because they have the luxury of pretending to be all things to all men… a luxury denied those with actual power and responsibility for their actions (unlike UKIP)..

A mirage. Your precious sovereignty doesn’t exist anymore… global markets now rule the world, not tin-pot little armies like ours.

Oh yes, you’re right about one thing, the UK will drastically change (it already has). Scotland will be off soon, thanks to spectacular Tory and Labour incompetence, and Little England will be out on her own. She will still have to obey the trade laws of any country she deals with, she will still have to abide by the tens of thousands of International laws to which she is a signatory.

You’ll be a lot poorer, but you’ll be happy, eh? Hahaha. No chance.

We can get rid of global armies if we want – you have been brainwashed – go back to your dark-ages society.

My desire is to protect my country from malignant people like you.

Indeed our time is limited. And I enjoy it no end.

Funny , I feel grubby now. Sad twits.

Good grief. What we don’t support is lynch mobs! Let the law take its course.

Either you’re one of those paid-for Euro trolls out to make UKIP look bad in which case you should be taken out and shot or you’re for real in which case you deserve a good kicking, you berk, because don’t you realise you’re just giving ammunition to the opposition? Playing into the hands of the LibLabCon perverts?

You are entirely entitled to your own viewpoint and vote and unless you live in Tower Hamlets, your vote might even count.

A fanatic is someone who won’t change his mind and can’t change the subject according to Churchill, perceptive indeed.

So the delightful options of Labour, Conservative or those paradigms of modern times the Liberal (?) Democrats await you at the voting booth. Unless of course you don’t vote, spoil the vote, vote for maniacs or make a protest vote.

I believe you should make up your own mind; All I’d ask you to do is read all of the manifesto’s when they come out (and I accept I have no right to ask that either).

You’ll find items with which you disagree in UKIP’s without a shadow of doubt, however make sure you apply the same strictures to all of the others, think about how trustworthy they are and think about what they have chosen to ignore or brush aside; Above all, ignore the media. Look at energy, security, the economy and immigration and see if they are well thought out, fair and in line with what we perceive as British values.

Fare thee well, the decision is yours alone.

Your point 1) Discrimination:
I am guessing you missed UKIP’s immigration strategy reveal last Wednesday 6th March.

I put it to you that the immigration policy maintained by Labour, Lib-Dems & the Conservatives is discriminatory against non EU migrants.

It is simple; All three parties above advocate immigration control for non-EU migrants. All three parties above implicitly support open borders for the EU. hence to ‘control’ immigration they throttle non-EU immigration, discriminating against North & South American, Antipodean, Asian, African – in fact the rest of the world.

Whether you follow a Libertarian view of open borders as a right for individuals to do what they want, or the loony left view of extending the policy of redistribution of wealth beyond our borders to the rest of the world, the existing immigration policy is discriminatory.

UKIP’s immigration policy applies exactly the same entry requirements to all applicants irrespective of creed, country or colour.

You may not agree with border controls however you can’t successfully wager the argument that UKIP’s immigration policy discriminates against any particular social group. It doesn’t. You might accurately say it discriminates for and against all migrants in the same manner.

Your point 2) Leaving the EU:
In order to provide a non-discriminatory policy to your point 1), leaving the EU is a requirement. There is a strong argument that leaving the EU will leave us hugely better off. If you have ever run a business you’d have empathy for the reams of regulation added to annually by Brussels. That argument can be made elsewhere.

Your point 3) No Human Rights:
I don’t think drafting our own which doesn’t include voting rights for prisoners will be much of a problem.

Your point 4) No Human Rights:
I was not aware that smoking has been banned.

Your point 5) Lowering taxes on the rich:
At least be honest about it! UKIP advocate lowering taxes on everyone – in particular lower paid workers; They intend to move the threshold to £13,500 by next election. If you have kids, you’ll have a great deal of empathy with this.

My own spin is that we are a lot better at spending our own money than government, who seem to relish spraying it around on its own little boondoggles, quangos & nepotistic plans; So reducing taxation across the board is a good thing in my humble opinion. I suppose it depends on whether you believe government is their to support you or you are there to support government. Belgium did quite nicely thank you with no government.

This AA Gill sounds race-obsessed to me. Are the opinions of white people… worthless? Because they are white? Why else make such a (false) distinction?

AA Gill, who has abused pretty much everybody on the planet at some point. You’re really quoting him?

I see how UKIP use slander to push their idiot agenda.

Not an attempt to belittle just the honest to goodness oppositionopposition you richly deserve. A party of knuckle draggers and oddballs has no place in a modern civilisation. We want you gone and quickly.

UKIP make me ashamed to be English.The product of the me generation and the casual arroagance of Thatchers 80’s.

You don’t have to be a fogey not to want to live in the Tower of Babel, a country sans frontières, an EU enabled, third worlld, sharia €rap hole.

That’s what you will get if you keep electing the morons who are wealthy enough to insulate themselves and care not a flying fornication for the rest of us.

Whatever their faults, UKIP has to be worth a try.

“Looking forward” to the further advancement of the powers of their darling EU Socialist Dictatorship experiment?

Yes, it’s exciting isn’t it? A party in which debate takes place.

I do find political debate interesting and I am excited when others are interested enough to contribute & be involved. I find it hopeful, whether in the context of a party or not.

You are, quite simply, talking nonsense. You obviously have no idea what UKIP represents, what it wants, or how it operates. A Libertarian party with such a large backing is unique in British politics, so it is hardly reactionary, it is quite a new phenomenon. Further I know no one in UKIP that suffers from nostalgia for the past other than that it prefers a country that can rule itself and control its own borders. That may be backward looking in your mind but others would call it two rather elementary characteristics of a sovereign state. Further, since UKIP wants to destroy the complacent status quo that has ruled us practically since W.W.II. in favour of something new and truly responsive to the democratic will of the people it is hardly taking a “look back in anger”, to use your silly phrase. In fact it is you, and people like you, who want to continue politics in the same moribund bankrupt fashion that you support who are looking backward. You and your antique ideas, attitudes and ruffled feathers while you squawk away about that you can’t comprehend, are rubbernecking the past, not UKIP.

you are a disgrace to this country!

What a fool you are,
“Libertarianism (Latin: liber, “free”) is a political philosophy that upholds liberty as its principal objective. Libertarians seek to maximize autonomy and freedom of choice, emphasizing political freedom, voluntary association, and the primacy of individual judgement.”
If you think that is trivial then you are a pathetic spineless wimp who is only interested in being controlled by his masters like some inconsequential lap dog. Trivial! You are trivial for seeking to reduce human freedom, freedom of conscience and freedom of association to trivia. Don’t tell me that what I believe is “trivializing politics” when you obviously have no regard for decency. Go crawl up the fundament of your establishment. I’m sure you will enjoy the fetid air up there you pathetic toady. Fool!

Pathetic reply by a pathetic person and entirely irrelevant to what I wrote. You are, quite obviously, a troll immune to rational argument or decency.

By the way, I use the American-British combo flag because I know it annoys narrow minded little bigots like you. And also because I lived there for a great deal of time.

What was your most recent specific act of helping the weak, Stuart-Hargreaves pantomime horse? Ever heard of ‘pathological altruism’? There’s a lot of it about.

Tomorrow belongs to You (and to Them.) You will possibly come to regret it, and look back with nostalgia at the fond hopes of yester-year, when all was well, all seemed fine, and all things were possible.

You’re version of “political debate” is merely to sling insults and screech. This is tactic of those who are consumed with the very hatred they are so eager to “find” in others.

Is there any post you make where you don’t talk utter sh te?

As usual with your kind, you smear, you lie and your comment is the least popular here.

You play fast and loose with “facts and honesty” so you are in no position to criticise anyone. You’re truly ridiculous.

What the clientele of Wetherspoons are shrewd now?

Abbie Vee, tell us your vision on the future of “your” Great Britain, Are you proud to be British? Do you like the Britain that took a thousand years to develop it’s own identity and culture, or would you be happier with a Ghetto’ised, non intergrating society, where the state dictates what you may say, and think, or do you think that the indigenous Anglo-Saxon/Celts who made it great should shut up and let you denigrate the values that many of us hold dear?

Ah, I see now why your so out of touch with the rest of the UK, your from London. London is a separate country from the rest of Britain isn’t it, and you are definitely not British. If I have to explain it to you I rest my case.

On the other hand, that is why you are totally bereft of ideas.

You distort and miss my point by a country mile. I am saying what works for them, works for them. Democracy is not a panacea for all the world’s ills. Many cultures do spectacularly well without it.

(I have first hand experience of Japanese culture… its far superior to ours).

But this so-called “British culture” you people prattle on about has me puzzled… what DO you mean by it? Is it Bingo, fish and chips, warm beer, food banks, child poverty, abandoned lonely old people, imprisonment without trial, secret justice, corruption, two million people in inadequate housing, child abuse, fawning sycophancy, hypocrisy, prejudice, hatred of other races, hatred of each other, drug abuse, crumbling infrastructure, austerity for the poor, riches beyond the dreams of avarice for the top few percent, illegal wars of aggression? Zat it? !

….toss yourself off ….!

He/she/it is feeling immensely superior while being too stupid to see that a culture which values such things as equality, democracy and free speech is superior than one that doesn’t. It’s good to see such posts because they’re a reminder of the irrationality and hate that underpins cultural relativism. Ultimately one of the key British values is tolerance, it’s even extended to mindless pr1cks who think sneering at their fellow citizens demonstrates sophistication

Next time the left demonize someone for wearing black face or wearing a native American outfit to a fancy dress, tell them in no uncertain terms to shut up, as it’s impossible to ideologically offend anyone by doing this as we are all exactly the same.

I have no hesitation in asserting western secular liberal culture and society, as developed over centuries in this country and similar ones, is preferable to me than the culture of present day Islamist states. In fact I dislike Islamic state cultures/social norms as much as I would have disliked the “Christian” theocratic ones once common in the western world centuries ago. I see the culture and society of Imperial Germany of 1870 – 1918 as far preferable to the Hitlerite one of 1933 – 45.
It seems I am being grossly deluded and conceited in making such value judgements.

Yes – societies with huge infant mortality rates and where adults tend to die before middle age are preferable to ones like ours – where, shock horror..there are rich people (how vile!). Oh where would the left be without their “hate”. What if there weren’t such Aunt Sally’s as rich people – how could the left then parade their righteous sanctimony like those puritans of old despising sinners which they are so reminiscent of? I wonder if he/she counts former communists like Mandelson, hard leftists like the late people’s tribune Tony Benn, and Wussy Russell Brand, among the rich he/she “hates”.

While there’s people like you in it I guess your right, but some of us will do our utmost to preserve a country that my relatives fought and died for. I find your attitude very sad, your lack of passion or commitment to our nation is deplorable.

Go play in the traffic, slaphead.

Typical Kipper wnkr – nothing but stupid insults and vapid threats. Looks like an impotent slaphead too, and probably some kind of pervert to boot.