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Paris: go while it’s still friendly

The city’s mood right now is enough to make Julie Burchill love the French

2 January 2016

9:00 AM

2 January 2016

9:00 AM

My word, I do like the French! That’s up there with things I thought I’d never say, like ‘Just the one, please.’ But after spending three days in Paris two weeks after the Islamist massacre, I have become their biggest fan. Yes, I’m fully aware that the Parisiennes aren’t the French –— but the pedants among you will please overlook the sweeping generalisation.

I thought it was important, having read that France had already lost €2 million worth of business due to a wave of cancellations, to show support. When I read that Parisiennes were trending the hashtag ‘#ToutsAuBistrot’, it was a no-brainer. Unfortunately, we arrived on the first day of the climate conference, and the motorways were closed. Never mind; the trains were free, and it felt thrillingly cosmopolitan to just rush through the barriers. All was fine until a group of black and Arabic youngsters got on; the looks they received from the commuters could have cooled down an Ibizan foam party. Ever keen to do my bit for inter-faith relations, I wriggled a little closer to the young North African man sitting next to me and received a lovely smile. I thought I was being Ban Ki-moon, but it’s likely that I was mistaken for a sozzled middle-aged slapper up for a bit of fun.

It took quite a while to find our hotel, and at this time we assumed that the Parisiennes were still their same old snooty selves. The police and the taxi drivers did that famous thing where they pretend not to understand when you talk French to them: they all gave my husband the same blank look until he wrote it down, at which point they all went ‘Ah! Rue — d’Anjou!’ exactly the way he’d said it in the first place. We were excited when we finally found the Buddha-Bar Hotel, though — all red, black and darkness, with an atmosphere of filthy deeds done at an extortionate price.


My husband was both appalled and amused by the space-age lavatory and its saucy pre-warmed seat. To recover, we went, as the hashtag instructs, to the bar. I’ve been to a few bars in my life, but this was one of the loveliest ever; a sort of dark fairytale, as if the gingerbread house from ‘Hansel and Gretel’ had been repurposed as a Shanghai opium den.

In the morning we walk along by a deserted Seine — Paris seems empty except for us and the Chinese tourists, who are made of stern stuff. Around ten we start bar-crawling in earnest and it was quite freaky at first for an English accent to be greeted with a shocked smile and a painstaking ‘Cheers!’ instead of a sneer. The gargantuan measures, the bottles given where a couple of glasses were bought, the waiter who called out as we left ‘We love you very much for coming!’ Yes, there are a few pleasingly multi-hued paratroopers in the street, but then I am a seasoned Israel-tripper who feels happy rather than disturbed by the sight of a democratic state defending the streets where its citizens live free lives. At noon we stop at La Cour De Rome –— a visibly touristy joint, except that we are the only visible tourists there. We eat onion soup and Roquefort and drink red wine and listen to everyone talking French around us, gesturing, shrugging, and obviously just out for their lunch hour. Clichés have never seemed so liberating.

On the last morning of our stay, I ask two Facebook friends to lunch at the Buddha Bar. Aidan is an excellent biker and blogger (www.castacoldi.wordpress.com) while Anne-Elisabeth is exactly how one expects a beautiful, brilliant Parisienne journaliste of a certain age (mine) to look. Yesterday, although an atheist, Aidan had knelt in the Sacré-Coeur cathedral and said a prayer for the souls of the murdered; after we left, he met a Texan lady who has lived in Paris for 30 years. Aidan wrote later: ‘She said something which hit home — “The blood dries quickly on the streets.” It wasn’t cruel or callous, but defiant.’

Anne-Elisabeth tells me we have history; 30 years ago I wrote about how I loathed the French, and she wrote a reply. I tell her I’ve changed my mind, and start drooling about how wonderful the French are — starting with the long queue at passport control, where all the children were well-behaved, most of them quietly reading books, like lovely little adults. If that queue had included English kids, I tut, it would have been bedlam. She rolls her eyes in a very elegant French way: ‘O, Ju-lee! Not too much the other way, eh?’

I left Paris the way I like to leave a holiday — with a light wallet and an enlarged liver. But this time also with a new feeling of affection and respect for our old enemy and eternal ally. ‘Here’s one the Boche won’t drink!’ was a toast we’d been taught. Here’s one Daesh won’t conquer, I thought, looking out of the aeroplane window as the sunset turned the sky into a Tricolor.

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  • Birtles

    Saturday, 9th January: ‘Paris Pride’, 1:00pm onwards – Quai de Bercy:
    https://www.facebook.com/associationparisfierte/?fref=photo
    On Est Chez Nous!!

  • Sue Smith

    I’m over the French and France. Period. Adieux.

    • polidorisghost

      I like the provincials, but then I’m a peasant at heart.

      • Sue Smith

        I’m sure you’re entitled to like and dislike whatever you want!! Happy New Year.

        • polidorisghost

          And you as well
          Oh la la

  • Violin Sonata.

    Paris has got to be the most over rated city in Europe and France hasn’t a patch on
    Austria in my opinion.

  • sayajp

    Did I miss the massive, united, sincere, heartfelt APOLOGY from ‘moderate’ Muslims for what was done in their name? How many ‘moderate’ Muslims laid flowers at the site of the murders?

    • TheJustCity

      That, amongst other things, is part of a discussion that needs to be held and which, as yet, has been avoided. Not that true moderates won’t exist – indeed, we must meet them every day – but being realistic about their numbers will be enlightening; equally as to truths about the Muslim community and the ideology of mainstream Islam. These will probably be sobering and, terrifyingly, incongruous with the pat assurances given us by politicians for decades.

      • sayajp

        Well said TJC. I meet people everyday who don’t want to talk about these issues but just keep sweeping them under the carpet, avoiding ‘that’ part of town, pretending it doesn’t exist, leaving the growing problem for the next generation to sort out. And it will need sorting out because within our society are vast numbers of people who want to change our society, by force and/or breeding, forever. Some of us get accused of being fascists for raising these issues but the real fascists are those who detest womens’ rights, gay rights, freedom of speech, who hate any music or art but theirs and who live separate lives, at our expense, of loathing within our communities.

      • Stevie Mac

        …there are plenty of poles about their attitudes.

    • vieuxceps2

      Did you not read about the silent,dignified “march of muslims” through European cities as they mourned the murdered citizens? Funny,I seem to have missed that too.

      • Dutchnick

        I think there were a couple in Rome!

      • Caviar luvvie

        You should draw a cartoon mate!

        • vieuxceps2

          Yes, a good cartoon usually brings’em out. No problem about marching then…..

    • Mary Ann

      I don’t know, do you? you’re just stirring things up. Did you actually spend any time in Paris just after the event, did you ask the flower layers if they were Muslims, I expect they hid away, too frightened to go there in case they were attacked.

      • Hayekian

        No need to worry about being attacked, the murderers had been shot dead by the police hours earlier.

        • fundamentallyflawed

          Plus Islamic Terror attack and Islamic Terror attack have a common theme whereby identified Muslims are spared death. You can’t kill people in Islam only cattle

      • sayajp

        I rather think the scum who murdered 130 people and injured 368 were ‘stirring it up’. Interesting that you have the silly urge to speak in defence of the ‘religion of peace’ – there are plenty of ways Muslims could make their feelings known without exposing themselves to attack but few do. What does that tell you? Read about communism and fascism in the 1930’s and how people just like you either said their atrocities were exaggerated or not typical of all Germans/Italians/Spanish/Russians. The ‘peaceful’ people in a race or country sliding into totalitarianism don’t matter, they’re not running things, the scum are and they are very, very dangerous.

      • Cyril Sneer

        “did you ask the flower layers if they were Muslims, I expect they hid
        away, too frightened to go there in case they were attacked.”

        Ah the mystical reprisal attacks that never happen, the odd choice word here, the odd funny look, perhaps a bit of bacon found at the entrance to a mosque… just let me know when 130 are brutally murdered at a mosque by western extremists then you may finally have a point.

    • fundamentallyflawed

      I feel no need to march to apologise to black americans for white cops because somebody else is outraged therefore I don’t really expect Muslims to rush to do the same.
      I do expect Muslims who are in the community to oppose all and any rhetoric that encourages misogyny, terrorism and the overthrowing of democratic law for Sharia Law.
      In reality I imagine a march is actually more likely than my second point though

      • sayajp

        Why is it that when a white person kills a black person it’s a heinous race crime making the front pages but when a black person kills a white person, it barely gets a mention? If it had been a white man who pushed a black man under a tube a couple of weeks ago, it would be deemed a race crime in the Guardian and the moronic Left would be making T shirts and banners about it for years to come.

      • Kennybhoy

        “I do expect Muslims who are in the community to oppose …”

        Sound in theory but in the real world they would be promptly abandoned to the mercy of the extremists by the left-liberal media, police and pols… 🙁

    • takasar1

      right after christians apologize for hitler….

      • JabbaPapa

        Right, so you expect **me** to apologise for the actions of an extremist apostate from the faith, who wanted nothing less than the total eradication of religion and the organised mass murder of all religious faithful, as if his actions somehow had something to do with Christianity ???

        Sorry mate, not buying into the expectations of your blinkered atheist bigotry.

        • takasar1

          why??? read something you don’t like? bring up facts you’d rather remain hidden?

          • JabbaPapa

            What “facts” ???

            Note to the slow of mind : atheist fabrications do not constitute “facts”.

          • takasar1

            that he was christian. born and baptized. there. your rebuttal??? besides the usual ‘he-said she-said

          • JabbaPapa

            Which parts of “extremist apostate from the faith” and Caviar luvvie’s “Hitler considered himself an atheist you cretin” did you fail to comprehend ?

          • Texas Sunday Morning

            Except he didn’t. He was a creationist.

          • JabbaPapa

            In my experience, pointing to the actual material evidence of Hitler’s private declarations of atheism and hatred of all and everything to do with religion is routinely ignored by those like you, who seem to think that his vote-mongering public hypocrisy should be taken at 100% face value, as some miraculous exception to the general cynicism of their views about the public declarations of career politicians generally.

            And it’s very tiring work to dig it all up out of the internet, where it is buried under piles of utter garbage about the man, so I no longer bother even trying.

          • takasar1

            facts are they??? methinks they are the utterings of those who have difficulty looking at themselves in the mirror each morning. a futile attempt to cleanse oneself of the sins of ones ideological forefathers….

          • JabbaPapa

            Do you have a cleansing ritual each morning to rid yourself at your own collective guilt for the Stalinist atrocities ?

          • takasar1

            i’m not an atheist. but if i was. i’d step back and compare total numbers….

            and, again, IF i was, no. i wouldn’t hold a cleansing ritual, because collective guilt is illogical. that is, funnily enough, my key point. you don’t blame others for what some of their party do/did.

          • JabbaPapa

            In other words you’re asking me if I am attempting something that you view as being ludicrous and irrational ? LOL

          • Cyril Sneer

            Was he really a practicing Christian. Did he kill Jews whilst quoting passages to the bible. Did he recite the lords prayer when he ordered the gassing of jews, political opponents, gypsies and the mentally ill.

            He was neither christian or atheist, he was a jew hating powermonger, he wasn’t a practicing anything when he conducted his murderous campaigns..

          • takasar1

            well, you guys seem to make a distinction between what constitutes a practicing ‘muslim’ and a practicing ‘christian’. and yes, he did kill jews in the name of god. if his speeches are anything to go by.

            and jew-hating powermongers have been allergic to christianity throughout european history have they? i was under the impression that they used it as fuel. the link is there…ignore it if you will but let’s not pretend that musllims have any more need to apologize for what others do today in the name of their faith, than christians. one could use the inquisitions, pagan-hunting, colonialism and so on so forth as a similar stick to beat christians with. but that would be equally wrong for the same reason: collective guilt is against enlightened values.

      • sayajp

        You need to read some history my friend. Hitler was not a Christian and did not do anything in the name of Christianity as I think you are simplistically trying to imply. Fascism and communism saw other religions as a threat to their cult/religion and slaughtered members of the churches that didn’t play their game all over Europe and Russia. Established religions were forced to cooperate or be obliterated. Those cuddly ‘International Brigades’, the socialists, marxists and assorted luvvie supporters of Communism that went to Spain to fight Franco’s fascism, that Labour’s Hilary Benn referred to as heroes in his recent speech, murdered thousands of catholic clergy in cold blood. Totalitarianism is what threatens us all but first you have to wake up and recognise it for what it is. The Fatwa on Salman Rushdie should have alerted more people but what’s happening now is so awful, people don’t want to believe it. This is history repeating itself, just like the 1930’s.

        • Cobbett

          Why have you got a paedo as you avatar?

          • sayajp

            …so you felt at home.

        • takasar1

          oh is that so…you want to try to whitewash your own history yet demand muslims own up to their own? just because christians have invented yet another myth to help themselves sleep at night doesn’t mean the rest of us have to buy it

          • sayajp

            If you want to read whitewashing of history, nip over to the Daily Telegraph and read Boris Johnson telling us of the cultural debt we owe Muslims for building the Alhambra in Spain. I thought he was going to carry on and tell us the Nazis were OK because they built the VW Beetle. You and he need to go for a wake up walkabout in Luton.
            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/12079358/Amid-dystopic-visions-of-an-Islamic-Europe-remember-the-Alhambra.html

          • JabbaPapa

            All of this PC multiculturalism vote-mongering hypocrisy makes me want to vomit.

          • justejudexultionis

            Yes, I read that Boris article. An utter disgrace, an exercise in servile Islamo-appeasement and an inaccurate view of history. Islam was spread by murder and conquest from the seventh-century onwards, and nothing has changed today.

          • Texas Sunday Morning

            As opposed to the completely peaceful conversion of Europe to Christianity.

          • JabbaPapa

            I seem to have missed a History lesson or two.

            When, exactly, did the military conquest of the Roman Empire by Christian holy warriors take place ?

        • Texas Sunday Morning

          Fascism is just the 20th Century name for the policies of the Catholic Right. Faith, Flag, Family…

      • Caviar luvvie

        Hitler considered himself an atheist you cretin.

        • takasar1

          delusions…delusions. and yet you tell others to wake up and smell the coffee….

          • Cyril Sneer

            I think you’ve been listening to too much muslim propaganda.

            Try something that is accurate and not based on complete lies.

          • takasar1

            why is it that christians seem to regard every other wrong-doing as being a stain on the ideological foundations of others, something all must apologize for, yet they have collectively gone to great pains to whitewash something that keeps them up at night? was jew-killing rare before the 20th century? a ‘one off’ was it?

        • Texas Sunday Morning

          No, he didn’t, his writings make it clear he believed in God and the very first treaty signed by the Hitler regime was with the Vatican.

          • sayajp

            Hitler and Mussolini cosied up to the church early on, simply for prole popularity. Later they slaughtered clergy who stood in their way.

      • Cobbett

        Who’s a ”Christian”?

      • Cyril Sneer

        Apologise to whom? The Jews? Oh I bet you weren’t thinking of that one.

        Go on then, apologise to the jews… I bet you’d like that.

        • takasar1

          thanks. i’ll welcome it. glad you did so. very big of you. you are now cleansed of sin and personal wrong-doing.

          re: that was the whole point….

    • JabbaPapa

      How many ‘moderate’ Muslims laid flowers at the site of the murders?

      Hard to tell, but according to French media reports, quite a few.

      Did I miss the massive, united, sincere, heartfelt APOLOGY from ‘moderate’ Muslims for what was done in their name?

      Is their condemnation of what was done not enough ? Must those having nothing to do with these terrorist attacks also lay false blame on themselves and claim guilt for them, simply to spread balm on your bigotry ?

      • sayajp

        The bigots are the blind fools such as yourself who fail to notice the revolting ‘principles’ of Islam across the world and the vast numbers of atrocities in its name. Every survey conducted shows and terrifying level of support for violent Islam but useful idiots like you try to hail the ‘peaceful’ few as representative of where Islam is heading. This is exactly how we let Naziism and Communism flourish in the 1930’s. Get your head out of the sand and stop dreaming.

      • Kennybhoy

        Sound.

      • Cyril Sneer

        “Is their condemnation of what was done not enough ?”

        No it isn’t enough, nowhere near enough.

        The don’t report dodgy behaviour to the police… an article I read just the other day reveals that feedback from muslims on extremists within their communities is tiny, they simply do not report this sort of stuff to the police to root out extremism in their communities.

        Their condemnation is not enough, their contribution in fighting this threat from within their communities is not up for negotiation, it’s expected of them and for very obvious reasons they’re not doing this.

  • Wee Mental Davie

    The last time I was there, around 20 years ago, it was overpriced, the pavements were covered in dogs dirt and all the women smoked. City of romance, no thanks.

    Oh yes. It’s turning islamic, so that’s Sweden, Belgium, Germany and France all making the transition. Slowly of course, so we can all deny it.

    • Richard

      Denial of reality is the British way. It happens to coincide with the Swedish, Belgian, German and French ways, too.

      When Muslims were being sponsored into the UK under Blair’s mass-voter-importation scheme, the public and the media only concentrated on the number of Poles coming into the country. I would ask people, “How do you feel about the numbers of Africans and Muslims pouring in?” and they wouldn’t answer.

      It is the moronic British way.

      • Wee Mental Davie

        For me, the Polish were never a problem. They take the blame for migrants but it’s the muslim that should be banned and banished from our lands.

        • Mary Ann

          And with attitudes like yours it’s hardly surprising that Muslims feel isolated and a few want to join Daesh, you are their recruiting man’s dream.

          • Christian

            Really? Would followers of the religion of peace be so easily drawn to a life of murder and brutality?

          • Hayekian

            Mary, I realize you love to troll this site but surely you don’t believe this nonsense. Doesn’t your assertion that people are so easily triggered into joining islamic state (and yes it is very islamic) reflect the racism of low expectations so typical of the left.
            If you’re feeling isolated my suggestion is that you drop the supremacist mysogynistic religion (much like the non-violent spiritual ones it really is complete nonsense when you look at it) leave the large black bags at home and join the civilized world. Come in the water is lovely!

          • BetrayedRosse

            Here comes the brains of the outfit. I feel so marginalised, I must run off and join a garish, woman hating, raping, backwards death cult. Said no one. Ever.

          • Richard

            They don’t need reasons. Look at Africa to see.

          • 9sqn

            Sometimes women like you can only be summed up in 3 words; stupid thick cow being 3 of them.

          • Caviar luvvie

            Aw diddums.
            If they feel isolated, they should quickly go back to their own countries.
            We have plenty of Hindus, Jews, Sikhs, etc who don’t feel isolated at all.
            I welcome them all.

          • Cobbett

            Yeah that’s right dear…mustn’t upset them must we?

          • Cyril Sneer

            So why do Muslims feel isolated but Sikhs, Buddhists, Hindus don’t?

            Racism right?

          • Cyril Sneer
        • Cobbett

          European migrants are the easy target….can’t be accused of ‘racism’

        • avi15

          That’s because you don’t know them. The Poles have a serious problem with anti-Semitism, not as bad as muslims but still bad.

      • Texas Sunday Morning

        Wait, you mean when New Labour imported a million, young, white, Catholic Eastern Europeans to bolster the volk?

        You should bless Mr Blair everyday for our modern Sobieskis

        • Richard

          The Poles were freely able to enter the UK as EU citizens without asking permission. The Third World people he imported had to be given visas and clearance by his government, which he did in a move to get their votes and impose his ideology. The two are in no way similar.

      • Cyril Sneer

        No it’s called liberalism and PC politics, hence the focus on white immigrants and not blacks for fear of being brandished a career ending racist.

        • Richard

          BUT, people voted him into power three times, and that was before there were so many “natural” Labour voters imported.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    For what it is worth:

    I love Paris in the Springtime
    I love Paris in the Fall
    I love Paris in the Winter.. when it drizzles
    I love Paris in the Summer… when it sizzles
    I Love Paris every moment
    Every moment of the year
    I love Paris
    Why oh why do I love Paris?
    Because my love is near.

    • justejudexultionis

      Will you still love Paris when it has become a Muslim-dominated no-go area in a few years’ time?

      • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

        You underestimate the “nature” of Europeans. Till then I will sing this:

        why must we meet
        in the shadows of Paris
        where hardly a star seems to shine

        why can’t we meet in the sunlight of Paris
        where Paris can see you’re mine.
        have you come to me
        from another
        whose lips you have tried

        do you still belong to another
        is that why we hide
        why am i cold
        in the sunlight of Paris
        where laughter and songs fill the skies

        why am i warm in the shadows of Paris
        when i know that dawn means goodbye

        have you come to me from another
        whose lips you have tried
        do you still belong to another
        is that why we hide

        why am i cold in the sunlight of Paris
        where laughter and songs fill the skies
        why am i warm in the shadows of Paris
        when i know that dawn means goodbye

  • Gilles Demaneuf

    Good paper, but is it Euro 2 million or more likely Euro 2 billion lost in cancellations? Check your numbers please.

  • jeffersonian

    ‘I thought I was being Ban Ki-moon, but it’s likely that I was mistaken for a sozzled middle-aged slapper up for a bit of fun.’

    Gold

  • JabbaPapa

    after spending three days in Paris two weeks after the Islamist massacre

    … directly contrary to the advice of the French Government and of the Parisian Préfecture to avoid all unnecessary trips to the capital in view of the direct terrorist threat.

    OK, if you’re a Londoner or anyone else living under a similarly direct threat, a trip to Paris will add little extra threat, but if not, no matter how slim the chances of being attacked may be, it is not good advice to suggest that anyone should take any unnecessary trips to any terrorist target locations.

  • But they will conquer it and they are doing so with the wombs of their women. The genuinely surprising thing is that ISIS and their ilk are so stupid as to try and arouse a response now, when they are within a couple of generations of an irreversible tipping point in Western Europe. Maybe they over estimate the resolve of our liberal elite. If they had the slightest clue about it’s spinelessness and self destructiveness they would be content to follow the practice of the ‘moderate’ Muslims, wail about the sins and evils of the West then screech ‘Islamophobia’ at the mildest response.

    We are fubar, and there is no answer to be found now in liberal democracy. If I was Julie I would be examining my conscience with regard to my part in how we got to this point

    • Richard

      I think it’s all about jostling now about how the spoils will be divided out. If you have ever lived in a decolonising society, you will know how this happens. The “moderates” tow the party line, waiting for their sweeties, while others push as far as they can to ensure some of those sweeties come their way, too. Make no mistake, maps and distribution of resources are already being considered, and preliminary plans being made.

    • JabbaPapa

      But they will conquer it and they are doing so with the wombs of their women

      I don’t think that this is true, but to the extent you do make a good underlying point, I’d say that it’s something that WE are doing with the wombs of our women, by the promotion of 24/7/365 contraception, abortion, childlessness, and homosexuality as positive values to be cherished, whilst we do all that we can to vilify and destroy the traditional family as a core virtue of life in our civilisation.

      • justejudexultionis

        Having a child is surely a choice, but I agree with you that our values are now profoundly corrupt.

        • JabbaPapa

          Having a child is surely a choice

          When I say “we” are doing it, I naturally include women in the word “we”.

      • Texas Sunday Morning

        The “traditional family” of stay at home mum, working dad, two or three kids and the pet dog in suburbia is a fleeting, post-war concoction brought about by full employment and the welfare state.

      • Cyril Sneer

        We (UK) are already one of the most populated countries in Europe and the western world, the only reason we need more people is to feed into business, there is no other reason.

        In 100 years time if we haven’t already been overrun by Islamics then our population and the increasing population of the world will become increasingly problematic.

        All I hear from certain people is that us Englanders and Europeans need to produce multiple children just like the 3rd world but to maintain our identity.

        I live in a world where common sense no longer exists with a government that puts economics before nation and through their policies they’re threatening our entire existence and European identity by importing 3rd worlders and all for one thing… money and power. And the answer I keep hearing is have more kids…

        • JabbaPapa

          I live in a world where common sense no longer exists

          As is evident from the gross internal inconsistencies of your own thinking.

          If “the only reason we need more people is to feed into business”, then why do you fret about being “overrun by Islamics”, and complain of “a government that puts economics before nation” ???

          • Vinnie

            your comment is so bloody stupid I just had to respond
            the first point is “reason” the second is “consequence” – I guess you didn’t receive a dictionary for Christmas? Trot on over to the Graun, you’ll fit right in.

    • justejudexultionis

      ‘no answer to be found now in liberal democracy’ —

      The answer is in Jesus Christ and a massive revival of Biblical Christianity throughout western Europe. Christianity, and Protestantism in particular, is what made Europe and the United States great.

      • Texas Sunday Morning

        No, being placed at the Western edge of the Eurasian continent within sailing distance of a soon to be empty (thanks mostly to disease) New World with all its resources is what did it, not the Middle Eastern death cult.

      • Caroline Burton

        Have you actually read the bible? Beheadings; dismemberments; stonings; burning at the stake; slavery; incest; pedophillia; it’s all there and more in the bible and there are some Christians today who still attempt to subjugate women. The only difference between Christianity and Islam is time; what brought Christianity out of the darkness will bring Islam out of the darkness. If not, we should ban all religions completely!

  • justejudexultionis

    ‘Parisiennes’ refers only to female Parisians. ‘Parisiens’ refers to male and female Parisians collectively, or male Parisians only.

    I spent five years in Paris and I can assure you that they are some of the most self-regarding, mean-spirited, arrogant, vain sons of ******* you are ever likely to meet, equalled only perhaps by the vile Athenians and those Bedouin bigots in Saudi Arabia.

  • Cobbett

    I love Paris(without the Afro-Arab population) I’d have no problem going there or anywhere else in France.

    • justejudexultionis

      You should probably buy a machine-gun just in case you meet any peace-loving Islamic chaps.

      • JabbaPapa

        Only in Paris have I ever had a run-in with an actual Islamist extremist.

        I’ve met many of the devout fundamentalist types in France, but with that one exception they’ve not been the sort to start dictating behaviour with anger and hatred in their faces, nor shown any inclinations to violence. Though my idiot immediate next-door neighbour does have the hate and anger part of it off by heart …

  • Touché.

    I like much about France – I live here. However, that short journey across Le Manche is an education in what is “le caractère français”. This includes: surliness, absolutely no smiling, indifference to dog mess, crazy driving “skills” (count the cars without dents), police who tend to look the other way, and a general shrugging of the shoulders to any kind of problem.

    But since recent events something has changed. People are smiling at each other in the supermarkets. It almost reminds me of Blighty.

    However, one must not become too complacent. As one stallholder at a local brocante fair admitted to me this weekend, that having moved from Toulouse to Avignon (a similar distance as London to Plymouth) he was finding it extremely difficult to fit in and seemed hugely relieved to speak to an English person about the problem. He said “You see, zee French, they are very deefficult to get to know, non?”

    • JabbaPapa

      Le Manche

      La.

      And the Avignonnais are complete snobs BTW.

      • justejudexultionis

        Is there an area in France that isn’t full of complete snobs (Paris, Bordeaux and the Côte d’Azur being the worst)?

        • avi15

          Brittany

        • JabbaPapa

          Paris, Bordeaux and the Côte d’Azur being the worst

          erm, no

          (Côte d’Azur is far too broad BTW, only **some** places there are snob breeding grounds)

          Paris, Beaune, Avignon, Cannes, St Tropez & area, Cognac AFAIK, La Dordogne if you make the mistake of going there with a UK passport, every Haute Savoie ski resort are among the places I’d call the worst.

          So unless you think the French are snobs by definition, the avoidance of overly touristy destinations, suburbia, rural wastelands, and the occasional no-go area such as the above should be sufficient. Not considered are Monaco and Andorra, as they’re not part of France — and microstates and similar territories are all very peculiar places anyway — or Corsica, as I simply don’t know the place, though Corsicans themselves are not renowned for heir welcoming ways, and they can certainly be very rough.

          Britanny, Gascony, Montpellier, Nîmes, much of the Var inland, Aix-en-Provence, Dijon, western Languedoc are all less snobbish places.

          • justejudexultionis

            I lived in Paris for five years and travelled all over France for my job. I’m sorry but the Côte d’Azur really is extremely snobbish.

          • JabbaPapa

            I’ve hiked through most of France — as for the Côte d’Azur, seriously, it does make a difference from one place to next — but anywhere you’d be likely to go into for work is indeed likely to be snobbish, so fair enough.

        • Stevie Mac

          I’ve always found the French to be friendly and often had pleasant interactions with them. Maybe because I am friendly to them. Also I don’t believe they can all be snobs, as working class people generally aren’t that way anywhere.

  • Cyril Sneer

    Meanwhile in Cologne a group of 1,000 young men of African and Arab origin are being hunted by Cologne police for a string of sexual assaults, rapes, robbery and throwing fireworks into crowds during the News Years Eve celebrations. Look at how they hate us, hate our celebrations and culture.

    Police described the attacks as ‘a completely new dimension of crime’

    What do you think Mary Ann?

    Do you reckon they were Sikhs?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3384423/German-police-hunt-group-1-000-men-Arab-North-African-origin-sexually-assaulted-numerous-women-threw-fireworks-crowds-Cologne-train-station-New-Year-s-Eve.html

    • WTF

      And the Mayoress of Cologne blamed the victims for being scantily dressed on New Years Ever. Once more, Islam trumps everything else whether sexism or homophobia.

      http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/mayor-of-cologne-says-women-should-have-code-of-conduct-to-prevent-future-assault-a6798186.html

    • Stevie Mac

      I was with you until you expressed a desire for children to freeze to death. That seems even worse than what they did…..”what sort of ‘people'” as you said, would advocate that?

      • Vinnie

        he never said that

        • Stevie Mac

          “I’d rather see them all freeze to death on the border of Serbia”

          “The Eastern European winter could not be harsh enough for these parasites and their offspring.”

          What is your argument? He doesn’t *want* children to freeze to death, he just prefers it to them gaining asylum in western Europe?

    • Germainecousin

      Thank you and well said. Mary Ann is almost certainly Miriam or Ahmed so no doubt will soon reply that it is all the fault of those pesky German women. Personally I would love to put Merkel into a crowd of her friends and see what she makes of her handiwork. Europe is dying in front of our eyes and all the brave media can do is skirt around the real issue.

      • Mary Ann

        Wrong, again. never mind.

    • Mary Ann

      I would like to see those who committed the attacks tried and if found guilty deported, how dare they treat our hospitality this way, I would also like to see the genuine refugees treated with respect and looked after.

    • Caroline Burton

      Have you seen where most of these people come from? Their homes and everything they loved has been destroyed. Maybe some opportunists should not be amongst them, but that’s no reason to wish them all dead. What kind of miserable creature are you that can dismiss thousands who have fled utter devastation? It’s your kind of mentality that caused millions of Jews to be first marginalised and then murdered. I make no excuses for anyone who hurts others, but I will not condemn thousands of people because some of them are criminals; anyone who does that is ignorant.

  • M P Jones

    After reading France orange méchanique and Soumission I’m afraid France has been added to the list of countries we no longer visit. Very sad. It used to be a lovely country in which we used to holiday every other year and visit regularly. We observed the changes over a decade or two and have now decided that it is a no-go area, just like many parts of British cities.

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