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To make asylum work, we’ll have to talk frankly

It’s the dishonest debate on immigration that poisons the atmosphere for refugees

8 November 2014

9:00 AM

8 November 2014

9:00 AM

It is the easiest thing in the world to say who should come to Britain and why. But if there are people who should be coming here, then surely there are others who should not? It is through our unwillingness to address the second part of this question that our problems arise.

All polls show a majority of the British public want immigration reduced. But our politicians do not know what to do about it. One answer is to be honest. The Canadian and Australian ‘points-based systems’ we often hear about these days is just cover-speak for ‘who we want to let in’.

So let’s have that discussion. There are those, like Vince Cable, who like to pretend that immigrants consist solely of technology entrepreneurs. In reality almost nobody is opposed to letting in highly skilled workers, especially from first-world countries. They benefit us and cause little to no societal trouble.


Mass immigration from second-world countries (Eastern Europe) is more of a mixed bag. There is an argument that these immigrants do the jobs ‘we’ don’t want to do. But to support this you have to see no problem in importing people to do jobs so that our domestic working class don’t have to work. And financial benefits? Most studies show the real-term economic benefits of such immigration to be negligible.

Then there is the ‘third world’. This is the part of the debate we ought to be thinking about most. But our fear of racism means it is the issue we now talk about least. Yet the countries from which mass immigration has caused real trouble are all third-world countries: Bangladesh, Pakistan, Somalia and Jamaica, for instance. (Cue the obvious but necessary disclaimer — no this doesn’t mean every person from these countries is a problem.) Does anyone doubt that? Very few in private. But in public blindness remains our default which, apart from anything else, suggests we’re not very good at learning from recent history.

Today it is almost impossible to find anyone, even of the left, who thinks that transplanting whole Kashmiri villages to the North of England in the 1960s was a good idea. Brought in to do low-paid, low-skilled jobs which then disappeared, their children don’t even have their parents’ opportunities. Stuck in areas with few prospects, the religion their parents often sought to escape becomes — predictably enough — the dominating factor in their lives. Did anybody in favour of immigration factor that in during the 1960s? No. Does anybody factor in the multi-generational issues mass migration raises today? No. Experts discuss immigration solely as a fiscal issue. But it isn’t. It is also a societal one and a moral one. Nobody doubts most Somalis are better off here, but are our lives better for having them here? What are the metrics for where the negatives outweigh the benefits? Are there any?

We pretend that Somalis from one of the most dangerous and lawless countries on the planet become secular democrats once they are in Acton. And we like to say that the vast influx of families from the Indian subcontinent simply make East London more ‘diverse’. Sure. But it has also brought Bangladesh-style political corruption and Pakistan’s religious wars to areas such as Tower Hamlets.

Finally, wrapped up in all of this, are genuine asylum seekers. These are the people who get a double dose of bad luck. Though they constitute the tiniest percentage of immigrants to the UK, the advocates and apologists for mass immigration continuously use them as examples. In doing so they make a terrible mistake. Very few people who want stricter border controls object to genuine asylum seekers being given sanctuary in this country. Though we may have to accept that we can’t welcome every gay in Africa or every religious minority in the Middle East, and that countries near to or bordering the conflict zones are the best places for refugees to go. But when the mass economic migration of recent decades is melded together with asylum, the well of public tolerance for genuine asylum seekers is poisoned. One reason France may take in twice as many asylum seekers as the UK each year is that France takes in less than a quarter of the net economic migrants each year that we do.

Only two things really matter on immigration: who you take in, and in what numbers. We refuse to discuss the former and our governments botch the latter. In the years after 1681 Britain took in roughly 50,000 Huguenots — an extraordinary occurrence. But that is equal to a normal six weeks of immigration in 21st-century Britain. Perhaps this will all turn out beautifully. Perhaps everyone will integrate every six weeks as well as those French Protestants did over centuries. Or perhaps they won’t. But what a gamble to take with a country.

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  • Dispossession through mass immigration (Rotherham,Rochdale …) has ruined the lives of millions.
    Labour sold 100 000s of Northern White working class children into Islamic booty slavery .Liberals and extreme anti-British Ralph Miliband-ish leftist multi cults value the Ethnic muslim vote more than British children. All these sacrifices on the altar of white-guilt and multiculturalism result of liberal anti-national cultural marxism.
    This kind of racial replacement and displacement would be called ethnic cleansing in any other Non-Western country. Imagine the headlines if other native peoples were a minority in their own cities?? If Islamabad was suddenly full of white Christians in a generation, or if Baghdad was full of black muslims from Africa in thirty years, not arab muslims. It would be a terrible thing, a global crisis, and aid would be sent and bombs dropped!!
    But our own press and media think this is a good thing for their own Britain. They are mad.
    Vote UKIP and send the anti-British anti-christian anti Western BBC ,LIblabcon traitors to jail.

    • Randy McDonald

      “This kind of racial replacement and displacement would be called ethnic cleansing in any other Non-Western country.”

      Immigration would not be called ethnic cleansing in any country, at least not if it was unaccompanied by military occupation and forced displacements.

      • vieuxceps2

        If you think racial displacement does not exist except under force of arms then I suggest you visit Bradford, Rochdale, Rotherham Slough,Leicester or even London.Birthrates of incomers will of course ensure that this will continue, no soldiers needed.White people have been displaced from such towns and cities.Ethnic cleansing or ethnic displacement,it amounts to the same in the end….

        • Randy McDonald

          “.Birthrates of incomers will of course ensure that this will continue”

          That isn’t ethnic cleansing. That’s simple migration.

          Ethnic cleansing is a phrase that has a very specific meaning, involving the militarized displacement of one population by another. Saying it’s something completely different denudes the phrase of its meaning. One might as well say that selling steeped tea is the moral equivalent of rape, proving that one knows nothing of rape _and_ steeped tea.

          • vieuxceps2

            See the last sentence of my post.I have never sold steeped tea.Are you insane? Do not reply.

          • Randy McDonald

            “Are you insane?”

            No, just frustrated by people who use words and phrases in ways that completely contradict their actual meanings.

    • forestarcher

      “Vote UKIP” is what I intend to do, but you are mistaken if you think this will solve the immigration problem. There are too many here already with a high birthrate. I also think that UKIP do not understand the need for racial conciousness if a nation is to survive. There is nothing unacceptable about that – every real nation has it if it wants to survive.

      UKIP is actually split on this issue. Listen carefully to Douglas Carswell condemning “angry nativism.” That’s us he is talking about.

      • John Steadman

        Good luck to UKIP, but I think that they too are to some extent intimidated by the “racist’ ranters in the liberal media and political establishment. We need to close the doors now, to all except in cases of extreme compassion, and re-open them gradually according to a sensible policy based on national interest and compassion for those in genuine need of asylum.

      • wow forestarcher, that’s the most self aware comment i’ve seen from a btl kipper. there might be hope for ukip yet.

      • poltard

        This is what I feel too. I will vote UKIP, but they are still only circling the real issues, they haven’t managed to bring the issues you mention into the public domain yet (no doubt they would be persecuted as nazis for doing so, but the left will play their games regardless).

        • global city

          Perhaps the role of a mainstream political party is to open up and provide the environment where groups/people like you an take up that mantle?

          • poltard

            That sounds nice but I’m not sure how it would work. We live in a time when anti-fa targets benign parties like UKIP and feminists are busy on redefining rape as saying hello in the street, as well as laws that can lock people up for hurting other people’s feelings on twitter. I certainly wouldn’t feel safe talking frankly about these issues in public. Also, unfortunately, a large portion of the people who are affected socially by these issues are unable to speak eloquently about it (something the mainstream parties and papers realise and abuse in order to create silence). I’m pessimistic about the chances of this debate making it to the public sphere without being constantly mauled and deformed into an acceptable effigy for burning.

          • global city

            Yes…and that is the issue I highlighted. UKIP need to be in a position where they can command a level playing field… to do that they need power. Until they gain some power they would themselves be crushed by the harpies if they tried to contextualise any ‘sensitive’ issue from their current base.

            We are debating this issue in the knowledge that our established political elite have no intention of trying to role back the march of the creepy New Left and their culture destroying campaigns.

          • Grace Ironwood

            accurate insight I think

      • Grace Ironwood

        re “nativist” interests in immigration
        This way of framing immigration issues is a huge step. UKIP are already surrounded by powerful interests that want to destroy them just for wanting to control free for all EU immigration.

        Realistically its going to be step at a time, to drag the goalposts, before UK gets politicians that state out loud they will address this issue AND have the power and electoral mandate to be able do so. Incremental power, building up the undoubted constituency is crucial. It may not be ukip. ukip may just be first party- further intermediates needed,
        Regarding UKIP I think many believe that EU immigration probably is stalking horse for concern with other, much more culturally damaging, immigration. if UKIP themselves get more powerful and take this next step, Conventional progressives like Carswell may eventually have to go.
        The political and societal context will probably have to get even more scary before you get the politicians you need to crash through the years of fear and discipline imposed by Cultural Marxist, post-colonialist ideology.

        But sleepers are starting to wake and language is shifting…

        • Hagen vanTronje

          “”This way of framing immigration issues is a huge step. UKIP are already surrounded by powerful interests that want to destroy them just for wanting to control free for all EU immigration.””
          Not just EU Immigration but Asian/African Immigration as well.!!
          The opponents of UKIP are varied and they have a powerful media voice.
          Andrew Marr is on record as stating that race-mixing in the UK is a good thing and that it would be a good thing if the British would be a coffee-coloured race.
          Of course Marr is a BBC Pander, but it does make you wonder just what their motives are, ??

      • Hagen vanTronje

        UKIP is the best of an unsatisfactory bunch, by far ! however once UKIP gain control then those like myself who are pushing for a major Repatriation Programme to be launched will be heard !
        No Parliament can be bound by what a previous Parliament decides, the Millions of useless mouths from Asia and the Dark Continent so casually imported by various Governments, can equally be exported back to the lands of their Ancestors.

  • Suzy61

    Genuine asylum seekers have been most damaged by bogus asylum seekers and all immigrants have been damaged by the narrative of Justin Marozzi, and his ilk, who live in their privileged cocoons and are completely untouched by the disaster of mass immigration. Why are the British so beastly to everyone?

    If we had tightly controlled, reasonable immigration and we had some way of identifying the genuine asylum seekers from the economic refugees this country would be the most tolerant of all, as our history has proved.

  • Randy McDonald

    “But to support this you have to see no problem in importing people to do
    jobs so that our domestic working class don’t have to work.”

    Would this actually be the case?

  • Robertus Maximus

    There is one big difference between the 50,000 Huguenots – and indeed the thousands of Jews, many of whom followed them into the East End. ALL were willing to fit into our society, all were peaceful, all were hardworking, and all contributed an extraordinary array of skills to this country and its economy. When there were wars they fought for our defence. With the Jews, for instance, it was said they became more patriotic than the British. Now we have people here who want to cut our heads off!

    • Seat of Mars

      Yes in large part the difference is the pull factor. Up until about 1950 the vast majority of immigrants came to the UK not for economic reasons, but to seek a country and culture that would provide them refuge. A culture more aligned to their personal beliefs and concepts of freedom. These people were primed to sign up to “Britishness” and embrace assimilation.

      Today, the vast majority of immigrants come to earn more money than they can at home. That’s all. There is no interest in our culture, or our values, in fact many despise us.

      If anything we should be weeding out people who are only interested in the buck they can make. This is pure parasitism. Entry should be restricted to a points system which includes evidence for a desire to embrace British values.

      • Suzy61

        100% agree.

      • Rocksy

        Entry should be barred completely except to immigrants from the Anglosphere.. There is absolutely no need to import anyone to do work that can be done by British workers, all of whom should have restricted access to benefits. Why are we paying British able bodied workers to stay at home while we import foreign workers to do the job.
        If you are serious about being frank, then the truth is that no matter how hard they work, or how well they integrate, we don’t want them.

        • Hagen vanTronje

          “”Entry should be barred completely except to immigrants from the Anglosphere.. There is absolutely no need to import anyone to do work that can be done by British workers, all of whom should have restricted access to benefits. Why are we paying British able bodied workers to stay at home while we import foreign workers to do the job?”
          Because there are those who get sexual enjoyment from seeing black faces in our Country therefore they push for indiginous to be sidelined in favour of folk from Africa/Asia.

          • saffrin

            “Why are we paying British able bodied workers to stay at home while we import foreign workers to do the job?”

            Because hundreds of thousands of jobs are being advertised across Europe that are not being advertised at home.

        • DiggerLeveller

          Many immigrants I have come across speak better English than the white English. And I have yet to come across a doctor who doesn’t speak English.

          • Rick Nash

            also lets be be prepred no more christmas trees as its ant-islam no go zone for non muslims more attacks on our women and young gils and kids their culture will be forced

      • Rocksy

        And that evidence would be what exactly? The Union Flag tattooed on their a*se?

        • Rick Nash

          then do something about it guys we in canada have started here by stopping letting anymore fanatic refugees

      • MB

        You’re my hero!

      • DiggerLeveller

        I suppose the evidence might include an ability to write grammatical English. If so, you would have to be weeded out.

        • Bob

          Aha, ladies and gentlemen, we do indeed have a winner.
          For the self appointed, patronising, grammar police, troll award. Devoid of a decent argument, the standard grammar troll loves to imply their grasp of sentence structure is superior to all others, this they instinctively feel negates anyone else’s opinion.

          • filthykafur

            Yes Bob, there is always one A…hole !
            Nothing to contribute so they attempt to look as if they have been educated (which is probably a sentence of “cut and paste)! LOL

    • thomasaikenhead

      Robertus Maximus,

      Your comments about the many thousands of Ashkenazi Jews who moved into the East End during the last decades on the 19th century and the first decade of the 20th do not reflect the reality of the situation.

      The Aliens Act of 1905 introduced immigration controls to the UK for the first time in response to the problems caused by the mass immigration of the Ashkenazi Jews of Eastern Europe.

      They certainly were NOT all peaceful, hard-working and most certainly did not bring an extraordinary array of skills. Many were poor and destitute, semi-skilled at best, if at all, and were rightly seen as a great burden as a result.

      The Act of 1905 was unable to address the problems caused by this mass immigration and so the Alien Restriction Act of 1914 was introduced.

      • redsquirrel

        hmm, i googled that. wikipedia agrees. On the other hand, only 10’s of thousands came over per year, they were genuine refugees and they worked hard to integrate & showed loyalty to their new country during war time. Good show. More people like that, less people not like that please.

        • thomasaikenhead

          redsquirrel,

          Well done for taking the time to look up the details of the Aliens Act and see that the comment made by Robertus Maximus about Jewish immigration was not accurate.

          “With the Jews, for instance, it was said they became more patriotic than the British.”

          As for his other claim, it is also clearly not true, as certain Jews used the training they received from the British military to subsequently wound and murder British troops during the Mandate in Palestine.

          Perhaps the most notorious traitor was Ze’ev Jabotinsky who allowed his hatred of the UK to go so far in WWII a when the British Empire fought Nazi Germany to ally himself and his men with fascist Italy!

          Jewish immigrants to the UK, just like Muslims immigrants, contain those who contribute positively and those who are a burden to the society that allows them in.

          • redsquirrel

            yeah sure maybe. probably not though right? I mean scale matters.

          • Jonathan Levy

            All the Jewish underground groups ceased their resistance against Britain for the duration of the war.

            Jabotinsky died on August 4th 1940.

            Italy declared war on France and Britain on June 10th 1940.

            Not much of an alliance, unless we allow our imaginations to supply what the facts deny.

            Since you took the trouble to praise redsquirrel for looking up a few facts on wikipedia, you might do the same next time.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ze%27ev_Jabotinsky#Plan_for_a_revolt_against_the_British

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ze%27ev_Jabotinsky#Death

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_Italy_during_World_War_II#Italy_enters_the_war:_June_1940

            Tens of thousands of Jews fought and died in British armies in WWI and WWII.
            Of these, a few dozen later turned their arms against Britain. In this they were no different from many others – Britain used troops from all over her Empire to fight against Germany, and many of those territories later struggled against Britain for their liberty.

            Of Muslims in Britain, more have chosen to fight on the side of radical Islam than serve in Britain’s army. The ratio of the loyal to the disloyal proves the difference between the two populations.

          • filthykafur

            So…don’t you think that “Tens of thousands” of immigrants is “Mass immigration”? I certainly do sir…and I have nothing against our Jewish people…Im just speaking numbers.

      • Robertus Maximus

        The word “all” was a touch de trop, I’ll admit.

    • Hagen vanTronje

      “”and indeed the thousands of Jews, many of whom followed them into the East End.””
      Like the Kray Brothers you mean, they were not pure Ashkenazi, they had a touch of Tinker as well, but absolutely NO English blood !!

      • Robertus Maximus

        A mixture of Irish, Jewish and Romany, actually. If you are going to pick out two individuals, out of thousands, who only had some Jewish blood in them, you’re getting rather desperate. Still, if even a modicum of Jewish blood bothers you, 1930s Germany might have been more to your taste!

        • Hagen vanTronje

          “Still, if even a modicum of Jewish blood bothers you, 1930s Germany might have been more to your taste!””
          You are referring to the Germans making a serious effort to solve the ,’Jewish Problem’ ?
          no ?

        • Hagen vanTronje

          A mixture of Irish, Jewish and Romany, actually. If you are going to pick out two individuals, out of thousands, who only had some Jewish blood in them,””
          Just wanted to dispel the myth that the Ashkenazi came to London to work hard to pay Taxes and help pay our old age Pensions.

    • James Coleman

      Let’s see how patriotic the Jews in the UK remain if Britain were to attack Israel.

    • DiggerLeveller

      A small minority of Muslims have failed to fit in. That certainly needs addressing. But don’t use it as an excuse to stigmatise the vast majority of peaceful and sensible immigrants.

      • Rick Nash

        Rick Nash ·

        University of Toronto

        Please Canada and the rest of the world Take in Minority chritsians of Iraq Syria and from Pakistan and Hindus and kashmir pundits who were chased away by majority muslims in cashmirwho are raped ,tortured by Fanatic Muslims in those countries i am sorry Many of us feel ISIS has planned to get its terror group into canada through the refugee balanket.Already we all know allover the western world whats Happening letting in Fanatic muslim refugees who in short time of arival show their true colour.No new specially the young muslims understand the meaning of coexsistance with non muslims fellow human beings For them its all about islam and their fanatic way to live do not care about the country or the rules or are patriotic
        violence against women by the peverted muslims is on the rise pleas Candians lets keep our kids safe from these babarians Sorry no more fanatic Islamic barabarians

        And many of us wonder why these so called muslimmonly refugees do not go to rich muslim countries like Dubai saudi arabita and all rich UaEcountries and why these refugees do not go there???

  • Richard Eldritch

    Tell ya what, we’ll all just give away our homes to third world religionists and jump into the sea. That make ya happy?

  • GraveDave

    We pretend that Somalis from one of the most dangerous and lawless countries on the planet become secular democrats once they are in Acton. A

    Funny, in the Times yesterday, in listing the least productive immigrants from countries like India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Jamaica,South Africa etc …no mention of Somalia. Yet I’m sure if it was listed it would be right at the bottom. Even under Pakistan. One thing that does strike me about these people though -‘ethically speaking’, they don’t take any sh i t – certainly not when to comes to social housing.

    • Blindsideflanker

      We transplant failed cultures and societies here, don’t require them to change, and then wonder why their societies failure follow them.

    • Trofim

      In the early 2000’s the Netherlands changed its benefit system to make it more stringent. Everyone in the social services and NHS noticed suddenly an awful lot of Somalians around, who for some reason, had come here from the Netherlands. And among the people I worked with in hostels, women’s refuges etc., Somalians were the most unpopular because they were constantly demanding better accommodation, better this, better that. A truly useless, trash culture. Oh, with the exception of that bloke who possesses the truly useful skill of being able to run fast for long distances.

      • teepee

        I remember that initial influx, which wrong-footed the authorities. Hundreds of single mothers descended on Birmingham seemingly overnight (from Rotterdam, I believe) not, of course, in a discrete migration but as an advance guard for the many who followed. They are generally aggressive, demanding, inconsiderate, lacking the social graces we take for granted, and disliked: one of the grim pleasures of the last few years has been listening to Pakistani taxi drivers spluttering about Somalis ‘coming over here, taking our benefits’ etc.

        • Trofim

          I’m in Brum! Same hymn sheet! I well remember once in my local post-office, where there was a big queue waiting, a Somalian woman picked up several hundred pounds at the counter. The woman serving her counted them out very slowly, deliberately and loudly, as though saying “Oi folks, look at this”.

          • teepee

            I’m about to leave my home town – with much sadness, but I no longer belong here. Things will surely get worse. The Somalis will never integrate or contribute: they can’t even co-exist with fellow porcophobes. The only time they interact with anyone else seems to be when their aversion to queueing causes clashes in the supermarket. And the rate at which they breed is terrifying.

          • Rick Nash

            Rick Nash ·

            University of Toronto

            Please Canada and rest of the world Take in Minority chritsians of Iraq Syria and from Pakistan and Hindus and kashmir pundits who were chased away by majority muslims in cashmirwho are raped ,tortured by Fanatic Muslims in those countries i am sorry Many of us feel ISIS has planned to get its terror group into canada through the refugee balanket.Already we all know allover the western world whats Happening letting in Fanatic muslim refugees who in short time of arival show their true colour.No new specially the young muslims understand the meaning of coexsistance with non muslims fellow human beings For them its all about islam and their fanatic way to live do not care about the country or the rules or are patriotic
            violence against women by the peverted muslims is on the rise pleas Candians lets keep our kids safe from these babarians Sorry no more fanatic Islamic barabarians

            And many of us wonder why these so called muslimmonly refugees do not go to rich muslim countries like Dubai saudi arabita and all rich UaEcountries and why these refugees do not go there???

      • Hagen vanTronje

        “”In the early 2000’s the Netherlands changed its benefit system to make it more stringent. Everyone in the social services and NHS noticed suddenly an awful lot of Somalians around, who for some reason, had come here from the Netherlands.””
        I was living in the Netherlands back then, the Dutch had previously elected a hard left Socialist Government under the leadership of an ex-Trades Unionist chancer called Wim Kok and under the Kok regime they imported millions of useles third worlders, the Dutch could do this because they had massive budget surpluses from the sale of their Gas.
        Somalians announced themselves as Asylum Seekers fleeing from opression and risk of being killed in their own Country but after a while it was noticed they were travelling to and fro to Somalia on holiday.
        The Dutch Newspapers picked up on this and ran front page headlines, the Dutch Government had to act so they issued travel papers to the Somalians and told them to get lost, so most Somalians came over to Britain.
        The Dutch found out that some Somalians were working in quite responsible jobs in Holland but on the basis of forged credentials, something the Somalians excelled in.
        All in all the Dutch people were glad to see the back of all Somalians !

    • Grace Ironwood

      8% employment rate after 5 years – from Immigration Dept report in another Anglophone Country.
      95% on some form of benefit in same timeframe.

  • Peter Stroud

    We certainly failed to control non EU migration for decades: sometimes for leftist political reasons, sometimes because of gross inefficiency. But we can do so: in fact we must do so. EU migration, of course is a different issue, but again numbers entering the UK must be regulated, and if Cameron cannot negotiate a change in EU law, we will have to leave.

    • global city

      But EU immigration is probably one of the least important factors that should determine whether we leave that nasty political project.

  • John Steadman

    Another rational and penetrating piece from Douglas Murray – the focus on Europe and costs/revenue has been a great strategic error of opponents to the open-door policy and neglecting the wider and much more long-term important social, community and identity dimensions has not only failed to represent more emphatically the feelings of large sections of the less-articulate sections of society (so often exploited by the media seeking illustration of ignorant racist sentiment) but also left the agenda on ground much more favourable to the bleeding-heart advocates of the status quo. Only this week a supposed authoritative study purports to have shown the positive legacy of the European influx when tomorrow we are as likely to see one that points in an opposite direction. Either way (as Mr Murray says) it’s all marginal in the great scheme of things – a nations prosperity can change drastically in the space of a year or two, as we have seen – but what becomes in relative terms fixed and immutable is the very texture of a society, it’s very identity; and unless those who demand radical change can summon-up a lot more of the courage that Murray and one or two other prominent commentators have shown, then the case will never be effectively made.

  • Bring Back Free Speech

    A thoughtful and well-argued piece. Thank you Douglas. Rationality trumping the lies and spin of the ‘let’s continue to have no borders, no matter what the consequences’ left. If we are offering asylum, it must be to those who wish to respect our traditional values, indeed share them, such as the persecuted Middle Eastern Christians. We are not obliged to take potential billlions of economic migrants who don’t have the slightest interest in our history, culture and values, but who wish to set up ever- enlarging enclaves in our land, at our expense, both financial and cultural. This is in fact invasion, not immigration.

    • Lydia Robinson

      ‘let’s continue to have no borders, no matter what the consequences’

      as long as they don’t come and live on my patch.

    • Arthur Rusdell-Wilson

      Unfortunately persecuted Middle Eastern Christians, whilst they may share “our” values, do not share the values of the metropolitan political (and third sector) elite. I won’t even mention the quangocracy, who seem not to have suffered the bonfire promised in 2010. All these latter groups are militantly secularist and bitterly anti-Christian.

    • reg rawlinson

      Absolutely correct.this is the real truth,but the dogoodists deny it.
      When is this real truth known to the British public.??”

  • NickyLad2014

    Fantastic piece. I wish everyone could discuss the issue in such a frank manner. The amount of times the debate is framed as black and white is scary.I often see people sharing the latest study that shows ‘highly skilled EU migrants are a net benefit to the country’ on social media. I realise it’s done to show the world just how incredibly liberal and fantastic they are, of course. I find it incredible that they don’t note that there is pretty much nobody in the country against the concept of immigration in its entirety. Presenting the notion that such levels of immigration as we have now will, for just one example, increase housing costs whilst suppressing wages and could be of grave consequence for many parts of our society, has many people thinking you’re a secret member of the EDL.

  • Hippograd

    Finally, wrapped up in all of this, are genuine asylum seekers.

    Genuine asylum seekers seek asylum in the nearest safe country. Since when did the UK have a border with Afghanistan?

    Sadistic Afghan asylum seeker made ex-girlfriend watch him stab her sister and friend to death because she wouldn’t take him back. Ahmad Otak spat on 17-year-old Kimberley Frank’s body after stabbing her to death in front of her sister Elisa Frank, 19, in Wakefield, Yorkshire. He then lured his ex-girlfriend’s friend Samantha Sykes, 18, to Kimberley’s flat where he stabbed the teenager repeatedly before slitting her throat. The 21-year-old had previously threatened to kill Elisa Frank’s friends and members of her family after she left her ‘controlling’ partner, a court heard. Vibrancy in Wakefield

    Or a border with Angola?

    A teenager from Angola who shot one woman dead as she cradled a baby and
    went on to fatally stab another 15 days later was jailed for a minimum of 30 years at the Old Bailey yesterday. Roberto Malasi was the eldest of a gang of armed robbers who burst into a christening party and fired a pistol shot into the air which killed Zainab Kalokoh, 33, a mother of two, instantly. Vibrancy in London

  • mandelson

    Common sense from Douglas as usual. Unfortunately the political class, social services, education unions, the police ‘service’, the health service, BBC, Channel 4, Sky News all completed the ‘long march’ throught the institutions long ago allied with lefty luvvies who have no cultural allegiance to anything or anyone. To point out discomfort with the country becoming a ‘foreign land’ in accelerated real time is to be labelled nasty and bigoted and, if you belong to any of the above, it is career death. Unfortunately I hear Private Frazer muttering “we’re doomed”.

  • Malcolm Stevas

    “We pretend that Somalis from one of the most dangerous and lawless
    countries on the planet become secular democrats once they are in Acton.
    And we like to say that the vast influx of families from the Indian
    subcontinent simply make East London more ‘diverse’.”
    Of course, the point made here by Douglas Murray is that “we” don’t pretend or say this at all.
    The pretence and these things allegedly said come from that “vapid, flaccid, spineless, politically correct and wholly London-centric” Establishment Rod Liddle refers to in his piece about the detachment of London from the rest of England. They never have represented the opinions of most people in England, who were never consulted about the huge demographic damage done to much of urban England by waves of immigrants from far distant lands, encouraged to settle here by a wickedly irresponsible political class.

  • Liberanos

    I’ve often wondered. If a country has no control over its borders, how does it define an invasion?

    • A World of Paine

      Perhaps it is when we wake up and notice that we have had 8 million immigrants turn up in the last 16 years. More than the population of Wales and Scotland combined.

  • Diggery Whiggery

    Immigration + Localism = Lots of little city states of different cultures.

    A multicultural country is a contradiction in terms.

    • global city

      but that’s the point….follow the ideology….the left wing stuff.

  • Greyfox

    There is no doubt that morally we should welcome them all but our lords and masters tell us we have to endure austerity because there is no money. How can they then expect us to watch it spent on prospective millions who have put nothing into the system. The real elephant in the room is population growth worldwide. Mention trying to control this and you are regarded as fascist.

    • global city

      So, unless we kill tens of millions of black and brown people over there we are compelled to accommodate millions of them over here?

      Malthus was an arsehole, as was Marx….trade and open markets will sort out the poverty and the population issues globally….if the corporates and the NGOs allow them to be developed.

      • Greyfox

        I was advocating birth control, not genocide.

  • sebastian2

    Douglas has put his elegant finger on it again. The immigration debate has been too one-sided: the received, multicultural, anti-racist, utopian wisdom being that it’s healthy, diverse, vibrant and progressive. The practical fact being that it has brought very mixed results, and is causing segregation and deepening resentment among an otherwise quite tolerant but bewildered “host” society. Among all this, the candid truth may be lost.
    But there is a candid truth to tell. However, until we are either permitted or brave enough (facing down the howls of abuse from our dedicated howling abusers) to look impartially at this curate’s egg and confess what we find like it or not, we will get nowhere close, and the situation – which is extremely unsatisfactory and not getting better – will fester.
    So it is no longer tolerable to have this highly necessary debate stifled by those who, fearing the possible outcome, condemn the very discussion as “racist”. The whole thing is far too important – to all – for us to be bullied into meek silence and compliance with something only partially opened up.

    • Grace Ironwood

      The time is coming.

      • sebastian2

        I believe you are right. It’s all gone on long enough.

        • Hagen vanTronje

          What will you do ?
          Will you be on the front line ?
          Will you be putting the Leftoids up against the wall like they deserve ?

          • William_Brown

            I hope that we never have to put anyone ‘up against the wall’.

          • Hagen vanTronje

            I hope so too ! but given the way we have been consistently lied to for the past few decades I cannot see the perpetrators getting off scott-free.
            Look at ,”Redwatch”, to find the names of those first in line to be put up against the wall !!

  • poltard

    I wish there was someone in power with as much courage and good sense as Murray.

  • Bonzo

    All true, Douglas. The question is how do we move the discussion from the (slightly) red herring of EU immigration to the real issues you outline?

  • UnionJihack

    The case is clear cut.
    Africans and ‘refugees’ from other nations residing in Calais/France are technically French immigrants. That is another reason why the number one issue on the doorsteps of England is EU immigration.

    • ohforheavensake

      Dear, dear me.

  • Bonkim

    This is a well balanced analysis of the situation. immigration should be about quality and not quantity. Nothing racist about that. There are many fro non-EU parts on earth that have contributed to Britain but many haven’t – I think there was a workable permit/points based system during the Labour days – late 1960s and early 70s – why not reintroduce that. Regards genuine refugees – deport all coming deemed to be economic refugees at the port of arrival and that will give time to deal with the genuine cases.

    One other thing – the earth is getting grossly overpopulated and failed and failing societies will just have to be allowed to disappear – all overseas Aid must be cut off with immediate effect.

    Not all EU immigration is good either there are many in Europe that will not gel with British values and will remain separate if allowed in large numbers.

  • ohforheavensake

    And we know that economic migrants, on balance, pay more in to the country than they take out.

    So your point is?

    • gerontius

      “So your point is?”

      Just for once tell us what yours is.

    • William_Brown

      Depends on whose figures you want to believe and what they are actually including, or discounting, in their calculations…

  • Lydia Robinson

    Genuine asylum seekers seek asylum in the nearest safe country. Once they travel across continents to Calais, they are no longer asylum seekers but chancers looking to make a buck or two.

    • Patricia

      Well said. I want to know why France let them all through her borders in the first place. Was it in the hope that good old Aunty England will wipe up the mess ?

  • Asitis2

    I have a cunning plan ! ..we should all go on a day trip to france and when we get back we can throw away our passports make out we are immigrants……and get loads of free stuff ….magic

  • Ash

    Excellent article by DM as usual. Is there anyone in the Whitehall and EU paying attention? I know it is not politically correct but I will say it : in general, we must stop all immigrants who want to live by a 7th century religious book rather than our evolving 21st century western values/culture.

  • beenzrgud

    Good points. I’ve thought before that immigrants from the 3rd world don’t leave all their cultural baggage at the departure lounge. That’s why we have problems with things like FGM, honour killings, etc. The levels of education and employment for these people is also very poor. They are a very big drain on our country, and I’ve yet to hear a credible argument to the contrary.
    As for unskilled labour from within the EU, we are paying millions to sit on their backsides. If it was up to me then our current unemployed would be forced to take these jobs under some system of regulation, but that’s another debate.

  • Graeme S

    The last paragraph you mention gamble ………… my god this is not a gamble it is a one way ticket to disaster and cultural suicide

    • global city

      or what ever the variation on Russian roulette that has five chambers loaded is called.

  • global city

    Douglas knows enough about politics, political science and political theory to fully know the poison at the heart of so much of the ‘open borders’ argument.

    Perhaps that is best aired in another article?

  • greggf

    Lot’s of people want to talk frankly about immigration Douglas.
    Is it important enough to trouble our elected betters, or just a proxy for EU reform?
    Clever old Dave is banking on some faux controls to benefit tourism, calling it EU reform and winning a Yes in his referendum…….

  • Ahobz

    Tele must have an early night

    • William_Brown

      …he’s studying ‘Gulag for Idiots’.

  • Roy

    Good article. I say stop the lot of them. They have no right, they are not needed, they hate us, and they themselves are not thankful of the opportunity.

  • Thorsted

    The whole asylum idea is outdated as is the UN by failed-states and population explosion in the 3.rd world -that is why asylum-seekers always becomes settlers.

  • Swanky

    Immigration is ENTIRELY a matter of political will. It is not climate, it is not a hurricane (I’ve coped with two major ones in Texas, to say nothing of countless tropical storms and deadly floods in my years in the South); it is not warfare, it is not depression, it is entirely man-made. When my late father-in-law, who lived in England as an American academic studying English dialects in the 60s was told: ‘England is a non-immigrating country’, he was disappointed but he accepted it. What happened? The Left, that’s what happened.

    The Left never liked Britain as it was. H=ll, it never liked anything in the Enlightnenment West as it was. The Left is the ruiner of all things (look at British buildings and demolitions after the war — never mind what the Germans did!). The Left gnaws at the hand that feeds it — indeed, it gnaws at its own hand. It is the ultimate pathology. It killed, maimed, and ruined hundreds of millions of people in the 20th century. (Read The Black Book of Communism, to be going on with.) And yet, it never feels it has to apologize. And yet, we still have the Labour party (have a look at its anthem, it’s disgusting — and don’t be put off by contemporary whitewashing), and we still have the fatcat Miliband wanting all the rest of us to be poor.

    The English need to smarten up if they don’t want to be the world’s historical doormat.

  • Swanky

    ‘Diverse’ is the Left’s way of saying: ‘see how we sliced and diced you. See how we buried your native culture’. It’s war on one’s own country. I like variety as much as the next person, and I’ve eaten cuisine from Elvis to Ethiopia. But that’s not the point. The point is that I want to preserve FREEDOM.

    • you_kid

      … never ever should we have given wimmin a vote. This lefty suffrage thing was morally wrong – look what they *all* come out with.

      • Swanky

        It would be a better situation if most women married and stayed married. But when they are single, they want the state to function as the man in their life, at least when it comes to providing.

        • Bonkim

          well said but it is an equal world. no provider and the provided. You don’t marry to a bread-ticket.

          • Swanky

            You sure about that, Bonkim?

          • Bonkim

            You would know better – yes there are many attracted to fulfil their base interests – may be I am always looking for the ideal and hence disappointed. I am the ultimate sceptic and will not chase someone that is not open and truthful.

        • William_Brown

          You assume that the default position of women is to find a ‘provider’. That’s sent the feminist cause back a few decades!

      • Swanky

        Anyway, don’t blame me: I vote Republican.

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    Too small for a country, too big for a lunatic asylum.

  • evad666

    Who do we let in? It’s time to choose.

    If my neighbor falls on hard times I may assist him.

    If my neighbor then looses his home I am expected to offer a few days sanctuary.

    If my neighbor moves his family into my house eating my food and displacing my family, I am expected to welcome him and pay for the pleasures of his family while my family are pushed out into poverty.

    The time is long past when we had a right to chose.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-29718618

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/tax/11201270/Mad-how-a-diagnosis-of-dementia-could-lead-to-higher-death-taxes.html

    Soon there will be talk of extermination for those over 80, than those over 70 , then those over 60 just think how much money the pension companies will be sat on and the savings for Government.

  • A World of Paine

    The only reason we need to keep building new houses is because over 8
    million immigrants have come into the country since Blair came to power.
    There are going to be another 500,000 or more every year in the future.

    UKIP is the only party that wants to control immigration.

    UKIP is the only party that will give local residents the chance to vote
    on large housing schemes in their area, rather than be dictated to by
    Westminster. All of the other parties will allow building on Greenbelt
    land, ANOBs and other ‘protected’ land if you let them.

  • jesseventura2

    Referendum on returning muslim immigrants to countries of origin UKIP?

  • HY

    BINGO!
    At last, somebody “gets it.” However, with an ageing population we need more taxpayers not benefit claimants.

  • Michael H Kenyon

    This has long needed to be said. The muddling of just who the immigrants are and what they contribute is a disgrace. There are hard workers and there are money pits. I welcome hard workers – they set an example to the welfare-junkies born here.

    • Ambientereal

      Hard workers yes but also with capabilities to be integrated in our society. For instance there are regions like south america where a big portion of the population is of European origin and Christian beliefs and will be able to adapt themselves to our way of life much better than arabs or africans.

  • DaHitman

    “To make asylum work”

    Douglas how many safe countries do they need to go through before people like you call them economic migrants or more precisely parasites?

    • Mike

      Just one country, thats all !

  • JohnCrichton89

    The ‘genuine’ asylum seekers get off the plane in the UK ready to start a new life, free from the horrific barbarity of their home countries, only to be ushered into communities and holding pens made up of the very same people/cultural norms they were trying to escape………. irony is a fun word..
    The inferred point that falls flat for me is, the working class environment to which these new comers are subjected is somehow the catalyst for their piousness and religious violence. Perhaps if we just provided them with enough access to education and financial stability things wouldn’t be so bad………….we have tried that. Now we have privately educated and financially well off terrorists. Every other week a privately schooled person, soon to be doctor, runs off to join ISIS. I would suspect that per capita it equates to around the same percentage, if not greater, leaving from working class backgrounds.
    The problem is their religion, there is no amount of money or education that will change Islam. Holding the community that creates these murders socially responsible will, we let wash their hands of it for too long. They teach their children that a mass murdering, polygamist paedophile is the greatest man who ever lived and collectively turn away from any responsibility when something terrible happens. Forever being portrayed as victims whenever one of their own starts murdering non-Muslims in the name of their religion.
    Either Islam calls for violence, which I would argue it does, or it’s far to easily misinterpreted to seem that way. Either way, the fix is the same. Islam has to be changed and Muslims have to do it.

  • somewhereinthesouth

    This article is one of the first I’ve read which nails the issues. Immigration is not just about jobs taken and the taxes reaped by the treasury from immigrants . There are also big environmental and social / cultural issues which also need to be discussed and considered . In the 60’s many of the problems we now experience weren’t foreseen [ although some were but were also dismissed at the time]. Therefore it is not always possible to predict the full range of socio economic or indeed cultural impacts might result from different types of immigrants [ or indeed volumes] since we can’t know for example how the job market , political or economic situation might change [ for good or ill ] in the future – so some caution therefore should be applied especially to allowing in immigrants who may not naturally share [ or even be hostile to] British culture due to their religious values or ingrained value system. [ The former tend to be far more rigid and persistent]. In any event we can’t go on absorbing the numbers we are currently experiencing – from whatever source.

    • Sean L

      No *you’ve* nailed it. Excellent summary.

  • bondi1000

    Good article. But doesn’t France have a much lower net migration because as well as immigrants it has a lot of (native) emigrants. A high net migration (such as Britain’s) is far healthier, because it probbaly means the influx isn’t being balanced by an exodus of indigenous Britons. A balanced influx/exodus (ie nil net migration) sounds good but in reality is a bit of a disaster.

  • Hagen vanTronje

    “”In the years after 1681 Britain took in roughly 50,000 Huguenots — an extraordinary occurrence.””
    Let’s never forget these Hugenots were Terrorists when they were living in France, they were Not the innocents they pretend to be !

  • AverageGuyInTheStreet

    There are 650 people per square mile in the UK – its time to start deporting, not importing more.

    • Trofim

      That’s skewed by including Scotland which is very sparsely populated. England has around 1065 per sq mile.

  • MrJones

    “But our politicians do not know what to do about it. ”

    One of the major pull factors is illegal working, either people here illegally (or claiming asylum) or people here legally but working in conditions which are illegal.

    A lot of inner city social problems stem from this process that started a long time ago of importing hundreds of thousands of young men to live four to a room doing all the unskilled work for a pound an hour cash in hand. For example the consequences of dumping the native population who used to do those jobs on the dole (the illegal workers came first, the rotting on the dole came second) or the housing shortage caused by these employers buying up dozens of houses to house their illegal workers or the increased demand for cheap prostitution which led to thousands of young girls being forced into it.

    It would be very easy to stop this by making the punishment on employers importing illegal workers draconian e.g forfeiture of property as proceeds of crime. You’d only need to do it a few times to get the effect.

  • Don MacLeod

    Japan only accepted 6 asylum seekers in 2013. Sounds like they have the best system and one that we should adopt.

    • Ambientereal

      Actually the far east has been quite good at preserving his cultures. In the era of slave market (about 1800) it was required that african slaves be sterilized before being sold . I´m of course not in favor of such techniques, but it shows clearly their way of thinking relative to foreigners.

  • Hagen vanTronje

    In reality almost nobody is opposed to letting in highly skilled workers, especially from first-world countries. They benefit us and cause little to no societal trouble.””
    That’s assuming that there is No British Person available to do the job !
    The USA demands that jobs be advertized amongst the locals before a Foreigner is employed, we must start doing the same.

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  • Gareth Mailer

    One answer is to be honest. The Canadian and Australian ‘points-based systems’ we often hear about these days is just cover-speak for ‘who we want to let in’.

    You say that like it’s a bad thing? It’s up to a host country who it lets, or doesn’t let, into its territory. The choice of language from progressive types, and MSM journalists with left-leaning tendencies, is way off.

    In Sweden, the entire debate has been transformed from assimilation to integration. The onus is on the majority population to find a way to integrate with the minority. The majority is constitutionally obliged to abide by a policy on multiculturalism (http://www.stockholmnews.com/more.aspx?NID=6283) and prioritise the minority, and their culture. They prioritise diversity over solidarity.

    It’s all one step closer to global welfare, open borders and the denouncement of national identity.

    Don’t for one second think we won’t go in this direction. We are already headed in this direction. We see it with every debate they close down with false and malicious accusations of racism, every skewed and biased report they put forward and every fact they omit.

    Sweden is dead. Irreversibly dead. There were mass riots in Stockholm in 2013, masses and masses of the immigrant population are unemployed and there are absolutely no jobs for them. In areas like Malmo, 9 out of 10 people have an immigrant background. Sweden went from being virtually crime free to being the rape capital of Europe (largely due to their expanded definition on what constitutes rape, but not entirely).

    The problems are endless. The Sweden Democrats (Sweden’s UKIP) are coming to the fore, that they are even there (and now Sweden’s third party) is a massive indication on how severe the problem is, considering Sweden’s history of social policies and left-wing Governance.

    Most studies show the real-term economic benefits of such immigration to be negligible.

    Correct. But only disingenuous studies, like the one released by CReAM last week, are publicised all over The BB(O)C (Bias By Omission Corporation). It was nothing more than an exercise in confirmation bias from a man who, in 2003, created a paper for The Home Office stating EU enlargement would only result in an additional 5,000 – 13,000 immigrants per year.

    Experts discuss immigration solely as a fiscal issue. But it isn’t. It is also a societal one and a moral one.

    No. It’s primarily a social and moral one. People have an emotional attachment to the nation-state, no amount of self-loathing on the part of left-wing liberals, despite all of their treasonous behaviours, is going to change that.

    In the years after 1681 Britain took in roughly 50,000 Huguenots — an extraordinary occurrence. But that is equal to a normal six weeks of immigration in 21st-century Britain.

    Actually, and I wrote this in my comment a few days ago, between 1066 and the mid 1950’s, much like most European states, there was barely a trace of immigration (in relative terms).

    Even in the mid 90’s immigration was in the low tens of thousands. But we all know who changed that and courtesy of Andrew Neather, we all know why they changed it.

  • global city

    This mantra that the UK must have open borders or the economy will collapse is just plain propaganda (and MSM commentariat lack of actual analytical intelligence), as is the notion that to have free movement of capital and goods must also include free movement of people.

    As the EU is going backward economically how can these myths persist?

  • AJAX

    No more immigration for settlement from 2nd & 3rd World nations unless you want ethnic civil war in England.

  • George Orwell

    Could Peter Sutherland be responsible or influential in promoting unregulated immigration?

    on the BBC this Peter Sutherland was spouting his great concern for people on boats from Lybia and how they should be welcomed to Europe…after some Googling I
    find this man has some serious form…..he says…

    “Last year, during the Arab revolutions, the EU missed a historic
    opportunity to begin weaving together the two sides of the
    Mediterranean.” Sutherland is also quoted as arguing that opposition to
    greater globalisation is “morally indefensible”

  • Blindsideflanker

    No crowing articles about Romanian and Bulgarian immigration? Now I wonder why?

    Could it be the BBC and rest of the MSM have a lot of egg on their faces.

    “Data from the Office for National Statistics showed there were 189,000 from the two eastern European countries ‘by birth’ working here by the end of September, up 31,000 on the previous quarter.

    It represented a 49,000 year-on-year increase, or just under 35 per cent”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11225190/Romania-and-Bulgaria-migrants-reach-record-high.html

  • TokyoChemist

    I came from central Tokyo to Manchester with a degree in a certain geeky branch of chemistry in 2000. After the initial shock and horror of, well, Manchester, I quickly got used to it and decided to stay on. Since then I’ve gained two more degrees i.e. a Master’s and a PhD, followed by quite a bit of work experience in various R&D positions. Then a wife from Poland came along. She happens to have two degrees in Civil Engineering from Poland and the Netherlands and another degree in architecture from a decent English university. Prior to moving to England she was working in a Dutch firm as a structural engineer. Basically, we both can live without any government handouts. Now we also have a baby boy with three different passports. That perhaps means that we don’t quite belong to the dark side of the story.

    So, why did we move from a slum in Manchester to another slum in Liverpool?

    Well. It’s because we’ve seen the dark side and didn’t quite like the so-called cultural enrichment that those wealthy champaign communist b######s from the South promote day and night on the BBC, and the final push was a muslim man who skipped the long queue at the local bank and told my angry wife (obviously a woman, the lesser being) to mind her place. A week after that I scraped every penny off my bank account, bought outright a run down house in Liverpool, did bare minimum repairs to it and we just buggered off.

    I spent over a decade in one of the worst parts of Manchester to save up money, so I basically saw the gutter of the world filling up every qubic inch around me. Before moving to England I never expected to use my “bokutou” (wooden practice sword) to fight off knife-wielding third-world thugs trying to nick everything in the rear yard from my motorbikes to abandoned bricks.

    Now, the question to which I’ve never found an answer is, why would any nation in the right mind wish to inflict such a disaster upon themselves, especially when you have plenty of those ultra-friendly working-class people now out-of-work in our neighbourhood in Liverpool?

  • Shoe On Head

    setting a precendence to focus on peoples differences can never be sustainable in the long run.

    if douglas had travelled more he’d realise people are people.

  • Simon Morgan

    Interesting that Australia’s point based system is so often lauded. I am a subject of that very system, something which, coming from the UK, I found a little irksome!!
    Labor under Kevin Rudd did away with the Howard governments Pacific Solution, which prevented illegal immigrants coming to Australia in boats.
    The idea was to have a more ‘humane’ humanitarian position, and the idea that Australia would be deluged by illegal immigrants come asylum-seekers was scoffed at.
    50,000 ‘asylum-seekers’ later, and an estimated 1200 deaths at sea, and, thank God, Labor was kicked into touch. In large part this was due to the asylum-seeker policy, which had meant anyone could get on a boat to Australia and claim asylum.
    The Greens at one stage suggested we should provide safe passage for these boat people from Indonesia, presumably by commandeering the various cruise ships visiting Sydney harbour!!
    In the international media there was widespread condemnation of Howard and the Pacific Solution. His refusal to allow the Tampa, which had been pirated by asylum-seekers, to dock in Australia also caused widespread condemnation.
    But he was dead right.

  • la catholic state

    Islamic immigration and asylum to the West should be halted. It is a danger to the lives of indigenous Brits who have no place else to go, while there are many Islamic countries that Muslims can go to if they wish.
    Indigenous Brits have rights too you know!

  • DiggerLeveller

    Since the British themselves emigrated on a far bigger scale than any Third World country today, taking over all of North America and Australasia, and ruthlessly exploiting many other lands for centuries, the immigrants today to the UK seem harmless by comparison.

  • sg

    EU is too damn liberal in their immigration laws and too scared to be labelled anti muslim. They will over look the larger problem to appease the community who have grown un controllably in the last 25 years and have failed to accept their new home culture too is a way of life for many. The immigrants left for a better life and got one but then want everyone to accept their views as they now are not being hounded, a house over their heads, food on their plate and a govt which is democratic. They hate the system that gave them everything

  • Snowmuncher

    Excellent article, asking important questions that still, even today, lead to people being accused of being racist by the vocal minority of left wing activists.

    One aspect not discussed was the gradual widening of the definition of asylum. The Supreme court ruled (in 2010) that 2 gay men from Cameroon & Iran could remain in the UK after initially being rejected on the grounds that they could conceal
    their sexuality in their own countries by acting discreetly.

    There are 2.7 billion people living in countries where homosexuality is punishable by prison or death http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-25927595. Any person who is LGBT from these countries can legitimately claim asylum in the UK or the EU. Let’s say 10%, that’s 270 million people.

    But more worrying, there was another ruling in 2014 by the European Court of Justice making it a breach of human rights to question asylum seekers about their sexuality. Effectively, anyone can claim they are gay, and they cannot be questioned, or tested.

    The issue is that information, even in the poorest countries in the world, is becoming available via the internet (the ownership of ever more powerful mobile phones is becoming widespread even among the poor), and this internet sourced knowledge is empowering millions of people, and growing, to seek a better life in the EU and especially the UK.

    The media, especially the BBC, is constantly telling us that UK asylum seekers are a fraction of those received by Germany, 7330 vs 73000 1Q2015, but asylum claimants is not the same as immigration, and the stats per Eurostat May 2015, show that UK non-EU immigration is almost the same as Germany’s (252,000 vs 248,000 per annum) but if you take into account population density, or population, or area of the country, the UK immigration levels are far higher. That might change in 2015, given the number of asylum seekers that Germany is taking in, but the narrative that most of the news media (BBC alone has 60% market share of all UK news consumption according to published figures, highlighted by former C5 CEO David Elstein in a letter to the Times) is dishonest and deceitful.

    Even radio stations like LBC, that used to be right of centre, have been slowly filled with left of centre presenters such as James O’Brien, Shelagh Fogarty (replaced the excellent & right of centre Julia Hartley Brewer), Ken Livingstone, Stig Abel (despite managing editor for the Sun), Beverley Turner. There is still Nick Ferrari &David Mellor but the shift left is gradual and continuing. Iain Dale is so ultra wet he could easily be LibDem or Labour, but maybe too scared to express his more right of centre opinions.

  • Rick Nash

    Rick Nash ·

    University of Toronto

    Please Canada Take in Minority chritsians of Iraq Syria and from Pakistan and Hindus and kashmir pundits who were chased away by majority muslims in cashmirwho are raped ,tortured by Fanatic Muslims in those countries i am sorry Many of us feel ISIS has planned to get its terror group into canada through the refugee balanket.Already we all know allover the western world whats Happening letting in Fanatic muslim refugees who in short time of arival show their true colour.No new specially the young muslims understand the meaning of coexsistance with non muslims fellow human beings For them its all about islam and their fanatic way to live do not care about the country or the rules or are patriotic
    violence against women by the peverted muslims is on the rise pleas Candians lets keep our kids safe from these babarians Sorry no more fanatic Islamic barabarians

    And many of us wonder why these so called muslimmonly refugees do not go to rich muslim countries like Dubai saudi arabita and all rich UaEcountries and why these refugees do not go there???

  • jenniferanistonsknickers

    We have enjoyed years of mass immigration, it has been a joy to watch London go from being the Capital city of the English people to being indistinguishable from Islamabad international airport in demographic make up.
    We truly are lucky lucky people.

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