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Angela Merkel will survive – but will the soul of post-war Germany?

29 October 2015

9:00 AM

29 October 2015

9:00 AM

As Angela Merkel approaches her tenth anniversary in power, Germans are talking about a possible Kanzlerinnendämmerung — a ‘twilight of the chancellors’. Anger is growing at Merkel’s handling of the migration crisis. Germany, which has only recently reconciled itself to the idea that it is a ‘country of immigration’, must now integrate vast numbers of asylum seekers, beginning with the million who are expected to arrive this year. At the same time, the country has been hit by two huge corruption scandals, involving Volkswagen and the DFB, the German football federation. The odds are that Merkel will survive — it’s hard to see at the moment who can replace her. But the unprecedented challenges she now faces threaten something more fundam-ental: Germany’s post-war identity.

Germans like to believe that they have moved beyond nationhood in the classical sense; that they have developed a post-national identity based on ‘constitutional patriotism’. In other words, Germany has developed a civic (as opposed to ethnic) nationalism based on a liberal political culture and embodied in the Basic Law, the Federal Republic’s constitution.

This identity was in large part informed by a sense of responsibility and contrition for the Nazi past and the Holocaust. As the leading advocate of the idea of ‘constitutional patriotism’, the philosopher Jürgen Habermas, once wrote: ‘In Germany it was only after Auschwitz — and in a sense only because of the shock of this moral catastrophe — that democracy began to take root.’ This implied that there was no sense of national identity available to Germany other than one based on the lessons of 1945.

In reality, German post-war identity is more complex than this account allows. For a long time the embryonic ‘post-nationalism’ that developed in the Federal Republic from the 1960s onwards co-existed uneasily with a rather regressive citizenship law based on the principle of ius sanguinis, or ‘citizenship by blood’, which went back to 1913. Until the law was reformed by Gerhard Schröder’s ‘red-green’ government in 2000, Germany continued to define itself in ethnic terms. Even second- or third-generation Turkish immigrants were officially ‘foreigners’. It has only been during the last decade or so that Germany has come around to the idea that it is a multi-ethnic society — and many Germans are still uneasy about that idea, as shown by the sudden emergence of the anti-immigrant movement Pegida. Germany is post–national more in theory than in practice.

Moreover, from the creation of the Federal Republic onwards, the pride in their country that many citizens felt often came not from the German constitution or from dealing with the Nazi past, but from economic success. In his 2008 book on German myth, Mythen der Deutschen, the political scientist Herfried Münkler wrote that, against the background of the post-war Wirtschaftswunder, or ‘economic miracle’, the Mercedes symbol had replaced the Iron Cross as a symbol of German national pride. Habermas also argued that, in the absence of alternative sources of national identity, a kind of economic nationalism had developed in Germany. For him, however, the symbol of ‘the new confidence of an economically successful nation’ was not automobiles but the Federal Republic’s currency — a phenomenon he called ‘Deutsche mark nationalism’.

Habermas wrote that essay in 1990. Soon after, what he saw as the new symbol of Germany identity was removed by the decision to replace the Deutsche mark with the euro. For a decade, Germany also struggled with the costs of reunifying east and west. But the German economy recovered and has become even more dependent on exports: according to the World Bank, exports grew as a share of GDP from 29 per cent in 1999 to 51 per cent in 2013. Many, including Merkel, refer to Germany as an ‘export nation’ — a term that suggests that exports are central not just to the German economy but also to national identity itself. If Habermas was right that the Deutsche mark had by 1990 become the most important symbol of German national identity, it now seems to have been replaced by exports — what I have called ‘export nationalism’.


While intellectuals identified with the idea of a ‘post-national’ identity or what has even been called a ‘Holocaust identity’, ordinary Germans instead took pride in the extraordinary economic success of the Federal Republic. The tension between these two versions of German post-war identity was expressed most clearly in the statement allegedly made by the Bavarian Christian Democrat leader Franz Josef Strauss, that ‘a people that has achieved the economic success that we have has a right to hear nothing more about Auschwitz’.

In this context, Merkel’s problems take on greater significance. The migration crisis is clearly the biggest and most important. When the scale of the influx of asylum seekers to Germany became apparent in September, Merkel told the German public: ‘We can do it!’

In effect, she was betting on Germany’s post-national identity — to which Germany’s relatively liberal asylum law, based on Article 16 of the Basic Law, has always been central. Merkel has long been perceived as adopting popular Social Democrat or Green policies, particularly on social and environmental issues, as a way of occupying the centre ground of German politics. Her apparent determination to integrate vast numbers of asylum seekers into German society won her new supporters on the left.

However, while Merkel’s supporters see her approach to the migration crisis as bold, her critics — mainly on the right — see it as reckless. There has already been an angry backlash from voters, and that could increase. Since the crisis began, the Eurosceptic and increasingly xenophobic Alternative für Deutschland (AfD), which had seemed to be falling apart after its founder, Bernd Lucke, left to form a new party in July, has been rising in the polls again. Meanwhile attacks on asylum seekers have taken place on an almost daily basis.

The resurgence of the AfD and the increasing frequency of attacks on asylum seekers illustrates how fragile Germany’s sense of identity remains. The Germans who turn up to show that they welcome asylum seekers usually outnumber those on the far right. But the danger remains that, by overreaching in response to the crisis, Merkel may discredit the idea of Germany as an ‘immigration country’ just as ordinary Germans were reconciling themselves to it.

This is also the significance of the football scandal. The 2006 World Cup was the moment when, in the popular imagination, the new multi-ethnic Germany came into being. For many Germans, especially on the left, what became known as the Sommermärchen, or ‘summer fairy tale’ (a play on Heinrich Heine’s 19th-century epic poem Deutschland. Ein Wintermärchen), was an important symbol — in a sense, the moment when the post-national identity became real. But Der Spiegel’s recent allegations that the DFB created a slush fund and paid kickbacks to Fifa officials in order to secure the World Cup have retrospectively tainted that moment. Many Germans now see the Sommermärchen itself as a fairy tale — a Sommermärchenmärchen. A great moment of German pride has been soured.

Meanwhile, the Volkswagen scandal threatens Germany’s identity as an export nation. Over the last decade, Germans have increasingly seen their export–driven economic success as a model for others — indeed, much of the response to the euro crisis has been an attempt to reshape other eurozone economies along German lines. But precisely because automobiles were the symbol of Germany’s Exportstärke, or export strength, the revelations that Volks-wagen cheated on emissions tests in the United States has tainted the success of German exports.

The scandal also broke at a time when other developments, such as the economic slowdown in China, had already illustrated the fragility of Germany’s export-dependent growth model. In short, Germany’s export success looks less sustainable than before.

Despite this series of questions surrounding Germany’s sense of national identity, Merkel is likely to survive for the time being. Much of the criticism of her has come from the right wing of her own party, the Christian Democrats, rather than the Social Democrats, her compliant coalition partner. But it remains hard to imagine the most plausible challenger, the 73-year-old finance minister Wolfgang Schäuble, deposing her. Merkel will probably make further concessions to her right-wing critics, and move on.

However, the extraordinary consensus which centred on Merkel and which has dominated German politics over the last decade seems to be unravelling. That consensus, around a synthesis of centre-right economic policies and centre-left social and environmental policies, was based on the idea of Germany being a country of immigrants, as well as an export nation. As the challenges that Merkel now faces put this sense of identity under increasing pressure, German politics may be about to become more contested and unpredictable, though this may be no bad thing for Europe. When the Merkel era does finally come to an end, it is not at all clear what kind of country she will leave behind.

Hans Kundnani is a senior Transatlantic fellow at the German Marshall Fund, and author of The Paradox of German Power.

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  • PLB

    Angela Merkel. The face of stupidity

    • Shazza

      Stupid not to realise that if you deliberately invite enormous numbers of third world islamic people into a first world civilised, secular country, in no time the said first world country will be transformed into a third world, islamic state.

    • thomasaikenhead

      So stupid that she has been in power for a decade and looks set to continue in office?

      • PLB

        ‘and looks set to continue in office?’ Really. The anger is mounting and the situation is still growing, is it not?

        • Paddy

          It is taking them a while but I think the Germans are beginning to realise the catastrophic error she has made for Germany and the whole of Europe.

          The problem is it is too late now. There is no putting the genie back in the bottle.

          I used to have respect for Merkel but hopefully Germany will get rid of her before she does any more damage.

      • WFB56

        Unfortunately, Government service or politics has not been the chosen path of Germany’s best for many decades. The result is that someone of so little consequence, Mrs. Merkel, can come to dominate a chamber of nobodies for a protracted period of time.

      • William_Brown

        Blair managed a couple of terms.

        • Clive

          Three

          • William_Brown

            I used the term ‘couple’ loosely/flippantly. Sorry, I’ll try to be more grammatically accurate from now on. ; )

  • Sue Smith

    Merkel WILL NOT survive. There are enemies baying for blood. Violence will soon be the order of the day in Germany as those who feel ‘entitled’ will feel ‘robbed’ of the booty they so comprehensively anticipated through the welcome mat being turned out.

    Stupid, stupid people end up with a stupid society. And it proves that you can have more degrees than a thermometer and be just a stupid as the gull down the road!!

    I’m grieving for all the fabulous German people I’ve met over the years of travelling to that formerly-wonderful country.

    • Shazza

      Not forgetting beautiful Heidelberg.

    • AtMyDeskToday

      I have to admit that there are cities in Germany now (I was there a few weeks ago) where you could easily be confused you were in downtown Kabul. I’ve not seen much mention in the news of the Muslim worker who was escorted off the premises a few days ago from the nuclear power station at Hunterston, for browsing bomb making websites on his laptop. Currently being investigated. Interesting times.

      • William_Brown

        You won’t read it or hear of in any of the popular press outlets. Social cohesion y’know.

      • mohdanga

        “I have to admit that there are cities in Germany now (I was there a few weeks ago) where you could easily be confused you were in downtown Kabul.” No need for surprise, after all, “Germany is a nation of immigrants”…or so the politicians and compliant press assure the German people.

  • Lady Magdalene

    She’s going to leave behind a country where social cohesion has been wrecked and where Muslim ghettos will be breeding a generation of extremists and terrorists……just like France and the UK.

    • RWJetzt

      Merkel is a former Communist, and to this day, she still works for the same international clique of nation-wreckers behind Bolshevism, not the German people.

      “You must understand, the leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia
      were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by
      ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians
      without a shred of human remorse. It cannot be overstated. Bolshevism
      committed the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most
      of the world is ignorant and uncaring about this enormous crime is proof
      that the global media is in the hands of the perpetrators.”
      -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

      • Clive

        So Lenin – Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov – born in Simbirsk on the Volga east of Moscow – was not Russian ? You sure ?

        • RWJetzt

          Lenin was Jewish, as were nearly all of the Communist ruling elites, and indeed, as nearly all of our present rulers are now. The Romanov family, which was brutally murdered in its entirety by the Bolsheviks, were Russian.

          • Damaris Tighe

            Lenin was ‘one quarter’ ‘Jewish. That quarter came from his mother’s father, described as an ‘apostate’. Stalin was a Christian Georgian.

          • Clive

            His mother’s father, Alexander Blank, converted to Russian Orthodox Christianity.

            Not that it’s relevant.

          • Damaris Tighe

            Quite. But thanks for the info.

          • RWJetzt

            You’re right, it’s completely irrelevant. An ethnic Jew is an ethnic Jew. He feels no attachment to his host nation, and in the vast majority of cases, works only in Jewish interests within these nations. Which includes maintaining the members of his tribe’s positions of power. It doesn’t matter whether you are an atheist Jew, an Orthodox Jew, or Hasidic. If you work in Jewish interests, you can rely on the support of other Jews, whether it’s writing favourable reviews of your work in the media or nepotistic promotion within a fellow Jew’s organisation. The Jews understand the importance of blood and ethnic kinship. They have worked hard to make Whites forget the very same.

            Tell me, since you seem so intent on cucking for the Jews, why do you think it’s right that 0.2% of the American population should be running the Federal Reserve and all of its media outlets? Is it something to do with them having been chosen by God, or is there another reason I’m missing?

          • Clive

            …why do you think it’s right that 0.2% of the American population should be running the Federal Reserve…

            Because the building’s probably not big enough to hold more.

            I don’t know what your personal ancestry is but I think you should study it in some depth to see how it is influencing your personal beliefs.

            Note at every stage – your ancestors’ ethnicity informs your beliefs. You cannot get away from that. Unless you want to become psychotic you must pursue the agenda of your ethnic heritage in every detail.

            …and if you find any Jews in your ancestry (there almost certainly are or you have not gone back far enough – keep going) then you are conspiring with them for some concealed agenda.

            Put some time into discovering what that agenda is.

          • RWJetzt

            …So apart from the wise-ass attempt to twist the argument and build a straw man, we can conclude that you are quite happy for 0.2%-0.4% of the population to own all American media outlets (and most world media), run the Federal Reserve, Bank of England, most large commercial banks, Hollywood, the music industry, Facebook, Google, and Youtube, amongst others?

            …You wouldn’t happen to have a dog in this fight, would you, old Clive, you ‘patriotic Brit’, you?

          • Clive

            Woohoo I’m part of a conspiracy – I always wanted to be but I never had the necessary conspiracy-person. Thank you.

            You mean a Jewish dog don’t you – a cut above the average

            You have not responded about your ancestry – which is crucial since you believe it supplies your beliefs – so why should I tell you anything about mine – espicially when I believe my ancestry has little bearing on my beliefs ?

          • mohdanga

            Ah, yes, “the Jews control the world’s media”…..would that be the same media that perpetually likens Israel’s self defence against Paletinian/Arab/Muslim attacks and aggression as ‘genocide’? That continually criticizes Israel? That gives us sob stories about the poor, oppressed Gazans?

          • RWJetzt

            Give me a media outlet that you believe is anti-Jewish, Jew, and I will show you the Jews involved in its production. This should be a fun and easy way to ‘show you’ that you perceiving the media as anti-Jewish (which is laughable by any stretch of the imagination anyway) doesn’t disprove the demonstrable Jewish control of any and all of them.

          • mohdanga

            Hmm, I’m a Jew because I don’t buy into the myth of Jewish media control. You’re the expert, though.
            Try the BBC for an anti-Israel outlet.

          • RWJetzt
          • RWJetzt

            Lenin had Jewish blood, and worked with other Jews in Jewish interests. Much as you’re only here to mislead, Damaris, I will leave a link for other readers to study just how Jewish the Bolshevik Revolution was, and perhaps also to ponder just why we never hear more about it, in our supposedly non-Jewish-controlled media. The Communist revolution in Russia was funded by Jacob Schiff, an ‘American’ Jewish capitalist. Funny, that, hmm, for a movement which claimed to be against capitalism and all it stood for, to link hands with the very embodiment of the ruling oppressive force, just because he was also Jewish? That’s ethnic organisation for you!

            Stalin was indeed, the goy front the powers that be love to place at the forefront of any such movement to absolve them from future blame – just as Merkel is now, in fact. However, the moment he began agitating against the Jews, realising their exact motivations and removing them from the positions of power, the Jewish interests in the Western world could begin propagandising using their media arms against the Soviet Union, and the Cold War began.

          • Damaris Tighe

            Many Jews were indeed involved in the Bolshevik revolution – because they were horribly persecuted by the Czarist regime & they were promised equality & freedom. They didn’t of course get it & many were disappointed.

          • Clive

            I believe that is the source of the Balfour Declaration.

            The UK govt was trying to get the Bolsheviks to stay in WW1

          • Hamburger

            Odd that Stalin went around purging Jews then.

          • mohdanga

            So the Cold War had nothing to do with a few million Soviet troops on the border of Western Europe, the Berlin blockade, the Berlin Wall, the advance of communism all over the world, the stealing of US/British atomic secrets by Soviet spies? Stalin was a ‘front man’. Good one. A guy that everyone was terrified of and was responsible for 30 million + deaths was actually a Jewish stooge!

          • RWJetzt

            Wait, wait, so what’s the official narrative here? The advance of communism all over the world – pushed by Jews of course, as their ideology to overthrow Gentile blood aristocracies – that was why ‘American’ and other ‘Western’ Jews began supporting the power struggle against Soviet Russia, rather than the fact their plaything had finally shaken loose of their oppressive rule? And if this advance of the devastatingly evil creed of Communism was such a worry for our poor, saintly Jews, then why in 1940 did we ally with this terrifying mass murderer in order to overthrow the greatest bastion Europe had against the ideology in National Socialist Germany? Oh yeah, I forgot, Hitler didn’t trust Jews at that point either!

          • blandings

            “That quarter came from his mother’s father,”

            So that’s what I have in common with Lenin.

          • Damaris Tighe

            I’m sure that’s all you have in common with him 🙂

          • blandings

            I fear that Jetzt will disagree with you and put my name down in his little book.

          • Damaris Tighe

            Let’s hope that he & his friends never achieve political power – then it’d be curtains for you if they followed the National Socialist blueprint.

          • Sunshine Sux

            Communists considered themselves atheists, it was one of the most important factors of communism to reject religion.
            this guy is just a broken record of jew hatred

          • Clive

            So all this stuff about communists being atheists is wrong ?

            You believe ethnicity trumps a person’s beliefs ?

            So if there is some jewish ancestry in your family tree, you are jewish above all and your thinking and beliefs are irrelevant ?

            I believe you are defining yourself as a racist – not the overused ludicrous racist of modern PC but the traditional ‘DNA uber alles’ racist.

            In my opinion, racism is stupid.

          • Damaris Tighe

            You’re on a hiding to nothing here. Your interlocutor will hold several mutually incompatible beliefs at the same time – all designed to demonstrate that the scapegoats are behind everything that he hates.

          • RWJetzt

            Ho, ho, ho! The chutzpah would have surprised me at one point, but I’ve come to expect it from your ilk. What ‘scapegoats’? You either like the current system or you don’t. I don’t like it. Your Hasbara game on this board relies on claiming you don’t like it either. Now, I’ve studied who holds the levers of power, and, hey presto, it’s overwhelmingly Jewish! In fact, one can find a powerful Jew or ten behind everything a social conservative wouldn’t want in a healthy society, from feminism to multiculturalism to ‘trans’-rights, you name it!

            Now, at this point, it’s you who must wrestle with the idea of mutually incompatible ‘beliefs’. How can you claim to oppose the genocide of the White peoples of Europe, while also protecting your kin and promoting the terror state of Israel? Why, you never mention the perpetrators’, or your, Jewish origins, of course! The leaders of Jewry thus become reducible to ‘leftists’, and you get to become a Jewish ‘conservative’, who – whatever they may want or claim to want – do not want the same thing as White conservatives, like me.

          • Clive

            Are you sure you’re white ? Have you checked your family tree ?

            Are you sure you’re not Jewish or – perish the thought on here – Muslim ?

            You have ethnically sourced beliefs. You must understand your ethnicity completely before you can speak on any topic.

            For instance, what about the German part of the Romanovs’ ancestry ?

          • blandings

            “do not want the same thing as White conservatives, like me.”

            Are you a white conservative?
            You sound more like an islamic headbanger to me.

          • Damaris Tighe

            Opposing the genocide of the peoples of Europe & supporting the nation state of the Jews come from the same political viewpoint. I have no problem with upholding all forms of national self-determination. It is you who are wrestling with the idea that someone can be both pro-Israel & pro-European national self-determination. It scrambles your prejudices & assumptions.

            The reference to ‘leftsts’ was yours & I simply repeated it.

          • RWJetzt

            ‘The reference to ‘leftists was yours & I simply repeated it.’

            Please quote me on that. I never use the term ‘leftist’, because I don’t believe in ‘left’ and ‘right’. Like you, I believe in the importance of familial kinship, and not in the contrivance of terms to describe one’s political beliefs, which in reality is a tool to turn the people against each other. If you were to use such terms for me, I would be a ‘far-right neo-Nazi white supremacist’, or what would have simply been called a ‘social conservative’ in the 1920s. You’ll understand, I steer well clear.

            I see one confused flock of people on the cucked ‘right’ being led into neoconservatism by Israeli warhawks and their media, and another on the ‘left’ being emotionally manipulated into supporting their own invasion and dispossession by another range of media. It is obvious to me that this is an ethnic battle, between a small clique of Talmudic Jewish elites and the despised White Gentile masses. Now, as a Jew, you may may not want to see the European peoples eradicated; this is true, but you have a natural attachment to your own people uber alles, which necessitates taking actions which further the destruction of the former.

            Unless Whites awaken to who is perpetrating this attempted genocide on them, nothing will change, and because people like you control the public discourse, all we hear is of the saintly nature of Jews, how they are our greatest ally, how the Muslims have magically barged the doors down and got in themselves, etc. The reality is quite the opposite. There are some Jews who seem genuine in their concern for the European peoples (though I find them difficult to trust, so few in number are they), but the majority have a concern only in preserving this regime, whether that be for fear of persecution and reprisals of their people (perhaps you would place yourself here), or for more malicious reasons (the supremacist ideology of the Talmud, promoting wars for Israel, or a genuine hatred for White gentiles). I will pass no judgement on you, other than what you write here is a barrier to the truth and the liberation of White Europe. You are an activist for your people. I am for mine. We will clash.

          • Damaris Tighe

            Apologies – I got you confused with your friend Codreanu.

          • Clive

            Yet still you don’t explain your own ethnicity which is crucial to your argument.

            That is because your argument is that ethnicity informs beliefs. That ethnicity forms people into groups that conspire against other groups.

            So how can anyone comprehend your position without knowing your ethnicity ?

            As long as you keep your ethnicity secret, you are not credible.

            That’s not actually the only reason but come up with the ethnicity and we’ll talk.

          • RWJetzt

            Again, more straw men, which is really all you have. Since you’re a very persistent type of weaselly troll, I’ll bite. My argument was that Jews act in their own ethnic interests, just as every people on the planet does, except for Whites. Whites are naturally very altruistic and have traditionally had trust-based societies which were also much more individualist than Jewry, which, as a foreign and often-resented power living amongst other nations, has had to develop a strong in-group altruism. The nature of the White race has been exploited by the hostile media, taking this natural altruism (mixed with a sprinkling of Christian theology) and individualism and turning everyone against each other politically, as well as into willing consumers, feeding into the machine of Jewish power. As more natural individualists than any other race of people, as well as being highly trusting of the other (and further weakened in this respect by Christianity) Whites have been extremely susceptible to the emotional manipulation of the anti-White press agitations. This operation would never have had such success with, say, the peoples of East Asia. They are the only people expressly forbidden to act in their own group’s self-interest, and they are forbidden by a hostile, foreign, occupying force. A force, peculiarly enough, that you argue for. The moment Whitey begins to talk about his own interests, malicious little trolls like you pop out of the woodwork and act like he can’t possibly have any.

            Now, do explain why you’re happy to be ruled over by this force, Clive, you passionate Brit, you.

          • Clive

            Still no description of your ancestry.

            How am I to believe anything you say unless you back it up with your ethnicity ? You believe that ethnicity governs beliefs therefore your ethnicity is crucial to any argument you make.

            For all I know, you could be ethnically the same as the very people you appear to criticise (or is that just a trick ?)

            So how is anyone to believe anything you say ?

          • Dr. Heath

            Is there any point engaging with to such people? I’m not sure, by the way, that you’ve got this person’s gender right. Best wishes.

          • Damaris Tighe

            All the best 🙂

  • Gilbert White

    Germans they are either gassing innocents or trying to be the world’s social workers.

    • AtMyDeskToday

      …or just being generally very nice people. Well, nicer than you anyway (which is a low barrier to get over).

      • William_Brown

        Ouch!…a bit Close To The Edge.

    • RWJetzt

      Gassing innocents? Harsh, harsh. Got any evidence?

  • How did a Stasi agent and an Agitation and Propaganda officer when a member of the East German ‘Free German Youth’…

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/new-book-suggests-angela-merkel-was-closer-to-communism-than-thought-a-899768.html

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/05/21/article-2328536-19EB9CC3000005DC-960_634x391.jpg

    …become Chancellor of Germany? This is how…

    The following is a discovery I made in April regarding the fake collapse of the USSR, and what that fraudulent collapse proves about the institutions of the West…

    When Soviet citizens were liberated from 74 years of Marxist horror on December 26, 1991 there were ZERO celebrations throughout the USSR, proving (1) the “collapse” of the USSR is a strategic ruse; and (2) the political parties of the West were already co-opted by Marxists,* otherwise the USSR (and East Bloc nations) couldn’t have gotten away with the ruse.

    ZERO celebrations, as the The Atlantic article inadvertently informs us…

    http://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2011/12/20-years-since-the-fall-of-the-soviet-union/100214/

    Notice, however, the Kremlin staged demonstrations that took place in Russia (and other Soviet republics) in the years immediately preceding the ‘collapse’, yet ZERO celebrations after the ‘collapse’!

    For more on this discovery see my blog…

    https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/

    Conclusion:

    The West will form new political parties where candidates are vetted for Marxist ideology, the use of the polygraph to be an important tool for such vetting. Then the West can finally liberate the globe of vanguard Communism.

    Note: In March of 1990 when East Germany held its first “free” election since 1933…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_German_general_election,_1990

    … there were over 338,000 Soviet soldiers still in East Germany…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_of_Soviet_Forces_in_Germany

    …proving that those “elections” were fake. October 3, 1990, witnessed German reunification. The West German side of Brandenburg Gate saw celebrations with fireworks. However, one won’t find pictures or film of even one celebration elsewhere throughout what was East Germany, because East Germany was occupied by the USSR, as was all of Germany now. For the next four years after the tearing down of the Berlin Wall, Soviet Armed Forces would remain in East Germany, ensuring that the new Communist regime was secure there before its total evacuation on August 31, 1994.

    ————————-

    * The failed socialist inspired and controlled pan-European revolutions that swept the continent in 1848(1) thought Marxists and socialists a powerful lesson, that lesson being they couldn’t win overtly,(2) so they adopted the tactic of infiltration of the West’s political parties/institutions. In the case of the United States…(continue reading at DNotice)…

    https://sites.google.com/site/deanjackson60/now-you-see-me-now-you-don-t

    Now you know why not one political party in the West requested verification of the collapse of the USSR, and the media failed to alert your attention to this fact, including the “alternative” media. When determining whether the “former” USSR is complying with arms control treaties, what does the United States do to confirm compliance? Right, the United States sends into the “former” USSR investigative teams to VERIFY compliance, yet when it’s the fate of the West that’s at stake should the collapse of the USSR be a ruse, what does the United States do to confirm the collapse? Nothing!

    The fraudulent “collapse” of the USSR (and East Bloc) couldn’t have been pulled off until both political parties in the United States (and political parties elsewhere in the West) were co-opted by Marxists, which explains why verification of the “collapse” was never undertaken by the West, such verification being (1) a natural administrative procedure (since the USSR wasn’t occupied by Western military forces); and (2) necessary for the survival of the West. Recall President Reagan’s favorite phrase, “Trust, but verify”.

    It gets worse–the “freed” Soviets and West also never (1) de-Communized the Soviet Armed Forces of its Communist Party officer corps, which was 90% officered by Communist Party members; and (2) arrested/de-mobilized the 6-million vigilantes that assisted the Soviet Union’s Ministry of the Interior and police control the populations of the larger cities during the period of “Perestroika” (1986-1991)!

    There can be no collapse of the USSR (or East Bloc nations) without…

    Verification, De-Communization and De-mobilization.

    The West never verified the collapse of the USSR because no collapse occurred, since if a real collapse had occurred the West would have verified it, since the survival of the West depends on verification. Conversely, this proves that the political parties of the West were co-opted by Marxists long before the fraudulent collapse of the USSR, since the survival of the West depends on verification.

    The above means that the so-called “War on Terror” is an operation being carried out by the Marxist co-opted governments of the West in alliance with the USSR and other Communist nations, the purpose being to (1) destroy the prominence of the West in the eyes of the world, where the West is seen (i) invading nations without cause; (ii) causing chaos around the globe; and (iii) killing over one-million civilians and boasting of torture; (2) close off non-Russian supplies of oil for export, thereby increasing the price of oil, the higher price allowing oil exporting Russia to maintain economic stability while she modernizes and increases her military forces; (3) destroy the United States Armed Forces via the never-ending “War on Terror”; the ultimate purpose of the aforementioned to (4) bring about the demise of the United States in the world, opening up a political void to be filled by a new pan-national entity composed of Europe and Russia (replacing the European Union), a union “From the Atlantic to Vladivostok”; which will (5) see the end of NATO.

    Now you know how Bolshevik Russia survived in 1917; how the West “lost” China to the Communists in 1949; why the Eisenhower administration turned a deaf ear to the anti-Communist Hungarian uprising in 1956; why the Eisenhower administration in 1959 was indifferent to the Castro brothers’ Communist fidelity, actually used the CIA to overthrow the Batista government; why the Nixon administration abandoned Taiwan for Communist China, and signed treaties/provided economic aid to the USSR; why the Nixon administration refused to tell the American People that over 50% of North Vietnamese NVA regiments were actually Chinese People’s Liberation Army soldiers (attired in NVA uniforms, and proving that the Sino/Soviet Split was a ruse, as KGB defector Major Anatoliy Golitsyn told the West back in 1962), thereby (1) ensuring the Vietnam War would be lost; (2) destroying the prominence of the United States abroad and at home; (3) breeding distrust between the American people and their government; and (4) securing Communist victories in Southeast Asia. Working in the background within the political parties of the United States and Great Britain were Marxist agents doing their best to (1) ensure the survival of Communist nations when they popped up; and (2) sabotage any policies that would bring down a Communist nation. That’s why after the fake collapses of the East Bloc nations and USSR there was no mandatory Western verification process to ensure the Communists weren’t still in control.

    • Henry Turner

      To be fair, if you wanted to be ‘anyone’ in East Germany you had to take part in such things.

      • WFB56

        So that’s all right then, principle be damned if ambition requires us to do something we can always say we were just “following orders”?

        • AtMyDeskToday

          Do keep in mind that Dean is a well know conspiracy theorist on this site. He is rumoured to live a cave in the appalachians, cradling his M16 and writing about Y2K conspiracies.

          • “Do keep in mind that Dean is a well know conspiracy theorist on this site.”

            Do keep in mind that The Spectator is a well know Marxist co-opted conspiracy site that refuses to inform readers of the following conspiracy FACTS…

            ‘When Soviet citizens were liberated from up to 74 years of horrific Marxist oppression on December 26, 1991 there were ZERO celebrations throughout the USSR, proving (1) the ‘collapse’ of the USSR is a strategic ruse; and (2) the political parties of the West were already co-opted by Marxists, otherwise the USSR (and East Bloc nations) couldn’t have gotten away with the ruse.’

            …and…

            ‘…the ‘freed’ Soviets and West also never (1) de-Communized the Soviet Armed Forces of its Communist Party officer corps, which was 90% officered by Communist Party members; and (2) arrested/de-mobilized the 6-million vigilantes that assisted the Soviet Union’s Ministry of the Interior and police control the populations of the larger cities during the period of ‘Perestroika’ (1986-1991)!’

            …and…

            ‘There can be no collapse of the USSR (or East Bloc nations) without…

            Verification, De-Communization and De-mobilization.’

            …and…

            ‘The West never verified the collapse of the USSR because no collapse occurred, since if a real collapse had occurred the West would have verified it, since the survival of the West depends on verification. Conversely, this proves that the political parties of the West were co-opted by Marxists long before the fraudulent collapse of the USSR, since the survival of the West depends on verification.’

          • William_Brown

            Indeed. I just wish he’d cut & paste something different every now and then. His usual ‘Ctrl V’ is rather tedious.

        • Henry Turner

          I’m not saying it demonstrates integrity to the degree of 100%, Communism is an abomination, but it’s at least understandable why people joined the party/got involved in youth programmes. If you lived in the DDR, a nation that, when she was young, seemed like it wasn’t going anywhere, one did what they had to if they wanted to do well.

          Just because you live in a morally bankrupt society doesn’t mean you can sell out your own future (or that of your family’s) through resistance based on some abstract principles. I’d like to think that I wouldn’t ‘sell out’ to it, but I can’t expect that of others.

          • “I’m not saying it demonstrates integrity to the degree of 100%, Communism is an abomination, but it’s at least understandable why people joined the party/got involved in youth programmes.”

            That’s not the issue. The issue is is that Angela Merkel’s Quisling past has been covered up by the Marxist co-opted governments of the West! The governments of the West have proven their Marxist orientation in this cover-up, since a non-Marxist Western political establishment would have never placed the Quisling Anglea Merkel into political office, meaning that Angela Merkel was not just a Quisling of the East German Communists, but a committed Marxist, since the Marxist co-opted Western establishment would never make a mere Quisling Chancellor of Germany.

        • “So that’s all right then, principle be damned if ambition requires us to do something we can always say we were just “following orders”?”

          Have you noticed what the Marxist damage control operatives are refusing to discuss? The fact that the West has covered up Angela Merkel’s Quisling past. The only reason the West would want to cover that up is because the political establishment of the West was long ago co-opted by Marxists, otherwise Angela Merkel would be just another ostracized Quisling from the East Germany era.

      • “To be fair, if you wanted to be ‘anyone’ in East Germany you had to take part in such things.”

        Yes, they’re called Quislings and are identified as such, not protected by the Marxist-co-opted politicians of the West.

    • Clive

      A Stasi agent ? The Spiegel piece you cite says
      …The book adds that Merkel and her father refused all attempts by the Ministry for State Security or Stasi, the feared secret police, to recruit them as informants…

      …And Spiegel’s own East German-born staff member is unimpressed by the book :
      …According to SPIEGEL journalist Stefan Berg, the book hasn’t really shed any new light on the first 35 years of Merkel’s life. Instead, he writes, it has thrown a fresh veil over it — a veil of supposed conspiracy. “A disproportionate amount of mistrust runs through this book,” writes Berg, who was born in East Berlin in 1964. “While Merkel’s own declarations are eagerly called into question, intelligence reports are taken at face value and Socialist phrases are taken more seriously than they were in GDR times.”…

      • “The book adds that Merkel and her father refused all attempts by the Ministry for State Security or Stasi, the feared secret police, to recruit them as informants.”

        And the media has reported that there was a ‘collapse’ of the USSR in 1991, when in fact there wasn’t…

        (1) The Emblem of the Soviet Union atop the Russian State Duma building…

        http://footage.framepool.com/shotimg/qf/544004264-duma-kremlin-palace-russian-flag-red-square.jpg

        Notice that the State Emblem of the Soviet Union is illuminated at night for clear viewing by Muscovites…

        http://www.shutterstock.com/video/clip-3345878-stock-footage-street-traffic-on-okhotny-ryad-and-state-duma-at-evening-in-moscow.html

        (2) High atop the facade of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs building, the State Emblem of the Soviet Union is Illuminated with pinpoint precision at night…

        http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4149/5168126126_02c5505a79_m.jpg

        • Clive

          Struggling here – where’s the emblem of the Soviet Union ?

          • “Struggling here – where’s the emblem of the Soviet Union ?”

            http://footage.framepool.com/shotimg/qf/544004264-duma-kremlin-palace-russian-flag-red-square.jpg

            If you don’t know what the Emblem of the Soviet Union looks like, then why are you replying?

          • Clive

            Nope, still struggling – where’s the emblem of the Soviet Union ?

          • “Nope, still struggling – where’s the emblem of the Soviet Union ?”

            Oh, i get it! You’re giving me an assist! Clever!

            Here’s another Moscow government building that refuses to de-Communize…

            (3) The State Emblem of the Soviet Union atop the Russian Ministry of Defense building, including other Soviet era iconography…

            http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/51802114.jpg

          • Clive

            Nope, not giving you an assist (I don’t think so but I am not up on conspiracy jargon) – I just don’t know what you’re talking about it in the picture

          • “I don’t think so but I am not up on conspiracy jargon”

            The continued use of the Emblem of the Soviet atop government buildings in Moscow and other cities throughout Russia is not “conspiracy jargon”! And if you don’t know what it proves, then that proves your abysmal ignorance, since the USSR was supposed to have been de-Communized back in the early 1990s.

          • Clive

            I confess to my abysmal ignorance if you will explain what emblem of the Soviet Union is in the picture

          • “I confess to my abysmal ignorance if you will explain what emblem of the Soviet Union is in the picture”

            Headquarters of the Russian Federal Security Service, and the Soviet Union’s security service, the KGB…

            https://worldsgreatesttravelblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/russia-1021.jpg

            Note the State Emblem of the Soviet Union still over the main door (click picture to enlarge), and hammer and sickle logo still above the clock. And here’s the Lubyanka at nightime…

            http://vindenes.nu/gallery/wp-content/gallery/m419.jpg

            Note illumination of hammer & sickle, and enhanced illumination of area above the main door, where the office of the KGB chief was located (third floor).

          • Clive

            The KGB does not exist any more – much to Vladimir’s disgust I’m sure – but why are you showing a picture of it ?

            Have you recently been on a holiday there ? I’m not sure these comments are the place for holiday snaps although I don’t mind.

            Are you at one of the windows ?

          • The province of Kaliningrad Oblast is still named after Marxist “hero” Mikhail Kalinin, nominal head of the USSR, 1922-1946…

            http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/Kaliningrad_in_Russia.svg/1181px-Kaliningrad_in_Russia.svg.png

          • Clive

            I believe the County of Buckingham is named at least partly after the Duke of Buckingham who may well have murdered the princes in the tower.

            I haven’t been on holiday there or I’d exchange snaps, sorry.

          • “I haven’t been on holiday there or I’d exchange snaps, sorry.”

            This time of year Leningrad Oblast would make a diverting vacation, don’t you think? Is that LENINGRAD I wrote?! Oh my God, you know what that proves, huh? It proves that the USSR collapsed in late 1991, according to your logic…

            The province of Leningrad Oblast is still named in honor of the great Russian persecutor (and Marxist “hero”), who despised and cruelly stamped out Russian culture…

            http://www.russianlessons.net/russia/leningrad/russia-leningrad.gif

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leningrad_Oblast

          • Clive

            We got all kinds of places named after people who stamped out all sorts of bits of culture and massacred people and all that. We’ve got ole Marx in Highgate as well, although he came up short on the cruel stamping – you might disagree.

            You should come and take pictures of them

          • “We got all kinds of places named after people who stamped out all sorts of bits of culture and massacred people and all that.”

            Why wouldn’t you? They’re the “heroes” of the English, but you won’t find any statues to English kings left in Ireland. They were naturally taken down. Neither will you find the Crown emblem atop government buildings in Ireland nor the United States. But throughout Russia not ONE statue to Lenin has been destroyed…

            ‘Almost every town in Russia has a prominent statue of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, father of the October Revolution, but few have the historic significance of this vast monument in front of the Finland Railway Station. It stands roughly on the spot where Lenin, straight off the train that returned him from exile, mounted an armoured car to give an impassioned speech to a crowd of welcoming workers, soldiers and sailors, marking the beginning of his personal involvement in the tumultuous events of 1917.’

            https://web.archive.org/web/20130926033219/http://www.saint-petersburg.com/monuments/ploshchad-lenina/

            Boy, it’s quite an honor that there’s just one person on this planet who pays attention to his environment!

          • Clive

            Outside the House of Commons there’a a statue of Oliver Cromwell.

            We are a monarchy. Oliver Cromwell overthrew the monarchy.

            It’s just no hard feelings, you know ?

            The statue of justice in Dublin wears no blindfold – it is a relict of its time as part of Britain – although similar British statues have blindfolds. It’s still there

            Moving statuary around can have political significance but it’s limited

          • “Outside the House of Commons there’a a statue of Oliver Cromwell.”

            Of course, the great protector of Parliament! Cromwell defeated King Charles I, who attempted to usurp the rights Englishmen had fought so hard and long to acquire. There would be no Parliament without Cromwell. Monarchist absolutism would have returned to England/UK.

          • Clive

            Who overthrew the monarchy and created a military dictatorship in England which lasted until he died.

            Yet there his statue still is despite the Restoration of the Monarchy

          • “Who overthrew the monarchy and created a military dictatorship in England which lasted until he died.”

            Back to school with you–Cromwell formed a Republic, and without him Parliamentary government would have been lost.

          • Clive

            It was actually styled a ‘Commonwealth’ but regardless of the name it was a military dictatorship.

            He certainly did not brook interference from Parliament.

          • “He certainly did not brook interference from Parliament.”

            He was the savior of Parliament nonetheless.

          • Clive

            Oliver Cromwell was a great man, no question.

            Nonetheless, he did not ‘save’ Parliament. There was never any question of Parliament ceasing to exist or even having its powers much altered.

            He really won a war of one group of nobility against another. It went to regicide when Charles I showed too much unreliability. He believed that his divine right included the right to say anything he had to to achieve what he wanted.

            Incidentally, in case your conspiracies embrace others here – he was also strongly instrumental in letting the Jews officially back into England nearly four centuries after their expulsion in 1290.

          • “Nonetheless, he did not ‘save’ Parliament. There was never any question of Parliament ceasing to exist or even having its powers much altered.”

            ‘He [Charles I] scorned a Petition of Rights and said that Parliament had no rights, merely privileges granted by the Crown! The King did not seem to consider himself to be bound by any promise nor subject to any law.’

            http://reformationsa.org/index.php/history/99-oliver-cromwell-the-protector

          • Clive

            http://www.parliament.uk/about/living-heritage/evolutionofparliament/parliamentaryauthority/civilwar/overview/petition-of-right/
            As a precondition to granting any future taxes, in 1628 Parliament forced the King to assent to the Petition of Right. This asked for a settlement of Parliament’s complaints against the King’s non-parliamentary taxation and imprisonments without trial, plus the unlawfulness of martial law and forced billets. However, the King ensured that the Petition was enrolled in such a way that there would be doubts about its force as law: it was granted by his grace, rather than ‘of right’.

            The English Civil War was about who held supreme constitutional power – monarch or parliament. There was never any question of Parliament ceasing to exist but the monarchy did cease to exist for a few years.

            Here is Cromwell’s speech dismissing the Rump parliament, so that you can see his view of that body:
            http://www.britpolitics.co.uk/speeches-oliver-cromwell-long-parliament
            It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.

            Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter’d your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?

            Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defil’d this sacred place, and turn’d the Lord’s temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress’d, are yourselves gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors.

            In the name of God, go!

            That last line was used on Chamberlain at the time of WW2.

          • What’s your point?

            Cromwell’s statue resides outside Parliament because at least 50% of MPs voted for it; Cromwell was their ‘hero’. In the case of the USSR, 5% of the population were Communist Party members who supported the erection of statues to Marxist ‘heroes’, statues that can only still be standing because Marxists never left power in the USSR.

          • Clive

            You are citing Soviet statuary and emblems as evidence that Russia has never moved on from the Soviet Union.

            I would say it is partly sentimentality (like Cromwell); partly defiance against places like the Baltic states which have made political points out of destroying Russian memorials and partly just lack of money to do away with these symbols.

            I would also say that people like Vladimir Putin would like a totalitarian system back but not the Soviet Union because it never worked economically. That does not stop him publicly partially supporting the USSR because it goes down well politically – particularly with old Stalinist people. It makes Russia look more powerful than it really is.

            Conspiracy theories are invariably undermined by the stupidity of humanity. When in doubt, go for the simple explanation. The conspiracy theory is never the simple explanation.

          • “You are citing Soviet statuary and emblems as evidence that Russia has never moved on from the Soviet Union.”

            Of course, otherwise the vulgar and offending statues (and vulgar/offending Marxist emblems atop government buildings illuminated at night) would have been torn down in 1991! Are you really that cognitively impeded or are you a Marxist performing the usual abysmal attempt at damage control?

          • Clive

            Here it is again:
            i>I would say it is partly sentimentality (like Cromwell); partly defiance against places like the Baltic states which have made political points out of destroying Russian memorials and partly just lack of money to do away with these symbols.

            I would also say that people like Vladimir Putin would like a totalitarian system back but not the Soviet Union because it never worked economically. That does not stop him publicly partially supporting the USSR because it goes down well politically – particularly with old Stalinist people. It makes Russia look more powerful than it really is.

            As I said, the simple explanation is best.

          • “and partly just lack of money to do away with these symbols.”

            What money? They were supposed to have been TORN down by the people in 1991! And those statues to Marxist ‘heroes’ cost money for upkeep, including the restoration costs when the statues are blown up or covered in paint….

            https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTokV2evbvTCVsQ5Ki43xBFeCuD44mYz0rxVZL7lGUr0FF7y0DnQw

          • Clive

            You ignored the other reasons.

            Most people just have other things on their minds than old statues.

          • “Most people just have other things on their minds than old statues.”

            Each time a Russian Orthodox walks past a statue to a Marxist ‘hero’ rubs salt into the historical wounds.

          • Clive

            Maybe, although I doubt they even notice the statues they have been there so long.

            That person would still have to organise a whole group of people with tools to bring down the statue. A lot of statues were removed https://espionart.wordpress.com/2014/11/18/recommended-moscows-graveyard-for-soviet-monuments/ but for the rest, I believe they just could not be bothered. Particularly given the other reasons I cited.

          • “Maybe, although I doubt they even notice the statues they have been there so long.”

            Of course they notice the statues. They represent up to 74-years of horrific Marxist tyranny against Russian culture and Orthodoxy! The statues wouldn’t survive one day unless Marxists are still in control of Russia. And there would be no Soviet emblems atop government buildings either, let alone Soviet emblems illuminated at night!

          • Clive

            We disagree.

            You are suggesting a level of political/social awareness in a population which I do not believe exists

          • “You are suggesting a level of political/social awareness…”

            Of course, in 1991 Russians lived the Marxist terror everyday for up to 74 years! And once again, there can’t still exist Soviet emblems atop government buildings, let alone having those emblems illuminated at night!

          • Clive

            What Marxist terror ?

            After Stalin, there was no terror

          • “After Stalin, there was no terror”

            Religious persecution…

            ‘The anti-religious campaign of the Khrushchev era began in 1959, coinciding with the twenty first Party Congress in the same year. It was carried out by mass closures of churches[2][3](reducing the number from 22,000 in 1959[4] to 13,008 in 1960 and to 7,873 by 1965[5]), monasteries, and convents, as well as of the still-existing seminaries (pastoral courses would be banned in general). The campaign also included a restriction of parental rights for teaching religion to their children, a ban on the presence of children at church services (beginning in 1961 with the Baptists and then extended to the Orthodox in 1963), and a ban on administration of the Eucharist to children over the age of four. Khrushchev additionally banned all services held outside of church walls, renewed enforcement of the 1929 legislation banning pilgrimages, and recorded the personal identities of all adults requesting church baptisms, weddings orfunerals.[6] He also disallowed the ringing of church bells and services in daytime in some rural settings from May to the end of October under the pretext of field work requirements.[7] Non-fulfillment of these regulations by clergy would lead to disallowance of state registration for them (which meant they could no longer do any pastoral work or liturgy at all, without special state permission). The state carried out forced retirement, arrests and prison sentences to clergymen who criticized atheism[7] or the anti-religious campaign, who conducted Christian charity or who in made religion popular by personal example.[7]

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USSR_anti-

            religious_campaign_(1958%E2%80%9364)

            Labor camps: Perm-36…

            ‘In 1972 the camp was converted into the harshest political camp of the country and operated till it closed in 1988.’

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perm-36

            Political Abuse of Soviet Psychiatry…

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union

          • Clive

            The problem with that is that some of it has no source, much of it precedes Stalin and that which follows Stalin deals with anti-religious activity.

            You are also citing Soviet relicts like the Bulgarians as though they should be a surprise. The USA following the American Revolution had a large body of sympathy for the British Crown. It’s hardly surprising, it was how they had lived their lives.

            You will have to answer specifically and not with a lot of fog as above – what was the ‘terror’, implying a French Revolution style population-wide terror which would have implied hatred of all statuary – which followed after Stalin ?

            You might also try to explain why the former Soviet Union is so popular in modern Russia in light of such a terror.

          • “The USA following the American Revolution had a large body of sympathy for the British Crown.”

            Huh? Royalists were hounded into Canada. ‘After Great Britain was defeated by the Americans and the French at Yorktown, the most active Loyalists were no longer welcome in the United States, and sought homes elsewhere in British Empire. About 80%–90% of the Loyalists remained in the United States and enjoyed full citizenship there. Historians have estimated that between 15 and 20 percent of the white population of the colonies were Loyalists, or about 500,000 men, women and children.[1]

            Jasanoff (2012) has issued new estimates of how many Loyalists departed the U.S. She calculates 60,000 whites in total. The majority of them—about 33,000—went to New Brunswick and Nova Scotia, about 6600 went to Quebec, 2,000 to Prince Edward Island. About 5000 white Loyalists went to Florida, bringing along their slaves who numbered about 6500. About 13,000 went to Britain (and 5000 free blacks). The 60,000 or-so white departures represented about 10% of the Loyalist element.[2]’

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_the_Loyalists

            Royalists weren’t elected president of the United States after the revolution, nor governors of states! And royal emblems were torn down from government buildings.

          • “The USA following the American Revolution had a large body of sympathy for the British Crown.”

            Huh? Royalists were hounded into Canada. ‘After Great Britain was defeated by the Americans and the French at Yorktown, the most active Loyalists were no longer welcome in the United States, and sought homes elsewhere in British Empire. About 80%–90% of the Loyalists remained in the United States and enjoyed full citizenship there. Historians have estimated that between 15 and 20 percent of the white population of the colonies were Loyalists, or about 500,000 men, women and children.[1]

            Jasanoff (2012) has issued new estimates of how many Loyalists departed the U.S. She calculates 60,000 whites in total. The majority of them—about 33,000—went to New Brunswick and Nova Scotia, about 6600 went to Quebec, 2,000 to Prince Edward Island. About 5000 white Loyalists went to Florida, bringing along their slaves who numbered about 6500. About 13,000 went to Britain (and 5000 free blacks). The 60,000 or-so white departures represented about 10% of the Loyalist element.[2]’

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_the_Loyalists

            Royalists weren’t elected president of the United States after the revolution, nor governors of states! And royal emblems were torn down from government buildings, royal statues toppled. The Anglican Church became the Episcopal Church. In the ‘former’ USSR, however, the 5% of the population who were Communist Party members, oppressing the 95% of the population, are still in power, including the KGB agent Quislings that control the religious institutions, proving that no collapse of the USSR took place.

            Marxists don’t collapse their governments, they feign collapse, and could only feign collapse thanks to an already Marxist co-opted West, otherwise the West would have quickly identified the fraudulent collapse ruse when the West VERIFIED the collapse, a verification process that never took place even though the survival of the West depends on verification should the collapse be a lie. The fact that the West was indifferent to verifying the collapse of the USSR when the fate of the West depends on verification should the ‘collapse’ be a ruse, informs us (1) that the West was already co-opted by Marxists; and (2) the Marxist co-opted West is covering for the USSR collapse operation.

            When the Nationalist South African government fell in 1994 did South Africa elect back into power the Nationalist Party? Of course not! Was the South African military de-Afrikanized? Of course. How about Russia, was it’s military de-Communized? No, the Russian military remains under the control of Marxist officers, as my blog (see my initial comment above) illustrates.

            There can be no collapse of the USSR when the Russian military is still controlled by Marxists.

            “You will have to answer specifically and not with a lot of fog as above – what was the ‘terror’,”

            As I noted, terror is ending up in a labor camp or psychiatric institution for practicing one’s religion or seeking an end to Marxist tyranny.

          • Clive

            On the Loyalism point – yes, that means about 80% of the Loyalists remained in the USA. That means a large body of citizens of the USA did not agree with what had just happened to the government there. They would have to comply with it but that would not change their culture.

            On Marxism:
            It is not Marxism that is tyrannical. It is totalitarianism. There have been Marxist governments in Kerala, for instance, which have been successful and not totalitarian.

            You seem to be railing about the continuation of a culture. Of course cultures continue. You could only wipe them out – however unpleasant they were – by a different kind of totalitarianism. Why would you want to replace one kind of totalitarianism with another ?

            You also seem to be particularly upset about the persecution of the Russian Orthodox church. It was persecuted. The Jews actually have more to be upset about since they were persecuted under the Tsar and again under communism.

            None of this changes the underlying culture of the Russian people. The Russian Orthodox church was never really wiped out because people still wanted it. Neither was the Jewish community wiped out although many went to Israel with Anatoly Sharansky.

            You cannot say that just because a culture continues its form of government is the same. The Russian Orthodox church would not affect the government and people living on collective farms and practising communism need not affect the government. Nor need monuments and statues.

            In the Reformation in England, idolatry was seen as unholy and many statues were defaced (literally in many cases) but by no means all of them and for the most part, the people and their culture moved at a different rate. Just because the government said they should be Anglican does not mean they all were any more than they could all be forced to be Catholic before that.

          • “On the Loyalism point – yes, that means about 80% of the Loyalists remained in the USA. That means a large body of citizens of the USA did not agree with what had just happened to the government there.”

            So? Before December 26, 1991 (the day of the ‘collapse’ of the USSR) 95% of Russians were on the receiving side of oppression by the 5% of the population that was the controlling Communist Party of the USSR. That means it was the anti-Communists that now called the shots, not the Communists.You’re making my point!

          • Roger Hudson

            What happened to Cromwell’s head that used to be on a stake over Whitehall.
            Cromwell, a man executed for high treason, has a statue?

          • Roger Hudson

            A pre-revolutionary office block.

          • “A pre-revolutionary office block.”

            The Lubyanka is a post revolutionary government office block, replete with restored Emblem of the Soviet Union over the main door, including hammer & sickle emblem above the clock, which emblem is illuminated at night.

    • William_Brown

      Ah, Dean – As entertaining as usual, with your cut n’ paste ramblings.

      • “Ah, Dean – As entertaining as usual, with your cut n’ paste ramblings.”

        Thanks, Comrade!

  • Many of us thought that the world cup in Germany was a sign (not a cause) that Germany had become a “normal” country at last. Showing the flag of the Federal Republic (a flag that had never been carried into war), which just a few years before would have been interpreted by many as an act of unacceptable nationalist chauvinism, became acceptable for the Germans and did not worry anybody else either. Most of those cheering on their excellent team were at least two Generations removed from any active Nazis.
    Mrs. Merkel’s totally otherworldly invitation to any migrants who could pay and walk their way up to and across the German border (and as such it was understood by millions, and she made no attempt to correct the Impression, if it was not meant as such) could not have been made by the leader of any “normal” country. For Mrs. Merkel, contrition and atonement are still powerful driving forces.
    Her belief that she has the right to impose the consequences of her guilt-driven thought processes on all other German’s and on all the peoples of the EU is other worldly in a different way. Perhaps from the other world of the communist GDR, in which her political career began.
    Her failure to actually offer real help to the victims of jihadist fascism in Iraq and Syria by taking steps to airlift them out of the war zones, while issuing an open invitation to anybody wealthy enough to pay people-smugglers and healthy enough to walk very long distances and to pose a threat to overwhelmed border police, was perhaps just part of the normal way of today’s politicians, interested only in image and perceptions, and not in actual consequences.
    Germany and Europe will not be able to cope well with the arrival of millions of mostly young men, many of whom will doubtlessly soon be wanting to bring their often rather large families, all of whom have learned that they can get what they want in Europe by bullying and cajoling in total contempt of any law that may apply for the natives, and most of whom have no skills whatsoever that can be gainfully employed in the economies of Europe, in the southern parts of which millions of young people are already unemployed.
    Added to this, there is the problem that the store of Germany’s wealth is the euro, a currency shared with a number of insolvent states and only propped up by the indebtedness of current generations of Germans (who, so far, have been remarkably meek and compliant in this process), and indeed indebtedness of future generations.
    Most Germans working today know that on retirement, money will be short, because pension funds (having been plundered by successive governments for misappropriation to other political schemes) are stretched. It is hard to believe that most of these people will be happy to see vast sums of money spent on invasive migrants. Health care costs, already very high in Germany, will also doubtlessly rise as those in work and pensions have to carry the costs for those who are not.
    In very tame world of consensus politics that still prevails among the political elite in Germany (with the occasional moderate exception of Mr. Seehofer of Bavaria), she might well survive for a while. But her extremism has smashed that political consensus among the wider population.
    Germany is now internally strained, its social stability weakend. So much so, that any crisis (e.g. with the euro) will be magnified greatly when it comes. This will be Mrs. Merkel’s legacy, as the euro was her mentor’s Mr. Kohl’s.

    • Planet Vague

      You write as if Germany was experiencing issues in a similar way as we are in Britain. This is of course largely an act of one-dimensional fabrication on your behalf. There is no failure in the German pension system, the way it is funded, the affordability of it. What you describe is our system in Britain. There is no failure in German healthcare, a system far superior to our own system stiffled by our own political dogma. What you describe is the issues we face in Britain. There are no fundamental failings in German immigration policy. Since the end of WWII, Germany has successfully integrated millions of immigrants from Hungary, todays Poland, Italy, Greece, the former Yugoslavia, Turkey and then Russia into their society. These immigrants are largely European immigrants as you will care to note. Of course there are failings, of course there are clashes amongst newcomers, naturally there is struggle between groupings trying to assert themselves. The answer to these issues are not further division, exclusion or cold-heartedness, it’s the opposite – here and there – which is the only acceptable comparison to make from my POV.

      • You are making the mistaken assumption that I am writing from the British context. I am not. I have lived and worked in Germany for may years.
        A major topic of discussion here before Merkel’s invited guests began to arrive in their tens of thousands, was the problem of poverty in old age (“Altersarmut” if you would like to search for in the German media), and the increasing number of German children living in poverty (“Kinderarmut”). Real incomes of most working people in Germany have declined significantly in the last twenty years and people who have paid into the pension funds for many years will receive far less than they were told to expect twenty years ago. For years, the German government has been telling people that the statutory pension would not be enough and that they should make private investments for their financial security in old age. In the light of nearly zero interest returns on any more or less secure savings schemes over recent years many such Investments started earlier have actually lost value and new investments, for those who could make them, make no more sense than keeping the Money under your bed. Many think even less so as we have seen banks fail around the world and the kleptocratik EU even considering helping itself to people’s savings accounts (as in the Cyprus crisis). There is also very reasonable fear that the euro could be headed the same way as the Reichmark in the 1920, to become just worthless scraps of paper. That hyperinflation, which led to instant impoverishment for the vast majority of the population and the collapse of the Weimar Republic, which created the chaos in which the Nazis came to power, is a powerful spectre in the folk memory here, and it was the guiding principle of the Bundesbank (until it was trashed by Helmut Kohl) to avoid any developments towards a repetition of such inflation.
        Germany has indeed absorbed many immigrants. The first waves after 1945 largely German-Speakers from eastern Europe whose Integration was relatively easy from language and cultural perspectives, then many thousands from meditaranean countries during the days of the “Wirtschaftswunder”, when there was a great demand for even unskilled labour. And of late many people of mostly very remote German origin but with no command of German from eastern Europe after the fall of the eastern block soviet countries. This latter absorbtion has not been unproblamatic, and its heavy costs are perceived as the main reason why living standards for the majority of natives have stagnated or declined in the last twenty years, coupled with the inflation heralded in by the euro. Absolutely nobody believes the government’s official inflation figures. Heating costs have increase 400% and more in the last twenty years, fuel more than doubled, etc, etc. Cheap tack from China and Bangladesh may have become cheaper, but not the essentials of living.
        German has also, at consideralbe expense, absorbed large numbers of asylum seekers from all over the world. But never in such numbers in the form unarmed invading armies on the march.
        It is also clear to everybody that very many of those marching on German now are not fleeing imminent danger. They have been lured from poor but safe areas by Merkel’s propmise of acceptance in what they see as a land of free plenty.
        The strain and risk of social instability and financial decline in Germany is felt to be very real. And most ordinary Germans are very realistic people.

        • Hamburger

          I now understand why I enjoyed your previous comment. Leb wohl!

        • Planet Vague

          I do not think I have mistaken you for anything. From your response elaborating on test book history however I cannot stop feeling that you believe I required this update, or perhaps that you had something to prove.

          Can I say, your last sentence sums it up for me – risk of social instability and financial decline – there is always that risk yet this experience is felt far more in other nations across Europe.

          “We can do this” is nothing more than the expression of confidence. Lord Sugar, Richard Branson et al give us similar messages in televised screenings every week. It’s a lifestyle choice to believe and then act upon it.

        • Planet Vague

          I do not think I have mistaken you for anything. From your response elaborating on test book history however I cannot stop feeling that you believe I required this update, or perhaps that you had something to prove.

          Can I say, your last sentence sums it up for me – risk of social instability and financial decline – there is always that risk yet this experience is felt far more in other nations across Europe.

          “We can do this” is nothing more than the expression of confidence. Lord Sugar, Richard Branson et al give us similar messages in televised screenings every week. It’s a lifestyle choice to believe and then act upon it.

      • From Sarrazin, 2010, long before this disaster:

        For Muslim migrants in Germany, the productive participation (erwerbsbeteiligung) within society is below average. Only 33.9% draw the majority of their livelihood from professional and productive activities.

        Within Berlin, around 20% of all acts of violence are committed by 1000 young Turkish and Arab youths

        “In the migrant underclass, the adults speak German badly or not at all. Sometimes the children are forbidden from using German precisely because the parents do not understand it … basically… we have… only one chance, we have raise children from these backgrounds against the will of the parents.” [Heinz Buschkowsky]

        Necla Kelek : “I also have doubts whether the majority of the Turks living in Germany really want integration– their main behaviour suggests the opposite. Most do not read any German newspapers never mind books. Most of them watch only Turkish television and shop at Turkish stores have no private contact with Germans. The country in which they live is and remains foreign to them.”

      • edlancey

        They haven’t integrated the only non-europeans on your list – from Turkey. Add muslims from the Balkans (ostensibly Turks) to that list.

        The millions coming have much more in common with the failures than with the successes.

      • S. Strengari

        Planet, have you actually lived and been a part of German society? I can tell you authoritatively that Germany has not been successful in integrating immigrants. Yes, many from the Mediterranean and Balkans have managed. But try going to Duisburg Nord, other Ruhrpott cities, and parts of Berlin…they are no go zones! Watching these 2nd and 3rd generation people primarily from Turkey exit the U-Bahn while showing there complete distaste for native Germans or the fact that many of these young people cannot speak fluent German is enough evidence that their immigration has failed. Even Merkel not too long ago announced that multiculturalism has failed in Germany. The War has scarred Germany to such an extent that it will have to get far worse before Germans reject this foolish “migrant” policy but from all reports this is doomed to fail.

    • Hamburger

      It occurred to me a year ago that Frau Merkel saw herself more as a moral instance than a political one. Her actions then make perfect sense.
      I enjoyed your analysis.

      • Helmut Schmidt was fond of qutoting Bismark: “Politics is the art of the possible”. Merkel and Co. are trying the politics of the impossible. It is going to be painful.

      • Sapperlot

        Schaut’s her, der Fischkopf kann sprechen (nur kein Deutsch).
        Something Cameron lacks Merkel excels at. That is what you are saying, Bua.

        • Hamburger

          I am not sure what you are trying to say in either language. I was implying that Frau Merkel’s decision lacked any political logic, or if you like ‘Bodenhaftung’.

          • Sapperlot

            You said: It occurred to me a year ago that Frau Merkel saw herself more as a moral instance than a political one.

            This is a kompletter Vollschmarrn. Merkels “politics of morals”, note the subtle rearranging of words, has secured her victory over the SPD many times, without even blinking.

          • Hamburger

            Her election victories were because we saw her as a safe pair of hands who would not do anything rash. We seem to have been fooled.

          • Sapperlot

            Her election victories materialised because she has her boots firmly on the ground in socialdemocratic terrain – all Cameron needs to do now is copy her.

  • Richard

    German has simply joined the ranks of the nations in Europe attempting to commit suicide. There is nothing more to be read into it. The whole exercise is simply one of national eradication. Something new will take its place, and it will be a sort of Second World Islamic country, trailing China and Japan as the only First World countries left. As we have seen elsewhere in Europe, all political entities have their time; the tide ebbs and new waters wash away the old shoreline. Gibbons is worth reading in this respect.

    • Shazza

      The Fall of the Roman Empire II.

    • mrs1234

      “Germany has developed a civic (as opposed to ethnic) nationalism based on a liberal political culture and embodied in the Basic Law” I believe there is no muslim country on earth to which the above description can be applied so I guess the tide will now ebb fast for the liberal political cultures of western Europe.

  • thomasaikenhead

    What a lot of twaddle!

    Germany may well take in a few hundred thousand Syrian immigrants but the countries bordering Syria have accepted millions!

    Germany is hardly unique in being involved in corruption with regard to FIFA (France, Platini, the Thierry Henry handball vs Ireland) but the World Cup that Germany hosted was an outstanding success whatever the murky origins of awarding the host nation status to Germany.

    VW were involved in murky dealings but German export companies routinely are, SIemans also pays bribes and look at the scandal involving submarines sold to Greece?

  • WFB56

    All very erudite but the reality for everyday Germans is more clearly expressed by this video of a normal German citizen questioning one of the world’s most grotesquely overrated politicians, Angela Merkel:

    http://www.therebel.media/did_merkel_just_read_out_germany_s_suicide_note

  • Corneliu Codreanu

    Oh, yes, Germans must accept being in a multi-ethnic country, – A.K.A – becoming a minority in their own country leading up to their eventual demographic eradication. Funny how this was never demanded of Japan, it has never been demanded of anywhere but European countries.

    Better that Russia invade the whole of Europe than Germany become a multicult hellhole like Britain.

    • RWJetzt

      Of course it must! It gassed the 6 million, it would be simply evil for it to resist accepting the millions of Muslims the Kalergi plan demands it must take in. Sure, 70-85m died in WWII but 6 million Jews… that’s just pure hatred, the blood can never be wiped from Germany’s hands.

      • Corneliu Codreanu

        And yet Israel is allowed to remain a Jewish state. Tell me, leftists, why does nobody else have the right to their identity? Viktor Orban is the only sane leader in Europe

        • Damaris Tighe

          Leftists today usually hate Israel, precisely because it is a proud nation state. Their favoured solution to the I/P conflict is a post-national bi-national single state. When will you stop rehearsing this daft meme?

          • Corneliu Codreanu

            your definition of left is deficient. Wake up to the fact that both ‘Conservatives’ and ‘Liberals’ are both left. Look up the original definition of the ‘left vs. right’ spectrum.

          • Damaris Tighe

            Amazing how antisemites always move the goalposts when presented with facts that demolish their arguments.

          • Trollin4science

            Israel isn’t a nationalist state.. it’s a state full of sociopath nuts. big difference.

        • Sunshine Sux

          Do you want Israelis to ask your permission, how they hold run THEIR country? Is Israel part of the EU? Do Israelis tell you how to run your countries?
          LOL, absolutely phacking pathetic, no wonder you’re finished, you’re entire thinking process is retarded.

    • Vuil

      I believe that is too late. Germany has become a multiculti hellhole. Yet another country pursuing a white replacement policy.

  • Damaris Tighe

    European revolutionaries & radicals in the 19th & 20th centuries fought for national self-determination – national parliaments & national borders – for the various ethnic groups of Europe. The events of 1933-45 were caused by German imperialism as much as by nationalism. Yet the post-war cultural marxists saw these events as an opportunity to start a cultural war on boundaries everywhere: national (borders) & moral (behaviour, gender).

    It’s impossible to see Merkel’s (& Sweden’s) outlook without understanding the deep aversion European elites have to boundaries/borders because they discriminate (note, a word that once indicated something admirable & is now something unthinkable). European elites cannot exclude, they must be ‘inclusive’. It’s also a feminisation of policy: less ‘masculine’ enforcement of boundaries, less ‘tough love’, & more weepy, sentimental ‘inclusion’. The meaningless concept of the non-exclusive civic nation with paper membership is the product of this.

    • RWJetzt

      So, wait, you’re saying that the war in which 70-80m White Europeans died in order to depose a nationalist leader who wanted to keep Europe European was worth it, but you’re still against Europe being flooded by the Third World now and de-Europeanised by the same financial forces he fought against?

      Hmm…something here not adding up, Damaris. Are you one of those ‘conservative’ Jews I’ve heard so much about?

      • Damaris Tighe

        Hitler was a vicious imperialist & genocidal war monger. His uber-aggressive nationalism destroyed nations & nationalism in Europe. Of course the war was worth it.

        • MrFGordon

          Yeah he was a total c**k end. You had your Reich, why roll into Paris?

        • RWJetzt

          Hmm, hmm, ok. And what do you think is going to be the end result of Europe’s financial rulers flooding it with millions upon millions of Muslims, while propagandising to the native people that they are being ‘enriched’ by this sponsored invasion?

          Would the ‘genocidal’ Hitler (of such claims you have no proof, so I won’t bother asking) have done that to the Europe he so evidently loved?

          • Damaris Tighe

            You already know my views on mass migration to Europe. Hitler would not have done that to Europe, but it doesn’t take a genocidal, imperialist maniac to enforce borders & defend European civilisation. There are many democratic European intellectuals who advocate just that – & many of those in France happen to be Jewish intellectuals btw.

          • William_Brown

            “No proof” of Hitler’s genocidal tendencies – Really?
            I think (a theory also based upon your choice of avatar) that you are a bit of a wind-up merchant. You little tinker, you!

          • Dr. Heath

            You need to have a look at the people this person ‘follows’. Now.

          • William_Brown

            Ah…he/she is genuinely nutso then.

          • Dr. Heath

            Disqus operates in a very odd manner. I’ve posted entirely inoffensive comments that were immediately blocked by, it seems some computer programme*. A number of racist crackpots manage to post whatever they want below Spectator articles without any interference. [* – I said I was betting a tenner on Corbyn becoming PM in 2020 because, at worst, I’d lose the price of a bottle of wine and, if Corbyn won, I could be hundreds of pounds better off. This and other anodyne comments was judged too horrible or vile for you and anyone else to read.]

          • Damaris Tighe

            A post can even address another poster as, simply, ‘Jew’.

          • Dr. Heath

            It’s happened again. If you can access my comment, please do so and please try and think of one reason why it’s been banned. Yup. Time to go somewhere nice.

          • Scradje

            The speccy seems to allow quite a significant number of open nazis and defacto nazis to post their squalid ‘thoughts’. The jetzt troll follows (amongst other maggots) a creature named Andrew Anglin, the owner of a hate site called the daily stormer. Unsurprisingly the latter offers a pro-RuSSia editorial too.

          • Dr. Heath

            It’s very disturbing that a magazine which boasts of its antiquity should have employed either a defective computer programme or a racist imbecile to moderate its comments. I can recall a number of Joohating whackos whose posts would get them banned from other sites. These people’s idiosyncratic ways with the English language suggest a Putler connection.

          • Scradje

            Right doc. I posted a mini rant on the same topic to a pro-Ukr poster on the Atlantic earlier today, which may possibly be of interest:
            Scradje : Anthony Clifton 4 hours ago
            I agree with the gist of your link article. The paid Kremtrolls are a pathetic bunch. The volunteer ‘useful idiots’ in North America and Europe though are more of an irritant. One of the more evil and sinister ones, ice_inc, who you have engaged with on the DT, is an example of the eurotrash fascists. Like most of them he is a rabid Jew-hater, glorifier of the minature chekist thug and gloater at the death and misery inflicted upon Ukraine. He uses an odd syntax, which may or may not be Russian in origin. He, also like many of them, supports Ukip. You will find that many of the putlerites on DT threads are also kremkippers. Kremtroll useful idiots in the states often tend to be white supremacists who also use the Putlerstan-friendly anti-semitic hate site, the daily stormer, along with other hate and lies conspiracy sites like infowars. Kremtroll useful idiots in Europe usually belong to parties like FN, which happens to be doing well in France and is bankrolled by entities associated with Yedinaya Rossiya.
            The volunteers appear co-ordinated. Way back in March/April last year, comments pages on sites like the DT were peppered with copy and paste drivel using the same key phrases: ‘Kiev nazis’, ‘Kiev fascist junta’, ‘EU/NeoCon/Soros/US/Zionist (take your pick) -funded coup’, ‘Putin is protecting Europe from the fascist EUSSR’, ‘Putin is a great man; he looks after his people’ etc etc ad nauseum. And now of course joining these trolls are the supporters of the Stalinists who now run the British Labour Party, who do not yet seem to have noticed that Putlerstan has been a running as a textbook model of a fascist state for many years now.

          • Dr. Heath

            Yes. There’s a community of profoundly disturbed nutters out there who side with Putler out of a frenzied hatred for the EU or Nato or the States. Some are salaried krembots and others appear, as they seem to have a mastery of English more or less comparable with that of a UK comprehensive or American high school graduate , to be westerners. Many are just latter day blackshirted morons. A few might be, as you suggest, people with ties to the newly installed Stalinist leadership of Labour.

            Trawling through those of my posts that have been blocked for no sane reason, I came across one in which I mentioned the name of the P’burg street which houses the headquarters of the krembot operation.

          • Scradje

            That is disquieting.

          • Dr. Heath

            Your comment has conjured up an image in my mind of Putler as a chekist Mini-me. Fantastic! And I think his resemblance to Verne Troyer is increasing by the week, don’t you? Are they perhaps related?

          • Scradje

            Ha ha! Perhaps some black ops people could start drafting a scenario for a snatch/replacement operation. Verne’s acting skills could be put to good use. Brilliant!

          • Dr. Heath

            Verne would need to acquire some of Putler’s trademark quirks. Rambling on and on incoherently about any subject that comes into his head – and it’s not the translations that are poor but the original Putleresque Russian that’s barmy and sinister – would be the key to Verne successfully passing himself off as Mini-Poot. And how does Verne cope with vicious dogs, I wonder.

          • Scradje

            Could be a challenge. He would be good at mincing around with even more tiny Medvedev in their silk tracksuits though.

          • Dr. Heath

            A lengthy article by Alexander J. Motyl on the extent to which Putlerstan qualifies as a fascist state should be easy to find at the site of the journal “World Affairs”. I recommend this to anyone interested in the recent and appalling history of the Russian Federation and, of course, its trajectory in the near future.

          • Scradje

            I will seek it out on WA. I am an admirer of the prof’s work. Halya Coynash is another very good writer with a deep understanding of this topic.

          • Sunshine Sux

            Hitler was a close friend of the grand mufti of Jerusalem. He admired islam, and today Islam admires Hitler. Nazis being Nazis, whether german or muslim. Try again.

          • Omar

            “Would the ‘genocidal’ Hitler (of such claims you have no proof, so I won’t bother asking) have done that to the Europe he so evidently loved? . . .”

            NONE of the leaders of that day – Axis or Allied – would have done as Merkel is doing.

            There is something new and very disturbing about the world government borderless thinking represented by Merkel. . . . How can any people engage in representative self-government if their leaders wont honor and enforce the borders within which those peoples have chosen to define and govern themselves?
            I’m beginning to think that these people may have to be removed by force as a simple matter of self-preservation.

        • Spenglersdog

          I think he was the precursor of a coming European unity. A crude and provisional attempt at a completion of the Western historical destiny which includes the nation idea but subsumes it in a broader identity. That movement continues despite its taking the distorted and caricatured form of an economic union and serving the interests of high finance and egalitarian claptrap. Germany is the heart and mind of Europe and is invested with the mission of bringing forth the final Imperium of the West. Destiny is playing out in Germany and the destructive forces of the past are desperate to stifle the young shoots of the future.

      • Grace Ironwood

        Do you mean she doesn’t think the Joooos did it?

        • RWJetzt

          What is your point, Grace? Enough with the childish Hasbara memes, do you have an argument which disproves what I say?

          • Sunshine Sux

            Do everybody a big favour and go blow yourself up in a mosque already. That way at least you’re doing something useful.

    • Grace Ironwood

      Agree with your post, especially your description of the feminised therapeutic, auto-genocidal state.

      However the US made a go of “The meaningless concept of the non-exclusive civic nation”- the great American Idea & the constitution united people instead of the country being built on purely ethnic self-determination.
      Nevertheless, The Idea of the USA is predominantly Anglo/Western.

      • Damaris Tighe

        Yes indeed, but although the USA has been spectacularly successful economically, socially it’s another story. Even back in pre-multiculturalism days, it lacked social cohesion. Ed West has argued (drawing on sources) that the reason why the US has found it impossible to put in place a European-style welfare state is because various ethnic sub-groups don’t wish to subsidise each other. They lack the social solidarity & social capital that -until recently – western European countries had.

        I’m not arguing for a big welfare state – simply making the point that it can only be set up & maintained where individuals in the national community feel a certain basic kinship with each other.

        The other sign of the lack of social cohesion in the US immigrant society is the much higher level of violence, much of it based on resentment of one ethnic group by another in the patchwork.

        • Grace Ironwood

          Sure, I have to concede this.
          The Centre for Social Cohesion put out a report a while ago pointing to the the conclusion that the further one gets from people of one’s family, one’s tribe the less one is willing to support others.
          Nevertheless- the US state founded upon an idea- we see earlier generations of immigrants subscribing to this – e.g. the Jews. Obviously, the more “alien” the immigrants to the Idea, the less subscription to it.

          • Damaris Tighe

            Yes, agreed Grace. On another subject, what happened to all those long, stimulating discussion threads that used to be here?

          • Grace Ironwood

            🙂

  • MrFGordon

    The modern Germany identity is of a brow beaten national socialists, keen to prove to everyone how un-nationalistic they are, exemplified by Merkel. What have they got to lose?

    • Roger Hudson

      Denazified? not the Germany i used to visit in the mid-60s, the village doctor who lost his toes to frostbite who kept a black uniform in his study.
      With an ex-DDR president and chancellor the anthem should be “Auferstanden aus ruinen”.

  • Migru Ghee

    Habermas is spot on. Of course all those familiar with Alfred Adler’s compensation theory in relation to inferiority feelings, German collective failure was compensated for by collectively moving to the high ground. It’s a fake transformation. Germany, a nation without real history and own tradition if you come to think of it (we should perhaps give them credit for the invention of the Hackfleischboulette), remains evil.

    • Spenglersdog

      Complete and utter b*llocks.

      • Migru Ghee

        Well spotted.

        • William_Brown

          : )

    • Roger Hudson

      Rubbish , the Germanic peoples dominated central europe for two millenia, think of Arminius.

      • Hagen vanTronje

        Think of Hermann, too !

        • Sapperlot

          Obacht, you must remind yourself of history to understand the future.
          The ‘Holy Roman Empire of German Nation’ is the key word applicable here.

    • Chamber Pot

      You fascist. I suppose Goethe, Schiller, Wagner etc. are not historical figures ?

  • Trollin4science

    Too bad for Germany! Germany ended when Adolf Hitler died. Serves them right. The people are cowards for not standing up for their country, throwing up the scum politicians and kicking all of the “refugees” back to the middle east.

  • Clive

    The current probable successors to Angela Merkel are Hannelore Kraft on the left and Ursula von der Leyen on the right.

    Ursula von der Leyen may have been fatally damaged by one of those German ‘plagiarism of thesis’ scandals.

    Hannelore Kraft is the daughter of a bus driver. We got one of those but on the right.

    Hannelore Kraft has complained about the effect of immigration on North Rhine-Westphalia of which she is governor. That’s probably just party political though.

    Angela Merkel has been back-pedaling on immigration for weeks. She is talking about sending economic migrants home as fast as possible. Shows a certain lack of understanding of the difficulty of finding immigrants once they have a place in society and the bureaucracy of establishing the immigrant’s origin. She has a huge and growing political problem from her original ‘welcome all refugees’ stance.

    • Hagen vanTronje

      I reckon Angela merkel has mental problems because she now affects a silly little laugh after the end of each sentence.

      • Clive

        Apparently since she became defence minister Ursula von der Layen sometimes sends mobile phones by courier to people she wants to talk to so that she can speak to them on a secure line.

        Humanity is regressing.

        • Hagen vanTronje

          Ursula is out-breeding most Muslims, 6 children so far !

      • goodsoldier

        You have to worry about laughs out of context, especially if the person has power.

  • Dominic Stockford

    Interesting, national identity built on economics.

    “The love of money is the root of all kinds of evil.”

    • William_Brown

      …well, some kinds, anyway.

      • Dominic Stockford

        ‘all kinds’ meaning lots of different types, not necessarily ‘all’.

        • William_Brown

          Alright!…just joining in…

          • Dominic Stockford

            ‘alright’ meaning most of what you say is good, not necessarily all… 🙂

  • YorkshireBobby

    I read somewhere (probably a war historian) “The Germans will be either at your feet of at your throat”. They may try to be nice but just wait until the right-wing come back again

    • Spenglersdog

      That was Churchill, the man who presided over the dissolution of England. Power went to Washington and Moscow. Europe was thrown into an abyss, utterly subservient to the extra-European demands and now under a concerted attack by the outer enemies enabled by the inner enemies. We are on the brink of a resurgence of European unity and destiny, the war for the Liberation of Europe.

      • Clive

        Churchill was quoting a saying in a speech to Congress in 1943. He did not actually coin the expression and you can see how in 1943 he might have had a bit of a downer on Huns

        • Spenglersdog

          He vacillated between praise and condemnation according to the political expediency of the moment. He was a great rhetorician but had the ethics of an alley cat as one his fellow MPs remarked.

          • Dominic Stockford

            Churchill believed that the enduring alliance should be with the USA. That is why he made efforts to seek to strengthen that, and why he entitled one volume of his speeches ‘the enduring alliance’

          • Spenglersdog

            But look at Roosevelt’s comments regarding the relationship and you see that the alliance was one of American and Soviet dominance over England and Europe. Churchill knew he was being used and cast aside afterwards.

          • Clive

            There is a school of thought that Roosevelt was comprehensively duped by Stalin. It is reinforced by comments from Roosevelt like this:

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potsdam_Conference#Relationships_amongst_the_leaders
            Roosevelt had brushed off warnings of a potential domination by a Stalin dictatorship in part of Europe. He explained that “I just have a hunch that Stalin is not that kind of a man,” and reasoned, “I think that if I give him everything I possibly can and ask for nothing from him in return, ‘noblesse oblige,’ he won’t try to annex anything and will work with me for a world of democracy and peace.”

          • Spenglersdog

            There is a book by Roosevelt’s son in law (Curtis Dall) which is an interesting read.

          • Frank

            One does have to ask what drugs he was taking to cope with the pain, etc. Plus if you were American, you probably hadn’t come across many dictators like Stalin. I get that impression with Obama, ie he is a bit clueless when it comes to realpolitik.

          • Hagen vanTronje

            “”I get that impression with Obama, ie he is a bit clueless when it comes to realpolitik.””

            A Bit Clueless ???

            He has no clue whatsoever !!

          • Sue Smith

            Actually, they need to make a sequel to Amy Heckerling’s “Clueless” and make it about Obama….”what’s wrong; did my hair go flat?”

          • Ivan Ewan

            Sounds like Obama talking about Rouhani, doesn’t he?

          • Sue Smith

            Lecturing, pontificating, preaching but not “talking” – no.

          • Dominic Stockford

            Evidence?

          • Spenglersdog

            Diaries, letters, diplomatic correspondence, memoirs etc. Have a read of David Irving’s book on Churchill and the members of the Polish government in exile. Basically the remarks of ambassadors and diplomats on the various sides involved. It’s only my reading of the situation but I certainly don’t buy the mainstream version.

        • Roger Hudson

          He seemed to have been very anti-German since about 1900. His anti-German actions leading up to ww1 were unforgivable.

    • Hagen vanTronje

      German Ports do a lot of exporting but a lot of the stuff is not made in Germany.
      Italy has more heavy Industry than Germany does !

  • Revd Robert West

    Folk are trying to outlaw what they see as the Great Heresy of nationalism or racialism, but coming from a Biblical viewpoint I do not see race or nation, mainly used as synonyms in the Bible, as a heresy at all: how can it be when in the Old Testament you have God, not man (Psalm 86: 9), making the nations at Babel (Genesis 10 and 11: 1-11), and then soon afterwards, beginning the idea of the chosen race or nation (Genesis 12: 3).

    Maybe that is a little bit odd for some, but let me explain: at the heart of race or nationality there is genealogy. This comes through in the Greek word, genos, ‘to beget’ which is often translated as race or stock, sometimes as generation depending on the context and the intent. It does not quite have the modern meaning, influenced by Darwinian science, of sub-species and genetics. So: your national identity comes not from where you are but from whom you are from. Basically it is your ancestry.

    People have difficulty, nowadays, with that concept because they fink it is waaaycist.

    But it is not racist, it is just race! My race is the English race: that is my stock, who I come from. Does that make me any worse or any better than you? Not really. And this is nationality. They – whoever they are – are trying to abolish it, but it keeps on re-appearing. The latest reappearance, after trying to end the Biblical concept of nationality, is to type-cast it as ethnicity, as though nationality and ethnicity are different. But that rather gives the game away: the Greek word for nation is ‘ethnos’. Before we start bleating about it, we should recall that all nationality is exclusive of some, inclusive of others.

    • Clive

      So if I understand you correctly, a person whose parents are Nigerian who is born in England is racially English ? If not, then what is that person’s nationality and race ?

      • Revd Robert West

        ‘So: your national identity comes, not from where you are, but from whom you are from. Basically it is your ancestry.” I usually write very clearly, but may be I have not been sufficiently clear, though I thought I had. The Edomites are the descendents of Esau, the Jacobites/Israelites are the descendents of Jacob/Israel. It does not really matter where they are, their nationality is whom they are from. So, for example, a Jew born in the Gaza strip, and living there, would not be a Palestinian: he would be a person of Jewish nationality and would be repatriated to the State of Israel. You cannot change a person’s genealogy. On principles of equality this would also apply to a person of Ibbo, Youruba or Hausa stock. However, such a person may have UK citizenship.

        • Hamburger

          We had the idea until 2000 that you needed German blood to be German. I have always found it a bit limited. I have always looked with admiration at the British and French idea of a nation being defined by it’s culture, an Idea in Europe which goes back to the Romans.
          As stupid as I find the actions of Frau Merkel I simply cannot believe that the influx of 1% of our population is going to destroy our culture. If it does it would appear that our culture was worthless in the first place.

          • Revd Robert West

            At the heart of nationality is genealogy, and in Genesis 10 God separates them into their countries. But on the other hand a little bit of intermixture is not going to divert or challenge the mainstream identity. Maybe an anaology with the history of our own tongue is helpful. English has been invaded by many Scandinavian, Latin and other words but it still remains basically English in its stock words and denuded grammar. I suppose the same could be said, in extremis, for nations.

          • Hamburger

            “But on the other hand a little bit of intermixture is not going to divert or challenge the mainstream identity.” Indeed., I do wonder how much a bit is. The widespread integration of the Angles, or the Norse? Or the Norman French? All brought new words and behaviors with them.

            Would we recognise ourselves in our 14th. century ancestors? I am not sure. I think that cultures evolve until they are almost unrecognisable to their origons. As di Lampedusa wrote “For things to remain the same, everything must change”

          • Revd Robert West

            You can still see the various historic races of Britain in many a college where natives come from Wales, or the Grampians or the south-east of England. The Angle has that long-oblong face, the Celt has a more rounded feature, and the Iberian is darker. Old English sounds and looks like a different language until you ‘get into the ear of it” and then you soon see how close it is to our own ‘dialect’ of English.

          • E.I.Cronin

            Revd there are still a few regions of Australia and New Zealand (especially in the South Island) where one can still distinguish the various tribes and first settler stock. Looking at pictures from over a century ago and then looking around and see the same hair, skin and cast of features walking the streets next to me is fascinating. It wasn’t till later in life I realised a substantial percentage of my childhood friends were Welsh and shared a similar look. And temperament! I have trouble spotting Saxon from Dane or separating the Irish from Cornish etc (if there is a noticeable difference).

            ps I just discovered Melvyn Bragg’s rollicking biography of the English language. He writes about our language as if it’s a conscious entity. A marvellous read.

          • Clive

            I believe our nation is defined by its culture. Human beings are distinguished from other animals by their well developed brains. It follows that a mental attribute would identify humans into groupings of all kinds.

            I believe a national culture can be almost totally destroyed by a large influx of people but it would have to be a very large influx and it would have to happen in a very short time. The host culture involved would have to have some weak points in the first place as well, I think.

            For instance, if a million people from a different culture arrived in an area of a nation in a few months, they would form a large ghetto. Inside that ghetto, a different national culture from the host culture would operate and that would probably continue for years.

            The characteristics of that ‘culture within a culture’ might well spread. For instance corruption and nepotism might start to spread. They might communicate themselves to the host culture in ‘self-defence’ or through just plain discrimination.

          • Hagen vanTronje

            I suggest you visit Duisburg and see the results of mass Immigration and what happened to your culture !

          • Hamburger

            I am sure that you have similar areas, Hamburg has them too. I don’t see Muslims taking over our culture.

          • Hagen vanTronje

            Would you expect them to integrate ?

          • Hamburger

            We have a number of Iranians here who are completely integrated, Turks as well when I come to think about it. It takes a while.

          • Pioneer

            You are in for a surprise, then.

          • goodsoldier

            It seems to me it was a kindness to consider a foreigner an Englishman, a kindly gesture. Now that kindness has turned into calling everybody British who gains citizenship. Now it has turned into letting the 3rd world make themselves at home. The definitions change as surely as the intent to destroy Europe has happened.

        • Clive

          You didn’t actually answer my question. The person I described, what is
          (a) their race and
          (b) their nationality

          • Revd Robert West

            Their genos (race) is their ethnos (nationality); though they may be citizens of either Nigeria or somewhere else, or they may be stateless persons. Their race or nationality would be the same, therefore, as their ethnicity, and their ethnicity would be their genealogy: not where they are from, but whom they are from. But you have not told me whom they are from, so I can only give a limited answer based on the limited information you have supplied.

    • Andrew Smith

      I find your analysis good, but would query the use ofthe word race. Surely race and nationhood are not entirely interchangeable?

      • Revd Robert West

        The word ‘race’ in modern English, since about the 19th century, has begun to take on Darwinian, Evolutionary tones of ‘species’; but before then, it did in some circles at least, just mean nation or genealogy, your descent. In Old English the word we tended to use was kin, which speaks its meaning very well.

        However, some writers have used the word ‘Nation’ to mean political rather than genealogical community. Gibbon speaks of the Roman Empire as being a nation, though the Romans referred to the nations as Gentiles (Latin for the Greek ethnos).

        In the Bible the Hebrew and Greek words for nation, Goy and Ethnos respectively, refer to an intergenerational kith and kin group, such as, the children of Israel. And that is also called a genos or race.

        The concept of an intergenerational kith and kin group seems to be very important and is still adverted to by us as an ethnic group; but, say in Russia, it is still called a nationality or nation. Due to the importance of this concept to many folks, nationalists call for each nation to have its own State, a Nation State.

    • Sue Smith

      “they fink it is waaaycist”

      Listen, Elmer Fudd, you need to watch out for that Wabbit!!

      • Revd Robert West

        A couple of decades ago I was instructed by a teachar that it was waaaycist to call a Blackboard a Blackboard. I told her that if that was waaaycist then waaaycism was nofink to worry about. Some pupils a few months ago, before I was banned for life from teaching, told me that it was waaaycist to say ‘Negro’. I told them, ‘No it is not: it is Portuguese.” Anyway, at least I have not been murdered. Think about it.

        • Sue Smith

          Nurse!!!

        • Hagen vanTronje

          The Dutch use the word Neger to describe a Negro and nobody bats an eyelid !

  • Happyin Herts

    Mrs Thatcher was invincible until they stabbed her in the back. Immigration is Mrs Merkel’s Poll Tax moment.

    • goodsoldier

      Much graver and far more serious than that. Isn’t the BBC license fee a poll tax? That’s pretty serious.

  • CommonCense

    The german story is going to be interesting either it will be a resounding sucess wherein all the immigrants accept German cultural values and send a message to the world reduce it to ashes (culturally..i hope ) in a couple of decades and send a message to the world.Dont think there will be a middle ground.

    Either way the world will receive a message

    • Sue Smith

      Just as long as nobody touches the Berliner Philharmonkier and the Dresdner Staatskapelle!! These are NON-NEGOTIABLE!!

      • Genie Balham

        Do they play ‘classical music’? Then a tranche of muslims are not ‘very keen’. Hip hop and rap are ok as they are spoken rhythmic poems apparently.

  • thetrashheap

    Some mistakes you don’t come back from. The pro immigrant neo-liberal press still don’t get the scale of what she has done.

    This crisis is not resolved still huge numbers are coming. ISIS have yet to attack with the 1,000 of fighters they smuggled in.

    This thing has yet to come to a head and when it does she is screwed along with the rest of us.

    She has had her Neville Chamberlain moment, it will just take time for her idiocy to become apparent.

    • Roger Hudson

      Next will be her Stalingrad moment.

      • Sunshine Sux

        I have a feeling Brussels will have a Nueremberg moment.

  • Mr Grumpy

    Absolutely typical German elite groupthink from Herr Kundnani. Note the drumbeat of guilt by association. If you worry about a mass influx of people with precious little in common with the Germans beyond the attraction of wealth, you’re with the neo-Nazi thugs.

    • Kennybhoy

      Err have you actually read the article…?

  • Richard Young

    Militarily Germany is a politically neutered colossus.This immigration nonsense propagated by Merkel is a frustrated attempt to once again take it center stage.Putin must be laughing his cotton socks off.Bismark must be swirling in his grave.What a shambles.

    • It probably escaped your attention that compulsory military service was abolished in Germany on 1st July 2011. This was to pave the way for the creation of a professional modern army. Germany manufactures some of the most sought-after military hardware in the world.

      • Andrew Smith

        Have you ever seen the Bunseswehr in action – they can’t even march. I’ve met a number of soldiers, and they don’t compare at all favourably to British soldiers. They have some truly great kit, but don’t have a clue in how to use it.

        • Hamburger

          We have splendid guns which cannot shoot straight and as a result are giving them to the Kurds so that we can replace then with better ones. I think that our tanks are quite good, however the heyday for tanks is gone.

        • Kennybhoy

          “Have you ever seen the Bunseswehr in action – they can’t even march.”

          Yes I have. You are talking sh*te.

  • Cobbett

    Germany is f*cked.

    • Spenglersdog

      Good avatar!

      • Cobbett

        Why, thank you.

    • Roger Hudson

      I was watching a video of a huge Heino concert, not many muslims in the crowd.
      Doesn’t he sing that old 19th century song “wenn alle untrau werden”.

  • Roger Hudson

    I don’t like the term ‘re-unification’,more like west Germany conquered the east. They should also have made sure The Kaliningrad oblast was returned, perhaps linked by a ‘corridor’ through Poland (or did the UK under Thatcher give a ‘guarantee’).
    The articles author continues to scream ‘Auschwitz’ to keep the Germans on their knees generations after ww2.The Germans (Germanic people) made up the majority in central europe and no blethering can remove that fact.

  • Ganesh

    Isn’t it inevitable that the idea of Germany as ‘constitutional patriotism’ with no connection to the German ethnicity will result, in the long term, in the disappearance of the German ethnicity?

    • Hagen vanTronje

      This is the aim of the Bilderbergers and the arch Goon Peter Sutherland who wishes a load of foreigners to breed with indiginous folk thus producing lots of halfcastes who have no love or affiliation to the Nation State thus enabling an easy takeover when they decide to go for all-out Europe and individual Countries disappear.

      • Ganesh

        Exactly the plan.

        Mass miscegenation to permanently destroy nationalism, and produce a race of people who have no allegiance other than the state, the media drivel they are spoonfed, and other corporate entities.

  • Gilbert White

    There will be amazing scenes. Point of fact the countries a lot of these chancers come from are colder than Europe on average. Come winter proper there will be mass breakins and people defending their property. Shotguns sold out in Austria? Disease like in Malaysia?

  • mohdanga

    Since when is Germany “a nation of immigrants”?? This idiotic statement is never criticized nor debated, rather just accepted as fact.

    • Hagen vanTronje

      “”Since when is Germany “a nation of immigrants””
      The German media is currently doing a series of adverts showing folk who are obviously non-Germanic but have assimilated and are calling them Germans.
      The majority do not comprehend that Germany is a concept developed by Bismark and rather than being called Germanic, those in the know prefer , Teutonic’.

      • mohdanga

        The German nation, when first formed, encompassed people of similar/identical backgrounds/culture/language/custom who were under control of number of smaller kingdoms. While there will always be differences between people in different parts of the same country (eg, Cockney vs Yorkshireman vs Geordie), they all subscribe to the same overall culture. Someone from Pakistan who lives in Germany may hold a German passport but will never be ‘German’….just as if my parents were living in China and I was born there, it would not make me Chinese.
        The example that you give is just another one of the ways the politicians and multiculti industry try to brainwash the masses into thinking that all cultures are interchangeable, that a Pakistani German is the same as a 10th generation Teuton living in the same city.

        • Patrick_Blankfein

          Correct. I am white, blonde, blue-eyed, English (O.k. Danish/Scottish, Norwegian, and who knows what else back in the day – all a bit hazy; but I have an English surname (not the one I use here)) and I was born in Saudi. I am not an Arab, not by my distinction, not by theirs. I have more in common with a German than a Turkish-German has with a German; I have more in common with an Anglo/Germanic American than I have with an Asian Brit. This is abundantly clear to me when I meet like people from Europe, European New Worlders.

          • mohdanga

            And if you were from South Africa and could trace your lineage back to the original Dutch settlers in the 1600s, I doubt the multiculti mob would refer to you as ‘African’. Yet the millions of African blacks that arrive in the UK and Western Europe and have been here for two minutes are automatically bestowed the moniker ‘British’ or ‘Dutch’…..isn’t that odd?

          • Patrick_Blankfein

            White people didn’t invent the caste system; humans did. Take a look at Indian TV, news in particular; look at Asian TV. Strangely, the reporters are quite the lightest of the stock, unashamedly this is so. Interesting! In those countries, lightest skin is the order of the day. And they complain about racism? It is as basic as the most basic human desires. Gentlemen prefer gold.

      • Sue Smith

        You are referring to the new language, imposed politburo-style to try and propagandize many millions of people into accepting population replacement.

    • Sue Smith

      True indeed.

  • MickC

    It seems to be an innate characteristic of Germany that as it becomes more powerful, its leaders have less judgment.
    It has caused huge, and disastrous, problems in the past and almost certainly will again.

    • Frank

      I think that it is the been-too-long-in-the-office syndrome. Merkel has said she is going, but has arguably over-stayed (in fairness, the alternatives appear to be dire).

      • MickC

        Possibly, but my view is that “either at your feet or throat” remains as true as ever. The Germans seem incapable of the healthy cynicism towards dogma and ideologies which the Anglosphere possesses.

        Or, in other words, the Anglosphere remains what it always was, obstreperous, independent minded, and disliking being told what to do. It is why England cannot remain in the EU. Scotland, of course, is historically different having a Civil Law, rather than Common Law tradition.

        • Frank

          I would suggest that we have a common cultural bond with Scotland – doesn’t matter what the mad Scottish pols say, I have more in common with the average Scot than anyone on the continent. Mind you, I hate haggis.

          • MickC

            I agree about the cultural bond, but their body politic has a distinctive flavour….

            Having said which, I admire their distaste for the Westminster village “elite”, and I think the SNP “Westminster frontbench” are well briefed and effective. In particular, Angus Robertson asks very pertinent questions.

          • Rocksy

            Apart from the haggisphobia, I am very proud of the individual and combined accomplishments of the four nations which make up the UK. We have done a remarkable job of not just living relatively peacefully together but have forged a unique and quite extraordinary force for good on this planet.

        • Kennybhoy

          Scotland has a mixed legal system.

      • Andrew Smith

        There were plenty of alternatives, but Mrs M. is world-class in getting rid of the bodies. Unfortunately, she is not so good at governing.

        • Hagen vanTronje

          I heard an interesting and true story about Mrs. Merkel, as follows.:-
          In her younger days she wished to study but cash was a problem so she got married to a chap with a flat and was able to pursue her studies but on the day she qualified and got her certificate she hired a small removal van and whilst Hubby was at work, she packed all her belongings and scarpered, she also took the one article in the flat that was worth something, the Refrigerator.
          It may be that the Jung Pioneer was a Capitalist at heart !

          • Andrew Smith

            Ulrich Merkel tells the story a little differently – They both met in 1974, ie a year after she started her studies. Students in the GDR were in reciept of generous grants. They got married, so they would BOTH be given precedence in the allocation of a flat, as married couples were pushed up the waiting list. They remained married and both had good jobs and she was never dependent on him for money. She certainly took the refrigerator with her, but it was the only thing she took and not the only thing of value in the flat.

            This is all a matter of recorded fact and you can read the interview online. Her policies are a horror enough without you needing to make up stories about her.

      • Hagen vanTronje

        Schauble has long said he wants to be Chancellor.

        • Frank

          Not sure that I like / trust Schauble, he seems too much the old fashioned kind of German politician.

          • Hagen vanTronje

            Schauble is a rather bitter old man, confined to a wheelchair as he is, i suppose he feels he deserves a crack at being the boss.

          • Frank

            Agree, but that horse has left the stable I think?

    • greencoat

      You are right. There is a strong seam of dark romanticism in the German character.

  • Frank

    One has to admire the delusion that economic success somehow wipes out deep involvement in genocide. Only in Bavaria!
    Germany is rather like Japan, deeply dependent on exporting due to the destruction of the previous sense of identity – keep busy so that we don’t have to face up to the monsters in our midst (and if they are buying our stuff they probably don’t hate us).
    Germany is however very practical, so the millions of immigrants will shortly find themselves being flown home with a small care pack (rather like the way Germany has returned to coal fired power stations despite the huge numbers of greens).
    All the above does help to explain why Germany allowed itself to be swept up in France’s enthusiasm for the EU (France is talking to us so perhaps we are not seen as monsters by everyone)- we are probably heading for the moment when Germany wakes up and gives France a reality check of some description! Is this why Hollande has been so quiet of late?

  • valar84

    The point about Germans seeing their export-based economic system as a centerpiece of their national identity is enlightening. It explains why they are so keen to have other nations adopt the same model… forgetting that it is an arithmetic impossibility. A country’s export is another country’s import. Trying to force every country to export much more than they import is just completely impossible and is liable to bring the entire world economy down.

  • rockylives

    Why do these writers always refer to Pegida as “anti immigrant”?

    In fact their campaign is narrower and much more specific: they are against the Islamisation of their country.

    So, yes, this means they are opposed to more Muslim immigrants arriving. But they have been clear in stating that they are not against allowing non-Muslims in, regardless of their race or colour.

    Obviously it suits the Euro establishment to portray Pegida as far right neo-Nazis. And maybe some of their supporters fit that label. But I suspect the vast majority simply see where the mass importation of Muslims is heading and would like their political leaders to do something about it before it’s too late (if it’s not already).

    • mohdanga

      Any party/movement that disagrees with the multiculti/mass immigration racket is branded “far right wing”, “extreme right wing”, “hard right wing”, etc. Look at Geert Wilders in Holland…his party has more seats that the coalition parties combined, and the highest percentage of voters….yet he is constantly referred to as “far right wing” by the media, who seem to think that bringing in millions of Muslims to replace the Dutch is a good thing.

    • Sapperlot

      Because that is what they are: kleine, faule Ossirassistenschweine. Mir Bayern will sort them out, not to worry.

      • Rather the Ossis than the self-hating idiots on the other side. The Ossis are the only Germans who are not ashamed of being German. As for “mir Bayern,” the Bavarians have long been and still are the most bigoted Germans of the lot. Your views typify them.

        • Sue Smith

          The Left: a half-way house for the maladjusted.

        • Sapperlot

          Let’s get this straight Kaiser Wilhelm Joe, you come out in defense of die kleinen, faulen Ossirassistenschweine and I make a note of that you have no idea about what goes on in Germany.

    • Sunshine Sux

      Everything today, that isn’t socialist marxist left, is described as neo-nazi.

  • sarahsmith232

    so we all in Europe have once again a German imperialist suffering from a Messiah Complex dominating the continent. she’s a Christian, they come with an inbuilt saviour complex. her high handed dismissal of eastern European concerns, trampling over them, dictating to them, believing herself their superior so really no need to concern herself with her Hungarian inferiors concerns.
    Really? this is all so historically different? really this is not nothing more than German imperialism trampling it’s way over the continent again? hmmm, i’m not so sure.
    she is going to crash the union with this arrogance, if we end up crashing out 18months from now it will be for exactly the reason Margaret Thatcher warned about – a large imperialistic country like Germany will never be able to see herself as an equal and sooner or later will seek to dominate the continent.
    well, here we are, Thatcher’s warnings were right.

    • goodsoldier

      And the neutral Swedes think they are superior to all other countries and the Left believe them. They can do not wrong to the Left. So many ads on radio use Swedish-Jamaican men’s voices for some reason. I wonder why.

  • johnhenry

    I think this is an excellent article written by someone with no axe to grind. My only demur relates to his sentence which reads:“Meanwhile attacks on asylum seekers have taken place on an almost daily basis.” The writer offers no background about these alleged attacks. I wonder if these attacks have been attacks on people who are rapists, robbers, sidewalk urinators or other barbarians posing as innocent asylum seekers?

    • Andrew Smith

      I can only offer anecdotal evidence, but having watched the German news roughly every second day for the last eleven years, I have only heard of some 100 cases throughout this time, of violence perpetrated exclusively against ethnic minorities, the majority of which go on the account of the NSU cell. There are regular torchings of (empty) properties in which Asylum seekers will are to be housed, but this can hardly be called “attacks on asylum seekers”. The real person-on-person violence has been committed within the asylum homes, with Afghans pitted against Albanians (no Syrians there) or African men ganging up on little girls.

      There is an elite “narrative” of a post-national Germany which labels anything even vaguely not d’accord with the prevailing right-on consensus as racist. The great majority of ordinary people haven’t signed up to this yet.

      • Kennybhoy

        “There is an elite “narrative” of a post-national Germany which labels anything even vaguely not d’accord with the prevailing right-on consensus as racist.”

        This.

      • Sue Smith

        This last paragraph of yours is chilling, at best.

    • Kennybhoy

      “I think this is an excellent article written by someone with no axe to grind.”

      Aye.

    • Sue Smith

      One immigrant child has already been murdered, but then how many other children were murdered in Germany in the last week through domestic violence? It’s an appalling thing to happen under any circumstances.

      In Australia we’ve had 2 or 3 children under 12 murdered in just the last fortnight or so. An 11 y/o girl was raped and murdered at a party, but it’s mostly the animals that some women take up with who systematically brutalize innocent children and the details are often so disturbing one cannot afford to listen or read and stay sane.

      One woman in Queensland murdered all her 8 children a little over a year ago!!!

      ICE!!!

  • Sachsen

    In Germany AfD is called xenophobic when in fact they are national conservatives. They represent a lot of the politics of this country’s conservatives. Pegida is not anti immigrant. In fact, one of their demands is controlled immigration based on the Australian model. The big problem the Germans have is that there is no opposition in parliament to the right of centre. I would even debate that CDU now is on the centre, they seem to be overtaking the Greens on the left. With a declining indigenous population and a rising muslim population you see where the country of Heinrich Heine is heading, unfortunately and very sadly. Or dangerously?

    • Sue Smith

      I know all about “the Australian model” as I live in Sydney. We’ve had every vicious, self-interested oligarch trying to overturn the wishes of the Australian people – from the UN, our High Court, activist journalists, our ABC, the human rights industry and the Left (aptly described in a recent political biography as “the halfway house of the maladjusted”!). These people have tried to thwart our democratic processes and continue to do so!!

      Be EXTREMELY vigilant.

  • Sue Smith

    Required reading/listening for everyone concerned about the fate of Europe. Watch the interview; at last some really intelligent people are on the case!!

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-28/sam-harris%2c-maajid-nawaz-discuss-the-future-of-islam/6892166

  • Sue Smith

    Required reading/listening for everyone concerned about the fate of Europe. Watch the interview; at last some really intelligent people are on the case!!

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-28/sam-harris%2c-maajid-nawaz-discuss-the-future-of-islam/6892166

  • Sue Smith

    This disturbing graphic will put into perspective visually exactly what’s happening in Europe and the UK and Scandinavia. It’s not pretty:

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-refugee-crisis-captured-in-one-staggering-animated-graphic-2015-10-28

    • E.I.Cronin

      Cripes!! Pictures paint a thousand words Sue, and what a horrific picture. Look at Hungary, Romania and Czech republic compared to poor France.

      • Sue Smith

        This is why I call it “population replacement”!! Many are not taking this seriously, saying they “celebrate diversity”. The present European culture isn’t based on blitzkrieg immigration, but evolution of same – if at all.

        And the lefties are having a love-in about it. This is why the Australian retired politician calls the left “a half-way house for the maladjusted”!!!

  • Hagen vanTronje

    “”Her apparent determination to integrate vast numbers of asylum seekers into German society won her new supporters on the left.””

    If they are genuinely Asylum Seekers then they get housed, fed, watered and go home when peace breaks out.
    The idea of snatching Asylum Seekers because your own citizens cannot be bothered to breed is quite frankly, repugnant.
    The strength of a Country lies in it’s citizens and for another Country to lure folk away by offering better conditions is a criminal act that is never punished.
    Merkel had better watch out because the German is not so forgiving as the Anglo-Saxon even though we are cousins.

    • Tom M

      Agreed, however can I add to your first point and ask why their young men and unattached young women aren’t organising themselves to go back right away and fight for their country. As opposed to our Governments discussing arrangements for our young men and women to go do it for them.

  • Here in Germany I read this morning how a Protestant church in Oberhausen is set to remove Christian crosses, altars and pulpits in order to accommodate 50 Muslim migrants who were invited to stay in the building whilst evicting those in state housing.

    • Wessex Man

      receiving e-mails from Germany, the picture being painted is bleaker by the week, this powder keg is going to blow if the German leaders don’t wake up to what’s happening in their country.

      • Kennybhoy

        Aye. Scary times… 🙁

      • goodsoldier

        Merkel has a solution, you complain, you are a neo-Nazi like those terrible Pegida people. You go to jail for hate crimes. New laws will come into creation to handle all this over the short term. Cameron is ready to pass them through without even reading them.

    • Patricia

      “….I read this morning how a Protestant church in Oberhausen is set to remove Christian crosses, altars and pulpits in order to accommodate 50 Muslim migrants …..”
      Well meaning motives perhaps but a very unwise message to send out to Muslims. How do the local population feel about this insult to their sensibilities and religion ?

      • Sue Smith

        I wouldn’t think it is even being considered, since anybody who doesn’t support population replacement isn’t given anything except a label through industrial-strength name calling.

    • Jorinde

      I’m sorry, but this is exactly how positive news get twisted in a way to create anti-refugee sentiments. In the reports that I’ve read (for example http://www.derwesten.de/staedte/oberhausen/oberhausener-kirchengemeinde-raeumt-kirche-fuer-50-fluechtlinge-id11226505.html) or on Focus.de new solutions in the current crisis were portrayed: refugees being moved to boats, halls – and yes, a church too. They had to make room, so they moved the altar (which is a mobile one anyway). It’s a practicality. Nowhere did I read anything about removing crosses.A church very close to my home (in Hamburg) was housing a group of refugees for months as far back as 2013. The church helping People in need, I think it’s one of their most basic and traditional tasks.

      • WTF

        The real question is why does the west always have to make special provisions for Islam and its sensitivities whilst Islam actually bans anything Judaic or Christian in their country. If you’re that persecuted, in fear of your life and starving without food or shelter, the last thing I would worry about is religious artifacts of another religion.

        • Jorinde

          I agree with your last sentence. Which is why I don’t understand that people are led to believe that special provisions ARE made, when in fact, they aren’t! It’s a way of creating xenophobia (“see, now we’re removing crosses from our churches” – we are not!)

          • Tom M

            Special provisions are indeed being made. How do you think they ended up in Germany coming from a war in Syria?

          • goodsoldier

            Or the war in Turkey where many have lived.

          • Vera

            Is having halal meat in schools a special provision? Seems it’s all halal whether you want it or not.

        • Johnny Dangerous

          And of course, nobody cares about the Christian refugees who have not and cannot come because they would be murdered in the migrants camps

          • WTF

            Its sickening that the west has stood by and watched Yazidis and Christians being exterminated in the middle east by Muslims when their Christian based religion and culture is completely compatible with the west but Merkel & Juncker happily want to flood the EU with that cancerous religion called Islam.

          • Hagen vanTronje

            Not just Merkel and Juncker !
            How many Pakistanis were allowed to come to Britain in the 1950’s and 1960’s ?

          • Vera

            But they have integrated, opened shops, become lawyers and doctors and generally fit in with us. The influx in 1950s and 1960s didn’t demand we change anything for them, they came here to make a new, better life for themselves. We have MPs who are 2nd generation Pakistanis.

      • Americanish

        “Earlier this month the Bishop of Stockholm told a church in her diocese to remove all signs of the cross to make the building “more inviting” for Muslim worshippers.” –

        – Express of England not Breitbart

        It is Sweden but Germany cannot be far behind.

    • Sue Smith

      Please verify your statement with proof before my blood pressure rises dangerously further.

  • zanzamander

    What Hitler couldn’t achieve with his final solution, i.e. to make Germany (and Europe) free of Jews, Merkel has managed with the feat with a far more devious plan by making Germany Islamic.

    I do not wish German people any harm when I say this but I would love to see Germany destroyed as a country and as a culture. It has inflicted unmatched pain and suffering on humanity and now with the influx of millions of Muslim migrants will get its just deserts. My wishes are all coming true in my own life time and I predict that within one generation Germany will cease to remain Germanic and will become Islamic.

    • Hippograd

      I do not wish German people any harm when I say this but I would love to see Germany destroyed as a country and as a culture.

      Are you a member of the world’s most compassionate and philanthropic ethnic minority, by any chance?

      It has inflicted unmatched pain and suffering on humanity and now with the influx of millions of Muslim migrants will get its just deserts.

      Yes, think of how little Beethoven, Goethe and Kant gave to the world compared with Karl Marx, Sigmund Freud and Herbert Marcuse.

      • Spenglersdog

        He probably works for Breitbart.

      • Kennybhoy

        “Auch liegt mir Deutschland warm am herzen. Ich habe oft einen bittern schmerz empfunden bei dem gedanken an das Deutsche volk, das so achtbar im einzelnen und so miserabel im ganzen ist.”

        – Goethe

        • Hippograd

          Welches ist der weltliche Grund des Judenthums? Das praktische Bedürfniss, der Eigennutz.

          Welches ist der weltliche Kultus des Juden? Der Schacher. Welches ist sein weltlicher Gott? Das Geld.

          — Marx.

          • Sunshine Sux

            Marx considered himself an atheist. That’s kinda the whole point of Marxist socialism. Nice try you musloid.

          • Hippograd

            Nice try you musloid.

            You need a comma before the vocative, dear. Otherwise you make yourself look semi-literate. I’m not a Musloid.

            Marx considered himself an atheist. That’s kinda the whole point of Marxist socialism.

            Mein Gott. Marx was an atheist. Who knew? Of course, if he’d been a Judeo-Christian and a follower of Judeo-Christ he’d never have said those mean things about the Jewish community:

            Was wollen wir Christen nun tun mit diesem verworfenen, verdammten Volk der Juden? (Von den Juden und ihren Lügen, Erstausgabe Wittenberg 1543, S. 92)

            … so ist uns Christen solches … keineswegs zu leiden … oder wir müssen Gott, den Vater, mit seinem lieben Sohn, der uns so teuer mit seinem heiligen Blut erkauft, mit und um der Juden willen, verlieren und ewig verloren sein. (Von den Juden und ihren Lügen, Erstausgabe Wittenberg 1543, S. 98 b)

            Wer nun Lust hat, … die ärgsten Feinde Christi, unseres Herrn, und unser aller, zu beherbergen … so lasse er ihm (= sich) auch ins Maul tun oder krieche ihm in den Hintern und bete dasselbe Heiligtum an, rühme sich danach, er sei barmherzig gewesen, habe den Teufel und seinen jungen Teufel gestärkt … So ist er denn ein vollkommener Christ, voller Werk der Barmherzigkeit, die ihm Christus belohnen wird am Jüngsten Tag mit den Juden im ewigen höllischen Feuer. (Von den Juden und ihren Lügen, Erstausgabe Wittenberg 1543, S. 96)

            Pfui euch hier, pfui euch dort, ihr verdammten Juden! (Weimarer Ausgabe LIII, S. 477 f., zit. nach Landesbischof Martin Sasse, Martin Luther über die Juden: Weg mit ihnen!, a.a.O., S. 5)

            — Richard Dawkins.

          • Hagen vanTronje

            Karl Marx had it spot on but as he was jewish, it’s not surprising.

      • Sue Smith

        Not to mention Albert Einstein.

        Please don’t mention Beethoven and Goethe in the same sentence as those other people.

        • Hippograd

          Please don’t mention Beethoven and Goethe in the same sentence as those other people.

          Why not? Surely you’re not suggesting that Marx and Freud were harmful in some way?

          • Sue Smith

            Marx and Das Kapital!! You’ve got to be kidding. And he would never have conceived this if he hadn’t read Rosseau’s naive “noble savage” theory. Look what happened to the world when this stuff was the ideological basis for a system of government!!

      • Vera

        So because Germany gave us those writers, composers and scientists we must overlook the evils of the Nazis, Hitler, the Holocaust and the millions on both sides who died in both WWs, plus the corrupt EU and Merkel?

        • Hippograd

          Where do I say we should overlook anything? Zanzamander was the one overlooking the positive and arguing for Germany to be wiped out.

    • Tom M

      Whist I agree that in the last hundred years or so that is true but remember that in the 200 years or so before that France, for example, invaded Germany at least 20 times.

    • goodsoldier

      Fine and dandy, but it is we who will pay just as much with leaders like Cameron who are in sync completely with BBC views. He has a propensity to be besotted by multi-cultural con-women like the Batmanghelidjh woman and has handed over millions without question, easily bullied by leftist tactics. He will not be able to resist the bullying and will give our money and our country over to the EU and the likes of Merkel.

      • Vera

        Our Dave really is a sh-te of the first water.

    • Vera

      Pity it’s happening so close to us.

  • zanzamander

    You have to ask yourself why are all Muslims in the Islamic countries desperate to get to Germany. I have the answer to this. You see, Hitler is seen as a hero in Islamic countries and his book “My Jihad” otherwise known as Mein Kampf is forever on their best seller list (which incidentally only has one other book on the list – can you guess which one?). People in these countries see Germany as a mother country, a people with same outlook, temperament and a pride in things, shall we say…firm, Muslims in Islamic countries feel a natural affinity towards Germans. There is a kind of commonality in their shared purposes, hopes and desires.

    That is why Muslims all feel a great calling to go and settle in Germany.

    • Richard

      This is what so many do not understand. And what country has more affinity than Syria, which will not even allow you within its borders if it suspects you have visited Israel? Syrians are amazingly anti-Semitic (anti-Jewish, for those who refute that term) and have no problem, as you say, with what happened in Germany under the Nazis. If they had their way, it would happen again. No coincidence that ISIS is successful in that country.

      • Hagen vanTronje

        Maybe when Israel gives the Golan Heights back to Syria, relations may improve ?

        • mohdanga

          All the Jews could leave Israel tomorrow, the Palestinians/Muslims would destroy the place (like they did with the Israeli infrastructure in Gaza when the Jews left), and then the Muslims would still complain that it is the Jews’ fault that they live in poverty.
          Israel gave Gaza back, the Sinai peninsula back….how’s that working out?

          • Tom M

            …….and Lebanon south of the Litani river.
            After which Hezbollah took it that they were winning and redoubled their efforts.

          • Sunshine Sux

            everything Palestinians touch, turns into shiite

        • Sunshine Sux

          Or maybe not, right now Syrians are slaughtering one another, so what the phack does Israel care, that they don’t like Jews? LOL

    • Hagen vanTronje

      Let’s not forget that the Muslims view Germany as the one land that tried to solve the jewish problem.

      • Sue Smith

        I don’t think it’s that sophisticated; they just want the freebies. But watch out all over Europe anyway, particularly if you’re Jewish.

        As I said earlier, “population replacement” is underway.

    • Sue Smith

      Germany offers the prospect of social welfare, housing and freedom. That’s the only reason immigrants are heading there from all over the world. And you’ve got to admire the German people (and now the rest of Europe) for digging deep into their own pockets, going forward into many many years, to support the rest of the world. Yes, it’s impressive; seeing your own standard of living slide away just to help and protect others. They’re wonderful people (or gulls, who don’t know when it’s daylight).

    • Fraser Bailey

      I have read that Hitler wrote Mein Kampf after reading the Koran. Does anyone know if this is true?

      It is quite astonishing that the country which killed six million of the world’s intelligent, productive and ingenious people should now seek to import millions of the world’s most useless people.

      • Vera

        Thanks for the laugh out loud moment.

    • Vera

      News to me. Well you have to laugh don’t you.

  • Isabelle

    A great, thought-provoking article that shows how fragile the notion of national identity really is. All (European) countries currently struggle to come to terms with their identity as large number of migrants cross borders. But I do think that the German case is an interesting one, and I agree with your observations. I just hope that the far right AfD and Pegida won’t win the debate. It’s a good thing for Germany to welcome refugees from Syria and other war-torn countries.

    • William_Brown

      Pegida are not far right – despite what the media would have you believe.

      • Sue Smith

        That’s right; label people and disarm them – or so the theory goes. But life isn’t theory. Watch this space.

    • mohdanga

      “It’s a good thing for Germany to welcome refugees from Syria and other war-torn countries.” Why?? No assistance offered by the Muslim petrodollar nations that border on Syria….why is that??

    • Rocksy

      The notion of European national identity is fragile because most of them have been nothing more than city states for almost all of their existence.

      • Sue Smith

        Great point!

      • Vera

        The sooner they go back to that, the better for the rest of us. Germany has been nothing but a complete pain in the a— for more than a century.

    • PaD

      Great thought provoking?
      Im sure there were lots of ‘important’ papyrus floating in the air while Rome burned too.

    • Kennybhoy

      “A great, thought-provoking article…”

      It is…

  • Caoimhín Mac Oibicín

    As a European, I honestly wish she would just hurry up and retire. She’s gone on far too long now and is more concerned with her personal legacy than the legacy she will leave for not just Germans but for Europeans. I think Frau Merkel forgets that when she opens her borders she opens Europes borders. There’s hundreds of millions of Europeans that didn’t vote the Chancellor in yet will be affected for generations by her policies.

    No politician should hold office for as long as what Frau Merkel has. She’s woefully out of touch with the majority of not just her own people, but the people of Europe. I for one am sick and tired of hearing her name, seeing her face, and being subjected to her disastrous policies. The sooner the better the German people do the whole of Europe a favour and vote in someone who is more responsible in their handling of crisis’s than what Frau Merkel has proven herself to be.

    • Moya St Leger

      Caoimhin is spot on. I lived and worked in Germany for 33 years 1960-1993 and Frau Merkel is German typical of the old, unreformed school: she believes she is right about everything all the time. Her migrant policy is indeed a disaster but she will, like all unreformed Germans, blame
      its failure on others. A secret intelligence report of recent days has predicted not just civil unrest but civil war in Germany. Caoimhin has nailed it by saying that hundreds of millions did not vote for Merkel but are now and will continue to be affected by her catastrophic policy for years to come. Well done Caoimhin.

      • Vera

        I believe you are right. Also that this is the beginning of the collapse of the EU. Unless the migration of this alien culture is halted, and I see no sign of that happening, it will cause collapse of the EU.

        • Moya St Leger

          Yes, it seems inexorable. Once again the Germans doing their thing and dragging everyone else down with them. They know they are right about everything all the time, and mysteriously for them cannot get the rest us across the world to see that!

    • Vera

      Frau Merkel knows exactly what she is doing, what she hasn’t worked out are the consequences. Why does she call the shots in the EU? The EU is not supposed to be run by one single nation. Is the EU now the 4th Reich? If Merkel wants something, it is done. If dopey Dave wants something, he is ignored. Can’t see her retiring, she will have to be ousted.

      • G. Franken

        Ignoring consequences, how can you know, what you are doing? It’s like giving a gun to a chimp. But that’s it. Conditioned like Pawlow’s dog she’s chasing her own tail in one direction, without being able to reset or even stop. The result of such kind of forced behavior has to be a kind of new GDR. That’s one aspect. Now she has seemingly reached that goal, narcistic and pseudo-religious take over and are her leading motivation. May it be the Nobel price, may it be to distract from the Greece-desaster, may it be just a dumb blonde trying out this (for her new) concept of nudging, inviting a few! cheap workers is just irrelevant. Now it’s all about narcists, who are trying to hide their unbelievable incompetence. M.’s roots led way back to the beginning of the century to warnings from scientists. Maybe Stephen Hawking would say: “She’s got no empathy.” And her followers are standing back up against the wall. You know “Ockham’s razor”? Add that she sometimes just did what she was ordered (Obama or lobbyists), a bit sociopathy and there’s not much left to explain. Hayek, socialism, austerity, M. was always trying to run on water and giving the TINA. Demographics do the rest. “Lightning Hitler” hit twice (a kind of PTSD).

  • Rocksy

    I suspect that Angela Merkel’s immigrant fiasco had more to do with her being on the short list for a Nobel prize.

    • Sue Smith

      She was not successful!! As an out of touch ex communist inhabitant, Merkel has made some dangerous decisions while not considering for one second the people of her country. Consequently, you now have “population replacement” going on in Germany and elsewhere in Europe.

    • Pip

      Indeed and believe that she is labouring under the misapprehension that the people will permit her masters (NWO Elite) to exalt her (UN Secretary General/Nobel prize etc) for her services to the agenda, I beg to differ and suggest her destiny lies closer to a prison cell.

      • Vera

        Rope & lamp post.
        As they gave the Nobel peace prize to the EU a few years ago, it is a rubbish award and in any case she didn’t win it.

        • Toy Pupanbai

          And Obama, or whatever his name is!

  • Merkel will be responsible for Germany causing the 3rd European war in 100 years.
    I’m sure next time Germany is defeated – the world will not be so nice to the Germans.

  • PaD

    The deliberate and eurowide plan to replace national identity was co-ordinated when new labour were in power…Merkel and other heads of state will have combined on this…what a bitter harvest they have sown.
    Merkel is over.

  • IAmRand

    Why is an important chap like Cameron visiting an ‘Isolationist’ country outside of the glorious EU???

  • Kennybhoy

    Fine, thoughtful article.

    • goodsoldier

      Only to totalitarians.

  • Anthorny

    Muslims won’t conform or subscribe to Germany’s Basic Law, the Federal Republic’s constitution as it is man-made law. Muslim’s believe only in their Divine Law as detailed in the Q’uran. Conforming to man-made law is forbidden to the Muslim.

    Thus Germany will soon descend into lawless chaos and will follow Sweden, which now has the highest incidences of rape per capita of any developed nation. The recent massive increase is entirely attributable to Islamic immigration.

    • goodsoldier

      Margot Wallstrom of Sweden, high school diploma. This is a MUST WATCH to know what our future is, if you can’t already guess: Margot Wallstrom Newsnight with Gavin.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cvcdsj3ZWkg

    • Toy Pupanbai

      ZDF – Islam – Effects on Germany. (Youtube)
      See the 2nd generation’s views.

  • Sunshine Sux

    Germans are pi$$ed! And rightly so.
    But the question is: will they roll over like Sweden, Britain, Belgium, or will they revolt and fight?

    • Sue Smith

      Belgium!! I was there in 2009 and again in 2001 – Brussels is a basket case. In those two short years the streets had become absolutely filthy, the city filled with people sleeping on the streets and I felt I was in central Africa. The indigenous Belgian people are all moving out to the country or to Antwerp. That’s what one disgusted woman told me while we were waiting for a train.

      • Sunshine Sux

        Brussels is nearly 35% Muslim/African Muslim.
        The Belgians I know are moving to Canada, the Jews to Israel.
        The same will happen to other European countries, emptying themselves of the indigenous and the contributing societies, and being leftover with the parasites and the ones who welcomed them. Muslims and the loony left will start eating each other, and deservingly so.

        • Sue Smith

          Population replacement does that. I would have thought 35% was a very conservative figure, based on what I saw and heard – including from angry taxi-drivers who said that their wives are working FULL TIME for LESS than immigrants get for social welfare!! It’s a ticking time bomb.

        • goodsoldier

          They are just so relieved they got rid of the European Jews so they could replace them with far less intelligent, socialist Muslims. The ends justify the means, clearly seen by Merkel’s actions. She is a good ol’ Stasi woman to the last inch.

      • Jacobi

        I was there in the 80s. North Brussels was already then a Caliphate. But I would be careful about Antwerp. I believe that is going the same way.
        There are still enclaves of Belgians in Brussels.So many Brusseloise have moved, south to Waterloo or north to Leuven.

      • Vera

        Brussels home of the EU! Brought it all on themselves, no sympathy from me.

    • goodsoldier

      They will roll over because they are scared of the Media which supports Merkel and the Left, its power to condemn them wrongfully and permanently. This article is a prime example of the propaganda we will be getting incessantly from EU fiends. Normal people despise what is going on, not fringe extremist anti-immigrant types he purports anyone who disagrees with Merkel and the Left to be. This guy Kundnani is an assh*le liar.

    • Even first generation Nigerian immigrants like myself knows what is happening. So my friend and I started prolerevolt.com to address the problems in the West and present solutions. The destruction of family, the dwindling birth rates of white nations, the economic suicide of “green” policies, the cultural degradation that has weakened Europe’s moral compass. We are odd balls alright – referred to as uncle Tom in black circles. But we just love this country and want to preserve the best part of it.
      Concerning the latest migrant a piece I wrote on what will happen if the open border immigration policies to the Middle East is not reserved can be found here. http://prolerevolt.com/2015/10/28/coronating-hitlers-heir/

  • I’ve never got the reverence for Habermas. He’d just be a pseud if he weren’t so self-deluded.

  • Terry Field

    Having lived through the caustic destruction of British culture that has happened after socialism and massive moslem immigration, I would have thought that the leaders of Germany, who have partnered with France, a country utterly transformed by the ghettoised life resulting from massive muslim immigration would have ensured their country would be protected from such decline.
    The self-hatred of the post Hitler period has guaranteed, however, that all the European states cheerlessly accept that their futures are ruined and they deserve to be so diminished.
    Pitiful, pathetic, the socialists must be dancing in the streets with joy at the collapse of the societies that so hate.

    • Cincinnatus

      For the past decade it has been fairly obvious that Islam will conquer Europe but I always expected it would be a much slower process, that would mot be complete for another century or two. Alas, thanks to Frau Merkel I shall see it in my lifetime!
      The first to submit will be Sweden, that nation can only hold out for another decade at most. As a conservative, I must confess I will experience some Schadenfreude at the spectacle of the Nordic socialist paradise, which leftists are always telling us we should emulate, becoming the first European nation ruled (not governed) by Muslims according to shariah.
      Next up will not be France, as I would have thought until very recently (and some credit must be given to the French, who do have some national pride), but instead will be Germany! The economic engine of Europe will be bankrupted by Muslim immigrants and their offspring within the next twenty years. Oh how my dear old grand dad, who fought the Germans during the war, would have chuckled at the thought of Germany being overrun by people he would have called “wogs”.
      One Germany falls the rest of Western Europe will follow.

      • Terry Field

        I think the direction of travel is as you have identified, but the twist will be the vast -completely unanticipated – numbers, who will come from Africa and the Middle East. The increase in population south and east of the Med basin is projected to be + 1,400,000,000 in fifty years.
        At least 200,000,000 will come to Europe. Most of the rest will starve to death.
        Either way, climate change and grotesque overpopulation will do for Europe, together with the horror of Islam ripping through our civilisation.

  • Jacobi

    Germany has been a problem for Europe, certainly from the time of Bismark. They have that capacity to swing from one extreme to another. But they are there, and we have to accept that.

    “Muttie” Merkel appeared to be doing well until this immediate immigrant crisis – and then not uncharacteristically, she has gone pear- shaped . She has issued what amounts to an open invitation to millions of “refugees” nearly all Muslims, to flood into Europe, something they are already doing incidently. That was crass and is a major problem for all of us.

    This Islamic immigration comes in three categories. Economic migrants, religious migrants and genuine refugees. The first two have the intent of Islamising Europe by fair means or foul , which they are required by their religion to do.

    Merkel’s decision, will come to haunts us all.

    The irony is that when the backlash comes and it will in the next 10/15 years as Islam assert its position in Europe, it will be most savage in Germany and we will be into a war which on the Muslim side in terms of terror and bombs will be utterly indiscriminate, and I’m not sure they won’t win?

    • nam

      If things got to that point, I doubt Europeans themselves would be all that ‘discriminate’. Invaders have succeeded in the past because their incredible strength. While most of these ‘refugees’ are military aged males, they are also giant cowards hence them fleeing and trying to take advantage of generous welfare.

      http://theunhivedmind.com/wordpress3/opinion-poll-almost-every-second-german-believes-mainstream-media-is-propaganda/

      http://russia-insider.com/de/ukraine/rampant-lying-german-media-exceeds-anything-uk-or-us-press/ri3399

      I keep posting these links everywhere because people don’t seem to understand the sheer difference between the media/politicians and the actual German public.

      • Jacobi

        This time its different. They intend to convert us. They are not cowards, but are here to fight to impose Islam.
        When Europeans grasp this simple fact whether Christian or Secularist they will react, but whether they will win the battle ……………….

      • Sue Smith

        I understand because I’m over 60 and have come to understand that you cannot mix oil and water. Totally agree that propaganda is a huge part of this, waged by cultural marxists and Gramscian marxists, many of whom either suck on the public teat and/or activist journalists – and you see a lot of that these days in even the ‘mainstream’ media.

        I’ve said for a long time this is social engineering, propped up by old soviet-era style politburo propaganda from the left and ‘accepted’ by the population – distracted by technology. Social engineering DOESN’T WORK. It didn’t work with the Nazis and it won’t work now. What’s happening now is POPULATION REPLACEMENT. Much of it thanks to the Left.

        I’ve just read a book written by a retired member of the Australian Labour Party where he describes The Left as “a half-way house for the maladjusted”.

        They’re hurting all of us now because we let them do it.

        • ardenjm

          I’m always interested when I read these kinds of analyses which I find, broadly, convincing.
          We’ve imported into Europe over the last 40 years almost exactly the same number of people as babies that were aborted during that time. Those babies were, for the most part, indigenous French, German, Italian, Spanish, British…
          The ‘freedom’ to abort – and, indeed, contracept – contributes more than we dare admit to the situation we now face: that of population replacement.
          We need the tax-paying base to keep us at the standard of living to which we have become accustomed. If we’re not going to make our own babies, we either decline or find someone else’s.
          So that’s what we did.

          Calling into question immigration en masse needs to be accompanied by calling into question abortion en masse, and the concomittant destruction of the stable family unit.

          Our social experimentation since the 60s has come at a price:
          That of our future.
          We can blame the bogey-man of the Cultural Marxists – why not – but the damage was actually done by the Liberal Permissive Kool-Aid they were selling: And EVERYONE bought in to that.

          • Sue Smith

            You are perfectly correct. But Cultural and Gramscian Marxists have educated huge swathes of the population (through university humanities courses) into believing they have the answer to the horrid problems of western capitalism and prosperity.

            But, space limited my ability with my earlier comments to be able to spell out two other caveats: that we must ‘populate or perish’ (and I noted this in Austria when I lived there – most people preferred dogs instead of children) and that most of the cant which is disseminated from the Kumbaya-singing left is a hang-over from the Hippy generation of the 1960’s – in all its primal ugliness and out-of-touch, renegade ideological assumptions. There; I’ve said it!

    • Vera

      10/15 years?? The way things are going, it could be months, not years.

      • Jacobi

        I am a natural optimist, Vera!

        • Toy Pupanbai

          I.E. Delusional!

          • Jacobi

            I was kidding. Much better to be a pessimist then you are rarely disappointed!

    • Islam does not fight fair. Islam can supply an endless supply of suicide (smart) bombers who will overwhelm the general population.

      The process is slow and bloody. The end result is complete Islamization. Just look at Afghanistan. Before Islamization, it was a Hindu/Buddhist part of greater India.

      Germany and Western Europe are nearing the tipping point. It is hard to imagine any scenario that does not have some degree of Islamic civil war in the short term future. When Muslims represent 20% of Europe’s population bloodshed is inevitable.

      Europe’s progressive politicians have had it too good for too long. They have lived free of outside threats on the back of American forces. Their asinine belief in “multiculturalism” is a failed suicidal fantasy.

      • Jacobi

        You have to understand Islam. It was thought up by a deranged contradicting mind. But regardless of contradiction any approach can be considered by them as orthodox . It is up to them.
        Then can peacefully evangelise, or massacre, or enslave etc. And if one doesn’t work they can try and will try something else. They are obliged to Islamise us. So yes, war will come and it will not be pleasant.

      • porcelaincheekbones

        Simple – starve em out. Siege tactics. Cut off their benefits.

  • Jenki

    Hans Kundani concludes his article thus: ” When the Merkel era does finally come to an end, it is not at all clear what kind of country she will leave behind.

    Well it rather depends on just how long before the immigration crisis or the demise of the EU brings her down. I’m guessing that by the time she goes Germany will be well on the way to becoming a de facto Islamic Republic.

  • Terence Hale

    Hi,
    “Angela Merkel will survive – but will the soul of post-war Germany”. In mathematics the root of a polynomial is a zero of the associated polynomial function. Fr. Merkel’s problem is her roots. Grown up in the DDR, the once communist East German here lay the decline of her popularity. The
    simple reason being immigration. In addition there too Bavaria a front line state whose politics prop up Fr Merkel’s CDU have the same problem.

  • Stumps

    Angela might survive,white guilt and all that,but I don’t think Europe will.

    • Sue Smith

      Great point.

  • vb

    Excellent article. I agree that Merkel will survive for a while because the only alternative is a coalition of SPD with greens and lefties. That is not too appetizing to people who are critical of immigration.

  • Eva Graham

    Angela Merkel is too long in power of this Fourth Reich.Literally Germans hijckaked the power through Brussels.
    It’s one think to dictate monetary policies and quite another to bully others, who don’t agree with her anarchy when it comes
    to migrants .Germany atrocities are still remembered, in all over Europe. Now jeopardizing countries sovereignty ,respecting their wishes to decide who they want to live with… if they don’t comply bullying and harrasment with financial penalties. What happened to DEMOCRACY in Europe? Germany is hurting terribly today’s Europe and even more our children and grandchildren.
    Since Muslims will outnamber them,future of these kids is in Islamic Caliphate of EUROPE.

    • Copyright101

      We’ve heard enough from the likes of you (((Eva))).

      • Eva Graham

        Bite me!

    • Toy Pupanbai

      Countries that join the EU, have No Sovereignty!

  • cd

    The fact that the Italians had a government of technocrats imposed on them, the Greeks have lost any power to set their own tax laws, Ireland had to get its budgets vetted by German ministers and now Portugal who voted in the majority for parties that want to leave the Euro and the EU, have been told they can’t form a coalition government of said parties would suggest that the EU is antidemocratic. I am not anti-Europe I’m anti EU for the exact reasons that it is a corrupt bureaucracy.

    And yes one could say that all those nations were bought and sold by the EU using German money but in the end sovereignty comes from the people not the politicians that sign the agreements.

  • Sue Smith

    This letter has just been published today in one of Australia’s biggest and most influential daily papers, the Sydney Morning Herald – usually sympathetic to the Left: this shows how much sentiment has changed about beautiful, suffering ‘refugees’ from the Muslim community and the empty ‘celebration of difference’. The people have stopped singing Kumbaya – at last!!!!!

    “Europe’s turn to the political right is a warning call to those of us here in Australia who reject the empty dogma that celebrates “difference” as an end in itself (“Refugee influx turns Europe to the right”, November 2).

    Any meaningful debate about integration has been silenced by an unthinking adherence to the faddish intellectual currents that swept through academia through the eighties and thereafter, giving us not only an empty cultural relativity, but encouragement to cultural and religious systems in this country that in practice reject these very same currents.

    The subsequent silencing of so many voices, due to accusations of racism and related of repression, is only resulting in the right gaining an advantage it wouldn’t ordinarily have.”

    • a spot on analysis, though you sound dismayed about the rise of the “right”…though I would argue that the rise is of the nationalists. The nationalists umbrella is far for broader than the Conservative umbrella.
      I predict there would be another Hitler-esque demagogue of a series of them if trends continue in Europe.

      • Sue Smith

        I’m not dismayed, nor surprised; it’s just another evolution of rejection from a constituency based on the overwhelming loss of confidence in the polity and fear about what is going to happen next.

        Somehow the western world has developed canards which buttress the notion that demagoguery cannot happen to it in this day and age; that because of past experience and more ‘enlightened’ thinking it will have to guard against a resurgent Right – not a hate-fuelled Left. These ideas are mostly promulgated through the Left in universities which have imbued a sense of hubris in the educated class that it is they, and they alone, who will determine what is right and desirable in society – and not the whole community of voters; those last are just, after all, the great unwashed. These matter relate not just to immigration but to same-sex marriage, climate change, the future of capitalism, human rights and other so-called “progressive” ideas.

        Look how the demonstrators against immigration are often described as “far right” and demonized as ignorant trash who threaten the status quo – and lets be clear; the status quo is THEIR view of what is a status quo. These protestors are often demonized as either disturbed, extremist, unemployed, anti-social – you name it. When the Left turns out en mass to protest about the protesters and they clash, suddenly the Left is doing good (despite all the violence which ensues because of that on the day!), cleansing the streets of “the far right”. This will not stand because THEY say so.

        • kingkevin3

          You are entirely correct, but I’m afraid the “left” you refer to has an awful lot to do with the feminisation of western democracies. Men behave more like women today and women behave more like men. One idealogy you missed is HIV/AIDS. December the 1st will be upon us soon and god help those of us who challenge this rubbish theory, worse in many ways than the ideology of CAGW. In a less feminised society irrational crap like this just wouldn’t survive one week of critical analysis.

  • john lord

    I really can’t understand why the Germans have opened their gates to so many Muslims. If they needed more young labour because of their demography, there’s plenty available futher south and east of a more culturally compatible kind. It just does not make sense.
    And as for Sweden, the way they seem so keen to take in all and sundry, maybe there is some truth behind the dumb blond steriotype, and if they continue on allowing them all in, blondes may becoming a minority there – dumb or otherwise.

  • Retired Nurse

    The ‘Hartz Konzept’ behind Germany’s unemployment ‘miracle’ involved turning Job Centres into employment agencies – you are found work with an employer, and the pittance you earn is deducted from their version of ‘universal credit’ (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartz_concept ). Ian Duncan Smith is attempting to copy it without the mandatory workfare job aspect – which is why it is doomed to fail here.
    It doesn’t even ‘work’ in Germany – their books have been balanced by VW – it seems that 1 million people have been subjected to the same sort of random , target driven benefit ‘sanktions’ regime that IDS has used in the UK (see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYExVrwgVsY ).
    German people are somewhat tired of being called ‘Nazis’ whenever they complain about taking migrant workers in when so many of their own children are unable to find work , or afford rents without benefits. I cannot see Merkel staying in her job for much longer.

  • BruceT

    Merkel’s handling of the immigration crisis? She caused the immigration crisis!

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