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The transatlantic flirtation behind Ukip’s sudden meltdown

27 June 2015

9:00 AM

27 June 2015

9:00 AM

What’s happened to poor Ukip? Not so long ago, they seemed unstoppable. They were revolting on the right, terrifying the left and shaking up Westminster. The established parties tried sneering at them, smearing them, even copying them. Nothing worked. Then came the general election, the centre held, and Ukip seemed to fall apart. Farage failed to win his target seat in South Thanet, the focus of his whole campaign. He resigned, then farcically unresigned, three days later.

The ‘Ukip wars’ followed: after an unseemly row over ‘Short money’ — the funding provided by the state for opposition parties in Parliament — Ukip started attacking itself through the media. Further leading figures have resigned and unresigned, or been sacked and unsacked.

Here’s the strange thing, though: the election was not a disaster for Ukip. It was a triumph. They won 3.9 million votes — 3 million more than in 2010, and 1.5 million more than the Liberal Democrats. If that rate of growth, or anything like it, were to continue, by 2020 Nigel Farage could well be prime minister. So why has the party sabotaged itself?

To begin to understand, it helps to cross the Atlantic and meet Stephen Bannon, executive chairman of a mysteriously rich right-wing website called Breitbart. Bannon is a tough cookie: a former ‘surface warfare’ officer in the US Navy and Goldman Sachs banker who in the 2000s turned his talents towards documentary-making and the crazy, querulous and lucrative world of the American radical right. In the early 2010s, as Ukip ascended, he saw a brilliant business opportunity.

The company Bannon runs is one of a large number of media organisations that exploit what Richard Hofstadter called the ‘paranoid style’ in US politics. Breitbart specialises in stoking up Middle American rage at big government and the liberal elite. Its founder, Andrew Breitbart, was a charismatic muckraker who worked with Matt Drudge, author of the Drudge Report and probably the most influential right-winger of the internet age. Breitbart’s site was generating huge amounts of online traffic when suddenly, at the age of 43, he dropped dead. (The coroner said heart failure; some of Breitbart’s keenest admirers say that he was poisoned by Barack Obama’s secret agents, which says something about them.) People expected Breitbart’s website to die with him but, under Bannon’s stewardship, it just got bigger. It is today a profitable company — though its press office refuses to say where the profit comes from.

The rise of Breitbart on the new media scene chimed nicely with the rise of the Tea Party, the amorphous movement within American conservatism that rose to prominence after the election of Barack Obama and the financial crash. Breitbart became essential reading for embittered American right-wingers, of whom there is no shortage.

Steve Bannon already knew Matthew Richardson, Ukip’s general secretary, and he saw in Ukip a British Tea Party. He approached James Delingpole, the Spectator columnist and Ukip sympathiser, and a young man called Raheem Kassam. Kassam, from Uxbridge, had been kicking around the British online right for a few years. He had studied at the University of Westminster, alma mater of Jihadi John, and — perhaps in reaction to some of his fellow students — had become stridently pro-American. He created a website called Student Rights, for ‘tackling extremism on campuses’, and then a couple more sites that huffed about Islamism and the evils of liberalism.

Bannon was an admirer of Delingpole’s writing and saw in young Raheem an ideal apprentice. He took them out for lunch towards the end of 2013, and put them in charge of his Breitbart Londonproject. The company rented a swish office in Westminster, which included a handsome flat for Kassam to stay in. On 16 February last year, the site launched. ‘There is a growing global anti-establishment revolt against the permanent political class at home, and the global elites that influence them,’ said Bannon in a press release. ‘Today’s media establishment and conservative movement in the UK have become obsolescent and fundamentally uninspiring,’ added Kassam.

A spokesman for Breitbart insisted that the London office was not established to support any political party. Nevertheless, it didn’t take long for Breitbart London to become a Ukip cheerleader. Kassam, as managing editor, was a particularly eager apologist. When, for instance, the Daily Mirror published photographs of the Ukip leader walking with a blonde woman to a hotel at 3 a.m., Kassam leapt to Farage’s defence: ‘Implications surrounding sexual impropriety are wholly reprehensible,’ he wrote in a blogpost.

Breitbart staff were alarmed at the lack of editorial independence. ‘We effectively became the Ukip comms office,’ says one employee. ‘Any criticism of the sainted Farage was completely banned,’ says another. It’s understood that Delingpole and Kassam fell out over the site’s pro-Ukip line.

At some point (it’s not exactly clear when), Kassam started working directly for Farage. In Farage’s recent memoir, The Purple Revolution, he writes that after the Newark by-election in June, he ‘tasked Raheem with planning a US trip to help meet campaign experts who worked for both the Democrats and the Republicans’. In September, Farage, Kassam and Matthew Richardson went on a four-day trip to America. By October, Farage had officially hired Kassam as his senior adviser.

British politicians are easily seduced by American money and power, and it seems Farage, for all his anti-elitism, was no exception. In The Purple Revolution, he positively gushes about his four days in September in the land of the free. He describes a friendly meeting with Rupert Murdoch (‘We are both outsiders who despise the establishment’), an equally amicable encounter with presidential hopeful Rand Paul (‘my political doppelgänger’) and a dinner, hosted by Breitbart in their Washington office overlooking Capitol Hill, in which he sat next to Senator Jeff Sessions of Alabama, a Tea Party darling, and the popular talk-radio host Laura Ingraham.

It must have felt like the beginnings of a special relationship. By learning from American experts, Farage believed he could turn Ukip into a more professional outfit. Kassam and Richardson put him in touch with strategists and activists who specialised in ‘micro-campaigning’ and social media. At the same time, Breitbart and the Tea Party’s leadership saw in Farage a man with whom they could do business — a conservative quite unlike David Cameron, who had spent so long toadying up to Obama. Moreover, the Americans wanted to learn from Ukip how a new party could rattle the established order — since the Tea Party, for all its noise, had never broken out on its own, or caused any meaningful shift in the Grand Old Party.

Back home, Ukip staff quickly got fed up with what they called the ‘Tea Party tendency’ and Farage’s ‘mad love affair’ with the American right. In February, Farage annoyed his followers by missing the first day of Ukip’s spring conference in Margate because he was giving a speech to a half-empty room at the Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington. ‘The party was seething and baffled,’ says one insider. ‘It was a major moment for Ukip and the leader wasn’t there.’

There were also growing concerns about a change in Ukip’s ‘messaging’. Farage is said to have developed a ‘shock and awe’ strategy, which involved making deliberately outrageous statements to arouse the ire of the despised political and media class. For instance, in a television debate, Farage suggested that the NHS should not treat foreigners with Aids. That prompted fury from politically correct commentators, as expected, but it also disturbed quite a few natural conservatives. ‘Shock and awful,’ said a senior Ukip source.

In an interview with Trevor Phillips, Farage also referred to a ‘fifth column’ of Muslims in this country — which led to rumours that, rather than running an election campaign, he was aiming for a well-paid gig on Fox News.

Others were embarrassed by the pettiness of the squabbles which the party found itself fighting. For instance, after the Sunday Times journalist Camilla Long joked on Have I Got News for You that she had spent more time in South Thanet than Farage, Ukip complained to Kent police. Kassam, by this point running Farage’s personal campaign in Thanet, claimed she had ‘made false statements about a candidate at this election’ and accused the BBC of contravening the 1918 Representation of the People Act. The complaint was duly ignored. ‘Anybody with the slightest idea of Ukip’s relationship with the press would have seen it was ludicrous,’ says a party insider, ‘but decisions in Thanet were being made in a vacuum.’

Farage also became much more aggressive on social media, adopting a style out of keeping with his amiable and old-fashioned public persona. The Ukip leader is a techno-phobe. He doesn’t have an email account and despises ‘those handheld machines that waitresses pass you in restaurants to pay the bill’. In Kassam’s first week at Ukip, however, @Nigel_Farage got into a Twitter row with the comedian Frankie Boyle. Douglas Carswell, Ukip’s first MP, wanted the party’s election focus to be ‘hyperlocal’ — talking to people face to face about the difficulties in their lives — yet Farage was making national headlines by picking fights with celebrities.

Ukip seemed to be waging an American-style culture war — but the British didn’t appear to be interested. From October to election day, the party’s standing in the polls fell from 18 to 13 per cent. The dip can’t all be pinned on Ukip’s drift towards Tea Party politics, but a number of Kippers feel that Farage’s infatuation with America distracted him from his mission at a crucial moment, and unbalanced the delicate ecosystem that had allowed the party to flourish.

Which might explain why, after the election, Ukip’s leadership turned on itself so viciously. Suzanne Evans, the deputy chairman, was sacked after she used the word ‘divisive’ about Farage. Patrick O’Flynn, economics spokesman and leader of the ‘red Ukip’ faction, called him ‘snarling, thin-skinned and aggressive’ and resigned soon after. Douglas Carswell, now the party’s only MP, is isolated. The party seems to have lost its sense of direction.

Ukip has for years been an odd mix of disempowered aristocrats, Tories in exile, and disaffected former Labour voters. Aside from a shared loathing of the metropolitan elite, few of its supporters have much in common with freedom-lovers such Andrew Breitbart and Stephen Bannon. The beer-fuelled party of Farage is different from the American Tea Party, which is in any case an incoherent and elusive movement. The British have their own paranoid style.

Raheem Kassam has now gone back to his old job at Breitbart. Nigel Farage has pledged to lead Ukip until 2035. But his political star is fading and his party is a mess. He can take comfort from the fact he has just been hired as a columnist for Breitbart London.

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  • Vinnie

    I know, you know….let’s go
    Jump to the beat, jump to the tempo!

    Brap brap

    • ArchiePonsonby

      Huh?

  • Chamber Pot

    Another UKIP demolition piece by the usual suspects. There is no UKIP meltdown, only wishful thinking by Conservative Central Office under whose direction
    these two hacks are operating as part of a calculated and well organised campaign to soften us up ready for another surrender or ‘ Munich moment ‘ by Dave on Europe.

    • Scaroth

      So is it “wishful thinking by Conservative Central Office” that three senior members of Ukip are so clearly at loggerheads with their leader? That one of them, Suzanne Evans, having referred to Mr Farage as “divisive” – which, let’s face it, he is – is promptly sacked, and then reinstated? Dream on.

      Frankly, for the next 18 months, Ukip are an irrelevance. Far more important is to persuade those who have yet to make up their minds that it is in the national interest for Britain to leave the European Union and accordingly to vote “Out” in the In/Out referendum. This is a sizeable task, and one that Ukip, with their proven record for finding nutters happy to proclaim on camera that they do not like black people, or that earthquakes are God’s retribution for gay marriage, are wholly inimical to. This is not to detract from their ability to contribute to the debate – Farage, Evans and Steven Woolfe inter alia have a lot to offer on that front – but they are in a playing field that likewise includes Owen Patterson, Kate Hoey, Dan Hannan, and doubtless luminaries from the business world, showbusiness, maybe the odd celebrity chef.

      We have Ukip to thank for getting the referendum on the table. Right now it is that referendum that we must take seriously. I sincerely hope that the Spectator will see sense in that debate, as it did almost uniquely in 1975 (pace the Morning Star), and make a compelling case for Out.

      • Chamber Pot

        Apart from your post being overly long and windy you miss the central point which is that the legacy parties cannot be trusted on Europe and that the British people will be sold a pup by Dave and that in the run up to the referendum the media and the entire apparatus of state will be mobilised to get the right result and it will get very dirty

        My point in case you had missed it is that UKIP get microscopic attention from our tame press whereas the litany of lies and back stabbing and criminality engaged in by LibConLab deserves far greater attention. Picking on one nutter’s utterances is selective and ridiculous it’s like saying that Grenville Janner’s pecadilloes are Labour Party policy.

        The idea that UKIP need today to be taken out of the referendum debate or take a back seat because they are divisive and will put the undecided off is fanciful Tory propaganda. It is essential that UKIP is involved and saying the unsayable to ensure the Referendum is not knobbled by our betters to secure continued membership.

        So go back to Conservative Central Office and have a closer look at the dirty laundry piled high there.

        • Scaroth

          How funny that you think I speak on behalf of the Conservatives, a party I last voted for in 2005. But you’re rather making my point.

          You are agitating for Ukip, a party that was just last month rejected by 87.4% of the electorate.

          I am in favour of leaving the EU, and garnering a minimum of 50% support from the electorate to that end, something that Ukip is, on the basis of the evidence, unable to achieve. Bear in mind that even if the vote is “Out”, the battle will only just have begun. Rememember how the Irish voted in 2008 over the Lisbon Treaty? Then what happened?

          It is not me you should be picking a fight with; it is the multinationals who want to keep the British parliament in Westminster subordinate to the European Commission in Brussels, to which the majority of the political parties are in hock (on which point I would tend to agree with you).

          • Chamber Pot

            I think topcat666 made the point about fake eurosceptics well enough. The Tory Party having won the referendum and lost Scotland will now win the referendum for Europe and lose England. Nobody knows what the Tories stand for anyway except that they are not Labour.

          • milford

            Nobody knows what Labour stands for either. In fact UKIP can claim it’s the only party that doesn’t keep it’s agenda secret.

          • mohdanga

            And the Conservatives were rejected by 65% of the electorate so that makes them more legitimate?

          • Scaroth

            Than Ukip? Yes. It was actually 63%

            btw I didn’t vote for them: I am merely pointing out that we have a bigger fish to fry now than party politics. It is called the EU and if you indulge in interparty squabbles in the run-up to the referendum, you are dancing to its tune, not yours.

          • Wessex Man

            you not very clever person you! UKIp came third in the National General Election, yet on four million votes got just one MP, the same applies to the Green Party.

            The SNP manage in the same election to get 56 MPs elected with just one million four hundred thousand votes.

            Our system is open to corruption and division and boy isn’t the Uk going to see some division now with our friends from the North determined to make life hard for Cameron!

            BTW, I’m not picking a fight with you, just pondering why someone so disinterested in politics as you is bothering to comment!

          • Pacificweather

            I am pleased to learn you are not agitating for a party that was rejected by 63.1% of the electorate. Hopefully you are not looking for a minimum of 50% of the vote being out or we will have an Irish style rerun. 50% plus one vote is more certain. However, as the British always vote for the status quo in referendums the voting is more likely to be close to the Scottish independence referendum result.

    • UKSteve

      There should be. UKIP’s general election performance was absolutely abysmal. Get rid of Farage and his clueless claque.

    • Otto von Bismarck

      Actually, as a Ukipper I think this piece got it about right. I did notice a change in UKIP’s messaging in the run up to the election, and to describe it as ‘shock and awful’ is about right. All it did was toxify the UKIP brand in order to shore up a narrow base, at the expense of expanding support outward.

      Simply put, I want the old Farage back. The Tea Party is an awful fit for British politics-sure, there might be experienced political operators we could utilise to further professionalise the party, but simply transposing the Tea Party message and style wholesale into the UK was never going to work.

      • Rallan

        The article is clearly biased against UKIP in it’s conclusions, but contains a lot of truth overall. I agree that there was an uncomfortable shift in style and it cost us.

        Fortunately there is still everything to play for and we’ve got the EU referendum, Greek Crisis, Immigration Crisis and TTIP to work with. Hopefully we’ll get back on track.

        • Sue Smith

          I wouldn’t hold your breath.

          • Rallan

            Ha ha! Wishful thinking on your part. UKIP is already coming back together (don’t care if you agree) and every day seems to bring a headline that only UKIP is willing to confront. We’re going to be in your face for years to come, whether you like it or not.

      • conservIN

        Might I ask what you really know about the Tea Party movement other than what you read in the press? Serious question really would like a reply.

        • Otto von Bismarck

          I’m not American and don’t take too much of an interest in your election cycle (despite the BBC ramming it down our throats every four years as if we’re the 51st state of the USA) but I am a Libertarian and I identify with a lot of what the Tea Party advocates and as such I know a fair bit about them.

          I’m not criticising the Tea Party at all, I just think the US and UK have very different political cultures and simply trying to replicate won’t work. Not only that, but the Tea Party is a movement aiming to influence the direction of the Republican party, and as such it only has to focus mainly on winning over Republicans. For UKIP however, the Tory party is not our friend. We have to destroy them and set ourselves up as a right-wing opposition, rather than attempt to pull the party in a different direction from the inside. We tried that already with the Bruges Group, Better Off Out, etc and it didn’t work. UKIP has to win votes from across the political spectrum, we can’t establish ourselves as a political force on ex-Tory votes alone.

      • Count Dooku

        You’re one of few then. Most kippers (like the one you’re replying to) just froth in the mouth and can’t take any criticism at all.

        • Otto von Bismarck

          A fair few are like that, and there are certain sections of the media who love to bash UKIP even if it means clutching at straws to do so, which understandably riles people up.

          But yes I agree, some can’t handle criticism of the party even when it’s valid. Cyberkippers need to make sure they don’t descend into to the level of cybernats.

  • Raddiy

    Yawn!!

  • Precambrian

    “Breitbart staff were alarmed at the lack of editorial independence.”

    It’s a touch ironic when the Spectator (generally biased towards the Tories) attacks Breitbart as being generally biased towards UKIP….

    “Douglas Carswell, Ukip’s first MP, wanted the party’s election focus to
    be ‘hyperlocal’ — talking to people face to face about the difficulties
    in their lives — yet Farage was making national headlines by picking
    fights with celebrities.”

    Generally, you win elections nationally, not locally. People vote for parties and leaders more than they vote for individual MPs. A few exceptions (like Martin Bell) are just that – exceptions.

    • Owen_Morgan

      Twaddle. That’s why you have only one MP. Your candidates failed to gain traction at the local level and it is precisely at the local level that a good candidate, or a popular incumbent, can make the crucial difference. The UKIP candidate round here got a respectable number of votes, but was never in danger of winning the seat and I doubt if one in ten even of those who voted for the candidate could tell you the candidate’s name. That’s what you get for relying on a national campaign built around a personality cult, especially when the personality is someone most people don’t like very much and certainly couldn’t stomach as Prime Minister.

      We’ll be subjected, no doubt, to five years of UKIP’s whining about the unfairness of the first-past-the-post system, but that’s not going to change, so UKIP’s aproach to elections will have to.

      By the way, I didn’t like the article, either, but your analysis is still wrong.

      • EHGombrich

        No. UKIP only have one MP because the British system values stability over fairness.

        • Wessex Man

          stability you say, how much do you reckon the EU will bill us and Call me Dave pay over the mass illegal immigrants and the Eurozone Greek black hole?

          Don’t preach that we are not in the Euro Zone, Call be Dave paidf the extra £1.9 billion with a whimper when they said they wanted it!

      • It clearly is unfair. Is the whining optional…Or can I just wee on it?

      • ArchiePonsonby

        “That’s what you get for relying on a national campaign built around a personality cult,” So, so unlike Cameron, then?

      • Wessex Man

        I think you twaddle out twaddles Precambrian’s by a country mile.

        In the two constituencies here, where I helped in every way, our two Candidates were both born in the constituencies they fought, the two winning and yes whining Tory winners came from Scotland and Cambridgeshire!

        You will gather from my moniker that these constituencies are nowhere near either. The local paper arranged a forum of candidates but refused to invite our candidates, the family that own the paper have a member on the committees of both constituencies.

        We caught desperate lib/dums pulling our corex boeards from out of the ground.

        Many many people have said that at the end of the day they were frightened that by voting UKip Labour would get in. Labour have as much chance of getting in here as a Snowman in Hell!

        The Tories and the Lib/dums are well rehearsed in the dark arts. We won’t be moaning and whining about the unfairness of it all, we’ll watch Call me Dave floundering against the Eurocrats, the record numbers illegal and Eastern europeans migrants and will bang on about it every chance we get!

      • Mr B J Mann

        So why did so many good locally respected community focussed popular Lib Dems lose their seats then?!?!?!?!

    • blingmun

      “A few exceptions (like Martin Bell) are just that – exceptions.”

      And he was beaten by Eric Pickles, so even the exceptional ones do not succeed consistently.

      • Precambrian

        It was Osborne rather than Pickles, but yes precisely.

        • Dandelion

          No, it was Pickles

          • Precambrian

            It was Tatton, which Osborne took from Bell in 2001.

          • Dandelion

            Martin Bell then stood in Brentwood and Ongar, where he came second to Pickles. But that’s irrelevant to the main thread, I’m just being pedantic 🙂

          • Precambrian

            Ah, fair enough 😀

          • Kingstonian

            Well, only in the sense that Bell didn’t stand against Osborne, having pledged to serve only one term.

    • Pacificweather

      Elections are won by the party that has the postcodes. The SNP has the postcodes but UKIP does not. Not even the southern coastal towns.

  • WFB56

    I had the feeling that I should have skipped this and simply moved on to the article about how annoying questionnaires are but like the perverse desire to look at a car wreck, I read on; a waste of time.

    • Reg

      My feeling exactly. A crap, risible smear job and about as convincing as CCHQ’s useless ‘Farage Can’t Lead the Out Campaign Because He’s Too Divisive’ nonsense.

  • Ngaire Lowndes

    What a load of spiteful rubbish. Seriously, Speccie, I expected better of you. Or are you rattled by the Torygraph’s pushing pro-Brexit articles, and feel the need to have a little snipe at your favourite target? General tone – sneering toff Tory. Deeply unimpressive.

    I must say, though, you did superbly with that carefully set-up photo.

  • Hoot_Gibson

    I was a avid follower of all things Farage a party member for 5 years but now am disillusioned and no longer a member of UKIP.
    Poor Nigel since his resurrection ( just like Jesus in 3 days) he seems to suffer the hubris that all long term political leaders are affected with none more so than his hero Maggie Thatcher.
    He lost my support completely when he lost again in Thanet.
    He is simply unelectable a marmite figure revered but also despised by many.
    He is now the past the baton should be handed over to others in UKIP to bring back a sense of sanity and direction.
    They appear to be like ferrets fighting in a sack with Nigel becoming more unhinged by the day.
    I really hope he does not become the head figure to lead our campaign to get us out of Europe if he does we will surely lose the only chance to regain our freedom from the tyranny of the EU.

    • Can you name anyone or any group that could lead EUout other then farage/ukip? EUout needs support from all over, but farage/ukip are the only thing available to form the core…

    • Roger Hudson

      You seem to be in exclusive clob of 1, Hopalong.

    • GraveDave

      I was a avid follower of all things Farage a party member for 5 years but now am disillusioned and no longer a member of UKIP.

      So why aid the enemy by doing a hatchet job on the party itself?

  • will91

    Unsure as to whether you should keep supporting UKIP? Just look at the available alternatives. That usually works for me.

  • Shorne

    The thing about the UKIP claque is they have spent so long dishing out criticism to other Parties that now their relative success means they are to a greater extent on the receiving end they can’t take it. Moreover as right wingers they exhibit the well recognised trait of rigid thinking which lessens their ability to deal with criticism.

    • sandy winder

      I don’t mind criticism of UKIP as long as it is their policies that are being criticised. Otherwise it reeks of desperation and the same dishonesty that got the Tories elected..

      • Jean de Valette

        Exactly.

      • UKSteve

        So all of the members are beyond criticism? How incredibly childish!

    • William_Brown

      I think you’ll find that UKIP has been the ‘whipping boy’ for some time…

      • Shorne

        I can only assume that you have never crossed swords with the UKIP claque. Throughout the Election campaign period I was abused in terms I hadn’t heard since I retired from my job in a prison.

        • Wessex Man

          Liar, I experienced an awlful lot worse delivered to me and mine from Lib/dum scum and Tory Twa**!

          • UKSteve

            Liar! UKIP = Uncanny Knack for Infighting Party?

          • Shorne

            So you deny the UKIP claque (claque,noun:a group of sycophantic followers) use insulting language by using insulting language…even you must see this is not exactly convincing.

          • Shorne

            So you complain about offensive language by using offensive language…Tourettes is it?

      • UKSteve

        I think you’ll find that – as the BNP has completely collapsed – the rank and file (in both terms! 🙂 ) has swollen the ranks of the once redoubtable UKIP. Now, it seems full of ignorant and hateful trash – too many good people chased out.

    • mohdanga

      “Moreover as right wingers they exhibit the well recognised trait of rigid thinking which lessens their ability to deal with criticism.” Hilarious comment given the left are all about restricting free speech and accusing people of being ‘racist’, ‘sexist’, “islamophobic’, etc when they can’t effectively debate with them or when someone dare criticize one of their hobby horses.

      • Shorne

        And for the UKIPers it’s all ‘Tree huggers’, ‘Guardianistas,’ ‘Lefty scum ‘, ‘Cultural Marxists’, ‘Anti-white traitors’,’Rotherham rape buddies’ etc.
        Incidentally I voted Tory in 2010 and would have this year had it not been for what Grayling did to my former profession so I trust you are not including me in ‘the left.’ Mind you in the, sadly unlikely, event of Dan Jarvis becoming Leader of the Labour Party things would change.

        • GraveDave

          And for the UKIPers it’s all ‘Tree huggers’, ‘Guardianistas,’ ‘Lefty scum ‘, ‘Cultural Marxists’, ‘Anti-white traitors’,’Rotherham rape buddies’ etc.

          I get that too sometimes- and I’m far from being a Lefty tree hugger. Having said that it comes at me from mostly Tories. I find Farage’s fruitcakes far more tolerant of criticism than Cameron’s moral crusaders.

          • Shorne

            I’m far from being a lefty tree hugger as well, sometimes it’s hard to tell if they are Tories or UKIPers, I suspect they are not sure themselves.

    • Wessex Man

      The UKip claque? do grow up, you sound like onwe of Diane Abbotts stormtroopers.

      • Shorne

        ‘Onwe’ …?

  • misomiso

    Good analysis on UKIP, and the reason they shouldn’t lead the referendum.

    However it would be worth showing a little more empathy Speccie; opposition to political establishments is SO HARD, and as you said there are so many strands of Eurosceptisism – Brietbart UKIP, red UKIP, and Carswell’s Gladstonian UKIP. It’s very difficult to hold all this together, but at least they’ve tested Brietbart UKIP to destruction.

    The truth is Eurosceptism needs ALL of these strands in balance. It needs the liberalism of Brietbart and Caswell, the Leftwing case against the EU (corporatism), and the business case against the EU (free trade). Very tough to communicate all of those to the public.

    • There is noone else to lead the out campaign other than UKIP. Its not ideal, but it is a fact. For Britain have all said they would stay in with the right deal, so see ‘out’ as a lever, not as an objective – no new group could be trusted, so its just UKIP to lead.

    • Brian K

      Ukip cannot lead the referendum campaign. The ‘lead organisation’ will be chosen by the Electoral Commission. Ukip should register with the EC as a ‘campaigner’ but must join together with others to apply to be a lead campaign group.

      Frankly Ukip’s strategy at present seems to be to have no plan except for Farage to debate it out and mention immigration fairly frequently. That won’t win friends outside their own group.

      Lead campaign groups
      If you have registered, you can apply to us to become the lead
      campaign group for one side of the debate. We publish
      guidance for each referendum explaining when you can apply
      to do this.
      The benefits for lead campaign groups may include:
      • A higher spending limit than other registered
      campaigners
      • To be able to send information to voters free of charge
      • Referendum campaign broadcasts
      • A grant from us depending on the referendum
      • The use of certain public rooms
      We must make sure that the lead campaign groups adequately
      represent those campaigning for each outcome.
      Because of this, if you want to apply for designation, you may
      want to consider forming an umbrella organisation with other
      groups who are campaigning for the outcome you support.
      The umbrella organisation must be registered with us as a
      campaigner if your application is to be considered.

  • walworthman

    Fascinating – good to get a bit of reportage on this lot – illuminating for the rest of us – the true believers won’t like it….

  • Damaris Tighe

    Amusing that Breitbart is criticised for being a ‘cheerleader’ for UKIP, when the Speccie is not exactly editorially independent itself.

    • mohdanga

      And this classic line: “To begin to understand, it helps to cross the Atlantic and meet Stephen Bannon, executive chairman of a mysteriously rich right-wing website called Breitbart.” Not sure why a private company, which is under no obligation to disclose its financial statements, is ‘mysteriously rich’.

      • The point being made is the suggestion that it’s funding comes directly from Tea Party sources, a claim that has been made often. Breitbart deny this.

        However Media Economists (there are such things) examining Breitbart’s advertising revenues cannot explain *where* the money comes from. Not from advertisers, certainly.

        • mohdanga

          And if it comes from the Tea Party, so what? Are they not allowed to fund a website and disseminate information? The left doesn’t have a problem with George Soros and other wealthly lefties funding a multitude of their pet projects.

    • AJH1968

      What is with the Jedi knight on the left of NIgel? Could a lack of basic hygiene (on the part of the Jedi knight) explain the look on poor Nigel’s face. I could have sworn that I saw him at an anti-austerity march.

      • Damaris Tighe

        I thought he was the real thing. A sign! A sign!

  • licjjs

    If it, UKIP, is so irrelevant, why spend time writing such a long-winded article about it?

    • topcat666

      Tories want to hijack the referendum, which Cameron didn’t want in the first place (forced by UKIP pressure), so that it is fake eurosceptics (Redwood, Paterson) against Vichy Dave, mainly because they are worried about unity and staying in power for power’s sake while more and more money and power is transferred to Brussels.

      • REPman20260

        Nigel Farage and Daniel Hannan convinced and audience to swing opinion substantially. So the idea we leave it to the wets in the Tory party (many of whom continue to back Cameron), is laughable. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM6UQgUs-jk

        • ShadrachSmith

          That would be weedy wets…

      • MikeBrighton

        Have you ever met Paterson or Redwood? I have. Let me tell you that they are not fake eurosceptics.
        Again as very you’re falling into the trap of “you are ether with us (UKIP) or against us” – UKIP don’t hold a monopoly on euroscepticism.

        • UKSteve

          UKIP don’t hold anything on Euroscepticism – they halved their MPs from 2 to 1 in May, and called it an “astounding success”!

          Yes, seriously.

          • Wessex Man

            Yep seriously, they had the third highest vote in the election but hey you don’t do truth do you?

          • UKSteve

            Yes, and look where it got you. Nothing but constant blo0dy whining on the internet about an election system you supported to the hilt, the day before!

            Absolutely infantile and pathetic.

            Wrong strategy in 2010 – and God knows, you were told about it. But no. Do exactly the same, but on a much bigger scale in 2015.

            Farage makes 2 short planks look like Einstein. Just stay away from the Referendum campaign – it needs people who know what they’re talking about.

          • gfr

            Let’s see, the SNP gets 1.4 million votes and FIFTY-SIX (56) seats while UKIP gets 3.9 million votes and ONE (1) seat.
            .
            So your suggestion is to NOT complain, but rather to MUZZLE Farage and let Vichy Dave handle the EU..
            .
            Allow me to suggest that you go phuc yourself..

          • UKSteve

            As I said:

            “Proving my point – beautifully – that UKIP is populated by pre-literate, pig-ignorant, window-licking retards, with as much nous with politics as nuclear reactors.”

            With your post, I’ve lost count!

            I would explain it to you – it’s really simple – but judging by this post, you’re as thick as they come, so it would be completely wasted. “Vichy” Dave – LMAO. I love idiots who use terms they don’t understand, and make them look foolish.

          • Radio Real Free Europe

            Guten Tag, Frau Merkel.

          • UKSteve

            Buenas tardes, Señor Feste.

          • Sue Smith

            Dr. Merkel, if you don’t mind.

        • gfr

          If they’re still part of the Conservative party they’re “Fake” Eurosceptics.
          .
          REAL Eurosceptics would have defected to UKIP by now..

          • MikeBrighton

            Total rubbish. You don’t have to be in UKIP to be a Eurosceptic!
            It’s very difficult to describe Dan Hannah and Bill Cash as anything other that Eurosceptic but they are in the Tories.
            You could not possibly be more Eurosceptic than me, and I voted Tory.

          • ManOfKent

            The Tories joined the EEC (and planned to join it long before they actually did), they joined the ERM, they signed up to Maastricht. They have by default now accepted the Lisbon Treaty and handed over further powers to Brussels. No matter how much Tories whine about being Eurosceptic when one analyses their party interactions with Brussels has undertaken more Europhile acts than any other British party. In reality whislt the Try party may have slowed EU progress it has never reversed the persistent march of Ever Closer Union and now is no different. Cameron gave up the commitments to return sovereignty long ago and now is purely peddling what is in effect the slower integration route that his boss Angela Merkel has outlined.

            It is hard to take Tory ‘Eurosceptics’ seriously when they persist in remaining in a party who are so brazenly Europhiliac in their actions. A vote for the Tory party is inevitably as much a vote for the EU as is a Labour or Libdem vote and anyone who votes Tory who thinks otherwise needs to remove their head from their colon.

          • MikeBrighton

            I’m not a defender of the Tories and agree with what you’re saying re their shameful record. There are however strong Eurosceptics in the Tory party, Redwood, Jenkin, Cash, Hollobone, Hannah etc etc to describe them as “fake” Eurosceptics as some do is just lazy. There are deep Eurosceptics in Labour and on the left. Kate Hoey is deeply Eurosceptic and as are the RMT union as was the late Bob Crow.
            I would say the Tory leadership clique is Europhilicac and yes I despise them as much as you clearly do. I doubt you could get a cigarette paper between our opinions.
            But….
            It’s all academic. The denouement (sorry French) is rapidly coming and the Tory party will surely split. The names I have given and many more cannot possible support “Yes” if any of them do then yes they are “fake” and deserve and mine and your scorn.
            Let’s see where it all falls in the EUref campaign. Will be interesting.

          • emptyend

            Why?

          • averagebritain

            Quite correct, Mike. I happen to support UKIP, but an approach to the Referendum campaign should have nothing to do with partisan stances. It must be cross party and trans societal. Then we’ll win – and Britain will be greater.

          • robertsonjames

            Given that defectors to UKIP evidently have at best only a 50% chance of holding their seats at a general election (less, perhaps, if Carswell has unusual advantages), Tory MPs would need to be politically suicidal to jump ship to join a party of inept no-hopers like the Kippers.

            After the loopy Reckless’s justified humbling and following the latest humiliations for Farage in yet again being spurned by real constituency voters, no serious Eurosceptic politician who wanted to have influence in Parliament would be looking to switch to UKIP.

        • ManOfKent

          Well let Paterson and Redwood get off the fence, stop playing self-serving partisan politics, denounce the fake actions of their party leader and declare for ‘OUT’ then.

          Simples……

          • MikeBrighton

            What fence? They could not possibly be less Eurosceptic! I do agree they have to declare for “NO” that is the test.

        • robertsonjames

          Fanatics ALWAYS reckon they have a monopoly on ideological purity.

          It’s why Farage is still drinking his way around country boozers rather than enjoying G&Ts at our expense in the Commons members’ bars: the sad truth is that there isn’t a parliamentary seat anywhere in Britain where as the leader of a party of uncompromising zealots he doesn’t repel more voters than he attracts.

          • Doh

            Euroscepticism is the raison d’être of UKIP and consequently is the only party which has an official policy of OUT.

            Consequently, Eurosceptics in other parties are only minority voices.

        • Doh

          Actually, UKIP by their very definition DO hold a monopoly on Euroscepticism.

          It does what it says on the tin.

      • Scaroth

        You are right about the referendum being forced by Ukip pressure.

        But pray tell what the hell you are on about suggesting John Redwood and Owen Paterson are “fake eurosceptics”? Twenty years ago, back in the days when Nigel Farage was still enjoying 12 hour lunches and leering at lapdancers in the city, Redwood was challenging John Major for the leadership of the Tory party over the direction of travel in the EU. Now remember who was the major beneficiary of Major’s treachery? Tony Blair.

        The fact that you refer to such people as “fake” just because they are Tories rather than members of Ukip, proves that, like so many in Ukip, your ultimate loyalty is to the party, not to leaving the European Union.

        If you care about Brexit, can I suggest you stop picking a fight with your own side. A lot of people will find it funny, most of them to be found in Brussels.

        • Wessex Man

          Mmmm,

          Is this the Tory party that every day smeared Ukip throughout the election with fantastical rubish most of which proved to be lies.

          When the Tories stop picking fights with us so too will we with them!

          • Scaroth

            The Tories won’t be picking a fight with you anytime soon now though, will they? They have a majority, while you have one MP. Mind you it’s the excellent Douglas Carswell, so more will follow provided Farage looks after him and stops running the party like his private fiefdom.

            I’d implore you to stop fighting the last election campaign and instead concentrate your energies on the EU. Yes that means Dave and his gang of Brussels worshipping cronies, but never forget that a majority of Tory voters probably want out of the EU. We are all on the same side till the referendum is done. Time to unite.

          • Rallan

            You do realise it’s only been a few weeks since the GE, right? And that UKIP is getting over a very frustrating and bruising result? Maybe you should wait a little bit before throwing your weight around and scolding us.

            Meantime we’re watching large numbers of so called Tory Eurosceptics supporting Cameron in his rush to rig the referendum, while Labour just turn a blind eye. We’re also hearing a lot of Tory and Tory-Proxy voices slagging off UKIP and saying we’re irrelevant now.

            If you want to “unite” with us you probably treat us with a bit of respect and courtesy . If you continue to abuse and dismiss us we’ll eventually turn on you.

          • gfr

            The tories will start “picking a fight” with UKIP the instant that it appears that the “out” side is gaining traction.
            .
            They’ve realized that constantly slagging off UKIP is counter productive and they’re taking a breather.
            .
            But that doesn’t mean the tories are on the same side. They may SOUND like UKIP but they’re actually UKDP..

          • ManOfKent

            If the majority of Conservatives are Eurosceptic then they must take any and all measures to stop Cameron and his cabal and that means if you are serious about ending our relationship with Europe taking down your leader. Now are Tories really up to that?

            Cameron cannot survive if the nation votes for withdrawal. In which case truly dedicated Tory Eurosceptics might as well start working towards his downfall now.

            If its done right then the Tories can prosper without him but if he wins there will be no future for Eurosceptics in the Tory party.

        • silent_pilot

          Just remind us what the Tory Eurosceptics have achieved, ever?

        • gfr

          A real Eurosceptic wouldn’t continue to be a member of a party whose leader is a Europhile..

          • UKSteve

            Real Eurosceptics wouldn’t allow themselves to be gullibly drawn in by a personality cult, masquerading as a populist party. The sole purpose of UKIP is to keep Farage and his chums on the EU gravy train – nothing else.

            If you want real, hard Euroscepticism, go here. You might learn something. Might.

          • ManOfKent

            No instead your idea of real ‘Euroscepticism’ is to slavishly pledge allegiance to someone who has stated in public that he will never support their position and will always look to retain UK membership to the EU no matter what and allegiance to a party whose actions over the years have invariably been at the forefront of British Europhilia (Initial membership, Masstricht,, ERM, Lisbon referendum betrayal, the fake referendum lock etc etc)

            The idea that that is real ‘Euroscepticism’ is like suggesting that ‘real Tories’ actually vote Labour. I don’t know which is the more prominent characteristic of such an argument. The pure parody, the complete lack of self awareness and perspective or the sheer dishonesty and hypocrisy of such a position? The surrealism of such views is truly bizarre.

          • UKSteve

            I read this piece of utter bilge, and have no idea of whom or what you type, your brainless rant being based on absolutely risible assumptions, every one of which is wrong by 180 degrees. I think. Either way, you seem to be a hamper short of a picnic.

            Are you talking about Dr. Richard North? He is the most avid “outer”s I know, apart from me.

          • MikeBrighton

            It’s not possible to be a more avid “Outer” than me, thankyou.
            The esteemed Dr North has nothing on me!!!!

          • UKSteve

            It is – ME! I’ve even written about it, not published yet though.

            But ‘fair play’! You are a man of perception and intelligence! 🙂

        • ManOfKent

          And 20 years on post Maastricht, post the ERM, post Lisbon (which the current Tory leadership have now tantamount accepted) Redwood and his ilk are still bleating aimlessly about the EU whilst his party leadership drags us further into its suffocating control.

          Instead of standing by their Eurosceptic convictions they have compromised them for whatever self-serving reasons they have and puckered up to whatever lying hypocritical leader they put at their head.

          If Tory Eurosceptics want to be taken seriously as Eurosceptics then they firstly have to stop their Europhile leaders making them look like ridiculous muppets whose strings can be pulled at will.

          Even now the likes of Redwood are equivocating in the vain hope that Cameron might return with something even anything meaningful. Tory Eurosceptics need to decide whether they are Eurosceptics or worthless partisan party doormats. its as simple as that. Its time to get off the fence and put up or shut up!

          • Pacificweather

            Muppets with strings? Is that a Eurosceptic who still hasn’t made his mind up and remains merely sceptical? Is it not time for a more assertive nomenclature? Europhobes perhaps. Maybe Eurejectors or Eurouts. Even Brexiters would be better. How can we rally around a group that are merely sceptical. Cameron is sceptical.

    • Bluebottle

      Because we all need a laugh and Ukip are the funniest show in town right now

      • Ringstone

        Though Labour, with Corbyn the Comedy Candidate, runs them close.

        The image of St Nigel falling on his sword; so that “he was buried, and that he rose again the third day” – just takes the biscuit.

        • gfr

          We understand that you would much prefer if Farage would keep quiet, but he isn’t going to – so get over it..

          • Ringstone

            No, on the contrary, I hang on UKIP’s ever pronouncement – provides me with endless entertainment.

      • licjjs

        Nothing funnier than Cameron doing the Grand Tour, cap in hand but saying, “I am voting to stay in anyway”.

      • Wrong.

        • RonRand

          I imagine it’s hysterical laughter, as he realises we’re gradually taking the right.

      • Clive

        I think the Labour leadership election and the Greek crisis in the EU and the Tory rebels and… – you get the idea – were funnier

        • Bluebottle

          Labour …yup, that is funny. Not sure about Greece.

      • gfr

        You were laughing so hard at UKIP that you allowed the Tories to destroy Labour and the Liberals, and gain an absolute majority.
        .
        Now look who’s laughing..

        • Bluebottle

          I allowed…I thought Ukip took votes off Labour?

    • UKSteve

      It’s called an “analysis” (big word, I know!) A dictionary should help.

    • Aberrant_Apostrophe

      Fear.

    • conservIN

      Excellent point, we have seen much of the same here regarding the Tea Party.

    • ShadrachSmith

      I have no brief for UKIP, but the left has been importing 3rd world immigrants to increase its voting block and those moslems are Cloward-Pivening all of Europe. They are taking more resources than they contribute and raping all the little girls in various villages. Somebody needs to do something and recognizing Islamic Jihad as a greater threat than UKIP would be a good start.

      • GraveDave

        I have no brief for UKIP, but the left has been importing 3rd world immigrants to increase its voting block

        I used to think the same at one time but on the evidence it doesn’t seem to bear out. Unless you take Tower Hamlets as a one of.

        • UKSteve

          “…but the left has been importing 3rd world immigrants to increase its voting block….”

          Yes, a policy which was applauded every time “Lord” Digby Jones (a Labour peer) was invited on radio / TV.

          And guess what? He was the main guest speaker at UKIP’s conference in Birmingham.

          • gfr

            So you are saying that UKIP is in FAVOUR of immigration from the third world?
            .
            Allow me to suggest that you go phuc yourself..

          • UKSteve

            More pre-literate, childish rubbish. Your parents should take your computer away and stop your pocket money until you grow up.

    • Lady Magdalene

      Just doing their bit for their Conservative pals …. still trying to destabilise and do down Farage and UKIP.

      • UKSteve

        Nah. Leave Farage to his own devices, the sleaze and his incompetence will do that job for them.

        • styants64

          A a Tory rsol going on about sleeze forgot about all the expenses claims then have you, you and the other mainstream rsoles have wrecked our Society with your corrupt morals.

          • UKSteve

            I’m not a Tory. You however, are a r3t4rd.

          • styants64

            whoever you vote for does not matter because you’re a supporter of Britain being in the EU, that makes you a traitor to the British people and you cannot sink any lower.

          • UKSteve

            My God, your stupidity must be hereditary, as with you, it absolutely knows no bounds!

        • gfr

          If Farage is going to self-destruct, why are you so desperately insistent that people should ignore him?
          .
          Allow me to suggest that you go phuc yourself..

          • UKSteve

            I don’t care what the sheeple do – it’s what UKIP does that concerns me. It needs to ditch him, and the rest of his acolytes and become a professional party that serious people can vote for.

            But it also needs to dissociate with semi-literate trash that type nothing but insults into discussion forums….

            Allow me to suggest you get someone to teach you to read.; you’re as ignorant as the day is long, and we’re in mid-summer.

  • Mr Creosote

    The usual demolition job by Gray and Payne, complete with photo-shopped “Jesus” hovering in the background of the carefully picked photo.
    The only pertinent fact in the whole piece is the figure 3.9 million – a figure that would have been MUCH higher without the LAB/SNP fear-factor.

    • JabbaTheCat

      The photograph is genuine, it was all over the press at the time. Google ‘farage jesus photo’…

    • “complete with photo-shopped “Jesus””

      < The photo went viral. How could you have missed it?

      • Mr Creosote

        must have been asleep at the wheel!

        • UKSteve

          Where, as you didn’t realise the photo was genuine, you must have been asleep between the ears!

  • John Carins

    UKIP has done the “heavy lifting” for real conservatives who appeared ashamed to discuss the real issues. It is time to stop squabbling and unite in the fight to get the UK out of the EU. It’s time to make our democracy both responsible and accountable.

    • mohdanga

      Back in the early late 1980s, early 90s there was a splinter of the Canadian Progressive Conservative Party called the Reform Party. They were lambasted by the lib/left Canadian media and other political parties as being ‘right wing neanderthals’, ‘misogynist’, ‘Christian nutbars’, ‘racists’ etc, etc (just like UKIP) because they were disillusioned with ‘conservative’ politics in Canada (at a time when Canada was suffering a severe debt crisis). The PCs, which held power for 9 years with 2 overwhelming majorities, were destroyed in the 1993 election, being reduced to 2(!) seats when the Liberals again were swept in. Reform ended up being the official opposition and advocated such far right extremist policies as cutting gov’t spending, cutting taxes, reducing the debt, and reducing the deficit, policies so radical and nation destroying that the Liberals actually adopted them when threatened with possibility of an IMF bailout. They eventually morphed into a new Conservative Party which has been in power for 10 years. But they did, as you say, the ‘heavy lifting’ for real conservatives who didn’t want to rock the boat. Eventually the worm turns…..

      • John Carins

        Thanks for that insight.

  • BillRees

    UKIP and Nigel Farage are guilty of some misjudgements, but their central message continues to be as strong as it was and it attracted 3.9 million voters at the recent election.

    And, given the chaos in the EU currently, I can only imagine it getting stronger.

    The Spectator’s attempts to write off UKIP are a little premature, I would say.

    I didn’t vote UKIP at the election, but I will certainly be backing Farage and the out campaign in the referendum.

    • £-store

      ** FIRE SALE** ** everything must go **

      Farage’s hankies

      Nuttall’s beer mats ( both used from new)

      English Constitution and Helmer’s lights out pamphlets (out of print)

      Magni Carti and other Italian restaurant menus

      Historic ice lolly wrappers such as Screw Balls (how aptly named)

      I also give you The Finger (see image)

      ** FIRE SALE ** ** everything must go **

      • brand value

        The Finger ice lollies remind me of my childhood, I used to bite off the pointer and place it one down the line. Brilliant memories.

        • flipkipper

          Oh yes, now that you say it, that’s what I used to do too.

        • Varoufake

          Now that a deal is done I will spare some time for some rather important campaigning:

          Bring back The Finger!

      • UKSteve

        You forgot “Sod The Lot” posters – from 2010 general election!

      • gfr

        You should hold on to that stuff – after Brexit, Farage memorabilia will be worth a lot of money.
        .
        And if you DON’T get out you might still want to hold on to it, because the pound will be trading on a par with the Zimbabwean Dollar and you wont have a pot to pi33 in..

    • Tellytubby

      Yeah. We must hope they learned from their mistakes and Farage realises that the key strength of UKIP is not to become “more professional”. They don’t need to be a slick outfit full of PR and spin. Quite the opposite. They should be a brave voice standing up for normal, ordinary people. They do this and they’ll remain popular – even if they do have the odd “swivel eyed loon” in their ranks escaping the vetting procedure. People are willing to overlook this on the whole – the idea that they have real human being “characters” in the party is more effective than them having bland, PR trained, blue suited waxworks.

      • gfr

        The TEA party is NOT “more professional”, they are just a bunch of real citizens like UKIP. But they MAY be a bit better organized..

        • UKSteve

          Spectacularly ignorant. The Tea Party is full oif raving loonies way too deranged for even the Republicans – so just liek UKIP then.

          “But they MAY be a bit better organized..”……ROTFLMAO – a “BIT”…..hilarious. You halved your MP tally. Cretin.

          • Pacificweather

            ROTFLMAO? How’s that picture in your attic looking these days Steve?

          • American_cavalier

            And you would know because you went to a tea party event? Or is it something you read in that rag of the senile left, the Guardian?

          • UKSteve

            I don’t read the Guardian, and don’t need to go to “events”- stupid question. I’ve seen them on TV; mad as a box of frogs.

          • benny black

            Madder, much so

          • daner

            “what I see on tv = reality” seems like a dumb approach. While we can’t go third party as easy as in your system, the TeaParty is nothing more than an expression of disgust by decent people with the elites on their own side.

            But sure, keep calling such people “crazy” if you require pointless moral preening to get through the day.

          • UKSteve

            Well, Clueless Infant, if your beloved Tea Party present themselves as a bunch of ultra-racist, swivel-eyed loons that are bat-shit crazy with only a double-digit IQ between all of them, who is to blame for that?

            “Pointless moral preening” – Jezzusss, that’s incredibly pathetic! Worthy of a high school debating society – in a very small town in the flyover states. Maybe.

            As long as they stay away from the White House; we don’t want any more imbecilic monkeys invading others people’s countries and destabilising the world….any more!

    • benny black

      The pauline hanson of the dimwitted….

    • robertsonjames

      I think when a party manages to win just one MP off the back of nearly 13% of the vote (even the Liberals were managing 6 MPs in the 1950s off less than 3%), and when its leader even when he’s gifted prime-time exposure in a TV debate still cannot finally win a seat at the umpteenth embarrassing attempt, one is entitled to conclude that among those “misjudgments” is a complete failure to comprehend the British electoral system and how to play it.

      For a party that allegedly aspires to a major role in Parliament that’s quite a “misjudgment”.

  • Richard Eldritch

    Nigel Jumped the Shark, should have given Suzanne Evans a go. Kassam just comes across as a git.

  • Dysgrontled

    I love the picture, Jesus in the background staring at Farage and Kassam and thinking “why in h**l did I save Noah?”.

  • Jeff Thompson

    I completely stopped reading this CCHQ Gutter-Site around the time of the General Election long campaign, when their vile attacks started, and increased by the day. I never returned and still NEVER visit this website. The half dozen times I’ve ended up reading, and chortling at, one of their pathetic pieces, is when I have against my better judgement followed a link. I’m unlikely to do it much more. Europhile Central, this website.

    • Lady Magdalene

      I’d never pay a subscription for this Conservative-Propaganda rag. I only read the free content.

  • Radical

    More tripe from the conservative newsletter that the Speccie has become (or always was). Move along, nothing to see here!

  • global city

    Weird.

    How are the Greens doing, post-election?

    • bufo75

      How is any party except the Tories doing, post-election ?

  • Happy65

    ‘British politicians are easily seduced by American money and power’. You mean like Tony Blair?

  • “Farage suggested that the NHS should not treat foreigners with Aids.” that is misleading and disingenuous – the principle was that people with HIV should not qualify as migrants to the UK.

    • ill-liberal

      Unless they are insured or can fund the treatment themselves, I believe.

      • Moa

        We shall send you the bills, shall we?

        • ill-liberal

          What ???

    • mohdanga

      ‘…the principle was that people with HIV should not qualify as migrants to the UK.” A perfectly logical policy except in the West where we are expected to take the world’s sick even at the expense of our own. It is a mind boggling situation.

    • RonRand

      Paul, where has Farage EVER suggested this? He commented on their ‘Free’ treatment not their ability to come here………

  • frankie

    A load of rubbish..nothing to do with who said what, when to who, and tea parties, everything to do with rubbing the British establishment up the wrong way in trying to free Britain from the EU….full Stop!

    And, UKIP will succeed!

  • PeteCW

    Delingpole’s a snivelling, simpering little mouthpiece regurgitating everything he so loves swallowing from the far right US idiocracy – who knew?

  • Roger Hudson

    I wonder if these 2 prats ever read the comments below their drivel. Probably not.

  • Rallan

    There is some interesting truth in this article, but it’s pretty one sided and has a lot of Tory wishful thinking in it. After failing to break through into Westminster at the election UKIP is going through an evolutionary change, and that’s always chaotic. However the party will find it’s way. For example, it’s true that Evans was unofficially “sacked” but the “sacking” was almost immediately cancelled because almost all UKIP supporters didn’t agree with it.

    UKIP got more than 1 in 8 votes at the GE, but got less than 0.15% democratic representation in Parliament. That’s an obvious injustice, and insurgency thrives on injustice. Meantime our main issues of immigration and the EU are both increasingly urgent issues. We’re just getting started.

  • “the election was not a disaster for Ukip. It was a triumph.”

    In what way is halving Westminster representation, toxifying the brand and increasing support for EU membership to an all time high “a triumph”?

    • Rallan

      To quote from my earlier post:

      UKIP got more than 1 in 8 votes at the GE, but got less than 0.15% democratic representation in Parliament. That’s an obvious injustice, and insurgency thrives on injustice. Meantime our main issues of immigration and the EU are both increasingly urgent issues. We’re just getting started.

      • Just getting started with a toxic brand, a leader with collapsing approval ratings and a disillusioned branch network about to lose half of their councillors.

        • Rallan

          We’ll see.

      • UKSteve

        It cannot possibly be an “injustice” – whoever wrote that posses a stupidity of industrial strength.

        If different rules and procedures were applied to UKIP than any other party, THEN it would be a gross injustice. There wasn’t, so it didn’t. And you’re still banging on about it as though you have some form of political ‘dis-connective disorder’.

        The cretinous Farage deployed – AGAIN – the wrong electoral strategy, despite being told exactly the same in 2010, and with a very similar outcome.

        Please stay clear of the referendum campaign – UKIP can do nothing but damage to the cause.

        • Rallan

          Injustice is whatever 4 million annoyed people say it is, dumbass. As for your insults and opinions about UKIP, I couldn’t care less what you think. I doubt anyone else does either.

          • UKSteve

            Proving my point – beautifully – that UKIP is populated by pre-literate, pig-ignorant, window-licking retards, with as much nous with politics as nuclear reactors.

            For our sakes, stay away from the “No” campaign – don’t F*** that up as well!

          • Wessex Man

            No one could prove your point because there is no point to UKSteve- you are a classic dumb pri**- one of those foolish people who believes they pocess an enlarged brain then open their mouth or in your case post a comment and prove

            they have an empty skull.

          • UKSteve

            …who can make a point superbly, while constructing valid sentences in the English language.

            As I said….

            “….pre-literate, pig-ignorant, window-licking retards…”

          • Rallan

            I’m intrigued. You’re obviously deliberately being a provocative @rsehole. So what’s the idea? What are you trying to achieve?

            Regardless of the topic, being as over the top and insulting as you are is only going to excite reaction, it’s never going to convince anyone. Clearly you aren’t trying to convince anyone.

            So what is the point? Are you being paid to increase page activity? Or are you just a bored keyboard warrior looking for a fight?

          • UKSteve

            I’m intrigued. You’re obviously deliberately being a provocative @rsehole.”

            And you’ll have to stay that way due to your obnoxiousness, belligerence and childishness.

            I don’t have to convince people – the intelligent ones are convinced – as they have been for years.

            And you accuse me of being provocative? Self-awareness gene a stranger to your family’s pool, is it? No wonder UKIP’s results looked the way they did, judging by some of the posts of it supporters on Disqus. Like you.

          • Rallan

            Ha ha! Whatever, dumbass.

          • UKSteve

            Proving – AGAIN! – my point to perfection.

            Love the consistency, BTW.

          • Rallan

            Really? Gosh. How does it prove your point?

          • UKSteve

            See….! Told you, readers 🙂 .

          • Rallan

            What did you tell the readers?

    • matt2568

      Not halved. Zero victories. UKIP failed in every seat. Carswell only got back in on his personal vote.

      Farage himself only succeeded in uniting the country against him.

      • Wessex Man

        you are as silly as UKSteve four million voted Ukip, next time it will be eight/nine million.

  • Bluebottle

    Ah…Breitbart London. Much funnier than Newsthump, but with less actual news.

    • I think I can see your problem now.

      • Bluebottle

        Yes…they have an utter sense of humour problem (unless I’m mistaken and they actually take themselves seriously as news site?). Thing is, I was criticising them on their own site, but now I have to do it elsewhere.

        • UKSteve

          So many people posting seemingly harmless, well-pointed pieces have been banned, It is a joke site.

          • Bluebottle

            I can’t claim mine were well-pointed! They were inoffensive, though.

          • UKSteve

            I’ve seen your stuff, you do good work! 🙂

  • MrJones

    The neocons were always going to try to infiltrate and steer Ukip into a particular direction and that battle was always going to be damaging.

    However the underlying conditions i.e. the deliberate and ongoing destruction of this country, are so extreme it should mean Ukip will weather the storm.

  • Aaron Boone

    ‘He describes a friendly meeting with Rupert Murdoch (‘We are both outsiders who despise the establishment’)’

    *cries with laughter*

  • Buddah Dave

    Farage courted and was courted by Murdoch and the inventors of the Teabaggers the Koch brothers. They have been trying to extend thier reach into the UK for years. First the EDL and Tommy Robinson via Pam Geller then Dowson and Golding and then Farage and UKIP. Be ready for another far-right, ‘astroturf ‘peoples’ movement to replace them.

  • Comrade Pootie

    The next EU-scandal is always right around the corner. UKIP will be relevant once again.

  • therealguyfaux

    Just a minor factual quibble about Andrew Breitbart: If there was any paranoia, as opposed to general head-scratching) about his untimely death, it had more to do with the fact that a lab tech who had participated in AB’s autopsy was dead within weeks of that autopsy of a seemingly unnaturally high arsenic level in his system. It’s just these little things that prompt the more suspicious (American broadcaster) Alex Jones types to cry foul play– “There are NO coincidences, Scully…” springs to mind.

  • Magic_Man

    Is that Jesus in the background?

  • ethanedwards2002

    Don’t care for the He said, she said, ‘cult of the idiot tweet’ style rubbish.
    The EU issue is what’s important here and UKIP are the only party that has right position on the EU issue. None of this dissuades me from voting UKIP at all and every opportunity without fail.
    I rather suspect quite a few fellow kippers would agree with that. Tory and Tory lite parties are simply not what we need.
    The GE has given Camoron enough rope to hang himself..and with his twisty U turny flippy flopping that is exactly what he is currently proceding to do.
    As for the Tory lite party …more PIE Harriet?

  • WirralBill

    “Farage suggested that the NHS should not treat foreigners with Aids.” [actually, HIV]

    Every 50,000 people with HIV costs £1 billion to treat. Two-thirds of the UK’s 110,000 diagnosed HIV patients come from overseas.

    Open-door immigration makes it very sensible for anyone with HIV to come to the UK and NONE of the main party leaders are prepared to make a hard-headed stand on this, or any other issue, that requires politicians to act in the interests of the people of this country.

    Farage’s point was correct, in this instance.

    • mohdanga

      Like I said to another poster, a completely illogical and destructive policy that is continued for fears of politicians having someone call them a ‘racist’ for having the temerity to suggest that someone with a highly communicable disease, which is extremely expensive to treat, be denied entry to the UK. As if the countries these spongers come from would allow infected people to come into theirs. Mind boggling. The West is doomed.

    • GraveDave

      No because the left and the right are too busy blaming smokers and fat people and the aged for NHS costs..

  • Sean L

    If diverging strategic views constitutes meltdown the other major parties must have already vaporised. But I agree that adopting American Tea party rhetoric is ill-advised, even counterproductive.

    • Clive

      Anyway, you can’t see Russia from here, even on a clear day

      • pkaboo

        Clive … why do you perpetuate the left’s drooling idiocy by obviously alluding to the unfunny tina fey’s SNL line that Palin could see Russia from her house … when, in fact, Palin said, “You can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska”??

        I see from another of your posts, you’ve joined up with UKIP. I hope you don’t typify their membership, or your UKIP will be torpedoed more viciously by your thoroughly leftist media than the TEA Party was here in the states.

  • David davis

    Things will get worse , in the fullness of time, in Westminster and the UK. But at least Labour won’t govern for five years which gives us old people a bit of a breathing-space. UKIP will come back as soon as enough people see through the BBC properly and realise that the referendum – which Cameron didn’t want – will be rigged.

    • GraveDave

      They will still be blaming Labour though. I’ve never known any Tory to ever admit to making mistakes or getting it wrong. Not even IDS.

  • matt2568

    Something very definitely went wrong in the run up to the election and the campaign itself.
    I’m a UKIP member but probably wont renew. Tired of being the bad guy.

    • Clive

      I’ve just become a UKIP member having voted for them

      We’ve only just begun

  • George Burnett

    “Farage’s political star is fading and his party is a mess”.
    It is not HIS party !

    • Bluebottle

      Someone may need to tell him

  • Mike Dixon

    What a sympathetic piece eh? For those who may have missed the tendentious element of the article, reflect on these phrases:
    Ukip’s sudden meltdown;Ukip seemed to fall apart; mysteriously rich right-wing website;Breitbart, was a charismatic muckraker;Breitbart became essential reading for embittered American right-wingers; ‘Any criticism of the sainted Farage was completely banned;
    There are more examples and I am sure readers will discover them without too much difficulty.

  • c777

    All of the political parties except the “center progressive” Conservatives are in the process of re organisation after the election, if you wish to see some real vicious infighting I suggest you try Liebour, eh?

  • Corbus

    Jeremy Irons remonstrating behind the two football managers

  • UKIP Voter

    The tide of growing pains with a new party versus the deviousness and wealth of the established. Nothing last forever, not even the Conservative party

  • By ‘Chamber Pot : “There is no UKIP meltdown”

    Hmm. £!/2 Million in the Red.
    Senior figures backgrounded.
    Nigel Resigns/Unresigns.
    Donors state no more cash available.
    Polls drop to 8%.
    No dissenting voices left in positions of authority after the Ukip cull.

    …. Yup, that’s pretty much a meltdown.

  • CortexUK

    Look at the pathetic little Lady Macbeth, he’s even bought the same coat as his crush. Like a mentally unstable 14 year old fan girl.

    • Bluebottle

      Yup…and Farage so in loved the fawning that he couldn’t see how embarrassing he had become.

    • GraveDave

      he’s even bought the same coat as his crush. Like a mentally unstable 14 year old fan girl.

      I went back and looked and you’re dead right. Hilarious.

  • CortexUK

    Can someone ask Kassam why his previous employers at The Commentator sacked him, banned him from their offices, and reported him to the police? And why the Henry Jackson Society declines to answer why their staff are banned from all contact with him? And why, a day after he returned to Breitbart, they started publishing personal attacks on UKIP people such as Evans and Carswell, masquerading as articles – but without the name of any author in the byline? And why Messrs. Delingpole and Yiannopoulos, Breitbart’s two best writers, threatened to walk out within one week of Kassam returning?

    I did ask these questions at Breitbart, but it got me banned.

  • George Burnett

    Apart from the fact that Carswell is NOT “isolated”and the suggestion that the party is a “mess” there’s little that’s wrong with this article.
    We are not the “bunch of ragtag people who let Nigel down” as Kassam insists on calling us.
    We all know exactly who DID “let Nigel down” !
    Suzanne Evans WAS “removed”on orders from the Waterloo battlefield as he “confronted Napoleon” and the name of the official who carried out the instructions is “redacted”,
    Could we now be given the name of the “official” who issued those instructions, as if it wasn’t obvious ?
    I shall, of course, be watching the talented Suzanne, who wrote OUR manifesto, on TV this evening, knowing that she can be trusted to do an excellent job.

    • CortexUK

      Not only our manifesto, but probably the best manifesto released by a UK political party in decades, and the only one to be costed by an independent body. Something dodgy wideboys like Kassam like to ignore.

      • Tim Reed

        Agreed – the proof of the quality of the manifesto was that no one could find any fault with it, apart from a chump of a journalist at The Telegraph whose analysis appeared to consist solely of looking at the pictures.

        If there had been even minor holes in the document, the media would have pounced in an instant.

        Suzanne Evans deserves much credit for this, and, as George says above, she’s also a reliable performer in the media. To sideline her permanently would have been a serious error.

  • Terence Hale

    “The transatlantic flirtation behind Ukip’s sudden meltdown”. This is a classical Newheimer’s disease or commonly called cricket bat concussion and usually starts slowly and gets worse over time. The most common early symptom is difficulty in
    remembering recent events, short-term memory loss and includes problems with
    language, disorientation including easily getting lost, mood swings, loss of
    motivation, not managing self-care, and behavioral issues. The usual treatment
    is an intravenous injections of common sense.

  • ArchiePonsonby

    This article seems to be more about Breitbart than UKIP! What’s the matter Speccer, peeved at someone else occupying the ground which used to be yours? (When, incidentally, you were far, far more readable than now!)

    • Vinnie

      true. I’m all about Breitbart these days. Speccy is still good reading for the “thinking” woman or man though.

      • GraveDave

        Like ‘Shazza’ you mean.

    • GraveDave

      It upset James Delingpole.I thought James was made of sterner stuff.

  • George Burnett

    Suzanne Evans, the woman whom the petulant dictator Farage wanted to be silenced is doing a grand job on Question Time.
    It’s time he bowed out and shut up !

  • GraveDave

    (The coroner said heart failure; some of Breitbart’s keenest admirers say that he was poisoned by Barack Obama’s secret agents, which says something about them.)

    Yes, perish the thought. As if undercover America would do such a thing.
    I doubt Obama himself was even mentioned though.

  • hdb

    I love the attempt to whip up jealousy by mentioning the Westminster flat that went with Kassam’s job.

  • MrSottobanco

    I’ll printing out this article for the sole purpose of wiping my soiled a. sphincter with it. I can’t believe the partisan hack who wrote it enjoys employment. Further, how does the website remain in existence?

    • George Burnett

      How about finding fault with any point actually made.
      Apart from the fact that UKIP is NOT a mess and Carswell is NOT isolated, the sequence of events is substantially accurate.

      • MrSottobanco

        Pure partisan gall.
        For you: Aside from this looney idea and that looney idea we shouldn’t consider the writer a looney.

  • George Burnett

    Wake up fellow “kippers” this piece is 99% accurate.
    There are two parties involved.
    The UK Tea Party controlled by Steve Bannon with 3 members Kassam, Farage and Richardson.
    The United Kingdom Independence Party with Douglas Carswell as its MP, with Steve Crowther as its Chairman and with Suzanne Evans as Deputy Chairman.
    Time to get behind the REAL UKIP !

    • Bluebottle

      No that Fox have binned the ever more batsh&t Sarah Palin, perhaps The Great One can get a sinecure there?

      • Derigitable

        Hitting the bottle a little early, aren’t we?

        • Bluebottle

          It’s Friday – I can’t help it if you are a lightweight ; )

  • Singularis

    There is certainly some truth in regards to bad decisions in HQ, I had countless activists saying as much to me and questioning the messaging somewhat. I guess it is different for those who hold office in UKIP and/or stood as candidates as they get a far clearer view from the inside than a supporter does which is why some may disagree, things always look different from the outside looking in.
    That said, despite the mistakes that may have been made, I feel that the party and those people Nigel promoted a while ago have shown real backbone in riding out the infighting – as one colleague said to me, it is progress that nobody has stormed off to form yet another anti-EU party, unlike years gone by when it was the done thing.
    I am hopeful though. Mark Reckless is a smart cookie and a good appointment to handle policy ( also very much expected for some time ), the EU referendum will give the party a chance to remind itself why it came into being and a great many people new to politics have ‘had their first rodeo’ during this election. Experience has real value.
    I have a sneaking suspicion that post-referendum Nigel will go on to do something different, lord knows he has earned it and at that point the future of UKIP will be decided one way or another. I wouldnt be suprised if Godfrey Bloom pops up at some point either, he has been coming out strongly in support of certain individuals of late and some of his views on where the party is right now have not been entirely inaccurate. Time will tell, but it is far from beyond repair, although I would agree that the future direction, as yet undecided, will be crucial.

  • mikewaller

    In spite of his occasional outbreaks of lucidity and insight, I have always had profound reservations about James Delingpole’s grip on reality. Those doubts have now been replaced by conviction that his grip in that context is at very best tenuous.

    • Bluebottle

      “occasional outbreaks of lucidity and insight”…you mean he does a good TV review?

      • mikewaller

        For the most part, but I did think that his report on his recent visit to the Ukraine showed some signs of humanity and even common sense.

  • Howard

    Look, another long-winded (desperate) hatchet job against Farage and UKIP. How thrilling. What’s so ghoulish about the American right? Thatcher had great relations with Reagan. They wanted the same thing back then: small government, low taxes, a strong economy. And they want the same thing now: immigration control, cultural regeneration, and secure borders.

    • Mary Ann

      Along with people who cannot afford health care, sounds like the American way.

      • Wessex Man

        You silly girl go check TTIP which you mob support and UKip opposes.

  • I write for Breitbart and was a candidate for Ukip at the European elections – and I don’t recognise any of this. We certainly weren’t banned from criticising Farage.

    I cancelled my subscription to the Spectator some months ago as it was clear that this magazine, which has a long and proud history of conservative thought, has become little more than a Ukip-baiting rag (and champion of liberal ‘Conservatism’ under Cameron’). What a shame.

    • Mary Ann

      You mean that they are no longer so extreme right wing? It makes them more sensible.

  • drofmanythings

    What an unfair take on contemporary conservatives! This Spectator article uses terms like radical-right and right-winger over 20 times without acknowledging the true radicals of the political spectrum, the self-righteous progressives who want to control and transform everything. The people of Europe and America are weary of having all their decisions made for them in the manner of an offbeat, patronizing father who knows best about everything all the time. Conservatives simply want to conserve. They aren’t radicals, they just oppose the flurry of cockamamy programs and expenditures driven by ideological elitists to enforce rules we do not want or need. It is the people of the left who are the radical control-freak censors who are simply blinded by unworkable ideology that must sound grand on paper. The left is ruining good culure and economies everywhere with little appreciation that their programatic blunders almost always have adverse consequences. Let it be.

  • conservIN

    LOL Spectators bias on full display with obviously no real understanding of the issues in America.

    • WFC

      So far as British SJWs are concerned, America is a country inhabited for the most part, by ignorant overweight Neanderthal red-necks who are skilled only at tying nooses and shooting guns at each other, a smaller group of terrified minorities, who spend their whole lives living in fear of being lynched and/or shot, and a very thin elite layer of people who went to a good enough university to qualify as being honorary Britons (almost).

      British SJWs are also very anti-racist, anti-judgmental, and despise people who stereotype other people.

  • Derigitable

    Wait a sec. Didn’t we just read headlines in the Brit media about the death of the Liberals? I’m sure the UKIP had absolutely no bearing on that, at all……mmm-hmmm.

  • SamVaughn

    You can tell the author is a propagandist. I’ve learned to spot it now. Any disagreement or dissent from the liberal elite thought track is immediately met with paranoid nut-job”. Example, Muslims we have to “understand” their anger what drives them to unspeakable acts of barbarism. Whereas any grievance from conservatives or libertarians is met with threats of incarceration or worse for “hate speech” only they can define. Welcome to dystopia.

  • Mary Ann

    What’s ukip going to call itself if Britain is ever foolish enough to leave the EU?

    • If you want foolish try looking in a mirror. The sooner the eu is disbanded the better off the entire planet will be.

    • Wessex Man

      Fullfilled? and ready for our next challenge of wiping out the Lib/dums and Labour whilst holding the Tories to account

      • Mary Ann

        Yes but what will they call themselves.

        • Wessex Man

          We will call ourselves UKip, duh!

  • WFC

    Remember the days when journalists would set out the facts and leave it to the reader to decide what to make of them?

    This article may be factually accurate, for all I know, but the extensive use of subjective “trigger” words suggests to me that, the author may well have decided what his conclusion was going to be long before he started looking for some facts to support it.

  • Joe_NS

    It’s amazing to read all the comments posted thus far and realize that the propulsive force behind this bulls*t essay is not analysis of UKIP but rather, tedious, boring, and rancid anti-Americanism.

    The authors are laughing.

  • bubba60609

    Sounds like the Spectator has a similar problem with the right as does all of the MSM in the U.S. By whining about UKIP, they also seem to be saying how great, level-headed, legit and wonderful the left is in the UK, that only the right is problematic. They are obviously jealous of their successes, their funding and the fact that sometimes, they even use some of the left’s tactics. They simply sound like the homely girl who got dumped for a hottie. Cry on, babies.

  • PerplexedSardine

    UKIP have rather shot themselves in the foot since the election. They have made themselves look like squabbling amateurs (irrespective of whether this is actually the case). Whether UKIP can survive will depend on how well it recognises that its support is coming from socially conservative former Labour voters as much if not more than disenchanted Tories (I say this as someone formerly of the Tory camp).

    If it is able to successfully position itself as conservative in the British fashion (i.e. socially and economically) – rather than in the American one (socially conservative, economically liberal) – and continue to get the above former Labour voters to recognise this distinction, it might even survive the likely “In” result of the referendum…

    • Wessex Man

      Don’t you worry so if we will survive, we will all 3.9 million of us!

      • SNP “AJOCKALYPSE”

        UKIP (BNP) are finished.

        SNP 56

      • Mary Ann

        of which 429,000 don’t want to leave the EU IPOS Mori

        • Wessex Man

          Would that be the famous poli masters predicting a massive Labour majority?

  • SNP “AJOCKALYPSE”

    It just amazes me that UKIP (BNP) managed to get as many as 1.8% of the Scottish electorate to vote for them in GE2015.

    • Wessex Man

      That’s because you are an ignorant racist clown that it amazes you that UKip got as many as 1,8% of the Scottish Electorate to vote for us.

      If you can mange it, you never know, look up how the % BNP actually manged to get, you will see that BNP is in another catergory, along with people like you who have made the lifes of Scottish people who dared to vote no a misery.

      • SNP “AJOCKALYPSE”

        ha…ha…. Weesex true to form !

        • Wessex Man

          Scotland don’t want you, you dic*****! that’s why they voted no!

          • SNP “AJOCKALYPSE”

            ha…ha…..Weesex…….What a belter you are !!

            The epitome of a UKIP (BNP) knuckle-dragger !… Nothing if not good for a laugh !!

  • Walknot

    “Breitbart’s site was generating huge amounts of online traffic when suddenly, at the age of 43, he dropped dead. (The coroner said heart failure; some of Breitbart’s keenest admirers say that he was poisoned by Barack Obama’s secret agents, which says something about them.)”

    You left out the interesting parts, like:
    Breitbart died after stating that he had videos on Barack Obama that would end his political career.
    The coroner who investigated Andrew’s death, died two months after from Arsenic Poisoning.

    So please, don’t try and make it sound like there was no suspicious circumstances surounding Andrew’s death and that those who identify those circumstances as some kind of nut jobs.

  • Darkheart11

    These Brits really have no IDEA what they are talking about.

    The fellow who wrote this, first he is so confused I stopped reading once I realized he was inventing things out of whole cloth. Second he convinced me he does not even know where America is even located much less what goes on it.

    • Chamber Pot

      It is called being a Tory shill.

      • Darkheart11

        That and a total fool.

  • Muawiyah

    Third party politics in a single member district system is always a murky mess. Remember, even in UK you need only get 50%+1 more vote to WIN. That’s what you shoot for district by district by awful district.

    Multi member districts are a different story. There you just need to get more votes than anybody else, and there’ll be a lot of “anybody elses” since it is in the nature of a multimember district system to foster MULTIPLE PARTIES.

    With the UK having one system and the European Parliament having another (jokingly called “an open list”) the overlay has its stresses and strains. A winning party for the EU may be utterly rejected for Parliament.

    Hmm ~ did that happen?

    The solution is to create multimember districts, or kick the EU out of Britain.

    Then you can go instantly back to a two party system with an upper crust overlay that says it’s a party but isn’t really.

    Time to yield the Midlands to the Pakis too. That’s the way you break their iron grip on the sensitivities of the UK. Just transfer the greater part of the area they populate to Pakistan. Voila ~ no more Islamofascism among the voters. (There are smaller enclaves ~ no reason you can’t cantonize them and transfer them to Pakistan’s system as well)

    I know nobody would like that ~ but did you realize that the overarching reality of UK political life is the fact that your native born Brit emigration rate is the greatest it’s been in all UK history! We do not look forward to having to accept a large block of English speaking refugees when that whole mess caves in.

  • Cunagonda

    As a Ukip voter, I no longer read the Spectator, a rotten magazine anyway, distrust the biased BBC, and Breitbart, which is a Tory vehicle. All I know is that Cameron and the BBC seem to be in command and running the whole show of lies. All the so-called Eurosceptics bleat on about that bore Dyson and a few other old bores running the out campaign. They cannot be serious.

    • SNP “AJOCKALYPSE”

      “As a UKIP (BNP) voter, I no longer read the Spectator”.

      ha….ha…… You’re an absolute belter !

  • yo

    Had a few insulting words for the American Tea Party, which is certainly the norm for mainstream media in the US. News flash, the American Tea Party is a whole bunch of common people who are classic Republicans. They want small government because they to run their own lives instead of being told what to think, what to buy, what to eat, what to drink, what to wear, and whom to worship. They don’t want their children indoctrinated in school, and don’t think 5 year olds need sex education. They want their borders secure and their government to stop lying and oppressing them with 200 to 500 more regulations every single week! They want a balanced budget and fiscal accountability.

  • Mitre Ultimax

    I take issue with snarling Freddy Gray and Sebastian Payne characterization that the U.S. Tea Party is “an incoherent and elusive movement.” The Tea Party is made up of fiscal, social, foreign policy/defence True Conservatives, which more than can be said for Europhile Left-protofascist EU Euro-socialism Tories who during Cameron’s reign have followed pro-EU Obama’s Alinsky Rules For Radicals lead by capitulating to the Left readily.
    From experience, whenever the Tea Party hathers, it always leaves the venue spotless. After a Tea Party march on Washington DC, the Mall was left clean. Tea Partiers always clean up after themselves. By comparison, the Democrats Left always leaves it’s events looking like a pig sty. Well, at least the Democrats keep trash collectors employed.
    Personal habits and responsible, respectful treatment of property at Tea Party events distinguishes the movement from any other political group. Gray and Payne show their self-loathing ignorance by their snarling jealousy of anything American by their anything but empirical characterization of the U.S. Tea Party.

    • waynesteapartyworld

      Thank you for that accurate portrayal, MU. You are exactly correct. We in the Tea Party are regular, working, generous, tolerant American patriots, whose greatest sin is that we threaten the power of the Permanent-Political-Class in D.C. of both Parties, and thus are constantly attacked and smeared by previous, and also by their propagandists in the so-called “MSM”.

      • Mitre Ultimax

        …and the U.S. Supreme Court under this POTUS reflects the cesspit of poisoned culture he brings to the office.

  • John Smith

    The Spectator & conspiracy theories .. .

  • Golden Rule

    Interesting article.

  • Lady Magdalene

    UKIP has always been “a mess.” That’s what small, insurgent parties tend to be like.
    In fact, it isn’t in as much of “a mess” as it was a couple of years ago.
    And it isn’t going away.

  • Chris

    When The Spectator and its stable mate, The Telegraph, stop doing derogatory articles about UKIP then said party might be in “meltdown”. Until then however, it’s pretty obvious that The Tories and their pals in the media still fear them.

  • freethinker14

    So the spectator is firmly pro EU then. It would have been far simpler to simply be honest and come out and say so. All this anti UKIP stuff is only aiding the out campaign.

    • Bluebottle

      Why so? The two are separate matters, surely?

  • dukas

    Did Freddy and Sebastian, go to journalism school, or take a writing class? Two adverb hacks, like babies still in the womb trying to hook their readers with the propaganda contained in a word and not in thought.

  • David

    Ukip’s central message remains strong, increasingly relevant and attractive.
    Yes Ukip has made mistakes, but what organisation hasn’t ?
    Ukip core support is sticking with it and it will surge again.

  • styants64

    It is UKIP for me I hate what the liberal labour Tory scum have inflicted on our country, I detest them to such a degree I can taste it I hope they rot in some kind of hell.

    • Chris

      Here here!

  • philosopher

    I read Farage’s article on the mess in Calais with immigrants jumping into or onto lorries and how to deal with illegal immigration and found his comments intelligent and to the point. I have been saying for quite some time that Australia dealt with illegals in a direct and effective way by advertising where the illegals lived and telling them what life in Australia would be like and how they would be treated. It probably helps that Australia backed up those words with action and thus, the boat invasion / flood of illegals was dealth with in an honest and direct manner.

    The UK should do the same thing: advertise in North African countries and show people they will live in tent cities and possibly have to beg and maybe even be forced to eat pork or non-halal meat.

  • Sean L

    I just listened to the tape – can’t sleep. The way he says “Obscurity beckons”, I just thought tw@t.

  • Mode4

    What had happened to Farage. The once amiable, likeable patriot had been replaced be a thin skinned, aggressive… It’s so true, my wife asked me why he was behaving like an arse and I told her he must be sick. It was a terrible judgement call by Farage to hop on the tea party bandwagon and do the shock and awe rubbish. If he had just been himself they may have got many more millions of votes. He’s a good orator but he’s lost a lot of credibility with his resign and un-resign act. You can’t say I’m not like all the others and then become like all the others. Suzanne Evans should take over and they would draw broader support.

    • George Burnett

      Spot On !

  • zoid

    i have to say that i now head to breitbart before i look at either the speccy or the sad, bedwetting, wannabe-progressive farce which the daily bellylaugh has become…

    …our right of centre media is blairite at best and not providing any bulwark against the liberal, right-on tendencies of the grauniad/indy thoughtpolice or all of our on screen news outlets…

    …we need shock and awe to shake up the tory party and turn it back into a party of the right…

  • LenaZoes

    At a time when Islamic extremism is on the rise i think ukip centrists will regret its war with Raheem Kassam.

    Raheem studied at Westminster University which has been criticised for hosting hate preachers and is where Jihadi John studied. Raheem is pro-American, anti-corporatist and supports small government.

    Whatever office politics may have taken place, it’s worrying to see Ukip try and turn a young Muslim man like Raheem into some villain simply because he rejects ukip’s lurch to the centre ground and into another ultra Blarite politically correct party.

    The trouble with centrists is that their principles quickly go out of the window as their only concern is winning at any cost.

  • Ποια είναι αλήθει

    All bow down to the Purple Headed Warrior, St Nigel of Farage

  • JoleneWScott

    …. Some time hit the spectator Find Here

  • ManOfKent

    Is this the Spectator’s entry for the William Joyce prize for the most desperate fabricated piece of misrepresentative propaganda of the year?

    It is just so awfully bad in terms of its infantile self-indulgent sneering and smearing it might just win it. Goebbels would be proud of his spiritual progeny.

    Westminster Calling, Westminster Calling

    • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

      (You lost).

  • American_cavalier

    Typical hatchet job by the Establishment Press. Full of innuendo, disinformation, misinformation, and provocation. It leaves unanswered accusations leveled by UKIP about campaign violations in a manner met to discredit the Party rather than show the illegitimacy of the BBC Electoral Board. The bias of the article was so transparent that it merely proves to a substantial body of the electorate fed up with the shenanigans of the current Establishment as well as UKIP supporters that they are on to something: The Establishment is scared and using its power un democratically to suppress anyone opposed to its UnBritish agenda. God Save the Queen!

    • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

      You lost.

      • American_cavalier

        And another enforcer of the gangster left shows his blockhead ed innumeracy. More voters for UKIP than Liberal Democrats is a win. Soon they will have more members than the Conservative Party. And they will come and crush you!

        • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

          “More voters for UKIP than Liberal Democrats is a win. ”

          Not in this country, old fruit. You lost an MP. 🙁

          “they will come and crush you!”

          With boredom.

          • American_cavalier

            Add illiterate to innumerancy. The article specifically states they received twice as many votes as the SUPREMELY boring Liberal Democrats. Since you can’t read take my word for it then.

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            Yes but if you actually knew about my country (UK), you would know that UKIP lost an MP, one of two.

            In our system, the number of votes is immaterial.

            Is there anything else you’d like to know about world politics?

          • American_cavalier

            When you were still pulling The Sun out of the trash to look at page 3 girls, because you thought was the news, I was monitoring and running campaigns in your country. As to world politics, I can tell you that thanks to your superiors your once great country is less powerful than Pakistan. But that is what the objective was isn’t it?

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            No, if you had been running campaigns in my country, you’d know that the number of votes is immaterial and that we have a first past the post system which your (?) UKIP fell foul of, losing one of their two representatives.

            I don’t have any superiors, you great pudding.

          • American_cavalier

            FTP? You don’t say? Really, why I never knew? Of course we are talking about votes not MPs, but why argue about pudding. It’s all kind squishy in London anyways.

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            “FTP? You don’t say? ”

            🙂 Almost. Remember accuracy for your ‘monitoring’.

          • American_cavalier

            Arguing over typing are we? Lose the law argue the facts? Lose the facts argue pudding?

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            The facts say that they lost 50% of their representation. You harping on the votes cast changes nothing.

            I can help you with your home work, if you like.

            The head of the Government is called ‘the King’ and he appoints the generals and composers.

          • American_cavalier

            Harping in the sky is what the Conservative Party is going to be doing soon should UKIP “lose another election” and double their voters. Liberal Democrats will simply be playing cricket in exile at Barbados. As to generals and composers I listen to only one particular tune.

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            Is it ‘Yummy, Yummy, Yummy, I Got Love In My Tummy’ by 1910 Fruitgum Company?

            Anyway, I’m sorry to break it to you that losing half your representation is a bad thing, in our system.

            Are the UKIPs in league with the Yanks, then?

          • American_cavalier

            Outdated intel but I will take the song simply because your asking. Votes start making a difference at this point. We hope to see UKIP shiv off some Conservatives in upcoming elections. That will set the Nottingham Hill set back on their heels and open up opportunities elsewhere.

            If I could hit some sense into Cameron over a bottle of wine I would. May has gone full on British rabid she wolf and is taking away everyone’s rights after the next Jihadi, IRA attack or should some English lad defend himself from Yardies and kill one.

            The Yanks over here are in league with Conmen, and Blairites. I wouldnt trust the Establishment here for any reason. Look how bad their screwing America up. Nonetheless most and all Patriots in agreement to break-up Strasbourg with extreme prejudice. Don’t worry there is fall back options which will make sense once their are fleshed out of decayed body of the EU.

            Only Patriots on this side of the pond sincerely support UKIP. Some bad actors in bad faith, undoubtedly. I look for them. But there are some Tories we like. But no one really likes the LibDems. Everyone considers them euthanasia doctors for the British Realm. Maybe for that reason Obama might support him. Either way, there hasn’t been this much change and upheaval since along time. I’d keep my options open working with the growing nationalist movements. Otherwise they could overtake and who knows who will be in their drivers seat if options weren’t discussed before hand.

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            The Liberals won’t be euthanasing anybody, thank God because they are as dead as the British/English nationalists.

            I agree that they would if they could.

            I’m sorry to break it to you about UKIP but the jig is up. If we vote ‘in’ to the EU they are dead, if we vote ‘out’, they are also dead.

          • American_cavalier

            Don’t mistake my word of nationalists for republicans. I purely speaking about nationalism in the widest sense. I know the pin stripe and gin crows either denies it’s existence or hates it, but nationalism is the wave of the future. That includes nations as small as Basque to as large as England. It’s a good thing you named them “Countries” rather than nations, because it could all get away from you if thing s get to “nationalistic.” Nonetheless it is the wave of the future not just because it is a fact of history, but because for things coming down the road, it maybe the last citadel to flee too so to speak. Best make sure you got the right guys in there ahead of time. Otherwise John Bull and his beer drinking mates will be justified in locking you all out and leaving you to the wolves. As to UKIP, it’s just a symptom of a movement. See what I wrote before. Make friends with it, consider and resolve it’s grievances, perhaps even learn a thing or two. Treating as a mere fad or Establishment experiment, is both arrogant and foolish. The future 10 to 20 years won’t be kind to either let alone both in the West. Next time Iam in London I will look you up in Nottingham Hill. Cheers.

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            “nationalism is the wave of the future. ”

            No, it was the wave of the nineteenth century.

            UKIP are funded and populated in order to change the policy of the Conservative and Unionist Party. They’ve taken it as far as it goes.

            Your soothsaying is particularly gloomy. I’m not sure where it gets us.

          • American_cavalier

            I agree it probably wont look like 19th century Nationalism, but Nationalism it still will be. Nationalism comes in various shapes and sizes like a dog. But you still know what it is when you see it.

            “King Henry and St George” didn’t come from the 19th century. It came from the 1400s. What tume period the English two finger bird came from wasn’t 19th century Punch it was from the 14th century fields of Crecy. Italian nationalism whether as a Patriot of Florence in the 1200s, or a Garibaldi Patriot in the 19th century, still is Italian nationalism.

            The last time there wasn’t nationalism in Europe was under the Imperial Roman Empire. Every common man despised that Empire and there was constant rebellion, mini civil wars, and finally the whole thing collapsed on its rotten self.

            Recreating a neo Roman Empire in the form of the EU has confirmed the worst fears of the most laughably sterotypical images of millenialist Christians, Conspiracy Theorists and Libertarian Patriots, that one wonders if nationalism could’ve found a better friend.

            Best to recognize nationalism an imminent volcano explosion and get prepared than laugh it off as so many tourists visiting Pompey 2000 years ago. Nothing you can do to stop it. Trying to stop it will only make it worse and possibly wipe out what remains of British if not Western civilization.

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            Nationalism does not motivate English or British peoples’ politics.

          • American_cavalier

            Ha ha ha ha. Just reading how you tried to write that without contradicting yourself is hilarious. So if the English aren’t motivating by Nationalism, is that a national characteristic? And attempting to not reference British Nationalism and thus association with the BNP or insulting the nationalism of the other nations who really arent, or worrying non-British colonists with visions of Britannia Kulturkampf, was funny. The Establishment on both sides of the Atlantic never cease to amuse us with their constant riposte of language to fit politically correct sensibility. It reminds us of the last days of the ruling communist parties in Eastern Europe. Read that again: The last days…..

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            If you can see British or English nationists in this country, perhaps you can say where they are because I reckon they are pretty quiet.

          • American_cavalier

            There is at least 3.9 million of them. They are called the UKIP. Ouch.

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            No, you don’t seem to know much about my country or about UKIP. They have about a tenth of the members that you think they have and they are drawn from a wide variety of political positions.

            I can tell you all about my country, if you like.

            The Beatles first name was ‘The Beefles’ after George’s insatiable desire for roasted beef, a condition that was only overcome when he started visiting India.

            The Triumph Badger was the world’s only production sports car with three wheels.

          • American_cavalier

            Do you mix anti Attention Deficit Disorder Drugs with your drinks. You are all over the place. Stay on target. Read my lips and repeat: “Yes England has nationalists. They are called the UKIP.” Now be a doll and look in the mirror and say that t-w-e-n-t-y times and get back to me.

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            “Read my lips and repeat: “Yes England has nationalists. They are called the UKIP.” ”

            No. Read my lips. The ‘UK’ in UKIP stands for United Kingdom. That precludes the party from accusations of English nationalism, as it is clearly a unionist party.

            You know naff all about anything, you prune.

          • American_cavalier

            That’s all UKIP is part of presently for the simple reason its all the United Kingdom extends de facto, thanks to YOU people. Ergo English nationalists.

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            No, there is no configuration of English where that sentence makes any sense.

            England is not the United Kingdom. United Kingdom Independence Party. Not England Independence Party. Geddit?

            Now, further to your education, do you remember your study notes from yesterday? The boss of England is called ‘the King’ and he is the one who decides what colour the football teams play in.

          • American_cavalier

            Oh so now who is ignorant? The boss of England is called the King? What, King George VI? Didn’t he pass back in the fifties? Scotland has its Parliament, in which all British realm based parties have been purged from any influence. So essentially the so called members of UKIP really are centered on England. Of course there is “Ulster”. Also known as Northern Ireland it’s mini parliamentary government consists of with DUP, UUP, SDLP, and SF, all in various stages of “Up Yours” to naffs such as you. How do I know you are a Naff? Because the current fad of naffs, is to drop the Thames Estuary and Received Pronunciation English and go all Eastender. Bullocks!

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            “the so called members of UKIP really are centered on England”

            No, the actual members of UKIP are from the UK. The clue is in the name.

            You know nothing about Britain. It’s funny.

            The man with the flat piece of wood is called the batswarden and his job is to attempt to hit the ball at the man stood at the other end of the wicklett.

          • American_cavalier

            What so now you deny that the Countries of England and Scotland exist?

            I know nothing of Cricket. After breaking through the dense skulls of loads of naffs trying to help them save themselves, I had little time to learn the intricacies of that “English” pass-time.

            I did see once another naff play it though. Another point and sputter Leftist. He challenged a professional cricketeer. Went onto the field and lost gamely. The game played professionally is quite aggressive. That the Naff went onto the field against a professional proved why I feel I don’t waste my time with people like you. There is some hope in even the desist skull of the biggest lefty naffs in the “UK”.

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            “you deny that the Countries of England and Scotland exist?”

            No, I say that they do exist and that they are not the United Kingdom.

            “I know nothing of Cricket.”

            Or Britain, I know. It’s humerous.

          • American_cavalier

            So if the countries exist, and UKIP members are from only one of them, England, then they are an English Party. Deny that and you are a tool.

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            “the countries exist, and UKIP members are from only one of them”

            Nope. UKIP members are from all of them.

            You know nothing about my country.

          • American_cavalier

            So out of 3,900,000 party supporters in the Realm, how many are in each country? What there are 10 meeting at the Wallace Claymore and Pipes Pub in Edinburgh? Yep, it gone Realm-wide. No longer an English Party for sure now.

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            “3,900,000 party supporters”

            Neg. I think they have about forty or fifty thousand. You know nothing. Again!

          • American_cavalier

            So you really didn’t read the article did you?

            “Here’s the strange thing, though: the election was not a disaster for Ukip. It was a triumph. They won 3.9 million votes — 3 million more than in 2010, and 1.5 million more than the Liberal Democrats.”

            According to this article they have 3,900,000 supporters. So obviously you are just plain wrong. Or feel free to prove the article wrong.

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            “According to this article they have 3,900,000 supporters”

            No. According to this article, they had 3,900 000 votes. Votes are not the same as ‘supporters’. Some people vote tactically in our country because of FPTP (first past the post). That means that some enemies of UKIP vote UKIP.

            You know nothing about my country. Stop pretending that you do; it’s daft!

            🙂

          • American_cavalier

            Arguing over semantics. You can call a vote an exercise in political strategy rather than support, but It doesn’t change the fact they “supported” UKIP.

            Furthermore if you are saying these supporters are so politically savvy, that means a huge number of wise voters decided the other two major parties were daft. Doesn’t bode well for the current British Establishment of Naffs.

            Prepare for a Country Parliament in England. Prepare for an English Unionists Party. Prepare for a Federal Realm in the UK.

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            We’re not going to balkanise the country just to fit in with your uninformed views.

            You don’t understand that UKIP is not an English nationalist party and that is because we reject Emglish nationalism.

            I’m going to complain to your supervisor.

          • American_cavalier

            I do understand the UKIP is not a nationalist party. What it is, is a vehicle for English Nationalism which don’t seem to understand. English nationalism doesn’t have reresentation like the other countries. UKIP fits this quiet well. Because of the votes it received in England this further buttresses the aformentioned contention. Prove me otherwise by telling me the number of votes it got in Scotland?

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            “UKIP is not a nationalist party. What it is, is a vehicle for English Nationalism which don’t seem to understand. English nationalism doesn’t have reresentation like the other countries. UKIP fits this quiet well.”

            No because of the Scottish, Welsh and Irish members and actual supporters, as opposed to the people who voted for them who are also Scottish, Welsh and Irish.

            You don’t know anything about my country. It’s silly!

          • American_cavalier

            How many voted for them in Scotland then?

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            Clue; you are on the Public Internet. Look it up.

          • American_cavalier

            Solution. You don’t know anything worthwhile after all?

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            You didn’t know, either, you great twerp.

          • American_cavalier

            What did you say? Is the Naff saying something? Moving lips but incoherent. Apparently can’t explain why he doesn’t know something we all do.

          • American_cavalier

            Solution. You don’t know anything worthwhile after all.

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            I know that you could look it up if you wanted to know.

          • American_cavalier

            We already know. Sadly but unsurprisingly you are to scared to admit you don’t.

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            Why did you ask if you already knew?

            What’s the answer, anyway?

          • American_cavalier

            That’s your homework. Self titled: Why is the UKIP a vehicle for English Nationalism.

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            There are people who think that it is a vehicle for English nationalism but they are incorrect.

          • American_cavalier

            Prove it by finding out the ratio of voters for UKIP per country population. Now you know why it was first important to school you in the concept of country. Now, go research it.

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            It’s your bogus claim; you research it, weirdo.

          • American_cavalier

            You don’t know how to research do you? Everyone do it for ya? Ahhh. A pretty bird in a golden cage is it darlin? Chirp chirp.

          • American_cavalier

            Please do. But he will demand you arrive in a Badger triumph to prove who you are.

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            Laughable Cavalier.

          • American_cavalier

            You won’t laugh when the current Parliamentary system collapses and civil war breaks out in the streets.

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            Pathetic soothsayer. Your predictions are dull.

          • American_cavalier

            They have never been wrong before. Your servants come and talk to me at moments like this. They just don’t tell you.

          • American_cavalier

            P.S. that is “throw the ball at the man standing at the other end of the wicket.” I know what you meant. Just using this as a teachable moment of the general hypocrisy you’ve shown.

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            No, it’s as I say. The umpire has six stones in his pocket and he hurls them at the man with the plank.

            The winner is the team that has consumed the most drinks within the five days.

          • American_cavalier

            English nationalists preclude being Unionists? See that’s an example of typical naff Establishment denseness. There is absolutely no reason, nationalists can’t be Unionists. You are using a 19th century outlook on a 21st century phenomenon. Take a look at how the UUP when it dominated Stormont, was integrated into the Conservative Party. There is no reason the Conmen, can’t form clubs in England to serve as the bedrock of the future English Unionists Party. Same for Scotland. Together you would still have the Conservative and Unionists Party. Do I have to teach YOU people everything?

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            “English nationalists preclude being Unionists? ”

            Yes. Unionists are loyal to a different country; the United Kingdom.

            You’ve come a long way on basic ignorance. It’s almost admirable.

          • American_cavalier

            No, nope. The UK isn’t a country de jur. Rather England and Scotland are countries. You fellow naffs named them as such from on high.

            You are just plain wrong….on so many levels I must say.

            It’s not your fault. It’s the built in contradictions of several generations of Naff policy, followed by politicized teaching at higher education that has caused this.

            Don’t worry darlin. Together we can fix it.

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            “The UK isn’t a country de jur.”

            The UK is an actual country. You may need some remedial geography teaching.

          • American_cavalier

            No you need to be schooled….by me apparently.

            According to Acts of Parliament and official government policy, the United Kingdom (UK) comprises four Constituent countries: England, Scotland,Wales and Northern Ireland. Additionally the ISO sublist of geographic terms lists them as countries such as well. http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_3166-2_newsletter_ii-3_2011-12-13.pdf. This term country, is compiled across several government offices and departments. In turn what do they call the UK? They call it the sovereign state.

            The UK, or Union, is the State, and England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are countries. The Parliament at Westminster, is the Sovereign Parliament, or Crown in Parliament, and the Edinburgh and Stormont ones are Country Parliaments.

            Clearly, the dough is ready to have the English Country Parliament put in to bake for bread. Or you could just go on drinking and deny what is happening and see the dough turn into s++t or even burnt to cinders. You decide.

            Why do I have to tell you this? You are reasonably, even quite well informed in some areas.

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            “No”

            Yes. I’m afraid that the United Kingdom is an actual country. You know naff all! 🙂

            “You are reasonably, even quite well informed in some areas.”

            In comparison with you, anybody is. You know less about my country than any other person that I have spoken to on the Internet. You’ve turned ignorance in to an artform.

          • American_cavalier

            Go argue with your government then. They changed the terminology. England, Scotland, Northern Ireland, and Wales are countries. And there is f-all you can do about it. Unless you care to start a debate in Parliament.

            Btw, you never told me how many supporters of UKIP were in Scotland. Since I know nothing about the UK, perhaps you do? But probably not. Doesn’t fit your blinkered paradigm.

          • American_cavalier

            The UK isn’t a country but a sovereign state. England and Scotland are countries. Just as the UUP and DUP are loyal to Ulster and the Union, so can any other nationalist party in England.

            Instead of seeing this possibility you are equating nationalism in the UK with 19th century Fenian Republicanism. There is no reason the DUP and UUP couldn’t be considered nationalists. Get the possibilities….

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            UKIP are not English nationalists. Get over it.

            You know naff all.

          • American_cavalier

            And England is full of secret nationalists yearning to be free of Nafdom. 3,900,000 of them voted for UKIP.

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            No, UKIP are not English nationalists. UK stands for United Kingdom.

            I told you this already. Are you taking over from someone else?

          • American_cavalier

            I say they are. So there.

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            I know you do. You are mistaken, that’s all. Why bask in your ignorance?

          • American_cavalier

            Because its better than listening to your bulls++t.

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            If it makes you happy, you believe what you like, I suppose.

            That doesn’t mean that people are not going to call your ‘BS’ when they see it.

          • American_cavalier

            And when am I going to see you in a Badger. I am really worked up about this. I promise to introduce you to UKIPs, liaison here if you do.

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            I think Elton John still has a Triumph Badger rusting away in a shed, somewhere. Ask him to take your for a spin.

          • American_cavalier

            Only someone who took a “spin” with Elton John would know he had a Badger. Proves the rule. Naffs who flock together spin together.

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            No, I don’t know what any of that means. How long have you been speaking English? You are pretty good.

          • American_cavalier

            The Triumph Badger you say…..hmmmm. Nah. Impossible. What do you know about cars?

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            The Hillman Bader had no wheels whatsoever and the owners had to push their cars to their destinations. Sparky!

            The Austin Kestrel was constructed over a year from parts supplied in a monthly magazine.

            It happened here.

          • American_cavalier

            It happened there but then it flew away. On Baders? Nope nothing. Which is about all you can say at this point to defend your argument.

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            Oh, Lord. I have a horrible feeling that you are searching the Internet for these cars.

          • American_cavalier

            I have a terrible feeling that you will disappoint me and not show up in three wheeled triumph. I was really hoping you could be someone.

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            Yeah, I’m someone who has been educating you as to conditions in my country.

            You don’t seem to know anything.

          • American_cavalier

            Wow. Iam just going to let that word sit there. Just wow. Ok.

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            Why do speak like a Yank child? It’s like one of Lisa Simpson’s less engaged friends.

            Like bogus, dude. Just wow.

          • American_cavalier

            Are you saying you were bested by made up character?

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            Just, like, wow, dude.

            Next idiot, please!

          • American_cavalier

            …..As she said whilst looking in the mirror. No. No! NO! I said loom in the mirror and say: England is a country. Twenty times. No do it!

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            England is a country but UKIP are not English nationalists. The name of their party is the clue.

          • American_cavalier

            P.S. If you vote in, expect considerable amounts of violence reaching IRA levels, but from the English, Scottish, Irish, Ulstermen. It’s just my finger to the wind saying that, but I’ve never been wrong before.

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            You may take that finger and pick your nose with it.

            ‘Ulstermen’, indeed.

          • American_cavalier

            Well we could take the Nottingham Hill set way and describe them as consumer market Stormont buyers, and the English as Consumer Air Strip One Buyers. Fits pretty well with what the Conservative leadership thinks of their subjects err constituents. Scotland? Because of viewing the world through a wine glass drunk off your ass most of the time and only seeing countries as various corporate welfare consumer markets, the Conservatives don’t exist there anymore; except one, who remains as a kind of museum piece teaching “what happens if you ignore nationalism.”

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            You people are very free wih your opinions about our drinking. You can’t live off Diet Mr Pibb.

            You are telling me that my country is up the creek. Why? Is it your job?

          • American_cavalier

            After masses of Moslems assault returning troops of her Britannic Majesty in the streets of England, after soldiers of the Defender of the Christian Faith are beheaded in the streets outside their royal barracks by infidels, when the English shopkeeper Napoleon joked about defeating him are now replaced with head nodding Hindus, when Black Caribeans routinely make affrays into English neighborhoods, and when the Queen cannot safely tour the capital as before, and the media accepts D notices to not discuss these facts, AND if it takes me to tell you this and that your not doing your job; yes, yes, you are up the creek.

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            “the Queen cannot safely tour the capital as before, and the media accepts D notices to not discuss these facts”

            Balls.

            They haven’t been ‘D’ notices for twenty years, they are now called ‘D-A’ notices, and here is a current list which doesn’t contain your invention, of course:

            http://www.dnotice.org.uk/danotices/index.htm

            You people. Tsk.

          • American_cavalier

            Oh, Iam an old Fuddy duddy. Still use the old terms. But you forget to send the sub class used during the Blair ministry to not discuss immigration in any of the papers just prior to election campaign. As I recall it was used again in the election just prior to this recent one. What were those called? I know it wasn’t exactly even an old D notice but it operated under that system. Thanks for the exactitude and sending the link. Will need to get it right from now on talking to YOU people. Cheers.

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            And why are you pouring misery upon us from your country? Who told you to do it?

          • American_cavalier

            Ohhhh, consider me an old friend. Someone who doesn’t like to see members of his extended family pushed around and out of their owned bloody house!

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            Well, it’s hardly any of your business, is it?

          • American_cavalier

            Don’t tell me what my business is you petty tyrant. We still have the English tradition of Free Speech here even if under YOU people, it’s been practically abolished in the UK. Love the hypocrisy of a Metropolitan Cosmo leader fresh off a tirade of human rights campaigns in the world telling others the destruction she has caused in the UK is no one else’s business. The misery you have in your country was brought in by YOU people. And the Queen’s loyal subjects will not forget what you’ve done. I fear for your kind’s future. Take that to dinner.

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            Notwithstanding that, it’s hardly any of your business, is it?

            I don’t have ‘misery’ in my country. Why are you telling me that I have? Who put you up to this?

          • American_cavalier

            Who put me up to it………..THEM (Gasp). Cut to “middle class” nitty member of “Save Only Blacks ” S.O.B. charity (based in Oxford) as she swoons to the floor in fright.

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            I wonder what that little row of words means.

            It doesn’t matter, I suppose.

            How’s the weather with you?

          • American_cavalier

            See that’s the beauty of doing editing. It just makes subsequent remarks by you seem like the trite c++t you are.

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            You talk rubbish. Why?

          • American_cavalier

            The misery Iam pouring? What a laugh considering it is YOU presiding over the continued pouring of loads of misery into your country from Libya, to Hong Kong, to Pakistan, to Russia. Nope you brought the misery down upon yourself in some imbecilic plan to recreate a mini Empire inside the island where your kind could pretend they were superior beings playing the white man’s burden but now in Bradford rather than New Delhi. Get over yourselves. Number One: Anyone who would wish to recreate a mini Empire in what was once a beautiful island of the free Anglo Saxon people so that it became some sort of neo-Victorian Imperial Green House full of exotic people and fancy culinary establishments is a lunatic at best and a Traitor at worse. Number Two: You have all mused it up, sophisticated rulers over your new tropical type subjects you are not. They are running circles around you and simply destroying you. Good luck because I don’t see a good ending in any way as a result of this.

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            I’m sorry that you didn’t enjoy your holiday in Britain. We like fancy culinary establishments and all sorts of decadent things like that.

            The level of ham in hamburgers is currently 0%. It’s a scandal, I tells you.

            Sorry, who is it that tells you to do this? If the answer is the devil, God or any dead person, please do not respond.

          • American_cavalier

            P.S. when the saloon was going up the drive toward Buckingham, after election, I knew what was going on in that car. A nice drink I bet? And no it was Diet. But what was it….you think?

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            Goat’s blood?

          • American_cavalier

            P.S. You don’t have any superiors? So are we the queen now?

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            Leave your love life out of this, please.

          • American_cavalier

            Of course I will. I firmly believe in never involving my opponents wives in a political argument.

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            (Cute, he thinks he’s arguing.)

            You’re doing very well, old boy!

          • American_cavalier

            I was taught by the best.

          • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

            When they taught you, why did they leave out the voting system?

  • I just can’t believe the speed with which UKIP seem to have come off the rails, and the apparent complete loss of political nous on the part of Farage. There was a real chance to wipe the faces off the smiles of the luvvies, from Matthew Parris, to Frankie Boyle, via that minor aristocrat Al Murray. All they had to do was hold their nerve and fight for electoral reform. The SNP revolution was built on PR. It was all to play for. A huge swathe of public opinion remains unrepresented but another attempted counter revolution appears to have come unravelled. It’s extraordinary and bitterly disappointing

    • JabbaTheCat

      There is nothing new or unusual about the shambles that is Ukip currently in the public domain. For anyone who bothers looking at Ukip and their history under Farage’s stewardship will see constant repetitions of parallel events and failures…

  • JabbaTheCat

    Good choice of photograph above, Arthur and Ahmed Daley the crombie w*nkers…

    • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

      It’s a first class point. We used to reject spivs purely on sight. That was a part of the function of their dress; so that respectable people wouldn’t waste time with them.

      Now, we are supposed to ignore the message that the outfits send.

      Farage in tweeds with a pint of soapy pumped bitter style product in his hand, is the Uncle Tom of all Englishmen.

  • Pacificweather

    Mr Gray and Mr Payne I salute you. An informative and well written article on the Spectator web site. Watch your back chaps. The knives will be out for you if you set the bar too high.

  • Charlie Harris (No Relation)

    “What’s happened to poor Ukip?”

    The election was held and they lost a seat. So, the joke’s over.

  • Grace Ironwood

    Here’s the thing-
    “… the strange thing, though: the election was not a disaster for Ukip. It was a triumph. They won 3.9 million votes.”

    When will the prose written by these young men reflect the fact that they’ve wised up?

  • George Burnett

    “What an interesting perspective on politics in England @Raheem Kassam – great to hear from this young British Conservative mind”.
    Kassam wows Republican Senator Ted Yoho at WCS15 in Denver Colorado.

    • George Burnett

      This new darling of the American Right can’t surely be the same Raheem Kassam who described Farage’s UKIParty as a “bunch of ragtag people who let Nigel down” !

  • George Burnett

    Nigel Farage told the Sunday Politics programme that he would be prepared to lead the “OUT” movement.
    “I took my harp to a party but nobody asked me to play.”
    Neither will they Nige, until such time as you ditch Kassam.
    In any case you look like being redundant when Boris takes on the role !
    LOL

  • RuthAMontgomery

    ….Some time hit the spectator. Find Here

  • Mr Grumpy

    Yes, we’re all almost as shocked at Kassam’s track record of huffing at Islamism as we are at Farage’s talk of a Muslim fifth column. Nice timing, Messrs Gray and Payne.

  • Forgive the tangent but US far right groups and Conservatives have forged strong links and there’s already Tea Party money flowing into England. Have a look at some of Gove and Fox’s contacts.

  • John Andrews

    Things would have been better for UKIP if Farage had gone ahead with his plan for Suzanne Evans to lead the party through the summer. But it’s only suffering from post-election blues. We can expect UKIP to come roaring back.

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