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Merkel’s grandstanding on Syrian refugees will lead to many more deaths at sea

12 September 2015

9:00 AM

12 September 2015

9:00 AM

Of all the irresponsible decisions taken in recent years by European politicians, few will cause as much human misery as Angela Merkel’s plan to welcome Syrian refugees to Germany. Hailed as enlightened moral leadership, it is in fact the result of panic and muddled thinking. Her pronouncements will lure thousands more into the hands of unscrupulous people-traffickers. Her insistence that the rest of the continent should share the burden will add political instability to the mix. Merkel has made a dire situation worse.

On Tuesday last week, Germany declared that any Syrian who reaches the country can claim asylum there. In the days that followed, 25,000 arrived at Munich central station and that number is growing fast. Some trains from Austria have been diverted to other German cities to ease the pressure. Merkel now wants to use her clout to distribute these refugees around Europe — arguing that EU plans to resettle 160,000 may not be sufficient.

The current wave of migration started about 15 years ago, an unforeseen side-effect of globalisation. It has been vastly intensified by the chaos which followed the Arab Spring, and particularly the civil war in Syria. The EU’s responsibility is laid out in the Dublin Convention of 1990, which decrees that refugees must claim asylum in the first European Union country that they reach. This crucial safeguard was torn up by Merkel when her government declared that it will be ‘responsible’ for processing the claims of Syrians. The Dublin rules were made for a reason: to save lives, as well as to protect Europe’s borders. German panic has imperilled both priorities.

The welcome that has been given to refugees in Germany is remarkable. But encouraging these people to continue their journey is risky. The 71 refugees found dead in a lorry on an Austrian motorway last month might still be alive today had they ended their journey in Budapest. Some 7,000 refugees are estimated to have passed through Vienna during one day this week, but fewer than 100 claimed asylum there, choosing instead to head on north. Austria is rich, but Merkel’s promise exerts such a pull that people don’t want to stop until they reach Germany.

The distinction between refugee and economic migrant is also being elided. Many of the Syrians making this journey are fleeing war, but many others are fleeing camps in neighbouring Jordan or Turkey. The incentive to do this is growing, because life there is becoming harsher. As Michael Moller, the head of the UN’s Geneva office, warned this week, these millions will ‘get up and leave and come to Europe’ unless conditions in the camps improve. Iraqis are also joining in; extra flights are being laid on from Baghdad to Turkey as people go on the move in the belief that Merkel has created a window of migration opportunity that may not last. It is at this point that the distinction between refugee and immigrant, on which European law is based, breaks down.


The economic pull is exacerbated because, unlike in previous times, the residents of the refugee camps have access to mobile phones and information. They know that Germany has said it expects to accept 800,000 asylum-seekers this year (a figure greater than the population of some EU members). They will have heard about — or seen — the welcome being given to refugees arriving there, the reception committees and the politicians holding placards saying ‘refugees welcome’. All of this will encourage many more to embark on the perilous journey to Europe.

The European Union’s energies would be far better spent improving life in the camps and finding ways to allow people to work there, as Professor Paul Collier suggested in these pages last month. The camps should be properly funded. The UNHCR claims it currently has a $795 million funding gap in its Syrian operation. France has given a fraction of what Britain has to this work, which puts a rather different perspective on François Hollande’s insistence that Britain must take on more of the refugee burden. No country in Europe has given more to the refugee camps than Britain.

Another danger of Merkel’s open-door policy is that it may make Syria’s recovery from civil war harder. By accepting those who have managed to make it to Europe, rather than those still in the camps, Germany is, intentionally or not, cherry-picking the more prosperous members of what used to be Syrian society, those who have sufficient resources to pay the traffickers. Without them, their ravaged country is far less likely to make a recovery once the fighting eventually stops. As the French foreign minister Laurent Fabius warned this week, ‘If all these refugees come to Europe or elsewhere, then Isis has won the game.’

Compounding Merkel’s folly is her desire to impose mandatory refugee quotas on the rest of the EU. (Britain won’t be part of this, we are one of the countries with an opt-out.) Forcing countries to accept refugees they don’t want is bound to boost support for populist anti-immigrant parties. German public opinion might be strikingly liberal on these issues — it is important to remember that, before her recent announcements, Merkel was being criticised for not doing enough to help — but opinion in other European countries is far less so. Strong-arming recalcitrant eastern European countries into taking a significant numbers of refugees will push politics to the nationalist right in these countries. In France, Marine Le Pen has already been making political hay out of Merkel’s actions.

Given the disaster unfolding on the continent, it’s odd to see Britain coming under pressure to become more like Germany. The Prime Minister’s decision to accept refugees from the camps, rather than send thousands more into the hands of people traffickers, seems to demonstrate a better understanding of the issue. To criticise the Prime Minister for not taking those refugees who have already reached Europe is bizarre; it seems to play into the hands of the people-traffickers, who would be pushing for their customers — those who have reached Europe — to be given priority over those who are still on the Syrian border.

Many in Cameron’s circle are furious at Merkel. There is a suspicion that, as one of the Prime Minister’s confidants puts it, ‘This has more to do with what happened in Europe 70 years ago than what is happening today.’ There is also anger at the criticism being directed at London from other European capitals. One Downing Street figure says that if Britain were not supporting the camps on Syria’s borders, at least a million more people would be coming to Europe. And we should remember those who aren’t even in the camps, those who have been forced from their homes but remain trapped inside Syria.

To save lives, Europe needs to stop people from thinking that if they take the risk of trying to cross into the European Union, then they will be able to claim asylum. This means turning around the boats that attempt the journey, and paying for processing stations in Turkey and Egypt. This may be hard, but there is nothing compassionate about giving desperate people false hope.

Britain can be the voice of sanity in this debate, while others panic. Cameron can point out that refugees and migrants who are already in Europe are not in imminent fear for their lives. Those gathered at Calais trying to cross the Channel might have once fled Syria, Somali or other war-torn countries — but they are now risking their lives to leave France, which is another matter entirely.

Merkel’s actions, now, will be hard to correct: her words cannot be unsaid. She has exacerbated a problem that will be with us for years, perhaps decades. More than 40 per cent of those who applied for asylum in Germany in the first half of this year came from the former Yugoslavia; the last of its wars ended 14 years ago. Handling all of this correctly will require true statesmanship, which means thinking through consequences. Merkel is failing that test spectacularly.

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  • Rik

    There are several issues arising out of this migration crisis.
    1The bullying and hectoring of Eastern EU members who do not fall into line backed by threats that they will lose EU funding is a disgrace.
    2 They cant threaten the UK in the same manner(what are they going to do??refuse our money?)so instead they threaten to block any renegotiation unless we ignore our opt out and fall into line.
    3 The elephant in the room,as soon as these people get EU papers despite our opt out they are free to shop around for the best free ride “Dutch” Somalis anyone??
    4 While our continental neighbours seem able to deport at will here in the UK between troughing human rights lawyers and an ever more leftard judiciary who feel free to defy our elected representatives,no matter how hateful or criminal the actions of migrants we are stuck with them.
    5 By refusing to adopt the proven Australian solution and encouraging criminal activity the blood of every dead migrant is on the hand of Merkel and all the virtue signalling morons that support her,ably abetted by our lying propagandist MSM

    • Grace Ironwood

      ” they threaten to block any renegotiation unless we ignore our opt out and fall into line.”
      All the better for the OUT case. As an Australian who’s seen the turnback policy work twice now (Labour/Green government in the interim reversed the policy) I’d suggest that Europe hops to it.

      Otherwise, at some point, all those “leaders” will lose their jobs.

      • Tim Ireland

        We’re sure lucky to have Tony as our PM. I only hope he is PM for many, many years to come.

        • Grace Ironwood

          His political nous will have to improve if that is to happen. And political communication organised from the PM’s office..

    • greggf

      The Dublin Treaty “was torn up by Merkel when her government declared that it will be ‘responsible’ for processing the claims of Syrians”. Although France has been making it work at the border with Italy at Ventmiglia; but, as we all know, people dump their documents to circumvent procedures once Merkel made her irresponsible comments to welcome anybody. The problems in Hungary last weekend were an example of this as an attempt to register undocumented migrants which failed because migrants obviously thought, correctly, that Germany would let them through.
      The Dublin Treaty can no longer work under such circumstances, and the next treaty to go must be Schengen as we see between Denmark and Germany and in parts of the EU’s old Eastern bloc.

      • greggf

        “…. and the next treaty to go must be Schengen ……”

        Well it didn’t take as long as I thought….I just wondering what France will do next…?

    • Jeremy Poynton

      Quite – indeed, Orban was castigated for applying EU rules. There may be an up for us out of all of this tho’ – it might wake people up to the fact that the EU is a juggernaut intent on destroying all concepts of national sovereignty and hence the nation state; this may well hugely affect the forthcoming referendum.

  • King Zog

    Great article. Incredibly insightful.

  • Suzy61

    The difficulties are so much clearer when all the over-emotive language is removed.

    Merkel has unilaterally re-drafted the Immigration Policy for the whole of Europe – and this was no mistake. The Dublin agreement was just that, an agreement, between the countries of the EU. It was not hers to abandon. In time, every immigrant in Germany will be free to travel on to any other EU country of their choosing.

    I would take issue with one aspect of this article. It states, as do all other reports, that the German people support this policy. According to Eurostat figures for 2014 less than 36% of German people supported more immigration (less than in the UK). We have to assume that support has risen substantially since last year if we are to believe the media on this.

    • Charles Hatvani

      Denmark is already closing the border with Germany. Would that other neighbouring countries to follow! Onya Holland, France, Italy, Austria, Czechs, Poles!!!

      • Shona

        What an incredible sentence, it hadn’t hit me. Denmark is closing its border with Germany for its own protection. Think about that for a second, or rather Merkel think about that.

        • Yannai

          It’s time the UK did the same.

        • Marlis frederiksen

          Things are happening fast. Border to Germany is open again. Sweden is critisising
          Denmark for not registring refugees (as per Dublin conv.) which Germany should have done. It appears now that Sweden is doing exactly the same sending refugees to Finland and Norway because they want to go there (and according to the police they cannot be registered by force).
          What a mess. Countries blaming each other and nowbody knows what direction to go. Well done Merkel and Junker. No leader of any EU state (apart maybe Humgary) dares to say
          as it is. The messages and warnings from the EU and Merkel cannot be taken seriously any more because they have no solution.

          • Shona

            Merkel and Juncker need to start doing what we pay them for, protecting EU citizens from physical threats.
            This is the latest terrorist attack, why did it suddenly kick of on 9 11? It was orchestrated.
            You couldn’t make it up, if you want to travel they will strip your old granny to her knickers and examine her back passage, yes they let an army of ISIL plants march into Vienna, and gave them flowers to boot.
            Merckel is sectionable. She is mentally ill and needs a holiday.

      • right1_left1

        This day thurs 10th Sept i was listening to lunch time BBC radio 2 when someone phoned ‘in’, claimed he had lived in Sweden where his ex wife still lived and wanted to compare Denmark and Sweden wrt immigration.and Denmark’s announced policy changes.

        At no stage did Vine allow the caller to say anything
        He just kept interrupting and finally thanked the caller for a contribution which he, Vine , had totally thwarted.

        BBC at its best !!!

        • Dr. Heath

          The news from Berlin is that each of many schools there now has dozens of new pupils. They’re from Syria. While images of kids learning a new language are endearing and while little children are not responsible in any way for wars or mass migrations, it is this sort of reporting of this catastrophe that reveals, like the censorship carried out by Jeremy Vine, how completely dedicated the BBC is to multiculti propaganda rather than to grown-up analysis of events. The fact that Denmark has closed its borders to keep out huge numbers of migrants has not, to my knowledge, been reported anywhere on British news outlets. Failure to report the news for obvious ideological reasons is indistinguishable from barefaced lying. When the Danes’ tactics are of necessity adopted across a number of European states, I wonder how our 120-160 k per annum BBC f*cktards will explain this to us morons.

          • right1_left1

            Another little gem concerning the BBC.

            Two Muslim teachers have just been sent to prison for severely beating a pupil who had failed to lean by heart extracts from the Qu’ran.

            The last BBC report I head concerning the sentence said that the teachers had been imprisoned for beating children for misbehaving in class!

          • Gilbert White

            This beating of children is permissible under Sharia. It is in the interests of everybody except the children to play on.

    • Johnny Dangerous

      The mood in Germany is dire and a little desperate, yet sadly 70 years of a proactive and punitive indoctrination of shaming and bullying about the war has left the German people too browbeaten and ashamed to even admit that they dont want this for fear of appearing fascist.

      • Sunshine Sux

        This isn’t entirely true. Germans are intelligent enough to know the differences between WW2 and what is transpiring here.
        The media’s portrayal of Germany standing at the train stations with balloons and welcome mats, is skewed, as it’s a tiny tiny minority, they just get the most coverage. Most Germans are pi$$ed!

        • Damaris Tighe

          They may be a minority but they’re probably the most ‘educated’ & therefore the most indoctrinated into virtue signalling. I’m sure that they really think that the best way to atone for N*zi Germany’s sins is to destroy the nation state & its people.

          • Sunshine Sux

            If you look at the pictures of the welcome committees’, you will see that they just look like your average Birkenstock wearing, smelly, tofu eating leftie, who probably works in a small bookshop or organic supermarket. In fact many German intellectuals are horrified.

          • Yannai

            GROLIES? (Guardian Readers Of Low Intelligence in Ethnic Skirts). 🙂

          • Yannai

            Damaris, the “virtue” signallers can be found everywhere. I am sure that in the future some psychological research will be able to form a personality typology that signifies them. The very intensity of their beliefs and their earnestness makes me wonder whether if there were no Syrians they’d be chaining themselves to trees or something else instead.

          • Damaris Tighe

            Well when things were a lot quieter on the migration front weren’t they digging up any number of idiotic supposed injustices to campaign about? Plight of trans*xual whales in the antartic?

      • Yannai

        That’s not so different from what is happening here. I no longer listen to or watch the news on radio or TV, beyond the headlines, because of the shloch journalism and the shameless attempts to tug on already overstretched heartstrings. I have become immune to lies.

        I am not rabidly nationistic, I am a British realist, I was born here and I like living here. I know that Islam and UK life are incompatible, like oil and water. I know far too much about Islam to be fooled into believing that we can somehow mix them together.

        That being the case, it makes absolutely no sense to open our gates wide to even more faux-refugees from Muslim countries, whose provenance is at least doubtful, when our border and other agencies have no idea which of them mean us harm and which not.

        I refuse to volunteer to commit suicide.

        • Icebow

          Perhaps we should just help the Christians, Yazidis, Druze, and other victims of muzz persecution. Sod the muzz.
          Anyone hear the muzzophile propaganda-drama on the Beeb last evening?

          • Yannai

            Yes of course, but how to spot the faux-Christians, among the Yazidis and others? Israel has a large population of Druze and is giving aid to Syrian and other Druze who are refugees.

            And no, I avoided it. I avoid anything on al-Beeb with Islam or refugees (which is a lie, by and large) in the title or the blurb.

            As I have written above, I am immune to lies.

          • Jeremy Poynton

            How to spot them? Offer them a bacon sandwich. Meanwhile, whilst their sport coverage is fine, we ignore the BBC radio, and don’t have a TV. Get the behind me, Beeboids

      • berosos_bubos

        So what is the excuse in England then ?

    • flippit

      Yes, and although this “grandstanding” makes her look liberal and compassionate, she is in fact throwing her weight about.

      • Jeremy Poynton

        Ex-Stasi.

  • Maria Schicklgruber

    It seems Mr.Putin & Russia are doing it right .
    The LGBT lifestyle isn’t plastered all over the place 24/7/365 for our children to see
    No unwanted illegal invaders allowed.
    Hates the Zionist banking system that is killing us all .
    Sees israel for what it has become.

    At least he gets some things right !

    • right1_left1

      The banking system and the creation of money as debt ( to basically implement a financial merry go round) is undoubtedly doing immense damage but at root it is not Zionist.
      You can blame Zionism for quite a lot but not everything !
      Many financial institutions are under Jewish control.

      As usual I’m telling the truth and feeling bold today

      I think fractional reserve banking methods originated in Italy.

      • Jeremy Poynton

        Venice I think – and I think it was Venice that had the first “financial crash”. Happy to be corrected.

    • Dr. Heath

      I’m not sure if Der Sturmer is still going but you might want to send some of your work there.

      • Damon

        It’s just another of the resident nutters that one encounters here, Dr Heath.

        • Dr. Heath

          The odious views of Hitler’s niece are shared with, in my experience, a growing number of deluded people who imagine that this particular form of racism is sophisticated. Amongst my children’s friends and acquaintances, barking mad neo-nazi cosmologies seem to be the norm. Is the cretinous but widespread need for hate figures part of the explanation?

          • Damon

            A big part of the explanation is the constant harping on the Palestinian conflict (in loaded terms, natch) and the blurring of the distinction between anti-Zionism and antisemitism. Personally, I even find anti-Zionism rather disagreeable.

            As you suggest, there are also quite a few prawns who have heard something about “Jewish plutocracy” and bandy it about in a pathetic attempt to sound clever. Such people are essentially sad, but when nutjob ideologies are repeated often enough they can get traction. After all, that’s what happened with Adolf. A good rule of thumb is: never let an antisemitic remark pass without challenging it. Shalom.

          • cartimandua

            Palestine is a mess for the same reasons every other Muslim country is a mess.
            Overpopulation because of the way women are treated and non inclusive government.

          • Dr. Heath

            A school system that takes every opportunity not to teach pupils anything whatsoever is also behind this. I was discussing crackpot views the other day with someone who turned out, sadly, to be a Truther. He had graduated relatively recently from a piss-poor comprehensive school and had gone on to learn from YouTube videos the corpus of bilge that forms the Truther Creed. His pro-Palestinian sympathies had encouraged him to look into the story of the Holocaust. Again, this meant a visit to one of his Truther sources on YouTube who [this ‘expert’ on the 9/11 atrocities happens to be, wouldn’t you know it, a notorious American nazi] to learn all of the standard Holocaust Denier myths. I tried in vain to explain how YouTube videos fail to qualify as educational resources.

            שלום

          • Damaris Tighe

            Absolutely.

          • Jonathan Clark

            Why the particular fervor of the anti-zionism that goes on (pretending to be dispassionate but really barely concealed hatred)? When almost everybody else (most of all Arabs) gets a pass? The blood libel and scape-goating that goes on with their anti-zionsim is too familiar a pattern to be anything other than code for that ancient, well practiced art; jew hatred.

          • Jonathan Clark

            Adolf’s mommy.

    • cartimandua

      Russian population is declining because it is so sh** being an ordinary Russian young men drink themselves to death and no one wants to have children.
      Why you think “gays” have anything to do with not having children I just cannot imagine.
      People in Russia are not having children because of the awful poverty.

      • davidofkent

        Oddly enough, poverty is associated with a high birthrate. Just look at Africa. The whole continent is a basket case and the population has ballooned. Of course it may just have something to do with the $Billions of aid that has poured into the continent over the past few decades.

        • cartimandua

          Its culture though not poverty. where it is what women are “for” men just have more wives and another lot of children if they have more money.
          Muslim countries only drop their birth rates with targeted effort.
          Bangladesh did well for a while and then stopped trying.

  • Maria Schicklgruber

    Arabs don’t take well to democracy. Is it our fault they prefer strong men ?

    Is there a country where Arabs rule over themselves ?

    • Jeremy Poynton

      Egypt is working on it – HUGE kudos to them for overthrowing Obama’s buddies, the Muslim Brotherhood.

  • Maria Schicklgruber

    The religion of PEACE has always taken the long view and will win just by out breeding everyone

    • Franz King

      Outbreeding : very effective strategy to take over, I’d say. Though not when it comes to producing civil societies, which it’s peaceful followers won’t be setting up anytime soon.

      • joe_publik

        Not only do they outbreed they also inbreed – with catastrophic results for mental and physical health. Muslims occupy more than 70% of French prison cells. Merkel’s muddled decision is madness!

      • q-pantagruel

        What the theologian David Bentley Hart describes
        as “militant fecundity”.

        • Jeremy Poynton

          aka “Womb Jihad”

    • David Prentice

      This is quite a new tactic, brought about by the calamitous error of politically correct Europeans actually inviting the hate-filled trojan horse into their own cities. They have been trying to storm Europe ever since the demon whispered into the prophet’s ear, all those years ago. The likes of Charles Martel and John Sobieski withstood them then but it seems that the sanctimonious left and the useful idiots at the BBC have carried the day.

      • q-pantagruel

        “Trojan horse” is an expression that has been occurring to me recently – and these Trojans don’t even need the horse.

  • Pagie

    WELL SAID…..

  • David Prentice

    If we’re going to dish out the blame, how about Tony Blair’s and George Bush’s roles in the current debacle? There are now no Christians in the Middle East. Slaughtered or fled. Cheers, lads!

    • mrs1234

      due to Islamists, Christians are forced to flee even refugee camps – they are truly the most vulnerable of Syrian and Iraqi refugees but little is done to support them.
      The attitude to Christians is what concerns me most about the massive influx of migrants. Online you can see large groups of refugee/migrants angrily rejecting aid that is marked with the symbol of the Red Cross.

      • Alison Blazeby

        Christians routinely get thrown out of the boats too, apparently.

      • Damaris Tighe

        What? What chutzpah!

        • mrs1234

          Chutzpah is one word for it. Uruguay welcomed some syrian refugees a year ago who are now saying that they want to leave because Uruguay has not lived up to its promises of well-paid work….
          http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/syrian-refugees-protest-leave-uruguay-33584821

          • Damaris Tighe

            Thanks for the link. The most interesting part of the story is that the countries they say they now want to go to are Lebanon …& Syria!

          • mrs1234

            Yes that was interesting to me and I’m not sure what is stopping them. Apparently one of the families flew to Serbia but were not allowed into the country and were returned.

      • Yannai

        We should close our borders to all of them. Islam mandates lying as we have seen from the accounts of the drowned child. It’d not be above any of these to pretend to be Christian.

        As for rejecting aid, if they are so stupid as to do that then let them starve.

        Israel and other Jewish charities are sending aid, too. Apparently there’s a team in every depot carefully obscuring any and all references to “Jewish” and/or “Israeli.”

        Were I they I wouldn’t.

    • cartimandua

      It was always going to kick off. There are 100 million young people in the MENA region. Governments rule by sect or tribe and then the disenfranchised fight or migrate.

    • stuartMilan

      fine by me – but’s let’s keep in mind Saudi Arabia’s role in funding ISIS

    • WTF

      That just hastened it, it would have happened anyway.

    • Hamburger

      A lot has happened since then. If we keep blaming them we will end up like the Arabs: always blaming the past.

  • ohforheavensake

    And no. There’s no evidence that, for refugees, the pull factor actually operates.

  • Dr. Heath

    They that sow the wind shall reap the whirlwind. What will Frau Merkel’s harvest look like? Massacres in synagogues, schools and train stations? Tent cities? Blocks of flats like the high-rise slums in Marseille? Very disappointed and angry men forced to make a living selling trinkets or working as bob-a-job car washers? The discovery that many, if not most, of the fit, young men crossing the border today will start, tomorrow, to apply for their middle-aged parents, their wives and children and their siblings’ entire families to follow them into Germany? No-go areas? Swastikas daubed on cemeteries? Medieval blasphemy laws to placate an irrational, anti-secular and routinely violent minority? A German equivalent of Anjem Choudary scolding the Germans for being “criminals” solely on the grounds that they are not Muslims?

    • Johnny Dangerous

      Has it occurred to you that what you describe is exactly what Merkel and her dark coven wants? Now ask yourself why and who would this benefit – cuo bono? – and you will soon find yourself at the door of the manipulators behind this.

      • lmda

        The would-be creators of a trans-national Euro army?

      • Dr. Heath

        It’s ‘cui bono’.

        I’m getting this feeling that anything that’s occurred to you will never occur to me.

        שלום to you too.

        • Johnny Dangerous

          There’s something very feeble about a man and his arguments when his first instinct is to point out a typo. Consider yourself part of the problem – beware the solution.

          • Sunshine Sux

            liking your own comments is retarded

          • Yannai

            Have you heard of the principle of parsimony?
            Thought not.

    • stuartMilan

      it’s appalling to see Merkel conduct the affairs of the German state with such recklessness. elsewhere it’s being reported that Saudi Arabia has offered to build 200 mosques in Germany, if true, this means that Germany is now to be Islamised and the the achievements of German secular humanism are to be discarded – one doubts that the Germans themselves will be happy to see this happen. Really, has Merkel taken bribes?

      • Dr. Heath

        Or the wrong sort of pills?

        • stuartMilan

          if only the problem was a only a question of her medication, if only

          • jwa

            I AGREE!!!

      • Damaris Tighe

        A German housing estate originally designated for the homeless is to be emptied of its residents so ‘refugees’ can move in. The existing residents are poor & say they have nowhere to go

        • stuartMilan

          i read about that too. there’s a dreadful reckoning coming…

          • Yannai

            Yes. And it will come to the UK too unless Dozy Dave gets a real grip.

          • stuartMilan

            the last few days have revealed him to an over-privileged, over-promoted second rater whose only ability is to play at being PM. i don’t see anyone in our political class capable of grasping what the national interest should be and acting on that belief. they all want to pick over the corpse of the dying UK in the most lucrative manner possible – pace the lowering of the flag to half-mast when the Saudi monarch died. They’re whores, who don’t care at all about the damage they are doing to the country.

          • Jeremy Poynton

            He is however spot on by saying we should deal with “refugees” in the camps, and not by encouraging them to drown in the Med.

          • ragdoll

            what he says and what he does are completely different……

          • Jeremy Poynton

            Really? Explain. Note that the UK has contributed more to the refugee camps in Jordan and the Lebanon than the rest of the EU together.

            Anyway, over to you. Sod the gnomic comments, say what you mean?

          • ragdoll

            I agree Britain…..not Cameron, (it is not his money) has done a great deal to help the refugees in the camps, and no one would begrudge this help to people in genuine need as these obviously are, that did not stop him back peddling at the EU’s command to take thousands more into Britain when he already said he would not. No need to get stroppy you know he really is the master of the U turn…………

          • amicus

            Pedalling.

          • Harryagain

            The problem with that is we then get the poor, uneducated, sick, and children.
            They will be a drain on our resources for years.
            If you’re sick get an appointment quick.
            You’ll be waiting for weeks later on.

          • Bill the Cat

            Actually, letting them drown in the Med isn’t even close to the worst case scenario.

          • amicus

            Charming.

          • Bill the Cat

            Reality often presents you with numerous poor choices.

            You decide: crime, disease and having your children used for muslim “outreach” or dropping your PC, holier-than-thou-BS.

          • amicus

            Charming.

          • Patricia

            Spot on. Who is there to stop him though ? He hasn’t the moral courage needed to put our country first. He has neglected his duty to his country and its people. Europe shouted at him and he rolled over. Wonderful !

          • berosos_bubos

            what is in the national interest is not a consideration for them.

          • stuartMilan

            it’s desolating to have to say, but you’re right. our democracy has been reduced to a public theatre for liars to make their careers

          • Harryagain

            Only a matter of time before Camoron caves in to EUSSR pressure..to take more boat people.
            The Beeb is priming us up for it already with it’s drivel/propaganda.

          • PaD
          • stuartMilan

            he won’t. Cameron neither has the substance nor the inclination to do anything of the sort

          • tgtbt

            Cameron is merkle,merkle is Cameron,they want the same things,they are not of europeans.

        • stuartMilan

          …leaving us to note that the question of integration is to be dealt with simply by evicting the powerless – who will then be lectured on how all this is so so good for them. charming.

          • Damaris Tighe

            Sickening.

          • AJH1968

            I think a whore still has more integrity than a pimp; the political class are pimping the very future of the countries children. If there is any credible history after this appalling betrayal it will certainly not look kindly on the current political class. The main focus of the contemporary politician is to look good and dam the long term consequences. Just another vacuous reality show unfortunately.

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          • will91

            Quite frankly Merkel should be shot.

            She’s a traitor to western civilisation.

          • PaD
          • DellerboyNZ

            ME states such as Qatar and Saudi have many jobs that locals either can’t or won’t do.
            Do these countries grant residence for families of workers from Bangladesh etc and shoulder the costs of schooling and health care?
            No, they allow limited stay guest workers to come, make some money and then leave.
            This demographic argument about Western Europe is dopey. Don’t migrants age and require pensions and increased levels of medical care? Given the workforce participation of many Muslims in the UK , their taxes don’t pay for their current costs let alone their costs in old age.

          • Guilttripjunkie

            Your last statement is the next taboo that the supporters of Muslim immigration want to suppress.

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          • moronophobe

            those politicians wouldn’t be in power if they weren’t elected. so they are not so much a phenomenon in their own right but a reflect of how decadent, one-dimensional and stupid we the people are.

        • Penny

          I’ve heard similar stories from Sweden. There appears to be a collective hysteria abroad. It’s the social equivalent of the same craze I saw sweep through my little nieces’ school when loom bands hit the market.

        • Harryagain

          Yep.
          There’s a youtube video about this.
          Search:-
          “German government evicts poor Germans”

        • Sue Smith

          I was in Berlin in 2011 and a restaurant owner told me that Berlin was still comparatively poor, compared to the rest of the country, because of the re-unification of the city in 1989. He said many people were unemployed and needed to get up to speed regarding skills and that the incomes were, consequently, comparatively low.

          Is this the new ‘promised land’?

          • Guilttripjunkie

            There has always been a neo nazi presence in East Germany. This will only increase as problems arise from taking in so many culturally incompatible refugees. Merkel will resurrect the very thing that has led to her guilt trip.

          • Sue Smith

            We went on a boat along the river Sprey (spelling?) and this took us past the old East Berlin. There were a huge number of derelict buildings almost completely covered in graffiti and angry people sitting by the river with two fingers in the air to us. And this was 2011!!!

            Nobody wants neo-Nazis. But, unfortunately, any form of dissent at all will be so demonized by the Left – pushing discontent underground.

          • stuartMilan

            “Spree”

          • Sue Smith

            That’s what I originally thought! Could anything be less appropriately named?

          • Gordon Fraser

            As well as increased organised crime, drug importation and child sex grooming and rape etc.

        • slyblade

          Do you have a link for that, i cant find anything on the web. It is appalling this is happening and should be passed around for all to see

          • Damaris Tighe

            I don’t have the skills to copy a link but if you google the following you’ll see what you want at the top of the page:

            Youtube german government evict poor germans for illegals

          • slyblade
          • Damaris Tighe

            Thanks!

      • Sunshine Sux

        This has Turkey all over it.

      • Germainecousin

        Hitler was an admirer of islam. Perhaps there is a residue of that affinity in that country. Merkel has shown herself to be sharp as a knife where economics are concerned, how she she be so blind when it comes to the preservation of culture.

        • Yannai
        • stuartMilan

          I’d say: The Third Reich and Germany are two different things. On the issue of the preservation of culture, we talking really about the preservation of civil society itself. Of course, it’s easier to give away something when you don’t think you and yours will ever see the downside – it won’t be the Merkel children who’ll be at risk from rape gangs.

          • jennybloggs

            She doesn’t have children and she is likely to retire or leave office soon, so the consequences of her decision will not be suffered by her.

          • Harryagain

            We have a new Fourth Reich, the EUSSR.
            Fortunately seems rwady to collapse shortly.

          • stuartMilan

            Don’t count on it. The enormous social dislocations in course now will not be experienced by those who have let them happen. They’ll pass the bill on and use all the media power at their disposal to enforce their view of reality on us.

          • PaD

            Well here we go…cos it has started

            http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18519395

          • stuartMilan

            thanks for the link. the suggestion there contained is truly outrageous – how much did it cost to purchase this policy?

          • stuartMilan

            ps. of course, it’s only a coincidence that Sutherland is making these statements at the same time that Merkel has opened the doors, right?

        • Jeremy Poynton

          And Islam was well in with the Nazis, especially the Obama’s besties, the Muslim Brotherhood.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world

        • mrs1234

          Well Islam teaches hatred of Jews from the cradle so I guess they had a common enemy and that made them close pals.

        • PaD

          Perhaps she knows this character.

          http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18519395

      • Penny

        More years ago than I care to admit to, I lived in Munich and have returned in recent years. On my last-but-one visit, which coincided with Reunification day, a demo was taking place at Karlsplatz – a central point in the city. It was against attempts to build a mega mosque – or a European Islamic centre, depending on what I read on various hand-out leaflets.

        I didn’t catch all of the speeches but I think the argument against this building was its location and the impact it would have on the historic buildings of Munich. Despite the signatures collected, there is no indication that those against this mega mosque (the plans of which appear to crop up in various European cities) will win.

        The Germans are in a very tricky situation because of their history. I suspect few really want a mega mosque, especially if it impacts on their historical landscape, but are reluctant to voice any concern against a religious group – for obvious reasons.

        • stuartMilan

          the purpose of the mega-mosque is of course to establish dominion. i can imagine that modern-day Germans are sensitive to accusations of religious prejudice, but i can only hope that they realise that they’re be played for fools by an alien intention that has no such scruple

          • Penny

            Daft as it probably sounds, I was a little shocked to come across this rally. The Mega Mosque / European Islamic Centre initiative had already been rejected in London, as had the mosque at Ground Zero. I was a little shocked to realise that this objective is going to keep rolling out until it succeeds somewhere. Even if it is against the will of the people.

            Yes – the German people are wary, even of displays of national pride. I don’t think you see the national flag flying in many places outside of a football match. (the Bayerisch flag is, however, flown) It was the German desire to show how non-aggressive they were that was an indirect cause of the massacre of Israelis at the Olympic games in 1972.

          • Damaris Tighe

            Yet the Palestinians behind the massacre were aided by local neo-n*zis.

          • Penny

            It wasn’t just that, Damaris. The security measures weren’t as they should have been, and that was a direct result of the reputation the Germans had acquired for officialdom and aggression. The Olympic committee (or whoever it was that arranged the event) wanted the world to see a relaxed Germany – a Germany that wasn’t a “your papers please!”-type country or one that had gun-toting, uniformed men all over the place. It was this desire to re-set their reputation that aided the Palestinians.

          • Damaris Tighe

            Interesting …

          • mabank

            Neo-Nazis seemed to have sold some weapons to the terrorists, on the other hand those people were demanding to liberate RAF terrorists from prison. So there is an even tighter relationship to the radical left. Not to mention that Nazis are National SOZIALISTS!

          • rockylives

            When Germany next seeks to dominate Europe by force of arms in, perhaps, 40 or 50 years time, the driving philosophy will be Islamofascism.

            Unfortunately I severely doubt that there will still be a UK – as our parents’ generation knew it – to put up any resistance.

        • Damaris Tighe

          Their karma is coming to haunt them because in 1933-45 they cried wolf when there was no wolf. Now it’s within the gates they try to feed it.

          • Yannai

            And export it to others for them to feed it, Damaris.

          • lmda

            Yes. (Except that I don’t believe in Karma) It’s more that, whenever people claim to have ‘learned from history’ or tell other people to do so, they’ve almost invariably learned the wrong lesson from history. It almost makes one want to recommend historical ignorance. The people who supported ‘peace in our time’ thought they had learned from their recent history. Marx was wrong (again) History doesn’t repeat itself or we might have understood what it was saying by now.

          • Damaris Tighe

            The lesson European elites learned was ‘no national identity’ & ‘no pride except gay pride’. What they should have learned was ‘no appeasement’ & ‘no supremicism’.

          • Kate S.

            Ah, yes, the gay pride movement — and I have absolutely nothing against homosexuals — will go over so well with the Muslims. Let’s take a look at a rather typical fatwa from Islamonline.net:

            “Each crime (murder, homosexual rape) merits the death penalty. ‘Homosexuality, moreover, is an
            abomination and a grave sin.’ Different penalties exist
            for homosexuality: ‘in the Hanafi school of thought, the
            homosexual is punished through harsh beating, and
            if he/she repeats the act, death penalty is to be applied.
            As for the Shafi`i school of thought, the homosexual
            receives the same punishment of adultery (if he/she is
            married) or fornication (if not married). This means,
            that if the homosexual is married, he/she is stoned to
            death, while if single, he/she is whipped 100 times.’
            Burning and stoning are also cited as possible
            punishments.”

            According to this study, 61% of Muslims believe homosexuality is wrong and should be illegal: http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawForAll.pdf

          • Penny

            Have you ever read/seen the Milgram “obedience to authority” experiment, Damaris? That, I think, is one that should be on our school curriculum.

          • PaD
          • Penny

            It’s a mess, Damaris. Although I agree with your point, I also think that just as our current generation is continually expected to compensate for past empire building, so the German people are caught in a similar trap through the past actions of the Nazis. In neither case is this going to end well. Psychologically, there is only so much self-flagellation that a group can administer before the stick no longer has any effect.

        • mrs1234

          This building will be a fortress.

        • aguafiesta

          Germany`s history is just that, history. No one should be expected to atone for the sins of their forfathers.

          • Jeremy Poynton

            Except us Brits and our empire…

          • mabank

            What was it, that the Swedish did wrong in the past? The wikings doing raids in Europe?

        • PaD
        • Ambientereal

          That is certainly a challenge. If the Germans don´t react, they will be under the islam foot very soon.

      • Pioneer

        She must have a mental illness of some kind.

        • Patricia

          Well her decision to import almost 1m people of a different culture and creed and expect them (or simply not care) to assimilate certainly shows a certain instability of thought.

      • Guilttripjunkie

        A conspiracy theorist obsessed friend reckons’ Merkel is still working for the Russians. The open invite to Syrian Muslims is a means to destabilise Western Europe. Personally I think it is mainly a WW2 guilt trip. The irony is her invite will jump start anti migrant fascism again .

        • PaD
        • stuartMilan

          not wanting to see the repellent philosophy of fundamentalism Islam destroy the civil society of this country doesn’t make me a fascist. but to pondef that would mean some minutes not spent polishing that which you fondly suppose to be your progressive virtues

        • mabank

          She’s rather working for US geostrategic thinkers. Google for Thomas Barnett. She’s basically executing his fascists ideas. And at the same time the Hooton Plan.

      • Guilttripjunkie

        How ironic, they refuse to accept a single Syrian migrant but are willing to build mosques for them in their new host country.

        • stuartMilan

          it’s an expansionist programme in full course

      • Monsier_Hulot

        “[…] one doubts that the Germans themselves will be happy to see this happen.”

        I’m German and I personally don’t know anybody who is happy about this development.
        Yet our media tries to make us believe, that the majority of our people is happy about it, that the arriving of the Syrians will remedy the shortage of skilled labor and that all the people protesting against it are Nazis.

        • Narna Joan

          Left-wing liberal media. Just like in Sweden. Which I would say is more like far-left wing. Totally distorting the facts so that everyone should believe multi-kulti always works. And anybody who says otherwise is nazi.

          I feel sorry for the next generations. I truly feel sorry.

        • jwa

          Germany has a labour shortage??and must allow Syrians in,,within the eu there are several millions long term unemployed,mostly youngsters members of the eu ,and yet these people have been ignored,why,,is there no love in the eu family,get a grip fr merkel

          • Monsier_Hulot

            “Germany has a labour shortage?”

            That’s what we are being told. Actually it’s a lie. Germany has only a shortage of people willing to offer their work for next to nothing. If the companies would offer adequate wages I’m pretty sure there wouldn’t be any shortage of qualified workers. But it’s sadly all about profit maximization…

      • Ilpalazzo

        Perhaps she’s been ‘converted’?

        • stuartMilan

          well see if she decides not to authorise the construction of those 200 mosques

        • mabank

          Converted to US dominated globalism maybe.

          • Ilpalazzo

            Would you prefer Islamic dominated globalism? Globalism came about with explorations and expansion. And what part of this globalism is US dominated? Most products aren’t made in the US.

      • Minnie Pearl

        “Distinguished Belgian journalist Paul Belien, one of Europe’s most insightful commentators, put it this way:

        ‘In Europe a secularized post-Christian culture is facing a Muslim one. The secularized culture is hedonist and values only its present life, because it does not believe in an afterlife. This is why it will surrender when threatened with death because life is the only thing it has to lose. This is why it will accept submission without fighting for its freedom. Nobody fights for the flag of hedonism, not even the hedonists themselves.'” http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/02/why_american_evangelicals_are.html

        • stuartMilan

          he’s wrong. we have our children. and they ARE worth fighting for

          • Minnie Pearl

            Keep that spirit. Paul Belien went on to work with/for Geert Wilders. Give him a google. He’s not wrong; you misunderstand the quote. You, yourself, may have your children to fight for, but those who have allowed this invasion over the past few decades have not had their or your children at heart. Furthermore, with the birthrate as low as it is, less people have children to fight for. They aren’t sufficiently invested in the future. A depressed people and culture is one that fails to sufficiently reproduce. Relying on immigrants with hostile ideologies to replace children not being born is cultural suicide. That’s not you, personally, but that’s the reality of situation.

      • 2fishypoliticians

        Frau Merkel and many of her other compatriots seem to be trying to absolve themselves of their post-Holocaust guilt by taking in all comers. The great tragedy of this is that whereas Jews who were annihilated genuinely contribute to the wider national good, too many muslims see their main goal to be convert others to islam through any means, be it fair, violent or otherwise. Germany and wider Europe will regret Merkel’s act of total folly for generations to come. I sincerely hope European leaders will come to their senses before the inevitable persecution and terrorism from certain quarters of the visitors arises.

    • Monkish

      “A German equivalent of Anjem Choudary scolding the Germans for being
      “criminals” solely on the grounds that they are not Muslims?”

      Not so much prophesy as a description of a present reality in Germany. Last summer during the Israeli Gaza op angry Muslim mobs screamed “Jews to the Gas” in the streets of Berlin. Choudary-like Islamofascist vigilante groups are already organized. Google “Wuppertal” and “Sharia Police.”

      • Dr. Heath

        I had no idea. It’s truly much worse than I imagined. Indeed, the more that voters in the EU – and I include all decent people from whatever backgrounds – realise that their politicians view them as embarrassing obstacles to the creation of a fairy tale Eurostan world with a homogenised population of sheeple – the sooner they might vote instead for the return to a concept of civilisation based on the idea of European nation states.

    • English man

      These liberals, or socialists what ever they call themselves, Junker, Merkel and the ilk, they cannot discriminate or identity with their own culture or heritage. To them, that is a sin. They just can’t so no, else they look like that which they hate. They spend their entire lives trying to promote everything which isn’t their own. Promote anything which isn’t German, isn’t French, isn’t European.

      Masochists and self haters : This they do best.

      • mike53
        • English man

          I shall have a look mike53. Thank you

      • berosos_bubos

        As a right-winger i say Corbyn will be dangerous to them because he is of an independent mind.

        • English man

          Agreed. Cameron is a caretaker for the banks, nothing more. However Corbyn is a Socialist and a real socialist at that. But, he is also a free thinker, and he will go against the grain. This will upset the Blairites. I imagine many of them are collecting their belongings as we speak.

          When Corbyn woke up this morning he was a Socialist, and in five years time he will still be a Socialist, only more purposeful. Cameron and the careerists change their skins to suit their ratings. Such titles mean nothing to them.

          Whether or not he gets in at the general election (which I wouldn’t write off) is a matter of speculation. Only time will tell. But if he did win, we would see a massive change in state control, foreign policy, and not to mention the economy.

    • Germainecousin

      All Germany cares about is a big, cheap workforce. There is in my opinion no Christian virtue in what Merkel is doing. The heritage that thousands upon thousands gave their life and their entire thoughts and rational to, is now literally being smashed to pieces. All these ridiculous votes for liberal acts such as ssm are the work of a schizophenic population. How can Europe claim to want a tolerant society when it is bringing in a culture that will savage that same society.

      • stuartMilan

        indeed. “Tolerance, not Suicide”

      • mabank

        That is leftwing-liberal double think.

    • Yannai

      This is how the daft bat managed it

      http://gatesofvienna.net/2015/09/the-welcoming-culture-as-an-expression-of-a-cultural-coma/ – notably:

      “… Generation Drink-Until-You’re-Comatose. If someone has no sense of his own values, he considers all people nice, no matter what they believe, think or represent. For the drinker, everyone is welcome to drink; for the person with no culture, everyone is welcome. If you no longer stand for anything, you have no grounds to reject anyone else. This is the Welcoming Culture as an expression of cultural coma. It is not the classless society that is the end of all differentiation and every history..”

      And this, I think, is the psychological process which underpins it.
      http://www.faithfreedom.org/how-islam-fascinates-the-west/

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    • berosos_bubos

      Yes I’m sure she knows that, the question is why ? The way she dumped all her nuclear power stations indicates she will do anything for political power. The only reason can be related to the link provided below, ie part of a strategy to end nation states and reduce the resistance to EU empire building.

    • tgtbt

      Merkle does not speak for the people of Germany,merkle speaks for her zionistic masters,merkle is a communist crypto Jew.

    • Ambientereal

      The conditions given by the treaty of Versalles are being repeated. The Germans are being squeezed between their right to a nation and their gilts of the past. And I think Merkel is contributing largely to build a new leader that breaks all that and brings Germany to his old luster.

    • Does liberalism make politicians myopic?

      What kind of fool cannot see, it you put dog food on the porch, you will attract more dogs.

      By announcing open borders Merkel assures countless refugee/invaders will swamp Germany.

      This well meaning program will sow the seeds of German/islamic civil war or total German collapse.

      Not a good outlook for a “well meaning liberal” choice.

    • jack

      Gee, I think I hear rivers of blood beginning to flow. Hark you oh muse.

    • TheJustCity

      Who knows what Merkel’s endgame is. Here’s a perspective to ruminate on: she is looking to restart WW2 – along the same battle lines. Hysterical sci-fi? Conspiracy-mongering? Look at it this way, a near-future Germany with a rapacious belligerent form of mutated socialism (with the EU as the ‘nationalism’ cause) which has been co-engineered by unrestrained Islamism (courtesy of huge new monocultural immigrant populations) being allowed to have a pivotal political power base in the country, sets its sights on Christian culture-favouring Czecho/Poland/Slovakia….

    • Heureka

      I’m German and I agree completely! And so do nearly all the commentators on the German sites! We have the most stupid Government …
      But our media is not “allowed” to say the truth or to mention all the possibly following problems.

  • A real liberal

    After a decade of shaping and leading precisely what Europe needed – a pacific, democratic, profitable, generous, tax-paying country in the heart of a gormless continent – this huge and credulous mistake will overshadow her every achievement. History – and countless ruined and lost lives – will judge her harshly.

    • My opinion – Angela Merkel is a dangerous fool. Will she go down in history as the person who destroyed Germany?

  • LittleRedRidingHood

    She will also be the architect of the next European war as a result.
    This the the beginning of the end.

    • Shona

      It’s hard to escape the idea that our countries are collapsing. I went into the centre~high street of my Parisian district, the 18th, yesterday and you had maybe 200 illegal migrants openly occupying the area with mattresses etc. The police looking on doing nothing. This against a situation which has become progressively worse over the past months. There are people sleeping rough everywhere. One Roma woman begs with a baby sometimes and with a doll instead. It would be funny if it weren’t part of such a worsening problem. Sometimes in the same carriage you have two agressive beggars and an agressive crazy person at the same time. The stress levels here are going through the roof. My partner who uses public transport here even more than I do is sometimes driven to horrible levels by the anxiety caused by overcrowding and anti social behaviour. Those of us at the bottom of the scale are taking the brunt of this.
      At some point people have to realize that there is no place for you here. The ultra materialism of everyone wanting an iPhone should not be driving migratory flow. I’m sorry but you are not better off sleeping rough on a mattress in Paris with an iPhone than at home in an African village without one.
      Also it used to be that people came looking for freedom, this is no longer the case, they now do not integrate and continue to cleave to values eg against women, that aren’t compatible. There is a massive surrealism reading Columbia University et al’s instructions on pronouns, where I now feel uncomfortable walking down the street outside my home with my arms uncovered.
      Sorry for the rant, but it feels pretty hairy here. I am seriously thinking about how to prepare for civil strife here. If I were Jewish I would already have left.

      • Sunshine Sux

        I have many Jewish friends who have left Paris since January.
        These ‘immigrants’ will finally finish Hitler’s job.

        • Shona

          I don’t blame them. Anything Jewish here is protected by troops with machine guns. You see Jewish primary schools surrounded by high fences and soldiers with guns. No one would want their children to grow up like that.
          Also, and this is the first time I have said this out loud, I’m expecting the next terrorist atrocity to be a St Bartholemy’s “event”. I hope not but I think it’s coming.

      • Damaris Tighe

        That’s a very good point, Shona, that it used to be that people migrated looking for freedom. That’s why they were able to integrate into European & N American democracies. And of course, whatever the motivation for migration, size matters. At a certain point instead of them adapting to us, we have to adapt to them. Very large immigrant communities create confidence amongst their members & too much confidence creates an unwillingness to melt into the majority culture. I feel for you.

      • LittleRedRidingHood

        I agree. The backlash is brewing. I just hope the UK see sense to leave the EU in 2017. Then build our armed forces ready for the next war as the rest of Europe descends into chaos

    • WTF

      No one would have thought that an assassination of an Austrian Arch Duke in Yugoslavia would result in the Great War but considering the Islamification of Sweden, (75% complete), Germany (on target at 40%), France (25%) with Hungary & Denmark saying no more immigrants, the seeds for a religious and cultural war across Europe are firmly planted. The only question mark is who will the forces of the state be aimed at, the natural indigenous people or those trying to corrupt their culture !

      • LittleRedRidingHood

        A true, strong leader will emerge to crush them decisively once and for all.
        At least I hope so.

        • Leon Wolfeson

          Yea, crush the germans!.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            Seeing as they’ll be majority Muslim, yes I tend to agree with you.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Oh, so you now make up nonsense about Germany. Right.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            Pure demographics chum.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Ah, so you plan on mass murder. I see.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            Do I? Only if attacked. I think that may be called self defence.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            And of course, your definition of attacked…

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            Is If they come armed on military ships and military planes across the channel. Its been tried a few times before.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Yea, shame about what your fellow travellers are saying isn’t it.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            My fellow travellers on the 7:49 northern rail service only seem interested in the football scores.
            They must have lied on your survey.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            So you’re denying your ideology. That’s sad.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            What ideology? I’m just having fun winding up an ignoramus.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            So, you’re winding yourself up. Okay.
            As you frantically deny your ideology.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            Psst! It’s not working you know. Funny though. I think you’re expecting me to explode in rage at your childish jibes. You really must try harder, or not at all chum.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            You won’t read my posts anyway, of course, as you project.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            Becoming more doubtful by the day.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            How could you know?

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            I know as much as you pal.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Really, so which cupboard did I put the pasta sauce in earlier?

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            You didn’t. It’s still in the shopping bag on the kitchen floor.
            Careful you don’t trip over it.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Nope, one of my housemates was responsible for that one today.

    • Leon Wolfeson

      So, your blame her for your planning. And the war you want.

      • LittleRedRidingHood

        Excellent. Your ability to read between the lines is ………. sending you in the wrong direction.
        War doesn’t float my boat thanks all the same

        • Leon Wolfeson

          I’m reading your post, sadly for you, as you claim that your not following your Jihad is “sending you in the wrong direction.”

          And I get it, War is your cause, your passion, etc.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            Tsk tsk! Did you proof read that before you posted.

            By the way. I’m too busy to start a war, but I suspect we are on a path towards that eventuality

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Ah, I used facts. Well.

            Oh, you say you’ve delegated it while you laze around. As you “suspect” you’re paying for trying to cause one.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            I’ve got £1.25 will that do? I’ll dig out my spud gun.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Always the violence…

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            It might leave a nasty red mark.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            On your right hand? That ain’t *violence*.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            I’ll not ask what you use your right hand for. Suffice to say your eyesight isn’t what It used to be.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            I was snarky and rude. You’re just being rude.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            If you can’t stand the heat, I’d toddle off if I were you.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Yes, of course you want to drive me away, with your guns, your heat.

            And of course, snark and humour are British after all.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            Why would I want to drive you away? You are providing me with much entertainment. Please do stay.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            So your bot isn’t even consistent.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            We have words every now and again. It knows who is the boss.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Except when it’s posting for you. Right. So…

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            Heh heh. It knows

          • Leon Wolfeson

            “It”. Oh, it’s not a bot, it’s a personality. Well.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            Yes. We get on really well.

    • Hamburger

      Catalyst perhaps but not the architect. If it comes, it will be by accident and through incompetence rather than by design.

    • jwa

      I thought your remarks about a euro war somewhat grass!!,,, until I realised that a major conflict could arise,,the euro currency is controlled by Germany,,in the interest of Germany,most euro countries have suffered because of this,merkel flouts the irish agreement,,opens Germanys door to tens of thousand migrants who live outside of the EU,could not cope with these new arrivals,then demands Europe should share this intake,if not they will be fined the eastern countries like Poland said no to immigration,has now changed its mind,why? pressure from merkel perhaps??I feel if fr merkel does not get her way there will be punishments of sorts,and will lead to a downword slide,am I talking nonsense??just look how the Greece was handled.

      • LittleRedRidingHood

        Merkel, like all the other EU leaders are masters of their own destruction. They think they can import the middle east and Africa and control them when they arrive.
        A misplaced notion.
        This is what we are importing.

        https://youtu.be/8U36fCE_vCE

        Of course you won’t see this on the BBC.

  • MickC

    Unfortunately, a strong Germany is proving to be the problem it always has been.

  • HJ777

    Cameron should point the finger at other European countries – such as Germany and France – that are sending much less financial aid to the region. I believe the figures show that the UK is giving as much as the rest of Europe put together.

    If those countries were as generous as the UK (and Cameron should demand that they are), the plight of refugees would be much improved. Refugees camps do not have to be terrible places, as camps such as Kilis demonstrate. When the conflict is over, Syria will need its people to return.

    • Jeremy Poynton

      We should however be taking in Christians and other minority sects fleeing the region – they get set upon in the camps, so have nowhere to hide, all the more so as the West seems not to give a sod about them.

  • Nick

    Excellent and truthful article.

  • Jacobi

    I’m disappointed in Merkel. She was being sensible, (we thought) and then suddenly collapsed. Just another German still obsessed with the guilt of WW11. And we all suffer as a result.
    The situation in Europe is now out of control – thanks to the Germans, and we will all suffer.
    Yes there are some refugees in the current surge, but many more economic migrants and religious migrants of different persuasion. Young active men of military age off to fight and we and Europe are their target.
    The Hungarians, who have some experience of these matters, made their point, but Germany has panicked and ignored their warning.

    What on earth, or rather in Heavens name are we to do?

    • Any ‘refugee’ that moves from the first EU country to the next without claiming asylum is an economic migrant and that’s pretty much all of them.

    • For the UK – leave the EU, then take it from there.

      • Jacobi

        Sadly, the problem will follow us. We or rather the next generation, whether secularist or Christian, will be involved – and it will not be pleasant

        • Damaris Tighe

          Makes Dignitas look like a pleasant option.

          • WTF

            I’d rather go down fighting.

          • Damaris Tighe

            Long time since I handled a gun & I’ve chronic lower back pain. So count me out.

          • WTF

            A very long time for me too but if necessary !

          • Sarony

            But I’m sure you could contribute by making up a few litres of that good old revolutionary standby, the Molotov Cocktail, for the rest of us to chuck.

        • That’s just the beginning!

    • Damaris Tighe

      Strange that a united Germany is always a problem for Europe.

      • Sunshine Sux

        But Germany could not be more divided right now, just like most of Europe.

        • Shona

          But is Germany really that divided? More and more it feels that we have the people of the EU on one side and the elites and metropolitan Bohos on the other (but I repeat myself).
          Did you see Russel Brand possibly moving to Henley lol. You couldn’t make it up.

          • Sunshine Sux

            Yes, I have family in Germany, I Skype and email with a cousin every few days, he sends me links. Germans are beside themselves, and the media and government just ignore and keep pushing propaganda.
            Germans themselves are comparing this insane joy over a violent alien invading culture, being forced onto them, to the mad rush in Germany when Hitler was elected. They say Merkel has lost her mind.

          • Shona

            This is what I’m saying, I suspect your cousin is in the majority. “violent alien invading culture” exactly how it feels. An Egyptian friend says about the Islamicists, either they are in power or they kill everyone. I think this is what’s new, very few people are saying “uncontrolled immigration, how wonderful’.

          • Hamburger

            Don’t they kill everyone when they are in power then?

          • Hamburger

            Oh yes we are very divided. east and west and north and south, By south I mean Bavaria.

    • Chris Taylor

      “Disappointed” “sensible”. Surely stronger words are called for. When Hitler’s army invaded Poland they were more than “miffed”. Indeed the East Europeans must be wondering what has hit them. Out of the frying pan, into the fire?

      • Jacobi

        Chris,
        The art of understatement. We, or rather my children and grandchildren, will have plenty of time for direct language in the next 10 to 20 years.
        I f you are of their generation , Godspede!

      • WTF

        Ain’t that the truth.

  • Mille

    It is estimated that the 800.000 expected asylum seekers in Germany will cost the German taxpayers approximately 15 billion Eur pro annum. At the same time UNCHR has serious Funding problems and have had to cut back on aid i Jordan, Lebanon, Turkey, Iraq with the result that even more refugees see no other option but to try to migrate to Europe. Just imagine what 15 billion could do for the refugees in those countries, not only in terms of food and shelter, but aid to the governments to cope with the structural problems such as schools, healt care etc.
    The madness of the EU is complete …. either that or else the politicians are completely incompetent.

    • Johnny Dangerous

      If only it was the 800,000 – they are young men, to follow are their wives, parents, siblings, nephews and nieces and of the course the 6 children they will each have. Unless these immigrants are EXPELLED then Europe is lost – we cannot assimilate anymore, they MUST leave.

      • Mille

        I know – the problems are the same in Denmark (where I am from), although on a lesser scale than what you see in Sweden, Germany etc. But it will require a political mandate and at present the voters simply have not given the politicians (there are parties in every European country that want to stop the mass migration) that mandate. I am pretty sure that we in the future will see the rise of parties that have repatriation on the agenda and that we are facing a future of violent clashes between ethnic/religious groups, far left (often siding with islamists) and mass migration sceptics.

        • Shona

          I think that is set to change. In France, either the elites “get it” or they can expect Le Pen as next president. She’s at nearly 30 per cent already, she leads the polls. And frankly they will only have themselves to blame, this situation has been growing for 25 years.

          • Mille

            It is still not a majority, Shona, and that is what it takes. Personally, I am very surprised that FN (France), SD (Sweden), UKIP (UK) etc. do not have their own majority by now. The problems are evident, despite the media bias. In Denmark, though, the media is still fairly objective in their reporting. We do have statistics from public organisations available, where the staggering overrepresentation of Somalis, Turkish, Iraqi, Lebanese, Palastinians, Syrians when it comes to rape, violent crimes, unemployment, functional anafebitism etc.is reported. Despite of this the only parti, which has a solution (not to let more of these people in on the scale that we do) only get 20-23 % of the votes

          • Shona

            What will happen will be if the opposer to “getting it” gets to the second round, then everyone will sit on their hands for the second round. Hollande is now at 15 percent. There is no way he can get to the second round, let alone win.

  • cartimandua

    What they should have done is help fund camps in he region from where those who meet NORMAL criteria for immigration could be taken.
    The UK for instance needs nurses and doctors although there are often problems
    passing exams proving competency.
    The UK already gives more than the rest of the EU together for those camps.

  • Spenglersdog

    I found the little essay by Maurice Bardeche called ‘Nuremburg The Promised Land’ to be the most clear-sighted view of the founding principles of the post-war consensus which have enabled this catastrophic situation. Well worth taking the time to read.

  • milford

    Vote to leave the EU when you get the chance. This is utter madness.

    • goodsoldier

      Does anybody here want to remain in the EU?

      • Shona

        I’m coming to the view that the EU is now the problem and that Britain should leave the EU. Not that I’ll get a vote on it. The migrants will, but not me. It would be a problem for me as it would complicate my immigration status. But this monster needs to radically change or die. Hopefully Brexit would do one of those two things. The EU was supposed to be run for the good of EU citizens. It’s now the opposite, EU citizens must be browbeaten for the good of the EU. I can’t believe they wrecked the cradle of European civilisation for a currency. But it says it all.

      • milford

        You’d have to be deaf, dumb and blind to want to stay in the EU.

  • Sue Smith

    And, of course, it will be Merkel’s own political death. I remember that survey in Germany in May: 97% against and 3% for. Nothing has changed.

    Men are now abandoning their families with impunity; most of the ‘asylum seekers’ are healthy males and their families are suffering and languishing. Life just means less in those countries than it does in our own developed world.

    • Grace Ironwood

      And what’s with all these African “Syrian refugees” ?
      Europe needs to start boat turn backs and defending some safe space in Libya and refugee camps.
      The main Syrian war sponsors (Iran and the gulf Islamic states) need to take the bulk of the refugees. The other determined young male “refugees” would eventually stop travelling from Nigeria etc.
      I’d be interested to see your source or a link, Sue.

      • Sue Smith

        Images of ‘refugees’ going back 10 years in the case of Australia show a vast majority of healthy fighting-age men. And a close relative worked in the Immigration portfolio here in Australia. So I have had plenty of discussions about this. Look at all the images from camps – the vast majority there are women and children because their men left long ago. A commentator from the BBC (Scottish accent) made the same observation in tonights news report – actually that some had decided to abandon the families they started with because they’re weighing them down.

        Revolting. But not unexpected. And I note that some ‘asylum seekers’ are arriving in Greece sporting life jackets. A pity the Syrian man didn’t do that to save his two sons – the cause of much hand-wringing in the west but NO HARD QUESTIONS. Got to avoid those.

        • cartimandua

          The life of women and children is worth less in countries where Islam has traction and that includes Syria.

          • Jeremy Poynton

            Syria is – was – very different to the other ME muslim countries. Do some reading.

        • Grace Ironwood

          The life jackets go to the Most Important People. It would have been a no brainer.
          I know two people worked at Nauru- the Aussie camp, one a SJW social worker the other an Asian medical worker. She reported that women there were demanding IVF and breast implants.

          • Sue Smith

            I’m not sure that is true; that same story has been doing the rounds here for a while now. Though some women may have said it some time ago this is not the majority, for sure.

            But it absolutely has to be reinforced that very many of those people are economic migrants who’ve country hopped and jurisidiction shopped to get to the land of milk and honey – Australia.

            Apart from the bien pensant and the morally virtuous, the majority of Australians simply won’t have a bar of it – and Labor knows it now!!

            I like the idea suggested in today’s “Australian” letters page – that higher income earners should be levied on their tax to pay for the Syrian refugees, like the one-off levy the government mandated to pay for the Queensland floods!! That way the do-gooders get to put their money where their gobs currently are.

            I’m allowing it!!

    • Grace Ironwood

      Merkel will not be standing for re-election as she’s had her terms. Impunity is why she’s decided to go out with a bang.
      The destruction of Europe. What a legacy!

  • goodsoldier

    Please read David Pryce Jones, editor of National Review: Refugee Crisis in Europe:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/423576/refugee-crisis-europe?target=author&tid=903311

    • Spenglersdog

      He got paid for that? I have read better summations in these comments sections. I heard that National Review went downhill long ago.

      • anka

        This is better – By legitimizing extremist groups such as DITIB within German Muslim society as the sole legitimate representatives of Islam, the German government has marginalized genuine voices of reform and dissent within its Muslim population.

        http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6466/germany-radical-islam

        • Spenglersdog

          That’s more like it. The author probably spent some time on that. The other guy texted his piece in to the office while he sat on the toilet.

        • Jeremy Poynton

          Obama has done the same in the US. The MB now advise him on terrorism. Check out Stephen Coughlin’s work (google) and read this, also on Gatestone

          http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3672/muslim-brotherhood-us-government

          “History of the Muslim Brotherhood Penetration of the U.S. Government”

          and be very sacred…

      • Jonathan Clark

        any periodical that would silence Mark Steyn is by definition down hill.

  • Johnny Dangerous

    Use your common sense, it is not that our governments are blind to what is obvious, but that they are enacting deliberate massive social change under the thin excuse of a manufactured crisis – this is the liberal governments self-hatred (oddly projected onto others within their consciousness as “the West”) made manifest and acting in its own cultural genocide. To the EU “Europe is too homogenous” – their exact words – they want a world government and your nation, race, culture and traditions are a barrier to it. Britain is no longer a sovereign nation, the Lisbon treaty (though entirely treacherous and illegal under British law) has removed Britain as a nation, what remains is an illusion designed only to suppress democratic uprising. Of course, this can’t last forever, which is why within the very near future we will see a state of emergency declared under which the EU government will impose all its powers under the Lisbon treaty and essentially bring about a totalitarian state dressed up as a socialist utopia. For those of you who disagree with me and think me crazy – I do so very much hope you are right.

    • Shona

      “its own cultural genocide” Actually there is a more or less overt demographic genocide being implemented. Merkel boasts of it.

    • Jonathan Clark

      The EU is soft Trotskyism .

  • Grace Ironwood

    This is a great big shout of “We’re not racists, world ! (but you are )” from Angela, who appears to have been overcome by her stupid, German white guilt.

  • Alison Blazeby

    I couldn’t agree more. The criminal gangs are giving up smuggling drugs because people-smuggling is far more lucrative, they usually have terrorist links, which funds terrorism, which creates conflict, which produces migrants/refugees – an ever-increasing circle of war and misery. Merkel assuages Germany’s collective guilt about the Holocaust by destabilising and destroying the future of Europe’s children.

    • Spenglersdog

      I blame Spielberg and his mawkish films.

  • froxfields

    Is Merkel’s open door partly also an admission that Germany is going to be very hard hit by the fact that they have a 1.34 average number of children, her country has a demogragraphic that is rapidly ageing.

    Why not kill two birds with one stone and increase the number of young people in the population by 700,000 in one go and still look good (ie virtue signal non racism) by taking in so many migrants?

    • Phyllyp Sparowe

      It would have been cheaper to offer a relocation bonus to the +4M EU youth unemployed.

      • froxfields

        That’s true too, but to show that your country is non racist plays much better…

        • Shona

          Yes, but they are racist, their comments on Greeks were disgusting and profoundly racist.

    • Shona

      Interesting that she didn’t ask for the unemployed Greeks and Spaniards.
      At every turn Merkel does what’s good for Germany and catastrophic for the other countries, and then has the gall to lecture other countries on what they should do.
      And as for Junker, I’m all ears as to the number of migrants Luxembourg is accepting.

    • cartimandua

      If the working middle class Germans are not having 1 child each it is because they are taxed too highly because they are supporting lots of poor people.
      Making them support millions more is circling the drain.

      • Jeremy Poynton

        Most of Europe has a demographic crisis, with Muslim birth rates up to three times those of the locals. 2050 reckoned to be the approx tipping point.

        • Jonathan Clark

          hard to predict long term demographic trends…most you can say is at this rate things will be x. However, its not unreasonable to look at the general attitudes of governments regarding mass immigration, and to predict irreversible disaster. What we do know is that today in the third world there are countless masses who have the means to peer into the events going on in Europe right now, and to say, well, I can have that for myself too. The velocity of the trend is increasing exponentially, and with hundreds of millions of youth with nothing to do, a bit of an adventure for them all isn’t an unreasonable expectation. Here were talking ten years.

  • Phyllyp Sparowe

    Mr Forsyth has written a brilliant to the point deconstruction of the Merkel Folly. I’m utterly astounded that this whole affair isn’t a massive breach of the EU treaties. Odd how when the UK wants to provide some controls over who comes into the country it cannot yet Dublin III (which I believe is actually a law) can be unilaterally suspended by Frau Merkel.
    Someone should sue.

    • Sue Smith

      And if anyone dares complain they’re labelled “the far right”.

      • Phyllyp Sparowe

        I suspect this is a card Osborne has tucked away for a rainy day.

        • Sue Smith

          And it was only in 2010 that Merkel proclaimed that “multiculturalism had failed in Germany; failure of integration had occurred”. If you doubt me please type those words into Google and you’ll see the original Guardian report.

          • Phyllyp Sparowe

            I don’t doubt it, I’ve seen it referenced before. Couple that with the sudden references to Germany having to profoundly change and it adds up to a sense of panic and plot losing.

          • Jeremy Poynton

            Remember it well.

      • Jonathan Clark

        naturally, revision and absurd labeling (propaganda) is Social Revolution 101.

    • Jonathan Clark

      this is the true method of socialism…a fey regard for the rule of law when its expedient and there is a strong will in the body politic to adhere to it; but in service to the socialist ideology at all costs; lying, falsifying, elision, any means to justify the ends, when it comes down to it. So in reality there is a very loose commitment to rules and notions of good faith in dealing with a socialist. Look at how shameless Junker is, in the cause; if the goal is within grasp, abandon agreement and grab it. This is why the narrative keeps changing, and it is necessary to constantly revise historical understanding.

  • sidor

    The political circus displayed by the former communist frau Merkel demonstrates that the Germans seem to have never mentally recovered from the disastrous cognitive disorder that struck the nation in the 1930, although the symptoms of it may have changed.

    • Sue Smith

      I love the Germans – they work hard and enjoy life. But they are victims of the left and the Greens (who nearly caused Germany to run out of power – which it now buys from France). These dangerous trends periodically emerge and people from the centre and right need to be vigilant as every piece of propaganda is being disseminated now through mainstream media and government media. And shrill 30-somethings who are so adept at pointing their fingers and saying “you should….the government should”. The finger pointing and demands just never stop. So, the deadly cocktail of narcissism and empowered, educated naive 30 somethings is unstoppable. Wise heads need to get skin in the game.

      • sidor

        No need to write so much to describe the symptoms of disorder: the medical conclusion is clear. Once one gets nuts, there is no hope. The national degradation started in 1933 steadily proceeds.

        • Sue Smith

          I disagree; there have been some golden, peaceful postwar years with real progress and reductions in poverty. That’s all over now as the shrinking national cakes are expected to serve ever more and more.

          • sidor

            I discuss mental degradation: it can proceed peacefully and be accompanied by some economic success. 100 years ago Germany was the world leader in education and science. Compare this with what it is now. A disaster. Bismarck predicted: everything will collapse in 20 years after my death.

  • Damaris Tighe

    ‘This is more to do with what happened 70 years ago than with today’: which is exactly what I’ve said in several posts. What every ‘good’ European wants, & especially the German Chancellor, is to prove that they are positioned as far away from the N*zis as possible. This isn’t intelligent policy. It’s pure virtue-signalling emotional reaction. It’s about proving what you’re not, in a climate of leftist fear that in robustly defending Europe’s borders & indigenous people, you will be associated with nationalism. Any distinction between the national supremicism/imperialism of the N*zis & simple nationalism has disappeared.

    • Sue Smith

      This is absolutely spot on and ABSOLUTELY FRIGHTENING. It shows the extent of the lefts stranglehold on public discourse and their abiding skill is suppression of freedom of speech. The real threat to democracy is the left itself.

      • Damaris Tighe

        They are all post-nationalists, which is why they dislike Israel so much. Brown or black nations are excepted. They can be nationalists – presumably because it’s impossible for brown or black people to be imperialist or supremicist.

        • Sue Smith

          I’m old enough to remember the Mao Mao in Kenya. They killed indiscriminately in trying to remove the white man. Now they turn on themselves. There’s a viciousness there…

          • anka

            Stalin and soviets as well, was trying to remove entire populations by replacing with others – the enormous influx of Russians in Romanian Moldova, etc.

          • Common Porpoise

            “Removing the white man” from Africa was the worst thing they ever did.

          • Sue Smith

            My husband says that! He was born in Fiji, a British colony, and saw the ‘improvements’ to that 3rd world country. BUT the Brits brought the Indians which he said virtually destroyed the place!! And, of course, in recent times that’s what the coup situation has been about.

            My husband always has said what a beautiful race the Fijian people are – but his parents were able to use them as servants!! My father in law never had to change a light bulb.

            The more things change the more they stay the same!!

    • Fioler

      Search “ZDF Islam Effects on Germany” on Youtube. ZDF is a leftleaning channel, so the fact that they aired this documentary must be due to a brief moment of enlightment.

      • Damaris Tighe

        Is this the channel that reported on the emptying of the German housing estate for the poor so that refugees can move in?

        • Fioler

          I know a rightleaning channel reported on that situation, but I don’t know about the ZDF. Would be another miracle.

          • Damaris Tighe

            I was told the channel that reported it is usually left leaning.

          • Fioler

            I might be mistaken. In that case: Could it really be that even the lefties in Germany are beginning to react and see sense in these matters?

          • Hamburger

            The newsroom is unthinkingly left leaning and . There are one or two investigative programmes which display an independence of thought. The same is true with the ARD. The most factual news service is on the radio, German of course.

      • Damaris Tighe

        Now seen the first part of the docu. I noted the comment that a woman ‘belongs to’ a man & should be veiled. Even if these Muslim communities don’t expect the Germans to do the same, it will affect their attitude to non-Muslim women who are free & don’t veil. They will often treat them with contempt. We have experience of this in England where native girls were treated as ‘easy meat’ & r*ped. It also happens in Sweden, where native women veil themselves voluntarily so they won’t be abused in the street.

        • Fioler

          Same thing in Norway where I live and come from. Not that native women have started to veil themselves, but these men are highly represented in the rape statistics.

          The teacher who is interviewed says what you are saying: The Germans want to prove that they are positioned as far away from the N*zis as possible.

          • Damaris Tighe

            1939-45 destroyed us in more ways than one.

          • Jeremy Poynton

            And Sweden has the second or third worst rape levels in the world.

          • Fioler

            Yup, but they won’t admit it. You should see Swedish main stream media and their lack of…well, everything.

  • maraismarais

    In today’s news it’s reported that the number of arrests for terrorist offences has reached a record high , there’s only one direction of travel for that now – onwards and upwards .

  • Every Syrian family fleeing the destruction of their homes, the loss of relatives and the utter hopelessness of their existence will thank Ms Merkel . And rightly so. To suggest that these people should stay where they are and deal with privations beyond our comprehension is as ignorant as it is insensitive. Of course they are right to flee and it is admirable that many of the rich men of Europe have the humanity to help them. Ms Merkel is not causing ‘human misery’ she is doing the reverse. It is staggeringly perverse and offensive to suggest otherwise. Shameful.

    • Phyllyp Sparowe

      Then simply put why is she not laying on planes in Turkey? She can see what they have to go through to get to Munich. It’s a steeple chase of the grotesque.

    • Sunshine Sux

      “ACHTUNG! Fingern in ze earz, tekk a deep breass, and: “La la la la la la ”

      See no monkey, hear no monkey, speak no monkey.
      Everybody, keep marching to the drum into our demise, whoever dares to leave the soldier-line, shall from here on out, be bearing the scarlet “R” for racist, on their forehead.

      “NOCH EINMAL! Achtung, fingern in ze earz, tekk a deep breass, aaand: “La la la la la ..”

      Repeat until your head is cut off.

    • Shona

      Or of course all these able bodied young men could stay at home and defend their homes from the a~~~les.

      • Sunshine Sux

        Muslims are cowards, They prefer to ‘fight’ women and children and little girls, and unarmed people who are praying inside holy places.

        • Shona

          On the other hand. I’m thinking that when all the poor women and children go home, there being no men, they will be able to build a much better society.

          • Damaris Tighe

            Lol!

    • Fioler

      The road to the cold and dark bottom of the Mediterranean Sea is paved with good intentions.

    • cartimandua

      She is telling millions and millions of people to make the trip risking their lives.
      There are 9 conflicts causing migrations in the MENA region alone.
      South Africans now are migrating this way.

    • sidor

      A simple question: why should they go that far? It is quite safe in Turkey or in Algeria. And the climate is much better. Why Germany?

    • Jeremy Poynton

      They may one day have a country to rebuild. God willing, they will. And just how many will drown to assuage Merkel’s conscience?

  • Has Angela Merkel lost her mind? Why does she want to destroy Germany and the rest of Europe?

    • Sunshine Sux

      She’s not destroying, she’s enriching. Pay attention please.

    • Jeremy Poynton

      Yes.

      Next?

      The stated purpose of the EU is to destroy the nation state. This is just one of many means of achieving this.

  • flippit

    I was unsure what I’d vote in the EU referendum, but I know now I will vote to come out. I’m not against immigration, but the lack of cool heads dealing with the crisis is terrifying. In any case, EU will have to go for more and tighter fiscal and institutional integration, it will need an elected president and someone like Juncker or Juncker himself will be deciding what the UK does, and he’s no friend to the UK. This crisis has crystallised the difference between the UK and the EU.

    • Damaris Tighe

      Let’s hope that come the Referendum people’s short attention spans will remember what has happened this Autumn.

      • beenzrgud

        I can’t see this crisis ending any time soon so hopefully it will still be in full swing come the referendum.

    • Shona

      Actually, it’s crystallized the relationship, antagonistic, with most EU citizens and the EU. What’s going on benefits nobody. Not even Germany, which is only creating a rod for its own back.
      In fact it’s not in the migrants’ themselves interest. They are being forced on populations that don’t want them and who don’t have the systems in place to support them. Not to mention the original countries which will need them to rebuild when the war is over.

  • OpenEurope

    Merkel is being disingenuous and fundamentally dishonest. There is nothing humanitarian or altruistic in Germany offering to take 800,000 migrants that are already in the EU. She knows that these are economic migrants (not as the Liberal-Left, Guardian readers, BBC et al would have it, refugees fleeing for their lives). We can be sure that none of the Syrian migrants allowed into Germany will ever be deported. Germany needs them. They will all be registered as Asylum Seekers – whether they are or not. The analogy with the Kindertransport of 1939 (again a Liberal-Left claim) is totally false. Those children would have definitely been murdered by the Nazis if they had not escaped. The thousands of migrants in Calais or Hungary have invariably fled UNHCR camps in Turkey, etc or other countries where they were safe. It’s time to nail those in the media who knowingly and deliberately conflate the terms Asylum Seekers and Economic Migrants for their own self-serving political purposes.

    • Shona

      1 Where are the Christians?
      2 Why isn’t she asking for Southern EU citizens who are being crucified by the Euro?

      • Shona

        I should have said TO the Euro.

      • OpenEurope

        Good points Shona. Syrian Christians share many of the of cultural and social values we have in Europe. They would readily integrate (unlike many Muslims) and deserve to be rescued from the inhuman butchers fighting for Islamic State or Assad. Unfortunately few Christians are to be found in the UNHCR camps – they are invariably persecuted and attacked by Islamists in these camps and forced out – an irony that Merkel and other ill-informed EU politicians appear not fully understand.

  • sidor

    Just to illustrate the degree of the schizophrenia. One German journalist, discussing accommodation of immigrants, complained about problems with the Arabs who refuse to be assimilated like the Turks. Particularly, he was unhappy by the fact that the Arabs prefer to keep using Arabic instead of German when praying in mosques. Why couldn’t they pray in German? Imagine now an additional 1 million of these Arabic-speakers. Poor Germans.

    • beenzrgud

      There’s plenty of evidence that the Turks haven’t assimilated all that well either so to suggest they have is dishonest. But then honesty hasn’t exactly been the media’s strongpoint has it !

      • sidor

        The problem is in the language. The idea of persuading the Arabs to stop using the Arabic language is crazy.

      • Observer1951

        I lived and worked in Germany for 4 years in a town with a large Turkish population. The Turks did not assimilate. The Turks hated the Germans and the feeling was mutual. In the town I lived in we had weekend marches by the ultra right aka modern Nazis. Germany is going to have huge social unrest, it’s a shame I loved the country and the Germans but they are so desperate to prove their liberal credentials people play on their naivety

    • WTF

      You reap what you sow.

  • beenzrgud

    Merkel really has lot the plot, all this nonsense about quotas proves it. It’s clear these migrants don’t want to go to East European countries, and even though they may initially be forced to go, eventually they will be entitled to live wherever they want thanks to rules regarding free movement. It’s actually quite amusing to see Merkel and her buddies tying themselves in knots due to their own ridiculous rules.

    • anka

      Correct. I am from Romania: almost all the refugees we had used the country to transit. I can tell you Romanians are really pissed right now. Our televisions are hardly liberal and not so PC like the British ones –
      they call it EU blackmail. EU is forcing us to take up to 7000
      refugees and people are pretty furious. This will going to split
      Eastern Europe from Germany and the rest of the rich western country.
      Here are some topics discussed at TV today – how we will get the
      lowest of the low and Germany will take the best skilled refugees,
      how we should not take any refugees without checking their health (a
      doctor was telling how he recently had some patients from Syria with
      drug resistant tuberculosis) or their background, how Germany and EU
      are trying to erase from the map the poorer nation like Greece and
      Romania and replace them with Muslims (ethic cleansing) and refugees
      (meaning even cheaper labor). It’s crazy. There was one man wondering
      how the migrants will integrate without speaking Romanian: maybe we
      should send them to our depopulated areas and villages and they could
      work in agriculture (ha-ha). To those very frightened I replay –
      don’t worry, they won’t stay here for long.
      Also, the TV stations are trumpeting the nationalistic card ad nausea: we
      should save our homeless, orphan/poor kids, we should save our
      villages, what about our homeless and desperately poor Roma
      population, what about our pensioners eating from garbage, so on, so
      on. The irony is we’re not part of Schengen (like Hungary) because
      „our borders are not secure”.
      After the Greece episode, I didn’t think I would see a more divided Europe.
      And here we are..

      • beenzrgud

        Most people could see before we had the euro crisis and the current immigration crisis that such widespread removal of sovereignty was going to cause serious problems. The eurofanatics thought it would all work out OK on the basis of nothing. It is schoolyard politics at its worst.

      • wudyermucuss

        Now you know how many feel here about all the Rumanians here .

  • jeffersonian

    ‘They know that Germany has said it expects to accept 800,000 asylum-seekers this year (a figure greater than the population of some EU members).’

    At least Frau Merkel is looking to her electoral future: her distinct reluctance to support the only democracy in the Middle East – Israel – will soon be boosted by hundreds of thousand Arab Muslims. In the not too distant future Germany might even return to Jew-hate as official policy, something these new ‘citizens’ are well versed in.

  • Have you noticed the Marxist co-opted West’s media taking its cues from the Marxist co-opted governments of the West in neglecting to report the cause for the tens of thousands of refugees who have died, the cause being the chaos the West is causing. That’s because the so-called ‘War on Terror’ is an operation being carried out by the Marxist co-opted governments of the West in alliance with the USSR and other Communist nations, the purpose being to (1) destroy the prominence of the West in the eyes of the world, where the West is seen (i) invading nations without cause; (ii) causing chaos around the globe; and (iii) killing over one-million civilians and boasting of torture; (2) close off non-Russian supplies of oil for export, thereby increasing the price of oil, the higher price allowing oil exporting Russia to maintain economic stability while she modernizes and increases her military forces; (3) destroy the United States Armed Forces via the never-ending ‘War on Terror’; the ultimate purpose of the aforementioned to (4) bring about the demise of the United States in the world, opening up a political void to be filled by a new pan-national entity composed of Europe and Russia (replacing the European Union), a union ‘From the Atlantic to Vladivostok’; which will (5) see the end of NATO.

    The following is a discovery I made in April regarding the fake collapse of the USSR, and what that fraudulent collapse proves about the institutions of the West…

    When Soviet citizens were liberated from up to 74 years of horrific Marxist oppression on December 26, 1991 there were ZERO celebrations throughout the USSR, proving (1) the ‘collapse’ of the USSR was a strategic ruse; and (2) the political parties of the West were already co-opted by Marxists,* otherwise the USSR (and East Bloc nations) couldn’t have gotten away with the ruse.

    ZERO celebrations, as the The Atlantic article inadvertently informs us…

    http://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2011/12/20-years-since-the-fall-of-the-soviet-union/100214/

    Notice, however, the Kremlin staged demonstrations that took place in Russia (and other Soviet republics) in the years immediately preceding the ‘collapse’, yet ZERO celebrations after the ‘collapse’!

    For more on this discovery see my blog…

    https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/

    Conclusion:

    The West will form new political parties where candidates are vetted for Marxist ideology, the use of the polygraph to be an important tool for such vetting. Then the West can finally liberate the globe of vanguard Communism.

    ————————-

    * The failed socialist inspired and controlled pan-European revolutions that swept the continent in 1848(1) thought Marxists and socialists a powerful lesson, that lesson being they couldn’t win overtly,(2) so they adopted the tactic of infiltration of the West’s political parties/institutions. In the case of the United States…(continue reading at DNotice)…

    https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/now-you-see-me-now-you-don-t

    Now you know why not one political party in the West requested verification of the collapse of the USSR, and the media failed to alert your attention to this fact, including the ‘alternative’ media. When determining whether the ‘former’ USSR is complying with arms control treaties, what does the United States do to confirm compliance? Right, the United States sends into the ‘former’ USSR investigative teams to VERIFY compliance, yet when it’s the fate of the West that’s at stake should the collapse of the USSR be a ruse, what does the United States do to confirm the collapse? Nothing!

    The fraudulent ‘collapse’ of the USSR (and East Bloc) couldn’t have been pulled off until both political parties in the United States (and political parties elsewhere in the West) were co-opted by Marxists, which explains why verification of the ‘collapse’ was never undertaken by the West, such verification being (1) a natural administrative procedure (since the USSR wasn’t occupied by Western military forces); and (2) necessary for the survival of the West. Recall President Reagan’s favorite phrase, “Trust, but verify”.

    It gets worse–the ‘freed’ Soviets and West also never (1) de-Communized the Soviet Armed Forces of its Communist Party officer corps, which was 90% officered by Communist Party members; and (2) arrested/de-mobilized the 6-million vigilantes that assisted the Soviet Union’s Ministry of the Interior and police control the populations of the larger cities during the period of ‘Perestroika’ (1986-1991)!

    There can be no collapse of the USSR (or East Bloc nations) without…

    Verification, De-Communization and De-mobilization.

    The West never verified the collapse of the USSR because no collapse occurred, since if a real collapse had occurred the West would have verified it, since the survival of the West depends on verification. Conversely, this proves that the political parties of the West were co-opted by Marxists long before the fraudulent collapse of the USSR, since the survival of the West depends on verification.

    Now you know how Bolshevik Russia survived in 1917; how the West ‘lost’ China to the Communists in 1949; why the Eisenhower administration turned a deaf ear to the anti-Communist Hungarian uprising in 1956; why the Eisenhower administration in 1959 was indifferent to the Castro brothers’ Communist fidelity, actually used the CIA to overthrow the Batista government; why the Nixon administration abandoned Taiwan for Communist China, and signed treaties/provided economic aid to the USSR; why the Nixon administration refused to tell the American People that over 50% of North Vietnamese NVA regiments were actually Chinese People’s Liberation Army soldiers (attired in NVA uniforms, and proving that the Sino/Soviet Split was a ruse, as KGB defector Major Anatoliy Golitsyn told the West back in 1962), thereby (1) ensuring the Vietnam War would be lost; (2) destroying the prominence of the United States abroad and at home; (3) breeding distrust between the American people and their government; and (4) securing Communist victories in Southeast Asia. Working in the background within the political parties of the United States and Great Britain were Marxist agents doing their best to (1) ensure the survival of Communist nations when they popped up; and (2) sabotage any policies that would bring down a Communist nation. That’s why after the fake collapses of the East Bloc nations and USSR there was no mandatory Western verification process to ensure the Communists weren’t still in control.

  • TheSpinCycle

    This proves the EU project is dead. The sooner the UK pulls out the EU the better.

    Why does it prove the EU project is dead?

    Merckel says she will take over 800,000 Syrians as Germany needs a larger workforce. Yet what about the tens of millions of EU Europeans that are out of work? What about Greece and Spain in the throes of a recession? If Merckel believed in the EU project then she would be promoting the establishment of German Industry in Greece and Spain etc. Instead she has gone outside Europe to import what she believes to be able bodied young men willing to work for low pay, while ignoring the tens of millions of unemployed in EU countries.

    • Mille

      There is also massive amounts of (working) poor and housing shortage in Germany already….’madness’ really isn’t strong enough a word to Express what is going on. It is pure contempt for those millions of poor Germans struggling.

      • sidor

        Democracy has never been a strong tradition in Germany. She doesn’t care what people think.

        • Hamburger

          I think she just panicked.

  • WFB56

    For years now, on a range of issues, Merkel has proven that she is the world’s most overrated leader.

  • Chris Taylor

    One of the most alarming side effects of our digital age is the collective shaming by the twitterati which makes emotive PC gestures the basis for action rather than strategic thinking. I believe they now call it “virtue shaming”. Emote at will, repent at leisure. Bunuel’s “Viridiana” anyone?

  • sidor

    The most remarkable achievement of frau Merkel as a European leader has so far been the long depression in the Eurozone. Her immigration paranoia that we are currently observing will probably have even deeper impact on Europe. Since it isn’t possible to remove her from the EU, the best solution is to leave the EU.

    • WTF

      She should have stepped aside when she was ahead after the wall came down. Since then its all gone pear shaped when she tried to rule Europe through Germany’s economic muscle. The 1930’s saw wheel barrow loads of Deutschmarks just to buy a loaf of bread but give it a few years, it could very well be Euros !

  • Bonkim

    Germans are by and large sensible people – but allowing such huge numbers of aliens with totally different cultural and religious belief systems is bonkers.

    On the other hand the EU/Britain should have resisted the temptation of sending rescue ships to the Med in the first place. Once rescued the rescuer has a responsibility to look after the rescued. Still time to scuttle boats venturing out to the Med. Decisive action needed not emotional waffle.

    • Jonathan Clark

      often the overly rational (sensible you call it) come undone in one fell pique of emotional abandon.

  • Common Porpoise

    Accusation that Aylan’s father was the smuggler.

    https://twitter.com/zaidbenjamin/status/641790101945585664

    • Fioler

      This case should be police investigated.

  • somwane

    We have to be very careful with the different groups that come with refugees. Remember that there is a group of good syrian christians but also muslims that want to destroy us. Then there’s ISIS disguising ofcourse, joints of Boko Haram wishing to infiltrate us and then there are good africans etc. etc.
    Keep an eye on out citizens and make sure possible extremist get reported ASAP. They’re very well disguised however..

  • Patrick_Blankfein

    in the long run, this is for the best. now we see how disastrous the e.u. is, we can get out. Germany will be the last man standing, with millions of parasitic immigrants and a bankrupt economy. the germans have been total fools, total children; they think it is their duty to be nice to brown-skinned people, without realising, that there are tens of millions who want their affections, their money etc, who are on their way.

    • WTF

      They choose their leaders badly but we’re not that much better.

    • Jonathan Clark

      with three billion more in the world on the way in the next two generations, there will be hundreds of millions who will be getting the idea of the European promise land

  • WTF

    Merkels grandstanding will cost a lot more than a few deaths at sea.

    Give it 5 years and you’ll see sectarian protests & riots starting to appear on the scale of 1930’s Germany when today’s electorates decide they want to claim their countries back. Eastern EU countries like Hungary will probably lead the pack followed by Greece, Portugal & Spain, all three of which are only recent democracies whilst the Islamic state of Sweden is already set to explode.

    Did the fascists in the EU ever think it through over mass immigration when they opened every border ? Of course not, they had this mistaken idea that the only way to stop wars between European states was to bribe them to join the club and then enslave them in legislation. With rebuilding of Europe after WWI there was no trigger to have a WWIII but there will be a war between Islam and Christianity in Europe due to lib**tard policies.

    Too many immigrants with an alien religion / culture have been allowed in without let or hindrance and a cultural war will probably start within the next 10 years. Control freaks like Juncker never saw it coming and he specifically has many deaths on his hands due to encouraging this migratory pattern of economic young migrant men who have deserted their families and country for freeloading off Europe.

    • Common Porpoise

      We can’t wait 5 years. We need the strike back now.

  • Reginald Garott

    How can, normally intelligent Germans, believe that refuges are streaming into EU because of the war? How come they cannot figure out that these people (only 60% are from Syria, others from Bangladesh, Pakistan and Afghanistan, there no wars there) would have abandoned their hellholes and come to Europe regardless.

    Now that EU is so welcoming the flood will be unstoppable.

    As Pat Buchanan said: “Liberalism is the ideology of Western suicide.”

    • sidor

      Stupidity is not the absence of mind: it is a kind of mind.

    • Patrick_Blankfein

      The Germans were smart under Hitler. They are just a bit crazy. They will go back the other way when the magnitude of their folly strikes home.

    • Jeremy Poynton

      Vast numbers from the war torn Balkans as well.

      • Reginald Garott

        What war in Balkans? There hasn’t been a war there for more than 10 years.

        • Jeremy Poynton

          Oh dear. Irony, dear boy, irony.

  • WarriorPrincess111111

    So what is behind it all? Germany has the highest economy in the EU and recently it has taken a tumble. The reason for that is because China is having problems with its economy – it became too successful, and now China’s economy has fallen. Germany relies almost totally on China for its goods to export. How can Germany make up the shortfall? By employing a huge cheap labour force to manufacture the goods that it needs to make up the numbers. This labour would be used in any of the EU countries to supply Germany.
    Germany could not advertise that fact to all and sundry – so we have this Civil war in Syria, Civil war not World War – exaggerated out of all proportion – remember the EU has put a block on certain reporting – where there are hundreds of thousands of virtual refugees who are seeking entry into Europe – not to escape any tyranny, but to accept the invite that was extended to them in the form of a high standard of living and good wages.
    Remember also – that Merkel was the Secretary of the Propaganda Council in Germany.
    British people do not like to be conned!

  • Dominic Stockford

    Denmark has closed its borders. Hurrah for common sense!

    • Yannai

      The UK should pull up the drawbridge too.

      • Jeremy Poynton

        We would if our leaders had any bollocks.

    • Mille

      They have re-opened the borders and provide free train rides from North of the German border to Copenhagen, because the refugees want to go to Sweden. Yesterday when migrants roamed the highway, they got police Escort and a no fly zone for a couple of hours, because helicopters and planes might scare the traumatized migrants. You just couldn’t make it up!

  • northernwriter

    The television shots of hundreds of Germans clapping while a parade of health young single males walk by them will become an iconic emblem for the phrase: “There are none so blind as those who will not see.”

    In the meantime, the real refugees languish in squalid camps ignored by the media who love to make up a good story. They are as culpable as Merkel.

    • Dominic Stockford

      It reminds one of the Austrian crowds lining up and clapping and cheering as the Nazis swept into their country.

    • anka

      But they saved the Syrian refugees! Case closed. Now they can concentrate on next cause it will make them feel better.

    • Frank Marker

      Munich Agreement 1938 anyone?

      ‘Turning and turning in the widening gyre

      The falcon cannot hear the falconer;

      Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;

      Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,

      The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere

      The ceremony of innocence is drowned;

      The best lack all conviction, while the worst

      Are full of passionate intensity’

      Opening stanza of W B Yeats Second Coming

      • Het Russ

        Last two lines sum up the problem.

        • Frank Marker

          Yes doesn’t it just.

        • Frank Marker

          Indeed they do.

  • pjl1968

    Living in Germany, I struggle to find anyone who is happy about this. Those who are welcoming migrants at train stations are extremists, the exact opposite of those who are demonstrating in front of asylum hostels. The vast majority have been cowered into silence by a relentless propaganda campaign which labels any critic as a Nazi. It’s getting quite scary. It’s more than about time other European leaders took Merkel to task. Unfortunately I doubt Cameron is up to the job.

    • Augustus

      Yes, this can only be described as an invasion. Europe, and particularly Germany, is handing over its identity, its culture and its heritage to unimaginable hordes of so-called refugees who seem to be mostly young men of fighting age on their way to countries like Germany because they are sure they will provide them with all their social welfare needs. And when these males marry their 2nd, 3rd and 4th wives in front of an imam governments will be forced to put all these families on benefits and treat them as single households. Fast forward a decade or two, and once these immigrant populations start to get out of control, a secular Fascist leader will probably get into power (again) promising to control these Islamist radicals. But by then many true Europeans will have probably left.

      • Jonathan Clark

        left to where? where is there to go?

      • Gavin

        Given the gender imbalance of these migrants, I am not sure there will be enough women to go round for them. Young frustrated aggressive males in a foreign land with no women folk to bring a calming influence – I guess the Saturday night high street will become even more a circus of fun

    • Penny

      I’ve taken a look at below-the-line comments on online German newspapers etc, and I’ve also struggled to find evidence of a national welcoming committee, either.

    • Kasperlos

      And since when did the lumpen mass electorate matter when it comes to ‘too big for you to be involved’ issues that the utterly arrogant Post WWII/Cold War neo-ruling class have conjured up for Germany. These blowhards need to be arrested and tried for treason. If the average German sits on their backside watching television and doesn’t take to the streets with pitchforks to prevent the demise of their own country then I guess they have consciously elected to be but feudal serfs to their political-corporate masters. Germans are being betrayed by Germans.

      • William_Brown

        “…If the average German sits on their backside and doesn’t take to the streets with pitchforks to prevent the demise of their own country…”

        They’ve done it before…

    • Common Porpoise

      Sadly the “welcome refugees” butters wanting to demonstrate here in Britain are not just the usual extremists.
      There are many bored, middle-class housewives who are behind these campaigns, at least here in my town. They’re planning some big “welcome refugees” protest on Saturday at noon.
      I think the endless TV News propaganda coupled with the inane posturing on Twitter and Facebook are to blame.

      BBC propaganda works.
      Thankfully I don’t have a TV.

      • Frank Marker

        I received an e-mail this morning from a gaggle of useful idiots who go by the name of ’38 Degrees’ who wanted me to sign an online petition and I quote: ‘how it was up to us to show that in cities, towns and villages all across the country we’re ready to welcome people…now’. Signed Nat, Robin, Maddy and the 38 Degrees Team. It just makes me weep at the idiocy of these people.
        Well I just hope they are prepared for this in Steeple Bumpstead and
        Wantage, because according to those saps at ’38 Degrees” (of nonsense!) they are just the kind of rural places they want them to reside in.

        • Penny

          Your response to Nat, Robin and Maddy et al was almost the same as mine when this petition popped into my inbox.

          While I, too, felt like weeping at their naivety, I also admit to feeling angry by their arrogance in assuming rather too much about the councils and inhabitants of our towns and cities. So many are already struggling to cope with their own, existing problems, never mind being described by absolute amateurs as being “ready to welcome”.

          I wonder if Nat, Robin and Maddy would care for a tour around our own homeless shelters? Perhaps they’d like to meet the families living in B & B, or join some of the community workers who have taken to driving around with warm coats and clothes for those who are in need? I could write pages about what so many of our towns and cities are already trying to cope with, but I fear Nat, Robin and Maddy are way too far up the moral high ground to read the print.

          • Frank Marker

            What you have to understand with people like Nat, Robin and Maddy is that white working class people are not ‘sexy enough’ to protest about. This lot only get turned on by ‘exotics’. I think it’s about time I reread Tom Wolfe’s deconstruction of people like Nat, Robin and Maddy in his brilliant essay Radical Chic. As timely now as when it was first written over 40 years ago.

          • Penny

            I’m not sure I’ve read that, Frank. I’ll check it out.

          • Frank Marker

            Oh you must Penny. It is included in The Purple Decades, a collection of Tom Wolfe’s essays and journalism.

          • Penny

            Thanks, Frank. I’ve just ordered from Amazon!

          • Frank Marker

            Enjoy!!

          • Frank Marker

            I have also managed to see the 38 Degrees team on their website. Yes you guessed it, 98% of them are attractive white middle-class people who, according to their profiles, all appear to have ‘dabbled in something’.

          • Penny

            Over the last few years I have come to see first-hand how some of the most pressing global issues are, for some, nothing more than a hobby. I am sure Nat et al would be most indignant at my naming it as such, but the shallowness of it all leaves me without any other handle to put on so much of this activism

            All some need is a photo, or perhaps a touching story, and with no clue as to provenance; no idea of the complexities of the issues behind the photo/story, and certainly, no time taken to research or apply just a bit of critical thinking, they leap into action. This is not genuine activism: it’s a hobby that provides some dinner table anecdotes.

            In truth, what do they really know about global warming, or the Israel/Palestine situation, or the way councils manage their precept, or the manner in which cuts are affecting local groups? They find what they think is the right-thinking view and turn it into a petition.

          • Shona

            Ah the Apple Bohos

          • Frank Marker

            Yes Apple Bohos is a very apt name for them. I can just see them hanging around trendy pop-up coffee stalls in Hoxton wallowing in a warm smug glow while thinking up a latest 38 Degree Protest.

        • John P Hughes

          It isn’t really possible to challenge the 38 Degrees ‘team’ and question their stupider petitions. If you try ‘reply’ to their mails you get another auto-reply, which tells you the e-mail won’t be read. You are offered the opportunity to instead e-mail ’emailtheteam@38degrees.org.uk’ but I think those go into a bin; no one ever responds.
          The 38 Degrees petitions (there have been 2 or 3 now) about the threat to British bees from chemical sprays are worthwhile. But most of the others are poorly justified and biased. 38 Degrees even currently runs a petition to ‘Protect our BBC’ rather than one calling on the BBC to reform itself, sack its overpaid top brass and stop undermining local newspapers.
          38 Degrees is even less accountable than the politicians that it likes to attack.

          • Frank Marker

            Thanks for info on them. I have a feeling I got on to their mailing list after I signed an on-line petition about putting a stop on the proposed re-development of the Westway Market into a block of offices. A very worthy cause I thought at the time, but then I didn’t realise I would be receiving all this other bullshit.

          • John P Hughes

            Very useful to know. I can see now that if you sign one on-line Petition, the 38 Degrees group’s computer system records your details and you then get sent every petition they start up after that. So the number of signatories of some petitions is inflated by people who click the box to sign to get the e-mail they have received ‘out of the way’. Recipients don’t get presented with accurate facts usually, just a few emotively-phrased lines. Theyare not offered the opportunity to query or criticise the further Petitions sent to them. 38 Degrees is liable to lose credibility if it goes on like this.

    • silent_pilot

      I also live in Germany and am experiencing the same.

    • Sunshine Sux

      Any dissent will be squashed by playing the Nazi card. Just like in the 3rd Reich, just with the communist/Jew card. Keep marching to the drum, eins zwei drei, you racist Nazi.

    • Shona

      Everyone needs to speak up. Last time all the bad stuff happened because good people were quiet. This is not about individuals, this is about societies not being able to absorb large quantities of people who are not compatible with their values.

  • Kasperlos

    The PC compliant, corporate-government controlled media organs in Germany portray this manufactured crisis as a big love festival. Scenes at railway stations of ‘spontaneous’ outpouring of zombie-eyed Germans bestowing ‘victory garlands’ around the necks of foppish but fit Saracen male youths outfitted in designer jeans, trainers, and iPhones can only be described as grotesquely bizarre, updated Goebbelesque propaganda film reels. The mindless television viewers are to believe they are genuine ‘refugees’. Are these Germans crisis actors or are they brainwashed victims of the Frankfurt School of cultural Marxism gone batty? Where are the media interviews with Germans who are against this historical illegal invasion? No, it’s party time and the script must be followed at all costs – even if it means the final downfall of the West. Only after the party the usual letdown hangover comes; a rude awakening awaits the West. When it awakes from its stupor it will find out what it has lost for for ever.

  • Lorna

    Great article but James no mention of the ad placed by DW (DeutscheWelle) advertises Welcome to Germany in 20 different languages including Arabic – and these people know what benefits await them hence the fuss at the Hungarian border and placards saying Germany

    • sidor

      They will have much more trouble with Arabic than with all other 20 languages. The civilisational phenomenon they are going to encounter is beyond the imagination of a regular German bourger.

  • Lorna

    Great article . but you left you out the facts that

    Germany’s
    population is ageing rapidly, and with a low birth-rate making it harder for employers to find enough workers and threatening its position as Europe’s largest economy.
    Merkle’s inner circle are the heads of German industry, –
    the big automakers, heavy industry and chemical companies lobbied hard for this cheap labor pool DW
    (DeutscheWelle) advertised Welcome to
    Germany in 20 different languages
    including Arabic – and described what benefits
    awaited them

    Hence the sepactacle of so many arriving in the
    last few weeks ,a great increase in past numbers
    all refusing to be registered in the first
    country of entry according to EU Law and
    chanting Germany Germany !!Many risked their
    lives

    The result has been disaster for Greece and
    Hungary

    NO one can really blame Germany but
    conducting what is really a recruitment
    campaign under the guise of a humanitarian
    gesture has lead to unintended consequences.
    She failed to understand the media age and that
    the invitation would be taken up by many other
    countries who now believe Europe has open
    borders

    Unilaterally Merkel has now abandoned the tried
    and tested policy for entry into the EU
    Procedures which were designed to protect our
    security and health.
    Juncker and Merkel have now continued to make EU poiicy unilaterally

    • Shona

      Why not recruit Greeks or Spaniards?

      • Lorna

        There has been some recruitment there but not sure so many are available and these are low paid apprenticeships followed by low paid jobs !

      • Jonathan Clark

        why not learn to adapt to an inverted pyramid….as japan is doing; instead of murdering a thousand year old civilisation for the sake of money? The population decreases (not a bad thing if there is global warming right?) and then there is another relative baby boom an all is tickety boo again. This short term money policy plays into the hands of the cultural marxists. Next stop south africa, where everybody has to carry a kaliash, or live in fear of gang rape.

        • Shona

          Also, yes people live longer, but they are also capable of working longer. I’m expecting to work till I’m 70. There is a lot of ageism bound into this as well as demographic, cultural eugenism. A lot of French leftist say openly that anyone over 60 should be disenfranshised.
          And guess what the same people want that doctors be allowed to kill us.

    • cartimandua

      The reason why people don’t have children is too much is going in taxes for them to afford it.
      Importing a whole lot more poor people is circling the drain.

  • Common Porpoise

    Here’s the official UNHCR headcount of the “migrants” crossing the Med to bring us joy.

    http://data.unhcr.org/mediterranean/regional.html

    It reveals that the migrant stream is comprised of 15 per cent children, 13 per cent women and 72 per cent young males coming from Syria, Afghanistan, Eritrea, Nigeria, Somalia and Pakistan in that order.

    We are all so screwed.

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    “Merkel’s grandstanding on Syrian refugees will lead to many more deaths at sea”
    Cunning plan, or what!

  • XH558

    One of the very best things I have read on this subject. This too is I found a thoughtful ray of light amidst the chaos of Open Border feelgoodery that has engulfed the media:
    http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n18/slavoj-zizek/the-non-existence-of-norway

  • Harryagain

    At last.
    Some common sense.
    The Merkel woman is clearly barking mad.

  • Patricia

    I was talking to some German friends last night and no-one of their acquaintance thinks this mass influx of people is a good idea. They have not requested it and fear for its effect on the nation as a whole. Sadly, they feel too hog-tied to complain about it.

  • Muttley

    No doubt Mutti will welcome with open arms the Saudi offer of 200 mosques for Germany. After all, with 800,000 extra muslims in the country, someone is going to have to build them. But that’s still 4,000 to a mosque. Let’s hope other Gulf states come up with similar packages, because Germany is going to need a lot more than 200.

    • Sunshine Sux

      I like how the Saudis didn’t offer to build any schools and hospitals instead, only and exclusively mosques, to benefit only and exclusively Muslims…integration can begin.

  • anka

    In MSN cover stories: always pics with photogenic&sad women and children, “Mostly” Syrians doctors, engineers and professor complaining how terrible is life as refugee. All day, the same. It’s beyond parody.

    • Shona

      Supposedly all these young men are going to care for the old people. I’m wondering what jobs exactly Merckel thinks they will do? High precision engineering? Not that that will last with China a having learnt all it needs b slowing down anyway. They are going to wipe old ladies’ bottoms?
      And if they are doctors and engineers, they are needed at home. How will Syria rebuild without its professionals?

  • Andrew

    Allahu Akbar

  • I cannot believe how a people can be so stupid. Germany’s experience over four
    decades with Muslim migrants has been little short of disastrous. They have
    over 4 million Turks as well as significant other Muslim groups. The Turks don’t integrate well. They have high welfare dependency. They create parallel societies. They have a bad crime record as a group. They have high birth rates and low educational performance, and of course high unemployment. First-generation
    Turks have major problems with the difficult German language, and this can even
    affect *German-born* second-generation Turks. The Syrians are also going to
    have huge language difficulties, barring them from employment, and because of them, many of them will certainly relocate to an English-speaking country in Europe. Guess where that might be.

    Some more details on Germany’s miserable record with the Turks:

    “The population of Turkish origin represents the largest proportion of students
    without completion of education (Abschluss) in the education system (30%).”

    “Kirsten Heisig, a justice in Neukölln, Berlin, sees among the Turkish and Arab migrants a distinct hostility to Germans: “A 12-year-old calls a schoolgirl a slut
    because she has no headscarf. Another person defendant told a police official, ‘you are dirt under my shoes, I shit on Germany.’ A young person said: ‘the Germans can be gassed.’ If Germans behaved like this to foreigners, we would call this racism.””

    “It is very difficult to capture migrant populations accurately in only statistical
    terms. There is much deception: for income tax cards (Lohnsteuerkarte), 10,000
    false addresses were uncovered in Neukölln. For a one-room flat in Cologne,
    sixty addresses were used. Under current registration rules anybody can give
    any address, without fear of being checked.”

    “The violence of the young gangs is not only against Germans. A Turkish businesswoman said on a visit to a firm, quite openly, Herr Buergermeister, when it is dark, I do not go through Sonnenallee any more, I am afraid of the Arabs.””

    “If you ask young (migrant) people what they want to become, they reply, “Hartz
    VI.” (Hartz VI is a German benefit program)”

    “In the migrant underclass, the adults speak German badly or not at all. Sometimes the children are forbidden from using German precisely because the parents do not understand it ….” [Heinz Buschkowsky]

    “One Muslim migrant speaks for all: “We can live here without having
    anything to do with the others. .. We have all we need, we do not need
    the Germans.” (Turkish female)”

    “Anybody who grew up in Germany will notice that a Turk in Germany is a “Deutschländer” and not a real Turk. The bad thing is that many “Deutschländer” are neither proper Turks nor proper Germans.”

    “More than 90% of Turkish migrants (in Germany) marry (ethnic) Turks.”

    “People with a migration background in Yugoslavia, Turkey, the Near and
    Middle East and Africa, comprise 6% of the population of Germany, but
    account for 11% of all under 15-year-olds and a significantly higher
    proportion of births. In Berlin 33% of school beginners are of non-German origin.”

    –These quotes all come from Thilo Sarrazin’s Deutschland Schafft Sich Ab, one of the most important books to be published in Europe since 2000, and unfortunately not available in English translation.

  • cartimandua

    Every time I see or hear a migrant holding up a baby or toddler I know right away he has the IQ of a plant and a sense of entitlement “as a man”. No one with a functioning brain gets their wife up the duff during a nasty conflict.

    • Sunshine Sux

      Everytime I see that, I think of that guy in ‘Titanic’ who snatches a child away from its’ hysterical mother, so he can score a seat in the safe boat.

  • Frank Marker

    What a brilliant inspired choice showing Frau Merkel as Lorelei.

  • Malus Pudor

    On a ferry from Calais to Dover last week, I noticed a large number of Somalis or Ethiopians, along with many other North Africans…. I engaged in conversation with a couple of them and found out that they were returning from a visit to their brethren in the Calais refugee camps and had been supplying them with food and who knows whatever other sustenance for their ‘stay-over’ in Calais… no doubt a few passports were conveniently lost…. I believe there are some very sophisticated and prosperous printing businesses in the Pas-de Calais….

  • PaD

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18519395

    There’s more than Merkel involved in this caper

    • PaD

      for once it’s ‘well done BBC’

  • John_Orwell

    Why do people keep saying the Dublin regulation requires that people must claim asylum in the first country they reach. It doesn’t. The purpose of the Dublin regulation is to ensure one can only apply for asylum in one european country. There is limited provision that the country in which they claim asylum can refer them to a country they previously resided. But they can apply for asylum in any country once. That is why they choose what they think is the best country to go to

    • William_Brown

      Didn’t know that – Thanks.

  • Gordon Fraser

    Aren’t Germans importing essentially Nazis fans as atonement for once being ruled by Nazis? Hmm.

  • Guest

    Germany seems to be going for the hat-rick by shafting Europe three times in one century.
    Roll on the referendum.

  • Charles Lufkin

    MERKEL is pure evil.This cheap labor shill wants to import a massive infusion of third world cheap labor to please her corporate cronies.

  • slyblade

    If you want to see the Germany of tomorrow look at the Sweden of today.Forty years after the Swedish parliament unanimously decided to change the formerly homogenous Sweden into a multicultural country, violent crime has increased by 300% and r@pes by 1,472%. Sweden is now number two on the list of r@pe countries, surpassed only by Lesotho in Southern Africa.

    No doubt looking at the facts may make unpleasant reading for the multicultural Liberal democrats that pose as Conservatives but facts are facts. Germany has now pushed it’s own cultural and religious suicide button. The only way back will be through violence thus leading to a rise from the far right as we have seen in Greece. I fear for the future of Germany and the rest of Europe it is a demographic time bomb waiting to explode.

  • William_Brown

    “…..Merkel’s grandstanding on Syrian refugees will lead to many more deaths at sea”
    And more still on land.

  • SpeccieMailTrueBlueTilYouDie

    James Forsyth has outdone himself for stupidity this time – as have obviously the majority of Speccie readers. Whether or not Germany offers asylum in this style makes scarcely a scintilla of difference to the rational decision making of migrants (not that it will solve any of the problems at source and may admittedly make very little difference in the greater scheme of things). But I’m going to ask you dimwits a questions – what seriously is your alternative – is it this? –

    “For me, as a British and hence European citizen, and also as a human being, the most important question raised by the present crisis is not whether the people of the countries of Europe wish to accept more refugees. Rather, the most important question is whether the people of Europe wish their countries to become the sorts of societies that are capable of taking the steps that will be required to stop the flow of migration.

    Simply hardening borders and watching refugees drown offshore or bleed to death on razor wire will not be enough. Europe will have to drastically reduce its attractiveness to refugees. Those who look like refugees will need to be terrorised. They will need to be systematically beaten, rounded up, expelled. Some will need to be killed. The avenues of advancement of those who are not native-born will need to be curtailed by law and by custom – a system of apartheid will need to be instituted. To be of apparent migrant origin in a European country will need to become a fate worse than living in a town or village overrun by bloodthirsty fanatics, by rapacious warlords and thugs.

    In such a Europe, the essence of Hitler’s thousand-year Reich will not have been defeated; it will merely have suffered an interruption that lasted a few decades. Many people in Germany, perhaps, recognise this. It could explain the marked difference in the tenor and substance of their country’s response to refugees. They know where fortress Europe will and must lead, what a final solution to the issue of migrant arrivals would entail.

    All Europeans, including the people of Britain, must ask themselves if they wish to live in such societies. They need to dispense with the delusion that theirs can remain pleasant countries and unattractive countries at the same time. If they decide that no, in the end they do not have it in them to do what would need to be done, to become the kinds of people who would repel migrants – horrify migrants, terrify migrants – then they will need to plan for a future of large-scale migration.”

    Because that in essence is what you look are advocating. But you’re too thick to work that out.

    • Sunshine Sux

      Let oil rich, enormous Muslim countries take the poor Muslim refugees, that are refugees due to inter-Muslim warring.
      Oh, you mean they don’t give a F…?!
      Maybe that’s because they are emptying their jails and cleansing themselves form terrorist who they then send to us, and we dhimmi morons welcome them with sandwiches and welcome committees, and then have to listen to twits such as yourself reprimanding us for being realistic as to what’s gonna come, once the ‘Welcome Islam Honeymoon’ is over.

      • SpeccieMailTrueBlueTilYouDie

        You’ve just made my point dimbo. Strangely enough they don’t want to go to Saudi Arabia – because as you’ve pointed out – it’s horrible. The only way that they are going to stop coming here is if we make the UK effectively more unpleasant than Saudi Arabia. Well if that’s want you want you may as well admit you’re a fascist now and save yourself the bother of pretending you have a conscience

        • Sunshine Sux

          you should take your conscience for a stroll through Rotherham

        • Pioneer
        • Mark

          How do you know they don’t want to go to Saudi Arabia?

          When I lived in Saudi Arabia in the 90s I met many people from Syria who had taken refuge following the events in Hama in the 1980s. For the record I also met numerous Lebanese, Palestinians, Afghans and Eritreans. Presumably the Saudis and other gulf states now have enough of such groups in the carefully managed labour market, hence their reluctance to admit more.

          What happens when Muslims arrive in Europe? Here’s what, they build mosques, set up sharia courts to administer their affairs, they make demands for halal food, they enact their supremacist belief system against unbelievers and women, they demand controls on freedom of speech on religious grounds and useful idiots call it “diversity” and merrily go along with it.

          Many Muslim refugees want to live in an Islamic society, what is happening is that that Islamic society is gradually being created in Europe.

          And in a few decades Europe, our homeland will be as “horrible as Saudi Arabia”.

        • Kate S.

          Syria used to be Westernised, moderate, even secular, as recently as the 1970s. I am glad you realise that Saudi Arabia is indeed an unpleasant place to live, however, it’s Saudi Arabia and its Wahhabist/Salafist ideology that’s been adding fuel to the fire. The problems this islamisation aka introduction of political islam have brought are not left behind at the border. On the contrary, the migrants bring these issues and convictions with them, and as the radicalisation of many second- or third-generation Muslims who were born and raised in Europe, but without identifying with our values, and in many cases actively rejecting them, proves.

          I’ve said for years that the Saudis are the cause of many, if not most, of the problems in the Middle East and North Africa. As the responsible party, they have a post-imperialist duty to host them, and make changes to accommodate them. Has it ever occurred to you that the uncontrolled influx of culturally incompatible people could potentially cause long-term tensions and undesirable societal changes? Do you really want to bring the Middle East, its unequal societies, and all its problems to your door step? Funny thing is if it happened elsewhere, let’s say to a non-European country/region/tribe and the migrants were white Europeans, there would be outraged shrieks of cultural imperialism, neo-colonialism, military/economic/cultural/religious supremacy, but European native cultures are not afforded the same protection and rights, eh?

    • sidor

      What to do?

      Let me suggest once again a simple arrangement that will definitely work.

      1. Create at each continent a refugee safe zone under the UN protection and supervision.

      2. All those arriving to Europe from other continents should be comfortably transported back to the home continent and accommodated in the respective refugee safe zone.

      They will stop coming and risking their lives in crossing the sea.

    • OpenEurope

      No country can absorbed unlimited mass migration from less socially developed regions of the world – not even Germany. All countries need borders, just as all houses need doors. What would you do if you came home one day to find someone had illegally broken into your house and taken up residence without your permission?

      Yes, we should take genuine Asylum Seekers, but we cannot take millions of Economic Migrants seeking a better life and deliberating risking the lives of their children to do so . Given your intolerant and arrogant insults you are clearly a socialist. Go back to reading the Guardian.

      • Frank Marker

        Nailed it in one OpenEurope. We can do without the arrogance of SpeccieMail or whatever he calls himself.

        Perhaps I can direct him and his arrogance to that frightening video of “refugees” chanting on a train to Germany,“May Allah make it difficult on their women”, “Allah give victory to Islam” and “May Allah make orphans out of their children”on the train from Hungary to Germany.

    • Pioneer

      Leftist.

  • Terence Hale

    Reading today in the German FAZ who states there is no constitutional
    right for a quality of life; humanity has a problem

    • Marlis frederiksen

      It was the hungarian leader who said that and he is quite right.

  • oregun

    Merkel is the German equivalent of Obama. She is going to transform Germany into a non functioning hello hole by swamping one of the few remaining prosperous countries into an unsustainable welfare state. This appears to be an undeclared economic war perpetrated by the left on a global scale. If they can’t defeat you in a military war this seems to be the answer. Use people’s desire to help one another to destroy a country from within.

    • WTF

      She’s determined to take Germany down the same Islamic path as Sweden has already adopted and has found its too late to turn back from.

  • Narna Joan

    I cannot express politely how angry I am at Angela Merkel. So I would rather not.
    She basically unleashed something and now she forces other EU countries to take part in it.
    Why is it that the UK can opt out? This is what they call democracy and the UK can opt out but in Central and Eastern Europe we are threatened to not have financial support if we do not agree with the quota? What is this? Some communist dictatorship? Recently I feel like I am in one. It’s like a far-left government. Disgusting.
    I am from Hungary. Until Merkel’s and other people’s stupid, idiotic, hypocritical statements we had the situation under control. We didn’t have too much room for the refugees but at least they didn’t protest against our laws and not this many came.
    Now they do not want to work with our authorities. And people in the EU are criticizing us? For making a fence? I would like to switch places for a month with each of these smart ass countries and see how they can handle it. Because Serbia does not stop them. On the contrary. They basically transport them at our borders. And there is nothing, anything that suggests that it will be over. So do NOT dare to criticize MY country. Especially that Greece also does not do anything according to the law. EU should have helped Turkey, Jordan, Libanon and Greece. And NOT making stupid empty promises.
    This whole thing is disgusting. And I am glad we have a right-wing government. At least we DO care about the negative effects, and the long-term effects of this. Not like in the other rich countries.

    • Pioneer

      After EU passports have been given to the hundreds of thousands, they can go to the UK.

      Cameron will do nothing.

  • Wildflowers

    She sure seems power crazed: “Merkel ‘expects Cameron to back EU army’ in exchange for renegotiation.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/11861247/Merkel-expects-Cameron-to-back-EU-army-in-exchange-for-renegotiation.html

    Angela Merkel will expect David Cameron to drop his opposition to an EU army in exchange for supporting Britain’s renegotiation, the Telegraph has been told. The German chancellor will ask Britain to stand aside as she promotes an ambitious blueprint to integrate continental Europe’s armed forces. It comes as Jean-Claude Juncker, president of the European Commission, said Britain will get a deal if it gives the green light to a raft of powerful new EU institutions.

    A Berlin source said agreeing not to “block” Mrs Merkel’s defence plans is a “favour” that she would seek from Mr Cameron as he looks for her support in the renegotiation. “If you want favours, you have to give favours,” the source said. “If Cameron wants a ‘flexible Europe’, he must let other members integrate further. Yes – opt out, opt out, opt out – and then shut up.”

    The creation of an EU army could marginalise Britain within Nato, and result in the United States downgrading the special relationship with Britain in favour of Paris and Berlin, experts warn. While Mr Cameron backs tighter Eurozone integration, he faces a dilemma over whether the risk of a diminished strategic position is a price worth paying in his renegotiation.

    The Telegraph has seen an unpublished position paper drawn up by Mrs Merkel’s party, the CDU, that sets out a detailed 10-point plan for military co-operation in Europe. It is understood to closely reflect her thinking, and calls for a permanent EU military HQ, combined weapons procurement and a shared military doctrine. The paper says it is “urgent” to integrate armed forces “in the face of multifaceted crises”. It calls for “a permanent structured and coordinated cooperation of national armed forces in the medium term.

    “In the long run, this process should according to the present German coalition agreement lead also to a European Army subject to Parliamentarian control.” It adds: “In the framework of NATO, a uniform European pillar will be more valuable and efficient for the USA than with the present rag-rug characterised by a lack of joint European planning, procurement, and interoperability.” A similar paper has been circulated by Elmar Brok, a key Merkel ally, within the EPP party group in the European Parliament. It describes the lack of an EU military headquarters as “absurd”.

    Frances Burwell, vice president of the US-based Atlantic Council think tank, said the United States would welcome integration to make wasteful European defence spending more efficient. However, the special relationship could be “downgraded” if Britain refused to join, in favour of the “very active” French military. “In combination with the discussion about whether Britain will leave the EU, it would contribute to a downgrading,” she said. “If you did something like that, the natural leaders would be France and Germany and we’d have to spend a lot of time with them.” “There used to be no doubt about who we would call first – but things are now more complicated.”

    Mrs Merkel is backing a push by Mr Juncker to create an EU army. Earlier this year his defence adviser, Michel Barnier, issued a paper through the EU’s in-house think tank calling for permanent military integration using legal mechanisms known as PESCO created by the Lisbon Treaty of 2009. Under the treaty, Britain could not be forced to join a joint army, but it cannot veto its creation.

    The paper proposes an Operational Headquarters, a European Medical Command and a Joint Helicopter Wing as first steps under a project that would save billions in duplication between countries. Since 2007 the EU has had two rotating emergency battlegroups of 1,500 men, but they have never seen combat – something Mr Barnier dubs a “failure” that “must be addressed”. A combined military is necessary “in order to become a vector of the EU as a global actor,” and to “significantly strengthen the European pillar within NATO”, the paper says.

    It notes: “UK does not share an interest in a closely integrated European defence, whereas Germany and France, together with the Benelux countries, Italy, Spain and more recently Poland are more open to the idea.” It adds: “Clearly, security in Europe is today high in demand and low in supply, begging the question: “If not now, when?”

    In a major address on Wednesday, Mr Juncker said Britain’s renegotiation will “recognise the reality” it has special opt outs on policy. But crucially, he added: “To be fair to the other member states, the UK’s choices must not prevent them from further integration where they see fit.” Mr Juncker proposed powerful EU institutions that Britain would not be obliged to join, including a Eurozone treasury, a border and coast guard, a ‘green card’ system of legal immigration and a new raft of laws regulating pay and conditions.

    A common EU army has been a goal of European integrationists for sixty years, but Britain has long been a major obstacle. Mr Cameron pledged to oppose “notions like an EU army” in the 2015 Conservative manifesto, and has repeatedly attacked the idea as Prime Minister.

    Geoffrey Van Orden, a Conservative MEP and retired British Army brigadier, said allowing a European army is “too high a price to pay” for Britain’s renegotiation. It could form a powerful caucus within Nato, and the United States would conclude “we no longer had any influence on the continent” and downgrade its relationship. It could also result in Britain being shut out the lucrative defence equipment market in Europe, he said. “I have always suspected that we were willing to make concessions in relation to foreign policy in exchange for French and German support in other areas,” he said. “I don’t accept we should have to pay this price. We should not trade away something so strategically important for some minor concessions in terms of reform.”

    Jan Techau, director of Carnegie Europe, a policy think tank, said defence integration “will probably come up” during the renegotiation talks with Germany. However, securing Mr Cameron’s backing for political integration of the Eurozone is a far higher priority for Mrs Merkel, he said. “It is too important for Britain not to mention it. But my feeling is it is not going to be one of the crucial issues,” he said.

    A Government spokesman said: “The British public are clear that they are not happy with the status quo, and the PM is determined to address those concerns.” A source added: “This is just yet more of the noise and speculation we said there would be during the negotiations.”

  • John P Hughes

    The UK Government’s approach is to spending resources on handling the refugees from the Syrian conflict in the Levant itself. This is set out by Justine Greening, International Development Secretary, in the 8 minute long BBC radio interview of last Monday 7 September, which can be heard on the Foreign Office website at
    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/syria-refugees-uk-government-response
    It is worth listening to it in full. Ms Greening says that the UK has spent as much on providing for refugees from the Syrian conflict as the rest of the EU put together.
    The one fact she could have given, but doesn’t, is the current annual spend from the DfID’s £12 billion budget on this whole programme, in Turkey, Jordan and Lebanon. If the BBC interviewer hadn’t been so obsessed with the numbers now in Europe (and interrupting her, so she has to say ‘let me finish what I’m saying’ more than once), he might have asked her to give the figures for UK development aid spending has been in the last two years in the Levant itself – she probably had them ready.
    This useful broadcast indicates that Ms Greening has a programme in place, which (it seems) the Prime Minister was not fully aware of (he hasn’t exactly stressed its scale). And that taking people from the region into Britain really isn’t necessary if the resources are well-used in the Levant itself.
    The Secretary of State also says that she has been in European Union Foreign Aid Ministers’ meetings during the conflict over the last year or more, and has set out what the UK was doing, and found that other EU countries were not putting up anything like the UK level of funding for handling in the region the refugees from Syria. (That may explain why the UN programme is underfunded, which she also says in the interview.)

  • Ambientereal

    Well, the trick produced incredible results. First, the video where Merkel said to a Palestinian girl that she can´t stay in Germany https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4bvFohf8Jk, second, the picture of Arslan dead in the beach. It all did a perfect heartbreaking comedy. And Merkel´s hearth did actually break. But what is going to break are not only some hearths, and certainly not of pity. What is going to break is the EU that cannot stand Merkel and her allies any more. What is the purpose of encouraging more immigration? Even his internal coalition with CSU is collapsing. It is time that UK stays out of all this madness.

  • MrJones

    Merkel lit the match for what will turn out to be one of the biggest explosions in history.

    I wonder who, if any will be left standing.

    • Mark

      Those who will be left will be those who collectively and individually are able to defend themselves against the new orders demands for compliance.

      The leaders of this new order, the EU, the UN, the internationalists are inviting domination by Islam.

  • Mark

    ,,..

  • Wildflowers
  • Bart Rozendoorn

    Unspoken facts by the unchoosen Political Correct Dictators in Brussel.
    The Syrien (chiefly) Soenistic Islam population choosed for an irrational and absurd birthnumber, from 5 – till 23 million people in 2 generation till 40 years.

    About a little 15 years their will be 600.000.000.000 (600 MILLION) extra Moslims
    in this world and who speaks about it? Who dares to critisice it?
    Merkel… and the EU-Crew Schulz, Juncker, Timmermans, and all these un-choosen network-dictators, have never talked about these Islam-choise for exploding numbers…

    And even now they have the ”guts” for calling their own population
    ”Facists”’…

    I think these ”correct” people are Facist by them selves,
    They are at least as arrogant, as intolerant and as irrational as the Nazi’s
    where in their time!!!

  • anka

    Just in: 28 migrants were killed as a boat capsized off Greece. Germany to suspend Schengen and reinstore borders with Austria. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-13/germany-reintroduces-border-controls-austria-sends-riot-police-refugee-crisis-spiral

    • Bonkim

      After the horses have bolted.

      • WTF

        Where’s Jean Claud Juncker when you need him ? Just kidding, he’s probably bolted back to his tax laundering country called Luxembourg !

        • anka

          Just as this news was announced, he posted on twitter he spoke with Merkel and the borders will stay open. It was priceless to read the furious reactions, before were taking down. The milder one: Burn in Hell for what you did to Europe. Just priceless.

          • WTF

            Some basic facts of life that Jean Claude Juncker knows but lies about and Merkel foolishly believes but then flip flops over.

            If you leave a pot of honey open in the woods it will attract bears. If you leave a pot of jam open in you back yard at a BBQ it will attract flies and wasps. You’re a dumb s*** if you do this !

            If you have very generous benefits system and advertise that fact, it will attract millions of economic migrants looking for free handouts. (Germany, Sweden, Nederlands & UK) Not a good idea !

            If you offer to take in unlimited so called ‘refugees’ (Germany & Sweden), you will attract eco-migrants & terrorists with very few genuine refugees. Not a good idea !

            If you have job opportunities (Germany, Britain) it will attract workers from other EU countries. Not a problem provided family benefits are only paid to those resident in the country the bread winner works.

            If you turn your country into a tax laundering cartel that deprives other countries of their due tax take, it is immoral and should be treated as a criminal act on a par with money laundering by drug cartels & illegal arms dealing. Jean Claude Juncker and Luxembourg anyone ?

            You reap what you sow and you should pay the price not the peoples of the EU.

  • Alltaxationistheft

    It’s all going pear shape. Border controls re introduced this house of cards is starting to topple

  • No, here’s what leaves to more deaths at sea: Hundreds of Syrians who CAN’T SWIM, choosing to leave in rickety boats.
    Consider walking. Or next time, choose a better form of government.
    Better still: Just stay out of Europe. They seem quite full up on cabbies, porters and Islamic terrorists already.

  • Ilpalazzo

    Nobody seems to bring up as well that Syria is fighting a civil war, which means a schism of its people. You import a mishmash of the people, you import their civil war. And since Islam is about creating schisms (every single islamic organization ALWAYS splits and fights against itself),, a schism of conflict will emerge in Europe.

  • Bill the Cat

    This will only end with a LOT more death, European and Muslim, and the forced repatriation of the Muslim invaders. Merkel should have been removed long ago.

  • dogwonder

    Europe defeated the Muslim Army at the Gates of Vienna and Merkel opened said gates and welcomed what could be the first wave of ISIS fighters without so much as an attempt to verify if they were actual welfare migrants or violent Jihadis. She should face criminal prosecution for what she’s done, people smugglers must be one happy group after her Edict from on German high.

  • Bonkim

    Europe should set up holding camps for the unwelcome migrants – until their status is established. Any found to be economic migrants should be thrown out post haste.

  • James Perley

    My wife and I lived in Essex for two years. Our ancestors mostly came from Britain, Germany, and Scandinavia. I feel sorry for the migrants, many of whom seem like nice people, but even if they stopped coming today, the effects would last for years. Our ancestors fled bad conditions and tried to better their lives. Where will Europeans go when it falls apart. The US and Canada have problems of their own and are following down the same road.

    • j95lee

      If there’s any country that could at least find spaces for millions of migrants, it’s Canada. The place is bigger than United States in land area but has 1/10 of the population.

      • dogwonder

        Canada can’t afford to place millions of Muslims in a Northern climate and they don’t want to there because they don’t believe in giving healthy males welfare for life like England and some EU member nations.

        • j95lee

          They probably can’t afford to take in refugees, but they have plenty of spaces for them. They’re already taking in 50,000 refugees. Europe should just send money to Canada so they can take on another 30,50 thousand migrants.

          There are places in the middle east that sees snow, right?

          • Callipygian

            Not for six months of the year!

      • WTF

        Space isn’t the issue as they could just as easily go to the south pole where no one owns it. The issue is cost, health, education, housing & food, none of which a western country can provide or afford at the rate these people are flooding in. If let in, it will be like locusts stripping fields of produce when the essential services we pay for collapse under the load and diseases we previously had conquered reappear affecting everyone.

        We had banished TB in the UK until Labours mass immigration policies brought it back into the UK but if essential services like health care, infrastructure and food collapsed, we’d see cholera and other middle age diseases making a come back in Europe.

      • Linda Smith

        Why should Canada commit cultural suicide. Saudi Arabia’s got plenty of space and money.

      • Frank Marker

        Please see Mark Steyn for details.

      • Callipygian

        Fine. The Arabs, being familiar with desert, can go to the tundra and live in the desert there.

        • Bonkim

          No camels in the Tundra

          • I’m sure they can cope with a sled and some huskies.

      • Bonkim

        but too cold for warm blooded Muslims.

    • WTF

      The oil rich states of Saudi and the UAE have more than enough space and money to help these people but they stand idly by other than Saudi which is funding 200 mosques to help turn Germany into a Islamic state.

  • Dan Sullivan

    Germany has closed their borders.

  • dogwonder

    Wonder how the German taxpayer’s feel about providing free welfare for life to healthy able bodied Muslim men? Think they’ll integrate Merkel, the Turks didn’t did they?

    • WTF

      I’m sure a fly on the wall would have heard Merkels advisers telling her that unless she stops the flow it will end up like the 1930’s again when a new leader surfaces and gets people to take matters into their own hands to fix the problem.

      Problem is, it may already be too late and once more Germany is the focus of round three in a new conflict of cultures. At least the UK hasn’t got any mutual self defense pacts with Islamic countries unlike round two with Poland.

      • Philipp Richardt

        Merkel is already that leader. Different colours, same idea.

    • Philipp Richardt

      Answering your first question: with a closed fist in the pocket.
      The thing is, you voice your concerns and the good-doers label you as Nazi, you run the risk of being attacked by radical left-winged hooligans an finally you might lose your job (no kidding, it already happened).
      What does this Germany resemble right now?
      Better fight Merkel now!

  • WTF

    Well, well, well, Merkel ‘temporarily’ suspends Schengen Agreement and closes its borders. Jean Claude Juncker and his fascist mates in Brussels wont like that will they and I bet our Nige is watching this with subdued ‘glee’ thinking I told you so.

    Its temporary ? Is it, I doubt it as the flood of economic migrants that Merkel foolishly invited into Europe wont stop any day soon along with the quota of “Jihadists”. I can just see all the headless morons in Brussels in a panic as once again Nigel Farage has been proved right and Merkel is obviously s******* herself that her people would fight back against an unwelcome take over of their country in the near future.

    The irony is the very thing she was scared of, being seen as a fascist state in refusing to control unwelcome immigration has led her along that very path where real fascism is likely to re-assert itself due to being overburdened by eco-migrants, freeloaders and some Jihadists for good measure.

    Lib**tards in all countries always end up creating the very undesirable results they falsely claim they want to stop !

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3232744/We-t-German-authorities-call-urgent-action-migrant-crisis-locals-say-Munich-brink-humanitarian-disaster.html?login#readerCommentsCommand-message-field

  • 5topAmnesty

    Germany will likely not have a country left after this stunt, but, BY GOD, the Germans will be able to HOLD THEIR HEADS UP HIGH when they have to deal with Trump’s UN Representative.

    • WTF

      Not sure I follow your train of thought.

      Trumps views on immigration are no different to Nigel Farage and both want an Australian style process that has been proven to work. It reduces the chances of Jihadists getting in, it controls the enormous extra costs involved in feeding, providing health care & shelter and as Oz has seen, it severely cuts back on criminally reckless fathers risking their children’s lives on a sea crossing a. It also invites those in who have skills that the country needs. Its a win win for everyone.

  • WTF

    In the insect world, locusts and ants send out raiding parties first to find the best pickings before they invade that region by the tens of thousands !

  • Roxy7

    What a mess. When this started the EU should have dispatched ships to turn the boats around. Making it clear that anyone coming in illegally had no hope of asylum. Doing as the UK did and taking refugees who had been screened and vetted from the camps. Now Merkel has opened the floodgates with Muslims who will start whining and complaining if they are still in tents in Dec.

    • Callipygian

      It’s cultural and economic suicide. And I prefer the term we use in America — or used to use, before Obama — and that is ‘illegal alien’ (as opposed to legal ones). God only knows what the proper term is now.

  • MrJones

    Bear in mind the media are focusing on the Syrian refugees to distract people from the tens of thousands of young male economic migrants sailing over from Libya.

  • WTF

    Don’t the lib**tards get it ?

    The majority of these so called refugees are really the advance ‘raiding’ party of male economic migrants heading for countries where welfare benefits are the highest before they bring in their families. Sweden tops the list followed by the UK & Germany, and specifically the UK because we have a bunch of soft liberals in charge and Germany because of their guilt trip over WWII.

    These eco-migrants don’t want to go to bankrupt EU countries like Spain, Portugal or Greece as there aren’t any welfare benefits to be gleaned and a large percentage of their own young people who want to work have already abandoned their country of birth and left for Northern Europe or Latin America. They don’t want to go to former east European states like Hungary or Poland as there aren’t any welfare benefits & free medical care there either. They want the northern states who have a very well developed ‘free to them’ welfare state !

    You can look at migratory patterns of birds to see where and why they follow a certain route and its no different with these migrants.

  • cristo52

    Will EU members be putting fences back up along old borders with check points and crossings guarded by national armies? Will that then be the end of the EU? And what’s the chance that out of the 800,000 or so “refugees” that four or five hundred are hard-line, radical Muslims looking to go beyond upsetting the apple cart?

  • Linda Smith

    While the EU mainland countries are putting up fences, we should be blowing up the Channel Tunnel.

  • boonteetan

    Is there any future in Syria? It has become a gigantic burial ground for three hundred thousands, yet killing rages on. Already nearly half the population had left the nation, more to go. In no time, only people holding guns will remain, anxiously waiting or searching for more shooting targets.

  • Charles Hatvani

    The pure German race has never been averse to aggression. Having been crossed with the Russian blood, also not above a bit of aggressivity, and Turkish, ditto, and finally, with the Arab blood… What will become of this Presswurst of a nation after a few generations, a nation in the midst of Europe, with not enough of their beloved Lebensraum?

  • Jethro Bodine

    “And so it was
    that some time in the middle of second decade of the 21st century began
    another of many waves of holy muslim invaders into Europe, which,
    though larger than those before it, was a only a harbinger of swarms to
    come, to feast on Europe’s immoral, decadent, and decaying corpse. May
    Allah be praised”.

    — A History of Islamic Europe, 2085

    • Sunshine Sux

      But at least they weren’t Islamophobic.

    • Augustus

      And so it was
      that they went forth and multiplied. And Islamic laws were imposed upon it: Every female being required to cover up. The ‘right to rape’ law for all non-covered females. A Jizya tax on all male dhimmis. The conversion of all non-Muslim religious buildings into mosques. The banning of alcohol, pork and all non-halal food…..

      • Jethro Bodine

        I’d fecking laugh if it wasn’t so damn tragically sad.

  • Terence Hale

    The German way of doing things, in my opinion as a consequence
    of internal political measures under pressure from the fair right sister party
    from Bavaria.

    • Hamburger

      If the CSU had there way, there would not be even Turks in Germany. We would also have to listen to Bavarian music three times a week. They are very cross with her.

  • Philipp Richardt

    Me as a German, I am disgusted of Merkel’s actions of imperialistically imposing her views on our neighbouring states.
    She created that problem, she solves it. I think, it’s a good idea if Mr. Cameron and other european leaders call for her destitution. This would be meddling in German affairs, but taking Merkel’s meddling in other countries affairs it will be justified.
    Nobody can screw up that much and expect to stay in office.

  • WTF

    Its time Merkel & Junckers read up on recent European history
    if they want to avoid a repeat of mistakes made in the past that led to
    war. The trigger for World War 1 came from the most unexpected cause
    namely the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand
    of the Austro-Hungarian Empire by Serbians, but who could have foreseen
    that at the time.

    The Balkans had been a hotbed of warring factions for
    years and that death of one man was enough to start a European war that killed
    many millions. Have the Balkans changed much since then ? Not really, it
    was held together by a communist dictator for a few decades but upon
    his death reverted to genocidal fighting between Muslims and non Muslims
    until Nato stepped in and cracked some heads.

    Now its an uneasy peace
    and a conduit to Hungary & Austria and the EU countries for economic migrants coming from today’s
    genocidal region, namely most of North Africa and the middle east. Not a
    lot ever changes where Islam has a presence as civil war is pretty much
    guaranteed to break out at some point in time for the most obscure
    reasons. History has shown that right from its birth when Muslim
    factions of Medina and Mecca went at each other throats in the 5th
    century.

    Pretty much all of the same players are in place and actively involved
    in this migrant crisis, Austria, Hungary, Serbia, Germany and the
    Islamic states whilst those further afield are trying to stay out of it
    but no one can predict how it will end. The only certainty is that
    unless EU borders are re-instated and immigrants are banned from
    entering, it will all end in tears once more. The European Union project
    started out as a common market which made sense but was corrupted into a
    political union enforced by fascist legislators in Brussels. Now we’ll
    see the fracturing of that ill thought out political union produces and the
    peoples of Europe will suffer as a consequence.

    That’s the history lesson over for Merkel & Juncker but the question
    still remains, what will trigger the next conflict in Europe, a flood
    of Islamic free loaders when the indigenous peoples of Europe have had
    enough of this culture or some other very obscure event like Sarajevo ?

    You can try and mitigate against known risks like too much immigration if our leaders weren’t so blind to it but what chance do we have against an unexpected event !

  • Peter

    It’s a shame this happening. German and austrian government have kept criticizing and talking bullsh.t about my country (Hungary). We’ve had enough of both of them. They created this whole mess and whatever we do they can do nothing but bad mouthing us. EU is about to collapse, we really need help to stop these aggressive invaders (they call them refugees we call them economical migrants – the real refugees have been waiting in Turkey) but those 2 are like a 5 year old kid. Merkel and everyone around her is totally idiot. Europe is lost if they are not resigned.

  • IceKing

    What Merkel does, is just what the typical only-for-political-power-acting German politician does. She just does what the people want.

    And since a lot of German people are just dumb, politically left-winged idiots whose most important worry is that they are never seen as Nazis, of course she acts like that. While in other countries, it is important to be a citizen of the state, e.g. like a British, Japanese, whatever, in Germany it is considered to be a shame to be called “German”.

    There is no real actual debate about whether how many foreigners the country can handle without having problems. There is no real actual debate about the money they cost. Since the German political system is federalized, there is no real control about how much money the refugees will cost, since refugees are problems of the cities or villages and not of the state. The state helps the cities of course, but not so much. That’s the reason why nowadays some cities even went bankrupt because of that stupid policy. For example Berlin-Kreuzberg, Hannover, and in the Ruhrgebiet (Nordrhein-Westfalen) many cities have to struggle as well.

    Everyone even asking critical questions about this behavior is considered to be a Nazi in Germany. The CSU is the only political party, together with the right-winged AfD, which is being more sceptic about the migrant movement nowadays.
    Together with the right-wing-extremists of the NPD.
    And if there is one even asking about, what will be happening to schools, to the future of children etc. he is compared to the right-wing-violence-loving idiots in Eastern Germany like in Heidenau.

    This is what nowadays Germany is like.
    If you speak sceptic about this whole topic you are considered to be like that.
    There is the German word “Nazi-Keule”, which means Nazi-mace and is a word for the typical rhetoric tactic to defame someone on a very personal level so that you don’t have to be concerned about the actual facts of the topic.

    I am really worried about the situation here because there is no actual discussion. Either way you see those “Refugees-Welcome”-signs at the main station or those far-right-extremists. There is no way in between.

    As a German, I am ashamed of the government and the people here. A lot of them really lost their mind.

    • Heureka

      Absolut richtig! Das größte Problem ist, dass sich keines unserer Medien traut, die Dinge beim Namen zu nennen!

  • WTF

    Back in the 1960’s and 70’s the CIA had programs to destabilize many countries that leaned towards the USSR and they funded guerrilla groups to overthrow those regimes. Now its the turn of the Saudis, they have the money, we have the Lib**tards and between them they are gradually creating Islamic states in Europe.

    Sweden has all but reached that point, Germany will be next if Merkel carries on her open door policy and many more smaller states under the fiscal jackboot of Jean Claude Juncker will be under sharia law inside 5 years.

  • Callipygian

    If they want to ‘risk their lives to leave France’ — let ’em.

  • Shortest Straw

    It’s a very simple situation. If the migrants are bad people, then it is insane for Europe to be taking them in.
    If the migrants are good people, Europe is contributing to the demise of the origin country.

    Migration must be limited to levels which the host country can absorb and the origin countries can manage without.

    • Bonkim

      Elementary my dear Watson – now are those at the top endowed with basic logic?

  • ThomaPaine99

    I couldn’t believe Merkle’s words that there was “no limit” to how many refugees Germany could absorb and said that it would forever change Germany. So she alone decided to change the destiny of the German people and signed its death warrant? No consulting with the people as to whether they wanted to extinguish over a millenium or more of civilization? Not only this, but her actions endanger the very foundations of European civilization. How deluded are these lefties? She only has to look at the lack of Turkish integration to predict the future. I really am confounded. Is Merkle insane or an agent of a foreign government? Because she must be one or the other to say what she has said and either way, she need to be removed from office. What gives her the right to take the resources of her country in such large measure and promise them to so many strangers who come with unknown intent and will later send for their wives and many children and elders. I am not an expert, but I can see that there are many men coming, who could be ISIS fighters. Homeland security in the US said that Obama’s plan to take 10,000 “refugees” would be disaterous, since they could not be vetted. So…..how are the hoards of 100s of 1000s of “refugees” in Europe going to be sifted through to weed out the jihadists, criminals, fraudsters and economic invaders? They cannot, and it is too late to remove the evildoers now, since I am sure the network of fighters that ISIS promised is already being established. Its almost like a bad movie, imagining a village of naive and generous people who are “welcoming” the Vikings and waking up to find their kindness and generosity has been repaid with smouldering ruins.

  • WTF

    The true face of liberals was seen again tonight when Nancy Soderberg was interviewed on Fox news over the economic migrant debacle in Europe. When asked about vetting 10,000 migrants she wanted to be let into the USA, she claimed that she could guarantee that ALL Jihadists could be filtered out. Perhaps she can walk on water as well !

    The best part however was when asked if she’d welcome an immigrant family into her home and show by example. True to form and like all liberals, she refused to answer the question repeating over and over again “that wasn’t the question”. I guess hundreds of thousands heard and understood the question being asked many times but not Nancy Soderburgh. Like Merkel in Germany, Juncker in Brussels, these liberals are very free with other peoples tax dollars, euros and pounds as well as the public’s safety but not when it affects them.

    The moral high ground always comes at a great cost, and the electorates pays in money & lives but it never costs a cent for these liberal do gooders !

    • Jethro Bodine

      Vlad the Impaler would have been shaking his head, if only he could find it.

      Our leaders are headlessly insane. Unreal.

      • WTF

        Its either insanity, damn lies or a bit of both !

  • Harryagain
  • Bonkim

    Angela Merkel’s plan has unravelled. The Hungarians are doing their job and good luck to them. Don’t shed any tears for the vermin now rushing into Europe. These are battle hardened many fighters in the civil war and have nothing to lose and will take extreme steps to have their way. If idiot parents bring their large broods along for the picnic – don’t feel pity – their own fault – bad parents and their children suffer the consequences.

    • Hamburger

      Plan?

  • Kate S.

    Has anybody else read the utter rubbish written by this eejit? http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/lordre/2015/09/syrian-refugees-dont-owe-europe-anything.html — Harry J. Bentham
    I’ve done a quick Google search and saw that his name popped up in connection with Press TV, that paragon of truth in reporting!!!

  • WTF

    In a related issue, beware buying property any place where the normal rule of law doesn’t apply as demonstrated in the article below. Quite apart from rip off developers you now have economic migrants & Jihadists to contend with.

    At this moment in time, ONLY in places like the USA & Canada, the UK, Holland, Germany and Scandinavia, including antipodean places like Australia & New Zealand, are they a pretty safe bet. The only caveat is which ones may succumb to Sharia law in the next 5-10 years (My money is on Sweden).

    They’ve had decades of track record for removing earlier corruption & scams that now you’re relatively secure and you have some protection. The further south you go to Mexico, Central America & South America as well as Spain, Portugal, Turkey, North Africa and the middle east, you’re asking for trouble and that includes the Islamic Jihadism into those areas. No where is 100% safe but certain areas are safer than others both fiscally and religiously. Buying in Egypt as those in this article did even before the recent genocidal wars was utter stupidity.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/news/article-3235903/The-luxury-flats-Egypt-s-Red-Sea-coast-cost-British-holidaymakers-life-savings.html#comments

  • Strange that Merkle can just upend the Dublin Agreement as if it was nothing. How come others like France and Germany treat these laws with contempt, but we gold plate all European regulations and kowtow even when they are not in our interests like when Cameron was made to pay an extra £1.7Bn to take account of money made in the UK by drug traffickers and prostitutes?

    Asylum shopping for the best deal can never work, but that is what Merkle has encouraged. The only people it seems who are operating the asylum process properly are the Hungarians, but they are held in contempt by EU politicians and the professional asylum advocates like the UNHCR. Hungary set up camps, feeding arrangements, registration processes and was rewarded with a migrant rebellion and then castigated by the left-wing jackals of the professionally outraged tendency. Ridiculous – and then Merkle flip-flopped as tens of thousands of plainly economic migrants from Syria swarmed into Munich. NONE of the Syrians reaching the Hungarian border are asylum seekers, for they have willingly left Greece – a safe country. Indeed, they were not seeking asylum when they arrived in Greece, for Turkey, their previous refuge is also a safe country. The gradual slide in the definition from ‘fleeing well founded fear of persecution and war,’ to ‘looking for a better life,’ which seems to be the new UN definition MUST be resisted at all costs unless we want to bring billions of people from Africa, the Middle East and South Asia into our continent. The sheer idiocy of the left on this is mind boggling. What would Europe be like, swarming with new-comers, many of them culturally incompatible? How many easily angered Muslims do we need? We see day by day on our TV how the people waiting at the Hungarian border behave. They have no respect for our laws, our well-being or our traditions. They riot at the drop of a hat and rip up border fences with abandon.

    • Bonkim

      UK government should take the matter with UNHCR.

  • wayne

    Wake up it’s deliberate we are being set up for slaughter, and economic ruin

    Slaughter I have proof of

    Our
    leaders of the West are keeping this from us. You can easily verify this.

    This is my own research, yes the draft is poorly written but the content is
    just as valid and easily verifiable.

    A DECLARATION OF WAR?

    Recently 56

    Islamic countries & Palestine got together and decided to change

    Shariah law to Abrogate Christianity & Judaism as religions. This
    gives

    Muslims legal permission to Rape, kill enslave Christians & Jews as they
    have relegated us all to infidels.

    ALL ISLAMIC SECTS AGREED. ON THIS MATTER THERE IS NO DISAGREEMENT

    [Please don’t be confused with common atrocities against Christians & Jews.
    Jews & Christians were killed in accordance with Shariah for breaking
    Shariah law. Example trumped up Koran damage or drinking from the wrong well,
    offending Mohammad etc. They would usually legalise it.

    It has always been illegal until this change to kill a believer of the same
    Abrahamic god unless Sharia law was broken..

    The terms Infidel and Kafir are for NON-believers of the Abrahamic god.
    Examples Buddhists, Atheists, Hindus, etc]

    Proof: You can find it in the manual for Islamic law (shariah) called the
    ‘Reliance of the traveler”. The de facto point of reference for Clerics
    & Muslims on Shariah law.

    Reliance
    of the traveler page 846 (Revised edition) by Nuh Ha Mim Keller

    Written
    in English so as to quote ” make sure there are no misunderstandings
    through translation”

    Says:

    Previously revealed religions were valid in their own eras, but were abrogated
    by the universal message of Islam.

    It goes on to say the book is written in English so that there can be no
    mistranslation of the message and that..

    it is unbelief (Kufr) to hold remnant cults now bearing the names of formerly
    valid religions, such as “Christianity” or Judaism,” are
    acceptable to Allah Most High after he sent the final Messenger (Sic)

    It ends with..

    This is a matter over which there is no disagreement among Islamic Scholars
    (sic) THEY’VE ALL AGREED LEGALLY

    This is a scholarly consensus known as ijma that says..

    the ruling agreed upon is an authoritative part of Sacred Law that is
    obligatory to obey and not lawful to disobey (sic) Translation: kill all non-Muslims or be apostatized and
    killed as an Infidel-Gruesomely

    Blah blah blah

    Can’t
    ever be changed..

    because the ruling on it, verified by scholarly consensus, is an absolute legal
    ruling which does not’ admit of being contravened or annulled. (sic)

    It also goes on to say that any Muslims who discuss or consider (think) about
    the subject are to be apostatized and heads removed. This means they can’t
    speak about it but also it handicaps them as they can’t lie either because
    lying takes consideration. So if you seek other proof ask a few Muslims.

  • Common Porpoise

    Journalist Buys a Syrian Passport for Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte.

    https://twitter.com/HaraldDoornbos/status/644056427716345856

    If you can’t read Dutch, here are translations of several tweets he’s posted about it…

    For the first time I’ve got proof that you can buy a fake Syrian passport; for $825,- I’ve bought both a passport and identity card for Mark Rutte (note: current Dutch prime minister) as I could chose my own name and photo.

    The passports are fake, though ‘official’ in the sense that Syrian mafia acquired/took empty passports and official printing equipment from Assad.

    Within the region, those with most interest are mainly from 1). Al-Nusra or ISIS looking for a new passport and identity in order reach the EU 2). those who’ve fought, raped and murdered during the war and want to build a new life in the EU and 3). non-Syrians such as Palestinians or Moroccans who buy Syrian passports in Southern-Turkey hoping to claim refugee status in the EU.

    You’ll receive a test-press via app in order to check if it’s all good. Within 40 hours, you have your ‘official’ passport and identity card.

    After asking around a bit I quickly collected six phone numbers I could call. The first one I called did few passports and was more focused on boat trips. The second one said I could come by tomorrow and everything would be ready.

    https://twitter.com/HaraldDoornbos

  • How did a Stasi agent and an Agitation and Propaganda officer when a member of the East German ‘Free German Youth’…

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/new-book-suggests-angela-merkel-was-closer-to-communism-than-thought-a-899768.html

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/05/21/article-2328536-19EB9CC3000005DC-960_634x391.jpg

    …become Chancellor of Germany? This is how…

    The following is a discovery I made in April regarding the fake collapse of the USSR, and what that fraudulent collapse proves about the institutions of the West…

    When Soviet citizens were liberated from 74 years of Marxist horror on December 26, 1991 there were ZERO celebrations throughout the USSR, proving (1) the “collapse” of the USSR is a strategic ruse; and (2) the political parties of the West were already co-opted by Marxists,* otherwise the USSR (and East Bloc nations) couldn’t have gotten away with the ruse.

    ZERO celebrations, as the The Atlantic article inadvertently informs us…

    http://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2011/12/20-years-since-the-fall-of-the-soviet-union/100214/

    Notice, however, the Kremlin staged demonstrations that took place in Russia (and other Soviet republics) in the years immediately preceding the ‘collapse’, yet ZERO celebrations after the ‘collapse’!

    For more on this discovery see my blog…

    https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/

    Conclusion:

    The West will form new political parties where candidates are vetted for Marxist ideology, the use of the polygraph to be an important tool for such vetting. Then the West can finally liberate the globe of vanguard Communism.

    Note: In March of 1990 when East Germany held its first “free” election since 1933…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_German_general_election,_1990

    … there were over 338,000 Soviet soldiers still in East Germany…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_of_Soviet_Forces_in_Germany

    …proving that those “elections” were fake. October 3, 1990, witnessed German reunification. The West German side of Brandenburg Gate saw celebrations with fireworks. However, one won’t find pictures or film of even one celebration elsewhere throughout what was East Germany, because East Germany was occupied by the USSR, as was all of Germany now. For the next four years after the tearing down of the Berlin Wall, Soviet Armed Forces would remain in East Germany, ensuring that the new Communist regime was secure there before its total evacuation on August 31, 1994.

    ————————-

    * The failed socialist inspired and controlled pan-European revolutions that swept the continent in 1848(1) thought Marxists and socialists a powerful lesson, that lesson being they couldn’t win overtly,(2) so they adopted the tactic of infiltration of the West’s political parties/institutions. In the case of the United States…(continue reading at DNotice)…

    https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/now-you-see-me-now-you-don-t

    Now you know why not one political party in the West requested verification of the collapse of the USSR, and the media failed to alert your attention to this fact, including the “alternative” media. When determining whether the “former” USSR is complying with arms control treaties, what does the United States do to confirm compliance? Right, the United States sends into the “former” USSR investigative teams to VERIFY compliance, yet when it’s the fate of the West that’s at stake should the collapse of the USSR be a ruse, what does the United States do to confirm the collapse? Nothing!

    The fraudulent “collapse” of the USSR (and East Bloc) couldn’t have been pulled off until both political parties in the United States (and political parties elsewhere in the West) were co-opted by Marxists, which explains why verification of the “collapse” was never undertaken by the West, such verification being (1) a natural administrative procedure (since the USSR wasn’t occupied by Western military forces); and (2) necessary for the survival of the West. Recall President Reagan’s favorite phrase, “Trust, but verify”.

    It gets worse–the “freed” Soviets and West also never (1) de-Communized the Soviet Armed Forces of its Communist Party officer corps, which was 90% officered by Communist Party members; and (2) arrested/de-mobilized the 6-million vigilantes that assisted the Soviet Union’s Ministry of the Interior and police control the populations of the larger cities during the period of “Perestroika” (1986-1991)!

    There can be no collapse of the USSR (or East Bloc nations) without…

    Verification, De-Communization and De-mobilization.

    The West never verified the collapse of the USSR because no collapse occurred, since if a real collapse had occurred the West would have verified it, since the survival of the West depends on verification. Conversely, this proves that the political parties of the West were co-opted by Marxists long before the fraudulent collapse of the USSR, since the survival of the West depends on verification.

    The above means that the so-called “War on Terror” is an operation being carried out by the Marxist co-opted governments of the West in alliance with the USSR and other Communist nations, the purpose being to (1) destroy the prominence of the West in the eyes of the world, where the West is seen (i) invading nations without cause; (ii) causing chaos around the globe; and (iii) killing over one-million civilians and boasting of torture; (2) close off non-Russian supplies of oil for export, thereby increasing the price of oil, the higher price allowing oil exporting Russia to maintain economic stability while she modernizes and increases her military forces; (3) destroy the United States Armed Forces via the never-ending “War on Terror”; the ultimate purpose of the aforementioned to (4) bring about the demise of the United States in the world, opening up a political void to be filled by a new pan-national entity composed of Europe and Russia (replacing the European Union), a union “From the Atlantic to Vladivostok”; which will (5) see the end of NATO.

    Now you know how Bolshevik Russia survived in 1917; how the West “lost” China to the Communists in 1949; why the Eisenhower administration turned a deaf ear to the anti-Communist Hungarian uprising in 1956; why the Eisenhower administration in 1959 was indifferent to the Castro brothers’ Communist fidelity, actually used the CIA to overthrow the Batista government; why the Nixon administration abandoned Taiwan for Communist China, and signed treaties/provided economic aid to the USSR; why the Nixon administration refused to tell the American People that over 50% of North Vietnamese NVA regiments were actually Chinese People’s Liberation Army soldiers (attired in NVA uniforms, and proving that the Sino/Soviet Split was a ruse, as KGB defector Major Anatoliy Golitsyn told the West back in 1962), thereby (1) ensuring the Vietnam War would be lost; (2) destroying the prominence of the United States abroad and at home; (3) breeding distrust between the American people and their government; and (4) securing Communist victories in Southeast Asia. Working in the background within the political parties of the United States and Great Britain were Marxist agents doing their best to (1) ensure the survival of Communist nations when they popped up; and (2) sabotage any policies that would bring down a Communist nation. That’s why after the fake collapses of the East Bloc nations and USSR there was no mandatory Western verification process to ensure the Communists weren’t still in control.

  • Common Porpoise

    Is Merkel in hiding yet?

    Hungarian police have opened fire with tear gas against 1500 rioting migrants who are attempting to break through the country’s border fence. Migrants have been chanting “Allah hu Akbar” while pelting police officers with missiles including “really big rocks”, bottles, and even food

    Live feed.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PnapmSRO2I

    The media on the “migrant” side need to be pulled out and arrested for collusion.

    These vermin need to be forced back out of Europe.

  • WTF
  • Common Porpoise

    https://twitter.com/Exen/status/644187501675028481

    I don’t care if you’re fleeing Assad or the devil himself, NOTHING justifies doing this to your child

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPCdHNjXAAAiM0F.jpg

  • Common Porpoise
  • Harryagain

    Bit more on the topic here.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkIocH91j0w

  • anka

    Germany is outraged that Hungarian police is using water&gas against migrants trying to break in and throwing stones&kids. Feels like I’m living in an absurd Ionesco play.

    • Eik

      Not Germany is outraged. Some stupid German leftwinger are outraged.
      That is a big difference.

  • Common Porpoise

    The President of Germany’s refugee authority has quit !

    http://www.thelocal.de/20150917/president-of-refugee-authority-resigns-from-post

    The president of Germany’s Federal Office for Migration and Refugees (BAMF) has handed in his resignation, the government said on Thursday.

    An Interior Ministry statement said that Manfred Schmidt had made the decision “for personal reasons”.

  • mabank

    I am German and I hate Merkel for what she did. This is the most insane thing any government has ever done. It is 100% contrary to the interest of the people, it violates all kinds of laws including our basic law and European contracts and it puts the whole nation’s entire existance at risk. It will completely ruin our country. It will destroy our welfare system, it will lead to even lower wages and higher tax rates, increased unemployment, more poverty, undermining of our own culture, growing no-go areas, riots and in the end civil war (yes civil war! These millions of young male muslims are not coming here to integrate, they are coming here to demand and to conquer and within 1 generation they will be the majority). I gave up on hoping the government will fix anything. This is a planned controlled demolition of Germany and Europe. I can only hope, it gets so really bad so quickly, that people will wake up and realize what is going on. I fear only our very own 9/11 can still stop this desaster.

    Otherwise Germany will yet another time be responsible for ruining Europe.

    • Federike

      It seems to me – you may laugh – as long planed rejuvenation. The media tells around the clock how wunderfull it is that thousands and tousands of reguees come to europe and to germany. What said Obama : Germany ist too white. What said Merkel and Wulff : The Islam belongs to Germany.

      My problem is that no one stops Mr Merkel even the members of their party are quite. Only the baverian Mr. Seehofer ist against this massive influx. The poeple stand on his side but what can he do. She is the one in power.

  • ebs

    “Merkel is failing that test spectacularly.”
    No, Frau Merkel will not fail. That’s the goal. Europe should thus lose its identity to the benefit of the United States.
    TTIP is dead shock.

  • George Corvin

    Incorrect, Merkel and not the people that any Syrian who goes on a walkabout and ends up in Germany can remain. In a democracy people are to make decisions and not one politician, who lost it a long time ago. It seems that the Hungarian Premier, Victor Orban is one of the few politicians who can think logically. Merkel’s stupidity cost billions to Hungary and Merkel should compensate Hungary instead of was ting on the Greeks.

    Germany need a politician with guts and pack all the those on walkabout and ship them back to their land. If not it will be the downfall of Europe. Merkel is simply unfit as a decision maker.

  • bialybor

    I know people who think it’s all a conspiracy of the ?rich/elite or Jews, to lower the wages and make us slaves. It’s stupid in itself……but regarding Merkel, there’s a simple explanation: our leaders are not necessarily smarter than us and sometimes make a really bad decisions! Chamberlain comes to mind too!

    • D M C

      Uhh it is a conspiracy any moron can see the EU is importing genocide. Only liberal morons can do things this vile and heartless. All libs need to be stripped of the right to vote. They are no different than Islam scum they are helping destroy white euro culture. Every excuse they throw at us is bull!!!

      • jae

        lol. “importing genocide” So you think they are going to kill all the refugees? Or you think the refugees are going to kill all the native Europeans? I think you said nearly the same thing as before, I don’t think you understand that people don’t fit into one category. I must be a liberal-conservative then.

  • A Simple Guest

    Merkel is an US poopet and she is manipulated from over the pond… (she does not know what her NSA files contain – but for sure something that enable US to blackmail her).

    Now a few interesting articles:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-27/george-soros-demands-eu-accept-1-million-refugees-costing-%E2%82%AC15-billion-year-foreseeab

    and in Romanian (you can also find it in Hingarian) I read yesterday:
    ”George Soros, acuzat de Ungaria ca sprijina financiar imigratia ilegala”

    and in English:
    http://news.sky.com/story/1551853/sky-finds-handbook-for-eu-bound-migrants

    with a comment from a reader: ‘
    ‘Sky, will you do some real investigating and show people that this mass invasion of Europe is being fueled by the Hungarian-American billionaire George Soros? A person followed the trail
    back from these booklets through the companies and donors listed and it led right to his Left wing organization, the Open Society Foundations. Soros is paying for a lot of this mass migration from Africa and Asia into Europe and our Governments must do something to stop him.”

    • Heather

      US puppet? We aren’t letting in refugees like Germany! lol. I hope not. Nope, Merkel is part of the white apologist PC leftist social democrat movement in Europe, the same system that has plagued Sweden and France…..it’s a disaster of its own making. Fair and square. And I’m not inclined to want to vote for Marshall Plan III when Europe goes under.

      • jae

        Right, my three grandparents who fought in WWII are pissed and feel it was all for nothing. France- Parlez-vous Arabic? C’est votre avenir. I want the US to pull out of Germany now. The EU has it’s own military, no? They should be able to take care of themselves.

        • Heather

          Allahu Akhbar, merci bien, Welkommen in Europa! Inshallah!

  • Richard Powell

    A very foolish mistake. When Germany discovers the problems of a incompatable culture (Islam) it will turn , as France, Holland and Sweden Etc to a right wing government and as history has shown..the results could be horrible.

    • Heather

      Right, what could possibly go wrong?

  • sarah

    And Australia copped so much disgust and judgement and international condemnation – for turning back the boats. Denying anyone who arrived via people smugglers the right to asylum. Because we had to prevent all those deaths that were occurring at sea. Because we had migrants, literally throwing children overboard to force the navy to pick them up. Now Europe is getting a taste of what Australia once did and is realizing their folly. Do not NOT reward people smuggling. Accept genuine refugees from camps. These people, after all – are stuck there – they are not wealthy enough to pay the smugglers to make the trip. They are in genuine need. Not a veritable army of men aged 18-49, swarming through Europe, well dressed, with smart phones, demanding all manner of things, whilst they make their way to Germany to hold Merkel to account to her idiotic promise.

    • Heather

      Hah, the real refugees never had the money to pay smugglers. Period. They are the ones who are orphaned and widowed and missing eyes and stuff…..no phones, either, and no designer jeans. What a joke. A ny idiot could see what this is. Well except the European leaders that get to crybully folks into accepting their multikulti agendae. This level of self deception in European governments hasn’t been seen since collaboration with Hitler, to be honest.

    • jae

      The problem they have, is that the smugglers are Turks and Turkey just blackmailed the EU in more ways than one. The EU leaders are so stupid, now 75 million Turks will be able to come in visa free and set up better smuggling routes. I’m sorry, but a country that lets people buy fake life jackets, is not a country that has the same values as a western nation! They are the ones forging the fake Syrian passports, they let all those people in so how can they be trusted to be an external border for the EU? Greece failed at that too. Bulgaria had some sense of responsibility at least.

  • Mike

    I think the Germans see their welcoming refugees from Syria as proof that they are now morally completely free of the ideas of Nazism, and the stain that has left on their national conscious.

    Angela Merkel sees it as her Luther moment – there she stands and she can do nothing else.

    Germany in the grip of a big idea, familiar theme in European history…oh sh*t.

    • Heather

      Yup, as they said, it’s a decision that’s all about 70 years ago and not about today or today’s Germany. Well done. Way to be forward thinking, Merkel. The parallels is shortsightedness are so obvious it pains the casual observer and would be Marshall Plan (v.2) funder.

  • Frank Moore

    Great article!
    Loaded with commonsense. Congratulations.
    Australia’s history as the “only western nation which shut down large scale people smuggling” should be of great interest to Europeans. Howard’s government first shut down the trade in 2001. For the seven years – no deaths. Then the Rudd government channeled leftist media support and dismantled the successful settings – Euro style – which then led to 1,200 deaths at sea. This government was replaced again by a conservative version that confronted much larger problem and ended it extremely quickly via boat turn backs and offshore processing.
    Australians feel responsible for policy settings that lure people to their deaths. Europeans blame it on anyone else but themselves.
    The key element to both successful Australian programs was to DENY DESTINATION CHOICE.
    You can seek asylum via boat attempting to reach Australia. You will be intercepted, sent back – or taken to a third world nation hired for the purpose of processing asylum and or settling genuine applicants.
    Almost no one applies!

    • Heather

      Unfortunately, common sense…isn’t so common, eh?

    • jae

      Actually, I saw somewhere that these people are just kept on an island off shore, in detention, until they are sent back to whatever hellhole they came from. People aren’t too aware of it.

      • Frank Moore

        That’s wrong! Every Genuine Ref has been offered Asylum. In Cambodia or PNG. Of the thousands found to be UNHCR “Genuine” only 5 – that’s five only – have proven to be Real Refugees and taken up the offer.
        Of those 3 went home.
        So after 1000s have drowned, billions made by criminal gangs, billions spent by Australian taxpayers to stop the dying inflicted on its shores the answer is two!
        We have found Two refugees.
        Now look at the debacle of Europe!

  • Heather

    I’ve been saying this all along. If the ONLY party advocating for a reasonable restriction of refugees is the far right, well, then that’s the party that will win the next elections. Merkel and her government are over but I do believe the damage is done and that the EU is on the way out. How that woman feels she can strongarm the rest of Europe is amazing….EU has never looked worse or more German-centric than it is at this moment…..good riddance to it all. Merkel has just made the dumbest political decision of this century….and I’m not quite sure yet this isn’t going to lead to armed conflict on European soil again. One thing is for sure, when the European sheeple want to be brainwashed, they go all in.

  • Peace Lover

    WELL I DON’T UNDERSTAND THE REASON OF ACCEPTING THESE THOUSANDS OF IMMIGRANTS (REFUGEES) TO EU , EU MUST NOT ACCEPT THESE REFUGEES THEY WILL TURN THE EUROPE INTO A ISLAMIC REPUBLIC DUE TO THEIR MASSIVELY HIGHER NUMBER OF BIRTHS THAN WHITE EUROPEANS,IF YOU DON’T BELIEVE ME YOU CAN CHECK ON GOOGLE

    • D M C

      I agree 100% and the liberal scum media is sensoring a lot of other things too. Libs are just as big of an enemy as the Islam scum they support with EU peoples money. All liberals are garbage!!!

      • jae

        Are you sure you even know what liberal means? I’m pretty liberal but DO NOT agree with what is happening in the EU, I want the US to change NOTHING of the 2nd amendment, nor do I want mass immigration into the US. A wall will do nothing, I’d rather have triple border patrol and enforce the laws we have. Yes, ALL media are liars or are biased and report very few facts, but that’s b/c they are owned by a few people. CNN only reports 15% facts, the rest is opinions, like other news outlets, too much opinion and not enough facts.

    • King.

      I TO FEEL TOTALLY OUTRAGED BY WHAT HAS BEEN ALLOWED TO GO ON IN EUROPE. ALL THOSE VOTING IN AMERICA HAD BETTER VOTE VERY CAREFULLY. WHAT IS BERNIE SANDERS STANCE ON THIS. HE HAS YET TO EVENT TALK ABOUT IT. TRUMP ON THE OTHER HAND IS FULLY AWARE OF THIS AND HAS STATED THAT MERKEL IS A DISGRACE.

      • jae

        That is the ONLY reason to consider Trump. I have to know Bernie’s position on this and the border but he DOES seem more interested in fixing our own problems and minding out own business, I hope. However, I read that the whole war in the region is just a power struggle between the US and Russia (companies&gov) for whom will control the building of gas and oil pipelines from the Gulf States into the EU. It pisses me off A LOT if this was done for monetary gain for a few people and the US gets blamed when it’s not the people it’s the asshats like sOros and others.

        • King.

          I AGREE. THAT IS WHO I AM VOTING FOR. BERNIE SEEMS TOTALLY OBLIVIOUS TO THE DANGER OF THIS CULTURE EVEN WHEN IT IS CLEAR TO ALL THAT ARE INFORMED THAT IT IS VOLATILE AND FORCES SHARIA LAW ON HOST COUNTRIES AT EVERY TURN.

    • King.

      I TOTALLY AGREE. THANK YOU FOR THE LINKS.

  • King.

    AND THE RAPE RATE GOES UP AND UP AND UP. SWEDEN NOW HAS THE HIGHEST RAPE RATE IN THE WORLD NEXT TO LESOTHO IN AFRICA. GERMAN WOMEN SUFFERED THE TAHARRUSH GAMEA RAPE GAME 0N NEW YEARS EVE WHERE OVER 1000 WOMEN AND YOUNG GIRLS WERE SEXUALLY ASSAULTED OR GANG RAPED BY THE MUSLIM MIGRANT INVADERS, WHICH GERMANY TRIED TO COVER UP. NORWAY IS ALSO HAVING A RAPE EPIDEMIC.
    ANGELA MERKEL AND THOSE INSANE POLITICIANS THAT FOLLOWED HER ARE AN UTTER DISGRACE FOR BEING SUCH WEAK, DUMB AND IGNORANT LEADERS.
    NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE TYRANNY OF THE WEAK (AND DUMB)

  • Rainer

    If you believe that any aspect of this “crisis” happened as a result of “muddled thinking” then you are seriously lacking in the capacity for critical thought. It could hardly be more obvious that a long game is being played, and that this is a planned part of a destructive strategy. “Creative Destruction”? “Order out of Chaos”? Ring any bells? No?

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