right!. If the Animal welfare lot did there job we would not have halal in the uk. Like I said you take the view
        Foxes don’t need controlling,why do Fox lovers think it’s ok to control everything else in the Animal world but not foxes?. This is just silly. Look at the state of London,half dead bald foxes eating trash and killing cats and the Rspca advising home owners to feed them chicken and potatoes. Call me old fashioned, but foxes as lovely as they are need controlling.

      • Dominic Stockford

        I don’t know anyone in favour of the ban.

        • JoeCro

          Maybe you would rather hunt Catholics- saw your bonkers comments on the other thread.

          • Dominic Stockford

            Polls suggested that Scotland would be comfortably independent by now, and that Labour would win the election and now be our government. So I have little trust in them.

        • Jill Hadfield

          Of course you don’t because you lot are all in your selfish little bubble. Over 80% of the population want the ban. It’s just that you have your heads buried in your nose-bags.

          • Dominic Stockford

            I have no nosebag, no horse, have never been hunting, and live in a city.

      • Builder boyfriend

        The vast majority of people live in a world were the only Animal they see is a pet or a piece of meat at a supermarket. No politician or The Rspca will go anywhere near Halal because of the threat of being called a Racist or votes. It is not illegal to kill vermin i.e. foxes,it’s illegal to us a pack of dogs. Anyone with a Brain knows factory farming is the real cruel thing but much easier to trespass on private land and pester So called posh people for Drag Hunting. The Hunting bill is a let’s have a go at the Rich bill but most Hunts are normal people. Remember most of rural England supports Hunting by letting Hunts us there land!,so sorry but most land owners and farmers do support Hunting,even if it’s Drag hunting. Melissa kite is totally right,it gives sabs something to do.Tally hoo.

    • Jill Hadfield

      So the Countryside Alliance are not allies with the tories?

  • JonBW

    Mind you, the Tory failure to amend the smoking ban is an absolute disgrace.

    That would only impact on adults making an informed choice.

    However, perhaps the demographic explain the omission.

  • cartimandua

    Very witty article . I enjoyed it. Perhaps sabs want some time in the fresh air and “nature” but cannot think of a reason to walk in it.

    • Tina Henderson

      Foolish post.

  • Minstrel Boy

    Just a training exercise for the Class War to come.
    You gotta have something to get angry about, otherwise you’d get vexed with yourself and have to stop claiming benefit for being depressed, etc and get a proper job. Then you just wouldn’t have time to go gallivanting about with The Boiler Suit Brigade and The Balaclava Boys.
    Give the land back to us peasants and then we can tell you to ‘Get orf my lan…!’ when you come around exercising your pony. Come the Revolution……..Grrrrr!

  • Tamerlane

    Fox hunt on giro day and enjoy a peaceful ride out. Good rule of thumb.

  • Fraziel

    here we go, another article from the posho Violet Elizabeth of the right. I’ll scweam and scweam and scweam until im sick!!!!. The majority dont want it, its a minority sport for posh, over priviliged, selfish, empathy lacking w*nkers and it should stay banned. Never mind the fact thats there is clearly something wrong with people who feel that a ride out in the country, a Joy i am sure for most who can afford it, isnt complete or fun without allowing dogs to rip small animals to pieces.

    Of course Violet glosses over how badly the dogs are treated too and her comparison with eating chicken betrays a mind set so utterly deluded and boxed into a corner it beggars belief. Some chicken farming, not all, has the chickens in discomfort we should admit that. The idea though that anyone who fox hunts or supports fox hunting would give a sh*t about the chickens is of course absurd. They don’t so its utterly bizarre to comment on it .

    Chickens are also killed for a good reason. Food. If you cant see the difference between killing animals to eat them and killing them for fun and amusement you really are deserving of pity.

    Oh, and for little Englanders still living in the past, we haven’t used ” giros” in this country for several years.

    • Paul Bull

      For the record hounds are incredibly well looked after as demonstrated by their ability to travel enthusiastically for miles and miles every week with shiny coats and wagging tails. Hunting people are basically pretty ordinary decent, honest, compassionate, members of society. Typical of your lot is to fling as much mud as you can on the basis some of it will stick regardless of checking whether there is any truth in it. Maybe you should take a look in the mirror and question how wonderful you are before you start writing the sort of abuse you have above.

      • Tina Henderson

        What conscience-salving bull, Bull.

    • Cyril Sneer

      Posh make you feel inferior.

      That’s as far as I got.

      • Daniel Johnston

        Attention span is too short to form a coherent argument, no doubt.

    • Dominic Stockford

      I’ve never done hunting, I live in the city, and I wouldn’t eat fox – but I don’t see why others should be terrorised by balaklava wearing thuggish peeps, or why they can’t hunt.

      And why do the sabs insist on anonymity if their case and their behaviour is wonderful beyond question?

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        “The unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable.”
        We have dear Oscar to thank for that pearl.

    • Jethro Asquith

      posh, over priviliged, selfish, empathy lacking w*nkers

      You mean rather than scummy, pikey selfish, empathy lacking wankers – i.e the sabs?

      • Tina Henderson

        Oh Jethro! Lack of your education is no excuse for a potty mouth,

    • FaarmerBuoy.

      Hunts will still hunt (within the law) no matter how much you scweam and scweam. Why do you protest so loudly? You are boring, don’t you realise that?

      • Jill Hadfield

        You sir are the boar. Pompous, condescending prat. And yes I mean boar.
        Within the law? Don’t make me laugh.

      • Tina Henderson

        Because it is wrong to kill for fun in our world if not yours.

        • FaarmerBuoy.

          One of my dogs killed a rat this afternoon. He didn’t kill it because he was hungry, because he didn’t eat it, he killed it because it’s his nature. He’s a terrier. Terriers kill rats. My other terrier did her best to drive it towards him, bless her . Very sad for the rat but if Alfie hadn’t nipped him there would have been a lot of sons and daughters of rat this time next year. Now, did Alfie kill the rat for fun? I don’t know.

  • Malcolm Stevas

    Late to this, but full marks to Melissa for writing yet again on a topic to which so many are incapable of responding rationally or reasonably. The sabs/antis and their hangers-on are driven by sentiment, hypocrisy, ignorance and malevolence. They wouldn’t recognise political liberty, or the notion of individual freedom, if it bit them on the arse. In fact most of them possibly wouldn’t recognise a fox, in similar circumstances.

    • Tina Henderson

      Driven by a sense of right and wrong and lack of blood-lust more like. What a shame you and your ‘likes’ are driven by the love of pain, death and cruelty.

      • Malcolm Stevas

        Thanks for a succinct confirmation of the bizarre, tendentious, woefully distorted view of life & people held by so many antis.

        • Tina Henderson

          I am delighted you think so. Try wiping the blood from your eyes.

          • Malcolm Stevas

            You’re far too excitable for your own good. Take up a creative hobby**, rather than working yourself into a hate-filled lather about foxes or other vermin. And for the record, when I shoot a fox from 200-300 yards away, the high-velocity frangible bullet in its ribcage drops it stone dead instantly, and not a drop of blood reaches me.
            **Take up shooting, in fact – it might help with your problem..

          • Tina Henderson

            You have walked neatly and stupidly into my trap and exposed yourself utterly as a despicable creature as are are your like. Where is the caring now? Where it always was; non-existent.

          • Malcolm Stevas

            You need to explain that – or attempt to… Shooting foxes (or disposing of them by other means) is normal: your oddball sentimentality towards foxes is not normal.
            Agian, you come across as excitable, prone to bizarre misinterpretation and wild hyperbole.

          • Tina Henderson

            Your tune changes as quickly as a fiddlers elbow moves.

          • Malcolm Stevas

            Again, explain? You still haven’t elaborated on your previous strange claim.

          • Tina Henderson

            I’ve made no claims. Perhaps your grasp of literacy is as tenuous as your grasp of moral rectitude and the law. So do you enjoy killing animals? If the answer is yes, you condemn yourself. If the answer is no, you are a hypocrite. For the sake of anyone who reads this,which is it? I for one won’t be drawn any further by someone like you.

          • Malcolm Stevas

            You claimed I’d fallen prey to some “trap” and, mildly curious, I wondered what on earth you meant. You failed to explain. Then you claimed I was changing my tune – again, odd, whimsical, unsupportable, but you failed to explain this claim.
            You will appreciate that I’m not burning with desire to understand how your mind works: as an anti, you’re irrational and driven by sentiment, so what’s inside your head is pretty odd and I don’t want to know. I was just, as I say, mildly curious to see how you attempted to justify or explain the odd things you’ve said.
            Listen dear, humans have been killing animals – and enjoying the thrill of the chase, the challenge, the excitement – since the dawn of time. If you prefer knitting, or watching daytime TV, that’s fine – just don’t get in the way of other more normal people.

          • Tina Henderson

            Now you have had your little vent (I guess you needed it) I’ll reply. You kill animals and you don’t like to be challenged. That makes you a pretty small man and a patronising bully. But then, you know that.

  • Deucleciano

    Interesting article it’s reads a bit like something reflected in a mirror, everything the wrong way round. Hunts who trail hunt are in the minority and the only reason more foxes aren’t killed is because of Sabs, who, by the way,are mostly vegan or vegetarian and suffer verbal and often physical abuse from illegal hunters. Good try but it only works a a bad joke.

    • Paul Bull

      Have you not seen that video of the huntsman of the Tedworth being knocked unconscious with an iron bar – in an unprovoked attack. Sabs pretty much always cause the confrontation by just being there, often on land that they are illegally trespassing on, trying to stop the hunt supporters peacefully enjoying their day. It can get heated and sometimes, and the sabs are quite likely get frustrated and yell abuse and dish out violence. If you don’t like violence and verbal abuse, tell the sabs to stay at home – they are never blameless and often the perpetrators..

      • Jill Hadfield

        What a load of balls. The only reason sabs are there is to prevent the senseless, inhumane and barbaric practices that go on unpunished by the law.

      • Tina Henderson

        Utter rubbish! You may be barbaric; some of us have principles and a sense of right and wrong. Stop trying to obfuscate the issue.

        • Paul Bull

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2iwoiFJOPs
          Perhaps if you ever listened to opposing arguments rather than just shouting them down as rubbish – you might appreciate that the way sabs operate is pretty controversial.

          • Tina Henderson

            Anyone who supports hunting has no grounds to try and take the moral high ground.

  • Margot5000

    Read Ann Widdecombe on this. She’s hardly a leftie but does say it how it is. Also there’s that eejit peer on the left – Kate Hoey? – who would make the same daft arguments as you. Shame – I love your columns – but this just leaves a bad taste

    • Paul Bull

      Kate Hoey is not a peer but a much respected elected MP who incidentally is one of the few Labour MP’s to increase their share of the vote.

      • Margot5000

        Possibly much respected by some, definitely little respected by many. Ann Widdecombe on the other hand puts a good case against hunting.

  • peter palladas

    It’s one thing to send out hunt monitors if people are so inclined, bored and self-righteous, but another altogether to threaten violence to people enjoying a lawful sport. ‘…walking towards us purposefully, slapping their fists into their hands as if practising what they were going to do’ – frightening children and horses, with potentially lethal consequences? Do that when I’m out riding I’ll run you down. Simple.

    • Em

      Just because something is within the law, it doesn’t make it right. Take a look at an alcoholic, for example.

    • Scott

      Firstly “I’ll run you down.” no you won’t. Because even though I’m pretty sure your a coward behind a keyboard who like alot of people wants to avoid physical confrontation but wants to seem impressive the act of running down another humaning being will result in all kinds of legal ramifications you don’t want nor need as well as putting your horse in danger.

      Secondly I don’t think anyone ever in the history of man kind who was gearing up to start a fight ever walked towards their intended victim of viloence “Slapping their fists into their hands” bar maybe Bluto from Popeye.

      This article is clearly a fabrication of some events that might have happened all of it to paint anti-hunters in the worst light possible I really enjoyed the part where the small child cowered in fear and called out for her mommy. Nice touch, very disney.

      The fact you’ve bought into this nonsense is pretty laughable in truth and your response even more so. In truth you’ve painted yourself to look as bad as the “Fist Slapping Heavies” you so valiantly threatend to ride down.

      • peter palladas

        You deliberately frighten the horses, you risk causing a fatal accident. I’ll stop you. Whatever it takes. See you in the field boyo.

        • Scott

          I’m not sure if you’re a Troll or really that stupid/guilable to be taken in by this nonsense and completely miss the point of what I was saying.

          I’m going to assume it’s the second yeah see you in this pretend field where you and your imaginery horse, will “run” me down.

          Keyboard warriors gotta love ’em

        • Calm down keyboard hard man…. Don’t keep digging when in a hole.

  • Jane Smith

    When I was young, the drag hunt was always fast and furious and the real hunt was all about the old rich city folk getting pissed and ripped off☺
    i think the above article is probably wrong on both sides and maybe both parties are being aggravated by a third party for political reasons

  • Nigel Freeman

    You know what might make this article seem a little more credible? Fewer (or preferably no) ad hominem remarks, and arguing using reason. You make assumptions about them that they are unemployed, as if it’s a crime. And if they are, then surely you should feel sorry for them and hope that maybe things get better for them in the future? Perhaps have some compassion? Or do you believe that people simply choose to be poor? It’s not as though people can earn much when they’re on benefits, is it?

    Also, I’m pretty certain that most hunt saboteurs do not go to KFC. I’m pretty certain most of them probably don’t eat meat altogether. And even if they do, killing animals for the sake of eating meat is very different from killing animals for the sheer hell of it.

    As for threatening violence, a quick look on Youtube and recent case law would suggest that it is hunt saboteurs who ought to be scared of fox hunters.

    Now, onto the reason why they might have been trying to sab your pretend hunt (I didn’t know such a thing existed). I imagine it would be to thwart your practice attempts, so as on a real hunt you are less likely to be successful.

  • Em

    This is the most ridiculously biased story I think I’ve read in my life. Comparing trained dogs to to human workers and referring to the sabs as a ‘pack’ and flat out ignoring the fact that they may have been mistaken since they’re against fox hunting and therefore probably never been on a hunt before! Along side that, these hunts still go on illegally all over the place! I wouldn’t have minded if this whole thing had had a clear point about…anything, but it’s a flipping pointless article. The generalizations made throughout this article are exactly the problem with the news world today and it was clearly just written for some drama.

    I don’t understand why any sane person would take a child on a hunt either, fake or not. I understand the horses have been well trained, but it’s still potentially dangerous, and I’ve never met a child who said they wanted to see a dead fox.
    On top of that, do you honestly believe that’s how dogs think? That a fake hunt is better than unemployment? What do they gain from this? Dogs don’t think in material terms! They could have just as much exercise in a loving home, they could be fed just as well and loved a lot more. Nice attempt to humanize dogs and de-humanize the sabs, but literary techniques don’t mean your article is valid on any level.

    • flydlbee

      “don’t mean your article is valid on any level.” Pure P.C. Newspeak nonsense, and utterly meaningless. If an article is nonsense, say it’s nonsense, not “Not valid on any level”.

      • Em

        My point was that this person wasn’t really reporting anything, making it invalid as an article. They’ve used a lot of linguistic techniques, but the article doesn’t give an unbiased view, or an investigation into the matter. It’s literally one persons experience and opinions based on that experience. I have no idea if it’s nonsense because I wasn’t there and haven’t been in a similar situation, but I’ll happily say that it’s a piece of crap if that makes you feel better?

        • flydlbee

          It was a first-hand report of a series of events to which you were not a witness. You dismissed it as not being “valid” without any reason other than you took offence to the contents. That makes your protest non-valid, and in fact, crap.

          • Em

            I was bitten by a dog as a child, the dog knocked my tooth out. Dogs are not friendly, they’re not man’s best friend, they are beasts! They would never try to do good.

            That, in essence, is this article, shortened and applied to my own experience. it was my first hand experience, correct, but I’ve made it invalid by making the assumption that all dogs are the same, in the same way that this article has targeted all sabs by implying they’re all wrong or not trying to do good.
            You have clearly missed my point for whatever reason, so your comments are INVALID and in fact, crap.

          • flydlbee

            Good Doggy!

          • Em

            And there was me, thinking everyone went to school these days.

          • flydlbee

            In your case it was the Trolls’ School.

          • Em

            What?!?! None of this is trolling! This is me, making a point about the article, and you clearly not liking the point/not getting the point. I wasn’t offensive until you made the stupid ‘good doggy’ comment, which was irrelevant to everything I was saying! That comment was off topic, and therefore you are the troll, if you want to start throwing that around.

            I was literally just trying to say that the article is generalising all sabs, which does not make good news stories as it’s not a news story, it’s an opinion. What is your problem with that?!

          • flydlbee

            Your original posting was a hugely conceited, verbose, unreasoned and meaningless post which ended with a claim that the article was “not valid”, as though it was a bus ticket. You followed up by an entirely irrelevent post about being bitten by a dog. You followed that with a snide personal attack about my education. All completely off-topic. You posts are of such juvenile quality that it would be rejected by most school magazines.

            Was the dog that bit you rabid, and was that before or after it bit you?

          • Em

            I guess there’s no reasoning with some people. I didn’t start off feeling like i was being conceited, but I must admit I now feel a bit smug. My comments were clearly relating to one another until you followed up with a ‘snide personal attack’ about a dog bite, which I retaliated to. Yes, snidely, but I wouldn’t take somebody voicing a pointless, irrelevant attack in person, so I’m not going to take it over a news article, particularly when you haven’t really explained how my original reply is wrong. You haven’t provided any evidence to show my original reply was wrong, you haven’t stated that you were there on the day, and I guess no matter what you say, you can’t disagree that the article generalised. The dog bite example I used was just that – an example. It was relevant to showing you how generalising things doesn’t make them correct, which is why this article is invalid as an article, as I’ve said. They’re not of juvenile quality. They relate, and they were relevant, before you turned this into an argument. Every single one of my comments relates to the original article, bar the one about schooling.

          • flydlbee

            Not valid on any level.

          • Em

            And nor is your opinion, who the feck are you to attack someone for putting across a comment? I hope you enjoyed this, because you clearly live a very sad life.

          • Freddythreepwood

            Brilliant! Laugh of the day. Have an up-tick.

          • Em

            And just in case you missed my point again, the point is this article is generalising all sabs, and if you want to argue that point, the title is literally “Sabs don’t want to stop fox-hunting; they never did”

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    Fox hunting, Britain.
    Bull fighting, Spain.
    See the connection Britisher pals?

    • Jonty Cecil

      Fox hunting is the only way forward. Keep the blood in sport. Keep it real, or weird out with the phonies.

      • EUSSR 4 All!

        Don’t bother! The man is a disabled Teesside British expat (paranoid schizophrenic) in Japan, talking to his voices online!

    • EUSSR 4 All!

      Foxes are vermin which need controlling, but then you are some inbred coming from some sink estate from Teesside (before finally gone mad in Japan from doing drink and drugs whilst you were working there), so what would you know!

      • chiefwhippet

        The word vermin has been used by Nazis in the past, to describe Jews. It is a very nasty word which implies that a particular living creature has no right to existence. Other species of animals do have as much right as you. Humans would do better to stop eradicating everything they don’t approve of.

        • EUSSR 4 All!

          The key word here is management. With the disappearance of wild grey wolves (Canis lupus), foxes (vulpes) are now an apex predator in Britain with no other known threats. Britain is a small Island, also, with not that many true wooded forests left anyway, not even when William the Conqueror arrived in England from Normandy.

          And, why should members of the Metazoa (Animalia) branch alone have more of a right to life than others in the Eukaryota kingdom of all known living organisms?! Simple “O”-Level Biology!

  • Precambrian

    It was never about animal welfare – if it was, they ‘d be torching KFC.

    It’s always been about “class war” (which is basically football hooliganism with a right-on attitude).

    • TheMuffin Yum

      Ugh, this legitimately hurt my brain. Yeah, it’s never about compassion or being a decent human being, it’s because they’re envious. Clearly. This is nothing but straw-men to try and undermine criticism. What about dog-fighting? Clearly there’s plenty of people who’s against that and last time I checked the higher class people don’t tend to engage that. Eating dogs? Same deal. It’s not at all about class war, it’s about how society can train a certain type of behavior into people to accept it, no matter how cruel and insane it is. People don’t torch down KFC’S because regardless of the hypocrisy they’ve been raised to accept it for their entire lives. Besides, while we’re at it there’s the other matter of considering how in fox-hunting the cruelty is the entire point of the experience meanwhile KFC that’s the thing that going to make them think twice about doing it.

      When someone eats a burger they’re not doing it because they enjoy to watch an animal suffer – can’t say the same for fox-hunters though. Cowardly violent people like you should be locked up and right now I really don’t care what class you belong to. A bad person is a bad person no matter their status.

  • chiefwhippet

    Not that old chestnut again. Meat eaters are hypocrites. We know that. But they can be forgiven somewhat. People who set out to breed fox cubs but overtly claim they hunt foxes to control their numbers are just liars and sadists. Suck it up.

    • Simon de Lancey

      How are meat eaters hypocrites?

      • chiefwhippet

        Hunters and their supporters will often claim that people who eat meat should not criticize people who kill animals for fun. I think it is a pathetic defensive retort, and merely an attempt to justify themselves. It is something Ms Kite often bangs on about.

        • TheMuffin Yum

          I’m a vegan and I’m always quick to criticize the hypocrisy, but you’re absolutely right. It’s nothing but intellectual cowardice on the part of blood-thirsty sociopaths. If this was a valid argument then the entire concept of animal rights would simply not exist. I can imagine people used this logic to defend dog-fighting, bear-baiting and other acts of cruelty that are simply unacceptable. One act of cruelty doesn’t defend another, and despite all problems factory farming brings there is a pretty blatant difference between one industry that raises people to accept it as a societal norm and disconnects them from the suffering of the living creature and another that’s an incredibly small niche where suffering its self is the point of the entire experience.

      • Bo’sun Higgs

        I’m curious about that myself.

  • Benwyn

    Next week is Melissa Kite going to do some real journalism and join a “pack” of sabs to get a whole story or just continue to be as useful as a Yelp reviewer.

    Be better at your job.

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  • plainsdrifter

    Melissa, dear; have you not yet realised that the police come from the same gene pool as the sabs.

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