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Shelling, militiamen and shattered villages: welcome to eastern Ukraine’s ceasefire

7 March 2015

9:00 AM

7 March 2015

9:00 AM

 

Eastern Ukraine

For a moment, the sound of shelling is drowned out by a thumping beat coming from a camouflaged van. ‘Separatysty [Separatists]!’ says the rousing chorus: ‘The day of your death is here!’ We are with a Ukrainian nationalist militia in a village outside Donetsk airport, which is in the hands of pro-Russian rebels, usually referred to by the Ukrainians as terorysty or bandyty. But despite their bravado, the war is not going well for the Ukrainian side. There have been a series of disastrous setbacks, towns and territory lost, whole units put to panicky flight.

The shattered village, Piesky, reminds me of Chechnya or Bosnia, the houses’ red roofs caved in, shell craters in the soft earth, rubble everywhere. A man, Ivan Burmistrov, and his young son are out looking for water. The day before a shell destroyed his outside toilet, he tells me. When I ask him which side he supports, he points first to the rebel positions in the distance, then to the government forces nearby. ‘They are my relatives there, and they are my relatives here too. Should I point the gun at the face of my brother? I won’t do it. The whole country has gone crazy.’

In the cellar of a destroyed house, the nationalist militiamen are full of bitter, paranoid accusations about their leadership. The generals and politicians have made a secret pact with the enemy to betray Ukraine, insists the officer, Ivan Motkovsky. ‘Let me repeat, the secret agreement exists,’ he says, seeing a sceptical expression on my face. ‘The same mistakes are repeated over and over again. They never learn from any defeat. No one can be this incompetent.’

Conflict In Eastern Ukraine Takes Its Toll On Donetsk Region
the United Nations announced over 6,000 people have been killed since the armed conflict started last April Photo: Getty

Commander Motkovsky is 28 and was an athletics coach whose only previous military experience was a spell in his university cadet force. He has wild, darting eyes after six months on the frontline. Yes, the high command are useless, says another fighter, Vasiliy Tesluk, a grey-bearded collective-farm manager who is old enough to have been part of the Soviet campaign in Afghanistan. But he has another explanation for their problems, pointing out, correctly, that the government is simply outgunned by the rebels. ‘Look at this weapon,’ he says, holding up an ancient Kalashnikov. ‘There are bullets from 1943!’


As if to confirm his argument, there is a distant crash and a rumble shakes the ground. We count ten further impacts, one after the other: rebel heavy artillery, perhaps a multiple-launch rocket system. We are visiting Piesky in the middle of what is supposed to be a ceasefire. The internationally brokered peace deal — the Minsk agreement — is two weeks old. Elsewhere in eastern Ukraine, the truce has had some effect, with both sides pulling back heavy weapons here and there. But the fighting around the airport has never really stopped.

It is only a matter of time before the ceasefire breaks down everywhere, says another of the militiamen, Lieutenant Volodimir Volkovich. ‘A political solution isn’t possible,’ he says. ‘This war didn’t start today. Russia has always tried to eliminate us. Look at history: millions were killed by the famine [engineered by Stalin in the 1930s]. Now, the next step of their operation, to capture our land, has begun.’

The militiamen are all from the Ukrainian-speaking west of the country, fighting in the Russian-speaking east. We leave their positions and drive a few miles to a checkpoint that marks the beginning of the ‘Donetsk People’s Republic’, the enclave being carved out by the rebels. ‘No Russians here,’ says the soldier at the checkpoint, unprompted, telling us he is a local man and that it is all lies by the international media that the separatists include troops sent by Moscow.

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Ukrainian volunteer Azov Battalion conducts training exercises for the civilian population in Kiev Photo: Getty

We drive on to the town of Dabeltseve, recently captured by the rebels, passing a column of tanks on the way. It is a more impressive display of firepower than anything we have seen on the government side. We are greeted by a Cossack commander, Aleksey Bogdanov, who has a freshly pressed uniform, a tall Astrakhan hat and a brand-new-looking Glock pistol on his belt. (The gun is what a British soldier would call ‘Gucci gear’.)

Commander Bogdanov shows me the system of Ukrainian trenches and bunkers his men helped to capture. The occupants fled so hastily that they left their boots behind. The difference between his troops and the government’s is one of morale, he explains. ‘If they wanted to fight they would not have given up these positions,’ he says. ‘We are fighting for our land and they don’t need it.’

He used to live in Moscow but is originally from Dontesk. Not for the first time in this conflict, the second world war is invoked. The other side shouts ‘Sieg Heil’, he says, ‘They proclaim traitors such as Bandera and Shukhevych as heroes [Stephan Bandera and Roman Shukhevych, who were allied with Nazi Germany]. I lost more than one grandfather in that war. They died on their feet so we would not have to live on our knees.’

He says that — rather improbably — the nationalists have chest tattoos saying ‘Slave Holder’. How could any man stand for that? He points to a government-held village on a hill a few miles off: that is where his troops will go on the offensive next. Then he remembers there is supposed to be a truce, adding hastily: ‘Once those hooligans break the ceasefire. We stick to agreements — they don’t.’

Conflict In Eastern Ukraine Takes Its Toll On Donetsk Region
A Ukrainian tank sits destroyed in an entrenched battlefield where the Ukrainian army was defeated by pro-Russian rebels Photo: Getty

If the pro-Russian rebels go on the offensive again, and if there is another big defeat for the Ukrainians, the United States could step into this conflict, arming the government. That prospect is greeted with horror in the Russian-speaking areas that form the Donetsk People’s Republic. The Ukrainian side has artillery, too, and there is abundant evidence they use it indiscriminately.

In the village of Alexandrovka, locals show us the remains of cluster bombs, fired they say by government troops. Vera Kovalenko weeps as she shows me mortar damage to her house. ‘We are all Ukrainians; we have Ukrainian passports; we live in Ukraine. So why do they kill our children? We spent the whole summer in the cellars.’ She goes on: ‘We used to live side by side here, just as in the Soviet Union. For us, everyone is equal. We would expect this kind of thing from the Germans — but not from our people.’

The villagers tell me that opinion in Alexandrovka used to be evenly split between support for Moscow and for Kiev. Now 90 per cent are for Moscow and the rebels. ‘We know who is shelling us — and it’s not the rebels,’ says Mrs Kovalenko. ‘The rebels will liberate us.’

With each new round of fighting, opinion on both sides hardens. Seen from the ground, government and rebels are treating the ceasefire not as an end to hostilities but as a chance to rearm and regroup. Both sides in Ukraine are preparing for war.

Paul Wood is a BBC foreign correspondent

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  • Doom Sternz

    Colour revolutions are based upon a fusion of the Rand Corporations “swarming” technique. Remember the Rand Corporation documented the the necessary genocide of the Donbass to ensure a pro Russian government is not returned to Ukraine. The Non-governmental organisations (NGOs) act as an extension of western intelligence agencies to create artificial revolutionary movements in countries that oppose Anglo-American hegemony. They always appear as organic demonstrations by people against a corrupt ruling class, which is reinforced and sometimes manufactured by the mainstream corporate media.

    As in the case of the 2000 coup in Serbia, the 2003 Rose Revolution in Georgia and the 2004 Orange Revolution in Ukraine are some of the most notorious coups where this technique has been used. The most experienced NGO that has been involved in the majority of the colour revolutions over the past two decades is the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), whose funding is entirely dependent on the White House and Congress. For the NED “Ukraine is the biggest prize”, this organisation was heavily involved in orchestrating protests in Kiev.

    Along with fellow regime changing organisations such as George Soros’s Open Society Foundation (OSF) and U.S. Agency for International Development (U.S. AID), NED controls proxy organisations across the globe.

  • Doom Sternz

    It was a violent, armed coup spearheaded by right sector militants that placed Yatsenyuk into power in the first place, along with the Neo-Nazi political front Svoboda, and paved way for fraudulent elections that predictably yielded a pro-US-EU client regime. From fabricating an “invasion,” to claims of “threatened” lives, to the labeling of Russians as “subhuman,” Yatsenyuk has recited fully the script of Nazism used to justify its various historical crimes against humanity.

    Kiev’s forces in eastern Ukraine are not fighting an “invasion,” but constitute an invading force themselves, making incursions into eastern Ukraine and holding territory only through unmitigated brutality against local populations clearly collaborating with armed self-defense forces intent on resisting Kiev’s authority.

    Its no coincidence that Victoria Nuland indicated the US had invested $5 billion on a regime change in Ukraine and its no coincidence that the CIA is in Kiev to ensure that the regime change occurs. Its no coincidence that the Rand Corporation have documented the necessary steps to genocide the eastern federations prior to the events and its no coincidence that fascist organisations were enlisted to action the genocide.

    Why genocide these federations….To ensure that a pro Russian government is not returned to power in Ukraine.

  • Ivan Ewan

    Seriously how much money do these f****ng putinbots get paid? Who assigns them with talking points?

    Doom Sternz, Black_Arrow, Cyril Sneer and the rest of you – since day 1, hour 1 of the illegal Russian invasion of the Crimean peninsula of the Ukraine – you’ve sold your souls for money. You are legitimising the murder of people who are trying to defend their country. Is it just money, or do you jerk off to pictures of Putin as well?

    • Scradje

      Probably both. Kremtrolls almost always turn out these days to be fascists and jew haters. Many of them are also ukippers, or kremkippers if you like. All western outlets seem to swarm with them posting the same hate, lies and threats. Almost word for word verbatim.

      • Cyril Sneer

        Azov Battalion, Aidar Battalion, Svoboda, Right Sector, massacre in Odessa – there’s your fascists, and you know all about them don’t you Scradje as that is where you’re coming from. I know who you are Scradje, you’re a fascist through and through.

        Go get yourself killed in East Ukraine, go the same way as the rest of your fascist jew hating russian hating brethren. I got plenty of videos of your dead, beaten by simple farmers and labourers. Join up Scradje I implore you.

        • Scradje

          You are a paid kremlin troll obviously. The volunteer battalions you refer to have not invaded anybody. They only exist because their country has been invaded by fascists and neo -nazis. You are seething with so much hate , just like all the other fascists. It is the fascists like you who are Jew haters, why do you think so many of putler’s victims have been Jewish ? However much you try to deflect with lies and hate; there is no getting around it; you are a professional apologist for a fascist power that is committing mass murder on a weaker nation. Where are you from troll ? You are anti-Russian and pro-fascism. Being anti-putler is a pro-Russian cause. Like many of my Russian friends I hate the foul crimes bring committed on a brother nation. You are a vile, hate filled troll who gloats at Ukraine’s agony.

          • Vic

            To be fair. Ukraine left Nazis far behind. Germans used to transport Russians to camps and then kill. Ukrainians horde Russians to the buildings and set it alight right there and then. Odessa, May, 2014. It’s European efficiency.

          • Scradje

            From your sobriquet, you are at least honest enough to admit who you are. You should also admit who you and your thug friends worship: the raving fascist and genocidal maniac Aleksandr Dugin. A man admired by putler. The Russian occupation of Donbas and the evil crimes committed there by the occupation forces is as bad as the nazis. Odessa has been used for kremtroll propaganda. What actually happened there is not yet clear, or who exactly is to blame. The truth will come out though and it won’t be what you expect. However, it can be stated with total certainty that the Russian fascist invader has committed atrocities of similar horror to what one might expect from Isil. 500 innocent civilians murdered whilst sheltering in basements in Debaltsove and many deliberately murdered in their homes by rocket attacks in Mariupol and Kramatorsk. The fascist rulers of Russia should be begging Ukraine for mercy for the last time it committed genocide, the holodomor, instead of invading and committing mass murder yet again.

          • Vic

            What does it mean “What happened in Odessa is not clear”? It’s a year to the date. Witnesses were beaten up right on the steps of Odessa court. I mean, fifty people were burned alive. Yet, guilty parties walking the streets of Odessa and abuse victims. German Nazi would only dream about this. Right now Ukraine government blocked deliveries of food into Donetsk. Trucks line up for days on the Ukraine Army check-posts. People of Donetsk need food and medicine NOW.

          • Scradje

            Get out of Ukraine. Stay out. You won’t missed. Go back to doing what you do best; murdering your own people.

          • Vic

            You are too emotional for logical discussion. Advice, listen to Relax FM from Moscow, it will come you down.

          • Scradje

            4500 Ukrainian civilians and 1500 Ukrainian soldiers have been murdered on their own land by the invader. An unknown number of invaders have died too. However many it is, it is nowhere near enough. The Kremlin fascists are awfully keen on the fake ‘insurgencies’ they created in Ukraine, yet strangely enough they ruthlessly crush the genuine independence movements within the RF. Those same thugs also have much more serious territorial disputes with other neighbours such as China and the US. But they will never invade, because like all thugs and bullies they are too cowardly to pick on people who can fight back hard. Get out of Ukraine. Stay out. Don’t come back; stick with murdering your own people. You have turned a brother nation into people who loathe, detest and despise you. Well done thugs.

          • Vic

            Look, nobody ask us if we want to be part of Ukraine. One day we woke up, bum, we are Ukrainian citizens. No language, tradition or loyalty. Some people do not want to be Ukrainians. Live with this. Instead of absolutely idiotic war, use your brains to negotiate with rebels.

          • Scradje

            If you hate the country you live in, go and live where you will be happy. That is what everyone else in the world has to do. Why should exceptions be made for you? There are many fine Russians; I am very pro-Russia. That is why I want its government to behave like civilised Russians, not thugs.

          • rtj1211

            If you state that ethnic Russians who have never been Ukrainian are either told to be Ukrainian, not to speak Russian (which is their native tongue) or to leave where their families have lived for centuries, you are a simpleton who should not engage in diplomacy.

            There is going to have to be a diplomatic solution, with compromises on both sides. Claiming that it is only Russians doing the killing is plain lying. All sides have been murdering and you trying to claim otherwise merely shows you to be the village idiot.

            Whether you like it or not, the eastern regions of the current geographic entity known as ‘Ukraine’ are tied not to Europe like Western Ukraine was/is, but have ethnic, cultural and trade ties to Russia. They do not consider themselves extensions of previous expansions of Europe eastward, be that from Austro-Hungary, be that from Poland or be that from anywhere else. Whether you like it or not, Crimea and Sevastopol was always seen as Russian and was ‘donated’ to the Soviet State of ‘Ukraine’ by Khruschev (whose historical documentation may be undergoing various revisions given current events…..)

            I am not Ukrainian, I am not Russian, I am not a Putin troll, and I am not a troll for John Kerry et al either. I am simply a British citizen who does not want his own country dragged into a senseless war where we have no strategic interests at heart, where we have almost nothing to gain if we are not global heroin traffickers and where we have a great deal to lose by invoking hateful thoughts in the nation of Russia, whose memory of previous slights is rather more unforgiving than many other nations we might choose to cross swords with……

          • Scradje

            If you want to debate and you claim not to be a troll, then keep a civil tongue in your head. You obviously know very little about Russia or Ukraine. In December 1991 Ukraine held an independence referendum. The result was an average 93% yes across all oblasts. In Donetsk and Luhansk it was 84%. The issue is settled. Every poll since then has reiterated that position, except of course the fake, under occupation ‘referenda’ of last year, which even invasion commander Igor Girkin publicly admitted was a sham. The ethnic Russian population of the Donbas is 38% and far, far from all of them even are separatists. Which explains why Girkin publicly lamented that he could not even muster 1000 local fighters. It is an invasion, not a civil war.
            In Crimea the vote was 55% yes, still a reasonable result in a two horse race. Like Scotland, only in reverse. The sham, under occupation referendum last year did not even offer a status quo option.

          • Vic

            I hear it every other day wearing Spartacus club hat in Kiev. “Suitcase, train station, Russia’, I’ll hangout in Ukraine for a while.

          • Scradje

            For what purpose?

          • Cyril Sneer

            It didn’t take long for you to call for ethnic cleansing.

            Fascist is what fascist does Scradje.

          • Scradje

            That us an old kremtroll deflection trick. I never called for ethnic cleansing, it is the Ukrainians who are suffering genocjde from the invader.

          • Cyril Sneer

            “If you hate the country you live in, go and live where you will be
            happy. That is what everyone else in the world has to do. Why should
            exceptions be made for you?”

            Ethnic cleansing Scradje, that’s what you support.

            They don’t hate their country, they have their own country now. Suck it up Scradje.

          • Cyril Sneer

            The Kiev government is shelling and killing its own people you f cktard.

            Get your government to shell your city and kill your people then see how you feel then you ignorant fascist scrote.

          • Scradje

            Back to insults and hate, you forget that I actually know these countries and know exactly what is going on. You are a closet putler worshipper trying to fit your kremkipper narrative. I will offer just one example if the many vile atrocities committed by putler’s proxies: the 500 totally innocent people found dead in basements in debaltseve after putler ordered the attack while conducting ‘peace’ negotiatons in Minsk. For that evil act alone he deserves the contempt of the civilized world. Only the most sick, depraved fascist could condone such an act.

          • Cyril Sneer

            Calling someone a fascist is an insult. Between you and that Mc pussy you all cry fake offence and outrage whilst turning a blind eye to the cold blooded murder of civilians in East Ukraine by your fascist brothers in arms.

            “you forget that I actually know these countries and know exactly what is going on.”

            Are you there Scradje? In East Ukraine? No you’re not. I’m sure you’re fully embedded in Kiev though – I bet the CIA office is right next door.

          • Scradje

            Whereas you are holed up in your squalid bedsit. Have you declared your troll earnings to the dole office?

          • Cyril Sneer

            Well Kiev knows all about murdering their own.

            To read your posts is to witness hypocrisy in action. It truly is something to behold – the things you complain about (fascists etc) are precisely the qualities your Kiev government have and exercise daily.

          • Scradje

            Kremtrolls are always ordered to post fascist slurs against Ukraine. This despicable system has been in operation for the past year. Fascists accusing others of their own sins. You hate Ukraine because it wants to be free from the the imperial ruler that murdered up to ten million of its people in the holodomor. People who post hate comments gloating at Ukraine’s agony are lower than vermin.

          • Cyril Sneer

            Svoboda.
            Right Sector.
            Azov Battalion.
            Aidar Battalion.

            You lose.

          • Scradje

            They haven’t invaded anyone, fascist troll.

          • Cyril Sneer

            “Odessa has been used for kremtroll propaganda. What actually happened there is not yet clear, or who exactly is to blame.”

            It’s clear as day. Right Sector murdered those people and they got away with it. There is an abundance of evidence out there.

            We have videos where people jump from the burning building only to be beaten to death as they landed by Right Sector thugs outside. I’ve seen it Scradje. Even the (few) police that were there were shooting at people in that building. This went on for hours, no police to stop what was happening, no fire brigade, no independent investigation.

            You cry about fascists and yet the Kiev government is precisely that – their actions define them as fascist, irrelevant of Svobda and Right Sector having prominent positions in the interim Kiev government. They shell their own people, they call for ethic Russians to be forced out. Quintessential fascists that you Scradje support.

          • Scradje

            There are less fascists in Ukraine than in any nation in Europe. The RF on the other hand, is swarming with them. Their leaders are Zhirinovsky, Dugin and putler himself. Not to mention the vile Chechen leader Kadyrov, who has praised the murder of Boris nemtsov. And has just received an award from putler. Why are you not concerned about the 3500 innocent Ukrainians murdered on their own land by the invader? And the 1500 Ukrainian soldiers killed defending their land from the invader? You do not speak Russian and have never visited those countries , so why don’t you vent your ignorance and hate elsewhere?

          • Cyril Sneer

            ” Why are you not concerned about the 3500 innocent Ukrainians murdered on their own land by the invader?”

            Because they weren’t killed by Russia, they were killed by their own government via indiscriminate shelling of their towns and cities which I hasten to add is a war crime.

          • Scradje

            You are an even bigger idiot and liar than I thought.

          • Cyril Sneer

            Wow now I’m a Jew hater! I have some 30,000 posts to my name and not one contains any jew hatred whatsoever.

            I support Israel you ignorant, always have.

          • Scradje

            Almost 100% of the kremtrolls turn out to be Jew haters. If you are not , then you are on the wrong side. Apart from being devout fascists, the leaders of the Donbas occupation are dedicated Jew haters, as is their neo nazi ideologue, Dugin.

          • Cyril Sneer

            If you claim to know anything about fascism then you should be fully aware of what Svoboda and Right Sector stand for and Jew hatred is part and parcel of their ideology. Of course you’re aware of this but you choose to pretend that it doesn’t exist. You’re a liar, a fraud and an appeaser for fascism.

            “Almost 100% of the kremtrolls turn out to be Jew haters.”

            You haven’t got a clue what you’re talking about. You accuse anyone of having a differing view as a kremtroll. You’re just a sad little paranoid fascist sympathiser.

          • Scradje

            Both Svoboda and right sector contain jews in their ranks you fascist cretin. They have not invaded anyone either.

          • Mc

            The interesting thing about the Krembots is that they know every tiny detail of the strange arguments peddled by the Kremlin, including calling the Kiev government Fascists.

            The funny thing is that every totalitarian regime like Putin’s love calling their enemies Fascists and autocrats. They also use exactly the same vocabulary and grammar. Is there some course run by the FSB that trains people in constructing strangulated English phrases? Perhaps Cyril Sneer and his buddies could enlighten us on the details of the FSB’s language courses.

          • Scradje

            Thank you for your comment Mc. If you look at any random dictionary definition of fascism; it describes putler’s government to a tee. The funny thing is that the kremtrolls are all worshippers of the fascist dwarf and get upset with any criticism of the old mass murderer. I am often accused of being a Russophobe, which makes me laugh, because I am pro-Russia and know the country very well. But just like many Russians I am opposed to its appalling govt and yearn for the day when they embrace democracy. The kremtrolls are in reality anti-Russia because they are pro-fascism. Most of them probably have never even been there and have some fantasy of the place from watching the kremprop channel RT. The useful idiots used to be commies and CND nutters, now they are almost all fascists. Perhaps surprisingly many of the ones on here turn out to be ukippers, or kremkippers if you like. Which would suggest that UKIP is picking up support from ex-BNP nutters.
            The kremtrolls have posting for the past year the same lies, hatred and threats aimed at Ukraine, the EU and the US, combined with admiring comments about the weirdo Putler complementing him on his masculinity. It would be funny if it was not so sick. As soon as the Kremlin fascists invaded Ukraine, the order went out to smear Ukraine with the brainless narative; ‘the US/EU/NeoCons funded a facist coup in order to threaten Russia. And the dear leader Putin is going to protect Russians from the Kiev fascists’. Sadly all too many braindead people out there believe this cack and to this day it gets posted ad nauseam.

          • Mc

            Interesting insight on many Krembots being UKIPers – I haven’t really kept note of their comment history to pick up on that.

            Sadly it always the general population that suffers from Putin’s activities in Russia and his neighbourhood. Some things never change.

          • Scradje

            Here are just a few confirmed kremkippers: DaveEdCamerBand, emily enso, ice_inc, cyril sneer, gorgon. A very unsavory bunch; but there are many more. Some are proud of it, some try to hide it. There are several very decent anti-putler ukippers too; a good example is theboggart.

        • Mc

          You sound absolutely lovely, the way you wish death on others.

          • Cyril Sneer

            At least I don’t turn a blind eye to it.

          • Mc

            Not to worry, I don’t have the time to be offended by the likes of you. Though I certainly wouldn’t want to be in your vicinity if I had the misfortune to live in Russia, in case you arranged me a visit from the FSB.

          • Cyril Sneer

            As you live in Kiev then you’ve nothing to worry about. Or have you moved to Langley now?

        • Dr. Heath

          Those simple farmers and labourers who just happen to have huge tanks, rocket launchers and up-to-date artillery? You are absolutely a troll, no doubt about it. Scradje and Mc have you sussed, tovarisch.

    • Garry

      Yeah..it must be annoying when those last few sheep refuse to be herded.

    • Cyril Sneer

      Truly hilarious that you seriously think we’re all paid by the Kremlin. I didn’t realise people could be THAT stupid, but no here you are with ignorant posts and your accusations with no proof.

      I work for a larger international company in the manufacturing sector, I’m a born and bred Englishman, live in England, am right wing and one my of main hobbies is the news, namely our foreign policy. I get my news from international news sites, citizen journalists, bloggers and citizens who with a camera phone report what mainstream newsites won’t. There is a wealth of data out there on Ukraine and of the criminal actions of the Kiev government but you won’t find that in the western MSM.

      • Scradje

        You know less than nothing about Ukraine or Russia. Which make you worse than the kremtrolls, who are being paid to post hatred and lies that they know have been manufactured for them in SP. You actually believe the RT propaganda drivel, which makes you a useful idiot. Stupidity on a par with that of William Joyce. Kremkippers are fascists, which makes them anti-British, anti-English. Lies, hatred and threats are not normal English traits; there is something wrong with someone who worships a vicious fascist invader and gloats at a weaker nation’s agony.

        • Cyril Sneer

          I don’t even watch RT you ignoramus.

          The fact that you think anyone with a differing opinion gets their info purely from RT just shows how clueless you are. There are plenty of ‘non-western mainstream’ media sites out there that don’t pay lip service to the US and EU – I get my news from those. In addition Liveleak, Youtube show what Kiev’s military campaign is all about – it tends to go like this – attack, lose, shell shell shell shell shell.

          Where in Britain are you from Scradje? You’re not are you? About time you start being honest about who you are and who you work for.

          “there is something wrong with someone who worships a vicious fascist invader and gloats at a weaker nation’s agony”

          Hence my rejection of US foreign policy – you will note that my venom is not limited to US/EU actions in Ukraine but also to Syria, Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan.

          It’s undeniable Scradje, so my question to you is how can you support the fascist US government? You’re another hard of thinking neo-liberal right? Or perhaps you’re just simply a paid Langley/Kiev stooge.

          • Scradje

            I don’t care about the US. I can debate US policies elsewhere; this is about a strong fascist power invading a weak neighbour and committing mass murder. Those who support that are sick.

          • Cyril Sneer

            This is everything to do with the US, your little coup bought and paid for by the US government. Your man McCain seems to like hanging out with extremists, on his off days from hanging with jihadists he also likes to hang with Right Sector and Svoboda fascists. He gets around your man McCain, keeps very questionable company though.

          • Scradje

            Your posts are getting increasingly insane. The kremkippers have posting for the past year lies, hatred and threats aimed at Ukraine, the EU and the US, combined with admiring comments about the weird little fascist dwarf Putler complementing him on his masculinity. It would be funny if it was not so sick. As soon as the Kremlin fascists invaded Ukraine, the order went out to smear Ukraine. Only the most stupid of the useful idiots bought into their brainless narative; ‘the US/EU/NeoCons funded a facist coup in order to threaten Russia. And brave Putin is going to the rescue of Russians’. If you had even the brains of a bunny rabbit you might see through it, but of course you are a kipper. You should be in the BMP with all the other kremkippers.

    • T_H_E_R_I_O_N

      Ewan posts everywhere in here for free. Must be unemployed.

    • Mc

      Putin knows full well that he appeals to a homoerotic demographic that loves seeing him bare chested. The sight of one photo like that and his Krembots are fired up to type drivel all day.

      • Dr. Heath

        Perhaps there’s even more to this than your comment alludes to. Leaders of failed states rarely do nothing in the face of rampant corruption, de-industrialisation, a falling population, alcoholism, HIV plagues, drug addiction and a burgeoning population of Muslim citizens who’ve taken to blowing up train and Metro stations and airports.

        So what does our brave little Putko do? He can’t exactly do nothing, as he’d like, so he gets his tits out. Awesome.

        • Mc

          Image is everything, even if it involves displaying one’s aged man boobs or homoerotically wrestling 😉

          • Dr. Heath

            True. Clearly, Putain’s audience has different tastes from those of people outside the Russian Federation. Is gay wrestling popular there?

          • Mc

            Maybe due to many generations of Russians spending time over many centuries in Tsarist, Communist and post-Communist gulags, a taste for male bonding, homoerotic activities has become genetically imprinted on the Russian population 😉

          • Cyril Sneer

            So you hate gays.

            I personally have no issues with gays, I reject gay marriage but support civil partnerships with the same rights as married straight couples.

            What you’re trying to do is insult us by calling us gay or closet gays because you think we have some sort of fixation with a shirtless Putin. I’m afraid that tells us more about YOU than it does ‘us’.

      • Cyril Sneer

        Ok so you’re homophobic, don’t let the liberal left hear you.

        • Mc

          You’re not subtle enough to understand that I’m not homophobic. Instead, I’m poking fun at Putin, a man who is publically virulently anti-gay but who camps it up at every opportunity. Being a tyrant, he’s incapable of realizing the irony – perhaps you could point this out to him next time you’re at the Kremlin and he invites you to partake in some wrestling on his office shag pile.

          • Cyril Sneer

            Like I said you’re homophobic hence your use of homosexuality as an insult.

            Putins comments at the Sochi Olympics re. homosexuality, gay marriage etc were spot on. He is representing the Russian people in that there is no support for gay marriage and no desire to import this liberal ideology that is only applied against certain anti-US targets and not obvious offenders like Saudi Arabia. Funny that….

          • Mc

            Oh dear. More whataboutism from a Putin fan boy. By the way, do you have a framed portrait of him by your bedside?

        • Mc

          I believe you’re in need of a serious upgrade to your intellectual capacities and get some tuition in logical fallacies such as straw man arguments.

    • Vic

      Why don’t you admit two facts. This is civil war. East Ukraine economy tied to Russian. EU won’t buy stuff they make. Just leave these people alone.

      • Ivan Ewan

        None of those things are facts. Russia isn’t even trying to hide their involvement.

        • Vic

          Well entire power of US and EU is on Ukrainian side, they do not hide anything either, proud.

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