How liberal Britain is betraying ex-Muslims

These incredibly brave people are risking their lives for the freedom not to believe. They deserve better from us

28 February 2015

9:00 AM

28 February 2015

9:00 AM

A few days ago Imtiaz, a solar engineer; Aliya, a campaigner for secular education; Sohail, a gay Somali in his twenties; and Sara, a bright student, went to Queen Mary University of London in the East End and made an astonishingly brave stand.

Astonishing because they volunteered to step forward to the front line after the Islamist murders of satirists and Jews in Paris and Copenhagen. Before an audience and in front of cameras, they explained why they had left Islam. They had become ‘apostates’, to use a dangerous word, which blackens what ought to be a personal decision that free adults in free countries ought to be free to make without anyone threatening them. In the mouths of theocrats, ‘apostasy’ turns individual rights to freedom of conscience into a sin and a betrayal.

The ex-Muslims knew all about the costs of challenging the taboos of their families. Sara was sparkling and funny, but her voice cracked when she described how her parents ‘chose religion over me’, and how the last words she remembered her sister saying were to wish that she were dead.

Any child who breaks away from a devoutly or fanatically religious background or a sectarian or political cult faces the same pain. Your parents hate you for rejecting their dogmas. Shame at your treacherous rejection of your tribe and its taboos supplants love, and you become an outcast.

But there is something else with Islam. Most ex-Muslims are in the closet because they live with the fear of violence. If you want to go to one of their meetings, they will vet you first to see if you are a spy who will denounce them to their violent enemies. This in London, the supposedly cosmopolitan capital of a democratic country, with a Human Rights Act that supposedly guarantees religious freedom.

Except that in practice Britain does no such thing. The religious have the freedom to proselytise and seek converts, and to insist that their remarkably tender feelings be treated with ‘respect’. But the converse does not apply. If ex-Muslims denounce religious bigotry, they put themselves in danger.

The young people at Queen Mary’s sent tingles down my spine because they had decided to fight back. ‘I’d had enough of talking to people in secret,’ Imtiaz told me. ‘I want to help others who are going through what I went through when I came out by telling my story openly.’

As always with religion, you can find divine authority for both the tolerant and the tyrannical. Liberal Muslims ought to be able to point to the Qur’an (Chapter 2 verse 256 ) which states: ‘There is no compulsion in religion.’ Unfortunately for them the hadiths — purported sayings of Mohammed collected by Sahih Bukhari in the 9th century — state equally clearly: ‘Whoever changes his religion, kill him.’

Across the Muslim world today the tyrannical are triumphing over the tolerant. It is not just the Islamic State, Iran and other enemies of the West who punish apostasy with death, but the West’s ‘allies’ in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. Unsurprisingly in an interconnected world, the foul belief that you can punish men and women for following their consciences flourishes in Britain too.

Last year Britain’s Council of ex-Muslims produced a report on the publicly quoted opinions of the leading figures in the Islamic Education and Research Academy (IEra). Do not let its numbingly bureaucratic name fool you. One minute a supporter called Ifthekar Jaman was distributing Islamist propaganda in Portsmouth while dressed in an IEra-supplied T-shirt. The next he was fighting and eventually dying for Isis in Iraq. Its leaders peddle all the usual prejudices about gays, women and Jews. And alongside those enemies stand apostates. Hamza Tzortzis, a founder and leading speaker of IEra, was asked whether Islam condones a death penalty for blasphemy and apostasy.

‘Yes it does, yes,’ he replied, before going on to opine that beheading would be a painless means of killing ex-Muslims.

Other speakers have said that Muslims have no choice but to accept sharia law and its lethal punishments, whether they believed or not. There are many other groups and individuals who think the same, though few admit their dark thoughts with the same brazenness. Apostasy to this mentality covers not only ex-Muslims but liberal Muslims too. A mob whipped up in part on Twitter by the slippery figure of Mo Ansar accused Maajid Nawaz of the Quilliam Foundation of being a blasphemer and traitor because he said he found a harmless image of Mohammed harmless. The fight to defend ex-Muslims therefore is a fight to defend all Muslims who reject extremism.

But can you see British society joining it? Simon Cottee, the author of an excellent new study The Apostates (published by Hurst & Co next month) shows how elements in the left and academia are happy to denounce Muslims who exercise their freedom to abandon their religion as ‘native informers’ who have gone over to the side of western imperialism. As for the liberal mainstream, you only have to listen to all the cowardly voices who say the cartoonists of Charlie Hebdo had ‘provoked’ their own murder, or that the Jews of Paris and Copenhagen had it coming because of Israel, to know how they would duck out of a confrontation.

If you search YouTube for ‘ex-Muslim voices’, you will see that the speakers at Queen Mary’s were pleasant, articulate and ironic people. Not so different from you and me. But listen to what they have to say and you will understand that they are better and braver than almost everyone you meet. They are prepared to fight for the liberal values we have forgotten how to cherish, let alone defend.

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  • donaldjenks

    If one studies history you will find that the winners were the ones who were prepared to be the most brutal. In the end the gun is ultimately mightier than the pen.

    • Dogsnob

      How very right you are. How does that other one go? “Violence never gets you anywhere”? Yes it does, it gets you a middle east cleansed of Christians. It gets you Constantinople. It gets you a supine western media etc etc

      • Solage 1386

        Violence is a universal language, understood by all……

        • Dogsnob

          …and once practised by all as a means of survival. Now, in the modern world, seen as wrong in most quarters. Sadly, not all.

      • Damaris Tighe

        That silly smug saying has always annoyed me. My repost is ‘violence gets you everywhere’ (not meant to be an endorsement of violence but a recognition of reality).

        • Louis E.

          I think you meant “riposte”…but I much prefer the philosophy “Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent”.

          • Damaris Tighe

            Thank you – I kept looking at it & thinking ‘that’s not right’!

          • Cumberland

            and it happens to be islams only success, so no need to ask why the boys join up to it.

      • ReefKnot

        It gets you into Government in Northern Ireland.

        • Dogsnob

          Yes, hard to figure.

          • bionde

            You have to put it in context. It was initiated by the lily livered Major and finalised by the duplicitous self serving Blair. No wonder it was wrong.

    • Keith

      Well said. We, the generations born since the end of WWII, are the first generations that have not had to fight for the freedoms we have got. I always find it surprising that so many people seem, already to have forgotten that freedom, of speech, sexual orientation, religion to name but a few, are not the default position but are hard to come by and need to be defended. Sometimes these freedoms need to be defended violently no matter how distasteful we find it. If we don’t we will lose those freedoms to countries or organisations that are willing to kill for what they believe in. At the moment we appear to be losing our freedoms to the religion of peaceful murderers, slavers, rapists and pedophiles to name but a few things about IS.

      • monk

        If this generation was in charge back in 1938, we would all be speaking German right now. Without a shot being fired.

      • Solage 1386

        How fortunate we are to live at the apogee of Western Civilisation, to be aware of both its glorious past, and of its inevitable future decline……We stand on the Summit, able to look both behind us and before us……We are privileged indeed. (But when did the decline begin? 1914? Spengler’s “Decline of the West” was written in the late 1920’s. The future historians of Western Eurabia will have much to say on this particular subject, I am sure, though they themselves will no doubt see this period of transition as a New Dawn, unlike ourselves. The historians of Eastern Eurabia may think otherwise……..who knows?) I write this gin-induced bollocks after discovering a few hours ago that I am now persona non grata at The Guardian! Yes, my account has been disabled by the sour-faced looney-left fokkers! Ten months, 504 comments! Their loss, not mine! Cheers.

        • JoJo
        • bionde

          I would say we are no longer on the summit but a fair way down the slippery slope .

        • Terry Field

          I have been proscribed from the putrid Guardian for some time. They cannot tolerate other than the propagation of their dreamscape.
          No matter. The game is over for Europe, and by extension, Britoland. decline is now rapid, in every sphere, economic, social, moral, cultural, political. The continent and its dependent island will slide into nasty and increasingly predated irrelevance. And Islamic domination. Seen the Middle East and European demographics recently???

      • global city

        and those who have betrayed this most are our own new elite.

        Mental jihadis are almost irrelevant when it comes to curtailing our own liberties… for the real threat we just have to look at Westminster and ‘Europe House’.

      • Chamber Pot

        It’s called decadence and it’s the reward you get for being spoiled rotten.

    • G Ha

      That was hitler’s thinking when he invade Poland and half of Europe, the Japanese Army was most brutal in WW2…In the end the bravest and mightiest fell with their weaken foes…all lost and no one won a better world.

    • andagain

      By that argument, Hitler must have been less brutal than Roosevelt and Churchill, and slaveowners less brutal than Abraham Lincoln.

      I don’t think there is a very useful sense of the word “brutal” in which this is true.

  • Rik

    Muslims favourite victims are other muslims the extremists who hold to the most violent interpretation of the koran hate those who choose a more peaceful view far more than they hate the kuffar.Why? Because Muslims who seek peace challenge their world view far more than we do.

    • Grace Ironwood

      I find it hard to rank the numerous targets of muslim rage.
      Made even harder by how many things threaten their worldview.

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  • David Prentice

    Any child who breaks away from a devoutly or fanatically religious background or a sectarian or political cult faces the same pain.

    Fanatical religious/sectarian/political cult. The “religion of peace” ticks every box.

  • MRAs are retarded

    “As for the liberal mainstream, you only have to listen to all the cowardly voices who say the cartoonists of Charlie Hebdo had ‘provoked’ their own murder”

    The same way that women provoke their own assaults by drinking, socialising, having a sexuality or being female in public. The good ol’ Spectator and its libertarian warriors are only too happy to endorse this; we’ve had Liddle telling us to lock ourselves up like a house; Parris telling us to stay sober at all times; that Oxford intern telling us never to be naked; Toby telling us wifely submission in Africa has much to recommend it; meanwhile Taki is partial to a willing prostitute, DSK styley. I guess liberties are a man thing.

    • cartimandua

      Excellent comment.

      • Damaris Tighe

        MRA is right to point out the disconnect between the Charlie Hebdo victims & rape victims but I wouldn’t say her comment is excellent because of her (as usual) anti-man thing.

        • cartimandua

          The Left and the media are endlessly prepared to sell women down the river and yet all that is where the problem begins.
          It is NOT OK to have women in hijabs let alone worse making themselves and their future children ill and brain damaged.
          (and there is science behind that comment).

        • global city

          Muslim men obviously come higher up the list of idiot explaining away the left have on them all the time than white men!

        • Gwangi

          Oh yes and feminist campaigners unfailingly support Labour which is a party that has constantly made excuses for Islamic extremism, blamed our foreign policy and culture and ‘Islamophobia’ for it, and thus shows itself to be an appeaser of Islamofascists. Just look at Labour councils turning a blind eye to true Muslim behaviour in Rotherham. A few brave women stand up to the diversity-worshipping so-called liberals whose misguided multiculturalism have made them such defenders of an abusive and viscous death cult called Islam.
          Not one person was ever arrested for publicly calling for the death of Salman Rushdie in 1989 – for writing a book. One, Iqbal Sacranie, got a knighthood and his extremist Islamic organisation The Muslim Council was wrongly classed as ‘moderate’ by Muslim-hugger Blair and invited into advise government at the highest level.

      • GraveDave

        Lol Carty. How are you old thing?

    • MacGuffin

      Idiotic comment.

      • GraveDave

        Bloody wimmin. Cant live with ’em, cant live without ’em.

    • Malcolm Stevas

      So because of an alleged failure to be 100% right-on about every issue equally, Cohen’s theme should be disregarded? Try to be a tad more liberal minded, less extreme/obsessive.

      • global city

        It really is a strange ailment she/he/it has, is it not….this desperate need to deflect and keep the issues/blame/bigger crime pinned on it’s own ‘culture’?

        Having said that, it is an affliction that Nick himself usually falls back to as well, after he makes a rare excursion into the realms of reality from the bubble of leftyliberalbubbelry.

        • MRAs are retaded

          It’s not a deflection. It is an observation that the Spectator and its commenters only support standing up for white male Liberty. And against non-white male oppressors. If you want to get exercised about a group of people who have their freedom of speech and assembly curtailed, who live with the perpetual threat of violence, and who don’t even have the paltry support of the Spectator columnist in facing that down with calls to censor the incitement, you can look right inside your own homes.

          • global city

            If it was, I could have supported your statement, as it was, you only really attempted to inflict some 3rd wave feminist claptrap, so utterly devoid of real meaning that it just exposed itself in all it’s silliness.

        • MRAs are retaded

          It? You’re unpleasant aren’t you.

          • global city

            No, not at all. You don’t know me and you do not know who I socialise with and who are members of my family.

            You merely try to smear…… THAT is deeply unpleasant and just so sycophantic, exposing your SJW attempts on here as the empty gestures that they really are.

            I love everyone…..you clearly don’t! 🙂

    • Gwangi

      Well, you’re nutty enough to fly off to Syria, so why don’t you? Prefer the patriarchal country and culture that pays for you, that allows you to spout drivel, that gives you equality in law and all things? Tss.
      I am glad you support freedom of speech though. No doubt you supported the US man who wanted to visit Britain and exercise his freedom of speech by teaching men how to seduce women. Oh but wait! Femnuts stopped that, right?
      And by the way, women can and do create contexts where they are more likely to be attacked by getting blind drunk (which you never see in places like France and Italy by the way, where women know how to behave).

      • MRAs are retaded

        “Britain, better than Syria for women.” Now there’s a banner we can all get behind.

    • rtj1211

      NOthing wrong with freedom of dress, movement or association, much less freedom to get rat-arsed in public.

      It must, however, be acknowledged, that there are finite risks associated with those things and, if you consider those risks too high to be worth taking, then you take the advice of the Speccie writers.

    • bigsammyb

      Hypocrist is not an attractive trait, and i’m referring to your name not your comment as such,

    • Omar

      Concerning the occasional conservative voice that advises against rampant drunkenness as a risky choice for a woman (or anyone else) . . . Should you suffer an assault under such a circumstance, that conservative will certainly believe the person who committed the assault was a criminal who should be punished – while a significant number of muslims appear to believe that the men who defend the honor of Mohammad through murder are acting properly and ought to be lauded. See the difference?

  • MRAs are retarded

    “They are prepared to fight for the liberal values we have forgotten how to cherish, let alone defend.”

    We’ve never cherished or defended liberal values in our history. The British (male) has always been a passive, appeasing kind of character hanging on others’ coat tails. You don’t believe all the WW2 hype about fighting fascism do you? It was a fight for empire, land and commerce. It’s how we do so well, principles get in the way.

    Sure we’ve had a few standout figures who’ve put themselves on the line, but the majority haven’t done so. We never had an Enlightenment or a revolution for liberty, equality and brotherhood, that was the French; nor a religious revolution, that was the Germans; nor an economic revolution, that was the Russians; nor a social revolution, that was the Scandinavians. The only revolution we’ve instigated is the feminist one, and that relied on the much more ballsy British female and they still have their hands full.

    If Apostate Muslims are waiting for British men to defend them, they’ll be waiting a long time, smothering everyone with apathy is more their style. And they’d better find them a financial motive to rouse them to apathy.

    • Malcolm Stevas

      Aren’t you a little bonkers about the wickedness of men? Teensy bit obsessive?

      • MRAs are retaded

        I am a corrective. If it looks like I obsess, it is because there is a huge amount to counter.

    • Gwangi

      Gosh, you really are pig ignorant, aren’t you? Many hundreds of thousands of British men suffered to allow you the right to be an ignorant twerp, though. Remember that.
      We had an Enlightenment alright and British values and laws, incl ending slavery, were exported around the world with Empire (much of which was good – and better than any French, German, Russian, Japanese, Chinese empire for sure as it was based on values, not just acquiring wealth).
      Britain had both religious revolutions over centuries and economic and social revolutions. It had political revolutions too. You really hate men and Britain, don’t you? May I recommend a plane ticket to Syria where you can join your liberated sisters from Al-Bethnal Greenistan?
      You really need an education. Maybe ask a man, love? 95% of those with the top 10% of IQ are male, y’know.

      • MRAs are retaded

        England has never had an Enlightenment. Scotland did. The english male survives on mythology of himself, he’s fundamentally a self-serving creature with an eye on the easy life and the best profit margin.

        His apathy and appeasement of Islamic fundamentalists, his friendship with Qatar and Saudi Arabia, his passive aggressive political correctness while doing nothing of any value towards racial or gender equality is entirely consistent with his character throughout history.

      • MRAs are retaded

        Women have higher IQs than men on average, sweety bum. Some men are stupider than others aren’t you.

    • global city

      but then, you will have to ask yourself why we ended up with a more open society than any of those other countries you list.

      as for you analysis of WWII…what land were we after? what empire did we build on the back of success? What commerce was gained by the venture?

      • MRAs are retaded

        We were defending the British empire from an attempt on it by the Germans. Why do you think all the battle fronts mirrored imperial territories well outside Europe?

        • global city


          The issues are not mutually exclusive.

    • mohdanga

      “Sure we’ve had a few standout figures who’ve put themselves on the line, but the majority haven’t done so.” 800,000 dead British soldiers in WWI and another 400,000 British dead in WWII….just a few, I’d say.

      • MRAs are retaded

        They were conscripted. And not with the promise of Liberty, equality and fraternity, but the promise of queen, God and bashing the kaiser. The real reason, kept from the gullible volunteers was protection of imperial assets.

        • mohdanga

          A million men volunteered before conscription. 2.5 million were conscripted. So 3 million men were all tricked into fighting for the dreaded British empire imperial assets and not the fact that Britain was threatened by Germany. Carry on.

  • will91

    If ever we needed a demonstration of how worrying our current situation is just muse on the fact that yesterday, 500 people in Copenhagen attended the funeral of the dead terrorist who slaughtered a security guard at a Mosque and a film director. Food for thought.


    • Mc

      Denmark should have dumped that terrorist’s body out at sea, as with bin Laden.

      • Des Demona

        Osama Binned Laden?

        • Solage 1386

          The laden bins should be taken out and dumped on the trash-heap, where they belong.

      • will91

        Haha he expected virgins, he got crabs… 😉

        • Solage 1386

          Better Virgo than Cancer. I speak as a Leo.

      • AndrewMelville

        Scientists are working on a new bacon casket to deal with cases of such vermin.

        • Solage 1386

          How rash.

    • sebastian2

      So much for mohammedan remorse. I hope Denmark is beginning to wake up to what all this really stands for. If not now, then it’ll be in the midst of a nightmare – except it won’t be a dream.

    • Chamber Pot

      Rip Van Winkle woke up eventually.

  • jack

    The problem has always been the ideology of Islam and not the brainwashed, subjugated, or threatened individual, or even a collective of Muslims.

    I very much believe the West need to nurture and protect the freedom to become an apostate. Modern writers need to set an example by providing truths from the Koran that are openly debated such as their belief of the Earth being flat, the implied age of consent of 8 years etc +1000 other examples.

    Forensic examination of the whole concept, ideology, politics and the law of Islam should be the new Cultural Revolution for those unfortunately enslaved, and we are the ones who should offer absolute protection rather than being ignorantly tolerant and overly nice (Obamaesque, Cameronesque, Hollandeque and Merkelesque).

  • JonBW

    We need to recognise that British Muslim culture is changing: the problem is not the older generation repressing their children. It is a proportion of the young rejecting the moderate Islam of their parents which co-existed with Western values reasonably well to embrace newer extreme forms and Jihadism.

    When young people go off to join IS, their parents often condemn them as strongly as those who reject islam itself.

    To see the problem as ‘religion’ when it is really a particular, highly politicised form that has emerged from a religion misses the point.

    • Damaris Tighe

      I think you make a good point that there is often a gulf between older & younger generations. But I disagree that seeing the problem as ‘religion’ misses the point. Islam is highly politicised in its essence but the older generation have ignored & repressed it, replacing it with Islamic spirituality. That doesn’t mean that the political strain isn’t always present at the heart of Islam as a ticking time bomb.

    • global city

      The work of the Saudis.

    • Hybird

      Their parents only appeared moderate because they were fewer in number and were afraid of the repercussions. The younger generation feel confident enough and numerous enough now – and do not to fear any repercussions. More Muslims means more Islam means less Freedom.

  • sebastian2

    An interesting and compassionate piece. It’s getting ever more difficult to defend the RoP fallacy as the liberal mainstream is desperate to do. It really does bewilder me why they cling to its nonsense. Apostates are the litmus test for mohammedan “tolerance”. They routinely fail it.

    As for the MCB (which I dare say is the governments main source of “advice”), they are not to be trusted to offer sensible and rational opinion. Their loyalties are with mohammedism, boasting of their slavish, unconditional infatuation with the alleged prophet. These the last people to take suggestions from.

    Apostates, on the other hand, have a particularly sharp, realistic focus. Talk to them Teresa May!

    • Malcolm Stevas

      Quite, well said. That poll the other day (conducted for the BBC too) offered a useul reminder about the RoP, as reported by the DT:
      ‘Some 27 per cent of British Muslims said they have “some sympathy for the motives behind the attacks” on the Paris magazine, according to polling by ComRes for the BBC.
      A further 32 per cent said they were not surprised by the attacks. Some 11 per cent said that magazines which publish images of the Prophet Mohammed “deserve to be attacked.”
      And only 68 per cent of British Muslims said that attacks on the publishers of images of the Prophet are “never” justified, while 24 disagreed….’

      • Damaris Tighe

        Another way of looking at the 27% figure is over one in four, approaching one in three.

        • Hybird

          And that’s only the ones who dared to admit it to the pollsters.

        • sebastian2

          Not a point the BBC chose to highlight much. If it was 27% with suspected or confirmed Ebola (no less dangerous and contagious), I think we’d get a somewhat different “balance”.

      • Ahobz

        Indeed if you add together the 27% “some sympathy” with the 32% “not surprised”, 59% of Mo’s followers acknowlege that their religion is not one of peace, because even those who do not endorse the violence expect it to happen via the agency of their co-religionists.

        • Shahzad Alikhan

          Remember also this 27% is from a survey of muslim people who had previously consented to be on the RDD telephone survey database to be contacted for research – i.e a selected population of people possibly more engaged with and contributory to society, not even the extreme hardliners!

        • rodger the dodger

          Yes, it’s a tacit admission that they know the penalty for blasphemy is death. So they’re not surprised.

    • global city

      They cling to it so tenaciously for two central reasons.

      1. Blind ideological adherence to an old dogma

      2. understanding that if they backtrack, the fact that they have wilfully imposed the current madness onto society will have to be explained, leaving them exposed as the traitors they all are.

      • Malcolm Stevas

        I think your second factor is key: the bien pensant soggy Left in particular, but really the entire political class, loathes the idea of having to say sorry. Of course, many of them are not only happy about our demographic sabotage, they longed for it and facilitated it, since their worldview is internationalist and there is no better way of sapping a nation’s spirit than to flood it with people whose values are utterly different or indeed inimical.
        Multiculturalism, multi-ethnicity, open doors policies and voter bribery of client groups such as Labour’s very own mass immigrants are powerful because politicians care more for their own ephemeral careers, and for the vacuities of internationalist Leftism, than they do for their own people. These people must be culled.

        • Solage 1386

          The left can never make mistakes, and so cannot learn from these mistakes unmade……..They are incapable of error. The concept of “error” is not available to the leftist imagination, at least as regards themselves……All who disagree with them will be regarded as mad, bad, or dangerous to know. For the left, reality and ideology are One, the former fitting seamlessly into the latter like a hand into an over-tight glove. Reality is whatever they say it is.

          • global city

            in exactly the same way as the devoted adherents of the ROP

      • sebastian2

        They are in an ideological cul-de-sac designed and constructed in 620 and shortly after. It’s a medieval, claustrophobic dead end. They want everyone else in it too, driven by force or lured by deception if necessary. When things go wrong in this closed corridor, they blame everyone else. You see this denial of responsibility both at a national level and individually. They are absolutely deplorable. Why, why, why does anyone take any of it seriously?

        • Solage 1386

          A cul-de-sac rather than a corridor…….

    • mark

      Speakers from the MCB, show themslves to be the most sick depraved and evil of liars, secure in the knowledge that our dhimmi/cowardly/ignorant/treasonous leaders say nothing but repeat their al taqiyya (islamic warfare lying to disguis everything about ilam, including its mainstream teachings).

    • Solage 1386

      The left hates Israel and the USA. Islam hates Israel and the USA……..A marriage made in Hell!

      • Pluto Animus

        If the left hates Israel, then why do most Jews vote for the Democrats?
        Do you think it’s because they hate themselves, or because they’re stupid?

        • Ian Walker

          That’s because the Democrats are only considered left-wing by US standards. Over there you basically get a choice between blue-collar conservatism (Democrats) or religious nationalism (Republican).

    • MrGrowser

      It is not merely acknowledging the disasters that have been visited upon us, but the consequences both for them [and us] when they do. I suspect the best they are hoping for is ‘Après moi, le déluge’

      • sebastian2

        Frankly, I’ve lost what little faith I had in the Home Office. I think “hope” is about all they’ve got since they seem to have no strategy at all that works for tacking the intolerant and violent core elements of mohammedism, which they deny exist anyway (Teresa May – religion of peace.)

        They rely instead on the security services to keep the religion of peace’s vile deeds routinely at bay, and they do little to extinguish the vile notions that inspire and justify these deeds. The Home Office is dealing with only half the problem.

        The security services are, it’s suggested, foiling dozens of mohammedan terror plots and uncovering links, sympathies and networks that, I dare say, extend deep into the mohammedan community: mosques; madrassas; now schools ………. and so forth. The government should be as publicly and openly indignant about this presence – its ideology and the potential it has – as we’d be if these plots had succeeded and killed or maimed hundreds as intended. But they are not.

        Instead, they are tolerating the ideologically intolerant. Hamstrung by EU Human Rights, fearful of the ever threatened mohammedan backlash, and willfully in denial, they are thrice paralysed.

        I think Teresa May must come from a long line of timid ostriches.

      • sebastian2

        I tried to get back to you but my post was blocked. I’ll try again.

        • Terry Field

          The censorship is now quite blatant, is it not.

          • sebastian2

            They do seem to be a little over-cautious sometimes; yes. Though I guess most is blocked by software.

            Anybody out there able to offer a technical explanation?

      • sebastian2

        The security services are, it’s suggested, foiling dozens of
        mohammedan terror plots and uncovering links, sympathies and networks that, I dare say, extend deep into the mohammedan community: mosques; madrassas; now schools ………. and so forth. The government should be as publicly and openly indignant about this presence – its ideology and the potential it has – as we’d be if these plots had succeeded and killed or maimed hundreds as intended. But they are not.

        Instead, they are tolerating the ideologically intolerant. Hamstrung by EU Human Rights, fearful of the ever threatened mohammedan backlash, and willfully in denial, they are thrice paralysed.

    • MrGrowser

      They have to maintain the fallacy because once they do there will be consequences – which may not be nice and do not feature people holding cards to express ‘solidarity’ but things that may be seen as a little more ‘persuasive’ Therefore all they can do is hang on and hope that ‘Après moi, le deluge’

  • Nick

    Good luck to islam apostates and they just go to show what a warped religion it is supposed to be.

  • Liberty

    Although apostasy is low here in France it is high and – along with conversion to Christianity – growing fast. In the Arab world and Africa is is huge. People there are repelled by the consequences of Islam; brutality, ignorance and poverty whereas for Christianity it is tolerance, generosity, peace and prosperity.

    • Damaris Tighe

      This is good news & I think the only solution for the problem.

    • global city

      and the ones who move on a step to open markets and common law actually thrive. to exploitation by extreme forces like Marxism and Islamism. People like Nick though are as determined to deny most Africans this freedom, as for most of his life he supports some woolly ‘3rd way’ fantasy….which leaves them open.

    • sebastian2

      Yes, I’ve heard of this too. Not something that seeks out much publicity though. But when people see the options ……………………. they vote with their consciences. Pure speculation of course, but could this partly explain mohammedism’s current ferocity? This return to it’s authentic, oppressive roots? They are breeding fear among those who might leave? (It’s just a passing thought but ………)

    • Shiprex

      So the answer is more older superstition?
      No thanks
      Why not just educated and liberate instead of indoctrinate. Let them be free for goodness sake

      • Liberty

        A lot better though.

  • zanzamander

    Really brave people.

    The problem is that our politicians, media and academia are totally sold on the idea that Islam is peaceful, tolerant and progressive. They have convinced themselves that anyone who questions this must be a racist and a bigot. They have snookered themselves, they can’t now go around praising or helping individuals who choose to leave this so called religion.

    The fact of the matter is that too much is now dependent (including votes for our politicians) on Islam and the will of its followers. We have to make way for them and not do anything to upset the boat.

    I have no doubt that there must be millions of Muslims around the world who, given a choice, would leave this ideology in a heartbeat but are afraid to do so. Tragedy is that there is nothing we can do for the. We can’t even help non-Muslims who are butchered on daily basis throughout the Islamic world.

    • jack

      Quite so: Ali Sina

    • Personally, I think you can cut the assumed number of Muslims in half, as whenever there’s an opportunity very significant numbers express the anguish they feel at being trapped within Islam – certainly true of Saudi Arabia, Iran (especially), the Maldives and many other places. Each one I’ve read say they might be killed if they openly state they no longer believe. There are, therefore, probably 750 million Muslims, at the very maximum. (And remember, many illiterate Muslims have no real idea what the Koran says, just what they’re told …. )

  • Liberty

    The Left see Muslim apostates as a deviation from the grand strategy of supporting Islam in the UK, the only viable anti-establishment/capitalist force. The Left are not so much pro-justice, liberty, etc. as anti-capitalist. The Left will do anything to bring down capitalism even support Islamism. They fancy that they can profit from the chaos that a victory of Islamism would bring. Certainly, most of the Lefty foot soldiers understand no such grand strategy and willingly work to bring down the Tories, markets, etc and for the EU in a misguided effort at ‘social justice’.

    The Left have successfully subverted charities, education, justice, BBC, the EU, etc and are beavering away still. Most doing the work think they are working for justice and equality. Little do they know that – just as with the emergence of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, etc – a victory for socialism would bring on a new dark age of poverty, ignorance, brutality, injustice and despotism.

    • global city

      The Left will have no army, once the west is defeated. Who would be motivated to fight the jihadi on behalf of the SWP and Common Purpose?

      • Liberty


      • Monkish

        Mass conversion to Islam by the left. Problem solved.

        • Nessa

          Quite obviously they will be the first to convert – they are perfect collaborators. ‘Soumission’ by Michel Houllebecq satirises/predicts this.

          • Lydia Robinson

            Can’t wait to read that! He’s in hiding isn’t he? Yet another intolerable feature of our Western societies that a minority, fascist cult can be allowed to persecute writers and artists and even kill them.

    • Johnnydub

      IN the immediate aftermath of every left wing revolution, it’s always the lefty foot-soldiers that are first against the wall…

    • And the rich people, the lefties so loathe, are the ones who can move to a different country.

      I know I will be on the first plane out, and I have money for my relatives and quite a few good friends too.

      So long suckers!

    • Lydia Robinson

      “The Left will do anything to bring down capitalism even support Islamism.”

      Indeed. In their confused minds, they equate the anti-imperialist, anti-capitalist rhetoric of Islamists with something progressive when it is, in fact, a fascist ideology.

  • zanzamander

    Btw, that verse, about no compulsion in religion only applied when the followers of Mohammad were few in numbers and were living amongst the majority who were Jews, Christians or something else. He was trying to convince them they he came in peace and that they had nothing to fear.

    However, once he gained popularity and as his numbers grew, his tune changed. Soon afterwards people started to die.

    You will find that most of these “peaceful” verses were abrogated once Mohammad saw that terror was quicker at convincing people of his “peaceful” message.

    • The ‘no compulsion in religion’ is perfectly sinister when it’s properly understood, but I can’t be bothered going into the theology of it.

  • Damaris Tighe

    Nick, I’m glad you’ve written about this as it’s a big problem. Leaving Islam isn’t easy. It involves, at the very least, family & social ostracism. You’ve also pointed out the very real threat of violence. These people are failed not only by the left but by some on the right – those who continue to insist (because it’s so easy to lump the enemy together as a ‘them’ opposed to ‘us’) that Muslims are one homogenous group.

    I wonder how many thousands – or millions – there are who would love to leave this death cult if only they could. They need our support.

    • Aporia

      The Left are equally notorious for considering the ‘Muslim community’ as one homogenous block, all of whose members are simultaneously, on the one hand, perpetual ‘victims’ of ‘institutional oppression’ and, on the other, the identity-group equivalent of some phosphorous and a lighter which might explode in fervent rage lest we all stop drawing stick-men and subsequently naming them Mo.

      I prefer Sam Harris’s four-category break-down:

      Jihadi: supports violence in the name of Islam (including implementing the Shariah, which is necessarily violent) and plans to carry it out (3000, according to MI5 figures).

      Islamist: does not plan to carry out violence but supports and sympathises with violence in the name of Islam, or the motives for it (at least 1/4, according to the recent BBC poll).

      Conservative: does not support violence, but holds religiously-motivated views about women, homosexuals and Jews which are anathema to modern, liberal democracy (majority, especially amongst the young).

      Liberal: rejects violence, rejects religious bigotry; can envisage a secular role for Islam (personified by Maajid Nawas; a voiceless minority within the Muslim minority who need our support).

    • One has to distinguish between Islam and Muslims. Islam is evil but Muslims may be good. They are the unfortunate ‘slaves of Allah’ – slaves should be set free.

      • Damaris Tighe

        Yes, exactly, but you can sometimes get bashed saying that here. I still have the bruises.

        • sebastian2

          But you’re correct. We have to support them. But how? Perhaps the best we can do is to continue challenging and questioning and to refuse deference to this backward death-cult. If we ask questions, someone, somewhere else will hear and wonder too.

          • Damaris Tighe

            Maybe the gov should use the money it’s spending on ‘deradicalisation’ on protecting Muslim leavers: safe houses, support groups, security. And end the in-your-face Islam at the universities so that they can feel that they’re part of a liberal western society not a madrassa. Peer pressure at places like Westminster Univ must be overcome – Westminster sanctions segregated seating & women only religious meetings. Secular ex-Muslim students must wonder which country they’re in.

          • sebastian2

            The Government should certainly do something but, being paralysed by the fear of a mohammedan backlash, they won’t. Pretty deplorable. We’re talking, here, about basic freedoms and liberties – of speech, of conscience – that HMG won’t uphold openly and courageously. It seems that the whole official narrative is being dictated by mohammedans themselves – and this is the RoP one we’re getting from Teresa May and others. Wrong; deceptive; incomplete and partial; and dangerous.

    • Aporia

      The Left are also notorious for considering the ‘Muslim community’ as one homogenous block, whose members are simultaneously, on the one hand, the perpetual victims of ‘institutional oppression’ and, on the other, the identity-group equivalent of some white phosphorous and a match which will explode in unison lest we all stop drawing stick-men and subsequently naming them Mo.

      Sam Harris’s four-category breakdown is more informative:

      Jihadi: supports violence in the name of Islam; works towards carrying it out (3000, according to MI5).

      Islamist: doesn’t not carry out violence in the name of religion but supports or sympathises with those who do (32%, if the recent polls are accurate).

      Conservative: shuns violence in the name of Islam, but holds views about religion, women, gays and Jews which are anathema to any modern, liberal democracy (the polls are not promising, especially amongst the young).

      Liberal: rejects violence; rejects religiously-motivated bigotry; possesses the critical faculties to recognise bad scripture and reinterpret or contextualise according (a minority within the Muslim minority, voiceless and abandoned by the Left for fear of offending the poor sensitivities of religious bigots).

  • Bonkim

    You will find many in the older generation Muslims – first generation immigrants less bigoted than those in the younger.

  • stedman_dantes

    “The fight to defend ex-Muslims therefore is a fight to defend all Muslims who reject extremism.”

    I suppose it might be. It wasn’t a fight anybody in England ever envisaged having to take place in England. The trouble with people like Nick Cohen is that they don’t ever seem to understand that we kind of liked our country as it was, and without having to have these conversations about how not to get murdered by alien religious nutters without whom we were content.

    Still, Cohen will rage against Ukip or anyone else who thinks that England was happier, safer and more pleasant before we were inundated with the 3rd world and its not very delightful culture, and tell us that we’re racists or that we’re wrong somehow to want to have our country as it was.

    The fight to defend ex-Muslims is a fight that should not be imported to Penzance, Guidlford or Stow on the Wold. It should take place not in my country.

    • Malcolm Stevas

      Yes, that’s what it comes down to. If the political class – administrations of either hue – in the 1950s-1980s had known what the results might be of their criminal irresponsibility in facilitating mass immigration from other continents, would they have behaved differently? Or would they still have displayed the indolent, feckless, cynical, short-sighted, treasonous unconcern that has altered our demography, and our urban landscape, so horribly?

      • stedman_dantes

        I wouldn’t blame so much the 50s-80s Governments; they operated an immigration policy that was based on how many people we needed, would they be a benefit to us, and so on.

        It’s only recently that we’ve had more than half a million people being hurled our way every year, from places where the literacy rate even for the locals is low, and who cannot possibly be of any benefit to a developed democracy. This deliberate attempt to make us a low wage strip of land with no heritage is Blair’s doing. Thatcher and the Prime Ministers before her did at least understand that they were custodians of our country.

        Now we are pawns, not Kings or Queens.

        • Malcolm Stevas

          You are entirely right in pointing to the recent upsurge in mass immigration and the appalling Blair regime’s responsibility for a dramatic increase in numbers. But I always suggest that prevous administrations set the tone: from the 1950s on, governments huffed & puffed a lot, and the Conservatives were a bit tougher than Labour, but they failed to lay down fundamental principles on immigration that if done correctly might have prevented or limited the demographic sabotage post-1997. They showed insufficient patriotism, foresight, grit, and readiness to confront received bien pensant opinion.

          • stedman_dantes

            Maybe where we differ is that I think that in the 1950s and 1960s we had the closest we’ll have to benign government, and those governments wanted full employment, better working conditions, decent living standards etc.

            Our governments now are not so keen on this stuff. Hence, bung the 3rd world at us, make our wages lower, make our rents unaffordable, turn us back into serfs. Oh well.

          • Malcolm Stevas

            Gosh, someone even more cynical/paranoid than me! But I know what you mean. I think it’s clear that politicians in those distant decades were more likely to be driven by conviction and/or a sense of public duty, rather than the career considerations now prevalent. And I think they had more guts: the present shower are too terrified of appearing non-PC to be effective. And of course 50s/60s MPs were of the WW2 generation, many of them having served in uniform – the wet Heath had a “good war” in artillery, left as a LtCol I think; Powell rose from private soldier to Brigadier, was a notable scholar too, great Parliamentarian. What would he have thought about DC & Osborne, one wonders.

          • stedman_dantes

            I don’t consider myself paranoid; just grimly realist. Those previous Ministers who as you say fought in the War were men with dignity who wanted to create a better society. My horrible fear is that the post-45 society is a blip, and we are lurching towards a rather nasty multicultural wilderness, in which our old values are not held to be worth much; our neighbours will be people with whom we have nothing in common – not even a language – and we will just be members of a bit of land, as opposed to being English citizens.

          • mohdanga

            Citizenship and a sense of belonging to a certain culture don’t matter, it’s the ‘passport of convenience’ that is the most important thing to the large majority of these 3rd world enrichers. But by the time things are finished the British passport will have lost its value and the locusts will have moved on to the next field.

      • knowshistory

        the feel-good benefits of multiculturalism are immediate. the genocide comes later. they would have betrayed us. after all, they did get to feel superior for 50 years, and all they had to sacrifice was their integrity, reason, and the freedom and lives of their descendants.

    • Damaris Tighe

      You are of course right, but what has happened has happened & we have to deal with it.

  • beenzrgud

    Lots of talk about creating safe spaces nowadays. Most of it is complete nonsense, but for those that want to ditch Islam it is very relevant indeed. I completely agree with the idea that every effort should be made to ensure those that decide to leave this dead end of a religion feel safe to do so. They should also feel safe to freely discuss leaving with their friends, etc. I expect the more that decide to leave the more will be encouraged to consider is as a possibility. Anyone, and that includes imams, community leaders, and fools like Choudary, who is found to in any way threaten or coerce those who have left or are considering leaving should have the book thrown at them. They should preferably then be deported to the nearest Mulsim 3rd world sh*thole.

  • jack

    The problem has always been the ideology of Islam and not the brainwashed, subjugated, or threatened individual, or even a collective of Muslims.
    I very much believe the West needs to nurture and protect the freedom to become an apostate. Modern writers need to set an example by providing truths from the Koran that are openly debated such as their belief of the Earth being flat, the implied age of consent of 8 years etc +1000 other examples.
    Forensic examination of the whole concept, ideology, politics and the law of Islam should be the new Cultural Revolution for those unfortunately enslaved, and we are the ones who should offer absolute protection rather than being ignorantly tolerant, apologetic and overly nice (Obamaesque, Cameronesque, Hollandeque and Merkelesque).

    • Hybird

      At the every least we need to show that Islam’s “Perfect Man” wasn’t even a very nice man; and definitely shouldn’t e taken as a role model – unless you are a budding Charles Manson type, that is.

  • Arthur Ascii

    Unless and until Muslims afford the same tolerance and respect to apostates, gays, Jews etc that they demand from everyone else then we will remain at loggerheads. The fact is that they won’t be doing that anytime soon so things are likely to get worse before they get better.

  • Mc

    “Your parents hate you for rejecting their dogmas.”

    These ex-Muslims don’t seem to realise that being cut off by their families is the best possible outcome, as their family clearly doesn’t love them. Why would it be worth sticking around in a poisonous family even if they weren’t apostates?

    • cartimandua

      I imagine it is terribly lonely. There are many people who have to cut off their families, but not often most others of the same background too.
      I hope they can find clubs and societies where they may meet lovely people.
      Music and Art groups come to mind as those things don’t seem to be very “Islamic”.

    • This isn’t entirely true. Some families come around, some are pretty cool with it in the end and some completely reject you. It can be, but is NOT always, the best possible outcome.

      • Mc

        Sure, there are no absolutes in these types of matters, particularly if the children are habituated to be accepting of autocratic parents. Having spent my childhood surrounded by the mild end of Christian fundamentalism, I can safely say that life away from their disfunctionality is certainly the pleasanter option.

        • Lydia Robinson

          I know a Pakistani who has entered a Christian faith after suffering the most vile abuse and persecution from his former faith.

  • Diggery Whiggery

    “Except that in practice Britain does no such thing. The RELIGIOUS have the freedom to proselytise and seek converts, and to insist that their remarkably tender feelings be treated with ‘respect’.”

    Don’t bring other religions into this by using general references to ‘the religious’. This is about Islam and only Islam, muslims and only muslims.

    “But the converse does not apply. If ex-Muslims denounce religious bigotry, they put themselves in danger.”

    For people of other religions, the converse does most certainly apply.

  • Peter Stroud

    I agree wholeheartedly with those who have opined that Moslems, wishing to live in this country, must accept our generally tolerant attitude to religion. They can express their views, but any attempt to force their dogma on others will not be tolerated. And any threats of violence will be dealt with by law. Unfortunately, this is not happening at present.

  • lyndsey

    Very good. As the head of a local CofE school said recently in a public speech “It’s a normal and acceptable thing to change religion”.

  • Rowland Nelken

    As an ex Jehovah’s Witness I am more than aware, ideed a member of, a number of online groups of ex Jehovah’s Witnesses. So far as I know, in Christendom. such ‘ex’ groups are purely connected with extreme and fundamentalist sects. I have never, for example, come across a group of ex Anglicans, ex Quakers or ex Methodists. And as for ‘British ex Christians’ – does anyone know of the existence of such a group? The guys featured here are not ex Salafis, Wahhabis or Al Quaedr. They are purely ‘ex Muslims’. This, I think, tells a lot about an essential difference between these two Abrahamic groups.

    • cartimandua

      If a group refuses to let people leave it is a cult not a religion. Threatening behaviour towards those who leave suggests cult.

  • Thanks to Nick for doing this on us. If you’re reading this, and are Ex Muslim, or know an Ex Muslim, get in touch! If you’re a Muslim but you support the work we’re doing, please please please do speak out in your own communities.


    • Epidermoid

      You are a brave man and I wish you well.

    • Robbydot1

      Good luck to you all.

    • Damaris Tighe

      May the force be with you my friend.

    • I wish you all the best.

      (and isn’t independent free thought just wonderful?)

    • sebastian2

      Well done. You have chosen the freedom to think and to question. We have a duty to support you and your colleagues. Peace be with you all.

    • Mister Rible

      Good Luck to you and the others

  • Coleridge1

    It’s interesting that when Jews threaten to leave France, Sweden and the UK because of muslim terrorism, Holland, Cameron and Merkel plead with them to stay because of their enormous contribution to Science, the Arts and the economy.
    At the same time, Holland, Denmark and Norway are offering financial incentives to muslims to leave. More Euro states will undoubtedly follow.
    Can’t think why?

    • Aporia

      Where did you read that Holland, Denmark and Norway are incentivising Muslim emigration?

  • monk

    Yet the MSM brands Christianity as the radical intolerant faith

  • Hal Burton

    The story of man-made global-warming is a story of science fiction conjured up by fortune-tellers and sooth-sayers with a collectivist political agenda.

  • Picquet

    Defending those values is supposed to be part of Parliament and Government’s function. I see no action.

  • James

    Liberal betray their own kind and country – what else would you expect from a hypocritical bunch of numb skulls?

    • Lydia Robinson

      The “liberals” heroes are likely to be Mao, Trotsky, Lenin, Stalin and some of them had a soft spot for Ghaddafi and Mugabe in former times. Currently, it’s Hamas and Hezbullah. Anyone but Churchill. That says all you need to know about them.

  • thetrashheap

    When it comes to Islam the liberal left is betraying:

    Their country
    tens of thousands of young girls and women,
    womens rights,
    Gay Rights
    the enlightenment
    Free speech

    Moral relativism allows them to betray every principle they claim to have.

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    • It’s just ludicrous. One wonders how any ‘prophet’ can be so ignorant of religion.

  • Hippograd

    Across the Muslim world today the tyrannical are triumphing over the tolerant. It is not just the Islamic State, Iran and other enemies of the West who punish apostasy with death, but the West’s ‘allies’ in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. Unsurprisingly in an interconnected world, the foul belief that you can punish men and women for following their consciences flourishes in Britain too.

    “Interconnected world”? What precisely does Mr Cohen mean by that curious terminology? Is he unwilling to say that mass immigration, as supported vehemently by liberals such as himself, has imported millions of Muslims into a Western world formerly unenriched by them? If so, why is he unwilling?

    Strangely, however, in this interconnected world of ours, mass immigration has passed Israel by. Israel certainly has problems with autochthonic Islam, as it were, but it hasn’t increased those problems by getting interconnected and importing Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Chechens, Moroccans, Somalis et al. Unlike the UK, France, US, Sweden, etc, etc.

    • Damaris Tighe

      Israel did make the big mistake of allowing in several thousand ‘asylum seekers’ (mostly single men) from Sudan & Eritrea. These East African Muslims travelled through Muslim Egypt to get to the Jewish state. Some have shown their gratitude through theft, assault & rape. One entered a Tel Aviv home at night & was found beside a little girl’s bed as she lay sleeping. Luckily her father was a martial arts expert …

      The Israeli gov responded to demonstrations & near riots in the poor areas of TA most affected by the crime imported by this influx, by setting up holding camps. But the Israeli liberals – with no care for their country as per all western liberals – are working hard to get them dismantled.

      • Hippograd

        Those Israeli liberals haven’t been successful and won’t be successful. But Jewish liberals in the UK, US, France etc have been very successful, which is why we’re been enriched by blacks and Muslims and black Muslims.

    • Mister Rible

      because Israelis are smart – hence they have survived incredible odds
      and Europeans are stupid, that’s why they have not learned anything form the first Nazis, and are now appeasing the second Nazis

      i mean, why the f*** should Israel import Chechens and Bangladeshi and Pakistanis?

      • Hippograd

        Europeans are stupid, that’s why they have not learned anything form the first Nazis, and are now appeasing the second Nazis

        But the stupid Europeans include all Jewish organizations in Europe, like the Board of Jewish Deputies in the UK. Unless you can produce any evidence to the contrary that is. Like a denunciation of Muslim immigration.

        i mean, why the f*** should Israel import Chechens and Bangladeshi and Pakistanis?

        I didn’t say they should. They are right not to. But Jews support immigration by those groups into Europe and the US.

  • moraywatson

    Islam would not exist without the penalty of death for apostasy.

    • WTF

      Good point, its like being forced to be a member of the Nazi party or Communist party for fear of being killed if you don’t. The only difference is most Germans and Russians didn’t actively embrace those ideologies as Muslims do with Islam.

  • De Doc

    When it comes to choosing between principle and the vote, one can guess which the politician almost always follows.

  • Mhjames

    Nick Cohen keeps on discovering what Britain’s ‘progressives’ are really like. Will he ever stop identifying with them?

    • John Bindon

      Cohen is an excellent writer and one I nearly always agree with. I think he is like me, liberal on some things, and less so on others. What’s wrong with that ? Its never as simple as “left” or “right” you know.

  • Ambientereal

    This article and the reported behavior of the family (she remembered her sister saying were to wish that she were dead) shows clearly that there are no “moderate muslims”, that for all of them the same rules are valid “God or death” or “God and death”

    • John Bindon

      Did you even read the article ?

      • Ambientereal

        Of course, and the paragraphs that most impacted me are the 3rd and 4th. There, it will be reported about the rejection of the family and (even) the death desire of a close relative (sister), which means that all muslims are violent in thought. Here I stop explaining because I´m not sure of your seriousness.

        • John Bindon

          I’m entirely serious. It’s your comment – that you re-iterate here – I take issue with. ALL Muslims ? a) this must therefore include Imtiaz, Aliya and Sara whereas the article makes it clear that they WERE Muslims who are NOT violent in thought and thus wish to disassociate themselves with those Muslims who ARE violent in thought. b) How many Muslims in the world ? Millions ? Billions ? How do you claim to know how they ALL think ?

          • Ambientereal

            Muslims, who want to show they are not violent, can only show it by leaving islam. In fact if someone is actually non violent, it couldn´t be a muslim. How do I know how they think? Is´t easy, they believe in islam, a religion that rules everything in the life of muslims even their thougths

  • vvputout

    Britain betraying ex-Muslims.

    Britain betraying Christians in ME.

    So it goes on.

  • This piece by Len Tingle is useful,

    “Once the Mirpuri/ Pakistani community in Britain started to
    politically organise its leaders found the UK highly fertile ground for
    the introduction of political practices imported from their homeland.

    Specifically I am talking about the close links between organised
    crime, politics based in caste and clan and the protection of the
    misogynistic male dominance within their own community; inevitably this
    ended up protecting sexual criminals.

    A culture where the clan (Biraderi) leaders effectively abuse
    religion and family ties to enrich themselves , abusing their own
    community by deliberately building up fear of kafir (non Muslim
    outsiders) to make them toe the community leadership line. The likes of
    EDL, BNP and UKIP are a gift to a Biraderi leadership who canscare their
    own by saying “that’s what awaits if you leave our nest”.

    Another tactic of the leadership is to be seen with white figures
    of power, because poor and ill-educated people understand power in a
    way that the empowered middle classes don’t. They are sending out
    messages: look at me, I can look after you, I can do things, don’t
    challenge me, I am more important than you.

    Here we must make an important point that the Biraderi system and
    the criminal leadership are equally damaging for those within their own
    community. The inherent misogyny and mafia like threats to exclude and
    punish those who broke the code of silence means many crimes going
    unreported, many young Pakistani girls raped and then disinherited.

    For those who choose to look there has been a build of evidence
    for many years that much of the political leadership coming forward from
    of the Pakastani/Mirpur community is corrupt, especially in inner town
    and city wards. Inevitably this local organisation has polluted the
    whole body of the Labour Party.

    There is no excuse for the Labour Party nationally and locally
    turning a blind eye to these corrupt practices. In a meeting with
    Bradford Muslim women Ed Miliband actually promised that the Party would
    no longer depend upon the Biraderi leadership as its source of
    reference for the Muslim community.

    Perhaps what Ed didn’t confront, or understand is that here we
    are talking about criminality and the tolerance of criminality for self
    -interest. In Rotherham that interest was the 2000 votes, guaranteeing
    the re-election of Labour Councillors and MP.

    The crimes, including sex crimes are nothing to do with Islam or
    mystical cultural differences. It is never a question of the Labour
    party “tolerating the difference”, it was about too many in the party
    wanting to garner the block votes that come through the Biraderi.

    The same power of the Biraderi leadership that oppressed their
    own communities and protect organised crime was what has attracted the
    Labour Party; they could use their control to deliver the vote. The only
    price for many in the Labour is wilfully turning a blind eye, and
    justifying it as an equalities issue.”

  • Pluto Animus

    Liberals have their hearts in the right place.
    Too bad they’re idiots.

  • pobinr

    Nostradamus predicted that the east would invade the west from within

  • John c

    Our politicians have repeatedly shown themselves to be spineless, only ukip have broached the topic with any meaning and they are targeted by the multiculturalist media as being racists for doing so.Ther is no hope for Britain whilst we refuse ti talk about the elephant in the room that is islam , all of islam.It is not a religion of fairness, love and virtue, it one of division, hate and oppression.

  • “Astonishing because they volunteered to step forward to the front line after the Islamist murders of satirists and Jews in Paris…”

    You mean the non-murders of the Marxists at Charlie Hebdo (who thinks up these names!) by two French special forces who were allowed to flee the scene even though fifteen minutes had elapsed between the initial call to the police and a police cruiser allowing the two fake terrorists to escape…

    The CBS News article reads, “A reporter for Britain’s Telegraph newspaper in Paris told Sky News that the first two officers to arrive, who were apparently unarmed…”


    All Paris police are armed, including Paris bicycle police* as the 2014 picture of two such bicycle officers in Paris proves (scroll down the article)…


    …and the police officer lying on the ground (Ahmed Merabet), pretending he was shot, who “arrived on the scene on a mountain bike” is not wearing the uniform of the National Police bicycle unit. He’s wearing the standard uniform for the National Police. Bicycle police have two wide silver stripes on their uniform leggings, as the picture above shows. Of course, the huge gaffe here is that even after a fifteen minute** killing spree in the center of Paris (1) no other police have arrived on the scene!; (2) the area hasn’t been cordoned off to exiting traffic!; and (3) the video shows the police cruiser allowing the “terrorists” to get away!

    So, why the false flag operation you ask? The so-called “War on Terror” is an operation being carried out by the Marxist co-opted governments of the West in alliance with the USSR and other Communist nations, the purpose being to (1) destroy the prominence of the West in the eyes of the world, where the West is seen (i) invading nations without cause; (ii) causing chaos around the globe; and (iii) killing over one-million civilians and boasting of torture; (2) close off non-Russian supplies of oil for export, thereby increasing the price of oil, the higher price allowing oil exporting Russia to maintain economic stability while she modernizes and increases her military forces; (3) destroy the United States Armed Forces via the never-ending “War on Terror”; the ultimate purpose of the aforementioned to (4) bring about the demise of the United States in the world, opening up a political void to be filled by a new pan-national entity composed of Europe and Russia (replacing the European Union), a union “From the Atlantic to Vladivostok”; which will (5) see the end of NATO.

    Now you know how Bolshevik Russia survived in 1917; how the West “lost” China to the Communists in 1949; why the Eisenhower administration turned a deaf ear to the anti-Communist Hungarian uprising in 1956; why the Eisenhower administration in 1959 was indifferent to the Castro brothers’ Communist fidelity, actually used the CIA to overthrow the Batista government; why the Nixon administration abandoned Taiwan for Communist China, and signed treaties/provided economic aid to the USSR; why the Nixon administration refused to tell the American People that over 50% of North Vietnamese NVA regiments were actually Chinese People’s Liberation Army soldiers (attired in NVA uniforms, and proving that the Sino/Soviet Split was a ruse, as KGB defector Major Anatoliy Golitsyn told the West back in 1962), thereby (1) ensuring the Vietnam War would be lost; (2) destroying the prominence of the United States abroad and at home; (3) breeding distrust between the American people and their government; and (4) securing Communist victories in Southeast Asia. Working in the background within the political parties of the United States and Great Britain were Marxist agents doing their best to (1) ensure the survival of Communist nations when they popped up; and (2) sabotage any policies that would bring down a Communist nation. That’s why after the fake collapses of the East Bloc nations and USSR there was no mandatory Western verification process to ensure the Communists weren’t still in control.

    The fraudulent “collapse” of the USSR (and East Bloc) couldn’t have been pulled off until both political parties in the United States (and political parties elsewhere in the West) were co-opted by Marxists,* which explains why verification of the “collapse” was never undertaken by the West, such verification being (1) a natural administrative procedure (since the USSR wasn’t occupied by Western military forces); and (2) necessary for the survival of the West. Recall President Reagan’s favorite phrase, “Trust, but verify”.

    Notice that not one political party in the West requested verification of the collapse of the USSR, and the media failed to alert your attention to this fact, including the “alternative” media. When determining whether the “former” USSR is complying with arms control treaties, what does the United States do to confirm compliance? Right, the United States sends into the “former” USSR investigative teams to VERIFY compliance, yet when it’s the fate of the West that’s at stake should the collapse of the USSR be a ruse, what does the United States do to confirm the collapse? Nothing!

    It gets worse–the “freed” Soviets and West also never (1) de-Communized the Soviet Armed Forces of its Communist Party officer corps, which was 90% officered by Communist Party members; and (2) arrested/de-mobilized the 6-million vigilantes that assisted the Soviet Union’s Ministry of the Interior and police control the populations of the larger cities during the period of “Perestroika” (1986-1991)!

    There can be no collapse of the USSR (or East Bloc nations) without…

    Verification, De-Communization and De-mobilization.

    The West never verified the collapse of the USSR because no collapse occurred, since if a real collapse had occurred the West would have verified it, since the survival of the West depends on verification. Conversely, this proves that the political parties of the West were co-opted by Marxists long before the fraudulent collapse of the USSR, since the survival of the West depends on verification.


    *”Merabet, who was seen on the footage as alone on the street, had a service gun and a bullet proof vest, said Michel Thooris of the France Police labor union.”


    ** “We evacuated via the roof just next to the office. After around ten minutes we saw two heavily armed, masked men in the street.”


    “Masked gunmen burst into 6 rue Nicolas-Appert in Paris about 11.30am local time on Wednesday, shouting “Is this Charlie Hebdo?” before realising they had the wrong address.

    The men then moved quickly down the road to number 10 and fired at reception staff…

    Police received reports of gunshots at the Charlie Hebdo headquarters about 11.30am and immediately sent officers to the scene.”


    Shortly after fleeing the crime scene, the “terrorists”…


    …inexplicably stop their car and get out to display their weapons, then get back into their car where they confront the police cruiser that allows them to evade! We’re looking at at least fifteen minutes elapsed time from when the reception staff at number 10 called the police to the incident where the police cruiser allows the “terrorists” to evade.

    ***The failed socialist inspired and controlled pan-European revolutions that swept the continent in 1848 thought Marxists and socialists a powerful lesson, that lesson being they couldn’t win overtly, so they adopted the tactic of infiltration of the West’s political parties/institutions.

    • cartimandua

      Islamists have mass murdered over 25,000 times since 9/11. Its not a conspiracy. Muslims make themselves poor and violent with gender apartheid.
      They don’t “do ” reflection and its always someone else’s fault.

      • “Islamists have mass murdered over 25,000 times since 9/11.”

        I just proved that so-called “Islamists”/”Jihadists” are Marxist creations, and that the “War on Terror” is a Marxist operation to destroy the prominence of the West. What part of my comment didn’t you comprehend? It’s conclusive and made very easy to comprehend.

    • Marxist False Flag Operation In Woolwich, London (May 22, 2013)…

      Here’s the Woolwich, London sidewalk that Lee Rigby was said to have had his head partially severed. Note there’s no pools of blood…


      …and here’s the sidewalk with the pools of blood, after the arrival of the armed police

      (the grey area in the top sidewalk tile covers the whole base area of the tile according to the witness photo, but in the images below the supposed blood pool for that tile is only a long narrow band confined to the tile’s left area)…


      …and a close up view (one can clearly make out the stained grey area that covers the base area of the top sidewalk tile, and there isn’t supposed to be any pools of blood in the lower sidewalk tile according to the witness photo)…


      Oops, MI5 forgot to add the pools of blood before the cell phone cameras started taking pictures! By the way, why is that lady in the background calmly walking by, unconcerned? Because the incident was a drill that went live, which is called a false flag operation.

      Now you know why the spectators were just standing around taking pictures at the scene, or calmly going about their business, walking by the “murderers”…


      and another unconcerned pedestrian that no one is preventing from walking right by one of the “murderers”…


      Then we have the pedestrian with the video phone who stands calmly as one of the “murderers” approaches him and records the “murderer’s” rambling speech on his video phone!

      • Andy Harris

        Looking at the 1st & 2nd pictures, it seems pretty obvious that the same three narrow streams of blood in the 2nd picture are also visible in the 1st picture to the right of Adebolajo (basically between him and the steel pillar that supports a road sign). The larger area of blood is also in evidence as a dark discolouration of the paving stones slightly further back (to the left of the base of the steel pillar).

  • Petr Seberád

    I partly understand. One my grandma was so religious, that she wanted be nun. But father was anti-theist. When grandpa bought me bible for kids. Father found it and said it is for stupid people.

  • pobinr

    How Islam is betrays everything we hold dear > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grwH3dMBJk4&feature=share

  • justejudexultionis

    Superb article from Cohen, one of the few remaining defenders of liberty in this country.

  • cartimandua

    Liberals have been betraying Muslim women since multiculti was invented purely to curry favour with minority male voters.

  • Professor Brand

    The ideology of liberalism *requires* an ever-shifting mirage of illusions.

    • WTF

      Like it – I guess its because they keep getting outed for spitting out obvious lies !

  • WTF

    Is it any wonder that ex-Muslims are being abandoned by Cameron and the establishment unwilling to confront the facism of Islam.

    Fascism is defined as “a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.” Islam is no different and fascist by nature and implementation !

    has a mythical ‘god’ promoted by a barbaric war lord, raper, pillager
    & pedophile from the 6th century and its clerics today demand
    complete power. It forcibly
    suppresses opposition and criticism by ‘execution’ (Charlie Hepdo in
    Paris), it controls commerce and banking according to Sharia law, it
    certainly emphasizes nationalism in the case of Islamic religion &
    culture, and is most definitely racist in targeting Jews in Paris and
    the UK to name just two countries. By all measures or standards, Islam
    is a fascist political &
    religious form of governance no different from Nazi Germany in the
    1930’s !

  • MikeF

    The bottom line, of course, is simply that a lot of people who claim to be ‘liberal’ are not liberal in any worthwhile sense of the word.

    • WTF

      The only thing their liberal with is their lies !

  • WTF

    How liberal Britain is betraying ex-Muslims”

    They deserve each other in my opinion, the former for creating our current cultural war and the latter for refusing to integrate !

  • WTF

    All this ‘heart wrenching’ discourse from the left about Jihadist John brings tears to my eyes (well, not really).

    Its official now according the the liberal appeasers, he’s now a victim of his upbringing. No that won’t do as he worships the religion of peace so that can’t be right ! Oooops, sorry !

  • tres66

    The penitential attitude of liberals coming from their masochism and need to repent for their ancestors actions, speaks of a deep disturbance in their psyche. In plain English, they are ill.
    Unfortunately it is not just their problem. Their insistence on political correctness has delayed the actions the West needs to take to protect us from Islamic fanaticism. We are already years behind in countering the propaganda and in stopping its preachers because of their influence and the moral cowardice of our Establishment and we will suffer for it.

    • milford

      Vote UKIP 😉 they might not have all the answers but they have some.

  • tres66

    Forgot to say……close down Westminster University.

  • Helen of Troy

    Again we must ask: why are any of these people in Britain in significant numbers in the first place?


  • jamesbarn


    Don’t you sometimes think it odd
    That wars are fought in the name of God
    Behind religion armies hide
    Claiming God is on their side

    But what is even stranger still
    The Gods tell us we must not kill
    Yet we strive with all our might
    To prove that only our Gods right

    And of the others there’s no doubt
    Our Gods say we should wipe them out
    All religion beneath the sun
    Believes that it’s the only one

    To whom mankind should kneel and pray
    So to these ends we wound and slay
    Since the very dawn of time
    In Gods name we commit this crime

    Perhaps if all religions cease
    Mankind will at long last find peace
    Well here’s my own agnostic view
    God and religion NO thank you!

  • WTF

    A riposte against western leaders like Obama who appease Islam –

    Have you ever seen a Muslim hospital?

    Have you heard a Muslim orchestra?

    Have you seen a Muslim band march in a parade?

    Have you witnessed a Muslim charity?

    Have you shaken hands with a Muslim Girl Scout?

    The answer is no, you have not.

    Just ask yourself WHY ?

    Barack Obama, during his Cairo speech, said:

    “I know, too, that Islam has always been a part of America ‘s history.”


    Dear Mr Obama:

    Were those Muslims that were in America when the Pilgrims first landed?
    Funny, I thought they were Native American Indians.

    Were those Muslims that celebrated the first Thanksgiving day? Sorry
    again, those were Pilgrims and Native American Indians.

    Can you show me one Muslim signature on the: United States Constitution?
    Declaration of Independence ? Bill of Rights? Didn’t think so.

    Did Muslims fight for this country’s freedom and independence from
    England? No.

    Did Muslims fight during the Civil War to free the slaves in America?

    No, they did not. In fact, Muslims to this day are still the largest
    traffickers in human slavery.

    Your own half-brother, a devout Muslim, still advocates slavery himself,
    even though Muslims of Arabic descent refer to black Muslims as “pug
    nosed slaves.” Says a lot of what the Muslim world really thinks of your
    family’s “rich Islamic heritage,” doesn’t it Mr. Obama?

    Where were Muslims during the Civil Rights era of America ? – Not
    present. There are no pictures or media accounts of Muslims walking side
    by side
    with Martin Luther King, Jr. or helping to advance the cause of Civil

    Where were the Muslims during America’s Woman’s Suffrage era? Again, not
    present. In fact, devout Muslims demand that women are subservient to
    men in the Islamic culture. So much so, that they are beaten for not
    wearing the ‘hajib’ or for talking to a man who is not a direct family
    member or their husband. Yep, the Muslims are all for women’s rights,
    aren’t they?

    Where were Muslims during World War II? They were aligned with Adolf
    Hitler. The Muslim grand mufti himself met with Adolf Hitler, reviewed
    the troops and accepted support from the Nazi’s in killing Jews.

    Finally, Mr. Obama, where were Muslims on Sept. 11th, 2001? If they
    weren’t flying planes into the World Trade Centre , The Pentagon or a
    field in Pennsylvania killing nearly 3,000 people on our own soil, they
    were rejoicing in the Middle East.

    No one can dispute the pictures shown from all parts of the Muslim world
    celebrating on CNN, Fox News, MSNBC and other cable news network’s that

    Strangely, the very “moderate” Muslims who’s rear ends you bent over
    backwards to kiss in Cairo, Egypt on June 4th were stone cold silent
    post 9-11. To many Americans, their silence has meant approval for the
    acts of that day. THAT, Mr. Obama, is the “rich heritage” Muslims have in America

    Oh, I’m sorry, I forgot to mention the Barbary Pirates. They were all

    November 5, 2009 – the slaughter of American soldiers at Fort Hood by a
    Muslim major who is a doctor and a psychiatrist who was supposed to be
    counselling soldiers returning from battle in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Sept 11, 2012. On the 11th anniversary of the September 11 terror
    attacks in New York, armed Islamic militants stormed the diplomatic
    outpost in Benghazi, setting the building on fire. Ambassador Stevens,
    computer specialist Sean Smith, and CIA security contractors Tyrone
    Woods and Glen Doherty, both former Navy SEALs, were killed over the
    course of two battles that night. Obama and Hillary Clinton ignored
    their calls for help.

    Also, don’t forget the Boston Marathon bombing on April 15, 2013 was
    done by two Muslim Brothers. That, Mr. Obama is the “Muslim heritage”
    in America.

    Now we have the deaths of two Canadian Soldiers, one run down by a
    motor vehicle the other shot whilst guarding a war memorial with an
    unloaded rifle.

    That is the unvarnished truth so suck it up !

  • Terry Field

    Liberal! Britain is the least liberal, most managed, most poisoned-by-propaganda state in the western world at the present time.

  • Always Vigilant

    The vanguard of liberalism is attempting to convince the American people that despotism is warranted in the name of ‘public health’.

  • Lydia Robinson

    Seriously, I am looking into moving to a country somewhere where I no longer have to see, read about or worry about being attacked by anyone from this creed. I hear Taiwan is completely free of it.

  • Lydia Robinson

    Nick Cohen as a liberal himself is finally waking up to the problem created by the illiberal mult-culti creed promoted to the point of indoctrination in all educational and public institutions where people walk into a country and are encouraged not to accept any of its laws, heritage or culture or even bother to learn the language. Now it’s blowing up in their faces. “First they came for the writers, then they came for the Jews and then they came for us.” That’s you, liberals.

  • UriahOlathaire

    Onymous ex-Muslims are incredibly brave, I wouldn’t drop anonymity and talk about my apostacy.

    Some of the really nasty attacks on this community originate from white, middle class social justice/identity politics warriors in the authoritarian left.

    Racism is bad, unless they do it, or something.

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  • Faizah

    sohail isn’t Somali, he’s Pakistani Kashmiri. and he isn’t just gay, that’s not his profession