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Britain’s determination to kill itself makes my blood boil

20 February 2016

9:00 AM

20 February 2016

9:00 AM

 

 Gstaad

The locals here in the beautiful Saanen valley are split over the migrant crisis. Switzerland does not belong to the EU, but the fascists in Brussels have pressed good old Helvetia to open its doors to those streaming out of Africa and the Middle East. Switzerland, a tiny country of eight million, has already taken in 40,000, and I have personally seen about 30 Eritreans billeted in our old people’s home nearby. Now it takes a heart of stone to be against poor refugees, especially Syrians, unless they’re North Africans or Somalis who are over here in order to find white women or live off our welfare system.


The Eritreans I saw were nice-looking, a jolly group, certainly not a criminal bunch, but I don’t know what, if anything, they will end up doing high up here in the Alps. They are economic migrants, not refugees, and the Swiss are being very polite about them, but the bottom line is that they have about as much business being here as a Saudi accompanied by four bodyguards had lunching at the Eagle club last week. (I wasn’t there, otherwise there would have been a diplomatic incident, as he is of the ruling family.) Speaking of the Saudis, they are threatening to put boots on the ground in Syria, a threat on a par with the mouse that roared, such is the incapability of the Saudi army to do anything except bomb hospitals and shoot civilians in Yemen.

Mind you, Gulf troops were the inspiration to the Spartans, to Alexander, to Napoleon, and to Robert E. Lee — and, of course, to the greatest fighting unit ever, Rommel’s 25th Panzer regiment, of 7th Panzer Division. The threat alone has Assad jogging to Siberia. But let us go back to the Swiss Alps and arriving migrants. In Zweisimmen, a nearby town, the locals announced they had more room for migrants, so more were allotted to them. What I’d like to know is how many migrants asswipes such as Jean-Claude Juncker and Angela Merkel have taken. Into their homes or nearby environs, that is. Up here in the Alps we all live close to each other, so new arrivals are easy to spot. I asked a local editor why the Swiss should take in migrants given that they never had an empire down south, or anywhere for that matter. ‘Well, we have the Red Cross, and that gives us responsibility,’ he answered. He must have been on LSD, because the Red Cross is a humanitarian body, which has been helping people since the battle of Magenta.

Never mind. This is the year of the angry voter, and the vitriol will flow like lava — in America and, I hope, in Britain. Anger is supposed to land one in the fifth circle of hell. The river Styx is full of angry people, yet our Lord Jesus himself threw a bit of a tantrum when he chased the moneylenders out of the temple. Which means we all have the right to be angry at times. I’m angry only when I read the crap that’s being printed in the New York Times, rubbish like ‘political nastiness is amplified by right-wing television and websites’. (What right-wing television?) Or ‘Merkel did the right thing.’ For whom? The North African criminals, or the Somali gangs?

The angriest I get is when I read about Britain’s seppuku urge to remain under Brussels. How can a Tory government do this? Fifty-five million pounds per day is paid by the Brits to the Brussels kleptos. Some of that is spent by the kleptos in Britain in return, but nothing near what the thieves in Brussels take from the fools in Britain. There would be no austerity measures in Britain if the fools stopped paying the thieves (Tory budget cuts are dwarfed by EU payments), yet the unions in Britain are on the side of Brussels. Go figure.

The decline of the West is as real as The Decline of the West was a book. The latter was not as original as Spengler liked to pretend, but a great summing-up of a long historical pessimism and cultural discontent. Spengler claimed to predetermine history, and he did when he predicted the ‘West-European-American’. Now Taki, another giant pessimist but nevertheless a giant, predicts the total decline of the West-European-American. Where Spengler and Taki agree is that neither had the time to devote to other civilizations such as China or India. Spengler was Eurocentric, when the word did not exist. I am Eurocentric because I have eyes, a brain and manage to read when I’m sober. Where Spengler and Taki disagree is that the former gave as much importance to non-western cultures as I give them non-importance. Spengler’s famous analogy was that an individual’s life cycle and a civilization’s were the same: childhood, youth, manhood and old age. My civilization began in old age, and is now a post-senile one. Bring on more immigrants, Brussels, senility is good. One doesn’t feel a thing.

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  • Sanctimony

    Wow !

    30 Eritreans in the Gstaad old people’s home…. They must have thought all their Christmases had come at once….

    What did the Burgomaster of Gstaad do with all the billionaire wrinklies who were dispossessed… pack them off to Dignitas, no doubt… ?

    No doubt the soulless Swiss will come up with a very efficient and profitable solution to these current problems. After all, I am told that the Swiss inheritor of William Tell, one Sepp Blatter, is to make his home in Gstaad and will no doubt soon be wearing mayoral robes.

    • Todd Unctious

      The Swiss will work out how to sell whatever the Eritreans want.

      • Sanctimony

        I’m not sure the Eritreans are devoted to chocolate and cuckoo clocks… is there anything else that Switzerland supplies… apart from an extremely efficient and discreet laundry service for humongously rich people’s ill-gotten gains….

        Can’t see the Eritreans buying £30,000 Rolex or Patek Phillippe watches….

        The Swiss are the ultimate bottom feeders and a plague on any humanitarian society… their only goals are filling their pockets… with token gestures to assuage their consciences… neutrality; to protect their wealth and a culture completely lacking any great artists, composers or other cultural influences… with a couple of exceptions, obviously, although for the life of me I can’t think of any….

        • Todd Unctious

          I do agree. The Swiss were the first to open tourist offices in Shanghai and Beijing(1998) . Go to Swizzland now and 75% of visitors are Chinese ( most of the rest are Saudis). Every small town there has a Casino for Chinas national pastime, every big village has a Chinese restaurant. The jewellers all employ Chinese speakers to flog the watches and army knives.
          The Swiss have huge contempt for the Chinese.
          The hotel staff discreetly let all westerners know that train tickets for the Jungfrau go on sale at 6pm the evening before departure, the Chinese are not let in on this secret and the Swiss snigger as they queue endlessly and forlornly.

        • June Kotlarova

          You are just jealous.

          • Sanctimony

            Why would I be jealous…. and of what ?

        • Msw3681 sw

          Don’t worry, the Eritreans will soon breed by raping the children and women. The Swill find out just how stupid it was to take in even 30 muslims.

        • Jackthesmilingblack

          Filthy neutrals.

  • Discuscutter

    Britain as an idea started to fade after the 70s, it has been slowly spinning apart since.

    For the younger generation it is not a living thing.

    • Todd Unctious

      Good. The break up of the UK will not be mourned.

    • Jack Rocks

      Well that’s been the intention all along hasn’t it: to destroy the nation states of Europe and subsume them into one homogenous blob. It’s the USSR model. You shouldn’t really be all that surprised.

      • Discuscutter

        Even if the EU never existed the idea of Britain would be still fading.

        Britain as an identity has been falling away since the 70s.

        It was an identity of empire and its bedrock is gone.

        • Jack Rocks

          Don’t be silly.

          • Discuscutter

            Ok I’ll just ignore all the evidence.

            Good luck finding English or Scottish people under 60 who have a majority who identify themselves as British.

            British identity is today confined mostly to those over 60 who remember it as a living thing and ethnic voters who feel that English identity is too associated with the far right.

            It is safe to assume that your hair is grey or you a mignrant, which one?

          • OmnipotentWizard

            “It is safe to assume that your hair is grey or you a mignrant, which one?”

            Wizard Rule 77: People that are losing an argument will often try to discredit the person they are arguing with. (In football this tactic is known as “Playing The Man”)

          • Discuscutter

            Not discrediting you but there are two demographics where the British identity really exists and it is older or migrant.

            Outside of that most people see themselves as only being English or Scottish etc.

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            That’s a Brit for you. Make negative assumptions about a person they know nothing about. I put it down to a repressed inferiority complex.

        • OmnipotentWizard

          Nothing stays the same.

          Wizard Rule 71: The future is a foreign country: they will do things differently there.

          But today we are wealthier than we have ever been and the next generation should be wealthier still.

          • Lavinia Webb

            Tomorrow never comes.O, you seem rather obsessed with finance. Is it good to be rich and in prison ?

        • Jackthesmilingblack

          I flew the UK coop in 1972. The country has been in a decline ever since.

      • nibs

        Yes, its all documented in……….. The Coudenhove- Kalegi plan the genocide of the Peoples of Europe……. going way back to the 1930 and planned, then it is now all taking place with the help of Merkel who is mentioned at the end of the article

        • Jack Rocks

          No, that’s not what I mean.

        • OmnipotentWizard

          But back in the real World…

    • OmnipotentWizard

      From the General Election taken together with the independence referendum it is clear what the people of Scotland want. They want a strong Scottish Government and they want it in Westminster.

  • jim

    We’re in h*ll.

    • OmnipotentWizard

      And that h*ll is wealthiest and healthier than every previous generation.

      • rogerrandout1

        Wealthier but NOT healthier Over weight and diabetic . Compare the people of the forties and fifties with today and you will see a marked difference in size.

        • OmnipotentWizard

          “…but NOT healthier…” Au contraire my uninformed friend. Longevity is at an all time high. Cancer survival rates have never been higher. Infant mortality is at an all time low,

  • Migru Ghee

    Why the Swiss believe they were special Europeans is beyond me. Most of them a snobs, and snobs are usually silent thieves.

    • Sanctimony

      The Swiss have nothing to be snobbish about… at least in social, cultural or historical terms… their historical neutrality and extreme greed have rendered them beyond the pale of any Western cultures or civilisations…

      They cringe and slaver in their counting parlors and black market havens…. bottom feeding off the ill-gotten gains of … among many others… the most criminal organisations and despotic Third World rulers…

      A pox on them ….

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        Trains packed with Jews passed through Switzerland on the way to the camps. And Swiss banks hung on to wealth deposited until a death certificate could be produced. Death certificate, issued by Auschwitz? Gimme a break.

        • Sanctimony

          Neatly sums up the Swiss….

  • Fritz123

    To be fair, it is not the EU as an institution but the way the members of the EU do politics.

    The EU is fat but not to blame. Allthough I would shoot them to the moon.

    IMHO the consumersaledirectuve is the greatest thing since the Romans and I really like the duty of railway companies to inform the travellers about trains. This is all very phantastic and it is megagreat that it is valid everywhere.

    The stupid thing with wage subsidies etc in the UK is that they are payed by the country of residence, here the UK, and not be the country of origin, maybe Poland or Germany.

    Trump would have words about this evidently illegal system of social security. It is easy to give it bnames. Why shouldnt I want to work in England? Why should my home country care? Why should they be able to stop me from looking for a job in London?

    Take it as an example. There is not enough phantasy — as in that migration denial of service attack

  • Richard

    If you have come from a New World country (the Old Commonwealth, especially) one of the first things you notice in the UK is that the indigenous people are like zombies. They tread the same worn roads and are too frightened actually to confront real issues. It may not be as bad now as it was in the 1980s, but there is little vitality in the place. People blow about like leaves in the wind, directionless, identity-less and aimless, by and large. The only confident ones are the BMEs; Muslims full of fury and hatred, blacks believing they are the “vibe” that keeps “culture” going, and Indians out to make money. The indigenous people have accepted the death sentence they have imposed on themselves over three or four generations, now, and care for nothing but their pensions and equity in their homes. The Left has taken the political and cultural spheres almost in total, and whatever is left just carries on from the momentum of the past, gradually running down and changing into the Third World. Remarkable, how the ignorant and primitive have trumped the intelligent and sophisticated. Makes you wonder how intelligent we really were, to have pushed ourselves into this impasse. Never mind, in a couple of generations the opera houses, museums and theatres will all be mosques and multiple housing, and nobody will know any differently. Not with a bang, but with a whimper.

    • Fritz123

      As consumers we are all the same.

    • Mitzi

      Well Richard I think you have put it into a nutshell. We have sleep walked into what we are now, we believed those in charge knew what they were doing but as soon as we realised they had no idea of the outcome their actions would bring us we should have stood up to be counted. It’s still not too late for us but we have to have leaders who believe in the people, their country and their heritage. Sadly not too many of them are about.

      • John_Twiss

        We choose to blame our governments and indeed in a sense they have allowed us to buckle under pressure – but the real culprits have been the unions that began with decent aims, but soon became a behemoth of irrational and impractical actions that served not only to ruin our industries and our economy, but also to feather the nests of of their newly privileged commissars.

        • Fritz123

          Would like to shoot at least two people to the moon but in general the EU does some very good work. It just needs some resistance.

          • Msw3681 sw

            It needs shooting, more like.

      • Fritz123

        Create chaos and money takes over. People are very stupid.

        • OmnipotentWizard

          How does it feel to be so much better than other people. It must be so difficult to live among those so inferior to you. But you need to be careful as there is a real possibility that your ego might become so large it will escape your body.

      • OmnipotentWizard

        “We have sleep walked into what we are now,…” Wealthier, healthier and safer than every past generation.

        • Mitzi

          Granted but have we not lost something great in the process.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            What?

            Wizard Rule 44: Those who spend their whole time dwelling on the past will miss the future.

          • BrickinaWall

            As in an imperialist greed to subjucate other peoples, steal their countries and lives while forcing our ideals and mores on their children? No, good riddance to all that.

    • Fritz123

      The zombie topic is very good and my two cents on this are when I was in Regent street the last time for some family matter. Those people were all one tick faster than people in Germany. It is relativ and this is why we need the realistic UK in the EC and beyond. They were young and dressed in black and maybe not completely indigenious but Swinging London. What we need is a sense of history. Europe in not just an administrated area. Maybe it is a question of generations. My father was an officer in WWII. Many politicians in Germany were soldiers or whatever as well. They still knew what they were talking about.

    • OmnipotentWizard

      Are those the Zombies that live in the wealthiest, healthiest & safest generation ever?

    • rogerrandout1

      We are where we are due to our history. The fight to end the ‘ruling elite’ and the resulting rise in socialism which fostered this hatred amongst the ‘working class’ is ongoing in the minds of those still endaged in such nonsense . I see on the Gaurdian CIF these degenerates obsessing about ‘tory toffs ‘ and theivng bankers who are labled little less than child eaters/molesters. and that all we need to save the whole of humanity is to destroy that section of the community. Unless and untill this mindset is anhilated Britain as a nation will never progress outside the EU.The British people have long since given up due to the past thirty years of mindless PC and feminism . They didnt put up any fight because they had no one to lead them. Maggie Thatcher was the last throw of the dice for the British people who as you implied in your post would only get into a lather if the government suggested an end to car boot sales and X factor

    • Jackthesmilingblack

      Just back from a couple of weeks in UK fateful some five years. The Army were doing a recruitment in Leicester centre; up-armored vehicles, weapons. Asked one squaddie if these were the people they were defending, vaguely indicating the shuffling indigenous population and the immigrants. Older guys gave a knowing smile.
      Jack, Penang

    • Larry Bond

      You write well and make a strong case, and I see daily examples of what you are speaking about: Societal failure may be our fate. But the shock of rapidly declining living standards and the complete transition of parts of Britain might yet startle us out of our complacency. At least I hope it might.

  • Fritz123

    As I have my own theory of social security and dignity in the responsibility of the home country, that result of talks that the radio speaks of shows my theory of a lack of phantasy in clear light:

    No member state wants to kill himself and there is as much a duty for a deeper and deaper cooperation is as there was a duty of South Adrica to give Bashir to the ICC. The rebellion of UK in the EU should not be more than a rebellion for the benefit of everxybody. The UK is not different. We are all equal and live in the same Europe. We just need more battles in the EU. The EU is too peacefull. We may have to change a lot of policies completely. And it is perfectly legal form the point of view of the nationaöl law to break EU law if anybody so pleases. It is not perfectly wrong to break international law when this is necessary for the very survival of the nation. The inheritant right of selfdefense. Do what you like.

    • John_Twiss

      Dear Sir, you must have been tripping on something entirely new, I would love to now what it was so I too may indulge in an adventure that pales before Alice’s Wonderland experiences.

      • Fritz123

        I just try to put thing supside down and the base of social security in the home country and the home law. I dont think that the EU or the resident state are responsible for an aliens human dignity. He can allways be happy at home.

    • Msw3681 sw

      I think you will find we bloody can leave mate. And as the others said, what on earth are you smoking?

      • Fritz123

        What do you want?

        • Msw3681 sw

          To leave the EU, control our borders, deport all muslim criminals, rapists, radicals, any that riot, get rid of the tories, labour, and start again with parties with new people who represent the people.

          • Fritz123

            Thanks a lot. I grew up in London and would miss the realiasm and the power of the UK in the EU very much. I wholeheartedly agree with the rest, but this would mean to trash burocracy or whatever and not more. We are what we are and that community thing is not bad per se. There is a text by Lessing on English gardens in contrast to French. This community could be a total different thing. IMHO.

          • Msw3681 sw

            Without leaving the EU, nothing will happen, as in, it will not get better. The EU is out of control and if we do not leave, it will get worse for us. We have no power in the EU, that much is clear. They control us and make our laws……

          • Fritz123

            It is not out of control. There are just some very basic things completely wrong. The so called “refugees” are one topic. Look at the EU asylum law etc, it is based on the Geneva convention and the NY protocol. I could tell you an easy way to get rid of it all, well, there are many. In any case, migration is something completely different. The EU does not matter at all. There is no EU migration law, just refugee law, and refugees are something else.

            What is similar broken or could be changed competely and would also change the situation on the ground completely is the social security law. If you are broken you get money to survive. Which state is responsible? IMHO it is basically the own state and not the state of residence. If they have no money anymore and the own country does not pay they have to go home. Sorry for my poor English but I want to give you two examples where we cannot say: “It is the EU”.

            Maybe the UK has to leave because it is weak?

          • Msw3681 sw

            I am not going to argue with you on this, but it is out of control. That is the end of that. We are not responsible for these people. If they make the journey, that is up to them. We do not have to pay them any money. We are not leaving because we are weak. We are leaving because the EU is out of control, and we the people did not elect them. We want to make our own laws, control our borders and decide who we wan to take and stop migrants having benefits an social housing they have not paid for.

          • Fritz123

            “We are not responsible for these people.” Dont you think there is something common? I am not defending any German-French-Axis or whatever of my crazy Kanzler Merkel and that ilche, but who should change that? If not those peole who know it better. What is important and what not. Without the UK it would probable be impossible to change anything. I dont believe in Le Pen etc. I located my socialsecurityproblem in the Directive2004/38/EC. They invent some new person, the citizen of Europe, and think this is enough to justify socialsecurity in another state. But this is nowhere in the treaty that speaks of equal working conditions and not equal social security. Social security is a responsibility of the home country where that person comes from.

          • Msw3681 sw

            We are not responsible for paying the whole world or housing them either. Apart from which, we do not want any more muslims. The ones we already have are trouble without taking in any more trouble makers, rapists, thieves…

          • Fritz123

            But why dont you say this in the EU? The Geneva convention is everywhere the same. All memberstates of the EU have the same problems. Those problems have nothing to do with the EU and all the EU does is to remind us to this fact. The problems of the UK dont change when it has left the EU. You would have to trash the Geneva law and not the EU to get rid of “muslims”.

            I would send them from Greece directly back to 5yria

          • Fritz123

            Nothing would stop you from taking migrants in if you would say “they are not refugees” and would trash the Geneva refugee law. There is no EU law without this. Read it.

            And the UK is a party of the Geneva convention etc. The EU law and what Bruxelles says does not matter at all without that Geneva law. The EU law just regulates the consequences of it (give them to your neighbor). According to Geneva the UK would have to take the refugees itself.

            It would be up to the UK to say: No, you are all crazy!! Migration is no case for Geneva!! The UK would have to say it as a nation as well. Because refugees have to be taken in.

            Btw, there is a withdrawal clause in the NY protocol that expanded the after WWII refugee law to everywhere. As in the NPT.

          • Fritz123

            “Our laws”, I remember an early fishery case and the “dear and noble brothers in law” made no problem out of it. To the surprise of my German lawprof. Maybe Germany was more activ in certain destinction with its court in Karlsruhe. “Solange” 1, 2, 3 etc. The Brexit is the result of poor reflection?

      • Fritz123

        The European commission, Bruxelles burocracy, has some sort of monopoly for new ideas. This is much worse than the famous lack of democracy. To talk and to listen. The commission is allways right. Lets fight this together.

        There would be no “misuse of social security” in the countries of residence for example if the home countries would have to care for social security also abroad. Social security does not have anything to do with the place of work, but with human dignity that is a problem of the home country alone. Maybe not the main reason to leave the EU, but the fact that we let the UK pay for Polish workers in London instead of Poland shows IMHO very well how much the perception of the rights and duties of states in the EU is distorted. We should have better deals.

  • Grumpier Old Woman

    Bang on!

    • OmnipotentWizard

      Did did a bit, didn’t he.

  • Adrian Brown

    You are 100% right

  • Toku Floyd

    Thank you ‘Taki’, for telling it like it is.

  • Antoine Bisset

    It is interesting that the Swiss hold frequent referenda on lots of things that they consider more or less important. (I understand that it is mandatory for citizens to vote.) The Swiss held a referendum to decide which type of fighter jet should be bought to equip the Swiss air force. The possibility of the jets ever actually being used is small to vanishing, as the Swiss are neutral and not likely to be attacked by the EU, and no-one else could get there. Not to put too fine a point on it, the type of fighter chosen was utterly trivial, they may as well have chosen Spitfires.
    Yet the Swiss Government decided that the importation of alien semi-literates into a country notoriously protective of citizenship, setting high barriers to foreigners, was not sufficiently important to be put to the people to allow them to decide? A bit odd?

    • Msw3681 sw

      Deliberate, more like.

  • Ian

    I agree the EU is a disaster,I was happy to be a member till this immigration started a few years ago now I just wonder what the fools in charge are aiming for,as much as I feel for the Syrians they all can’t come to Europe as for the Africans we definitely do not want them,very racist but true.After much thought and a certain amount of trepidation I will be voting to leave,quickly.

    • OmnipotentWizard

      “I was happy to be a member till this immigration started…” So as the was in Syria will finish soon does that mean you will once again become happy to be a member?

      • Todd Unctious

        Oh he is a member ,all right.

      • covert

        That doesn’t get rid of the rest of the leeches that are not refugees ,the ones that beg on the streets shoplift in gangs, use women in brothels, and gangs who supply workers all over Britain, we have imported all of the criminal elements because our system is so soft and giving but only to them not our own.

        • OmnipotentWizard

          You mean the immigrants who’ll be the ones paying your pension?

          The truth about benefits:

          Immigrants outside EU can’t claim a single Penny unless they live here for ten years & get their residency sorted out. . otherwise they have to claim asylum ( but only for short periods). Non EU workers are not entitled to any sort of benefits but they have to pay for NHS & Visa fees. Either they have to be British nationals or resident permit holders after living more than ten years legally in this country. If they are living illegally then they can’t even use NHS.

          • covert

            Nobody pays my pension , my pension was aleady paid for by myself and employers with NI over 48yrs , and private pensions also paid for by myself and employers over 30yrs, and never claimed a penny in benefits in all that time, how the government pays it now is not my concern, they are the ones that abused their positions and squandered all our pension funds when they had no right to those funds as they had made no contribution to them, this was not their money to use so basically it was theft and they should have been charged with it.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            “my pension was aleady paid for by myself and employers with NI over 48yrs ,” Incorrect covert. The money that you and I paid in has been spent. You might think the Government owes it to you but it will only pay what it can raise in taxes and if there are not enough tax payers then we won’t get a very good pension.

            “…this was not their money to use so basically it was theft…” That is a valid position to take but it won;t make the money magically become unspent. The reality is we need immigrants.

          • Mary Ann

            Sorry, I posted my reply to covert before I saw that you had put more or less the same as me.

          • covert

            your right the money I paid in has been spent, and since the 1950 s that’s the way its been, but it does not detract from the fact that I have paid my pension, this was the point I made. if my Employers and I could have paid the money into a bank account instead of to the government, even at a relatively low wage estimate of £15000 a year over my working life I would have had a pension pot of approx. £260,000 and that as an annuity would have given me a bigger pension than the government gives, i know where the government gets its money to pay pensions, mines has been paid in full, and I still pay tax.

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            An unity us another giant scam. Take the money and run.

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            The NI is one giant Ponzi scheme.

          • Mary Ann

            You do not pay your pension with your NI contributions, you pair for those who were already retired and when you retire your pension will be paid for by those who are still working. When the state retirement pension were first started there was no fund so those who were working at the time, started paying for those who were already retired. The system has never changed and with people living longer and the birth rate below the replacement rate there will soon be real problems with paying state pensions unless either the government increases the NI contributions or of course we have more fit young migrants.

          • covert

            Non-UK nationals – the benefits you may be able to receive

            There are different types of non-UK nationals. The following sections tell you about some of the groups and the benefits to which you may be entitled if you are in one of these. This is not a complete list, and there may be some exceptions to these rules.

            Non-EU Nationals

            a third country national (nationals of a non-EU country) with limited leave, including work permit holders, spouses and civil partners during the two year probationary period generally won’t be able to receive any benefits

            Asylum Seekers

            for asylum seekers and those who are destitute, for example, you are homeless or can’t buy food, financial support may be provided by the Home Office

            Cash Support from the Home Office(external link)

            Refugees

            a refugee, or someone who has been granted Humanitarian Protection / Discretionary Leave is eligible to apply for benefits in the same way as a UK national

            customers who have been granted leave to stay in the UK by the United Kingdom Border Agency and have gone straight from National Asylum Support Service support into work can apply for Tax Credits – they are eligible to use the Fast-Track process at their local Social Security or Jobs & Benefits Office when applying

            if a refugee satisfies the fast track criteria, Social Security Agency staff can put in a Fast Track claim on behalf of the customer. Agency staff are aware of the Home Office documents that must be provided and can advise the customer – they can then send the fully completed claim and verified documents to Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs (HMRC) by courier, preventing any delays to the claim

            the Home Office, at the same time as providing the customer with their Home Office documents will follow the current fast track National Insurance Number allocation process arranged with the Social Security Agency, who will in turn, allocate the customer a National Insurance Number

            Use the Benefits Adviser to check which benefits you may be entitled to.

            Benefits Adviser

        • Bob Matthews

          Dream on. The foreign criminal gangs all strangely seem to have “connections” to the Brtitish “great and good” but accepting and coming to terms with that unsavoury truth blows your argument out of the water.

    • Todd Unctious

      We joined the EU in 1973. In the 42 years from 1931 to 1973 the Foreign born population rose from 2% to 6.5%. Trebling.
      In the 42 years since it has risen to 13%. Doubling. The rate of immigration was much higher in the 50s and 60s before we joined the EU.

      • Lavinia Webb

        The rate was higher before we joined, but the numbers lower. Go figure, Einstein.

        • Todd Unctious

          A lot more people left after we joined. After Franco died 600,000 went to Spain alone.

          • Bob Matthews

            Not unsurprising, they saw in Thatcher what they despised in Franco, a vicious two faced facist.

          • Tamerlane

            They saw cheap sangria and beach holidays you dimwit and most of them were hard core Maggie voters.

          • Lavinia Webb

            Where do you keep your double barelled ….?

          • Tamerlane

            Malaga.

          • Lavinia Webb

            🙂

          • Lavinia Webb

            Todd, let me make this easier for you.For arguments sake, we’ll say there was a foreign born population of 2000 in 1931(2%)of 100.000 and 6500 in 1973(6.5%).As you so rightly say, a trebling, and an increase of 4500, Since then ,the rate of immigration has slowed to only double, but an increase of 6500 to a total of 13000( now 13%of the population). In another 40 years it might double again….26% ! plus the fact the ethnics are outbreeding the indigenous. It won’t be the England I knew and loved…but I’ll be long gone !

          • Todd Unctious

            I fully understand the maths. My point is the rate of increase has slowed. The kippers keep blaming the EU but we were accruing foreigners much more quickly before 1973. For the stick in the mud racial purists the expected date of foreign majority at current rates of increase is the year 2080. But by then the current ” foreigners”will be British.

          • mike53

            And some people print things with ought getting their facts right.

          • Lavinia Webb

            or their spelling…

          • mike53

            Please ignore my earlier remark , it should have been tagged to the silly comment made by Mary Ann and her 2 million ex-pat`s outburst. sorry.

          • Mary Ann

            Are you saying that there are not 2 million British people living in Europe?

          • Lavinia Webb

            The majority of your pre 1973 immigrants were from the Caribbean, ‘invited’ to drive our buses and staff our hospitals by a certain Mr Enoch Powell, junior Minister at the Dept of Transport. What has speed got to do with it, when we’re being invaded by aliens ?

          • Todd Unctious

            No they weren’t. By 1973 Britain had 3.7 million immigrants of whom 550,000 were Caribbean. The rest were mainly from Ireland, India, Pakistan and Germany. But even then we had120,000 Poles and 100,000 Canadians.

          • Mary Ann

            Aliens, they are human beings just like you and me, we are all African under the skin.

          • Mary Ann

            The ethnic birth rate drops right down by the second generation, anyway including everyone the birth rate is below the replacement rate, so if we do not continue to have migrants there won’t be any people left to be British. Western Europeans with a birth rate of 1.6 will be extinct in about 10 generations,

      • Village Idiot

        By that reckoning, if from 2089 to 2099 the percentage foreign born increased from 91% to 100% then that would be of no import, being an increase of only 10% or so.

      • wiley789

        maybe so, but the people we took in were people we WANTED, ie from the commonwealth. not ungrateful lazy turds who want to devolve your society.

        • BrickinaWall

          The majority of those lazy tuds you refer to are Brits.

          • Bob Matthews

            Well said!

        • Bob Matthews

          Well looking at the so called British of today, I wouldn’t want any of the whining, miserable, self important, greedy fools anywhere near my country.

        • Mary Ann

          I had a conversation today with someone who is extremely right wing, his words, he wants to leave the EU because he hates blacks and Muslims, he seemed most surprised when I explained to him that most of our Muslims come from the Middle East and places like Pakistan, and that the EU is predominately White Christian, mind you, he does read the Wail and the Express.

          • Tamerlane

            So what’s your point, you met a fascist? Congrats. That’s the circles you keep. Spend time with normal people in future and get a nicer circle of friends.

          • Mary Ann

            I didn’t realise he was like that, he seems so meek and mild. He has certainly gone down in my estimation.

        • Mary Ann

          Actually most of them are people who have the get up and go to do something to improve their lives the sort of people who are valuable to us.

      • Mary Ann

        And of course as the world gets smaller all countries have more immigration, we must of course remember that Britons are also migrants, think about the 2 million of them living in Europe, about the same number of EU migrants as there are in this country. Of course people like Farage don’t talk about British emigrants.

        • Todd Unctious

          Think of the 70 million in the USA descended from British migrants.

          • Lavinia Webb

            ALL Americans are migrants…except for the Injuns.

          • Todd Unctious

            Well folk have been washing up there since 1500. Do we assume those that came here since then are not migrants?

          • Mary Ann

            Even the natives are migrants, human life evolved in Africa.

        • Tamerlane

          The world is the same size its been for about three billion years, the population gets bigger. Nothing is getting smaller aside from the pea brains of the British Left

    • RWJ

      We didn’t join in 73…… a fat stupid Tory put us in without mandate. Wilson gave us the option in 75 but as we were in already the vote was to remain. If we had the option in 73 the mood was to reject membership. The old Soviet bloc mob destroyed the EEC and our stupid regime change fiasco put the final bullet in the EEC head.

      • Todd Unctious

        Sorry. But yes we did join in 1973. All of the history books record this fact despite what Kippers wish.

      • Philip

        I disagree that eastern bloc states ‘destroyed the EEC, that honour I suggest rest with Germany and France, they control the EU – not the new eastern bloc members

        • Mary Ann

          Of course if Britain had fully joined Europe rather than sitting on the sidelines we would probably be running it by now

          • Tamerlane

            You can’t join Europe. There’s no such thing to join, either you are a part of the geographical entity or you’re not (btw we are). What I think you mean is ‘fully joined the European Union’ (an organisation made of of many but by no means all European states) which we have fully joined.

      • Lavinia Webb

        We joined a ‘Common Market’, not a Federal State of Europe as underlings,and I think you mean ‘fat stupid Tory paedophile !

  • OmnipotentWizard

    We are all a lot more wealthy than when we joined the EEC/EU – I wonder why that is?

    • Richard

      And we’re also educateder.

    • RWJ

      A lot of us a lot more stupid too…………I wonder why that is. Impotentahole.

      • Cap’n Obvious

        We can blame the welfare state for that – subsidising the stupid and feckless to breed like rats. Hardly surprising that the average intelligence has plummeted and so many people are unemployable.

        • Bob Matthews

          Considering that the wealthy spongers deliberately supported the creation of the Welfare State to provide cheap labour for their self serving enterprises, I would suggest that the real rats and their breeding habits can be seen on a daily basis on the front bench of government and oppposition, flouncing around as past their sell by date “royals” and embedded in the devious financ ial banking and finance markets. Please tell. where do you fit in? or are you one of the arrogant who is so thick that you really believe you were born to rule?

        • Mary Ann

          Where did you get that from, our birth rate is actually below the replacement rate so we need migrants to look after us in our old age.

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            Sure, but there was no need to scrape the bottom of the barrel. Muslim child rapist need not apply.

      • OmnipotentWizard

        I’m sure that just a small group of elite thinkers like you understand the truth while all the other sheep are just fools. But I’d like you to consider an alternative – just maybe it is you that don’t really understand and the majority are the sensible ones.

        I just thought I’d ask if you’d considered that.

        • BrickinaWall

          The majority, as in the masses, are never sensible. Human progress stems from those who think unlike the masses.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            …and so do wars Bricky.

          • BrickinaWall

            Sure, but idiots cause wars too, without any of the benefits of intelligent thought and or human progress.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            Wizard Rule 53: Idealists make war. Pragmatists make peace.

            Corbyn, Trump & Farage are idealists.

          • BrickinaWall

            I’m not so sure; many wars are fought for purely pragmatic reasons. I mean Thatcher was a pragmatist and so was Bush, and Clinton and so on.

          • BrickinaWall

            Pragmatists often make war. Thatcher, Bush (both) and Clinton were all pragmatists and they all started wars. Obama, the idealist, has bent over backwards trying to avoid going to war.

            Assuming they get into power; Trump has already threatened military action in various guises against various peoples, it’s not strech to see Farage following the US into another pointless war. Corby could possibly buck the trend.

    • Lavinia Webb

      So we should stay in just for the money?

      • OmnipotentWizard

        Only a rich person would ask that question.

    • Philip

      So are all the other countries who didn’t join. Your point has no validity

      • OmnipotentWizard

        Not as much as us – we are on track to be the 4th largest economy in the World – why would we risk that?

        • Tamerlane

          Precisely. The quicker we leave the EU the sooner we can be third. Well said.

          • Todd Unctious

            To be third we need to overtake Japan whose economy is 65% bigger. Osborne will need a raft of smoke and mirrors to pretend that. Especially with all the trade tariffs imposed on the Billy no mates UK.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            “BRITAIN is set to overtake Germany and have the biggest economy in Western Europe within two decades, experts have predicted. The annual report from the Centre for Economic and Business Research has forecast that the UK will surge up the world prosperity table for years to come. Apart from leaping ahead of German chancellor Angela Merkel’s homeland, Britain will also overtake Japan and have the fourth biggest economy in the world by the 2030s, the report said.” (Daily Express 25/12/2015)

          • oliver cromwell

            if we stay in and make that much the EU will grab it

          • OmnipotentWizard

            As part of the reason for our staggering success is membership then we have to pay our dues.

          • Tamerlane

            65% bigger? So glad you’re not my mortgage broker, can only shudder at the thought of the rip off deal you would throw my way with accounting like yours, just as well I don’t need a mortgage eh?

          • Todd Unctious

            Actually I make a good mortgage adviser. My own family are paying just 1.79% with no fees.
            GNP figures are O level geography. Japan’s GDP is $4700 billion. Ours is $2900 billion. That is 62.5% higher.
            I feel sorry for your failure to grasp basic maths. Not having a mortgage when money is this cheap is mental. Oh but then you are….

          • Tamerlane

            I don’t need a mortgage. Sorry about that. Enjoy the repayments. Like I said, here he comes with the GNP figures. No wonder your lot is the back streets of Taunton.

          • Todd Unctious

            I don’t need a mortgage. But I advise my family well.

          • Tamerlane

            Congratulations.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            And we are on track to do this. Remember Japans debt to GDP ratio is almost four times as much as ours.

        • Todd Unctious

          According to the UN, the IMF, the CIA and the World Bank we have the fifth largest economy behind the US China, Japan and Germany. Out of these we have the largest External debts at 4.6 times GDP because of all the tax dodgers using the CoLC haven.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            Incorrect. Here are the real facts:

            “Although 80% of GDP is high by recent UK standards, it is worth bearing in mind that other countries have a much bigger problem. Japan for example has a National debt of 225%, Italy is over 120%. The US national debt is close to
            80% of GDP. Also the UK has had much highernational debt in the past, e.g. in the late 1940s, UK debt was over 200% of GDP.” (economicshelp website)

            Also S&P rate our capability to handle this debt as AAA (their highest level).

          • oliver cromwell

            are but Merkel is plotting against Italy Spain and Porugal so they will not be bailed out

          • covert

            That would have something to do with having to borrow and buy from America ,to fight a war for the freedom we now enjoy.

          • Todd Unctious

            I didn’t realise you didn’t understand. I am referring to Total debts. What the country owes in total .That is all consumer debt, Government debt, corporate debt ( owed by companies) and banking debts. This is at 460% of GDP.
            You quote solely Government debts.
            British companies borrow heavily abroad in order to claim tax deductions for the interest. Osborne encourages massive debts.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            Companies and people can sort out their own debt (or go bankrupt). The only important thing is the Government debt and then that can only be judged as a percentage of GDP and not an absolute number.

            Here is what the rating agencies think of the UK: S&P AAA (top rate), Fitch AA+, Moody’s Aa1, DBRS AAA (top rate), JCR AAA (top rate), etc.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            …and your cause and effect between tax avoiders and levels of personal debt is very shaky.

        • Nos Feratu

          5th, with food banks, I see, I see – crumbling NHS, education, housing stock, part-time jobs/temporary/zero-hours, oh yes, that’s what I call a fifth or fourth economy, heard all this crap before, it only means something to the rich that already have all the money.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            “…with food banks,…” I’ve destroyed this point on a different thread.

            “crumbling NHS” Hardly. Longevity is at an all time high & Infant Mortality is at an all time low. Cancer survival rates are at record high.

            “education, …” Hardly.
            “The UK has been ranked second among European countries and sixth place in the global education rankings in a new listing compiled by the Economist Intelligence Unit (EIU).” (ITV Online News – 8 May 2014)

            “part-time jobs/temporary/zero-hours” Hardly.
            “The Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development (CIPD), …, reported …3-4% of the workforce, work under the terms of a zero-hour contract…16% of those on zero-hours contracts felt they did not have an opportunity to work enough hours.” (Wikipedia)
            AND
            “Unemployment has fallen by more than 100,000 to its lowest level in over seven years, new figures have shown….The employment rate has reached 73.7%, the highest since comparable records began in 1971. (Yahoo 11/11/2015)

            “…the rich that already have all the money.” Incorrect.
            “The ONS’s ‘Wealth and Assets Survey’ provides snapshots of recent distributions of household wealth in the UK…” It shows that the share of the UK’s wealth owned by the bottom 50% has actually increased since 2006 whereas the share of the top 10% has decreased. The only large change (increase) has been in the top 0.01%. (Source: ONS (2014))

          • Nos Feratu

            Rubbish, Omni …it’s always the rich that get richer, if you can’t see that (which you clearly can’t) then I suggest you join the Government and sport bile like all politicians too, ‘bigging’ themselves and the economy up, so they can’t get more ‘investors’. NHS NOT crumbling? Do you actually read up it’s heading for financial meltdown, thanks to successive governments? Apparently not. Unemployment falling? Zero-hour contracts for example, that’s REAL employment just like a part-time job??? No, think you need to get a grip mate. You’ve destroyed the food bank on a different thread? Kids going to school starving, missing a breakfast? Hmmm…….. you must be in another country. What’s that saying about statistics and lies..? Same. tired old argument.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            I can’t help noticing that whereas I backup my assertions with easily checkable references that you just post your prejudices Nos.

            “…it’s always the rich that get richer,…” They most certainly do as do the rest of us.

            “NHS NOT crumbling?” Indeed. For example:
            “The infant mortality rate in England and Wales for 2013 was the lowest ever recorded, new figures reveal. The numbers from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) show there were 3.8 deaths per 1,000 births, down from 4.8 in 2012, and 10.1 in 1983….Between 1983 and 2013, the age-specific mortality rate for children aged one to 14 years fell by 66%, from 29 deaths per 100,000 population in 1983 to 10 deaths per 100,000 in 2013.” (Yahoo 10/03/2015)
            AND
            “Cancer death rates in the UK have fallen byabout 10% in the past 10 years, the latest figures show. In 2013, 284 out of every 100,000 people died from cancer. In 2003, it was 312. Improvements in diagnosis and treatment are thought to be the reason. The death rate for men fell 12% and for women by 8%, narrowing the gender gap. But the actual number of cancer deaths rose – from 155,000 in 2003 to 162,000 in 2013 – as more people live longer and develop the disease in old age.” (BBC Online News 04/02/2016)

            “Do you actually read up it’s heading for financial meltdown,..” If a helath trust runs out of money then the boards are sacked and more money is found. The service continues – no big deal.

            “Unemployment falling?” As I have just proven to you.

            “Zero-hour contracts for example, that’s REAL employment just like a part-time job???” And I’ve just shown you what a minor issue this is.

            “You’ve destroyed the food bank on a different thread?” Indeed I did. Read the Trussell Trust website where they explain the reasons that people use foodbanks.

            “Kids going to school starving,…”
            Wizard Rule 8: Just because you want something to be true that doesn’t mean it is.

            So – more facts and less predjucies from you please.

      • Todd Unctious

        Luxembourg is Europe’s richest country. It joined the EU in 1957. The Norwegians and Swiss are too greedy to share their wealth.

        • Philip

          It must be nice to know why the Swiss and Norwegians elected not to join the EU!!! Please share the source.
          Interesting also that Luxembourg wealth is derived almost solely by the banking industry that everyone loves to knock

          • oliver cromwell

            its was the thieving juncker got companies to bank there with tax benefits got
            rich by stealing from other EU countries

          • Todd Unctious

            Swiss wealth is derived from banking secrecy too. What do you know!

          • Philip

            It isn’t about what I know or don’t know; it was your clear statement that the Swiss and Norwegians ‘are too greedy to share their wealth’. I simply asked where you derived that info, or did you just make it up?

    • Tamerlane

      Margaret Thatcher, that’s why.

      • Mary Ann

        Maggie only increased the gap between rich ad poor, That’s why she is detested by so many people

        • Tamerlane

          No, she didn’t, she put more wealth into the hands of the poor than any PM before or since, those ‘poor’ then went and started voting Tory, that’s the bit you lot can’t hack. She destroyed the left, wiped her backside with it. Legend.

          • Mary Ann

            Cloud cuckoo land, of course she did bribe the working classes by selling off council houses so now there is a shortage of cheap housing for the low paid.

          • Tamerlane

            All government is bribery fool.

          • Mary Ann

            Insults = weak argument.

          • Tamerlane

            That’s the best you can do? Aside from the sad admission you would rather the working class were poor and property-less if it means they keep voting Labour it’s nice to have your kind out of the closet. I’ve always said left wing politics is for cynical and evil people and my how you prove it.

          • Mary Ann

            “working class were poor and property-less,” They are without decent homes because Maggie sold of council housing at well below its market value and now young families have great difficulty renting affordable housing.

          • Tamerlane

            The working class from that generation are mainly middle class these days with kids at private school thanks to Maggie.

          • Mary Ann

            You live on a different planet to me.

          • Tamerlane

            I don’t. The working class may well be neglected and dumped on, I happen to agree, but it’s nothing to do with Maggie, she was their greatest champion and she put more into the middle class than any other PM.

            Maggie was a long time ago now, quarter of a century, you can’t blame her for eternity… well you can I suppose but you’re after the wrong villain.

          • Mary Ann

            Actually apart from her politics, I quiet admired her, she certainly had balls, for me, apart from selling off council houses for a song, the worse thing I think she said was “there’s no such thing as society, just individuals” which sounds OK until something goes wrong in your life and you need help. Looking after the weak is a sign of a civilised society. That and de-regulating lending so people borrowed far more than they could afford and ended up in difficulties.

          • Todd Unctious

            Another crass jibe from the staff shill.

          • Todd Unctious

            She was the poster girl for the Mont Pelerin society and there Neo -Liberal dogma based on inequality and elitism.

          • jenna rose

            Erm,…you are a complete imbecile she had an agenda her entire time in office that was delivered day 1, YOU were never aware nor consulted only left joining up dots opposing in sense an nature yet managing to manifest from that a ‘legend’ I admire you for that,..

          • Tamerlane

            Did they teach you that in primary school? Sober up sweets. Sleep off that Sunday lunch. School day tomorrow.

          • Todd Unctious

            The differential in longevity between the poorest tenth of society and the richest 5% has got much wider since 1980.
            It is in the STimes today. The toffs live to be 97 and the poor to just 64. Thanks Thatcher.

          • Tamerlane

            26 years ago she left office… one day you’ll have to find a new villain.

          • Todd Unctious

            When the 97 year olds were 71 and the 64 year old poor were 38.
            She came to office when they were respectively 60 and 27. One day you will have to find a new heroine.

          • Tamerlane

            Think you’ll fine the ‘1%’ richest live to a ripe old age now, all over the world, as they’ve always done, for ever and ever. There’s always been a 1% and there always will be, by definition. It’s a rather selective and out-of-context stat you’ve pulled there.

            PS – Can’t wait for a new heroine. Theresa May?

          • Todd Unctious

            Can you not read. I said 5%.

          • Tamerlane

            1…5…10…pick a number to suit the argument, s’all the same game.

        • jenna rose

          Sorry the WHO ? could define British ?

    • oliver cromwell

      how do you work that out 43,000 people fighting to keep the roof over there head

      • OmnipotentWizard

        Indicator of wealth since we joined:

        We can now afford almost three times as many cars per million people on the road. People have twice as long vacations and will probably go further. We eat out four times as often. People spend longer in retirement. Obesity is now a problem that our parents certainly couldn’t afford. The number of households has grown as we can afford to have less people per house. Benefits have far outstripped inflation.

        • Nos Feratu

          That’ll explain the food banks then? Or kids’ teachers at school, giving them food? Or wages not rising, OR housing costs going up. I’m sure the three million cars go with that.

          • OmnipotentWizard

            “That’ll explain the food banks then…” Only a few people use foodbanks and then only when their situation changes:

            “The (Church of England-backed) Hunger and Food Poverty inquiry found that …Administrative delays in paying state benefits was the reason many people visited food banks,” (Yahoo 08/12/2014)

            The Trussell Trust website agrees with this.

            “Or kids’ teachers at school, giving them food?” That was a Daily Mail shock-horror story.

            “Or wages not rising,…” Incorrect.

            “Wages are now rising at a stronger pace than inflation for the first time since 2009, easing the squeeze on household budgets. Bank of England Governor Mark Carney said …Real incomes will be further supported by lower energy, food and other import prices. Oil prices are now 20% lower than a year ago and food price inflation is at a 12-year low.” (Yahoo 12/11/2014)

    • Sharky71

      If you include credit cards and loans stupidly high benefits as wealth then you may be right.
      Never in history has our actual debt been higher.
      Some people just don’t understand the difference between debt and wealth.

      • OmnipotentWizard

        Debts have to be paid back and so your point is very shaky.

        Shaky Sharky – I like it.

  • Philip

    Good article

    • Todd Unctious

      Where?

  • Tamerlane

    Join Schengen get migrants, it’s a simple equation. Where the Swiss may get it right is they won’t hand out passports to any of them.

    • LG

      We’re not in Schengen.

      • Todd Unctious

        Tammy is not on this Planet. He is a paid shill.

      • Tamerlane

        Duh! The article’s about Switzerland. Does help to read the article first.

  • Nos Feratu

    Terrorists, criminals and disease-spreaders, let alone spongers, PLUS, related to that, HALF our prison population is foreign-born. Still, this is right-wing propaganda isn’t it? compared to ‘tolerance’ and diversity, that will surely be the death-knoll for Britain eventually.

    • OmnipotentWizard

      “…HALF our prison population is foreign-born….” If I asked you to produce a quote from a reputable publication to support this “fact” would you go very quiet?

      • covert

        nowhere near half, but even in 2013 European nationals made up 4440.
        According to the statistics, the number of Romanian inmates rose from 454 in September 2011 to 624 last month.

        Fraudsters from the former Eastern bloc country are responsible for 92 per cent of all ATM crime in Britain, according to police figures.

        One of the most notorious examples is Gheorge Banu who, in 2005 was the ringleader of a gang who used fake ATM machines to record financial details to take £643,000 from customers’ accounts. A judge had already asked for his deportation after a previous conviction.

        The number of Polish prisoners, the largest East European group in British jails, has climbed 10 per cent to 807; enough to fill Belmarsh high security jail in London.
        Of the eight mid and Eastern European nations represented in British prisons, including Albania and Slovakia, only Latvia saw its numbers go down. Thanks to lax laws put in place by the last Labour government, it is all too easy for foreign nationals to find excuses to stay in the UK

        MP Priti PatelBritish taxpayers are already paying more than £90million a year to fund the 2,400 Eastern Europeans currently in jail, at a rate of £38,000 per prisoner.

        • OmnipotentWizard

          “nowhere near half” Exactly covert but I’d rather like Nos Feratu to try to justify his BS – that would be fun.

        • Todd Unctious

          We should never have admitted any nations with an Orthodox heritage. So that is Romania, Bulgaria, Greece and Cyprus.
          Such people come from cultures of rampant dishonesty and corruption.

          • Tamerlane

            Ortho-Priest have it away with Mrs Yvonne/Barry olim?

          • Todd Unctious

            What is an Orthdo- priest? Is this anything like a Vicar- dentist or a Maxiliary Lama?
            What exactly do you hope to gain by spending all your time posting insults below my comments and lewd suggestions about my family? I assume as the moderator is happy, your employer is too.
            He said something we disagree with…..quick insult his wife. Tories are such loveable rogues aren’t they?

          • Tamerlane

            They certainly are. You do have an irrational hatred of anything Orthodox so I just assumed it was something personal. If I made the same stereotypical irrational comments about Jews or Muslims I’d be yelled at, by the likes of you, from the sanctimonious rooftops. My humble apologies, I think you’re a d*ck but I do apologise.

          • Todd Unctious

            I love the Orthodox faith. It is responsible for some of the most beautiful art and architecture in the Christian World. Some of the wooden Stave Churches in Romania and Ukraine are breathtaking. I have read widely about the many Orthodox Churches across Ethiopia, Armenia ,Syria etc as well as Europe.
            Sadly I have identified a common denominator which is distrust. Coupled with a culture that esteems bribery and corruption and revenge.
            Our culture of co-operation cannot cope with this, does not understand it. Yes I do not trust Russians but you can choose to ignore my warnings…….at your own risk.

          • Tamerlane

            I’m quite sure if they embraced multi-multiculturalism, gay rights, the green movement etc you’d pretty quick forgive them their ‘culture that esteems bribery and corruption and revenge’.

          • Todd Unctious

            Why? They are mostly liars. Are you from an Orthodox tradition too?

          • Todd Unctious

            A duck? I think you feel I am more than that. I really must have rattled your cage some time ago. You have haunted my posts ever since with your glib insults , smears and automatic gainsaying masquerading as debate.
            You have become obsessive to the point of ridicule. 70% of your recent posts have been simplistic responses to my comments.
            Bear grudges do you? You can get psychiatric help for that. Thanks to our proud NHS.

          • Tamerlane

            It’s like you’ve a ‘go to’ when you get out of your comfort zone.

          • Todd Unctious

            It’s like you have nothing better to do. I feel you are now a devotee of mine. How flattering.

          • Tamerlane

            And yet you imitate.

      • Nos Feratu

        HM Prisons – now let’s see where you get your crap from. Oh and by the way, having WORKED in them, I’m more qualified than you, Omnipotent

        • Todd Unctious

          When you worked there did you count them all and check their passports?

        • OmnipotentWizard

          “…now let’s see where you get your crap from” I’m not the one making the unsupported statement. I ask you you an attributed quote to backup your point (so I can check what you say) and you have been unable to supply one – point noted,

    • Todd Unctious

      Nonsense. Only 1 in 8 prisoners is foreign. Just like the general public. But there are more ex soldiers in gaol than ever served in Afghanistan at any one time.

      • Nos Feratu

        Crap, more crap – HM Prisons say HALF. Suggest you do your homework, Unctious

        • Todd Unctious

          The Howard League for Pensl reform , the ONSand the IRR all say we have 87,500 prisoners of whom 11,000are foreign nationals. That is indeed one in eight. I have done my homework. You are either guessing or deliberately falsifying. I think the latter based on how angry you get when challenged.

  • Sri Krishna Bhagawan

    Britain send all their convicted violent criminals to Australia, The locals were so delighted, they decided to live off them,

    • Mary Ann

      I suggest you check your history, it was the British who committed mass murder against the locals and it didn’t stop until the 20th Century, they didn’t even get counted as people until the 1960s

      • OmnipotentWizard

        Same as every other country where two or more races lived together at that time then.

        Things didn’t improve until the British outlawed slavery.

        Interesting facts: The amount spent by the UK Government on paying off slave owners and policing the World to stop slavery is comparable the the amount spent on bailing out the banks.

      • Sri Krishna Bhagawan

        Sorry you could not even get the saecasm. I am sure u are not a true blue

        • Mary Ann

          Missed it. My husband grew up in Australia and suffered constant racial abuse for being English. He moved back to Britain, he says it’s far more civilised. No, I am native to Britain.

          Not heard of true blue before, you learn something new every day.

          • Sri Krishna Bhagawan

            I used to think Brits are pragmatic but alas not now days, something changed. I was thinking moving to Australia but there you go …

          • WTF

            Perhaps he is like many Muslims in the UK, he refused to integrate in OZ as I never suffered any racial abuse when I was over there. In fact I’ve never suffered racial abuse anywhere in the ME, South Africa, Europe, USA or down under.

            Perhaps its because I respect others customs and if its OZ, the USA or anywhere, if there’s a BBQ or party going on, I’ll join in with the locals.

  • hopporace

    Europe’s knackered, there’s no going back.

  • G B

    I believe a tipping point has been reached when most, other than the young indoctrinated, want to leave the EU. However, the British are not hopeful of this coming to fruition. Cameron is playing to a greater geopolitical master and has his instructions to stay in whatever the cost. This is the time when people could make the difference and I am hoping that we will be heard loud and clear, ‘we want out’ now and forever.

    • OmnipotentWizard

      “I believe a tipping point has been reached…” This is known by the technical term of “wishful thinking”.

  • Mary Ann

    Switzerland is one of the rich countries, what a nasty mean piece I can’t believe that taki represents the views of the decent people in Switzerland.

    • jenna rose

      Gosh how fabulously self righteous an wholly stupid are you ?

    • Leftism is a societal cancer

      Taki is Greek you moron.

  • SeaBeeUK

    So if Britain votes to leave then Britain, like Switzerland, will still be forced by the EU to accept refugees. Well that’s reason number one shot down in flames. Plenty of time to shoot down the rest.

    • Mary Ann

      Well Cameron has said no to taking the refugees from Mainland Europe, as is his right, he is taking our refugees from the Syrian camps. I think we should take more but that is because we have been interfering in the Middle east for the last 100 years, pity that when we were drawing lines on the desert we didn’t draw in a Kurdistan, might have saved a lot of trouble.

      • WTF

        But we haven’t been interfering in Syria have we ?

  • OmnipotentWizard

    By Austerity the article obviously means that we live in the wealthiest generation ever in the UK.

  • oliver cromwell

    do be fooled by crap we need to leave and now this is about the millions that died to give us freedom
    and yet here we are under the german jactboot think of your children and grandchildren we can start to
    clean up this country bring back standards just look around rubbish every were you look we need to
    get a grip and now 67% gov fig are not English born in jail all the one that we can we should deport
    no more Islamic schools this is England if people that come to live here don’t like it they have the choice
    to leave we have been to tollarnt with people that come here changing our laws so not to afend them
    well if theyn are affended they should go live in a country they like

    • OmnipotentWizard

      The 67% figure is for the US – I wonder if all your other “facts” are equally reliable?

      • jenna rose

        You attempting to imply you are astute enough to make your delusionals, er sorry mind up based on wholly all good facts, ?…. Allow me ? the UK national news media are now almost entirely feeding a narrative of pure lunacy, not a miss-used allocation of the word or description, but a goal set waaay back an now reached,… means what is future news is like the script for Eastenders, scientifically weaponised an a cheap attempting to reflect truth,…but you pick this guy apart you imbecile,

        • Mary Ann

          Pardon.

          • Todd Unctious

            I think it might be code. It will mean something to the person with the cipher.

        • OmnipotentWizard

          More tranquilisers are needed I think.

    • Mary Ann

      The EU was started with the intention of stopping war in Western Europe, even Churchill though it was a good idea, it worked.

      • jenna rose

        HAAAAAHAAAAA,…..WHAT a feckin moronic supposition, its hilarious you must b so far from reality I daren’t ask for a more detailed reasoning to the already stupid theoretical absurdity you probably actually think is a reasonable stand point an view ?

      • Tamerlane

        Churchill thought stopping war in Western Europe or the EU was a good idea? I assume it’s stopping war in Western Europe because the EU didn’t exist. You need to clarify your statement, doesn’t make sense, like most of what you write.

        (PS – the EU couldn’t have been started with the intention of stopping war in Western Europe because when it started in 1993 there was no war in Western Europe to stop, do stop typing rubbish).

        • Mary Ann

          I’m sorry you cannot understand my comment, it seems perfectly clear to me.

          • Tamerlane

            That doesn’t surprise me.

          • Mary Ann

            Try looking at the link that I have placed under the next comment down.

          • Tamerlane

            1.The EU didn’t exist until 1993. Churchill was dead by then. No link can alter that.
            2. Your link is a publicity website from the EU.
            3. Your link lists Churchill as an ‘inspiration’ for the EU, that is not the same as Churchill supporting the EU as a means to stop war in Western Europe which anyhow he could not do because in 1993 he was dead and there was no war in Western Europe to stop.

            Do you just make it up as you go along or have you been at the sauce with Jenna?

          • Todd Unctious

            The European Community has existed since 1958. Churchill was referring to the Treaty of Rome in 1957 and the ECSC in 1951. Maastricht merely introduced the concept of European citizenship and introduced the new name. A bit like when Motor racing Grand Prix became F1. Same racing, same venues, same drivers and cars,same history.
            Pedantry about 1993 is just another of your failed attempts to any pretence of a general knowledge.
            Everyone knows what Mary Ann and Sir Winston meant.

          • Tamerlane

            Well, that’s the whole point of the referendum Yvonne/Barry. Was it just a name change a la Grand Prix to F1, as you describe it, that would have been loved and adored by Churchill or was it a whole new organisation set up for the creation of a Euro super state that the likes of Churchill would have bitterly opposed?

            Glad to see you’re keeping up (vaguely) for once.

          • Todd Unctious

            You are so wide of the mark again. It is becoming a joke.

          • Tamerlane

            No. I’m absolutely spot on and you know it.

          • Todd Unctious

            It is because you have such doubt in your own hollow arguments that you spend hours trolling and sniping at those who debate from position of strength. You are a sad example of how the Tories seek to spread lies and misinformation.

          • Nos Feratu

            Or Liebour people, like you lefty Todd

          • Sharky71

            How many wars were there in Europe between 1945 and 1993?
            Where was the EU in the Balkan war(remind me when that was) and if your memory works- Ukraine?
            The Ukraine war is as a direct consequence of EU expansionism and meddling.
            Churchill would be turning in his grave listening to you.

          • WTF

            That’s a nice piece of propaganda including such items like the swinging sixties and the Beatles but WTF has that to do with the reasons for the EU. It was all about trade initially, then enlargement and finally the takeover of sovereignty of countries in the club. Any aspect preventing war was incidental rather than a core reason.

          • Todd Unctious

            All the creeps, opportunists and charlatans are jumping on the Out bandwagon. Bulgarian Boris is funny enough , but look at that arch chameleon Galloway cosying up to Farage. They all deserve each other. A rabble.

          • Tamerlane

            Nice try, we all know you’re a Galloway man.

          • Todd Unctious

            What? I have nothing but contempt for the charlatan. You refer to your single handed attempt to smear me as you dislike opposition and cannot articulate a genuine arguments. That is your problem . You need to bread more and assume less.

          • Tamerlane

            What does the lady do?

      • WTF

        Originally the EU started as the European Steel and Coal Community in 1951 to
        facilitate economic trade in Western Europe of those commodities.

        • Fritz123

          It had many sides. You can allways look at the bright side. This is indeed the whole official program. But the other side was more important and maybe it no longer is. Germany will not fight back anymore — except maybe in French Africa.

        • Todd Unctious

          To stop France and Germany squabbling over the Ruhr.

    • Todd Unctious

      One long ranty, barely literate sentence. Sums up the Kippers.
      What on Earth does “do be fooled by crap”mean?

      • GoJebus

        And you know for a fact do you that the author does not suffer from a cognitive or educational deficit? You might give them the benefit of the doubt before stunning them into silence with your perfectly pitched prose.

        • Todd Unctious

          Well if the author does suffer from a mental deficiency, either his carer came up with an appropriate name for an anti authority rebel or Mr and Mrs Cromwell decided some years ago to name their handicapped son, Oliver.

      • jenna rose

        Shut up you feckin idiot you think its not clear you hide from the msge knowing its true therefore making you know the CRAP you spent your life permeating, the lunatic supposedly free with god given rights twaddle, look all girly an stupid,…so I’ll attempt to make the quite obviously correct writer appear uneducated,, right?

        • Todd Unctious

          The obviously uneducated writer is incorrect. It is important to challenge blatant lies and incorrect statistics as the more sinister shillswho work for the 1% use the reputation of lies to promulgate falsehood.

      • Nos Feratu

        I think it sums up the nonentities like you, Todd Unctious and, in reply to your other crap about ‘1-in-8’ being foreign born in our prisons, even further shows how wrong and deluded you are – HM Prisons tell us HALF our prison population is foreign.

        • Todd Unctious

          When and where do HM Prisons tell us this? I’m sure the wider media would be keen to report such reliable figures.

    • GoJebus

      From government tables showing prisoner volumes in UK jails at Dec. 2014:

      All nationalities: Male: 80,863. Females: 3,828. Total: 84,691 (of which, 73% white)
      British nationals: Male: 70,385. Females: 3,321. Total: 73,706
      Foreign nationals: Male: 9,998. Females: 505. Total: 10,503
      Nationality not recorded: Male: 480. Female: 2. Total: 482

      That makes the percentage of non-British prisoners around 12.4%, with Polish, Irish and Jamaican criminals topping the tables. I understand that your figure is given for non-English rather than for non-British inmates, but I’m assuming that’s what you meant. Still an unacceptably high level, but not 67%.

      You will find plenty of support for some of what you are suggesting here, but you should go to primary sources for your facts or you risk undermining your credibility.

      You can review the data here: https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/offender-management-statistics-quarterly-july-to-september-2014

    • Sanctimony

      Your use of English is quite… Cromwellian …

      • Sandra Barwick

        No, I am sure Cromwell used punctuation now and then.

        • Sanctimony

          I am absolutely convinced that Cromwell would have permitted his famous quote: go…in the name of God, just go… to be addressed to that unelected cesspit in Brussels….

      • Mary Ann

        Judging by the line brakes it must have been typed on note pad or something else and then copied on here, I wonder why. Someone ought to tell Oliver that our Muslims don’t come from Europe, they come from the Middle East and the Commonwealth.

    • stupocalypse

      Yeah, literary standards have evidently dropped.

  • Billy

    The battle lines are drawn, Bojo still on the fence just earning a name for himself he will stay in , business people are ranting doom and gloom it is all about if’s and but’s and we have as much chance outside than in, we are still within the protection group if war is a danger and we have many friends in the outer world that we can trade with, even trade within Europe wont stop they need us as much if not more than we need them, Turkey will be in the market shortly how many would be terrorists will pop over here then in my opinion it’s time to get out we will never get another chance like this don’t let the scaremongers get to you, but whatever we do we should not listen to the likes of George Galloway he has got out from under his stone, shame on Farage for snuggling up this will damage Farage’s image.

    • Mary Ann

      The outers are doing as much scaremongering as the inners. Farage’s image is totally rusted.

      • Alisteir McLaurin

        Farage’s image is hardly in need of the buckets of Brasso that are needed by others.

  • David Young

    Britain has been on the road to self destruction for years. I just hope now we have a referendum on the corrupt EU, the British people see the light and vote OUT, remember in 1975 the British people got a vote on then the Common Market, but the British people were lied to, the vote was for “TRADE ONLY”, what your seeing now is far from trade only, we are being ruled from Brussels, have no control over our own affairs or borders, its about time the British people see the light with all this and vote OUT.

    • Fritz123

      But this is what the UK gouvernement would be to blame for. They agreed to everything and you allowed them to do so.

      • David Young

        Yes, you are correct, but the majority of the British people didn’t want this, we had a vote on Europe in 1975, Common Market, the vote was for TRADE ONLY, the British people thought this was a good thing and they voted yes, but the British people were lied to by the government, they said the vote was for trade only, but what you are seeing being a part of the EU, is gone far beyond trade only, Britain is now dictated to by Europe, Britain has no control over its own affairs, cannot make any decisions of its own, as its all controlled in Brussels, and i would say the majority of the British people doesn’t want this.

        • Fritz123

          The EU is a “living instrument” in the sense of Scalia and not what the “fathers of the constitution” said. They said “trade”, the common four liberties that are fine and perfect. And then the law givers in the EU expanded this from one Lissabon to the other. That would be fine with Scalia because the gouvernement of the UK agreed to everything!!!!!!

          My problem and maybe the problem of the Naysayers as well is that the law of the EU cannot be changed against the will of the EU-commission, the Bruxelles burocracy. Only the EU-commision can suggest new EU law.

          Besides that the biggest problem of the Maysayers may be that they dont know enough of the Geneva refugee law that is not the business of the EU but of the UK anyway however the vote goes out.

    • greggf

      Temail. only……………relian?

  • Ken

    Based on the headline to this article, I had crafted, in my mind, a wonderful riposte. However, having read the article, I realised the futility of posting it. Who on earth crafted the headline?

    • Mary Ann

      It is a trifle silly.

      • Bill Brinsmead

        It’s more than this. Inaccurate and wild exaggeration = extra strong horlicks

  • Paddy Nolan

    I think we’ll eventually have more than one referendum until the result becomes what our ‘leaders’ in Parliament wants it to become. It’s all a ruse.

    • Alisteir McLaurin

      Exactly. Brussels has form on this issue and we all know the tune Parliament dances to.

    • flydlbee

      Rather than resign, Cameron will go to the country offering us a choice between Corbyn or the EU. God Help Us!

  • AlexisWolf

    IDS/Boris/Farage!…I’d much prefer to trust our basic rights and security with the ‘faceless EU bureaucrats’ than the likes of these self serving nasty party spoilt boys.

    • flydlbee

      Quite, quite mad.

      • AlexisWolf

        Based on their track record it’s quite pragmatic actually.

  • green hackle

    Have you Noticed how the Unelected Filth in the EU Crap themselves whenever the Real People have a say, These Stinking Parasites could Not give a Toss about Working Class people, All that concerns the scumbags is how much they can Ponce in Wages, Expenses And Back Handers, And what School they will send there Chinless Kids to, And more important to them is What Mug will pay, When the Working Class of this Country Catch on to these Money grabbing Filth the Result of the Vote We Demanded Wont be as Close as these Unelected Filth think it will be..Buy, Buy, EU..

    • Sanctimony

      We’ll take that as a ‘leave’, then….?

      I completely endorse your sentiments…

  • James Smith

    This article here..http://jamessssmith.com/2015/04/04/john-woodman-an-epilogue/ is a real problem for cointelpro? We’ll see if this site here will allow the truth… won’t we? picture 21,281

  • Fritz123

    Lazy case law thinking against the systematic EU? This is maybe the biggest problem of the UK. They did accept the supremacy of EU law over UK law too easily then the “brothers in law” first encountered it.

    There were just fishes….

    Now they tell you how to deal with “thieves”. You would have to do it anyway as far as it is the result of the Geneva law. There is no other EU law in this case.

    The Geneva law is the business of the memberstates alone.

    To say “those are not refugees, but simple migrants” that nobody has to care about, sounds so “cruel” in our Latte Machiato world that no “leader” of any memberstate wants to say it. They fool their people with “The EU said so”. Nobody said so except the leaders of the memberstateas by not saying No!! This is everywhere the same. Frau Merkels “gouverns over Bruxelles” in the same way all the time and all do so allways. Nobody is responsible. Everybody only does what the EU is forcing him to do.

    The UK must say No!! now itself. That may be easier after the war in Syria but this is only the smallest part of the problem, if that war would make them “refugees”. Help yourself, you must do it anyway, by READING THE GENEVA LAW FIRST.

  • David Young

    The deal David Cameron negotiated in Brussels, and what he came out with is NOT set in stone, its has NOT been written into the EU constitution and therefore CAN be changed in Brussels if Britain is voted back into the EU, Cameron was also challenged by Boris Johnson in Westminster, Boris asked David Cameron a cluster of questions, about what powers we have back to make our own decision in Britain, and every answer Cameron gave Boris johnson was the word “SOME”, what a deal that was, i keep hearing David Cameron saying how much he loves Britain, and he only wants the best interests for Britain, if he loves Britain that much, he should take Britain OUT of the CORRUPT EU

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