Rod Liddle

What are we supposed to say when a grooming ring comes to light?

7 September 2013

9:00 AM

7 September 2013

9:00 AM

It is a tragedy that some of us are born in the wrong times. According to that increasingly gobby conduit of right-on morality, the NSPCC, girls these days feel compelled to act like porn stars in order to ingratiate themselves with boys. I am not sure quite what, in day to day life, this involves. I only know that they made no similar attempts during my adolescence, or if they did I didn’t notice. I vaguely recall one young lady in my school class telling me, when I was 14, that she had engaged in sexual intercourse the previous night with a boy from a neighbouring town. ‘What was it like, Debs?’ I asked, wide-eyed. ‘Didn’t touch the fucking sides,’ Debs spat with all the contempt she could muster. I suppose that’s quite a porny thing to say, in retrospect. She was cute and scary, Debs, and I was terrified of her. But I never felt that there was an ingratiation process going on; quite the reverse, really. Girls held the whip hand when I was a teenager: it is a tragedy that some of us are born in the wrong times.

Back then, girls were less likely to be seen as ‘victims’ of male sexual aggrandisement, either because nobody cared if they were victims or not, or because they really were not victims to such an extent as they seem to be today, if you follow my drift. They were the ‘gatekeepers’ of their sexuality, and those gates were — in most cases, if not Debs’s — guarded with rather more vigilance than is the case now.

It is also true that back then we did not have gangs of semi-educated Muslim men preying on young white girls on the basis that since they were not Muslim their degradation did not matter one jot in the eyes of Allah. Because they were already in a state of degradation as an unfortunate consequence of not being Muslim — so no harm, then. As we now know, white working-class girls suffered years and years of serial sexual abuse in our frowsy and dilapidated north-western former mill-towns — Rochdale, Blackburn, Burnley, Oldham and so on — the crimes even encroaching into what is these days called the south-east of England, i.e. Oxford. As we have come to learn, political correctness prevented earlier action being taken against the vile and half-witted men who perpetrated these crimes; and even now to suggest that there is a specific cultural problem in the way in which some, perhaps a great many, Muslim men view women from faiths which differ to their own, is to be labelled a racist in some shrill and mentally deficient quarters.


You are certainly required, as a journalist, to point out, when reporting yet another repulsive incident of what has come to be called the ‘grooming’ and subsequent assault of underage white girls by Muslim men, that the majority of sexual offences against children in this country are carried out by lone white males of various religious denomination. The reason for this absurd caveat is simply crowd control — and also a wish on behalf of the spineless journalist to make clear that while Muslims can from time to time behave naughtily, we whitey Christians are even more naughty, really.

Which is, in the case of sexual abuse against underage girls, deluding, because according to the 2001 census data only 2.7 per cent of the population of the UK is Muslim. You may find this figure surprising, given the amount of attention Muslim stuff gets in the press. But this is either because we are wholly irrationally prejudiced against Muslims much more than we are prejudiced against the adherents of every other religion, or that when it comes to bad stuff, Muslims punch way above their weight. One of the two, then — you call it. No, really, I’d rather it came from you. I hope you understand.

The latest report of the grooming of a non-Muslim girl comes not from the white working class, who were always treated with suspicion when they took their complaints to the impeccably liberal middle-class authorities, and marked down as racists, but from the Sikhs — who had an even harder time of it convincing the Old Bill, and the social services, that something seriously remiss was going on. The authorities seem to have decided that the Sikhs were racist too. So a bunch of some 50 Sikh men reportedly trashed a Muslim-run restaurant in the multicultural nirvana of Leicester after having failed to gain redress through the more appropriate and official channels. (The restaurant was adjacent to an apartment at which some of the abuse took place, apparently.) Some of these Sikh men have since been arrested. So, too, at last, have some of the Muslim men said to have been involved in the grooming ring.

It may be a consolation to you that Sikhs are regarded as no less fair game than girls from nominally Christian backgrounds. Self-appointed Muslim community leaders have dutifully condemned the sexual abuse but insisted that it would be wrong to blame an entire community for these horrible crimes. Well, indeed it would. Blame instead something lurking deep within the ideology, the religion, of that community; its implacability, its absolutism, its antipathy to everything which is other than itself. Be ruthless in your introspection, you community leaders, so that we might be a little less so.

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  • Noa

    “Self-appointed Muslim community leaders have dutifully condemned the
    sexual abuse but insisted that it would be wrong to blame an entire
    community for these horrible crimes.”

    Typically we read that these children were systematically raped by hundreds of men from the muslim communities, yet the number of prosecutions is far less. Perhaps, in the role and spirit of New Labour’s equality legislation, which introduced the concept of ‘hate’ crime, we should assume that all muslim men who commit or are involved in rape are guilty of sexual hate crime and accordingly subject to exemplary punishment for their offences against the kuffar community.

    You also mentioned the group reaction of the Sikh community to such behaviour. It seems to have attracted no undue criticsm from our cowering politically correct police. Would the reaction of the Police have been as timorous and mild, one wonders, if the Burnley or Bradford BNP had taken similar measures?

    And how wouId the BBC have reported it? Differently, I suspect, but, really, I’d rather it came from you. I hope you understand.

    • Alexsandr

      I think these self appointed community leaders need taking down a peg or two.

      Who are these people, have they been democratically elected? Surely the community leader who should speak out in Leicester is the mayor, the councillors or the MP, not some jumped up nobody with an axe to grind.

    • evad666

      The BBC deleted a post of the map.

  • Cymrugel

    “Be ruthless in your introspection, you community leaders, so that we might be a little less so”.
    Some hope

  • jpt4w
    • terregles2

      The BBC did not protect children from some of the people they employed. What chance would any other children being abused outwith the BBC have.?

  • Alexsandr

    And another story about Muslim abusers.

    this one killed -we dont know why

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-21442107

    • bwims

      I’d like to know the effing criteria they use for dishing out citizenship other than “increases diversity in which to rub the nose of the right”

  • alabenn

    Anyone non Muslim who has a female child should never allow them to have any contact with any Muslim family whatsoever, the female members of these families are not capable of stopping anything happening to other children as they are in as much fear as the would be victims.
    We should start investigating the possibility of stripping these people of citizenship and removing them and their vile ideology from this country.

    • willshome

      Oh you ridiculous idiot. Your female child was quite possibly delivered by a Muslim doctor and you’ll almost certainly receive medicines for her via a Muslim pharmacist at some point before she reaches adulthood – or would you rather she stay sick? Good Muslim people are good people; bad Muslim people are bad people. That’s all. Yes there is a misogynistic thread running through Muslim culture that is very reminiscent of “Victorian values” as we experienced them in this country and which has no place in modern British society. But puerile racism is no answer.

      • Shazza

        Dhimmi.

      • alabenn

        Muslims are not a race you ridiculous etc. etc.
        It depends on what you consider good, the balance of probability that a Muslim man would harm your female child is high so it would be foolish to put them in more danger than you need to.
        Yes there is a chance that she would be harmed by a indigenous male but that will not be motivated by religious ideology in that non Muslim are considered sub human and are therefore excluded from their own standards.
        Would you prefer your child to live under this culture or not, no rights to decide on her own future is what that means.

        • Jackthesmilingblack

          Islam is a race when it wants to be.
          It`s a religion when it wants to be.
          It`s a nationality when it wants to be.

          Checks the box for all three categories.

          • george

            Above all, it’s an ideology, and a totalitarian one at that.

      • chan chan

        Tell me some more about The Golden Age in Bradford…

      • The_greyhound

        The magical word.

        Anything you don’t like is “racist”.

        It’s the word the odious Joyce Thacker (OBE) used to any social worker expressing concern about the ‘grooming’ gangs operating in her parish.

        The word “racist” doesn’t refer to anything objective. It merely identifies its user as part of the problem.

      • Damon

        Sensible words, willshome, with which I fully concur – but don’t expect much support on here.

      • “Your female child was quite possibly delivered by a Muslim doctor and you’ll almost certainly receive medicines for her via a Muslim pharmacist”

        At all times, an adult was present. Even in 2013, PRIMARY schools are sending home letters to parents warning them that gangs of muslim men are sitting in cars outside schoolgates by 2:30pm.

        I’ve witnessed (on numerous occasions) young muslim men being courteous to white teenagers. However, none of that detracts from the expert view that 10,000 girls have been groomed, turned into prostitutes and addicts by gangs of (possibly) 1000 muslim men. The men having been allowed to escape virtually scot-free between 1988 and 2008.

        And all the while, the middle-class elite, and the sanctimonious devout muslim leaders, accusing the family of these schoolgirl victims of being “racists”.

      • ItinerantView

        “puerile racism is no answer.”

        Neither is your fatuous cultural equivalence.

  • Keith D

    I am sick to my stomach of the Muslim filth infesting my country.And yet if I speak out I’m the one on a charge.
    This is how an occupying hostile army behaves.Despite media complicity what lunacy persuades people this is somehow not the case?.Get these sickos out of my country.

    • Shazza

      How?

    • willshome

      I’d guess this is rather more how a certain element of British manhood has behaved in Thailand and elsewhere when visiting as “sex tourists”. I do not consider my nation to be defined by them; I do not expect British Muslims consider their religion to be defined by similar scumbags. It took years for the British legal system to tackle sex crimes abroad; I trust this similar phenomenon will soon be equally tightly controlled.

      • Noa

        How?

      • bwims

        Try investigating the Koran. Supposedly written as the words of God relayed to “the perfect man” who is the model for all muslims, a man who slaughtered his enemies, raped their women, had critics assassinated, thinks Jews and Christians are pigs and monkeys, and was a paedophile to boot. Compare and contrast with the life of Jesus, and you come to the inevitable conclusion that Christians do bad things in spite of their “perfect man”, and muslims do bad things BECAUSE of their “perfect man”.

        It’s very easy for a champagne socialist (at best) or a muslim sock puppet (at worst) to pour forth your ex-cathedra pronouncements, but the world isn’t defined by your expectations.

    • Damon

      Well, Keith, some reasonable people, who might also be less than enthused about mass immigration, may nonetheless see phrases such as, ‘the Muslim filth infesting my country’ as a tad offensive. I don’t believe you should be ‘on a charge’ for what you say – I’m not Tony Blair. But you’ll find people more ready to listen to you if you express yourself in civil and decent language.

      • Shazza

        Well maybe some of us are a tad weary of being described as ‘kuffrs, infidels, pigs, sons of dogs, etc. etc.’ by the Muslim filth infesting the country.

      • harmonicaman

        Well, this “kuffar, this “animal”, can fully accept why Mr D holds such an opinion.

  • Bonkim

    Call the Police – and Muslim or non-Muslim – remember the ‘Don’t talk to a stranger’ ads – and stranger or someone you know, keep children away – not all child molesters or rapists are Muslim – don’t take any chances with anyone.

  • franknowzad

    Predators will always exist. My concern is the taxpayer funded “Social(ist) Services who have created an army of victims waiting to have their lives ruined.
    Rather than adoption at birth the socialists pay no-hopers, who cannot look after themselves and have to beg off the dole, to breed children which will be neglected. When the children become old enough to cause trouble they are sent off to the childrens Gulags where they run amok and come to the attention of “groomers.” All for roughly twice the price of sending the kids to Eton.
    The real paedos here are the social services.

    • Icebow

      Or the ‘SS’ as they are known in certain files.

    • Max07

      ‘All for roughly twice the price of sending the kids to Eton.’ … Reminds me of an article that appeared some years back in a local newspaper. It bemoaned the cost of keeping inmates in a local mental institution, and concluded that ‘you could send them to Roedean for that.’

  • willshome

    Rod Liddle has the gall to call himself a “journalist”? In the sense of a professional truth-teller (rare enough, I grant you, in this country these days) he fails miserably. Yes the majority of girls abused by these gangs have already been failed by the adults of their own white community in many ways, leaving them vulnerable. Yes, the Muslim community has a misogynist element that has been shielded by the tentative nature of official law enforcement. Both failings need dealing with in an intelligent manner to protect our young women and girls. But “we are wholly irrationally prejudiced against Muslims much more than we are prejudiced against the adherents of every other religion, or that when it comes to bad stuff, Muslims punch way above their weight. One of the two, then — you call it. “? You are attempting to posit a totally falacious “excluded middle” . You must either be very stupid or assume we are.

    • Shazza

      Your euphemistic description of the followers of the religion of peace flies in the face of fact. Rod is one of the few journalists who has the b…….s to put his head above the parapet walls – dhimmis like you will ensure that the flag of islam will fly over Westminster and Buckingham Palace in the not too distant future. BTW, do you have any close young female relatives? Be sure to educate them as to the islamic joys that await them., eg., Burkas, FGM, marital violence, etc. etc. It seems to me that you mirror the ‘misogynist element’ that you so quaintly ascribe to the moslems.

    • Icebow

      I’m not sure whether you’re just grossly naïve or a cynical, collaborative, apologist. Either way, you are helping to facilitate the ascendancy of the Terminator Faith, the religious version of the Borg, which, among other cultural atrocities, would effect the destruction of all figurative art and all means of music. Yes, there are nice Mohammedans (I know some) and nasty ones, but there is only one Mohammedanism, and it is on the side of the nasty ones; who will have the (kuffar-made) guns anyhow.
      The slime-mould of death, with no redeeming features, Godless as Hell.

    • bwims

      You are either a fecking idiot or a muslim sock puppet. One of the two, then – you call it.

    • John Clegg

      Sir, you are beyond descriptive words for your defense of the medieval actions of some Muslim men. To my knowledge, it’s only Muslim gangs that target young white girls and, likewise, I haven’t yet heard of a case of white males publicly decapitating a Muslim man in a London Street.

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    “What are we supposed to say when a grooming ring comes to light?”
    Check the BNP website for suggestions. Those guys seem to be on the case.

    • Simon Fay

      “What are we supposed to say when a grooming ring comes to light?”

      The CPS’s stock response is something along the lines of “I bet you always thought (inset old-school-celeb-name) was dodgy when he was on the chat-show circuit, didn’t you? Well, it’s NOT just Muslim gangs, see…”.

  • evad666

    Agreed the Sikh complaints should have been the canary warning us of muslim excesses.

  • evad666

    http://kafircrusaders.wordpress.com/2012/10/05/map-of-the-muslim-grooming-and-paedo-epidemic-in-britain/

    The interactive map of incidents highlights the willful blindness of authorities too the problem.

    • allymax bruce

      Don’t click on the link above; it leads to a prohibited site. I clicked on it, and the prohibited site came up. Fortunately, I don’t allow access to any prohibited site, and I was stopped before the access page.
      It’s more than likely a police search for ‘intetested party’s’ anyway; the police looking for perps on the Spectator!
      There’s nearly 200 asian gangs they should’ve been looking for during the Labour years!

      • evad666

        Nah it still works

        • allymax bruce

          But that doesn’t make any sense; my smart phone is set to disallow ‘prohibited sites; sites you have to sign-in for access, and my ‘disallow access’ to your link definitely means the content in your link is prohibited. So, what’s that all about? And what’s with the monikeer ‘evad666’ ?

  • Remittance Man

    This is a more general point, but what I find perplexing is how certain “approved” minorities manage to get into a position of dominating the national agenda.

    According to the 2001 census (the last one for which results are available) Britain is 91% white, yet race dominates everything. From the same source we discover muslims constitute barely 3% of the population, yet they seem to receive a far greater share of attention in the news and politics. And depending upon the agenda of the survey takers*, homosexuals represent between 1 and 7% of the population, yet they get special an inordinate amount of official attention.

    Why is it that so much time and energy is spent worrying about these special cases involving a tiny majority of the population?

    *The agenda presumably being to either minimise or maximise their numbers to suit the purposes of their argument.

    • allymax bruce

      The Establishment, (elite), need to sustain their hegemony on power in all public & social institutions, so they manipulate the politics, and political will of the UK & it’s citizens, respectively. Divide & Conquer is the basic premise used. Thus, by using political ‘imposition arguments’, that force moralised imperatives on us, (UK populace/society), they, the Establishment, force us to accept alien ideals of social norms & morals that promulgates their elite status/power. The use propaganda, psychological warfare, and ‘dark presence’, (all rights reserved), to impose these norms & morals that are the extreme minority issues; homosexuality, foreign immigrants, and Equality; none of which are beneficial for the sustenance of us, or our ‘British’ culture, norms and society. In other words, we, the people, are being forced to accept ideals that are alien to us, all for the sustenance of the elite class. We vote these politicians into power, and they use that power against us, because the dichotomy of sustainable power & interests, between us & them, is diametrically opposed! Its either our sustenance, or theirs! But, change is coming; the people no longer accept this fuedal aristocratic imposition anymore. Scotland will vote for Scottish independence next year, which will trigger the other Home Nations to go the same way.

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    “What are we supposed to say when a grooming ring comes to light?”
    What do you mean “we”? Not my problem Britisher pals. Suggest you take the necessary steps to ensure it`s no longer yours.
    Jack, Japan Alps

    • Guest

      Race replacement is exactly what foreigners like you want.

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        What do you mean, “foreigner”? Xenophobic racist bigots are foreigners to me.

        • Guest

          You are a Japanese, born and bred. You are nothing but a Troll.

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            Jock, you`re a lying piece of crap with serious mental health problems.

          • Guest

            Who are you not a Troll, exactly?

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            Is there any history of sanity in your family?

          • Guest

            You go messing around with creeps like Kirov and Leipzig, you better have a creep like Toby look after you.

          • Guest

            How are you not a Troll, exactly?

    • kievjoy

      If it’s not your problem Jack, keep ya mouth shut and don’t say anything. By the way Jack, a lot of Japanese girls are trafficked to all countries in the western world, but again, I presume you don’t see that as your a problem as you say you’re not Japanese.

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        This is like arguing with a woman.
        “a lot of Japanese girls are trafficked to all countries in the western world”
        That’s drivel. Japan ranks 22nd in GDP per capita, one rank above Britain. Reading trashy UK tabloids for a laugh is one thing. Believing and disseminating their racist lies is quite another. You’re not thinking of Thailand or the Philippines by any change?

        Grooming on not my problem, because unlike risk-averse losers washed up on the UK beach, I had the morale courage to fly the coop beach in 1970.
        Jack, Japan Alps

        • Guest

          Then why don’t you shut up? Aren’t you a jumped-up little foreigner?

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            Every sane person is a foreigner compared with you.

          • Guest

            Which makes no sense. Being a foreigner is relative to a geographical place or location, not to a person; and neither is “morale courage”.

            How did you “emigrate” to Japan when you were in fact born and bred in Japan, and so were your parents?

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            This is the lunatic “Guest” right? The deranged, lying piece of crap.

          • Guest

            More gruntings from the snouts of this lunatic Japanese schizophrenic. Go on, go and play with “your own kind” !

        • kievjoy

          I had noticed guest. Unfortunately he does what he accuses me of doing, just getting information from newspapers (when they bother to put anything in) as for the trafficking, I work with anti-trafficking so know that Japanese women are trafficked as well as the rest of the world, But then again as far as he’s concerned it’s women so they don’t count. Even British women are trafficked to America, but not so many as from other countries, same as japan, they are trafficked, but not as many as from, say, Eastern Europe.

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            As I’ve long suspected, insanity is contagious. If you honestly think I’m anything other than a Caucasian Brit, born in UK, then you’re as far out of your tiny mind as Mad
            Jock McNutter (aka Toby, the poison dwarf). But they do say birds of a feather flock together. And why is race/nationality such an important issue? Only to an ultra-nationalist retard with a football hooligan mind set.
            Brits residing abroad have a unique perspective with valuable experience and exposure. Unlike those risk-averse gutless losers washed up on the beach, lacking the morale courage to fly the UK coop. Short of the BNP forming the next government, multicultural Britain’s going to get progressively worse. Sharia law, anybody? You think you`ll have a choice? Flash to real politick reality. Are
            you going to wait until beer is banned? Would that do it for you? Or till your daughter is raped, and then blamed for it? Its Game Over Britisher pals. If you haven’t seen the writing on the wall by now you never will. Get out while you
            can, before HMG requires you to apply for an exit visa.
            Jack, Japan Alps

          • Toby Esterházy

            Japan is obviously not THAT rich of a Country when obvious schizophrenics like you (a 40-something Japanese who likes to play being a 70-something old British emigrant) are given laptops with access to the Internet instead of an hospital bed and some proper in-patient psychiatric treatment.

            “Morale courage”! You can’t even spell the word “moral” correctly! What a bellend! The rest of your anti-British verbal diarrhea is just half contradictory dross and piffle, half half-baked lunatic conspiracy theories dreamt up by yourself.

          • Guest

            Having lived in the Far East, I think that I can safely say that the international trafficking of Japanese women for disorderly and other immoral purposes for the last 60 years or so is actually not that common. Japanese “girls” “work” “at home”. Most of the ones abroad are Chinese, Vietnamese and North Koreans.

          • kievjoy

            I didn’t say it was common in Japan, but it does happen to Japanese as well. Women can also be trafficked within their own borders, this happens mostly in Asian countries such as India, Pakistaan, Bangladesh etc I also have to disagree with you about where most come from. chinese yes, but also Eastern Europe, Russia, Ukraine, Bellarus etc. plus many of the African countries.

      • Guest

        He is a Japanese born in the 1970s and went to a boarding school in England as a teenager (he even has a small occupational pension), but likes to pretend to be a British emigrant in Japan since the 1970s.

        Do not for a moment think that just because he does a good rant, and speak out against the Frozen Pension issue, that somehow he was not one big wind-up. Winding up women, “Liberal Arts Muppets”, mixing metric and Imperial measurements and talking things that he knows nothing about in general are some of this weirdo’s strange and bizarre obsessions. He is certifiable enough that he probably has a bed with a laptop in a Japanese psychiatric hospital!

  • Robert Mitchum

    Well done Rod, for once again bravely highlighting issues regarding Islam.

  • The only thing that matters is to tell the truth. If that truth is that the underlying driver for some of the men who commit these atrocities is Islam (as they see it) then that must be told. It would be utterly wrong to ignore this and truly dreadful policing as well. When crimes are committed whatever the motives are they must be revealed. As with all crimes that enamate mainly from one class/race/social/gender (etc.) group nobody in their right mind would tar the whole group with the brush of the venal minority. It should not need to be said that most members of Muslim communities are decent law-abiding people. Of course they are. But equally the apparent fact that a small minority of Muslim men is predisposed individually or in groups to groom and abuse young girls – and that these girls are mostly white and non Muslims – is seemingly a fact and if, as I say, the religion of these criminals is a fact in their crimes it must not be ignored.

  • Lord_Summerisle

    Glad to hear about the Sikhs taking some action, I like them.

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    Now if only those thousands of football hooligans could be pointed in the right direction. Talk about two birds with one stone.

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  • chexay

    “It may be a consolation to you that Sikhs are regarded as no less fair game than girls from nominally Christian backgrounds. ”

    This has been happening to Sikh girls in the UK for decades but was completely ignored by the authorities (seems like it’s still being ignored). Historically, the Sikhs have been dealing with this behaviour by Muslims for 500 years.

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