Rod Liddle

Gunboats are the humanitarian answer to Libya's refugee crisis

25 April 2015

9:00 AM

25 April 2015

9:00 AM

More than a thousand migrants have died attempting to get into Europe over the past week, including 900 who perished horribly, trapped in the hold of a Tunisian ship near the Libyan coast. Many thousands have died before and many thousands will die in the near future attempting the same venture unless we in Europe change our policies. Everybody is agreed that something has to be done.

For the liberal left, the answer is to sack Katie Hopkins, a fellow columnist of mine at the Sun. Not just sack her but also prosecute her and prosecute the editor of the Sun. More than 200,000 people have signed a petition got up by someone called Izzy Saunders demanding her removal from the paper because she wrote something with which they disagreed. Hopkins had written an article saying that we shouldn’t let the migrants in, that she felt no pity for them and that they were ‘cockroaches’. Seeing the news reports about the 900 dead, then, the liberal left did not send money or aid, or get up a petition to demand action to save the lives of future migrants: its response was to salve its own conscience by trying to destroy the career of someone it disagreed with.

I do not agree with Hopkins that the migrants are ‘cockroaches’ — although she meant it in the sense that they were indestructible, and had clearly written the piece before the latest tragedy — and I do feel pity for them. A lot of pity. But calling Hopkins a ‘Nazi’ and putting her in jail is just the liberal left once again trying to feel good about itself, and stamping its little feet and — as usual — trying to restrict freedom of speech.


Would jailing Katie Hopkins save the lives of Europe-bound migrants? I have my doubts. Others on the liberal left ignored Hopkins and simply demanded action, while castigating the British government and offering no solution. The reliably idiotic Dan Hodges, for example, asserted that government policy was directly responsible for the horrible deaths of those 900 people. Did he suggest what we should do about it? Nope. And the Labour leader Ed Miliband made a hugely useful contribution with a tweet saying that the people who died were among the poorest in the world and something should be done. I suppose if they had been moderately affluent it would have been less of a tragedy, Ed, you halfwit. Again, with Hodges and Miliband and the ludicrous Izzy Saunders, the response was all about infantile attitudinalising, nothing more than a wish to tell everybody else that they care more than every-body else and that therefore they are right.

Here’s the deal. There are two ways in which we can act to prevent future boatloads of migrants from drowning in the Mediterranean, and only two ways. Let them all in, or stop them trying to come. Letting them all in would certainly save more lives in the short term. It would require us to send comfortable and seaworthy boats to Libya, Syria, Tunisia and so on and allow on board anyone who wished to come, perhaps for a small nominal fee. The boats would be equipped with medical facilities and also security officers, to prevent the Muslim passengers trying to murder everyone else. That would be humane and it would undoubtedly prevent deaths at sea — and if the liberal left advanced this argument one could at least respect the logic. I think it would cause a few problems: million upon million upon million of people would come and by teatime on day one the countries of Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and most of the Sahel would be virtually deserted, just the occasional black flag left waving in the desert breeze. I don’t think we want that. But if Dan and Izzy and Ed do want that, they should say so. And think about how we might deal with the consequences.

Because there is no middle way. Sending a few more boats to float around the Med looking for people to rescue is an absurd answer and would surely lead to many more deaths. It would be like a vast aquatic version of It’s A Knockout: will the patrol boat near Sicily reach the dinghy near Capri before it capsizes and everyone dies? Oh dear no, just a few days too late — and the Somalians played their joker! Jeux sans frontières indeed. Again, the only people who advance this answer are those who do not wish to save more lives, they simply want to feel better about themselves. They are not remotely interested in outcomes, only about trying to show other people that they care.

Stopping people trying to come here is, for me, the better solution (and is basically the one advanced by the Evil Nazi Hellhound, Katie Hopkins). Make it clear there will be no rescues at all and that anyone who succeeds in reaching Europe will be sent straight back to where they came from. These traffickers set out expecting that there is a good chance they will be rescued, so remove that possibility from the equation. Use armed boats to drive back the traffickers. Make it even more clear that refugees who apply for asylum legally will always take precedent over those who come here in a cast-iron bath tub captained by some predatory Tunisian scumbag. Those who come illegally by boat will never get asylum. This stuff all works, and we have the Australian example for evidence. Their prime minister, Tony Abbott, introduced this tough approach in 2014. In the previous two years 35,000 people arrived in Australia from Sri Lanka, Indonesia, Malaysia and the Philippines. And there were countless deaths at sea. Six months of the get-tough policy and there was not a single ‘people-smuggling venture’, as the Australians put it.

Will we feel better about ourselves? Probably not. But lives will undoubtedly be saved.

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  • Rik

    Once again Rod the perfect reasoned rational answer,its a binary solution set,either let them all in and end Western civilisation or let none of them in save lives and give them the incentive to improve the pestholes they are fleeing.
    The bleeding hearts just want to wring their hands,show their “pain” and their moral virtue with no solutions,their wilful blindness in the face of the huge success of the Australian solution is just moral cowardice.

    • right1_left1

      Re bleeding hearts I think the BBC lead correspondent ( african heritage) reporting the tragedy was bleeding so much he was in danger of crumplig into a bloodless heap.

      Not a stiff upper lip to be seen.

      • Verbatim

        And we’re expected to publicly bleed with these people. Ask Jesus Christ (when you get to heaven) how helpful bleeding was for Him!!

        • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

          You aren’t .you are in in Austrai and haven’t been to England since before decimalisation ,you out of touch twerp.

    • jim

      Agreed.Besides,what have they ever done for us?

      • CommonSense Matters

        Jim rhymes with dim. Are you dim Jim?

        • jim

          He’s right you know.It does rhyme..We better be careful with this one.He seems very quick.

          • Dogsnob

            Bless him, his bubble-wrap is all popped and his crayons all need sharpening so until the carer comes, he is on his laptop.

          • Verbatim

            Yes, he’ll have a carer – it’s call the Labor Party.

          • Dogsnob

            Best of luck with that one!

    • Tron

      Yes Rod is correct but does he think that voting Labour , as he intends to do, will help the situation?

    • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

      Of course UKIP wants to stop all Governemtn overseas aid. At a time when Islamic fundamentalists have made it too risky for Aid agencies and charities to offer proper help in much of Sub Saharan Africa ,it is inevitable that the local population will go and look for better.
      We can choose now to deal with the crisis in a giant holding pen in lawless Libya, a massive internment camp in Sicily or at source back in Eritrea, Somalia, Sudan etc with realistic military support to the Aid agencies.

      • Verbatim

        I think we need a ‘giant holding pen’ for the hydra-headed monster which is Stuart-Hargreaves.

        • Tom M

          Quite agree Verbatim. When you read posts of the Stuart-Hargreaves variety you have to wonder where these people get these daffy ideas from.
          Not so long ago (in historical terms) their political soul-mates were either screaming for the Western colonists to get out of just about everywhere in Africa in order to allow self determination or screaming for military intervention to prevent humanitarian crises. Now that we’ve had some of their military intervention, self determination clearly isn’t working (did it ever?) and the results are arriving in Europe by the thousand they are suggesting we should go back and corral their unhappy populations into holding pens backed up by military muscle. Which of course these unhappy self-determining countries will be happy to allow.

          • Verbatim

            The take-home message is that the loonies are always “screaming” about something. Long as they don’t have to pay, aye, because most of these types haven’t got a brass razoo.

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            Wrong on that one. I believe we European powers should have stayed in Africa for the betterment of those people.

          • Verbatim

            You’ve missed your calling as a missionary and evangelist.

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            I am interested in why you get so cross and why all you have to offer is insults.Bovine, loonies, monster, mugs etc… Come up with a lucid argument and some facts you shallow bottom feeder.

          • John.c.curtis

            Missionaries deserve to be eaten.

          • Tom M

            That’s a slightly off centre paternal left wing view. The standard left wing view is to allow free-determination.
            The great problem with your view is that the various countries in Africa made it quite clear they wanted the white man out and have largely achieved this (think Rhodesia or South Africa here).
            I presume you would intend we, the Western powers, remained in Africa to run the place for them and to make sure they knew what was good for them bring along a few divisions of military might to emphasise the point. I can see that being welcomed with open arms by the Africa’s political classes and being a resounding success probably heralding in a continuous terrorist war.
            The Western Colonial powers come to the conclusion well before WW1 that colonialism was a bad idea. Thinking around that period was the puppet state idea where the state in question run itself with the colonial power supporting it behind the scenes and being in prime position for infrastructure contracts etc (something like what the US did in Iraq).
            I think that left leaning humanitarian adventures should be restricted to médecin sans frontiers and other aid programmes. Anything else always has an unintended outcome.

          • John.c.curtis

            If you’d never colonised Africa at all, none of these problems would have happened. Learn your history!

      • Verbatim

        Listen up, Hydra. Everybody has to solve his/her own problems. The healthy young men fleeing their countries, deserting their families, are the very people who should be fighting to save their countries. They are like rats deserting a sinking ship. I’ve got to keep repeating the message because Hydra’s are notoriously deaf and cloth-eared.

        • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

          First cockraches, now rats. You are a grim little clique of haters aren’t you?

          • Verbatim

            Another one of your projections!!

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            Yet another empty response.Nothing to say here, move along.

          • Noa

            You don’t demonstrate any justification for love, just reflex socialist abuse against a case of unarguable logic.

      • Jen The Blue

        The Muslim world will be a violent, lawless mess until it either rejects Islam or reforms it. But to reform it would be to criticise their violent, sadistic and perverted prophet………the punishment for which is death…..so I don’t see a reformed Islam emerging any time soon.

        • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

          I think it will take another two generations of pain to get a full Islamic Reformation

          • Jen The Blue

            I wish I shared your optimism. But the theological reasons Islam is so hard to reform are huge. I won’t write an essay on the problem now, but whereas the Bible is interpretable, the Koran is the dictated word of Allah and Mohammed’s life and all he did, is considered perfect. Anyone who says otherwise is insulting the Prophet and hey, the punishment for that is to lose your head. The Prophet said so.

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            I do not disagree, but getting more of them westernized helps dilute the hatred that drives it.Plus they have many fewer kids here than if they had stayed abroad

          • Jen The Blue

            I would answer that with a qualified “I agree”.
            I am sure that there is a much higher proportion of people who say they are Muslims living in the west who ignore the more unsavoury, vicious and supremacist aspects of Islam than there are in say the Middle East.
            But there are a lot of educated, westernized Muslims that swallow the crap about Mohammed.

          • Verbatim

            Same with Christianity, only they don’t blow people up if they disagree.

          • Pacificweather

            All our pilots are atheists?

          • Verbatim

            I’m still waiting for them to holla “Ali Akhbar”!!

          • Pacificweather

            I think it is entirely possible that they will. Shia not Sunni.

          • Pacificweather

            Or possibly Alluha Akbar. Christians kill Muslims. The Lion King returns. Do you remember that his ransom was more than the national GDP. Wars and debts. It seems we never learn.

          • Tom M

            Interesting, what I think you are describing though is a standard distribuiton curve for an Islamic group. The fact that it is more apparent in the West is only a comment upon the strictness of religious societies elsewhere.
            I venture to say that if, for example, the UK became more Islamicised those Muslims who are more or less indifferent to Islam in the UK would suddenly become more devout. It’s just they are more free to express themselves as they wish in the West. It doesn’t mean however that they aren’t core Muslims as the recent survey showed when asking who supported the Charlie Hebdo murders.

          • Verbatim

            Again, we need the evidence. You keep saying this. Numbers, statistics, evidence please. Don’t have them? Didn’t think so.

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            I have plenty which do you need to clarify your ignorance?

          • vieuxceps2

            But they don’t have fewer kids here, do they?Not fewer than we do anyway,and that my Hydra is the problem. Just think of all those little Lutfur Rahmans there’ll be!

          • PaD

            but getting more of them westernized helps dilute the hatred that drives it…?

            7/7 Lee Rigby …..Anjem Choudary Tower Hamlets.. it’s not called Londonistan for nothing

          • PaD

            pain for everyone

      • secretpeople

        >>Of course UKIP wants to stop all Government overseas aid.

        You’re knowingly telling lies again..

        UKIP’s manifesto proposes reducing down overeas aid to 0.2% GNP. This will bring it into line with spending by the USA – hardly a paltry amount.

        The projected overseas aid budget under UKIP would be 4.7Bn in 2015-16, rising to 11.09Bn by 2019-20.

        Furthermore, rather than line the pockets of consultants and corrupt despots, UKIP propose prioritising emergency relief, healthcare, inoculation against preventable diseases and clean water and sanitation programmes.

        Please try to remember this so that I don’t have to correct your misinformation again.

        • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

          UKIP is piss poor at maths. GDP is now under £1700 billion, so 0.2% would be £3.4 billion not £4.7 Billion.Plus somehow you expect GDP to rise to £5,500 billion in four years time so as to pay £11 billion in Aid.
          Shame I had to correct your misinformation, liar.

          • Verbatim

            Whereas the Abacus Hydra knows all about calculations; it just doesn’t seem to be able to apply these to rational argument, that’s all.

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            Which bit of my maths above was wrong kipper? When will UK GDP hit £5.5 trillion?……..just another Faridge lie.

          • Verbatim

            We want your statistics to prove that Muslims reduce the number of children they have once they arrive in western countries. You cannot provide this evidence because it just isn’t true. Maybe in 100 years you might see this, but not in the age of arranged marriages, genital mutilation and suppression of the rights of women.

            Get a grip now.

          • secretpeople

            >>UKIP is piss poor at maths
            ..but are the IFS, who have endorsed their financial plan?

            >>Plus somehow you expect GDP to rise
            from the savings made by not contributing billions to the EU each year and other well-documented axes to fall on vanity projects

            >>so as to pay £11 billion in Aid.
            So you do admit UKIP will not be stopping all overseas aid?

          • vieuxceps2

            “I” had to ? Are there not more of you than one?

    • pp22pp

      There is now a term for this repulsive moral posturing – virtue signalling.

      • Verbatim

        I like it!! A lot of the left’s moral posturing is predicated on the notion that society doesn’t know what’s good for it and it’s up to them to point the way. The rest of the people aren’t mugs and they’re very alert to this kind of rubbish going down and, tell you what, they’re over it.

        So what remains; middle class people who’ve had an education which has provided them with an “answer” (by God, I’ve found plenty of experience in what I’ve studied at university and I know the answers!!!) and a mouth full of advice to the rest of the great unwashed. You know, the majority of taxpayers who fund their childrens’ educations.

        Finally, there’s the ‘security’ of being with a herd and participating in group-think.

        • Pacificweather

          When you write of the left pointing the way I presume you are thinking of them being the first to volunteer to fight fascism before the rest of the world joined them.

          • Verbatim

            This didn’t happen, because fascism is the other side of the same coin as communism – both extremism and to be avoided like the plague.

          • Pacificweather

            So you agree that the left was more prescient than the right?

          • Pacificweather

            Spanish Civil War denier? That’s a new one for the book.

          • zlatapraha

            Like clichés

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            You ignorant prat. I guess you never heard of or read about the Spanish Civil War.

          • PaD

            you mean the one where nuns were raped by some communist splinter group?

    • Verbatim

      Thank you. I am Australian and I know how our Minister struggled under the crushing criticism of the loony left who offered no solutions, just hand-wringing and bleeding hearts. These lefties are really a dangerous mob.

      • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

        Australian, but he has lived in Vienna since 1971. So clearly knows all about the UK ,how we live and our socio-demographics, in spite of never setting foot here in 44 years.

        • PaD

          I assume he can read and watch television..or even use the internet! he’s off to a good start anyway speaking English

    • Mike

      Indeed. The more of these people we let in, the more Tower Hamlets we will have.

      Far from letting more in, I would be looking to get rid of any islamist asylum seeker we have let in.

      Now, about Tower Hamlets…

      • Callan

        Don’t worry, it will work itself out when Dave gets his wish to have very few white faces in Parliament, an Asian Prime Minister and the Tories becoming the party of the ethnic “minorities”.

    • Brogan75

      As an Italian, i totally agree. However the Australian solution is of little help here in my opinion. Libya has no government at the moment (not a stable one at least) so you can’t simply tow the boats back and ask them politely to take care of the situation. Our gov’t (Berlusconi) had an agreement with Gheddafi, it was working. Then someone (Mr. Cameron, Mr Sarkozy, Mr Nobel price Obama)) decided to remove Gheddafi and leave forever. The only way is to use the Navy. If EU is washing their hands, well it is a matter of borders, and Italian borders should be defended by Italy: use the Navy, sink the (empty) boats before they leave. Don’t give back the boats if one manages to reach the shores (yes italian gov’t was giving back the boats to the Libyans!). The Libyan guard coast (seriously?) has anything to say? teach them something about life. Someone else bombed other countries for way less.

      • Toy Pupanbai

        You don’t ask Libya to take them back. You send/tow, whatever, them to the shore and destroy the boat.
        It has to be understood that there is an inexhaustible supply of these people.
        If they combined the money they give to traffickers, they could build a commercial society for themselves.
        To try to accept all will destroy them and us!

        • Spotty Fellow

          That is the key, stop asking permission. Take them back to point of departure, put them ashore and burn the boat. It might be just an Australian thing but we have a saying “apologies are cheaper than permissions.”

  • Violin Sonata.

    Katie Hopkins only said ( although colourfully) what right minded people with any
    sense are thinking. Instead we have this garbage spouting out of the mouths of
    bleeding heart lefties.
    There are those who continuously endeavour to turn the West into the third world
    enough is enough. As others have said I agree with the Australian solution.

    • Jonny Bradbury-Birrell

      No, right minded people don’t think other human beings are ‘cockroaches’. And that has very little, if anything, to do a persons politics, religion, sexual orientation or any other slant readers can come up with for wanting The Sun to dispense with Katie Hopkins services.

      • Miss Floribunda Rose

        Many Muslims regard homosexuals, Jews, Yazidis, Christians and atheists as cockroaches. They have tossed off many homosexuals, from high buildings…….

        • Rabbit_Samson

          Are you mental? It’s not ISIS that are drowning in the boats. Arguing that just because IS, a minority murderous caliphate, consider various faiths and people cockroaches makes it alright for Katie Hopkins to do the same isn’t really an argument is it?

          • justsomeone

            Here’s a solution: don’t buy the Sun and if you do, don’t read her columns.

          • wince

            Rabbit S, you make some fair points re the migrants, but I think you also make some presumptions. Of course they are not cockroaches, they are humans. Sadly, their ideology betrays a want of humanity in its values and sets them out as wholly incompatible with and substantively harmful to the West – as has been seen. Granted, the boats are not full of members of ISIS, but there are clearly a fair number of other equally zealous co-religionists amongst them, as evidenced by the murdered Christians.

            The advent of ISIS has, to some degree, been a convenient Aunt Sally for the MSM, the lib-left elites, Islamic apologists and Islamists; in the case of the latter, to mitigate their own extremism by claiming, ‘see, we’re not as bad as that….just a minority of malcontents…not real Muslims…etc & etc.’ Well, you’ll forgive me for not celebrating the great humane conscience in your preference over decapitation by the sword, for hanging, stoning, and throwing perceived wrongdoers to their deaths.

            The fact is, mainstream Islam is, by nature, an extremist dogma and even its so-called moderates are, when value-compared with the universal definition of ‘moderate’, quite intolerant and illiberal. ISIS has everything to do with Islam, and represents, perhaps, a very honest iteration of it. The truth is, in moral absolutes, you can’t get a fag-paper between ISIS and Hamas; or ISIS and the Wahabbist Saudis; or ISIS and the theo-fascist Mullahs of Iran.

            A couple of questions that might be put to aspirant immigrants: ‘So you wish to emigrate for a better life in a better place? Very well. in order to keep that better place better, will you comply with the request that you leave your unreconstructed religion and its dogma at the door, irrespective of your claim to not have the slightest inclination of becoming radicalised? It is of record that even in self-identifying moderately devout followers, this can never be ruled out’.

          • Rabbit_Samson

            Thank you for at least acknowledging my human conscience, albeit it mockingly, in the course of making me wrong to make yourself right.

            I don’t feel the need to apologise for it – nor necessarily explain what motivates it, but nevertheless, it does have a context which is far greater than merely disproving this assumption you’ve made that I am somehow an apologist for violent extremists, and a lib-left elite.

            The honest truth behind this new found morality (because I have been an fabulously uncaring c*** in the past) was reading about the life and times of Don McCullin, a war photographer whose work I greatly admire in his book Shaped By War..

            Don McCullin covered most of the major conflicts of our times: The Cold War, Vietnam, Biafra, Angola, Northern Ireland, Lebanon. You throw Christianity into your piece as if its a magnificent, redemptive religion that trumps all others. In Beirut, McCullin took a famous picture of the absolutely brutal Christian Phalange playing the lute over a murdered Palestinian during the massacres they carried out there. If you flick on, he then found mentally ill children chained to their beds in an evacuated hospital shelled by the Israelis. Every image he took at the forefront of conflict shows the terrible cost of war.

            Now the only common denominator in all that bloodshed and gore he covered in over 40 years isn’t religion alone: far less Wahhabism or even Islam. Some of the currency is the same: power, politics, corruption, hate but the unifying theme is mans inhumanity to man.

            Now no doubt like me, and you, McCullin will be repulsed and reviled by the sheer unadulterated evil of ISIS. It is evil, inhumane and contemptible and should be condemned. By everyone, not just the ‘West’ who you assume has a monopoly on moral outrage. And the minority who carry out those barbarous acts will only remain a minority if people like you and Katie Hopkins restrain from making these bloody great broad brush strokes about it being the whole of an ancient civilisation that’s to blame.
            Not only is it idiotic and narrow minded, it’s dangerous.

            Don McCullin spent his life in the most harrowing situations taking pictures of human misery so we wouldn’t have to. As most of the newspapers he worked for attest to, he was ferocious and fearless. I couldn’t think of anyone braver you could dismiss as being a bloody lily livered liberal for caring about what man did to man.

            So the next time you feel compelled to make glib statements about peoples’ human conscience; you’d do well to remember that compassion takes more courage than hate. And all your barely concealed self righteous anger, that’s just the noise your fear makes. A fear of facing a moral dilemma and doing the christian thing? Prejudice can be just as barbarous, when placed in the hands of people who don’t know right from wrong.

          • Verbatim

            You are quite right.

        • Verbatim

          Two wrongs don’t make a right though, do they? Perhaps this is the one thing which separates us from Muslims and is a major reason why their coming to live in the west is so problematic/undesirable. It’s a legitimate argument. This is the kind of discussion which is needed, not name-calling and violent behaviour which is endemic to the religion of Islam (as promulgated by extremists in their midst).

          • Miss Floribunda Rose

            Two wrongs don’t make a right, but three wrongs do…….

          • Verbatim

            Only an abacus could make such a calculation!

          • Rabbit_Samson

            Exactly. Two wrongs don’t make a right. But lets not overcook it on the Muslim front. There are plenty of potty ideologies that have some equally unpleasant views that are just as uncivilised and inhumane as Katie Hopkins.

            And lets not forget that popularising silly racist views like Katie’s only feeds extremist ire. ISIS recruitment drive is based purely on appealing to the disenfranchised across the world, made so by such unedifying remarks comparing them to cockroaches and such like. That is the real irresponsibility of The Sun – giving over it’s very powerful platform to someone to make inflammatory, flippant comments that could easily fuel further hate and violence.

            Everyone here has the right to be concerned and opposed about the strain opening doors to immigrants fleeing their home countries puts on this nation – and you’re correct in that what should set us apart is our ability to have reasonable and rational debate rather than stoop to name-calling, and writing pointless invective. Then justifying it like quarreling kids..”well he said that first”….

          • Verbatim

            Yes, sometimes it’s difficult not to use reductive name-calling because some people are just so silly and ridiculous with ideas right out of the Pravda handbook of “world’s most famous non-notions”.

          • Rabbit_Samson

            No prizes for guessing you gave the Debating Society a miss then. Great contribution. Thanks. How do you answer inquisitive children? With ‘just because’?

          • Verbatim

            Something like that. And how do you know all about ‘just because’?

    • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

      I assume you consider yourself right minded with some sense. are you also modest and self -effacing and able to embrace criticism?
      ……..thought not, just a tosser.

      • Miss Floribunda Rose

        Many Muslims are tossers. They toss their victims off. From the highest buildings.

        • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

          They drop them off, not toss them off. To toss involves lobbing upwards. Not really possible with a 12 stonebloke tied to a 20 pound chair. Drop. not toss.

          • Miss Floribunda Rose

            I myself would much prefer to be tossed off rather than dropped off or lobbed off or even fobbed off by the apologists for the Religion of Peace. Besides which, tossing off a 12 stone bloke tied to a 20 pound chair sounds far too kinky for my liking, even if he is lobbed upwards rather than tossed downwards. Finally, some Muslims are rather too fond of tossing off Christians from boats, whilst cruising in the Med. I rest my case. This matter is now closed.

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            You may prefer to be tossed off, but the Muslim nutters may not oblige. I understand they tend to drop. They are careful not to appear to be tossers.

          • Miss Floribunda Rose

            Hi-di-hi (and ho-di-ho).

          • vieuxceps2

            I’ll mention that to avictim as they take him uo un the lift. He WILL be pleased

        • vieuxceps2

          And from boats…..don’t hear much from lefty about that, do we?

      • Rabbit_Samson

        Sorry, I don’t quite get the random name calling. Is it me you’re calling a tosser?

        • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

          No.

          • Cyril Sneer

            So you were talking about yourself…. good, that’s really good progressing you’re making.

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            What time is it there Cyril?

          • Verbatim

            Time for your medication.

      • Verbatim

        Oh dear, another “projection” from the Hydra. A typical lefty who has a sense of “their” own moral vanity. Puts you ahead of the pack. There’s a word for this in my lexicon:

        SMUG.

        • alfredo

          No, sorry. The hargreaves pantomime horse has told us that he is/ they are ‘modest’. And since everything it says is ipso facto, de jure, and ex cathedra true and right, it must be so.

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            No, just based on well considered fact …as oposed to UKIPs preference for saying any old thing that comes into their tiny heads.

          • Verbatim

            Yet, you haven’t provided ONE SCINTILLA of evidence to support your whacky ideas.

      • Verbatim

        Straight out of the Pravda book of “non ideas” and “non-relevance”. Give some loonies a good question and an idea and they run away faster than Wylie Kyote. Beep Beep.

        You’re idea of “right minded” – again, that’s such a subjective, value-laden term isn’t it – is YOU MUST AGREE WITH ME if you’re to be right- minded.

        We should strenuously resist the ideas like this from the Thought Police, Morality Controllers and post-modern relativists.

      • Verbatim

        I’m wondering why the comma is there after ‘not’; it’s actually incoherent as it stands. “Years of study” aye? Not that it shows….

    • Verbatim

      An Australian thanks you for that compliment. I can assure you the then Minister suffered terribly from the slings and arrows of the bleeding left and its minions but the people were tremendously grateful. That Minister has been moved to another problem-solving portfolio (Social Welfare) because he has the smarts and won’t be beaten down by minority groups screaming over a megaphone. Everywhere you went, during that crisis, people would willingly say they were glad the government acted the way it did because we were entitled to have control of our borders – not the people smugglers.

      And now Europe is looking at our success and wondering how it can be copied. I’ll tell you: get a government with guts and a minister unafraid of vicious and vile lefty activism. You know, the “all care no responsibility” cabal. When it all goes pear-shaped these same people dust themselves down, brush their hands together and say, “what’s all the fuss about?”. (Just like the classic Borderline sufferer, actually.)

  • shonshu2

    The very image of the woman would probably dissuade immigrants. Maybe they could plaster her face over ports of entry.

    • Miss Floribunda Rose

      These “refugees” would probably like to stick the poor cow’s head in a burka. Aware of this, poor Katy is opposed to their arrival on our shores. And who, in all honesty, can blame her?

  • The Bogle

    With war waged by Islamist fanatics from Nigeria across western and northern Africa, across the Middle East and into Pakistan and Afghanistan set to continue for many years, and with the exploding birthrate in these territories, migrants are going to be with us for a long time. But would any politician say ‘enough is enough’ for fear of being branded racist?

    As for gesture politics, I am reminded of how, when that tsunami hit southern Asia about ten years ago, the Americans diverted ships from one of its fleets to the area to offer material help. Brussels consulted for a week before requiring schools across the EU to hold a three-minute silence.

    • ChrisTavareIsMyIdol

      If people don’t want to be run by the murderous ISIS scumbags I suggest they pick up a rifle and shoot a few. It would do us all a favour. I’d happily contribute taxes towards training and arming them.

      • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

        In what scenario do you see a gang of about 50,000 Muslim ideologues who terrorise locals in Syria and Iraq using vans , axes and some machine guns, overunning the EU and the USA with a combined population of one billion and over 70% the World’s armed forces?

        • Miss Floribunda Rose

          They breed like cockroaches. One day they may take over, especially if we don’t stop them crossing the Med! Hopkins is, as always, correct.

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            At a rough estmate in about 700 years time.

          • Miss Floribunda Rose

            I take the long view. It is a mistake not to. Talking of mistakes, you’ve missed out the “i” in “estimate”.

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            Do you think the people of , Britain in 1315 thought for one minute about us, now, todsy?

          • Miss Floribunda Rose

            Yes. Read Henry of Huntingdon–he addresses himself at one point, in the final chapter of his History, to a readership 5000 years hence! (I notice you’ve put the “i” into “estimate”, which you formerly rendered as “estmate”. Thank you. These things matter, at least to me……)

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            Picky and wrong.

          • Verbatim

            It’ll never get better if you pick it.

            And if you say “wrong”, provide the documentary evidence NOW.

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            Everywhere immigration is blamed for troubles ,but everywhere (even in Australia)it leads to success. To stop them coming stop being successful.
            Education, particularly for femalesfemales, leads to dramatically lower fertility ratesrates. But UKIP prefer ignorance and overpopulation.

          • Verbatim

            I didn’t SAY Australians didn’t favour immigration. They most certainly do – ordered, sovereign-sanctioned immigration. Picking and choosing whom you want and the skills set to go with that – not random flotsum and jetsome who’ve “self selected” and describe THEMSELVES as “refugees” (aided and abetted by infantile pollyanna types).

          • vieuxceps2

            “flotsum and jetsome”? Come now Verby, not you usual standard…..

          • Verbatim

            I used this expression to describe people who come to Australia as “self-selected” migrants under the guise of “asylum seekers”. They use all kinds of treacherous means to get their way including (but not limited to) hunger strikes, sewing their lips together when a negative assessment is made of their ‘claims’. And in our detention centres RAPE and ASSAULT of young boys happens all too often. Not the majority, certainly, but enough to qualify for the label “flotsum and jetsome”.

            I want to re-interate; I’m not opposed to immigration of muslims or any other religion. But as a taxpayer and part of a generous nation I EXPECT them to learn the language, attempt to adopt our values and at least try and integrate. They can keep their customs, but I have this believe that if you don’t share a common language you don’t have a cohesive society. People need to understand each other. Currently we have immigrant groups encouraged to live in ghettos and keep their own languages, not learning English. I think the concept of mutual or reciprocal obligation applies here. That way everybody is happy and the society has a common thread – language.

          • vieuxceps2

            Thanks Verbatim for your long exposition on migrants,butI actually I was just querying your spelling of flotsam and jetsam.

          • Verbatim

            Words generally used by me, well, never. But you got the idea I was driving at.

            What did you think of my comments on the F & J? It’s for real, and that’s the disturbing part.

            As an aside, some of the “asylum seekers” are from Afghanistan. Not that there are any countries between that and the UK (or Australia) where they could seek “asylum”, or anything.

            My sister is a retired Clinical Psych and she’s counselled returning “vets” from Afghanistan. They report that the Muslim men there aren’t at all interested in women (totally hidden behind niqabs) only in the boys!! Their ongoing crises to do with women and sex are brought to the west along with their medieval ideas. That’s the frightening bit.

          • Verbatim

            They were thinking about you, Hydra, I know it. You’re just too important to overlook and your revolutionary, completely original ideas which involve you actually having to put your money where you mouth is, cannot originate from anywhere but the most supreme morality and exquisite sensibility.

            I feel cheated out of such glorious qualities, but then I was busy running a successful family business and paying taxes so that ideologues like you could get a freebie education.

            You owe me.

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            Self congratulatory aggrandisement detracts from your usual modesty.
            Oh and you forgot uneducated know all.

          • Verbatim

            You ARE an abacus!!

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            Well at leadt you can count on me. You by contrast are an hibiscus. A gay pink edible flower from Australia.

          • Verbatim

            LOL. “Leadt”??? MMm. Literate too.

            Is there no end to your talents?

          • James M

            They won’t need to take over by force. They will take over because the liberal self-haters and relativists allow them to; because the liberal pols and talking heads have no confidence in the superiority of Western civilisation to the barbarism that is Mohammedanism. Savages with a cause they are prepared to die/kill for will always get the better of a tired culture that is too effete & lazy to defend itself.

          • Verbatim

            Liberal self-haters and relativists. The abiding chorus of our age. Self-flagellators who want the rest of us punished for being:
            1. White
            2. Educated
            3. Afluent
            4. Culturally hegemonic
            5. Strong

            Woody Allen used to talk about the self-loathing Jew. Now it has spread across the western world.

            Your ideas, Hydra, are entropic.

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            No they don’t, within a generation theyadopt western birth levels.

          • Verbatim

            Proof please. Names and addresses.

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            Try the censuses. Look at families that came here over 30 years ago, many have fewer kids than average as they embrace progress.

          • Verbatim

            You’re the expert who is doing the arguing; YOU supply the evidence. Not good enough to direct somebody to a census. That makes no, er, sensus.

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            Ridiculous comment from the desperate, rattled antipodean so keen to be recognised as a Brit. To give the names and addresses of all BME mothers for the past 30 years! But then UKIP always resort to being unreasonable.

          • Verbatim

            Wrong. Another projection. I haven’t been in Britain since 1971 and it interesst me not one scintilla – and I’m just over the water in Europe. It’s precisely because of some of the things discussed on this site that I would rather have my head drilled open and filled with several litres of concrete than ever travel to the UK.

        • Verbatim

          You’re not smart enough to realize there are much more subtle and persistent ways of achieving that. Think of the woodpecker and how that bird erodes a tree with several tiny but effective hits.

          If I were a Muslim in the west wanting Sharia I’d change my name, get into politics, branch-stack then lobby. All my mates would support me knowing the rest of the electorate was asleep. Or thinking we belonged to a precious migrant group who desperately needed protection (patronizing to the max). In the era of PC though, name-changing wouldn’t be necessary.

          In your hyperbolic stance you fail to understand how ideology really works.

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            Tripe.

          • Verbatim

            Tripe is part of your daily diet regime with drip-fed ignorant, grossly hyperbolic claims. Where is your reality? Oh, that’s right, it’s contained in what you think, what your opinion is. Your naivete is breathtaking in it’s childish obscurantism.

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            No it is based on years of study,enquiry and wide reading as opposed to making stuff up or spewing out Daily Mail lies.

          • Verbatim

            FACTS, EVIDENCE if you please. And all this, er, ‘study’ has made you eligible to consort with ‘nutjobs’ on the news sites. Who wants a qualification like that?

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            What facts do keep screaming about? You have offered nothing but spleen driven conjecture.Asian families coming here in the sixties had 5 or 6 kids.Nowadays their kids ad grandkids have 2.

          • Verbatim

            And you don’t think the population in London and Britain in general is spiralling out of control at all? Beyond what infrastructure can reasonably provide for it. So much for the consequences of your “5 or 6 kids”. “Nowadays” it is of little relevance that they might have 2 because new, profligate so-called ‘migrants’ have come to take up the slack with bigger numbers. It’s a zero sum game Hydra.

          • vieuxceps2

            And become an expert on Italy by going on holiday there..

          • Blindsideflanker

            Would that be halal sourced tripe?

          • Verbatim

            Another projection! Really, this IS growing tiresome with you airing your emotional problems on the internet. One of the first thing psychs say about nutjobs like yourself is that they always accuse others of the things they do themselves. LOL

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            The expert on the UK is an Aussie racist in Vienna.

          • De9

            I saw a survey saying that the majority of settled immigrants see themselves as British. I hope to see another one soon as further proof.

            There really is far too much fear on this forum.

          • Verbatim

            It’s one thing to call yourself something and quite another to exhibit behaviours which provide the evidence of it. “Yep, I love Britain and I’m British but I want my own culture and for you to accept it as part of yours without criticism. Oh, and you’ll pay me social security and won’t expect me to bother to learn the language. But, as I said, I’m a true blue Brit”.

            I submit it’s ‘true blue Brit’ on their terms and not anybody else’s. I live in Vienna and I’m anxious to blend in with that culture – I’ve learned the language – and fly beneath the radar, adopting their habits and respecting them in doing this.

            Survey!! Sheesh.

          • Pacificweather

            Tell us about the Austrian habits you have adopted. What do Austrians do that the British don’t? Nothing to do with keeping girls in cellars I hope.

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            He’s not a girls type.

          • Pacificweather

            It would have been a good idea except they weren’t asleep and you now have to pay £250,000 in costs.

        • vieuxceps2

          The scenario we have in England will suffice. Bring in millions of young muslims, feed and care for them in their own hatchment areas. Await arrival of first progeny. Encourage new one to Repeat.Repeat.. Repeat.

  • zanzamander

    Let us be clear, these people are not refugees seeking asylum. These are economic migrants fleeing failed states, the states that have failed because of them. Yes, these people are fleeing economic hardships of their own creation.

    If they want to improve their lot, they’d stay behind and ditch the religio/economic nightmare that they’re worshiping, some as many as five times a day. They will bring their bankrupt religio/sharia do da with them and dump it on us.

    These people have nothing to contribute to our economy, culture or wealth. The moment they come here, they will start costing us several hundreds of thousands per family.

    Who is going to pay for that?

    Btw, how many Yezidis have we helped, how many Christians have we saved? These are the people being wiped out from their homelands by the very same Islamists coming across over here in an armada of boats and we are helping them settle here.

    • The Bogle

      Last night, when he interviewed Nigel Farage BBC commentator Evan Davis picked on him for wishing to save Christians and almost mocked Farage’s admiration for our Judeo-Christian heritage. It tells us lots about the BBC mindset.

      • Shazza

        What Evan Davis fails to recognise is that if you import enough moslems into a Judeo-Christian/secular society, you will end up with an islamic state.

        If he actually thought this through to it’s logical conclusion, he would realise that as a result of his sexuality he would find himself at the mercy of sharia law which does not look too kindly on homosexuality.

        Turkeys voting for Christmas comes to mind.

        • scampy

          Cottaging and dogging out the window for the ravaged wreck that is Davis if the head bangers call on him?

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            Git.

          • vieuxceps2

            Ah,sweet reason!

        • Miss Floribunda Rose

          You don’t mean to say that Evan Davis is…………..that way inclined, do you?

        • Blindsideflanker

          What Davis fails to understand is that his advocacy for the religion of peace will just get him the opportunity to do a triple pike off the nearest tower block.

        • Jen The Blue

          I believe the current Muslim trend is to throw homosexuals off the roofs of tall buildings.

        • vieuxceps2

          It’s not it’s, it’s its.

          • Shazza

            You are wrong. I am using the genitive (possession) – look it up.
            Are you a product of Blair’s ‘educayshun, educayshun, educayshun’?

          • vieuxceps2

            No Shazza, the genitive form of the impersonal pronoun “it” is “its”. The usage “it’s” is simply an abbreviation ot “it is”. I can assure you that Blair played no part in my education as I left school before he was born. ..

          • Shazza

            I could have said ‘to the logical conclusion of it’ – genitive – possession.

          • vieuxceps2

            Yes, that would have been better, and have the virtue of being correct . But you didn’t ,did you? I didn’t mind your misuse,you’re only one of many who commit this error but I do feel sad that you have not acknowledged your mistake nor apologised for your Blair sneer.
            Not only did your schooling failyou in grammar, it seems it also failedyou in manners.

          • Shazza

            I do apologise for the Blair sneer – it was unfair of me. I just felt that your criticism of my use of the apostrophe was in lieu of anything constructive you had to offer regarding my comment and that you took the opportunity to take a cheap shot and attempt to demonstrate your superior knowledge. For most of us who take the trouble to comment not only on this site but others as well, do not do so to attempt to correct posters’ grammar but to engage in beneficial, mutual debate.

            I did have the benefit of an excellent schooling albeit not in this country which resulted in me achieving the British equivalent of top marks in A levels including English and Latin.

          • vieuxceps2

            Thank you for that. I too was clever at English and Latin at a (very) old-fashioned Grammar School and have kept an interest ever since.
            I see these letters as a means of exchanging views and arguments too, but there are a number of errors which are becoming acccepted as the norm, amongst which is the use of it’s and its.I much fear however that my efforts will prove vain, in both senses of the word.

      • James M

        Correction – it tells us everything.

        • The Bogle

          Correction noted!

    • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

      “These people”…….here. How many of the Libyan boat people are here?

      • Miss Floribunda Rose

        There are lots of “these people” heading our way, probably encamped in Calais–apart from the Christians they threw overboard, of course……..At least we’ve been spared them……

        • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

          Nonsense. Most are in Ragusa learning Italian.

          • Verbatim

            We want documentary evidence of this from you, please.

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            Radio 4 yesterday. The Italians are helping the refugees learn Italian, in large numbers in Ragusa. That Sicilian town has given over several hotels to help. As a UKIP git you will no doubt disapprove.

          • Cobbett

            What about the other Italians who are not so overjoyed about their country being overrun by the detritus from Africa? Been to
            Italy lately have you? They’re everywhere these days…turning the place into a dump.

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            I have holidayed in Italy every year since 2001. I will be in Catania this August so can check for myself.A nation of 60. million that has a few hundred thousand refugees is not a dump.

          • EHGombrich

            Most of them go to Germany, Austria, Switzerland or Sweden as soon as they can. The Italians don´t even register them. Thus, we need gunboats pronto.

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            Brilliant joke. Most of them go to Switzerland……you just make this stuff up.

          • Verbatim

            Yep, continue putting those fingers in your ears when there’s something which doesn’t accord with your own narrative.

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            UKIP central on overtime tonight. The dictionary must be getting worn out along with the random lie generating dartboarddartboard.

          • Verbatim

            Wanna bet? Have you heard of the Mafia at all? That’s who they’re all ‘working’ for now.

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            Do you people only ever make wild guesses based on urban myths and hearsay?
            Go to Sicily, like I do regularly, the Mafia moved to the USA years ago. The N’Draghetta do still haunt The areas south of Naples though.

          • Verbatim

            That doesn’t mean that immigrants aren’t working for them, which they are. All gainfully employed too. But you are obviously a demographer and cultural expert and you can refute these claims with facts and statistics, but er……

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            In America? How many African refugees do you believe work for the former Sicilan mafia?

          • Verbatim

            Slippery hydra. I was referring to Italy. You know you’re using weasel tactics. Guess it might work for SOME folks, though.

          • Cobbett

            Was in Rome, Milan, Genoa, Naples, Palermo a couple of years ago. Bloody awful to see. Besides it’s for the Italian people to decide if that’s what they want. They’d be made to go the same way as England and France.

          • Rabbit_Samson

            Italy? Overrun with African detritus? From Libya? The country they colonised. There really are some shitbirds on here that don’t even know their own history, far less Europes.

          • vieuxceps2

            Italy colonises Libya-BAD. Libya colonises Italy-GOOD.Strange fellows these marxoids…..

          • Pacificweather

            It does have some merit. Ferrari my get another good racing driver out of it .

          • Cobbett

            From Black Africa – I was there a couple of years ago. Sleeping in the streets and hassling tourists. Also I don’t accept that anyone from countries that were former possessions of European powers have any right to settle in them. The age of Empires is over, we owe them nothing. You’re the know nothing shithead – where does it say we owe these people anything?

          • Rabbit_Samson

            Thanks for that thoroughly thrilling holiday story. Do you have any snaps of you sleeping in the streets? And this hassling tourists you indulged in – did in involve deviancy? Or were you just hanging around being a nuisance rather like you’re doing here?

          • Cobbett

            Ha ha hazzzzzzzzzzzz

          • Verbatim

            So why the hell are they all heading for Germany?

          • Verbatim

            Radio 4 (rolls around floor laughing)!!

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            44 years in Vienna qualifies you to comment on what exactly?
            The trams.

          • vieuxceps2

            UKIP-ers are not gits. Lefties are gits. So there.

          • Dogsnob

            In fact, many of them have already completed tempera portraits of the Medici.

          • Cobbett

            Bollocks are most in Ragusa – a few hundred at most. The majority want to leave Italy as soon as possible. How many are you accommodating?

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            The Italian Catholic aid agencies are responding in a civilised manner rather than forthing at the mouth like you fearful imbeciles.

          • Verbatim

            We are civilized – we’re exchanging views with a Hydra-headed monster. Can’t get much better than that. And what is “forthing” at the mouth while we’re at it, Hydra? Is that Hydra-speak?

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            Not sure why you keep repeating hydra. Is it a new word you learned at your English lessons? Janet….and. …..John…….met……an…..Hydra.

          • Verbatim

            Look up Hydra-headed monster on Google if you know nothing about it. You’ll recognize yourself there.

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            Well I get that you don’t see the amusing originality in choosing a pseudonym that is a couple. But a hydra is one mythical creature with many heads,while the name I use is two people with one head each , while I am one person and one headed, unlike you lot who are wrongheaded.
            You all get so cross when the lies you aim at the gullible are shot down. I can see why you would have to convince yourself it is a slick conspiracy, as opposed to one fair minded and well informed opponent.
            Plus…….why should you stay here in our country Aussie bloke?

          • Verbatim

            I live in Vienna, Austria. And you are a Hydra because, apart from the two heads, you have another swelled head as a consequence of your moral vanity and misguided pollyanna-ism. Just when two heads are never enough…

            But I see you researched the “Hydra” and that I know what I’m talking about.

            Oh, it just gets better…!!

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            Hitler’s homeland. Are you David Irving?

          • Jen The Blue

            Fearful of Islam? Damn right I am. I have studied it and it scares the crap out of me. It is a vicious, controlling death cult not a religion. A philosophy of absolute loyalty to the ramblings of a perverted warlord and brigand under pain of death, it is supremacist and holds the lives of infidels as worthless.

          • Pacificweather

            No one expects the Spanish Inquisition.

          • vieuxceps2

            No,don’t just mouth your lefty-learned insults, answer the question- How many are you accommodating?

          • Cobbett

            Or the rioters in Rome and other Italian cities…why don’t you lend a hand then?

          • Verbatim

            Oh, this really is priceless. Hilarious!

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            Still devoid of an argument Herr Verbatim !

          • Callan

            Don’t know about that but there are lots of them in cities such as Milan picking pockets and congregating in city centres selling counterfeit goods.

          • Verbatim

            (Hydra sticks fingers into ears.)

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            What do we call an Australian Austrian?
            Austro-knucklehead or Australo-pitiless?
            Ozzy ossy maybe.

      • Verbatim

        Our feral abacus, the Hydra, can’t count now.

      • vieuxceps2

        Not many I hope. Certainly fewer in Australia.

    • Jen The Blue

      Brilliantly put. “”The moment they come here, they will start costing us several hundreds of thousands per family.”” And they will feel entitled to it as the Jizya.

  • Pacificweather

    Thanks Rod. Nobody had heard of Katie Hopkins because nobody but you reads the Sun. We are all better for being armed with the knowledge that a Sun journalist is a pillock. Hold the front page.

  • ChrisTavareIsMyIdol

    Still chuckling over “The reliably idiotic Dan Hodges”, very good.
    Of course the answer is to return anyone who arrives once they have been allowed a short period to recover. A few weeks of that and those “fleeing war zones” will move to a neighbouring safe country as was intended by the original Charter of Human Rights

  • ezrapoundshop

    A rare moment of lucid honesty from the Left:
    ‘In our time 100 million people have been slaughtered in the revolutions of the Left with no positive result, while millions more have been buried alive. Beyond the iron curtains of the socialist empires, whole cultures were desecrated, civilisations destroyed and generations deprived of the barest essentials of a tolerable life.
    Yet the epithet ‘counter-revolutionary’ still strikes progressives. who supported these empires, as a term of opprobrium and moral disgrace. What the record shows, on the contrary, is that ‘counter-revolutionary’ is a name for moral sanity and human decency, a term for resistance to the epic depredations of dreamers like them’
    David Horowitz ‘The Politics of Bad Faith’

    • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

      The Soviet devasatation is more to do with the Russian culture of mistrust as it is Marxism. As for China…….formally a Communist nation ….with more millionairesd and entrepreneurs than the rest of the World put together.

      • ezrapoundshop

        Next time Comrade we will get it right. Keep the red flag flying above the rivers of blood.

      • Verbatim

        “devasatation” – is that like “degustation”? And what hilarity about Russia and Marxism.

  • Clive Walters

    People want to sac those they disagree with to feel good in the face of complex problems…which goes to a fairly brainless undergraduate view of the world.

    • Jonny Bradbury-Birrell

      Which of course Clive is polar opposite to what Katie did in the face of a complex problem? Suggest the subjects were cockroaches and that gunboats were required.

      • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

        But then Katie is such a deep thinker ,with so much integrity and respect. She is also so very humble and publicity shy.

        • Miss Floribunda Rose

          You don’t need to be a “deep thinker” to understand this problem, and its solution……

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            Yes you do.

          • Miss Floribunda Rose

            Truly, you don’t……

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            What so even a mouth breather like Katie can understand it?

          • Miss Floribunda Rose

            Good morning, campers!

          • Icebow

            I hadn’t encountered these trolls before. They make repeated allusions to their own intelligence, but I have seen no evidence of it here.

          • Miss Floribunda Rose

            Yvonne and Barry Stuart-Hargreaves are two characters from the 1980s comedy series “Hi-Di-Hi”. Both are lower middle class, now sadly faded and way past their prime…..Barry is secretly homosexual, and as camp as a row of tents. Yvonne is a former minor celeb, and both consider themselves a cut above the other members of staff at the holiday camp at which they are employed……..It’s all very, very sad.

          • Rabbit_Samson

            Floribunda? You sound like a kid Katie Hopkins would keep her own hideous children away from. Even if it is just a shit name you made up in jest. God forbid you’re ever depressed, have parents who have Alzheimers or ever get fat. That silly trash talking reality show contestant would probably advocate your own drowning, far less allowing you the pleasure of being turned on by a bloke being tied to a chair.

            Trolls? They seem more like a couple of rational people who’ve stumbled upon a meeting of people riding around in white sheets, jibbering on like giant gormless bullying children.

          • Miss Floribunda Rose

            I would rather enjoy being tied to a chair and tossed off…….Whilst falling, I would give myself a quick hand-job before my final SPLATT! Then, Oblivion.
            Greetings from Miss Floribunda Rose.

          • Rabbit_Samson

            My oh my, you come quicker than I do.

          • Icebow

            Ah. Did ring a bell, but I never watched an episode. Thanks.

          • Verbatim

            Well, yes, YOU DO but not the average person with reasonable intelligence.

  • A S

    ” the liberal left did not send money or aid”. Well Rod, as a fully paid-up member I can confirm that I did (send money). I also think Hopkins has the right to be an offensive moron but it would be nice if the Sun didn’t print her. However, as the Sun is owned by an offensive genius I doubt that much will change.

  • mrs 1234

    ‘And the Labour leader Ed Miliband made a hugely useful contribution with a tweet saying that the people who died were among the poorest in the world and something should be done. I suppose if they had been moderately affluent it would have been less of a tragedy, Ed, you halfwit.’

    And yet Rod’s last article was all about his decision to vote Labour. How can you vote for someone you regard as a halfwit to rule the country?

    • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

      10 million voted for the halfwit Cameron

      • Verbatim

        Whereas you, the Hydra, have been downgraded to a “quarter” wit – half is too generous.

        • Icebow

          Is it challenging Telemachus for Chief Troll, d’you think?

          • Verbatim

            I don’t know Telemachus, but the Hydra is a-head (get it?) on points. We cannot have a sensible discussion about unchecked immigration with the Hydra ALWAYS HERE, always waiting to pounce. Just like a troll.

          • Icebow

            Don’t know Telemachus? Blimey. He seems to have some sort of pet status now. Look for the pink flower.

          • Verbatim

            Should I buy one to go with my “save the refugees” badge?

  • scampy

    It must be obvious to the most avid head bangers that islam has failed and time to ditch fantasy allah?

  • Perseus Slade

    Rod is, of course right,
    and we know that the Tony Abott solution works: tow them right back.

    But maybe there is an opportunity here too.

    Free-port enclaves could be set up on the African coast
    where would-be immigrants could find work in European-owned business, to the mutual benefit of all. Well-ordered place like Singapore and Hong Kong.

  • Kaschner

    This is precisely what Nigel Farage, alone among the party leaders, has said. He was immediately vilified of course. Vilification of Farage is an excellent indication that he has, yet again, got straight to the heart of the matter and proposed a workable, effective, and humane solution.

    So let’s give the heartless bastard a good kicking . . .

    • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

      Well done .You got one word right about frog face Faridge. “Bastard”. I don’t think he is heartless. Trouserless and gormless yes, but not heartless.

      • Verbatim

        Whereas you’re all heart – but you haven’t got any other deformities I presume.

  • q-pantagruel
  • Richard

    The real tragedy is the degree to which these hollow utterances are a sure-fire way to power in the UK. Real tragedy, more so than the deaths of migrants? Indeed so, because these hollow utterances are what deflect and prevent any real action or debate occurring. In modern loony-leftie UK, nobody cares about, say whether it might be better to let these countries be ruled by the UN instead of the current situation, or how we might actually improve the situation. They mouth rubbish because it will win them approval and votes. Brits and other Europeans are the true ‘Hollow Men’.

  • JonathanBagley

    This would be classed as stating the obvious, were we not living in a mad house, where nobody, in the last few days, has stated the obvious – except, of course, millions of ordinary people, who after listening to the BBC for the past few days, think they will be arrested if they do so in public. Thank you for writing this article. I was beginning to think I was the crazy one. And thank the Lord for Katie Hopkins’ massive balls.

  • mike_in_brum

    I don’t see what the problem is: migrants are not really human beings, so why should we waste money to save their lives and let them infest our civilization?

    • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

      How very amusing if meant as sarcasm. How completely evil if not.

      • Cyril Sneer

        Kill yourself.

        • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

          Very constructive from the erudite King of words.

      • Verbatim

        Knock Knock. Hydra; somebody is at the door – a visitor. Time to get off the internet and get involved with real life.

  • tedster11

    Dan Hodges is an odious cunt.

    • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

      ……and you are a foul mouthed simpleton, with no redeeming features.

      • tedster11

        It’s called Occoms razor, something someone with a double barrelled surname should surely get? Or are you a simpleton that feels the need to have a double barrelled name to make themselves feel more important than they actually are? If so, then you are a narcissist, and we all know what people think of them..

        • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

          It is Ockham or occam.It is about simplicity so ideal for the intellect of a UKIP voter

          • tedster11

            Can you come back with something more coherent next time, because that reply didn’t make one iota of sense. Wikipedia could be your friend. For someone who is supposed to be so intelligent, you don’t half write some inane drivel on here. UKIP? you think that because someone swore they support the true nasty party, you need to go for a lie down Bazza.

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            Sorry you didn’t understand. I was correcting you spelling of Occam, then I went on in a sarcastic way to say how you UKIP voters need simple ideas and concepts because you are thick.

          • tedster11

            Bazza as soon as you have to retort to insults you have lost the argument. Given my OP has more votes than yours, I think we can conclude that more people agree with me than you. So swan off to your solar panelled semi with your copy of the Guardian, and think to yourself how you got to this point in life, that you have to take your wife’s name and turn it into a double barrel, which given your socialist outlook is quite ironic. Typical champagne socialist.

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            You lost with the first post then, using the “c” word. You must be desperste if you count the up ticks from you fellow haters at UKIP HQHQ as endorsement for you dribbled drivel.
            I despise solar panels, ladt read the Guardian in 1990 and hate champagne. You have me all wrong ,but I am still you enemy……you just don’t understand.

          • tedster11

            Can I have that in English Bazza.

      • Verbatim

        Granted; he is missing one head.

      • Verbatim

        He speaks well of you, though.

  • Grace Ironwood

    Not gunboats so much as life boats and a tow-back.
    Look carefully at the current Australian Government’s solution – it solved the matter within a few months.

    The left said it was impossible to stop. (they don’t want it to stop)

    They were wrong, it is a matter of resolve. Now the criminals are out of business, we have no more chancers paying to get on boats, no more dead people and we’ve increased our quota of properly vetted refugees.

    • Donafugata

      Exactly.

      Until recently Somali pirates in tiny boats were somehow invisible to shipping. They were able to get close enough to board the vessels and hold everyone to ransom for large sums of money.

      Presumably this could only happen because of the disproportionate politeness of the ship’s crews.
      Then one day, a French boat decided to resist and blew the pirates out of the water.

  • Rabbit_Samson

    Right on Little Rod. Pesky lefties. If people like that ‘ridiculous’ girl Izzy Saunders would only fuck off and stop raising petitions against racism, they’d still be able to call black players ‘monkeys’ and throw bananas at them down your Millwall FC on a Saturday wouldn’t they mate? What a total rod.

    • Cyril Sneer

      The pinnacle of lefty debate in one post.

      • Rabbit_Samson

        And the nonsensical retort of a cock in an other.

        • Verbatim

          Run, rabbit, run.

      • Verbatim

        LOL

    • Callipygian

      Did your dog help you with typing this post? Looks like it.

      • Rabbit_Samson

        Hold on, I’ll ask him.

        “Dog, did you hack into Rod Liddles email account under the name ‘monkeymfc’ and write racist tracts on Millwall’s website?”

        Nope. Wasn’t him .

  • burberryblue

    It’s funny how the EU has now come to the same conclusion Hopkins did: bomb their boats, so they can’t get over to Europe.

    Hold it a second: Doesn’t that make the EU racist?

    After all, its racist to look after you “own people” before looking after people from elsewhere, isn’t it?

    • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

      Hopkins is a publicity seeking dullard. To bomb innocent people in a rickety boat in the Med’ is beneath contempt. What most call immoral. But I bet most UKIP voters think it a reasonable solution , after all they love simple ideas. It appeals to their limited narrow minds.

      • burberryblue

        The EU has just decided the following:

        1. Allow 5,000 immigrants to stay in EU inmate nations.

        2. Send nearly 200,000 back to where they came from.

        3. Scupper/bomb any craft that might encourage them to try to get to an EU nation (again.)

        4. Also, the EU’s immigration policy discriminates absolutely in favour of white Europeans and against non-white, non-Europeans.

        Hopkins is certainly a distasteful individual, but she has no power.

        The EU’s fascism and open nationalism, xenophobia and racism has already resulted in the untimely deaths of thousands of people and is set to kill thousands more.

      • Miss Floribunda Rose

        To cross the Med in an attempt to enter Europe illegally is also beneath contempt. They’ll be needing money, jobs, homes–and women–when they arrive. Where will these “refugees” find these things? Most of them appear to be young males. Send them to Sweden, the Rape Capital of Europe! Or Rotherham.

      • Verbatim

        And you, of course, are the arbiter of what is moral and immoral. I say again, SMUG.

        • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

          No, but I can spot you dullards a mile off.

          • Claire Smith

            You look in the mirror?

          • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

            Please explain. What does “you look in the mirror” mean?

          • Verbatim

            Out with it – do you have two heads or one? If the former, no mirror needed.

          • JOSEPHINEII

            I’ve been longing to ask you, Yvon & Barry, do you speak in chorus as you write? Do tell

          • Verbatim

            Hilarious!! Euripides would be very chuffed to know the Greek Chorus is alive and well and living in, where is it, Bognor Regis.

          • Verbatim

            Prescient too. I’m impressed.

      • Marcus

        Who said bomb the boats?
        Have you actually got that quote ?

        • Verbatim

          No, the hydra makes things up on the run and then claims “years of education”. Son, you’ve wasted your money.

      • Cyril Sneer

        And you like to molest children.

        • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

          I do not like to molest children, you filthy piece of crap. Are there no depths you evil twisted scum won’t stoop to? I’m so glad I have time to devote to bursting your moronic bubbles.

      • Harry Pond

        she never said anything of the sort.

  • MathMan

    Does anyone ever wonder why these people can’t build functioning societies of their own?

    • flipkipper

      Because we bomb them every twenty years.

      • stedman_dantes

        When did we last bomb Mali? When did we last bomb Nigeria?
        I’ll tell you somewhere “we” (ie the West) really, really bombed: Germany and Japan. They managed to build functioning societies.
        No, you’ll have to come up with some other miserably flimsy reason.

        • AverageGuyInTheStreet

          What’s that biblical saying… “You shall know them by their fruits” ? Its almost as if Africa managed to reach the stone age and then stopped evolving.

      • Infidelissima

        from where I’m sitting, nobody kills as many africans, as other africans, and nobody bombs and blows up as many muslims as other muslims

  • MahatmaFarage

    Rod, that godawful Greenie just made reference to your piece on QT!

    Conspiracy or wot?

    • Planet Vague

      Shut up and eat your Greens.

      • Verbatim

        Or, as Basil Fawlty would say, “get on with your meals”.

  • Sun

    They are cockroaches. People who don’t agree should be banned and kicked out.

  • Donafugata

    While the boat loads know that by making a distress call to the Italian coastguard ten minutes into the journey they will be rescued and processed for EU asylum, they will continue to come.

    At what point is someone going to say enough is enough?

  • Verbatim

    Yes, those two stark choices won’t have occurred to the Einsteins in charge of all this. They’ll wriggle and slip and slide until somebody else can take the blame for it all.

  • Robertus Maximus

    Rod, what chance of stopping them coming if you have your way and Miliband is elected? Like his predecessor Blair, he’d never be able to resist issuing a personal invitation to all those future Labour voters to come and join our not-so-merry throng.

  • cartimandua

    Greece wants to lease out some islands. There is our Borneo offshore facility. While there Christians can be given more help and everyone else skilled up funded and returned to their nearest safe country as skilled people with money to invest in a business. They all need people who can make build and repair.
    Syrians could perhaps choose to go to safe Kurdish areas or Lebanon or Jordan with enough of a bung so that they can make a contribution and not live on hand outs.

  • Eastsix

    “You Make it even more clear that refugees who apply for asylum legally will always take precedent over those who come here in a cast-iron bath tub captained by some predatory Tunisian scumbag. Those who come illegally by boat will never get asylum”

    There seems to be a general lack of comprehension I the difference between migrants and asylum seekers. One can only claim asylum in the country one is in at the time- a Syrian can’t apply for asylum in the UK from Aleppo. It is an accepted part of the process that (genuine) refugees Will have to use illegal methods to flee their persecutors. I work in Asylum, and as far as I’m concerned the whole thing is utterly broken as a concept.

    • Verbatim

      It’s jurisidiction shopping and country hopping which renders ‘asylum seekers’ as economic migrants. Happens all the time in Australia where they embark from Sri Lanka, Thailand or Indonesia by boat after having already crossed SEVERAL countries which could have provided instant protection and safety.

      The people of Australia are not mugs and they’ve had enough.

  • David Jenkins

    The Spectator is read by bigots based on the comments below.

    • Ridcully

      Only if you’re using Gordon Brown’s definition of “bigot,” i.e. “someone expressing an opinion I don’t like.”

    • Cyril Sneer

      Do you read the Speccie?

      • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

        Can you read Cyril?

        • Verbatim

          That’s a laugh coming from the unreconstructed grammarian.

    • Guest

      if only everyone were as tolerant, non bigoted and non racist, as the peaceful Muslims…

    • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

      ……and written by them. Rude, ill informed oafs without an ounce of empathy.

      • Guest

        if only we had half as much empathy as the sweet and cuddly Muslims have for their own, ey?

      • Verbatim

        You can live on empathy if you want. The rest of us wouldn’t be able to cope with the hunger pains.

    • Verbatim

      If this were its sole readership I wouldn’t want to own shares in it!

  • Marcus

    Excellent article Rod.

    The argument is the same for immigration in general.

    If a Lefty calls UKIP racist, just ask them:

    ‘Before we go any further, what your asylum policy be? and what would be your
    immigration policy?’

    If they do not say ‘let them all in’ (which is patently absurd), they then have
    to explain their policy, which inevitably can always be seen as racist.

    Why doesn’t Hopkins et al say this more often on tv?

    What is your policy? And then illustrate that theirs no nicer than
    yours.

    It is so simple and so effective.

  • freddiethegreat

    I’m almost at the point where I regard any liberal of any stripe and only being useful as an anchor or a doorstop.

    • Cyril Sneer

      I tend to give them a wide berth, I don’t believe brain cancer is contagious but I’m not going to take any chances.

      • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

        Keep to slip ons Cyril .Laces are complicated and left undone will trip up the unexsuspecting and oafish.

        • Verbatim

          Your grammar is entirely risible. A metaphor for your, er, “ideas”? (Cough)

    • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

      Charmless nurk.

  • Eurocentric

    By golly, it’s about time we got more of the Ron Liddle’s and Katie Hopkins to bring a voice of sanity to the deluded western world. Is it not time we dropped PC for a little brutal honesty? Take a look at the poor buggers on those boats and ask yourselves: are these unskilled, uneducated and pathetic specimens bringing us anything other than cheap labour? Why are the majority men, most of whom will have wives and lots of children waiting for the transferred money, until they get permanent status and then bring all the rest of their large families for a taste of the golden life in the west?

    Sad, it’s all so sad. But as the west has already been learning, we take them in, we give them homes, free health care, money for not working and what are we getting in return? Beheadings in our streets, hate speech from their mosques, intimidating sharia patrols in our cities, and “death to the west”. In short, death to the hands that feed them.

    In order to take in millions of poor sods like these, tens of thousands of well educated, cultured, English-speaking, industrious non EU people who want to come to the UK and offer skills, hard work and creativity are rejected. Let us be even more frank: wherever these migrants are settling, the majority offer nothing but social disorder, poor absorption and cultural differences that take three to four generations to bridge.

  • justsomeone

    Spot on!
    And anyone who wants to actually help these Africans can help them – in Africa!
    Every pound and euro spent on them here and in Europe would go much further in Africa. What we pay to enable a single individual from Africa to live here for a year would be enough to pay for 20 people – perhaps even for 50 people – in Africa.
    European governments could also help teach and supervise governments in Africa to avoid corruption and to help set up factories, giving the governments financial rewards for battling corruption. All of this would be more effective and cheaper than letting in large African populations, many of whom will not fit in and would resent us rather than thank us.

  • Jen The Blue

    If we let them all in we hasten the day all of Europe is under the tyranny of Sharia Law and we immediately increase the number of Jihadis wanting to blow to pieces or sever the head of anyone who isn’t a Muslim.

    • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

      Letting them all in is ridiculous. Africa and the Islsmic World contain 2 billion people. Britain would unlivable with 150 million, so sociological and demographic corrections would prevent it. You daft prophecies have no foundation.Just idiotic gueswork.

      • Verbatim

        Not like your forensically researched statistics and arguments.

      • redsquirrel

        great to hear that my country approaching “unliveable” is your idea of appropriate immigration controls.

      • Jen The Blue

        By “all” I meant all those trying to cross the Med. Though I am sure the left would let in as many as they could. I have prophesied nothing. The fact is Muslims believe in Sharia Law, they are already 5% of the population of the UK – doubled since Blair took power – and are out breeding other religions by a margin. If you care to actually listen to what Muslims say, if you read the Koran and Hadith as I have, you will find it is no secret that Muslims want to rule Europe under Sharia, and ultimately the world. They will use any means including violent Jihad to do it. Their religion mandates it. That is why we should send all the Muslim “refugees” back whence they came.

        • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

          So you mean the 100,000 or so intent on crossing to Sicily this summer should not be let in to the UK instead.

          • Jen The Blue

            They should not be let in anywhere. They need to go back from where they came.

  • Precambrian

    We should let them all in.

    And we should also all leave our front doors open wide so that any who wants to can migrate into our houses because of the better life they want to find there.

    {/sarcasm}

    • Verbatim

      The Hydra is willing to put about 20 of them up at his/their place. If not, he is speaking sheer hypocrisy.

  • Infidelissima

    Muslims are responsible for 99% of all wars and armed conflicts world-wide, thus for the refugee crisis’ and displacement of millions of people per year.
    Draw a cartoon, and they can hardly contain themselves, but all these ‘poor refugees’ and the slaughter and genocide of minorities and especially Christians, make all their 57 gigantic countries, go suddenly quiet.
    The audacity that they then should expect Christian countries to take in these ‘migrants’ and clean up their blood-soaked messes, makes my head explode. Ship them off to one of their Islamic cesspits immediately!
    They are not here to enrich our country, but to plummet it into the same abyss their countries are crawling in.

    THIS IS AN INVASION – TROJAN HORSE ISLAM STYLE!

    • Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves

      No it isn’t. Which are the 1% of wars not waged by Muslims? Russia, Ukraine, Mexico, Ethiopia,?

      • Infidelissima

        There you go, it is only necessary to read the bold blue print to see how many times the word ‘Islamist’ pops up.

        Even if I’m off by 3% or 4%, it’s still quite an achievement making up less than 25% of the world population, yet being involved in over 95% of all wars and conflicts.

        Muslims are so peaceful, they seem unable to live in peace anywhere, with anybody, even each other, in their own countries.

        Enjoy:

        http://www.warsintheworld.com/?page=static1258254223

      • Guest

        If muslim countries are so peaceful and wonderful, how come even Muslims don’t want to live there?
        And it should be even more of a reason to give safety to their distressed brothers and sisters, wouldn’t you say, dhimmi?

      • Verbatim

        Religion isn’t the only catalyst for war. Most of them are economic, but disguised as ‘religious wars’. In the final analysis, religion is a convenient label or means of identity in the “who gets what” paradigm.

  • Richard Eldritch

    Dan is vewy cwoss, he said so on twatter……

  • James

    First and foremost government number one priority is to protect citizens with duties such as not letting dangerous people into the country. Islam is not compatible with the west and its time Muslim accepted our ways or leave to go live in Islamic State or Saudi Arabia. If I am suffering Islamicophobia, rightfully, what do they suffer – Humanophobia. Gunboats are necessary because people traffickers are very dangerous folks who smuggle guns and use weapons against innocent people, especially those it considers infidel.

  • Icebow

    ‘Send a gunboat’. As an imperialist, I really like the sound of that.

  • Chris

    The people who traffic these migrants, and they are migrants and not refugees, are no different to and no better than those who traffic drugs.
    They do it solely for profit and couldn’t care less about how the people they are putting on these boats suffer and die.
    As for those on the left: they just aid and abet these monsters and encourage them even more.

    • Augustus

      Quite right, if they were genuine refugees they would buy a much cheaper plane ticket and seek asylum. They’re fake refugees, and if they came by plane they would not be allowed to stay and sent back, but If they come on these boats they know they will be rescued if need be, taken care of, and allowed to stay. As you say, it’s no more than a trafficking racket.

  • wudyermucuss

    No women,children or old men.
    How,exactly are these desperate people?

    • Verbatim

      They are working age, young men, the majority of them. Some women and children have been spotted, but mostly they’ve been abandoned to rot by the very demographic who should be protecting them and defending their countries.

      • redsquirrel

        yes, i’ve noticed that. 99% early twenties men. just what is up with that?

        • cartimandua

          Families club together to send a young strong man to earn and send money back and hopefully provide a platform for chain migration.

          • Chris

            So it’s all planned in advance then?

          • Verbatim

            Doesn’t that much “planning” to pick up your thongs and shorts and head for a leaky boat.

          • Verbatim

            Either that, or they’ve just deserted their families – or some combination of both.

          • Callipygian

            True. Mexicans have been doing it for a very long time (destination: USA, of course). But I don’t want to presume too much. Mexicans are not, qua Mexicans, hostile to the American way of life….

        • Verbatim

          If you haven’t figured it out there’s nothing we can do to help you.

  • Gilbert White

    They say this many die in deep bay, the Pearl River, in Hong Kong per year trying to get through the fence that is effectually cutting them off from their own country. The illegal mudskipper collectors leave the corpses there for the fish most of the time. The in. does not bother withe this dragon.

    • Verbatim

      Which raises another interesting question: who is taking care of genuine refugees from North Korea – a hell hole.

  • Dauer_Gast

    They are not the poorest of the poor either. It is usually the African middle-class that can scrap together the high fees for the people trafficer. The poorest of the poor don’t have several thousand dollars. Milliband is mistaken, or probably intentionally misleading people.

    Who thinks that Labour will not go back to its mass-immigration policies if they should win the elections is mistaken. They deceived the public about their mass-immigration intentions before the Blair administration as well.

  • Zed largo

    Let them in and there will be civil disturbances, possibly growing to civil war. These PC clowns who wish to take the moral high ground are dangerous, very dangerous people. They take no account of the fact that national identity, the sense of belonging that comes from being a member of your race, is fundamental to all of us. The idea of transcending our condition by identifying with an abstract idea of humankind unified, a kind of corporeal spirituality, is simply mad. They wish us to live in multicultural communities in which everyone is treated equally, where cultural clashes don’t exist and tolerance is supreme. What absolute rubbish. Racism is real, a part of each one of us, and that particularly includes Muslims who are at war with each other in ways that make our intolerance a tea party. Yes, we can manage our racism if we have the emotional strength and psychological maturity, but for most people those states of development are fantasies. The PC brigade, who wish to foist their abstract ideas of social idealism onto all of us are the dangerous Chamberlains of today. They are idealists, dreamers, morally blind fantasists and they are, sadly and tragically, ruling our politics and our media just as Chamberlain and his wilful deniers did in reaction to Hitler. We have a lot of trouble to deal with, and the PC brigade may well be the most serious problem we face.

  • Agrippina

    Prof Rowthorn’s report on immigration cites the ONS stats’ high migration scenario.

    It sees growth in the UK population of 20 million over the next 50 years and 29 million over the next 75 years – entirely from migration. This is equivalent to adding a city almost the size of Birmingham to the UK population every two-and-a-half years for the next 75 yrs.

    “Unrestrained population growth would eventually have a negative impact on the standard of living through its environmental effects such as overcrowding, congestion and loss of amenity”. Housing, education & NHS are already struggling.

    Robert Rowthorn is Emeritus Professor of Economics at the University of Cambridge. http://civitas.org.uk/immigrat

  • De9

    This is getting more depressing by the minute.

    One guy on the bus yesterday decided to tell me that we should ‘thin out’ those crossing the med, through the use of marksmen on navy ships. When I pointed out that this was a) immoral, and b) would not stop more coming he then decided to tell me that that ‘camps’ should be set up in Libya to ‘efficiently’ kill those gathering on the beaches, with security set up from the aid budget to protect them. He then said that any other ‘solution’ (INCLUDING just sending them back) was ‘soft-hearted’, ‘naive’ and ‘the sort of thing the liblabcon would think of’. Sending them back would not stop other coming he said- ‘we gotta get proactive’.

    I don’t entirely know what to think of this debate any more. I thought that extermination camps were evil to be honest.

    Is it really soft-hearted to dislike the idea of extirpating anyone with the misfortune to be born in countries where everyone and anyone is seeking their death?
    I hope he was just a lone voice. I’m sure most people disagree with him. Hopefully.

    • WTF

      They were economic migrants, they weren’t Christians or Yazedis fleeing ISIS !

  • De9

    It would have been nice to see people telling me the opinion of the gentleman I quoted was utterly wrong and immoral, but if the spectator removed the comment that is still a sign that there are some standards held by people. That’s quite reassuring.

  • global city

    Rod… you have doubtless just committed to print an islamophobic crime, of some sort…..and yet you will vote for the man who will unleash the hounds onto your *rse
    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/04/25/miliband-labour-would-outlaw-islamophobia/

  • Margot

    Why can’t pressure be brought on Saudi or the UAE to deal with it? – even if it’s only reminding them of how their ideology tells them to help their co-ideologues.

  • shoot ’em up!

  • Richard Chiu

    You could let them all in under conditions which would severely discourage future migrants. ‘Rescue’ every migrant boat you can intercept, and then set the passengers to hard labor (sex and age segregated, of course) under guard until such time as they accept deportation to some nation which will accept them.

    This may seem “politically impossible”, but certainly no more so than actually instituting a rigorous policy of turning back all boats and rescuing none. Sure, you would need to keep bleeding-heart media clear of the labor camps (and you might want to call them something else, while you’re at it), but as long as things were essentially well-run (a necessity to economically exploiting the migrants…you might want to call that something else too), the images captured by the odd intruder shouldn’t be too shocking (the importance of complete and strict segregation of the migrants by sex and age comes in here, both for keeping order and ensuring that conditions for women and children are not shockingly harsh). But let out one viral video of European littoral boats turning back a sinking ship full of brown-skinned migrants within sight of land…well, I’m shocked just imagining it. And it wouldn’t be just one video.

    The Mediterranean isn’t the South Asian Pacific. The scenario of a desperately un-seaworthy boat being turned back within sight of Australia is both unlikely and difficult for anti-Western activists to capture on video. The urge to set out across the ocean in an un-seaworthy vessel is naturally opposed by a greater concern about the possibility of disaster. Oh, and the Southeast Asians making that trip are typically smarter in the first place. These may be small differences, but they add up to something close to a total difference in situation.

  • Alex Se

    Throw in an insult at ed miliband and a racist jibe at muslims, and what there you have it! a real life article written by a grown up would ya believe! it!! (damn, i’ve caught the sarcasm bug). I accidentally fell upon this site and i’m a strange mixture of horrified and entertained. Jokingly calling Katie Hopkins Evil Nazi Hellhound does not diminish the fact that she referred to human beings as cockroaches, and sticking up for her ‘although she meant it in the sense that they were indestructible, and had clearly written the piece before the latest tragedy’ does not diminish the seriousness of her words. ‘“You have to kill the Tutsis, they’re cockroaches” springs to mind. Saying ‘I have pity, lots of pity’ loses all credibility when you go on to fully back up the use of gunships, and make ridiculous claims such as ‘million upon million upon million of people would come’. Well I disagree with you forever and ever and ever and….damn, i’ve caught the write like a disinformed, petulant toddler bug! I’ve got to get off of this site.

    • WTF

      They killed themselves by taking a chance of illegally trying to enter the EU by this root. If I want to go to any North African country, I fly in through a major airport I don’t sneak in like a cockroach does into your homes !

    • Infidelissima

      you should hear what they call us!!!!

    • William_Brown

      …and your solution is?

      You have clearly missed the point being made here. All you’ve succeeded in doing is joining the ranks of the ‘virtue signallers’ to salve your own liberal guilt, whilst contributing precisely zero, zilch, nada, to the plight of these desperate people.

      Whilst you might wish that Katie Hopkins is publically hung, drawn and quartered, it won’t save one life, it won’t affect the profits of one trafficker – Well done!

      Now, pour yourself a large Pinot and choose what Netflix boxed set
      you’re going to get absorbed in for the next few evenings. Oh, and don’t
      forget to vote Green on the 7th, so that at your dinner party on the 10th, you
      can astound all of your groupthink guests with your munificence.

  • thomasaikenhead

    David Cameron and Sarkozy caused this problem by removing Col. Gadhaffi.

    • Barzini

      David Cameron and Sarkozy are only too happy to flood Europe with immigrants, they are delighted with the chaos they have caused….

  • WTF

    Just a thought, the EU and Merkel have been banging on about self created deaths of economic migrants heading for Europe and the need for the UK to pay for illegal immigrants once again and yet not a word about all those innocent people who have died in Nepal.

    The former was human greed on the part of the traffickers and those looking for free hand outs from EU countries whilst with the latter, mankind has no control over the Nepalese natural disaster.

    Which ‘disaster’ has the greater moral imperative to help out, a man made one or an act of “god” ?

    If we take in illegals they will cost us dear for ever but if we spend our foreign aid budget on a good cause to help Nepal recover, it will help them immediately, it wont be an open check book and it will deprive undeserving third world countries of bribe money !

  • Thomas

    Who the bloody hell is Katie Hopkins?

    • Verbatim

      That was my next question.

  • HorseBishop

    spot on, once again Rod.

  • Ray Spring

    I think Rod has just stolen BNP Policy. Not sure, I will have to look it up. But we now have Rod giving a perfectly logical solution. Both solutions are logical actually. ‘Let em all come’, or close the stable door. A bit like the Berlin Wall. But not to keep them in, to keep them out. BNP Policy? Should Rod be done for Hate Speech?

  • Brimstone52

    ” prevent the Muslim passengers trying to murder everyone
    else.”

    That is just sooooo racist

    • Augustus

      Islam is not a race. But the rabidly anti-Semitic Muslims are, almost to a man and woman, racist.

      • Brimstone52

        You don’t give Muslims enough credit. They’re more than anti-Semitic. They’re anti anyone who isn’t the same as them, even other Muslims.

  • tolpuddle1

    The best immediate response is to help the Good Guys in Libya – the ones who are fighting ISIS and assorted gangsters. Then when Libya is peaceful, send them help towards the settlement of the refugees.

    But what Rod is missing, is that this is a NEW (and more serious) migration problem than the ones we’ve been used to. Despite the presence of some tough young African guys (who are economic migrants), most of the unfortunates now trying to get into Libya are genuine, old-fashioned refugees – hardly surprising, when 9 million people have been displaced by the civil war in Syria, with 3 million of them still refugees, i.e. on the road (or the sea).

    Neither the liberal approach nor Rod’s (keep ’em penned up in Libya) is of any use – this is a full-scale Refugee Crisis like that in the years after 1945. Careful logistics and planning (especially regarding re-settlement) are required.

    Whether the West can respond to this crisis as well it did to that of 1945, remains to be seen.

  • cromercrox

    There is a third way, and as with all third ways, it is the longest and stoniest – to ensure the good governance of the countries from which the people are fleeing.

  • Mr Creosote

    Why no Spectator coverage of Nigel Farage’s excellent speech at the European parliament today??

    the video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTwOap7ohc4

  • Ian

    Yes, in Australia every time a leftist government comes to power the policies change and boats start arriving. The last Labor government had 800 boats and 50,000 people arrive, with thousands more drowning. Prior to that leftist government there were virtually zero boats.

    We were were lucky, we have an MP called Scott Morrison as Australian immigration minister who has implemented all the tough policies that stopped the boats. He is, as you would expect, absolutely hated by the left. Like your BBC, our rabid leftist riddled national broadcaster the ABC and the overwhelmingly hostile mainstream press used all its powers to destroy him. But Morrison is a man with immense character and has media interviewing skill and fast wit. He was never phased by the attacking leftist journalists, in fact he enjoyed the confrontation and in the end they were cowered and beaten. Interviewing him became the short straw that no ABC journo wanted, he defeated every last one of them. Watching him rip them up was a joy to watch.

    Europe needs a Scott Morrison. I don’t think you have a hope in finding one though, you are too far gone.

    • Mr Creosote

      Nigel Farage is our Scott Morrison – see the link below.

      Our main stream media have completely ignored what went on in the European Parliament yesterday – a further scandalous loss of sovereignty engineered by Junckers.

  • Tim Conte

    Hopkins can help no debate. She simply promotes herself with her one basic trick, trolling.

  • Bryn Kewley

    This is really shoddy journalism

  • Steve

    Can’t say I agree with everything but I am definitely on board on the points that many people are just using the crisis to tout their empty faux-moral superiority and to feel better about themselves, and that simply taking in all comers is simply going to create problems (increased pressure and competition for already stretched national resources, the migrants/refugees trading a camp for a ghetto).

  • Common Porpoise

    POLITICIANS INVITING MIGRANTS INTO EUROPE WANT ‘DISINTEGRATION’ SAYS FORMER CZECH PRESIDENT VACLAV KLAUS

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/22/politicians-inviting-migrants-europe-want-disintegration-says-former-czech-president-vaclav-klaus/

    The former President of the Czech Republic, Vaclav Klaus, has accused politicians welcoming migrants to Europe of doing a disservice to the continent. He warned that the purpose of the welcoming policy is the disintegration of Europe as it is known, and the creation of a new society.

    Vaclav Klaus was writing in German newspaper, Die Welt, taking aim at “irresponsible” European politicians such as Germany’s Chancellor Angela Merkel and President Joachim Gauck…..

    …..Klaus explains what he believes to be the real motivation behind the migration policy by referring to the thoughts of the former Head of his Presidential Office, Jiri Weigl.

    He repeats Weigl’s theory that it is “precisely the purpose” of the open-arms policy to destroy cohesion in order to then build a “new Europe” on the ruins of the old “without those who are satisfied with the existing Europe.” As migrants are not bound to any of the present European states, they can more easily be re-educated, manipulated and indoctrinated to identify with a “new multiculturalist Europe.”

    Klaus then concludes:

    “Maybe [Merkel and Gauck] believe her invitation is a positive humanitarian gesture. They are wrong. On the contrary, it is a disservice to Europe. I have deep concerns about the future of European civilisation.”

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