Rod Liddle

Why should Nigel Farage have to fight the ghost of Enoch Powell?

The Murnaghan Show's ambush of the Ukip leader continues a dishonourable tradition

11 January 2014

9:00 AM

11 January 2014

9:00 AM

One of the genuine seasonal pleasures to be enjoyed as 2013 slipped around the U-bend was Enoch Powell making his familiar comeback as the Evil Ghost of Christmases Past. Enoch was disinterred by the producers of the hitherto un-noticed Murnaghan Show — presumably in order to frighten the viewers and put a spanner in the wheel of the programme’s principal guest interviewee, the Ukip leader Nigel Farage.

Dermot Murnaghan tripped up Mr Farage by the devilishly clever tactic of reading him some anodyne quotes from Powell’s exciting and controversial ‘Rivers of Blood’ speech and asking Farage if he agreed with them. But only later did he reveal that they were the words of the sulphurous Antichrist Powell! Brilliant. The quote Murnaghan used was about how mass immigration had led people to consider themselves strangers in their own neighbourhoods and placed a bit of a strain on local infrastructure. Farage, like I suspect a good 60 per cent of the population, nodded along in agreement, and the trap was sprung. Ha! You love Enoch, you do. You probably want to marry him.

A terrific ploy. They must take it further. When David Cameron is a guest on the Murnaghan Show, Dermot should ask him if he agrees with the following: ‘As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have a duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.’ And when the Prime Minister says yep, that’s me, down to the bone, Dermot can pounce: ‘Hitler said that! You’re Hitler, you are.’ And for Nick Clegg: ‘I’m quite modest. I don’t want to tell people I’m a leader.’ That’s Pol Pot! Nick’s Pol Pot! Maybe if they have Archbishop Welby on one day they can ask him if he agrees with this: ‘Man is subject to certain desires and needs which are as natural to his being as they are to that of any other animal.’ And then reveal that it comes from the head of Stalin’s NKVD, Laventiy Beria, you evil episcopal bastard, who do you think you’re fooling with this love and peace rubbish? You want to eliminate enemies of the state in a dark basement.


And so Nigel Farage got Enoched, good and proper. It has been a sticky two or three months for the chap, with his own poll ratings and those of his party slipping inexorably, it would seem, downwards. The press has unearthed plenty of fruitcakes within Ukip and Farage has suffered the further indignity of watching the Prime Minister pretending to be him and sounding all tough on the issue of immigration. If Cameron actually did something about immigration, then it might well spell the end of Ukip, but I don’t suppose there’s a chance in hell of that.

Meanwhile, though, Enoch got a run out in the press once again and the usual idiocies were flung about. One commentator, noticing that there had not been ‘rivers of blood’ in the UK as a consequence of immigration (so that’s all right, then: everything’s tickety-boo) announced that whatever the problems with immigration, Powell’s speech was not the place to begin a debate on the subject, because Powell was wrong about loads of people being killed, etc.

This is either disingenuous or downright stupid, I can’t work out which. Enoch Powell’s speech in which, grandiosely and foolishly, he conjured up the River Tiber foaming with blood, is never, ever, used as a starting point for a debate on immigration. It is used exclusively as a mean of closing down any sort of debate on immigration, which is exactly what Murnaghan was up to. Simply to raise the spectre of Powell is enough to end the argument: you’re saying what Powell said, so not only are you wrong, you’re also a bigot and a racist and you should be sacked and maybe the Old Bill should get involved too. You may remember the case of Nigel Hastilow, a prospective Tory candidate for Halesowen and Rowley Regis, who was forced to resign when he wrote a newspaper column in which he used the words ‘Enoch was right’. Mr Hastilow didn’t himself say that ‘Enoch was right’, he said that increasing numbers of voters in his patch were of the opinion that ‘Enoch was right’. So you don’t even have to say yourself that Enoch was right, it is enough to get you sacked simply to have noticed that some other people think that Enoch was right.

Farage ultimately contented himself with the notion that Powell’s basic principles, regarding immigration, were correct. Quite why we have to drag the poor old hound up whenever people are becoming vociferous about the vast and monumentally damaging influx of immigrants over the past 15 years is a mystery, unless it is simply to quell anxiety by making such sentiments samizdat. The immigration about which Powell got himself worked up numbered less than 50,000 across several years: we have perhaps ten times that amount in a single year. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that, at the very best, the economy receives a brief spurt as a consequence of this inward migration, and certainly in the short term some businesses benefit. But that’s about it; in the long term it is financially and socially ruinous, even if the rivers are not perpetually foaming with blood, but do so only occasionally.

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  • Two Bob

    Why dont you hold a poll asking people if they agree with what Mr Powell said?

    • bwims

      Yes! Shame Rod has to show his bias by slurring UKIP. In all other respects, his posts are generally refreshing.

    • David Kay

      Rod is indeed out of touch with reality when it comes to the success of UKIP as his article shows. Take yesterdays local council by election where UKIP took Haverhill East from the Tories

      UKIP 54.0%
      Lab 24.5%
      Cons 16.0%
      L Dem 5.5%

      Not that the media report on UKIPs success.

      • mikewaller

        To avoid any suggestion of biased reporting, please furnish the turnout figures.

        • David Kay

          i expect the turnout was low as it is in most local elections, but thats not an excuse not to report it. UKIP also won another by election on the same day, cant remember where though, with over 60% of the vote.

          remember, for every vote the LibLabCon artists get, a really cute puppy dies, 2 proper cute n cudley kittens die, and an angel cries in heaven

          Love your country – vote UKIP
          Hate your country and love Europe – vote LibLabCon Artists

          • global city

            and for every vote any of those three you make in the May EU elections you get a Europhile MEP who will beaver away undermining your political rights.

      • global city

        I wonder how many extra points Murnaghan’s attempted character assassination added onto that result for UKIP?

        • Cornelius Bonkers

          A dozen hopefully

    • The BBC Sucks BBCs

      In the guardian article about the story I commented that Enoch Powell was the greatest PM we never had & that had he & not Heath been PM in 1970 Britain would be in much better shape than today, it got over 150 recommends in the Guardian!

    • Sebastian Monroe

      I’ve only just found this article but since you posted this comment 1 year ago, the establishment keep telling us that UKIP support is dipping even after the election.

      Ironically UKIP are the 3rd largest party in politics with 4 million votes.

  • Hippograd

    There is plenty of evidence to suggest that, at the very best, the
    economy receives a brief spurt as a consequence of this inward
    migration, and certainly in the short term some businesses benefit.

    A brief spurt if you don’t counting the crime and the drink-driving. If you do count those, even high-IQ immigrants like Poles are not good for the economy, tho’ they are good for transferring money from the white British middle-class to the bosses. And they’re certainly not good for Britain’s culture and sense of nationhood. One might almost suspect that New Labour had roots in some kind of ideology that hated the UK. And the Heir to Blair doesn’t seem to be too concerned about reversing New Labour’s legacy.

    Mandelson on his communist days

    Interviewed by writer and broadcaster David Aaronovitch…

    • disqus_KdiRmsUO4U

      Since it is now established that due to mass immigration income for certain sectors of society has gone down and since I believe income is a factor positively correlated with GDP I wonder whether the spurt in fact is/was an inconsequential dribble or even a figment of an idealist’s imagination.

      • Alexsandr

        GDP is irrelevant. what we need is GD per capita or perhaps GDP per household.
        And ‘Net migration’ is another useless number. We need separate stats for immigration and emigration. Anything else is a smokescreen.

        • global city

          unless someone comes to this country and establishes a business they do not increase economic activity. The economy will have already created the job that they take. If they had not arrived here then someone already resident )possibly from the dole queue) would have taken the job.

          The benefit angle is a complete fallacy.

          • Tom M

            Interesting point. I watched Nick Robinson’s documentary on immigration the other night and saw this Bangladeshi retaurateur complaining, because of visa restrictions, he couldn’t bring proper Bangladeshi chefs into the UK for his business. “Can’t anybody in the UK be trained to do this” I thought.
            Nick now interviews second generation unemployed Bangladeshis asking them if they would consider training as a chef for the restaurateur. “No” they said “that sort of work is beneath us”.
            So I conclude the more immigrants you have the more you need.

          • John Standley

            The sort of cuisine involved hardly involves much culinary skill – it’s the sort of stuff I can and do produce at home.
            Much as I like such food, it’s no exactly haute cuisine.

          • mikewaller

            Why not carry out a naturalistic experiment for us? Approach a suitable restaurant and ask the owner if you can work in his kitchen for a week and then let us know the outcome. Evan Davis produced a brilliant TV programme about 2 years ago in which he had about a dozen immigrants stand aside and let locals do their jobs for a couple of weeks. With the exception of a British carpenter who had previously worked in Germany, it was an absolute disaster and that included the 4 young people who agreed to work in an Asian restaurant, though, in the event, only two actually turned up.

          • John Standley

            Non sequitur.

          • mikewaller

            Nonsense. You told us that Asian cuisine was so simple that you routinely produced it in your own kitchen. So I suggested that your prove your point by actually working in an Asian restaurant for a short period and then let us know how you got on. It may be impractical, inconvenient or too stern a test for you to undertake; but it clearly “follows” from your assertion.

          • John Standley

            From non sequitur to sophistry.

          • mikewaller

            I think you have shot your mouth off and are trying to wriggle out of it – but let others decide.

          • John Standley

            Now Ad Hominem. I have made a comment about culinary skills. You are replying to non-existent perceived comment about motivation in the workplace. Your remarks are apparently based on what you assumed I said and not what I actually said.
            You have attributed a sentiment to me which I have not stated or even hold. How you can come to this illogical conclusion is bizarre.
            As for “wriggling out” I suggest your “let others decide” is your own wriggling out – you are doing what you accuse me of and taking the coward’s way out.
            If your comments are genuine, then you need help – if not, I assume you are a wind-up merchant.
            BTW, I can also cook fish and chips – do I have to work in a chip shop to prove this?
            For a man of you age, you’re displaying some unhealthyily juvenile tendencies.

          • mikewaller

            As always, I simply tell the truth as I see it. You informed us that there was no need to bring skilled Asian restaurant workers as you can do all that they can do in your kitchen. Having actually seen a programme in which four white workers conspicuously failed in just that task, I suggested that you prove your point by getting a week’s work in just such a restaurant. You then started blathering on a about non sequiturs and sophistry, neither of which were in any sense applicable. That is why “wriggling out” seemed to me the only plausible explanation. All I can now do is to invite anybody else wasting their time reading all this to express their view as to what has passed between us.

          • John Standley

            You’ve misquoted me again and drawn an inaccurate inference.

          • mikewaller

            Could be that some part of “No” they said “that sort of work is beneath us”, is to be accounted for by what they pick up from locals. I have direct knowledge of a young doctor who on asking a nurse to deal with a patient who had been sick, received the reply: “I’m a graduate, I don’t do sick”. Better grounding all our youngsters in the new realities would go a long way towards making the employment of non-natives a far less attractive option. Unfortunately politicians and the media will kick anybody other than the great British parent.

          • Simon Fay

            “So I conclude the more immigrants you have the more you need.”

            A nice precis of the Human Ponzi scheme that is reconstituting Britain as another place of the same name.

          • James Lovelace

            “”Can’t anybody in the UK be trained to do this” I thought. ”

            In Britain 50% of muslim men are unemployed, and 75% of muslim women. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8054403/Britains-coping-classes-at-breaking-point.html

            Muslims just use the supposed shortage of staff as a ruse to bring in more relatives. Most of the Bengalis in Tower Hamlets come from one small area of Bangladesh.

      • outraged

        Almost everybody suffered. Look at the number of decent service and office jobs which were bastardised and transferred to India, artisan jobs bastardised and transferred to China, professional jobs bastardised and given away to unskilled asians mislabelled as skilled.

        Politicians brainwashed Brits to believing that they are giving away only the jobs that cannot be filled. That is a lie designed to impoverish middle class.

    • outraged

      “they are good for transferring money from the white British middle-class to the bosses.” – scapegoating and stereotyping.

      British middle class is being impoverished by Indian and Chinese Tycoons who facilitate removal of British professionals from good jobs after they had trained unskilled Indians imported here on Inter Company Transfer thus eliminating the need for training British graduates ever again. Experienced out – graduates barred from entry level. Unskilled Indians mislabelled as Skilled in. And you will be interested to learn that companies such as RBS and Lloyds are paying over £400 pounds per day per person for years on end.

      Brits may be guilty of unfair stereotyping of good people who are somehow vulnerable – even their own youngsters. For instance over and over and over I hear claims that English graduates are worse than Indians and Chinese and therefore UK have no choice but to import Indians with fake degrees and no discernible skills or qualities to take all good jobs. Or GB will be doomed, doomed as a nation!

      Indians on the other hand have very high opinion about themselves and brainwashed into believing that they are the ‘best and brightest’ while all white people are stupid. Which makes their job performance even worse because they do not even realise how bad they are.

      I do not even mention bastardised artisan jobs performed currently by de facto slave labour in China.

      Lie, lie, lie! Spin and Propaganda.

      • John Border

        You should have gone to a Scottish Uni if you went at all. The best in the world, chump.

    • Cornelius Bonkers

      Aaronovitch mmm, now there’s another one of them. Do you think they are all lefty masons? They are certainly conspiring against the rest of us who want a coherent national community sharing a democratic culture. They all seem to think that freedom means bending the knee to the freedom of those who daily work to end ours – obviously Muslims…They seem not to have grasped that in our kind of society religion is a private matter – not something which should displace the state/nation

      • John Border

        Another crazed drool from Binkers.

        • Cornelius Bonkers

          Yo JB,
          Again, your remarks are very cryptic. They don’t help me come to terms with the essence of your criticism. If I’m to benefit from your erudition I’ll need more than you have so far offered.
          All the best, blinkers

          • John Border

            Try this – keep on tampering with your todger. As long as it’s your own.

          • Cornelius Bonkers

            Yo JB,
            OK, Why is self abuse an issue here? What has it to do with Enoch Powell, immigration, and the other serious issues raised?
            I’m at a loss
            Regards

          • John Border

            1; Dont address anyone civilised as ‘yo’ It’s forking disgusting Chicago black underclass crim speak.

            2 The self abuse is all yours.

            3 You say you’re at a loss – I’ve always known that.

            4 Dont ever wear a US baseball cap back to front. Or you will meet Sadamm Hussain’s fate, and deservedly.

          • Cornelius Bonkers

            Oh dear, still no comment or insight. Are you what they call a troll? Luckily I don’t share your prejudice against Baltimore street speak, or self-abuse come to that. And if I am at a loss why not say why? And Sadaam’s fate/baseball caps? I’m not sure I get this.
            Best regards as usual

          • John Border

            You’re well known as a troll on other sites and here..

            Dont ape American ways.

            I’m not surprised you dont get the cap stuff. You are so dim.

          • Cornelius Bonkers

            Oh! OK. I give up. You ARE a troll…well, well, it was an interesting encounter – so thanks!

          • John Border

            ‘Oh! OK. I give up. I am a troll…well, well, it was an interesting encounter – so thanks!’

            I always knew it.

          • Cornelius Bonkers

            Er, yes!

          • John Border

            Encore une fois, tu frappe ta viande!

          • Cornelius Bonkers

            Yes, very good. But surely and with all due respect I’m not the only wan..r here. You have to concede that unlike your own “efforts” at least my bishop-bashing has some dignity!!!

          • John Border

            Yes, respect. Good.

            Your todger tampering is the most horrible thing to imagine in the world. There you are, sitting in a shed in the garden beating away fruitlessly, with your tongue sticking out of the side of your mouth. Ugh!

          • Cornelius Bonkers

            Indeed!

  • Cornelius Bonkers

    Well, it just shows the desperation that’s infected the political parties and the liberal fundamentalists of the Norf London media left. I think the time has come for YOU Rod to make an even-handed TV programme to be shown on ITV at prime time so “ordinary folk” can hear the whole truth about the “Rivers of Blood” speech and the man. UKIP will be responsible for Jim Crow and for Mark Duggan’s “murder” next…Free speech has been strangled by those who know they have made a mistake of historical proportions – multiculturalism – by the pursuit of an ideology which has wrecked the homeostasis of everyday life…

    • disqus_KdiRmsUO4U

      Cant remember where but in the last day or two I saw Jack ( there is no such thing as Englishness) Straw blinking in the media spotlight and blaming civil servants for the debacle over immigrants from Poland.

      • Alexsandr

        bad workman blames his tools…

      • Cornelius Bonkers

        Well, Jack Straw, there’s a piece of s..t if ever I clapped eyes on one. A “career” over 40 years based entirely on running with the hares and hunting with the hounds. Oh, and just for good measure shopping his own son to the law for a bit of blow. I can’t believe how these people get away with it. In another life Straw would (deservedly) be shacked-up on Benefits Street. He really is SO stupid that it never occurred to him what a laughing stock he has always been…

        • John Border

          ‘He really is SO stupid that it never occurred to him what a laughing stock he has always been.’

          Oh yes, Bunkers, oh yes!

      • sarahsmith232

        Check his answer on the reason why the mistake they made was so damaging ‘because it damages trust in government’. Translation – ‘because it damaged US in government. . . the rest of society, on the other, well, obviously, no reason at all to think it was in any way damaging, because as we all carry on saying – only racists object to immigration’.
        Check Blunket’s justification in the same doc’ ‘we did the right thing, we were on the side of the angels’.
        What????
        These people are borderline suffering from a mental illness, brought on by wholehearted belief in their messianic birthright.

        • disqus_KdiRmsUO4U

          If blind unthinking fly in the face of experience optimism can be called a mental illness then I agree.
          One other explanation is stupidity.

          ‘Softy ‘ liberals when addressing a socio/political problem first look inwards to see what they perceive SHOULD be possible in a perfect world.
          it follows that since the world most definitely is not perfect their solutions will fail.

          In fact in just the last 50 years conflict based on race , tribalism and religion has been almost the norm
          Such has been true over recorded history.

          Softy liberals disregard this and believe once their preferred solution is applied all will be well.
          If they get political power they invariably make things worse.

          in the UK we see Islamic fanaticism, educational standards for the masses lowered despite enormous expenditure increases, increased crime rates especially gun/knife and mugging family break down and welfare dependency..
          Don’t’ forget the deceit used to hand over UK sovereignty to the EU.

          Who applied the policies that brought all these things about ?
          It most certainly was not hard line right wingers.

          None of what I have written is meant to be a criticism of the liberal ideas based on practical compassionate analysis that brought about major social progress from the mid 19th century.

          The equivalent right wing madness is hard line nationalistic jingoistic corporate militarism..

      • Bob339

        Good old Jack Stroh playing the old jewish game of passing the blame.

    • John Border

      Oh no! it’s quasimodo again – oh the bells, the bells!

  • disqus_KdiRmsUO4U

    What i found amusing is that it reveals that those who think they have undermined Farage are completely totally and absolutely out of touch with public sentiment on immigration

    Powell’s views as do Farage’s command overwhelming public support.

    • outraged

      From what I heard from his so far Farage is a moral heir of Hitler’s ideology in at least a few critical aspects rather than Powell’s.

      • disqus_KdiRmsUO4U

        hehehehehehehehehe
        what kind of fool ru

        you ought to be ashamed of yourself posting such drivel !

      • Bill_der_Berg

        But for some reason you are quite unable to identify the ‘few critical aspects’?

      • Trofim

        You mean he likes listening to Wagner while eating nut cutlets?

        • global city

          I believe that he’s fond of dogs as well.

      • global city

        can you list them?

        I am sure that we would all like to be similarly enlightened like you have been.

        • Bob339

          Please do not overtax outrage. His IQ is only 14. He cannot think at all unless someone tells him what he is supposed to be thinking.

          • outraged

            14 you say? Still higher than the average IQ of the UKiP supporter.

          • Michele Keighley

            And there folks, you have your answer. No facts – just blind fanaticism. That is the order of the opposition. Luckily the quiet man and women in the street can see through this blind belief and judge the heart of the matter.

          • outraged

            What makes you think I am ‘the opposition’? I could not care less about any of your corrupted and cowardly leaders, much less Refco-Farage.

          • Fergus Pickering

            Wy.In what benighted land do you hang your hat? Bloody foreigner! Hitler said that.

          • Hexhamgeezer

            truly feeble

          • Damocles

            why the anger outraged ?
            Perhaps you could spare a thought for the disadvantaged and less well-off from our own communities
            or do you just step over them in the street ?

      • James Lovelace

        ” Farage is a moral heir of Hitler’s ideology”

        If you look at Hitler’s 24 Theses or Mussolini’s 1919 manifesto, you will see that it is LibLabCon who resemble the Fascists and National Socialists.

        http://www.hitler.org/writings/programme/

        http://www.conservapedia.com/Fascist_Manifesto,_1919

        It is amazing how people for the slight-of-hand of Lefists. UKIP are libertarians, and Hitler and Mussolini were provably socialists.

      • Fergus Pickering

        Come tel us just one, just a teeny-weeny one.

      • global city

        Please, enlighten us?

        Be specific mind you, or we will have to conclude that you nothing more than an empty vessel or a useful idiot.

      • Damocles

        Is that a ‘yes’ or a ‘no’ vote for Nigel then ?

    • global city

      Well Question Time ‘Nick Griffined’ Paul Nuttall last night…. pantomime audience boos and gasped responses seemingly choreographed to boot.

      The barstwards won’t give up. UKIP have to be really careful.

      With regards to immigration if I were them I would return to repeating the fundamental point that the UK government has no control and 90% of world governments organise immigration and work permits in the way that UKIP wish to… and then just leave it at that.

      • disqus_KdiRmsUO4U

        The responses once again exposed the total lie that the a QT audiences are representative.
        They are clearly selected to support the BBC agenda.

        • Bill_der_Berg

          Enoch Powell said that the BBC used to bus protesters to the venues from where he was due to broadcast. I did not find it hard to believe.

          • Guest

            Last weeks QT audience should dispell and doubt he was telling the truth.

          • Grant French

            Last weeks QT audience should dispell any doubt he was telling the truth.

          • Bill_der_Berg

            Presumably the BBC wanted to portray Mr Nuttall as a political pariah. It would have thrown a spanner in the works if a there was support for him from the audience.

      • Bill_der_Berg

        Speaking for myself, I do not care if a BBC undercover investigation reveals that Nigel Farage is the AntiChrist. UKIP is offering UK voters a chance to do something about EU membership, and immigration. I do not intend to miss it, whatever the BBC does or says.

      • General_Patten

        The BBC QT audience on Thursday night was the most biased I have ever seen. Dimble actually stated a survey that 77% of the population want immigration controlled but 100% of the audience booed the UKIP deputy leader when he said we need border controls.
        The BBC is a disgrace. This disgusting organisation needs to be shut down!

        • James Lovelace

          I stopped watching QT years ago. If their viewing figures fell to 500k, and it was only watched by politicos and trade unionists, perhaps Al Beebazeera would get a clue about how little we care for their propaganda.

        • Damocles

          The ‘News & Current Affairs’ section yes, General !

          but many other parts of the BBC are very good

  • MikeF

    Perhaps someone could ambush a UAF spokesman by asking whether they agree with the words – “I have set and always will set my face like flint against making any difference between one citizen of this country and another on the grounds of his origin.” The author, of course, is one John Enoch Powell.

    By the way when I checked this I came across this Powellism as well. What a pity he wasn’t there to skewer Tony Blair when he was uttering his ‘education, education education’ mantra:
    “Of all political sacred-cows, education is the most sacred and the most cow-like.”

  • Baron

    The answer to your heading question is obvious, Rod – because he is the leader of UKIP, and as such he represents a threat to the hegemony of the three stale political parties. They will try everything, fair or foul, to destroy him, but the great unwashed may yet to interfere. We shall see next year.

    • Agrippina

      Agreed, I should imagine close to the May elections we will not be able to say very much at all about the 3party troughers. Business is patently worried about us voting for anyone else but the trio, so Murdoch has Murnaghan trying to scare the voters away from Ukip.

      But it won’t work every sensible/reasonable country has controls over its borders. Malaysia is in the process of issuing biometric cards to its 2.3 million immigrant workers that must be on the person at all times, the info can be read by any official via mobile phone tech. This is to find and deport illegals backlash over there too. Australia has been turning back boats with economic migrants who want to claim asylum.

      So just us allowing anyone from the entire EU to pitch up and all the friends and relations from faraway lands. No-more we have had enough too many people densely packed into this tiny country, a recipe for disaster.

    • allymax bruce

      ‘the great unwashed’, … thanks Baron!
      You do realise Class systems will fall if UKIP succeed?
      Then you’ll have to call the poor the great plebs!

      • Baron

        Listen, you Scottish giant, if Baron were you he would worry more what’s going to happen to the land of haggis and whisky if the man who half runs you gets his way than whether UKIP’s win kicks the class system into the the long grass.

        • John Border

          Baron buffoon rants again.

          • Baron

            What? A short, single sentence is a rant? Hmmm

          • John Border

            A long sentence, too long. Full of rudeness, racial stereotypes and cliche. It’s a rant.

          • Baron

            You win, John, are you happier now?

        • allymax bruce

          Ahhh, baron, you changed ‘giant’ to Scottish brute’; why? I kind of liked the thought of being ‘a son of Gaea’. Warring with yoos gods of Tertarus.
          Anyway, you only see us as ‘the land of haggis and whiskey’, because that’s the only ‘pleasurable’ things you extract from Scotland. So, what’s your ‘national export’? Debt?

          • Baron

            The change was to get you out of the comfort of your highland lair, to make it easy to kick the barbarian, you’ve kept silent for too long, it has changed again, have a look.

            Baron has a soft spot for people who defend their place in the sun with all they’ve got, and you, my blogging friend are one of the best from up there north, even though we don’t see eye to eye on everything.

            The posting was meant in jest anyway, who knows what the future holds for you, the land of yours, or anything or anyone.

          • allymax bruce

            Baron, ye’r a guid laugh; ‘kick the Barbarian’! Hehe. I know you’re only jesting; it’s only a wee bit o’ fun.
            Besides, the beautiful Scottish lands are too cold fir the likes o’ yoos softies; you’d probably send ane o’ yer turncoat lackies, (Crash Gordon or Doom Darling), tae kick this Barbarian. But thanks for the back & forth ribbing.

  • DBarry

    “The immigration about which Powell got himself worked up numbered less than 50,000 across several years..”

    But that was enough to start a significant transformation in places like Bradford. A few whiny Northerners in a city perceived by some as being entirely working class didn’t matter of course.

    If people had taken Ray Honeyford a little more seriously, we might have avoided some of the current mess.

    • MikeF

      The left and the Islamist fundamentalists took Ray Honeyford very seriously – that is why they hounded him out of his job. Yet what did he say – simply that the gender segregation practised by Muslims impaired the quality of the education received by young Muslim females. To put it another way the Muslims disliked him because he questioned what they see as an essential theocratic precept and the left because he illuminated an instance in which they were shown to be acting in direct contravention of what in other instances they would claim as one of their own distinguishing principles.
      But then there is nothing the left hate – and do they ‘hate’ – more than having their narcissistic sense of their own absolute ideological and intellectual consistency shown to be an utter fiction. That was the bottom line in the whole Honeyford saga and the fact that it was allowed to happen at all still constitutes one of the most shameful episodes in British public life in living memory.

      • Trofim

        I would like to see a Ray Honeyford Road in every city of England.

        • disqus_KdiRmsUO4U

          It could by pass the dead end of Choudry street

  • crafnah

    ‘Dermot Murnaghan’, if that is his real name,is clearly not of British descent. There is an obvious question as to whether he should be allowed on British airwaves without explicitly disclosing his real name, and on such a subject as this, where his real loyalties lie, what his origins are, and what his motives.

    • pedestrianblogger

      Murnaghan was, apparently, born in Devon but brought up in Northern Ireland. His surname is a corruption of the Irish Muineachán and he is almost certainly an adherent of the Popish superstition. I do not trust him.

  • crosscop

    They don’t understand, do they? “Trapping” Farage into admitting he agrees with Enoch Powell is actually a guarantee that Farage gets more support from the voters. Opinion polls in the 60s showed that 80% of voters agreed with Powell. Opinion polls last week showed that despite decades of pro-immigration propaganda, about the same number still want immigration cut.

    • James Lovelace

      The pro-EU fascists of the Tory party were delighted when Powell made that speech. He was a Thatcherite before Thatcher, and he would have opposed the EU. Ted Heath hated Powell long before that speech.

  • Bob339

    No politician is to be believed on any subject. Politicians and over-greedy businessmen are what got into the shituation we are now in. Kill them on sight I say. Hang them like stoats.

  • freethinker14

    It seems journalists cannot get past the UKIP popularity and will point at anything that hints at a decline. The Enoch Powell stitch up on Sky was actually pretty sad as was David D laughing at Paul Nuttall last night on QT being called a racist.

    What they fail to comprehend is all the attacking of UKIP is simply providing them more of a platform to get their message across and poll ratings show that it’s working. The May elections this year will prove quite interesting as this will provide a yard stick for next year – I am referring to the county council elections, not the MEP ones.

  • allymax bruce

    Yeh, the ’embedded amoral hypocrasy’ of the Elitist Class, to cast everything they disagree with, as ‘vile & disgusting’; an ‘elitist class’ Imposition us, ‘the people’, that we must get used to, and know our place, is becoming tireless & boring. Wasn’t that long ago I ‘showed’ the plebicite can use the full lexicon of cursive persuasion to ‘counter’ the elitist moral monopoly on their ‘cringing & sneering’. This offended their ‘sensibilities’, but proving what is said, and not by whom, is just as powerful; regardless of a perceived Class.

  • David Lindsay

    Enoch Powell was right.

    Right to line up with Tony Benn and against Margaret Thatcher on Europe.

    Right to oppose both capital punishment and nuclear weapons, the two ultimate expressions of statism as idolatry, on which latter he again correctly sided with Benn against Thatcher, and on both of which he in fact shared the views of many High Tories.

    Right about the normalisation of Northern Ireland, conventionally known as total integration, which will almost certainly never now happen, since the place has been carved up between a bizarre fundamentalist sect and a fully armed Marxist terrorist organisation.

    Right to use the full panoply of central government planning to make significant additions to the National Health Service, and always to remain a stalwart defender of it.

    Right to warn against importing the communal politics of the Indian Subcontinent.

    Right to oppose the subordination of our foreign policy to a foreign power.

    Right to denounce the atrocities at Hola.

    Right to support Britain’s non-intervention in Vietnam.

    Right to oppose the first Gulf War, which we fought as if buying oil from Saddam Hussein would somehow have been worse than buying it from the al-Sabahs (or the al-Sauds).

    Right to reprimand Thatcher that, “A Tory believes that there is no such thing as an individual who exists without society,” pointedly referring to Tories, an age-old culture or series of subcultures, rather than to the Conservative Party, a late and strictly conditional vehicle for Toryism.

    Right to oppose abortion, and experimentation on embryonic human beings, unlike Thatcher.

    Right to support the decriminalisation of male homosexual acts between consenting adults in private.

    Right to predict that the Soviet Union would collapse anyway, and to see Russia as our natural ally.

    Right to fight against grotesque erosions of our liberties, such as reversals of the burden of proof in certain cases.

    But Enoch Powell was also wrong.

    Wrong about immigration, at the time and in the specific context, which was not at all what people today think that it was, and which had little or nothing to do with the situation in Britain today.

    Wrong about economics, although his followers were and are much worse than he was.

    Wrong in his inability to see that the implementation of his economic views was impossible without the huge-scale importation of people as much as of anything
    else, as part of that system’s overall corrosion of everything that conservatives exist in order to conserve.

    Wrong to scorn the Commonwealth.

    Wrong in the bitterness of his anti-Americanism.

    Wrong to support easier divorce.

    Wrong to give aid and succour to the Monday Club, although he never joined it, when it was supporting the Boer Republic set up as an explicit act of anti-British revenge in a former Dominion of the Crown (a move fiercely opposed by Nelson Mandela and the ANC, for all their other faults), and that Republic’s satellite, which first committed treason against Her Majesty and then very rapidly purported to depose her, removing the Union Flag from its own, something that even the Boer Republic never did.

    Wrong in his insistence on the utter otherworldliness of Christianity, a position which, as must wait for another time, was wholly incompatible with his vigorous pulpit defence of bodily resurrection.

    His present-day detractors and admirers alike should learn the lessons.

    • disqus_KdiRmsUO4U

      quote;Wrong about immigration, at the time and in the specific context,

      Powell was looking to the future.

      He was only wrong in the time scale and level of division he predicted.

      He was quite correct to fear for the stability of the UK if uncontrolled immigration from the Indian subcontinent continued unabated.

      Then again may be having bombs detonated on UK streets is insufficient for you.
      Having Tottenham style riots isn’t enough.

      Both the 2011 occurrence and the Broadxxx (forget the name) riot where a police officer was decapitated

      It didn’t take a mass riot to bring about the attempted decapitation late last year. So efficiency is in a positive direction.!

      It’s quite likely a riot would have followed the lawful killing verdict of Duggan just delivered.
      May still do so but the cold weather may not be conducive.

      • David Lindsay

        They were not coming from the Indian Subcontinent. Their ancestors were from there, but they themselves were not.

        Including among Muslims, how many terrorists have ever been from that East African Asian background? Even the ones in East Africa are not. Or the ones in Asia.

        Anyone who thinks that Powell’s highly particular speech had the first thing to do with the present situation knows nothing, literally nothing at all, about either of them.

        As he would doubtless have told them, since he always enjoyed pointing out when he had been misunderstood by lesser minds, notably that of Margaret Thatcher.

        • disqus_KdiRmsUO4U

          Where did the mass influx of Pakistanis from about the mid 50’s to at least the 70’s come from then ?

          There’s a clue to help you is in the question !

          Hint: by coach from Bradford is incorrect.

          Whether they arrive from Uganda Kenya or Calcutta in sufficient numbers the cultural impact is the same.

          With high birth rates the impact becomes more severe. and the costs , social separation , housing, education, health and remittances ever increasing.

          When did Tower Hamlets become Bangladesh by the sea.
          A consequence specifically identified by Powell ?

          • David Lindsay

            Where did the mass influx of Pakistanis from about the mid 50’s to at least the 70’s come from then ?

            Pakistan. Which Powell was not talking about. He made his speech in a very particular context.

            Whether they arrive from Uganda Kenya or Calcutta or Karachi in sufficient numbers the cultural impact is the same.

            Except that it just hasn’t been.

            And a population that refuses to reproduce itself must want, or at least expect, to be replaced. It must think itself not worth saving. There can be no other explanation.

            Powell would have had great fun with you. He always enjoyed puncturing the egos his thickie groupies, of whom he had rather a lot. One of whom became Prime Minister, much to Powell’s bafflement.

          • Simon Fay

            “And a population that refuses to reproduce itself must want, or at least expect, to be replaced. It must think itself not worth saving. There can be no other explanation.”

            Words worthy of Adolf. Funny thing is I don’t recall at any point any sort of ‘Breed For Britain’ campaign that might have prefaced a population replacement programme resulting when it publicly failed to elicit a response considered satisfactory by those who would view the home nations so ruthlessly, as a resource to be depleted, possibly replenished (subject to audit), contingently scrapped etc

            The human-import programme has as its superficially-plausible pretext various economic/actuarial deficits arising from said birth-shortfall, but I rather suspect that even if the native pop’n was still ramping up, another alibi would have been found for these developments in the State-cum-Big-Business nexus’s mutation.

          • disqus_KdiRmsUO4U

            It certainly has the arrogance of Adolf

          • disqus_KdiRmsUO4U

            A homogenous , more or less , population in slow numerical decline is no bad thing and is certainly no reason to encourage the immigration of alien culture and diverse race.

            Other than when controlled by authoritarian governments can you tell me of one racially religiously tribally diverse nation free of serious negative consequences.

            Even Bhuddists who many claim to be peaceful have started to kick arse somewhere or other

            I have a ticket for you on Dreamer airlines to stay at the Hotel Idealism in the Central African Republic..
            Please be careful and stay as long as you like.

          • Bill_der_Berg

            “It must think itself not worth saving. There can be no other explanation.”

            Well, that puts an end to speculation.

      • David Lindsay

        As for Duggan, he was a gangster on the white side of his family.

        From Ireland (via Manchester), the whole of which Powell believed ought still to be in the United Kingdom.

        You are desperately disappointed that there have not been riots over this, aren’t you? Ho, hum.

        • Bill_der_Berg

          So he was a gangster on his mother’s side. Was his gun a family heirloom?

          • David Lindsay

            He’ll have got it from them, I expect. He was their man in London.

            Mark Duggan was the nephew by marriage of Dessie Noonan of Manchester, who until his murder in 2005 was the single most powerful gangster in these Islands.

            The Labour Movement is not supposed to be some middle-aged version of the SWP. And it isn’t.

            As the black, Labour MP for Tottenham, David Lammy, has explained, that area has seen four deaths in Police custody over the last four decades.

            The black and Irish communities will do themselves enormous harm if they make Duggan their great cause and his “supporters”, as the BBC is calling them, their vanguard.

            They won’t. But the people who are determined to pretend that they have are still going to be all over the media. They already are.

            Although Chuka Umunna was on Question Time last night. Black while part-Irish. We know what he said, as we knew that he would.

            Get out of that one, Duggan rabble-rousers. By no means only his supporters.

          • Bill_der_Berg

            Surely you know that the SWP is heavily involved in trade unionism and is therefore part of the Labour movement.

            I did not see your comrade Umunna on Question Time. From what I’ve seen, his comments have not made much of a splash in the press.

          • David Lindsay

            It is not part of the Labour Movement. Holding the odd union position is not the same thing. There are Tories like that.

            I appreciate your disappointment that the darkies have not done what you think it is that darkies do. But there you go. Perhaps you were wrong all along?

          • Bill_der_Berg

            In as much as “The Labour Movement” means whatever you want it to mean, you are right.

            I have no wish to see anyone murdered on the streets again, or people having to jump for their lives out of burning buildings. Nor does the widespread destruction of property have any appeal.

            Lambeth’s Labour councillors are the ones who have a taste for mayhem on the streets. They were the ones who spent thousands on celebrating the anniversary of the ‘Brixton Uprising’.

          • Bill_der_Berg

            I see that it had to be carefully explained to Comrade Ummuna that his proposal for restricting migration from EU countries would breach EU treaty obligations. And to think that Chuka is a lawyer.

    • The Red Bladder

      Our old friends perception and reality will keep getting in the way though, won’t they?

      • David Lindsay

        On this thread? I doubt it.

        It never ceases to amaze me, although of course it is not really surprising at all, that the Alf Garnetts still think that Enoch Powell was an Alf Garnett. He wasn’t.

        And although his views on many subjects are still worth considering today, those on immigration simply are not, because their only connection to the present sitaution is that it has been created by the economic arrangements of which he was largely a harbinger.

        • Simon Fay

          Not worth considering cos Powell was a hypocrite (for sourcing Commonwealth labour in the first place, and free-market dogma) or what?

        • disqus_KdiRmsUO4U

          quote :And although his (Powell’s)views on many subjects are still worth considering today, those on immigration simply are not, because their only connection to the present situation is that it has been created by the
          economic arrangements of which he was largely a harbinger

          .May a mere thickie like me address a condescending stuck up rectally challenged twerp like you and ask if you are aware of how many hundreds , possibly thousands, of millions, successive governments poured into failing UK industry.
          The largesse failed to produce much.
          Inflation did reach record levels.

          it was those arrangements to which Powell and the mad monk Joseph objected.
          Thatcher gained control changed government economic policy then along with Lawson concluded that value added industry did not matter at all.

          I give you a big kiss and no more for recognising that immigrants from Pakistan came from Pakistan

          You started the personal abuse and I am quite capable even eager to return it
          So bend over and let me inject a little humility into you

          Powell was taking about coloured immigration you dipstick
          He actually said: in 20 years time the black man will hold the whip hand.

        • Bill_der_Berg

          “…to the present sitaution is that it has been created by the economic arrangements of which he was largely a harbinger…”

          Very important, if true, but a mere assertion is not enough. I needs to be backed up. Is there a website or publication where this has been done?

    • John Border

      All wrong.

  • Bill_der_Berg

    Enoch Powell’s speeches were memorable, as are Nigel Farage’s spats with van Rompuy. I can’t say the same for the outpourings of Cameron, Milliband and Clegg, although some of Ed Balls’s gurnings linger in the mind.

  • Ricky Strong

    Thank you for pointing that out Rod, they never cease to amaze me with what tricks they will use against Farage. That said, I really wish people would pay more attention to Enoch Powell, there was a reason Thatcher described him as the greatest parliamentarian she had ever known. Enoch was so much more than his Birmingham speech.

    • Bill_der_Berg

      It is worth noting that Michael Foot defended Enoch against accusations of racism, and that Tony Benn was one of the few leading Labour people to go to Enoch’s funeral.

      • Ricky Strong

        I was not aware of that, but it is nice to know. Particularly with regards to Tony Benn as I knew he was rather alarmed at Powell’s Birmingham speech, just shows he at least was capable of paying respect where it was due, despite both their differences.

        • Bill_der_Berg

          I assumed that it was a case of one maverick showing respect for another, but Benn’s own explanation was;

          “I met him in 1950 and he always meant what he said and said what he meant. He established a relationship of trust
          with the public. I didn’t agree with him and said that candidly to him but for that reason I respected him.”

          That came later. His (more typically Bennish) response to Powell’s famous speech in the Commons was –

          The flag of racialism which has been hoisted in
          Wolverhampton is beginning to look like the one that fluttered 25 years ago over Dachau and Belsen”.

          To which Powell replied –

          “All that I will say is that in 1939 I voluntarily returned from Australia to this country to serve as a private soldier in the war against Germany and Nazism. I am the same man today… ”

          Tony Benn later said that his reference to Dachau had been ‘over the top’.

          • disqus_KdiRmsUO4U

            My memory tells me that both Benn and Powell thought the sovereignty of parliament to be of overriding importance
            I guess that was the basis of their respect.

            If you take the time to listen to a live parliamentary debate you cant help but notice the place is full of vacuous cliche ridden party hacks.
            There are thoughtful politicians, but not many.

            Powell had a rapier mind.
            Benn whom I believe to be a genuine nice compassionate person is an idealistic long winded waffler with a self aggrandising touch.

            On the subject of waffle John Reid is unstoppable.

          • Bill_der_Berg

            Benn preferred to call it ‘the sovereignty of the people’ but he certainly agreed with Powell about the threat posed to Parliament by the EU.

            I heard him speak at a meeting once. He came over as likeable and amusing but I can’t take his political views seriously. He is in favour of greater democracy at home (the transfer of political power to working people) yet he said in his diaries that he was “a great admirer of Mao … he made mistakes, because everybody does”.

            I agree about the party hacks. That is probably due to the selection procedures and Parliament’s loss of importance resulting from membership of the EU.

          • Ricky Strong

            That he accepted he was ‘over the top’ is admirable, but it does not detract from the fact that he, among many at the time, simply ridiculed and shut the door on Powell without so much as a rational debate on what he was saying. I read that after the Birmingham speech a poll suggested 74% agreed with him.
            I see the same happening today, Melanie Phillips on QT once summarised it rather well I thought when she scorned an audience member for calling people racists, fascists and disgusting for simply holding a legitimate view(s). Indeed Paul Nuttel was accused of racism on this weeks QT (heavens knows why I continue to watch it), for stating that boarder controls are more sensible than open doors.

          • Bill_der_Berg

            True enough.

          • Bill_der_Berg

            Also, Benn’s behaviour makes me wonder just how genuine his belief in democracy was. In his famous speech in the Commons, Enoch Powell plainly said that he felt it his duty as an MP to raise a matter of grave concern to his constituents.

            That sounds perfectly democratic to me. Presumably Tony Benn would have told them to shut up and go away.

        • rob232

          Tony Benn and Enoch Powell were both very honest men, traits so unusual in politicians. This probably explains why they achieved so little in politics.

    • Sanctimony

      Powell was a genius… a giant among pygmies… he could compose verse in classical Latin or Greek that would have stood up to comparison with Ovid or Homer.

  • Rod hits another one out of the ballpark. Brave, and right: every word!

  • Sparta of Phoenix AZ

    I find this conversation rather enlightening being it is the
    same one being had on the other side of the Atlantic…Big business Right with
    Leftwing social supremacists flying in the face of a growing and vocal majority…Same
    debate, same tactics used to try and shut it down…MULTICULTURALISM was never
    going to work…..CONTROLLED immigration with ASSIMILATION works in the long
    term, with controlled pauses when needed …Only reason American didn’t rip
    itself apart throughout our short history…Presently we take in 1 million mostly poor uneducated
    every year (and wonder why we still have so many impoverished) and have over 20
    million here illegally (which will never change until we do away with
    birthright citizenship). This is a disastrous course to follow…You think you guys have problems? I weep for the UK of
    old as I do for my own country…Yes, we clearly had our differences but America has never forgotten how we
    got here…It is very sad to see what has become of Britain….We are on the same
    path and it has all been by design. Great civilizations almost always fold from within.

  • DallasBeaufort

    The rights wrong and the lefts always right ?

    • I don’t know, but the apostrophe is always missing.

  • atticus1900

    Powell was instrumental in getting thousands of Jews out of Europe and into Britain before WWII started. Perhaps Miliband has some thanks to give to the chap.

  • Eddie

    Enoch was right – there have been such rivers of mud flowing because of all the storms and rain and flooding…

    Oh no, wait…

    • disqus_KdiRmsUO4U

      Its nature making Asian immigrants feel at home by providing a monsoon or two.

      Expect a hurricane soon in the cause of West Indian equal rights.

  • mikewaller

    There is no doubt that the liberal elements of our mass media (in my view, a vital counterweight to crowd-pleasing venality of much of that element controlled by the proprietocracy) have partially closed down the national debate on immigration over many years. However, politicians of all stripes cannot have been unaware the strength of feeling across the country among ordinary people. After all, although Harold Wilson called the guy who won the then parliamentary seat of Smethick under the shameful slogan “If you want a nigger for a neighbour vote Labour” a political pariah, the fact is he did win. So why did both major parties adopt approaches some much at variance with public opinion? With the Tories, I suspect at it was combination of the fag end of empire insofar as the New Commonwealth immigrants held British passports and the willingness of the new-comers to do jobs the natives no longer seemed to want. [Enoch Powell, as Health Minister, was the first to recruit trained nurses in the West Indies]. With Labour, it was a mixture of “brotherhood of man” ideology and a cynical appreciation that first generation immigrants were far more likely to vote for them than the Tories. Without these favourable political winds, the BBC, the Guardian etc. could have preached until they were blue in the face, by hook or by crook the waves of immigrants would have been shut out far earlier.

    But all that is just so much water under the bridge. Unless one is prepared to contemplate Britain making itself a pariah state by marching millions of UK passport holder to the docks and airports and shipping or flying them off to God knows were, we are where we are. With the new immigrants from Europe, we could turn the tap off by leaving the EC and then refuse to sign up to the protocols which would allow us to continue trading on equal terms sans political influence. This may appeal to many, but in my view it would be economic suicide. I think that globalisation is going to become increasingly unpopular as good jobs further evaporate and in democracies this will lead to economic balkanisation: not a smart time to be out on your own. So what should be done? For my money it is to read and re-read Theodore Dalrymple brilliant piece (p.18) which gives the real reason why new immigrants find it so easy to secure a job against local completion. Wages levels are not the issue. Get to grips with that and there would not be the jobs for incomers to take; fail, and the immigrants will leave where they can as the UK becomes a fully fledged economic basket case dragged down by its own unemployables.

    • Simon Fay

      “Unless one is prepared to contemplate Britain making itself a pariah state”

      No invites to Wild Boar hunts in German forests? Any chance of a precis of Mr D’s article? Erudite and grave though he is, I’d be surprised if he has much insight about the sort of ultra-menial extra-volatile shit-shovelling that is the principal tier in the world of Work for the population-replacement programme.

  • BillyCobbett

    I despair for this country, i really do. We don’t stand a snowball’s chance in hell.

    • John Hawkins Totnes

      Don’t despair. This story is not over yet.

  • James Lovelace

    Powell predicted WW2 in 1930, and returned from a cosy professorship in New Zealand to fight the National Socialists (and he did not believe Britain would win).

    During WW2 he was promoted from Private to Brigadier (something that was unheard of). Powell was working alongside people like Hardy Amies (who ran a ring of covert assassins). Powell’s job was to immerse himself in the thinking of Rommel, so that Britain would know what Rommel would do in any given circumstance.

    Powell gave his career in an attempt to avert the coming civil war (a war that is now thought to be inevitable by 40% of Brits). http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/may/26/public-attitude-muslims-complex-positive It is only “white flight” that has prevented rivers of blood. When you consider that 50% of the victims of racist violence are white, it shows how prescient Powell was (the 10% of the population who are not white are responsible for 50% of racist violence). http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/oct/22/ukcrime.race

    If Cameron, Clegg and Miliband live to be 100 years old, 3 of them combined won’t amount to 1 Enoch Powell.

  • Sanctimony

    Why, oh why, are we so ashamed of being British ?

  • Agrippina

    Mr Farage needs to discuss the past if that is how the journos want to play it. He could start by talking about Keir Hardie’s article for the Miner in 1887 in which he states the following “For the second time in their history Messrs. Merry and
    Cunninghame have introduced a number of Russian Poles to Glengarnock Ironworks. What object they have in doing so is beyond human ken unless it is, as stated by a speaker at Irvine, to teach men how to live on garlic and oil, or introduce the Black Death, so as to get rid of the surplus labourers.”

    Mr Hardie told a Select Committee in 1889 that the foreigners had filthy habits and 6 or 7 males occupied a one-roomed hse.

    The Lithuanians were the immigrants that Scotland did not want because they were of the view that they would undercut the indigenous workforce and possibly be used as strike breakers.

    John Wilson, the Unionist candidate for St Rollox, Glasgow, in 1900 did not believe “it proper that this country should be the dumping ground for all the paupers of Europe.” Trade Unions were openly hostile, claiming that the newcomers’ lack of English made them a danger at work; the Glasgow Trades Council declared the Lithuanians in Glengarnock as “an evil” and wrote to the TUC demanding immigration controls to keep them out.

    And so the 3 party troughers continue to act for business and nothing has changed, import cheap foreign labour and keep the working class poor. I agree with Mr Farage, halt immigration and be a little poorer but have a decent standard of living in a cohesive society.

    • Bill_der_Berg

      In 1947 the Communist Party campaigned for the deportation of Polish miners from Scotland.

  • David Prentice

    What happened to Matthew Parris’s: Gay men are god’s gift to everything?

    https://spectator.com.au/columnists/matthew-parris/9110361/matthew-parris-its-gay-men-who-contribute-most-to-society/

  • JewishOdysseus

    How much blood flowed in the street when Lee Rigby was beheaded by those immigrants? I guess a little brook doesn’t even count…

  • Bill_der_Berg

    There are times when the BBC’s bias has been so blatant that it has been comical.
    The Corporation once broadcast a TV debate about immigration, feating Enoch Powell, three other panellists and an ‘independent’ expert who was there to offer guidance on immigration law.

    Encoch Powell asked the expert about immigration restrictions in some other countries. The independent one did not like the way things were going and refused to answer on the ground that the question was ‘irrelevant’.

    EP : “You can’t answer my question yet you call yourself a professor?”

    Expert : “I am not a professor”

    EP : “Thank God for that!”

  • Marcus

    In what way was 7/7 not a river of blood?

    Because it was not actually a river, by international geologically agreed criteria?

  • Terence Hale

    Hi,
    Why should Nigel Farage have to fight the ghost of Enoch Powell? Listening to the parliamentary discussion on immigration and deportation I notice the poor argumentation. An analysis of why and under what condition other EU countries deport people has not been made. The results would surprise you.

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