Rod Liddle

Pig-ignorant click activists are in charge now. Jeremy Corbyn’s success proves it

The movement which is about to foist Corbyn on the Labour party is the same one that bullies the rest of the country

5 September 2015

9:00 AM

5 September 2015

9:00 AM

Daily they drop into my email account — alongside the more obviously useful stuff about how I might elongate my penis or ensure it performs with greater fortitude than at present, and the charitable offers from women who live ‘nearby your house, Roderick’ and apparently wish to test whether or not those previous solicitations I mentioned have been acceded to with success. Alongside all that stuff are the fecund exhortations from a bunch of online campaigning organisations. Click democracy, a sort of spastic form of activism whereby you stick it to da man simply by pressing a button. They come, these missives, from the likes of Change.org and 38 Degrees. Sometimes shrill, sometimes cloying, almost always stupid.

Click here to stop the Tories selling off our hospitals to their vile friends in the City. Click here to stop austerity right now. Click here to let everyone into the country and click here to stop us deporting Mohammed Jihadi al-Semtex, a really lovely bloke who somehow got stitched up by Cameron’s fascist goons. Oh, and the bees, the bees. The bees are dropping dead all over the place. Click here to save the bees. If you don’t save the bees your children will be next, etc. So click here. Put your name to the petition and make a bee happy today. It’s always from the maniacally obsessive, relentlessly involved liberal left, this stuff. Always. There is never a right-wing petition to be signed. You never get an offer which says ‘Click here to deport everyone and don’t let anyone else in’. Or ‘Click here to gas a badger’.

It was the same when Labour was in power, by the way — just in case you’re thinking that the one-sidedness of this activism is a function of us all writhing under the jackboot of a Tory government. There are no normal people at all in this online activism: normal people are all at work or down the pub. It is a tiny fraction of the population — I’d say much less than 0.5 per cent — and they are all psychotically furious about every-thing and think that you are scum. And they are winning.

I clicked once, incidentally — to my shame. Save the trees. Stop the Tories flogging off our woodlands to their vile friends in the City (who want the forests, I assume, to surround their recently acquired hospitals). I like trees, so I signed. I knew nothing whatsoever about the issues — what proportion of our woodlands were already in private hands, for example. But I signed — and reader, we won! The government dropped its plans to sell off the woodlands at least in part because of this petition containing the names of perhaps 150,000 pig-ignorant lefty click activists.


Believe me, they really are winning, these people. They have been empowered, you see. Vulnerable people who have been empowered. It may be that more than 99 per cent of the population disagrees with them and would like them to shut the fuck up because they are infantile and possibly mentally impaired. That doesn’t matter. He who shouts loudest wins. And they can shout.

What has happened in the Labour party is a microcosm of what is happening in society at large. The same people who wish to save the bees and halt the deportation of Mohammed Jihadi al-Semtex have been clicking away frantically in support of Jeremy Corbyn. And there is nothing the Labour party can do about it — because it was stupid enough to offer ‘membership’, and thus voting rights, for three quid to anyone who cared to sign up. Since it made this fatuous offer 42,550 people have joined.

A few hundred will have been those inspired by my colleague Toby Young’s mischievous and funny ‘Tories for Corbyn’ campaign. The rest are the mentals. Who else would join the party directly after its inept and staggeringly unsuccessful election campaign? Only the gibbering perpetual adolescents of the click-activism left. 42,550! About half as many as signed that save the bees petition. A huge number for the Labour party, but a drop in the ocean when matched against those who might vote for it.

Last week I met a woman who told me she had voted for Corbyn in the leadership campaign. She was a member of Southall Black Sisters — an organisation for which I have enormous, unfathomable respect, of course. Interested, I asked her what branch of the party she was in, as I am a Labour party member myself and enjoy jabbering about internecine Labour affairs, even with those who are likely to be my enemy. Branch? What do you mean, branch? I’m not in a branch, she said. I joined in order to vote for Corbyn. Paid her three quid, clicked in the relevant box and will presumably have no further association with the party.

I’ve had similar conversations with people on Facebook, all members of the ‘Jez We Can’ brigade who joined solely to foist the idiot upon us all. One of them even expressed disgust that I was allowed to vote, being a fascist — yeah, fair point. I’ve only been in the party since 1979 and spent all those hours leafleting and canvassing and sitting in horrible, badly ventilated rooms trying to stop my ward from endorsing Benn or Livingstone or, indeed, Corbyn. And paying my £13 a month subs.

Good, you might be thinking: you reap what you sow. The party deserves Corbyn. Well, point taken — perhaps we do deserve the bloke. But the movement which is about to foist Corbyn on the Labour party is the same one that bullies the rest of the country and actually manages to change government policy, despite being minuscule in number. It punches above its weight to an extraordinary degree. It is akin to the rest of us being governed by the green-ink brigade, the people who would write to newspapers convinced that there was a conspiracy behind everything. Well, the green-ink brigade is now running the show. Thank you, the internet.

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  • dcomplex

    Oh Mohammed Jihadi al-Semtex, the Community Leaders Who Are Definitely Not Extremists will have you out in a jiffy with Jezzy in charge!

    *rolleyes*

    • Seax

      Smearing Corbyn just shows how afraid you are off a change towards fairness rather than austerity.

      What, exactly, do you expect to lose? My guess is money. It is always money for the right, regardless what they do to others to get it.

      • KingEric

        Yaaawwnn….another bog standard “if you’re being nasty to Corbyn you must be afraid of him” post. Head up Seax, we’re not afaid of Corbyn, we’re happy to see him doing so well as we can all see what this means for the Labour party. Electoral oblivion.

        • Dicky14

          I’m buying T Shirts i’m bricking myself so much. To be fair though, I am a little afraid that the Tories may forget that they’re supposed to turn up for work once in a while.

      • dcomplex

        Haha, I’m anti-austerity myself, but Corbyn is a moonbat, totally barmy.

        You can be anti-austerity without advocating that the Bank of England monetize fiscal policy (Corbyn’s bizarre QE for the people idea) and without believing that the UK and US are the most evil countries in the history of the world. You can be anti-austerity without believing that we in the west are in any way responsible for the fact that Muslims around the world appear to have gone berserk (or even worse, like Corbyn, to excuse the and effectively condone the use of terrorism against us by our enemies).

        I’m somewhat sympathetic to Corbyn on his economic ideas (some of the more moderate measures he has suggested seem pretty appealing), but he’s a political extremist and a traitor in heart if not in deed.

        Which brings me back to Mohammed Jihadi al-Semtex…

        • Dr. Heath

          People’s Quantitative Easing is a sign of Bin Korben’s genius and his supporters’ mass imbecility. To dimwits, Corbynomics is a means whereby the UK’s government [I foresee, should the UK vote for a Dignitas-style exit in 2020, a Dear Leader type of rule with Bin Korben as caliph] can have both balanced ledgers and profligate state spending. I have no doubt that, were Corbachov to survive until May 2020 and find himself entitled to live in Downing Street [he wouldn’t as it’s more Right On! to turn down a free mansion with servants], he’d have the BOE’s computers generate an extra trillion or so in fictive sterling to transfer to the fictive binary digit reserves of our banks. Bin Korben’s genius, however, does not seem to have provided him with any plausible excuses for his siding with FGM enthusiasts, Kill All Da J**z fascists, I Love Pootler[‘s Moobs] groupies or proponents of further mass immigration. Dimwit followers, certainly, want the Corbynomics and the Art of Appeasement stuff. The mass of voters? Never.

          • dcomplex

            The right way to rebuild the British economy is to rebuild the Royal Navy and leave the European Union.

      • The Bogle

        What’s this great socialist myth about austerity under the present government? Didn’t you read last week’s editorial “Gamblin’ George”?

        Excerpt: “So far, he has been right. It has suited Labour to accuse him of harsh cuts, despite the fact that he has shaved just 2.9 per cent off state spending in five years.

        “Like a drunk holding 2 a.m. toasts to the notion of sobriety, the Chancellor salutes the notion of fiscal prudence while borrowing £190 million a day. He offers words of advice for politicians in Athens, while running up a deficit six times larger than that of
        Greece. This week, he said that the financial crisis was a reminder for all governments to put their financial houses in order — yet no one needs this advice more than him. The British government is still the worst debt addict in the continent.”

      • William_Brown

        Austerity?…There has been no austerity yet Seax, just quantitive easing. You’ll know if real austerity happens, as opposed to the current cuts in state spending of less than 3%.

      • wudyermucuss

        Fairness.
        Like Venezuela,Greece or one of the many wildly successful leftist states?
        Go on,do one,you lot have been rumbled.

      • The_greyhound

        What need to smear corbyn, when the senile old quisling stands whining that quoting his own words back to him is unfair journalism?

      • What ‘austerity’? You have no idea what austerity is. i can remember the period a few years after WW2 when we actually had austerity and food was still rationed. You people don’t know what you are talking about and are in the main utter buffoons.

        • WimsThePhoenix

          Austerity means no central heating, no colour tv, no car, no mobile phones and certainly no obesity.

        • The Bogle

          Indeed, and the Austerity Olympics of 1948 was something to be more proud of than the Extravaganza Olympics of 2012, which were both held in London.

      • WimsThePhoenix

        It’s always spending other people’s money for the left though, isn’t it?

        How much is it going to cost YOU, personally? What is the ethnic percentages where YOU live? How will it affect YOUR local NHS, schools, etc?

        Anyone who spouts “fairness” is an a3se. If the world were fair, we would ALL be able to be brain surgeons, we would ALL be athletes.

        The world is NOT fair. Get over it.

        • Tim Gingell

          The pursuit of equality and fairness means that many people don’t get killed in industrial accidents, and provides employment for thousands of legal personnel all over the country who would most probably disagree, even if the structures are there to provide a semblance of a level playing field. This is what socialism is all about – your philosophical position being the right of mob rule – hardly appetising.

        • Gill Simo

          NEVER…..The world is not fair. Get changing it.
          If the world weren’t unfair then there wouldn’t be so very, very, many of us ALL, screaming for the fairness that you so object to.
          Fair equals share. I don’t give a toss about how much it is going to cost ME….in bloody Stirling. It costs me dearly enough to witness one large, growing, section of this nation living in despair, whilst an equally large & growing section see fit to stamp them into the gutter…& with such damn pride.
          That’s alarming as much as it’s heart breaking ‘cos born a few years after the last war & dragged up in the ruins of East London, then as a kid I grew up listening ……& for all the endless discussions, over many a year, all I ever really took in was the mantra, re the Holocaust & the war in general “We must never allow this to ever happen again”
          For my part I grew up utterly puzzled as to how it could ever have been allowed to happen in the first place?
          I can see my departed gran & granddad across from me strongly, right now as I type…..and they display a look that says a thousand words.
          Like….you know which side of the line you stand son. Stand firm….& never (like so many here) ever, ever….. get over it.

  • artemis in france

    Rod, I see why you’re annoyed at your Party being hijacked all because of Ed M’s stupid initiative, but really you know that Corbyn will implode. The silly people voting for him will lose interest when they realize they’ve got another 3 and a half years of his ravings before there’s any chance he could become PM. By then Britain will have more problems with immigrants and perhaps domestic terrorism (though I hope not) and tensions will be so high that Corbyn’s daft views on migrants will be even less popular. Like Michael Foot, his tenure will be short. You can then reclaim your party, by which time no doubt the three quid idea will have been dropped.

    • Seax

      The people want change that will ensure that they are not doomed to suffer ‘more of the same’

      if you have to eat in restaurants, because you have no choice, and all they serve is cold cabbage at £30 a plate* then if one dares to offer steak pie at £5 each then will you stick with the cabbage?

      Or is giving people wholesome, tasty and inexpensive food heresy?
      ………………………………………………………………………………………………………
      *Of course, the restaurant owners drive expensive sports cars and have luxury pads.

      • dcomplex

        Are there bombs in the steak pies?

  • Jugurtha

    It is entirely possible to be a ‘nice’ person yet, morally and ethically, an imbecile. This is the message I take from the Corbyn episode.
    It is also possible to be operationally astute yet a strategic moron.

    • Tim Gingell

      It is entirely possible for the Conservative cabinet to sound plausible, yet act like a bunch of pychopaths. It is entirely possible to be financially incompetent and yet still be the Chancellor of the Exchequer. It is possible to to forget which football team you support when you’re trying to come over as a normal guy.

      • Jugurtha

        I’d respond to this reasonably except that you’re apparently someone who thinks the conservative cabinet can sound plausible. So instead I’ll just assume you don’t believe in God and refer you to GK Chesterton’s little maxim in such cases.

  • Seax

    Some people want other people to be silent and do as their betters tell them.

    • dcomplex

      Yes, I would prefer that you listen to your actual betters rather than to insane ideologues like Jezza.

      • Josh Danby

        Ironically it’s patronising opinions like yours which give him such a lot of support. There’s such a huge disparity between your hyperbole regarding the man and what he actually says, that by foaming at the mouth and pointing their fingers at all and sundry, people are really just exposing themselves as desperate ideologues themselves more than anything.

        • dcomplex

          With Corbyn the worst demagogue since Hitler.

          • RonnieTimewarp

            Surely that would – were it even remotely true – make him a good demagogue?

          • dcomplex

            Evidently. He is good at being a demagogue buf dangerous as all hell.

          • RonnieTimewarp

            I don’t think he’s half as dangerous as Cameron-Osbourne-IDS. There won’t be anything left to put in danger when they’re finished.

          • Tim Gingell

            Definition: a political leader who seeks support by appealing to popular desires and prejudices rather than by using rational argument. Obviously not true as he is, if anything, rational – this is just a clumsy slur made up because you have nothing to say.

          • RonnieTimewarp

            That sums Farage and Cameron up rather nicely.

          • dcomplex

            Please. Calling your political opponents warmongers for refusing to surrender to enemies while openly consorting with those enemies is precisely appealing to the popular desire for peace while ignoring the rational arguments of those who would oppose a surrender.

            Saying that asking questions about your association with and sympathy for said terrorists is a “smear job” by the “warmongering upper classes” is precisely demagoguery.

            JC is a demagogue. That’s totally obvious.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            No, you’re trying to paint him as one. There’s a difference.

          • RonnieTimewarp

            Nothing about him talking to the IRA, even planting the bombs himself whilst shouting for peace, would make him a ‘demagogue’ necessarily, your line of reasoning is amazing in its ambition. This is sophistry of the highest order. I salute you for that, at least.

          • dcomplex

            Corbyn is an IRA groupie and collaborator, but he is also someone who appeals to the distrust of government, finance, and business to push his idiotic brand of radicalism and treason.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            So you have no idea what treason is in the UK. And you have no idea what he said.

            Or what he thinks of the IRA, or…

          • dcomplex

            “levying war against the sovereign and adhering to the sovereign’s enemies, giving them aid or comfort”.

            Surely this describes Corbyn’s relationship with the provisional IRA, no?

            That comes from the definition of high treason.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            No. But thanks for that.

          • Pacificweather

            Well, no quite as dangerous as SO19.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Do you also burn flies for entertainment?

          • dcomplex

            No, I burn proles >.>

          • Tom Allalone

            Do you have them delivered or forage for them yourself?

          • dcomplex

            I have them delivered in posh limousines bc I am quite bourgeois. I also play polo on my family’s estate, go for a swim in our Olympic Pool, then relax on our glorious luxurious couch drinking wine you couldn’t hope to afford.

            Then I have my servants retrieve the proles to use as fuel in my castle’s stone hearth.

          • Josh Danby

            Dear God. Knocking Godwin’s Law of Nazi Analogies out of the park there!

          • dcomplex

            Hitler came to power because too many people refused to believe that he meant what he said. Corbyn is an ally of the terrorist international that seeks to dynamite the institutional pillars that hold up a liberal (not neoliberal) world order.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Ah, that conspiracy theory.

  • Tamerlane

    Same bunch that bullied Sir Tim Hunt. Grim.

  • Yorkieeye

    You’re in the Labour Party? Why?

    • Mhjames

      And he supports renationalisation.

    • RonnieTimewarp

      I think it’s like Dan Hodges, they join it so they seem more legitimate slagging it off.

      • Dr. Heath

        Dan Hodges is Glenda Jackson’s son. I don’t see him doing a tobyyoung on Labour. What is his status within the faith community now?

        • συκοφάντης

          That’s one h e l l of a failed attempt at a coherent post.

          • Dr. Heath

            I was asking whether DH is a member, still, of the Labour Party. What your post means, Sycophant, only a cryptologist would know.

          • συκοφάντης

            Then our feelings are mutual.

          • Dr. Heath

            τι είπες? [I think it’s almost the same in Ancient and Modern Greek].

          • Richard de Lacy

            Dan Hodges loudly announced his flouncing out of the Labour Party in response to Ed Miliband’s lack of support for Cameron and Obama’s plan to arm ISIS and bomb Syrian women and kids from a safe distance. All those clowns – from Hodges, to Toby Young, to William Hague – have gone a bit quiet on the issue. Maybe the jihadis did something un-PC in the intervening period, such as slag off the NHS or similar

          • Bob-B

            Cameron had no plans to arm ISIS or to bomb Syrian women and kids. He simply took the view that Assad should not be allowed to get away with using gas against Syrians. I wonder why you feel the need to make things up.

          • Richard de Lacy

            1. He just called ISIS the “moderate opposition,” which fooled no-one (bar a few anonymous Internet geeks, obviously)

            2. Russia offered to support a western attack on the Syria regime, provided the west supplied a scrap of reliable evidence. None was produced, of course, so it is obvious to everyone (bar a few anonymous Internet geeks, obviously) that the claims were less than honest.

            3 Don’t accuse others of sharing your dishonesty, anonyous little keyboard warrior. If you do “feel the need,” however, it would be wise not to accompany the abuse with the infantile crap you’ve posted about Syria.

      • WhiteVanMan

        If labour weren’t full of loonies we wouldn’t have to slag it off

        • Georgina

          White Van chappies also get a lot of stick, don’t they? Why would that be, now?

          • WhiteVanMan

            In Emily thronberrys case it’s snobbery

          • mdj

            Disdain for the working class.

        • RonnieTimewarp

          You are entitled to slag it off, but joining the party just to do so is pathetic, that’s the issue.

      • smspf

        And Ms Cooper is still really Mrs Balls.

        • Hermine Funkington-Rumpelstilz

          Millions of Labour voters will be too stupid to know this and just vote for her anyway. Quite staggering.

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          • dean

            Best comment on this page so far – thanks for the insight.

          • Neil Saunders

            Yes. Colleen certainly gets straight to the heart of the matter.

  • Frank

    Of course the media, eg the BBC and Channel 4, have nothing to do with giving an air of respectability to this group of nutters! Since the Labour party usually supports these hysterics, forgive us (the rest of the nation) for finding it very funny if Corbyn is elected!

    • Dicky14

      Ch4 News should change its name to Islington Today or something – it’s like a fanzine of things that don’t matter.

      • mightymark

        Ch4 News could not change its name because the only ones it could honestly adopt have already been taken by Al Jazeera, (Iranian) Press TV and the (Russian) RT.

  • FrankS2

    Easy virtue signalling – just click and forget!

  • Andy Hampshire

    I really don’t see any argument, as per usual, against the policies just sensationalist, attention seeking journalism. It is this, unsubstantiated, opinion based claptrap that is really helping the Corbyn momentum. So, not only does this ‘piece’ of yours Rod, come across as some sort of ignorant, elitist egomaniac but that you are stupid as well. A complete representation of the PLP as it wobbles.

    • The_greyhound

      “Corbyn momentum”

      a few maggots disturbing corbyn’s shroud isn’t momentum. A fossil borne aloft by a crowd of baboons to stupid to draw breath.

      • Andy Hampshire

        Not really sure what the response is to this – carry on as if you’re normal I guess.

        The rest of us will make pragmatic decisions on the policies represented – shame only one person seems to have any and any rationale behind them.

        • The_greyhound

          You weren’t expected to respond (not least because you are so very stupid) – you were meant to reflect on the truth that this is how the rest of the world regards your driveling, witless, traitorous, islamo-fascist friendly, anti-Semitic, holocaust denying moron of an idol.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            He hasn’t said he worships you. And you speak for yourself, not the “rest of the world”. Your truthiness…

          • The_greyhound

            Dribbling idiot.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            “Dribbling idiot.”

            Ah, the eloquence.

          • Pacificweather

            What Rod? How can you say that about him with a straight face?

      • Leon Wolfeson

        Keep lashing out at any kind of political opposition.

    • Baron

      You pen something like the Rod’s piece, Andy, and you get to be published, you pen a posting such as the one you just did, you’ll remain a nobody until you peg it.

      As the fluffy creature says: Simples, really.

  • robert mcpartlnad

    So anyone who signs a petition online is pig ignorant, but the guy who can’t figure out how to un-subscribe from an email list is a the man we should all listen to. Oh and getting penis enlargement emails is not standard, you must have given your address to a porn sight or something similar. Ironic that a journalist would complain about a small proportion of the population foisting their niche views upon everyone else.

    • The_greyhound

      Apart from your hysterical personal insults, did you have a point to make, however inadequately?

      • Andy Hampshire

        Irony alert! have you got a small penis by chance?

        • robert mcpartlnad

          Nope

        • Baron

          Wrong blog, Andy, try another one with ‘seks’ in the domain name.

      • robert mcpartlnad

        My point was that the writer of the piece is insulting people for signing petitions, but didn’t really seems to have any arguments as to why they are a bad thing, other than that they send him a lot of emails(which is easily fixed) then used that to launch an attack on Corbyn supporters. What exactly in my post was hysterical, or even an insult in your view? Do you have a point, am i wrong? Or are you just looking to argue with someone?

        • Baron

          Rod’s argument wasn’t probably simple enough for someone whose brain resembles that of a squashed ant suffering from advanced Alzheimer.

          Corbyn’s a loony, and it’s a bunch of loonies backing him, is that simple enough for you, robert?

          • robert mcpartlnad

            Insulting people is not an argument so far as I’m aware. At least not one that adults should use.

          • Not the BBC

            So your earlier response to Baron was a witty response?
            Get a life

          • bairite still shi**ing themselves at how so many people are ignoring their whining their support fot watered down toryism has sickened millions looking for real choice in british politics those who stand to loose influence/are being ignored are pretty pissed off about it while many real people are quietly amusedwhoever thought a man of principe would stir up such vitriol among the hasbeens

          • Baron

            That’s not a bad answer, sarntcrip, except that what Jeremy proposes is not the alternative we should go for, it won’t help, we must find something better. When the Mandarin speakers followed a similar agenda to Jeremy’s, over 1.5bn of them grazed to survive, after they switched to pure mercantile capitalism, after just over 20 years, only a half billion do.

            You what, want our children to graze?

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Except he’s proposing nothing like. And China is currently economically self-destructing, you might have noticed.

          • Knives_and_Faux

            A slow down in the acceleration of growth, is only ‘self destructing’ to a diseased mind.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Ah right, so to actually look at what’s happening in China makes you a “diseased mind”. All those diseased economists, politicans, statisticians, etc.

            The disease of truth, so dangerous to you…

          • Knives_and_Faux

            In your desperation you forgot to have an actual point, further confirming you are an actual retard.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Keep demanding you speak for me, as you chant “UR IDIOT”. Keep spewing at people like me who use facts, that evil disease of the mind!

          • Jonathan

            AS facts are never 100 % reliable. AS they are opinions. AS they exist in the mind of the user. AS there is an old saying who pays the piper calls the tune-AS it should be updated to He who most successfully defines the meaning of words and the terms of the debate, wins the argument

          • Leon Wolfeson

            No, that’s the call of Orwellians who want to destroy certainty and undermine facts.
            You don’t speak for me, period.

          • Jonathan

            you seem to think your sufficiently qualified to speak for everyone else mr leon (if that is your real name)

            Death and taxes are “certain” not much else

            If facts are certain why dont people agree what they are? Even scientists who are supposed to be highly intelligent, super-educated, rational and impartial…..are known to argue ad nauseam. They even made an industry out of it.

            YOU seem to be the one craving absolute “facts”…..but are unable to find them, because hoomanitty rejected the idea of there being absolute facts or truths, and prefers moral relativism instead. The best you can do is assert as forcefully as you can what YOUR facts are and hope that your opponent/enemies get tired, give up and capitulate.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Nope, I’m not your kind of collectivist
            (And this is a pseudonym, never pretended otherwise!)

            Plenty of the far right argue strongly against taxation, too.
            As you try and deny things happen, are facts, for your revisionist views.

            It’s also not surprising you have no idea how science works…as you try and claim to speak for yourself, Mr. Hoomanitty, and your tactics you try and spaff other others.

          • RonnieTimewarp

            You’re not terribly good at this, are you?

          • Knives_and_Faux

            You have no idea what you’re taking about.

          • RonnieTimewarp

            In this case I think I do – you seem to just insult people who are trying to engage in factual debate. Doesn’t reflect well on you. Try mixing them up, at least.

          • RonnieTimewarp

            I don’t think that comparison is relevant at all. Even if he wanted to implement that, he simply wouldn’t be able to. There’s quite a distance between Maoism and taking the British Railways back into public ownership.

            All he is suggesting, obviously distilled, is that those who can and those who should pay for the problems of the country, stop making the poorest and neediest shoulder it all, stop governing in hock to private business, and if we’re going to print money, spend it on services rather than simply giving it to banks.

            Now, whatever you might think of that, or him, it’s still a message which is going to appeal to a hell of a lot of people right now – and it’s not a message which was on offer to any extent at the GE, and (if he gets in) it’s coming from the leader of one of the only two parties which ever govern, which a lot of people once voted for, it’s not the gamble UKIP was.

            On another note, I think this is why the attacks on him, near-daily now from a generally right-wing press who also say he’s unelectable (makes you wonder why they devote so much time to him), are about things which cast him, fairly or otherwise, in a non-Patriotic light, rather than an economically-unsound one.

          • Baron

            A thoughtful answer, Ronnie, unfortunately there’s not enough time and space to answer in full, just a point on your “if we’re going to print money, spend it on services rather than simply giving it to banks”.

            Did it ever cross your mind that the money the banks have are the money of people like you, Baron, others? Leaving aside the banks capital (even that may be partly the money of the unwashed), it’s mostly the depositors’ cash the banks lend to individuals, companies, sovereign states, the banks call these loans assets, those who borrow it call it debt. To write these debts off would mean people like you or Baron losing their deposits, i.e. their savings.

            If that were to happen, will you meekly accept it, or will you again kick the banks for losing your savings?

            Btw, in what areas do we have chronic crises flaring over and over again? In the NHS, in schooling, and in policing, right?

            What do these three social domains have in common? They are run by the State, Ronnie. You want to add another one to the group?

          • richardvine

            Baron you need to go back to Banking School to learn how debt is created.

          • JimmyWall

            The chronic crises seem to flare up every time the tories get into power and cut the money to the bone, funny that.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            “Did it ever cross your mind that the money the banks have are the money of people like you, Baron, others?”

            That’s a small amount of it. And that cash isn’t what’s at stake.
            As you ignore why repeatedly cutting funding to well below the average spent in most first-world states might cause issues..hmm!

          • RonnieTimewarp

            Thanks for an equally thoughtful response.

            Firstly, I might add I was merely paraphrasing Corbyn, not advancing that as my own opinion. I don’t see your point as any reason why we should continue to give money to the banks in the manner we do – the cycle of bail-out, sell-off seems to benefit them a lot more than deposit holders. Private profits and public losses…if we are indeed going to print money, we implicitly admit that its worth is not tied to anything, so we can divert it to more beneficial ends. We don’t have to take any money away from them, just stop giving it to them, if we do have to nationalise a bank we should not fire-sell it the minute it looks like it might make a profit.

            We do have crises in those areas – we also have them in transport, energy, plenty of private or privatised services. It was only the Army stepping in at the last moment that stopped us being a laughing stock on the world stage when the company tasked with running the Olympics couldn’t actually be arsed to do it, or even let us know that it couldn’t.

            The point is, anything can be mismanaged. It’s a question of motives. Do you want a provider of essential services to be exist for its own sake, or for profit. Do you really want a hospital or care provider to judge you in terms of cost/benefit, when you are ill? State services are often poorly managed, this does not mean they’re better off in private hands, it means they’re mismanaged.

            I thought these false dichotomies were long discredited, so I hope Corbyn can put the last few nails in the coffin.

          • Pacificweather

            Yes please. I coughed my lungs up last time I was in Beijing. I liked the “pure mercantile capitalism” though. That was very good.

          • dean

            What he is offering, and what he can give are two different things, especially with the majority of his own party fighting him. But what is wrong with less austerity – people didn’t choose to be part of society, they were born into it – we can’t go out now and hunt/fish for our food or build a shack for shelter as these things are mostly illegal. Surely if the state is forcing you to be a part of society, then it has a duty of care to you as it provides no alternative. I don’t know whether austerity will work, or whether we need to spend more on state run projects to see a better return (though I do know the way that we pay for the railways twice is unsustainable), the point is, Cameron/Blairites don’t know either – we are relentlessly pursuing austerity cuts to the detriment of a huge section of the population yet the debt has still more than doubled. It’s simply an economic experiment and surely when there are real human costs and it is still showing no signs of improvement, then it is time to revisit the theory. Why let facts ruin a good narrative though eh?

          • JimmyWall

            Their influence is fading and they don’t like it one bit.
            We have put up with these lunatics and their loony policies for too long and it’s about time we had a leader who fights for us and not personal wealth or power.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Ah right, so you believe that a significant proportion of British people are loonies. Well, when are you leaving then, as of course you won’t want to be contaminated…

            And I’m sorry to hear about your Alzheimers

          • Kennybhoy

            “And I’m sorry to hear about your Alzheimers”

            Jesus wept… 🙁

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Taking his name is vain isn’t nice either.

          • The_Missing_Think

            Farage says you’re wrong, clever clogs:

            “Mr Farage added: “In Mr Corbyn, Labour finally has a potential leader unwilling to sign up to the corporatist, bullying EU agenda in the usual unquestioning manner which we saw from Blair, Brown and Miliband. Though I disagree with Mr Corbyn on virtually every issue, on this one issue of the EU I believe there may be common ground.”

            https://www.politicshome.com/party-politics/articles/story/farage-i-invite-jeremy-corbyn-join-me-making-my-case-against-eu

          • dean

            Yes, Corbyn’s a loony because the Telegraph and the Spectator told me so.

        • The_greyhound

          Why not insult the sanctimonious lame brains who sign on line petitions? Incapable of rational argument, devoid of any public spirit, absolutely unwilling to contribute anything to the causes they claim to espouse, these are the drones of public arena. And the parallel with the holier-than-thou hive minds of the corbyn phenomenon is exact – none of these people have contributed anything to the Labour Party (rather like their idiot idol) and none will (again, like corbyn).

          You may not like the fact that Mr Liddle has a right to question the moral superiority of these small minded humbugs, but you’ll just have to live with it.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Thats right, you’ll keep using your PC bigotry, as you label and try to dismiss people. As you make up nonsense about Corbyn.

            He’s proving his fear of this aspect of democracy, no more, as do you.

          • Pacificweather

            Mr Liddle has the right to make a living as a journalist. I believe the current termination for such a statement is “end of”. Feeding those below the line is just a bonus.

        • Sinceyouask

          Yes, you are wrong.

          I don’t think he is insulting people who sign and recruit to online petitions, only making the very reasonable point that the sample of people from whom those opinions are drawn are unlikely to be representative of the public at large.

          Of course he does so using his sarcastic and satirical style, but that’s why we read and like him, isn’t it?

          • robert mcpartlnad

            Here are some of the terms that the columnist used to describe on-line petition signers and the petitions themselves.

            Pig Ignorant

            a sort of spastic form of activism

            maniacally obsessive, relentlessly involved liberal left,

            psychotically furious

            infantile and possibly mentally impaired.

            gibbering perpetual adolescents

            no normal people

            I think most people would consider at least one of the above terms offensive, and so far as I can tell he did not specify those who sign petitions without researching them.

            You and I have very different ideas of what satire is supposed to be.

            Yes most of these petitions probably do not reflect the general public opinion, but that point can be made in a more intelligent way than just insulting people.

      • RonnieTimewarp

        What’s hysterical? Seems he makes a very good point to me.

    • Andrea

      I think he was making a joke about the adds.

      • robert mcpartlnad

        So we are to assume that someone who earns his living online cannot figure out adblocker, but has the gumption to call others ignorant.

        • Andrea

          No, I meant he made up the adds as a funny aside.

          • Ringstone

            All lost on the Constitutionally Offended.

          • John Standley

            Or SOTPO, as I call them: Society Of The Perpetually Offended.

          • robert mcpartlnad

            I think being called Pig-ignorant is legitimate cause for offence, I am not offended by that, but I would have a reason to be if I was.

    • Baron

      If that’s what you got from the piece, robert, you’ll be better off keeping quiet, taking up knitting.

      • robert mcpartlnad

        What a witty reposte.

        • Dan O’Connor

          I got as far as the Guardianista absolutist standard issue kit of

          . ” So anyone who … ”

          And then I thought, “oh fekk here we go again “

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Well of course, you go again, stopping reading and showing your collectivism and political correctness.

          • Enea

            you should have read further on, it’s a pertinent comment! I mean, we all know why we get those emails… 🙂

          • P_S_W

            Why do you get them?

          • RonnieTimewarp

            If you can only be bothered to read the comments you already agree with you’re not going to be very open to new ideas.

        • vieuxceps2

          Well,seems it beats yoursout of “site”

        • Darnell Jackson

          It made me laugh

        • TomV

          nope, the response was ok & well deserved 🙂

      • Purple Commoner

        What an odd view expressed by you here.

    • rtj1211

      Actually, you can have given your email address to almost anyone who sold it to someone else who sent you spam. Or you can be friends with someone whose computer has been invaded by malware and is sending out Spam from malignant bots.

      You really don’t need to do anything to get Spam. Each time you open a new email address, it stays spam free for a while and then something, suddenly, changes and you start getting 40 a day. I started at Hotmail in 2000, ditched that due to spam around 2003 and moved to Yahoo! That became infested around 2008 so I shifted to Gmail, which was great until a few weeks ago when it suddenly started getting huge amounts of spam again.

      The quickest way to get lots of spam is actually to call a prominent American something not very complimentary. Try it, blog something derogatory about Donald Trump, some wacky Tea Party nut job and see how long it takes the Spam to wend its way……..

      • Pacificweather

        Jobsites sell your email address to spammers or they are targeted by hackers gathering them. Having a .com email address is also a good way to attract spam.

      • richardvine

        If you post your email address anywhere on the internet it will be harvested and used (and abused).

      • JimmyWall

        It could have been all of those reasons but with a face like Rod’s it was probably porn.
        The article itself isn’t really worth commenting on apart from it looks like it was written by a schoolboy, a stupid one at that.

    • davidofkent

      I think a commenter who doesn’t know the difference between ‘sight’ and ‘site’ should keep his thoughts to himself.

    • Pacificweather

      The something similar is job sites. Always create a separate email address before registering with them. They will sell your email address as soon as look at you.

    • P_S_W

      You do know that email addresses are sold for profit, right?

  • Charles Harrington

    There’s never any right wing petitions because in general right-wingers don’t give a toss about anything. Maybe your anger stems from the fact that bought and paid for journalists from the media classes aren’t in control any more.

    • WimsThePhoenix

      Until now, since we are facing an existential crisis.

      CLICK HERE!
      =========
      Petitioning Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and Leader of the Conservative Party David Cameron MP

      Do not accept any more asylum shoppers! Turn back the boats
      ===============
      https://www.change.org/p/david-cameron-mp-do-not-accept-any-more-asylum-shoppers-deport-the-ones-we-have

      • RonnieTimewarp

        Since you seem incapable of it, I’ll try and feel totally ashamed on your behalf.

        Have to say, I admire your ambition (100 signature target), and you’ve done really well to get…35.

        UKIP look like they did well next to that.

    • WhiteVanMan

      er,,guido Fawkes using the 10,000 emails to get the government to debate, bringing back hanging, he was at that all the time.

  • lmda

    https://www.change.org/p/david-cameron-independent-review-into-the-treatment-of-tommy-robinson?source_location=update_footer&algorithm=promoted

    This is a right wing e-petition – if you think fair-dealing, equality
    before the law and free speech are of interest only to right-wing people
    (which I don’t suppose Rod does). And yes Rod you’re probably right – it’s just a useless gesture to make the signatories feel like we’re doing something, and I seem to recall that you’re inclined to use a sort of reverse genuflection when refering to the EDL “despicable”, “brutish” etc, but perhaps, to balance out the tree thing, you might find a moment to sign ? after all it’s only asking for an inquiry rather than claiming that it knows what government policy should be.

  • justamug

    “There are no normal people at all in this online activism: normal people are all at work or down the pub.” I beg to differ. Outside of your ‘journo bubble’ there are plenty of people from all works of life who think Westminster needs a big kick up the backside and Corbyn is the man of the job. I base this opinion a my own small sample, admittedly. But this sample includes people from all walks of life including, cleaners, small business owners, academics, car mechanics, cooks, mothers (especially mothers), charity workers, teachers, nurses, doctors, civil servants, social workers. I bet my circle of mates and acquaintances is far more heterogenous than yours, Mr Liddle. And more representative of the electorate. You are on the wrong side of history on this one.
    The public, whether politically left or right, are all pretty much fed up with establishment types, dictating what is good for us. We don’t believe you know what you are doing anymore. And stopped believing in you a long time ago. The last general election was a good indicator of a shift in mood, with the rise of UKIP, SNP and the Greens. Labour has a chance to turn this political splintering into a force for change. Finally.

    • The_greyhound

      “You are on the wrong side of history on this one.”

      To quote Mr Liddle’s own brilliant words

      “If someone says you’re on the wrong side of history, it is their smug
      and stupid way of telling you that you are wrong and they are right, no
      more. Conservatism is always on the wrong side of history because it is
      innately opposed to profound social change. Social change is always
      good, you see, even when it is utterly calamitous or pointless or
      unnecessary.”

      http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/08/when-words-are-added-to-the-dictionary-what-about-banning-some-here-are-ten-suggestions/

      Maybe you should get on with your housework, instead of peddling nonsense..

      • Andy Hampshire

        Typical cheap tactic but we are not all so easily duped or impressed – apart from you it seems, who must have a very low IQ.

        • The_greyhound

          You support the dotard corbyn, and yet you say you are not easily duped.

          And you raise the subject of low IQs …..

      • justamug

        So Liddle knows he is on the wrong side of history – if he didn’t why defend himself even before the accusation is made? Thanks for pointing it out. Also, I would not characterize conservatives as anti-social change. They are responsible for the most profound and radical social changes in the last 50 years. It is just not been change for the social good.

      • justamug

        And who are you – Liddle’s mother. Jumping to his defense. Have some pride.

    • rodliddle

      No, the PUBLIC are not. It is the same minuscule proportion of the public almost every time.

      • chesters

        great article Rod, loved it

  • The_greyhound

    Judging by the activities of change.org, we are talking about a clickocracy of 150,000, mostly female, of limited intelligence and Comprehensive education, probably studying at “universities” of the calibre of Derby. Incapable of independent thought or original expression, they are the mere pabulum of our prostituted education system.

    And you would have to be as lightweight as a silly little girl like Cameron to take any notice of them.

    p.s. please tell us that your Southall sister was immensely stout and dressed in an entire Dunelm end-of-line sale, a bit like Miss Batmanjellybaby.

    • Leon Wolfeson

      Ah yes, your PC collective stereotyping.

      Let’s see your score; sexism, class arrogance, anti-Education, mind control, social darwinism, totalitarianism.

      As you lash out at democracy.

      • dcomplex

        I use proles like you as fuel in my castle hearth.

        But seriously, what is it with the left-wing inferiority complex and ressentiment about class? It’s bizarre, chum.

        Why also is the left nowadays obsessed with the idea that education can cure all woes. Different people need not be equally intelligent, and bringing back selective education based on ability and talent would go a long way toward improving the lot of the striving classes.

        It would also save money because we can send the dullards to the coalmines without trying to teach them calculus.

        • Leon Wolfeson

          Keep spouting off that PC bigotry against the left.

          As you confuse education and intelligence, as you call for failing most people at early ages, no matter it’s highly damaging to the country in the long run. You can just send the poor to those minimum wage jobs on the cheap, and abandon a high-skill economy…you’ll still be fine as you’re rich, but the 99%….

          • dcomplex

            The scientific evidence actually demonstrates the opposite. Intelligence is highly heritable as demonstrated by studies of twins separated at birth vs unrelated children raised in the same household. Unrelated children raised in the same household have aduly IQs with no statistically significant correlation, while identical twins raised apart have adult IQs that correlate with extremely high statistical significance. These studies have computed that the heritability of adult IQ (the share of the variance accounted for by genes) is 60-80% and that environment accounts for essentially none of the variance.

            This experiment has been conducted numerous times with similar results over the course of the past century. That is the actual truth, even if it contradicts Marxist dogma. Not every person can do every thing equally well. For instance, my handwriting is extremely messy, and even when I try to print or write neatly, taking time on each individual letter, it comes out reading like a ransom note. I also can’t draw very well, even though for some people, it is second-nature.

            The idea that every child can be a physicist, mathematician, or engineer is simply mad, just like the idea that anyone can become world-class at sport, music, acting, or comedy is mad.

            Your version of the world, where all talent can be overcome by education leads to another result: If someone fails at Maths, Science, Engineering, or any other subject at school, the only explanation is lack of effort. Then you can sound off at this person like a Tory, saying things like “You deserve nothing because you didn’t take school seriously, so you can work for minimum wage.”.

            Number theorist GH Hardy wrote in his book A Mathematician’s Apology, “It is a tiny minority who can do something really well, and the number of men who can do two things well is negligible. If a man has a genuine talent, he should be ready to make almost any sacrifice in order to cultivate it to the full.”.

            Education is not intelligence, and intelligence is not education. It is a talent, and our schools should make its proper cultivation a priority.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            IQ is not general intelligence, it’s IQ.
            You’re trying to spin it into eugenics, of course.

            As you try and put words into my mouth, of course. As then you talk about schools simply being for people who have high IQ’s – or rather, are rich.

            Oh, and have fun hunting the phantom marxists in your head.

          • dcomplex

            “General intelligence”, also called the “g factor” is the underlying value measured by IQ tests and is generally believed to be a physical property of the brain. The g factor was introduced to deal with statistical artifacts arising from the statistical machinery used in intelligence testing.

            The problems with Eugenics aren’t that it wouldn’t work in theory (we selectively breed animals all day long), but that in the past it was racist and based on bunk and ridiculous selection criteria, and that the imposition of Eugenics by governments was illiberal and violated people’s human rights (most horrifically in Nazi Germany, of course, but in many other places as well (albeit less egregiously)).

            The argument isn’t just over because you shout “Eugenics!” at me.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Thanks for being incorrect.

            And now you claim that your eugenics is magically better than other eugenics.
            Argument? I’m mocking a far right eugenics supporter, who’s copy/pasting incorrect crap off Stormfront.

            And another great example of your ideology is Jim Crow. The entire *point* of eugenics is to justify violating people’s rights, of course.

          • dcomplex

            Eugenics just means selective breeding of humans. We do it with dogs and horses. This isn’t rocket science. If you take a man with an IQ of 180 and a woman with an IQ of 180, and you arrange for them to have 10 children, the collection of IQs of their children, no matter where they were raised, would have a statistically significantly higher mean relative to the mean of the general population.

            This is the only point I am making.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            What a surprise, you’re trying to redefine eugenics to get away from many aspects of it. As you overhype IQ again.

            Humans are not dogs or horses. Shockingly enough.

          • ArtieHarris

            “Humans are not dogs or horses”

            Well spotted.

            But, like it or not, intelligence exists and it is inherited to a very large degree.

            Take up a course in GCSE Biology would be my advice. You might understand the issues better.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            But yet you’re arguing for treating Humans like them. As you abuse IQ.

            And I don’t need to forget things to get down to that level…might help you, though.

          • ArtieHarris

            “But yet you’re arguing for treating Humans like them”

            Nope. Nowhere have I suggested treating humans like dogs and horses.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Hmm…yea, your post still exists.

          • ArtieHarris

            I don’t think that I have ever seen a poster with so few Upvotes as you – percentage-wise.

            Maybe you should try to learn something from this.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Oh, you’re a compulsive epeen measurer.
            And I learn that you, eugenicist, think that the fact you have no argument other than “eugenics”…

          • dcomplex

            I’m not making that argument. What I am saying is that general intelligence is like height. Environmental factors have been shown to stunt brain development as well as height, but as long as the environment is sufficient (I am alluding in particular to adequate nutrition and adequate air quality), general intelligence cannot be increased beyond its genetically-programmed level, only decreased, at least with current technology and medical knowledge. There may be biotechnology in the future (surgery, drugs, genetic engineering, etc.) that could maybe boost IQ in the future, but for sure, more school does not have that effect.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Except by many of the current measures. But hey!

          • ArtieHarris

            Eugenics is on the way whether you like it or not. People with certain handicaps or dieseases can benefit very well from certain gene techniques.

            Thereafter, humans will likely improve themselves through similar techniques, and you won’t be able to stop this from happening.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Yes yes, of course you’ll try and eliminate populations you don’t like. Then you talk about something entirely different.

            In fact, I’m in favour of human enhancement – but that’s not eugenics. It’s in fact getting away from the *assumptions* of inherent capacity made in eugenics!

          • ArtieHarris

            “Yes yes, of course you’ll try and eliminate populations you don’t like.”

            LOL!

            No-one has even remotely suggested such a thing. I certainly haven’t.

            It’s all in your head.

            Anyway. Gene enhancement is going to happen whether you like it or not.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            And you’re nobody, and your posts exist. Exactly, hence.

          • ArtieHarris

            “IQ is not general intelligence,”

            Yawn.

            Good IQ tests do seem to measure intelligence very well.

            Fact.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            They measure IQ. Not intelligence. But you, eugenicist, won’t stop from telling people they’re failures as a result.

            Dyslexic people tend to do badly on written IQ tests, for instance. (In fact, difference between verbal and written IQ is one of the key signs in diagnosing dyslexia….that’s a *use* of IQ, quite unlike your bigotry)

          • ArtieHarris

            “They measure IQ. Not intelligence.”

            Wrong again. There are probably in excess of 5 million papers demonstrating the correlation between good IQ tests and intelligence.

            “Dyslexic people tend to do badly on written IQ tests”

            Not all IQ tests are “written”.

            Some of the best ones are totally non-verbal.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            “5 million papers”

            Oh, which two days of The Sun?

            And I was making a point – Richard Branson famously did poorly on IQ tests.

          • ArtieHarris

            “Richard Branson famously did poorly on IQ tests.”

            You too, I suspect.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Incorrect, but details. A good eugenicist like you can’t pass up the wisecrack.

            And you do indeed hate Branson, well well!

      • ArtieHarris

        Hyperbolic and hysterical much?

        • Leon Wolfeson

          Facts, which you’re the one hysterically denying.

  • The moral dustbin

    This bloke was looking into the mirror when he chose the epithet ‘pig ignorant’.

  • Georgina

    What have you got to complain about, ron? You are privileged to broadcast whatever facile claptrap springs to mind – and then get paid for your scrapings from the bottom of a barrel.

  • News

    I’d rather have a clickocracy than a Dicktatorship

    Having said that, I’m not sure Britain is really ruled strictly by men for men

    I just liked the sound of my slogan.

  • WimsThePhoenix

    “It’s always from the maniacally obsessive, relentlessly involved liberal left, this stuff. Always. There is never a right-wing petition to be signed. You never get an offer which says ‘Click here to deport everyone and don’t let anyone else in’.”

    Dead wrong, Rod.

    CLICK HERE!
    =========
    Petitioning Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and Leader of the Conservative Party David Cameron MP

    Do not accept any more asylum shoppers! Turn back the boats
    ===============
    https://www.change.org/p/david-cameron-mp-do-not-accept-any-more-asylum-shoppers-deport-the-ones-we-have

  • Jonathan Tedd

    So I buy a pasty at a small independent bakers. Hot or cold she asked? Just give it 30 seconds in the microwave I said. “Can’t do that” she said, “the law says it must be heated to 65 degrees”. All serious-faced she looks. I’ll have it cold then says I, lest I place scalding meat and potato in my mouth. And that ladies and gents is why this country is doomed.

    • Knives_and_Faux

      I found my recent Greggs steak bake strangely tepid, having not been there for a long time and just wrote it off as a faulty display heater. If this is EU ‘law’ it could swing the no vote. I’m not having the temperature of my food dictated by the preferences of a Belgium bureaucrat.

      • Leon Wolfeson

        It’s dictated in that case by someone not understanding the law, either at company, store or personal level. Blaming the EU for everything is about as valid as “Thanks Obama”.

        Also, Greggs? The default is “tepid”.

        • Knives_and_Faux

          I remember them being hotter, so you are claiming there is no ’65 degree law’.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Ahhh, “remember”.

            As you don’t remember the actual law.

    • Leon Wolfeson

      What, people not understanding H&L law?

  • hkhoo

    Try 450,000 and try thinking about how general elections are held? Are they real democratic expressions of the people? Or cross on a paper activities? Is parliament a real expression of the will of 65 million people, or of the everyday views of the population? The monarchy is she, or better said the institution, the reflection of the people? I could go on but that is enough to reveal that you are only really concerned because Jeremy Corbyn is winning, not because people are clicking buttons.

  • snickid

    “Pig-ignorant click activists are in charge now. Jeremy Corbyn’s success proves it”
    ______________________________

    Well argued.
    Well, argued.
    Well. Argued – sort of.
    Well. ‘Argued’ is hardly a description of this article.

  • tolpuddle1

    If the bees go, so shall we all. Heard of pollination, Rod ?

  • blandings

    There are two separate issues here surely.

    1)The trivial matter:
    Corbyn is able to stand as leader of your party because 35 munchkins nominated him. Memo to self – elect more intelligent MPs. There is no further significance to this.

    2) The significant matter:
    How can an elected Government be bullied into changing policy by a group of people clicking a petition or launching a twitter storm. I’m not swayed by a twitter storm so why are our politicians? Are they scared that a twitter mob might come round and burn down their London townhouse in a twitter inspired insurrection? (That would be pretty inconvenient, but it’s unlikely to happen). You cannot sensibly accuse this mob of bullying, when its supposed victims give in before they are even confronted by anything remotely resembling a threat.
    This is the serious matter. Why are our politicians so easily cowed by packs of nobodies?

    • Leon Wolfeson

      “elect more intelligent MP”

      And not allow that pesky electorate to do so, eh?

      And I see, you think democracy is bad and that voters are nobodies. Well.

  • ReefKnot

    Over 1 million signatures for the Clarkson petition didn’t make a blind bit of difference, so I don’t think anybody takes much notice of petitions now. I certainly don’t.

  • JSC

    I wish everyone would stop disrespecting Corbyn… …so soon. Let them elect him, let him get settled in for a good 12 month, then we really take the gloves off and the army of skeletons get brought out of the closet. Not only will he go down in flames but so will his entire cabinet and, probably, party.

  • johnb1945

    I get these petition e-mails and I sign the ones I agree with and disregard the ones I don’t. So far I’ve signed 2 of the 20 or so I’ve received.

    I think they’re great. You can’t get rid of a government for 5 years now, but you can force them to debate something they might otherwise hope went away!

    • Robbydot1

      You can’t force them to debate, that’s rubbish I’m afraid. They might debate it but petitions with well over 100,000 have been completely ignored.

      • johnb1945

        Parliamentary petitions attracting 100,000 + signatures get considered by the committee and debated unless there’s good reason not to – generally a debate already scheduled. They’re a useful tool when stuck with a fixed term government!

  • Tim Gingell

    Sounds like ravings of man down pub complaining about t’Internet. You just have to be against Corbyn to get a cheque, I guess. Update: then realised it was Rod Liddle, the professional controversialist and Sun “journalist”. I see. I actually have objections to Sun newspapers littering up cafes up and down the country but it’s hardly worth a rant on t’Internet about petitions.

  • John Newsham

    It is quite entertaining to see how desperately angry so many journalists and neo-con politicians have been at the rise of a popular left-wing politician. It’s a good job this one was on hand to tell me what a pig-ignorant perpetual adolescent I am for being a long- term Labour member and voting for Corbyn. A thoroughly reasoned and sensible argument- not like all those mental lefties and their petulant insistence on discussing policy issues.

    I’ll leave with a quote the writer may be familiar with. This was from the woman that the Parliamentary Labour Party deemed to right-wing to win an election. Now it seems to apply to the man they are deeming too left-wing to do so:

    ‘I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left.’
    -Margaret Thatcher.

    • rodliddle

      But he’s not popular, John. Look at the polls.

      • John Newsham

        Perhaps you could point to the polls you speak of? All polls at the moment are suggesting a phenomenal level of support amongst labour members as supporters- the people who effectively employ labour MPs in selecting them.

        Polls have also indicated he is the most likely to convert voters to labour generally across the party political spectrum. Particularly amongst voters who had left labour for UKIP.

        It’s no good complaining that Corbyn is popular or blaming supporters. It’s down to the right wing members of the party to put a credible new labour candidate forward- if they could do so, perhaps corbyn would not have done as well.

        That’s before we even get into your refusal to engage in any sort of debate with his policies…

  • Paul Renshaw

    “Mohammed Jihadi al-Semtex”? How can you possibly think it’s OK to write something like that? Please, do introduce us to his Irish, black and Jewish equivalents.

    • rodliddle

      Ok. Seamus Mbinga Ravelstein. Does that help?

    • The_greyhound

      It’s not only OK, it’s brilliant.

      The serried ranks of what’s left of the Left have nothing to compare to Lddle, now the best controversialist and satirical writer before the public. Compare the entirety lame, witless, boring pious Guardian and you won’t find one of the wit or invention to be had here.

      • John Standley

        ” the best controversialist and satirical writer before the public” Well said – Shame so many don’t get it. Also, I hope Rod may one day include those who think that including the term “neo-con” gives a post more weight.

    • Cyril Sneer

      1 comment Paul.

  • rtj1211

    Well, if you joined the Tory party and started whinging like this, they’d tell to eft off and get pissed, do something about it or shut the hell up.

    But as you remain in the Labour Party, you can whinge about other people doing things you don’t like whilst not doing anything yourself to counter them. I”m sure Nigel Farage would welcome you into UKIP, but perhaps you’d find a few there equally as challenging to understand and get on with…..

  • Leon Wolfeson

    Keep crying about leftists having a voice, bully.

  • Ruth

    In case you don’t know this was written by a man who was found guilty of assaulting his wife and was sued for racism. Really a worthwhile voice to listen to.

    • Shapster

      Assaulted his wife? That’s their business. Sued for racism? No he wasn’t. But what a relief it is that we have him in our midst to dare make comments such as he does. His term ‘black savages’ was the cleverest pairing of two words by any commentator, ever.

    • Gilbert White

      This was Livingstone I presume?

  • democracy gone

    rod liddle obviously thinks that he is a journalist, well with this rubbish article he needs to go back and ‘re-qualify’

    • The_greyhound

      A devastating criticism, coming as it does from someone so thick they can’t construct an English sentence.

    • Cyril Sneer

      We have another clickety click mentalist here.

  • bengeo

    Methinks he dost protest too much.

  • porcelaincheekbones

    The Independent had a petition to let in economic migrants.
    I say we take every single name who signed, and charge the entire bill of these migrants exclusively to those people. Seriously. It’s the only way this will end and they signed up for it, didn’t they?

    • jaz

      Many of us are already paying through voluntary donations.

      • porcelaincheekbones

        Why not all? Petitions make it easy to send 100% of the bill.

        • Leon Wolfeson

          That’s right, you keep arguing that the NHS should be charged entirely to the people who did a petition for it. And of course all other spending, etc – so you argue you as a rich person shouldn’t pay a penny.

          After the government has forced all sites running petitions, in new powers, to hand over all the details, etc.

          • porcelaincheekbones

            This isn’t about the NHS, troll.
            You care so much? Sign this one https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/106997
            No, thought not.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            The NHS is highly relevant, as you go “UR TROLL”

            As you admit you don’t think, just frantically whine for censorship of other views.
            (In fact, I signed a different one weeks ago, which I agreed with, so hey. Oh, and I did so in person…)

    • Purple Commoner

      The goverment ran a petition too
      Did we tell you how many signed it?
      I think we did, didn’t we?
      How many signed it, pcb?

      Come on, you tell us.
      https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/105991

      • porcelaincheekbones

        Out of how many million? Less than a fraction of a single %.
        I can tell you, I can use a calculator.
        Plenty of people to charge, excellent, only their taxes should reflect the cost of the policy they demanded.

        • Leon Wolfeson

          Ah yes, that excuse for not paying tax as a rich person.

          • porcelaincheekbones

            aah my stalker is back, you’re middle class, I’m poor. You are not in competition with these people, yet you think it’s charity to burden the poor and the taxpayer already squeezed as is. Shame on you.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Why do you think you’re stalking yourself? As you obviously lie, and as you show how you ignore studies, as you just sit back, have your drinks and talk about squeezing people – which means you’re a a good Austerite, and are fully in favour of squeezing the poor you detest so much,

          • porcelaincheekbones

            You’re a lonely middle-aged IT guy who keeps harassing me with your opinions on multiple websites. Put them in a separate comment instead of writing TO me. Nobody cares.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            I’m not you.

            As you whine and call replying “harassment”. As you show you care deeply, nobody, about the truth and studies being used – unacceptable to you!

            Anything to hide your hate, eh?

          • porcelaincheekbones

            Moderator this man won’t stop harassing me.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Ah yes, you’re being replied to, quick, quick, call the censor. Anything but deal with someone telling the truth, you gotta silence it, any way you can!

          • porcelaincheekbones

            Speak to other people, speak on your OWN comment. Stop harassing me.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            “SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP”

            You’re a pro-censorship, anti free-speech zealot, it’s clear. As you demand nobody talk about your views, nobody mention your logic works against the NHS (which you specifically claimed it was not about, showing you’re a liar – probably a primary target of yours, thus) and the taxes you, rich slob, hate so much.

            Go home, stop leeching off Britain!

      • Ridcully

        Less than a quarter of the number of people who signed the petition demanding that Jeremy Clarkson be given his job back.

        • MahatmaFarage

          ….which indicates where the priorities really lie.

          • Nick Harman

            Maybe they confused their Jeremys?

    • wycombewanderer

      https://petition.parliament.uk/signatures/2352657/signed/w8Tns1v1pJZZBnFxDD7

      Try this one 43000 signature so far 100 k for a debate in the house.

      • menschmaschine

        “Out of how many million? Less than a fraction of a single %.
        I can tell you, I can use a calculator.
        Plenty of people to charge, excellent, only their taxes should reflect the cost of the policy they demanded.”

        The facts are as always unambiguous – you will struggle to find that many racists in the real world yet you will encounter absolutely no technical issues finding them in anonymous online forums, which means someone’s LYING and others are not. Will you work that riddle out for yourself?

        • porcelaincheekbones
          • Leon Wolfeson

            Ah yes, you’ve managed to get a fraction of the UKIP vote to say the same again, and to try and block the borders.

            As you make your claims of hate, of course.
            And then there’s the likely click-fraud involved…

    • Drew

      Hypothocated taxes is it, cheeky? Hands up who’ll pay for Trident, massive subsidies to the arms industry, PPI and continued bailing out of the criminal banks?

      • porcelaincheekbones

        We already have been. This is about adding MORE expense to the slate.

  • Mounders

    The only bit in this piece I agree with in this reactionary/embittered Blairite rant against political engagement is the line “they are winning, these people”, If the alternative is Rod Liddle, good on them.

    • Oedipus Rex

      To describe Liddle as ‘Blairite’ only reveals your ignorance (porcine or not) of the subject

      • Mounders

        I wasn’t describing Liddle as a Blairite. His argument, if you can call it that, has the same tone and tendancies as those of the blairites as they die whining.

  • FoxtrotUniformCharlieKilo_Mo!

    If there were a badger gassing petition. I’d sign it.

    But I want a petition to be set up for a debate in parliament for leaving the UN and exiling militant leftists. No I really do. And I bet we could easily get a million people to sign it.

  • flippit

    You have so accurately described Emily Ashton of Buzzfeed on sky news press review just now. Her hesitant voice conveying such distress at the photo of the dead Syrian child and saying how her twitter feed is packed with comments from people who feel the same distress. She saw no irony when Lorna said that many children have died in Syria but only now the public feeling is emerging.

  • peter_dtm

    Well for a change I ALMOST agree with Rod.
    The only thing I suspect I disagree with him about is the root cause of this attack by the harpies from socialist central.

    The root cause is soclialism and marxism; and their avowed intnet to destroy those who oppose them.

    Yes Rod; the Corbyn movement comes right out of the socialist play book. One you have been in agreement with since you first joined the Labour Party (and any other Socialist grouping on the way).

    You; sir; are quite simple; hoist by your own petard.

    Enjoy

    • Rod is NOT simple, and he is also a smart and genial man; otherwise I agree.

  • Brogan75

    Same as the ridiculous ads on Southeastern trains, text “whiteguilt” to give 3 GBP to starving children in Africa. All over the place and your miserable commuting gets worse and worse. I don’t care.Same for useless online petitions.

    • Richard

      Brits are some of the biggest morons on the planet. What was I thinking when I decided to return to the country my grandparents left in disgust?

      • Cyril Sneer

        k
        thnx
        bye

        • Richard

          Slavery from Muslims in Mauritania. Be there. Mass rape in Rotherham. Be there.

    • Leon Wolfeson

      What a surprise, you want to see as many dead kids as possible. I know – you’re a DWP policy maker, who giggles every time you sentence someone to die.

      • Cyril Sneer

        Raise a petition to have him killed Leon. Mark Barrowcliffe will sign it,

        “you want to see as many dead kids as possible”

        Only so that we can drain their blood and eat their livers. Their skulls could make handy ornaments too.

        • Leon Wolfeson

          I don’t believe in murder at all, so sorry.

  • Mark Barrowcliffe

    At 50, every man has the face he deserves. What have you done, Rod, what have you done? A two-bob Clarkson clone, hero worships the violent, white male working class to the extent of beating his pregnant wife in emulation. Mask slips when he names his daughter Emmeline, like the good dinner party circuit bore he is. Whenever he talks about ‘my mates at Millwall Online’ I imagine it in the voice of Rik from the young ones. Massive twat.

    • The_greyhound

      Apart from the pitiful personal attack, did you have anything to say?

      Or was it just that Liddle has upset you and your fellow manustuprators, pointing out that you are a bunch of losers, exciting yourselves over a senescent trot?

    • Cyril Sneer

      Bitter much?

      Yes yes you are, thoroughly bitter and thoroughly angry. You’re not getting things your way and my god how full of rage you are.

      You should raise a petition to have him killed.

      At least we now know you’re one of the mental ones he talks about in his article. Clickety click Mark, clickety click.

    • Wow what a vicious nasty comment. Yuck

      • kevinlynch1005

        An unpleasant remark, certainly. All the more unpleasant for having an element of truth about it. Hitting a pregnant woman? Classy.

        • But he didn’t. According to news reports, there was a tussle with a suitcase because he didn’t (understandably enough) want his wife to leave.

  • They should have called you ‘Rod-er-thick’ and winked. I mean, classy is as classy does. %^[

  • MrFGordon

    Rod Liddle reminds me of a Will Self without the crack den sensibilities.

    • Are you kidding? Rod has political nous. I would love him to be godfather to my next Boxer, except that there will be only one, god bless her.

    • Feminister

      He reminds me of every single paunchy white bloke with an opinion and a second rate degree.

  • Jonathan Bradshaw

    What evidence is there that the 40,000+ who joined Labour to vote for Corbyn are “the mentals”? (What does that even mean, anyway?) This is a vile piece of writing. It’s entirely possible that people are re-joining the Labour Party because there’s signs it might finally be coming back to its roots, fighting for the majority of ordinary people against a government that openly detests them. Some of these people may well be petition signers (which, I agree, is a largely pointless gesture) but even if every single one of them is, so what? Does that preclude the possibility they are engaged in genuine and effective political activism? Or is it just you think there is something intrinsically wrong with protecting bees? (Perhaps you don’t like, um, food). What upsets you so much about “vulnerable people being empowered”? Isn’t that exactly what vulnerable people need?

    • Mongo Part II

      the evidence is that anybody who votes for somebody as nuts as Corbyn must be nuts themselves.

      Pretty sound IMO

      • Jonathan Bradshaw

        What specifically about Corbyn would you say is “nuts” and why?

  • demandside

    Fortunate to be ignorant of anything but the incredibly stupid premise to this article as formulated in the headline.

    • dcomplex

      Not Sentence No Verb

  • Clearly, Rod Little’s been on Twitter recently

  • The latest MP recall idea is a twist on this problem. Apparently if an MP doesn’t share the views of the newly enlarged Labour membership in their constituency that’s undemocratic and unrepresentative and they’ll face possible recall.

    Apparently the Labour membership is more representative than the public in general.

  • paulthorgan

    Labour’s woes are due to the problem that faces every mainstream political party in the UK, namely falling membership.

    Labour tried encourage people to join their party by offering a limited role at a deep discount.

    Their problem may be that their true committed activists are a deeply unappealing lot and they need new blood. It does seem the case that the bulk of ‘true’ members who spend the money and also the time in support of their party appear to be agitators for a socialist one-party republic.

    The numbers who flocked to join after Blair became leader seem to indicate this as with Blair in charge, the party seemed to be decontaminated of its quasi-communist element. Of course, they had not gone away but had been threatened into silence.

    Labour needs to be the party of social democracy. At present David Cameron is stealing their clothes in this area. The social democrats in the Labour party need to get a grip and stop acting nice and instead dish out the same kind of stuff that the left has been hitting them with since May.

    • Seax

      Plenty of assumptions there. Funny that you speak of one party republics as we already have a one-party constitutional monarchy and have had so since 79.

  • Dave Davies

    The Labour Party jettisoned its principles in its quest to join the already crowded middle ground of politics. The Lib Dems were there already, and the principle-shy Tories had no problem with misrepresenting themselves as having shifted to the centre. The post New-Labour trope is that any party that moves from the safety of the wishy-washy centre is bound for political oblivion. To brand the success of Corbyn as due to click-happy morons it is fatuous. Corbyn has attracted support because he is clearly a principled man and as such is a breath of fresh air in this era of sound-bite politics and PR spin. Time will tell if Labour are on the road to nowhere or the road to a ‘Real Labour’ government.

    • The_greyhound

      Unusual to describe a rancid old fart as a breath of fresh air, but there’s really no limit to the capacity for self-delusion of the fascist-appeasing supporters of corbyn.

      Corbyn’s success is not only the product of fatuous click-happy morons, it is a product of a bunch of morons who have never contributed anything to the Labour party, and never will. In that respect they exactly resemble corbyn, who hasn’t contributed anything to the Labour Party in forty odd years, and has all of the leadership potential of the average draft excluder.

      YouGov publshed an interesting analysis of the corbyn supporters – excitable, emotional, economically illiterate, poorly educated and poorly paid, credulous, dim, bigoted losers. https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/08/27/you-may-say-im-dreamer-inside-mindset-jeremy-corby/ Read the article, and one almost feels sorry for them.

      • norm

        It does not matter if you like him or not it is better for everyone if you get away from the slimy blair and all the others even cameroon is a slimeball all trying to look like the care it is about time we got some people with the balls for a fight in politics and not all the you scratch my back and i will scratch your back types we get from the uni’s now we or I want my politicians to come from a background of having lived in the real world first not straight out of uni like I think you should not be able to be an MP until you are 45 and then only for 15 years and only the PM for 10 years

        • Cyril Sneer

          I can only presume you’re allergic to paragraphs and full stops?

          • norm

            no but I am allergic to prats like you. I was not writing an essay, so thank you for being a big head and trying the grammar police now go get you head out of your ass

          • Seax

            Righties will use any trick to attack people who want positive change for the majority rather than the few.

      • Dave Davies

        People are attracted to Corbyn because he has a consistent set of principles which he articulates clearly and with honesty and integrity. The young voters you call ‘morons’ may be naive but they know when they hear a voice that chimes with their own. The Labour Party has lost two elections through failure to connect with the electorate, particularly young voters. The Labour centerists have too many compromises and fudges in their policies to offer a credible alternative and too much post-Blair baggage to unload. In my opinion it is *they* who would condemn Labour to opposition for the next two decades not Corbyn.

  • mickey667

    Mate, they’re not winning. They achieve zero and actually harm many worthwhile causes in the process.

    • ArtieHarris

      ” they’re not winning.”

      They’ve been winning for years – well before the arrival of the internet – as per my post above.

  • David J Timson

    I thought a saw a poll somewhere saying that long-standing Labour members were overwhelmingly for Corbyn too….so it’s not just the 42,449 “mentals” (and Toby Young)….much as I would enjoy the Labour party imploding I’m hoping that YouGov will be as wrong as it was in Scotland and the General Election…the thought of Corbyn and his mental acolytes on TV all the time spouting infantile anti-austerity drivel would drive me insane.

  • mickey667

    Also, aye, just unsubscribe.

    Reading this i remembered what my email experience was a few years ago (for about 10 minutes until i unsubscribed from everything altho bothered me)

  • Liberanos

    Rod, are there any email sites offering penis reduction? You know how it is…the envy and so on…

  • Arthur Ascii

    Added to the above is way people are easily manipulated with hooks that appeal to their emotions. You don’t have to worry about things like the facts or the truth, just sign here to prove you care.

  • Shuggy

    I think Rod’s main message here is: ‘WAAAAAAAAAHHH!’

    • WhiteVanMan

      Labour adivisor John Mcternan thought this piece great,rods not really moaning if he admires Toby Youngs Tories for corbyn, game.

  • The_greyhound

    Rod might have added : the sort of humbugs that wear coloured rubber bands, in the belief that that changes the world.

  • Gebhard Von Blucher

    I noticed this article very shortly after it was published. Usually a Liddle article will generate considerable applause amongst the commenters. On this occasion, there was a great deal of hostile (and generally humourless po-faced) comment. Yes, the Liddle fan comments were generally generously up ticked but the overall impression was that he misjudged the tone of the article. He didn’t of course, because the maelstrom he created was amongst that very group of people who comprise the click activists. Hilarious!

    • Georgina

      “Hilarious!” you say. What a marvellous sense of humour you must have, GVB. Not po-faced at all then?

  • The Masked Marvel

    Time for a new book, then, Rod: “Pig-ignorant, Narcissistic, Whining Monkeys”. Although you’ll be struggling to blame Thatcher for this lot, I fear.

  • Alex

    written/ published on 5th September – Rod Liddle is time traveling…

  • ArtieHarris

    ” There are no normal people at all in this online activism: normal
    people are all at work or down the pub. It is a tiny fraction of the
    population — I’d say much less than 0.5 per cent — and they are all
    psychotically furious about every-thing and think that you are scum. And
    they are winning.”

    The feminists and the SJWs seem to spend their lives on the internet intimidating people should they dare to say anything that might offend them.

    And it isn’t just in the form of hostile tweets. They will also try to destroy their reputations and their jobs – e.g. as per the scientist Tim Hunt, who had to resign over an innocuous joke that was deemed to be offensive to feminists.

    Impartial academics are terrifed of such people – which is why all the “research” into gender issues is bogus.

    You come up with the “correct” results, or your academic career is going nowhere.

    • Seax

      Look at the hostile press that targets people (politicians?) they do not like…

      Feminists and SJWs can be right wing as well. I agree that they are a plague.

      • Feminister

        Yes the world was much better when the only people with free expression and a platform were white men.

    • Feminister

      Criticise Tim hunt and he cries. Just like you.

      • ArtieHarris

        Really? I seem to recall that it was all those juvenile tantrumy feminists who got hysterical, cried and stamped their feet over his innocuous joke who were the babies.

        And you were one of them.

  • Cyril Sneer

    Good fishing article Rod, plenty of social justice internet warrior freaks have taken the bait.

  • rufty

    Well, I guess you’re not a Corbyn supporter, Liddle but it would interesting be to know your preference, if any, amongst the other contenders. Perhaps you support one amongst the Troika who have offered an opposition to the Tory led coalition of five years that was so ineffectual it seemed more like collaborating than opposing ? Perhaps you favour the continuation of the Tory controlled and directed status quo ? Perhaps you have nothing better to do than slag off those who wish for a change in the direction the Labour party had taken over the past 20 years ?

    • Liberanos

      I don’t know My Liddle’s preferences, but as a Labour Party member, I can’t see anything about the prospective Labour Party which would be much better for the country than the present government.

      • Seax

        Then join the Tory party. It is a free country.

    • Oedipus Rex

      I seem to remember he more or less endorsed Liz Kendall – but more in desperation than enthusiasm. Meanwhile, we can only wait for Jez’s imminent demise (3 years max – then he might ‘retire’ under pressure) and hope that Dan Jarvis will be ready to stand.

      • rufty

        Thanks for the information, OE – no surprise.

  • gram64

    Dear Rod; those unsolicited emails about lengthening your penis size, and giving it more ‘fortitude’, so that you can do the biz with those unsolicited ladies – why, they are all sent to you based on your internet activity. Thanks for enlightening us!

    • Richard

      Apparently this is not the case. Lists of internet users in any capacity are obtained and used. I get emails offering introductions to Muslim singles in my area, for instance.

  • ManOfKent

    How hard is it for Liddle to understand people are sick of the spineless, dysfunctional self-serving bleeding heart centreist liberal faux intellectual excrement that he and his ilk dish out. Whining that its some ‘click’ generation’s fault just shows what a miserable whining anachronism people like him are becoming. A new generation of ridiculous Arthur Meldrew’s who have suddenly realised that the world has moved on and they are passed their sell by date.

    • Neil Saunders

      You mean ‘past their “sell-by” date’.

      Not that we are. (Not all of us, anyway.)

      • Neil Saunders

        By the way, who is “Arthur” Meldrew? No relation of Victor, by any chance?

        • GraveDave

          He lives in the Cent Kuntryside.

          And why are you talking to yourself Neil?

          • Neil Saunders

            I’m not. I’m addressing the entire forum, “funny” man.

    • GraveDave

      If you mean Victor Meldrew he was right wing. And why are you being nasty to Rod? He’s never made any secret of the fact he’s a Labour man. I also don’t agree with everything he says but hey – he’s funny with it.
      So get a soh or stop projecting your failings on others.

  • camjan2

    Stay away from Twits on Twitter. There is madness out there I tell you. Live life in your bubble. Avoid football , public swimming pools concerts and town centres like the plague. The texting proletariat are barking ,vile and stupid. Avoid at all costs.

  • ArtieHarris

    “”Social Justice Warriors have plagued mankind for more than 150 years, but
    only in the last 30 years has their ideology become dominant in the
    West. Having invaded one institution of the cultural high ground after
    another, from corporations and churches to video games and government,
    there is nowhere that remains entirely free of their intolerant thought
    and speech policing.”

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014GMBUR4/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B014GMBUR4&linkCode=as2&tag=theamericanre-20&linkId=UFRBF3WKTA3ZPXDW

    • Feminister

      Shut up you wannabe rapist creep.

      • ArtieHarris

        Still following me about Honey Pie?

        Love. Love. Love. Looooooove.

      • The_greyhound

        You really are a disgusting apology for a human being, aren’t you?
        Go and seek treatment.

  • rufty

    Dear God, Liddle you’re a walking mouth. What’s the matter, is it just you who’ve cornered the rights of slagging people off ? Shutup, you lot out there. Liddle ‘s got something to tell you. You’re pig ignorant ! D’you hear that – pig ignorant. Why ? – because Liddle of the ever increasing/decreasing penis doesn’t like how he looks in the mirror. He’s hit the crystal ceiling called irrelevancy and he doesn’t know where to turn. Don’t worry, boy – Kendall will put spice in your limpness and man up your prose. And don’t think that’s let the rest of you off the hook – you’re still pig ignorant. Liddle says so.

  • There is SUCH an easy solution though. Politicians and the media just need to get off Twitter. That’s it. That’s the whole plan.

    The reason the election took you by surprise? You spend your time in an echo chamber hearing a shrill, distorted view of the world. The 99.5%+ of us that aren’t in there will never elect Corbyn and we don’t care what the idiot SJWs have to say.

  • willshome

    Rod Liddle has obviously been driven mad by the petitions bombarding his email account. Could someone take him to one side and explain how “Unsubscribe” works…

  • Rob Harris

    The grammar and spelling in Spectator blogs is generally above par whereas the mudslinging that contributors indulge in is of much the same calibre as that found in less august publications – often puerile, seldom clever. I blame the anonymity that a nom de plume provides.
    The Corbyn debate can be distilled into a fundamental political choice. Natural resources and plunder aside, wealthy countries generally become so by having a positive balance of wealth producers over wealth consumers. It is a delicate balance that politicians attempt to manage for their electoral advantage. The national debt, manipulated interest rates and quantitative easing (money printing) are all direct consequences of their recurring lack of success.
    From a socialist perspective Mr Corbyn’s policies very clearly champion the ‘noble’ wealth consumers over the ‘venal’ wealth creators but unfortunately a bigger slice
    of a smaller pie has never been a solution.

    • Seax

      Wealth creation is not the trading of stocks. Wealth is a raw material. We all contribute to wealth creation but the ‘best people’ like to pretend that they do it all. We are, also, consumers.However, the rich find ways to concentrate non-essential consumption within their ranks.

      • Rob Harris

        You’re on a roll Seax. I see you also commented on Dauer_Gast’s contribution.
        It’s simple. Without entering the ‘rich and the rest’ debate a nation state requires tax revenues to function. Some pay more tax than they get back in benefit (the producers). Others receive more in benefit than they pay in tax (the consumers). As long as the contributions from the former exceed the subsidies to the latter, the state prospers. This is not the case in Britain. The current administration promises that it will soon balance income and expenditure on an annual basis but avoids mention of the fact that, according to the ONS, the national debt currently stands at about £1.5 trillion! Eventual currency debasement and/or default is therefore inevitable and we are merely debating the time it takes to reach that point. Mr Corbyn would be my odds on favourite to get us there the quickest.

  • rufty

    You really should take advice from some of those emails, Rod – with limp dick prose & wilting wit you need help.

  • Edward Studor

    Excellent article as usual. Explains a lot.

  • Dauer_Gast

    Those clickbait activists are not empowered by the internet, but by the leftists that wormed their way through the institutions. It’s the journalists that call everyone racist, the BBC moderator that deceives people about the downsides of mass-immigration and the human ressource manager that fires people with politically incorrect opinions that give them their influence. Labour is part of that problem, not the solution. In that sense it is karmic justice that this is now coming back to bite Labour in the ass.

    • Seax

      And those whose whole life is based on greed and ‘me first’. Your way has wrecked the country, it is time for an alternative that supports the people rather than just the rich.

  • Bodkinn

    Corbyn will win because of the complete lack of charisma of
    the other candidates. His own is that of
    another age but a lot of people find value in antiques. What the Labour Party should do now is to
    begin a search for another who has the appeal that Blair had in his early
    days. I remember the adoring crowds
    outside of number ten when he first arrived.
    (If allowed in there would have been a lynch mob eventually.) The present contenders would be well advised
    to retire to the back benches. After
    this fiasco there credibility in any job will be zero.

    • kevinlynch1005

      “There (sic) credibility ….will be zero”. You mean about the same level as your grammar?

  • MickC

    Of course, it could just be that people are sick of the Westminster bubble clones and want someone who looks like he means what he says.

  • Chris Hobson

    The twitterati mob.

    • Feminister

      Better than the press pack.

  • ohforheavensake

    If you’re going to the bar, Rod’ll have another gin. No ice.

  • Jethro Asquith

    Rod you are spot on. The twatty twittering classes also, of course, work in the same way.

  • Velo

    Even if he is a mutant, Corbyn is closer to Keir Hardie that Blair. Perhaps Tone should grow a beard. Labour has been cut off from its roots from years and now faces obsolescence.

    • Mary Ann

      The truth is, that there aren’t enough really poor people any longer, and comfortably off people see themselves better off under the Tories, the bottom 20% aren’t enough to win an election.

      • lindzen4pm

        ‘Labour wants more poor people.’
        That’s the slogan for Jezza’s first conference as leader sorted.

        • Mary Ann

          I don’t think that would go down very well. But it did make me laugh.

          • lindzen4pm

            Good. You’ll need a sense of humour when that bearded loon takes over the Smellysocks Party.

          • Clive

            Given that ‘poverty’ is defined as earning less than 60% of the median wage so there are always people in poverty, just define ‘poor’ as something similar and you’ll always have poor people

            Then you vary the percentage so there are plenty of poor people; persuade some just above the line that they really ought to support the poor people and you have your majority.

  • tolpuddle1

    I don’t mind who’s in charge now, as long as it isn’t people like Rod Liddle.

    And words like “pig-ignorant” come strangely from someone who isn’t notable himself for learning.

  • UR

    Pigs are not ignorant and it’s a grave insult to pigs to liken their intelligence in any way to these ignoramuses!!

    • Mary Ann

      And what’s wrong with campaigning to stop the Tories selling the NHS to their friends or stop killing the bees, without the bees our diet would be very boring.

    • Velo

      Correct – Winston Churchill used to say: “A cat looks down on you, a dog looks up to you but a pig looks you straight in the eye.” Pigs are intelligent.

      • Winston Churchill never met my Boxer!

        • Velo

          Yeah but Boxers are a bit daft though. They wander off and forget the way home. A pig would never do that, believe me.

          • My Boxer never wanders off, never mind forgetting the way home! She has a better sense of direction than my husband does!

  • Petrob

    Yea, your dead right they are winning, the bleeding hearts and left liberal elitist loons, that’s why the UK is as dead as a dodo and a basket case to boot…

    • Velo

      You take mixed metaphors to a new level.

  • RicardoRed

    What load of patronising rubbish.

    • The_greyhound

      I bet you pass for an heavyweight intellectual amongst your shelf-stacking trotskyite mates, with a dialectical and narrative grasp like that.

      • RicardoRed

        In just a few words you’ve revealed yourself as knee-jerk, unthinking, parroting, right-wing snob. Maybe i shouldn’t be too surprised on these pages, but so quickly is surprising.

  • Kohagen

    13 Quid a month? For that lot? Don’t make me laugh.

  • Petra

    “He who shouts loudest wins. And they can shout.”

    Not as loud as the press, that miniscule elite of men who control the public debate, bring our democratic leaders in and out of power, decide foreign policy, stir up hatreds, belittle and objectify women and terrify the public.

    You’re just jealous that the rest of the population can now join in and is copying your methods.

    • Clive

      What about Rebekah Brooks ?

      If she had been a man then by now she would have her own conspiracy theory

    • The_greyhound

      Thank you for reminding us why public debate is best left to men.

  • Feminister

    “It’s always from the maniacally obsessive, relentlessly involved liberal left, this stuff. Always. ”

    Except for when it’s the perennially victimised white male starting a petition to drive some feminist out of her student union job or reinstate some poor punchy millionaire bore fest of a car presenter, handsy PUA or convicted rapist with a talent for kicking things in circles.

    • lindzen4pm

      That’s the worst case of irony-deficiency I’ve seen in a long time.

    • The_greyhound

      Thanks for reminding us that it’s high time we found a cure for feminism.

      So far only muzzles and ducking stools seem to be effective.

  • Clive

    Jeremy Corbyn is into democracy bigtime. Here’s a piece from the Independent previously quoted in this magazine:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leadership-race-how-has-jeremy-corbyn-galvanised-so-many-people–both-young-and-old-10444194.html
    …One volunteer tells me: “He came into the office last week, said hello, checked on how things we’re going, then put it to the room that he was going to take his son out for a sandwich to talk about how things were going at university. We unanimously agreed that was a very reasonable thing to do.”….

    So the petitions are going to come thick and fast and possibly become metapetitions. Like ‘Should there be petitions’ or ‘Should there be auto-petitions with wording collected from placards at protests’.

    How about ‘When a petition fails, should it be resubmitted with a longer mailing list, possibly with a word or two changed’. The EU might use that one.

    I think democracy is going to be tested severely in the near future.

  • dean

    I think the microcosm you mention is the bubble you live in – 99% of the population whilst not leftist loonies do not want to sell off forests, gas badgers and privatise the NHS. The ordinary hard working people who are down the pub you mention – the Clarksons et al are not representative of UK society – they just happen to be the most vocal in the media as they are currently at the reigns (by a very narrow margin). Why shouldn’t the woman pay 3 quid to decide who she wants to see in power – I certainly wouldn’t be paying to join the labour party when they don’t actually offer anything I want – but I’d maybe put a cheeky £3 bet to put someone in who might shake things up a bit (or just as likely be offfed at the first opportunity by the ordinary hard working people down the pub)

  • Josh Danby

    Funny I thought it was the press that bullied the country. Taking our toys home are we?

  • Matt Usselmann

    LOL, that sounds like it has been written from a terrace in Tuscany after the second bottle of Barolo, when sneering at the great unwashed will come naturally.

    The public now, thanks to internet and £3 pound votes, are actually using their democratic right and responsibilities.

    Now, if it is satire, then all well and good, but either way, the “pig-ignorant activist” will stick, as the poor hapless woman who does not even know that the Labour party is organised in wards seems to be the only example of activist you could find, relating to Labour’s Corbyn supporters.

    Now, do us a favour, Rod, and scuttle over to the longandvariable blog of Prog Tony Yates who criticises Corbyn and his economic policies. (I am tempted to say click here, but my contribution will no doubt be blocked by the thought police which will not allow deviation from the Spectator’s view, if I include the link.)

    Then look at the ARGUMENTS with which these “pig-ignorant activists” demolish Yates’ criticism of the Corbyn economic policies. It will be in the comments underneath. They do it with ease, wit, humour and economic competence.

    Oh yeah, and tell your mate Toby Young that his campaign seems to be highly successful. The last hustings at Sky news for the candidates produced an80%
    support for Corbyn after the debate from viewers, compared to the hapless 5% or less which each of the ABC candidates could muster.

    • Matt Usselmann

      …Economics Professor Tony Yates from Birmingham university…

    • Clive

      I looked at the blog as you suggested and I am having trouble finding the comments which “…demolish Yates’ criticism of the Corbyn economic policies…”. I cannot see them. I can see an argument but no decisive critique of Yates’ argument. Yates’ argument seems to be a summary of the economic mainstream view.

      Indeed, that is the very point Yates makes. That a bunch of people wrote a letter to the Guardian calling themselves ‘economists’ when he says many were not but then his counter-letter from real economists was not published. he says ‘…we and our signatories don’t wish to have the median economist position misrepresented…’ so he is not necessarily saying that he and his co-signatories have a monopoly on truth but they do represent the ‘median economist position’.

      • Matt Usselmann

        Of course, you can decide it is not a “decisive critique”, but it is certainly enough to allow you to doubt whether the mainstream view is right.

        You accept that their is an argument against the mainstream, which surprisingly is not very well supported in the discussion in Tony’s blog (where are these 55 economists hiding?)

        You are absolutely right, mainstream is not equal truth. And if you follow the arguments, examples, links, quotations, to demolish the main-stream, you might even find/decide that it is completely wrong.

        We then have to entertain the notion mainstream = nonsense.

        But it seems to take “pig-ignorant activists” to point that out.

  • Teacher

    ‘Vulnerable’, ‘mentally impaired’, ‘infantile’, ‘perpetual adolescents’, ‘mental’. One would think that this is a little extreme in describing those who ‘click’ and, in particular, Jeremy Corbyn supporters. Except that Yougov has done a survey of the profile of Corbynistas and has found that they are exceptionally extreme in their left views, are dreamers rather than realists, describe themselves as ‘imaginative’ rather than good with numbers, welcome rapid change, do not support the established order or the monarchy and are at the lower end of social groupings. So they are what they seem.

  • JB

    If I click like am I a Pig-ignorant click activist?

  • Lord Runcibald

    Haha good article!

  • Benthos

    Good blog, thanks!

  • gelert

    Rod is on Facebook ?

    Shome, mishtake, surely ?

  • Roger van der Velde

    I voted for him because he talks sense (unlike you). I didn’t need to be pressed into it. People like you ‘foisted’ Blairism onto everyone. That’s nothing to be proud of. The only person who ever seems to be “shouting loudest” is you, your ‘colleague’ Toby Young and the rest of the right-wing rabble who squawk a lot about having things forced upon you, but are happy to force feeble-minded opinions on everyone else. Pipe down Liddle, you’re a has-been and very few people care what you think.

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