Rod Liddle

What the Great British Bake Off really says about Britain

It was won by the charming Nadiya Hussain. But does that mean that unlimited immigration is perfectly OK?

17 October 2015

8:00 AM

17 October 2015

8:00 AM

There was an interesting news item on the television the other day. A transgendered chap was hoping to become the world’s first dual-purpose father and mother to a baby. He had frozen his semen before the surgeons came along with their secateurs and staple gun. I turned to my wife and said: ‘One day the chill wind of Odin will blow down from the icy north and cleanse our nation of all purulence and disease.’ She said nothing by way of reply — but a moment or two later announced that she was going to bed, and would be sleeping in the spare room. She had a distressed expression upon her face.

I was left alone to mull over the possible cause of this sudden estrangement. Could it have been the Odin stuff? I suppose my statement did have a slightly right-of–centre ring to it and lacked a little empathy. But I meant the transgendered man/lady no harm and later, when I read a little more about him, I came to the conclusion that he seemed a fairly harmless creature who was not attempting to burden the taxpayer with his dream.

The problem is television, I think. Whenever I turn the set on, horrible thoughts of Odin charging down from the north invade my mind. It’s not just Fergal Keane and Huw Edwards, either; almost every kind of programme has the same sort of effect — costume dramas, sportscasts, light entertainment, reality shows. Especially, it has to be said, on the BBC.

Something called The Great British Bake Off has apparently been obsessing the country for the last few weeks — and particularly the final episode in which the winner was announced, a young Muslim woman called Nadiya Hussain. Some 14 million people tuned into the denouement, a fact which again summoned Odin borne on the baleful north wind, and into my head. Why would so many people wish to watch other people bake stuff? By what stretch of the imagination is that even remotely interesting? And as ever with TV reality shows, there was, to judge from the reviews (no, of course I didn’t watch it), the usual confected hysteria, the over-emoting, the faux seriousness.


And then there was the winner — plucked from a group of typically ‘diverse’ human beings which the BBC presumably thinks is representative of modern Britain. Or perhaps wishes was. A gay here, a foreigner there, a BME Brit and of course Nadiya. As the TV columnist Ally Ross put it, the BBC must have been dancing a multicultural jig of joy. All that was missing was a blind amputee, beating up his batter with a specially adapted hand whisk, transgendered guide dog wagging its tail close by.

The victory of Ms Hussain — who seemed, from her interviews, utterly charming — was heralded by all and sundry as evidence of ‘how far we have come’ and as a riposte to those antediluvians who believe Muslims only ever blow people up. Well, they don’t, see? Some of them bake cakes! Nadiya found herself on the front page of the Guardian, which publication would more normally regard such lowbrow entertainment a little sniffily. But they love Nadiya. Theresa May had just made her anti-immigration speech at the Conservative conference, suggesting that unlimited numbers of people flooding into the country made it ‘impossible’ to have a cohesive society. On the Guardian letters page, someone wrote: ‘Doesn’t Theresa May ever watch Bake Off?’

And so, because a veiled Muslim woman won a reality TV show, a show which embodies great British virtues such as eating cakes and drinking tea, unlimited immigration is perfectly tickety-boo? There really is no way no address such stupid arguments, no means by which we might prise some sense into skulls so comprehensively addled with left-liberal wishful thinking. Skulls which one would imagine are full, from ear to ear, of banana-flavoured ready-mix cake batter.

Some commentators were mistrustful of the politically correct result of the competition, to the extent that they doubted that it was a free and open contest — and thought that the BBC had perhaps gerrymandered the whole thing. That seems a little churlish to me. I have no way of knowing if Nadiya’s cakes were superior to the various infidel cakes on display — but it can’t be pleasant to have the pleasure in victory dampened by unkind souls, simply because of the colour of one’s skin.

It is more the notion of ‘look how far we have come’, a cringingly self–congratulatory little statement with which I would take issue. It is, for a start, a non-sequitur. As the editor of this magazine recently pointed out, one of the remarkable things about the mass immigration we have seen over the past two decades is that there has been little or no animus against the incomers. Nor, when Isis chops the heads off a bunch of Christians, do white British people take to the streets and torch the nearest mosque, or roam in packs beating up Muslims. People may dislike our present levels of immigration, whether because of the depreciating effect upon their wages or the obliteration of their local culture, and they may have one or two doubts about the ideology of Islam — but they do not take it out either on British Muslims or immigrants. That is simply the way in which the -middle-class lefties characterise an opposition to immigration among people upon whom they look down.

But we are not all Odinistas. Nadiya’s undoubtedly deserved success does not mean that our immigration policy (insofar as it can be so described) has been successful or that the numbers coming in are desirable. There is massive public opposition to more immigration — and rightly so, in my opinion. Nor does it gainsay Theresa May’s point that unlimited numbers of migrants will make a cohesive society problematic.

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  • jim jones

    She won because every Muslim in Britain voted for her

    • Rlloyd99

      No votes dearest jim just the judges decision on best bake. Are you our old friend Jim Crow perhaps ? Popping by for a spot of incitement?

      • Mongo

        the winner is chosen by the judges I think, so it’s not a public vote, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the cultural Marxist Beeb bosses issued them a three-line whip on which winner to select

        • vieuxceps2

          No, don’t knock the winner, whose products seemed most appetising.Blame instead those brainwashing self-loathing luvvy liblabs who’ve done us such harm.One swallow apparently, does make their summer.

    • JewishKuffar

      In wonder what would happen if she stood as an MP?

  • ViolinSonaten b minor.

    Did the more dubious Muslims living in the UK vote for Nadiya because they thought
    Alaska Bombe dessert had another meaning.

    • Mongo

      La Bombe Surprise!

    • vieuxceps2

      L G B T Z X rules – O K or even OKK Or KOK or….

      • ViolinSonaten b minor.

        I don’t know what a KOK is and I dare not ask 😀

  • Mongo Part II

    perhaps it’s time for the British public to begin showing a little more animus…

    • Paul Montgomery

      Isn’t showing your animus an arrestable offence?

  • AJH1968

    The left, and the luvvies in particular are crowing to the heavens, not unlike a group of Southern Baptists churning out kumbaya around a camp fire. I am not so much concerned with odinistas as I am with onanistas (the metro variety). However, my Mum says she deserved to win.

  • Harryagain

    Good article.
    The trouble with tokenism as opposed to merit is that we all know what’s going on, so these minorities are always suspect when we encounter them.
    I mean, the bla ckm an was always going to win the man Booker prize wasn’t he?

    • vieuxceps2

      Especially as he’s g a y it seems.Yet another minority with special privileges.Good lobbyists all.

  • Andy M

    The actions of those who jump on her success as a chance to say “look, see, they don’t all blow us up” say all that’s necessary. Desperately clinging to a single example to try to justify their ideology and at the same time patronising the poor woman involved, like she is some poor, misunderstood, marginalised individual. She’s integrated, she speaks with an English accent, she has a English sense of humour. Immigration enthusiasts and Islamophiles are simply using her for their own agenda which is to tell us that all immigrants and all worshippers of Islam are like this.

  • logdon

    The great British toss off is more like it.

    Masturbatory virtue signalling in full flight.

    At it’s most harmless, I guess, when it comes to baking cakes. Not so when councillors and police decide that it’s islamophobic to stop Pakistani’s raping under-age white girls.

    • rationality

      Light entertainment show celebrating British cooking + Asian Muslim woman with black sack on her head = Anti white propaganda jackpot

      Seeing how hideously ‘white’ the BBC is perhaps they can give Nadiya and her mates jobs there. Why not? Surely the BBC aren’t being racist, xenophobic blah blah are they?

    • explain that

      Me personally, I cannot be seen watching this dross.
      The cakes they bake are mostly inspired by Austrian-German imperial recipes now delivered by women in drag. Horrible.

      • beef encounter

        Pies should not be filled with apple, it should be meat!

    • smspf

      “It was won by the charming Nadiya Hussain. But does that mean that unlimited immigration is perfectly OK?”

      The causal link is about as far-fetched as it is telling us about what we should do in Syria, but then that’s just Rod having a really bad couple of days. Not to worry, he’ll be back on better form soon, I am certain.

    • greggf

      “The victory of Ms Hussain…….”

      Masturbatory virtue in flight; I was just in the middle of baking when he caught me at the oven…….
      “Ms” would ever contemplate such act………?

      • logdon

        As wankers themselves etc….

    • oldoddjobs

      At it is most harmless?

  • David Woolford

    another on point Spectator article. What exactly is the local culture that is being undermined. People fucked on drugs singing rule brittania or jerusalem. The sooner we dilute ‘traditional’ British culture the better. She did bake some good cakes too on some prgramme or other. 14 million people watched it. How many read the Spectator and of those how many are racists unable to live beyond their limited imaginations. I mean look at the comments on this article.

    • Mongo

      “The sooner we dilute ‘traditional’ British culture the better.”

      spoken like a true card-carrying Cultural Marxist traitor. Peace be upon you

      • David Woolford

        i’m not anything of the sort. You’re an immigrant as much as I am as anyone is

        • Mongo

          where are you from?

          • David Woolford

            planet earth. you?

          • Mongo

            go back to Earth, we don’t want your type here, foreign scum

      • wudyermucuss

        They do hate British culture and identity.
        That is what enforced mass immigration and enforced multiculturalism is all about.

    • Knives_and_Faux

      I’d like to dilute you in a barrel of acid.

      • David Woolford

        tried that before. didn’t like it

    • Malcolm Stevas

      You’re not a good advertisement for right-on tolerance and inclusiveness…

  • Knives_and_Faux

    Her head scarf slipped an inch and I suddenly had an enormous erection, maybe the Muslims are right.

    • Mongo

      I’m more disturbed by her eyebrows!

      • Knives_and_Faux

        Is that the Saudi brow?

  • Bonkim

    Why give this low brow programme the oxygen of publicity? And this Lady in head-scarf is not all that pretty or charming. Just ordinary.

  • Mongo

    just a thought – do you think the reaction (both positive and negative) to her win would have been different if she wore a full niqab (face veil) throughout her bakeoff appearance?

    • Andrew Cole

      No because then they might have suspected it was a pro hiding behind a disguise. SCAM, FIX

  • Malcolm Stevas

    This affair is a queasy mixture of patronising sentimentality and delusion. Rod Liddle hits the spot. And his question, rhetorical or not, is a good one: “Why would so many people wish to watch other people bake stuff? By what stretch of the imagination is that even remotely interesting?” It’s banal: instead of the usually depicted savage dystopian future in which the masses are entertained by Rollerball or some such brutal gladiatorial contest, 14 million people are apparently enthralled by pastry…
    I’ve never watched this programme, indeed watch hardly any TV, but it was impossible to avoid hearing of this young woman and her popular appeal. Strange, I thought. Personally, I find the sight of an otherwise pleasant young woman in England covered in desert garb is so incongruous and distracting that whatever else she says or does is lost on me.

    • cartimandua

      Well she has clearly accepted gender apartheid and that has outright horrid consequences.

      • Damaris Tighe

        What those fawning over her example fail to mention, is that she’s a stay at home mother – everything that you would have thought they’d be opposed to.

  • Jonathan Tedd

    This really isn’t going to help our obesity epidemic.
    Have you seen the trailers promoting the next ahem, spin off – it’s pottery. Pottery reality tv. At least my tv will make a satisfying crash as it plummets to the ground, living in the third floor.

    Tell me it was a dream about the pottery?

    • ViolinSonaten b minor.

      People are generally obese because they have no self control, they are lazy, or they are too exhausted after work to exercise. And they eat nuked junk food full of chemicals.
      A home baked cake using natural ingredients is far more healthy then the practically laboratory
      created slice of cake bought from Sainsbury’s that’s normally dry and heavy anyway.
      Nothing with pottery, it worked for Demi Moore and Patrick Swayze, although when I tried at School is always ended up as a sweaty mess on the floor.

      • Clive

        I’m a vegan teetotal fat bastard. I exercise every weekday for 35 mins on an exercise bike or rowing machine (week on/week off)

        I have the self control to be vegan and teetotal but I don’t disagree with you in that I obviously don’t have the self control to eat less than my daily calorific needs.

        It ain’t simple, though.

        • ViolinSonaten b minor.

          Well you’ve befuddled be I cannot understand why you would be chubby if
          all you consume are mung beans and nettle tea. And clearly no one can
          say its sleeping muscle.as you exercise. Maybe you are contented 😉

          • Clive

            Ah well, there’s the problem.

            You have a misguided view of vegans. Go into a branch of Holland & Barrett and you will find vegan food well above the bland.

            I still try to eat less and less and I still lose weight – when I do – very slowly.

            Heigh ho

        • AJH1968
    • Cyril Sneer

      I’m so glad I don’t pay my licence fee.

  • cartimandua

    No one wearing a head bag is “charming”. They are wearing fundamentalism on their heads.

  • Yorkieeye

    Would it be emblematic of anything if the winner had been fully veiled? It’s pretty hard to form any opinion of a person one cannot see but that’s the reality all over West Yorkshire. And that snotty cow Emma Thompson has the nerve to call Britons racists.

    • wudyermucuss

      And in many parts of London.
      And increasing all the time.

  • Damaris Tighe

    I don’t know how many Muslims in Britain are like Nadya. I do know that many are not like Nadya. That’s the point. The patronising fawning over this lady, who I’m sure is a good, decent woman, is the triumph of hope over reality – a desperate attempt to use one person (like Mo, the athlete) as representative of the whole mass immigration experience. That she is used in this way in the first place, shows that there’s a problem & that the fawners know it.

    And, I’m sorry, Nadya may not be wearing the veil to make a political statement, but many of her co-religionists do, & that is how it should be taken.

    • rationality

      They don’t integrate so it was a misrepresentation. The BBC lying to fit an agenda. No way!

    • Atlas

      The phrase “British Muslim” is an oxymoron and Muslims in Britain are the enemy within. It is going to take more than a bit of baking and a few exaggerated facial expressions to persuade me otherwise.

      • smspf

        Persuade you otherwise? That would be a hopeless endeavour not unlike attempting to make a crumble rise in the fridge.

    • robbydot

      The only reason to wear it is political, the ‘religion’ never used to demand it.

    • bugshead

      The media should not be rubbing these damned Muslims into our faces. Charming or not they represent an alien and unpleasant culture that makes no effort or pretence to assimilate into our society – and nobody has deigned to ask the British whether we want them. Meanwhile the number of mosques continues to grow apace

      As for the absurd efforts to portray that Somalian runner as some kind of ‘British’ product.

  • Ken

    The photo makes her look quite sinister… In fact all the finalists were foreigners, which gives the lie to the cosy image promoted by Mary Berry. If the final result was not stage managed by the BBC it is still jolly convenient for the promoters of immigration. I doubt that many Muslim women in Britain bake cakes, since the recipe books are in English and they are mostly unable to speak or read the language.

  • zanzamander

    When France won the 1998 World Cup it was hailed as a victory of “Black, Blanc, Beur” all living happily cheek by jowl, and wasn’t immigration just wonderful, a God given right for people to migrate wherever desired.

    All that euphoria actually bore no resemblance to the reality on the ground, in ghettos, in communities, in schools, at work, in politics etc. France is more divided than ever and literally is just a hear beat away from a full blown civil war – all despite the best efforts of their media, politicians, celebrities and academia to ram Islam and the wonders of muticulture down their throat.

    And so Ms Hussain’s victory. It has no connection or relevance to the British society at large except for the fact that our Islamo hugging thought police and brainwashers general will try every trick in the book, and many not even in the book, to present us with a reality that exists only in their minds.

    Unlike you though, I have no doubt that BBC had more to do with Ms Hussain’s victory than meets the eye and they have already moved on to their next bit of propaganda.

    • scampy

      Exactly if this lady had taken that black rag off her head and threw it in the dustbin she would have done much more for downtrodden muslim women

  • Derek Custance

    Perhaps Nadiyah should direct her new found influence where it is most needed, ie on the millions of Muslims who have chosen to live in the UK but show little sign of wanting to fully integrate with the indigenous population who, as Rod points out, have shown truly remarkable tolerance in the face of much provocation. Such tolerance does not seem to exist in Muslim countries?

    • wudyermucuss

      All the freedom ranking charts show Islamic countries,(and remember Islam means submission) very low down.

  • Blindsideflanker

    Nadyia might seem to be a pleasant person, but you cannot get around the fact that she chooses to wear fascistic religious garb, that is an alienating factor, and very divisive.

    Queen Elizabeth I said she didn’t want a window into men’s souls, saying religion was a private matter, on that cultural value we have build a successful society . Immigrants, like Nadyia . have arrogantly chosen to ignore the lessons of the country she has come to , and sought to publicise her religion at all times. That is not British.

    • Clive

      The Scottish wear kilts; orthodox jews wear 19th century eastern european garb (God knows why that represents anything holy); priests wear all sorts of strange stuff, especially the glitzy orthodox ones.

      Who gives a toss.

      • Damaris Tighe

        As with many issues, it’s simply a matter of numbers. Tiny communities wearing strange garb aren’t a problem. A very large group of people wearing desert garb become ‘in your face’ & challenge the culture of the whole country. Not to mention that Scots wear kilts in their own country & usually only for ceremonial reasons.

        • Clive

          The hijab is meant to cover the hair to stop me going bonkers with lust at the sight of the woman. As is the sheitel.

          Is the sheitel ok ?

          • Damaris Tighe

            The sheitel is completely bonkers & from a social point of view not ok. But they are used by a tiny group of women & they don’t stand out because they’re just wigs. They don’t challenge majority culture.

          • Clive

            You see, the fact that they’re wigs is even more comical and suggests an attachment to a tradition which some here would say was divorced from British life.

            I don’t say that. I say Britain is a combination of many cultures. There are those who don’t watch television at all – some orthodox Jews and Plymouth brethren, Jehovah’s Witnesses all sorts. There are probably people who walk around with cabbages on their heads. What do I care.

            These traditions and their practices almost invariably seem to be based in religion but a lot of their adherents are born into them, as Nadiya probably was.

            I can see that it would be difficult for a person to repudiate their culture, especially when they are young.

            I can also see that some of these people are making a political statement. They will make that statement in other ways as well. That is part of our open political culture and I’m glad of that, too.

            These things change, if they change, over a long time.

          • Blindsideflanker

            “I say Britain is a combination of many cultures”

            Rubbish.

          • Clive

            I am part Irish part English.

            When do you want to draw the line ? The Norman invasion ? Earlier ?

          • Blindsideflanker

            So when you go to court are you confronted with the choice of if you go to the Irish court or the English court? For the law is a product of culture.

            The fact there is only one Law in England ( thought the British establishment are trying to allow Sharia law into the land) English law, so whether you like it or not you have to conform to one culture.

          • Clive

            And I am all for that. We have no quarrel of you are saying that there is a cultural foundation in this country which we want preserved. I want it preserved as well.

            There is no reason for Islam to be in conflict with that. We have to be alert to some problems of integration in every immigrant community. Various forms of corruption, etc. but they are not peculiar to Muslims

            I bet in a few years there will be a Polish political presence in Parliament. It is also true that the majority religion in the UK is now Catholicism because of immigrants http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1573452/Britain-has-become-a-Catholic-country.html.

          • Blindsideflanker

            Daniel Kawczynski MP

          • Clive

            There yer go

          • hobspawn

             “There yer go”

            One half Polish MP proves that any rate of immigration of culturally distant people is a good idea. The stupidity of your arguments is amazing.

          • Clive

            I am sick of your invective. Be polite or go to hell. Go directly to hell. Do not collect 200 indulgences which the Christian church would have sold you. Where is that justified in the Bible ?

            So Christians are a bunch of crooks, the sale of indulgences proves it

          • wudyermucuss

            I am sick of your head in the sand false equivalence platitudes.

          • Mr B J Mann

            No there you don’t go.

            He’s probably not the first Pole, you just haven’t noticed.

            He doesn’t wear traditional Polish peasant costume.

            He’s not demanding special treatment and respect for Polish religion.

            He not demanding people who call him a Polack, or even those that shorten his background to Pole rather than Polish be locked up

            He’s not demanding that all meat served in schools be Polish sausage.

            Or that schools celebrate Polish religious festivals.

            Or that they provide interpreters for Polish kids (most new immigrants probably speak English better than most of their classmates).

            Oh, and most of their classmates probably have no idea that the Poles were the clinching factor in the Battle of Britain, never mind been “taught” to imagine what it’s like to be denied the right to march in the victory parade and have your country handed over to that lovely uncle Joe Stalin, and then draw a poster of it for their GCSE coursework!

          • Clive

            …and Winston Churchill apparently very nearly became a Muslim because of their role in India. He despised the Hindus.

          • nicnac

            Unlikely. Check out his speech of 1899 which begins: ” How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries…” ” .. as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog ” etc. etc.

          • wudyermucuss

            Churchill’s views about Islam are well known,and not apparently,actually.

          • Mr B J Mann

            Interesting. Something neither I, nor anyone I know, knew about.

            Where could I find out more?!

          • Malcolm Stevas

            It’s nice that you think there is “no reason for Islam to be in conflict with” our culture but evidence (e.g. polls, consistently since at least 9/11) suggests an alarmingly high proportion of Muslims hold views not just in conflict with ours but positively inimical to them.

          • Clive

            You are right about the ‘significant minority’ but what do you suggest ? Further demonising Muslims ? Throwing them all out in impractical as well as inhumane. They must be integrated at least to the point where they are no kind of threat. It takes time.

            The remark you quote was to combat the suggestion that the ideology of Islam prevents the cooperation of Muslims in a western democratic state.

            What I am saying is that whatever the book says – and the book contradicts itself all over the place – in practice Muslims are living peacefully in western societies

            We have come through these problems before. There was a time when Puritans felt they could not live in England. Before that, Catholics. Before that, Protestants. Various religious denominations have tried to set limits on the state. They must be resisted but tolerated.

            I take as my model for that tolerance Oliver Cromwell. He selected his cavalry troopers by the strength of their religious beliefs as well as other factors. He was also instrumental in allowing the Jews back into Britain after over 300 years of expulsion. He wanted their financial contacts.

          • Malcolm Stevas

            Your Civil War references neglect the central fact that they were all English, with far more in common with one another than the politico-religious differences over which they fought. The diaspora of the Subcontinent and Africa which our rulers have permitted to occupy large areas of urban England is not English, never will be, and largely seems not to want to be in any case.

          • hobspawn

             “You are right about the ‘significant minority’ but what do you suggest ? Further demonising Muslims ? Throwing them all out in impractical as well as inhumane. They must be integrated at least to the point where they are no kind of threat. It takes time.

            You make no sense. It is not about throwing people out. It is about recognising that we need to stop the unsustainable rates of immigration because it will take hundreds of years to integrate the immigrants we already have. The evidence is all around you, from Rotherham, to 7/7, to Lutfur Rahman.

          • Mr B J Mann

            So you’re saying we should go back to the middle ages and start again?!

          • Andrew Cole

            There is no way of generalising as ‘muslims this’ or ‘muslims that’. There are aspirational muslims that are just like the indians in the 60s onward that want to move up, want to live in that nice suburban house or a cottage with an English Garden and live a British life.

            There are others that do not want to live, mix with, integrate at all. They want to live in areas where everyone is like them.

            The same can be said about the eastern europeans. There are many that want to move on and enjoy Britain for being Britain. They want to progress and improve their lives. There are others that do not want to live with, mix with or integrate and they tend to stick to the same areas too.

            There are areas in the UK where areas are almost completely muslim complete with muslim businesses and shops. There are areas which are now completely eastern european where the corner shops which were the ‘stereotypical’ domain of the Pakistani entrepreneur are now Polish shops. In many cases because the Pakistani went out of business because the Eastern Europeans wouldn’t buy from his shop.

            I know lots of Polish people and Muslim people from working alongside them. A reasonably fair but minority proportion (40/60) of the Polish/Eastern Europeans mix with the Brits socially. A very small proportion of the muslims do. I have friends that are Polish and they say the same too. They often get bored of doing Polish things all the time. I don’t have any muslim friends though. Not through any choice I have made. Just that outside of work they are not interested in socialising with the British.

            My point is just like the chap on QT last night. We are in danger of becoming like the US cities where there are black areas and Latino areas etc. That is segregation and not integration.

          • Todd Unctious

            But they don’t hunt foxes while dressed as characters from Jane Austen.

          • wudyermucuss

            There is every reason for Islam to be in conflict with that.

          • Paul Montgomery

            Polish political presence in Parliament.

            Already is pal. Products of the 1939 inflow of Poles.
            And the only way you can tell their ethnic background is that their surnames are hard to spell. They do not force their women to dress in odd clothing, indulge in suicide bombing etc etc.

          • Todd Unctious

            I am part Irish, part Cornish and two parts Devonian.

          • Tamerlane

            In other words a worzel.

          • Todd Unctious

            Wurzels come from Zummerset. Wurzels are English.

          • Tamerlane

            Last time I checked Devon was in England, so btw is Cornwall, yeah i know there’s all that Cornish identity bull but the blood’s so diluted these days it’s meaningless tosh…well…except for people with meaningless lives…like you.

          • Todd Unctious

            You didn’t check very well then . Devon is in England ,but Devonians are not English. The recent Welcome Trust studies of DNA published in the Journal Nature by Professors Robinson and Donnelly from Oxford show Devonians as one of the most homogeneous ethnic groups in the British Isles, going back over 2,000 years. The Devenish share no genes with the Anglo-Saxons. The latter colonised only as far as Dorset, but also up to Newcastle. The much vaunted Viking incursions left very few genetic traces other than in West Scotland and the Isle of Man.
            The Cornish and the Devenish are old Celts like the North Welsh.

          • Tamerlane

            Oh what a load of twaddle, I’ve heard that line all over the world, you just want to be different and special Yvonne/Barry. Well you are, just not in the way you think.

          • Todd Unctious

            Try reading the study. Devonian are different. You are jealous because you cannot prove any uniqueness for yourself . a big standard bore. I can trace my family tree back to 1372 within a 10 mile radius of where I was born…in Devon. Pretty special compared to your dull conformity and blandness.

          • Tamerlane

            Oh Gawd, yes Yvonne/Barry you’re extra special amazing, the world is jealous and envious of you… we all wish we could be like you etc etc.

          • Todd Unctious

            Let’s say two generations like the FA do, so 1959.

          • Mr B J Mann

            “These things change, if they change, over a long time.”

            Exactly.

            A MASSIVE change has been FORCED on the culture SUDDENLY

            And these things WON’T change, and if they do change, it will be over a very long time.

          • Clive

            So how would you make them change any more quickly ?

            This bearing in mind that British culture has always evolved slowly and carefully

          • hobspawn

             “So how would you make them change any more quickly?”

            Stop these unprecedented levels of immigration so that we can concentrate on the integration of the immigrants we already have, God bless them.

          • Clive

            I believe immigration should be slower because of our population density. I also believe we should reduce our birth rate.

            Cultural pollution is coming from all over the place and – thank God – it’s a two way street and I would say that the British cultural values side is winning.

          • hobspawn

             “I believe immigration should be slower because of our population density.”

            If I thought that meant that you would actually do something about it and vote UKIP, then I would salute you, brother. We can’t do what you suggest until we quit the EU and remind our government that its secular task is to represent our interests only.

          • Clive

            I am a member of UKIP and I voted UKIP at the last election

          • hobspawn

            Good for you. I’m glad we have found common ground. Keep up the good work! I will now fast track forgiving you for telling me to go to Hell 🙂

          • Clive

            OK

          • Todd Unctious

            Then you Sir ,are an ass.

          • robbydot

            How could you say anything so blatantly stupid?

          • Todd Unctious

            He is kipper,they are all stupid.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            No I think we should increase our birthrate as indigenous Caucasians. Our replacement levels are too low as it is.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            No. We will have to change suddenly. That is the expectation of our cultural Marxism leaders. That has been the narrative, or did you miss that?

          • Mr B J Mann

            Ermmmm, my point was you can’t.

            So we are lumbering ourselves with an ever growing incompatible culture which will destroy ans replace the existing one.

            Look at previously “secular” Turkey, Bosnia, Kosovo, Persia, Iraq, Libya, Syria…………..

        • Shazza

          Another point – neither the Scots nor the religious minorities mentioned above wish to impose their style of clothing or value systems on the rest of us by whatever means possible.

      • Blindsideflanker

        Kilts are somewhat different to a fascistic religious cult that seeks to impose its way on others. As to Jews and Sikhs also wearing religious garb, I am not too happy with that either, but unlike the fascistic religious arm of Islam, they keep a low profile, don’t continuously seek to take offence, don’t demand the rest of society changes to accommodate them, and above all aren’t trying to kill us.

        • Clive

          Nadiya Hussain is not trying to kill me – except maybe through over eating, although I don’t think even that.

          There were certainly people in the ‘Yes Scotland’ campaign who took a fascistic view of the tartan. There are people in Jewish orthodox garb who are every bit as touchy as any Muslim.

          You are attributing the characteristics of the most extreme of the group to the whole group. There has unquestionably been a problem with some Pakistani (in particular) Muslim groups in Britain which led to the school governors’ resignation, etc. It needs attention. It is not all Muslims.

          The IRA deliberately bombed mainland UK to start a backlash against all Irish people in the UK. It partially worked. It led to the Guildford 4 and the Birmingham 6 (I might have that wrong, anyway places with numbers after them) and a sense of persecution among some Irish people in the UK.

          That’s stupid. That is giving help to the enemy. The vast majority of Muslims in this country are not the enemy.

          • Blindsideflanker

            “You are attributing the characteristics of the most extreme of the group to the whole group”

            Of which Nadyia is a part. The head gear get up she was wearing is not , or was not, normal Bangladeshi fashion, not until Wahhabism made its presence felt in Pakistan and Bangladesh.

            What is more, while other religions have found an accommodation with the state, that can’t be said of Islam. Muhammad’s whole ideology was to impose a total solution where the Jews and Christians he believed had failed. There is no give unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s in Islam, as a result the adherents to Islam never know where to stop, with the result there is a seamless transition within Islam from your Nadiya’s to the head chopping nutters.

          • Clive

            Islam obviously has found an accommodation with the state because it exists in our state and the states of many other western countries without problem.

            You are talking about extremists, not about Muslims or any other group. The Waco siege in the USA was about Branch Dravidians; Timothy McVeigh blew up a federal building in revenge for it.

            There are plenty of extremists about and most of those have religious explanations for what they do. Nevertheless, it is the extremists that are the threat to all of us – including Nadiya.

            Nadiya is part of the group of non-extremists – and so am I and so are you.

          • Damaris Tighe

            Nadiya is representative of a very non-assimilated community, made far worse because of the very large numbers. Being able to bake a cake doesn’t change this.

          • Clive

            What do you mean by ‘non-assimilated’ ? The hijab ?

            That is only a guide to a state of assimilation if you assume every hijab is a political statement

            I would say the vast majority of them are cultural relicts – inherited habits – and fashion statements

          • Damaris Tighe

            The kafiyyah was worn by many Palestinian & Jordanian men. Amongst the older generation it was virtually universal. Then it was made the symbol of the PLO & right-on westerners started wearing it as a scarf. This changed the kaffiyah into a political statement, whatever the intention of the wearer.

            The hijab & other forms of Islamic head covering have gone through the same transition. They’re no longer merely cultural but ideological statements. The wearer must know that when she chooses to wear one. And it also explains the huge uptake in hijab & veil wearing by the younger generation.

          • Clive

            There our views simply differ.

            I don’t think there is enough political interest in any community to create the wearing of so many hijabs / niqabs / whatever. A couple of the women who work in my local Asda wear hijabs. They smile at people. They are no dour Muslim soldiers.

            That’s not to say there are no such people nor that they do not wear hijabs. It’s just my view that most of this stuff is traditional or social, not political.

          • Malcolm Stevas

            The tents are the antithesis of a “fashion statement”: they are a calculated rejection of fashion and a deliberate effacement of womanhood. They have no place in Western Europe or any civilised society.

          • Clive

            I believe that among young British women – as opposed to household women being towed around by Middle Eastern arabs – hijabs, etc. have become something of a fashion statement http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10105062.

          • Damaris Tighe

            This is what terrifies me.

          • Clive

            It does quite the opposite to me. There is a distinct phase in child development when the child wants to conform and be liked by the group but also to have an individual identity.

            The hijab and other fashion fits into that space.

            So do extreme political views . Many communists became so when they were young without really grasping what it was.

            I don’t think the hijab and the political views need to coincide at all.

          • wudyermucuss

            A belief is an idea with no evidence.
            You have lots of beliefs.

          • Blindsideflanker

            “Nadiya is part of the group of non-extremists”

            Don’t include me in Nadiya’s values, for I don’t go round wearing a fascistic religious uniform.

            As for Islam making an accommodation with the States around the world, I am sorry but it hasn’t.

            Buddhists are a pretty laid back bunch. but not for Islam, for Islam has picked a fight with them, blowing up ancient religious statues as well as waging a terrorist war on Thailand.

            Philippines are a pretty inoffensive nation , not for Islam for they are waging a terrorist war against them.

            Same with Canada., Australia, USA, UK, France, Spain, Italy, Russia.

            Where ever Islam is in the minority you get terrorism, where ever Islam is in the majority you get oppression.

          • Damaris Tighe

            Although Abu Dhabi has just allowed a hindu temple on land donated by its ruler. A beacon of light, perhaps? The ruler had better watch his back though …

          • Malcolm Stevas

            “Without problem” is, at the risk of severe understatement, a bit contentious. It depends how happy you are to see your native culture diluted and assaulted, your communities taken over…
            As for the clothing, unlike the kilts to which you refer amusingly, the tent-like garb affected by so many Muslims is, in an English environment, bizarre, incongruous, medieval, alien, calculated to upset or offend, and not a little threatening.

          • Clive

            Except that the vast majority of Muslims – like Mohammad with whom I used to work – do not wear a ‘tent-like’ garment.

            The fact is, Muslims are largely unproblematic. The nutters who go to ISIS for their holidays are, as far as I can tell, young an impressionable.

            The best analogy with them are those who went from Britain to the Spanish Civil War in the 1930s. Their real problem is an inflated sense of injustice which an unreasonable opposition to all Muslims will just make even bigger.

          • Malcolm Stevas

            Bit like saying Germans were largely unproblematic pre-WW2 since a solid majority did not vote for the NSDAP in 1933… In polls from 9/11 on, anything up to a third or so of UK Muslims have expressed views either openly supportive of extreme Islamist acts or at least far from condemnatory.

          • Clive

            The Germans were largely unproblematic in 1933. Adolf managed to create a sense of grievance and a scapegoat and it all kicked off.

            This is from Feb 2015
            http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31293196
            The majority of British Muslims oppose violence against people who publish images depicting the Prophet Muhammad, a poll for the BBC suggests.

            The survey also indicates most have no sympathy with those who want to fight against Western interests.

            But 27% of the 1,000 Muslims polled by ComRes said they had some sympathy for the motives behind the Paris attacks.

            Almost 80% said they had found it deeply offensive when images depicting the Prophet were published.

            So that was 27% on what is an extremely contentious point. The thing is, what do you suggest is done ? Expel them all ?

          • Malcolm Stevas

            Stop cutting them any slack whatsoever. Stop importing any more, except for the half-dozen or so rocket scientists (etc) who might genuinely be of value. Stop compromising in terms of English culture, i.e. cease forthwith the slightest manifestation of multiculturalism. Stop admitting so-called asylum seekers, most of whom appear to be economic migrants. Institute zero tolerance of illegals, who must be expelled summarily. Give preference to applicants for citizenship from Anglophone countries and Europe: require very high degrees of fluency in English…
            Not necessarily in this order. I could go on, but coffee calls.

          • Clive

            You are saying we should apply these restrictions only to Muslims ? I don’t think we could do that legally. We have to grant asylum to those legitimately seeking it. That’s European law so it would take some shifting.

            Nor, as you can see, would I want to.

            Multiculturalism is already dead. We are trying to integrate if i understand govt policy correctly.

            Why allow immigration from Europe ?

            Other requirements you cite like fluency in English have become the case already. Illegals are supposed to be expelled, etc. but we have to go through procedures dictated by EU and ECHR law

          • Malcolm Stevas

            Only for so long as we (rather, our political leaders) want to. We are not obliged by Act of God to follow the dictates of “European law” or any foreign body. Further to your poll figures, according
            to the PEW Global Attitudes Survey in 2006 around 14% of British Muslims indicated that they had a “lot of” or “some” confidence in
            Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda; when asked whether they sympathised with those offended by cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad, 52% of British Muslims sympathised. Another poll carried out by ICM that year found that four out of 10 British Muslims wanted sharia law introduced into parts of Britain; in thesame poll, 20% of British Muslims said they sympathised with the “feelings and motives” of the suicide bombers who carried out the London 7/7 attacks.

          • Clive

            Yes and as I said before, it is hardly helpful to demonise the whole Muslim population of the UK in order to combat that kind of opinion

            It would be better to find those who sympathise with enemy beliefs and convince them otherwise.

            It is also unhelpful to reinforce the sense of injustice of those Muslims who have the same amount of sympathy for these terrorist groups as you do – which is the majority of them

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            Do you think if the inverse were true, we, as a vocal minority in Islamic society would be treated as you hope. You are deluded.

          • wudyermucuss

            Fluency in English?
            One rarely hears English where I live.
            Regarding laws,they simply need changing.

          • nicnac

            ” The nutters who go to ISIS for their holidays ….” They’re completely unaware of the barbarism, mass murder and slavery are they?
            ” Muslims are largely unproblematic…” Rubbish, their passive/aggressive and, often, downright aggressive offence-taking in this country stretches back for several decades.
            The Spanish Civil War analogy is not a good one. Fighting for a democratically elected government is not the same as fighting for a brutal totalitarian ideology that seeks to invade and subjugate all who stand in its way.

          • Clive

            You are (yet again) attributing the attitudes of a minority to the majority in the Muslim community

            There are problems there, no question – but exaggerating them does not help

            The Spanish Civil War attracted idealists from all over Europe and the World into the International Brigade. I would not be surprised if many of them were not at all clear what they were fighting for

            They were young idealists, as are many of those who have gone to ISIS. The local people fighting for ISIS do it for the money, it seems.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            And increasingly larger minority by the day. When does it become a problem in your eyes? When the house of commons is a smouldering pile of rubble.
            If all you believe is the misinformation fed from the BBC and your own middle class existence which hasn’t been affected by this catastrophe your hopes are nothing more than fantastic dreams.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            Without problem???
            Where in earth have you been?
            Another apologist with a fantasists view of the world in which we live.

          • Clive

            So what are the problems of which you speak which afflict the relationship between the British state and the Muslim community ?

            Don’t talk to me about ISIS and all that stuff, this is about Britain

          • wudyermucuss

            There is roughly one anti terrorist arrest a day,overwhelmingly of Muslims.

          • hobspawn

             “There is roughly one anti terrorist arrest a day,overwhelmingly of Muslims.”

            Yikes! I didn’t know that. This has gone too far. I am an anti terrorist. Better lie low.

          • Todd Unctious

            So say 350 of whom 280 are Islamic. Of a now population of 2.8 million that is only one in 10,000.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            Less than 5000 of the nutters managed to take over large parts of Iraq and Syria.. What is your point?

          • wudyermucuss

            Supported by a sizeable minority of the Muslim population.
            Younger generations are more radical than their parents.
            All polls show much higher support for the most horrific views than 1 in 10,000.

          • nicnac

            They’ve been loudly offence-taking for decades, all sorts of aspects of British culture seem to offend them. Why do they stay?

          • Todd Unctious

            Warm ale and the climate.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            Only the fact that the British state bends over backward to accomodate the “needs”, translate as demands of the Muslim community over and above the needs of the rest. Organisations like MCAB agitating for change, for us to change to accommodate them.
            How many speeches have included phrases such as “we need more Muslims in positions of power” even prime minister no less.
            Surely it is the duty of any new arrival here to embrace the host culture, the host nation and all its ways to truly integrate.
            Instead we have the faux outrage , the faux offence at anything which could be interpreted as not taking them and their religion to our bosom.
            Like I said how would our needs be accommodated in muslim lands?
            Simple answer they are not.
            Integration is a fallacy concocted by the lefists.
            Yes there are the some who have embraced our great nation. But take a walk around many of our northern cities and towns and the picture is the total opposite. As it is in nearly 800 no go zones in France, Sweden, now Germany.
            Either you are walking around with blinkers on or you need your head bumps felt.

          • wudyermucuss

            There are plenty of extremists about –
            Overwhelmingly Muslim.

          • wudyermucuss

            It is not all Muslims…….. The vast majority of Muslims in this country are not the enemy. –
            No.
            It is not a vast majority.
            Significant minorities support sharia law and suicide bombings,death for apostates.
            They all,all,revere their prophet,a paedophilic mass murdering warlord and consider him the perfect human.

          • robbydot

            How do you know that?

          • Todd Unctious

            They come over here with their hijabs and their bloody spicey food and all they do is make cake, run corner shops and regularly perpetrate terrorist outrages. No right thinking Catholic is safe. God save the Queen.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            You forgot to mention the industrial scale rape of our white underage girls. That is a countrywide problem in the Muslim community, not just Pakistani.
            This is cultural and religious and prevalent throughout all Muslim communities the world over.
            From birth their children are desensitised to violence and misogyny through their mosques and imams. It is glorified just as it was in the days of Mohammed.
            They may not want to kill you now and smile at you. This is ingrained in their psyche. No flip flopped leftard is going to change this. Remember this, things change. Headscarves were not seen in Iran in the 70s, miniskirts were more prevalent. Now they are throwing people off buildings and hanging people.
            Food for thought or are you so elitist that you think it couldn’t happen here.
            Think how many Muslims are in senior positions in or around government. All we need is one like Turkeys incumbent and it changes very quickly.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            No she is not trying to kill you. But her religious leaders are preaching that very thing. If don’t you believe them when they tell you exactly what they believe then it is lost.
            Wake up, smell the coffee and hold onto your wives and daughters.
            http://www.raymondibrahim.com/islam/abducting-women-and-destroying-churches-is-real-islam-iraqi-grand-ayatollah/

            You may sneer at the source, but I’m afraid he has lived it and seen it with his own eyes.
            Everyone else in the west seems content with the mainstream fluffy bunny portrayal.
            I’m not.

      • Mr B J Mann

        I’ve never seen a kilt or 19th century Eastern European garb in the street.

        I might have seen the former where peopl are “dressing up”, but I don’t recall seing the latter ANYWHERE in real life!

        Where do you live?!

        In Edinburgh’s historic Jewish Quarter?

        Or Warsaw’s historic Scottish Quarter?!

        • Clive

          There is an orthodox Jewish community in North London. There are others in western Europe as well.

          I have certainly seen kilts on men in the street and I do not live in Scotland.

          • Mr B J Mann

            Wow!

    • ViolinSonaten b minor.

      And yet Islam use their religion to hide behind like as they commit atrocities
      in its name, quite often hiding behind a Burka ( of which can be worn by men also,
      as Islamic men are of a slight build). .
      Acknowledging those who commit such crimes as belonging to a ‘ religion’ legitimises
      and protects them. Sikhs wear a Turban, its not about religious clothing as they are
      not hiding themselves away in clothing like a shroud.

      • Clive

        It could still be used as a weapon and a turban is religious garb – although Sikhs are one of the most reliable of all immigrant communities.The story below is not about a Sikh.
        http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jul/27/kandahar-mayor-killed-explosives-turban
        Afghan insurgents appeared to continue their assassination campaign against key public figures on Wednesday with the killing of the mayor of Kandahar.

        Ghulam Haider Hamidi was targeted by a suicide bomber who got into the municipality compound in Kandahar City with explosives concealed under his turban. The technique was first used earlier this month in a mosque in the city during a memorial service for Ahmed Wali Karzai, a regional strongman and half-brother of the president.

        • Blindsideflanker

          Sikhism as a religion makes more sense than Christianity, but that still doesn’t get around the fact that wearing religious garb outside their place of worship creates division in society.

          • Clive

            No it does not. Priests wear black sacks all over the place and have for years.

            You are in danger of being French.

          • Damaris Tighe

            Yes, but they’re OUR priests.

          • Clive

            Who is ‘US’ in that context ? You would have to have some DNA test and then what would you be looking for ?

            We are mongrels. It’s a good thing. That Austrian chappie had some idea about racial superiority, turned out they weren’t superior at all. Jesse James beat the lot of them to the draw in 1936.

          • Damaris Tighe

            Don’t be daft Clive. I’m talking about culture & you know it.

          • Clive

            Well, you’d probably struggle with a Coptic priest and they are being persecuted by extremist Muslims. The same with Orthodox priests who wear funny hats.

            These are all cultural artefacts. They just have not attracted much attention, that’s all.

            If some British tourists got caught up in a crossfire between Settlers and Hamas in Jerusalem and the Settlers killed them, suddenly the media would show up in Golders Green taking pictures. Suddenly, all those people would be terrorists

            They’d better learn to bake.

          • Malcolm Stevas

            Ah, that old saw, knew it would raise its head… “Mongrels” forsooth! The English are in anthropological & genetic terms a fairly close-knit grouping of European peoples from the Germanic North West. I believe we are slightly more homogeneous in this respect than our Continental cousins. Next, you’ll be saying we’re a nation of immigrants.

          • Clive

            We’re a nation of immigrants

            Glad to help

          • Malcolm Stevas

            So you think evolution is over? That’s certainly idiosyncratic… It’s not a matter of belief, chum: the facts of our racial/genetic heritage are beyond dispute. They made us what we are. I like being English, think it’s rather special, admire our 1000-year-plus history, and do not wish it to be demeaned or trampled on by the indolent stupidity of politicians with the connivance of useful idiots like you.

          • Clive

            If you’d just stayed away from the invective, that might have been a good point – except that I am clearly not your ‘chum’

            I don’t disagree about our history nor its preservation. I just think that demonising a section of the population in an age of mass media is not the way to go about preserving it.

            The reason I think physical evolution has reached its limit is conscious self-awareness. Darwinian evolution requires random mutation to create the fittest who are to be selected.

            Through a number of effects of conscious self-awareness – arranged marriage; contraception; prosthetics; genetic engineering – our mutations are no longer random and natural selection is at least confused.

            Physically, we are creating our own successors.

            Ideas, on the other hand, are pervasive more rapidly than ever before because of the effects of mass communication. They are promoted and lost by a different process of selection.

          • Todd Unctious

            Devonians mainly come from Iberia.

          • post_x_it

            Do they fly non-stop to Exeter now?

          • Todd Unctious

            From Malaga, yes. Around 1,000 BC they came by boat.

          • Todd Unctious

            They are the Pope’s priests. Ours are vicars.

          • post_x_it

            Quite. And as for gaining a dispensation for riding motorcycles helmet-free: that’s a victory for stupidity. Nothing else.

  • Blindsideflanker

    I can’t quite understand Cameron’s recent pronouncement, that ‘Islamophobia’ is now to be made a recordable crime , put on par with anti Semitism. This seems to turn right and wrong on its head, where the victim of violence is criminalised for objecting to the violence perpetrated against them.

    • ViolinSonaten b minor.

      ‘ Islamophobia’ is a nonsense word. A ‘ phobia’ is an irrational fear of something such as spiders .
      But might I add some blog sites are trying to inflame fear and hatred and some speak with as much violence and viciousness as these Islamic terrorists. Humanity and the respect for life
      separates us from the monsters. They may have invaded the West, but we don’t need to become like them.

    • LittleRedRidingHood

      Christopher Hitchens said, ‘Islamophobic is a word created by fascists and used by cowards to manipulate morons.’

    • Leroy_Jenkins_01

      In fairness that’s not what the announcement means. It’s just recording things that already are crimes committed against Muslims seperately. Now this approach has its problems anyway, not least of all the fact that I will put money on the fact that crimes that aren’t “islamophobic” will be recorded as such (I.e. If a Muslim gets robbed in tower hamlets it’s probably not because he’s a muslim but because down there by chance you’re more likely to get a Muslim when picking a random victim).

      But this is different from what Ed Milliband suggested, of making “Islamophobia” illegal, because in that case you could make a true (according to Muslims themselves anyway) statement such as “Mohammaed had sex with a 9 year old” and be charged with a crime.

      This is just an extra box for the police to tick. Like I said, suire it will cause a bunch of problems put it’s not as bad as you imply.

      • LittleRedRidingHood

        In tower hamlets, the perpetrator is also more likely to be foreign, Muslim or not. Will that metric also be recorded.

        • Leroy_Jenkins_01

          Probably not, I mean recording anti-semitic doesn’t differentiate between a neo-nazi and a palistinine “peace activist” does it. Like I said, this isn’t a good idea, it’s just not as bad of an idea as the previous commenter implied.

      • hobspawn

        I would like the police to record black-on-indigenous, moslem-on-indigenous, and immigrant-on-indigenous crimes as a special category of crime. All crime is terrible, but when large numbers from a foreign race are welcomed into a country, any crime their individuals commit is worse, due to the ingratitude, and is grounds for deportation, on the basis that they are unwilling to integrate.

        • Clive

          You would have to define ‘indigenous’ for the law

          • Blindsideflanker

            English for England. Scottish for Scotland. Irish for Ireland , and Welsh for Wales. Now that wasn’t too hard.

          • Clive

            Birth certificate do ?

          • Todd Unctious

            Get the English out of Devon. Devon has been colonised by Surrey toffs and Brummy racists. Our dialect and heritage is under threat.

          • hobspawn

            The law is quite happy with ‘black’ or ‘afro-carribean’. Therefore there is no problem with indigenous. Your Frankfurt school perpetual immigration dogma is a myth.

          • Clive

            These designations of ‘black’ and so forth are self-proclaimed so the immigrant could call themselves anything they liked

            If you wanted some test of heredity, you will run into the problem apartheid South Africa had. The Japanese were white and the Chinese were coloured or something. That was because they wanted to do business with the Japanese but had no use for the Chinese.

            Or do you want to go as far as the SS ? In its early days, candidates were not admitted to the SS if they had fillings. It was said to show racial weakness.

            Of course later they allowed any old rubbish but things had got rough by then.

          • hobspawn

            You are an anti-white racist. If this per capita immigration rate was white people pouring into the country of one of your preferred groups you would be frothing with anti-colonialist spleen. You’re just a racist who has been brain-washed by the left’s control of education and media into valuing his own group below all others.

          • Clive

            Apart from the name-calling, that comment had no content

            For your information I am a member of UKIP who went to a Catholic grammar school

          • Fred Yang

            You’re trotting out every po-mo / Criticial Theory obfuscation tactic in the book today arent you Clive?

            it is becoming increasingly apparent that physical ‘reality'” is fundamentally “a social and linguistic construct”

  • Clive

    I am a watcher of GBBO. I like it. Anyway, I believe Mr Liddle is partly to blame for the phenomenon he describes.

    Most reality television hopes for some conflict between the participants. Some sort of shrieking match. GBBO is itself a competition but the competitors invariably help each other – albeit in limited ways because they all lack time. Any hint of the opposite causes a scandal – like The Custard Error and The Baked Alaska Disaster.

    I have never baked a cake despite my fatbastardness. Nevertheless, it becomes interesting to watch them being built. A combination of art and technology with some comedy thrown in. It would not work without Mel Giedroyc and Sue Perkins.

    The person I would have thought Mr Liddle would take exception to was Ian Cumming. He used his own herbs and his own home produced guinea fowl eggs. He is photographer for the Dalai Lama when he is in Britain. He is the quintessence of Labour middle class. He forgot to put sugar in part of one of his bakes in the final.

    Mr Liddle used to be a news producer. It has long been a favourite of broadcast news to have a vox. pop. deliver the view that the news production has as its opinion. There was a reality program in which high profile people were shown doing their jobs. John Simpson was one. He was in Kabul and had a view of how things were going. He interviewed a couple of Afghan politicians who did not say anything that conformed to his view, indeed, they contradicted it. So he did his own piece to camera expressing that view anyway.

    Thus has the individual come to represent the many – in the viewing mind if not in fact. So Nadiya is held up as a paragon of some kind of integration, or Muslims with head coverings or something. She has made it plain that she never thought of that. She is possibly more representative of women. She said at one point in a difficult exercise ‘I’d rather have another baby, I really would’. She has three children.

    Despite all that, she is in some ways an exemplar of the problems of integration. I wondered through the whole thing whether any male would be allowed to touch her. Whether they should or not, they certainly did. She was comprehensively hugged by two men – one of them a gay indian (he’d better avoid sweaty teenagers in bulky jackets for while) – when she won.

    In the final, they made spectacular cakes. She made the wedding cake she never had. She was married in Bangladesh ‘where they don’t have cakes’ – a fact which she obviously resented.

    She is a woman like many British women with problems peculiar to her background. She has a talent for baking. That’s it.

  • Blazeaway

    It is not only the Great British Bake Off which is purloined by the right on to spread the glories of multiculturalism.

    Last week I switched on to find an angling competition on screen. The competitors (about five or six, I can’t remember) included two women and an Asian men.

    I’ve been an angler for 40-plus years so I know what I’m talking about. There are very few anglers in Britain who are Asian or women. That’s just a fact for good or ill. Even one of the judges was a woman.

    My immediate assumption was that the programme makers had scoured Britain to find contestants who were, in fact, totally unrepresentative. I could only assume ‘affirmative action’ otherwise known as discrimination.

    Me and my wife predicted who would win. Would it be either the Asian or one of the women?

    Of course, it was one of the women.

    • zanzamander

      I think on TV these days preference is given as follows:
      1. A Muslim woman in an Islamic attire
      2. A Man in an Islamic attire and beard
      3. A Muslim woman
      4. A Muslim man
      5. A black/Asian woman
      6. A black/Asian man
      7. A lesbian
      8. A gay man
      9. A foreign looking/sounding woman
      10. A foreign looking/sounding man
      11. A woman with some obvious disability
      12. A man with some obvious disability
      13. A white woman
      124. A white man.

      So if you want to really increase your chances of winning any TV competition (especially on BBC) it will improve your chances immeasurably if you happen to be a black/Asian Muslim lesbian in some Islamic gear in a wheelchair.

      • Todd Unctious

        You forgot the Scottish and teenagers.

        • post_x_it

          What of them?

          • Todd Unctious

            Scots makeup 9% of the population but about 25% of BBC staff and presenters

  • Richard Eldritch

    I wish Odin would get a move on, I can only suspect that Sleipnir has thrown a shoe.

  • The_greyhound

    I do not wish any more foreigners in my country.

    And that includes Odin. Or our pagan deity was Woden. I’m sure he does cleansing and purifying, if asked nicely.

    • Damaris Tighe

      Odin & Woden are the same – different dialect! Maybe Rod has Norse ancestry.

      • The_greyhound

        You are mistaken. The English never addressed him as Odin. It’s a foreign thing.

        • Damaris Tighe

          Yes, to the Norse he was Odin, to the English Woden, & to the Germans Wotan.

          • The_greyhound

            So my point stands. OUR deity was Woden.

            Stop trying to sneak more immigrants in from the continent.

          • Damaris Tighe

            🙂

          • Clive

            Anyway it’s Thorsday

          • red2black

            “Bloody foreigners… bringing Christianity in with them.”

  • Hippograd

    There is massive public opposition to more immigration — and rightly so, in my opinion.

    But a Muslim woman in a headscarf has baked a cake, you racist! Several cakes, you crypto-genocidal xenophobe and antisemite! We don’t want antediluvian scum like you in this country, Liddle. We want Muslim women in headscarves who can bake cakes.

    • The_greyhound

      And Rod once again forgets the immense contribution to our public life made by the little running chappie from Somalia who also invented global warming and cupcakes.

      • Todd Unctious

        The drug cheat called Mo.

      • Hippograd

        And the Large Hadron Collider. Don’t forget that. Of course, Diane Abbott drew up the original design.

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  • Cyril Sneer

    Well she didn’t blow herself up so I guess the beeb sees that as some sort of victory hence the current wankathon of virtue signalling.

    Such is the delusion of the cult of the multi-cult.

  • stephen_geneva

    No matter how good her cakes are I want the uk to stop all immigration from Muslim countries
    I want us to quit this joke of an EU and start allowing high quality skilled immigrants from our friends in the commonwealth especially Australia Canada and New Zealand
    It’s time to rise up and stand up for our Judeo- Christian culture and beliefs

    • Clive

      Suppose the immigrants from Australia, etc. are Muslims ?

      • ViolinSonaten b minor.

        But Clive, don’t Aussies like a lot of pork steaks on the barbecue and beer, clearly
        not Muslims. ( sorry about mentioning animal products, I guess your molars don’t get much use. 😀

        • Clive

          My molars do, it’s the meat tearing canines that don’t

          Others can eat what they like

      • hobspawn

        Then reject their applications. Or are we supposed to see them as refugees too?

        • Clive

          So you actually want to ban Muslims from anywhere and allow everyone else ?

          • hobspawn

             “So you actually want to ban Muslims from anywhere and allow everyone else?”

            Your reading comprehension is poor. Where did I say I wanted to allow everyone else?

            We have reached the point where, in the interest of the immigrants we have, especially the moslems, we need to configure the firewall to reject unknown packets by default. Sadly, our wonderful and cherished British moslems have most to fear from other moslems, not passive indigenous British vestigial Christians. We owe it to British moslems to stop further moslem immigration. British moslems did not come here in search of a predominantly moslem country, even if they are not aware of that. They came here for the things which Christianity brought: peace, prosperity, brotherly love. Hence the exodus from moslem countries. Your faux-compassion is going to sink the life-boat.

          • Clive

            Don’t be unpleasant. Invective is stupid – do you think it persuasive ?

            When I said ‘allow anyone else’ I meant you would not put a blanket ban on them as you would on Muslims. Is that true ?

            What ‘faux-compassion’ ? I feel no need for compassion faux or otherwise. I think Muslims are people like me.

          • hobspawn

             “I think Muslims are people like me.”

            They don’t. So you are wrong.

          • Clive

            Quote them all then. All of them, mind you.

            You will find my friend Mohammad agrees with me.

          • hobspawn

            “Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord… So, when you meet (fight Jihad in Allah’s Cause), those who disbelieve, smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly…”

          • Clive

            How many Muslims do you think even know that Sura – which is about the Battle of Badr, not about any general principle. The unbelievers referred to are those at the battle on the other side.

            It’s like a Muslim saying Christians want to knock the walls of Mecca down because Joshua did Jericho.

            Joshua 6:21
            They devoted the city to the Lord and destroyed with the sword every living thing in it—men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys.

            How many Christians or Jews do you know who know the Bible anyway ?

          • hobspawn

            The clue is in the name ‘Christian’. What did Christ say about violence and vengeance? You see Clive, there is something called the ‘New Testament’.

            Regardless of your efforts to misconstrue scripture, why is the immigrant flood in our direction? There are so many enlightened and welcoming moslem countries to choose from. Why need they come to this Old Testament hell-hole? This is why:

            “See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders?”
            “We shall punish them gradually from directions they perceive not.”

            “And He made you heirs to their land and their dwellings and their property, and (to) a land which you have not yet trodden, and Allah has power over all things.”
            “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”

            Matthew 7:20
            “Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.”

          • Clive

            So you are happy to be a communist who takes everything from your group and murders those who won’t cough up all their wealth ?

            You would terrorise members of the Church into handing over all their wealth.

            Acts of the Apostles Chapters 4/5, 4:34 on
            34 None of their members was ever in want, as all those who owned land or houses would sell them, and bring the money from the sale of them,

            35 to present it to the apostles; it was then distributed to any who might be in need.

            36 There was a Levite of Cypriot origin called Joseph whom the apostles surnamed Barnabas (which means ‘son of encouragement’).

            37 He owned a piece of land and he sold it and brought the money and presented it to the apostles.

            1 There was also a man called Ananias. He and his wife, Sapphira, agreed to sell a property;

            2 but with his wife’s connivance he kept back part of the price and brought the rest and presented it to the apostles.

            3 Peter said, ‘Ananias, how can Satan have so possessed you that you should lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land?

            4 While you still owned the land, wasn’t it yours to keep, and after you had sold it wasn’t the money yours to do with as you liked? What put this scheme into your mind? You have been lying not to men, but to God.’

            5 When he heard this Ananias fell down dead. And a great fear came upon everyone present.

            6 The younger men got up, wrapped up the body, carried it out and buried it.

            7 About three hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had taken place.

            8 Peter challenged her, ‘Tell me, was this the price you sold the land for?’ ‘Yes,’ she said, ‘that was the price.’

            9 Peter then said, ‘Why did you and your husband agree to put the Spirit of the Lord to the test? Listen! At the door are the footsteps of those who have buried your husband; they will carry you out, too.’

            10 Instantly she dropped dead at his feet. When the young men came in they found she was dead, and they carried her out and buried her by the side of her husband.

            11 And a great fear came upon the whole church and on all who heard it.

          • hobspawn

             “So you are happy to be a communist who takes everything from your group and murders those who won’t cough up all their wealth?”

            As I have said to you before, your reading comprehension is very poor. Please point out where anybody murders anyone in the passage you have quoted.

            God shall be my judge, not compassion commandos like you.

            “And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?
            They say unto him, Caesar’s. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.”

          • Clive

            Well, if you don’t think they were bumped off I fear you more than any Muslim

          • hobspawn

             “Well, if you don’t think they were bumped off I fear you more than any Muslim”

            What’s the point of quoting scripture if you think it says something it doesn’t? If you think that passage tells us to murder each other for not being communist enough, you are a stranger to the central tenets of Christianity. Devotion is an act of the will.

          • Clive

            I think the central tenets of Christianity are partly in the New Testament which I just quoted. They are probably also in the Apocryopha whose exclusion is open to question in light of the Nag Hammadi discoveries.

            By the by, show me where in the New Testament Mary Magdalene is characterised as a prostitute ? It’s a common Christian belief.

          • hobspawn

            No, let’s stick to the subject, which is your determination to sink the life-boat.

          • Clive

            No, answer the question about Mary Magdalene

            You started with an idea that the Muslim book is coherent and well understood by most Muslims

            Well, now explain where in the New Testament Mary Magdalene got her reputation.

          • hobspawn

             “You started with an idea that the Muslim book is coherent and well understood by most Muslims”

            I did nothing of the sort. It is neither coherent nor understood. It is, however, heavily sprinkled with exhortations to violence against the infidel, whereas the New Testament is resolutely pacifist.

          • Clive

            Still no reply about Mary Magdalene then

          • hobspawn

            Irrelevant and way off topic. Next you’ll be talking about Churchill or some gibberish. Oh, wait…

          • Clive

            Still no reply about Mary Magdalene then – and what do you have so say about Churchill ?

            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11314580/Sir-Winston-Churchill-s-family-feared-he-might-convert-to-Islam.html
            In the public eye, Sir Winston Churchill’s long political career earned him a place among the greatest of Britons.

            But what may come as a surprise is that he was a strong admirer of Islam and the culture of the Orient — such was his regard for the Muslim faith that relatives feared he might convert.

          • hobspawn

            “Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world…” Winston Churchill

            There, fixed that for you.

          • Clive

            Still no answer about Mary Magdalene.

            Churchill wrote what you quoted in 1899 – whereas 40 years later his view had plainly developed (from the same piece):
            In October 1940, as Britain faced its darkest hour against Nazi Germany, Churchill approved plans to build a mosque in central London and set aside £100,000 for the project. He continued to back the building of what became the London Central Mosque in Regent’s Park – which he hoped would win support for Britain in the Muslim world at a crucial moment – even in the face of public criticism.

            In December 1941, he told the House of Commons: “Many of our friends in Muslim countries all over the East have already expressed great appreciation of this gift.”

          • hobspawn

            Truth is the first casualty of war. He was a statesman in charge of an enormous empire which faced an existential threat. We needed every ally we could find. Winning the war meant saying a lot of things which weren’t true. He helped us to defeat one bunch of Nazis. Now lets concentrate on the Frankfurt school fifth columnists.

          • nicnac

            ” …as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog “. That was WCs opinion of Islam. The rest of the speech of 1899 is in a similar vein.

          • nicnac

            Compare the lives of Jesus and Mohammed; their conduct and example too. Spot the difference.

          • Clive

            We are talking about the effect of the book on Muslims

            How many Muslims do you suppose compare the lives of Jesus and Mohammed or even know much about the life of either ?

          • nicnac

            I’m asking you to compare them in order to educate yourself. You can talk the hind leg off a donkey but you appear to be delusional.

      • stephen_geneva

        If you don’t have enough points you are not welcome

        • Clive

          Does that apply to everyone ? That’s UKIP policy if it does, that’s ok

        • JewishKuffar

          The high levels of illiteracy in Muslim countries would de-select them under a points based system.

      • Zanderz

        Converts (reverts in Islam) are the worst. Far more fundamental than those who have grown up in the ‘culture’. I think Rod was wrong to mention skin colour in his piece, this is about people holding and living out divisive and dangerous ideologies.

    • ViolinSonaten b minor.

      I assume Indian ( Hindu) doctors, Chinese ( Buddhist) takeaway owners Japanese computer
      experts. And the hardworking Polish plumber is fine. As all those are not out to defeat our culture. Multiculturalism is fine when it isn’t the dustbin of immigration and detrimental to
      our public services and to the detriment of a countries values and traditions.

      • Clive

        I don’t care much who the immigrants are – although it’s best if they fill an economic need. What bothers me is our population density. We should stop paying people to have babies which I am glad to say the Chancellor has started on.

      • greggf

        “Multiculturalism is fine when it isn’t the dustbin of immigration and detrimental to our public services and to the detriment of a countries values and traditions.”

        I multiculturalism is NOT fine when it is paid by others who have nothing say in the matter!
        Others, even in our equal neighbour, France got a whole Roma family deported from France whose was needy nefarious petty criminal was behaviour above the law;

        Public performance has to be public

      • Ancient

        Wrong – no it isn’t fine- beyond a certain level of cultural change, not even economic reasonings stand up as the oft vaunted excuse an for mass immigration and multi-culturalism- when you live in a poor area do prefer your doctor to be foreign ? No – is my answer, you would still prefer to have a competent British native doctor if you had a choice – do we have any choice in that ? No our doctoring system is overrun with Asian and foreign doctors earning Salarys consistent to afford “real family homes” there not doing us any favours, they are often here for economic reasons. Do I prefer people whom are offering any commercial service that they’re first language to be English – yes I do, why because they have enough depth of understanding of English to make and comprehend the subtlety of linguistic expression and humour – and when push comes to shove and you convey subtle technical information you don’t have to explain it thrice, yes I prefer that. Do I want to accept the burden of the archaic religions and tradition and culture they bring as baggage with them – no.

    • victor67

      Yeh no more dark people up the BNP

      • Fulgentian

        Wow! Your well-reasoned and compelling argument has cured me of my racism and I’m definitely voting for Labour next election. Thanks!

        • victor67

          Not trying to cure you just pointing out your untreatabillity

      • Cyril Sneer

        The OP wins.

  • Blazeaway

    To hammer the point home, the BBC then featured Mrs Hussain on the main BBC teatime news.

    Whenever else do we get the winner of a talent show featured on the main news? Would there have been such a feature if the winner had been someone else?

    Real agenda-pushing going on here.

    • Clive

      That’s the disturbing trend of the BBC promoting its programs using the news.

      It is not peculiar to this program.

      There’s a link on the BBC News website now to ‘The Last Kingdom’, an upcoming program.

      • robbydot

        Is it us?

        • Clive

          It’s an adaptation from a Bernard Cornwell story so presumably it’s British

    • pnefc2006

      See above, where you’ve made the seemingly identical point.

      • Blazeaway

        Debate, not abuse please

        • pnefc2006

          Where is the “abuse”??

  • Jacobi

    When are we in this country and elsewhere in Europe going to wake up and confront the degree to which Islam is not only flooding in, but is doing so with the willing acceptance and assistance of certain native elements. I will leave you to decide who those elements are and what their motivation is.

    In an area of the UK where say five years ago a Muslim family, or Muslim dress or anyone remotely recognisable as such was to be seen , they are now commonplace.

    In the supermarket recently I counted about 11% of people visible.

    It is rare now on some TV not to see Muslim facial hair fashion, or head dress.

    During a visit to my GP recently I counted ten, yes 10, different posters on various notice boards advising me what to do if I went on Hadj.

    There was no advice for going to the Holy Land or the India for instance on a Hindu
    pilgrimage.

    And all this has its has nothing to do with the EU.

    Most of this recent immigration into UK , 60% of the total has come from outside of the EU and most of that, I guess 80 % ,is Muslim.

    What on earth is going on?

    • Fulgentian

      You must remember that the goal of those “certain native elements” is to destroy the ‘old authorities’ of Western Democracy – the white man, the family, the church etc. They will do this by any means. Having an army of immigrants to do it for them is most pleasing to them. The problem is they’ve opened Pandora’s Box.

    • Bill Fitzgerald

      There has got to be an outside conspiracy that is controlling government and media.

      • Fulgentian

        It’s called ‘The Fabian Society’.

    • red2black

      ‘I will leave you to decide who those elements are and what their motivation is.’
      Employers looking for cheap labour and requiring a sizeable pool of ‘workers’ in order to keep things that way?

  • Leftyliesrefuted

    Excellent piece as ever, Mr. Liddle.

    In answer to your question, “Why would so many people wish to watch other people bake stuff?”, it’s part of the phenomenon that there is an inverse correlation between the number of people watching cookery programmes on TV and the amount of actual cooking that goes on in British households.

    • Clive

      ‘Cookery programs’ ?

      I watch GBBO but no (other) ‘cookery programs’ which I find indescribably boring and anyway I’m vegan.

      • Leftyliesrefuted

        ‘Cookery programs’ ?

        No. Cookery programmes.

        • Clive

          As you wish

        • hobspawn

          I would like to see a ‘cookery pogrom’: the removal of all obsessive foodie snobfests from mainstream media. Do that, and shut down the beeb, and I might be tempted to buy a television.

    • new_number_2

      “Excellent piece as ever, Mr. Liddle.”

      Obviously easily pleased.

      • Leftyliesrefuted

        Ah, forgot that you Lefties hate anyone being pleased in any way.

        Must be most frustrating for you.

        😉

  • Liberanos

    How sad that this woman wears the uniform of subjugation, normalising her chains and doing such harm to sex equality.

  • jmjm208

    The Lord is bringing immigrants into the UK so they can hear the Christian Gospel and get saved.

    • bionde

      I trust you are being ironic.

    • Fulgentian

      If the Gospel was being widely preached in the UK!

    • Todd Unctious

      The Lord died in 1789.

  • robbydot

    Rod, it’s not the colour of her skin it’s that supremacist bag on her head.

    • Todd Unctious

      Yes. Muslims have a very poor attitude to women. It is our job to civilise them.

  • Bill Fitzgerald

    Not all muslims are terrorists but most terrorists are muslim.

    • Clive

      What sort of Muslim ? Shi’a or Sunni ?

      • Malcolm Stevas

        I would wager the great majority of English people couldn’t care less about the different flavours of Islam.

        • Clive

          I was talking to him and he made the point about terrorists above.

          IF you reversed this and made all Christians terrorists, you would care which flavour he was talking about.

          • Fulgentian

            But what ON EARTH evidence is there that most terrorists are Christians?

          • red2black

            Collateral damage here and there?

      • post_x_it

        Spurious distinction. Hezbollah are as capable of it as ISIS.

        • Clive

          Well, if you are going to say ‘…most terrorists are Muslim’, I would hope you would know the difference and the groups they belong to

          Hezbollah are fighting with the Russians in Syria. So Putin obviously thinks Hezbollah are not terrorists

          • Johnnydub

            That’s garbage. Russia is allied with Syria and Iran. Iran uses Hezbollah as a terrorist proxy for influence in Lebanon and against Israel. Saying the Russians don’t think they’re terrorists is a non-sequitur.

          • Clive

            So you think the Russians are fighting with people they think are terrorists ?

          • Johnnydub

            I don’t think they care. They are supporting their ally and more importantly their access to their major Mediterranean port.

            The Russians use of the word Terrorist is politics and PR. They ahve observed how the US has used the Terrorism pretext for all sorts of nonsense.

          • Clive

            So are Hezbollah terrorists or not ?

            You plainly don’t think much of the word. The person to whom I was replying plainly did, so different wavelengths at work.

          • post_x_it

            I can see a colossal non-sequitur in your last line.

      • Landphil

        Plain or self-raising?

  • Classic Liddle!

    • post_x_it

      Especially this: “I have no way of knowing if Nadiya’s cakes were superior to the various infidel cakes on display…”

      • Todd Unctious

        Offensive Pratt.

  • Common Sense ✟ كافر

    Hi Rod,

    I really hope you hit home and get across your common sense views on Question Time tonight. Voices like yours are needed more than ever on mainstream TV.
    Always remember regardless of the makeup of the audience – millions of people completely agree – the all too often silent majority.

    • Todd Unctious

      Immigrants are good for the planet. Within one generation they adopt British birth rates, two or three kids ,instead of five or six.

      • Clive

        …and roughly a third of immigrants return to their countries having learned about the birth rate and other western values which we would want them to have

        • Todd Unctious

          Emigrant immigrants even better for the planet.

    • Mongo

      Rod’s on QT? Great I shall be watching

      Rod, please pull no punches. The bien pensant audience will be heavily biased but stick to your guns – say what needs to be said.

      Good luck

      • ill-liberal

        I might even tune in. I said I wouldn’t again after revisiting last week but I can make an exception for Liddle. Delingpole and Douglas Murray as well if they’re ever allowed to return.

  • Frank

    Rod, you just need to face it, the senior ranks of the BBC are anti Britain, think that they know better than anyone else and appear to be completely corrupted by the power they wield.
    As for the GBBO, given that the BBC spends £5Bn a year, one might hope for better quality television!

    • Clive

      It’s good quality unlike most reality television and it’s cheap

      • post_x_it

        Yeah, not even any prize money or nothing.

    • new_number_2

      “the senior ranks of the BBC are anti Britain”

      In what respect?

      • Frank

        Do you watch BBC television? If so, what I am taking about should be reasonably apparent. If Al Jazeera can produce a news programme that has better world coverage and is less biased than the BBC news, then most would accept that there is a major problem with the BBC and that this persistent bias and selective omission comes from the top ranks.

    • stag

      “Rod, you just need to face it…”

      To be fair, it doesn’t seem like Rod is exactly in denial.

      • Frank

        Not exactly in denial, but perhaps not put it into words?

      • Frank

        OK, maybe not in denial, but he has not actually put it into words!

    • red2black

      Perhaps private companies that relocate their activities abroad are ‘anti Britain’.
      An article on this site described the search for ‘a new Milk Tray man’.
      Cadbury’s Milk Tray is currently manufactured in Poland.

  • Bluesman_1

    But there are times when I think we must be living through Ragnarok.

    • Clive

      I don’t think we are but apparently John Whittingdale wants more of it on the BBC

  • The Dybbuk

    I know it doesn’t fit the narrative here but perhaps she was the winner not because of some great BBC PC conspiracy but because she was the best baker.

    • Blindsideflanker

      Or judged by different standards.

      • The Dybbuk

        Presumably you have the requisite skills to judge that this was the case, because from what I saw the standard was way beyond anything the majority could achieve. Maybe the idea of a very talented member of a minority is just too much for many to swallow, unlike her baking.

        • Blindsideflanker

          Take the final, Nadyia produced a bog standard Lemon drizzle cake. No comment made. Ian produced a bog standard Carrot cake, but he was told that as it was bog standard he had better do something special with it.

          • pnefc2006

            Not that you could taste it, or anything. Didn’t stop you licking the telly screen though, did it?

          • Cyril Sneer

            Wow.

        • Todd Unctious

          It is. Britain is all about lack of social mobility. It offends when a foreigner does well.

    • hobspawn

      The best baker of a group which had already been carefully selected for unrepresentative brain-washing effect.

      • Todd Unctious

        The best Baker as judged by an old posh bird and a scouser.

    • Blazeaway

      I think that’s quite likely.

      The question is: why did the BBC subsequently go berserk? Would they have done so if the winner had been one of the men? I see Mrs Hussain was subsequently featured on the BBC news – unprecedented I would say.

      What political point is the BBC trying to make? Is that the proper role of the BBC?

      • pnefc2006

        Oh toddle off, you tedious berk. They have the winner on BBC Breakfast every year: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-29547985 It’s nothing to do with political points, you headache-inducing conspiracy theorist.

        • Blazeaway

          You’re very good with insults – but not with facts.
          I referred to the BBC teatime News. Are other winners of other programmes featured on that?
          Answers, not insults, please

  • Jim Millar

    “Imagined skulls filled with banana, ready – made cake mix batter”. Rod as gone way beyond his best ever with that line. Superlative stuff.

  • upset

    What it says about this country is that we have 14 million people dumbed down sufficiently to consider this program to be watchable.

    • The Dybbuk

      Little else to do on a Wednesday night after the soaps. But fear not now we have The Apprentice, which, without exception, contains the most odious caricatures of Britain today.

      • Todd Unctious

        Sugar and Brady are indeed odious.

  • Fred Yang

    I have just received my TV Licence payment reminder;
    It was transferred directly to the waste paper bin.

    • hobspawn

      I received a threat that they would visit me on the 12th to ring my bell and wave a fake warrant. Nobody came. Perhaps they were unfit for work that day. Perhaps we need more immigrants to do these vital jobs.

      • Cyril Sneer

        I think the company that comes round is a private company so in effect you can turn them away at the doorstep and refuse to give them your name. They have as much right to enter your home as a double glazing salesman would have. It’s all a big scam.

        • hobspawn

          Yes, as I understand it, the men from Crapita wave a piece of paper which they call a ‘warrant’ but it usually isn’t one. It’s important to make clear that if they try to enter your property they will be trespassing and you will call the police. I don’t have a television any more, but they will need a proper warrant if they want to establish that. I regard it as none of their business.

    • Cyril Sneer

      I still get threatening letters – they can’t seem to get their heads round the fact that I don’t watch TV. I have to declare online every 2 years and I have to click through a load of things just to do that. It’s all very threatening.

  • new_number_2

    “and as a riposte to those antediluvians who believe Muslims only ever blow people up.”

    Such people appear to form the majority of posters on sites like the Spectator, the Telegraph and Breitbart.

    • Fulgentian

      Why do you come on here then?

      • new_number_2

        It is one of the major British political websites that uses Disqus.

    • Ivan Ewan

      On the contrary. If Muslims only ever blew people up, there would now be no issue with them.

  • artemis in france

    I found the odd sighting of this woman during ads for the programme disconcerting. Knowing how hot baking can make the baker I wondered just how Nadiya could cope with all that head covering. I’m afraid I shall never be able to accept this overtly Muslim form of dress. Does this seemingly civilized woman really believe that she needs to cover up in order to live safely in a highly developed western nation or is she coerced into doing so by her husband and family? She is plainly not the flighty type so why the need to control her environment? It’s worrying and insulting to her adopted land.

    • pnefc2006

      Did you wonder because you were curious, or because you suspect in confirms your own skewed world view?

      Ask a Muslim how it feels to bake and wear a headscarf, if you can summon up the courage. There are plenty in France, if that is where you now base yourself.

      The only person who suffers because a Muslim woman chooses to wear a headscarf is you, who’s baffling insulted and worried by it.

      • Todd Unctious

        What about in Doha, where it hits 50 degrees C?

      • Cyril Sneer

        Yes I’m sure she wants to wear the headscarf and I’m sure her husband and local Muslim community are very sure she should wear the headscarf.

    • E.I.Cronin

      I really admire France for banning the hijab in schools etc. I loved how one Minister articulated the reasons and said very simply these are French values – we all participate, openly & freely in the Republic and this costume is a rejection of those values. We don’t want it. France still has confidence and an affection for it’s own culture which has slowly been leached out of our nations by progressive extremism. I hope we can eventually rediscover that confidence.

  • Maureen Fisher

    I have no idea who any of these people are.

    • new_number_2

      Amnesia?

      • Maureen Fisher

        Not into reality TV, more like.

  • iucounu

    Oh do bore off, Liddle, you tedious prick.

    • amicus

      I think he’s the Spectator’s best writer by far.

      • Todd Unctious

        Like being the best runner in an F1 grand prix.

        • Ivan Ewan

          Shows what you know about F1. Virtually nothing.

          • Todd Unctious

            Well I have only been to 23 Grands Prix.

          • Ivan Ewan

            So I don’t suppose you caught the one where Nigel Mansell had to get out and push his car over the finishing line, or the one where a driver had to run halfway around the circuit to get in a spare car in time for a race restart?

            It turns out that strong leg muscles and a good set of lungs is actually a big deal. Even in F1.

          • Todd Unctious

            No. That has been illegal since 2003. I saw the one where Damon and Schuey collided. Johnny Herbert won that. Also the one where Schumacher broke his leg. I find Le Mans more exciting these days.

          • Ivan Ewan

            “I saw the one where Damon and Schuey collided.”

            I presume you mean Adelaide, but it could have been one of about ten races.

          • Todd Unctious

            July 16th 1995. Silverstone right under the BRDC balcony.

          • Ivan Ewan

            Wasn’t that the one where Schuey overtook Hill on the parade lap and refused to budge? The one which earned him disqualification for, what was it, seven entire races?

          • Todd Unctious

            No. It was the one where Frank Williams apologised in the Benetton garage afterwards for Hill being a prat.

          • Ivan Ewan

            Because Schumacher is happy to outright ram people off the road, but if someone brakes a bit early on him it’s a big no-no.

          • Todd Unctious

            No.

          • Ivan Ewan

            Oh. That must have been 1994.

    • William_Brown

      …said the invisible man.

    • Todd Unctious

      That is not fair, he is not tedious.

  • Jim91

    Rod’s article is spot on. Critics of mass immigration and multi-culturalism should not play the lefty PC game of shallow attachment of great significance to a T.V. bakeoff show. Complaining about Nadiya’s win as evidence of a BBC PC conspiracy is playing the identity politics game just as much as the PC pious bleating hyperbole about it being a triumph for “modern diverse Britain”. Having watched the show it was clear that she should be the winner for the simple reason she was an excellent baker. It tells us nothing of any importance about immigration and integration.

    • Paul Montgomery

      As opposed to the pro-immigration lobby who are all master bakers.

      • Todd Unctious

        They are better at angling. They are master baiters.

        • Paul Montgomery

          Any more comments like this will have to be considered as some kind of self abuse (I’m off to the optician tomorrow).

  • amicus

    “Why would so many people wish to watch other people bake stuff? By what stretch of the imagination is that even remotely interesting? ”

    It beats me, too but then I also never watch Big Brother, X factor or Downton Abbey.

    • Todd Unctious

      Well after watching people sew, bake and dance we are now in for pottery and knitting. I assume pro-celebrity origami is next year and “Washing up, the Professionals” is in 2017.

  • John Andrews

    Only the BBC’s fabulous revenues from its TV Tax let it take the heroic cultural risks, and make the enormous investments in kitchen equipment, required for such brilliant programming. Why don’t all BBC bosses get peerages when they retire? Lord Reith must be turning in his grave.

    • Todd Unctious

      So how come ITV seek to buy the rights to Cake Off?

  • Nick

    Okay,I’m a right winger and I liked the multicultural society that Britain has been for centuries.But I don’t like forced mass immigration.And I did watch the Bake Off.But that is because I like cooking and baking.

    I reckon Nadiya deserved to win because her baking was better than the other contestants overall.But we all know what the program was about.Twisted left wing ideology.

    And now a confession but please don’t tell anyone what I’m about to reveal.PLEASE.
    I—–like—–watching——-BIG BROTHER.

    There,I’ve said it.My secret is out.

    • Todd Unctious

      Therefore you are a certifiable idiot.

      • Nick

        Ohhh Todd! Such harshness.That’s not like you.

  • MikeF

    “People may dislike our present levels of immigration…. but they do not take it out either on British Muslims or immigrants.”
    Exactly – because the great mass of British people are and always have been fair-minded and tolerant and not given to violence against others because of the colour of their skin or another other aspect of their ‘identity’. Yet the whole thrust of the ‘multiculturalist’, ‘anti-racist’ agenda is to portray them that way. It is a deliberate campaign of lying and given that its supposed justification is manifestly false then there must be another reason for it.
    The reason, of course, is to undermine the democratic process by damning the society – effectively the UK that had come to exist round about the early to mid 1960s – that created it by labelling that society as ‘racist’. That provides the justification for creating a balkanised society made up of ‘communities’ that are subjected a systematic campaign of propaganda intended to make them dislike and distrust the wider society around them and in turn to perceive as their protectors people who in reality wish to use them as a mix of human shield and catspaws in pursuit of a quite different agenda.
    As for Nadiya and her cakes I have no idea if they are any good or not but the hoohah around her win is not entirely about them alone – just a bit of it is about something quite different.

  • Shorne

    “People may dislike our present levels of immigration, whether because of the depreciating effect upon their wages or the obliteration of their local culture, and they may have one or two doubts about the ideology of Islam — but they do not take it out either on British Muslims or immigrants.”
    Oh yes they do.
    “Muslims in Britain are becoming the target of hate crimes in retribution for terrorist attacks around the world, according to a new report based on the latest figures for anti-Muslim attacks.The study by Teesside University found that children as young as 10 have been involved in hate-crime attacks and incidents, although most perpetrators were identified as being over 40.”
    “A Muslim woman was showered in alcohol in a violent Islamophobic attack on a train as other passengers silently watched on, researchers have revealed.”
    “Islamophobic attacks recorded by the Metropolitan police show a 47% increase over the past year ending May 2015”

    Add to that the comments that appear in this and other comment columns, including the ones this comment will give rise to.

    • William_Brown

      OK, I’ll bite.

      Victim Status Claimed.

      • Todd Unctious

        Ro Lidl is a dribbling ,floundering oaf who is a messy eater and an even messier sounding board for racists.

        • ViolinSonaten b minor.

          Rod Liddle is no such thing. But you are a insulting and ungracious oaf.
          And you may find unlike other places BNP and similar groups are not allowed
          to post here.

          • Todd Unctious

            Priceless. So pointing out that Rod is a messy eater makes me a BNP activist now. Liddell is a bighead with a nasty streak , that is why the Barclay Brothers employ him.

          • ViolinSonaten b minor.

            I never said you were BNP, I said they post elsewhere as not allowed
            here ( I assume). How do you know if he’s a messy eater, have you had
            dinner with him ?

          • Todd Unctious

            Stewart Lee told me.

          • E.I.Cronin

            Snort. You don’t even know what racism means – which makes you ignorant. Or if you’re deliberately substituting it for ‘Xenophobia’ for smear value then you’re malicious. Rod may have a brilliant, acid tongue but he has a heart of gold.
            Stewart Lee told me. 🙂

          • Cyril Sneer

            Do you spit on Tories by any chance?

        • William_Brown

          Very tolerant of you Todd. Great, well founded argument and excellent contribution to the thread – thank you, you’ve given us all a lot to think about.

        • Cyril Sneer

          Ooh evel waycist…. Rod voted Labour in the last election IIRC.

          😉

    • MikeF

      Your last sentence illustrates perfectly your closed state of mind – you are effectively saying that dissent from or disagreement with what you say only vindicates your words. There is no ‘Islamophobia’ and the term ‘hate crime’ is a deliberately emotive and inflammatory formulation intended to sensationalise for sectarian purposes particular incidents that may or may not have occurred – remember post-Macpherson a ‘racist’ incident is anything that anybody decides to describe in that way. The Met’s ‘figures’ are meaningless.

      • Shorne

        That’s it don’t like the facts so deny them.

        • hobspawn

          1400 victims of child rape in one town. Facts. Who are the deniers?

          • Shorne

            One of the victims of the awful events in Rotherham has asked that people don’t keep mentioning them, but that doesn’t bother your kind. The perpetrators of those offences are now in prison thanks to a prosecution led by a Muslim Treasury counsel. The vast majority of child sex offenders in this country are white males, as demonstrated by the recently convicted Norwich and Bristol gangs . Not that you will ever mention them.

          • hobspawn

            The hypocrisy of your response is revolting. Keeping quiet about it is what allowed it to go on for so long. Why did people, whose job was to protect, silently acquiesce to racist gang rape of children in care? Because of attitudes like yours. Just eff off you treacherous racist accessory to child rape.

          • Shorne

            You’re attitude is appalling, it is out in the open now there is no need to keep dragging it in. Apart from the obvious It happened because children in Care, as most of the victims were, always get a bad deal which was made worse by, to put it mildly, stupid Social Workers and misguided Police Officers.
            Now let me tell you something I know a damn sight more about sex offenders than you as I was a Probation Officer for 30 years, the last 13 of which I spent working in a Prison with an office on the Wing where such prisoners were held. Part of my job was to risk assess them, that’s why I know that the vast majority of such offenders are White males. Of all the ones I interviewed only one conceded that he was still a risk to children.
            You ignore the request of the victim because it interferes with your, ‘The Rotherham rapists were Muslims so all Muslims are rapists’ stance. As I predicted you make no mention of the recent cases in Bristol and Norwich because they don’t suit your twisted agenda. Nazir Afzal who led the prosecution is now the the CPS lead on all such cases. The rapists are all in prison because he reopened the cases against them.

          • hobspawn

            It is also racist to hold any two races equivalent when they aren’t, in the name of your Marxian god, Equality. Your blithe talk of the ‘majority’ white male offenders isn’t the real story, as you well know. For example:
            “Looking at grooming offences collected by the CEOP, while the white ethnic group makes up the largest proprotion of all offenders, it is far below the proportion of white people in the general population. Meanwhile, those of Asian origin are indeed disproportionately represented here.”

            Source:
            https://fullfact.org/factchecks/race_and_sex_offences-27153

            You claim that I have an “all Muslims are rapists” stance. Please show me where I have said that. That’s right, you can’t.

            Public servants like you are anti-white racists because you are scared to act properly against members of ethnic minorities, a fact which immigrant criminals have learned to exploit. “Is it ‘cos I is black?” You are the problem.

          • Cyril Sneer

            Very well said sir.

          • Shorne

            I am no longer a ‘public servant’ as I’m retired. Your stance is blatantly obvious, I have heard it many times from men convicted of racist violence.
            Full fact goes on to say
            “When contacted, the CEOP stated that the figures cannot be considered as absolute fact: CEOP did not receive responses from all police forces and NGOs.”

            Ethnic minorities are more likely to be targeted by the Police etc. and if you have ever been in a prison you would see ample evidence of immigrant criminals.
            Marxist god?
            Sadly we are likely to see many more cases like Norwich and Bristol.

          • hobspawn

             “…it is out in the open now there is no need to keep dragging it in it will never be forgotten.”

            No, there has been a deliberate attempt by elements in the Labour party to distract from it, and almost no responsibility has been taken by the public servants who allowed it to happen. Meanwhile the attitudes which caused the Rotherham dereliction remain rife in police stations, hospitals, schools, universities and care establishments throughout this country, and you are defending them.

          • Shorne

            Evidence

          • Cyril Sneer

            “The vast majority of child sex offenders in this country are white males”

            I don’t suppose you’ve taken into account the population ratios?

        • MikeF

          Ah ‘deny’, ‘deny’ – a word you really do love don’t you. In fact, of course, I don’t ‘deny’ anything you say because I don’t regard what you say as the impeccable embodiment of self-evident truth that can only either be accepted in its entirety or ‘denied’ for some reason of fear or self-interest. It is just what you happen to think – there is nothing special about it – and I happen to disagree with it, a concept you probably struggle to understand.

    • hobspawn

       “Add to that the comments that appear in this and other comment columns, including the ones this comment will give rise to.”

      Self-identifying anti-white racist troll. Is that the sort of thing you’re hoping for?

      • Shorne

        Thanks for proving my point, oh and producing evidence that contradicts the content of an article isn’t trolling.

        • nicnac

          Pretty thin evidence.

          • Shorne

            A detailed academic study and information from the please = thin evidence.
            I could have cited many other incidents.

        • ViolinSonaten b minor.

          Indeed that has proved your point. Just make a fleeting visit to a well known
          magazine based over the ocean and read all the articles ( on a daily basis) meant to inflame and encourages the same hate filled bile that we hear from Islamic terrorists, some of the things people write are atrocious.
          I am no defender of the destruction that is Islam, but encouraging violence
          on our streets isn’t going to help the situation

    • hobspawn

       “Muslims in Britain are becoming the target of hate crimes in retribution for terrorist attacks around the world, according to a new report based on the latest figures for anti-Muslim attacks.The study by Teesside University…”

      Lucky these despicable white racists haven’t heard about Rotherham, 7/7, or Lee Rigby, or they may go as far as being surly towards moslems, or worse, trespass into a moslem area, or worst of all, vote for a fascist anti-enrichment party like UKIP!

      • Shorne

        Well those who voted for a UKIP Council in Thanet must be a bit cross.

        • hobspawn

          You’re desperate.

          • Shorne

            So are UKIP.

    • MikeH

      That’s horrid.

      Let’s hope it doesn’t drive them to up sticks and move to more suitable, welcoming, spiritually aligned Muslim countries.

      Especially now there’s one that can produce baked-goods!

    • Tommy Lawrence

      People may dislike our present levels of immigration, whether because of the depreciating effect upon their wages………….

      ah yes, but it’s good for house prices!

    • Sarony

      I think you’ll find that attacks on Jews have also risen. Now, I wonder . . . . . .

      • Todd Unctious

        Germans are one of the largest ethnic minorities in thexUK after Irish, Pakistani and Americans.

        • Ivan Ewan

          So you reckon it’s the Irish, or the Pakistanis?

      • Shorne

        Yes I know my wife, and of course my children, are Jewish and consequently I take an interest in this issue. There’s an organisation called the Community Security Trust which, amongst other things, monitors anti-Semitic incidents in the UK. Their figures for last year showed 44% of the perpetrators were described as ‘White’ and 37% as ‘South Asian’. A great many of the perpetrators were drunk which suggests they weren’t Muslims.
        There is another side. When MPs Galloway and Ward were making anti-Semitic statements barely concealed as anti-Zionism in Bradford earlier this year the last synagogue in the town was threatened with closure as the dwindling Jewish community couldn’t afford to maintain it. It survives because the Muslim community raised the necessary funds and a Muslim sits on the synagogue council. By and large people just want to get along, it is only Muslim extremists and many of the people who comment here who don’t.

    • Paul Montgomery

      “A Muslim woman was showered in alcohol ,,”.

      So was Putin, but he never claimed it was russophobia.

      • Shorne

        The perpetrators also chanted “we are racist, we are racist and we love it” and asked her if she ate bacon and had a bomb under her scarf.

        • Paul Montgomery

          Somebody somewhere is confused.

          Islam is a religion (ie an ideology with an invisible other being thrown in). It is definitely not a race. Hence it is illogical for anyone to cite racism.
          Since any religion is only an ideology, criticising it or even taking the p*** out of it should be acceptable.

          (PS Communism was an ideology without an invisible other being thrown in. Critics were not labelled as russophobes or racists. )

          • Shorne

            A reasoned discussion about religion is fine, taking the p*** isn’t necessary unless you enjoy going out of your way to offend people(?). I don’t have to say physical violence is wrong do I (?)
            I don’t believe in a Supreme Being but I cannot prove there isn’t one, neither can you.

          • Paul Montgomery

            Religious violence is not part of the make up of the atheist or agnostic.
            Why should we bother even thinking about it?

            But criticising and laughing at religious practices (absurd or otherwise) is fair game.
            Obviously people have the absolute right to hold up absurdities as sacred. But they should not have the right to expect others to respect never mind revere their chosen absurdities.

            As to not being able to prove that a supreme being exists, it is not reasonable to expect anybody to prove a negative.

          • Shorne

            “Religious violence is not part of the make up of the atheist or agnostic…err Christians under Mao, Jews under Stalin?

    • E.I.Cronin

      Of course everyone here would condemn the abuse and attacks. But what else do you expect but social conflict and tension when you inflict an explicitly hostile religious minority on the people of Britain and the West? The reprisals are simply the inevitable result of the extraordinary stupidity of imposing mass immigration and multicultural policy on a nation which never wanted it.

    • Donafugata

      Better to be showered with alcohol than acid, the muslim fluid of choice.

    • Don Mac Calman

      O, thou infidel son of a camel ! May all your wives be fruitless ; may the goolies of your camels fester and drop off ; may the winds of the desert sand-blast your arse ; may the best -looking goats spurn your embraces…..
      And may you and the traitorous Cultural Marxists of Teesside University live for evermore in the far -off lands of the camel-turd . As – Salaam Aleikum .

      • Shorne

        Ah another British Jihadist.

  • Sean L

    Bullseye mate.

  • justejudexultionis

    ‘All that was missing was a blind amputee, beating up his batter with a specially adapted hand whisk, transgendered guide dog wagging its tail close by.’ —

    Extremely funny.

  • Dr Bock

    I see they’ve adapted the bake off approach to pottery now, let me know when they get people to compete against each other to make up corpses for funerals or cook meth. “Jane has to complete the cook with aplomb or Miguel will murder her family.”

  • meqmac

    Nadiya may have been charming and a terrific baker, and I cpongratu;ate her for that. But her chpice to wear a black hijab did not please me. The hijab, along with other forms of Muslim veiling is a symbol of women’s oppression. I countriues like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan and increasingly elsewhere, a woman who does not wear hijab or wears it too loosely (as in the Iranian concept of ‘bad-hejab’, ‘bad’ being original Persian for, guess what) can be arrested, fined and even imprisoned or subjected to a flogging. In Iran, numbers haver had acid thrown in their faces by the Ansar-e Hezbollah group. And many young Musim girls, even in the West, have been murdered by their own families in acts of ‘honour killing’. Wearing the hijab is a serious business, and its presence on our streets and TV shows is a symbol of something utterly alien to Western norms, which give the same freedoms to women as to men. Every British Muslim woman who goes out in a hijab, niqab or burqa (in the Saudi sense) lowers the sense of women’s status in our society. They are walking symbols of cultural domination and flagrant denials of what if criminal behaviour, saying that, even though women are harmed elsewhere for not wearing hjijab, we won’t back down, we will endorse the criminalizing of something perfectly normal throughout the rest of the world, and we will show Westerners that Muslims have a right to parade symbols of misogyny in their streets, shops, and television shows. So, good for Nadiya in being charming and successful and partly integrated, but shame on her for bringing an anti-women symbol to show that she is not as integrated as some may think.

    • Tommy Lawrence

      Dear Me,
      if a woman says she wears a hijab because she wants to wear it, you, as a liberal, can hardly oppose it. Even if you think that it is a patriarchal device.
      I might believe that eye-shadow, lipstick, mascara, etc., are all patriarchal devices. However I liberate no one by trying to dictate to women that they should not wear makeup, if they want to wear it. I would just be adding to the total sum of oppression.

      • Paul Montgomery

        No, just leave it to their husbands, fathers,imams etc to dictate their dress sense.

        • Bingo, Paul.

          • Paul Montgomery

            Bingo is so unislamic.

          • Indeed.

          • Paul Montgomery

            As is permitting women to comment here without the written permission of their their husbands, fathers,imams etc..

          • Todd Unctious

            Not Mecca Bingo.

          • Paul Montgomery

            Somebody stop me mentioning Mecca Ballrooms.

      • Ivan Ewan

        It is of course not only a device of Islamic patriarchal domination, but also a device of Islamic virtue signalling.

        As in, I’m wearing a black tent, and you’re not, you filthy kafir, and when the head-choppers come I’ll still be standing.

        You’ll probably still be too busy sneering to notice when your time is up.

      • Sean L

        Yes but such items of adornment have no comparable cultural or political significance. In any case, the point at issue is not personal choice: whether or not she wants to wear it of her own volition or somehow feels compelled to wear the thing against her will is beside the point. What’s in question is the garment’s symbolic value, that’s all.

      • Cyril Sneer

        I’m sure she does want to wear it and I’m sure her husband and her community are even more sure she should wear it.

        • Todd Unctious

          Her community was Luton.

      • meqmac

        It is precisely because I am a liberal that I consider the hijab an anti-women garment. Or should I as a liberal applaud flogging women, executing (or honour killing) women, imprisoning women or throwing acid in women’s faces when they don’t wear it or don’t wear it properly? If that’s your idea of a liberal position, I suggest you get out more into the real world. It is a very illiberal symbol and exists alongside other Muslim contributions to women’s rights, such as female genital mutilation (illegal for 30 years in the UK, hundreds of cases, not a single person prosecuted), honour killings, and condemning a weoman to hell if she does not drop everything and let her husband have sex with her every time he demands it. (I’m not making that up. I used to lecture in Arabic and Islamic Studies and can quote you chapter and verse.) If you are a liberal, you have to fight against all this. Go tell the Suffragettes, who gave so much to win rights for women, that we have just allowed the treatment of women as men’s inferiors back into the UK through a back door.

    • E.I.Cronin

      Well said meqmac! The hijab does strike a wrong note. A friend and I were people-watching at a café and I was admiring some women who were all dolled up and looked fantastic – free, careless and confident. Then several hijab’s came along. It feels so ominous (did you see Douglas’s post on the removed artwork for the Passion for Freedom exhibition? It struck a chord). We know too much about Islam now. It’s a gesture of mistrust and concealment – the very opposite of how we try to live. Yes congratulations to Nadiya for winning as an individual but it does smack of progressive tokenism.

  • ViolinSonaten b minor.

    Why on earth do we need so many cookery programmes, I am surprised there isn’t one that shows
    you the correct way to eat food and what cutlery to use.
    As far as this Nadiya, I am sure she is charming but she doesn’t prove that multiculturalism works,
    The left seems to think that this proves that Muslims have become like English people baking cakes
    with Mary Berry and having afternoon tea whilst watching croquet on the lawn.
    In reality how many Muslims watched this? They live in their own little communities, probably
    speak little English ( well the older ones) and I cant imagine them watching television anyway.
    Nadiya clearly has a tolerant husband but I cannot imagine many Islamic men allowing their wives
    to appear on such a programme. This is a fallacy in the same league as the Arab Spring.

    • Dr Bock

      I think we’re looking at this wrong, I’m rather fatigued by the dull conventionality of television, at least a one armed transsexual attempting ironing would be cruelly different.

      • ViolinSonaten b minor.

        Especially with more steam coming out of the ears of disgruntled lefties with
        their faux outrage, then coming out of the iron, due to the difficulties 😀

        • Dr Bock

          Well, yes, that would add a certain piquancy. 😉

  • John Steadman

    We all know what’s going on here: Muslim lady is a star in the kitchen, so immigration is really great, and Islam is nothing to worry about. That’s the theme, and how can we object? Does anybody believe that a migration sceptic could have ever won this litmus test?

    • Donafugata

      You’re right, we are at that stage of our collective conditioning when we are dared to react to a behijabed winner, we are expected to accept it as part of our new Britishness.

      Wonder what the next level is.

      • Genie Balham

        converting – to do otherwise is insulting to that religion….

  • Cobbett

    The fact that a baking competition is a national event says all you need to know about modern Britain…Muslim winner or not(I’d give her ne though)

    • Zhang Wei

      You think she takes it up the back door?

      • Cobbett

        I hope so.

  • Dr Bock

    I’d like to have seen her make a bombe.

    • Todd Unctious

      Makes a change from sponging off the state.

      • Dr Bock

        I see what you did there, very good.

        • Todd Unctious

          Thanks ,just not appreciated by the regular Speccy throwbacks.

          • You got 4 upvotes; what else do you want?

          • Todd Unctious

            Less abuse.

    • ViolinSonaten b minor.

      Excuse me, I’ve already done the Alaska Bombe, find a new pudding, you ;-D

    • Sarony

      One of the best lines in a Bond film, can’t remember which, was when Bond asked the contract killer masquerading as a waiter what was in the Bombe Surprise and the French-accented reply was “That’s the surprise”.
      Boom.

      • Shapster

        Mr Wint and Mr Kidd, Diamonds Are Forever ….the creepiest pair ever to appear on any Bond.. Not as creepy as Gerald Kaufmann admittedly – he was a politician (of sorts) but really ShOULD have been a Bond villain lol

    • That is VERY naughty!

    • Donafugata

      Or how to fillet an infidel.

  • Dr Bock

    Idea for a TV show: Stars in Their Eyes, a change of format sees celebrities train to undertake eye surgery on fame-crazed untermensch who have both ocular problems and a desire to meet celebs.

    • Todd Unctious

      “Millionaires want to be the Who”. Stelios Haji Ionnau and John Caldwell play My Generation.

      • Dr Bock

        Deal or No Deal, Noel Edmonds is tasked with conducting hostage negotiations. Not for the first time he is responsible for someone’s death.

  • Sam

    The show was about baking.. nothing more. If something as banal as a cooking show challenged your views of the world and you thought that was a deliberate attempt to “open the flood gates” then your paranoid.

    • Shapster

      But no, the show wasn’t about baking was it? Would that it were… In his usual sarcy style surely he is saying this: Muslims have blown up a double decker bus full of nice folk going blamelessly about their lives, Muslims have hacked to death a nice young kid who happened to be wearing a military uniform proudly in his own country, Muslims fook up lives In Rotherham, Hull (yup it’s happening there too but they just daren’t say it) New York (Twin Towers – remember?) and generally sh1t on the carpet wherever they go. And what does the Right On BBC do? Make sure there’s a Muslim on Bake Off!! They didn’t HAVE to have a Muzzy on! Why wasn’t she a Seikh or a Jew? Do the Beeb do it to wind people up? Or to prove to us undereducated prols that no, not all Muslims are bad and that we should continue to forgive them as they continue to behead our oil / charity workers? Well thanks vee much BBC we know that already but a little bit of decorum wouldn’t go amiss, by which I mean stop ramming the architects of England’s demise down nice English folks throats. Are they trying to provoke riots in the streets? Because that hibabed girl on bake off – lovely though I’m sure she was – achieved nothing like what the namby pamby, PC, middle class, never-seen -the-real-world Mummy’s boys and girls running the Beeb wanted to think it did. Don’t argue with me, son. I’m only saying it how it is.

      • porcelaincheekbones

        cultural marxism is the term you’re looking for

    • Donafugata

      Wrong, baking is the pretext, brainwashing is its purpose.

      • Sue Smith

        “Let’s have more cakes and ale” (Falstaff).

      • Sam

        Time to put on your tin foil hat… you’ll find it in the kitchen next to the mind control teapot and the Orwellian spy toaster,..

  • Peter Gilkes

    Isn’t Ron Liddle the bloke who left his honeymoon early to get back to his mistress? How is that sh*t allowed a personal opinion in print?

    • Todd Unctious

      The Barclay’s like his offensive nature.

      • apostrophe S? I don’t think so. And do you think that every mogul hand-picks every journalist? Talk about naive.

    • Ivan Ewan

      Says Stalin McRedstar.

    • Shapster

      Pitifully weak argument, sunshine. Very weak. Zero argument in fact.

    • Who is this RON LIDDLE of whom you speak?

      • Peter Gilkes

        I do apologise, I meant Roderick himself, but the deeds mentioned were his.

  • MikeF

    I suppose the ultimate end-point of all this would be a Muslim woman who refused to wear anything but a burka throughout winning Strictly Come Dancing.

  • DazEng

    It was a FULL gone conclusion she would win the very moment she was allowed to compete. Didn’t you knuckle dragging racists know that?

    • Todd Unctious

      Foregone?

    • Rabbi E Burns

      She was also the best candidate from a baking point of view.

  • Teacher

    I was far too busy making cakes (full of butter and sugar) to watch some media construct pretending to set one baker against another.

  • Lady Magdalene

    I’m glad I’m not the only person in the country who refuses to watch this kind of mind-numblingly boring rubbish. Do people REALLY not have better things to do with their time?

    • Apparently not. My m-in-law is a New Yorker now living in the Sunshine State, and she says she’s addicted to it.

    • Feminister

      Like commenting on blogs?

  • Suleiman

    Why is the BBC allowed to conduct competitions without first being investigated properly by a Royal Commission as to its honesty ?

    • porcelaincheekbones

      they should judge the taste blind but no that would be unbiased

  • lindzen4pm

    When she does a Victoria sponge with Mohamed picked out in vanilla icing and chocolate swirls I’ll say that’s integration.

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  • Ivan Ewan

    What the bake-off says about Britain is that far too many of us have the most thoroughly defective patterns of thought you can have without forgetting to breathe and keeling over.

    If that were not so, we would not be collectively declaring Islam to be the winner of the cake-baking competition.

  • Suzy61

    Just one thing Rod….mixture please, not batter.

    • Sue Smith

      Can’t you just see all of this as a bizarre, extended metaphor for ‘multiculturalism’? Let’s extend that a bit further, than hold that thought; some dishes are unpalatable – too hot, cold, spicy or just appallingly badly made. While others just make people violently ill, break out in hives or are the cause of major allergy or ‘intolerance’.

      Instead of ‘bake-off’ there’s another ‘- off’ I’d like to suggest, but the interests of decency prevent me from so doing!!

    • Sue Smith

      Can’t you just see all of this as a bizarre, extended metaphor for ‘multiculturalism’? Let’s extend that a bit further, than hold that thought; some dishes are unpalatable – too hot, cold, spicy or just appallingly badly made. While others just make people violently ill, break out in hives or are the cause of major allergy or ‘intolerance’.

      Instead of ‘bake-off’ there’s another ‘- off’ I’d like to suggest, but the interests of decency prevent me from so doing!!

    • Sue Smith

      Can’t you just see all of this as a bizarre, extended metaphor for ‘multiculturalism’? Let’s extend that a bit further, than hold that thought; some dishes are unpalatable – too hot, cold, spicy or just appallingly badly made. While others just make people violently ill, break out in hives or are the cause of major allergy or ‘intolerance’.

      Instead of ‘bake-off’ there’s another ‘- off’ I’d like to suggest, but the interests of decency prevent me from so doing!!

      • Suzy61

        For me, multi-culturism is the metaphor of a sweet and delicious Victoria Sandwich to which a couple of tablespoons of turmeric have been added.

        • Sue Smith

          I’m glad you feel this way about it; you’re going to need to keep that faith when things start unravelling seriously.

  • Dougie

    If Nadiya wears a veil, Rod, how come I can see her face in the photo?

    • She has veiled her hair.

      • Paul Williams

        Perhaps Rod Liddle should remove his own veil before (erroneously) commenting on others’ veils. Then perhaps he would not be responsible for comedy gold like this:

        “It was won by the charming Nadiya Hussain. But does that mean that unlimited immigration is perfectly OK?”

        WTF? You mean to say that winning a competition doesn’t speak to the nation’s immigration policies? Oh right, it doesn’t. Yes. I mean no. Wait. Was that supposed to be irony, Rod?

        “Wayne Rooney scores a brilliant goal for Man Utd. But does that mean that soliciting sex from a grandmother in PVC is perfectly OK?”

        Ah, I see what you are doing there. It’s a non sequitur.

      • Dougie

        That’s a headscarf called a hijab.

        http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/24118241

        • I’d rather not know what they call their instruments of oppression. I’m learning too many Arab words as it is…. The only one I have any time for is ‘habibi’, and I only learned that one through fusion dance music.

  • Mongo

    just for the record, this isn’t the first reality TV contest Nadiya has participated in…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIpdC0o3mdM

    • Sue Smith

      I’ve posted this clip many times myself; it’s absolutely brilliant isn’t it??

    • Sue Smith

      I’ve posted this clip many times myself; it’s absolutely brilliant isn’t it??

    • Sue Smith

      I’ve posted this clip many times myself; it’s absolutely brilliant isn’t it??

    • Donafugata

      Many thanks for the link, Mongo.

      • Sue Smith

        How did you like “lovely Anon”?

  • E.I.Cronin

    Rod you’re in fine form. The icy winds of Odin… cackle. May it howl down from the north and blast away all banana-flavoured cake mix.

  • Mongo

    Rod on Question Time now….

  • Kasperlos

    BBC in its post-reality form. The only thing baked at the Beeb is the slanted PC reporting and entertainment. Gotta luv how the script writers employed by the Pravda network simply have to read what they’re handed by the mandarins at Westminster and the Quangos employed to ‘advise’ them on
    the transformation of the new UK. Millions watching the spectacle lend credence that the plan is full speed ahead. The mindless masses have tuned out themselves in favour of an orchestrated life plan.

    • Sue Smith

      Yes, both Cultural and Gramcian Marxism are highly toxic and have a lot to answer for!!

  • Ooh!MePurse!

    Rod – Question Time – superb!

    • ViolinSonaten b minor.

      Yes I totally agree with that, someone should suggest that to him 🙂

  • jeonlyxoxo .

    Rod – Question Time – Idiot!!

    • Mongo

      Legend you mean!

      • Colonel Mustard

        Well, he knows a lot about history as perceived through a fairly thick prism of left-wing revisionism.

    • Cyril Sneer

      That was deep…. you must be a lefty.

  • Daniel Maris

    It’s a shame that the Spectator don’t allow free debate regarding what Sharia law entails, who supports Sharia law and who doesn’t.

    • Mongo

      why doesn’t it?

  • Stephen Milroy

    So the BBC’s reasoning on this is ‘well, yes, we’ve had ghettoization, no go areas, mass sexual abuse and terrorism but c’mon just look at these wedding cakes!’ These TOTALLY make up for it!

    • Sue Smith

      What you fail to understand, sir, is that these strategies are typical of the Left. Having stared down failure of multicultural policy in the developed world, now that things are going pear-shaped at a rate of knots the standard Leftist response is always, “ooooh, look over there!!”. These anti-democrats know very well about bread and circuses.

    • sebastian2

      The BBC is obsessed with cookery, female issues, and clothes; so a cookery star who is female, wears unusual garments and is ethnically “diverse” says everything the BBC ever wants to say: which is actually not much at all.

      The BBC is pitifully shallow and not, as it happens, in the least “multicultural”. Its compulsory, stifling political correctness represents a very narrow cultural view and set of values indeed.

      • Donafugata

        I agree, Sebastian but strangely, for all its PC rubbish, the BBC is obsessed with something very un-PC which is competitiveness.

        They have made baking, dressmaking and dancing competitive, how long before they do the same with other female issues like childbirth and breastfeeding.

        Which mum will sprog first?

        The best thing I did this year was to write to the BBC to cancel my subscription.

        As for Bake-off, even if you have never seen it, it is impossible to be unaware of it and Mrs. Hijab was always going to be the winner. Apparently, they did have the guts to allow a token white person in the final.

        • sebastian2

          Good points. Competition is fine as long as the right competitor wins.

          You mention baking, dressmaking and dancing. These may be see, if anything, as stereotypical female pursuits, on one hand, and, on the other, activities that appeal to the BBC “arts” bias culture. The BBC is as stereotypical in the other direction – sport (football particularly), cars and some junior science is for the men.

          So the BBC dabbles in stereotypes – including in the stereotypical “multicultural” society of well paid, jolly, successful and ethnically diverse left/liberals all embracing the Corporation’s compulsory – but culturally slender because it encompasses such a limited range of approved views and norms (Sir Tim Hunt would never get a look-in) – corporate multiculturalism.

          I, too, have cancelled my licence fee.

  • Feminister

    “Why would so many people wish to watch other people bake stuff? By what stretch of the imagination is that even remotely interesting? ”

    By the stretch of the imagination that makes watching men drive cars, kick balls, talk about (at interminable length) driving cars and kicking balls remotely interesting?

    • Mongo

      wouldn’t a Feminista like you enjoy kicking balls?

    • nickwilde

      Are you saying only men like watching car programmes and only women like baking shows? How deeply sexist. You are clearly in need of some gender stereotyping re-education classes.

      • Feminister

        No, I’m saying that a special level of scorn is reserved for entertainment that women enjoy.

        • nickwilde

          Why do you think that baking programmes are particularly enjoyed by women? I watch every episode of GBBO. As I said, you are deeply sexist and need to undergo re-education to stop you from gender stereotyping. As for your ideas on what you call women’s and men’s programmes, no special scorn is reserved for, say, Clarkson, then?

    • Cyril Sneer

      Sexist.

  • Sue Smith

    No, unlimited immigration is not now, never was and never will be OK. Now, what to do with the problems you already have……!!

  • Innit Bruv

    I wonder how many of you undereducated prols were cheering
    Mo Farah when he won two gold medals in 2012?

    • Mongo

      his wins weren’t predetermined -ie. fixed – by a politically correct organisation (at least I hope they weren’t!)

      • MathMan

        Of course they were fixed. Fixed because he should be running for Somalia.

    • Don Mac Calman

      Since I am not a Somali, nor even an African of any sort ,I found no reason for any particular enthusiasm over Mogadishu Mo’s gold medals in 2012 .But that’s multiculturalism for you : each for his own tribe.

    • Richard

      Not a single cheer. It was a passport and nationality of convenience.

      • Innit Bruv

        The people cheering him on didn’t seem to mind.

    • Cyril Sneer

      “I wonder how many of you were cheering
      Mo Farah when he won two gold medals in 2012?”

      Not me.

      And that’s not even comparable to a fixed baking contest.

      • Todd Unctious

        Drug cheat Mo.

    • MikeH

      Not cheering for the medal winning per se; but that head-scraping, rear end aloft prayer to allah (or is it mohammed?) on the track, just after a win makes one proud to be British.

      Why he stopped the hands in front of the face prayers as he crossed the line God only knows, if you pardon the pun. One assumes blocked vision or balance issues would be cited.

      Lucky though that allah choses him to win and not his fellow competitors. What are they do wrong?

      • Innit Bruv

        Not running fast enough,that’s what..

    • Mark Frost

      Fuck off back to Salford you muppet.

      • Innit Bruv

        …..and the lowest common denominator reacts…
        QED !!
        What has Salford got to do with any of this you useless f@ckwit?

  • Thomas

    People don’t oppose immigration openly because the people that do are touted as extremists and arrested. I don’t think Tommy Robinson is the sharpest tool in the shed, but listen to his talk at the Oxford Union. Everything he did was in reaction to really disgusting behaviour from really extreme muslims. The media, the government, is so much quicker to deal with and investigate the reaction to extremism than actual extremism.

    Multiculturalist relativist thinking and government instincts to calm people down at any costs are combining to shut down debate.

  • sebastian2

    “But does that mean that unlimited immigration is perfectly OK?”

    No more than it means Malala Yousufzai is the new dawn for girls’ education in the Land of the Pure and Afghanistan.

  • Fouche101

    Poor Rodders has a classic Marxian mindset: everything under the sun has to be politicised and given an ideological perspective.
    Get a grip dear and lighten up: it’s just a successful, likeable and very British reality TV show (it’s got Mary Berry FFS).
    Become a moderate Tory like me and try to adopt a more balanced and Zen view of life. You might live longer.

    • Hippograd

      Poor Rodders has a classic Marxian mindset: everything under the sun has to be politicised and given an ideological perspective.

      And of course there’s nothing Marxian about the frenzied insistence that a Muslim lady with a headscarf baking a cake is proof that everything’s rosy in the multi-culti garden.

      Become a moderate Tory like me and try to adopt a more balanced and Zen view of life.

      Moderate Tory = more extreme Marxist.

      • Fouche101

        Your intransigent, ideological response suggests you’ve been contaminated by Rodders Disease.
        Am no multiculti enthusiast myself, but any show with Mary Berry in it should be declared off-limits to ranting ideological warriors.

        • Hippograd

          Am no multiculti enthusiast myself

          Of course not. That’s why you attack Rod Liddle for attacking multi-culti. As a moderate Tory, you want us to steer a moderate course pleased to Marxists.

          but any show with Mary Berry in it should be declared off-limits to ranting ideological warriors.

          Half-witted is too kind for that statement. The question is what agenda the programme is supporting, not who appears in it. But of course: you’re no multi-culti enthusiast yourself.

          • Fouche101

            Anyone using the word agenda should be banished to ideological hell, where nuttoids of far left and right can rant at each other for eternity.

          • Hippograd

            Sez a “moderate” Tory. “Agenda” is a lefty word and perfectly appropriate for lefty subversion. Which you, as a “moderate” Tory, are happy to support. Because Mary Berry’s on the programme, innit. I know Winston Churchill would be expelled from the modern, moderate Tory party as a dangerous racist extremist, but you ought to do some research into what he said about appeasement. It’s neither wise nor honourable.

          • Fouche101

            ‘Agenda’ is jargon used by febrile ideologues of far left and right, along with such nonsense as ‘false flag’ operations. Proper Tories don’t think in such terms.
            Appeasement? Do you mean Hitlerism or Islam? I have read his prescient late 19th century comments about Islam and agree with them wholeheartedly.
            Stop demeaning my Mary. Your dismissive attitude towards her suggests that you’re not a patriot. I shall have to get in touch with my mates at the Security Service and ask them to keep an eye on you.

          • Hippograd

            I’m not a “Tory”. The present so-called Conservative party is culturally Marxist. As a “moderate”, you will of course have been delighted by the legalization of gay marriage, which was the most important issue in the known universe at the time.

            If Winston Churchill came back from the dead, joined the modern Tories and then made a speech setting out his views on the modern UK, he would be expelled instantly for racism before being prosecuted for hate-speech with the full support of the party. As a “moderate” Tory, you’re happy to belong to a party that would behave like that.

            I shall have to get in touch with my mates at the Security Service and ask them to keep an eye on you.

            Don’t bother. I’m not sure they’re able to give me as much attention as they’d like, tho’. There are a lot of vibrant enrichers to keep an eye on too.

    • Scylla

      It was the fact that the event had been politicised by others that Mr Liddle was objecting to. Perhaps you didn’t read the article.

      • Fouche101

        The BBC has always been left-liberal with a penchant for multi-culturalism and GBBO is one expression of that tendency. But it is The National Broadcaster with a remit to unite the country. During the Scottish independence campaign it slyly backed keeping the union and I’m glad it did.
        GBBO was a heart-warming show that was appreciated by millions who don’t see everything through an
        Ideological prism and refuse to be exploited and polarised by the Scylla of left-wing commentators and the Charybdis of grumpy (former Trot) Rod Liddle.

        • rodliddle

          You either didn’t read the piece or didn’t understand it, Fouche.

          • Fouche101

            Was briefly tempted to troll back (or wind up, in old speak). But will continue instead to read the pleasingly-polemic articles of a fellow grumpy old fart.

    • Mark Frost

      I don’t think you’ve quite grasped what Rod was suggesting….Mr.Moderate Tory

    • anotherjoeblogs

      What’s balanced about a zen view of life ? You mean just being a brain dead zombie. You seem very worked up unlike Mr. Liddle, who appears to be in a state of satori compared to you.

      A senior monk and a junior monk were traveling together. At one point, they came to a river with a strong current. As the monks were preparing to cross the river, they saw a very young and beautiful woman also attempting to cross. The young woman asked if they could help her cross to the other side. The two monks glanced at one another because they had taken vows not to touch a woman. Then, without a word, the older monk picked up the woman, carried her across the river, placed her gently on the other side, and carried on his 
journey. The younger monk couldn’t believe what had just happened. After rejoining his companion, he was speechless, and an hour passed without a word between them. Two more hours passed, then three, finally the younger monk could contain himself any longer, and blurted out “As monks, we are not permitted a woman, how could you then carry that woman on your shoulders?” The older monk looked at him and replied, “Brother, I set her down on the other side of the river, why are you still carrying her?” –

  • David Woolford

    where’s mongo?

  • beenzrgud

    Well done Mr Liddle for his Question time performance in the face of now common liberal hand wringing nonsense. For an intellectual it was surprising how quickly Mr Schama descended to insult throwing, although that’s usually where the conversation ends up with such people.

    • The Dybbuk

      I thought Mr Liddle along with the Labour spokesman looked ill at ease throughout the whole programme which, considering the rest of the panel was understandable. As to the audience, clearly political balance is as alien to the BBC as ethnic diversity is amenable. Maybe, given their apparent willingness to welcome everyone here and to embrace free movement from the EU, Dover should declare UDI, apply to join the EU and offer to become a refugee camp. From Cinq Port to Sink Hole.

      • Fred Yang

        The ‘Shy Tory’ phenomenon was evident though, was it not?
        The audience may have been quite representative based on the views expressed by those audience members canvassed by Mr Dimbleby. However it was the mindless Leftist guilt trippers in the audience making the most noise – shouting, jeering and shaming, as usual.

        • Mongo

          “they’re all Homo Sapiens!”… “we’re all from Africa!”…..etc

          the QT audience gets more deranged each week

          • hobspawn

            Well done Rod, he was great. I watched it purely because Liddle was on, but the UKIP bloke spoke undiluted good sense too.

            Dimbleby announced that Farage would be on next week. The usual boos and ooh-aahs ensued, but did anybody notice a significant amount of polite applause too. The worm is turning.

          • Mongo

            Farage is always worth tuning into. Hope they invite Corbyn on next week too

          • Jenki

            Mongo..

            Indeed he is. I don’t recall ever seeing him bettered in an argument/discussion.

        • Jenny Waldron

          Fred Yang – the right always blames the left when they have lost the argument . The Tories and the right are very unpopular despite the fact that they won the last election, with 27%of the vote.

          • Fred Yang

            Sorry could you clarify which argument has been lost, exactly?

  • Richard

    On “The Times” website it was reported that this woman had said that her winning shows that all cultures in the UK treat other cultures well and how wonderful and multicultural the UK is. To this I replied that not all cultures in the UK accept other cultures, or treat them well, citing the winner’s culture as the worst in this regard. The backlash was amazing. I also asked why they thought that her winning a competition was more representative of Islam than Lee Rigby’s beheaders, suicide bombers, Tube bombers, Glasgow Airport bombers, and the 40% of students who want Shariah for the UK.

    It is really not possible in the UK to have much debate about anything. As Mr Liddle says, cranial cavities filled with banana-flavoured ready-mix cake batter.

  • Tim

    Of course she was going to win. Who could possibly doubt that. The cultural cringe that is the anti liberal left at the BBC made sure of that.
    And also well done for Question Time Rod. That historian prat had it coming to him. For an academic he deploys an awful lot of emoting in place of argument.

    • Harry Pond

      Yes and who the hell was that horrendous red headed poison dwarf- is she the spawn of Satan and Hazel Blears?

      • MacGuffin

        She’s one of Corbyn’s new Red Guards.

        • Harry Pond

          Yes, a real Vic Spanner.

    • Jenny Waldron

      Tim – Rod got a beating from Schama .

      • MacGuffin

        Did we watch the same programme? Schama was flailing and incoherent, inserting ‘actually’ constantly (to give himself time to think) and hardly even got more applause than Liddle did. When you consider that they were in front of a QT audience, that’s quite something.

  • peter6218

    Clearly on question time Simon Schama was praising the benefits of an emotional response to the Syrian refugees and poor Rod got an ear full . In contrast in 2006 he felt a more rational response was needed to a Middle Eastern event. Odd.

    “In 2006 on the BBC, Schama debated with Vivienne Westwood the morality of Israel’s actions in the Israel-Lebanon War. He characterised Israel’s bombing of Lebanese city centres as unhelpful in Israel’s attempt to “get rid of” Hezbollah. With regard to the bombing he said: “Of course the spectacle and suffering makes us grieve. Who wouldn’t grieve? But it’s not enough to do that. We’ve got to understand. You’ve even got to understand Israel’s point of view “

    • Spenglersdog

      It is a thought-crime to notice such double standards. You are in need of some ideological realignment.

    • Fred Yang

      Schama is only joining a long line of Jewish public figures / journalists advocating the loudest for an indiscriminate and emotion driven response to the Mediterranean migrant crisis. Most of them mysteriously refuse to hold Israel to the same humanitarian standards though.

      • Harryagain

        You never hear of “feminists” criticising Islam either.
        More hypocrisy.

    • Dogsnob

      He’s right, we still do.

  • John Thomas

    “Isis chops the heads off a bunch of Christians” – the truth is that the MSM makes sure the British people don’t know very much about the atrocities; and many people don’t care about Christians.

  • ohforheavensake

    Taxi for Mr Liddle… Can someone get the car keys off him? He shouldn’t be driving, not in this state.

    • Dogsnob

      Come on, it’s not the keys to his car you want to be confiscated. It’s the keys on his laptop you want taken away from him.

    • Jenki

      Thank goodness for the likes of Liddle, Littlejohn, And Hitchens. I don’t always agree with them but I nearly always read them

  • Spenglersdog

    An Idiocracy created to serve a Plutocracy. Otherwise known as a Democracy.

  • Zalacain

    “Isis chops the heads off a bunch of Christians” Or atheists.

    • TrulyDisqusted

      No wonder she win then, if that’s what all her cakes were like. I expect she be made a Lord next year… Baroness Token Too.

  • John Thomas

    I suspect Nadya and family are among those Muslims that the BBC and middle-class “liberals” like to believe are the real Muslims, who will win out against the “extremists”, ie. the Westernised, peaceful (in our meaning) and pro-democracy kind. Sadly, these Muslims (I concede that a struggle is going on within western Islam, as “liberals” claim) will not win out, I suspect; in Islam, it has been said, the bad will always replace the good, in time (our meanings of “bad” and “good”, of course), just as the later (violent) parts of the Koran take precedent over the earlier, conciliatory, parts.

    • WTF

      Historically the bad has always reined supreme in Islam !

    • Toy Pupanbai

      A Moderate or Good Muslim is merely a land mine waiting for the insertion of a fuse.
      This is indeed the War of the Worlds, and if no action is taken, Demographics will be the crushing weapont!

      • Jenki

        Toy Pupanbai..

        You are almost right, but not completely. There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim.
        All Muslims accept the Quran as literally the word of God. They are charged with Subjugating, converting or killing all those of other/ or no faith. As soon as Islam becomes the religion of the majority here in the UK. Just see how these so called moderates change.
        As an aside has anyone heard if Yvette Cooper has made good on her promise and taken in a immigrant as a house guest? Nah I thought not.

    • Harryagain

      If that were so she’d not be wearing silly clothes.
      They have to have one of everybody regardless of ability.
      Ideally brown/female/disabled/muslim/socially disadvantaged with a speech impediment in one person.
      And white people aren’t allowed to win.
      (To prove how wonderful immigration is.)
      Trouble is, when you see any of the above, you know they’re an incompetent token, not to be taken seriously.

  • TrulyDisqusted

    I tuned in to BBC’s “The Apprentice, Your Fired” last night and thought they offshored it’s production to India such was the lack of white British faces either on the panel or in the audience.

    I was terrified. I’m glad there were no children in the room or it would have been sleepless nights all around.

    Bakeoff has nothing on The Apprentice YF.

    • Shapster

      I live in a north Lincs village where, if a “person of colour” walked down the street, there’d be a whisper of gossip run round the place; I’m serious..
      So to drive thru Waltham Forest, London, this afternoon for a work errand, at school kick out time, I was truly and honestly agog….and without being too descriptive, felt I’d been transported to the set of Slumdog Millionaire slash Johannesburg railway station at rush hour. I’m not being un-PC here just to wind anyone up, but I was truly dumbfounded. Am I naive or simple or cosseted or narrow minded or what?
      I’m no hater of anyone whatever their colour or creed but really, what’s going on in London? Where are all the descendants of the lads who gave their lives in the 1st and 2nd world wars? Why is it a good thing that one child in every three born in England today is to parents who are foreign to these shores? I’m not left wing or right wing, or racist or angry, just pragmatic as are most people up here. Tell me someone, that I’m naively worrying unnecessarily about these green and pleasant lands….

      • Minnie the Sooh

        Your perspective has hit the nail on the head; like you I live in a predominantly rural county where there are a few immigrants and their families, now second generation attending schools. There is absolutely no tension. hostility or prejudice at all, and that is because all the incomers sign up to the culture they have chosen to live amongst – that’s proper integration. The big problem is that the recent explosion n immigration to this country has led to large separate communities, mostly in the cities, – a series of mono-cultures. The liberal left loved the idea of this. They thought it would be like travelling abroad to trendy places without actually making the effort to go anywhere. Now it has begun to unravel. So, the answer to “how many” as I see it is quite simple: what number can communities throughout the land absorb without being substantially changed? That means organizing and planning – not something any government of the past thirty years has been any good at.

  • Sarah Michie

    Norman Tebbitt was banging on about ‘black disabled lesbians’ over 20 years ago. Surely time for a fresh approach and less lazy thinking?

    • According to reports about Corbyn, the Left has moved on — from banging on to simply banging.

    • Harryagain

      The man was prescient.
      Obvious, even to retards with hindsight.

  • Odin’s running a tad late. Someone give him a call

    • Toy Pupanbai

      Anyone see the movie, ‘The Vikings’?
      ‘Odin, send the wind and turn back the tide’!

  • What is “Celebrating Diversity” other than Orwellian newspeak for native Britons (and white people everywhere) to celebrate our own ethnic displacement (white flight), replacement (we have already been reduced to an ethnic minority in large swathes of our major cities) and ultimate demise . . ??

    There is, of course, method to this madness, which is this: post-racial multicultural society and ideology serve the state’s age-old strategy of “divide and rule”, dividing society into a morally superior, now supposedly “colour-blind”, elite and the morally inferior, naturally (human nature being what it is) less colour-blind, masses, who must submit to the authority of and domination by their “moral superiors”.

    It is, in effect, a secular replacement for the power-political role of medieval church ideology, replacing “original sin” (disobedience of divine, i.e. priestly/state authority) with “racial prejudice” (the natural human inclination – like original sin – to identity with members of one’s own tribe, race or ethnic group, which absurdly was made responsible for the Holocaust and equated with the evils of Nazi racism), which only submission to priestly/academic/political/state ideology and authority can save us from eternal damnation for, not as heathens and heretics, as in the past, but as “bigots” and “racists”.

    • sebastian2

      A thoughtful post which opens up interesting lines of further thought. Thank you.

      • Thank you for the positive feedback. But a word of warning: these ideas lead into stormy waters which not everyone will want to try and navigate.

        They require a very different understanding of the nature of the state that we depend on and have been deceived into identifying with as our nation.

        Here’s a link to a blog I have written about it, which I hope will help you with your navigation: http://philosopherkin.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/civilisation-evolutionary-cul-de-sac.html

        • sebastian2

          Most considerate. I will follow up. Again, thank you.

  • Arthur Ascii

    Rod was excellent (again) on Question Time and as others have pointed out, his point about why the Muslim charity chose to stop visiting the Calais camp was met with silence and yet it revealed so much.

    Why is it that the immigration debate still manages to become stuck in an endless loop of bleating about the benefits of immigration (yes, we know, thanks for the reminder) while ignoring the key question which is, “How much is enough?”

    At some point the level of immigration creates more problems than it solves and even it rarely takes into account the effect immigration has on their communities.

    • Mongo

      it doesn’t matter how much evidence you present the pity-addicts with, if it doesn’t support their narrative, they simply will not accept it.

      when that kid in the audience declared he was uttely disgusted that the UK was only taking in 20,000 Syrian refugees I wanted to ask him – what figure wouldn’t disgust you? 30,000? 50,000? What arbitrary figure would satisfy your self-righteous outrage and make you feel good about yourself? And if he gave me a figure, I’d ask him – why not more?

      • sebastian2

        This was virtue signalling par excellence, by the permanently disgusted. And, as such, of no practical value at all. It’s just a cheap (no effort required) way to an affected clean conscience.

    • Toy Pupanbai

      Did Mandelson, or anyone else, explain why New Labour, ‘scraped around to find immigrants’, and for what purpose?

      • Harryagain

        The purpose was to import Nu Labour voters.
        And to establish their Multi-cultural Lala Land.

        They have this vision of a socialist Arcadia, where magic money trees grow at every street corner and everyone is fitted with a thought control micro-chip in their brains at birth.

    • Harryagain

      Apart from which, the pro-migrant faction are nasty, selfish and immoral.
      These people are needed in their own countries especially doctors and nurse.

    • Jenki

      Arthur Ascii..
      I have just watched QT on iplayer and I thought Rod Liddle made perfect sense.
      On the general topic of immigration and more specifically the recent immigration crisis. Whilst the would be immigrants are of many nationalities they are by and large of one religion! You know, the religion who’s followers hate us,and will not integrate EVER! And who will ,in not too many years hence will be in the majority here in the UK. Why do the talking heads never raise this issue preferring to ignore it? Just Look to Sweden for an example of Islamic immigration. And now it is happening in Germany as well.

      • Arthur Ascii

        No politician is willing to broach the subject for fear of forever being labelled as islamophobic. Fear is controlling the minds of many.

        • Jenki

          Arthur Ascii..

          Islamaphopic? A phobia is an irrational fear. To not fear Islam is irrational. But I agree with you on Politicians dodging the issue. The poorly educated or the idealistic young have an excuse. (we are all humans etc) But politicians have no such excuse.

          • sebastian2

            Mohammedans are Al’Lahphobic. They are terrified by their so-called deity and the punishments that await the disobedient.

            They are also, by the way, deeply islamophobic as well. They have a common fear of each other.

      • sebastian2

        Mohammedans’ religious duty is not to integrate. They can immigrate as part of a comprehensive jihad. But integrate with the Kaffir? Absolutely not.

      • sebastian2

        I also read it. The facts as emerging are bad enough. The authorities’ denials and concealments are far, far worse.

        The situation is completely unsustainable. My anxiety is that an extreme set of chronic ills will finally invite correspondingly extreme responses. I do not expect the German people to tolerate and suffer this indefinitely.

  • Cogra Bro

    Too much is when immigrants become the majority and the ‘hosts’ become the strangers and the aliens.

    That point will be reached in the lifetimes of our children or grandchildren on present trends,

    So really, we already have too much immigration.

    If a native Briton is young enough and can, the best thing he or she should do is to emigrate. Your ‘representatives’ won’t help you. You are one of the despised ‘ hideously white’.

    So go. Find somewhere where you will not be relegated to the back of every queue or find others preferred above you because of your ethnicity, and go there.

    Go without regret, because this is no longer your country, and go soon, before the rush.

    • Mary Ann

      If we want less immigration we should have more babies otherwise there will not be enough people to pay our pensions.

      • Brentfordian

        You want to import people to service you in your old age?

      • Margot5000

        The woman on Bake off was lovely but when/ if I am ever in an OAP home I would not want to be serviced by hejab wearing staff. Don’t mind the nationality but would mind the garb. We’re getting to the state of Ireland 50 years ago when religion called the tune in all things – and seemingly still does e.g. that abortion situation.

      • Pioneer

        You will have a lot of unemployed as well as a lot of pensioners.Reducing your population is the way to go.

      • Vera

        Selective immigration is good. A rush of humanity who won’t even own up to their nationality does no one any good.

    • Leftism is a societal cancer

      There isn’t anywhere to go. We need to stay and fight.

  • retundario

    Well said Liddle. You should be knighted, amazing on QT last night.

    • Jenny Waldron

      retundario – No, Liddle was not amazing – just spouting his tabloid nonsense.

      • retundario

        No he was great – a very nice antidote to idiotic socialist spew.

      • MacGuffin

        How is it tabloid nonsense to say that the so-called ‘refugee crisis’ should be addressed on the basis of a rational look at outcomes, rather than hysteria?

  • The_Other_One_Too

    My god, what a vile piece of shit you really are.

    • Mongo

      it’s not fair to describe Nadiya like that. She is just a pawn in a much larger and more sinister game

      • E.I.Cronin

        you do make me laugh Mongo! take one for the cat too. 🙂

      • ohforheavensake

        Really?

        Is it Cluedo?

        • Mongo

          no, Risk

      • Mary Ann

        Conspiracy theory

    • Paul Montgomery

      Perhaps you are staring in the mirror?

    • Great argument. You sound like a N zi, into the bargain.

    • WTF

      I assume you’re referring to Rod Liddle as you seem to be lacking on engaging in a valid debate !

      • Mary Ann

        Yes RL, it is a nasty piece of writing. Some of the comments are just as unpleasant.

        • WTF

          Unfortunately the left are so thin skinned they find offense at any criticism even when done tongue in cheek. His comments are quite valid in respect of the BBC (and others) (a) producing crap reality programs for most that cost little to produce and (b) ensuring the token ethnic representation is made.

          Whatever happened to honest comments as I wouldn’t watch this rubbish (or any other reality junk) with or without the X% of color, creed or religion being artificially introduced into the program by the mentally retarded multiculturalists.

          These days, color, creed and religion are ALWAYS put on a pedestal when any person from a minority group is abused, wins a contest or stands out from others and this more than anything creates a divisive society rather than the cohesive one the libtards claim they want. Well done to anyone who wins an award whatever it maybe but why is their color, creed or religion of importance as its patronizing to flag this up when at the end of the day, people are just people. That is partly what RL was driving at and its not a slam at this lady but the white liberals with an axe to grind.

    • Cyril Sneer

      Yes how dare he speak the truth, we must lie and pretend things are not as they are.

  • Minstrel Boy

    It says that the majority of the indigenous, white British people are the least racist people on this Earth, despite all the chip-on-shoulder, token ethnic, race orchestrating chancers who have ridden the guilt train to lucrative employment in the UK at the expense of better qualified and more experienced colleagues. Doesn’t happen in any of their countries of origin. As if!

    • WTF

      Yep, racism based on religion is standard fare in most Islamic states to the point of genocide if you’re of the wrong faith but the libtards are too afraid to discuss this and conveniently look the other way just like Rotherham.

      • sebastian2

        Yes. Very puzzling. Sharia, for instance, is deeply discriminatory: a fact that the multicultural left and feminists seem careless of.

        The left can neither be admired (they will tolerate the abominable) nor trusted (they are inconsistent – false to their own ideals).

  • Toy Pupanbai

    ‘simply because of the colour of one’s skin.’

    Mixing Racism with Ideology, again!
    Critical Theory!

  • Pacificweather

    Be careful Rod. Your wife might seek off with Simon Schama for a bit of liberal response.

  • spiritof78

    So we are not racist, despite the ‘obliteration of their local culture’!

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  • MathMan

    This baking prog was just another BBC PR stunt.

    • Todd Unctious

      Like Antiques Road show and Spring watch, One Man
      and his dog and Songs of Praise. Riddled with Islamic subliminal messages

    • Mary Ann

      Rubbish.

    • Eurocentric

      I’m in now way happy with the way things have been going with the Islamist thing, and can admit that I was wary of that niqab from the start. But as viewers got to know Nadiya, she had none of the Islamist seriousness or misery about her. Her personality shone through, as did her very obvious talent. Is she just devout, respectful to a family tradition, or an Islamist? Will we really know, and do we care? Whether or not the BBC took her on as an “affirmative action” competitor, it became clear in the last few episodes that she was head and shoulders above the rest as a baker.

      • Suleiman

        I have not watched this programme at all. So just in general : Britain is such a corrupt country that I would never put it past the BBC or any public organization involved in competitions to deliberately eliminate well in advance potential competitors who may give a good competition to the preferred-in-advance winner. I don’t say that they do it, but I also notice that there is never any public enquiry into either alleged or perceived or just possible corruption anywhere in competitions. When so many British judges are believed to be corrupt, for example : in Employment Tribunals, honesty in the conduct of competitions is not something that I take for granted. May be they are honest, but who knows ? – not me.

        • rubyduck

          Britain is not, yet, a corrupt country. The BBC certainly is.

  • MathMan

    On another topic, Rod, it was good to see you give Schama a good kicking on QT. Well done!

    • Jenny Waldron

      Mathman – No he didn’t, I thought Schama got the better of him.

      • Chris

        Obviously you were watching a different programme to everybody else.

      • MacGuffin

        Schama came across as a fatuous hand-wringing idiot, as he so often does.

      • Trofim

        It depends quite a lot on how many in the audience live in a suburb. Apparently suburban people are awful. It’s a blessing so few of them there are.

  • Gilbert White

    The presenter could have asked Nadiya if she submitted to her husband’s will like in the Koran or did she follow British Secular Law and a woman’s right to refuse. Bake that off Beeb?

    • Todd Unctious

      That would be the icing on the cake.

  • lenzicon

    If all Muslims ever did was share their food with us, all would be hunky dory. It’s the other things they want to stuff down our throats that are the problem.

  • sebastian2

    This delightful and talented cook succeeded because she wasn’t living in an islamic state.

    It was not a win for progressive mohammedanism and, as they say, “muslims who are misunderstood, misrepresented and negatively stereotyped”, but a win – and a big one – for everything that mohammedism isn’t.

    She’s a mohammedan – yes. But one emancipated (up to a point, I guess) from everything her creed would forbid her from if it institutionally could.

    Nadiya won ………. because mohammedism lost.

    • Mary Ann

      Nadiya won because she was better than the others.

    • Ipsidixit

      The niqab is a political statement. I have never watched the programme or eaten one of her cakes but the fact that she wore a niqab is proof that she rejects the society that allowed her to represent her alien views as acceptable.

      • lenzicon

        Yep, the headdress is a “brand logo”. I know a number of Muslim women and they don’t ever wear this thing. They treat Islam as a religion that they practise in private. When a woman puts on one of these in public she is advertising and proselytising.

        • Niqabi Girl

          Those women practice it in private, because a “free and democratic” society looks down on women who continue their practice in the public. The Hijab is meant to be in the public, in the private women don’t wear this! Who would want to wear the niqab an the hijab in the private sphere? It’s kind of silly.

          • Trofim

            And who would want to wear the niqab and the hijab in the public sphere? It’s kind of silly.

          • lenzicon

            Why wear a niqab at all? What’s the point? The point is to advertise your religion. Advertising your religion should be banned.

        • Vera

          Perhaps she just had a bad hair day.

          • rubyduck

            Got to admit that the hijab (or whatever) would come in handy when you can’t be ***ed to wash. I use a woolly hat but it’s a bit out of place in the summer.

      • sebastian2

        She was wearing a hijab not a full veil (niqab). However, it remains, along with the black garments, a statement of “faith”. A “faith” that is actually a political doctrine. As a doctrine, it is incompatible with our society’s fundamental principles and laws. (This formed part of the Turkish secular-theocracy controversy when Emine Erdogan showcased it.)

        It would be churlish to emphasis all this at a time of such well earned celebration – and she is clearly a delightful, talented lady – but we cannot ignore the symbolism. It is there before our very eyes.

        Whether she rejects our society, I cannot say. I doubt that she does, though there are those who might well urge her to.

        I fear she has a lot of thinking to do.

        • Ipsidixit

          My mistake. I’d intended to write hijab but in haste I erred. Wearing the hijab proves to me only that she is on the same continuum as a niqab wearer. She was used knowingly to try to make that appalling garment appear acceptable.

  • Radford_NG

    Whilst Bengalis are also devoted to the cult of the demon B*th*m*t and to the book I suspect copied from the same source used by the mad Arab Abdul Alhazred,they are not the same as the hill tribesmen of Mirpur …and the Bengalis were subject to a vicious war by the P*ks.

    Also they have no ethnic relation to the 100s of Thousands coming this way from The Tribal Territories and the Middle East;peoples who have always hated us and Europeans in general.On The Frontier we formed a policy towards the tribes:You leave us alone and we will leave you alone.If they didn’t leave us alone we instituted a policy called `Butcher and Withdraw`.

    We didn’t try to impose democracy on them.This was instituted by the mad tribal leaders at Foggy Bottom….they being the source of much of our problems today.President Wilson said he would make the world safe for democracy …..he did not say he would democratise the world;whether the world wanted it or not.

  • Mary Ann

    What a nasty little article, Nadia won because she was the best, poor girl, having her victory turned into a comment about racism.

    • Paul Montgomery

      “The victory of Ms Hussain — who seemed, from her interviews, utterly charming — was heralded by all and sundry as evidence of ‘how far we have come’ and as a riposte to those antediluvians who believe Muslims only ever blow people up.”

      You are shooting the messenger.

    • Ipsidixit

      You provide Proof that there really are people as stupid as rod Liddell fears.

    • global city

      You didn’t read it, did you? You made your mind up what sort of xenophobic tripe that Liddle would certainly write and just went with the knee jerk!

      How funny.

      • Mary Ann

        actually I did read about half of it, but I found it so awful I gave up. A young woman enters a competition and wins, WTF does it matter what her religion or her colour are, why should she have to put up with this sort of thing being written about her, she is not a politician she is a housewife and mother who happens to be able to cook better than most of us.

        • global city

          but, that is what Rod stated… that was the point.

          His ‘critique’ was against those in charge who would have wet themselves at the mere fact that this lady wears a scarf. It is their own religious/ethnic obsessions that he was mocking. The piece was about their silliness, rather than her religion.

  • Anton

    I have nothing to say about this baking business, but, and I do not know where else to post this, I saw a snippet of you on Question Time. Mr Liddle and I would like to pay tribute to your ripostes to that historian. I, too, am from the “echt” working class but have moved on to a kind of bourgeois status and feel desperately frustrated when my daughter’s middle class husband (a lovely chap in every way) and my daughter fail to see (are intellectually capable of seeing) why we who were weaned on a different sensibility are horrified at the current state of affairs.

  • Margot5000

    Interesting that a British prison seems to have been taken over by muslims who are busily ‘converting’ the infidels who are unfortunate enough to find themselves there.

    • sebastian2

      If that is happening, it’s because the prison education system has failed. It is accommodating utter nonsense.

  • Niqabi Girl

    People can practice their religion in Islamic states; However, because of the obliteration of religions and cultures that did not follow Euro-centric beliefs, and instigated to instill liberal values and capitalism that created huge inequalities, Islam tried to rise as an alternative to instill social change. The “Islamic states” that are being painted now, are not Islamic at all, but have incorporated other things that deviate from Islam.

    True Islamic states try to provide social services to the communities, such as welfare, housing, food, land in order to diminish inequalities. Right now there’s a resistance to liberalism rising through other forms, unfortunately Islamic states have gained a bad name in public media and in the eyes of the public because those interested in proliferating capitalism and liberal values are in control. Liberalism is not necessarily a good thing, it is what enables the richer to get richer and the poorer to get poorer, it is what enables the privatization of property that only goes to fatten a big man’s already fat wallet, while seeking to remove people’s rights to their own self-determination. People paint a bad picture of Qur’an because they only seek to destroy that religion, but it is a religion that in it’s true form prioritizes social solidarity. The Islam that is portrayed by Muslims now has been mixed with culture. A true Muslim, who follows Islam as it is will be kind, a productive member of society, a law abiding citizen, etc. etc. etc. A Muslim that mixes Islam with culture is a different story.

    On that note.
    I think Britain, France, Spain, etc. Majority of European countries forgot what they did to the rest of the world. It is easy to forget how cultures were eradicated, religions destroyed, properties taken, and whole generations were “diseased” with the belief that they were inferior by their color. It is easy to forget how capitalism and liberalism (something the Western world loves); destroyed generations and enhanced the inequalities of countries and regions. Then, complain about an influx of immigrants who are presently feeling the ramifications of the destruction of their homes and societies. You guys complain about a few cases of “terrorism”; but forget the massive annihilation of peoples, the slavery, the continued exploitation of people, the bombings over supposed weapons of destruction, and the continued to support to regimes that do nothing more than oppress their people for the economic satisfaction of a few fat wallets. This “extremism” is painted in the same aspect that “communism” was painted in the cold war; communism which sought to provide a better level of social equality to people. However, it is easy to demonize something that will not bring economic benefits to a few small elites;

    We greet and honor veterans (who have killed people); yet we demonize others who do the EXACT same, simply because they are not fighting on the winning side. When are we going to start demonizing ALL aspects of war? Instead of just those on the other side, who have been left with nothing but a destroyed and decayed society. No one sees that the War on Iraq, the bombing of Iraqi people and the economic sanctions over a 10 year period provided a NESTING ground of hatred to everything that elevated the economic capital of countries who had the capabilities of destroying a country, and over 1 million people. Children were left homeless, bred in situations of deadly dormant missiles that were poisonous, and knew nothing but a vicious cycle of violence. Yet we continue to demonize them and Islam as the instigators of this? Why aren’t we demonizing those who created these conditions and seek to restore the damage that continues to promote hatred. The more people meddle in affairs in the middle east, in order to seek out economic advantages, the more the influx of immigrants will go into Europe. That’s the reality.

    • sebastian2

      With great respect and appreciation of the effort you’ve made to post this, I must profoundly disagree.

      Mohammedism is a political doctrine devoted to the kuffirs’ total overthrow. Your alleged “prophet” was not the perfect man; the qur’an is very fallible indeed; and islamic states have a truly disgraceful track record.

      I do not wish to wound your feelings but, really, you need to reflect on more and examine more objectively the things you’ve been brought up to believe unconditionally. You have been deceived.

      • Niqabi Girl

        I haven’t heard Mohammedism used in such a long time (really, texts that I’ve read from the 1800s describe Mohammedism…). You’re really in the past with that phrase. Whatever distortions you have of the Prophet, do not speak unless you’ve actually managed to study the Qu’ran in the most profound sense.

        Islamic states do not represent Islam. I could say the EXACT same of Christianity, but I am not ignorant as to bash Christianity and Jesus, because Christian “states” – I.E the United States; have a disgraceful track record of keeping human rights.

        You need to stop confusing Islam, with Islamic states; because that’s entirely different. Rulers are not infallible. That’s what I am trying to discuss here, is that Islam and an Islamic state are so different. ISIS calls itself an Islamic state, but it knows nothing about Islam. I look at ISIS as children (because most are father and motherless) who were bred in an environment that encouraged violence, and know nothing outside of this environment. That they were also in a place that was more closely linked to Islam due to geographical reasons is a reality, where they obtained a “source” to try to legitimize their actions, is purely coincidental. I am doing my graduate studies in this, and if you go deep enough you will see how fractionalized these societies became as a result of years of conquest and plundering.

        For example, in the Ottoman empire, Muslim women owned so many shops and were engaged in the market. They had a huge influx of capital from having these independent stores, and were not constricted because they were the hijab or in some cases the Niqab. The United Kingdom came and promoted trade with the empire so that the very cheap and quickly industrialized forms of clothes flooded the empire and displaced women’s shops. I really urge you to read beyond what you are fed in massive media.

        In the 1970s-1980s, countries were being pushed to accept structural reforms that promoted neo-liberalism. (I.E more influx from outside of their countries, which created greater depths of inequalities); this didn’t just happen in the Middle East, but it happened everywhere as a result of the Cold War. The Cold War was a breeding ground for proxy wars occurring all over the Third World. Many different kinds of movements were mobilized in order to resist this invasion of ideals that would only benefit the richest percent. One of these was an Islamic movement, that was trying to tackle these neo-liberal invasive doctrines of privatization and market-led structural reforms; for a social design. I suggest perhaps reading The Islamic Threat: Myth or Reality by John L. Esposito and K.N Chaudhuri, Asia before Europe: Economy and Civilization of the Indian Ocean from the Rise of Islam to 1750.

        Islam became more “Militarized” as least that’s what it’s painted to be due to many circumstances that were aimed at survival and active military resistance to “Western invasions”; thereby disregarding many of the important tenets of Islam. Just as Christianity in the 1800s disregarded many of the tenets of Christianity and twisted verses in order to justify many of the barbarism of slavery, exploitation and genocide. But despite Christianity having been utilized to enslave massive people, to create this slave triangle between Africa, USA and The U.K, as well as being utilized to change and destroy most, if not all of the cultures in South America; people don’t see Christianity in a bad light. I, as a Muslim, do not see Christians as bad people, nor do I see the Bible as bad and filled with deception, I have studied the Bible and understand it’s deep context.

        This long post, is to provide some insight as the layers of complexity that this whole thing is embezzled with. “Democracy” (I do quote / unquote); has not brought peace and tranquility to the “Middle East”; instead it has provided a nesting ground of breeding hate, because countries with gun power are free to go and invade other countries, destroy societies, make children homeless, and its war veterans are painted as heroes, honored and sanctified for their actions. However, those who wish to retaliate are painted as horrible people. How many people have been killed by acts of terrorism as opposed to war? Let’s think of the Iraq war alone. How many people died in the Iraq war? Hmm, close to a million. But hey, it doesn’t matter because they were “Arab Scum” right? They deserved to die and had it coming for them? Despite having not found weapons of mass destruction. How many children in Iraq deserved to die of starvation? Hey, it doesn’t matter, it’s collateral damage.

        When are we going to stop being SO CRITICAL, without realizing the faults that our own society have promoted elsewhere? I believe the moment we stop thinking that “terrorism” is a threat, but instead look for solutions as to where and how these things came about we will realize that it is a war being posed in retaliation for war. As opposed to demonizing and defiling the belief of over 1.6 billion people on this earth.

        • sebastian2

          My own view is that mohammed wasn’t a muslim at all. How could he be? He did everything that you seem to think is against islam (whatever that is). He killed; had slaves; was a polygamist; appropriated booty; destroyed most of Makkah’s sacred sites; and consigned his uncle Abu Talib (who brought him up and protected him) to hell, since he didn’t embrace mohammed’s “religion”. Doesn’t sound like the religion of peace to me.

          So if mohammed wasn’t a muslim (though he was a mohammedan), who is now? There’s nobody “muslim” to follow. Even more so if you’re female.

          I think you’d be better off as a Buddhist, though I must warn you that Buddhists are despised by mohammedans – I don’t know why.

          That aside, I’m sure you’re a very kind hearted person who really does mean well. You also have some insights. You are earnest in your prose. Forgive me, though, if I suggest you need to walk a little further along the road to enlightenment.

          Have a glance at the Analects of Confucius.

          I have, by the way, read the qur’an’s 114 suras arranged, confusingly, in order of length – not in chronological order, which would be better.

          Most of its notions are not original.

          PS – Have fun. Stay cool.

          • Niqabi Girl

            The Quran needs to be understood in the context that it was written, not by itself, otherwise you fail to understand it. Mohammed, P.B.U.H; was a man who could not read, or write, yet he was able to recall and tell what the Bible and the Torah had; but he also expanded. I will not say it was Mohammed alone, but he was given divine revelation. To account for Islam through Mohammed, PBUH is to disregard where these messages came from.

            The Prophet was born in an era where these things were happening (slavery, etc. etc. etc.), there was massive slavery, drinking of alcohol, etc. He could not have eradicated slavery at once, but through time recommended the emancipation of slaves. If he had gone to eradicate slavery, he would have been faced with retaliation from a lot of society who had slaves at the time. He also never consigned his uncle to hell, but he was saddened that he never accepted Islam. Nevertheless, he never disregarded nor was rude to him despite his uncle not accepting Islam. The Prophet taught to be good to family, EVEN if they were not Msulims. So how could he dislike non-Muslims? Islam is also not just understood through the Quran, but there are the Hadiths, which provide us with information that further enlighten Muslims about the message of Islam.

            Before I became a Muslim, I also despised Islam and thought about it like this because of the horrible examples Muslims give about it. I traveled a lot and came to know Islam from people whose characters were quite different. There is a huge difference between Muslims who mix Islam with culture and those who follow Islam for what it really is. It’s not meant to be a constriction, but to be a guidance for getting through in life in many aspects. Such as how to deal with people in trade, how not to charge interest because its harmful to society, how to ensure that the trust you are given is kept, how to keep your oath and promises.

            The prophet was a Polygamist, yes, but not because he was sexually driven and desired for women. He engaged in polygamy in order to show that not just VIRGINS were to be married. He married Christian, Jewish, he married a widow, he married a divorce woman, he married a woman who was a slave and emancipated her, he also married a virgin. War is an unfortunate event that happens, which in reality leaves MANY women without husbands and who have children. The prophet encouraged taking care of these women who had no husbands because the structure of the “state” as a welfare system was not there to provide and care for these women. There is so much more context that is often forgotten. He also warned us against marrying women, when a man would not be equal and good to these women in the same manner. So polygamy is not something that is for everyone, but it serves many purposes in order to keep a structure in society. Furthermore, Islam encourages Muslims to practice but in a moderate way, not to practice in a way that will put limitations on us or make it harder for us. Islam encourages Muslims to keep the law of the land they are in, it encourages Muslims to be law abiding citizens wherever they are. The prophet had wars, but these must be read in the context. When he was in Saudi, a lot of women were being buried for being born as women, a lot of women were going through so many hardships because tribes wanted boys. The Prophet banned this practice and encouraged families to take care of women. A lot of people confuse Islam with the practices of tribes in Arab lands. These two are different. If the Prophet had not engaged in Wars, the people who were trying to practice Islam would have been destroyed. He wanted to get rid of the customs that were so destructive for social unity. Such as burying women, or marrying women without giving them rights. Islam got rid of the burial of women, provided women with rights in marriage and entitled women PROPERTY. Something that was not even thought of in Europe during that time. The Prophet’s wives were active members of society, they fought with him and were leaders, they were not relegated to the back of politics, but were there with him.

            Muslims who keep Islam are not caught up with the cultures and customs of their countries, but engage in keeping Islam by being productive, active and good members of society. Islam is not a barrier to education, nor is it a barrier to being an active member in society. Instead of discriminating Muslims, why doesn’t society engage and understand Islam and see the connections that Islam has? The long history?

          • nicnac

            You appear to be bewitched by your own facility with language. Nonsense is nonsense, and an avalanche of words does not conceal this.

          • Niqabi Girl

            Bewitched – nice use of language, it makes a lot of sense. Now we’re back to “witches” and non-witches 😛 good advancement.

          • Trofim

            He’s talking about bewitchment as in Wittgenstein’s Verhexung:

            Die Philosophie ist ein Kampf gegen die Verhexung unsres Verstandes durch die Mittel unserer Sprache.

            You are such a thicko.

          • sebastian2

            “The Quran needs to be understood in the context that it was written, not by itself, otherwise you fail to understand it.”

            If it is supposed to be perfect (as is supposed) then it has no “context”. “Context” is irrelevant. If it requires “context” then it cannot be perfect. It needs something additional: “context”.

            It is also claimed, by the way, that it can only truly be understood in the Arabic it is written in. I guess you do not know Arabic. So you are faced with an imperfect document, clumsily arranged, and in a language that you are perhaps not fluent in. (This assumes that the original spoken language of 620+ was identical to the Arabic of the final version. One may not be a faithful transcript of the other.)

            But again, please point out to me the islamic state that manifests the ineffable perfections of your adopted creed.

          • Niqabi Girl

            Islamic jurisprudence doesn’t just stem from the Quran. So, looking at the Quran alone is not going to provide insight into what Islam is about, it’s not the ONLY source of knowledge. The Qur’an is different than the Bible which has been accommodated to different versions, the Qu’ran can be memorized and the original Qu’ran was compiled by one of the Prophet’s companions from memorization (he asked many people who had memorized the Qu’ran to recite it in order to authenticate it), so it was not written by one person, but rather by a community who had each memorized it. The Hadiths were also provided through authenticated narrations (the Hadith is the life of the Prophet Muhammad); these provide insight to dealing with things such as property, marriage, etc. etc.

            I never mentioned that Islamic states manifested the perfections of Islam. It is unfortunate that theory is far from practice, even in the case of democratic states; where democracy in theory is amazing and I love it, but the practice is quite different. What I want to make you realize is that practice and theory are two totally different things, and on that note Islam has tried to be utilize in order to bring back social benefits to society but has failed to do so because nations are not in a vacuum, but are the result of interactions with other nations and this includes keeping the system in a structure that benefits some, at the expense of others.

            Islam in its theoretical form is an amazing thing, as democracy. Unfortunately, democracy is often in bed with capitalism, which has a rather exploitative nature; it continues to exacerbate conditions of inequalities across countries, and even in our OWN countries; but we are so caught up trying to demonize others who do not fit into the “idealized” view we have indoctrinated in ourselves and the rest of the world; that we dismiss the failures of our own society in providing better conditions for those who are most vulnerable. (I hope I didn’t deviate far from the subject, but this is to show you that no state is infallible, we all contribute to the conditions that dehumanize members of society, so instead of polarizing society more, why not engage and understand the attributes that diversity can provide ?)

          • sebastian2

            Mohammedism is a dualist “religion” whose core texts form a trilogy – mainly devoted to mohammed actually. The deity (Al’Lah – the god) has a comparatively minor inclusion. Al’Lah, by the way, is a tribal lunar deity that had 3 daughters (deities in their own right) whose existence inspired the satanic verses. But I’m sure you know all this.

            It is also “perfect”. That is to say it is infallible, complete and exempt from revision or amendment. You are basically stuck with it. To question or contradict it may prove fatal under sharia.

            It was compiled, well after mohammed’s death, from scattered fragments and recollections. Following the final version under Uthman, the source material was destroyed in an act of scholastic vandalism. (Book burning is what tyrants do.) The “origins” were erased and are generally no longer available for study, although this has not halted revealing and thought provoking historical investigation into what’s left: much to mohammedans gross discomfort. The language has been examined and the quran’s contents matched with earlier, others’ religious ideas that seem to have been plagiarised and added in.

            As for perfect islamic states based on these “perfect”, “divine” revelations, there are none. This is not, I suggest, because they have been poorly applied and instituted but because the doctrine is inapplicable. It cannot rise to its own occasion. The answer to this is an increasingly totalitarian imposition of it – and we know where this leads.

            As for a cure for the ills of capitalism, forget it. It has inspired capitalism in its most extreme form – abject and widespread slavery and exploitation. Mohammedans have been prolific slave makers, slave users and slave traders. This pretty much continues in certain mohammedan, islamic states – as domestic and other servitude. It is a tenacious tendency linked to the notion of dhimmitude – which mohammedism sanctions.

            If you wish to address the flaws of modern capitalism, then start a business and employ a few people on generous wages. Or go into practical politics.

            Leave the Never Never land that is mohammedism and re-enter the world as it is. Do some good that way. I’m sure you can.

          • sebastian2

            “When he was in Saudi …”

            There was no “Saudi”. KSA was created in 1932.

            “why doesn’t society engage and understand Islam…”

            Society does understand islam (mohammedism). It’s because of this that we doubt and disagree with it. The greater the understanding the greater the disapproval and scepticism.

            You are confusing “understanding” with submission.

          • Cogra Bro

            The Qur’an includes a lot of mishmash Christianity derived from way-out Christian sects of the time.

            I think you will find that the ‘Prophet’ indulged in a lot of brigandage for the sole purpose of getting ‘booty’ including women. And his wars were otherwise aggressive and undertaken to dominate all and sundry, beginning with the Arabian peninsula.

            These women who the converts’ ‘right hands possess’ were then sex slaves. Just like the women sold by ISIL and captured by Boko Haram

            Yep,lovely religion, that Islam,

        • sebastian2

          “I haven’t heard Mohammedism used in such a long time …”

          Come on …….. admit it. You’re Obi Wan Kenobi.

          • Niqabi Girl

            You see beyond my disguise!!! 😛

          • sebastian2

            Indeed I do.

        • WTF

          Islam was a military power at its beginning starting with the conflict between Medina and Mecca, despite your enhanced intellect you seem to be rather vacant on Islams history. Don’t they teach Islamic history at conversion classes !

        • Cogra Bro

          Human Rights are actually A Christian doctrine. There are no human rights in Islam which enjoins bloody war on non- Muslims and treats women as inferior beings.

    • lenzicon

      It’s true that the US and its allies have been exploiting the Middle East since at least 1953 when they overthrew Mossadeq in Persia/Iran. It’s true that the US coaxed Saddam into attacking Iran in 1980 and supplied him with weapons to wage an 8 year long war against Iran in retaliation for the overthrow of The Shah. It’s true that the US overthrew Saddam in Iraq in 2003 and made a mess of their regime change strategy.
      However it’s also true that Saudi Arabia has been exporting Sunni Wahabbism to other countries since the 1980’s and that this has led to a form of Islamic fascism adopted by the Taliban, Al Qaeda and now Isis. This fascism is as dangerous to world peace now as European and Japanese fascism was in the 1930’s.
      This fascism needs to be resisted by Muslims. The best way to do this is to stop being so overtly Muslim, and to keep their religion to themselves, as nobody outside the Muslim community cares about the Koran and Muslim beliefs, just as Muslims don’t care about other people’s religions.
      Keep your religion private.

      • cartimandua

        If no one bought the oil what would they export camels?

        • Niqabi Girl

          Lol they export dates as well.

          • Vera

            You are ridiculous. Dates?????????? Wow, get rich on that.
            If the West is so bad, and I make no excuses for us, we got it wrong many times, why are you here?

          • Niqabi Girl

            Dude, I’m not from the “East”; I’m a convert. :/ So my entire family is here. Why do you assume everyone that’s Muslim is from the “East”? Also, people move to West because we’ve managed to screw up their societies; it makes sense. What grade did your schooling coming to a halt?

          • Trofim

            “We” screw up their societies? Can’t say I remember taking part. Muslims screw up their own societies. If they were allowed to , they wouldn’t be able to run a piss up in a brewery. They haven’t even got the sense to regulate their populations. The people of tiny Bangladesh churn out babies on an industrial scale, to such an extent that its population is larger than Russia, the most colossal country on the planet. Muslims create their own failure. Go and read Pervez Hoodbhoy “Islamic Failure”.

          • Niqabi Girl

            Pervez is a PHYSICIST, not a sociologist, nor a psychologist, nor a post-colonial scholar. He doesn’t care about the colonial legacies that destroyed societies. Go read Fanon, go read Qutb, go read Ayoob, go read John Foran, Eric Selbin, Ashis Nandy, Anne Orford, Derek Gregory, Shashi Tharoor and Sam Daws, Banwen Gruffydd Jones, Anne McClintock, Johannes Fabian, CLR James, etc. etc. Pervez Hoodbhoy is not going to talk about the colonial legacies that fractionalized societies, because he doesn’t care about that. He’s going to talk about the problems with the societies NOW, without looking at the legacies, because he’s a PHYSICIST that could care less about the human condition and the deep psychological problems within societies, as well as the structural problems within the world that continue to feed on the exploitation of people in countries such as Bangladesh. Go read some of those that I’ve given you, and I could give you more, because I read a lot.

          • WTF

            “He doesn’t care about the colonial legacies that destroyed societies”. Neither does Islam care about the societies it destroyed or the legacies its destroying right now in the middle east.

          • Trofim

            Ah, you’re another of them people with a degree in It’s All The White Man’s Fault Studies. Colonial legacies? It’s 2015 old cock, not 1955. What’s stopping Muslims getting over it for the past 50-60 years?
            And besides, I have been informed by God, that I, Trofim, am the final prophet. He sent down the archangel Jibril to see me yesterday. And if you dispute that, then give me evidence that’s it’s not true.

          • patrickirish

            The so called golden age of Islam was no more than their utilisation of the technology and intelligence of conquered societies, especially the Hindu. Such a failure as the world has never seen. It is a shame that you are unable to see that the truly intelligent are those who can simplify. You seem unable to do that.

          • Germainecousin

            You sound like someone suffering from a severe case of indoctrination. The flight at the moment is entirely from islamic countries into Christian ones. What is the draw? Why are muslims so lousy at creating viable states? They always import Western skill. Muslims are getting a bad press because they deserve it. Get over it.

          • Niqabi Girl

            What is your level of education? I think it’s good to know so that I know how much I need to dumb down my responses.

          • nicnac

            Don’t dumb down your response. Just don’t think you can use convoluted and dishonest language to conjure up things that aren’t really there.

          • Niqabi Girl

            I get caught up in the language that is relevant in my field. If there’s anything that needs clarification bring it up and I will be more than glad to discuss it as well as provide reference from where it stems up. The language is convoluted because it’s from a specific field of study, so I technically need to “dumb” it down so it’s understood by those who are not in this field. I would not be able to understand genetics if a geneticists spoke about genes as though they speak to a colleague. 😛

          • nicnac

            Whatever your field is I’m sure you’re aware of Occam’s Razor. If not, it’s a principle you should acquaint yourself with and put to use.

          • Niqabi Girl

            Enlighten me. 🙂

          • nicnac

            It’s easy to look up, you’ll find it on Google. Basically it asks that you keep hypothetical realities to a minimum, the simplest explanation is always best.

          • Niqabi Girl

            I do not take a reductionist approach to examining complex issues.
            Nothing is simple. :/ Maybe that’s why I haven’t heard of it, a simple approach is found in elementary notebooks, middle school and high school year books. Not seeing the many connections an issue has is what leads us to problems; such as pinpointing where the financial crisis came from; and perhaps realizing that the problem we’ve started to politicize in immigration policies is because of the economic situation in European and North American countries; do we want to compete for jobs in this economy with those whom we’ve managed to paint as inferior?

          • nicnac

            Nothing wrong with seeing connections, as long as it’s done honestly and doesn’t involve wishful thinking and preconceived ideas and the vanity of complexity for complexity’s sake.

          • WTF

            An analytical approach is the use of an appropriate process to break a problem down into the smaller pieces necessary to solve it. Each piece becomes a smaller and easier problem to solve. That is why reductionist approaches work but yours doesn’t and it doesn’t teach you what to think, it teaches you how to think.

            Libtards mistakenly believe they know what to think and end up trying to back their mistaken view of the world. Thats why your approach and you fail whilst others succeed. The NASA space program wouldn’t have succeeded using your approach, computer operating systems can be written without breaking them down and neither will the current issues facing the world without breaking them into smaller pieces. Its dumb, stupid and arrogant to believe you can solve complex problems without breaking them down.

          • WTF

            Whats up, too lazy to google yourself or afraid of what it might say about you.

            Obfuscation and muddying the water are the obvious trade marks of those unable to support their views using simple substantiated facts. You’ve already shown your colors here cherry picking facts out of context and denigrating others. By trying to elevate your ‘academic skills” beyond your low level of common sense your just like that liberal snob Simon Schama who on QT attacked Rod Liddle using emotive argument rather than factual content.

          • Trofim

            Youre’ unaware of a basic notion like Occam’s Razor? You’re going to tell me you don’t know what a syllogism is next.

          • Cyril Sneer

            You’re thick as fooook.

          • WTF

            Even centuries ago any significant progress in human evolution came from enslaved ethnic groups under Islam and not from Muslims themselves as they were too busy trying to enslave other races. Hence the sparsity of Nobel prizes from Muslims in Islamic countries.

          • Harryagain

            So why don’t you B Off to a Muslim country?
            Hah, we all know the reason.
            You can posture over here without the inconvenience and subjugation you would experience in say Pakistan.
            You wouldn’t even be allowed to spout such drivel if you lived in Pakistan.
            A sad attention seeking person with no skills or talent,cutting and pasting this crap on here to wind people up.

          • Sean L

            You nailed it mate.

          • Sean L

            Because it originated in Arabia and spread by war and conquest outward across Africa and Asia and southern Europe. Arabic/Islamic is the most successful form of imperialism in world history. Principally because it ‘has’ or *is* its own religion. Thus the conquered become fully assimilated, ‘forgetting’ their subjugation. Whereas the religion of the Europeans is itself a Middle Eastern import, being no more native to Europe than Islam is to Africa or India. The Europeans have no native religion, that’s to say none that could resist Middle Eastern monotheism. And if it weren’t for some decisive battles in 8th century France, the chances are that the UK would be Islamic today rather than Christian, the one being no less foreign to it than the other; though their Christianity was adopted voluntarily as it were, not at the sword as with their Muslim counterparts in North Africa.

          • Vera

            Dude??????????? For God’s sake grow up. No reason why you shouldn’t move East if you prefer their culture. Not all Eastern countries are in conflict.

          • Cogra Bro

            People move to the West because we have screwed up their societies? They move to the West because the West is light years ahead of theirs mainly because of its Christian Civilisation.

            Islam has made no advances to speak of in Seven centuries. Centuries in which it made unremitting assaults on the West.

            In the last 1.5 centuries,Islam had been held at bay only because as Churchill put it, it has been sheltered in the arms of its Science.

            The West had been betrayed by an essentially Marxist political class.

      • Niqabi Girl

        Keep religion private? I don’t think this is what the United Kingdom and other countries did when they annexed religions in Africa, or ingrained scientific racism into African tribes and destroyed whole societies. Since the 1980s Saudi has been exporting Wahabbism? Amazing that the so-called exporters of Wahabbism are in deeper bed with the U.S and the United Kingdom. Could it be because they allow these countries to touch Saudi oil? The hijab and the Niqab are exactly for the public sphere in order to protect the private sphere. It would be nonsensical to keep it in the private since it is meant to protect women in the public. To protect women from how overly sexualized women have been rendered. You don’t think that U.S and allied intervention in the Middle East has resulted in resistance from people? I wonder how many people have more than an undergraduate degree in their head. Surely, the comments made do not appear to include more knowledge than a first year university student.

        • WTF

          History didn’t start in the 20th century (thats a clue by the way) as many Muslims love to believe in their cherry picking of history but Islam was and still is the foremost colonial power that has used religious inspired force to take over other countries. From its conception by a war mongering pedophile who started off with genocidal activities (Medina vs Mecca) and whose followers have run rampant across the globe like locusts ever since, Islam has always been the aggressor who kicks off a war first and the west with Christianity has had to react to its aggression. The christian crusades were a belated reaction once our patience had been exhausted by the Islamic jihadists running amok and enslaving people.

          In fact, Islams colonization happened on the Indian continent by force, it happened in Africa, in fact it spread outwards from Saudi Arabia in an attempt to enslave the world and is still doing it.

          Just read your own post, ” the United Kingdom and other countries annexed religions in Africa”, pardon ? Are you suggestion we borrowed their religions whatever they were, I hardly think so. Sure we had peaceful missionaries rather than military forces led by some Islamic nut job but religion was NEVER a part of western colonization, that is reserved for Islam.

          • Suleiman

            This is an excellent comment. Thank you.

          • patrickirish

            Yes, it is. Slavers who sold their produce into the slave trade were Muslim, and were also the last to formally (but still do it in practice) abandon slavery.

        • Cyril Sneer

          Oh the nasty Europeans again and yet here you are enjoying life in the western world due to the sacrifices and hard work of your much hated European white man.

          If only you muzzies could build a stable society that people all over would flock to… no instead your societies suck ass, riddled with conflict and backwards stoneage thinking.

    • cartimandua

      Even the hijab makes women ill let alone any covering of arms legs and face. The lack of vitamin D cannot be made up for with supplements. 90% of vitamin D is sunlight on the skin.
      Deficiency results in Diabetes (Asians in the UK have 6xs the risk) heart disease, cancers, bone problems, depression obesity etc etc.
      In children of the “covered” we find rickets and schizophrenia. In some studies higher rates of autism too.
      women are deficient in vitamin D even in Saudi and Kuwait.
      So is it that you were never taught any science? Or is it that self harm was bred into you from the get go.
      I resent your self harming behaviour which my family will pay for. We are very much net contributors.
      Life expectancy before western science was very short indeed. Muslim culture is high birth rate and high death rate.
      It never “worked” and it never could.
      It keeps the birth rate high, the median age too low to be governable and women out of the workforce.
      We even see that here in micro.
      So pretty much everything you wrote is utter cobblers.

      • Niqabi Girl

        Women work. Also, women aren’t covered 24/7. Please don’t be ignorant. In the Gulf countries for example, the way that houses are designed allow women to walk with normal clothes in order to get vitamin D. which you only need to absorb for a specific period. You do not need to be absorbing sunlight for more than a few minutes a Day. Covered women TAN too, lol. We have sun roofs and places for tanning. You guys think that we’re entirely covered. Have you ever been in the gulf? Have you ever traveled outside of your little community?

        • patrickirish

          I don’t think anyone cares what women wear in the gulf, but many of us prefer that you leave your barbaric customs there.

        • Harryagain

          Bollix.
          In the Middle East, white is considered beautiful.
          “Fashionista” women walk in the shade. They carry a magazine to shade their faces when they cross a road.
          They have cosmetics that make their skin whiter.

        • MathMan

          I lived in the Middles east for 25 years (Saudi, Bahrain, Oman Yemen). In every village the women are dressed like ‘Guinness bottles’, full black gear head-to-foot. Been there, seen it, got the T-shirt.

    • Harryagain

      People don’t like muslims because they plant bombs and go around murdering people.
      As is set out in their cult book the Koran (which is far worse then Mein Kampf).
      They all follow the same book; They are all evil.
      The evil is preached in every mosque throughout the world.

    • Sean L

      The Arabs were conquering and slaving their way across North and East Africa when the North Europeans were still in mud huts. The Arabs were trading slaves long before Europeans, slaving Europeans even. Where exactly are these “true Islamic states” that provide welfare other than in your fevered brainwashed imagination? And why do Muslims fleeing Islamic states seek refuge in the Western world rather than in true Islamic states?

    • bramhall

      The culture of Islam obliterated the cultures of Persia, the Middle East, North Africa, a large part of India, Byzantium (what is now Turkey), the Balkans, ruined Greece for centuries until the late nineteenth century, and attempted to take over Spain, part of France, Hungary and Austria (until stopped by Charles Martel, at Poitiers, and at the battles of Lepanto and the Gates of Vienna).
      All of these countries were converted to Islam by the sword and the Islamic world you mention is only Islamic by violent conquest
      I suggest you reflect on all of that and what damage the soldiers of Islam did to a large part of the world.

      • Cogra Bro

        You forgot about the Islamic invasions of the Indian sub continent, such it had been calculated refused the populations by 80 millions.

        One Muslim ruler made it a point to murder 100,000 ‘polytheists’ ( Hindus) a year.

    • Cyril Sneer

      Ah the Muslim tries to claim IS are not Islamic.

      Sweetheart – they’re Islamic all right whether you like them or not.

      This is your religion in all its murderous glory.

  • MacGuffin

    ”A gay here, a foreigner there, a BME Brit and of course Nadiya. As the TV columnist Ally Ross put it, the BBC must have been dancing a multicultural jig of joy.”

    Bizarre slip. What have gay people got to do with the immigration issue? You do realise they are not imported, don’t you Rod?

    • Arara

      ‘And then there was the winner — plucked from a group of typically ‘diverse’ human beings which the BBC presumably thinks is representative of modern Britain. Or perhaps wishes was.’

      • Vera

        Any pamphlet produced by a local authority in London, presumably also elsewhere, has photos of more minority groups than you can shake a stick at – leaving no room for white normal people without children, unless you’re a pensioner. A good few years ago a single white heterosexual middle class friend of ours was complaining it was impossible to get a swim at the local pool because of the many various sessions aimed solely at a single minority group, plus the women only sessions.

    • cartimandua

      He was Indian.

      • MacGuffin

        So what? He may very well also have been left-handed. His gayness or his left-handedness have nothing to do with immigration, so it is curious that Liddle mentioned it.

        • cartimandua

          Yes you are right.

          • patrickirish

            I think Rod Liddle used too many big words.

      • Vera

        Ah better, ticks two boxes.

  • TheJustCity

    It would certainly been an indicator of ‘look how far we’ve come’, if on victory, the winner had cast off her sacking in an act of triumph, brave defiance and self-affirmation – as the ‘Afghan Star’ talent show contester did those ten or so years ago (which she must later have regretted).

    No, the abiding perspective is ‘look how little distance we’ve made’. Nadiya, for all her claims of feeling ‘alpha-woman’ is, by the cultural statutes of her coreligionists, very much a beta personage. Her husband’s show of the quiet and unassuming partner-in-equality, is a bigger confection than all the sugar and flour creations in the GBBO. It bears considering, it is only by dint of hIs condescending to grant limited permissions that she is there at all. I suppose he will be counted as a ‘moderate’.

    • Ralph

      People are allowed to wear anything they like I would just prefer that those who are Muslim would at least check to see if their faith required them to wear anything before doing so.

      • cartimandua

        Well no we don’t let people wear Nazi or KKK uniforms. “Covering” is the Muslim KKK hood.

        • Ralph

          If someone wants to dress like that let them though please make sure to tell me so I can go and laugh at them.

          • Peter Crawford

            I often dress in the full ceremonial uniform of an SS Oberstgruppenfuhrer, Ralph. You can see me strutting up and down the Holyhead breakwater most evenings. The point is: I may be a stupid cunt but it is my right to be a stupid cunt in a supposedly free country.
            Some may say that I am resentful of Nadiya Hussain winning a TV baking contest. Untrue. Though, to the untrained eye, the white bloke was better.

          • cartimandua

            Your SS costume would be seen as an historic costume a bad taste bit of fun ,although in a square in the Ukraine perhaps not too funny.
            Covering gives intellectual support for cultures countries and regimes where women are living lives of the damned and the hijabis here are saying
            “let them eat cake”.
            There is no morality in any woman who can know about rapes, slavery, FGM, and the abuse of children by Islamist gangs and wears the uniform anyway.

          • Mary Ann

            I get cheesed off with those who blame Islam for FGM, look it up, it was being done in the days of the Pharaohs, and I hate to point it out by rape happens in all societies , it is men exerting power over women and how many Christian slaverers were there a couple of hundred years ago.

          • Cogra Bro

            Life was very hard for most people until quite recently, and still is for a majority of the world’s population. Getting a living was mostly demandingly physical.

            That being the case the division of labour between men as breadwinner and women as homemaker was natural.

            Modern science and technology has changed all that. The problem is that some societies are still mired in pre- modern attitudes.

            Islam is one of them.

          • rubyduck

            In fairness, Peter, the white bloke made mistakes.

            I do wonder, though, whether he ever stood a chance of winning.

        • raj

          You must be a member of the kkk

          • nicnac

            Pathetic.

          • cartimandua

            They burned a cross on the grounds of the college I went to because we had black women there on full scholarships.
            So no I am not a member of the KKK . I am a life long feminist and no it is not OK to wear a slave badge on your head.
            It betrays every abused woman harmed by gender apartheid and that is not historic it is current.

          • raj

            A militant feminist okay all men are evil yes?
            Yes it is okay to wear a hijab on the head why not take your “feminism” and represent women who ascribe to your “you are not free until you do what I say” malarkey.

            It is not gender apartheid it is a womens right to be modest rather than getting all kinds of surgery or be judged for what they look like or be used for quickies and dumped because the other “hottie” has a bigger behind or bigger chests.

            Don’t pretend you present or even care about Muslim women your only concern is just like a fascist force your way down down “foreigners” throats.

            Stop bullying people just because they don’t conform to your standards.

          • cartimandua

            It is NOT OK

          • raj

            Yeah yeah what ever Miss “women’s rights” you are just bully trying to force Muslims to accept your pitiful ideology.

            Modesty means to cover up and be presentable it does not mean being a “sexual object” it is something for God not some uppity person like you to decide what Muslims should and should not do.

            Yes a woman is not a walking vagina so go and tell your western buddies to stop trying to possess women.

            I don’t know a single Muslim woman who has been forced to do anything majority of sisters I know covered up by their own choice so your hypocritical crap doesn’t slide through.

            The only thing disgusting is your pathetic attempt to speak for Muslim women you don’t

          • cartimandua

            I am not attempting to “speak” for anyone. Muslim culture is failed state culture. It is herding and agrarian. It produces conflict hunger and mass migrations. Western culture is superior.
            Modesty is an abstract concept. It is NOT a piece of cloth on ones head. And frankly the Muslim sexual obsession (caring about modesty) is what stops them making thinking and doing.
            Brain above the waist and Muslims might get something done.

          • raj

            Yes you are the way you pompously pretend that somehow Muslim women are being “forced” to wear Hijab ignoring what real Muslim women actually think and feel.

            Muslim culture is not failing and shows your lack of actual understanding stop bombing Muslim countries then pretending they failed.
            It is neither herding nor agarian but western culture is where there is lack of morals and lack of respect people are forced into doing whatever you femininazi want.

            Just by claiming western culture is “superior” you expose yourself as a racist bigoted person there is nothing “superior” about western culture.

            Modesty is not what you pretend it is and you seem obsessed with this “piece of cloth” to the point of losing all your senses.

            Brains are in place things are being done why not stop bombing people

          • raj

            Women who get “boob jobs” don’t have a choice like you pretend they are peer pressured into doing it incredibly beautiful women who are left to feel so low they do it to feel accepted into “society”

          • cartimandua

            western women can choose their education, job, and life partner,
            They can even choose not to have children or be gay if they are.
            Until you can demonstrate that Muslim women have all those choices “covering” is toxic.

          • Cyril Sneer

            What a truly pathetic comment.

            We can tell you’re a muslim by the amount of sh t that comes out of your mouth you filthy muzzie.

          • raj

            You have more rubbish coming out of your mouth right wing thug

        • Storbritannien_Dansker

          What about Jewish women that wear wigs? They do this to cover their hair out of respect. There were also many Roman Catholic women that cover their hair when they enter their Abbey, Church, or Cathedral. Do these promote such hatred? After all we had over 30 years of the Troubles.

          If you are so assured by racist, sexist, homophobic, classist, and fear-based religious bias and prejudice go for it. This is a fucking mind-numbing reality programme!

          • Suleiman

            Of course it is also an outrage that extremely religious Jewish women cut their own hair upon marriage and put a wig instead. These religious Jewish women are also used as child-bearing machines. However, their status may be low within their group of fanatics, but it does not involve anything like the physical violence towards women which you have in Islam. And of course under the law of the state, in Israel or Britain, they are equal citizens which gives them some security and safety as against their males.

            Most people who are against the physical and religious oppression of women would like to outlaw this custom of women cutting or shaving off their own natural hair, just as we would like to outlaw circumcision, religious slaughter of animals, religious schools, school prayers and religious propaganda in schools, bishops sitting in House of Lords, etc. But to refuse to admit that Muslim women are under much more of a physical threat, or that their oppression and subjugation is much much harsher – such a denial will be factually wrong and it will not be doing any favours to Muslim women.

          • Mary Ann

            It amuses me that women are expected to cover their heads and men are expected to take their hats off.

      • Suleiman

        “People are allowed to wear anything they like” – not in Muslim countries.

        Usually, not Muslim women anywhere in the world : ‘honour killings’ are practiced very much also in the West, and police forces do not have the time and menpower to investigate most suspicious deaths.

        • Mary Ann

          Come off it.

          • Suleiman

            What, “come off” the truth ? – for the sake of Political Correctness ? – No way !

          • Mary Ann

            Police don’t have the time to investigate suspicious deaths. How insulting can you get.

          • Suleiman

            Insulting to whom ?

  • Derek Custance

    MacGuffin. Rod is merely pointing out the BBC PC approach to minority groups which includes Muslims, gays, disabled etc. A separate issue to immigration per se. Trust that is simple enough for you ??

    • Mary Ann

      Did you watch the program, I did, she was the best baker, that’s why she won.

  • Ms McG

    It is a tragedy that a woman with a religious head covering which represents the subjugation of women won such a public competition on British television. It is an insult to all other women.
    Muslim women must be raised from an early age to be so lacking in confidence that they allow their male dominated religion to dictate that they need to cover their body almost completely. They do it to prevent men from becoming sexually aroused apparently, how despicable that the men have no self control. You can be certain that if men were required to cover themselves instead the “movement” wouldn’t have lasted 5 minutes.
    I will be anti every single religion until someone can show me that on balance more good than bad has come of it. Showing a personable young Muslim woman, and her husband who obviously gave permission for her to do it in the first place, on prime time TV is typical of the BBC and it’s shameful attempts at social engineering. This is just one of the many reasons the BBC should be consigned to the history books.

    • raj

      Maybe stop making asdumptions aboit muslim women as men need wimens permission.

      A headscarf does not make her enslaved but free from having to get involved in the billion dollar make up and plastic surgery industry.

      Why not care about “womens rights” by demanding women stop being idolized for their bodies you hypocrite

      • Suleiman

        No one needs to make assumptions about Muslim women : we know the facts. They are being murdered / executed for the smallest ‘transgression’ (that is, transgression in the eyes of the male, of course).

        • raj

          You don’t know the “facts mr “Suleiman” you making garbage up and the “killings” usually take place in poor countries which is interesting since the same thing happens in non Muslim countries as well.

      • Trofim

        Yes folks, you can’t be free from getting involved in the billion dollar make up and plastic surgery industry unless you wear a piece of cloth on your head. Honest. In other words, every woman who doesn’t wear a piece of cloth on her head is involved in the billion dollar make up and plastic surgery industry. Got it?

        • raj

          Your sarcasm is so dry its not even funny.

          A piece of cloth is the start

      • cartimandua

        Hijabis often wear tons of make up and in the Gulf states fill their useless lives by shopping so the idea that covering is free is absurd.
        Until Muslim women can refuse marriage, or children, or to be gay if they are. Until they can choose their education or work without “asking permission” covering isn’t a real choice.
        It may be the only choice a woman can make, but its which slave bangle today. Its still a slave bangle.

        • raj

          Your “choices” is pathetic
          My sister refused marriage she was told she was getting old she didn’t want to get married until after her degree my parents conceded it was her choice.

          Being “gay” so whats next you cannot truly free until you can become a household item?

          Don’t come at me with your nonsense since you have no idea you make assumptions and pretend that your assumptions is right. Trying to force your ideas of freedom down peoples throats is not “freedom” either pal.
          MANY women work even in the Muslim world nor do they “ask permission” family comes first so they prioritize.

          MOST women fill their “useless lives” with shopping so one more nonsense from you

          Sorry about my previous typos using a phones to type comments is not a good idea.

          • cartimandua

            Your parents “conceded” ???? It is normal here in the West for women to make all the normal life choices.
            Parents don’t have to “concede”.
            Until Muslim women can choose what education, job, partner or none, children or none the hijab is a slave bangle.
            It says this woman has a path in life others have chosen for her.

    • Niqabi Girl

      Wow Ms. McG. Covering is not the subjugation of women; to the same respect that showing yourself (as you in your picture) is not the subjugation of women, but rather a choice to either conform or not conform. You choose to conform to the idea that a woman is respected if she shows herself in public, while Muslim women choose to conform to the idea that women are respected if she decides not to show herself in public. Your sense is really nonsensical if you equate covering up with the subjugation of women. I wonder why women who have a higher paycheck, and higher class status choose to cover themselves as oppose to women who sell their bodies (again with a hint of sarcasm, as I do not assume at all that women who choose to show their bodies are selling their bodies, but let’s apply the same sarcasm you decided to apply)? Let’s take your assumption and place the covering on the Queen Elizabeth, I am sure her choice of dress is because she was forced to cover up. Right? Why is it that women are beating up on women, rather than fighting for their own right to choose and decide how they want to live the rest of their lives. I am more appalled, that it is women who verbally abuse me on the streets because I decide out of my own free will to wear the Niqab, as opposed to men.

      We say that we are promoters of freedom that respect religious choices, but when these become problematic to understand we demean the “other”?

      • MacGuffin

        Interesting comment regarding choice, and a nice response to an OTT reaction to the niqab.

        However, where do you stand on the burka? Is it just another item of clothing, in your view, or is it an obliteration of a person?

        • Niqabi Girl

          The Burka is more complicated. In Afghani society, the Burka emerged as a response to the subsequent invasions of Afghanistan from the UK, the Soviet Union and the United States. It was an attempt to protect women who were often caught in the fire of soldiers who had been far away from their spouses. I have several friends from Afghanistan, their families recall that before these subsequent invasions the Burka was non-existent in Afghanistan because it didn’t serve a purpose. It was slid into the sphere of maintaining cultural protection from invasive forces, and unfortunately it’s gained a very bad repertoire due to the increased instances of violence that stem from the region. However, put yourself in the position of people from Afghanistan, where you are constantly being invaded, trying to hold your culture and society in place within a very weak state that does not seem to offer protection to those who are most vulnerable at the moment of invasion. The Burka’s purpose was to try and mitigate the ramifications of cultural eradication and physical invasion. In a context where Afghanistan did not face these invasions, the Burka would have not emerged as a tool of resistance. I don’t think women actually use the Burka (as it is used in Afghanistan) outside of that context. Many countries have utilized the raping of women as tools of colonial invasion, and as such within this context of a decayed state structure, the Burka was required as means to mitigate these problems.

          So, in my view and examining the context of the Burka, it’s not an obliteration of a person, but rather an attempt to prevent the obliteration of a society in the brink of war.

          • Suleiman

            More legends of Niqabi Girl’s factory for legends. The only people who were busy raping women were Afghani men, not any foreigners (I consider Pakistanis to be like Afghanis).

          • Mary Ann

            That’s another sweeping generalisation, I don’t believe that not a single foreigner didn’t commit rape.

          • Suleiman

            I don’t know, may be a few did – but certainly not to a level that would need change in attitudes. The problem in the Islamic world is rape by Muslim men. To deny this is to deny the truth. It is even in the West. Why does the British Police refuse to publish their hidden statistics about the ethnic origins of men convicted of rape ? – to cover-up this truth in the name of Political Correctness.

            Now there are lots of complaints about the Israeli army. But raping Arab women is not one of them. Even the Israeli population at large : men commit rapes just like men in any European country, but they don’t rape Muslim women. By extrapolation I would say that rape by foreigners in Afghanistan could have not been more than a minute issue, not worth mentioning unless being used as a false excuse.

          • cartimandua

            The burka was imposed by the Taliban. Like ISIL they wanted to cover up the women missing at population level. Afghanistan was missing millions of women because of child marriage high birth rates and abuses of every kind.
            ISIL are doing the same. They want their fighters to imagine there are potential wives where there are none.

          • Suleiman

            I have always been anti-Soviet and anti-Communist. But I fully supported the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan as an attempt to bring enlightenment to this dark, vicious, barbaric country : whatever other strategic reasons for the Soviet intervention, the fact that they went for atheism and women’s rights was more important. The Russians have been the one great hope of Afghan women. No wonder Afghan males rose to try to throw the Russians out : they can never accept equal rights for women, it is simply not in their Islam.

            It was the most stupid American President ever, Carter, who came on the side of the murderous males and condemned Afghan women to – probably – centuries more of subjugation (the American intervention after 9/11 in Afghanistan was rather half-hearted about women’s rights : a lot of words, but no wish to annoy the males).

          • Mary Ann

            I agree, one of the worse things for the women of Afghanistan was the driving out of the Russians.

          • Mary Ann

            But what about the Taliban banning the education of girls, so no female doctors and women are not allowed to be examined by male doctors. Very dangerous for women.

        • omgamuslim

          Is it not the idea behind every religion – to obliterate the person?

      • Suleiman

        Niqabi Girl, you talk nonsense. If the niqab is not a matter of the subjugation of women, why is it that in every single Islamic state any woman who would advocate that women dress like a European woman will immediately be murdered or executed ?
        And why is it that all women who wear a niqab ‘out of their own free will’ are completely subjugated by men in all other ways ? – Can you go in the street embracing a boyfriend, can you kiss in public ? can you commit adultery if you so wish ? can you insult your husband if you so wish (in public or privately) ? in some countries you are not allowed to go out at all unless accompanied by a male, in many Islamic countries if a woman is raped she will be killed by her family because a woman being raped brings dishonour to the family (even if the rapist is her own father or brother and she becomes pregnant), and so on and so on. For the slightest ‘transgression’ (in the eyes of the male) a Muslim woman will be murdered / executed. Don’t tell us your legends about free choice. Ban the niqab, ban the burqa : as a starter.

        • Niqabi Girl

          Wow, really you haven’t been to Egypt? To most of the MENA region? I spend my summer months overseas and I do not see a problem where women are executed and murdered immediately. You talk incredible nonsense.

          Why would I go and embrace a boyfriend? Kiss in public? Muslim women who follow the faith are not supposed to have boyfriends and NEITHER are Muslim men are supposed to have girlfriends. We don’t kiss our spouses in public because that is private! Why would I commit adultery? and I can definitely insult my husband, but why would any woman want to demean her husband in the public sphere? Just like why would any man want to insult his wife in the public sphere? That’s just lack of manners. You generalize about things that are not “NATIVE” to the Muslim community, these things happen everywhere. Prostitution happens in the West and is accompanied by ill treatment of women; does that mean all men from “West” are bad? OR that women are subjugated? No, it means there’s something wrong with those that engage in these practices, but don’t paint an entire faith or religion with the same brush. Women are ALSO raped in Non-Muslim communities, women are ALSO killed in Non-Muslim community. Violence towards women is not something that is inherently found in Muslim communities, it is unfortunately found everywhere.

          I think you need to study before you make these dumb accusations.

          • Suleiman

            Ha ha ha. You talk about Egypt ?! – you must be joking. What about the systematic rape of women in Tahrir Square, especially of those dressed more like westerners (including rape of western women) but actually it was potential rape of any woman who dared go to demonstrate. Just don’t tell me the legend that it was all Mubarak men raping ! These were average Egyptians raping.

            What about the systematic kidnapping, raping, forced marriage and forced conversion of Copt girls by salafis and their allies ?

            What about FGM in Egypt ? Have you not heard of it ?

            You wrote so much nonsense, I suggest that you should become the first niqab-wearing MP for the Conservative Party (or Labour, or L.-D., or Green Party) : by the quality of nonsense you are suitable to our Establishment. What next you are going to say ? – that when in most Muslim countries if a girl refuses to her father’s choice of a husband for her, you would say that ‘in our culture girls do not want to refuse their father’s choice of a husband for them’ (like his 60-years-old cousin who pays him some money for his 16-years-old daughter ?)

            All the things that you say that ‘women do not want to do that in our culture’ : that’s pathetic. You allow yourself to decide for them, you are the ‘Big Brother’ who knows what they want and what’s good for them and how they should behave. If it was so consensual, why are so many women being massacred in Islamic countries ‘for the honour of the family’ ?

          • Mary Ann

            FGM is not Islamic, it is Pharaonic.

          • Suleiman

            I am looking to see this Pharaonic nation around me – but I can’t find it. What I do see – plenty of Islamic countries in which they practice FGM.

          • Cogra Bro

            FMG is regarded as not a ruling of Islam but pleasing to Allah all the same.

          • cartimandua

            You are talking rubbish. Egypt is famous for street abuse of women “even covered women”.

            http://www.un.org/womenwatch/daw/egm/vaw-gp-2005/docs/experts/khafagy.honorcrimes.pdf

            “The legal system in Egypt is contradictory in that it guarantees women’s rights in the

            public arena, restricting them in the private sphere. The personal status law for

            example, permits not only male polygamy, but the right of the husband to divorce his

            wife for no good reason and the expulsion of a divorced woman from the marital

            residence if she has no children or her children are beyond custody age. It also

            requires the wife’s obedience if she needs the husband to spend on her. Family law

            prioritizes the reproductive role of woman, assuming that men alone are responsible

            for providing for the family. It places the protection of the family unit above

            individual rights within the family, giving men privileges to go with the role of sole

            provider. Likewise women are not treated as individuals, but rather as wives, mothers

            and daughters expected to obey the patriarch; and the control of the sexuality of girls

            and women is observed and monitored by male members of the family.”

          • Harryagain

            Yes I’ve been to Egypt.
            Years ago most women were dressed in the Western style.
            Nowadays they are dressed like mobile bin bags.
            If they don’t, they are beaten up in the streets.
            The land of rapists and thugs these days.
            Benefits of Islam you see.
            Getting worse, not better.

          • Mary Ann

            Prostitution also happens in Muslim countries. Apart from that I agree with you, thanks to the press we have a very twisted view of an average Muslim.

          • Cogra Bro

            I understand the Shia Islam anyway, there is a such a thing as one – day marriages which is prostitution by another name.

        • Mary Ann

          Every Islamic state? bit if an exaggeration.

          • Suleiman

            Only a little bit of an exaggeration, and no doubt on the way to becoming no exaggeration at all, as even those very few Islamic countries are going backward into Shari’a Law or are near to it.

        • omgamuslim

          ” … if a woman is raped she will be killed by her family because a woman being raped brings dishonour to the family ..”
          Such views are quite common in Indians, whatever their religion.

          • Mary Ann

            So culture rather than religion, bit unfair on the women, it is men who commit the crime.

          • omgamuslim

            Yes, though sometime, improbable as it may seem, women do take the lead. The concept is not without its counterparts in other parts of the world. Shotgun weddings (which tended to work against the male) and crimes passionnel are in the same mould. I believe the defence of crime passionnel can still be offered in Europe.
            I know of one recent case in Kolkata, India. A Hindu woman got married to a Muslim and the bride’s family killed the man. So it may not always be the woman who gets it.

      • Trofim

        You have to remember that a Muslim man gets aroused at the mere sight of a woman’s hair – even when it’s only on her head!

        • Mary Ann

          And of course women are responsible for men’s sexuality, why?

      • cartimandua

        Of course it is subjugation and it destroys countries . Women have a DUTY to be fully present in public space as potent individuals and I mean hair too its part of identity.
        We dress for the climate and apart of that get over the narcissistic self obsession of worrying about how we look in
        adolescence. Mature women with higher IQs just get over it.
        Its not all about you. Your freedom to believe as you choose came from centuries of learning to make religion and sect a private matter.
        You betray that and put freedom of belief and the civil peace at risk with your look at me religiosity.
        True modesty would not call attention to itself.

    • Mary Ann

      So you think the BBC should have discriminated against her on the grounds of her religion, incidentally I am anti religion as well. A lot of people get consolation from belief in a heaven when a loved one dies, and a lot of people use their religion as a shoulder to lean on.

      • Cyril Sneer

        Do you reckon should would’ve been on the show if she was in a Burkha? And would she have won?

        • Mary Ann

          I don’t know whether she would have been on the show if she were wearing a burkha obviously, would she have won? well if it didn’t get in the way then probably, she was the best one there. I feel really sorry for her, People saying she only won because she is a Muslim all this vitriol because of the way she dresses, she doesn’t deserve all this hatred, BTW why is dressing in low cut tops and flashing your breasts any more liberated, it’s still being done to please men. None of us know if she dresses like that because she wants to or because her husband wants her to, and another BTW, does your wife ever where certain clothes because you like them, bet she chooses your clothes as well.

    • omgamuslim

      Islam kept the Jewry alive. (David J Wasserstein, Vanderbilt U).
      Was that good or was that bad?

  • Suleiman

    While I do not pretend to have done or read any statistical work on the subject, I believe that the greatest genocide in history has been (still going on) that done by Muslim men on women : how many millions Muslim women have been murdered for all those reasons by Muslim men : ‘honour’ of the family, FGM, refusing to marry the husband chosen by their father or brother, talking to some man in the street, wishing to go to school or college or to acquire a profession, uttering ideas about the need to improve the status of women, atheism, wishing to divorce a husband, refusing to follow orders given to a woman by her husband or in-laws, rape, being a lesbian, and plenty more reasons for a Muslim male to murder a woman.

    There has been recently a programme (or news report) on Channel 4 about Syrian refugees in Lebanon. One woman was brave enough to say, that Syrian men are – usually – violent thugs whose endemic culture is to beat their wives, daughters, sisters so hard and continuously, until they lose all personality and out of fear of more beating they just live their life according to the wishes of the male.

    • cartimandua

      We do have the numbers. Look at the bare branches work.

      China and India are up there but certainly so are the Muslim countries. Women are missing at a population level.

      They even are here too amongst certain ethnic groups which is another reason for not allowing spouses to be brought in.
      From the astute blogger.

      “Of the thirty (30) nations on the list (being the thirty with the greatest IMBALANCE, with far more men than women – and far more than might be expected if there were no intervention – 20 of them are predominantly Muslim (or with a very large Muslim segment of the population).

      The most imbalanced is (at #1) the UAE [189 males per 100 females], followed by Qatar, Kuwait, Oman, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia [117 males /100 females], and then non-Muslim Guam, followed by #8 Jordan, followed by non-Arab – but Muslim Brunei, Sri Lanka, Libya, and then non-Muslim Polynesian & Papua, followed by Muslim (but non-Arab) Afghanistan, followed by India (which has a very large Muslim population), and then China [where we KNOW they practice female infanticide – 106 males/100 females], then Muslim Bangladesh, non-Muslim New Caledonia, then Muslim Pakistan, Muslim and European Albania, non-Muslim Nepal, then Cote d’Ivoire (which has a significant Muslim population), and then Taiwan and Costa Rica and Fiji, then Muslim Gaza and Muslim West Bank, Muslim Iran, Muslim Malaysia, and Muslim Yemen [103 males/100 females] .”
      And yes the letter from a doctor in Germany about migrant attitudes and violence and poor health was terrifying.

  • Pechi

    Do Bangladeshi’s bake cakes? Do they wear black niqabs while cooking at home? This was a blatant set up by the BBC and feral Britain fell for it.

    • Mary Ann

      Of course they don’t wear them at home they are with their immediate family, but then the niqabs are not part of Islam either it’s just men trying to control woman’s sexuality using the name of their religion to do so, just as various Christian societies have done in the past.

      • Bonkim

        I thought you were defending Islam and its treating women as second class earlier.

        • Mary Ann

          Treating women as second class happens in all societies, women didn’t get the vote until a hundred years ago in this country and didn’t get equal rights at work until 1977, It’s not Islamic, it’s men using religion to keep women their thumbs. Think of all the trouble women are still having trying to get equal rights within the Christian Church, its not so long ago that women were not allowed to be bishops, it’s still not allowed in the Catholic church.

          • Bonkim

            Yes Mary Ann, and the women involved had to fight for what they got in terms of social equality.

            I have to differ about Women bishops. If the religion does not allow women at headship roles (look up the Bible and the example of Jezbel) right or wrong in today’s terms, that is a religious edict and if you don’t like that – just leave the religion – don’t expect the religion to change its rules.

            The reason Christianity today is no longer a driving force is because man has re-written the rules in his/her own image including same sex relationships, marriage, etc. Whereas Islam still insists on its adherents to stick to its dark-ages rules and if you don’t submit, you are eliminated – the fear of getting your head chopped off is a very potent motivator.

      • Cogra Bro

        I don’t recall any Christian society which demanded that women be draped from head to toe in a tent, sometimes with evenher eyes bring veiled.

        Women were required to wear a head hovering in church and occasionally elsewhere, but then men were required to remove theirs,

    • omgamuslim

      Do Bangladeshis speak English?

  • rubyduck

    Nadiya was charming. She put me in mind of the lovely woman who lived next door to us for 10 years or so, and chose to leave her husband rather than marry her daughters, aged 17 and 15, to men they did not know.

    • cartimandua

      And Lefties still proclaim “all cultures are equal”.

      • Mary Ann

        We do not think that all cultures are equal, although most of the sexism is traditional rather than Islamic, the sort of sexism you are talking about is more right than left.

        • Rabbi E Burns

          Permission to take four wives is islamic. Inequality of witness in court is islamic. “Temporary marriages” is islamic.

          • omgamuslim

            Excerpt from Wiki:

            “As a ()polygynous society(), the Israelites did not have any laws which imposed monogamy on men.”

            “Testimony in Jewish law consists of testimony by eligible witnesses to a Beit Din (court) authorized to render decisions according to halakhah (Jewish law). Eligible witnesses must in almost all cases be free men who are not deaf, mentally or morally unsuitable, or too young for Bar Mitzvah; in particular, women are in most cases not eligible. The principles of testimony in halakhah have been applied to Mishpat Ivri (Hebrew jurisprudence).”

            And of course the testimony of a Jewish person is taken to be far more reliable than that of a Gentile.

          • Thomas

            We get it, you’re all just awful. Now kiss and make up.

          • Mary Ann

            And both religions are of middle eastern origin, so it’s more cultural than religious, and more about the subjugation of women than pleasing God/Allah, as is the sexism still existing in the Christian church.

          • Suleiman

            “Inequality of witness in court is islamic”ץ

            The important phrase “Ishah psulah le-edut” (a woman is disqualified from be a witness) is a Hebrew one. Now 2 points to religious Jews : in recent years they made serious efforts to interpret it liberally so that women will be taken in and allowed to give witness. Still, I do not believe that among the most Charedis of them all (let’s say, Neture Karta or certain Hassidim) the witness of a woman will have same weight as that of a man – if she is even allowed to give witness.

            And there is the need for faster advance on those abominations which I did not mention in the first 16 :
            17. Halitsah (an attempt to force women to marry the brother of their late husband, getting out of this obligation involves a humiliating ceremony).
            18. The laws about “mamzerim” : children who are born to a woman who had sex with another man while still formally married to another man are considered just so “illegitimate” that no one is allowed to marry them or their children forever and a day (do correct me if I am wrong).
            19. The religious law about people who are considered descendants of Aron (=Aaron, brother of Moses) are not allowed to marry a divorced woman.
            20. When will the extremely-religious Jews stop having sex through a hole in a sheet ?

            Islam may be bad, but Judaism is not a custard cake either.

    • Mary Ann

      Good for her.

    • Bonkim

      So not a good Muslim and corrupted living next door to an infidel?

      • Mary Ann

        Arranged marriages happen outside Islam as well.

        • Bonkim

          Yes – they happened/happen in Europe/Britain and sanctioned by the Church until recent decades when outlawed. Well to do classes always made sure their progeny did not mix with rif raf and offered opportunity to marry into their close ranks.

  • Margot5000

    Niqabi Girl frightens the life out of me. As does that hejab on Bake Off.

  • Harryagain

    When you see a black/brown/female/disabled/gay person in competition, you just know who’s going to win. I’m backing the black guy in that fishing competition on TV. Can you imagine the howls of PC/libby/lefty outrage if he was chucked?

    • Mary Ann

      So you think that Nadiya should have been discriminated against for being a Muslim, did you actually watch the programs?

      • Bonkim

        She should have been discriminated against for submitting to the norms of a Patriarchical culture that treats females as slaves – and asking them to cover their heads and faces.

        • Mary Ann

          No Bonkim, she didn’t choose her mum and dad any more than you did. It’s not so long ago that British women promised to obey their husbands when they married, if I remember correctly it didn’t become controversial until the 60s or 70s I remember that I was pleased it wasn’t part of the registrar office wedding service so I didn’t have to rebel. When my father-in-law remarried a few years later his wife promised to obey and so did, surprisingly, my daughter-in-law, but as she is the one who is in charge I suspect she was making some kind of point, my son will do as he is told.

          • cartimandua

            The cloth on her head is not actually a body part. She could take it off and join the modern world.
            Her health would benefit greatly since Muslim women have awful health.

          • Mary Ann

            Her health will be OK in the west, plenty of female doctors.

          • Bonkim

            Yes – Social changes accepted willingly – and as women became more economically independent in recent decades. Economic independence preceded social.

            You will have to wait centuries for Muslims in the West to adapt and change to their new surroundings – and social and physical coercion is a powerful motivator to conform particularly within close-knit minorities where being thrown out is worse than death.

  • Bonkim

    Is the BBC planning an Islamic Come Dancing programme?

    • Mary Ann

      Another on who resents the fact that a Muslim was the best baker, I’m disappointed in you Bonkim.

      • Bonkim

        I have no problem with Muslim bakers – usually men baking Naans.

        Now this Lady could have just taken her head covering off for the programme. This was just a made up programme in bad taste – looked too artificial. Not that I watched it – just bits here and there.

        Seriously what she baked was common junk I will not buy – and not worth programme time. May be she should participate in come dancing – the head gear will fit in as modern British costume. Medieval English women wore head coverings and veils too – so can’t say it is un-British.

        • Mary Ann

          Why on earth should she take her head covering off, what right have you to decide what she should wear? Talk about Chauvinist, you should be a Muslim.

          • Bonkim

            Would you wander about in a bikini in the High street in Jiddah? You are expected to be sensitive to and respect local customs and cultural norms when you are a minority.

          • Mary Ann

            I wouldn’t wander about in a bikini anywhere.

          • Bonkim

            More so in Jiddah where you will be stoned to death.

        • Ya’el Sarah

          I proudly wear a head-covering. It is my dress of choice and I am not muslim. Telling someone to strip items of their clothing borders on sexual harrassment. You wouldn’t tell one of the other contestants to remove their shirt, would you?

          • Bonkim

            Not unless you are a terrorist under your Burkha. Regrettably it is a question of trust and in today’s world not many Jewish or other women hide their heads and faces under cover. Open declaration of one’s religion is tantamount to armies unfurling their flags in battle, invite comments and hostility in a world that is generally secular and where most keep their religion private.

            One other thing you are missing out – if one has a right to openly display ones religious or cultural affiliation, others have their human right to openly detest that religion or cultural display if they think it is backward and not fitting in with their own traditions. Rights and tolerance/intolerance work both ways.

            Regards sexual harassment – try walking in a bikini in Jiddah or some Muslim areas in London.

      • Rabbi E Burns

        I think he has a point in that the BBC sees itself on a mission to educate us morons that muslims are really nice after all and not to be associated with ISIS, Rotherham, Charlie Hebdo, Tunisian beach resorts, etc. Their website and programming frequently have feel-good, personalised stories to counteract the jihad/paedo stuff. And their treatment of Jews and the Jewish state vis-a-vis the religion of peace is downright blood libellous.

        • Suleiman

          That’s all good and true, but one has to admit that the BBC also lets the Charedis, the very religious Jews, escape with all their abominations and backwardness. The BBC will help itself if it made more programmes about the persecution of women and gay people in the Islamic world – but also among the Charedis (though of course the level of persecution and murderousness towards those groups is much higher among Muslim communities, especially in Muslim countries, and this massive difference should always be emphasized). Overall it is time for a Royal Commission to investigate whether the BBC is a corrupt organization.

          • Rabbi E Burns

            What abominations and backwardness do you have in mind?

          • Suleiman

            Make your choice. Not at any particular order. I believe the following :
            1. Putting massive pressure on victims (especially children and their families) of sex abuse by Charedi rabbis or other functionaries not to go to the police, and actually to ‘swallow it’ : usually leaving the perpetrators to continue their job with other children.
            2. Ostracizing those who do complain to the police.
            3. Doing their preferred sport on Saturdays (throwing stones at police and drivers).
            4. Having rubbish schools or at least extremely low quality schools which do not prepare children to be members of a large society but just to believe in God which does not exist and to be ‘schnorers’ (hoping to get money from merciful others).
            5. Doing circumcision.
            6. Not teaching children to think critically. Suppressing critical thinking.
            7. Breaking various laws or regulations with their hidden schools.
            8. Putting social and religious pressure on married women to eliminate their natural hair and to use wigs instead.
            9. Not selecting women to be either rabbis or in leading positions within their community. Making women education especially low quality (still an improvement on the days of ‘Kol ha-melamed bito Torah ke-ilu…’.).
            10. Separating women and men in their synagogues.
            11. Like the so-called ‘Arab refugees’ who never die, in Yeshivot (=religious studies academies on the religious style) the pupils ‘never grow and go out’ because the Israeli Government pays them a subsidy if they live there.
            Making too many children compared to what our planer can take.
            12. Trying through bullying to force separation of men and women in public buses which go to their neighbourhoods (they try to force women to sit at the back of the bus, and men at the front, so that men will not see the women ‘and will not think of sex’.
            13. Trying to force in their neighbourhoods separate pavements for men and women : women to use one pavement, men the others.
            14. Having the primitive attitude that if their son / daughter got married to someone from another faith, they need to sit in mourning about him/her as if he/she has died, and not to have any contact with him/her again.
            15. Not letting a woman be in a room on her own with another man unless he is her father, brother, husband, son.
            16. Not letting a married woman (may be not even an unmarried one, you can teach me) shake hands with men, not to mention not a kiss when meeting.
            I get tired, so I stop.

          • Rabbi E Burns

            Well, that’s a rather jaded and distorted view, for instance the laws/practices concerning modesty obviously and necessarily apply to both sexes. The only possible “abomination” I read there concerns criminal abuse, which is not a Jewish practice and if you know of any claims that are true you should inform the police.

          • Suleiman

            “He would say that, wouldn’t he ?”

          • Mary Ann

            He is right, if you know of cases of child sexual abuse you have a duty to go to the police.

          • Suleiman

            So why did religious Jewish communities have leaders and elders who tell victims and their families not to go to the police, who threaten to ostracize the victims if they do go to the police, and who in fact do ostracize them ? This was in enough newspapers ! Or is our ‘Rabbi’ trying to deny that child sex abuse takes place also among religious Jews ? I do not say that it happens only among them, or that it happens among them more than in any other community. What I complained about is the tendency among very orthodox Jewish communities to try to prevent the victims from reporting to police. I guess the same happens with most religious communities, not only Jewish.

          • Mary Ann

            Any community wants to protect there reputation, especially when they are telling other people how they should live their lives

        • omgamuslim

          For all their faults, did the Muslims not keep the Jewry alive? Are you really a Rabbi? May be you want to read some Jewish history.

          • Rabbi E Burns

            No, that was Hashem (and no, I’m not really a rabbi, the beard and glasses are drawn on)

          • omgamuslim

            You have your answer then. Hashem is the one who unleashed IS.

          • Rabbi E Burns

            Hashem unleashed free will, that’s all.

          • omgamuslim

            Don’t think Hashem will agree with you.
            “The idea that God controls the world, determining the trajectory and details of its history, is strong in Judaism and is one of the theological issues that contributes to the Jewish problem of free will.”

          • Rabbi E Burns

            Did He write that?

          • omgamuslim

            Why don’t you ask him?

          • Rabbi E Burns

            OK

          • Rabbi E Burns

            Apparently not.

          • Usman Ahmed

            Lol brother what U forget is that we should state facts.. Which is the only country to defy 107 UN laws, steal the property off others drive vehicles over the very peoples who defend their evil sate, like our Tom Hurndall? These Rabis who advocate nothing but treachery hide behind a mask, supported by the media like the BBC, the ONLY news broadcasting service who did not defend the Palestinians when nuclear cluster bombs were used in an attack on a UN camp.. But then when a rabbi who says I follow Moses always ask which Moses the one in his heart or the one who said though shall not kill and though shall not take interest??Guess who made that legitimate?? Greedy Rabbi’s.. lol

        • Mary Ann

          I suppose the idea that Muslims are the same as other people some good some bad, most somewhere in between, is a concept too difficult to grasp. As for the Jews, what about the way they kicked the Palestinians of their own lands. Not a lot to choose between either side in that one, blame the West for drawing lines across the Middle east without any respect for the way of life for those living there, and while they were at it, didn’t they draw in a Kurdistan?

          • Rabbi E Burns

            Ah Mary Ann, the mask slips, as it so often does.

          • Mary Ann

            What do you see behind it.

          • omgamuslim

            Yours?

          • Cogra Bro

            Muslims aren’t the same as other people, at least in a fundamentally Christian Country like ours.

            They believe in a religion which demands that non – Muslims be subjected by bloody force if necessary.

            Communist revolutionaries, who were / are ‘just the same as other people’ believed the same and we fought the Cold War against them for decades.

  • CalUKGR

    “…And then there was the winner — plucked from a group of typically ‘diverse’ human beings which the BBC presumably thinks is representative of modern Britain. Or perhaps wishes was. A gay here, a foreigner there, a BME Brit and of course Nadiya. As the TV columnist Ally Ross put it, the BBC must have been dancing a multicultural jig of joy. All that was missing was a blind amputee, beating up his batter with a specially adapted hand whisk, transgendered guide dog wagging its tail close by.”

    The BBC, in a nutshell. I wouldn’t mind if the BBC was a paid-for subscription-only service. They could do what they wanted, push any amount of illiberal unprogressive cr*p and I wouldn’t bat an eyelid. As things stand, however, I am compelled by law to pay towards what is little more than a government-funded job creation scheme for lefties – with a threat of criminal sanction hanging over me if I choose not to do so.

    How is the license fee in any way morally, creatively or intellectually defencible?

    • Mary Ann

      You seem to resent that Nadiya was the best, you have a problem.

      • Bonkim

        Best of what?

      • Cyril Sneer

        How to completely misread a post by Mary Ann.

  • MrScorpio

    Mary Ann = Apologist libtard sh*t stirrer. Go live in Southall.

    • Cyril Sneer

      Pat Condell is the man.

      • ShoeEventHorizon

        A dishonest man when push comes to shove, he’s exceptionally good in calling out just one of the many strains of symptom of multiculturalism yet found to be desperately lacking when identifying the root causes of it all.

        Almost like a gatekeeper protecting those who seek to destroy us, rather than a helpful soul.

        • MathMan

          Root cause of multiculturalism? Foreigners.

        • Cyril Sneer

          Please do elaborate on your post and provide some actual detail that can be used and responded to.

  • ShoeEventHorizon

    Muslims are just one of the many unpleasant symptoms of the policy to flood all European nations with uncontrolled 3rd world mass immigration.

    The Empire Windrush: The Origins of Multicultural Britain

    bit.ly/1LysqX5

  • oopster

    What an ignorant piece! Firstly the description of trans people (transgender is the umbrella term, not transgendered, if you’d done some research you’d have discovered that within 5 seconds). Secondly, the winner was a Muslim woman, who cares? She won a competition, undoubtedly at that level there wouldnt have been much in it between the finalists, but I suspect you’re only issue with her is that the winner was a Muslim who wasn’t wearing a suicide side vest to blow the bake-off tent to high heaven.

    You’re an idiot, do some actual research next time before writing another article.

    • Pioneer

      Try reading the article.

      • oopster

        I read it, it was rubbish.

    • Ancient

      whine elsewhere – we dont care if you use all this years ‘terminology’ correctly, the reality is you cant force everyone else to, and to end my comment in equal response, perhaps i need to state, you need to think before writing another ‘low signal quality’ carrying comment.

      • oopster

        It’s the correct terminology, you know, like we don’t say “coloured” anymore, we say “black”.

        • Mary Ann

          Unless of course you are American, I think ‘people of colour’ is a horrible expression.

        • Mr B J Mann

          We?

          So who put you in charge of the English language?!

          Actually we say Tranny!

        • Cyril Sneer

          Do we? You speak for yourself, you don’t speak for me.

          You don’t get to define the English language on my behalf.

          So are you a chick with a dick? Or a dick that wants to be a chick?

    • MacGuffin

      Are you a vewy vewy angwy twanny?

      • oopster

        so you have nothing positive to contribute so you resort to insults? clever.

        • MacGuffin

          In your previous post, you told the writer ‘You’re an idiot’. You therefore gave up the right to courtesy.

  • Marcus Scott

    The winner was chosen by the three judges not by the public voting used on other reality shows. The fact that Nadiya won tells us what those three individuals were thinking, nothing else.

    • Todd Unctious

      OMG. Mary Berry is Al Qaeda.

    • Mary Ann

      And lets face it, on Strictly half the time it’s not the worse dancers who are voted off. Anyway how are we going to vote, we don’t have tasty-vision yet.

  • omgamuslim

    ” … to have the pleasure in victory dampened by unkind souls, simply because of the colour of one’s skin.”
    That is perhaps what the Great British Bake Off really says about Britain.

    • cartimandua

      No one cares about colour. We don’t think there is “room to negotiate” about gender equality though. Equality of men and women makes us “better” in every sphere.

      • omgamuslim

        I am not so sure. It is at best a manufactured issue here mostly trotted out by the wilfully ignorant . Why should the question arise? A woman (of colour) chooses to satisfy the requirements of a religion that she is an adherent of and the Squealerian mob begins a cacophony of harassment against her whole religious community. Gender equality would demand that we honour her choice. Don’t you think?

        • Mary Ann

          And her choice of clothing, she didn’t come across as a victim. I wonder how many commentators on here actually watched most of the programs.

          • cartimandua

            But covering makes women and their children ill. Supplements cannot fix a lack of sunlight on skin.
            The science is clear and vitamin D is a hormone. A lack is associated with Diabetes, heart disease, obesity, cancers, depression, bone problems etc etc.
            Being on that program means she has a duty not to “sell” unhealthy habits.
            Covering is self harming and here in the UK we only have an NHS because we all try to be healthy. We try to get smokers off the cigs for instance.
            Covering is as bad for health as smoking or drinking or obesity.

          • Mary Ann

            ‘We all try to be healthy’, you’re joking, have you see how many fat people there are around these days.

          • cartimandua

            People may fail to act in healthy ways, but to consciously choose poor health for an entire group of women and children is malignant.
            But then across the Muslim world a lot of women are barely literate.
            There is no excuse for any person educated in the UK.

          • Usman Ahmed

            So will police, pilots, chefs, nuns, firemen, surgeons but to name the obvious few all now stop wearing their head wear.. Comedian.. LOL

        • cartimandua

          No I don’t. Male violence gets a free pass when women “obey” the idea that what matters is that they “cover” their dirty dangerous bodies.
          Covering makes women and their children ill. That’s OK with you why?
          The science is clear. Skin needs sunlight. Dark skin needs more sunlight and pills or diet cannot fix it.
          75% of Muslim women in the UK are not in paid work. They have higher than normal family sizes and use lots of benefits.
          Muslims are the least healthy group. They have for instance 6xs the risk of Diabetes.
          Cakes AND covering????
          I have no problem with lovely cakes and treats from time to time.
          She might as well have demanded to “right” to smoke like a chimney.

          • omgamuslim

            I don’t know how you propose to justify your recalcitrance. May be you think a feigned concern for her welfare is enough of a justification. You don’t need to be exposed to sunlight 24/7- overexposure can be fatal. There is no requirement that the needed level of exposure has to be effected in public. Pills and diet can fix the deficiency. If you are interested in her welfare, you should study medicine, if, that is, you have not already and take an opportunity to advise her in your practice. I do not think it is wise to view religious requirements as examples of male violence on the grounds that religion is a necessary part of patriarchy. I personally think religion came about for two reasons one of which is to control the males of the species with rules that purportedly came from on high and thus inviolable. But the males in general are far more difficult to control than the females. Hence some compromises had to be built into the regulations and the females thus appear to have got the shorter straw making it all appear to being a patriarchal tyranny.

            “South Asians (representing individuals from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and other parts of the South Asian subcontinent) have elevated risk of developing diabetes compared to other groups, and India has the second highest number of people with diabetes worldwide. Recent studies have found that rates of diabetes among South Asians in the U.S. are higher than other Asian groups and the general population, with diabetes prevalence ranging from 14% to 35%. Similarly, a study from New York City (NY, USA) found that foreign-born South Asians were 4.88 times more likely to have diabetes when compared to Whites”. (nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4053907/).

            The above I cite not to gainsay you, but to point out that the problem of diabetes2 does not lie with the religion but rather with the origin of the patient.

          • Mr B J Mann

            But India has a very, very large population, and still a large proportion of Musl!ms.

            Also, Musl!ms aren’t the only Indians who cover up (including men! – have you ever seen the skin under a turban?! – talk about a whiter shade of pale?!).

    • Mary Ann

      It’s not the GBBO it’s the speccy.

  • Smiffy51

    That symbol of subservience to men, the head covering, was what worried me.

    It was also an enormous, over the top fuss over a cake.

    • Mary Ann

      Not one cake, loads of cakes.

  • William Matthews

    The root of Christian, Jew and Muslim women all at some point covering their heads, stems from the story of Noah (or an older version of it) When the angels of heaven spotted human women down below, bred with them, and created giant off-spring. The giants ticked god off so much, he flooded the entire Earth. Heads were covered to prevent angels spotting saucy earth women again. What Nadiya and her medieval religions supporters don’t take into account is that a way to mans heart is via his stomach. If this is true of angels, we all could all be doomed. Yeah, thanks Nadiya. Thanks BBC. I’m off to buy a snorkel and 500 Ikea flat packed wardrobes.

    • Mary Ann

      You have to take this seriously, it proves that the BBC is prejudiced against Christians, a Muslim couldn’t possibly have been the best baker. Shock! Horror! Probe! Drag out the Daily Express and the Wail.

  • Ancient

    Rod you are my man, some days it feels, men will have to create their own sane enclave again, the way that Britain seems headed. I agree one muslim winning a soporific calming the mindless masses “BBC” baking contest, is definitely NOT the sign, were all comfortable with the currently liberal enshrined dogma of mass immigration and enforced multi-cultural-ism, no those in power are detached from the reality of public opinion on this matter and continue to pour salt ‘liberally’ in the wound by ignoring such public opinion. As for religion I wish it had died a natural death post the seventies, it was on a national trust type trajectory, but it just wouldn’t lie down, the ‘equality’ of all religious insanity and the unfettered importation of those that carry it, now mean are country is now flooded more than ever with it’s varied forms of insanity.

  • Jani Louvel

    What a dingus.

  • Mary Ann

    What does the GBBO say about Britain, not a lot, it’s light entertainment, people don’t want to be intellectually challenged……….

  • john lord

    One of the problems with the wearing of the veil in the West, leaving aside all the stuff to do with women’s rights, is that it identifies the person with that particular religion. She might as well have had the star and crescent stamped on her forhead. I didn’t know the religion of the rest of the contestants, if any they had. Perhaps this was unfair, maybe they should all have been religiously identified, to even things up so to speak.The Protestant pasty v the Catholic cake v the Atheist apple pie. But we in the West having spent centuries knocking 9 bells off one another over religious differences have kind of went low key on religious identification symbols in every day life. And now thanks to all these followers of the religion of peace landing on our shores in the fairly recent past, it looks like we are going back to the future.

    • Mary Ann

      I do hope not, although some people demand the right to wear a crucifix even is they have to wear a uniform that includes a no jewellery rule, nothing in the bible about wearing crucifixes. nothing in the Koran about wearing veils either. I find both of them slightly creepy, but then I do remember prejudice against atheism at school.

      • cartimandua

        A cross is not currently part of the second class status of women or sexual obsession which sinks whole nations.

      • Bonkim

        Medieval Ladies wore head coverings and veils in England.

        • Mary Ann

          I thought you were against women being forced to wear veils.

          • Bonkim

            Whatever gave you the idea – simply pointing out that keeping women covered from ogling eyes and depriving them of property rights and education, marrying them off before puberty, were all once part of the British value system. Seriously Mary Ann you would not have made the commnt say a hundred years back but accepted your station in society much as this head covered lady is doing in 21st century bake off – I did not watch the programme though – the bits shown in the news items were enough to put people off.

      • Cogra Bro

        I don’t know how anyone can make up their minds about religion whilst still young enough to be at school.

        • Mary Ann

          When I was 7, I decided that God was too much like Father Christmas to be true, now it’s easier, I see absolutely no reason to believe that there is some kind of mystical being in charge, and the only sensible reason for inventing one is fear of death. Most people make up their minds by the time they reach their teens, I suppose it depends on how much brainwashing they get from their parents before they reach the age of reason.

          • Mr B J Mann

            Well no presents for YOU then!

      • Hamburger

        If you go back to 14th century Europe you will see similar headpiece. They still are worn by nuns today. There is a theory that the Muslims took them up during the crusades. The body bag of course goes back to pre Islam Arabia.

      • Usman Ahmed

        U need to read the glorious Quran, it does enforce a veil. the problem is how much should be covered?? This is to some open to interpretation.

    • cartimandua

      Its terribly important. Its how we have freedom of belief and civil peace. With Muslims its all about their narcissistic wishes and the eck with everyone else.
      I just gag at the idea of wearing a symbol imposed and beloved by beheaders, slavers, and child rapists.
      Whatever hijabis are taught its not about morality or concern for others. Its only about them.

      • Usman Ahmed

        The same reason I don’t allow my daughter to go for a walk in the park.. dread to think what the women and children in Iraq and Afghanistan must feel like..

    • Hamburger

      I don’t think it is a veil. Doesn’t a veil cover the face?

  • A transgendered chap was hoping to become the world’s first
    dual-purpose father and mother to a baby. He had frozen his semen before
    the surgeons came along with their secateurs and staple gun. I turned
    to my wife and said: ‘One day the chill wind of Odin will blow down from
    the icy north and cleanse our nation of all purulence and disease.’

    As Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist – and Professor of Ethics – Janice Raymond wrote:

    “I contend that the problem with transsexualism would best be served by morally mandating it out of existence”

    Casually referring to them as “purulence and disease” though, that takes things to another level. It’s going the Full Nazi.

    I suppose my statement did have a slightly right-of–centre ring to it and lacked a little empathy.

    Right-of-centre? Not at all. Of the written submissions to the Transgender Equality Inquiry calling for human rights to be withdrawn from the “purulence and disease” that is “transgenderism”, only one was from the Religious Right – a dozen were from Radical Feminist groups calling for their extermination. Though their ideology is basically religious in nature too, talking about “energies” and “spirits”.

    “The transsexually constructed lesbian-feminist feeds off woman’s true
    energy source, i.e. her woman-identified self. It is he who recognises
    that if female spirit, mind, creativity and sexuality exist anywhere in a
    powerful way it is here, among lesbian-feminists

    As for Empathy? That requires recognition that the entity in question is not Vermin.

    • Hamburger

      Love your sense of humour.

  • Grace Ironwood

    There will still be a BBC come the Caliphate.
    Slightly different content of course, but very enriching.

    • Mary Ann

      Don’t spoil you life being so negative, you only live once.

      • GraveDave

        Caliphates, Sharia law, ‘Britain a Muslim country’ by the year 2050 something or other. So, are all you brave patriotic Brits just going to sit around posting warnings from your keyboards until then – or what?

        Russell Brand on a pogo stick…

      • Sean L

        Why is the Caliphate’s expansion in any way negative? At least you don’t disguise your Islamophobia. Got to respect you for that.

  • woodmere

    When I joined the RAF in1978, I was told I was not allowed to wear jewelry except a wedding ring, engagement ring, And a small crucifix.
    As I liked wearing jewelry, and the prospect of not wearing any, but also a confirmed athiest, I went and bought myself a lovely sapphire studded engagement ring, and a small gold cross with a gold chain. People congratulated me on getting engaged but we’re puzzled as to who it was? I was happy I wasn’t plagued by guys for a dance.
    I was also asked was I a Christian? Again more puzzled looks as I was always in bed Sunday mornings, and rarely left it on that day to go out.
    I replied I went to church Friday nights, as I was always out.
    People’s perception of religion is always different from the norm, but as it was thrust in my face, I used it to my advantage, don’t tell me I can not be a free atheist and then ban me, and not the Christians from wearing jewelry.

  • mickey667

    I’m always at a loss to understand this ‘Unlimited immigration’ bogeyman. Or, on refugees. “we can;t let them all in”. Or “we can;t just open our doors”.

    I mean, literally no-one bar the anarchists wan to do that.

    So you have a situation where some people think immigration is too high and some are comfortable with it. And any positive story about immigration or immigrants is characterised as a battle between, shit the doors, or have unlimited immigration.

    Its like anarchists and the BNP talking to one another. Its fucking stupid.

    • cartimandua

      We have no power to stop anyone from the EU. So yes we are talking about all the often violent masses invading the EU.

      http://therightscoop.com/must-watch-whistleblower-doctor-explains-horrific-reality-dealing-with-muslim-invaders-in-germany/

      “Many Muslims are refusing treatment by female staff and, we, women, are refusing to go among those animals, especially from Africa. Relations between the staff and migrants are going from bad to worse. Since last weekend, migrants going to the hospitals must be accompanied by police with K-9 units.

      Many migrants have AIDS, syphilis, open TB and many exotic diseases that we, in Europe, do not know how to treat them. If they receive a prescription in the pharmacy, they learn they have to pay cash. This leads to unbelievable outbursts, especially when it is about drugs for the children. They abandon the children with pharmacy staff with the words: “So, cure them here yourselves!” So the police are not just guarding the clinics and hospitals, but also large pharmacies. “

      • Mary Ann

        We do have the power to refuse entry to the refugees, they do not have EU passports and they will need to settle in a EU country, get a job learn the language and live in that country for at least 5 years, before applying for citizenship, by which time they will be settled. After all that time there will be no advantage for them to come here. Cameron has refused to take refugees from Europe, he is only allowing those who have NOT entered the EU already to come here.

      • mickey667

        What a load of old shite that is from a notorious gob shite conspiratorial ‘plot to eradicate the white race’ website.

        Mate, do me a fucking favour

        • GraveDave

          Carty is no white supremacist (whatever that is). There must be a mistake.

        • jim

          Mass immigration is euthanasia for natives.

        • cartimandua

          That was the true picture from a doctor working in Germany.
          Violent migrants now have to be escorted by police in case they attack staff.
          They (Germany) has also had the recent murder of a raped Syrian woman by her “loving” family.
          Not all cultures are the same. Some are toxic and disgusting. Anyone wearing a hijab is supporting the honour killers and rapists not the victim.
          Apart from that I resent having to pay for anyone’s self harming behaviour. Covering is self harming behaviour even if it is a choice at all.
          There is no doubt about the science. People need sunlight on the skin. The darker the skin the more sunlight it needs. Supplements cannot fix it.
          Covering is why Muslims are the least healthy group of people in the UK.
          That they are comes from the MCB.
          Women are even deficient in vitamin D in Saudi and Kuwait.
          That is implicated in severely poor health (heart disease, Diabetes, and cancers etc) as well as chronic poor health.

          • Usman Ahmed

            I also resent having to pay for anyone’s harmful behavior, like the drunk and disorderly on every Friday & Saturday night but I still do and live with it. Extra police extra Dr’s extra medication paid by the taxpayer of course.

        • cartimandua

          You really think a culture which routinely treats women with contempt and abuse is “just fine”? Really?

      • Usman Ahmed

        The NHS has a huge number of Dr’s and nurses who are foreigners.. exotic Dr’s treating exotic diseases.. If U disagree to a none European Dr. touching U, your wife your children U should use treatments like putting a potato on their ear for earache and chopping your leg off if that hurts, all used till the 20 century Europe but not even 14 century Asia.. Yes 20th century.. simple advise, educate yourself.. (STD is the largest growing illness in this country, I don’t blame foreigners for that do U?)

    • sponner

      I am in favour of shitting the doors. They were crap.

    • Cyril Sneer

      Blame the left – when they refer to UKIP they say they’re the ‘anti-immigration’ party despite the abundance of evidence that show UKIP want points based limited migration. Hardly anti-immigration but this is from the same lot of a r s e holes that refer to anyone who speaks out against mass immigration as racist.

      Or if you voice your concerns about Islam then you”re regarded as racist by these people.

      The left are incapable of sensible adult debate on this topic without resorting to blind hysteria and name calling.

      • Suleiman

        The problem of Britain is not that there is Islamophobia – the problem is that there is too much Islamophilia.

        Just look what powerful groups talk about the ‘moral obligation’ to get into Britain all the Muslims who want to come (potentially in the hundreds of millions). First there are all the religious groups : Jews, Catholics, Church of England etc. To fight us, the atheists, they join hands. Jews may complain about the hundreds of attacks in Britain, physical and verbal, by Muslims on Jews, but the leaders of the communities are extremely friendly and supportive of the causes of each other’s community. Shameful co-operation.

        And then there are the self-appointed liberals and leftists. On the face of it this seems an impossible alliance : Muslims are the opposite of liberalism. I shall not talk about all of our liberals and leftists. But I believe that a certain percentage among them supports the radical Muslims, and Muslims in general, as “the last hope of the white man” – to get rid of the Jews. They are bloody anti-semites, despite there alleged progressive thinking. They hate the Jews, not only Israel. They really lost the battle to rule the world : they have no countries or armies under their control. So militant Islam becomes their last hope against world Jewry. By the way, don’t lose much sleep about the personal furtunes of those liberals under Isis rule. They will not be executed. Many of them are very talented opportunists and careerists whose single core belief is hatred of Jews. They will fit themselves in very well with an Isis rule : they will convert, have their 4 wives, pray 5 times a day, etc. All very well for them as long as the Jews are gone.

      • Morgan D

        It is up to everyone one of us to shut this P.C. nonsense up for good. The BBC has become a joke, regardless of what time in British history a TV series is shown, there is always a Black or Asian or Lesbian up front and centre. I for one, am sick and tired of their promotion of multiculturalism especially when the BBC, try and distort reality.

        • Tianna Jones-Quarles

          Sorry to disagree but it’s the only news I trust. Why don’t you like multi culturism? Love reading all your comments I learn so much on this site.

  • GraveDave

    the BBC must have been dancing a multicultural jig of joy. All that was missing was a blind amputee, beating up his batter with a specially adapted hand whisk, transgendered guide dog wagging its tail close by.

    Incorrigible ; – )

    • Mary Ann

      Would you be happier if there was nothing but white middle-class males?

  • rowbat

    I’m not sure the revelation was ‘look how far we’ve come’. To me it was more how completely British she seemed – in her manner, her humour, her values – while also being a proud and devoted Muslim.

    But then, I was watching from Canada.

    • Bonkim

      Open display of one’s religion and culture – frowned upon in Britain. not many in Britain bake gooyi cakes at home in Britan. It is a made up TV – BBC wasting licence payers’ money. Same as come dancing – next I suppose couples dancing with women under the Burkha. That will be truly representative of Muslims adopting British values.

    • Morgan D

      When you have your share of Muslim refugees 25,000 hitting Canada, in the very near future and have to face Muslim, radical attacks as the UK has endured. Me thinks you may well have a different attitude once out of your Bubble!

  • Usman Ahmed

    After watching the entire series in my opinion was she was amazing.. 14 million viewers, my family were not alone, Long may she live and bake for those who deserve and enjoy her baking.. Headscarf?? Which professional baker does not cover their head?? Racist, vulgar, commentaries, by none other than those who think they are utilizing their pens as their swords.. sad sad sad..

  • Richard Bound

    Rod, you are such a cunt, you were shit on question time, embarrasing actually, you classless fuck. I see your agenda you floppy haired prick. Stay the fuck of TV, you’re shameful.

  • Morgan D

    It should be against the law in the UK for ANYONE, to be in a public place with their face covered.
    For all the OBVIOUS reasons! Vote for a party that has the gumption to keep the Country, safe!

  • cartimandua

    There is nothing wrong with faith in a God when it makes one feel loved and generous to others. There is a lot wrong with parading ones religious tribe in public. We learned not to do that so that all may believe (internally) as they chose.
    Muslims never understood that. Its not all about them.

  • Carrie Croon

    Let’s have a show of 12 white, middle class, middle England males cooking plain drop scones (no cinnamon – too exotic!). That would be scintillating viewing.

  • Kubla Khan

    When we have integration is when we have an Indian play James Bond, become, Prime minister, the Indian male is seen as threat, and like the that Polish women and Russian women were once ridiculed and joked about as being the ugliest, we now know that they are some of the most beautiful in the world are the Polish and Russian women. Basically the British have to spin a lie, and propagate a falsehood because they are scared. This is like when we called Indian food, smelly and over spiced and garlic laden, yet now we go and ask for the hottest curry and even now state we invented curry! The lies are all exposed in time, and the truth will out. We called Indian women ugly and today the BBC and the media are in love with Indian women, 32 Indian female presenters for ever 1 Indian male and judging by the number of English men in particular who harp on about Indian women and how they want one. English women also love Indian men but are scared of acceptance by their peers as the media show case them as nerds and second choice. Had the baker been an Indian man he would have never won. This women only one because it is acceptable to show the female from another race/ religion as integrating but not their males. Who are seen as beared pedophiles, and extremists.

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