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Yes, Britain is a Christian country

David Cameron is right — the evidence is overwhelming

26 April 2014

9:00 AM

26 April 2014

9:00 AM

I can’t say it was a great surprise to read a letter from a group of well-known authors, academics, comedians and politicians in the Telegraph earlier this week complaining about David Cameron’s description of Britain as a ‘Christian country’. As a general rule, any acknowledgment of Britain’s Christian heritage has members of the liberal intelligentsia reaching for their keyboards and angrily typing out words like ‘sectarian’, ‘alienation’ and ‘division’.

As Harry Cole argued in a blog post for The Spectator, the evidence that Britain is a Christian country is overwhelming. We have an established church, our head of state is also the defender of the faith and 59 per cent of us define ourselves as ‘Christian’. So why does the secular left feel obliged to deny this every time someone points it out?

No doubt it has something to do with a concern for the 41 per cent of Britons who don’t see themselves as Christians. They’re worried that worshippers of other religions will be discriminated against in some way — or, even if they’re not, that they’ll feel as if they are. For the Prime Minister to acknowledge that Christianity is more intimately bound up with our history and identity than, say, Islam, is to offend against the dogma of egalitarianism. Equality before the law isn’t enough. Non-Christians must regard themselves as equally respected — and so the secular left has done its best to make any disrespect of other religions a criminal offence.

I don’t wish to get into the rights and wrongs of this doctrine here, only to point out that it owes a great deal to Christianity, as does the secular left in general. Indeed, I don’t think it’s an exaggeration to describe the Labour party as a Christian political party.

I’m not just talking about the links between nonconformism, political radicalism and trade unionism, extensive though they are. I also mean the principle of equality itself, which originated in the idea that all men are equal in the eyes of God. After all, if you take away the idea that God created man in his own image, the notion that human life is sacred, that we’re all entitled to various rights irrespective of how we behave, doesn’t make much sense. If we feel an attachment to this idea in spite of not believing in God, it’s because some residue of Christian morality has remained, not because it’s possible to base this doctrine on a rational foundation.

Theo Hobson pointed this out in his Spectator cover story on Christianity last week and the same observation was made by the American writer Marilynne Robinson when discussing the Declaration of Independence. ‘Is it self-evident that all are created equal?’ she asked. ‘Only in a religious conception.’ This link, between equality and Christian theology, is now regarded as incontrovertible by many left-wing intellectuals, including Terry Eagleton. In Reason, Faith and Revolutions: Reflections on the God Debate, he acknowledges that his own evangelical socialism has its roots in Christian morality.

An additional point worth making is that the decline of Christianity in the developed world, particularly among the working class, has significantly contributed to the social and economic deprivation that the secular left claims to be so troubled by. In Coming Apart, the American social scientist Charles Murray argues that the freewheeling liberalism espoused by the left in the 1960s and 1970s is partly responsible for the miseries of today’s underclass. It was this philosophy that helped persuade working-class women it was socially acceptable to have children out of wedlock, convinced working-class men it was OK not to have a job, and removed any stigma attached to drug-taking, alcoholism and criminality.

The great irony of this debate is that the letter-writers who criticised David Cameron’s embrace of Christianity have not themselves abandoned Christian virtues. They may have endorsed secular liberalism in theory, but not in practice. By and large, they are happily married, bring up their children responsibly, pay their taxes, obey the law, give back to society, don’t drink to excess, don’t take drugs and believe in the value of hard work. If they really wanted to help the poor and dispossessed like the good Christians that they are, they would put aside their fears of appearing ‘judgmental’ and recommend that everyone live by these rules, instead of criticising anyone who dares to espouse the moral framework that underpins them.

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Toby Young is associate editor of The Spectator.

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  • David Lindsay

    “The secular Left”? In the midst of Cameron’s “Christian country” spiel, he was calling the Police on the Bishop of Oxford for having dared to deliver a petition on food poverty to his constituency office.

    It was Enoch Powell who insisted that Christianity had no political implications whatever, and it is the likes of the Adam Smith Institute and the Institute of Economic Affairs that are fiercely of the view that churches ought to behave as if that were the case.

    You never, ever hear that from even the most militantly atheistic sections of the British Left, with which extremely few of those letter-writers to the Daily Telegraph were identifiable, and who in any case pointedly did not say that. You never have done. Well, of course not.

    I expect, however, that you would hear what amounted to precisely that over the gins in the golf club bars of Tory and UKIP country: “Christmas Carol Services for the kiddies, and giving a nignog a good kicking so that he knew his place, which was in Nignogland. That was what it was all about, before the C of E succumbed to Political Correctness gone MAAADDD!!!”

    In all fairness to the dear old Church of England, no, it most certainly was not.

    • ohforheavensake

      Y’know- this short comment is considerably more intelligent than Toby’s article.

    • Damon

      “I expect, however, that you would hear what amounted to precisely that
      over the gins in the golf club bars of Tory and UKIP country: “Christmas
      Carol Services for the kiddies, and giving a nignog a good kicking so
      that he knew his place, which was in Nignogland.”

      An entirely fair representation of us Cameronian Conservatives. Yes, that’s exactly how we think, and exactly the sort of thing we say. I’d like to add more, but I’m just off to “the golf club” to erect a flaming cross on the fairway.

      You’re also quite right to suggest there’s no difference at all between us and UKIP.

  • Roy

    Britain should be a British country. Then they started giving it away.

    • Bonkim

      It is.

      • Roy

        Is it?

        • Bonkim

          Depends on how you define Britishness – Look back at your own family history and where they came from.

          British traits were mainly upper class and public school or colonial military history mainly from Victorian times and as set out in literature and history.

          The common serf or labouring classes did not make into British culture, they frequently aspired to be included when they could afford it. Working class/later socialist/Labour/liberal mindsets were all inclusive although adopting the earlier standards of the upper classes as their basic reference point.

          In those terms ‘British’ is a cultural construct that all aspire to – and universal – not a petty minded racial or territorial concept that lesser nations cling to.

          Looking at it another way your Great Grand Daddy resurrected in today’s Britain would be dumbfounded at the low standards prevailing re- morality, social behaviour, working standards, and language – he will have difficulty communicating with you. Things are always evolving/changing and those who stick in a hole imagining of a past utopia get covered up.

          • cartimandua

            Mine came from Scotland Cornwall and Kent. To go back further on one side I would have to look through Guild records pre 1600.

          • Bonkim

            Self identity is in many layers and product of history and shared experience, not necessarily territorial, ethnic or sectarian.

          • cartimandua

            People are not at all likely to have an identity which takes no account at all of their family or country’s history. Even an orphan who never knows his or her parents has an identity drawn from environment.
            No one operates in year zero and it would be very undesirable if they did.

          • Bonkim

            among other aspects – not discounting family and tribal loyalties – in many layers – people belong to many groups some stronger than ours – so no contradiction.

          • Roy

            Don’t lecture me on Britishness thank you, I’m old enough and wise enough to know exactly what is taking place, you are only touching on the nitty-gritty of it.

          • Bonkim

            So what are you doing about to change what you don’t like instead of talking in riddles. The context here is ‘Christian Country’.

          • Roy

            Isn’t it the Archbishops of Canterbury past and present who speak in riddles? Isn’t it the Prime Minister, his cabinet and the leaders of the opposition who speak in riddles? Isn’t it the leaders of the EU and the leaders of the UN that speak in riddles? When have you last heard the truth of what is taking place in Britain? Who comes and goes on the borders without a murmur? What the true policy of their administration is? When is anything ever going to be done about the biggest ever anti British propaganda machine, the BBC? While the hoi polloi play and fiddle the leaders take us day dreaming down the path of fragmentation and decay.

          • Bonkim

            We live in a complex world and no longer in isolation from others. Britain has a dependency index of over 75% which means we cannot simply lift the drawbridge and go into hibernation.

            People are moving about fast and in numbers, Skills, goods and services move across national boundaries. If you feel we can close ourself – Britain will not last long – politicians, businesses, and the media live in the real world. Yes there are pressures and governments need to and by and large do what is practical, cost effective.and in compliance with Britain’s EU and international commitments.

            Your problem really is that circumstances are changing faster than it did say 50 or 100 years back, information moves at the speed of light today – not that of transatlantic steamers.

            It is for you to address your concerns through your MP or local councillor as appropriate instead of assuming you are surrounded by dark conspiracy. The BBC gives fairly rational and impartial coverage and analysis of most topics. Equally there is diversity of views across the political spectrum, media, and public views – not all will agree with and you need not agree with all. Like it or not – that is how a democratic system works in practice.

          • Roy


          • Bonkim

            Check out and find the real world.

          • Roy

            Your assumptions that your opinion is sacrosanct does you no credit. You are as alike as the ruling elite and the intellectual airheads of academia; they can do no wrong. All is well with the world. Anyone speaking to the contrary is advocating hibernation or speaking nonsense. I will continue to say what I have to say and don’t need prompting to how I should think or a dialogue on how my thoughts (what few I have presented) are of a previous era and not of the present fast and furious modern day politically correct variety. It is sad to hear such self satisfaction when Britain has been seen to have lost such vast amounts of wealth through the deplorable, inexcusable, and gullible, political and banking fraternity. Unfortunately it is the lower rungs of society that miss out. The CEO’s of whatever brand that still get their bonuses alongside their over the top salaries. It is the lower rung who find themselves in a government subsidised existence from idiotic practices that encourages dependence on hand outs. Yet still throughout the down turn we find government through continual borrowing on future generations can find sufficient funds to welcome incoming migrants, their families, and dependants. Can still find the funds to keep the EU and the UN alive, along with the irrational giving to the third world.

          • Bonkim

            No one is suggesting you have a right to your views, only real world economics and expectations.

            Wealth is not your bank balance or what was created yesterday – it has to be created continuously or is lost or devalued. I would go along that small is beautiful in government and that it has been profligate in many areas – but that is democracy – operated by pressure groups and election calculations by political parties. And borrowing is part of economics – or it will not function – as is the concept that wealth created by future generations will pay today’s spending. WW” war bonds are a perpetual debt – will never be paid off – only the interest. Infrastructure debt is spread over years/decades. You may not like that but otherwise nothing will be built.

            You cannot deny the average working man has improved his lot many times over since WW2. Health, and welbeing scores are much higher, social services, and the NHS despite criticism have made life comfortable for the least well off in society – and Britain despite what you think is in the to 6 or 7 economies in the world – for its size (less than 1% of world population – right up in the league tables. Innovative, and still punching above its weight.

            So not all gloom and doom.

            If you want real doom and gloom – think of the population explosion across the globe, accelerated consumption and heightened expectations, and fast depletion of water, land, energy, and mineral resources, global warming, and climate change. The rich Bankers and CEOs with seven digit bonuses will not be spared. Our discussion on Britain will disappear in oblivion. Mankind’s tenure on earth is limited – may be a century or two if not decades.

            Enjoy life when the sun is shining.

          • Roy

            Face up to the facts. You can walk around laughing your cotton socks off for all I care. You can live in cloud cuckoo land. Sooner or later you will wake up and find you are part of the global squalor with all the inherited British freedoms nowhere to be seen. You have given them away and tried to share the little that’s left with the ones that have no conception of freedom and democracy. Instead of a gleaming light to the world, Britain has become a fading star. An experiment to the limp wristed multicultural denizens, given up to sharing this small island nation to the anti christen mob of the enemies of our church.

          • Bonkim

            Britain is not a fading star. It was/is great because many get on with doing things rather than criticizing – regards Christianity it is a belief system which most in Britain today don’t believe in. Nothing to do with multiculturalism which is just a political slogan and few take it seriously.

            You can adopt whatever culture you want to – you have your freedom. Culture is not a coercive force – but that which people adopt voluntarily – and as said earlier culture, faith, language, etc, all evolve with time. In fact the Victorians adopted many cultural traits from the Empire. the English language and food habits have been enriched from contributions from across the globe.

            I bet the culture and values you have in your mind would be alien to a Victorian Gent who did not think of his world as ‘little England’. Doubt if he will understand your language. Words such as freedom and democracy were used little in the 19th century.

          • Roy

            Once again I find your assumptions to my background comical to the extreme. Now I am a Victorian Gent, obsessed with Christianity, yet the discussion is supposed to be whether we are a Christian country? I’m of the opinion that no matter what, you care little of the turn of circumstances in the UK. You defend how things have become, caring little of the old inhabitants and their cultural inheritance turned upside down. Which of course is how the immigrants see it, they have nothing to lose to see the old country and its way of life disappear for ever. The adoption of practices extreme and yes, anti Christian, anti British, and anti all the freedoms that have been fought hard for in past generations.

          • Bonkim

            read carefully ” the culture and values you have in your mind would be alien to a Victorian Gent who did not think of his world as ‘little England’. Doubt if he will understand your language. ”

            In any case what are you doing to make Britain great again if you think it is in the dumps?

          • Roy

            You read carefully: I have never said Britain is in the “dumps”. I have said, if you can get out of the habit of placing people in a slot of your making and imagination. That Britain has been mismanaged by the powers that be, and sent the UK into a downward spin. That policies like the free slather of taking in immigrants without restraint along with the financial losses made from being asleep at the wheel. These losses are unredeemable, the country has to start again from scratch. The country has borrowed too much and it has printed too much revenue in at the bargain. This is all a negative against future young people. I love the British people but I do not like many who live amongst us now and show by their actions they have no loyalty to the nation that befriends them. You do not sound like a true Britisher, you are too quick to condemn one who brings to attention the faults and the many mistakes that have been made. You sound like one of the horde that have taken refuge here.

          • Bonkim

            Britisher? Are you a Britisher? from which part of the world?

          • Roy

            Always the same, call them out and they return with a pin prick to muddy the water. In England and in the English language you are allowed some discretion to use an adaption to the general use and flow. Seeing as you are basically a foreigner you have little knowledge of the art. To think after all the attacks and innuendo, you are one of them. A sneaky little implant.

          • Bonkim

            Personal comments won’t get you far Roy – I ignore them and by making such you are obviously not a Brit. Appear to be living in deep delusion, insecurity, and surrounded by conspiracies – get help.

          • Roy

            You are anti British, denying all who speak the truth of the situation and wish Britain to continue to be blanketed with foreign elements, with no desire for the UK to return to a democracy to the British peoples liking. Rather you would adopt the scheming laws of some immigrants groups to replace the ones that have overcome adversity and been a cornerstone to keeping peace and harmony at home and throughout the world. You charge me with being personal, yet you have continually tried to incorporate a misguided figure of myself. Not as I care unduly, knowing you are the one who has an upside down way of looking at things.

          • Bonkim

            difficult to continue a discussion devoid of any intellectual merit. Good luck. Repeat – you appear to be deeply unhappy with yourself and the sad world that surrounds you – take stock of your situation, get help if needed. Britain is great despite a few sad sacks.

          • Roy


  • Marc de Salis

    “Indeed, I don’t think it’s an exaggeration to describe the Labour party as a Christian political party.”

    Many christians and almost all clergy seem to agree with you. However, when pressed for a biblical precedent for forcibly taking other peoples money from them to redistribute to the poor, or for taking out a loan equal to 80% of your salary to feed the hungry, they always seem to come up short.

  • Bonkim

    Britain is a post-Christian country although having a Christian history. It is official – straight from the Archbishop.

    Performing the crucifixion of Jesus on Good Friday does not make Britain Christian. In any case Jesus was fixed to a stake – not across and that too is a myth. Not many calling themselves Christians understand the Bible or believe in everything written – which has been interpreted variously through history.

    • Aloysius

      Purely out of interest, can I enquire as to where the idea that Jesus was “fixed to a stake – not a cross” came from. Never heard it before.

      • Bonkim

        There is controversy on the subject and you may wish to read up on the topic.

        Gehenna was the location where they got rid of criminals and murderers. In simple technical terms fitting a heavy cross beam to an erect log takes great skill and strong fixings – a luxury to impale a common criminal – that was what the Romans made Jesus out to be. Erecting a simple pale or stake – a tree trunk for example a much easier option structurally. Later artists have embellished the basic stake with various frolls including angels blowing trumpets overhead.

        There are many references and the one that sounds logical:

        “.Anglican theologian E. W. Bullinger, in The Companion Bible (which was completed and published in 1922,[3] nine years after his 1913 death), was emphatic in his belief thatstauros never meant two pieces of timber placed across one another at any angle, “but always of one piece alone … There is nothing [of the word stauros] in the Greek of the N.T. even to imply two pieces of timber.” Bullinger wrote that in the catacombs of RomeChrist was never represented there as “hanging on a cross” and that the cross was a pagan symbol of life (the ankh) in Egyptian churches that was borrowed by the Christians. He cited a letter from English Dean John William Burgon, who questioned whether a cross occurred on any Christian monument of the first four centuries and wrote: “The ‘invention’ of it in pre-Christian times, and the ‘invention’ of its use in later times, are truths of which we need to be reminded in the present day. The evidence is thus complete, that the Lord was put to death upon an upright stake, and not on two pieces of timber placed in any manner.”[4]

        Plymouth Brethren preacher W. E. Vine’s Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words also states that the primary meaning of stauros was an upright pale or stake on which malefactors were nailed for execution. Vine said the shape of the ecclesiastical form of two-beamed cross had its origin in ancient Chaldea, and was used as the symbol of the god Tammuz (taking on the shape of the mystic Tau, the initial of his name) in Chaldea and nearby lands, including Egypt. He said third century churches, which by then had departed from certain doctrines of the Christian faith, accepted pagans into the faith in order to increase their prestige and allowed them to retain their pagan signs and symbols. “Hence the Tau or T, in its most frequent form, with the cross-piece lowered, was adopted to stand for the ‘cross’ of Christ.”[5]

        In his 1871 study of the history of the cross, Episcopal preacher Henry Dana Ward similarly accepted as the only form of the gibbet on which Jesus died “a pale, a strong stake, a wooden post”,.[6] James B. Torrance in the article “Cross” in the New Bible Dictionary writes that the Greek word for “cross” (stauros; verb stauroō; Lat. crux, crucifigo, “I fasten to a cross”) means primarily an upright stake or beam, but also allows the construction that Jesus and Simon of Cyrene carried a patibulum to Golgotha.[7][8]

        You need to appreciate that most pagan symbolisms, festivals, and observations found their way into Christian rituals and observations soon after the founding of Christianity and its spread through the different tribal communities. It continues today – for example versions of Christianity practised in Latin America, Africa, and Asia, even Europe and North America have incorporated various strands of pagan and animist traditions. Converts from other religions for example maintain their class, caste, and tribal traditions and social divisions, etc.

        To conclude – Christianity as other religions are moulded by history and local cultures and the same or similar stories fabricated to suit local needs in different times.

        • Aloysius

          Interesting. Thank you very much for that clarification. Interestingly, Franciscan Friars wear simple Tau crosses rather than the traditional cruciform sort of cross.

  • cartimandua

    Our history and entire culture is bound up in and springs from Christianity and of course our pagan roots. Our development has been a process.
    So the pagan Goddess of the springs in Bath Sulis was renamed as a Roman Goddess.
    None of who we are may be understood without an understanding of those things.
    Christianity should be taught to all Muslims, Hindu etc. They would not be expected to “believe it” but if they have no grounding in it all the culture of these islands is beyond their understanding.
    Try reading Shakespeare without understanding the references. Try listening to great music, so much of it came from or was written for the church.
    Christianity should be taught as should non PC history or great tranches of young people will never understand a lot of things.
    What would and should bind us is British high culture and folk culture and not “whatever culture just turned up”.

  • rjbh

    It might be fair to sayBritain is a Zionist country being as “We” ( our government ) always supports Israel.

    • cartimandua

      An why wouldn’t we support the only decent country in the region? The Muslim treatment of women has resulted in vast population rises, youth bulges ,and unemployment in every single Muslim country.

      • rjbh

        Britain is a Zionist country therefore it is not a Christian country, Zionism equates with facistism, and racistism

        • Roy

          Your ignorance is beyond redemption. Learn to write in English and understand the parts of the world that are not covered by your diabolical organisation.

          • rjbh

            You need to relax a bit Roy, your getting uppity, for no good reason, I guess your an English free mason, pity just remember that our Muslim bros, have to shrug off racisIsm t very day… It’s like you don’t understand

          • Roy

            Nice little ‘shrugs’ you brothers have: flying airliners into the New York Twin Towers, setting of explosives in the London underground and slaughtering people on the streets. Not to mention the myriads of suicide bombers throughout the world killing more women and children.
            What nice persuasive manners you all have.

          • rjbh

            No mention there then Roy about the million Iraqs we killed for no reason other than they had oil we needed to take from them… Twin towers Roy. I guess they go off lightly.

          • Roy

            The Twin Towers came first remember? Iraq refused to continue allowing inspectors search for weapons of mass destruction. Any oil was bartered for or payed for, as is the over fairness with the free western nations.

          • rjbh

            Nonsense Roy. There never were these” WMD”. It was never about WMD It was all about Oil. And how we could help our self. It really matters not a jot if the twins were hit before or after, We have in for Muslims that do not conform to our will, we write a blank cheque to Israel to allow them to do what they like doing best, Keeping the Muslims under the Yoke.

          • Roy

            It is you who talk nonsense. Of course it was 9/11 that set the ball rolling. When are you going to admit it was Muslims and their freaked out jealous attitude toward the West who are responsible. The west needs oil, but they pay for it! Who has benefited from what Iraqi oil? What are these blank cheques that Israel benefits from? It is the Palestinians that get all the cheques … massive amounts from the US. Not as they get any thanks for it! Israel has a good economy that keeps that country going. It is only in its defense from the warring tribes around it that it has any need of help. What “will” do Muslims have to conform to? More like the “will” of the Muslim leaders that anybody has to conform to! What “Yoke” other than their own religion do the Muslims have to conform to? You talk a lot of sheer rubbish, it just grinds that your country of origin can not get its act together and earn its keep in the world (other than oil, free from the ground). The Arab countries should take a leaf out of Israel’s book and make the desert bloom along with their industrial economy.

  • Terry Field

    interesting comments from the Archbisop of Cant this week.
    He clearly cares not a fig about the real condition of the people – he identifies himself as a religious bolshevic – for him a tight inner core of ‘believers’ is all that is needed and the vast horde of the British can do what they wish.
    I agree with him there, but why is he so inconsistant. If he cares for the inner core of ‘quality believers’ then why does he effect o socio-political stance that puts him square in the Labour party and whines on about mass suffering and the ruthlessness of the is monstrously ‘evil’ government.
    Reasons are easy to find.
    He only cares about the political dimension of the church, since that is relevant to the continuation of the institution and thus his pleasant meal-ticket.
    Can’t keep an oil man down when mamon is on the agenda can we.
    If there are few ‘believers’ but the ruling nabobs defer to the institution as an imprimatur of their authority, then job done, and his salary continues.
    His economic competence goes no further than recognising the perpetual efficacy of massive transfer payments to the ‘poor’ irrespective of the context, the effect or the out-turn of such actions.
    This contempt for intellectual rigor comes naturally to the C of E, since it has no intellectual basis for existence other than ‘might makes right’ and the populist front together with God is Love ( oh yeah, tell that to the Lawyers who act for the Church in property matters!) leaves them up a gum tree when a government actually takes the unprecedented step of doing something with the future in mind, rather than pleasing the opinion polls day by day.

  • cartimandua

    Bonkim what tripe. There is and has been folk culture as well as high culture in these islands for .. well ever really. The “serf” also was part of a culture belonging to and arising from this climate and this land mass.

  • peter pullman

    Christianity, like all religion, is metaphysical nonsense. David Hume (a good Tory by the way) pointed this out 250 years ago in the clearest possible terms. There really is nothing more to say.

    • SAks

      Metaphorical nonsense? So the command of turning your cheek, loving one another and helping the poor is nonsense? LOL and what do you believe sir?

  • Hereward

    Good article , except he shd have prefaced it by saying “3rd rate well known etc etc”, which is well illustrated by the poor English in their infamous letter, twisitng of the facts and general intolrance typical of the the 3rd rate ideoligist. Not suprisingly, such publications are likely to prove counter-productive, as the responses clearly showing the tolerance and understanding of the human condition so prevalent in Christainity illustrate. They also remind people of the good charitable work done by christian instutions throughout the land.
    Finally, as good ‘right on’ lefties they shd have stuck to one of their shibboleths, ‘perception is reality’. So, if 60% of the population defines itself as christian but rarely goes to church Christianity is still the majority religion no matter how hard the pc secular leftie establishment try and deny it.

  • Matthew N Renee

    How awesome is Jesus to have changed the world we live in so thoroughly and effectively that 2000 years later we can still argue whether He is still relevant, prominent, or just another one of the bums who claimed to have the answer. He probably should have said Britain WAS a Christian country and would benefit to return to it’s foundations. The character of Jesus Christ is unassailable. No one else can stake claim to the title of Perfect. Even Jewish scholars and Muslim theologians call Jesus a prophet but not the Son of God…. So.. wait.. He himself said he was the Messiah so either He was an evil lying narcissist or He was who He said He was. No disrespect to other people, I just believe an honest man speaks the truth. Is that not what honesty means. Only one person offers Salvation through taking our punishment. If you believe yourself to be good and in no need of a Saviour please take stock of your own morality. How many lies have you told? How many times have you put the wants of your own over the needs of your neighbour? How many times have you thought a lustful, murderous, or covetous thought? How many times have you used God’s name in vain? All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God including me who has sinned more than you all. I have been redeemed by the Love, Grace, and Mercy of Jesus who bore my sins and took my punished in exchange for His righteousness. He gave me His Spirit to live a new life. Thank you, Jesus. Please hear my heart in this. There is only One Way. It is Jesus.

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  • Sabrina Mendez

    Well, nothing gladdens me more than to see that even in this day and age, there are still people in Britain (no matter how few there may be), that still look upon it as an essentially and intrinsically CHRISTIAN country. And why not? Israel declares itself a Jewish state, India has already declared itself a Hindu state, so why can’t Britain be Christian? Why are you so scared to use that word to describe every aspect of your culture? Are you not denying the obvious? All Britons must remember that Britain was GREAT BRITAIN only when it was Christian. That “greatness” is fading away now only because you’ve meaninglessly embraced multiculturalism, thus diluting what was essentially Christendom at it’s greatest and best. LONG LIVE CHRISTIAN BRITAIN!

  • CL

    Wow, could not have said it better!
    I have long been trying to make atheists understand that their values come from God…. without God they would not have the values that they have….
    their values come from that very residual you mention…. that very residual they choose to deny as if that makes them correct.

  • Yeti Edwards

    Nicely put Toby, thanks