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Britain has the lowest percentage of women engineers in Europe. Why?

Plus: Lore’s Story on Radio 4, a beautifully honest series of audio conversations about dementia and death

2 May 2015

9:00 AM

2 May 2015

9:00 AM

‘It’s hard to know how to tell this story,’ she said as she began. ‘Because it’s so loaded. It’s so heavy-duty.’ Lore Wolfson was talking about the death of her husband, Paul, or rather about the onset of the illness that led him a year later to take an overdose of heroin, aged 61. He had been diagnosed with early-onset dementia, in a peculiarly aggressive form, rapidly losing his words, his memory, his capacity to work or function independently. Lore began recording her conversations with Paul very soon after they knew for sure why he was having word-finding difficulties. ‘It was the natural thing to do,’ she said, because she’s a radio producer and, for her, keeping an audio diary was more natural than writing things down. It was also, she now says, ‘a way of keeping Paul’s voice with me’.

Lore’s Story (Radio 4, Monday night) does sound in outline very ‘heavy-duty’, but as told by Lore and through Paul’s own words it was anything but heavy-laden. They go on holiday to the far north of Scotland, taking the night train and travelling first-class. Something Paul had always wanted to do but never done. The illness had begun to take hold of his mental functioning, and Paul knew by then ‘he was going somewhere unknowable’, but he was determined to enjoy it.

Paul was a psychiatrist and understood, with perhaps too much clarity, exactly how his illness would progress. He tells Lore that sooner rather than later there will be a sudden change and ‘my brain will stop working very well. My face will become different. And I won’t really have much of a memory left.’ It all sounds so very bleak (and especially because Paul’s first wife had spent years in a care home suffering from the degenerative condition, Huntington’s disease). But eavesdropping on their conversations was anything but depressing because of their frankness with each other, and their ability to think beyond the illness, beyond its horror and cruelty.

Paul starts losing his way once he leaves the house (Lore doesn’t know about this), but discovers that, whereas he used to think people were not very kind, in fact ‘most people are very kind’, helping him get back. In their last conversation, he tells Lore, ‘I’m not as important as I thought I was.’ But without bitterness, adding, ‘I think overwhelmingly that the children are important.’ He and Lore had two small children, aged six and nine, and most of all he wanted them to remember him as he was when well; not the incontinent, demented person he knew he would become, unable to recognise them and ‘not caring about them’.


When Lore discovered Paul’s body lying on the sofa, a photograph of his parents beside him, a bunch of flowers by the door, a Valium pill on her pillow, it was not so much of a shock because they had had this conversation. ‘I understood Paul’s thinking. It made sense to me.’

This was so intimate, so revealing, it could have felt like snooping or as if we were being given too much information. But actually it was just so truthful, so pragmatic, I would recommend this half-hour to anyone going through a similar experience.

It’s always a surprise when walking from the Spectator office round the corner into Parliament Square to see the imposing Victorian headquarters of the Institution of Mechanical Engineers. How prestigious engineers must once have been (so close to the heart of government). And how wealthy (it’s a very grand building).

In fact, engineering does still contribute 25 per cent towards the nation’s GDP but you would never think so from the way politicians so often forget its importance to the economy and from its loss of status among the professions (just compare the salaries of a top engineer with those of a doctor, head teacher or politician). It’s even more of a no-go area for young women, who are not encouraged to study the Stem (science, technology, engineering and maths) subjects at either school or university. In Britain’s Hidden Talent: Women Engineers (Radio 4, Friday) Susan Marling wanted to find out why Britain has the lowest percentage of women engineers in Europe, at just six per cent, the same percentage as in 1919.

Engineering is still ‘tragically misunderstood and undersold’, failing to advertise that it no longer requires blue overalls and de-greasing soap. On the contrary, it’s much more about designing software, overseeing the construction of Crossrail, or, in the case of Jane Wernick, designing the London Eye across the South Bank of the Thames. She’s a structural engineer, who loves ‘the beauty of the well-solved problem’ but despairs of the small number of women in her profession. (Other European countries such as Sweden can boast that 25 per cent of its engineers are women.)

Maybe this is all about to change? The boss of AECOM, the huge engineering firm behind the Crossrail project in London, has declared himself to be ‘a feminist’. Wernick, though, knows there is a long way to go. ‘I would like to be interviewed about a project one day,’ she told Marling, ‘and not about being a woman engineer.’

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  • Oddsbods

    Real engineers, that is people with a degree in an engineering subject, were always capable of donning overalls and getting down to basics, but they usually don’t need to do it that often. Their job is to design whatever is being built or constructed, take the responsibility for function and safety and control timing and costs.. In Britain the title engineer has unfortunately become degraded and is used to cover a multitude of trades none of which require the skills of a competent engineering graduate. Nothing works in any advanced society without engineers, it is a profession to be proud of, other countries recognise this more.

    • BARROSO

      I don’t think the title has been degraded, the term never had the same meaning as it does in other places/languages. Engineer has long been the term used for the bloke with a spanner fixing things, it always was on the trains etc.
      We need a new title really, one for actual engineering graduates to set them apart from the engineers.

      • Mr B J Mann

        No, the bloke with a spanner fixing things was the mechanic.

        The bloke with the spanner fitting things was the fitter.

        If he was AN “engineer” it was shorthand for engineering works operative, machinist, or some such.

        Meanwhile “Engineer” was shorthand for (professional/chartered) Military/Civil/Mechanical/Structural/Municipal…… Engineer.

    • UnionJihack

      We must not further deskill our workforce, yadda yadda yadda.
      And then we do precisely the opposite.

  • kingkevin3

    I do wish women would stop this rubbish about not being encouraged to study a hard science or software engineering. Anyone can do it with sufficient motivation and interest. Ever heard of the internet?It’s all there for free. So stop whinging and just get on with it if you are interested. If you’re not and the number remains at 6% don’t blame anyone but yourselves.

    • Richard Evans

      True. There are countless schemes, grants etc young women can get (that young men can’t) if they go into engineering. They choose not to. Yet the “shortage” of young men going into nursing is ignored.

  • Dogsnob

    Because to become an engineer, one has to be studious and to be studious in a British state school, is to commit social suicide. You want more engineers of either sex, then find out how this situation came about – and do something about it.

  • frank davidson

    The word is “Professional Engineer” that is a corporate member of the Council of Engineering Institutions and designated C. Eng. Other countries notably the Americans, French and Germans recognise engineers with much higher salaries, probably why many British engineers work overseas.

    • Som Trivedi

      Well said.

      Why study science for many years and then hunt for a decently paid job as an engineer when you can earn significantly more as a ‘financial adviser’ selling mortgages and protection in London to clueless clients who wouldn’t be able to tell you what 10% of 100 was without using a caluclator?

    • Mr B J Mann

      I remember meeting an American exchange student when studying Civil Engineering.

      He told me he was studying Architecture, and I assumed he must be a highly qualified, very bright high flyer.

      Until he said wow, he wanted to be a Civil Engineer, but I couldn’t get the grades!

  • Many valid points already raised as Engineer definition is exceptionally vague in the UK and poorly rewarded. To my thinking lack of women in the profession is also down to early years education where engineering & technology is of a low priority for the girls.

    Being a product of continental education in my youth the lads just couldn’t escape girls in any subject and they were always there where many excelled in subjects that are perceived as a ‘man thing in the UK’ and this must change.

    At the time we had free seating choices in our classrooms and the worst punishment we as ‘lads’ got for being naughty in a class was to have to sit next to a girl!!

  • andylowings

    Put 50 children in a room full of baby dolls, and meccano and there’s your answer.

    • Bonkim

      Can you get Meccano any more?

      • Richard Evans

        Yes, but it’s owned by the French now.

  • cromwell

    Because engineers wear naff clothes.

  • rtj1211

    My non-PC theory is that many of the best engineers have an emotional age of about 12, which is a time when boys form gangs and keep well clear of those revolting girls. And if they grow out of that stage in adulthood, then they go through the furtive leering at girl’s tits across the room which is your 14 year old first school disco scenario par excellence……

    Of course, not all are like that.

    But if enough were, perhaps it wouldn’t be the most conducive environment to be female in??!!

  • Patrick Swan

    The dearth of Male teachers may have something to do with it.

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