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Iran’s hidden war with the West – and what we can do to fight back

The nuclear deal makes it more vital than ever that Britain helps hold Iran to its obligations

24 October 2015

9:00 AM

24 October 2015

9:00 AM

When British troops were on patrol in Iraq and Afghanistan, we faced many enemies, from jihadis to press-ganged civilians. But for me, the most terrifying ones lay buried. Bullets usually miss. Improvised explosive devices – IEDs — don’t. They are frighteningly simple. Old munitions wired together or plastic bottles packed with fertiliser and ball-bearings could destroy a vehicle and kill its passengers.

During my four years in Afghanistan I saw IEDs evolve: first came remote triggers, then pressure plates and then low-metal-content devices. Curiously, IEDs evolved in a similar way in Iraq. This should be no surprise, since the groups trying to kill British troops shared one common resource: Iranian support.

For years, Tehran has armed insurgents. Through the Quds Force, the special forces unit of the regime’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, it has killed British troops and plotted to assassinate diplomats in Washington DC. The ayatollahs have nurtured terrorists around the world. Their war has never been declared, but has cost many lives.

Qassem Suleimani, the commander of the Quds Forces, has waged a secret war against Britain for years. Seeking to limit our options, his forces, Russian allies and Syrian and Hezbollah proxies, have slaughtered the more moderate Syrian rebels. What’s more, he is trying to split us from our allies. By smuggling weapons into Bahrain and Kuwait to encourage violence, he’s trying to force the Royal Navy from its principal base in the Persian Gulf.

Serving in the armed forces across the region, I learned how Iran spreads its malign influence. In Lebanon and Syria I saw how its Revolutionary Guard Corps supported fighters and shaped regional leaders. Today, we are watching Russia join Tehran in military adventurism in Syria — not just to secure Assad but to challenge our interests. And now they have won the end of sanctions in exchange for little more than a ten-year delay in nuclear production. From our allies’ perspective, Iran is winning.


For the first time since Egypt stopped receiving Russian support in 1970, the US is on the back foot and Moscow is back in, on the Shia side. The nuclear deal doesn’t sound like peace, but acquiescence to Tehran’s ambitions.

This was a US deal. Our leverage was removed by the flood of businesses pushing to get around sanctions and the Obama administration’s determination to reach a deal. But to our allies among the Gulf countries, we are part of the group who pushed Iran hard for years, and then blinked.

The deal is now done and our role is clear. First, we must make sure the watchdog has teeth. In the past, the International Atomic Energy Agency has misread Iranian intentions and missed violations — that’s why Iran’s nuclear ambitions got so far. Now, with Iranian scientists contracted to support the group on the ground and Tehran’s intelligence partner — Russia — on the IAEA’s governing board, we must be increasingly vigilant. But it’s a tricky business.

Even the ‘snapback’ mechanism for re-imposing sanctions — the supposed assurance that the Iranians won’t cheat — isn’t as simple as it sounds. You can bet the EU won’t want to discuss a new embargo when companies are signing billion-euro deals in Iran. And would Tehran be so rash as to be caught in a clear-cut breach? Unlikely. If they made a series of infringements just below the level they know would trigger a reaction, trying to invoke the mechanism could leave the UK, not Iran, isolated.

Meanwhile, even during the moratorium on nuclear production, Iran’s scientists will continue their research, learning better ways to rebuild their stocks of fissile material. No wonder Iran’s neighbours in the Gulf states are concerned.

America has the luxury of knowing for sure that Arab nations will continue to see it as an essential partner. Germany and others have already made their choice and leapt into Iranian markets. But we in Britain, with our deep historic links to the Gulf, must be prepared to challenge Iran for any breach if Tehran reverts to type. That would reinforce the relationship of trust that David Cameron built with our Gulf partners in the early days of his premiership.

Obama’s voice may have carried further than ours in the negotiations, but his withdrawal from the stage means that we cannot rely on Washington to ensure the agreement works. The deal should have included acts of terror and subversion. It should have included a real end to the nuclear progamme and it should have stopped Suleimani and his Quds Force undermining our position.

If Iran falls short and seeks to use subterfuge to undermine our allies, we must stiffen America’s resolve. We had to do so before, when Margaret Thatcher ensured President George H.W. Bush defended Kuwait in 1990. We must be prepared to do so again.

Tom Tugendhat served with the British Army in Iraq and Afghanistan, and is now Conservative MP for Tonbridge and Malling.

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  • Sunshine Sux

    Ah yes, Britain will help Iran, just like it ‘helps’ Pakistan, like it helped the Muslim Brotherhood, like it helps ISIS, Turkey, Qatar, Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Nusra, etc

    Question: when Muslims are done mass raping little girls, beheading soldiers and civilians, blowing themselves up in busses and trains, storming embassies, infiltrating schools, threatening, demanding, burning, intimidating, and flexing their violent muscles, and they’ll finally start launching home made Qassam rockets from their ghettos, to get the ‘occupiers’ out of ‘their’ land – WHO WILL HELP BRITAIN THEN?

    • mickey667

      Calm down dear.

      • Sunshine Sux

        No. I’m mad. Everybody should be mad! It’s sad and disappointing that not everybody is mad. I’m sick of dhimmis telling me to calm down, not everybody is suicidal and cretinous, you know! Some of us care about our country and the future of our children!
        This country is a cesspit, because nobody gets angry enough. Everybody is frightened, weak and spineless, it’s repulsive what Britain has become.
        ‘Calm down & carry on’ – nice passive slogan, for how much longer?

        • mickey667

          This country is not a cesspit. I Love this country, as do many others.

          And the frightened and weak ones seem to be those reacting hysterically and spreading hate about anybody that is different. They are the danger to Britain, creating a climate of suspicion and bitterness.

          • Sunshine Sux

            Yeah, people such as myself are the problem! *snort*

            You’re the president of the spineless dhimmi fan club, if you truly believe that!

            What’s next? Are you going to call me Islamophobic, and tell me how much greatness Islam has contributed to this country?

            With useful idiots such as yourself, is it a surprise Britain is what it is?

          • mickey667

            I don’t know what a Dhimmi is and i don’t really care.

            But you’re as predictable as you are boring

            If you hate this country so much why don’t you just leave.

          • Mow_the_Grass

            A Dhimmi – is a naive buffoon who falls for the Muslim narrative and is suckered in by it.
            You seem to fit the bill perfectly.
            ps – google taqiya/kitman – and you might learn something

          • Cyril Sneer

            The fact this guy doesn’t know what a dhimmi is tells you everything you need to know about what little he knows.

          • Sunshine Sux

            I agree, it’s embarrassing.

          • mickey667

            No it doesn;t. I speak as i find. When people are to be condemned i will do it. I am an atheist, believe in no religion, but find most as i find them.

            You may harbour fantasies and apocalyptic visions and talk about the safety of the ‘white race’ and genocide of whites and so on, but none of it will come to pass and you;ll die having led a very unhappy and frightened life.

            Cam down, things are fine. Troubles of course, yes, but really calm your jets

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            How can you say that your future prediction is any more likely than anyone elses?
            Look to history and you may work out why people are a little anxious about the resurgence of militant Islam…… If you can be bothered that is.

          • Sunshine Sux

            Telling somebody who is concerned about their country to leave, while ignoring the mass rapists, and thousands of potential psychotic beheaders: YOU are part of the problem! YOU are the reason we have sunk so low, and you are so dumb, that you don’t even realise, that you’re showing it right here.

            Unlike the parasites I am talking about, I pay taxes, I have a job, I employ people, and I WAS BORN HERE! I will not be told by dhimmis such as yourself to leave. I WILL tell the truth about MY country, I will stand up for my beliefs, and I will not be shut down, this isn’t the bleedin’ BBC, you hear me, and if you don’t like it hearing the truth, YOU can leave. Because it’s clear that it is YOU who hates this country!

          • mickey667

            Yu need to be on medication

          • Cyril Sneer

            No it’s close minded idiots like you that are the problem – the sort that refuse to identify a problem until it’s too late. Because it’s easier for you to keep your head down and not rock the boat. It won’t be easier for your children or your children’s children.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            How are they different….. Be specific.

        • Cyril Sneer

          “This country is a cesspit, because nobody gets angry enough. Everybody
          is frightened, weak and spineless, it’s repulsive what Britain has
          become.”

          This.

          • smoke me a kipper

            Why don’t you emmigrate then?

        • smoke me a kipper

          You certainly are mad, on that we can agree.

    • smoke me a kipper

      The West of course would never attack a hospital unless in Kabul of course.

      The West would never conduct torture, unless in Abu Ghraib of course

      The West would never imprison people without trial, unless in Guantanamo of course

      The West would never execute citizens without trial, unless using drones of course.

      Face facts, the World is a brutal place, and humans behave deplorably. It’s ludricous to claim the moral high ground

      • whatever name

        “Face facts, the World is a brutal place, and humans behave deplorably. It’s ludricous to claim the moral high ground”
        True enough, but claiming the moral high ground is part and parcel of ‘deplorable behaviour’. All morality is will to power.

        • smoke me a kipper

          He who lives by the sword dies by the sword. Persuasion, influence, soft power is the route to self interest

      • wudyermucuss

        Mistake.

        Very mild torture/humiliation.

        Rules of war.

        Enemy embedding amongst civilians.

        It is ludicrous to make false equivalence.

        • Fritz123

          Rules of war, I love it. Our rules that are ok as long as they are on our side. And if they arent we let other aka ISIS etc do the dirty work. “Dont use barbars” was one of the basic rules of Robert von Mohls Theory of the International Communiy in the 19th century. If we think we are moraly superior we would not have allowed weapons and fighters to go to Syria.

      • Malcolm Stevas

        Please emigrate to N.Korea or the KSA, then when you come back (if you come back) in a few years, tell us how you made out, and whether your sense of proportion has developed.

        • smoke me a kipper

          Malcolm whataboutery; since when did two wrongs make a right?

      • LittleRedRidingHood

        Ah the moral equivalence.

        That’s a new one on me.

        The whole west or just a bit of it?

        But you’re right the world is a brutal place. You can hardly complain when people want to fight back to prevent such brutality can you?

        I’m not sure who you think is taking the moral high ground, most seem to be staying what is happening within our communities

        • Fritz123

          Yes, but we could do it better. We dont have clear rules. We are full of contradictions. We do what we want as well and we do it without much thinking.

      • Sunshine Sux

        If the west is bad, why are muslims tripping over themselves, coming to live here?
        Why aren’t they staying in their wonderful countries?
        Oh yeah, I forgot: BECAUSE NOBODY KILLS MORE MUSLIMS THAN OTHER MUSLIMS.

        • smoke me a kipper

          Because the Muslim World is even worse

        • plainsdrifter

          Excellent reply. Sadly, Muslims aren’t killing other Muslims fast enough.

    • Cincinnatus

      Where’s our Israel?

      It’s not enough that Muslims have ruined Europe, they’re also trying their best to do the same to Australia.

      • victor67

        Australia another state built on oppression,racism and colonialism.

        • wudyermucuss

          Westerners had no link or history with Australia.
          Completely different from Jews and Israel/Palestine/Judea Samaria.

          Although empire building,colonialism,expansion,migration is a universal human behaviour,in no way confined to Westerners.

        • Malcolm Stevas

          Oh God can you really mean this? It’s the worst form of student-politician far-Left fantasy. Wotcha going to do: hand Oz back to the Abos?

      • peter6218

        Israel and their ally the US have been instrumental in causing chaos in the Middle East by the policy of ” regime change” They are also rather keen that Europe takes all the “refugees” caused by this policy . Meanwhile in the middle east, Israel ensured none enter its own land.

        http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-bolsters-jordan-border-to-keep-out-terrorists-refugees/

        • Fritz123

          Lets be more precise. Israel is small and the problem in Syria was Iran. To fight Iran with the Saudis was the main error. I dont dig why Israel and Iran are not the best friends they have allways been in history. There would we no Jerusalem without Iran, a very old country as well. They are short sighted and gambling that is not sustainable. And Israel needs sustainability. Who is bullding this capacity? The Jews in Iran?

  • mickey667

    Strange article. Sure Iran seeks to enforce what it considers to be its ‘sphere of influence’ on its borders (iraq, Afghanistan) and in the Persian Gulf. It has designs on being/remaining a regional power.

    But it seems so obvious to say much of this. Rather than directly attacking us, the British, we have just been taking sides in the Cold War between Sunnism and Shiaism (between Saudi Arabia and Iran) with inevitable consequences.

    That Cold war ain;t going away, no matter what we do. And into it we;ve been setting fires in the Middle East for decades now. This is not to say lets just walk away and ignore it, because of course it is the centre of global instability presently, but the characterisation of Iran as somehow shifty, untrustworthy, shadowy malign influence – while perhaps truthful – is no basis for realpolitik and a proper understanding of the Middle East, Iran’s undeniable regional role there, and what it is we are doing there. It begs the question, what on earth did you expect them to do?

    There could be a similar article written in Iran, about us funding Saudi troops now causing mayhem in the Yemen, our police training all the Gulf state tyrannies, and us funnelling money to various factions involved in the chaos across the region.

    We are in strange times and dangerous times, which is why, despite Iran’s plainly obvious self interest (which nation is not self interested?) the Iran deal is not some mistake, but a way of cooling the cold war further, and having dialogue during one of the most explosive periods in the Middle East in memory

  • Mow_the_Grass

    Iran will play the west like an old violin,
    Iran will keep the centrifuges spinning in secret underground fascilities far away from western eyes/inspections.
    Iran will continue to develop their ballistic missile program.
    Iran will continue to fund its proxy terror armies including Hezbollah.
    Iran will continue to encourage the Death to America/Israel and whoever else.
    Iran is governed by maniacal mullahs/supreme council supported by IRGC/Basij who have no intention of sticking by the terms of the agreement – signed by the so called moderates.
    Iran is a threat to not only Israel but to the whole of the sunni ME.
    A nuclear armed Iran is a clear and present danger to Europe an beyond.
    An Iranian/Syrian/Hezbollah/Russian axis is the new reality.
    An imbecile and community organiser in the WH – apparently believe that these people ie Iranians negotiate in good faith.
    In years to come – people of the west will wonder why this gullibility existed as they try and come to terms with this new threat.

    • sir_graphus

      True. I think, in the West, we just want them to go away and stop bothering us. So if we can do a deal, get them off the news for a bit, our leaders will be happy. The Iranians know this. It will end badly.

      • Mow_the_Grass

        The deal also of course also allows them to resuscitate their economy – which is what brought them to the table in the first instance.
        It’s a real win/win for them.
        Money and trade with an eager wh*ring west – as they secretly continue with their nuclear programs – which if they were truly peaceful – would not also require a missile program running in tandem

    • victor67

      Nonsense it only threatens US/Israeli domination of the ME. As other comments have highlighted the stone age regime in Saudi Arabia is our real enemy. Israel continued persecution of the Palestinians and denial of their basic human rights will always be a rallying point for resistance. Israel which acts with impunity under the diplomatic cover of the Yanks is a disgrace.

      • Mow_the_Grass

        Garbage.
        Nobody buys into that ‘Palestinian human rights’ BS viz a viz Israel.
        If the so called ‘Palestinians’ have any ‘human rights’ problems – then best they take it up with their terrorscum brothers running things in Gaza – and their inept thieving corrupt brothers running things out of Ramallah.
        As for arabs who are citisens of Israel – they receive the exact same right as all the other citisens of Israel.
        Israel will act with impunity when these two groups ie Gaza/Hamas and Ramallah/PLO attempt to infringe on the rights of the citisens of the state of Israel.
        It doesn’t require ‘diplomatic cover ‘ from the ‘Yanks’ or anybody else ie eurotrash – to do this.

        • victor67

          Arabs are discriminated on many levels in the Jewish state.
          They are regarded as a fifth column by the moldovian fascist Liebermam and his settler party.
          They cannot marry other Palestinians in the occupied territories.Israel spends less on housing and education in Palestinian arab areas .
          So life is not so rosy for the non jew in the jewish state.

          Israel on both sides of the greenline is fast becoming an apartheid state.
          .Zionism is a western colonial project that has always persecuted the indigenous people. The last great imperial endeavour.
          Their resistance is just a symptom of this problem

          • Mow_the_Grass

            ‘Indigenous people’
            Does that also include the Jews who have lived in the area for the last three thousand years – right up to the formation of the state of Israel.
            You mean those those ‘indigenous people’
            Luister jong – jy weet niks van regtig ‘apartheid’ nie.

          • victor67

            Zionism was overwhelmingly a European project in response to christian hatred. It was inspired by colonalism and racist attitudes about the people of the orient being backward and not to be considered.

            The jews in Palestine had little interest in statehood and co-existed with Arabs before Zionism came on the scene.
            The Arabs new fairly quickly that the Zionists had designs on their land and that’s where the violence came from.

          • Avi_in_Jerusalem

            Shouldn’t you change your login name to vanquished67?

          • Mow_the_Grass

            Nachon/Bidyuk – and vanquished also in ’48/56/67/73 and other times as well

          • wudyermucuss

            Half of the population in the early days was Sephardi.
            Jews were second class citizens under Muslim rule,(if you want to see apartheid,look to the virtually Jew free Arab world[their Nazi chums would have been proud]).
            Jews did buy land from landowners (Turkish),yes.

            The violence comes from the Koran,it is quite clear.
            It is kept going,currently,by Abbas and a myriad of organizations and individuals,including Western far leftists who cheer on the Islamic fascists from afar.

          • victor67

            The Israeli’s love Abbas he project manages the Occupation for them.
            I suspect the next generation of Palestinian leaders will not be so accommodating.

          • wudyermucuss

            Arabs are judges,cops,soldiers,politicians.
            Israel has univesal suffrage and is a Parliamentary Democracy which consistently ranks highest in the region in freedom rankings.
            Zionism is the antithesis of Imperialism.
            Perhaps you are confusing it with Islamism?

          • peter6218

            maybe they will give the right of return to the Palestinian people then ?

          • victor67

            Zionism is a jewish supremacist ideology.

      • wudyermucuss

        Israel will neutralize the latest threat as it did the Iraqi and Syrian ones before.
        The world will condemn publicly,privately thank.
        The Arabs in Israel,WB and Gaza will continue their pointless self harming ancient Judeophobia.
        Resistance to Islamism will continue as it has since Islam’s inception.

        • victor67

          Yeh kill kill kill and keep building the walls

      • LittleRedRidingHood

        I think you underestimate how far reaching Iran’s influence is and a nuclear armed Iran is the stuff nightmares are made of
        Whilst I agree on your sentiments towards Saudi, Your sentiments of the Israeli conflict are straight out of the Palestinian victim and grievance handbook. Aren’t Palestinians currently persecuting anyone they can plunge a knife into?

        • victor67

          The current violence is a result of the brutality of occupation and the fact people have no hope.
          Bibi said it himself No Palestinian state.This means a life of apartheid and persecution. No people on earth would tolerate this.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            Look, No two state solution will work. They’ll still want to kill each other.

          • victor67

            That’s how it looks and it is a tragedy for the Palestinians.
            But where does it leave Israel as a “Jewish and democratic state” It controls over two million Palestinians who they cannot give full democratic rights as it kills the Jewish state and they cannot expel as even the Yanks wouldn’t stand for that.
            This is the demographic time bomb and starts the clock ticking on Israel. It shows Bibi short sightedness as Israel survival depends on a two state solution.

    • Cobbett

      ‘In years to come’ the ‘West’ will cease to exist in any meaningful sense. So what’s the problem?

  • JSC

    Until our politicians are prepared to stand up and name and shame the immoral ideology that drives these nations we’ll never be able to effectively fight their influence, at home or abroad.

    • global city

      but, if they gain influence throughout the Middle East, who gives a toss… it is a benighted sh*thole of no interest beyond oil…. a hyper ethnic/group focused hatefest…oh, the glories of multiculturalism, trying to wipe out ‘the other’ for millennia.

      and yet, we’re suppose to contribute millions more dead (again) to help sway the outcome of their local disputes. Let them all kill each other I say.

  • Fulgentian

    They’re doing all this to speed the appearance of the 12th Imam… Look it up.

    • Cyrus

      Oh shut up, you regurgitate whatever the Zionists feed you.

      • investigator

        Zionism is, and has been, a splendid movement.
        Nothing else has been so successful in confronting the anti-semitism that still infests the Western, and Eastern, worlds.

        But the 12th imam is eagerly awaited in many parts of the Muslim world.
        Huge numbers of Muslim youth are readying themselves to become martyrs to hasten his arrival. These youth are to be found in abundance in Britain.
        Whenever the leaders of the Western world back down before Muslim posturing they are encouraged.
        Do you think that they stopped planning atrocities after 9/11?

      • jeffersonian

        Whilst you’re on your hands and knees lapping up the latest lies from al Jazeera and Press TV.

  • Rupert Williams

    By “our gulf allies” I presume you are referring to the serial-human-rights-infringers and proxy-war-in-Yemen-wagers, the loathsome Saudis? Torturers and crucifiers of bloggers? Supporters of Al Queda. Taleban, ISIS? financiers of terror throughout the region if not throughot most of the world. Petroleum blackmailers back in the day when they had the power. Hypocrites. Birthplace of the disgusting wahabbist creed?

    Those allies, do you mean?

    Quite frankly, with allies like those, who needs enemies.

  • Cyrus

    The right wing brainless baboons are at it again, in serving their Zionist and Wahhabi masters.

    • Cobbett

      Cuckservatives are not ‘Right’ Wing.

    • jeffersonian

      Zionist *and* Wahabi masters eh? What it must be like living inside your head.

  • Richard Eldritch

    They clearly enjoyed making their own Union Flags to burn. The colouring-in is very good, they’ve almost managed not to go over the lines. God knows what they’ll be capable of should they learn the secrets of double sided sticky tape and glitter.

  • global city

    Wow! a call for war, for western countries to spill the blood of their youth to maintain something not worth it in the Middle East.

    How so?

  • La6Red9Nec

    What we should do is to demand and force the UK government to stop arms sales to the Apartheid regimes in Isreal & Saudi who are killing innocent women and children with the aforementioned weapons on a daily basis in Palestine & Yemen.
    Iran is not our enemy, they are currently one of the few who are actually fighting the animals in ISIS who are mainly supported by the 2 notorious regimes mentioned above.

    • Mow_the_Grass

      Jy weet niks nie van ‘apartheid’ nie – omdat jy’s nog ‘n ander Amerikaanse doos wat niks weet.
      Hierdie van ‘n mens wat in daadie twee plekke bly.
      Nie van die kop van dom ‘trailer trash’ Amerikaanse bliksem

  • victor67

    Did it ever occur to you Tom that Iran caused trouble for the US in Iraq and Afghanistan because of the crazies running US foreign policy at that time.
    Bush and his American imperialists were talking about an axis of evil. They had just invaded and occupied both neighbouring countries. It seemed they were on a crusade. Iran felt very scared they were next in line and was in their direct national interest to keep the Brits and the septic tanks bogged down in Afghanistan and Iraq.
    For a public school boy you come over as a bit thick really.

    • Malcolm Stevas

      Iran is a vile repressive theocracy.

      • Cobbett

        And Saudi Arabia is…?

        • Itinerant

          An alliance of absolute monarchy and a vile repressive theocracy.

        • jeffersonian

          Is silly whataboutery the only thing you have? You can criticise Iran without supporting the medieval barbarism that is Saudi. But perhaps that’s one mental jump too far for you?

        • … the source of DASH, ISIL through secret funding. Saudi Arabia also funds hard line deobandi mosques all over the west. If you want to know where the brand of Islam espoused by Anjem Choudhury comes from, look no further than the Saudi government. How we cosy up to the Saudi Royals and treat Iran as a pariah eludes me. Likewise with the Americans. George Bush facilitated the flights of bin-Laden family members out of the USA right after 9/11 when virtually all air traffic was grounded.

        • Malcolm Stevas

          Another one. Is this University Challenge?

      • victor67

        Iran is an unpleasant regime, one of many in that region including the colonizing settler state called Israel.
        The real enemy however is Sunni fundamentalism in the form ISIL that is sponsored by the house of Saud that we regard as an ally and sell billions of dollars worth of military hardware to.
        Its a funny old world really.

        • Malcolm Stevas

          I suggest your saying Israel is as unpleasant as Iran or Saudi shows a strange lack of balance, of awareness. Though I agree our relationship with KSA needs to be radically reconsidered.

    • Iran has very good reason to suspect that the UK and the USA are dangerous bullies that must be opposed. In 1953 – during my own lifetime, the UK connived with the USA to overthrow an elected Iranian government and impose a dictatorship by the Shah of Iran upon them. Reza Pahlavi, ran a torturing, dictatorship for thirty six years, disappearing any opposition and the excesses of his dictatorship directly led to the revolution in 1979 and the extremist, theocractic regime that followed. WE DID THAT, for our own financial interests. Mohammed Mossadegh, a leading secular, progressive politician and writer, a notable parliamentarian, was elected Prime Minister of Iran from 1951 – 53. He was overthrown by us because he had the audacity to require we pay a proper price for the oil we wanted, but we think that WE are the aggrieved party.

      This is the Iranian leader we got rid of:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Mosaddegh

      • Malcolm Stevas

        I tend to think “our own financial interests” are rather important. So is oil.

        • LittleRedRidingHood

          And there lies the problem.

          • Malcolm Stevas

            I cannot see how putting our interests before those of others can ever be a “problem”: it’s what people do. It’s normal.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            Our interest in someone else’s oil.

          • Malcolm Stevas

            Yes, quite. Your problem is…?

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            It hasnt worked very well has it.

          • Malcolm Stevas

            No? We’ve had rather a lot of oil – though it would be a good idea to work much harder at energy security, if our leaders could be persuaded to care more about such fundamentals, then we could leave the ghastly Middle East to its own devices.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            Let’s be honest once the Arabs realised they were being ripped off by the US, it was a downward spiral.
            But I agree the sooner we find an alternative to their resources the better.

          • WTF

            When you look at places like Dubai in the UAE, they seem to have done rather well living in a desert that can’t support life thanks to western oil purchases.

      • Gilbert White

        Iran was continually fighting with neighbours. It mostly lost throughout. We had to kick Mr. Woggies ass for him?

        • For one, I don’t think Iran was continually fighting with its neighbours and certainly not as much as we have been – and not just neighbours in our case – far from it. But don’t you think you undermine your case and respectability by calling Mossadegh ‘Mr Woggy? You think it right that Britain should seize control of a foreign nations assets, demand preferential rates, and overturn their democratic leaders when thwarted? Sounds pretty bad to me old chap.

      • WTF

        That region has been a continual source of conflict ever since Islam kicked off, the history of that region contrary to libturds didn’t start in the 20th century but 1500 years earlier.

        • This is true, but if you read what I said, you will see why in Iran there is great suspicion of the UK and USA. They don’t burn French or German flags in Tehran do they. Iran is not ISIL. If we had been saddled with a dictator and had a liberal intellectual democratic government deposed by a foreign power only sixty years ago, we wouldn’t have forgotten the perfidious people who did that for teir own financial gain either. Read about Mohammed Mossadegh and see who we took down and replaced with a murdering dictator who (as we like to say these days about such people) ‘murdered his own people.’ That phrase is the principal justification for our deposing Ghaddafi, Assad and Saddam Hussein, but WE put such a man into power in Iran in 1953. Google ‘Operation Ajax’.

          • WTF

            I know exactly why they don’t burn German flags and that’s because of the uranium processing machinery Germany has sold them. Islamic culture encourages and propagates corruption & barbarity and its hard to judge which Islamic regime is the worst. If it wasn’t for oil, they’d be in a far worse state than African countries, no food, little water, no money and still wandering around their desert regions on camels.

            I welcome the day the west finds alternative energy sources and we can leave them to their oil fields with no one to sell it to. That day will come and then the funding for Islamic terrorism will dry up.

          • Fritz123

            It was very German but created in Russia and later stolen from some very clever and very poor Pakistan student in Aachen who worked for some company in the Netherlands and had to translate Max Steenbecks invention into English. “Wow, what is that?” What did I overlook?

            And I prefer Iran over the Saudis. There is a very fundamental difference between Sunnis and Shiites and maybe this difference matters most. IMHO Iran and Israel that happens to be in that region of the world are natural friends. They just dont know it. Lets kick the Saudis into the sea.

          • Fritz123

            It was very German but created in Russia and later stolen from some very clever and very poor Pakistan student in Aachen who worked for some company in the Netherlands and had to translate Max Steenbecks invention into English. “Wow, what is that?” What did I overlook?

            And I prefer Iran over the Saudis. There is a very fundamental difference between Sunnis and Shiites and maybe this difference matters most. IMHO Iran and Israel that happens to be in that region of the world are natural friends. They just dont know it. Lets kick the Saudis into the sea.

    • Gilbert White

      You do not mention the Iranian forced child mine detonators. They had a Taiwanese made key to paradise around their necks as they advanced through the mine fields. Third worlders have turned our advanced world in to a cesspool?

      • BritishPatriot

        Shades of the Red Army, which notoriously used local villagers and glasshouse inmates in a similar role.

  • smoke me a kipper

    If the Leader of the most militaristic nation in the World, the only country to have used nuclear weapons against civilians, the country that has invaded two of your neighbours describes you as an axis of evil, what would you do?

    • Malcolm Stevas

      You might not like the USA – well, it’s clear you really don’t – but your hyperbole is beyond absurd. We are fortunate that the USA remains willing to act as world policeman, rather than some other country such as Russia, Iran, or N.Korea…
      As for nuclear weapons, most people in the West who know anything about WW2 and Japan’s actions, let alone men in this country and the US who fought in the Pacific & Far East, are very glad the war was brought to an end so abruptly with two nukes. The Japs really had it coming.

      • Cobbett

        ”The world’s Policeman”? That’s a joke.

        • jeffersonian

          I’m sure you’d be more comfortable with the People’s Republic or Russia playing that role.

          • I doubt it, but having one sort of bully wandering the world doing what it wants in its own interests or what it thinks are its interests is not made OK because someone points out that there are other bullies that are even worse, or might be.

        • Malcolm Stevas

          Actually it’s a fact. Read a book or two, and keep up.

        • SOLTHREE

          “That’s a joke.”
          Coming from a Brit and their military, that is a Joke.

          We should pull back our military and let the Brits handle everything in the world. LMFAO!!

          • Cobbett

            A Yankee troll…how boring.

          • SOLTHREE

            Whatever you say Poodle.

          • Cobbett

            Just because you support ‘white’ disenfranchisement(current US establishment policy) doesn’t mean I’m going to agree with you does it?

          • SOLTHREE

            Poodle

          • SOLTHREE

            What you said made no sense whatsoever.
            Doesn’t change the fact that your military is no where near Americas’ abilities. That’s why it’s a joke. Poodle.

          • Cobbett

            It wouldn’t to you…like I give a toss for defending America’s hegemony(or even for Britain)

          • SOLTHREE

            “…like I give a toss for defending America’s hegemony(or even for Britain)”
            Wasn’t asking you to.

      • smoke me a kipper

        So if the leader of the World’s most militaristic nation who has invaded two of your neighbours describes you as an axis of evil, what would you do?

        • Malcolm Stevas

          Tendentious: your depiction of the USA is grotesque fantasy. Perhaps you’re a Corbynista. And the USA has not invaded any of our neighbours – well, not since 1944, and most of us think that was a good idea. If the US were to invade belgium tomorrow? I’d have to think about that.

          • smoke me a kipper

            The point is Iran is faced with an aggressive militataristic nation that has invaded two of its neighbours. How would you expect them to react. Step into their shoes for a moment

          • Malcolm Stevas

            No, I’m not interested in their shoes. Persia is an ancient country with a rich heritage (I’d love to visit Persepolis) but our interests, and those of our close allies and people like us, must always come first.
            Iran is on record (as are other ME countries) as wanting to obliterate Israel and the Jews. Israel has never expressed any similar wish for the Arabs or Persians, and never shown any sign of being prepared to.

      • We are only fortunate if we aren’t Palestinians or any other folk who get in the way of their pet state, or even look like they might be making a success of anything in the region where Israel stole its country and ethnically cleansed the population. Israel operates openly racist policies. It defines people acceptable as migrants on race alone. — And don’t start with that trope that Judaism isn’t a race. You don’t have to believe in Judaism to become an Israeli settler – they define your right according to your antecedents – you need to be born of a certain sort of mother.

        • Malcolm Stevas

          If your assertions were correct – I express no opinion except to disagree with the general tenor – the facts would not bother me. Israel is no especial friend to us, but it’s the only parliamentary democracy worth the name in that part of the world, and does not threaten us. I think it unarguable that just about any Muslim/Arab state you can think of is far worse, and certainly would be in Israel’s shoes.

        • Mow_the_Grass

          Israel stole eff all.
          Jews have had an unbroken association and presence in the land dating back 3 thousand years (proven through archeology/science).
          Your friends (maybe family) ie the ‘Palestinians’ could have had a state by now – but it’s far better for them to play the eternal victim and at thre same time push the begging bowl under the noses of imbeciles such as yourself.
          Israel is comprised of people from many race groups – ranging in colour from black to pinky white (with all the colours in between) – so cut that line of BS.
          With regards ‘migrants’ – Israel believes that these people – many of whom are Muslim – should find a home in one of at least 22 arab/muslim states in the area – rather than come to the one Jewish state in the area/world.
          Now back to your knitting or whatever else you do – ‘pal/ette’

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            The Palestinians did/do have a state. Its called Jordan.

  • Cobbett

    Bollocks to the Gulf States and Israel. Let them fight their own battles without us.

    • jeffersonian

      Shortsighted much?

      • Israeli racism and oppression has been a catalyst for vile extremism for sixty years and more. Basing our foreign policy on supporting a state lead by a lunatic who just last week uttered a diatribe of revisionist nonsense, blaming Palestinians for Hitler’s monstrous policies revolts me and many others.As far as I can see, there are no clean states in the Middle East. EVERY single one of them is appalling, be they Sunni, Shia or Zionists.

        • Mow_the_Grass

          Not revisionist – fact.
          The Grand Mufti (arafat’s cousin) said to Hitler that he should not throw the Jews out of Germany/europe – because they would then seek shelter in the area of Palestine (area not country or state)
          Hitler then asked this arab what he should do with the Jews.
          ‘Burn them’ was the arab’s reply.
          Lech l’hisdyn briti matoomtam – and have a nice day

        • Toy Pupanbai

          Historical eye opener:
          ‘An honest Israeli Jew tells the Truth about Israel’. (Youtube.)

          Please do yourself a favor and view this presentation!

        • LittleRedRidingHood

          Have you never heard of the grand mufti of Jerusalem?
          Are you denying his links with Hitler?
          Are you denying the existence of the Muslim brigades in the SS?

  • kingkevin3

    ffs do you think we were born yesterday? The British state + Kissinger have been massacring innocents for centuries and you think the fucking Iranians are bad? Shut the fuck up and face reality you cretin.

    • investigator

      What a profound and informative comment.

      • Augustus Semper

        it’s the sentiment that counts.

        • jeffersonian

          Funny, I always thought it was the argument that counted.

  • Kasperlos

    To MP Tugenhadt: Same old story, different setting perhaps. Back a bit to Vietnam: Chinese, Russian, Czech, East German gear, ammunition supplied to North Vietnam which killed American troops. So here we go again. Yesterday’s enemy is today’s member of NATO, trading partner or Chancellor. And what about the dead and maimed soldiers? Just fodder for the great games. You’re now an MP and not in the Army. Think a bit: Britain and the West generally support odious regimes of the Middle East. Tehran’s regime is odious, but the same West is eager to do a deal for dollars, pounds, euros, krone, francs. The point is that being an elected representative of the people it’s indeed tough to look them in the eye squarely and say ‘you know if I placed it on a moral basis, I wouldn’t support any of these buggers.’ The next sentence probably starts ‘But…’

  • MickC

    The UK has no vital national interests in the Middle East. No UK blood or treasure should be expended there, not even “the bones of a single grenadier” as Bismarck said about the worth of the Balkans.

    • Richard Eldritch

      I think the worry is that unstable and messianic Islamist regimes, loaded with oil money could buy or develop Nuclear weapons. Now I know that this is an unpopular idea these days, mainly because we don’t think about nuclear war in the west anymore. However Nuclear proliferation has to be one of the greatest challenges of the Age.

      • MickC

        That may well be the case, but the UK cannot do anything about it. Indeed we are supporting the US policy which is itself supporting messianic Islamist regimes via Saudi Arabia, a catastrophic policy.

  • Frank

    Fairly childish article. Any snap-back on Iran is likely to take the form of cruise missiles rather than sanctions.

  • Abie Vee

    And not a mention about Israels weapons of mass destruction. Nor, for that matter, The Mossad’s assassination squads. A classic case of LOOK… over there everybody!!!

    • LittleRedRidingHood

      Oh do pipe down. I wonder how you would react if you were under siege from the moment you were born to the moment you died, surrounded by people who want to kill you.

      • Abie Vee

        I’m hardly responsible for the abortion that is Israel, nor for the Zionist’s paranoia. At every twist and turn of their short blood-stained history, Israel has opted for territorial expansion in exchange for peace.

        • LittleRedRidingHood

          Have they? I must have imagined that they were attacked by several armies the moment the Israeli state was formed. And before you get onto he plight of the Palestinians the majority of them weren’t local either. You have Egypt to thank for their current situation.
          Please don’t hide your anti Israeli sentiment, led it all pour out. Seems to be fashionable at the moment.

          • Abie Vee

            Spare me the schoolboy narrative willya. And get it right, I’m deeply and profoundly anti Zionist, not anti Semitic (a misnomer in any case, since the Palestinian people themselves are Semitic people). Judaism is one the the worlds true great religions, which has a history going back 3000 years; Zionism, meanwhile, is the b’stard offspring of a 19th century hallucinatory piece of faux theology and a vicious ideology which asserts that God is in the real-estate business. Zionism corrupts Judaism.

            In March 2002, the 22 members of The Arab League acknowledged Israel’s right to exist in peaceful harmony with her neighbours. In the following month The Organisation of The Islamic Conference, 57 member states, concurred with the League’s offer.

            The offers were conditional upon Israel’s acceptance of UN Resolutions 194 and 242 and within the pre-1967 borders.

            The choice is Israels; she can have peace or territorial aggrandisement. At present she prefers perpetual warfare. Israel could win, win and win again. She could carry on “winning” until her last breath… in effect, winning herself to death.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            Schoolboy narrative, good one.
            Do you honestly believe if Israel conceded to the U.N. resolutions and the 1967 borders they would be left in peace.
            You know as well as they do that would never happen.
            There is no solution to this mess. If a two state solution is brokered it will not be enough for either side. Neither side really want peace. Its a viscious circle that will not end until one side wins outight or they both destroy each other. They’d had pogroms against each other for a century before the birth if the Israeli state. The hate runs deep from both sides.
            I
            By the way I don’t care much for Zionism, but I care little for Islamism, socialism and multiculturalism as well…. ‘isms’ are generally bad.

          • Abie Vee

            Indeed I do believe it. There’s no other way to procede. Soon ISIS will come a-knocking on Israeli doors. Not a pleasant thought. However, unless and until the Zionist gangsters make peace with their Palestinian cousins, Israel is doomed to a state of more or less perpetual war. What a prospect for their future generations, eh?

            You don’t sit down and make peace with your friends; you sit down and make peace with your enemies.

          • WTF

            As two world wars taught us in Europe in the 20th century but not evidently you, firstly you win the war then you negotiate the peace ! Unfortunately for Israel despite winning the unprovoked attack on their country, most Muslims just want to eradicate Israel and all Jews whether moderate or zionist.

          • Abie Vee

            Unlike you, I can’t speak for “most Muslims”. But as I have stated above, I do know the terms of the Arab League’s peace offer in 2002, subsequently ratified at the time by the 57 member states of The Islamic Conference and Hamas.

            In reality the Palestinians have not altered the basic position they have held since 1993: a two-state solution, with a non militarized Palestinian State along 1967 borders and a pragmatic solution to the refugee problem.

            Plucky little Israel finds this even to much to bear. And why wouldn’t it? The core principle of Zionist mumbo-jumbo for over a century has been to “redeem the land”. The principle lies behind the sinister central theme of the Zionist movement:”transfer”… that is, putting it bluntly, the deportation of the entire indigenous population to somewhere else so as to redeem the land for its true owners who are returning after a short break of 2000 years or so.

            Their God, apparently, is some kind of Estate Agent.

          • WTF

            The lies you propagate defy description.

            The 2002 peace offer you refer too was only a call for peace rather than any agreement but unfortunately it failed to call upon the Palestinian terrorists to agree any peace in exchange for Israeli concession. Consequently it was a non starter as it didn’t include both of the combatants ! Hamas was supposed to have been dismantled but as we know they ran the country then as now.

            http://www.al-bab.com/arab/docs/league/peace02.htm

            Subsequent to this in 2007 Hamas were alone in rejection a further peace conference from other Arab states and considering they are the ones attacking Israel it makes your comment ridiculous. Hamas wants the destruction of Israel and will not make any concessions at all, its that simple.

            http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hamas-shocked-by-arab-peace-summit-backing/

            You must get your facts out of your head as they certainly aren’t documented anywhere else. Dementia takes many forms !

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            Hamas do not understand the concept of peace. They are as bad as Israel on your terms, using their own people as pawns in their war. One thing is for certain. If IS did come knocking on the door of Israel the IDF would not pussyfoot around. Hamas, Fatah and maybe even Hezbollah will align with IS with a common goal to eradicate Israel. If they succeeded IS would then turn on its “allies” and neutralise them.
            Therefore the only recourse would be for Israel to obliterate IS with uncompromising and brutal force…. And they would!

          • Abie Vee

            Leaving aside your regurgitated Zionist propaganda and schoolboy braggadocio for a moment; Hamas also agreed to the terms of The Arab League’s peace offer in 2002.

            What good did America’s “uncompromising force” do them on 9/11? Indeed, what good did Germany’s mighty 6th Army do them when it came to fighting rattenkrieg in the rubble and sewers of Stalingrad.? What good does Israel’s uncompromising force do them on a rush-hour bus in Tel Aviv ?

            Peace is the only way out of the corner into which the Zionists have backed Israel. There is no other option. Peace or war without end… that’s all there is.

          • LittleRedRidingHood

            You’ve no idea what I look like in shorts so enough with the childish remarks. It demeans you.

            I’m sure they did accept the terms, but Israel rejected them, just as Hamas rejected the revised Arab league plans.

            http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/05/201353144052527593.html

            It’s not clear cut is it!

            Peace maybe the only way but it is unlikely peace with ever break out.

            There is deep ingrained hate on both sides. The current random stab attacks by teenage boys highlights how brainwashed these people are. I hope you’re not suggesting such attacks would cease if there was agreement in the peace process, because it won’t.

          • WTF

            “In March 2002, the 22 members of The Arab League acknowledged Israel’s right to exist in peaceful harmony with her neighbours.”

            Brave words indeed but a shame it was never communicated to that terrorist group Hamas who control Palestine. Funny how you managed to forget that ‘minor’ detail !

          • Abie Vee

            I didn’t forget it. I hardly thought it was worth mentioning since they were not in political power until 2006.. Whether they still do, after all they have suffered since, and riven by faction, I can’t really say. However In 2008, the Hamas leader in Gaza, Ismail Haniyeh, stated that Hamas would agree to accept a Palestinian state along the 1967 borders, and to offer a long-term truce with Israel. That’s basically the UN’s position too. And the Arab League’s. And the ICJ’s. And etc.

          • WTF

            Hamas were the ones committing terrorism against Israel despite not being in power but they subsequently crushed democratic elections and became a political force as well. Thats the reality and Hamas have never accepted they will allow a Jewish state to exist no matter what its size..

        • Mow_the_Grass

          Listen you moron – do you get paid to post garbage here.
          Israel has over the years traded back captured land ie Sinai peninsula – for peace.
          The only abortion that should have taken place here was shortly after mr vee inseminated whoever it was that spawned lil ‘Abie’
          That would have been worthwhile.

          • Abie Vee

            The legal status of the occupation of Palestinian lands and natural resources is not seriously in question. The illegality of the settlements has been accepted by the United Nations, the International Committee of the Red Cross, the states parties to the Geneva Convention and the International Court of Justice.

            Like all military occupations, Israel’s is founded on brute force, repression, fear, collaboration and treachery, beatings and torture chambers, and daily humiliation and manipulation. A repressive state system imposed by violence and atrocity.

            Having suffered such tyranny for themselves, it’s one of the great ironies of history to watch the Israelis behaving in like manner towards the Palestinian people.

          • WTF

            Whats your excuse then !

          • Abie Vee

            My my… all that comment and that’s all you got? Paf. Why do you bother?

          • WTF

            I thought it was about time I gave you a chance to produce some verifiable facts after all the ones I’ve supplied but that was foolish of me to think you had any.

        • WTF

          I doubt you’ve been responsible for anything in your miserable life based on your racism against Jews. Other than being a “race baiter” is there anything else you have you excelled in ?

          • Abie Vee

            Indeed… deflating wind-bags like you.

        • mony shlomo

          liar. israel gave back sinai to egypt for peace. gave gaza and part of west bank. what territorial expansions? u r an idiot. if israel falls, england is next, just because of the back wind muslim would feel.

          • Abie Vee

            You can’t kid a kidder. The settlers were shifted from Gaza, with offers of free homes and cash bribes, to the West Bank and East Jerusalem… that is to say, from one illegally occupied territory to another.

            Sinai? In 1971 Sadat offered a full peace treaty to Israel in return for Israeli withdrawal from the occupied territories, specifically the Egyptian Sinai. Golda Meir’s Labour government promptly rejected Sadat’s offer, preferring to expand into Sinai where troops under General Sharon were busy driving thousands of Bedouin into the desert and demolishing their towns and villages in order to build the all-Jewish city of Yamit along with kibbutzim and other Jewish settlements.

            Although Egypt’s offer was broadly in line with official US policy at the time, Washington decided to back Israel’s rejection of Sadat’s offer which in turn led directly and swiftly to the 1973 war, which was a close call for Israel, and the world!

            Finally, the Camp David accords of 1979, erroneously presented to the world as a triumph for US diplomacy, accepted the offer Sadat had made in 1971. So although the accords appear in history as a diplomatic triumph for Israel and the USA, Washington’s performance was a diplomatic disaster, causing immense suffering and the real danger of a global war.

    • WTF

      You poor delusional individual, you need educating in what WMD actually means as once more your aversion to facts and correct definitions has let you down.

      A weapon of mass destruction (WMD or WoMD) is a nuclear, radiological, chemical, biological or other weapon that can kill and bring significant harm to a large number of humans or cause great damage to human-made structures (e.g. buildings), natural
      structures (e.g. mountains), or the biosphere.

      In mankind’s history of warfare we can probably say that the first instance of WMD was poisoning water wells by Vlad the Impaler in the 5th century in his fight back against Muslim invaders. The next WMD was probably mustard gas use first by Germany against British & Canadian forces in WWI, Following this the two nuclear bombs exploded over Japan in 1945 could be considered to be WMD as well. The 1st and 3rd use were in response to unwarranted attacks by an aggressor, Muslims and Japan and the other 2nd as a first use attack by Germany.

      Its pathetic , laughable and a rediculous conflation to put spying in the same category or even to imply that Jews or Israel has used WMD against anyone when Jews were murdered by gas chamber WMD’s in their millions. Since WWII, its Islamic regimes like Saddam Hussein who has used gas WMD against civilians and indeed Assad in Syrian along with suggestions that ISIS has also used WMD.

      You’re talking out of your a** once more and baiting others with your ridiculous BS that for ever is unsubstantiated. Put your head back where it belongs where the sun don’t shine and do us all a favor.

      • Abie Vee

        Once again the narrative runs away with you.

        • WTF

          Its tough isn’t it when you can’t dispute my fact laden posts !

          • Abie Vee

            You call that rant factual? Good grief.

          • WTF

            Just google it and you’ll find it to be factual or are you that dyslexic when it comes to using a mouse as opposed to your keyboard created racist rants !

            Heres one link that your ISIS mates enjoy or perhaps you’ve already contributed to the content !

            http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-releases-first-hebrew-video-threatening-to-kill-all-jews-in-israel-for-crimes-against-a6705996.html

            Google and other search engines create all these great sources of easily obtainable verifiable facts that I’ve posted but instead of taking the effort to source counter arguments, liberal dip-sh**s like you refuse to look for the truth.

          • Abie Vee

            Your conceit and self deceit are apparently bottomless pits. Concerning the global population decline, there is no counter argument to be had.

            As for your other garbage I have neither the interest, the time nor need to Google any of it.

          • WTF

            Scared of the truth ?

          • Abie Vee

            What would you know?

          • WTF

            Apparently a lot more than you as I research my facts and post their sources which is something you have failed to do consistently.

          • Abie Vee

            Liar. I’ve pointed you in the direction of 14,800,000 pages supporting my proposition which shows, contrary to your frantic hysteria, that world populations are in decline.

            It’s hardly my fault that your fear halts you from investigating the truth for yourself, now is it.

          • WTF

            And the sad b****** can’t even post one URL !

            Just a thought, you do know what a URL is I suppose ?

          • Abie Vee

            Take you pick fool bwoy. I’m not your secretary. Educate yourself.

      • peter6218

        put your specs on and actually read the comment it consists of three sentences.

        the reference was to Israels nuclear arsenal .

        http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/15/truth-israels-secret-nuclear-arsenal

        • WTF

          I suggest you put your specs on and read that dip-s***s post. He said “Israels weapons of mass destruction” clearly implying in his usual racist & bigoted fashion as a Jew hater, that Israel had used WMD. Israel just like the UK has nuclear capability but has never used it in anger, its a last resort defense system.

          Having some nuclear warheads which many countries have these days does not mean they will use them because of MAD. However I’m not sure that’s the case with Islamic countries that have a propensity of suicidal attacks as they don’t have any value for human life starting with their own people.

          Islamic countries have used WMD, Israel has not, that’s the difference.

          • peter6218

            Using ad hominems doesn’t help you I am afraid. The writer doesn’t ” imply ” that Israel has used WMD. Read the response again . That it possesses WMD is well known . It gives it the ” Samson option ” . ( look it up if you haven’t heard of it )

          • WTF

            Yes I heard of it ages ago and for a very small country surrounded by Islamic regimes that wish it removed from the face of the earth, their approach is warranted. Its similar to those of us that would rather die standing than give in meekly to an Islamic take over of the world.

            Jews have just cause to be worried about their security after the holocaust and given the many subsequent attempts by Muslims to destroy them. When or if it happens and there is no other choice, they wont go down passively but will use that nuclear option. Islam doesn’t care about human life so the loss of a million or so Muslims is immaterial to that religion. They’ll be rewarded in heaven with 72 virgins for each male although the women being worth only half as much will be abandoned.

            As for that “writer” everyone who posts here knows exactly where that piece of racists excrement is coming from even though he refuses to spell it out. He’s a ‘race baiter’, pure and simple with zero facts to back his position and a refusal to provide any.

          • peter6218

            Can you explain then, if as you say Jews have good reason to fear an ” islamic take over ” that so many Jewish groups in England are so keen to bring so many to this small island ? here is a list to help you ;

            http://www.supportrefugees.org.uk/about/

          • WTF

            Very easy –

            Liberals of any group in the UK are given media coverage way more than their numbers should dictate. Jewish liberals are very well placed in the elite establishment of the UK compared to say France and are hardly going to rock the boat given their positions of power. However, they are not representative of Jews in the UK as a whole just as Nick Clegg wasn’t representative of the country either. BTW – Is he still around ?

            Additionally Jews are not being targeted by Muslims in Britain by and large unlike France so its not an immediate threat. Ask Jews in France what they think and 75% are looking to leave after that Jewish Deli shooting by Muslims. Quite the different picture to the UK now at least on the surface.

            http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-News/Poll-Three-out-of-four-French-Jews-mull-leaving-France-352779

            However, in the UK, a liberal is a liberal no matter what their religion and they all have s*** for brains like that AV racist and if Sharia law looked like it was coming in, ‘generic’ liberals along with liberal Jews at the front will be the first to run off to their bolt holes and live off the money they have already squirreled away outside of the country.

          • peter6218

            The ” Board of Deputies ” is ” proud to represent the community ” , It is aiding the largest group pushing for more ” refugees ” to be admitted to the UK . This is not a fringe group.

            http://www.bod.org.uk/

            maybe you could write to them expressing your concerns ?

          • WTF

            Many ‘focus’ groups make spurious claims but as we’ve seen the MCB does not represent moderate Muslims in the UK, CAIR doesn’t represent moderate Muslims in America and its a pretty fair bet that the “Board of Deputies” doesn’t represent most Jews in the UK.

            Sadly many people in western countries might naively believe that self proclaimed groups like these are representative of all they claim to stand for but as we’ve seen, they don’t.

            First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—

            Because I was not a Socialist.

            Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—

            Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

            Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—

            Because I was not a Jew.

            Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

          • peter6218

            ” its a pretty fair bet that the “Board of Deputies” doesn’t represent most Jews in the UK.”

            Wrong I am afraid ,

            ” The Board is the only democratically elected, cross-communal, representative body in the Jewish community. It comprises nearly 300 deputies directly elected by around 138 synagogues and 34 communal organisations, from youth movements, to social welfare charities and regional councils.”

            http://www.bod.org.uk/about-us/structure/

            Maybe you could write to them expressing your concerns ?

            I am not sure why you bring Niemoellers quote into your answer . The non sequitur is a form of questioning dodging .

          • WTF

            Just because Cameron was elected PM doesn’t mean that the majority of the country agree with him over mass immigration as Farage has proved. Similarly just because the Board of Deputies is elected it doesn’t mean that most Jews support its positions. Hitler rose to power due to German apathy at the polls and liberalism has achieved the same in the west and its only now people are starting to wake up and realize what it means to them.

            Those who ‘shout’ the loudest even if a minority will always be heard first.

        • BritishPatriot

          Come now, we’re supposed to pretend that plucky little Israel has no nuclear weapons whatsoever….

  • peter6218

    Mr Thomas Tugendhat got £ 2,000 for a four day trip to Israel last winter from the Friends of Israel Educational Foundation. He should be representing the people of this country not his overseas friends.
    http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/25374/thomas_tugendhat/tonbridge_and_malling

    • zoid

      any idea how much jezza got for shilling for tehran on presstv?

      • peter6218

        yes if you use the internet you can find out for yourself. Here is the link for you to make it easier for you.

        http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10133/jeremy_corbyn/islington_north

        the answer by the way is nothing.

        • zoid

          so he did it out of the kindness of his heart or because he supports tehran?…

          what’s worse, shilling for money or stepping up to support a regime which hangs gays from cranes and doing it for nothing?

          and yes, there is a whole internet out here, but why buy a dog and bark yourself?

          • peter6218

            No he did it because he thought that it was the right thing to do to explain his opinions. I am not sure what shilling means ; is it an English word ?

          • zoid

            supporting a regime which has trained and funded terrorists worldwide by appearing on a state tv propaganda programme was ‘the right thing to do’?

            well done jezza….man of principle….he likes iran because they fund his ‘friends’ in hezbollox.

          • haywardsward

            Lest we forget the Contras the U.S.-backed and funded terrorist rebel group that were active in Nicaragua from 1979 through to the early 1990s

            From an early stage, the Contrs received financial and military support from the United States government, their military Operations depended entirely upon such. Following thee banning of support by Congress, the Reagan administration continued to give covert support which led to the Iran–Contra affair.

            Which later led to the ICJ judgement against the USA in Nicaragua v USA

          • Fritz123

            But the joke was that they did fight on their own. See also the Taliban. Who look good and are probably very nice. It was not an international conflict in our language. Wasnt it? The US did intervene illegaly but this is something else.

          • zoid

            supporting a regime which has trained and funded terrorists worldwide by appearing on a state tv propaganda programme was ‘the right thing to do’?

            well done jezza….man of principle….he likes iran because they fund his ‘friends’ in hezbollox.

  • WTF

    There are two far more important sources of danger to the west before looking at Iran and they are our own home grown Jihadists and the libturds that provide a safe haven through multiculturalism and political correctness. Nail these two hidden threats that are a growing cancer in the west and the threats from Iran will much more easily contained as our focus will only need to be on Iran.

    • Davedeparis

      Very well put.

    • BritishPatriot

      Plus Saudi Arabia is a much more clear and present danger to the West, given its bottomless bank accounts and its funding of terrorists all over Asia.

  • BritishPatriot

    One wonders how much Tom Tugendhat received for this piece from the Saudis…

  • Skridlov

    I once saw a Saudi spokesman on the box describing Iran as “the head of the snake”. How I laughed, coming as it did from a representative of the disgusting, vicious, hypocritical, autocracy responsible for infecting much of the Islamic world with the vile Wahabi cult. There has been an unremitting covert and overt war waged against Iran ever since the overthrow of the Pahlavi kleptocracy. The people of Iran certainly didn’t deserve the gloomy theocracy inflicted on them even if the experience of the Pahlavi regime made them initially willing to accept almost anything else. The gulf states and the Saudis are terrified of the inevitable reaction that they’re one day going to have to face in consequence of the repression of their Shia subjects. So now we have a devastating war in Syria as part of the same process and a truly unholy alliance of interest between Saudi and Israel.

    • Jackthesmilingblack

      “the head of the snake”

      Arab invective, gains sonething in the translation?

    • Fritz123

      They suppress everybody. For Sunnis this is ok and Shiites say no. This is the basic difference between the two branches of Islam and IMHO Shia is better. In Iran they discuss everything each day.

  • zoid

    good article.

    and good to see that it’s made the israel haters wet their knickers.

    • Abie Vee

      Dream on void… dream on.

      • zoid

        take your hands out of your pants.

        • Abie Vee

          Yuk… not ANOTHER mucky little schoolkid troll on this site. What is it coming to eh? I suppose you can’t go out to play with your chums because of the rain.

          • zoid

            oh you silly sausage….probably a cocktail one at that…

          • Abie Vee

            stupid boy.

          • zoid

            but still intellectually head and shoulders above you.

          • Abie Vee

            Well there’s no evidence of that. Did your Mummy tell you that dear, or are you hiding your light under a bushel (look it up)?Take no notice dear, she was just being kind to her little retard.

          • Fritz123

            In your opinion.

          • zoid

            whatthef’ckever brother…

          • Fritz123

            You are very fast…

    • Fritz123

      Israel does not know its real interest anymore. Israel needs strong and sustainable friends in the region and I would prefer mind and chess over some rich pearlsdivers.

      • zoid

        israel knows it will never have friends in the region and it knows that it can’t trust any of its neighbours, no matter what they say…

        as for the last part of your second sentence, i can’t figure that out for love nor money. unverstaendlich.

        • Fritz123

          Ok, Israel cannot take the risk of making any mistake. And states have interest and not friends. But Israel and Iran have very strong common interests as well (IMHO).

          • Hamburger

            Iran does not think so.

        • Fritz123

          In Europe the answer to two world wars was the EU aka a strong interconnection of the economies that was believed to make wars inpossible. Israel and its neighbors could create such bonds as well. Let them grow. Maybe such bonds are still weak in Europe, the raise of the Nosayers etc, but those bonds are a reality and whatever they did in the last years, maybe the Euro was too much, the idea was generally good. Create some winwinsituation with Iran. There are old links. And Iranians have a very deep sense of history beyond all believes and the politics of today. All exiles were on the side of Iran when it came to that war with Iraq, for example. You know what I mean. And intelligent friends are better than stupid ones. Israel and Iran could rule that region together and there could be an Esra festival each year one year in Iran and the next year in Jerusalem. I dont see any alternative when the day is over.

          • zoid

            israel will never be able to form such ties whilst the rest of the region clings to a religion whose unchallengeable book tell them to kill all jews…

            even if it does form such ties and builds on them, it will always have to be wary of that book and what it tells its followers to do…

            i too have often thought that israel and iran have more in common than the rest of the region….neither share the predominant language or culture of the region, both have proud cultures which pre-date the birth of islam and sunni islam would wipe both out given the chance.

  • haywardsward

    May I suggest for further reading “Buda’s Wagon : a brief history of the car bomb” by Mike Davis.
    In particular Chapter 13 entitled “Car Bomb University” This “institution” based in Pakistan was mainly funded by the Saudi GDI run by Prince Turki bin Faisal, with some funding and much “expertise” from the CIA. The Pakistani ISI was responsible for the overall “mujahadeen programme” At “Car Bomb U” they were trained by CIA operatives whose experience came from their work in Viet Nam and other parts of Indo China, Central and South America and Europe. They were instructed in the construction and use of pipe bombs, IED, VIED and even camel bombs! The “institution” was never part of the Usama bin Laden/al Q’aida network and was still running in the mid 1990s.
    These devices were then employed to attack the USSR Forces in Afghanistan. The USA was determined to create, for the USSR with its military adventure in Afghanistan, a situation anomalous to that of the USA with its own military adventure in Viet Nam.
    What happened with the Iraq Fiasco, following the illegal invasion and occupation of that country, is known as blowback in the lexicon of intelligence, espionage and strategic studies. Chalmers Johnson wrote about this with “Blowback: The Costs and Consequences of American Empire (2000, rev. 2004”).
    For Reagan’s “brave freedom fighters” are suddenly the Sunni Wahabi-Salafi “terr’ist” who brought their skills and training to the Iraq Fiasco. They were only too happy to attack the Coalition invaders as well as the majority Shi’i, whom they regarded as heretics.
    What is now happening in Afghanistan is just a continuation of “Blowback”

  • Toy Pupanbai

    ‘Germany and others have already made their choice and leapt into Iranian markets. But we in Britain, with our deep historic links to the Gulf, must be prepared to challenge Iran for any breach if Tehran reverts to type. That would reinforce the relationship of trust that David Cameron built with our Gulf partners in the early days of his premiership’.

    Did Cameron actually do something useful; for us, I mean?
    Good old Britain, ethics before trade!

    • Fritz123

      But the better ethics would be to love Iran.

  • thomasaikenhead

    He just doesn’t get it, does he?

    The UK is thoroughly sick of seeing gung-ho politicians and vested interests squandering blood and treasure in petty, personal military ventures that have absolutely nothing to do with protecting British lives or British interests.

    The total absence of any real strategy in places as far afield as Libya, Afghanistan and Iraq have resulted only in failed states, massive civilian casualties and a tidal wave of illegal migrants flooding into Europe.

    Anarchy reigns at Kings Cross station and Calais, Operation Stack causes Kent to grind to a halt on a regular basis, Libya is a springboard for illegal migrants thanks to the flawed Anglo-French intervention and concern over yet more mass immigration is driving the rise in those who will vote No to the EU.

    Tugendhat needs to reflect more on the failures and shortcomings of British policies and strategies than fret about Iran and its activities?

    The P5_1 deal was attempt to resolve a tense and potentially dangerous situation by diplomatic rather than military means and so far certainly looks better than any ‘military option’ to contain Iranian nuclear activities.

    • sussexoracle

      He does get it, doesn’t he? He got a free all expenses trip worth £2000. Must have been a good trip for four days. Doubtless he was ‘briefed’ and introduced to some interesting people.
      But he’s selling himself short. Some US senators and congressmen get much, much more. He needs a new agent.

    • jeffersonian

      ‘The P5_1 deal was attempt to resolve a tense and potentially dangerous situation by diplomatic rather than military means and so far certainly looks better than any ‘military option’ to contain Iranian nuclear activities.’

      Had you bothered to read some 20th century European history you would have learned that an appeaser is simply one, in the words of Winston Churchill, who feeds the crocodile in the hope of being eaten last.

      And the moral of the story is that he still gets eaten, even if it is last.

      • Fritz123

        What a kitsch.

      • thomasaikenhead

        The P5+1 deal is a fact, why not deal with it and move on?

        The deal was done, COngress refused to block it, it is now being implemented.

        Accept the reality that Netanyahu utterly failed, damaged relations between Israel and the US even more, ended bipartisan political support for Israel in the US and is now being ignored by all the P5+1 leaders!

        He got it wrong and now ISrael will pay the price.

        • jeffersonian

          Suggest you look up the term ‘useful idiot’ .

          • thomasaikenhead

            I am honoured and flattered that you put me in the company of the the Heads of State of all the majors powers plus Germany!

            You know, the states that formed the P5+1 group and decided not to repeat the mistake of Iraq but instead to adopt a diplomatic solution?

            It seems to be working very well so far, Congress refused to block the deal, all the states involved plus Iran are implementing it and peace has broken out.

            Of course, Netanyahu will continue his bad loser act but being the coward that he is, will only confine his public criticism to that of the US, he would never dare attack russia directly in public.

            As for China, well everyone has heard Netanyahu talk the talk about terrorism but when it came time to walk the walk he folded and refused to let Uzi Shaya testify in support of the families of the victims of terror and testify against a Chinese bank.

            Way to go Bibi, you can always be relied upon to collapse when put under pressure!

  • Fritz123

    I am very sorry, but this is war. And dont excuse it with any just cause in Iraq. What Iran did was nothing but the same we do in other countries and they had better reasons. Remember the war of Iraq v. Iran? With the UK on the side of Iraq? Not to mention other adventures.

    What you suggest is political kitsch. A history from last week. The bigger menu is Sunni v. Shia and only very braindead people would prefer the Sunnis. Only those who prefer fast money and forget the rest. Those who are a pain in the ass.

  • 22pp22

    B@ll@x. Let’s stay out of their affairs. This war has nothing to do with us. Keep out of their affairs and keep them out of ours.

    1). NO refugees.

    2). Sell to both Iran and Saudi Arabia.

  • Graham Thompson

    We’re already Saudi’s biggest arms supplier.

    What more can we do for the Sunnis?

    Do you want us to follow Petreus and arm Al Qaeda?

  • Sten vs Bren

    “Serving in the armed forces across the region, I learned how Iran spreads its malign influence”

    There is an unintentional irony in this comment.

    Iran’s forces have a malign influence on your forces? In a country that is neither the United Kingdom nor Iran. Hmm.

  • Sue Smith

    I’ve just seen a profound interview on Australian TV about the need for Islam to be radically revolutionized/modernized – a kind of Reformation to bring it into line with the secular modern world. They argue that Christianity went through the Reformation and the Enlightenment and survived but that Islam has not been through such a process.

    Both contributors to the discussion have written a book: Sam Harris and Maajid Hawaz, “Islam and the Future of tolerance: a Dialogue”. Both men, one a Muslim and the other an atheist, make a compelling argument about how the liberal left has contributed to the western censorship of ideas relating to the danger of Islam in secular societies and that the left and its “fellow travellers” have been driven by Noam Chomsky towards a cliff. It’s a very important discussion to have. These highly intelligent individuals have got it right on so many issues, including the reluctance of people like Obama to call out Islam and ideologies, fuelling much of the hatred in the word, for what it is!

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