Politics

Labour can't learn from its mistakes. Here's why

14 May 2016

9:00 AM

14 May 2016

9:00 AM

By now, Labour should be rather good at post-defeat inquests. Plenty have been conducted over the years and the drill has become familiar. The party goes into an election promising a certain vision of the future only to find out that it leaves the voters cold. A senior figure is then commissioned to state the obvious, and the report is sent back to the leader’s office, where it is filed and ignored. Then the party embarks upon a fresh misadventure — and the cycle of defeat begins again.

This week Labour is digesting its worst result in Scotland since 1918, having lost not only to the nationalists but to the Tories. In England’s council elections, Labour lost 18 more seats than it gained, which sounds like fairly decent damage limitation — until you remember that no opposition has lost seats mid-term since the 1980s. In Wales, Labour saw Ukip hoover up the working-class protest vote. Only Sadiq Khan’s election as London mayor made last week’s election day less than calamitous. And even this drove several Labour MPs to despair, because it meant the overall results were not quite bad enough to prompt Jeremy Corbyn’s resignation.

To his credit, Corbyn did admit to a meeting of Labour MPs on Monday that the party needed to do better. But he still seemed keen to lay at least some of the blame on those who have had the temerity to mention the electoral iceberg that he is steering them towards. A number of moderate Labour MPs are sharing their own analysis, pointing out that the party has increased support in areas it already holds, with only one in seven gains in seats it needs to win for the general elections. By contrast, nearly half of the losses were in the key areas where Labour needs to make gains (Great Yarmouth, Thurrock, Plymouth and Southampton).

Labour also lost three council seats to the Tories in Nuneaton — which has, since election night, been seen as the party’s bellwether seat. Greenberg Quinlan Rosner, a political consultancy, held focus groups there at the end of April and found voters telling Labour to get a new leader because Corbyn was ‘scruffy’ and they couldn’t imagine him visiting the White House — he’d look ‘like someone who got lost from the tour’.


But even armed with such dispiriting analyses, Labour MPs who had been planning a coup against Corbyn have now called it off. One senior rebel puts it simply: ‘He’s too weak to win but too strong to remove, and that’s our big problem.’ Another Labour plotter says: ‘I’m hoping all the time that something is going to happen to save the Labour party. I was hoping that if we did lose loads of seats, that might be something to capitalise on and might create the impetus. But I now think it’s pretty unlikely anything will happen after the referendum’.

Tom Watson, Corbyn’s deputy, was quick to dampen down any talk of a coup last week: rebels think they need his tacit support at the very least if they are to oust the leader. A quick vote on Trident after the referendum and the publication of the Chilcot report on 6 July will make what seemed like the ideal time to move against the leader much more difficult. David Cameron would find it fairly easy to make political capital when Chilcot is published, but nowadays it’s never too hard for the Tories to make capital at Labour’s expense. Other Labour MPs grumble that there is never a good time to remove a leader.

A minority of Labour rebels think even a failed coup would have its uses, by forcing the party to have a proper argument about its future (or lack thereof). But the moderates are still working out how to understand the vastly expanded Labour membership. At some point, they argue, the new members will realise that Corbyn is not the messiah and that the popular political movement they expect him to create has not been delayed: it is never going to turn up.

No one is expecting a Labour revival in Scotland any time soon — indeed, the party seems set to learn the wrong lesson from its latest humiliation. Kezia Dugdale wobbled all over the place on the question of independence during the Holyrood ampaign, while Ruth Davidson’s Tories pitched themselves as the clear, unambiguous unionist choice. Scottish Labour tried to be a boring version of the nationalists, and this flirting with nationalism helped the SNP grow even stronger. In this way, Scottish devolution, designed as a trap for the Scottish Tories, has ended up ensnaring Labour.

Dugdale will stay as leader; Scottish Labour is running out of people to put at the helm of its party and her mission always did look hopeless. As for the SNP, it has now lost its majority in the Scottish parliament — diminishing the chances of Nicola Sturgeon calling another independence referendum. Sturgeon, for her part, danced around the issue in the SNP manifesto and in her victory speech last week focused as much on issues such as education as she did on independence. Some in Labour worry that their party may be trying to sound more nationalist just as Scotland has passed the high water mark of nationalism. And when the Scottish Tories under Ruth Davidson are reaping a Unionist dividend.

All of this means that Labour is now fighting different battles in different parts of the UK: Nicola Sturgeon’s SNP, the Tories in the English boroughs and Ukip in Wales. The party’s ongoing collapse in Scotland has made it all the less likely that it could win a general election in 2020.

Labour will say, as it always does, that it has listened and learned. But the only true sign that is has learned anything will be the election of a new leader — a prospect that looks even more distant now than it did six months ago. Lucky old Cameron.

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  • Henry Hooper

    Diminishing the chances of another independence referendum…..get real, there’s a pro-independence majority in Holyrood. Our proportionally elected representatives will determine whether there’s another indyref, not tank girl, not labour, not the tories…….our elected representatives in their entirety will decide.

    • Neolith

      Is that before or after they ask for permission?

    • Mac48

      Maybe it’s you who should get real. It would be very surprising indeed if the Greens were to help the SNP minority government mount another referendum when the election clearly produced a result that fails to endorse the idea of another referendum. OK, the Greens could be totally undemocratic and ignore the fact that the Scottish voters showed so little enthusiasm for indyref2, but I don’t think they will. There was no referendum promised in the SNP manifesto and the SNP failed to win a majority, so they don’t have a mandate for it and it’s not going to happen.

      Apart from the that, if you’re pinning your hopes on brexit triggering indyref2 forget it: Scottish voters may tell pollsters they are in favour of remaining, but in the event of the UK leaving, do you really think they’d then vote to leave the UK just in order to try and reapply to get back in the EU? Countries like Spain would be reluctant to allow us re-entry and given the massive crisis brexit would cause throughout the EU, with other countries threatening to leave as well and the immigration crisis getting worse, it seems very unlikely that we’d see the EU as a better bet than the UK. No chance of Sturgeon risking that, I can assure you. There will be no indyref2 in the next five years, trust me.

    • Ken Macintosh [Labour] decides if an independence bill is allowed or not, doubtful he will.

    • MikePage

      I’m aware of Jamie Hewlett’s Tank Girl but suspect you mean someone else.

    • Tom Cullem

      But I think the plunge in oil prices and the deficit will hold that off – I don’t think even a BREXIT will prompt it – the EU doesn’t have quite the lustre it did even two years ago, after the bungled migrant crisis, the deal with Turkey, and all the stuff they are going to roll out after the 23 June referendum, the expanded budget they are holding back . . .

      The impetus for independence will have to be mighty potent for another indy/ref to go forward in these changed circumstances.

  • ianess

    London-based commentators are missing an obvious point as to why the Tories did reasonably well. It’s nothing to do with the Union – it was more that they were the only Party to set its face against tax rises.

    • Malcolm Stevas

      And that was only because they still feel it’s sort of expected of them. In terms of the overall burden of taxation, though Socialists will always tax until the pips squeak – especially “the rich” i.e. anyone among the tax-paying 50% or so – the Tories are not far behind them. They’re very much a triumph of style over substance, hypocrites who pretend to love the small State, low taxation etc, but who always end up promising (fingers crossed behind their backs) that soon there’ll be genuinely radical tax cuts. Jam tomorrow, always jam tomorrow.

  • Michael H Kenyon

    Smart people are often stupid: dim folks are not interested in homeopathy, deconstructionism, or nose-flute music. So it’s no surprise the most educated parts of the country are most likely to return Labour.

    • Sean L

      Those people don’t vote Labour out of stupidity but from economic self interest, being largely reliant on public subsidies for their employment.

      • red2black

        In fairness, the private sector benefits from substantial public subsidies. If some of that is to keep people in jobs and businesses afloat, then fair enough, but at least acknowledge it.

        • Sean L

          I was merely referring to why people vote, not the merits of public subsidy as such. Obviously many things must be paid for from the public purse for all kinds of reasons.

  • Morris Jasper

    “How to understand the vastly expanded Labour membership”? 1. Fuzzy faced Millenials (& that’s just the girls), who think socialism is hip, because they have little or no experience of the despotic & rancid regimes that fell in Eastern Europe & they haven’t been to Venezuela recently.
    2. Veteran ‘activist’ SWP/CND/STW Flat-earther eco loons, who think the “Revolution” is just round the next bend. When in reality, it’s just them.

    • Yorkieeye

      Nice Morris. Should be engraved on that erstwhile stone

    • Tom Cullem

      Oh, the “revolution” is just around the next bend, all right – but it’s coming from the other direction.

    • Jack Rocks

      There’s a lot of that, actually. This generation is the first that hasn’t had Grandparents telling them about World War II, or lived through the Cold War with the threat of imminent and total destruction (which was real in the imagination at the time). I was a child in the 1980’s by the way.

  • MikePage

    If only Labour had a democratic constitution that placed the PLP front and centre of choosing a leader, instead of allowing a bunch of £3 entryists to wield the so-called “mandate”, there might be some party unity. I said as much when Brown was chosen, and look how that ended.

  • Zalacain

    “Labour can’t learn from its mistakes. Here’s why”. Socialism is the heart of the labour party and it doesn’t work.

    • givehimabreak

      That might have washed thirty years ago, but outside of Corbyn and his acolytes there are no true socialists….unless of course you’re a DM or Sun reader.

    • red2black

      Neither do Ponzi schemes. Just keep borrowing.

  • MikeF

    The Labour party is now under the control of its activists. They cannot learn from their mistakes because they believe their actions are the practical expression of perfect principle and therefore cannot ever be wrong. Electoral setbacks in that worldview are the fault of the electorate and not themselves.

    • Ed  

      Of course electoral setbacks are the fault of the electorate. Blair didn’t succeed in replacing enough of them.

  • davidblameron

    I like her statement : ‘in Wales UKIP hoovering up the working class protest vote’. How do you know they are only protest votes, darling?

    • Mongo

      presumably she thinks nobody actually votes UKIP because they agree with their policies

  • HJ777

    Labour’s (Margaret Beckett’s) report of why they lost the GE did not state the obvious.

    It was entirely delusional. That was their problem.

    For example, she came up with this:

    “…the Tories, who assiduously fostered the myth that US, German, French and Japanese financial institutions had been brought to their knees by the overspending of a profligate Labour government. This myth took hold.”

    The Tories never said any thing of the sort. Labour repeatedly claimed they had said it but you will find no instance of any Tory suggesting anything of the kind. What they said was that Labour spent too much during the boom, which led to the record deficit during and after the crash.

    The Tories were right about this, yet Beckett deliberately misrepresents them and then dismisses the straw man Labour constructed.

    That is why nobody trusts Labour not to do it again.

    • Paul

      Left wing arguments have become increasingly simplistic and infantile. They also go in for a lot of personal attacks. So instead of coming up with a logical and though out economic policy they make one line jokes about posh Tories. Labour are a spent force,.

  • Tamerlane

    Labour can’t learn from its mistakes because it has a sanctimonious belief it is morally superior and people must therefore by definition eventually join its ranks, it’s why they have no problem opening the flood gates to Medieval head choppers from the Indian sub-continent. The right knows better and is thus destined to govern.

    • Tom Cullem

      The Right is letting them in, too. What are our other options to hold back the tide?

      • Tamerlane

        Good point!

    • Eques

      The right are the most sanctimonious, moralistic, humourless, up their own urse bunch of people I have ever seen, so it always amuses me when they apply those epithets to lefties. There is plentiful sanctimony in your very comment.

      Somehow, right wing sanctimony doesn’t count because, er, the Right agree with it.

      What they are actually trying to do in talking of left wing “sanctimony” is shut down any statement that holds them morally to account so they can carry on thieving, bullying, defrauding and lying to their hearts’ content without being brought up on it.

      PS: As (probably) a capital punishment fetishist, it’s a little rich to suddenly decided to take moral umbrage at “head choppers”

      • Tamerlane

        Ten out of ten for sanctimonious grandstanding. You do the left proud.

        • Eques

          I like to think so.

          • polidorisghost

            Psst…I think he’s mocking you.

          • Eques

            Pssst, I knew that you Wally.

          • polidorisghost

            No you didn’t.

          • Eques

            Well obviously I did, because he started his comment with “Ten out of ten for sanctimonious grandstanding…..”
            I can read you know.
            It’s just that his mockery didn’t bother me, which is why I gave a flippant response.

  • johnb1945

    Lucky old Cameron indeed. Apart from this EU referendum thing he’s called.

    Pending the outcome of that, all bets are off.

    You know how it goes – Leave win, by a point or two. Not enough to actually Brexit, but the fact they’ve won makes the pressure to Brexit intense.

    Cameron resigns.

    We get the idiot Boris as prime minister who shows his true colours and tries to negotiate a “better deal” with the EU rather than taking us out. It all proves rather fruitless, but the instability harms inward investment, our economy tanks, and then? Who knows.

    Nobody thought Corbyn could be elected leader, and it happened. If we vote Leave, your conventional two party middle of the road politics are going out of the nearest window.

  • MrToad76

    Time travel , article dated 14th May, 9:00am, but it is now only 4:41pm on 13th of May. Impressive. Perhaps you should be the new assistant for the Doctor, Isabel.

  • Eques

    “But he still seemed keen to lay at least some of the blame on those who have had the temerity to mention the electoral iceberg that he is steering them towards”

    Quite rightly did he lay the blame on them. The problem is that they keep mentioning their qualms to right wing journalists, theTwittersphere and television cameras. Of course that is going to damage Labour’s electoral performance.

    Far more than, shock, horror, having an anti-Thatcherite set of policies, in a time when people are getting sick of the plutocratic abuses committed in the name of the Free Market.

    “The only true sign that the party has learned anything will be the election of a new leader”
    A nice, tame, toadying Thatcherite leader, you mean. It’s not Corbyn’s performance that unsettles you. It’s the fact that he is saying awkward things about the Thatcherite kleptocracy under which we currently live.

    • HJ777

      I can assure you that the Tories are delighted that Labour is delusional and that they have the unelectable Corbyn as leader.

      It is just a pity that there isn’t a credible opposition that can hold the government to account.

      • rtj1211

        Perhaps the Libdems should do for England what the Conservatives are currently doing for Scotland??!!

        • HJ777

          Exactly my thoughts.

          Unfortunately, the LibDems really aren’t liberal at all and they have Tim Farron (who?) as leader so there’s not much chance of that happening.

          Now, if there was a proper Liberal party in the old tradition…

          • davidblameron

            Jeremy Thorpe?

          • HJ777

            I was thinking far further back than that.

          • davidblameron

            W.E. Gladstone?

          • HJ777

            Closer to that era.

      • Eques

        Corbyn is holding the government to account very well, thank you very much, for all the establishment media tries to pretend he isn’t. With all the Tory U-turns that have occurred since he became leader, he’s already achieved more change in opposition than some smug Blairite establishment stuffed shirt would even in government.

        I mean by what process of extraordinary doublethink do you define abstaining on government laws as “effective opposition”?

        How can you provide effective opposition if you have the same policies as the government anyway?

        • HJ777

          You seem remarkably confused.

          But then you are a Corbyn supporter.

          • Eques

            How do I seem very confused?

          • HJ777

            For a start, you think Corbyn is effective. Labour MPs don’t share your opinion.

            Secondly, where did I mention an effective opposition, abstaining or otherwise, let alone defining abstaining as effective opposition?

            Thirdly, where did I say that an effective opposition would have the same policies as the government? I am in favour of a proper liberal opposition (by which I do not mean the LibDems) to the Tories. This Tory government tries to run and decide far too many things (building power stations, HS2, wage levels, education policy, running a medical service, etc., etc.).

          • Eques

            Labour MPs? God, who cares what that bunch of smug, torpid, flatulent, overfed establishment placemen think. That’s a point in Corbyn’ favour, not against.
            (2) Because that is what Labour was doing immediately before Corbyn, when it was under the control of exactly the bunch of pompous, amoral, pointless reactionaries you think of as credible politicians. The likes of Kendall, Hunt, Bradshaw and Hodge continued to abstain on Tory laws even after Corbyn became leader.
            (3) Because you want to get rid of Corbyn as leader, who does have policies and values distinctive from those of the Tories, in favour of some amoral technocrat like David Miliband or Dan Jarvis, who don’t.

          • HJ777

            I’m very happy for Corbyn to be leader as it ensures that Labour is unelectable. Not that any of the alternatives are exactly convincing.

            With a bit of luck a coherent liberal opposition will emerge but I won’t hold my breath. But Labour self destructing at least provides the opportunity.

          • Eques

            And by liberal you mean right wing, but sometimes says “we’re liberal” to re-assure people like you.

          • HJ777

            I mean liberal.

          • Eques

            WIth what sort of policies?

          • HJ777

            The opposite of socialist.

            Hayek referred to the ‘Socialists of all parties’. If you understand what he meant, then I am for a party without them.

          • Eques

            Right, so economically liberal.
            So right wing.

            Like the Tories.

          • HJ777

            You’re not getting this.

            Someone once described it as the state being the referee, not a player.

            Against vested interests. Against monopolies or government policies which sustain them (public or private), etc..

            Making sure that everyone has the same choices and the ability to exercise them. Against government making those choices for them.

            I am economically and socially liberal in outlook – pretty much the opposite to Labour (and some distance from the Tories too)

          • HJ777

            Incidentally, which Labour politicians are you under the impression that I regard as credible? I can’t think of any examples offhand.

            Corbyn, however, is not only not credible, he’s unelectable.

          • Eques

            Ok fair enough, I thought you were a Blairite, someone who thinks the answer to Labour’s problems in some ghastly adenoiodal stuffed shirt like Miliband, Jarvis or Cooper.

          • HJ777

            Cooper? Worse than her husband and that is saying something.

    • Freddythreepwood

      I hate to intrude on private grief, but you do seem to be more than a bit paranoid about the Thatcherite rule we haven’t got, but wish we had. The wishie-washie crew in charge at the moment are not fit to carry the lady’s handbag.

      • Eques

        It’s true, they’re not, although that’s more of a comment on them than her.

        Nevertheless they continue to peddle her nefarious legacy, as do the overfed, unaccountably smug second raters within the Blairite wing of the Labour Party.

  • DollarPound

    It’s hard to learn from your mistakes when your opinions sound right.
    You can just keep trotting them out and whenever anyone questions them, you can just shout them louder.

  • AdrianM

    As Janet Daley said:
    Labour is stuck with Corbyn, which might be a useful reprieve since they have no one, at the moment, to replace him. In fact, any coup that was staged now would almost certainly bring in a more hard-faced version of the Leftist credo, which would be less funny and more nasty. The idea of a centre-Left has disappeared from view when only a decade ago it had seemed to be unstoppable. This is where we are now. I suspect it’s going to take a fresh generation of politicians to find a way out.

    • Eques

      She doesn’t mean a Centre Left.

      She means a second Centre Right.

      The very fact that arch Rightists like Daley and Hardman hold such a warm view of Corbyn’s Labour opponents flags up a very large and obvious flaw in those opponents.

      A genuinely effective opposition would get right wing Tories like Daley spitting with impotent fury, not saying “Ah good, at last we have an effective opposition!”

      • AdrianM

        Left, right… left, right… left right… they’re all fanatical sects, not political parties. Centrist policies are the only viable way of running this country.

      • polidorisghost

        “A genuinely effective opposition would get right wing Tories like Daley spitting with impotent fury,”

        Yeah, yeah.
        Meanwhile, you’ll just have to dream on won’t you?

        • Eques

          Don’t reply to comments if you don’t understand the line of discussion.
          The OP quoted an arch right winger claiming that she wanted there to be a strong opposition to the Tories.
          I was pointing out the logical fallacy in her saying this, because a genuinely effective opposition to the Tories would not be one that was pleasing to the likes of her.
          For it to be effective would entail right wingers getting very p’ed off and uncomfortable, not pleased about it.

          • polidorisghost

            I understood ok but thanks for the advice

          • Eques

            Sorry, man, was in a foul mood.

  • victor67

    So when Labour fail (Scotland) it is Corbyn fault and when Labour succeeds (London) it is in spite of him.

    • davidblameron

      you have a valid point

      • victor67

        I think the antipathy from the establishment in and out of Westminster shows the level of resistance to any kind of alternative model being thought about.

    • Kim Green

      Could it have been a racial vote?

      • monsieur_charlie

        He obviously got all the muslim votes but, more interestingly, why did all the other non whites vote for him.

        • Can you give me the source of these “facts”? I have to warn you that I will not consider “inside your head” as a valid source.

          • monsieur_charlie

            Who gives a toss what you will or will not accept?

          • So we can post any old rubbish on here and not expect to have to back it up?

          • monsieur_charlie

            Of course you can! You’ve already done it.

          • Originality not your strong point is it charlie.

          • monsieur_charlie

            Why not try peddling your crap on the Graun. Pedants like you seem to be welcome there.

          • This is where the enemy is and so this is where I fight.

            Now are you able to backup your assertion or did you just make it up?

          • monsieur_charlie

            Oh dear, an aggresive pedant. Probably bullied by his boyfriend. Best ignored.

          • That was a pathetic attempt at deflection – are you able to backup your assertion or did you just make it up?

          • monsieur_charlie

            Hello Warrior Boy, still wasting time, I see. Probably not very valuable time but if it makes you feel better, carry on.
            Bye!

          • So why have you made an unfounded assertion?

          • monsieur_charlie

            You will give up soon enough Warrior Boy but, in the meantime, wack yourself off.

          • While I’m doing this could you see if you can find the source of your “fact” – but remember “inside your head” is not a valid source.

          • monsieur_charlie

            Given up then, warrior boy?
            Said you would!
            Good idea though.
            No sense in being a munt all your life.

          • So you are unable to supply a source for your “fact” – maybe you imagined it in a dream after eating too much cheese at night?

          • monsieur_charlie

            Hp Ho Ho. So, you really are!!! Keep wacking warrior boy.

          • Did you know that some people posting on here are so immature that they find it impossible not to have the last word.

          • monsieur_charlie

            Come on Warrior Boy – this is the BATTLEGROUND, remember? I got really wobbly when you were going on about that, spent ages under the bed. But you turned out to be all piss and wind and so repetitive, I almost gave up and broke it off.
            Not much of a warrior either, more of a parrot! Very disappointing Parrot Boy!

          • Point proven.

          • monsieur_charlie

            What about the EVIDENCE???????

          • monsieur_charlie

            Now piss off with your stupid questions.

          • Wizard Rule 68: Aggression is often used to mask a weak argument.

      • No – it is because Khan is not a Corbynite.

  • davidblameron

    Labour could rise like a phoenix from the ashes, the Party has Yanis Varoufarkis giving it moral guidance behind the scenes.

    • Rob74

      Do you mean the scourge of the corporatist EU right up until the minute he was nobbled and suddenly endorsed the EU position?

      • davidblameron

        :o)

  • Rob74

    It isn’t small problems that beset the liberal left. They are facing the barrel of the gun and no matter what they do, it is only a matter of time before they are rejected.

    If we are independent then we can set our own path, and hopefully we won’t get dragged down with them.

    • HJ777

      The words Liberal and Left are contradictory.

      • Rob74

        They use them. I’d call them marxists at a push but it still wouldn’t describe them accurately.

      • Ooh!MePurse!

        Absolutely, it’s time that right thinking people reclaimed the word.

  • Are You Sure

    The Corbyloons are going crazy over on the Graun. Sadiq Khan’s written an article that doesn’t praise Jezbollah as the new messiah and they really don’t like it.

  • Sargon the bone crusher

    Labour itself is the mistake. State socialism has so destroyed the Western mind, the political will, that self destructive prostitution rules. We accept radical violent Islam, because the Middle Eastern states effectively own and control poor little Britain.
    Blair knew it, and acted upon it.
    Corbyn is a scruffy little irrelevant absurdity; a bag of failed absurdities, clothed in deceit.

  • Ooh!MePurse!

    Did anyone see Newsnight? It featured an individual called Dina Rickman. Possibly the most stupid individual ever allowed on the BBC. Including that BNP guy with the funny eye.

    • CockneyblokefromReading

      Which day? I must see it, I need a laugh.

      • Ooh!MePurse!

        Last night. I’m not sure if you’ll laugh, more likely to provoke a groan.

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    Test
    “Never murder a man who is committing suicide”
    Wilson
    That Woodrow not Harold.

  • ToastieRoastie

    As much as I agree Corbyn probably can’t win a GE, must we get this article every day? Ms. Hardman is a better journalist than her current Groundhog Day form would would suggest and could spend her time far more productively than reporting every piece of gossip from the so-called Labour moderates.

    • PiffedOffCentrist

      I don’t agree. I was reading a piece of American Leftery, which was arguing that Trump was going to be rehabilitated by ‘polite’ society because there’s such a strong need for a story with two sides. But that’s a problem, because Donald Trump’s political programme is insane, and the rest of us shouldn’t accept that the moderate, centre position is a 1/2-way house.

      I agree, and the same applies to Corbyn. We should never accept that the centre of gravity is 1/2 way between the deeply flawed Tories and the cloud cuckoo Corbynites. I may not agree with the Blairites on all things (or indeed much) but they’re performing a valuable public service at the moment, and I won’t get bored with another year of articles like this.

  • CockneyblokefromReading

    It’s really simple:
    The world has moved on, traditional Labour supporters have aspired and moved up. Those traditional supporters don’t like multiculturism (are you listening, David Milliband, you complete gimp?), and realise that vastly-different cultures cannot mix (Labour doesn’t ‘get’ this). Those traditional supporters aren’t obsessed with climate change, and don’t think the BBC is wonderful, by the way. Those traditional supporters want energy at a decently-affordable price, and don’t want to subsidise wind turbines killing birds en-masse, or give money away to some farmer who decides to convert his field into a solar farm. Those traditional supporters are either Christians or atheists, and they don’t recognise a complete suck-up to a violent and evil religion.

    The Labour Party belongs to another time, a time when it really was needed and required. It’s now an irrelevance. The likes of Diane Abbott tell you all you need to know about Labour now. All summed up in one person – a complete, intellectually-crippled cretin.

    • monsieur_charlie

      CBFR: Perfect summing up but do you realise that description can be equally well applied to the Tories and the Lib Dems. I think the Tories only won the last GE because most people were more scared of Labour than them and because Labour’s traditional supporters, feeling betrayed, turned to UKIP for what they wanted.

      • Dr Foster

        Yes, I completely agree. The same could be applied to the Conservatives as well. The political parties we have were formed during a very different time, and no longer reflect the state of the UK now. Ukip does. Personally, I would like to see referenda government brought in, a bit like Switzerland, where we could vote electronically on major issues. It has its problems, but at least it’s democratic – and I put democracy above EVERYTHING, despite the stupidity of a large portion of my fellow countrymen and women. It will come eventually. I don’t know where I’ll be then, but I sure won’t smell too good, that’s for sure.

    • Hegelman

      Christians? Any connection with the religion of Christ?

  • jeffersonian

    ‘Lucky old Cameron.’

    Very true. I think luck has been the defining characteristic of his Prime Ministership. Of course it hasn’t stopped him from c*cking things up anyway.

    • He did bring us out of recession faster than every other G7 country and has achieved record levels of employment.

  • Itinerant

    “sound more nationalist”
    While in reality the SNP and Labour are pro-EU, pro-mass immigration, pro-Sharia (if its voluntary apparently), pro-hate speech and de-facto blasphemy laws (whether cowardice or design), pro-multikulti- more like a naive and destructive internationalism than nationalism, illustrated all to vividly by the SNP’s reported ‘warm welcome’ to representatives of Islamo-fascist groups like Hamas.
    Any nationalist stance of the SNP is purely to fool the electorate- the SNP has nationalist on the lid but treachery and big lies in the tin.
    Not least there is no such thing as an independent nation-state in the EU.
    Sturgeon’s explanation of ‘independence’ in the EU was so convoluted she must need a compass to get out of bed in the morning.

  • Jacobi

    The Labour collapse in Scotland has saved the “nats” from the collapse they were expecting. It is all quite bizarre, but it just shows you how many third generation Irish “Weigies” with dim memories but still large chips on their shoulders there are!

    Corbyn has always been a waste of space, but Labour need not worry. The next Labour Prime
    Minister to-be has already thrown down the gauntlet, and is making it clear that it is but a matter of time.

    Kahn fully intend to be that man, and the Islamophile “ Luvvies “are cheering him on!

  • david blane

    Sorry, what would a new leader accomplish? Half of this article appears to be missing.

  • JJH

    Don’t for goodness sake let Corbyn go yet. I’m looking forward to the Labour party conference in the Autumn, when we can be entertained by some SERIOUS blood letting. It’ll be one of the political highlights of the year!

  • John Litttler

    Very nice quality writing and bang on the money.

    Labour had better wake up soon, or the voters ( outside the capital) may have largely moved on to other suspects. Unless Labour get a decently large result, the Tories will have another free run at it, probably with a cosy sized majority next time, pushing the stuff of right wing think tanks to the fore.

    That is not what the British public want, but the FPTP electoral system will just “make it so”

  • John Litttler

    Sterling jumps as Brexit poll shows voters have swung towards remaining in European Union

    The pound hit a three-week high against the euro today after a new poll published revealed the UK is set to vote overwhelmingly to remain in the European Union.

    The Ipsos-Mori poll, found 55 per cent of those surveyed supported staying in the EU, while just 37 per cent wanted to leave, giving the ‘In’ camp a whopping 18-point lead.

    The pound surged after the poll result, rising more than a cent to €1.294. It also hit its highest level against the US dollar for nearly two weeks, up nearly a cent at $1.45.

    Worries about a possible Brexit have weighed on the pound since late last year, driving an 8 per cent fall in the past six months.

    Daily Mail Online.

    So the polls have started to shift at last. Thank Chr!_t!

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