Mary Wakefield

‘Not to worry, just a gang killing’: the mantra of the metropolitan middle classes

Their extreme indifference isn’t just amoral, it’s a cause of crime

1 August 2015

9:00 AM

1 August 2015

9:00 AM

Another stabbing in my new neighbourhood, not with an axe or with a samurai sword this time, but a machete. The samurai sword incident was back in the spring. The magnolia was in bloom and the citizens of London N1 were about their innocent business, reading for book club and baking (wheat-free). At 3 p.m., a terrible screaming was heard coming from Englefield Road and when police arrived they found a teenage boy lying bleeding, sword on one side, meat cleaver on the other.

The machete killing which followed was worse. Daylight, but this time the crime scene was a playground. Children were goofing about after school, including the soon-to-be victim’s sister. Witnesses said two teenagers appeared on a scooter. The driver allegedly said to his passenger: ‘That boy in blue, get him,’ and so he did. He ran over to 18-year-old Stefan Appleton, raised a machete and stabbed him repeatedly in the chest.

When I cycled past the playground that evening, the now-familiar yellow crime-scene tape was bagging gently in the breeze; the familiar fat and anxious young officer standing by. So I said, (though I already knew), ‘What happened?’ He said: ‘Oh, not to worry, madam. Just a gang killing.’

Not to worry, just a gang killing. As knife crime rises across the capital, this has become the mantra of London’s middle class. Back in May, new to N1, I assumed that a grisly stabbing in the hood would be the subject of horrified and excited talk. Far from it. ‘Stabbing? Oh… that, it’s just gangs.’ said most of my neighbours. ‘Have you tried the new deli?’ The more brutal the murder, the more studiedly casual the response. A hand sliced off on Upper Street? ‘Not to worry.’ Death by ice-pick in the next street? ‘Kids, eh?’

As the summer wore on, measured out in axe attacks, I began to understand the phenomenon better. The two dominant communities of N1 are council tenants, living mostly on estates, and homeowners, in their early Victorian terraces. Like other London boroughs, the area has gentrified at speed, filled with refugees from Marylebone and Notting Hill, and these two groups are so utterly opposed in both income and habits that they have evolved a kind of selective blindness. Same shops, same streets, but it’s as if they exist in suspension, like oil and water, unmixed. There’s no middle group to bridge the gap, no shared habits or institutions, save perhaps the Church.


I can see how this strange apartheid began and even why it persists despite the murders. When you’ve spent a million or more on a family home and crooned over its cornices, it’s easier to ignore the fact that children are being hacked to death outside. When you’ve told your neighbours, and they’ve told you, that this is the nicest part of London, a brilliant find, it seems better not to mention that it’s also a hotspot for homicide.

Perhaps there are also political reasons for the wilful blindness. The N1 homeowner thinks of himself as caring. He’s sensitive, Left-leaning and inevitably hostile to police stop-and-search on the grounds that it’s racist. N1 man was right behind Nick Clegg when he kiboshed the plan to crack down on kids carrying knifes. He opposed ‘two strikes and you’re out’, meaning that kids caught twice with knives go to jail. The N1 objection echoed Clegg: ‘It’ll demonise youngsters and destroy lives.’ Cracking down on knife crime goes against the Islington grain. It cannot be a coincidence that, as the police eased off on stop-and-search, so knife crime in the capital took off and the knives became swords and meat cleavers and serrated scimitars.

What about the lives of the boys who’ve been stabbed? So far, they don’t seem to feature. For all the youngsters injured or killed in London, by far the loudest outcry is still over Henry Hicks. Hicks was a white lad, often stopped by the police for driving his scooter dangerously. He crashed and died in a police chase late last year and oh, how Islington has been up in arms. There’s graffiti all over north London: Justice for Henry Hicks, a memorial mural and now an official inquiry into his death, which shows how much influence an outcry can have.

So where’s the outcry over all the boys hacked to death? I suppose it’s just not as fun when you can’t blame the police. The perps and the victims of most gang-related knife crime in my area are black — so there’s no fashionable outrage to enjoy, just the murky sense of an unknown and disturbing world.

But the two N1 communities are linked, whether they like it or not. The extreme indifference of the middle classes isn’t just amoral, it’s a cause of crime, too.

Because the homeowners and the tax-payers haven’t cared, because (until this month) the stats stayed silent, the police focus in N1 has been cyclists. There they’ve stood all year, the Met, at crossroads in the Angel area, fining bankers who jumped the lights while life on the estates went to pot.

To be fair, things changed in mid-July. The Commissioner announced what we’d known for months: that knife crime was on the rise and suddenly the ‘two strikes’ policy was back. When I turned down my street last week, there was a very different sort of police officer in evidence: lean, serious-looking and tough, no pot bellies or sideburns. They had stopped and were frisking a couple of teenage boys in a friendly but determined way, and my reaction to their presence was relief, both for myself and for the boys of the estates.

How will N1 react? Will they accept, after the meat cleavers and swords, that stop-and-search might be necessary? I’ve already heard some talk of discrimination and of ‘two strikes’ blighting young lives, but what I’d like them to consider is this: what would Mrs Appleton think? Stefan’s mother, the mother of the kid killed in the playground back in June, don’t you think she might have welcomed a tougher approach to carrying machetes in the street?


This article mentions in passing Henry Hicks, who died late last year in a scooter accident. In it, I originally referred to Henry as ‘thuggish’, which in retrospect was unsubstantiated. My apologies to Henry’s family.

 

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  • MrJones

    The working class areas have pretty much all been cleansed now by crime that officially didn’t exist so it will be coming to the leafy parts of town now. I’m half glad the people who ignored it back when it was done to us are now getting worried.

    For every killing there’s scores of stabbings, rapes and gang beatings with about 90% of the victims in the 11-19 ish age group and the rest elderly – just so you know.

    • Kennybhoy

      “I’m half glad the people who ignored it back when it was done to us are now getting worried.”

      Aye Maister J there is a wee deil in me that thinks the same…

  • Damaris Tighe

    The police often think that they’re an arm of the social services. A documentary showed the case of a woman being stalked by her neighbour, who exposed himself w*nking daily, & who fired (legally held) guns into the air when she was around.

    After several years of this he was at last arrested. But on the same day his brother died. Astonishingly, the police decided to release the man & not pursue the case ‘so that he can be with his family to grieve’. Since when has the justice system become a branch of bereavement counselling?

    • Robbydot1

      Since Blair I think, he changed them from a police force to a service. Good thinking!

      • Damaris Tighe

        I don’t want a police service. I want a police force. And I suspect that everyone except the metro liberals (until they’re mugged of course) feels the same.

        • colchar

          But all those who feel that way are Tory scum or Fascists, at least according to the metro Liberals.

      • Kennybhoy

        Nope. Predates New Labour. As with so many other social phenomena NL certainly brought things to the boil, but just as certainly things had been simmering for some time previous…

        • Wessex Man

          Not by much, I remember well the police raiding our quiet game of three card brag in a country pub, none of us were causing trouble, yet three police cars were involved and the landlord lost his licence.

        • post_x_it

          I think Robbydot1 was referring to the other Blair (Sir Ian).
          Though of course he coincided with New Labour, both chronologically and in spirit.

      • Roger Hudson

        The Police should serve ‘the law’, to pretend it is a customer service industry is stupid.
        Private Eye used to call it ‘The Police Violence” in those great days of Knacker of the Yard.

  • Cymrugel

    The middle classes always do this.

    They seem to think that conditions around them can somehow be kept at arms length – they can’t.

    Crime isn’t always going to happen to someone else somewhere else.

    Either we address the social issues that are causing crime or we all live in fortress like gated communities.

    Better face up to it and make the choice.

    • pp22pp

      Lots of Africans = lots of knife crime.

    • Frank

      Actually locking up the perpetrators of crime might assist!

    • ChrisTavareIsMyIdol

      I grew up in a desperately poor mining area during the miners’ strike. For a year miners’ families were living from what we now call “food banks”.

      Never saw or heard of a knife crime once

    • MrJones

      “Better face up to it”

      You mean the BBC telling the truth about the urban gang problem after 40 years of ignoring it – not likely.

      • red2black

        Do that many people really rely on the BBC to find out what the latest news is any more?

        • MrJones

          Last I saw around 60% trusted the BBC – which is low but still a joke if you know what really happened in the inner cities over the last 40 years.

          • red2black

            Stop paying the licence fee.

  • MacGuffin

    Shhhhhhhh! Islington Man doesn’t like to discuss black criminality. Do not report on this matter again.

    • Labour Mole Catcher

      The accents of half of the callers to the Whataboutery (a.k.a. the “James O’Brien”) Show gives the game away.

      • Anti_Theist

        I can’t stomach more than 30 secs of James O’Brien before I have to switch off.

        • Labour Mole Catcher

          The ultimate wind-up, he really is! I listen to his poison sometimes, and I don’t even live anywhere near the Big Smoke!

    • Jugurtha

      That’s because Islington man acknowledges his privelege and realises he has no part in the discussion about such matters even though he may be very moved by what he sees.
      His frustration is shared by gang members who look on aghast through dining room windows yet know that they must maintain a dignified silence as they silently despair over artisan ciabatta drizzled with non-organic extra virgin olive oil.

      And never the twain shall meet…which identity politics decrees is how it should be.

      The depredations of neoliberalism and austerity mean one man must murder his brethren and another must murder the cous cous.

    • ErictheHorse

      Then MacGuffin you are clearly one of those unforgivable awful ‘wracists and you should not even be thinking that black criminality is possible let alone writing about it.

      For the avoidance of doubt the sarcasm button on my laptop has been deployed, when making this post.

  • David

    This reads like a perfect description of a vibrant diversified society to me.
    PS the plural of knife is knives.

  • Steve

    Marvellous and spot on article. The black community in London has a real problem, and I’m afraid, despite what cretins like Lee Jasper and other bleeding heart ‘liberals’ would have you believe, the responsibility lies within. Look at your own culture and take responsibility before you ruin one of the great cities of the world with your inability to behave within the boundaries of the law and decency.

    • Malcolm Stevas

      Know what you mean, but isn’t it indigenous English folk who have a “problem” rather than “the black community”?

      • yodaddy51

        Yes Malcolm the English problem is the Black Community.Maybe your “Leaders” will allow the EU to give you more Africans eh?

        • Malcolm Stevas

          Perhaps you’ve misunderstood something.

      • dalai guevara

        yawn – and then the trailer trash that looted Salford in the ‘riots’ wasn’t all ‘Irish’?

        • Malcolm Stevas

          Where is this “Salford”? Who are the “Irish”? What is “trailer trash”..?

    • colchar

      When there are this many bad apples there is obviously something wrong with the orchard.

      • Purple Commoner

        That’s right. Monoculture drains the soil, yields a reduced crop and is susceptible to disease.

  • Matthew Stevens

    “The two dominant communities of N1 are council tenants, living mostly on
    estates, and homeowners, in their early Victorian terraces. Like other
    London boroughs, the area has gentrified at speed, filled with refugees
    from Marylebone and Notting Hill, and these two groups are so utterly
    opposed in both income and habits that they have evolved a kind of
    selective blindness. Same shops, same streets, but it’s as if they exist
    in suspension, like oil and water, unmixed. There’s no middle group to
    bridge the gap, no shared habits or institutions save perhaps the C̶h̶u̶r̶c̶h̶ State.”

    …and that was the plan all along.

    • AverageGuyInTheStreet

      Its not just race, N1 one is now heavily Islamified… the large council estates between Camden and Euston Road are overflowing with burkhas and pyjama-wearers.

      • Robbydot1

        I was surprised the writer didn’t mention this.

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    Urban criminal violence is not your responsibility, Britisher pals. So take the necessary steps to ensure it’s no longer your problem.
    Jack, the Japan Alps Brit

    • Labour Mole Catcher

      Says the Japanese Ed Miliband lover!

  • will91

    Ahhhh Keep Calm and Celebrate Diversity!

    • dalai guevara

      We welcome the first undercover lefty to these blogs.

      • will91

        Sooooo slow! What took you so long? 😉

    • greggf

      “I can see how this strange apartheid began and even why it persists despite the murders.”

      It can’t be long before Britain, especially the cities, will come to resemble the cities in South Africa in a part inverted sense without the weather, the space and resources – unless you count welfare as a resource.
      There will be metropolitan middle classes and the rest…….

  • Alisteir McLaurin

    I blame the demonisation of knives and other ordinary utile items. 40 odd years ago youngsters could buy razor sharp knives and glue unhindered and make among other things, model aircraft that would fly and fly well. Then knives suddenly became dangerous and so did glue. I don’t remember hundreds of stabbings in the early seventies or hundreds of youngsters anesthetizing themselves with dope used to stiffen the wings either. Nevertheless, children are now taught from an early age that knives are for stabbing people and are therefore bad to the nth degree. Then having this insane idea put in their heads they do just that and stab someone or two. If there’s one thing that gets me in Victor Meldrew mode it’s the sign invariably seen in branches of Robert Dyas stating that under 18s cannot buy knives or solvents.

    • MrJones

      “I don’t remember hundreds of stabbings in the early seventies ”

      I do.

      The gang culture was just starting up around then but the BBC wouldn’t report it – which is why it’s so much worse now.

      • red2black

        ITV?

    • Malcolm Stevas

      A century ago, firearms ownership among ordinary citizens was virtually unrestricted and very much more widespread than today. Violent crime was proportionately far less common. I attempt no positive correlation between these things, it’s simply the case that most decent people are perfectly capable of owning defensive weapons without deleterious social consequences. Laws only affect the law abiding: criminals and the violently inclined will always own & use weapons regardless of restrictive laws.

      • Ambientereal

        Believe in your statement, the widespread possession of weapons do reduce violent crime at long last, but not in few months. Fact is that the ones trying to do some crime choose a weak person i.e. a woman or a very old man. When they know (and realize) that the victim could fire back, then the criminality reduces dramatically.

    • Jackthesmilingblack

      Can you still buy drain-clearing acid from your neighbourhood builders’ merchant?

      • Labour Mole Catcher

        You certain sound like you need a special quadruple dose of Opiates yourself!

      • Roger Hudson

        You can get a nice ‘oven cleaning’ caustic soda spray can, if it’s on the worktop when the house-breakers call you can ‘grab the nearest thing’ but must never ‘possess’ it as a weapon, just an oven cleaner.
        English law is wonderful.

  • 1__1_1

    The only way to do deal with crime is to report every single thing to the Police. And then you report the Police to your local MP.

    That usually gets action.

    Remember: Nobody will do anything unless somebody kicks up a fuss

    • MrJones

      That doesn’t work on politically incorrect crime as you will find out if it ever comes to where you live.

      • 1__1_1

        It does, you just have to make a really large fuss.

        • MrJones

          Yeah right – try it and see.

          • 1__1_1

            Did you think I was not speaking from experience?

          • MrJones

            Experience of making a big fuss about an aspect of crime that the BBC says doesn’t exist without losing your job, livelihood, home or getting arrested? Yes obviously.

            (Exception if you’re one of the few who did it despite the flak e.g. over the grooming gangs, in which case apologies.)

          • red2black

            ITV?

    • Johnnydub

      Remind me how long it took the police to get off their arses in Rotherham?

      • 1__1_1

        That’s what happens when nobody effective makes a fuss, a really really big fuss involving Newspapers as necessary.

        • Johnnydub

          If the establishment doesn’t want to “notice” then it won’t happen.

          Ann Cryer asked questions in the HoC 10 years ago and nothing happened.

  • Box Number

    I’m happy as long as there’s a Darwinian take on it all. If these people kill each other faster than they can reproduce then they’ll die out-literally.

    • MrJones

      100% wrong.

      Gang members get to reproduce *more* cos fear – tis all very Darwinian though.

  • Julian Kaye

    Seem to remember teddy boys, mods and rockers using knives. Nothing new, just happening in “posher” bits of town.

    • Cincinnatus

      In other words we can continue to ignore the problem. Good.

      • red2black

        Problems tend to be ignored when they’re only occurring in poorer areas. Unemployment for example – the higher up the social ladder it reaches, the more reported and urgent the problem becomes.

    • Mr Grumpy

      Rarely if ever with murderous intent, though, methinks.

    • MrJones

      Gang culture among young working class males is normal – the problem is the media covering up *some* gang cultures for PC reasons means they gradually get ten times worse than the usual kind.

      It’s like the grooming gangs. It started very small but because it was covered up it gradually got worse and worse.

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    The police have announced that they no longer investigate housebreaking and burglary. You’ve got a failed police service (force) on your hands, Britisher pals. Compare with my neck of the woods: Police are considering whether someone helping themselves to the supermarket free ice by the bucket full constitutes a misdomena

    • Malcolm Stevas

      Nice idea, but you’re right about those airborne pigs. It’s even less likely to happen in Japan, one of the few countries with civilian ownership of firearms even more restricted than the UK – in fact, restricted going on almost prohibited. I understand there’s a long waiting list (several years) simply to own a .22 rimfire target rifle.

      • freddiethegreat

        Airborne pigs? Are the police doing para training now?

      • Grace Ironwood

        Jack (my dog’s name is Jack) is lucky to live in a law-abiding, but highly conformist, society that has retained its social cohesion.

        You can leave your laptop on the table when you go inside a Japanese cafe with no concern for losing it.

        • Jackthesmilingblack

          What’s the point of a police state when you can’t walk the street at night?

          • Labour Mole Catcher

            A “Police State” … did you get picked up by the Old Bill a lot when you (as a Japanese student) were still living in Britain?!

          • Grace Ironwood

            Indeed.

            A friend who taught in Japan for a couple years wore a short sleeved shirt to work one day as the weather was beautiful. He was quietly taken aside and it was explained to him that it is not yet the correct season to wear short sleeves. 🙂

            I’d feel pretty safe walking the streets at night almost anywhere with my pal (psychoboxer) Jack

    • davidofkent

      The police have never investigated burglaries to any significant extent. They visit and give you a crime number and a pamphlet on house security. The fall in burglaries is the result of homeowners installing burglar alarms and awkward fences.

      • JamesCovey123

        They also have mobile phones and there is a lot of CCTV around.

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        Also due to the realisation that reporting crime is an exercise in frustration, except to get a crime report number to present to the insurance company.
        It’s Game Over Britisher pals. Hate it and leave it.
        Jack, the Japan Alps Brit

        • Labour Mole Catcher

          Except you are the same idiot who on a few days ago call for the legalisation of all drugs, including Heroin.

  • AndrewMelville

    Multiculturalism is so jolly.

    • Gilbert White

      When you are innocent english man going about your own business and obese black women take all the room with those wheelie bags in the aisle of the buses and no one will do anything about it. Might as well be on the Lusaka chicken express.

      • Brogan75

        Not to mention the buggies. Bus is full and we have to get off because she has 3 kids (and probably nothing else to do apart from breeding and using transports at rush time)

        • myieo

          Its a relief to see ppl are not taking this article seriously and if they are, your heads are filled with racist junk to keep you busy.
          I hope you are reincarnated into a ‘obese black woman. ..With 3 kids’
          See what its like in her shoes.
          Enjoy looking on at those ‘innocent’, self important white men. I wonder what those white men do with their days and evenings that make them more entitled than others. Saving lives?

          • uberwest

            Yes because being reborn as a black woman will mean that he automatically loses any self-control and self-discipline, right?

          • greencoat

            I hope her shoes are comfortable. You know what they say about black people….

  • cartimandua

    I feel sick whenever I hear Saint Doreen mentioned. Her “racism” in the police campaign has cost the lives of thousands of other Mothers sons.
    Enclose the estates , concierge them ,and put in weapons detectors.

    • Gilbert White

      We do not take statistics about how many, hulking racially supressed, Sir Christopher Wrens have mugged little boy’s dinner money. We simply have no evidence.

    • DDownie

      http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/london-gang-members-commit-6600-crimes-including-24-murders-in-three-years-9186733.html

      I don’t wanti to diminish the seriousness of the problem, but it doesn’t help to grossly exaggerate the murder rate. The link above shows 24 murders in three years – 24 murders too many but not thousands.

      Across the whole of the UK there are about 500-600 murders a year. One statistic it is difficult for the police to manipulate

      • MrJones

        If the paramedics went on strike you might get 24 in a summer month.

        • post_x_it

          They don’t have to go on strike. Soon there won’t be any left in London as they’re all queuing to hand in their resignations.

    • greencoat

      Have you visited her shrine yet?

  • Thomas Katz

    You’ve written an article that makes sense, you don’t belong in N1.

  • ChrisTavareIsMyIdol

    Don’t worry you’ll just flee to the home counties with excuses about “The commute for Jocasta’s schooling was hell”. A “nice” neighbourhood – 95% white middle class with the odd poor white person to do the cleaning and black/asian professional for you to “integrate” with.

    Seen it many times

    • Malcolm Stevas

      The matter under discussion is hardly “the odd poor white person”: it’s about large (and growing daily) areas of urban England colonised by alien cultures with (often) an alarming proclivity for violence.

      • Richard

        He’s not interested in that. He is only interested in what brings Leftie power, namely, faux interest in BMEs. To show interest in whites brings with it no advantage. Does Labour try to win power by being concerned about English people, say?

    • grimm

      Oh Jeez! Not this tired old lefty caricature of white middle class “toff” culture. Try venturing beyond the world of easy, lazy liberal/left moral certainties for a while. I know it’s difficult for people like you to relinquish the moral high ground (even temporarily) but if you take a break from left-wing groupthink for a while you may be surprised at what you find. Be more adventurous.

    • Barzini

      Yeah, how insane is that, moving to neighborhoods where it’s less likely to get stabbed – wow that’s so crazy and racist……

    • Richard

      But it’s good for blacks to gather en mass in certain areas, Asians in theirs, etc., in order to express ethnic pride or identity with like ethnics, or whatever other term you can come up with to attenuate actually judging their behaviour?

  • Disqus6a11fb

    Negroids are inherently more violent than us. Why can’t you say so?

    • AverageGuyInTheStreet

      A piece on the BBC news last night was asking why the pharmaceutical industry took so long to tackle ebola, the subtext being that it was racism, and if it was westerners dying a solution would have been found much sooner.
      To turn the question on its head: Why can’t Africans solve their own problems? Is their development so retarded that all their countries cannot produce modern research facilities that could find medical solutions themselves? Seriously, its time to really start shining a light on those societies that reap the rewards of western development but seem incapable of moving out of the dark ages themselves. Once we have an answer to that then perhaps we can lose all this nonsense about “racism”.

      • Robbydot1

        In your dreams! (And mine).

      • Muttley

        Why should they? They get everything done for them. They are like children, still relying on their overindulgent parents in the west.

      • post_x_it

        There is currently a campaign among students, especially at South African universities, to ‘decolonise’ all learning. In other words, they don’t want to be taught anything that an evil white man may have come up with.
        If successful, anyone reading for a medicine degree will only have access to knowledge and discoveries generated by black Africans, with everything else rejected as ‘colonial’.
        Interesting times ahead.

    • grimm

      Because droves of well-meaning (and influential) people will insist that this cannot possibly, not ever, not any way be true. Even looking for evidence to support the claim is aggressively racist – no, even suggesting that the claim can be tested is racist, bigoted, divisive. The well meaning people “know” that everyone is the same under the skin, that cultural differences are superficial.

    • Icebow

      Interesting word, negroid. Suggests someone that looks like a kneegrow, but isn’t actually one.

  • Hippograd

    A vulnerable yoot of Blackness might be holding the blade, but it’s white racism that stabs the yoot’s brother-in-oppression. As Rod Liddle notes, the compassionate and caring David Aaronovitch has pointed out the solution: Open the borders, saturate the country with vibrancy from Land’s End to John o’ Groats, and end white racism for ever.

  • DennisMcScumbag

    According to the British Crime Survey of 2011, for every one Black and Ethnic minority who is a victim of racially aggravated assault, four whites are victims of racially aggravated assault, even though blacks and ethnics are the minority at the moment.

  • Brogan75

    Some months ago in Milan a guy from El Salvador and his mates were on a train, when asked for a ticket they stabbed the officer with a machete and he almost lost his arm. They got arrested and he had the balls to say “I go around with a machete because you never know who you can meet”. Irony. This is your forced multiculturalism & “integration”.

  • fundamentallyflawed

    “The perps and the victims of most gang-related knife crime in my area are black ” – Perhaps if the London police were allowed to racially profile based on crime statistics in an effort to clamp down on certain crimes (especially gang and street crime related) then they would be able to stop and search suspect black gangs for Knives in the first place.
    WAIT – that’s racist.. Much better to let them kill each other and ghetto their neighbourhoods styled after US black rapper criminality

    • Alexsandr

      well if plod had recorded Pakistani rape of white girls against ethnic origin the pattern would have emerged earlier, not by Andrew Norfolk of the Times going through local newspaper morgues.

    • AverageGuyInTheStreet

      Don’t forget a large proportion of London’s ethnics (as well as the odd chav thrown in to keep things diverse) took part in 2011 in mass riot, looting and arson causing millions worth of damage as well as deaths just because the police shot an armed drug criminal who happened to be a half-caste. Clearly these people are so racist that they see everything in terms of us & them. When a white criminal is shot dead the rest of us think good riddance. When a thug who is “blud” is dispatched then they all go ape. THAT is racism at work. Black racism.

  • George

    ‘There they’ve stood all year, the Met, at crossroads in the Angel area, fining bankers who jumped the lights while life on the estates went to pot.’

    Every so often, one encounters anecdotes, which – when combined with others – portrays the Police as jobbers, who spend most of their time going after soft targets, because they’re less challenging or dangerous to confront, and more likely to provide a successful statistic-padding result. Within the last week, one simultaneously read about the Police claiming an inability to investigate burglaries, but also launching a ‘full-investigation’ into a few Scots dressed up as Gollywogs.

    You couldn’t make it up, as they say.

    • Mary Ann

      Ah but people like policemen on the beat, the fact that they are no more likely to stumble upon crime than you or I are is neither here nor there.

      • grimm

        I can’t remember the last time I “stumbled upon” a policeman (sorry, “bobby”) on the beat in my neighbourhood. That being said, if you think the whole purpose of having policemen on the beat is to catch criminals in the act you have a very poor understanding of policing.

      • Robbydot1

        Perhaps the possibility that the police could be just around the corner might prevent a few muggings, even the odd knife crime, don’t you think?

    • MrJones

      Plod careers revolve around avoiding PC landmines so plod priorities revolve around avoiding PC landmines.

      Once you realize that then their behavior makes sense.

  • jim

    It’s not a gang problem.It’s an immigrationethnicmulti-culti problem.

    • Disqus249b03

      It’s a Negro problem. Why can’t you say it?

      • red2black

        It seems plenty of people have said it, but it doesn’t make any difference.

      • jim

        Fair enough.But it’s not just them.The gang problem is just one example of blowback from mass immigration.There are other penalties too, such as the PC agenda which tries to stop the cops doing their job………Police profiling is only an intelligent focusing of resources.To stop and search young black males more frequently than old white females is no more racist than it is ageist or sexist.

      • Shorne

        Because it is only true in London, in England and Wales as a whole white knife crime offenders far outnumber BMEs.

        • Bob Gunter

          Where is your evidence?

          • red2black
          • Mr Grumpy

            Tells me very little. Give us stats for actual knife attacks and murders, not just possession.

          • red2black

            There are plenty of newspaper reports online if you type in ‘UK knife attacks’ for example. I don’t think there’ll be a single source for the information you asked me for.

          • red2black
          • Mr Grumpy

            “The Metropolitan Police recorded 43% (11,375 offences) of all knife or sharp instrument offences. This figure is equivalent to 137 offences per 100,000 population, three times the rate of England and Wales as a whole and more than double the rate of Greater Manchester (the force with the next highest rate).” (ONS re 2012-13)

            “Black African and African Caribbean individuals frequently represented in the murder victim and offender profile disproportionate to their representation in the overall youth population.”
            (Citizen Report re teenage murders in London)

            None of which will surprise anyone who reads the Evening Standard even occasionally.

          • red2black

            I don’t think it would surprise anyone, whether they read the Evening Standard or not. I lived in London through the 1980s, and reports of ‘black on black’ killings (usually stabbings) were met with a shrug of the shoulders.

          • Mr Grumpy

            London’s dirty little secret. I don’t live or work there, and I mentioned the Standard because if I didn’t occasionally pick one up on a train I’d hardly be aware that anyone much had got stabbed in London since Stephen Lawrence.

            And that shrug of (white) shoulders is of course fundamentally racist.

          • red2black

            London is very much self-aware and self-regarding, and there was certainly no secrecy about such things when I lived there. I daresay if the trouble had been, and was now, between indigenous gangs in poor inner city areas, reaction would have been pretty much the same, though perhaps even less in some quarters. I’d agree that on the part of some people, their reaction was fundamentally racist, but certainly not a majority.

          • Shorne

            Home Affairs Committee
            “In terms of knife-carrying, the 2008 MORI Youth Survey found “no significant difference in terms of carrying a ‘knife or ‘gun’ across ethnicity overall”. YouGov, Solutions to gun and knife crime, March 2009 found that young people from a black and minority ethnic background were more likely than their white counterparts to say that knife crime was a problem in their area, but the majority of current or former knife carriers were white.
            We asked specific questions about the relationship between knife-carrying and immigration, in light of evidence to our inquiry into Policing in the 21st Century which indicated there could be higher levels of carrying amongst immigrants from Eastern Europe. Dr Brohi noted that the Royal London Hospital does see evidence of knife use by organised criminal gangs originating from the Baltic states.”

          • Bob Gunter

            So in short your evidence is polls. You do not have any empirical data based upon arrests for knife crime and subsequent ethnic categorization based upon those arrest records. Why use polls when the police capture the very data that would prove your assertions and it would be nailed on? Oh that’s right, that data wouldn’t fit your narrative.

          • Shorne

            OK then produce statistics to prove that your ‘narrative’ is little more than bigotry. (Oh, and the Daily Mail, BNP etc. doesn’t count)
            I would add that when I worked as a Probation Officer for 30 years including 13 in a prison I saw and dealt with more white offenders convicted of knife crime than any other racial group.

          • Bob Gunter

            I don’t have a narrative. It is you who wanted to spew forth nonsense about white knife crime offenders outnumbering black. You produced no evidence and me asking for evidence somehow makes me a bigot. How?

            So when you ask me about producing evidence, evidence to back up what? I have made no assertions unlike you. The simple truth is you are talking rubbish, but you believe what you are saying has merit because you believe yourself to be good and those who do not agree with you must by extension be bad.

            As for your discounting the BNP, yes, many people did and still do. So when West Yorkshire police tried twice to prosecute them for speaking in a pub about our kids being raped by Pakistani and Bangladeshi Muslim rape gangs. It would have been someone just like you who said rubbish, but even all you common purpose muppets can’t contain the truth.

            I say without fear of contradiction from you with any evidence. In England per capita more blacks carry and use knives than whites. It would be easy for social harmony if I am talking complete bolloxx for the police to release incident details showing incidents of armed robbery,stabbings, threats et al. with the IC short code they use on their systems. They don’t, which speaks louder than any of your dribble.

          • Shorne

            Yes your narrative (that you deny) is very clear in this comment. You ignore what I said about 30 years of face-to-face experience of this issue. But lets go back to basics, stop and search is the main way that those who carry knives, and hence are likely to use them, are discovered (and yes other offences). Here’s some figures, as ever with the MOJ they are a bit old, 2009-10.
            Stop and searches; White 67.2% – Black 14.6%
            Arrests; White 79.6% – Black 8%
            Prison population (including Foreign Nationals); White 72% – Black 13.7%
            This reflects what I saw with my own eyes, received Home Office Bulletins about, went to lectures about etc. Against that all you have is your prejudices. As for tired old assertions about Common Purpose etc. they are exactly that, tired.

          • Bob Gunter

            Unlike you I will publish facts:

            Paper 1: http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171776_290558.pdf (Ethnicity and National Identity in England and Wales 2011)
            White 86%
            Asian 7.5%
            Black 3.3%
            Mixed 2.2%
            Other 1%

            Paper 2: https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/statistics-on-race-and-the-criminal-justice-system-2012 (Table 4.16: Offenders sentenced for indictable offences by ethnicity and the number of previous convictions/cautions in England and Wales, 2012) Looking at all offenders

            White 246,886 of 302,940 or 81%
            Black 32,372 of 302,940 or 11%

            So for every 1% of the White population we could expect 2871 indictable crimes for every 1% of the Black population we can expect 9810 crimes. Does that sink in? Do you dig that man? Is it racist to point out data man? Are facts hard to chew because you had the presentations with your eyelids held open and the white noise playing in the background. I have no doubt those figure are cleansed. I have no doubt we don’t get to see the true numbers regarding street robberies in London about who does the robbing and who is getting robbed. Just as we never got to see the pictures and hear the stories about people being stripped naked during the riots in London. The people doing the stripping were ______ and the people being stripped were ______! I don’t give a fig for your 30years of servitude to your cultural Marxist masters. The truth will set you free.

          • Shorne

            So your figures show the majority of the population are white as are the majority of offenders and somehow this disproves what I have been saying(?) By the way Indictable offences means those that go before a Jury as opposed to Summary Only and Triable Either Way just so you know. Loved the use of beatnik phrases by the way, a bit before my time but still nice to see. Was the reference to white noise meant to imply brainwashing? Well my lectures were usually in comfy chairs with nothing more technical that a flip chart, sometimes something to keep my eyes open would have been useful though. Of course you have to discount my 30 years of service, can’t have somebody with actual experience proving you wrong can we. And look there’s our old friend ‘Cultural Marxism’ rightly defined as being ‘most commonly encountered as a snarl word decrying everything right-wingers don’t like, alluding to a conspiracy theory involving sinister left-wingers.’ (First appeared in Nazi Germany, where Kulturbolschewismus [“Cultural Bolshevism”] was used as a term of political abuse.)
            Mind you if you’re right, and of course you can’t be wrong it was damn clever of those Lefties for part of my career in the public sector my ultimate ‘master’ was Thatcher, no who would have thought she was a Marxist mole?
            Your claim that the truth is somehow being hidden is interesting,
            classic sign of a Paranoid Personality Disorder.

          • Bob Gunter

            My sincere apologies, I thought you could read and understand numbers not just flattering poll results.

            Indictable means an offense that can tried on an indictment, not that it has. Thus indictable crimes are by their very nature more serious than those which are not indictable. I never said, nor did the data say that these sentences were handed down following a crown court trial by jury. I am flabbergasted you can’t understand that point. There were 302,940 sentences handed down for indictable crimes (let me repeat not necessarily disposed of in crown court), even though Blacks make up 3.3% of the population, they make up 11% of those sentenced. Which means for every 1% of the black population there were 9810 blacks being sentenced where as for the same percentage of whites in the population there were only 2871 whites being sentenced.

            I will try my best to help you, but you must try focusing on facts not rhetoric. The truth will set you free.

        • MrJones

          Given the difference in total numbers that is hardly surprising.

          • Shorne

            Yes that’s the whole point, people who live in so-called multicultural areas think that what happens around them reflects the national picture.

          • red2black

            For example: “Black African and African Caribbean individuals frequently represented in the murder victim and offender profile disproportionate to their representation in the overall youth population.”
            Citizen Report on teenage murders in London.

  • davidofkent

    The Left has been at it for decades. Amnesty Intl spent years challenging governments for being nasty to criminals. But only the governments who don’t grab you in the middle of the night and help you disappear for good. In other words, they and the rest of the Left only ever challenge nice liberal fair-minded western governments. They never bother with the really appalling governments and certainly never dream of challenging some of those wicked gangsters who regularly chop up their opponents. Then the Left finds it difficult to understand why sensible, decent people think that the left is largely a bunch of dimwitted hypocrites.

  • Richard

    This sort of thing is as common as breathing in and out in Africa, from whence most of the people involved in it originate. If you import people, you import their problems, too. As my grandmother used to say, if you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas. It’s a shame that Brits on the whole are too thick to preserve their own country. Thick, but it also shows another character trait, that people will sell out for an extra bob a week in Labour’s sweeties.

    • JamesCovey123

      “It’s a shame that Brits on the whole are too thick to preserve their own country.”

      The people who are doing this to us are not thick.

      They are profiting very well – politically, financially, career-wise etc – by causing problems via immigration.

      Immigrants, productive or not, are a boon to Government.

      If they are productive, the Government gets more tax dollars.

      If they cause problems, the Government justifies more tax dollars – to deal with the problems.

  • evad666
    • davidshort10

      Absolutely no comparison to Johannesburg, one of the most dangerous cities in the world. Very few streets there where you can walk safely.

      • post_x_it

        Yes, this sort of hyperbole is most unhelpful.
        I recently had an exchange with someone below an article about dangerous travel destinations. I said something about various African countries and the risks of sudden outbreaks of civil war, kidnappings, violent robberies etc. This fool retorted that the UK is no different, now that we’ve imported all these problems onto our streets.
        I suggested he try and live in Mogadishu or Luanda for a year and then report back. Response came there none.
        This is not to say we shouldn’t be concerned about what’s going on closer to home, but without perspective there can be no rational debate.

  • Disqus249b03

    Mary Wakefield – are you a member of the NUJ?

    If so, should you not warn your readers that your union compels you to conceal the fact that the vast majority of knife and other violent crime in London is committed by Negroids?

  • 1664averygoodyear

    Real classy to sneer at Henry Hicks and demonise him as a thug. God you make me sick. How does the Spectstor employ you to write this bilge?

    I wonder if the author would dare to call a dead black kid a thug? Or is it only okay if they’re white?

    And what the hell are you on about, the media flies into sodding convulsions when a black kid dies. Look at how Doreen Lawrence is treated – hasn’t she been sainted by now?

    As another poster said, white working class people have been dealing with black criminality in London for years. That’s why half a million left in the first decade of the 21st century. How quaint that you’re only just waking up. What you gonna write about next week? Something about how you suspect mosques may be breeding grounds for radicalism? Or that you think 2+2 just may equal 4?

    • Johnnydub

      Take a look at the media profile of the murder of Kriss Donald or the disappearance of Charlene Downes…

      Its almost as if the focus on Stephen Lawrence was an attempt to get the while community shamed into silence when it feels uncomfortable about mass immigration as that puts you in the same camp as the Eltham murderers…

      • 1664averygoodyear

        I’m aware of both cases and completely agree. And on top of that you’ve got all the ones like Christina Edkins and Palmira Silva that we’re told are ‘nothing to do with race’…

  • Grace Ironwood

    It is only the elites who populate the politics, media and these residential areas who can get things to happen with “community outcries” and who can do much about our
    predicament. Fabulous to hear they may be waking up.

    Mary, do it for the people who have been living like this for decades. Black and white.

    I’m sorry to hear that policemen are walking around by themselves in this neighbourhood.

  • AverageGuyInTheStreet

    Let’s see things from the other point of view:

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/28/white-people-smug-leaving-london

    “But what these Why I am Leaving London articles are missing is that, while the psychic burden of living in the city with the highest living costs in the developed world is very real for a brown person, in my experience the cost of living surrounded only by white people is worse.”

    The Guardian is doing us all a great service by showing us into the minds of these people. While it would be wrong to extrapolate that they all think like this, in my experience a large number seem to. There seems to be something missing, perhaps the ability to empathise, or to see themselves as others see them? I can’t quite put my finger on it, its something child-like. There seem to be many BMEs who decry immigration (esp from E Europe – think Abbott and her comment about nurses), yet cannot see how that looks to the English who were up in arms about immigration in the 1950s and 60s. Oh, they were just racist. At least the comment sections in these CiF articles seem to come down 90% against the writers -are the left wing worms finally turning?
    Here’s another recent one, more breathtaking, jaw-dropping attitude on display:
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/24/david-cameron-radicalisation-speech-muslim-woman

    Again the comments give cause for hope, at least.

  • David Booth.

    “….the familiar fat and anxious young officer standing….”

    Do the police have a special squad of short fat police officers who are designated to stand alongside the scene of crimes? They are there on every news bulletin.
    As for the increase in the stabbings of young lads by their peer group, perhaps we should ask Boy Clegg
    (anyone seen him recently?) if he still thinks it was a good idea to ease up on stop and search laws?

  • Lorenzo

    How is it possible to stab someone with a machete? Hack, yes, chop, perhaps, but I don’t see stabbing unless your machetes are different from ours in the USA.

    • red2black

      British Army Issue machetes are far shorter.

      • Lorenzo

        That probably explains it. I’m interested in how English differs from region to region.

  • Bluesman_1

    It’s very simple:

    Lefties. Are. Arseholes.

    The racism they claim to decry while practicing it is merely a bonus.

    • red2black

      There are different forms of racism apparent across the political board.

  • SackTheJuggler

    The trouble with the ‘two strikes and out’ approach to this is that faced with a situation where they may potentially be attacked with a knife, many young people will carry one themselves simply because they don’t want to be defenceless. A bit like the guy in ‘Unforgiven’ who is asked why he carries three guns when he only has one arm – “I don’t want to get killed for lack of shooting back.”

  • colchar

    Welcome to the Britain that Labour created.

    • AverageGuyInTheStreet

      The Tories and their friends in big business have never encouraged mass immigration of course.

      • Richard

        Take a look at migration figures into the UK after Blair took power, and see what you make of them.

        • red2black

          Cheap workers for a new type of service based economy; the groundwork having been laid by President Reagan and Prime Minister Thatcher, or a chance to rub the Conservatives’ noses in diversity. Or both?

  • Roger Hudson

    A lot of Islington ‘estates’ have a lot of homeowners (at least leaseholders), you seem to be thinking of American ‘projects’, the whole article oozes class warfare (middle class type)..

  • lucas

    Have to say, I thought the comments at the Spectator would be a bit better than this. It’s like the Telegraph over here (although at least, I suppose, the term ‘negroid’ was spelled correctly here). I wonder if the Spectator’s staff are proud of their readership?

    • AverageGuyInTheStreet

      “Negroid (also known as Congoid) is a term that is used by forensic and physical anthropologists to refer to individuals and populations that share certain morphological and skeletal traits that are frequent among most populations in Sub-Saharan Africa.”

      One of PC’s main weapons is the demonising of perfectly normal words. One of the laudable characteristics of the Spectator’s readership is they don’t seem to be under the PC spell the the extent to which you seem to be.

      • Clive

        At least you didn’t say ‘swarm’ – a very naughty word.

        I suppose because of apicide

        • Alexsandr

          it swarm today

      • red2black

        Perhaps the demonising of certain words is more a result of the demonising of the people they describe.

        • Alexsandr

          when will people learn. its not the words that are bad, its the context. Negro should be prefectly acceptable term for describing an african person. But when put in an offensive context thats different.

          • red2black

            We’re all inclined to demonise our enemies.

  • Muttley

    When you see the levels of violence in the African cultures from which we are now drawing immigrants, it can hardly come as a surprise that they don’t magically turn into productive law-abiding citizens when they get here.

  • WFB56

    It appears that it was a police constable who uttered the comment, “Not to worry, just a gang killing”. How does this statement miraculously transform into a valid expression of the views of the metropolitan middle classes?

  • global city

    ‘broadcaster’ Christina Patterson said on that awful godly Sunday BBC show that people in the UK are the luckiest and this is undeserved and unearned…thus exposing the absolute ignorance typical of that sort of well heeled, well catered for commentariat type who have no clue of the complex web and history that has built the wealth from which they benefit.

  • strobes

    When I read the article I didn’t understand how you could “stab” someone with a machete. I thought “hack” was more likely but decided to educate myself on the subject. The array of machetes, swords spears freely available is quite terrifying.

    One site displays a vast selection of machetes, swords, spears and polearms and proudly proclaims that these weapons “will cut, chop, slash, hack, split, scrape, scoop, hammer, dig, crush, carve, whittle, crack or smash just about anything you can put in front of it” They are “so cheap and useful that even the poorest peasant in South America or tribesman in Africa invariably owns one and counts on it as one of his most precious possessions” No mention of Islington?

    Oh! It does say that you have to be over 18 to cut, chop, slash, hack, etc. so that’s OK then?

    http://www.coldsteel-uk.com/store/Machetes.html

    • Malcolm Stevas

      I trust you’re not so naive as think demonising & banning inanimate objects might achieve greatly desirable social ends – ? It never works: alcohol (US prohibition), alcohol & tobacco (taxed in UK until the pips squeak), guns (increasingly restricted in UK since 1920, with zero evidence of social benefit), drugs (the enormous “war on drugs” in the US that has failed utterly to stem the flow), knives (UK ban on carrying them, which this article alone demonstrates to have failed)….
      But thanks for the link – must visit it soon, buy another knife or two – or perhaps a machete.

    • JabbaTheCat

      Good quality and well priced stuff from Cold Steel, unlikely to critically fail whilst you’re attacking someone with one of their products, alternatively you could just go to your local hardware store and see what’s on offer there…

  • TheCitizenAct

    I’ve said it once, I’ve said it twice, I’ve said it a million times – you are all focusing on the symptoms, rather than the disease.

    I mean, you skirt around the issue but you fail to nail it. It’s identity politics underpinned by moral relativism. There is no absolute morality any more, the left has seen to that. You don’t argue on that point though – you just argue symptoms.

    Harriet Harman declares it would be ‘rude’ to interfere with a Labour Party even segregated along gender lines to appeal to Muslim voters. DON’T argue on Islam and the double standard, argue the thought process.

    The Independent writes ‘white men should never hold elected position in British Universities again.’ Again, don’t argue racism, argue the thought process which justifies the racism. Notably, that ‘racism is a social construct and as white people hold all the power it’s impossible to be racist towards a white person.’

    Goldsmith University argues ‘white men should be banned from attending diversity events.’ Again, don’t argue racism, argue the thought process which justifies the racism. Notably, that ‘racism is a social construct and as white people hold all the power it’s impossible to be racist towards a white person.’

    The BBC argues it’s archaic and sexist to allow a male-only golf club. Yet, refuses to acknowledge the thousands of women-only networking groups, gyms, taxi firms, business conferences, political party conferences, workplace awards, etc. Don’t just argue the double standard, argue the thought process which justifies the double standard: ‘women-only groups are empowering because femininity is a safe, pre-conceived identity.’

    Multiculturalism stipulates that minority groups congregating together, socialising within, refusing to adopt the native tongue, marrying within, etc. are simply a testament to our ‘diverse’ and ‘tolerant’ populace. They want to live alongside people who are ‘like them’, who they share a cultural affinity to. Yet, when a white resident makes the same argument, it’s ‘racism.’

    I could go on all day. However, the recurring theme across gender feminism, multiculturalism and every single argument made by the progressive movement, is identity politics underpinned by moral relativism.

    Morality is not applied consistently – it’s applied based on the identity of the perpetrator or victim. THIS is the argument, THIS is the disease. It’s not about an isolated issue any more, it’s about movements like ‘whiteness studies’, ‘white privilege’ (basically, the reversal of an age-old prejudice), male privilege’ and exploitative narratives which only every apply in one context, and not universally.

    If the right wants to win on culture, then THIS is its argument and it needs to highlight it. There needs to be an absolute morality in society, or a morality which veers more towards the absolute than it does the relative.

    THIS – moral relativism – is what is deconstructing our society. It’s targeted. It’s usurpation of western values for the purposes of installing a new paradigm. It’s behind every single issue we see in modern society and THIS is the debate we need to be having in public, in full view.

    Ironically, the vast majority of society haven’t even heard of moral relativism (hence why it works – the best way to enforce it is through exploiting negative social narratives and shaming people into conforming with politically correct group think), or even identity politics, and while they know something is wrong they don’t even come close to putting their finger on it.

  • Patrick G Cox

    But, but, but … it’s cultural. Isn’t it?

  • Ordinary Man

    It’s just a gang-banger. Who cares.

    • MrJones

      Ignored gang culture -> psychopath breeding program

      so you will care when it reaches you – but it will be too late then

      • red2black

        It may be that certain types of gang culture are tolerated because they restrict their activities to their own particular kind and don’t threaten the interests of people outside their own circles.

  • Barzini

    If you want to see just how much capacity the liberal mindset has for self delusion, faux outrage and double-think when it comes to this subject get yourself on a plane to New York….

    Much of the city was literally turning into a third world shit hole, much of Central Park and the lower east side was completely off bounds.

    Now thanks to effective policing, Manhattan is about as safe as any other city in the civilized world.

    However, it’s only too easy to find social justice warrior types blogging on their laptops and over their lattes in their favorite east village coffee shops about the evils of stop-and-search policing.

    I think there’s a general belief amongst Spectator reading types that the penny will eventually drop, that once a certain threshold of debauchery is reached even the Guardian will come round and face reality.

    This simply isn’t true, this tipping point will never be reached. The power of the pathological altruism gene is too strong, the desire to not be associated with middle aged white conservatives (oh the horror) is too strong.

    In brief, and pardon my French, we are completely fucked…..

    • Sten vs Bren

      Yes, you sound it.

      • Barzini

        This is a common type of reply for those that lie to themselves on a regular basis and thus live in a web of delusion…..

        The following rules are typically adhered to by such people when trolling:

        Make sure the reply is as short and devoid of content as possible, but high on emotion.

        Most importantly of all, do not engage in any kind of debate or allow yourself to be drawn into a discussion where statistics or rational arguments can be presented.

        Keep everything as light, abusive and emotional as possible and remember that the truth is relative, reality is not important, what’s important is how you feel and that you are able to express your faux outrage and thus claim victim status….

    • MrJones

      “The power of the pathological altruism gene is too strong”

      when combined with the media lying through their teeth about the problem for 40 years.

      • red2black

        The pathological altruism gene?

  • Mr.Johnson Brown

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  • myieo

    Deaths caused by stabbing are part of a much bigger picture. It would be very hard for families to gather community support, to rally for what? They are part of the community that have no voice. What can they do about their children getting involved in knife crime. Its not as clear cut as police chasing someone in unmarked vehicles.
    I think it will take a lot more thought than stop and search policies to sort out the root problems of knife crime. So short sighted.
    Did you ask Stefan’s mother what she thought? Or you again taking away the voice of ppl with the experience and talking over them?
    AND what is with calling the police officer fat?! You are implying fat = lazy and disinterested. Another form of discrimination.
    I would be really interested to know where you got the info that Henry Hicks was thuggish too. What do you mean by this? They are many sides to ones personality. Are you saying if someone is perceived as thuggish they deserve to die in a road accident instigated by police? Or that the community should accept that the case has been handled poorly?
    Its not fun to blame the police, it’s just more clear cut. But you are right, the middle classes should be more up in arms about poverty that leads to gang culture and knife crimes. The government’s should be tackled on these problems. What is a stop and search going to do? You are asking to relieve the symptoms rather than the cause.

    • Torybushhug

      How can the Govt ‘tackle’ the myriad of cultural issues that beset vast numbers of people? Totally unrealistic idealism. Just one of those issues is the fact many black ‘Fathers’ spend a lifetime chasing skirt, clubbing well into middle age, fathering many children. Totally unrealistic to expect the state to be able to intervene an the omnipresent scale required to enable change, and so yes it thus must be for the citizen to either abide by rules or face consequences.
      Trust a misty eyed ineffective lefty to try and lay the blame on society / the Government and paint the wrong doers as victims.

  • Jake

    The comments on Henry Hicks are disgusting. Knew it wouldn’t be long before the race card was used. Theres more attention on his case because the police caused it, the time before that when police were involved in a killing was Mark Duggan, not much attention on that then no? Idiot!

  • Never relax around blacks.

  • CopernicusRising

    “So where’s the outcry over all the boys hacked to death? I suppose it’s just not as fun when you can’t blame the police. The perps and the victims of most gang-related knife crime in my area are black — so there’s no fashionable outrage to enjoy, just the murky sense of an unknown and disturbing world.”

    This is a very dishonest argument and unfair caricature of those of us who do now share Wakefield’s worldview. The police are an arm of the state that has state funding and is acting on behalf of society (in principle at least). If the police are involved in an unlawful killing or other illegal behavior it is much more of a cause for outrage than if it is just an average civilian. The police are expected to uphold the law, not violate it. If they do they are breaking the public’s trust in a very reprehensible manner. This just isn’t true if the average citizen breaks the law. “just not as fun when you can’t blame the police” – that’s just rhetorical nonsense masquerading as an argument. It is just a caricature of an imaginary left-winger that is conjured up to then be ridiculed. Who’s to say that “the liberal metropolitan elite” (or whatever other slur she wants to come up with) only care about violence when it is the police who are the perpetrators, and couldn’t care less when it is black on black.

  • ButcombeMan

    And those same liberal residents with their cornices no doubted supported Nick Clegg and the LibDems in their campaigning to legalise drugs use. No matter that drugs is a prime factor in gang violence, no matter that drugs bends the minds of the feral youth that use them.

    There is a penalty to pay for LibDem and Guardinista woolly mindedness.

  • Arthur

    So, you’ve noticed what goes on in your neck of the woods have you Mary Wakefield. Well raise your eyes a little higher. Knifing, shooting, burning and all manner of murdering are occurring everyday and aren’t confined only to concrete. Is the UK becoming more lawless I don’t know. But whenever apprehended there seems to be little in the way of guilt or remorse from the killers.

  • Brian J.

    Back in the real world, ONS statistics recorded just 537 homicides in England and Wales in 2013-14, the lowest total for a full year since 1978.

    This crime wave simply doesn’t exist outside of your mind.

    • MrJones

      paramedics

  • RandsWrath

    There is a reassuring outburst of race-realism going on at the moment – there are comments below that people would not have dared commit to pixel just two years ago, for fear of a co-ordinated assault by resident James O’Brien types.

    It’s almost as is the trendy metropolitan left are finally shutting the FU, as they quietly open up Rightmove in their browser to plan that move that is absolutely nothing-to-do-with-white-flight-honest.

    In short, they have finally had their own noses rubbed in it. Enjoy, you duplicitous bastards.

  • Alex Bourne

    When it has been made impossible to be a part of something constructive that will benefit the nation like join the Army or get a job that is suitable for you, because interfering individuals from a certain background tell you it’s wrong, you’re being cheated by some kind of conspiracy and you’re not going anywhere, we should not be surprised when children go feral.

    When poor children in estates have parents who let them do what they want, they end up killing each other at worst or just adding to the crime stats at best with few exceptions. When children form a reasonably well off background have parents who let them do what they want they become morose and arrogant depressives who are artificially supported through whatever trouble they commit.

    The point being, our society is suffering through a lack of discipline pride and respect for oneself and others. We have become too casual with our relationships and as a result feel constantly affronted. I think this accounts for a lot of peoples general anger and lack of satisfaction. I’ll never be more grateful than for the 6 years I spent in the Army and being taught the meaning of respect for oneself, others and the nation. Time for our elders and betters to start leading again.

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