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What Ukip wants: get Farage elected, then prepare for a Labour collapse in the north

7 March 2015

9:00 AM

7 March 2015

9:00 AM

In Ukip’s Mayfair headquarters there is a copy of Banksy’s monkey with the sign around its neck: ‘Laugh now, but one day we’ll be in charge’. It seems appropriate. For years, Nigel Farage and his party were dismissed as a bunch of cranks. Within three months, they could be propping up David Cameron’s government, having named their price — perhaps an EU referendum before the year is out. Conservatives stopped sneering at Ukip a while ago. Now they’re more worried about its ambitions. What does Ukip want? Will it attack from the left or the right?

Ukip tends not to show people around its HQ: it mistrusts the media. It revels in its reputation as a shambolic salt-of-the-earth party whose policies are decided after the fifth pint rather than endlessly tested on focus groups. But now, with the election nine weeks away, Ukip is changing. After losing the Newark by-election, it decided to professionalise, and this 25-man operation in Mayfair is the result.

Ukip’s election strategist is Chris Bruni-Lowe, a straight-talking south Londoner who was a Conservative until a few months ago. He defected along with Douglas Carswell, and ran the effective by-election campaign in Clacton. His master plan is not, as is commonly believed, to win as many seats as possible in May. ‘Our aims are quite simple,’ says Bruni-Lowe: ‘Get Nigel elected in South Thanet, win a good number of seats, and then come second in more than 100 northern constituencies.’ Finding a Westminster perch for the leader is the top priority. A few more seats would be nice, but Ukip’s aim is to position itself for the 2020 election. The bet is on Labour’s support dissolving in the north of England, as it is already doing in Scotland.

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Team Ukip: Farage’s Senior Adviser Raheem Kassam and Head of Campaigns Chris Bruni-Lowe. Photo: Sebastian Payne/The Spectator.

Ukip expected to hoover up disaffected shire Tories, but the leadership has been struck by the response in Labour’s heartlands — as Farage puts it, from Birmingham to Hadrian’s Wall. ‘When I ran the by-elections, never did I envisage the numbers of ex-Labour voters prepared to back Ukip,’ says Bruni-Lowe. The party’s support in the north of England has trebled since the last election.

Ukip fares poorly in Scotland, where it has a rival. Nicola Sturgeon also talks about borders and denounces the Westminster elite. But the SNP’s success is instructive. The party spent years gnawing away at the Labour vote at a time when Scottish Labour had grown used to winning without fighting. Since the independence referendum in September, the Labour vote has collapsed. The SNP is now on course to pick up 35 of Scottish Labour’s 41 seats. Come 2020, Ukip hopes to achieve a similar coup in the north of England. ‘It’s a bit like a rotten window frame,’ says one Ukip source, ‘you probe with your finger what looks like solid paint and it goes straight through. These are literally rotten boroughs.’

Ukip is confident that both Reckless and Carswell will hold on to their constituencies in May. As well as a handful of southern coastal seats, its main hopes further north are Boston & Skegness, Heywood & Middleton and Dudley North. In these seats, as every-where, Ukip’s strategy is to find candidates with genuine local connections.


If Ed Miliband takes power and continues with austerity — as even Ed Balls admits he will have to do — Labour’s support could shrivel. Then Ukip would pounce. The Tories may well be pushed into fourth place in areas such as Tyneside and Rochdale. Meanwhile Ukip is building Labour-friendly policies. It now bashes big business as well as big government, advocates welfare increases and pledges to pour billions more into public services. Mark Reckless told me that: ‘Ukip is now the party of the NHS.’ A rather audacious claim, given that Ukip’s other MP, Douglas Carswell, was until recently calling for the wholesale restructuring of what he used to call the ‘National Sickness Service’.

So Ukip is heading towards where it thinks the most voters are. If the party manages to increase its parliamentary presence by just one seat, its strategists will be happy — as long as that seat is South Thanet. Farage stood there ten years ago and only won 5 per cent of the vote. Much has changed since then, and he is the bookies’ favourite to win. It helps that Laura Sandys, South Thanet’s popular Conservative MP, is standing down. But if Farage can’t overturn the 17 per cent Tory majority, he will probably resign. And if he goes, there is a good chance Ukip will collapse.

Farage’s force of personality has held the party together in recent years. Ukip’s membership has boomed, but so have its contradictions. The party has split into the different factions: purple Ukip (the libertarians), blue Ukip (disgruntled Tories) and red Ukip (ex-Labour/working class). Without a charismatic leader — and there appears to be no one of Farage’s calibre among the likely successors — it is hard to see these groups sticking together. When I asked Farage what will happen if he doesn’t win South Thanet, he admitted: ‘It could be a car crash.’

So Ukip is throwing everything it has at South Thanet, which explains Farage’s unusual disappearance from the national media in recent weeks. His absence was so conspicuous that rumours began to surface about his health. There were whispers about the return of the testicular cancer he had in his twenties. Farage ended up having to tell a crowd at Ukip’s spring conference that he is ‘fit as a blooming flea’. He even drinks ginger beer these days.

Ukip’s South Thanet branch has been writing to residents on a ward-by-ward basis, inviting them to old-fashioned town-hall style meetings to meet Farage and their local council candidates. I went to see him speak at one last month. He was in his element, delighting the crowd. The biggest cheer came when he promised to slash hospital car parking charges. This is how he intends to win his seat: by personally addressing thousands of voters, winning over the curious and recruiting new campaigners.

Nigel Farage speaking to a group of residents in Broadstairs, Kent. Photo: Sebastian Payne/The Spectator.

The slogan for Ukip’s campaign will be ‘Believe in Britain’ — a phrase designed to position Ukip less as a political party than, as its campaign chief puts it, as a ‘state of mind’. ‘This strapline has the ability to do for Ukip what “Things Can Only Get Better” did for New Labour,’ says Bruni-Lowe. If millions of voters decide, as they did in the European elections last year, that Ukip reflects their state of mind, the laughter from the establishment will have to stop.


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  • The Wiganer

    The only thing preventing a UKIP surge is that the public are still unconvinced that they have candidates who can be trusted. The media bombardment against them has succeeded to a degree in holding back support.

    The next parliament looks to be chaotic, so if UKIP can keep it together then they will make major inroads at the back of this decade.

    • dep

      Not so with all of us. The more the media attacks UKIP, the more convinced I am i should vote for them.

      • You should vote for them on the policies, not because the media do not like them. not that they have many policies they can stick with more than a couple of days

        • Wessex Man

          ah double bless!

        • dep

          Do not tell me what I should or should not do.

    • global city

      If they stick to the fundamentals…the technical, social and democratic issues then they may well be in power in 2020….as we just KNOW that the establishment have no intentions of changing course on ANY of the horrible projects they have set out on.

      Mass immigration to create a new multi-cultural populace, fitting in with the structures of the post democratic age of governance, based on international law, the synergy of the corporates and statists and fully enmeshed in the USE. ALL of these will have massively moved nearer their conclusion by the time that the 2020 election arrives. Let’s hope that UKIP ARE in a position of influence, as 2020 could possibly the last time the establishment have to allow us to sway who rules over us. It could be the last GE they let us take part in.

    • Meenama

      Its not safe to think in terms of making inroads at the back of this decade. One just doesn’t know what kind of stitch-up the legacy parties will organise between now and 2020. There will be pressure to shore up seats by bringing in voting at 16 years of age and also efforts to allow EU citizens (resident in the U.K). to vote in our General Elections. Also with immigration currently at 600,000 a year — that means another 3 million immigrants (many of a RoP persuasion) in the country by 2020.

      A UKIP advance really needs to start happening NOW.

      • Ivan Ewan

        I think the idea is that 2020 is the best chance, and possibly the last chance.

        For now… well, it’s just about taking enough votes away from the LíbLäbCøn (are we allowed to say that now?) such that they have to do deals they don’t like in order to stay in power. A ConLab government would be particularly useful as the government before 2020. It will bring an end to the kind of tactical voting that ruined democracy.

      • Donafugata

        Absolutely, this is really urgent.

        Very soon, I suspect, the RoP will be fielding their own sharia candidates and there will be a polarising of debate.

        The choice will be between sharia and anti-sharia but at least socialism and social democrats will become irrelevant. Unfortunately the UK does not have a Marine Le Pen or Geert Wilders so we have to make do with UKIP.

        See what is going to happen in France, the ‘Democratic’ Union of French Muslims will go head-to-head with the FN in the next presidentials and the same will have to follow in every country that has had an Islamic invasion.

    • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

      When their candidates say they “have problems with negroes” we should not trust them. I for one will never drink in a Wetherspoons again.

      • The Wiganer

        The lady in question was confessing to being ill at ease in the company of blacks, a pretty common feeling for anyone who has grown up in a white-only environment. She was removed from the party.

        If you think that people from the other parties are free of the same uneasiness then you are very mistaken. Some of Diane Abbot’s statements are the same thing in reverse.

        But for some reason only the UKIP ones make headline news.

        • Wessex Man

          Not only that, she was actually a Tory who defected to UKip.

        • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

          Did you really just say that? UKIP’s constant refrain that unease with Blacks is common place. It is not ,you lot are abysmal, divisive, a blot on a once proud nation. Shame on you all./

          • zorbathegook

            You are taking off like a lefty that has lost its target.

          • logdon

            You’re not a Rotherham councillor by any chance?

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            No. What act do yuo do at Farage’s Circus? Clown or Performing Monkey?

          • logdon

            Obviously a thick Rotherham councillor then.

    • But with Labour fielding about 6 MP’s who had to disappear because of the expense scandal pre 2010 and maybe more still in the HoC, UKIP couldn’t do no worse. Just look at the website Labour25 . com to see what a dodgy bunch you could be getting, Tories who send intimate pictures of themselves on twitter. I will bear in mind that the political elite of LibLabCon who have ruled and betrayed us, lying at every turn over the last 50 years do not deserve another chance, and from me they’ll not be getting it. I can hold my head high, I will give UKIP a chance.

  • horserider

    It all sounds good there for Ukip. There is just one little problem. The absence of any credible policies, plan or strategy for delivering them.

    I don’t think voters are that stupid.

    • pobinr

      And the results of LibLabCon credible policies ?

      * Low wage immigrants entitled to more than they pay in tax from child benefit, social housing, family tax credits, NHS, subsidised nursery care, translators
      * People entitled to come here & work on low wage then go on benefits forever
      * Poor low population density countries made poorer by losing their workforce
      * Every other name on Southampton Maternity unit cots is East European
      * Cheap imported labour that drives wages down & take jobs from locals
      * Classes full of kids that need special lessons in speaking basic English
      * Being told it’s just Daily Mail fiction when we see it with our own eyes
      * Cheap EU loans to move UK factories to Eastern Europe & Turkey
      * A trojan horse of thousands of Islamists who hate & want to kill us
      * Free pension top ups for EU migrants that have been here a year
      * £600k a day going in child benefits to children in Eastern Europe
      * 28,000 or is it 5,000 Romanians I don’t care, held for crimes
      * More large character family houses knocked down for flats
      * Being told how to run our borders by an unelected Maoist
      * Eight year waiting list for social housing in Southampton
      * People free to come & go from disease ridden countries
      * Higher house prices & rents due to increased demand
      * Higher crime per capita commited by immigrants
      * 80% of fish that swam in our waters given away
      * More crowded surgeries & longer NHS queues
      * More dependance on food & energy imports
      * More & more centralised control by the EU
      * A new house needed every 7 minutes
      * Worst housing shortage since WWII
      * More & more houses on greenbelt
      * Oversupply of unskilled workers
      * Overburdonned infrastructure
      * More & more road congestion
      * More risk of power cuts
      * Child grooming gangs
      * People traffickers

      Could UKIP possibly be any worse?
      http://www.ukip.org/policies_for_people
      All seems like common sense to me to try & start undoing the above list of horrors

      • Alexsandr

        beheadings, FGM, child abuse, so called honour killings.

        • Not seen any UKIP policy on this (or much else) I have seen their stance on child abuse and it is to vote against legislation to help combat it http://edlnews.co.uk/category/ukip/

          • Ivan Ewan

            UKIP votes against anything and everything that gives the EU more legislative power.

            They would be hypocritical not to, wouldn’t they?

            Ohhh, didn’t notice for a moment that you’re EDLNEWS.

            You’ve grown a stance on child abuse? So… are you for it or against it?

      • kho

        you forgot to mention the rain. we’re getting far too much rain these days as well.

        • gerontius redux

          The increased rain is due to Climate Change Innit. Every fule know that

          • Abie Vee

            Good grief. Do you mean that it’s NOT the fault of immigrants!? Well I’m blowed.

          • Guest

            You sound like a right prat.

      • milford

        It’s 28000 criminals from eastern Europe in our prisons.

      • Zando

        Leaving a broken society in the UK.

    • FreeKip

      Well, voting Tory didnt get alot of Tory voters policies they voted for, so I doubt their expectations are very high…

      • Ivan Ewan

        I think… none, actually. Can anyone name a single one?

    • VacantPossession

      I think you are right; Voters aren’t that stupid.

      They will have noticed the media attended launch of UKIP’s immigration policy yesterday and understand that UKIP will be the last to release its manifesto to avoid Cameron stealing their thunder.

      Cameron is quite plainly scared of a confrontation on level ground between himself, Miliband, Farage & Clegg; The only way for him is down when the roll call of his failures is read out to him & the public by Farage. His disinclination to engage fully supports the assertion that he puts his self interest before the interests of the public.

      Do we really want a coward to lead the country?

      The others are just as bad – remember Labour & the Liberals (how can they live with that name?) voted against boundary reform, are ‘really quite satisfied’ with a bias in their favour. Democratic? I don’t think so.

      • Abie Vee

        Not so fast buddy. They did not vote against boundary reform at all; they voted against Cameron’s clumsy attempts at Gerrymandering.

        There are Boundary Commissions at work in it UK whose role is to continuously review electoral boundaries in the light of population growth, movement, and other demographic changes.

        That is the way it is, and that is the way they want it to stay. If the number of MPs are to be reduced by some arbitrary figure or other (as per Cameron), or the remit of the independent Boundary Commissions is to be changed it needs to be undertaken by cross-party agreement.

        We know full well where the Tories penchant for back of the fag packet calculations and quick-fixes get them, do we not? “No if’s. no buts”.

        • Aberrant_Apostrophe

          Wrong. The LibDems agreed to vote for the Boundary changes as part of their coalition agreement. They then reneged on that agreement, even though they got their vote on PR/AV, as part of the process of throwing their toys out of the pram when the Tories didn’t like their HoL reforms. Yes, the Boundary Commission does indeed review the boundaries periodically, but any changes have to be agreed and voted on by Parliament. You describe the attempt to change the boundaries as ‘Cameron’s clumsy attempts at Gerrymandering’, but in reality all he was doing was trying to address the current level of distortion caused by demographic shifts that Labour benefitted from during their 13 years in power. If that isn’t Gerrymandering by default, then I’m a Scotsman.

        • VacantPossession

          We are discussing two separate items here, my point 1) which is one can’t trust Labour or the Liberals; and your point 2) the process wasn’t correct.

          There is no escaping the truth that the current boundaries favour Labour; I would directly accuse Labour of gerrymandering by continuing with the disparity; They have been doing it for years/several elections.
          The requirement for periodic boundary reform is simply a fact; I recognise there are many factors to take into account over the reforms, nevertheless the Liberal Democrats (really?) reneged on a coalition agreement with the conservatives concerning boundary reform. Labour acted as usual as opportunists by getting in the news, skewering Conservative hopes for needed reform and at the same time benefiting themselves by weighing results in their favour at the coming election. Now there is a surprise.

          IMHO None acted in the interests of the country, but what’s new? Here is the Beeb’s Q&A on it which doesn’t seem too biased (surprisingly).

          It is a good indictment of what is wrong with Westminster, they get on with their little games and the people can be manipulated, bribed, disrespected and walked all over. It’s business as usual at Westminster.
          Unless…

    • Russ Littler

      Go on their web-site. Their policies look pretty sound and common-sense to me. I’ve listened to all the posturing, waffling, and false promises of “Compo, Foggy, and Clegg” and that’s all they are, empty promises. The British people are sick and tired of this type of government. We want our country back, and if that means that ordinary people (not career politicians) get elected, then at least they will have this country’s best interest at heart. Sure, they’ll make mistakes, and there will be a few teething problems, but long-term, the strangle hold of the people who have ruined this country will be broken.

    • Zando

      They are that stupid, they voted for Lib/Lab/Con…………didn’t they?.

    • Vote UKIP

      Every party started somewhere, giddyup!

  • pobinr

    Free booklet download on what pro EU LibLabCon don’t want you to know about the EU > http://tinyurl.com/mqx92yq

    • Abie Vee

      Free with every copy of Mein Kampf presumably.

      • The Wiganer

        Curious that you think someone objecting to a totalitarian form of government makes them a nazi.

        • Wessex Man

          especially when the EU anthem is ‘Ode to Joy.’

          • Max Permissible

            Yes… composed by that well-known Nazi Beethoven 🙂

          • Ivan Ewan

            Ode to Joy was always played on Hitler’s birthday. Hitler, you know, the last guy who wanted to unify Europe.

            It’s the same idea, just different methods. Both involve paying goons to punch activist opponents in the face.

          • Max Permissible

            Hitler was also a vegetarian and liked animals.

            Also I didn’t know that the EU were paying goons to punch activist opponents “in the face”.

          • Ivan Ewan

            EU -> NGOs/quangos -> Trade Unions -> SWP -> UAF/HNH

            The political left is one big – if you’ll pardon my French – circle-jerk.

          • Max Permissible

            Yes, I’m sure you’re an expert on circle-jerks.

        • Max Permissible

          Anyone who has read more than a few comments from “pobinr” knows full well what he is.

          • The Wiganer

            pobinr may be a fully paid up member of the Brotherhood of Tin Foil Hats, but that does not necessarily make them a Nazi.

            Dissenters and rabble rousers were the first to be sent to the camps by Himmler.

          • Max Permissible

            Some of his older comments certainly indicated such tendencies; that’s what I was referring to.

        • Mike

          Many on the left have had a tendency only to selectively dislike totalitarianism. Thus a lot of them in turn fell on their knees to worship vicious extremists like Lenin, Stalin, Mao etc, who actually killed and repressed even more people than Adolf. If the EU hierarchy was as stuffed with “former” fascists as it is with “former” communists, the left might not be as keen on it. Of course, officially Labour party policy in the 1983 election was withdrawal from the then EEC. Hugh Gaitskell, former “moderate” Labour leader, distrusted the “common market” project. The left’s great love affair with the EU only really got going with the collapse of the Soviet block – as Gorbachev has said, the EU represents a remaking of the USSR.

      • Richard Baranov

        No, Mein Kamp is a twofer, along with its companion volume Das Kapital.

      • Solage 1386

        Mein Kampf sells like hotcakes in Muslim bookshops, apparently. Perhaps they include a free copy of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion with every book sold? Nothing would surprise me nowadays.

        • Abie Vee

          Also in Croatia, Estonia, Latvia and no doubt the Ukraine too.

      • Mike

        I respond to that only to say it’s unworthy of a response (ok… an oxymoron).

    • Glad it was free because if I had to pay from that drivel i would be asking for my cash back

    • Richard Baranov

      Thanks for that. Bookmarked for later reading.

  • John Carins

    UKIP’s policy of wanting to return self determination to the British people is the only policy that matters. The other parties do not offer this and are in the long term determined to erode our sovereignty further It’s a “no brainer”: vote UKIP if you really believe in British democracy.

    • Guest

      UKIP isn’t even a democratic party, Farage rules it with an iron fist. Sacking those that engage in ‘free speech.’

      • John Carins

        So the other parties are democratic? Listen to the ideas of Carswell and you will seen a new positive approach to democracy.

        • Abie Vee

          I do. And I notice straight away how they are often at odds with Farage’s views. Interesting times ahead.

          • Wessex Man

            and are the only party where it’s OK to have and express views that are different to each other!

          • Abie Vee

            because they have the luxury of pretending to be all things to all men… a luxury denied those with actual power and responsibility for their actions (unlike UKIP)..

          • ItinerantView

            The main parties still pretend to be all things to all men, even when in power.
            Especially now as they have essentially abrogated responsibility, for many major policy decisions to the EU and have to obscure agendas that will drastically change the UK.

            All new political movements, have to start somewhere and evolve.
            UK!P’s core message has been pretty consistent, restore sovereignty,legal supremacy, a notion of democracy and control of our borders from the undemocratic institutions in Brussels and Strasbourg.
            People can read into that what they want but as the main parties have repeatedly lied and obfuscated, particularly about the benefits of mass immigration and loss of sovereignty and as Roger Scruton opines, these “lies have been maintained in being by intimidation of a kind that has rarely been seen in British politics”, it’s time for a change of direction and to give someone else a chance, to live up to their promises.
            We might even get a government and civil service, that are accountable to their electorate.

          • Abie Vee

            A mirage. Your precious sovereignty doesn’t exist anymore… global markets now rule the world, not tin-pot little armies like ours.

            Oh yes, you’re right about one thing, the UK will drastically change (it already has). Scotland will be off soon, thanks to spectacular Tory and Labour incompetence, and Little England will be out on her own. She will still have to obey the trade laws of any country she deals with, she will still have to abide by the tens of thousands of International laws to which she is a signatory.

            You’ll be a lot poorer, but you’ll be happy, eh? Hahaha. No chance.

          • ItinerantView

            Ah the sneering open border utopian appears.
            Nationalist China, the burgeoning superpower, has globalist, multikulti open border policies ?, that’s news to me.
            Incidentally where’s Scotland going, are they going to saw the island off at Berwick and relocate?, the Southern Med would be nice please.
            Holyrood just want their own carriage on the EU gravy train, it makes little difference to the EUroMed endgame.

            We are already poorer under globalism, living standards in the West will continue to fall, especially as tens if not hundreds of millions of cheap migrants are imported.
            Nice little earner for the new feudal elite though, propagandists seem to do very well for themselves also.
            The social costs are incalculable and the EUers and fellow travellers, have spectacularly underestimated the Islamist genie they have let out the bottle.
            They take Europe to a new dark ages and call it progress, yet ironically it is they and their acolytes in European national governments who are afraid of change, too ensconced in their gilded carriages and afraid of losing their privileges.
            The Globalists might control the EU but their insane social, economic and expansionsit polices are bringing strife and danger to Europe.Free speech and protest are being throttled to accommodate their agendas.Lets see how long it last before descending into chaos.
            If that’s being richer I can’t wait for the police state they’ll need, to keep a lid on their multikulti disaster.
            I lived in Greece before the EU, it wasn’t a rich country but had a fabulous quality of life, since it joined the EU, it’s an absolute morass.
            They must feel so enriched.

          • Bonkim

            We can get rid of global armies if we want – you have been brainwashed – go back to your dark-ages society.

          • Cyril Sneer

            At least you admit it is your desire to destroy this country. Your time here is limited, enjoy it while you can tourist.

          • Abie Vee

            My desire is to protect my country from malignant people like you.

            Indeed our time is limited. And I enjoy it no end.

          • Mr_Twister

            No party Whip….has to be a good thing.

        • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

          No, but the other parties are at least forward looking. UKIP are the nostalgia party. As A A Gill pointed out in the S Times they are the party of “the disappointed white folk who don’t understand,like or want anything that happened since 1980.”
          Nostalgia is not a political philosophy it’s a neurosis.
          UKIP is a ghost party of sad admiration for the past. We can pity them ,we can even feel grubby watching them look back in anger.

          • Wessex Man

            There speaks the voice of ignorance, UKip are the only political party in this country that doesn’t need female only lists because if you are good enough you are promoted regardless of gender, hence Ukip have an higher proportion of female MEPs than any British party ever!

            You would like us to be locked in a 1950s style timelock only to serve your own inadequate parties!

            AA Gill you are having a laugh, one of the truly dumbest men around, who reached heights only because of ‘influence.’

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            Funny , I feel grubby now. Sad twits.

          • Jeff Thompson

            You feel grubby? You support a party of child murder and child rapes. And UKIP make you feel grubby. You are vile.

          • Abie Vee

            Good grief. What we don’t support is lynch mobs! Let the law take its course.

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            Lynch mobs is what UKIP will lead to.They are backward looking and smug.

          • Utterley

            Either you’re one of those paid-for Euro trolls out to make UKIP look bad in which case you should be taken out and shot or you’re for real in which case you deserve a good kicking, you berk, because don’t you realise you’re just giving ammunition to the opposition? Playing into the hands of the LibLabCon perverts?

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            This is how low UKIP pushes politics. How on Earth do i support child murder you vacuous nitwit.

          • VacantPossession

            You are entirely entitled to your own viewpoint and vote and unless you live in Tower Hamlets, your vote might even count.

            A fanatic is someone who won’t change his mind and can’t change the subject according to Churchill, perceptive indeed.

            So the delightful options of Labour, Conservative or those paradigms of modern times the Liberal (?) Democrats await you at the voting booth. Unless of course you don’t vote, spoil the vote, vote for maniacs or make a protest vote.

            I believe you should make up your own mind; All I’d ask you to do is read all of the manifesto’s when they come out (and I accept I have no right to ask that either).

            You’ll find items with which you disagree in UKIP’s without a shadow of doubt, however make sure you apply the same strictures to all of the others, think about how trustworthy they are and think about what they have chosen to ignore or brush aside; Above all, ignore the media. Look at energy, security, the economy and immigration and see if they are well thought out, fair and in line with what we perceive as British values.

            Fare thee well, the decision is yours alone.

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            UKIP’s offering is appalling. It advocates open discrimination , leaving the EU, no human rights , lifting the smoking ban and lower taxes on the rich.

          • VacantPossession

            Your point 1) Discrimination:
            I am guessing you missed UKIP’s immigration strategy reveal last Wednesday 6th March.

            I put it to you that the immigration policy maintained by Labour, Lib-Dems & the Conservatives is discriminatory against non EU migrants.

            It is simple; All three parties above advocate immigration control for non-EU migrants. All three parties above implicitly support open borders for the EU. hence to ‘control’ immigration they throttle non-EU immigration, discriminating against North & South American, Antipodean, Asian, African – in fact the rest of the world.

            Whether you follow a Libertarian view of open borders as a right for individuals to do what they want, or the loony left view of extending the policy of redistribution of wealth beyond our borders to the rest of the world, the existing immigration policy is discriminatory.

            UKIP’s immigration policy applies exactly the same entry requirements to all applicants irrespective of creed, country or colour.

            You may not agree with border controls however you can’t successfully wager the argument that UKIP’s immigration policy discriminates against any particular social group. It doesn’t. You might accurately say it discriminates for and against all migrants in the same manner.

            Your point 2) Leaving the EU:
            In order to provide a non-discriminatory policy to your point 1), leaving the EU is a requirement. There is a strong argument that leaving the EU will leave us hugely better off. If you have ever run a business you’d have empathy for the reams of regulation added to annually by Brussels. That argument can be made elsewhere.

            Your point 3) No Human Rights:
            I don’t think drafting our own which doesn’t include voting rights for prisoners will be much of a problem.

            Your point 4) No Human Rights:
            I was not aware that smoking has been banned.

            Your point 5) Lowering taxes on the rich:
            At least be honest about it! UKIP advocate lowering taxes on everyone – in particular lower paid workers; They intend to move the threshold to £13,500 by next election. If you have kids, you’ll have a great deal of empathy with this.

            My own spin is that we are a lot better at spending our own money than government, who seem to relish spraying it around on its own little boondoggles, quangos & nepotistic plans; So reducing taxation across the board is a good thing in my humble opinion. I suppose it depends on whether you believe government is their to support you or you are there to support government. Belgium did quite nicely thank you with no government.

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            You say there is a strong argument for leaving the EU .Where?
            The EU was born of two disastruous World Wars. We save massively in money and lives by no longer fighting each other.

          • Ivan Ewan

            This AA Gill sounds race-obsessed to me. Are the opinions of white people… worthless? Because they are white? Why else make such a (false) distinction?

          • Mike

            Among the white elite metro crowd a self hate for their own “whiteness”, “privilege” and culture is often a major part of their ideological makeup. Thus the left’s suicidal alliance with anything and everything that isn’t connected to “white” civilization; thus their wild intolerance of any who wish to save the west from the utterly reactionary ideology of Islamic extremism. It will be the gays, women and the “left” themselves who will be first to suffer when secular extreme Islam gains power in the west. But such is the university/ BBC inculcated blind hatred the left have for the culture of the west, they simply cannot ever come to understand this. But they are not only committing suicide themselves, they are working to condemn millions of others who don’t share their cultural self hatred to a dark age tyranny in the future which only Nazism and Stalinism come close to in recent European history.

          • The Wiganer

            AA Gill, who has abused pretty much everybody on the planet at some point. You’re really quoting him?

          • BigMach

            I have seen the future. The future is Rotherham.

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            I see how UKIP use slander to push their idiot agenda.

          • John Carins

            Your characterisation is an attempt to belittle and means nothing. Is the Labour party forward looking as it relies on late 19th Century underpinnings (Marxism/Leninism)? The word “Conservative” what image does that conjure in the mind? I pity them for having made such a hash of everything.

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            Not an attempt to belittle just the honest to goodness oppositionopposition you richly deserve. A party of knuckle draggers and oddballs has no place in a modern civilisation. We want you gone and quickly.

          • Russ Littler

            Are you just being provocative, or do you really believe that drivel? Seriously? I don’t understand that negative mentality.

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            UKIP make me ashamed to be English.The product of the me generation and the casual arroagance of Thatchers 80’s.

          • Mike

            Wonderful. Imagine the rage of the righteous lefties if Labour party members were being characterized as ignorant proletarian thickos.

          • Donafugata

            You don’t have to be a fogey not to want to live in the Tower of Babel, a country sans frontières, an EU enabled, third worlld, sharia €rap hole.

            That’s what you will get if you keep electing the morons who are wealthy enough to insulate themselves and care not a flying fornication for the rest of us.

            Whatever their faults, UKIP has to be worth a try.

          • akrasia

            In what way are the other parties “forward looking”?

          • Jeff Thompson

            “Looking forward” to the further advancement of the powers of their darling EU Socialist Dictatorship experiment?

          • Nockian

            As a non partisan voter who won’t be voting for UKIP I don’t recognise that description at all. That seems to be what the national media ( and hence the current ruling elite ) would like everyone to think and are trying very hard to cement in the minds of the population..

            The backwards parties seem to be a Labour, SNP and the Greens who wish to take us back to the days of nationalised, strike prone, broken Britain – and the Greens want to take us back even further to the days of Soviet era Russia.

            Conservatives and LibDem might be considered progressives in the sense of the Blairites era and so back to the 90s.

            UKIP seem a party in flux that doesn’t quite know what it is, but is almost equally unsure about what it isn’t. It’s emerging and has been forced to the point of doing so by unexpected results in European and local elections. As such, anything it might once have been has been overtaken by the necessity of establishing a credible set of policies and governance in the face of heavy sniping by all the established parties and their backers.

            I suspect UKIP points the way-not to UKIP in government-but to a change which has the potential to seriously upset the status quo. It is for this reason that the current elite wish to tamp down the fires of a potential revolution. Once the electorate smell blood it will be very difficult to persuade them not to seek more of it. The Scottish referendum and the general voting apathy are opposing signs of an electorate looking to kick out the duopoly that has existed for years. The elite don’t like uncertainty and that’s what UKIP has the potential to create.

          • VacantPossession

            Yes, it’s exciting isn’t it? A party in which debate takes place.

          • Nockian

            If you are asking if I’m excited by it then the answer is no-but then I have never been one to become excited over which King should sit upon the throne.

            It’s obviously exciting for many people including yourself, but I say ‘a plague on all your houses’. I don’t need or, desire a ruler so it’s totally academic to me who sits there. Those that get excited by the prospect of a new King amuse me greatly.

          • VacantPossession

            I do find political debate interesting and I am excited when others are interested enough to contribute & be involved. I find it hopeful, whether in the context of a party or not.

          • Nockian

            Well you won’t find me disagreeing with your comment. There is certainly hope of constructive advance whenever there is open debate.

          • Richard Baranov

            You are, quite simply, talking nonsense. You obviously have no idea what UKIP represents, what it wants, or how it operates. A Libertarian party with such a large backing is unique in British politics, so it is hardly reactionary, it is quite a new phenomenon. Further I know no one in UKIP that suffers from nostalgia for the past other than that it prefers a country that can rule itself and control its own borders. That may be backward looking in your mind but others would call it two rather elementary characteristics of a sovereign state. Further, since UKIP wants to destroy the complacent status quo that has ruled us practically since W.W.II. in favour of something new and truly responsive to the democratic will of the people it is hardly taking a “look back in anger”, to use your silly phrase. In fact it is you, and people like you, who want to continue politics in the same moribund bankrupt fashion that you support who are looking backward. You and your antique ideas, attitudes and ruffled feathers while you squawk away about that you can’t comprehend, are rubbernecking the past, not UKIP.

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            You say Libertarian as if it is a good thing. Shame on you all for trivialising politics and disgracing our country. We wait to rejoice at your inevitable failure.

          • Russ Littler

            you are a disgrace to this country!

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            What? Wanting the best for everyone ,including the old and the frail is a disgrace now is it? Do any of you UKIPers visit Ypres every Armistice day ? Thought not, I do. Because I understand pride and sacrifice without co-opting it flippantly or selfishly.

          • Richard Baranov

            What a fool you are,
            “Libertarianism (Latin: liber, “free”) is a political philosophy that upholds liberty as its principal objective. Libertarians seek to maximize autonomy and freedom of choice, emphasizing political freedom, voluntary association, and the primacy of individual judgement.”
            If you think that is trivial then you are a pathetic spineless wimp who is only interested in being controlled by his masters like some inconsequential lap dog. Trivial! You are trivial for seeking to reduce human freedom, freedom of conscience and freedom of association to trivia. Don’t tell me that what I believe is “trivializing politics” when you obviously have no regard for decency. Go crawl up the fundament of your establishment. I’m sure you will enjoy the fetid air up there you pathetic toady. Fool!

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            Why head up your posts with a Yankee flag Richard? We have no truck with Tea Party self help tosh here. We help the weak not shun them.

          • Richard Baranov

            Pathetic reply by a pathetic person and entirely irrelevant to what I wrote. You are, quite obviously, a troll immune to rational argument or decency.

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            But the Green Party was formed in 1985 it is not antique. I see you feel opposition is indecent. Yanks always like an easy win.

          • Richard Baranov

            By the way, I use the American-British combo flag because I know it annoys narrow minded little bigots like you. And also because I lived there for a great deal of time.

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            A Yankee loudmouth wanting to tell us how to live

          • alfredo

            What was your most recent specific act of helping the weak, Stuart-Hargreaves pantomime horse? Ever heard of ‘pathological altruism’? There’s a lot of it about.

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            We broke the BNP and we will break your grim little alliance of bigots too.

          • Solage 1386

            Tomorrow belongs to You (and to Them.) You will possibly come to regret it, and look back with nostalgia at the fond hopes of yester-year, when all was well, all seemed fine, and all things were possible.

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            Are you suggesting we will regret the demise of UKIP? We won’t, we will pee ourselves laughing at this comedy of errors led by the chinless and the deranged.

          • Mike

            You’re version of “political debate” is merely to sling insults and screech. This is tactic of those who are consumed with the very hatred they are so eager to “find” in others.

          • alfredo

            I think you should be a little worried by the heat of your passion against people who exist purely in your imagination. UKIP as you describe it does not exist. You do realise this, don’t you? I think, like people who fulminate against gays, you’re really wrestling with some obscure internal demons. Unless, of course, you are both off your heads, which can’t be ruled out.

          • Cyril Sneer

            Is there any post you make where you don’t talk utter sh te?

            As usual with your kind, you smear, you lie and your comment is the least popular here.

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            I didn’t realise the aim was to be the most popular. To hell with facts and honesty lets just try and fit in. Please let me know which bit of my comment is a lie.

          • Richard Baranov

            You play fast and loose with “facts and honesty” so you are in no position to criticise anyone. You’re truly ridiculous.

          • alfredo

            Since when has AA Gill – or you – been an authority on what goes on in the heads of people you’ve never met or spoken to? The irony is that people support UKIP because they have a much shrewder understanding of what has ‘happened since 1980′ than you probably have.Have you the slightest idea how offensively patronising your contribution is? D’ haut en bas isn’t in it.

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            What the clientele of Wetherspoons are shrewd now?

      • VacantPossession

        It’s good to know that Milliband & Cameron are so tolerant of their members they have no need of three line whips.

        • Abie Vee

          So, er… that’s all right then is it?

          • Wessex Man

            ah bless.

      • Wessex Man

        ah there’s a bitter kipper who was thrown out I expect, strangest iron fist I know when he buys us all a drink or two!

      • Complete cods.

    • McQueue

      Yes – even Harriet Yeo stated it is about fundamental issues – the fact is, the Patient has cancer, Ukip is the only Surgeon who recognises what is required and wishes to cut the malignant, invasive, pathogenic growth out before it kills us, whilst the other Parties are interested that the disease is continuing to grow nicely with blithe disregard for the well being of us, the metaphorical Patient.

      • dalai guevara

        You two have no idea what “democracy” or “self-determination” is.

        You are subjects not citizens. Not even the gas/oil/coal beneath your feet is yours to keep. You do not decide who and when some other chaps print the money you are forced to use. It’s not your money. You do not control your press and what it reports. You have no idea what your executive is actually up to nor do you have a real interest in it. You get all excited about inconsequential stuff whilst forgetting about the important stuff. You do not even know what the important stuff is otherwise you would not be writing what you write.

        • gerontius redux

          “You two have no idea what “democracy” or “self-determination” is.”

          You’re having a teenage strop Dalai.
          You’ll grow out of it – If we’re lucky

        • McQueue

          We disagree, and I would say the first place for you to start is to consider in what direction you want things to go – restoring these fundamentals is very much the direction I would like my country to move towards – on sovereign ownership, and the “violence inherent within the system” well….. it’s a different topic – However I feel on that, it doesn’t change other matters that matter strongly to me – I suspect you are being a prat.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOOTKA0aGI0

          • EUROJESUS

            Why does the nation state equal democratic sovereignty?
            That’s all a bit 1920s.

          • McQueue

            Why not? Smaller would be better in my book – people self-identify as a group and seek to govern and defend themselves – it’s a lot older than the 20s, mate.
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          • EUROJESUS

            Well of course it is older – it’s still a bit 1920s, mate.
            Incidentally, how do you think I would rank ‘why not?’ as a response to my question?

            The European intelligentsia has European roots. It’s a lot older than the 1920s, mate.

          • McQueue

            We are not European and my Country is also a lot older than the 1920s.

            European Intelligentsia is a contradiction in terms.

            Why do you think anyone would care how you rank anything? Better still, answer the question – why should we look to change to a far less democratic system, rather than maintain our national system that has worked fine for us – your argument is false, unwanted change for the sake of unwanted change – a giant experiment – countries are borne of blood, we do not need new superstates and foreign masters.

          • EUROJESUS

            Every morning after you get up you Bartok down your croissant. Then you Autobahn to work, you Rousseau what you sow all day, return to the chateau you call your home, Plato down your dinner, Endemol in your leisure time and Vivaldi yourself to sleep.

            Claiming you were not European and having no European conscience would be a truly uneducated thing to do. I can see where you are coming from.

          • McQueue

            What absolute tosh – It was very much the norm in the 70s and 80s for Britons to regard themselves as British – the notion of being “European” is a modern construct – Germans are German, French are French, Polish are Polish – You be European if you like, it’s the equivalent of saying any other geographic space, but there is no European nationality or identity.

            We disagree fundamentally, and your argument is drivel in my opinion.

            Uneducated? I believe you mean un-brainwashed.

          • EUROJESUS

            You can’t let go, mate.

            Identity is a fluent construct based on personal and group experiences.

            How is democratic sovereignty causally dependent on the existence of a nation state?

            It isn’t! Get over it.

          • McQueue

            We disagree on who can’t let go – my points are made and stand just fine,…. get over it!!

          • EUROJESUS

            What do you mean we disagree?
            You cannot explain why you necessarily link democratic sovereignty with the nation state. It’s not causally linked. There is no disagreement when you cannot prove otherwise, you are just being awkward.

            Democratic sovereignty exists on many levels not just one. It begins on a personal/family unit level and ends on a global one.

          • McQueue

            Yes, I can actually, and already have – it has always been associated with Nation States and City States, and I do not recognise the EU as either my nation or my State, neither do I regard it as particularly democratic. Self-identifying people organising their affairs.

            The EU has made Nations into Satrapies, and is not a democratic representation that I recognise. Global one? Which is that then? You are absurd

            What do I mean “we disagree?”….my goodness, a moron – well done you.

          • well done and well said. I usually haven’t got the patience

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            But nationalism only grew with the Railways in the 1840s. Nationalism has had its dayday. That is why UKIP is such an out of date bad joke.

          • McQueue

            I disagree and your point makes no sense.

          • Cobbett

            I think you forgot to tell the Ukrainians and Russians that…I’m sure they will be happy to hear it.

          • Tom M

            …..nationalism only grew with the Railways in the 1840s….
            Really? I’m thinking 1789 and the French revolution. But then there are plenty other examples of nationhood before that. Egypt, Greece, Rome………

          • JeanClaudeCameron

            And now our armies will be united next. When will you ever learn who is in charge? Not you.

          • McQueue

            Your comment syntax is so poorly constructed it is impossible to be certain of your meaning.
            —– Reply message —–

          • JeanClaudeCameron

            The meaning will only come to you when the deal is done. You will come to the party about twenty years behind the times, as usual.

          • McQueue

            Pointless put downs. We will resist, as we do – the record is 2-0 so far.
            —– Reply message —–

          • McQueue

            “Identity is a fluent construct based on personal and group experiences.”….. social engineering 101 – why do you believe this dangerous nonsense?

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            The majority of So called British are in fact Spanish or Belgian.

          • McQueue

            D’accord!! What an absurd statement.

          • Cobbett

            Don’t I just despise your kind.

          • Cobbett

            Of course we’re European. Doesn’t mean love of the EU.

          • McQueue

            “Nous sommes maritimes” to paraphrase Charles De Gaule. When I was a kid the indoctrination started that we should call ourselves European – everyone I knew disagreed and regarded it as a meaningless term in comparison to being British. This is perfectly rational given both our geography and British / European history. The notion of being European as an identity has been promoted for political purposes, against our history and heritage, and in contradiction to our historic political identity.
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          • Closedshop

            States comprised off several nations. That is so pre-18.

            In many places people had to resort to armed action to assert their sovereignty.

      • Zando

        Harriet Yeo was a real slap in the face for Miliband and Labour, Chairman of the NEC!!!…………………they must be less than pleased.

        • McQueue

          it shows how serious and absolutely fundamental these issues are that she has said this – they will be most displeased 🙂
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      • henryGrattan1800

        load of bollocks

        • McQueue

          how very incisive and so considered. They must have feared you down at the debating society
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          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            To be fair, Henry makes an excellent point.

          • McQueue

            Pity neither of you wish to support your sentiment with argument. Just thinking you are right is very different from demonstrating you are. For me, this is like talking to a child.

      • Cobbett

        I’m afraid the condition is terminal – there really is no hope of a recovery.

        • McQueue

          Time will tell

    • armeniaman

      Will you get rid of the monarchy? The secret government of the UK.

    • nekomuna celo

      Why should I vote for a party that puts the interests of International Business ahead of those of the British People

      • John Carins

        So you will be voting for the Communists then?

        • nekomuna celo

          Why?

        • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

          Not sure the Communists are standing in any seats, not since 1992.

      • asdfkjahsdlfk

        How do they put the interests of international business first? ukip has repeated claimed that they are against corporatism (the oligarchical dominance of international firms, including TTIP) and pro real capitalism. most international businesses want the uk to remain in the eu – ukip’s raison d’etre is to get out

        • nekomuna celo

          International business extends beyond the EU. UKIP are basically a ‘free market’ political party. Sadly today free market no longer means what it says, it is a euphemism for corporate exploitation. The markets have been rigged to serve the needs of international businesses and banks. I see nothing in UKIP’s policies that would change this and put the interests of the people first.

      • Closedshop

        Don’t vote Labour then.

        • nekomuna celo

          Labour/UKIP, no difference

    • henryGrattan1800

      bunch of old farts with the average age of 65, with the old nasty racist prejudices befitting the 1960’s, with frog eyed Farage as the spiv master, more at home with Enoch Powell and the Blackshirts combined with a small minded suburban view of anything “foreign”…using love of country as an excuse, as Sam Johnson said” Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel”

      • alfredo

        This is intended as self-parody, right? You are to be congratulated; where you’re coming from an ability to laugh at oneself is unusual.

      • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

        UKIP want hip replacements for whites only,plus free steradent and battenberg cake.

    • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

      Leaving the EU would be political and economic suicide. UKIP would impoverish us and have us alone and vunerable for ba kward dogmatic spite.

    • JohnCrichton89

      Too little, too late.

      And that’s if UKIP got a majority, which they wont. All this does is give people like me time to finish my education and head for the life boats, it’s not like UKIP can/would deport the (soon to be majority) Muslim demographic now residing within the UK’s borders……

      • porcelaincheekbones

        and we have toy soldiers

    • Des Demona

      ”UKIP’s policy of wanting to return self determination to the British people is the only policy that matters.”
      You mean the only policy they have?

      • John Carins

        Glad that you accept this as UKIP policy.

  • David Bell

    It’s getting a little ‘old hat’ to say Ukip have no policies. Just Google “Policies for People”. Then make your mind up, but I guess many of you have closed minds here. Labour supporters have been voting Labour for years …. and they are still in the same place, poor and disadvantaged. May be time for a new party.

    • Richard Baranov

      Many years ago, a friend of mine passed his 11+ he told his father he would like, eventually, to go to university. His father responded by giving my friend a vigorous backhander with the remark: “The factory (Tilling Stevens, Maidstone) is good enough for me, it’s good enough for you.” Typical Labour mentality and why they “are still in the same place, poor and disadvantaged.” To quote you, David. Labour may change its spots but it’s still a bunch of pathetic reactionaries going nowhere and achieving nothing.
      Look at Telemachus’s drivel, it may as well be the Labour party in the 50’s singing the dreary “international” and calling each other ‘brother’ in their drab little meetings with the half educated union representative giving forth with endless hot air weeping over the plight of the comrades.

      • fubar_saunders

        Spot on. And they have the chutzpah to whinge about social mobility when its in their DNA not to make it happen…..

        • Abie Vee

          But of course, in the UK that was then, this is now. Today’s youngsters are far more aspirational, not for them the drudgery of the corner shop, or the wage-slavery of their parents in dark satanic mills. The Russell Group’s research shows that almost a third of university entrants are from working class households (in total, 37% of the UK’s population is estimated to come from routine and manual occupations).

          This is 2015, not 1945. There is no going back.

          • fubar_saunders

            No disagreement from me, there. 🙂

          • Ivan Ewan

            Not to worry, I’ve had my aspirations beaten out of me by the state already.

            In five years’ time I hope to be working on a factory floor for free.

          • Hybird

            And when they finish uni they slide effortlessly into life either on the dole or flip burgers.
            And why? As a young graduate on a DT blog explained yesterday – He was lucky enough to get a decent enough job in London. In his office were nine other employees. Six were foreign born and of those who weren’t, only he was white. This is replacement on a massive scale.

          • Abie Vee

            Do they really? What, ALL of them? I find that very hard to believe. If you’re right, the entire student loan scheme is one monstrous scam. Brought to you by the Coalition.

            And really, I’m not interested in anecdotal gossip from your mates. on the DT.

          • Richard Baranov

            Well here is another anecdote that backs Abbie. My daughter left this country because she saw no prospects for her. In short succession 7 of her friends have done exactly the same thing. Two have gone, along with my daughter to the U.S.A., the others have gone to Australia. You are living in cuckoo land if you think the young adults think things are hunky dory in the U.K.

          • Jeff Thompson

            What percentage of today’s young girls will get raped by your Muslim Rapist mates/partners/allies. You make me want to vomit.

          • Richard Baranov

            What has 1945 got to do with it? The incident I’m talking about was in the late 1960’s. But you are missing the obvious, my friend was “aspirational” his father wasn’t. That you can’t recognize that kids in those days were “aspirational” simply proves my point, you share the same mentality as my friends father, you are a reactionary, and that is why you and people like you are dinosaurs with nothing relevant to say. Your left wing cant contributes exactly zero to the well being of society.

          • Mike

            We have huge university drop out rates. We now have many young people with graduate level qualifications having to settle for jobs not requiring graduate qualifications at all, or paying the sort of wages graduates could once expect. The whole mad expansion of HE was another expensive, ultimately futile LibLab Con disaster (started by the Major government) . It was done not because it was necessary, but so the political class could boast about how many more were now going into HE than did in the past. An appalling, but all too typical waste of resources by a useless political leadership, which should have gone to fund apprenticeships and higher technicians etc which was what the country actually needed .

          • Abie Vee

            The Student Contributions To The UK Economy report clearly shows the active financial benefits that the UK enjoys because of its student population. Far from being the financial burden and problem often portrayed students are an asset to the economy. Allow me:

            The immediate value of students to the UK economy is £80 billion.

            Student expenditure supports over 830,000 UK jobs.

            In the UK, the number of employed people directly and indirectly supported by student spending is more than the total population of Liverpool.

            Including more than 109,000 jobs in Scotland and 35,000 jobs in Wales.

            In Scotland four out of ten people are employed directly and indirectly by student spend.

            £138,199 total benefit to the public purse per average student in higher education.

            I’m tempted to ask, have you the faintest ides of what you’re talking about?

          • Mike

            I’m talking about the thousands of individuals who have ended up in jobs/will end up in jobs not requiring a higher education at all after being conned into doing it. The country does not require this, they didn’t require it. We need skilled tradesmen and technicians – for whom full time higher education is unnecessary – it is here that the resources used to expand the full time student population in HE should have gone/should be going. What you are talking about is support jobs which come from, the student population – a different issue.

          • Abie Vee

            Some waste. HE generates £80 billion a year.

      • Donafugata

        Quite, it’s telemucus and his party that is stuck in the 1950s nostalgia mode.

    • Abie Vee

      UKIP reminds me very much of the old Groucho Marx line: “these are my principles; and if you don’t like them, well I have others”.

      • Wessex Man

        You remind me very much of Gordon Brown.

      • Jeff Thompson

        You remind me about all those victims in Halifax, Rochdale, Oxford & Rotherham. You’re vile.

    • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

      UKIP have no policies.

      • David Bell

        @Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves, Ukip have a policy of supporting people with mental health issues, so you should find yourselves benefiting once they are elected.

        • Mike

          It was the uncaring LabCon which closed the mental hospitals, sold the land to private developers, and chucked the hapless former tenants into the joke system of “care in the community”.

  • kho

    now PEGIDA are holding demonstrations in newcastle ukip have got a bit of competition.

    they need to differentiate themselves because they’re in a bit of a crowded field: EDL, BNP and now PEGIDA

    • gerontius redux

      Well this is what happens when you turn a peaceful, civilised country into a third world one. – Not everybody benefits from the enrichment.

    • fubar_saunders

      In the minds of the politically thick as two short planks, maybe so. But if voters are that thick that their IQ barely reaches room temperature, maybe they should ask whether these planks should be allowed to vote in the first place.

    • VacantPossession

      Good try, your remarks are significantly less valid than Labour harking back to Stalinist policies. Even being generous, Miliband is more Brezhnev than Bevan.
      No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin.
      Aneurin Bevan

      They are a lovely crowd, the left.

      • Abie Vee

        Strangely… Bevan was, and is, right.

        • Hybird

          I wonder what Keir Hardie – who opposed immigration and had some very “UKlP ideas” about foreigners – would think of the party he founded being responsible for importing over 3 million immigrants. I would think he’d be very sorry to see that the Labour Party had completely abandoned the British working class and decided to import a new one from the 3rd World.

        • VacantPossession

          Interesting viewpoint, I am more Voltaire than Bevan. I find much wrong with modern conservatism however I tend to tolerance. What is tolerance? It is the consequence of humanity. We are all formed of frailty and error; let us pardon reciprocally each other’s folly – that is the first law of nature.

          This is my truth, tell me yours.

          • Abie Vee

            I find it hard to pardon people who tread me into the gutter. As I quickly learnt at school: never let the fat kids go unsupervised near the chocolate cakes.

            And, um, I always thought the first law of nature was kill or be killed?

          • VacantPossession

            The good news is you have a chance to express that wish on May 7th and I wish you well. Your right is the same as mine.

            On chocolate, it’s always a good idea to keep an eye on the supervisor too. It is a founding flaw of any argument in favour of ‘Big Chocolate Government’.

            An answer to your last point regarding Voltaire’s interpretation of the laws of nature, “Kill or be killed” can be re-framed as ‘Defend thyself’, in which case you will have your chance on May 7th, whatever your beliefs.

    • Well they attracted mostly EDL and National Front so it was no different to any other grubby far right get together

    • Cyril Sneer

      Pegida – non political
      EDL – non political.

      BNP and UKIP – political party.

      Why do people like you continue to get confused with this?

      The rise of Pegida and EDL is a direct result of progressive policies forced on this nation. Tommy Robinson addressed the Oxford Union and explained why the EDL was formed – you’d do well to look this up and actually learn something for once instead of reverting to same old bigotry exercised.

    • Jeff Thompson

      Rapist-Loving B*stard.

      • Solage 1386

        Jeff, you’re in the wrong place. You need to go to the Daily Express. There, you will find many like-minded individuals who’s views (and earthy language) will coincide with your own. I myself, as “Miss Floribunda Rose”, often air my views there! (800 comments in 10 months…….it’s mental, but it needs to be done!)

  • Molly NooNar

    While I agree Labour’s status in the North is inexorably declining, UKIP will probably struggle to be much more than an also ran. You can’t hope to run two radically different campaigns in different parts of the country because people know that its not credible. Imagine the crazy world where UKIP won enough seats to form a government- how would it make law? In the South, with Farage, it wants to destroy the NHS and replace it with private insurance, but MPs in the North for UKIP promised their constituents they want to keep the NHS and fund it. How can you move forward with two distinctly different views and aims? Since Farage, alone, determines UKIP policy and decisions, the debate is moot.

    • Richard Baranov

      And which propaganda group do you work for? Because almost nothing you say in your post about UKIP is true and it must take wilful ignorance on your part to make the false remarks in your post, it’s either that or you are deliberately trying to spread falsehoods for malicious reasons.

      • Molly NooNar

        Where is the propaganda in my post? The remarks are a matter of public record.

        • Richard Baranov

          Oh really! Then please provide the evidence for your statement that on the NHS UKIP has one policy for the North and one for the South.

          • Abie Vee

            That is to completely miss the point. He/she is saying that UKIP will have to have two policies in order to satisfy the two opposing wings of UKIP: the ex-Tory ultra-right wingers, and the ex-Labour left wingers.

            NOW do you get it? D’oh!

          • Richard Baranov

            No, I’m not “missing the point” she is lying and you are backing up her lie by fabricating your own interpretation. Just typical of an amoral left winger to whom truth is a stranger.

          • Jeff Thompson

            Whereas the southern Labour Party uses Pakistani rape gangs… And the northern Labour Party uses the SAME Pakistani rape gangs.

          • Louise Boers – NW MEP – Wants to keep the NHS. Farage Southern MEP and man who dictates the policy has as recently as january said he wants the NHS to be sold off. There you go

          • milford

            Name the articles. Give links.

          • Richard Baranov

            He can’t, he is full of hot air.

          • Richard Baranov

            This was a debate within UKIP, it hardly constituted official policy for UKIP. I know that other parties don’t allow for free thinking, that’s why they are washed up has beens. But UKIP is democratic and people are actually allowed to voice opinions, who would have thought, such a novel idea!
            And Farage does not dictate policy. That is simply a nonsense.
            Personally, I think the NHS should be taken off life support and allowed to die. If it were a person it would clearly be a person with dementia, cancer and seriously incontinent. The emotional dribbling of its supporters does no one any favours, least of all those who use it. It is perfectly obvious to any rational person that the NHS in its present form is unsustainable and incredibly damaging to society.

          • Jeff Thompson

            Rapist-Loving B*stard.

        • Aberrant_Apostrophe

          If you are referring to what Farage said last January, then perhaps you should read the relevant article in full to appreciate the context in which he mentioned privatisation, and why UKIP rejected it:

          http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-nhs-might-have-to-be-replaced-by-private-health-insurance-9988904.html

          Incidentally, there is no mention of ‘privatisation in the south’. That would appear to be something you have made up.

    • Grumpy

      There is a constant Labour/SWP drone that UKIP wish to “privatise the NHS” and, as evidence, quote one phrase of an hour-long Farage speech made over a year ago where he speculated that with rising costs and an aging population, “one-day”, Britain may have to look to some form of an insurance based scheme to supplement or even fund the NHS. So why do you tell lies? Is it pig-ignorance or wilful propaganda?

      • Abie Vee

        Um, we have an insurance-based scheme, in part, already: National Insurance. What we mean by “privatise” is to allow private insurance companies to cream-off vast profits from the NHS, as happens in the USA.

        That process cannot be squared with Farage’s other pronouncements of an NHS “free at the point of use”. It’s contradictory.

        Or maybe it’s just “pig ignorance or wilful propaganda”?

        • Aberrant_Apostrophe

          It’s not contradictory at all. The NHS will still continue to be funded by taxation, mainly by general taxation and about 26% through NI, and at the point of delivery it will still be free. The issue you are really talking about is how health care is delivered. Since about 6% of NHS funding already goes to the private sector, as a result of Labour initiatives (and that excludes their disastrous PFI experimentation), the question is whether the taxpayer would get more ‘bangs for their buck’ from a public or a private sector run service. If you are concerned that the private sector might ‘cream off’ vast profits, one could equally argue that the alternative is that the public sector already p*sses much of the money up the wall. After all, Labour virtually doubled NHS funded, all for a mere 23% increase in productivity.

          • Abie Vee

            You call 23% “mere”? Phew.

            Farage plays semantic and Sophist tricks upon the gullible. “Free at the point of delivery” means nothing if that treatment so received has to be backed by private insurance. In which case, all you are saying is that you won’t have to part with cash to the NHS for your treatment in A&E (or whatever), but you will have to part with your cash beforehand to a private insurer.

            See? It’s duplicity of the very highest order. In effect this free treatment of yours will be paid for three times over in most cases; by general taxation, National Insurance and private insurance.

            Yup, way to go Nige.

          • Aberrant_Apostrophe

            If your employer doubled your salary and your resulting productivity increased by 23%, I suspect your employer would use a rather fruiter phrase than ‘mere’, along with demoting – or even sacking – you.

            As for Farage ‘playing semantic and Sophist tricks upon the gullible’, that’s only because you are putting words into his mouth. The only time that he has mentioned private health insurance is in discussions about solving the ever-increasing demand on the health system as the population ages. In fact, he was overruled by his other UKIP colleagues, who insisted that the NHS should be funded through taxes, so there is no ‘paying three times over’. So much for ‘Farage ruling UKIP with an iron fist’ as you claimed in another post.

            As for the benefits or otherwise of private insurance schemes, you are aware that other European countries, notably Germany and France, have a part private insurance funded system, which seems to work better than the NHS. Perhaps the UK could learn from them?

          • At some point all those from whatever party will have to get it in their heads that the NHS cannot survive by Taxpayers money alone, unless everyone accepts being stung by tax even more than they are now, A sensible discussion on other options needs to take place. Just think how much more money could be put in the NHS without costing us anymore in taxes by using the money we give away to the EU, Foreign aid etc.

          • milford

            Yes because they threw it all at the management class they created. This class of management is a parasite on the NHS and will destroy it.

        • milford

          At least he’s not just lying through his teeth.
          Labour and Cons say they’ll save the NHS. I work in the NHS and I can assure you that LabCon have been dismantling it cynically from within for years. They’ve created a huge management who are creaming of vast amounts of tax payers money (salaries start at 80k) while their remit is to close wards, clinics, out-source cleaning services, canteens, food etc and bring in entrepreneurs to ‘modernise’ (make millions out of) existing services. It’s outrageous that they should be claiming they are saving it when they’re selling it of in parcels to the highest bidder.

        • Grumpy

          I suggest pig-ignorance deliberately cultivated. Half of the developed world has ” private insurance” based health systems that fund part of medical services with part being funded from general taxation and insurance companies do not make huge profits either-. If you care to actually examine how medical aid/medical insurance systems work outside of America they seem to a darn sight better job at a lower cost that the British National Sickness Service.

        • Jeff Thompson

          Ah, like Andy ‘Mid Staffs’ Burnham the mass murderer, and his PFI sale of the NHS?

    • milford

      Conservative and Labour governments have been dismantling the NHS from within for years. They just lie through their teeth. All the money they give the NHS goes on out-sourcing, contracting and management. Patients and nurses get no benefit whatsoever.

    • Jeff Thompson

      You’re a F*cking idiot. You write Gateshead Labour Party’s election leaflets, and I claim my ten pounds.

  • Mark Jones

    I will be voting UKIP along with my family (all ex Labour).

    • Abie Vee

      Whoopee. Me and my family won’t. So, er…. who cares?

      • Cyril Sneer

        You obviously do otherwise you wouldn’t have written that bitter post.

        Are you the latest hater on these forums who can’t stand to see people posting their support for a party that you don’t like?

        • Abie Vee

          Oh I see… you can champion your fruitcakes while I have to remain silent about mine. I suppose that’s what you call freedom of speech.

          • Wessex Man

            You can champion you bacon buttie murderer, Jack Straw, It’s a Balls up and all your other nutters as much as you like as far as I’m concerned.

          • Russ Littler

            Abbie Vee, tell us your vision on the future of “your” Great Britain, Are you proud to be British? Do you like the Britain that took a thousand years to develop it’s own identity and culture, or would you be happier with a Ghetto’ised, non intergrating society, where the state dictates what you may say, and think, or do you think that the indigenous Anglo-Saxon/Celts who made it great should shut up and let you denigrate the values that many of us hold dear?

          • Abie Vee

            “Proud to be British”. No. I’m proud to be a Londoner (greatest city on Earth). But I feel no particular affinity with lager-swilling louts, financial sector spivs (in fact I HATE them), and the uber rich.

            A thousand years for what? Every other country has a history. Apart from a brief flurry of exploration and enslavement, ours is no different especially.

            When people start appropriating the terms “culture” and “national identity” and “indigenous people” for their own perverted uses, I automatically reach for my AK 47. I know full well that I’m in the presence of scoundrels.

            It’s simply a gross conceit to imagine that your particular culture (whatever that’s supposed to mean) is in some way superior to everyone else’s. I’ve been to the far east and seen how it works… they do not shove their old people into care-homes to die alone and forgotten. There is no state-aid for them to fall back on… everything they have, from healthcare to housing they pay for.

            In my book there’s only one race: the human race.

          • Russ Littler

            Ah, I see now why your so out of touch with the rest of the UK, your from London. London is a separate country from the rest of Britain isn’t it, and you are definitely not British. If I have to explain it to you I rest my case.

          • Solage 1386

            So you think that there is no such thing as an Australian aborigine or native American, that they are not “indigenous”; and that the Japanese, Indians, Chinese, Thais, Tanzanians, et cetera, do not possess their own individual cultures (whatever that’s supposed to mean)? Also, you would be happy to see half the population of–for example–Nigeria move into–for example–Laos? I envy your idealism! If only everybody thought as you do, the world would enter a Golden Age. Alas, this is not the case–which is precisely why your idealism is so naïve and dangerous.

          • Abie Vee

            On the other hand, that is why you are totally bereft of ideas.

            You distort and miss my point by a country mile. I am saying what works for them, works for them. Democracy is not a panacea for all the world’s ills. Many cultures do spectacularly well without it.

            (I have first hand experience of Japanese culture… its far superior to ours).

            But this so-called “British culture” you people prattle on about has me puzzled… what DO you mean by it? Is it Bingo, fish and chips, warm beer, food banks, child poverty, abandoned lonely old people, imprisonment without trial, secret justice, corruption, two million people in inadequate housing, child abuse, fawning sycophancy, hypocrisy, prejudice, hatred of other races, hatred of each other, drug abuse, crumbling infrastructure, austerity for the poor, riches beyond the dreams of avarice for the top few percent, illegal wars of aggression? Zat it? !

          • Solage 1386

            If you hate your own culture so very much perhaps you should climb to the top of the Gherkin and toss yourself off…….There is no hope for you, and you are beyond all help. Fancy a pink gin? Cheers!

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            ….toss yourself off ….!

          • Bonkim

            So what are you doing here?

          • Tom Allalone

            He/she/it is feeling immensely superior while being too stupid to see that a culture which values such things as equality, democracy and free speech is superior than one that doesn’t. It’s good to see such posts because they’re a reminder of the irrationality and hate that underpins cultural relativism. Ultimately one of the key British values is tolerance, it’s even extended to mindless pr1cks who think sneering at their fellow citizens demonstrates sophistication

          • Bonkim

            Go along with all that and stiff upper lip is O.K but not allow idiots to set the terms of reference. Yes one has to be tolerant and kick out the intolerant withour argument.

          • Mike

            Next time the left demonize someone for wearing black face or wearing a native American outfit to a fancy dress, tell them in no uncertain terms to shut up, as it’s impossible to ideologically offend anyone by doing this as we are all exactly the same.

          • Vote UKIP

            Ooh look at you with your principles. When did you arrive?

          • Mike

            I have no hesitation in asserting western secular liberal culture and society, as developed over centuries in this country and similar ones, is preferable to me than the culture of present day Islamist states. In fact I dislike Islamic state cultures/social norms as much as I would have disliked the “Christian” theocratic ones once common in the western world centuries ago. I see the culture and society of Imperial Germany of 1870 – 1918 as far preferable to the Hitlerite one of 1933 – 45.
            It seems I am being grossly deluded and conceited in making such value judgements.

            Yes – societies with huge infant mortality rates and where adults tend to die before middle age are preferable to ones like ours – where, shock horror..there are rich people (how vile!). Oh where would the left be without their “hate”. What if there weren’t such Aunt Sally’s as rich people – how could the left then parade their righteous sanctimony like those puritans of old despising sinners which they are so reminiscent of? I wonder if he/she counts former communists like Mandelson, hard leftists like the late people’s tribune Tony Benn, and Wussy Russell Brand, among the rich he/she “hates”.

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            I am not British, I am English….and European. Britain is a failed concept.

          • Russ Littler

            While there’s people like you in it I guess your right, but some of us will do our utmost to preserve a country that my relatives fought and died for. I find your attitude very sad, your lack of passion or commitment to our nation is deplorable.

          • Jeff Thompson

            Your mob aren’t fruitcakes. They’re very careful, efficient and deliberate in their promotion and assistance of Mass Child Rape.

        • Max Permissible

          Are you the latest hater on these forums who can’t stand to see people posting their support for a party that you don’t like?

          Like the UKIP supporters, gleefully panning the LIbLabCon sheeple? Or is that somehow different?

          • Jeff Thompson

            Filthy Rape-Appeasing, Sheeple, Labour Kunt.

          • Max Permissible

            Go play in the traffic, slaphead.

      • twinscrew

        YOU should,, if you care about your family.

        • Abie Vee

          It’s precisely because we DO care that we will not be voting for the Fruitcakes Party. Dear me no.

          • Jeff Thompson

            Yeah, vote for the Rape Gangs, you Rapist-Loving deviant Spunktrench.

          • Nanko Costers

            Typical Kipper wnkr – nothing but stupid insults and vapid threats. Looks like an impotent slaphead too, and probably some kind of pervert to boot.

      • Wessex Man

        You obviously or you wouldn’t keep on and on about it.

    • I won’t be and none of my family or friends will be

      • The Wiganer

        What did you threaten them with? Job losses? Having their kids taken away?

        • Wessex Man

          nah, he hasn’t got any family or friends!

          • The Wiganer

            Sorry, forgot that postal voting means that you can ensure your family and friends ‘vote for the right person’.

        • Max Permissible

          Perhaps he promised to stop going on and on and on….

      • Ivan Ewan

        That’s nice. Did you threaten to mobilise hundreds of people with SWP-funded slogans? “THE PEOPLE OF WHATEVER UNITED AGAINST EDLNEWS’ RACIST FAMILY” sounds likely.

        Maybe you showed them that video of your kind beating up a woman for not sharing your ideas?

      • Jeff Thompson

        ‘The Rape Mob’ for you, is it?

      • Vote UKIP

        I bet you have lots of friends!

    • jamesbarn

      Me Too

    • Daz

      Same here, all seven members of my family are ex labour voters and we will all be voting UKIP.

    • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

      Sad misguided oaf.

  • John Moss

    UKIP’s “strategy” is to ensure a Labour win, after which it expects the Conservative party to fracture, with it picking up the pieces.

    That this will leave a divided Right, out of power for decades is irrelevant to them. They keep their status as home to all the protest votes, their cushy MEP sinecures in Brussels and no prospect ever of having to deliver on their promises.

    That they are prepared to put their personal and party interest ahead of the interests of the country tells you all you need to know about them.

    • Caps Lock

      UKIP are the only party that put Country before party. For a pathetic Tory, of all people to accuse us of not caring for the Country after the damage that Cameron and tories have done in the last five years is incedible.

    • blingmun

      The Tories have done more to sign away powers to the EU than any other party, they love big State projects like HS2, they support green taxes and international development for foreign dictators, weapon systems and the Indian space program and meanwhile they cut back our own military to the bone.

      At least the Labour party does all these things for ideological reasons.

      Destroying the Tories is a necessary pre-condition to getting this country back on its feet.

      • Mike

        All true, right back to the original traitor – fat Ted.

    • pp22pp

      They cannot be worse than the traitorous filth in the mainstream parties whose leaders belong at the end of a rope for flooding the country with the Third World, lying to involve us in immoral wars, leaving FGM and grooming gangs unpunished for decades, abolishing freedom of speech in the name of diversity and carpeting over our country with concrete. And what did Leon and his friends get up to in their spare time?

    • Michael McG

      I pity you if you are really that cynical.

    • Chingford Man

      The Tories have long hoovered up right wing support, and then betrayed that constituency in government. Bad luck John: you won’t be getting another chance to do that.

      See you soon on the Chingford doorsteps.

      BTW, if you really wanted to stop your sister party, you’d be urging Tory voters in places like Heywood and Middleton or Rotherham to vote UKIP to remove the local Labour MP. But of course you won’t.

    • Cyril Sneer

      What an utterly moronic statement.

      You make the same old tired mistake in thinking that the Tories and UKIP are the same – they are not and that the Tory party is still a right wing party. You’re b tching because your party could lose the election due to the rise of UKIP – you’re losing votes to another party because you haven’t addressed the concerns of those leaving you – do you not understand that? Huh? Hellooo McFly, anyone in there???

      You somehow think your party has a god given right to rule and not represent the wishes of the electorate? Wake up. You have a libdem leading your party and you’ve alienated a core section of your electorate who USED to vote for you. And, you blame UKIP? Hilarious.

      Enjoy May, hope your party gets the kicking of its life.

    • VacantPossession

      Surely you must see the humour, hypocracy & chutzpah in your post? I can only assume it is an attempt at comedy.

      You cannot blame another party for the abject failure of Cameron to listen to voters or his wilful avoidance; He is wrong on many counts and he knows it, so please stop whinging, it is unbecoming. I could write a long list of his accelerating slide into mediocrity but what is the point, I might as well wait for May 7th.

      If you set out to mock, ignore, asset strip, take for granted, mislead & just plain lie to voters then unsurprisingly there will be a reckoning. Even after extending the period to a comfy fixed 5 years the reckoning will come. Even avoiding taking part in a candidates debate won’t stop the reckoning.

      Cameron does have a few very smart & talented people around him (I am not thinking or GO or BJ here). They would do their country a service by jumping ship and letting Cameron go and join the party of his his natural inclination, the Liberal Democrats.

      We have 5 minutes of democracy when we vote and then we are all stuffed, ignored & taken for granted for another five years.

      Use it well.

    • Solage 1386

      In your final sentence you’ve got things @rse over tit. The truth is the exact opposite of what you say it is.

    • Mike

      Cameron’s government isn’t a conservative one/ one that advocates national self determination. Their kind are certainly not welcome in Ukip unless they demonstrate a massive change in fundamental principles.

  • littleted

    The collapse of the Scottish Labour vote is because they see the SNP as a better way to bash England – their ancient and bitter enemy (bitter on the part of the Scots, that is).

    Despite the referendum result the nationalists want to pee off England enough to kick Scotland out of the union. The 19th century Irish Nationalists are their model.

    Returning SNP MPs to Westminster would be far more effective to that cause than voting Labour.

    England’s Labour heartlands are differently motivated. For a start, they are English.

    If UKIP wants to steal their votes they should not use Scotland as a model.

  • Mr_Twister

    With demographics changing DRASTICALLY
    With Postal Voting fraud honing its game
    With proposed online voting……..

    2020 is too late…..UPIK need to wag the dog from May this year….or it’s curtains for the UK….(previously GREAT Britain)

    • licjjs

      Couldn’t agree more.

    • milford

      And they want to bring in voting for children – that is- 16yr olds.
      If they expect 16yr olds to know what they are voting for they should bring in politics as a compulsory subject in schools.

      • Max Permissible

        Yes, we already have enough people far older than 16 who have no sodding idea what they’re voting for.

        • Blakenburg

          Because they have always voted for a particular party, because their parents did !

          • Max Permissible

            That can hardly explain the UKIPpers.

          • Blakenburg

            Education comes to Mind!

          • Blakenburg

            Many want a change, even the UKIPers. UKIPers were formally supporters or members of the old parties and decided change was needed and created this new party. So, I agree with your response and say some saw the light and stopped being led down the garden path and became active with common sense !

          • Mike

            I never supported any of the old parties. Ukip is the first I feel I can support.

      • Ivan Ewan

        Good idea, we know how the teaching unions are all fair-minded and even-handed with politics.

        • Blakenburg

          Level playing field but with heavy Left Wing Propaganda at the fore!

        • milford

          Yes that’s my point. Are we going to politicise children?
          I know you knew that.

          • Ivan Ewan

            Oh right, friendly fire, sorry.

          • Solage 1386

            The only way the left can hope to achieve its aims is by indoctrinating children, non-stop propaganda, social engineering, and creating a climate of fear in which a single misplaced word can ruin a person’s career.

          • Vote UKIP

            Ala Hitler Jugend.

      • You only have to look at PMQ’s to see that giving kids the vote would be disastrous.

      • Mr_Twister

        Hmmm not sure that’s a good idea….they already have Marxist teachers subversively affecting a limited (by its covert nature) no. Of pupils/students…..
        …..imagine giving them 7 hrs a day and a mandate to push their progressive multiculti treason!

        • milford

          Yes see what I mean, it gets murkier, maybe that’s where this is leading. Children should not vote they don’t have enough knowledge to make an informed opinion.

      • Mr_Twister

        Up the voting age…20?

  • Sapporo

    UKIP mistrusts the media. I wonder why? Farage winning a seat is not pivotal. There are already several senior MEPs that are equally eloquent and intelligent. I expect the Tories and Labour will do anything to stop Farage in Thanet. Nearer the time they will ask their supporters to tactical vote, depending on who is looking likely to be second

  • Condelfan

    The Ukip groundswell is too strong, and gaining momentum every day with every news horror show.
    Maybe 20 Ukip MPs will be returned, a lot from Labour’s northern heartlands.
    The election will produce no overall victor, and Ukip will be in the mix.
    There won’t be a coalition, it will be a daily scramble to find support for whatever party is in power, it will all end in an ungovernable Parliament, it will step down and there will be another GE within 2 years, Ukip will stroll in to top spot, Nigel will be PM.

    • KenelmDigby

      I bloody well wish so.

      • Condelfan

        Just get out there with Ukip and knock on doors, you’ll not only hear it, you’ll feel the mass support.
        The polls haven’t caught up with it yet , but it’s there and it’s massive.

    • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

      Yes it is up to 14% in some places.

  • 1664averygoodyear

    Good article. I’ve said before 2020 is the election Nigel is going for and this is how he’s going to do it. I imagine we’re going to have a LAB-SNP govt. elected in May which will obviously be more of the same (immigration, multicultural propaganda, barely any genuine (non housing boom, non public setor) eco. growth). By 2020 people will be ready to vote UKIP in their droves.

    I think that this is actually a better outcome than Farage geting enough MPs to form a Tory UKIP coalition in May. Doing so would get us a referendum, but it would signal the end of UKIP. A lot of ex labour voters would leave as we ‘get into bed with the tories’, and the EU ex tory vote would go back to the tories.

    We need to play the long game. 2020 or 2025 is when we can have genuine change.

    • licjjs

      Also, by 2020, about another 10 million immigrants or so will have come here or the multiple offspring of those already here will have a vote, and by that time I don’t know what the game will be – I don’t know what the game is now!

    • Lydia Robinson

      “By 2020 people will be ready to vote UKIP in their droves.” I don’t see a Labour/SNP Coalition lasting that long, since the only objective of the fishy couple Sturgeon and Salmond is to destroy England.

  • Abie Vee

    My point is this: how is UKIP going to cope with a massive influx of traditional Labour supporters? Internally they will be a powerful group, and their traditional socialist leanings are not going to just vanish. So how will UKIP be able to privatise the NHS? how will they be able to cut benefits and workers rights? how will they be able to introduce a massive tax reduction for the uber rich (traditional enemies of the working class)? Indeed, what is going to happen when these ex-Labour supporters come face to face with UKIP’s diehard ex-Tory right-wingers?

    In short, will not this influx of traditional Labourites not overwhelm the UKIP Tories and change the Party out of recognition?

    I foresee GREAT fun ahead. No doubt of that.

    • Cyril Sneer

      How will the establishment parties control immigration from the EU whilst we’re in the EU. Oops they can’t… and so on and so on.

    • UKIP are NOT going to privatise the NHS..There will be none left by the time LibLabCon have completed their NHS privatisation by the back door.

      • Abie Vee

        How do you know? UKIP don’t even know what their manifesto is from day to day. It changes with the weather.

        • If you’re such an expert where is your evidence to support your assertion UKIP would privatise the NHS, and you show your ignorance by that statement.

          • Abie Vee

            All around you, in every speech Nigel makes. You’re not paying attention are you?

          • Oh you’ll be surprised at how much attention I pay…clearly you don’t, and prefer to use the selective hearing method. I can count at least 10 times that the privatisation things has been classified as a definite no go… So where is your evidence to disprove that, you have none as there is none, UKIP won’t privatise the NHS as there’ll be none left, why can’t you accept that by reading lying Labour leaflets you are seriously deluding yourself and lying on here…Evidence please.

          • milford

            Abie’s a troll.

          • Yeah, I know, that’s why there is and never will be any forthcoming evidence to substantiate the lies. But thanks anyway.

          • Abie Vee

            Nigel Farage has suggested that the NHS might have to be replaced by a system of private health insurance within 10 years.

            The Ukip leader was forced to back down and declare his party’s support for a state-funded health service last November after a film emerged of him backing a switch to an insurance system. After Labour claimed that Ukip would privatise the NHS, he admitted he had not carried his Ukip colleagues with him.

            Now Mr Farage has revived the idea, saying his party will have to “return” to it after the May general election. In a BBC Radio 4 interview to be broadcast today (20 Jan 2015), he said: “I triggered a debate within Ukip that was outright rejected by my colleagues, so I have to accept that. As time goes on, this is a debate that we’re all going to have to return to.”

            So, er, he accepts that, and then again he doesn’t.

  • licjjs

    UKIP had better watch out though; just as they are gaining new supporters, they may find that those who have been hoping that they have at least the beginning of a solution to our problems are beginning to feel the familiar quiverings of disillusionment. The only policies UKIP are going to receive votes for is that we come out of the EU and that some dramatic action will be taken on the problems that have been caused in the country by unlicensed and uncontrolled immigration, and the determination that it will never happen again. Other policies, though important on another day at another time, will simply not feature. That is why it was, in my view, very unwise of Farage to be seen to be back-tracking on even one of the earlier promises he has made, viz capping immigrant numbers. My antennae of suspicion are alerted as soon as I hear the words ‘net migration’. I don’t care about it, I don’t want to hear about it; what I want to hear is about the number of immigrants who are flooding in every DAY to the UK. If he is not really going to put a stop to that, ‘frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damn’.

  • Peter Stroud

    Nigel Farage has emerged as a statesmanlike politician: Messrs Carswell and Reckless have added experience of parliamentary politics to the party, but I do worry about the quality of some other potential UKIP MPs. They are not all singing from the same hymn sheet: but neither, I suppose are those in the upper levels of the party. UKIP is still a very new political party – but I wish it good luck.

    • Abie Vee

      To paraphrase Marx: The inner contradictions of the Party will lead to it’s own downfall.

      UKIP right- wingers from the far right of the Tory Party, and UKIP left-wingers for whom the Labour Party isn’t left enough.

      How can it possibly work?

      • Wessex Man

        erm by the very fact tha UKip is taking voters left right and centre and people like you are sqaulking like mad in terror that you cosy old club is crumbling.

      • wingless

        Easily. We are no longer the one issue party from 2010, we are no longer mainly ex Tories. We get along amazingly well and pull together for our most important common goals. We don’t do right and left, we do right and wrong.

        • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

          …..mainly UKIP do wrong. Your tribe are working hard on here with the votes . Cynical.
          Al Murray MP for Thanet sounds good

      • Richard Baranov

        You seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that UKIP is either a left wing or right wing party, it is neither. UKIP is a Libertarian party look up ‘Libertarian’ and you will find that your “false political consciousness”, does not apply. And, for gods sake, Marx doesn’t work in the real world, when are people like you going to figure that obvious fact out. Sorry I will amend that remark. Marx does not work in the real world save as a vehicle for murder on a massive scale so it is rather crass to invoke it as an authority for anything.

        • Mike

          The libertarian side of UKIP has not been to the forefront recently. I want it to be emphasized far more.The libertarian side attracted me to the party as much as its European and immigration policies. I want to see an end to speech crime and the distinction between what people say and do restored (only inciting violence should be illegal); stop the limitations on the right to peaceful protest; an overhaul of the now so pervasive and powerful police/ surveillance state. I want our courts to be concerned with guilt being established on the basis of solid evidence, not via bald accusations. I want a repeal of legislation limiting the right to jury trial (New Labour); the restoration of the centuries old double jeopardy protection for the citizen (stolen by New Labour). Agencies of the state which are over mighty and operate in secrecy, such as family courts and the social services, need to be reformed. I want Labour’s adult sex crime laws of 2003 and 2008 repealed or significantly amended. An end to much of the present state censorship, including repealing the Victorian Obscene publications act. An end to the war on drivers which has actually hampered the decline in road casualties we once had.

          I also want no more involvement in costly foreign wars which are none of our business.

      • milford

        You have got to be a troll. Nobody could be as smug as you for real, could they?

    • Zando

      Jack Straw and Sir Malcolm Rifkind!!!.

    • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

      More statesman lite than statesmanlike. The man who put the buff in buffoon.

  • twinscrew

    We will win in the end as the great British public will finally see how they have been conned out of their heritage by the current crop of clowns,
    This election will be the final one before the house of cards comes crashing down around their ears.
    vote UKIP.

    • Vote UKIP

      Each and every time.

    • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

      What an erudite and bonkers attempt to predict the future.

  • jamesbarn

    If Camerons Polocies were as good for Britain as the Media would have us believe then he would jump at the chance to debate with Ferage in order to humiliate him. He knows that his arguments reference the EU and renegotiations are rubbish and he will be exposed as a chancer. He has waffled and pontificated for weeks to try to avoid involvement in the political debates and I hope the broadcasters empty chair him and expose his cowerdice for all to see.

  • Upstanding Primate Account

    For a lot of people the choice ins’t really about party politics, but something far simpler and profound. Do you want Britain to be further absorbed into an expansionist political union with a supranational and largely unelected governing body, or do you want a return to nation state democracy. It couldn’t clearer.

  • Blakenburg

    The Electorate has a choice. Is it the Cartel of Tory/Labour/LibDem controlling Westminster, or a fresh new alternative that is UKIP ?

  • Tom

    You can see the Labour vote crumbling especially if they happen to win the election!.

  • Joe Long

    “This is how he intends to win his seat: by personally addressing thousands of voters, winning over the curious and recruiting new campaigners.”

    Sounds like politics.

    Matthew Goodwin reckons he’ll win

    The verminous Labour Party deserve to be annihilated in the North

    Their offer may be summarised briefly as

    “Forget we pimped your daughters and grand daughters for votes; we’ll get you that new hip, zimmer, social house, council sinecure, hearing aid

    Tick as appropriate

  • 4194

    An untested UKIP with no manifesto, and vacuous Policies for the People is a party to the right of the Tories, has gathered a far right element, and some xenophobic ex-Labour voters.
    To progress they’ll need to shift towards the centre ground concentrating on jobs and prosperity issues, or drop down from the recent 12-14% polling.

    For all the media hype the main impact is likely to be the SNP 40+ seats, attended by instability and loads of political trouble.
    Get the EU referendum out of the way, and UKIP are vulnerable, but the SNP looks here to stay till they get another Scottish referendum.

    • What EU referendum is that ?, the one based on a lie from Cameron ?, on 1st Nov 2014, 43 area’s of government competencies were handed over to the EU under the Lisbon treaty, this included our ability to grant ourselves a referendum without the other 27 EU states agreeing to it. On the 1st April 2017 these 43 competencies will be fully enacted by the EU, it further removes our ability to repeal the illegal 1972 European act. Now you wonder why sCameron says you’ll have a referendum by the end of 2017 !!!!, But also bear in mind that the UK is due to have the EU presidency for the last 6 months of 2017………….Cameron is having us all over, when will people realise there will be NO referendum now or at anytime, after the 1st April 2017 the only way to get out of the EU, I suspect, would be to declare UDI and the potential for serious bloodshed to ensue as the EU would have the right hump.

    • WTF

      I’d rather put my money on an untested UKIP that has sensible policies than Cameron or Milliband that have decades of failed policies. These two nutters seem to believe if you keep repeating the same mistakes one day they’ll get a better result.

  • Rose Hush

    I can’t believe anyone would consider voting Con or Lab, either vote is one for the EU mafia, both Cameron & Miliband have been rendered politically impotent, they
    do not have one backbone between them, they are nothing more than glorified EU
    puppets. They are not interested in what the people of this country feel and
    think or what their concerns are. They HAVE to take orders from their hierarchy
    in Brussels because this country is under an undemocratic, fraudulent, corrupt,
    and very expensive dictatorship, which is all about money and power!
    I think if you are a doctor, a nurse, a fire-fighter, a police officer, if you need a job, need a house, need a school, need a hospital appointment. If you are suffering cuts for funding for schools, hospices, care homes, cancer saving drugs, mental
    health, care assistants, after schools activities, the list is endless, if you
    do not fight to get our country back and vote against the EU, than you have no
    right to complain. We can’t afford to build hospitals, prisons, schools and we
    can’t afford to give our soldiers the defence and care that they need, many
    soldiers jobs are to be axed, 34,000 police jobs are to be cut just when we need ‘more’ because of potential increased terror threats. We are an
    affluent country, awash with money but politicians simply waste it, there is so
    much money that leaves our country i.e. EU contribution, Rules implemented by
    the EU, Foreign Aid & Immigration. The EU affects everything in this
    country and we can’t put it right unless we leave the already dying carcass and
    cut ourselves free. I for one will put my country and its people first and vote
    UKIP.

    • Russ Littler

      Fully agree with those sentiments. If the Icelandic people can Jail their corrupt bankers and politicians (this was kept from the British public) and improve their economy within 2 years by running the country themselves, then I’m certain UKIP could also do it. Nobody, but nobody could make a bigger cock-up of running a country than labour or conservative have over the last 40 years. They cannot apply a common sense approach to doing what is best for the British people because of their commitment to their own future careers within the the EU gravy train. Greed and averice is their only motivation and to hell with what we want. IT’S TIME FOR CHANGE.

      • milford

        Well said Russ and Rose I’m totally with you both. UKIP is the only party talking any sense.

  • Old Fox

    Two points: those who vote UKIP will get a hard left Milliband Sturgeon disaster and UKIP itself is clearly morphing into a national socialist party, happy to push the country over to a hard left shower the better to preside over a hard right catastrophe.

  • nekomuna celo

    UKIP needs to work out what it stands for

    • WTF

      Try visiting their website or follow them on FB and you might find out !

      • Blakenburg

        If people have a brain to seek facts they should go on UKIP’s web site. They will see the FACTS and not the rubbish being fed by Left Wing agitators in their efforts to discredit LOGIC.

        • WTF

          Agreed but those brain washed by the left don’t have the ability to think for themselves and just mimic the s*** that Cameron and other spout. There ought to be some sort of IQ test to test whether voters can think for themselves before being given a vote instead allowing any fascist retard from the left to vote.

          • red2black

            Are ‘fascist retards’ from the right some sort of exception?

          • WTF

            Fascism originated from socialism and its still there now !

          • red2black

            I’ll take that as a ‘no’, then.

          • Mike

            Mussolini was a leading socialist before funding the Fascist party – a corporatist-socialist one. Sir Oswald Mosley, who founded the New party then the British Union of Fascists, was a leading Labour politician.
            “In accordance with the idea of the NSDAP, we are the German Left… Nothing is more hateful to us than the rightist bourgeois.”
            – Joseph Goebbels, 1931

  • Zando

    Seems like a very sensible strategy to me!!!…………………………very realistic ambition.

  • Zando

    Rotherham, Rochdale, illegal wars, mass immigration, Jimmy Savile, Straw and Rifkind, MP’s expenses etc………………………all perfectly good reasons to vote for UKIP!!!.

  • Zando

    Today’s immigration figures reveal 500,000 arrived in England alone since 2011, mainly from the EU, personally I believe that figure is more like one million when you add illegals!!!…………….. vote UKIP unless you want more of this!!!

  • Fenman

    Many skilled working class voters are natural small c conservatives, but for emotional reasons will never vote Tory. Labour under Blair did little for them. They are threatened directly by mass immigration under-cutting their wages and flooding local schools and surgeries. What Farage has done is give them an alternative they can vote for. I suspect also ex Tories and ex Lab switching to UKIP are also emotional liberterians whom the idea of smaller govt appeals to.Millie woth is move to the tired old leftie big govt.policies that failed in the 70s does not appeal.
    Thatcher realised , unlike Cameron, that elections are won by understanding and appealing to the aspirational working and lower-middle classes, so does Farage. As long as he does not lose sight of this he will prosper.

    • Lydia Robinson

      “Many skilled working class voters are natural small c conservatives, but for emotional reasons will never vote Tory” These were the people, however, who found Thatcher very appealing. These are the voters who have been abandoned by all parties who may well vote for UKIP.

      • Fenman

        Totally agre. Unfortunately, Cameron and osbourne do not understand this aspirational section of the working class and lower middle class, nor how to communicate effectively with them Without gaining a majority of these people the Tories cannot win. That is why they did not get a majority in 2010. Of course , caving in over boundary reform does not help.

  • Zando

    INTERESTING NEWS: Abdelhakim Belhadj is to sue the UK government regarding kidnapping and rendition?, yet Mr Belhadj was the UK and USA’s man in Libya. Remember he was the ‘moderate’ pictured with John McCain regarding the overthrow of Gadaffi, we were going to give him a powerful position in the puppet government?……………………….well Mr Belhadj is now ISIS COMMANDER in Libya…………………………………Lib/Lab/Con………………….loons!!!!

    • Cyril Sneer

      Nice find, and it isn’t the first time McCain has been pictures with Jihadists.

  • 4194

    The Greens, UKIP, SNP can present fantastical policies and maybe persuade a few voters. In reality Britain’s ability to attract foreign investors and cope with the modern international trading system is what mainly counts. No surprise Lab and Cons stick to the political centre ground and concentrate on jobs and prosperity.

  • David Chambers

    50 bulgarians start 6M GREENDEALER WORK VIA WATES LIVING IN aSKERN mONDAY interesting times ahead .none of the x miners or job centres are aware ????

    • red2black

      Wates are working in partnership with St Leger Homes on the refurbishment of houses in the local area. St Leger Homes is part of Doncaster Council, so are the Council aware of this ‘arrangement’ as well? Since ‘enablement’ took over from ‘provision’ in the public sector, it’s been a case of ‘We don’t care who does the work, as long as it gets done.’

  • red2black

    ‘In UKIP’s Mayfair headquarters…”

  • evad666

    I would strongly suggest UKIP needs to have its key representatives ready to step into the Whitehall ministries and kick some serious butt.
    They need to plan as if they are going to form the next Government.

  • Cobbett

    Democracy is a dead end – won’t matter who you vote for.

    • saffrin

      Unless who you vote for is UKIP.

  • Antichthon Spy

    In my opinion:
    The large Corporate institutions than dominate the British political and media establishment, will do all they can to undermine the electorates confidence in UKIP. The accusations of racism and ugly personal attacks upon UKIP members, that we have seen so far, is but a shadow of what is to come over the remaining weeks leading up to the general election. Make no mistake, the more that UKIP is seen to be advancing in the polls, the more vitriol will be the attacks from people who are doing just fine as things are and do not wish to see change. Apart from migrants who, quite understandable, wish the immigration door to remain wide open, this will include most media celebs, TV presenters and tame ‘comedians,’ news quiz ticks and fleas and newspaper column writers.
    This election is very likely the last chance to make any meaningful political changes in England, if not for Britain, Blair’s work is almost done. UKIP supporters will have to steady their nerve, stiffen their resolve, and keep their eyes on the goal if there is to be a change for the better and, for those who cannot bring themselves to vote for UKIP, there are plenty of worthy alternatives who would better serve the long term interests of Britain than the LibLabCon, all of which has betrayed the country on many occasions and who’s promises cannot be trusted.

  • misomiso

    Either the Tories or Labour will disintergrate soon.

    I think Andy Burnham will be elected leader next which will shore up the Labour base so it will probably be the Tories

  • Alisteir McLaurin

    That’s what makes Ukip so different, unlike other parties, it thinks further than the next election.

  • John Smith

    Wait for a Labour collapse in the North
    You will wait for a long time on Teesside
    Everyone works for the state, in one way or another

  • addickted2hcharlton

    Iss a dissaster waitin to appen, an ard right party wot would take ourn ahrt of the EU n take away workers rights like oliday pay redundancy pay n sick pay. It bangs the demonisin immigrants drum to win iss by elections where there aint many immigrants so iss total scaremongerin n a betrayal of the workin classes.

  • pobinr

    Mums spending a fortune on school run due to mass immigration she couldn’t get her kids into her local school > http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britains-most-expensive-school-run-5313550#rlabs=1
    VOTE UKIP

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