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The nun who took down an Isis flag – and stands up for east London's Muslims

30 August 2014

9:00 AM

30 August 2014

9:00 AM

Not so long ago disaffected youngsters would take to a life of crime and hard drugs, a trajectory which would often kill them. These days, some young men from our Muslim community sign up instead to the so-called Islamic State, and the dream of a distant Caliphate.

Why? Well, forget theology or even the prestige which comes from being a warrior — if Sister Christine Frost is right, it all comes down to housing.

Sister Christine has worked on the Will Crooks Estate in Poplar, east London, for over 40 years. She accidentally got into the news in early August when she removed the black flag of radical Islam which was flying over the entry to the estate, and the press were fascinated that a small, lone woman aged 77, would take such a risk. But if they believed Sister Christine to be a crusader against Islamism, then they got it all wrong. Sister Christine is a committed Christian of course, but if she is fighting on behalf of anyone, it is the disenfranchised, ghetto-ised Muslim youth she finds herself living alongside.

I met Sister Christine in the St Matthias Community Centre, where Christians once worshipped when the building was a church. Built in 1654 by the East India Company, it’s the oldest building in Docklands. In the nave, large, lumpy white folk were preparing for a wedding reception, though the area is now largely Bangladeshi.

Poplar is in the borough of Tower Hamlets, where the Palestinian flag flies over the town hall and there is the highest percentage of Muslims in England. Sister Christine’s patch also has the lowest proportion of Christians and there have been reports of Muslim patrols in the area threatening locals seen drinking, wearing short skirts, or looking overtly gay.

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Will Crooks Estate Photo: PA Images

In recent weeks the tensions between ‘them’ and ‘us’ have got markedly worse, as it’s come out that at least 20 young Britons a month are heading to Syria and Iraq to join terrorist groups. Ibn Hamdan al Bengali, 24, has stated on Facebook that he is a former student at Tower Hamlets College, just up the road from the St Matthias Centre.

But though Sister Christine deplores the jihadis, she also thinks we must address the real reasons it seems attractive to young Muslim men, which is that they feel victimised. ‘It used to be mainly Pakistani youths who were radicalised,’ she says, ‘but now the Bengali youth are getting involved too. They feel themselves targeted and they become angry.’ Sister Christine’s point is that a feeling of persecution makes a young man ripe for radicalisation. The persecution complex began, she says, when Tony Blair led the UK into war in Iraq, but now it’s mainly linked with Israeli attacks on Gaza. ‘There is a sense of victimhood, and they have a narrow vision,’ she says.


Their anger is also fed by the deprivation in which they live. ‘Housing is the worst problem here,’ she says. ‘The lack of provision amounts to a kind of social cleansing.’ The mostly Muslim poor she cares for are being pushed out in favour of the new gentry in nearby Canary Wharf. The cost of one of the early Victorian terraced houses near the Matthias centre is over £2 million.

‘There is a huge housing estate being developed,’ she says, ‘1,500 new homes, but they are all beyond the means of people around here and rents are going up too. People can look across and see homes where people have millions to spend, while they can’t afford basic heating.

‘I’ve seen four families sharing one flat, a family in every room. That causes tension — nowhere for children to do their homework, nowhere to relax, no privacy. Then there are no jobs or apprenticeships when they leave school. I see Bengali mothers, some with little English, struggling with all that. They should be canonised.’

Sister Christine is particularly angry with the Prime Minister, whom she sees as representing the gentry. ‘David Cameron does not have a clue about housing here,’ she says. ‘He’s never spent even a day with the sort of people who live in Poplar. I challenge him to come and live in one of our council blocks for a week, with just £35 in his pocket. See how he survives.’

‘I’m driven by a sense of injustice,’ she says, ‘particularly when I see the powerlessness of people here.’

She has been given MBE for her work on the estate. In the past she’s represented locals against the council when they tried to introduce bizarre health and safety laws banning doormats and washing lines, but she’s not an apologist for Islamism. She once took down Islamist notices criticising Christmas, and though she lives alone, there are five other sisters in the order who live together close by. They are also committed to loving all peoples. The other sisters are older, and she indicated that they don’t share her direct involvement with the crisis currently affecting young Muslims, but all their work comes under the term ‘befriending’. They run old people’s clubs and get the young people to take the elderly out on day trips. At Christmas she makes sure people have cooked dinners delivered to them.

‘Many older white working-class people are isolated,’ she says, ‘especially the proud, independent Cockneys who are still here.’

Sister Christine has an immigrant edginess herself, coming from Limerick, Ireland. She left her convent school aged 17 and won a place at Guy’s Hospital in London to study physiotherapy. Instead she joined a religious order.

‘My parents wanted me to do the medical course,’ she says, ‘but I had a personal conviction.’ This ‘conviction’ has, she says, only grown stronger over the years. She believes that the world is getting less caring, and she is fighting to change that course.

‘We have to find a way of getting people to change,’ she says. ‘I want the wealthy people who have millions and live in Canary Wharf to come over here and help the young people, get them into training. Make that an attractive alternative for them.’

She really believes that with a little encouragement the rich and pampered will come out of their apartments to take an interest in their deprived neighbours. That with care and attention she can persuade young Muslims to reject jihad and embrace life in Britain.

‘We must find a way of bringing people together,’ she says. ‘We must create cohesion, or we will have a Bosnia/Serbia situation here.’

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  • Zimbalist

    Good to see someone who, unlike the politicians and virtually everyone else in the establishment, IS NOT AFRAID TO TELL THE TRUTH.

    That’s what this foul Cultural Marxist ideology, political correctness, is – it’s a failure to admit and to tell the truth. If the truth bumps up against the ideology, the ideology wins – hence the hush up over the groomers etc. It’s based on LIES, and we all know who the father of lies is…..

    • Calluna

      You’ve got me there — who is the father of lies?

      • Michael Smith

        John 8:44

  • uberwest

    No, better housing for these hostiles (in London of all places, where property is unaffordable even for white professionals) will not solve the problem. This is a common cry of the self serving muslim community: ‘give us more and we’ll be behave’. Several of the terrorist attacks on this country (successful or not) by muslims have been committed by professionals or para-professionals. They also enjoy the lowest property prices in the country, as they tend to drag property prices down when they move into an area. So if they have a job and a mortgage, they are likely to have a higher than average disposable income.

    • grahamzircon

      Presently the problem is, these immigrants and asylum seekers do not want to live in or seek asylum in the UK they want to live in London. end of story.

      • Gwangi

        Yes and they travel through many EU countries to get here. But our traitor governments persist in sending a great big advert to the world encouraging these people to come here – we worship diversity and multiculturalism you see and celebrate each new swarthy arrival, give them a passport, free housing and healthcare and education and benefits. The British people are SICK AND TIRED of it!

        • John Smith

          The people who are advising migrants to come here are those who go on internet blogs and tell the world how easy it is to get benefits here.

          • Ged Byrne

            Good point. The right wing nutjobs who spout their crap makes it seem more appealing! Ha!

            Such irony!

      • Bingo

        Hit the nail on the head! Imagine the uproar if these unfortunates were transplanted to their own houses on the empty council estates in the north east. Human rights lawyers would be rubbing their hands together!

      • Ged Byrne

        MASSIVE presumption there and a massive conflation as well.

        This is about poverty in areas of London, not about immigrants and asylum seekers.

        Methinks your brain is jumping to its own conclusions and adding words and ideas that are not written here..

        Dementia creeping in Graham?

        • wayne

          methinks you don’t actually have a brain.. see a doctor

          • Ged Byrne

            ?? and that’s valid how?

    • Ged Byrne

      Except this is not the ‘self serving (M)uslim community’ speaking here.. it’s a white Christian nun being quoted by a white Catholic (presumed) journalist… so your rant missed the point, if there was one, and failed entirely.

      • uberwest

        Yes, I was aware that the nun was pleading on behalf of the muslim community. However, 158 people got the point, if the occasional liberal half wit misses it, I can live with that.

        • Ged Byrne

          I take the word ‘liberal’ as a compliment, unlike someone who quotes factoids as if they are facts. Nasty, derogatory comments like yours belong in history. Go talk to the barren lands, they could use the manure.

          • uberwest

            You think it’s a compliment to be called a wretched, one-eyed, quisling, hypocrite, moral coward and traitor? What a contemptible character you must really be.

          • Ged Byrne

            Yes, uberwest, now read what I ‘actually’ wrote.

            Thick as well as abhorrently narrow minded!

          • uberwest

            I read it again, and I do feel that I short changed you somewhat. I should have added ‘tedious’ and ‘irritating’. Please accept my humble apologies.

  • Laguna Beach Fogey

    Rubbish. When did The Speccie become so wet?! Absolutely incredible.

    Leave it to an ‘edgy’ Irish immigrant Catholic to advocate for more Muslim colonisation of Britain.

    Bosnia/Serbia, you say?

    Bring it on, sister.

    • Niggademus

      You looking for blood ?

      • arteus1946

        Its going to happen -its not just the volcano in Iceland which is fit to explode !!!!!!!!

        • Harry Pond

          The tinder is getting extremely dry.

      • Laguna Beach Fogey

        Yes, I am.

        Eye for an eye, etc.

    • post_x_it

      Careful what you wish for. We don’t have a Milosevic willing to fight our corner in the face of condemnation from the “international community”. Our entire state apparatus, all our institutions, even our armed forces, are geared towards nothing but pathetic, pitiful surrender. We are toast.

      • Ged Byrne

        You are an insult to this nation and to the people within it, and most especially to ‘our’ armed forces.

        • post_x_it

          Our armed forces are currently being cut back to within an inch of existence. We will not have the resources to defend our nation if anyone decides to wage a major war on us. That is a fact of life, sad but true. We are a sitting duck. We are toast.
          Oh, you mean we now have a bloody huge, shiny new aircraft carrier? One of the hugest ever? Without any planes on it at all? All is well, then.

    • Ged Byrne

      There are no indigenous people left, LONG ago.. they were wiped out or assimilated by about 5,000 years of immigrants and continuing.. it only made US stronger and will do so again!

      • John Smith

        The earliest migrants to Britain were Spanish Celts, the so called indigenous people of this country are about 80% celtic.

    • Livia

      Squaring up to an elderly nun. Brave man.

  • Advocatus_Diaboli_69

    Oh for goodness sake, what absolute bilge! British born Pakistani men feel victimised because of Gaza? What tripe is this?

    One of the jihadis comes from a million pound house in Maida Vale. The Portsmouth jihadis were gainfully employed etc. There are many more examples that disprove the idea that it’s about deprivation.

    Brave of Sister Frost to take down the flag but she’s fallen for the ‘poor me’ line like so many others. ‘It’s ‘cos I’ve got issues that I go abroad to behead people, innit’

    • Dr. Heath

      I’ve long wondered why it is that, being aware of a history of hundreds of years of one’s ancestors being tortured, murdered, worked to death as slaves, robbed of the company of wives, husbands and children, that, say, the descendants of people captured in West Africa and transported as chattel to the New World do not very often indulge in the same sort of homicidal Victim Rage that we see in those British-born Pakistani men you mention. Any ideas?

      • Niggademus

        They do. Look at the black on white crime statistics in America.

        • tony_tookie

          Or you could look on the black on black crime statistics in America, it’s bordering on self hatred. and by far out weighing the statistics of black on white crime in America.

          • Gwangi

            And similarly, most Muslims who are killed in the world are killed by other Muslims. 9 of 10 of ISIS victims are Muslim. And yet the THICK AS CURRY Muslims in holes like Hackney, Newham and Tower Hamlets blame the Jews for all Muslims deaths.
            I am sick and tired of a blind eye being shown towards these Islamofascists. Go to ANY inner city college lik Newham and others and you’ll find hundreds of Islamic terrorists and extremists – yet no-one does a thing to stop this. Why? Because these fascist have a brown skin and a religion, so the white pc hypocrites who run these places are happy to be negligent and to allow Islamofascism to thrive in our cities, colleges, schools, universities, town halls etc.
            Having said that, a nice big Islamo-dirty-bomb in London would do wonders for property prices – in putting them down to sane levels that is (though that is NOT a recommendation of violence, plod moron spies…)

          • Rafael Dias da Silva

            Muslisms enslaved white europeans centuries before any european colonizer set foot in Africa to buy slaves (guess who captured them to sell as slaves? Yes, other africans). This is absolutely outrageous: they feel their lives are bed so put the blame on jews and go abroad to behead people? And people think this can be justified? What’s wrong with that? And, if life’s not so good in England, why did they go there in the first place? This is so wrong at so many levels.

          • FrancisKing

            White europeans enslaved other white europeans, long before Islam. 1 Peter 2:18.

          • Rafael Dias da Silva

            Which is not relevant in this discussion about “who is victim of whom?”. All this chat about whites being held responsible for others failures is utterly absurd. The etymology of the word “slave” says that it comes from the slavic peoples: you don’t see many slavs complaining about slavery nowadays, do you?

          • rockylives

            Pretty much every empire throughout history indulged in slaving.

            Only one empire came up with the idea of abolishing it and followed through on the idea: the British Empire.

            Oh, but wait a minute, we’re supposed to hate the British Empire…

          • dms0001

            So that’s your logic is it? Someone else did it, so it’s OK to do it? No doubt you’re a progressive liberal in favour of the EU dictatorship.

          • dms0001

            estimated that over a million whites were slaves in Moslim nations. Barbary pirates would attack villages along the coast, seizing every one they could. Stripping entire fishing villages of populations. White slaves were highly prized and expensive. of course you will not hear that from the so called free western media. it’s all well documented. We should be demanding reparations from the Arabs, north Africans, and many more.

          • Ged Byrne

            Fascists of any creed or kind of colour are bigots and bastards. I detest them all, from Likud to BNP to ISIS and ISIL and beyond…

          • uberwest

            Sure you do. And naturally you spend exactly as much time trolling on Jihadi forums as you do here, right? Because if you didn’t, that would make you a one-eyed moral coward and a hypocrite, wouldn’t it?

          • shambobble

            Maybe it’s more fun to troll here cause the whataboutery, victimhood, and righteous outrage on this forum are particularly pungent. Don’t worry lads, it’s White History month again.

          • Ged Byrne

            It’s White History month every month..

          • Ged Byrne

            No, Uberwest, I don’t troll at all. I respond wherever and whenever I see or hear such bollocks! I do when i see wankers coming to the UK and spouting off their hatred of UK ways and so on and I suggest to them to fuck off home if they don’t like it here.

            I respond when I see people placing all Jews into one fat category when they rant on about that criminal, Zionist enterprise known as Israel, and put those bigots in their place.

            I criticise anyone at any time who starts telling me, or anyone within my sphere, “they” or “them” and making sweeping generalisations of any manner. I don’t like it when people tell me: “Blacks are good dancers cos they all got rhythm”. It’s bullshit and prejudicial and I detest it for it’s nil-mindedness.

            I challenged a black American woman who told me that “Mexicans are lazy and they smell bad.” I asked her: “Did you meet them all? All 120+ million of them?” She grimaced, and I told her that her words were as crass as saying that ‘all stones are round’, to which she replied: “Well, they are!”

            I rest my case.

            Bigotry knows no boundaries and is as stupid and mindless wherever you can find it.

          • dms0001

            By definition, you’ll then be a communist or socialist. can’t get a fag paper between them really. Well, i detest both of them, along with any variants. as for the BNP, at least they’re for their own people, unlike all the other so called political partys.

          • Ged Byrne

            dms0001 – you freely admit to being a prejudiced bigot. Nice of you to do so. 🙂

            I agree with you quite a few of your posts, but on this you have shown your colours truly.

        • tjmac7

          difficult when largely unreported.

      • Advocatus_Diaboli_69

        I guess they’re quite happy to be living in the New World despite what their ancestors went through. For many it’s preferable to be in, for example, the Democratic Republic of Congo.

        However, the CARICOM organisation is seeking reparations from the Europeans for the slave trade. No sign of them banging on the door of the descendants Africans who grew rich on it, an no similar pleas being made by any slave descendants to the Arabs for their slave trade that went on for a long while.

        • dms0001

          You forgot to add the heavily over represented Jewish ownership of the slave ships, auction houses, markets, financing, etc. It’s well documented, but, kept from the main stream. They to should be asked for reparations. Perhaps they could part with some of that reparations cash they get from Germany. As for us, why are we expected to pay for the abuses of a few with power to do as they pleased. we weren’t around at that time, as weren’t the current people, who’re demanding dosh from the lowly British working class taxes.

      • Calluna

        Religious ideology?

      • Gwangi

        Most blacks in the UK now are direct from Africa and no doubt some of their families got rich selling captured enemies into slavery. Descendants of slaves from the West Indies are a minority of UK blacks now. This is thanks to the 250,000+ immigrants allowed in during the 1990s and after. And still they come…

        And anyway, of the now 16% ethnic minority population in the UK, only 4% of that is blacks. Half is south Asian. We are not the USA here – though race industry pity party merchants try to make it so, like freedom fighter Lenny Henry who bizarrely says he can see no black and ethnic faces on UK TV…

        • John Smith

          Why is the colour of a man’s skin important, what about the colour of his eyes and his hair, do they matter as well?

        • Ged Byrne

          Not sure where you get your stats from Gwangi? Some bloke down the pub perhaps? Even the mental Sun ‘News’paper (sic) only quotes the figure as 14%. Home office stats show it as being more like 9.1% non-white minorities, and the rest is guesswork.

          Having worked in one of the whitest parts of the whole UK (with only 1.9% non-white British) in the field of BME studies, I have a grasp of some of the issues… unlike some of those here with their heads up their arses.

          Unless we engage and at least try to understand issues, openly, we get no-where.

          Gaza IS a massive issue, and not only Gaza.. West Bank and East Jerusalem are other parts of the very same issue of Palestine which many equate with being anti-Muslim (despite that the state of Israel also exploits, oppresses, occupies and discriminates against Christians both in ISrael and in the Occupied Palestinian Territories). Also we have the invasion, still sore in many minds, and ongoing occupation, even via proxy, of Afghanistan and Iraq and the ongoing constant attacks, by drones in particular, on Pakistan, Yemen and other primarily Muslim countries and people.

          When Lee Rigby was killed in London there was massive outrage. TOTALLY understandable! TOTALLY agree with the outrage felt. It was a despicable and nasty atrocity. I watched the video but instead of seeking the violence I was listening to what the man with the machete had to say. Anyone who didn’t hear what he said should take a moment and do so, or read the transcript – If you can find it, as it appears to have been scoured off the net! So much for freedom of speech and expression.

      • William_Brown

        What about one’s ancestors being tortured, murdered, worked to death as slaves, robbed of the company of wives, husbands and children, that, say, the Muslims have inflicted upon themselves? Any more ideas?

        • Ged Byrne

          He was talking about what is happening right now, not what has happened in the past. It’s ongoing.

    • post_x_it

      Absolutely right. And then there this: ‘David Cameron does not have a clue about housing here,’ she says. ‘He’s never spent even a day with the sort of people who live in Poplar. I challenge him to come and live in one of our council blocks for a week, with just £35 in his pocket. See how he survives.’
      Actually, last time I checked, his job was to run the country. I’m not paying him to spend his time listening to the self-pitying complaints of unproductive petty criminals in the East End.

      • Coastliner

        Hear Hear!!! They can stuff their perpetual victimhood!

    • Lugh22

      Tory see Tory do

  • “Sister Christine Frost on why young men from Tower Hamlets are going to fight in Iraq and Syria”

    Because they work for MI5, of course, as do Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale, who played out their false flag roles in the fake murder of Lee Rigby in Woolwich, London back in May 2013.

    • Pali Gap

      I can see that you are starting to realise the deception. Good on you and I hope others start to wake up as well.

      • “I can see that you are starting to realise the deception. Good on you and I hope others start to wake up as well.”

        Oh, I’ve been a bad headache for the Kremlin (and allies) for some years now!

    • Waverebel

      And you are a sectionable crackpot, complete with thumb sucked conspiracy theories, to mask absence of meaningful life offline. Do you also wear a tinfoil hat ? 😉

      • “And you are a sectionable crackpot, complete with thumb sucked conspiracy theories…”

        Hey Comrade, I know Marxists are stupid imbeciles, otherwise they wouldn’t subscribe to Marx in the first place, but still you should know the difference between theories and the facts laid out by me. Even Forrest Gump would know what is proven by…

        “There was no verification, de-Communization and de-mobilization.”

        • colchar

          When you present a fact, just one, maybe we’ll consider listing to you. But since you are incapable of understanding what facts are, we aren’t in much danger of having to listen to you.

        • Waverebel

          Upgrade my initial estimation from ” sectionable ” to ” OTT barking mad “. How the fs you migrate to Marxism here is beyond any logical reasoning, as is your initial conspiracy theory. Holding logical discourse with anyone wearing a tinfoil hat and waiting for the spaceships to arrive is , in in itself, an exercise in futility. Try taking those tablets and don`t get too uptight about all those nasty sane people laughing at you and pointing fingers 🙂 !

    • sarah warren

      I think your lunatic theories are grossly insulting, to Lee Rigby, to his family, and to everyone who has even the tiniest semblance of intelligence. In many ways, you are worse than the Islamic terrorists.

      • “I think your lunatic theories are grossly insulting, to Lee Rigby, to his family…”

        Do you know the difference between a theory and a fact? Where did I present a theory? Since there are no pools of blood on the sidewalk before the armed police arrived, that PROVES that the Lee Rigby incident is a fake, and the Rigby family frauds, working for MI5

        What’s disgusting are Marxists such as you and the Rigby family taking part in false flag operations that malign Muslims, the purpose for the maligning being to divert attention from the still existing USSR.

        • starfish

          Hmm

          “Since there are no pools of blood on the sidewalk” but the perpetrator was covered in blood

          • ‘”Since there are no pools of blood on the sidewalk” but the perpetrator was covered in blood’

            Hmm

        • colchar

          When did we change the definition of ‘fact’ to ‘crap that you made up’? You wouldn’t know a fact if one were to smack you in the face.

          • “When did we change the definition of ‘fact’ to ‘crap that you made up’? You wouldn’t know a fact if one were to smack you in the face.”

            MI5 officers aren’t supposed to be wasting taxpayer monies shilling on the Internet. It’s against the law!

    • Brian Hinchcliffe

      God spoke to me told me this morning and said He had willed the whole thing!

      • “God spoke to me told me this morning and said He had willed the whole thing!”

        Ah, that explains the missing pools of blood on the sidewalk before the arrival of the armed police. God wanted to protect the public from the ghastly sight of blood on the sidewalk, but then changed His mind! Thanks!

    • colchar

      Your rants were entertaining until you started spewing this fvcking crap. You need professional help. Seriously.

  • Colin

    “it all comes down to housing.”

    Really? In that case, where do the luxury car driving, muslim doctors, who ram raided Glasgow Airport fit in to this? Don’t insult us. Get some integrity. The games up.

    • Niggademus

      That’s not what she said. You have no integrity yourself how can you demand others to have some ?

      • Waverebel

        And you are qualified to say so in….what respect ? Besides trolling ?

        • Niggademus

          He attributed a quote to this nun which did not belong to her, distorting her argument and sentiments for his own agenda. His own perfidiousness qualifies my comment.

          • Colin

            I attributed the quote to the author. The “she”, in this case is the author of this tripe. Like I wrote earlier, the game’s up.

          • Aldabaran

            Perfidiousness? Intemperate language. The writer of the article seems to attribute exactly that position to her.

      • Colin

        That’s exactly what she said.

    • post_x_it

      Also, one of the interesting things one observes in Tower Hamlets is that while a lot of the late teens/early twenties Bangladeshi men who are causing so much trouble probably do live five to a room in crappy council flats, a lot of them seem to spend all their spare time (i.e. all of their time) tearing up the streets and garden squares in brand new turbocharged Range Rovers and BMW X5s. The face of “deprivation” in 2014. My pity knows no bounds.

    • John Smith

      These people aren’t ram raiding Muslim doctors, they didn’t do it, it was other people who did it.

    • dracsblaine

      We get it, you are a redneck fascist, an imbecile who can’t comprehend what the lady said.

      • Colin

        Where is my rant against muslims? My beef is with the content and conclusions of this article.

        PS – Up-voting your own comments is a bit sad.

    • Ged Byrne

      One was a Dr and the other was an engineer. they were from Iraq. Don’t you even get it? Can’t you join the fuckin dots?

      Cause.. …. …. reaction. yeah?

      • Colin

        I do get it. The reality is, the evil in all of this is perpetrated funded and underpinned by people of considerable privilege. The main thing I get is that brain dead, socially insulated clowns like you, will find any angle to excuse evil.

        • Ged Byrne

          Can you give me an example of who you mean? I think you’ve changed the subject here.

          Evil, generally, begets evil and so on. I think I may agree with you, the funding coming from those who profit from the conflict/s and ongoing fracturing of peace. Cui bono? Is the old question, and is relevant today as ever was.

          The first female suicide bomber from Palestine was a paramedic and, I guess, got sick to her back teeth of picking up the remains and results of Israeli bombings, Wafa Idris.

          There were intellectuals who took up arms against the Nazis all over Europe in various resistance movements, as well as in other areas of the world where oppression happened.

          Mostly, in the UK, those who are serious about fighting oppression and occupation and so on do so via the legal and more apt means of protest.

          There will ALWAYS be some nutters who use either religion, or morality, or circumstances as an excuse for their own atrocities. Not all of those who take part in atrocities can be dismissed as such. It’s important to know the details and not to prejudge all as one, in case one makes a complete and utter fuckwit of one’s self.

  • Harry Pond

    It will never happen of course but I wonder what the result of a national referendum would be asking the simple question, should the UK allow anymore Islamic immigration? Large parts of the population are seething in silent rage at the stifling political correctness and the suppressing of any reasoned debate on how our culture is being destroyed by ‘multi-culturalism’. I’m glad to see at least the Spectator hasn’t put up the ‘comments are closed’ sign over the past couple of days unlike most other publications.

    • Calluna

      In this United Kingdom of 4 nations — what is ‘our culture’?

      • Harry Pond

        Well its a mish mash of Roman, Anglo Saxon, Norman and bits of this and that including Sikhism, Jewish, Hinduism, Caribbean and various others but those tend to integrate and accept our way of doing things in general. But nobody with half a brain cell can honestly tell me that muslims really make much of an effort to live in harmony with their neighbours, in fact they seem to go out of their way to annoy the hell out of everybody- just watch the news and you’ll see what I mean.

        • Rocksy

          Our British culture has nothing in it of Hinduism, Sikhism or Buddhism or Black customs etc. etc. No matter if they have integrated into our communities.

          • SirMe

            They are part of Britain now, even if you don’t like it..

          • Rocksy

            No you aren’t.

          • wayne

            That’s why we will do something about it and vote UKIP. The alternative will be civil war so deaths with that

          • Linda

            Yeah, vote UKIP….on your head be it

          • John Smith

            But the rest of us will suffer if too many people do, apart of course the rich, they will just get richer, don’t believe the man with a pint, he should be a used car salesman.

          • wayne

            You vote for the “carry on as usual” and endorse elitism and the mass rapes and murder of our children.. On your head it already is

          • John Smith

            ukip’s raison d’etre is to leave Europe to stop White Christian migration. They are happy to have immigration from black Muslim Commonwealth countries.

          • Ged Byrne

            What about white non-Christian migration?

          • Ged Byrne

            Ha ha.. ahem.. sorry.. Really? Vote UKIP? Vote for the party which:
            hates women (unless it’s your wife),
            hates equality,
            hates foreigners (unless it’s your wife),
            hates the idea of employing foreign workers before British workers (unless it’s your wife),
            hates the idea of corruption (unless it’s employing your former mistress),
            hates the EU (except when claiming EVERY bent penny of expenses),
            hates the working class (no exceptions here)
            hates anyone who hates the banks (double rations of hatred here.. Farage coming from banking into politics),
            hates the Etonian mob of Tories (except that most of the top UKIP lot are also Etonians),
            hates, Hates, HATES…

            So vote UKIP for HATE and HYPOCRISY! Oh yes, and utter ineffectiveness..

            UKIP if you want to, the wise are wide awake.

          • wayne

            What twoddle.. hahhaaa there’s something wrong with you pal. You can vote for those parties that hate the British people.. With the growth of UKIP you can see the wise waking up contrasting the ignorant country destroying bigotts.
            By the way most of the money earned by Farage went into paying for the party which is going to save the people of Britain from cretins like you. I hope you get a good dose of Karma very soon, you obviously need media deprogramming you brain washed muppet

          • Gwangi

            In the same way that white people from Britain were part of India and Africa? Well, they sent em back, didn’t they? The RACISTS!

          • John Smith

            We have ‘black customs’ we brought them with us when our ancestors left Africa.

          • Rocksy

            But we didn’t integrate them into our culture.

          • Ged Byrne

            British means many things to many diverse people.

            To some even the idea of Catholicism is anathema. To many even the idea of a Danish descendant is abhorrent. Bloody Romans? Go Home!!

            These islands have been invaded, accepted immigration, or fought it, for thousands of years, from Boudica to the BNP and before and since, all failed and will continue to do so.

            Viva the diversity and richness of these fabulous lands we live on.

          • Rocksy

            All of the groups you have named made positive contributions which have helped to make these islands the birthplace of modern democracy. (A nod to the Greeks). As well, they were helped in their integration by the fact that they came from fairly advanced societies and they looked like the residents. This is no small matter. The current batch of in – comers who are not from the EU do neither. While there may be initial resentment against EU immigration, this will pass in time as people from Poland, Italy and even Rumania have a history which is not too unlike our own.
            Commonwealth immigrants and others from Africa and Asia fit none of these parameters. Please don’t waste time talking about Asia’s ancient civilizations. While admirable for what they are and interesting to study, if they were truly worthwhile, we would be adopting their customs, belief systems, language, dress and forms of government instead of the other way round.
            As for Africa well enough said.

          • Ged Byrne

            OK, I am staggering under the immensity of ignorance here^. While I acknowledge that you mentioned ‘certain groups’, you seem to imagine that ALL inventions, discoveries and so on are purely by White people? Wrong.

            We use Arabic numbers, we use Indian mathematics, we use Chinese systems of warfare. Your imagined differences are not as great as those things we all have in common.

            As a pagan there is no difference, historically, between Christians and Muslims and Jews as to persecution. They all hail from the same hot, dry end of the Med and all came here without being invited.

            Africa? You mention Africa? We ALL come from Africa, according to the most prominent theory of history, archaeology and so on. You mention the Commonwealth and then immediately ignore that you have, or entirely miss what that means?? Do tell me which it is?

            I get what you’re saying entirely, so don’t imagine for one moment that I don’t. White, you’re all right. Brown, stick around. Black, stay well back!
            It’s not a new idea mate, even if you think it is. Racist bullshit like this has been around a long time. It doesn’t stink any less now when you say things like “.. even Rumania (sic) have a history which is not too unlike our own.” [N.B. It’s spelled Romania, in English!] To give categories as to who is more and who less acceptable to your narrow mind is interesting, like it’s interesting to rake through pig shit to see what the pig has eaten lately. It’s also vile and disgusting and not something I want to do, so for now and forever, as I shall not waste a moment longer on such a moronic bigot as yourself – Fuck off!

          • Rocksy

            Rotherham

        • John Smith

          All the ones who are living here peacefully and are living in harmony with their neighbours don’t get on the news.

          • Harry Pond

            well said John

      • mohdanga

        And Muslims in the UK pile in from Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Nigeria, Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia, Libya, Lebanon, Iran….what is so special about their ‘cultures’ that they can come to the UK and be lauded by the lefty PC multiculti, mass immigration mob as some type of cultural ephiphany to the dozy, culturally lacking and backward denizens of the UK, the same culture and country which normal intelligent people world wide associate as being homogeneous?
        If you are so obtuse that you can’t figure out the common language, customs and heritage of say the Scots and English then there’s no hope for you. Someone living in say, Boston, has a different cultural outlook than a surfie in San Diego but they share a common bond of you know, language, history and a common feeling of being part of the same group.

      • Rocksy

        Shakespeare, Adam Smith, Lord Lister, Yeats, scientific innovation, geographical discovery, the Mother of Parliaments, Magna Carta, Habeas Corpus,

        • Livia

          There are more people in England who could tell you the plot of all the Transformer movies than could quote one line of Yeats. The tabloids have always outsold the broadsheets, the Fifty Shades of Greys have always outsold literature. If there is a cultural bond between the inhabitants of this collection of countries, it isn’t that which remains largely unread, unwatched, unheard, unthought, even if that stuff is by far the best.

          • Rocksy

            It is not affected by who has read or listened to it or not. All of these people and events have profoundly affected these islands and many societies outside too.
            Many people have never heard of the Magna Carta or know what it is or what Habeas Corpus is but every day of their lives is made safer because of them.

            You are an idiot.

      • Gwangi

        Well, it’s NOT Pakistani, for sure. Now you sound like one of those pompous leftie pc BS academics whose negligence and complacency has allowed Islamic fascism to thrive on our university campuses and in our inner city colleges. Are you?

  • Colin Cass

    Poverty is Rife in Britain in many areas ,This government & the last few governments Only care about the Have’s & push the have Not people further down the Social toilet.

    • Calluna

      People get the government they elect.

    • post_x_it

      The main problem is that this government and even more so the last few governments have though it a good idea to import unlimited numbers of have-nots from the third world. As a result, an increasing proportion of the native population are also joining the have-nots, as jobs, space and resources become ever scarcer.

  • black11hawk

    I used to live round that area and the picture she paints is only a half truth. It is very hard being a non-Muslim living around there. The older generation are fine, they’re respectful and friendly, but the young boys are dreadful. You’ve got a mix of London gang culture and radical Islam combining to create a pretty toxic atmosphere. Sister Christine sounds like a very well-meaning person, but we cannot keep on blaming ourselves for the behaviour of these people.

    As for that whole thing about living on a council estate, I remember there was a TV show before the last election where they got Tim Loughton and a three other MPs and sent them to live in council estates around the country for a week. Mr Loughton and Mark Oaten arguably the poshest of the group actually did the most for the communities they were living in and properly got stuck in whilst Austin Mitchell the ‘working class’ Labour guy basically got pissed all the time. Who knows whether David Cameron would be able to do the same? Perhaps he couldn’t, but his class and background are neither here nor there, it’s the character of the man that matters.

    • Harry Pond

      ‘Is anyone else—-‘ um yes I think you’ll find there are quite a few.

      • Calluna

        ??? — ‘quite a few’ of what?

    • Calluna

      I am always averse to the phrase ‘these people’. History shows us the what the dangerous consequences can be of a homogeneous characterising of a group of people.

      • Colonel Mustard

        Tell the Labour party that then. They created the concept of identity groups in Britain and a situation where people are classified by skin colour amongst other things.

      • colchar

        Do you feel the same about Muslim’s characterizations of whites? Or are you selective in your outrage?

      • wayne

        The dangers of not doing it lead to the rape, torture and murder of our children on an industrial scale. Stick that in your bloody history book fool

    • Llamedos2

      Blackhawk – yes, you are right it is the ‘character’ that matters. However, as hard as I try I can’t see any ‘character’ in Ca’moron – he seems incapable of making any decision on things that matter to the country – like stopping immigration because we a full up and cannot take any more.

      • post_x_it

        There are many things wrong with Cameron’s leadership, but the fact that he hasn’t lived in a council flat in Poplar is most certainly not one of them. Churchill and Thatcher never lived in council flats either. Actually the latter came from a humble environment, but one where people worked for a living rather than whingeing about how hard it is to live on the dole.

    • post_x_it

      Yes, and I’m sick to death of this suggestion that a politician is not qualified to run the country unless he’s spent x number of years on the dole in a council flat or whatever it is people say he should do. Absolute rubbish. It’s as much of a fallacy as saying that nobody is qualified to be CEO of a company unless he knows how to perform every single job within that company.

  • jesseventura2

    Do you think if they returned to islamic hell holes like Pakistan and Bangladesh they would be getting free housing and thirty five pounds a week plus all the other wonderful infidel benefits fantasy allah refuses to pay because they have not been earned?

    • Calluna

      I can’t actually make sense of the 2nd half of this. Explain.

  • Niggademus

    Good article.

  • will91

    Time and time again we are shown examples that show terrorism is not caused by social deprivation or a lack of education. The 19 men who flew planes into buildings on 9/11 were college educated, to a man, some had PHD’s others had doctorates.

    • Niggademus

      She said it wasn’t just a social deprivation issue but also a persecution complex. Now that persecution complex considering the West’s policy towards Muslims in the past 60 years is well founded.

      • Waverebel

        Self generated, or inflicted persecution complex, brought about by their inability / unwillingness to adapt and their zero tolerance towards other beliefs, outlooks and otherwise universal human values. Don`t involve the West in apologising for their failings.

        • Niggademus

          So the support for dictators and the oppression of Muslims under these dictators, the arms sales to butchers, the causation for wars such the Iran/Iraq war, giving the green light to Iraq for the invasion of Kuwait and then decimating them for 10 years when 500 thousand children died, supporting Israel in their inhuman subjection of Palestinians, all of that is self generated, rather than a fact of history ? You’re an apologist for Western crimes against humanity.

          • Advocatus_Diaboli_69

            Hamas didn’t build a single air raid shelter despite using 800,000 tons of concrete and steel to build the tunnels.

            Hamas have admitted to the human shield policy and are pleased with the way it generated anti Israeli sentiments in the west. Seek out their statements in the Arab media.

            Hamas have been exposed as the cause of many of the deaths of civilians in Gaza who were either forced or coerced to stay in the line of fire when the inevitable Israeli retaliation started after thousands of rocket attacks and the kidnappings.

            You are duped by the propaganda.

          • starfish

            That presumably justifies the persecution of Christians and jews who have done none of those things?

          • mohdanga

            So now that the dictators are gone what is the result?? Even more bloodshed, instability and oppression! Did the Soviets not supply arms to the Iranians? What about the Chinese? So now the West is responsible for the Iran-Iraq war? As far as the poor Palestinians go, they have made their bed. Israel turned a desert into a functioning society, the Muslims had the same choice but chose war 65 years ago.
            Oh, and who was it again that supplied the brains and infrastructure that turned the Middle East into a petrodollar kingdom?? The West!!
            I don’t recall Iran, Libya, Lebanon or Afghanistan being under the yolk of the West for the past 40+ years. Iraq was under the rule of Hussein for the same period of time, making scads of money off of oil sales to help his poor, oppressed Muslim brothers.

          • Aldabaran

            Hack arguments used by Islamists.

            There have been many serious mistakes by Western countries of which the biggest was the invasion of Iraq in 2003. But it shows how misleading your whingeing is—that mistake was allegedly intended to overthrow a dictator and install democracy,

            As for the ‘green light’ to Iraq for the invasion of Kuwait….grow up.

          • Waverebel

            As much as you`re in denial of all the abuses conducted in the Third World by Third Worlders, who won`t take accountability for their own barbarism, so hey presto..let`s blame the wicked West for all . Self -perpetuating eternal victimhood, coupled with an acquired culture of entitlement, masking own inherent failures. Get over it, yourself and jog on. Only those as superficial as postage stamps still buy into that tedious crock you thump from your tub.

        • Calluna

          ‘Universal values’ aren’t universal values if they aren’t universally held.

        • connuaghtgreen

          agreed

      • arteus1946

        And the muslim’s policy towards one another -shia v sunni – muslim killing muslim – their persecution of peaceful christians in many of the countries that follow the cult of islam?
        You are being ridiculous and she-brave as she is -is being typically naive.
        If they are being “persecuted -why are they breaking their necks to come here. when they are not wanted or needed? Sensible answer only!!

        • Calluna

          ‘they’ are not all the same. Some adhere to they local ideology; some want to escape from it. The desire to try for a better life, perhaps in Britain — I sympathise.

      • colchar

        No it is not. Those people are living here, not in Muslim countries. Why, then, would they feel persecuted?

      • will91

        In short, this ‘victimhood complex’ is perpetuated by Muslim spokesmen who reinforce the sense of alienation necessary for radicalisation.

        If you ceaselessly tell someone that they are persecuted, they will start to believe it.

        • Niggademus

          What if they ARE persecuted ?

          • will91

            No more than the Jewish community which has faced a torrent of abuse in the last few weeks (a worrying trend across Europe.) These attacks are almost exclusively perpetrated by Muslims.

    • “The 19 men who flew planes into buildings on 9/11 were college educated, to a man, some had PHD’s others had doctorates.”

      And they worked for the United States intelligence community, the 9/11 operation being tasked by Moscow & allies. I guess you didn’t read my comments below?

      Let’s see what the government and media told us concerning NORAD on 9/11…

      “Why couldn’t ATC find the hijacked flights? When the hijackers turned off the planes’ transponders, which broadcast identifying signals, ATC had to search 4500 identical radar blips crisscrossing some of the country’s busiest air corridors. And NORAD’s sophisticated radar? It ringed the continent, looking outward for threats, not inward. “It was like a doughnut,” Martin says [Major Douglas Martin, public affairs officer for NORAD]. “There was no coverage in the middle.” Pre-9/11, flights originating in the States were not seen as threats and NORAD wasn’t prepared to track them.” —

      http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/debunking-911-myths-planes

      Now let’s see what the 9/11 Commission Report says regarding NORAD’s capabilities on the morning of 9/11 and before…

      “NORAD would receive tracking information for the hijacked aircraft either from joint use radar or from the relevant FAA air traffic control facility. Every attempt would be made to have the hijacked aircraft squawk 7500 to help NORAD track it.” Page 18.

      http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/sept_11/911Report.pdf

      Oh my, looks like the media and United States government lied to the world concerning who executed the 9/11 false flag operation.

      • Mr Grumpy

        Even allowing for the sake of argument that your views are less than 100% bonkers, they are irrelevant. Or do have a theory as to why 19 Saudi Wahhabis would hijack planes and fly them into buildings if they did not believe they were engaged in Jihad?

        • “Even allowing for the sake of argument that your views are less than 100% bonkers, they are irrelevant.”

          Only irrelevant to (1) a Marxist; or (2) someone still clueless that governments mount false flag operations.

          “Or do have a theory as to why 19 Saudi Wahhabis would hijack planes and fly them into buildings if they did not believe they were engaged in Jihad?”

          As my comment already explained, the 19 were operatives working for the Moscow co-opted CIA.

          • Mr Grumpy

            “Operatives” tend to have a preference for still being alive when the operation is over. Jihadis not so much.

          • ‘”Operatives” tend to have a preference for still being alive when the operation is over. Jihadis not so much.’

            That’s why there were no passengers, crews nor “Jijadists” on those four aircraft. You don’t seem to comprehend what a false flag operation is!

          • colchar

            You don’t seem to comprehend what reality is.

          • “You don’t seem to comprehend what reality is.”

            Explain the reality of the government and media lying about NORAD’s capabilities on and before 9/11, why don’t you.

            We’re waiting…

          • It’s been over a day now and you still haven’t replied to my comment to yours…

            colchar said, “You don’t seem to comprehend what reality is.”

            Reply:

            Explain the reality of the government and media lying about NORAD’s capabilities on and before 9/11, why don’t you.

          • colchar

            Your posts are the funniest things I have read all day, thanks for the laugh!

      • colchar

        I’m curious – do you buy the tinfoil for your hats in bulk or are you still paying retail prices for it? If you are paying retail prices, I know a guy who can do you a good deal.

        • GUBU

          And I’m curious too – is enough tinfoil manufactured annually to meet Mr Jackson’s needs?

          I somehow doubt it.

    • colchar

      PhD and Doctorates are the same thing.

  • Rintintin

    Nice try, but why should Bengali youths in East London identify with a pathological crypto-fascistic movement? The narrative of a global conspiracy against muslims that is so prevalent in these communities is nonsense. If they are justified in supporting a regime that kills christians and other ethnic/religious groups because the west has been involved in the death of muslims , then likewise , we are justified in fighting them for their “collusion” in the death of Christians, Westerners and all non muslims.

    • Calluna

      More ‘us and them’ polemic — tragic.
      We don’t yet have the technology (I dread that we ever do) to see into a person’s mind to know what they think and believe.

      • Rocksy

        We don’t have to see into a person’s mind to understand their motivation. It’s enough to look at what they gain by their actions.

      • Gwangi

        ‘Us and them’?
        Do you mean the way pc lefties attempt to brand anyone who doesn’t worship diversity and multiculturalism – and who doesn’t want to turn a blind eye to the vile practices of ethnic religious communities – as racist? The threat is: shut up and follow the flock – support endless mass immigration, never criticise anyone ethnic, always say how wonderful they are and how ethnics and immigration always enriches us – OR ELSE!
        You will be branded a WAYYYCISTTT – and the suspended from your job, lose your house, career, family, and you WILL be an outcast and unemployable, and we may even try and get you arrested by the UK MORON PC PLOD FORCE – whose priority these days seems to be trying to arrest alleged racists and those who post naughty words online…
        Yep, THAT is ‘US AND THEM’ alright – and it is as devious and dangerous and disgusting as anything that happened in 1930s Germany.

        • Ged Byrne

          Hell of a rant without a single credible thing in it, and full only of bluster and bullshit and pretence. Lots of straw man you’re happy to set alight.

    • Calluna

      Why would anyone? There are even cases of non-Muslims, who have converted to Islam who identify with this movement — how can we explain that? Why did the youth and all ages in Germany identify with Nazism? People are capable of independent thought — why do so many not use this faculty?

  • Rintintin

    Also…if it’s so bad here, why don’t they go back to Bengal, etc, etc

    • Calluna

      born here?

      • mohdanga

        “I see Bengali mothers, some with little English, struggling with all that.” Hmm, it would appear that they aren’t born here. Given the massive 3rd world immigration into Britain the last 15 years it would appear many were not. However, I’m sure there is a reason why illiterate, poor, uneducated, unskilled members of a religion dedicated to the overthrow of western countries and the installation of Sharia law were allowed in but it escapes me….

        • colchar

          Pretty simple really, Labour needed their votes.

          • mohdanga

            Can’t speak English, won’t assimilate, determined to recreate the old country here….but hey, let’s let them vote!

        • post_x_it

          Yeah and perhaps their, and everybody else’s, lives would be a bit easier if they stopped churning out 15 kids apiece and trying to cram them into a 3-bedroom flat. But of course that’s all Cameron’s fault because he hasn’t lived there and doesn’t know what it’s like.

    • Advocatus_Diaboli_69

      They don’t need to go to any of the old countries. They are recreating the old countries here in the UK. Talk a walk down the streets.

      • will91

        When you have massive immigration rates married to high birth rates. It’s possible to transplant entire functioning communities from Pakistan directly to West Yorkshire, for example.

        You don’t need to read about this or look it up on the internet, we can all name areas and travel to places right now, which have, to all intents and purposes, been transplanted directly from another country.

    • connuaghtgreen

      no free hand outs there

  • desperatedan

    “A Nun” takes down the ISIS flag, where’s our police, where’s our army.
    So a Nun, no matter if a little misguided.
    Has got more guts than the metropolitan police force.
    Or maybe the Met are just following orders !!!
    British politics must change, and fast.

    • connuaghtgreen

      sadly our MPs suck up to extremists due to PC from job worth’s

    • Ged Byrne

      As far as I am aware, it’s not illegal in this country to fly flags and have an opinion, no matter how disgusting.

      My grandfather and his comrades and millions of others, including half a million Muslims, and Hindus as well, fought to preserve the right to do just that.

      Fair play to the nun! More balls than most, but the rest you imply is bullshit!

      • desperatedan

        Really, my old Dad was there too, along with other members of my family, and I can tell you for a certainty, he would not approve of the enemy within, old boys like him would kick the bloody lot out.
        Then, as you say, it’s a free country, if you want to support the ISIL, that’s a matter for you.

        • Ged Byrne

          I didn’t say I support ISIL or ISIS. I don’t, they’re a despicable bunch of arseholes who use religion as an excuse to be utter arseholes. A good friend of mine from Lebanon had her cousin killed, murdered, merely because he was a Catholic Christian in Homs over a year ago.

          What I wrote, if you care to read it, is that it is not illegal to fly a flag. I also mentioned that half a million Muslims and almost that many Hindus (as well as Sikhs and other non-Christian, non-British) fought along side the same ancestors who were there, your ‘old Dad’ and my granddad and his brothers and his dad too.

          I don’t equate ISIL with Islam any more than I equate the IRA or the Nazi party with Christianity.

  • Alan Bennett

    The sad thing is that these Muslim youths believe all of this rubbish about Martyrdom. Once they’re dead, they’re dead; there’s no countless virgins waiting to give them a good time, there is no luxurious lifestyle in an afterlife… They’re dead… End of what could have been a promising life… Why do these young Muslim lads believe the hype? Do they never stop to think why the recruiters are not keen on entering Martyrdom and try their very best to stay alive. If Martyrdom was so great they would be first in the queue.

    • Calluna

      Britain has its own history rife with intolerance, brutality and slaughter in the name of religion — these were our ancestors. If we had lived in these times, what would we have done?

      • Mike

        Don’t go there, as previous transgressions do not excuse current ones.

    • connuaghtgreen

      it would appear from all the women and children taken they get their virgins before they die

    • Mike

      There’s precious few virgins available within their communities as they’re all forcibly married off to some pedophile in some foreign third world cess pit by the time they’ve left primary school.

  • Advocatus_Diaboli_69

    Perhaps young men living in Tower Hamlets are so easily radicalised because they live in a London borough that has a mayor with a lot of questions to answer

    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4320/tower-hamlets-lutfur-rahman

    One thing is for sure, Tower Hamlets is probably best avoided if you’re gay. I read somewhere that there’s just one gay pub left. They’ve managed to close all the rest.

    • post_x_it

      Have they? I think the White Swan, the Joiners’ Arms and the George & Dragon are all in Tower Hamlets, and going strong.

  • beelzebub

    The problem is the same for them and us: multi-culturalism doesn’t work.

    • Calluna

      We are where we are. We have to make our society work as best as possible.

      • Advocatus_Diaboli_69

        A society of diverse cultures coexisting and get along only works if everyone agrees in mutual respect and choice.

        Apart from a few extremists in each group it works, but the number of Muslims causing us grief is so great that it can’t be down to a few extremists. The clue is in the way they regard others; infidel, kuffar, non-believer etc. and an ideology and philosophy that doesn’t fit into a western liberal democracy.

        Instead of fitting in, assimilating and integrating, they want us to change to suit them, or at the very least they want to take over areas within cities to create their own Muslim enclaves, free to run their own show with no interference from the outside i.e. the rest of society.

        • Mike

          I think the active militant elements may only consist of 5%-10% at most but the level of their disruption exceeds their number because the other 90% ignore their barbaric behavior.

          Currently, moderate Islam doesn’t exist and never has existed as the scriptures don’t allow it. Passively allowing or even condoning feral elements in your community to become jihadists or rapists does not make you a moderate.

    • Mike

      That’s true and as a white Brit from a Christian culture background, I don’t expect to have an Islamic country afford me special treatment all in the name of Multiculturalism. In fact in most islamic countries its usually illegal and punishable by death in many cases to practice some of my cultural beliefs in their countries..

      It is beholden on all immigrants to adapt to the culture of the host country. Failure to integrate indicates that you didn’t want to move to that country because of its values or culture but for other selfish reasons like benefit tourism or in the extreme to change their culture to your own. We see both of these elements with migrants from Islamic countries.

  • Alf

    Yes it’s all Bilge, Muslims do not fit in, they cannot by their own belief and will not, the best thing is not to think you can safely mix incompatible cultures, you can’t. Look at the mess it’s causing all over the globe.

    Keep to you own.

    • Calluna

      What about ‘secular Moslems’? Like some people in the C of E, who attend church but don’t believe in a metaphysical being?

  • Miguel Sanchez

    the borderline racist comments on here do not surprise me its become boring and routing from the usual posters. The article shows the good work the nun is doing and she is in a better position to know the living standards and situation of the people in her area rather than a bunch of right wing keyboard crusaders!

    • Advocatus_Diaboli_69

      Do you think jihadis who hate Christians and who are willing to behead Yazidi children are racists?

      Or are they just a bit misunderstood?

    • mohdanga

      Brilliant logic! You brand as ‘crusaders’ born and raised white, English speaking natives of the UK complaining about their country being overtaken by intolerant, stone age crazies!! Carry on!

    • colchar

      Living standards do not explain their radicalization. Not even close.

  • Freddy West

    Brits are so wimpish even their women stand up to these vermin

    • Liz

      By Brits you mean British men then.

      • Freddy West

        What did you think I meant dizzy lizzy?

  • Equalegaluk

    Many older white working-class people are isolated,’ she says, ‘especially the proud, independent Cockneys who are still here.’

    Her answer to the problems faced by the isolated oder white working class people appears to be tow wish that the wealthy who live in Canary Wharf will come dow and help estates like the Wilcrooks.
    If that is what she truly believes than she will be disappointed.
    The “wealthy” will neither want to nor be able to match the resources that the local Tower Hamlets Council has as its disposal.
    The inter-linked resources include the many social housing estates that are no longer legally owned by the Council but by the outfits known until recently as ‘social landlords’.
    Tower Hamlets Council has a social service that is funded by the public. As is the operation formerly known as the youth service.
    Put together, these three operations of the Council could make a serious difference of they worked with the clear aim of helping the local Community.
    The fact that Sister Frost is at all in the news shows the Council has been failing to do its job.

  • Simon Fay

    What a wonderful, kind, God-fearing old lady. I’m sure when her usefulness is at an end her head will look good run up the flagpole.

    • Liz

      She was the only one with the guts to take the black flag down.

      • Simon Fay

        Rape.

  • teepee

    “I see Bengali mothers, some with little English, struggling with all that. They should be canonised.”

    No, they should stop having children they can’t support, learn English, integrate and pay tax. If that’s too ‘oppressive’, return to Bangladesh.

  • la catholic state

    Sorry…..but a lot of Jihadis are from prosperous families and were well educated. Surely Sister should be trying to spread the Catholic Faith…..not merely work as a sociologist and social worker. We all know they have no answers. And that applies to the rich and pampered too. Spreading the Faith is the answer….

    As for avoiding Balkanisation…..it may be too late for that. But an end to Islamic immigration would be a start.

    • Mike

      As in those terrorist Doctors at Glasgow airport.

  • After all these centuries of unrest in the Middle East it all comes down to lack of affordable housing. Constantinople was sacked so Muslims could have access to its apartment blocks. Who knew?

    • this is the message from indiscriminate liberals that seek a new world order – everyone is a victim of something and is justified to act out violently and it is those the violent act is directed upon that must change in order to restore peace and tranquility.

      mark this date because from the beginning of time just the opposite was true however from now on the laws of physics, ie action and reaction, change. Please see Climate Change theory for other such reversals in logic.

  • Llamedos2

    No Sister, you are wrong, the young men of your area are jihadist because THEIR religious book tells them to be so. They are following their religion just as you follow yours. There is nothing that you or your ilk can do about it. When people have conflict in their religion it causes conflict in their lives – it is a ‘personal’ struggle Sister Nun. We all have our own ‘personal struggles’ in our lives in some form or another. These young men are doing what all young men round the world do – when the clarion call comes to arms, they respond. Just as our young men did for WW1 and2. It just so happens that WE in Europe can remember the absolute (and I use the word correctly) ‘absolute’ waste of lives that destroys the soul as well as the flesh. Islam is a young religion in contrast to others – they too will learn. I just hope they don’t take too many English and Christians with them. And you know we have ALL KNOWN times of poverty, hunger, distress, fear and pain. And I remember the East End of London from the war years and how awful it was for my parents and all the dads who returned from the war. War is never the answer – you kill your own soul when you participate. In WW1 and 2 the young men were called to arms and victimised if they did not go – but in this day and age it is not necessary for the Muslims of the UK to participate. But if you do go boys, you lose the right to call England your home because you are not fighting for England and its people – you are fighting some other country’s war.

  • the only difference between a wealthy or poor radical Islamic is who buys the explosives or who wears the explosives.

    other than that there is no difference.

    • Mike

      Nice one !

  • Rocksy

    As a Catholic I say with all due to respect, you’re full of it sister.

  • Beel Z Bubz

    Destroying the infrastructure of British culture and reforging it as another state of Pakistan/insert developing Islam nation here is ultimately what politically correct activists are kowtowing to. They cannot see the woods for the trees.
    These extremists cannot be judged by the same standards as a middle class European. They are dangerous, hostile killers.
    “Poor fire, it doesn’t like living in fire retardant housing, it wants something it can BURN.”
    They ultimately perceive Brits as weak, gullible and they have zero respect for our pre-existing cultures, laws or way of life. They wish only to impose their own aggressive, oppressive medieval ideology upon us.

    Please wake up, fellow Brits. Before Islamic extremists rise up and force Sharia law upon us all while we say, “poor them, they deserve a few rights.” It is NOT equality, it is reverse discrimination against native British people. They don’t want equality. They want us either enslaved to extreme Islamic ideals or dead.

    • Upright Man

      ‘insert developing Islam nation here’
      They’re not developing nations, they are backward.

  • Upright Man

    Utter nonsense. Nice as it is to see goodness in people, it is idiotic and dangerous to see it in such barbarians devoid of all goodness.

  • Good old Tony Blair. Causing problems 10+ years after he left. What a scumbag

  • Mr Grumpy

    Before any more comments are posted rebutting the notion that poverty breeds extremism I suggest a careful re-reading of the piece. This seems to me to be more the writer’s spin than Sister Christine’s own view.

  • Geula

    How is it that Jews were persecuted, discriminated, frustrated, hurt, and likely enraged for millenia, and did not become criminals like so many Moslems? . If it is because they were dominated by oppressive powers, shouldn’t we then dominate the “radicalizing” forces now? But the euphemism ” radicalized” does not help the issue. Violence is violence. Doesn’t the group itself, the being in community, without violence, provide enough solace and a place to work out “frustrations”, as it has always been with the Jews? Isn’t the religion, namely Islam, enough to bring comfort, or is it that the religion itself still teaches violence? I bring up the Jews because they are not only an example of true forbearance and the assumption of responsibility under the worst circumstances, but of their peacefulness as citizens of the nations. Today, as always, all violence is transferred psychologically to the Jews, now to the Israelis as well. They are accused of the monstrous behaviors which are truly the domain of the ” radicalized” . Look around.

    • Mike

      In a word, they are all “Educated” unlike most in the Islamic third world.

  • Gergiev

    I think the British white working class, driven from its neighbourhoods and jobs by immigrants, its young women ignored by social services and the police in the face of horrific and widespread rape, its children alienated from the educational system to the extent that it is now the worst performing group, eschewed by the intellectuals and metropolitan elite who once looked to it as the vanguard of the revolution but now prefer a more “vibrant” brand of radicalism, which is victimised, ignored and sidelined. Goodness knows what ideology this group will turn to to redress the balance when the time comes.

    • Well, ladies and gentlemen, that’s the Kremlin spewing psy-op at you.

      See my comments below for more on the fake collapse of the USSR, the West’s failure to VERIFY the collapse proving that the political parties of the West were co-opted, otherwise they would have VERIFIED the collapse of the USSR, since the SURVIVAL of the West depended on such VERIFICATION.

      See my comments below for more on this matter…

  • GraveDave

    It’s hard to know whether you want to slap her face or give her a big hug.

  • Lukas

    Wow, almost every single premise of this article and the nun’s line of reasoning is wrong. Let’s take the simplest one – exactly how much of other people’s fruit of labour (salaries) are these “powerless” entitled to and why? What gives them this right of entitlement? Why don’t they speak English yet (as one example)? Why would the nun resort to quoting the Balkan example of religious tensions? These are imported people, not ingenious to the region like the ones in Bosna/ Serbia were. What is the logic she is selling? Have immigrants come and match their living standards to some of the wealthiest local demographics or face violence? Is UK some mega-charity hostel for the third world? Why is a Bangladeshi victimised by the situation of Arabs in Gaza? The only link between them is Islam, which implies their main allegiance is not with the British nation which hosts them, but with a bronze-age “divine” ideology. Is the housing better where they come from? Should the Christian populations of Europa feel victimised by the situation of Copts in Egypt under the Brotherhood rule? Why aren’t “powerless” people from, say, Chinese and Vietnamese communities in the UK resort to “extremism”? How can anyone with a functioning brain claim that this is a housing issue? Is this housing-deficit logic applicable across Europe, as you have few thousand of other “European” jihadists fighting in Syria…I could go one forever. This PC blindness is a self inflicted cancer. Brits will ultimately pay the price for this. I am a tax-paying Polish immigrant btw, very sad to see my host country falling to this madness.

    • Lea

      Even those muslims in bosnia and Serbia are not indigenous. They were created through the Islamic jihad, and colonised the country, after many of them being forcefully converted to islam.

    • Coastliner

      Well said Lukas – thank you. You are indeed correct. There are actually two cancers eating our society alive and killing it – one is PC and the other is a malignant alien ‘religion’.

    • Mike

      I think whats happening here is the left are fast running out of excuses for their apologist mantra as each lame argument has been sliced and diced and thrown in the trash. This ‘housing’ bit is just one more lame attempt to resurrect their dying ideology but as seen here, its easily chopped up and discarded like the falsehood it is.

  • MissDemeanor

    let me get this straight:

    Muslims are incapable of living peacefully with sikhs, buddhists, hindus, jews, christians, and even other Muslims!

    Muslims are incapable of living peacefully in western countries, or countries with sharia law.

    But it’s all everybody else’s fault?
    Okay then..

    And what would explain the fact that despite jews having been the most persecuted people in history of humanity, they do not resort to terrorism?
    I mean, judging by this article, they’d be perfectly justified in launching nukes on Germany and other European countries, Arab countries, Slavic nations, basically half the world, no?

    Did I miss something?

    • david croft

      WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE MUSLIM WO

  • colchar

    What a load of tripe.

  • Brother DuQuette

    Sorry, I don’t want to sympathise with Jihadis… I just want them shot in the head.

  • Aldabaran

    It sounds as if Sister Frost knows little or nothing about Islam and its worldwide victimisation narrative–which she is unconsciously helping inflame. She might ask herself why the problems she describes happen almost everywhere in the world not just the East End–and far more with this religion than any other. And she should talk to Christians from Muslim countries. There are some in London. She ought also to read the words of Archbishop Giuseppe Bernadini OFM CAP, i.e. a Roman Catholic like herself but one who worked in a Muslim country, quoted on the Cranmer blog this week: http://www.archbishop-cranmer.blogspot.co.uk

  • Lydia Robinson

    “Their anger is also fed by the deprivation in which they live.”

    I think I represent the majority of immigrants in saying that my family came here to do well, not live in deprivation and most of us did very well. I’ve also had spells abroad in other countries in order to improve my income and circumstances. If people emigrate to another country and are living in poverty or claiming benefits, there’s something wrong with them not with the country. Their anger is probably the result of being losers. My family took advantage of what was on offer here when they arrived here – and there was plenty on offer.

  • lpoollady

    Why are certain people always making excuses for these thugs! They and their parents were given the privilege of being allowed to immigrate to the UK, with all the rights and priviledges the rest of the native population have fought for over the centuries! Would westerners be allowed to live their lives as the do in the UK if they went to live in Muslim dominated countries!!! If these brainwashed individuals are so keen to take part in “Jihad” let them show their faces when they commit the atrocities they seem so keen to use their beliefs as an excuse for! They are cowards and thugs and there is no excuse can justify their evil!

    I, like many others, am sick of “multi-culturism” and think that if keeping your language, religion, costume and medieval attitudes is so important then it should be paid for by the immigrants themselves and the laws against discrimination should be applied to all sides of the argument!! Veils and burkhas have no place in British society and should be banned for a start and religion should not be taught in any school – leave that to the parents should they want it! We should only respect those who respect us!

  • Freeworld

    Sorry but just couldn’t bring myself to read all of this sanctimonious rubbish….just knew the whole Muslim rage thing was my fault!

  • John Smith

    I see Bengali mothers, some with little English, struggling with all that. They should be canonised.’

    NO! They should piss off back to an Islamic country instead of sponging of our welfare state and expecting the UK to be some sort of Paradise on Earth!

  • John Smith

    I see Bengali mothers, some with little English, struggling with all that. They should be canonised.’

    NO! They should piss off back to an Islamic country instead of sponging of our welfare state and expecting the UK to be some sort of Paradise on Earth!

  • Oonagh Tif Fany Nicol

    Large Lumpy White !!!! WTF !!!

    • SirMe

      It’s true, have you seen some whites lately

  • gerronwithit

    It’s about anything and everything except the religion.

  • Lea

    So why are western countries importing muslims when they are unable to provide proper living conditions for them? Surely, this must be really dumb, if you already have poor people you do NOT import more poor people.

    • Mike

      Its called buying votes !

  • Augustus

    The real reasons “it” seems attractive to young Muslim men is because of the lure of quick military successes, the acquisition and plundering of vast amounts of property bringing enormous wealth, and a group of tribal Sunni leaders to whom they can look up to. The ‘real reasons’ have less to do with poverty and more to do with a youth brainwashed with Muslim propaganda, and eager to fight anybody who poses a threat to Islam. And that being so, it is only a matter of time before these fighters return home as skilled trained terrorists, anxious to continue the fight and fulfill their objectives, even if that means on home soil throughout the Western world as well.

    • Mike

      Don’t forget all those lovely virgins in heaven they still think are waiting for them !

  • Rocksy

    There is nothing in Christianity which command us to make excuses for vile behaviour.
    No matter what our circumstances, we are still faced with the uncomfortable reality of Free Will.

    • Mike

      Taken literally, it should be an eye for an eye and those two who killed Lee Rigby would have their heads hacked off by the state and the rapists in Rotherham would have their genitals cut off.

  • Innit Bruv

    Poor Sister Christine Frost. What has she done to deserve such bile from Speccie
    readers? She did say they have a “narrow vision”-which may be putting it kindly.
    Could it be that this publication attracts a lot of disenfranchised BNP/EDL supporters who only need the slightest excuse to tar a whole “community” with the same brush?
    Surely not!!
    Where have we seen this before in the not too distant past? Hmmm…I wonder……
    …..wonder if there isn’t another agenda at work with some of columnists in this publication?
    Oops,sorry,didn’t really mean that…..just a passing thought….

    • Aldabaran

      Instead of replying to arguments, many of which surely do deserve an answer, you simply badmouth Spectator readers as BNP or EDL–which they self-evidently in many cases are not. Presumably you are one of those brilliant intellects who believe that there is no threat from al Qaeda or ISIS or that if one did exist, it would be the fault of the West not the people actually hacking off heads in the desert and in Woolwich.

      • Innit Bruv

        “Brilliant intellect”
        Well spotted!! Couldn’t agree more…..

    • Augustus

      It was said of the wholly unexpected 1st Word War, “Humanity looked into the abyss and peering into the depths, found its own dark, disfigured reflection staring back.” Today, a century later, humanity needs to take a look at the utterly immoral objectives and practices that Islam is capable of, and fully understand that it is at war with those who consider themselves peaceful and moderate Muslims, and with all other faiths. It’s not ‘if’ we shall have to deal with it militarily, as Israel has had to do, but ‘when’. And that day cannot be far off.

      • Innit Bruv

        “Humanity looked into the abyss….staring back”.
        Humanity obviously didn’t learn very much as we got a second dose
        twenty-one years later.
        Lumping Hamas with ISIS is plain dishonest. Hamas is a symptom.
        The cause: the expulsion from the land they had been living on for centuries.

  • Liz

    The problem is fundamentally that men have always believed that if they’re unhappy they gave a right to have a massive violent tantrum and destroy and kill stuff. If they’re not rioting, they’re warring. Women meanwhile just get on with things and try to work around the baby men.

    • wayne

      You mean like Diane Abbot, Warsi or the black Muslim widow

      • Mike

        Not sure which one is worse. Abbot one can generally ignore as she’s basically harmless but the black widow is a clear and present danger and Warsi as an apologists with media access can be more dangerous.

        • wayne

          Abbot is being mooted as a deputy primeminister I’d say she is pretty dangerous given her ethnic favouritisms and plain dislike for whites

    • mohdanga

      Yawn. Because every day in the West we see ‘unhappy baby men’ (white, native Europeans, not the imported enrichers) having ‘massive violent tantrum(s) and destroy(ing) and kill(ing) stuff’. Why just this morning I killed a random woman in the office because I was late getting in. Nothing unusual about this, I was unhappy so chose to vent my ‘anger’ in any way I felt without any repurcussions.
      Funny how us ‘baby men’ built the society that has the highest standard of living anywhere. How’d did us dummies ever do it?

      • Mike

        I think many women are more likely to boil a bunny like Glen Close especially at certain times of the month ! Now I’ve done it —

    • Mike

      Now, now, lets not get sexists. Wasn’t Boadicea a warrior ?

  • Adeola Odutola

    With all due respect Sister Frost it seems you have overlooked one thing, the ability for sermons to distort fact. Muslims have been taught from a young age that any religion other than theirs are infidels. This is an excerpt of a conversation in at a Prison between a Pastor and an Imam during Prison Service.
    ” Please correct me if Iam wrong most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy War] against the infidels of the world and that by killing an infidel, which by the way is a command to all Muslims they are assured of a place in heaven.
    If that is the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel, to which the Imam stated, it means Non-believers!
    That follows that all followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of the Islamic faith.
    Were the Pope commanding all Catholics to kill those of the Islamic Faith or Dr Stanley ordering all Protestants in the States or Archbishop Welby ask Christians here to do the same in order to guarantee them place in heaven will you be able to take that in.
    The Muslim was speechless!
    I continued, ” I also have a problem with being your friend when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me! Let me ask a question the Christian said, ” Would you rather have your Allah who tells you to kill me in order for you to heaven or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going to heaven and He wants you there with me…….The Imam was speechless . You could hear a pin drop.
    Sister Frost when the 9/11 happened was it Gaza, when 7/7 happened was it Gaza, when Christians were and are still being killed in Nigeria and Iraq , five year olds sliced into two is it still Gaza, I attended a Catholic Primary School one attached to a convent at no time was I ever taught that I had to kill to enter heaven. The background I had their was what fashioned my belief system up till today. The same opportunity I had in Nigeria then is what they too have ghetto or no ghetto as you put it. I did not bring up my children to kill neither have I made seen that in the bible. Neither have I ever been taught that in the Torah nor have I read it there.
    I never knew or would have believed it that I will witness a Christian Holocaust in my lifetime. Nasaraa is what they tell us now even here in London, by the way that word means convert or face death.
    Thank you for God is not a liar.

  • wayne

    The facts are that 50% of Muslim men and 75% of Muslim women happily live on our taxes and don’t work… And they feel persecuted the poor cherubs. Perhaps we should offer up our sons and daughters as penance.

    • mohdanga

      I have never heard any advocate for mass Muslim, 3rd world immigration offer a reason why this is good for the West. Aside from saying, “Well, I can get a good curry” there is not one benefit….and the madness still continues.

  • Aldabaran

    Sister Frost,
    Have you ever discussed with any of these kids, the respective tenets and qualities of Christianity and Islam? Have they told you what they think will happen to you when you die? Have they told you whether or not they would like to see Christianity disappear in the UK and be replaced by another religion? No doubt some of them are honest and intelligent kids, and well-intentioned. But don’t have the wool pulled over your eyes. It seems that — like many of the clergy – you interpret Christianity as a kind of cultural nihilism, demolishing Britain’s heritage, and damning the successful sections of its population. Are you not using your love of the poor as a stick with which to beat those you disapprove of?

  • Edward1

    After what happened in Rotherham, the English did not riot and burn Mosques. I am sick and tired of moaning minorities.

    • Mike

      Thats what it would probably take to wake up Cameron and all the apologists.

  • Edward1

    After what happened in Rotherham, the English did not riot and burn Mosques. I am sick and tired of moaning minorities.

  • zanzamander

    But though Sister Christine deplores the jihadis, she also thinks we must address the real reasons it seems attractive to young Muslim men, which is that they feel victimised. ‘It used to be mainly Pakistani youths who were radicalised,’ she says, ‘but now the Bengali youth are getting involved too. They feel themselves targeted and they become angry.’ Sister Christine’s point is that a feeling of persecution makes a young man ripe for radicalisation. The persecution complex began, she says, when Tony Blair led the UK into war in Iraq, but now it’s mainly linked with Israeli attacks on Gaza. ‘There is a sense of victimhood, and they have a narrow vision,’ she says.

    This is exactly what they want you to believe, that they’re the victims and you/we the cause of their misery.

    What causes radicalisation in Muslim men and women in Islamic countries where they actually run the show? Again listen to them and they blame us and the rest of the world – but never themselves.

    With mentality like the good Sister’s, the Jihadis have got you exactly where they want and will extract more and more concessions out of us and frankly that one which lead directly at the gates of Rotherham, Oxford etc.

  • depressed about my country ,

    All these British born Islamists who go to fight in the middle east should be interned when they return to this country ,they should not be allowed back in to society and pose a threat to others.Any of these Islamic fighters not born here should have their passports torn up and sent back to whatever country they came from.
    This will never happen when we have a government that does not understand the concerns of the British public, How can they when the cabinet is made up out of a group of elitist people who haven’t a clue about the normal everyday lives of the general public

    • innit_eh

      The benefits system is not so good in the caliphate. Much better to be based in Bradford or Birmingham. Then you can kill the infidel using his own money.

  • zanzamander

    What sort of victimisation of Muslim men lead to Trojan Horse? Was it Gaza, Iraq, Halal food, what?

  • zanzamander

    They feel themselves targeted and they become angry

    Targeted by who, what, how? from where I’m standing, these Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are the most spoilt bunch of young things. Politicians jump up to their orders, police turn a blind eye to their mischief, educators revise their curricula to suit, media make excuses for them, enjoy in this country some of the best healthy care, business and job opportunities…so who is targetting them and for what?

    I wish someone would tell us.

    Also, does Sister Christine explain the almost total absence of radicalisation in other minority groups who have genuine beef with the authority, the politicians, media etc. who feel they are being sidelined, ignored in the mad rush to please another.

  • Guest

    what happens if the like northern Cyprus where the churches where

  • Guest

    at

  • Bonkim

    Great work Sister – but get the Bangladeshis to have fewer children, and educate themselves and move out of their Ghettos. The second and third generation are paying the price of their backward and illiterate parents.

  • Anthorny

    An incomprehensibly rubbish article from the Spectator.

    Take just this point:

    Their anger is also fed by the deprivation in which they live. ‘Housing is the worst problem here,’

    But they are getting the housing FOR FREE along with everything else!

    That doesn’t happen back home in Pakistan or anywhere else in the Muslim world.

    So any “guest” who is getting the free housing and welfare benefits and feels deprived knows what they can do instead; GO HOME!

  • Eagle eye

    There is no real answer as to why these radical nutters decide to go and join other radical nutters and start beheading people.
    Housing is the problem? No it’s not.
    They feel isolated and different because they are muslim? Well they have CHOSEN to remain apart from the people of the country they have immigrated to. Those born here are just as insular.
    We need to curb the immigration to this country.
    Known terrorists should automatically be refused entry and deported back to the country they have come from. They forfeit their “human rights” the minute they joined these murderous jihadis.
    Anyone who goes and joins the jihad is obviously anti-British and therefore treasonous and an enemy of our country. They should be REFUSED re-entry into the UK. They are obviously coming back as terrorists and the stupid government CONTINUE to allow them in with the “yes, we’re keeping an eye on them ” shyte they continue to spew for fear of being labelled racists by the looney lefty do-gooders.
    Stand up BRITAIN! Stop being a doormat for these people and others like them.

    • Simon Fay

      “There is no real answer as to why these radical nutters decide to go and
      join other radical nutters and start beheading people.”

      Someone like David Attenborough could probably explain it better than most of the commentariat.

  • Rod Webb

    These arrogant, violent and hpocritical people really need to repatriate themselves back to their country of origin. They are clearly incompatible with an open society spanning 1600 years of history. They earn money in this country, live off our freedoms but then conspire to provoke us. Go home Muslims your not British.

  • whs1954

    Yuk. I live in Tower Hamlets and I vaguely know Christine Frost. She was a nun in the area at about the time of ‘Call the Midwife’ – and thinks herself the role model for the TV series – she was defrocked (or whatever the nun equivalent is) by the church, but still insists on calling herself Sister. The OP seems to have been taken in by this.

    For some reason she has squatter status in St Matthias Old Church on Poplar High Street. I remember strolling in there about the time of the trustafarian Occupy protests by St Paul’s. Christine had erected a tent inside the church, and a sign attached to it read “I threw the moneylenders out of the temple”. That shows you all you need to know about Christine Frost and her socialist perversion of the Christian message of charity.

    To my face she has defended a Bangladeshi youth who she knew to be a thief, and refused to report him to the police, because “he’s such a good boy, really, and has such a poor home life; we wouldn’t want him in trouble again”.

    It’s touching she should feel sympathy for the Bengalis of the Will Crooks Estate because they’re poor, but perhaps she could consider that they are laughing at her as she runs herself ragged putting on clubs and events for them, How many reciprocate that help when it comes to take the elderly Cockneys to Southend?

    • Simon Fay

      Thanks for the inside track on this hand-wringing stuff.

  • liam

    She’s well-meaning and humane, but hopelessly naive.

    • Mike

      Good for her to remove that flag, but she is an innocent in all of this unlike the professionals at Rotherham and even the apologist director of Barnados.

  • William_Brown

    Really, no, REALLY bored with the disaffected youth argument. One of our recent exports to IS had three offers of study at three universities to study medicine with a view to becoming a doctor. Poor disaffected thing.

    • Mike

      Of course it has nothing to do with disaffected youth. The two terrorist who tried to blow up Glasgow Airport were doctors for goodness sakes, not deprived men.

  • rubes love

    And I wonder who championed the original cockneys when they were being driven out of their ancestral homes. It’s little wonder the older white cockneys feel isolated when their kinfolk and fellow cockneys have been swapped for a different culture and peoples. Are they making excuses to go rampaging on the other side of the world? Are they hell, they meekly move over and get called racist and worse if they dare complain about giving their homelands over.

  • cartimandua

    The persecution complex is innate to honour shame cultures and to Islam which is externalizing rather than reflective.
    Its not the “West” which makes IS murder men women and children or murder women probably because they objected to being raped.
    Fault lies with weak Lefty anti establishment media who do not counter all the lies and myths .

  • cartimandua

    If Muslims are disadvantaged (and that is debatable) its because no one can make up for having an above average family size. No one can make up for having one or both parents verging on the illiterate.

    • Mike

      In breeding creates medical and mental problems that disadvantages whole communities. The west learned that a long time ago and even in a remote Australian valley and the Pitcairn Islands there’s been reports of similar problems with in-breeding. Someone needs to explain this to them !

  • Augustus

    “…forget theology or even the prestige which comes from being a warrior…”

    Whether we like it or not, war has been declared against Christians, Jews and all Western civilization. We can either sit back and do nothing, and allow a Christian genocide that has already started (and curiously doesn’t seem to bother much of the press) and end up losing our Christian culture and heritage to radical Islam, or we blow them straight to Hell.

    • GraveDave

      These remarks were apparently made by Swinton, then the preeminent New York journalist, probably one night in 1880. Swinton was the guest of honour at a banquet given him by the leaders of his craft. Someone who knew neither the press nor Swinton offered a toast to the independent press. Swinton outraged his colleagues by replying:

      There is no such thing, at this date of the world’s history, in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it.

      There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone.

      The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press?

      We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes.

      (Source: Labor’s Untold Story, by Richard O. Boyer and Herbert M. Morais, published by United Electrical, Radio & Machine Workers of America, NY, 1955/1979.)

    • Mike

      I vote for the second option !

      • Augustus

        Here’s a little look at what life’s like in Raqqa, the Syrian town which is now the apparent capital of the IS Caliphate. Women are confronted by the religious police if they don’t wear their black veils, or show any light through them, stores have to close several times a day for prayers, smoking is banned. thieves have their hands chopped off, people often get whipped in public, women get stoned, and opponents of the regime are crucified in public squares. It makes you wonder what IS has planted in young peoples heads to drive them to be part of this madness, while normal Syrians have been desperately trying to leave.

        • Mike

          I’ll say it again, there is no such thing as moderate or radical Islam just as there is no such thing as moderate or radical Christianity.

          There are just religions called Islam and Christianity, Judaism, Hindu etc. You judge the whole including any barbaric elements when its carried out in the name of that religion.

          • Augustus

            Political Islam, in all its forms of Islamic terrorism, is different from traditional terrorism in that the essence of its revolutionary objective isn’t merely interested in any particular regime changes. It’s revolutionary objective is nothing less than to create a worldwide Islamic caliphate in which the whole of humanity itself must bend to its will and its laws. Until this extreme religious Fascism becomes a redundant or lost cause we will always be at war with Islam.

  • Finally, a decent article in the Spectator.
    “Sister Christine’s point is that a feeling of persecution makes a young man ripe for radicalisation.”
    I hope the Spectator realises its own culpability in this regard by giving the oxygen of publicity to people who stir up racist hatred for ideological reasons like Douglas Murray.

    • Augustus

      Radical Islam is not soothed by weakness, apology and appeasement, it is emboldened by it.

    • Mike

      Far more racial hatred is stirred up by what happened at Rotherham which in themselves were racially motivated crimes.

      If PC fascism had been squashed at the outset instead of being promoted by Labour, the majority of these girls could have been saved from gang rape and the totally understandable backlash against a culture that inspires these sorts of behavior would not have happened. The community leaders of that culture are to blame as they haven’t set any moral standards for their young men and the social services & police are to blame for not implementing the laws of the land.

      If you let kids get away with minor misdemeanors, they’ll push the envelope, equally these men in Rotherham knew they could get away with these acts and they pushed the envelope.

      Where were their community leaders telling them right from wrong, where were the SS and the police ?

      If you believe reporting facts is racialist, then suppressing hate crimes like this is just as much a hate crime as the act of suppression that was racially motivated.

  • global city

    Sister Fisk?

  • Mike

    Too simplistic, for centuries there’s always been an underclass in all countries that one can say are deprived and its still true today. Most but not all ethnic groups including the white majority have an underclass and vulnerable kids both male and female but the end result couldn’t be any more different when comparing young Muslim men, white or black deprived men and white or black girls.

    White & Black young men will mostly turn to crime and drugs. Black gangs will occasionally end up raping a black girl whilst we’ve now seen that underage vulnerable white girls will be taken advantage of and sexually abused by men from one specific culture. Young Muslim men who feel they are in the under class and want to rebel will generally resort to becoming Jihadists or join a sex grooming cartel.

    It is not due to lack of housing or food it is all to do with their culture, a ethnic society that shows no correct leadership or control, and uneducated individuals easily radicalized by hate preachers like Anjem Chowdary.

  • Mitzi

    She is a good person but even this type of people who see good in everyone sometimes get it wrong. There have always been poor and poor housing but we didn’t look to go and kill people in the most beastial way. I do believe there are a lot of good Muslims as with any race but we have to put into perspective that there are also bad ones who look for any violence then cry they are hard done to and that’s why they are like they are. Who could have been poorer than a lot of people after WW11 we were badly housed under fed and in a sorry state but we survived and most I remember had a good life by hard graft and the spirit not seen today.

    • Augustus

      “I do believe there are a lot of good Muslims as with any race….”

      Apart from the fact that Muslims, as with Christians, are not from any one particular ethnic group, it’s not difficult to understand that IS(IS) is only an extreme implementation of Islamic rules and laws. The Koran, the Hadiths, Sharia, and countless fatwas, all contain plenty of instructions how to wage Islamic war/Jihad. Even the Prophet Mohammed’s own mission in life was to conquer the world and to dominate other tribes and cultures. Islam is, therefore, basically a conquering ideology. This may try to be denied by many liberals in the West, but anyone who has studied it knows what Islam is truly about. It stands for subjugation and domination of others (the unbelievers). And of all those unbelievers, women, in particular, come out of it worst.

  • Diggery Whiggery

    A great way to create cohesion would be to encourage as many of them to leave as possible to create their utopian caliphate, then revoke their citizenship and drop a large bomb on the place. Or is that too extreme.

  • John Smith

    Hate breeds hate, the more the British hate Muslims the more they will hate us, by pouring out bile about Muslims the British are helping to recruit jihadists.

    • Innit Bruv

      Good point!!!!

  • Robert Shepard

    Victimized? Sorry, I wasnt aware that groups of white men were abducting asian children, raping and abusing them, and passing them around for money. What good muslims, right?

  • Alf

    You should never stand up for Muslims.

  • artemis in france

    Chippy Irishwoman défends chippy muslim youths. She’s an elderly lady and hopefully will not iive to see the day when the Islamists come for the infidèl. First it’ll be the Jews, then the white indigenous population (gays first) and then they’ll start picking on the Shias or Sunnis that they don’t like. By this time, Britain will look more like downtown Islamabad during a particularly bad winter. It’ll be either convert of die. What a future the Blair créature has presented Britain with.

  • Terry Field

    Cause and effect reversed in this article. Muslims fail economically because they do not integrate. They live in slums because they do not succeed economically, when compared to the other groups. Then the failure cycle becomes symbiotic.
    Certainly the deprivation is a propellant to disaffection, but I understand the identified beheader of the US journalist had parents who had a pleasant house in a reasonable London suburb,
    ( I consider London to be one vast slum, with bits that have gilding applied, but the place is a matter of taste).
    The nun seeks a rational cause that her kind nature can correct. Yet her own beliefs point to the existence of absolute evil.
    There is absolute evil here – and its name for most of the British now, most certainly, is Islam.
    The issues are now concerning the acceptability of Islam in any form in a western multi-cultural liberal democracy.
    The killing has had a further spicy mix added – the probable mass rape of possibly hundreds of thousands of poor English ‘kufar’ victims all around the country where islamic communities and concentrations of Labour officials can be found.
    The good and gentle nun has not identified absolute evil.
    That is her error here.

  • Tenis

    Sister Christine is an amazing person. I think Will Crooks (another amazing person) who the estate is named after would be incredibly proud of the work she is doing in the area. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Crooks

    • cromwell

      Rubbish she no doubt agrees that rape victims in Ireland should be banned from terminating the offspring of the rape. Just as bad as ISIS.

  • cromwell

    Muslims or Catholics dangerous religious nutters all as the Irish abortion case has just reminded us, religion has no place in a secular democracy.

  • whs1954

    The Spec appear to have censored my comment – so they can have it again. If they censor it again they will have it again and again until the fact Christine Frost is a craven dhimmi, and the fact the Spec should be working against Islamisation of any inch of British soil, sinks in.

    “Yuk. I live in Tower Hamlets and I vaguely know Christine Frost. She was a nun in the area at about the time of ‘Call the Midwife’ – and thinks herself the role model for the TV series – she was defrocked (or whatever the nun equivalent is) by the church, but still insists on calling herself Sister. The OP seems to have been taken in by this.

    For some reason she has squatter status in St Matthias Old Church on Poplar High Street. I remember strolling in there about the time of the trustafarian Occupy protests by St Paul’s. Christine had erected a tent inside the church, and a sign attached to it read “I threw the moneylenders out of the temple”. That shows you all you need to know about Christine Frost and her socialist perversion of the Christian message of charity.

    To my face she has defended a Bangladeshi youth who she knew to be a thief, and refused to report him to the police, because “he’s such a good boy, really, and has such a poor home life; we wouldn’t want him in trouble again”.

    It’s touching she should feel sympathy for the Bengalis of the Will Crooks Estate because they’re poor, but perhaps she could consider that they are laughing at her as she runs herself ragged putting on clubs and events for them, How many reciprocate that help when it comes to take the elderly Cockneys to Southend?”

  • kittydeer

    Sorry sister, your action was very brave but I personally think you are speaking rubbish. Many of the people who have not mastered the language have come to the UK and even though they live in appalling conditions it is almost certainly miles better than what they left behind. A Christian nun should first and foremost proclaim the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Nothing on this earth can justify a human being desiring to behead another human being.

  • Jaysonrex

    With all due respect, this article is just one more monumental B.S. that tries to explain the unexplainable and justify what should never be justified – not by normal people.
    Sister Christine Frost feels that Catholics should support Hamas terrorists who are expected to finish the job that Adolf started with so much pathos in 1940. In other words, a new Holocaust promoted by Catholics but implemented by Muslims as their proxies.
    Apparently, the “Palestinian Circus” now has the Catholic clergy as main promoters and supporters.
    When the UN decided in 1947 to split the remaining 7% of the Jewish Land that has not been given by the Brits to the Arabs in exchange for “special political and financial considerations”, thus reneging on the Balfour Declaration, the Arabs rejected the plan and invaded Cisjordan with the stated intention of killing ALL its Jewish inhabitants. To this very day, apparently nothing really changed.
    This is why Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, etc. and etc. and etc. have been officially declared terrorist organizations by the US government. Any agreement with these demented Islamists is ephemeral. Presently there is an “open-end” ceasefire in Gaza that will terminate when Hamas decides that the time has come to fire more rockets at Israel.
    Americans will never forget 9/11. Maybe the Brits will do likewise with respect to 7/7 – unless their memory is rather short, as it often is.
    The Sister will enjoy her 15 minutes of “notoriety” and then she will be forgotten until another Sister or Father will come along trying to play the very same game, with or without Vatican’s approval.

  • mandelson

    Sorry sister the usual left liberal white guilt platitudes are not the answer nor any justification for what this ungrateful scum are doing.

  • Paolo Moleman

    Will she stand up to the Pakistan rapists of Christian English children? I doubt it. Useless. Where was the church. Any church in protecting these innocent English children?

    Syrians have it correct where Muslims including Hezbollah stood up for Syrian Christians and all Syrians.

    This as Obama, Dave-Milliband, EU, the Saudis, Turkey try to murder more Syrians.

  • Augustus

    This from CNN:

    “As the radical Islamist group strengthens its hold on this huge swath of land in the heart of the Middle East, it is cramming its warped ideas into minds that are often too young to understand. Mohammed, whose name has been changed out of fears for his safety, was one of them. He has now fled to safety in Turkey, but was just 13 when ISIS said he should attend one of their children’s camps in northern Syria.
    “My friends and I were studying at the mosque, and they taught us that we should enrol in jihad with the [Islamic State],” Mohammed told CNN. “I wanted to go, but my father did not allow me to.” When ISIS found out that Mohammed’s father had prevented him from attending, the militants sent a patrol to their house. “[They told me] ‘if you prevent Mohammed from coming to the camp, we will cut off your head,'” his father, who declined to be named for this story, told CNN.

    So off Mohammed went to the camp. “For 30 days we woke up and jogged, had breakfast, then learned the Quran and the Hadith of the Prophet,” Mohammed says. “Then we took courses on weapons, Kalashnikovs and other light military stuff.” Some of the militants at the camp were kind, joking and laughing with the younger recruits. Others made the boys watch hideous things. “They used to bring young [kids] to the camp to lash them,” Mohammed says. “When we go to the mosque, they order us to come the next day at a specific time and place to [watch] heads cut off, lashings or stonings. We saw a young man who did not fast for Ramadan, so they crucified him for three days, and we saw a woman being stoned [to death] because she committed adultery.”

    Mohammed says he understood some of the lessons taught at the camp — like the importance of prayer and fasting — but didn’t understand words like “infidels,” and why he should fight them. The boys would take oaths of allegiance to ISIS’ leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, and were considered ready to fight once they completed the religious and military courses taught at the camp. Mohammed’s father, terrified for his son, tried to visit him several times, but was turned back by guards who told him that the boy wasn’t there, or on patrol somewhere else. “He is only a child, they might make him a suicide bomber and [convince him] that will be in paradise and stuff like that,” he said. Despite his fears, Mohammed’s father expressed doubt that the militants’ lessons would truly stick in his son’s mind. “How can a child like that be convinced? Where is the conviction in that? He is a child, it’s not possible,” he said. “He just saw his friends and kids his age went to the camp, so he wanted to go with them for entertainment. They thought war and guns were entertainment.”
    Mohammed’s father was eventually able to pull him out of the camp, and the family fled to Turkey.”

    http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/28/world/meast/syria-isis-atrocities-boy/index.html

  • Bonzo

    So, Jane, would you have written: “In the nave, large, lumpy brown folk were preparing for a wedding reception, though the area is now largely Bangladeshi.”?

  • Cincinnatus

    The fact that most European jihadists are from middle class backgrounds (and a surprising number are doctors) contradicts the notion that “Their anger is also fed by the deprivation in which they live.

  • Cincinnatus

    The persecution complex began, she says, when Tony Blair led the UK into war in Iraq, but now it’s mainly linked with Israeli attacks on Gaza. ‘There is a sense of victimhood, and they have a narrow vision,’ she says.

    We are to believe that immigrants to the UK from Bangladesh are motivated to become suicide bombers and beheaders in Syria because Israel chose to respond to rocket attacks from Gaza. I wouldn’t call that “narrow vision”.

  • I_Hate_radicalism

    London will become an Islamic city soon. Yuhooo!!

    • I_Hate_radicalism

      Demography has already changed. Best of luck!!

  • Bilbo Baggins

    In related news, we find that Obama’s 1/2 brother, Malik, is active in the Muslim Brotherhood and is now on a terrorist watch-list in Egypt: http://shoebat.com/2013/09/05/obamas-brother-headed-for-egypts-terror-watch-list/

  • Abberfieldy’s Bodor

    i love willcrooks xxxx

  • anthonysokolsky

    i live in tower hamlets and i am sick to the back teeth of woman hiding their evil faces under a black rag and loud mouthed bearded twats and those that slag off the only true democracy in the middle east if they feel disenchanted then they should simply sod off and take anjem 10 biryani bellies choudhary with them

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