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Only Muslims can stop more terror attacks

Neither they, nor their religion, stand accused. But nor, for all our sakes, can they stand aside

17 January 2015

9:00 AM

17 January 2015

9:00 AM

The targeted assassinations at Charlie Hebdo are triply repellent. Being planned, they are the product of considered decisions, not a moment of folly. Being aimed at journalists, they have deliberately chosen the vulnerable heart of the freedom that is fundamental to our values. Being gratuitously cruel in casually murdering an already wounded policeman, they display a chilling depravity. As such, attacks like this are intolerable: they must be stopped, and therefore they must be understood.

The assassinations follow the random car-crash terrorism of December and the Syrian beheadings of November. All were perpetrated by young Muslim men. But what we are experiencing is not the product of a religion: it does not deserve to be so dignified. Rather, we are in the midst of a new culture of violence. Occasionally, throughout history, such cultures have perpetrated viciousness. Previous European excrescences have been fascism in 1930s Germany, and the Red Brigades in 1970s Italy. A culture of violence is a vile and self-perpetuating belief system, but it can be crushed.

In all societies, a significant minority of young men are hormonally predisposed to violence. A core task for a community is to restrain them by means of its culture. Over the centuries Europe’s communities have succeeded so well that our region has become by far the most peaceful society that has ever been known. Yet against this background of peace, Europe’s Muslim communities have manifestly failed to build sufficiently powerful cultural restraints.

Behaviour of any group is described by a frequency distribution. The Muslim community must take responsibility not just for behaviour in the middle of the distribution, where Muslims are as peaceable as anyone else, but for behaviour at its tail. Those young men predisposed to violence have found in Islam a convenient norm which enables them to reconcile their desires with their conscience: killing infidels for Allah is justified. Of course, this is a misinterpretation of modern Islam, but it is evidently a feasible one. Violent youth are not able to find an equivalent misinterpretation in modern Christianity.

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Slain hostage-taker Amedy Coulibaly, who shot a policewoman and four hostages at a kosher grocery in Paris Photo: AP/Militant Video

Many of these young men from across Europe have gone to Syria to try to kill people. This is not even a political phenomenon, let alone a religious one. It is best thought of as ‘conflict tourism’: a real-life version of a video game. While humane youth with a sense of adventure go off to Africa to do good, violent youth go to Syria to posture with guns and pull besotted girls. This, I think, is why about a quarter of the young men who go to fight in Syria are converts. They are not exceptionally religious people driven by their faith into foreign violence: indeed, if they were, Islam as a faith would stand condemned. Rather, they are exceptionally self-indulgent people, needing to reconcile their lust for excitement with their conscience, and so adopting what they can mistake for Islamic norms.


Conflict tourism, like all tourism, has the triviality of entertainment. Yet it is evil because, like the worst form of colonialism, it lets foreigners with guns impose their lifestyles, uninvited, on others. A blond Swedish conflict tourist in Iraq is reported as saying, ‘I’m having the time of my life.’ In the process, he is providing his Syrian victims with the time of their death.

Unsurprisingly, Europe’s conflict tourists are hated by their unwilling hosts. Quite obviously, we must stop these dangerous idiots from returning to Europe. Apart from our own security, discouraging the outflow is the least we can do to help the Syrian victims. To block return we urgently need to change the law. But the fundamental task is to break the culture of violence itself.

German fascism is dead because a subsequent generation of German youth decisively repudiated the one-time beliefs of their parents. The Red Brigades and Bader-Meinhof are dead because young Italians and Germans came to see them as spoilt brats playing at violence, rather than as the vanguard of revolution. In crushing the current culture of violence, Europe’s Muslim community will play the vital role.

Although repression makes a necessary contribution, cultures of violence are only broken by mockery: the Kouachi brothers recognised a potent enemy. But to be effective, the mockery must come not from those whom the violent hate, but from those they esteem.

An example from history is the rapid disappearance of the culture of duelling. The practice had been endemic in Europe for decades when governments began to punish it. But the decisive factor was that a rising generation started to see their elders’ duels as ridiculous. Instead of being honoured, duellists were mocked, as the young embraced Enlightenment values. This is the task now for Muslims. Success will be when the young relatives of terrorists such as Saïd Kouachi see them as clowns rather than martyrs. Only the Muslim community can do that.

Unfortunately, it is quite clearly necessary because, to date, Islamic discourse has been sloppily capable of misinterpretation. All the paraphernalia of violence must be mocked away. A fatwa (the idea that a cleric can legitimately threaten or license violence), jihad, and death for apostates, must all become as preposterous to European Muslims as inquisitorial torture now is to Christians. European Islam must decisively and repeatedly repudiate all the doctrines that violent European youth are finding so convenient.

Fortunately, it is easy to do. European Islam has at its disposal a very effective social network of mosques and religious leaders. Nobody converts without going to a mosque. Parents can better police the networks of their teenagers.

This is the responsibility that can legitimately be placed on Europe’s Muslims. Neither they nor their religion stand accused. But nor can they stand aside. They cannot in good conscience say ‘It’s nothing to do with me.’ By failing to act unprompted with sufficient vigour to suppress the norms and narratives of violence that circulate on the fringes, Muslims have allowed their culture to be twisted. For all our sakes they must make it manifest to all young wannabe warriors that modern Islam is as distant from providing an alibi for violence as is modern Christianity.

Paul Collier is a professor at the Blavatnik School of Government at Oxford University and an invited distinguished professor at Sciences Po in Paris.

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  • Rik

    First Sir you appear like many other commentators you appear to have forgotten the other victims of the Paris atrocities i find this abhorrent.
    To your main point a most excellent one we should require every Imam in every mosque to preach against violence,terror,honour murders,death to homosexuals,stoning of adulterers and most of all against death for apostasy.
    Failure to comply should lead to the closure of the mosque

    • John Croston

      That would be preaching against Islam and the word of Allah himself. No Muslim is going to admit Allah got so much wrong when he “revealed” the Koran.

      • somewhereinthesouth

        Before the Prophet the Arabs did not have much of a religion .Funny how much of the Prophet’s “revelation” was mostly borrowed from existing religions in the region including Christianity and Judaism.Not very original . What is odd that so much of the rest of so called the revelations was also about killing people [infidels] from whom much of the beliefs about God were borrowed. What is more , Mohammed acted out his hatred of non believers in wars and raids. Was out of kindness and peace or for control of their lands and booty? Islam, as I understand it means submit . In this context the answers to this question are pretty obvious if you give any attention to the matter. Muslims need to read what their texts actually say and look into their history . It isn’t pretty. When they do they will abandon it or reform it.

        • ugly_fish

          I recommend the following book.

          http://www.amazon.co.uk/Did-Muhammad-Exist-Inquiry-Obscure/dp/161017061X
          There is a lot of evidence in the Koran that it, and Islam, sprang out of a branch of Syriac Christianity, anathematized at the Council of Nicaea, but which retained strong roots in the Middle East and Arabia. The historical origins of Mohammed (which means “the chosen one”) are very obscure, and there is also evidence to suggest that this appellation was used by the Syriac Christians to refer to Jesus Christ.

  • Mister Rible

    they CAN, but they WON’T

    • wudyermucuss

      They can’t.
      Mo’s word is final.
      And perfect.
      Straight from their invisible floaty friend in the sky.

      Scientology is more rational.

  • Freeworld

    Yes indeed very curious why the murder of four Jewish shoppers is not mentioned in this article, I mean why is that. Otherwise I’m afraid another example of pussyfooting around the problem within Islam, and deep within, why does he think that these young sociopaths male and female are drawn to Islam in particular, they don’t seek conversion to Christianity, Judaism etc always Islam. And still only days after the Je suis Charlie proclamations we have the bbc covering the five million print run of Charlie he do with the front cover hidden.

    • Guest

      Jews only matter when they are protecting themselves against the peaceful Palestinians, as the aggressors.

      The british media has had enough of Jews being victims.

      • Ivan Ewan

        That’s probably why they usually ignore it when Islamic supremacists go about slaughtering Jews, as we’ve seen a number of times in France recently.

        • Richard

          It goes against their agenda. Indeed. Like we hear very little about South African blacks killing immigrant blacks from elsewhere, because it goes against what they want us to think about South African blacks.

          • John Croston

            And we never hear of South African blacks killing South African whites either. It’s a genocide that must not be named.

          • Richard

            Yes, that is… (wait for it)… beyond the pale.

      • Richard

        But never, never, never enough of Muslims as being victims.

        • somewhereinthesouth

          The real problem is that many muslims see themselves as victims and hence the reactionary and sometimes violent response and hatred of anything different. The Koranic texts can then be used to justify such feelings.

      • Shorne

        Gaza is ruled by HAMAS.
        Article 7 of the HAMAS Charter looks forward to the death of all Jews.
        The Palestinian Authority’s envoy to the United Nations has described HAMAS’s random rocket launches as a war crime.
        You don’t know what you’re talking about.

  • MikeF

    Islamic fundamentalsim will be crushed when we all stand up unapologetically for the Western values of free speech and democracy and ditch along the way ditch the pernicous concept of ‘Islamophobia’ – a sectarian phantasm that does not actually exist. But doing so also involves standing up to the Western Left, which uses that concept as smokescreen for its own purposes.

  • Richard

    Why do you call the violence a “misinterpretation” of Islam? It is as valid an interpretation of Islam as any other. The Muslim prophet himself slayed hundreds of Jews. Simply because it means people are being killed, doesn’t mean it is a misinterpretation. Islam contains many verses of violence, as well as some of peace.

    Judaism also exhorts its adherents to stone people to death for certain offences. Luckily, though, they aren’t as primitive and have moved beyond literalism.

    To call it a misinterpretation is a real cop-out.

    • RobertC

      Yes, why does the Spectator inflict such shallow contributions?

      How can we treat this article with any respect when Erdogan, the Turkish PM, a muslim leader of a muslim country, commented on the term “moderate Islam”:
      “These descriptions are very ugly, it is offensive and an insult to our religion. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it.”

    • Richard Baranov

      The Muslim prophet himself slayed hundreds of Jews. That is simply untrue, his sword slipped! Sheer bad luck, I tell you.

      • Matteo O

        You forgot to mention that is was our fault and it had absolutely nothing to do with religion…

    • The Muslim prophet himself slayed hundreds of Jews.

      And Christians, and pagans and followers of several other cults…his crazy followers moving on to other countries and religions. Plus ça change…

  • beenzrgud

    Any significant reformation of Islam can only come from Muslims themselves. At the very least I foresee civil war amongst Muslims as part of this process. Just as we try and keep murderers from returning to our country from the middle east we should also deport anyone displaying support for their actions. We need to make clear that we will not tolerate any disruption to our society from minority groups, and anyone who breaks the rules should go.

    • somewhereinthesouth

      Deport them to where? Many of them were born here. We may need to reeducate them however Maoist that sounds.

      • Jim Station

        Putting them on a spartan prison on South Georgia? Nobody else lives there from what I understand so no-one else can be harmed. I can’t envisage much mobile network or other internet coverage there either!

  • Zanderz

    It seems Paul Collier is the official voice of Islam, able to soundly call out those that ‘misinterpret it’.

    It never ceases to amaze me that the intelligentsia still think they determine what Islam is and isn’t, wilfully ignoring the hundreds of millions of Muslims that follow the violent, totalitarian, expansionist and entirely valid interpretations.

    Islam isn’t and has never been a monolith. Some interpretations of Islam are horrible, but they are valid interpretations, that’s just a fact. And those interpretations are seductive to men and women across the globe.

    • John Croston

      Violent people are obviously going to be attracted to an ideology that condones and justifies violence – and Islam does that.

    • LittleRedRidingHood

      And wilfully ignoring the hundreds of millions killed by muslims since the 7th century. 80 million Hindus slaughtered for a start

  • JSC

    The problem with injecting a little humour and self awareness into Islam, in my experience, comes from Muslim’s sub-concious belief that insulting Islam or Mohammed isn’t just an insult, but a physical threat against them.

    I’ve lost count of the number of internet debates I’ve had that followed this theme:

    Me: “No one has the right not to be offended, there’s nothing intrinsically offensive, one man’s blasphemy is another man’s light hearted joke and Mohammed was a bit of an ass at times”
    Muslim: “I’m offended by that, but you say I’m free to say something back to offend you then?”
    Me: “Sure, I have thick skin.”
    Muslim: “OK then, I know where you live and I’m going to break into your house in the dead of night, rape your wife and murder your children.”

    I kid you not. The internet is littered with conversations like this.

    P.s.

    I still wasn’t offended.

    • Zanderz

      Interesting point and backed up by Douglas Murray’s comments about his BBC interview with a ‘moderate’ who took great offense when Murray questioned mohamed’s actions.

      This attitude must be instilled into Muslims from an early age, I’d find it hard to belive that older converts would have the same response, but maybe I’m being niave.

      • RobertC

        islam’s fear and violence had already begun when it was acceptable for old men to have sex with nine year old girls.

        • somewhereinthesouth

          The problem with strong religious belief is that if you accept ANY criticism then it is likely that the whole edifice will fall as a like a tower struck by a lightening or an earthquake. If Islam is the truth, then if ANY part is shown to be wanting the whole thing is undermined and may fall.

          The level of offence caused therefore reflects the degree to which ones identity and being and is bound up in the belief . Clearly believers must have at some level an unconscious fear that the whole shebang might not be true – so believers therefore must employ massive psychological defences against loss of identity and sense of being – it is this which is feared if criticism is accepted . The defence is so strong that it can justify killing or attacking you physically especially where the psyche is very reliant on the belief to sustains it as an entity or a whole..

          Such extreme reactions are really an example of the paranoid schizoid defence often seen in toddlers [ and adults too] when having tantrum when not getting their needs met. Such an extreme reaction results in hateful screaming and envious attacks against their mothers or the state or whoever is the cause of the frustration . Very often the attack is against a person or group who they proclaim to love or a person or body which may even sustains them financially or otherwise.

          It has to be remembered that believing on God or the Prophet or whatever is a Belief and as as such isn’t easily supported by facts or by scientific endeavour. It is therefore a somewhat precarious construct. Holding such beliefs provides many adherents with a sense security, identity and belonging and an easy way of not having to think to much about decisions on moral or other issues. Destroying such a belief is in effect threatening to the very core for many beleivers. Homophobia , the irrational fear of women, the dislike of psychology [or in the case of Nazis ] hate for jews are other examples where the same reaction can be seen resulting form unconscious fears about ourselves and others.. The cure ? Developing self esteem, self awareness and the ability to accept ourselves including our shadow side. For some a cure is impossible. Islam may be in the latter camp.

    • LittleRedRidingHood

      You should have responded with. ‘no you won’t. You’ll be too busy at home shaggin your first cousin’
      Another wonderous gift mo brought to islam

  • Sarka

    IS isn’t composed entirely of foreign fighters, you know. Most of its fighters, and its leadership, are from the area. So while this post makes a half-plausible argument about the Western Jihadi tourists and their desire for excitement, it’s only a limited argument.
    It’s difficult to expect some notional thingee called “European Islam” to magic away away all the illiberal interpretations that are at this time one of the factors causing huge upheaval in the much of the Muslim-majority world….

  • hdb

    Attacks like this one and the one in Greenwich last year are the actions of lone nutters and as such are extremely difficult for anyone to stop. Events like these need to be viewed more as random acts of madness, such as those committed by Peter Sutcliffe or Denis Nilsen, than as political or religiously motivated.

    • Ahobz

      Nonsense. None of the criminal you mention were mad within the McNaughten rules. It is perfectly clear that the Paris and Greenwich attacks were motivated by a particular radical and politicised version of islam. The Greenwich killers appealed their convictions on the basis they were soldier of Allah and basically “only obeying orders”. How their counsel managed to put the argument with a straight face I cannot imagine.

      Pretending that this is nothing to do with islam is not going to help in finding a solution or an amaelioration of the problem. It is, rather, running away from the obvious.

      • John Croston

        They produced 22 verses from the Koran that justified what they’d done. And let’s not forget that Islam’s role model was (from what is written in their own holy books) himself a mass murderer.

    • MrJones

      Alternatively the likelihood of an attack being either successful or foiled is related to the number of moving parts necessary for success.

  • “There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them.” – George Orwell

  • Suzy61

    There is a lot I agree with in this piece but I do not accept there is any such thing as ‘modern Islam’ and we cannot disarm terrorists by re-naming them ‘conflict tourist’. Only Muslims can neutralise this threat to us all but, sadly, they are too busy taking offence to take anything else on.

    • John Croston

      “Only Muslims can neutralise this threat to us all…”
      Wrong. We can come to our senses and deport them.

  • Ahobz

    This article completely ignores the fact that there is a cadre of islamic preachers such as Hamza active in Europe (and beyond, preaching to Europeans via the internet) peddling their filthy brand of islam. They in turn exist because the Saudis fund wahabist/salafist madrassas around the world, using money we give them for their oil. The Saudis are now trying to run with both fox and hounds when dealing with the mess that they have created, by the idiot fringe taking their extremist ideology to its ultimate conclusion, which seems to threaten even them.

    The article also ignores the fact that in Europe many (by no means all) of the perps (as opposed to ring leaders) are petty crims radicalised by a jihadi islamic culture that seems to be prevalent in prisons; such were the Paris killers. That needs to be dealt with by prison authorities.

    • somewhereinthesouth

      Yes the Saudis do indeed financially support the spread of this pernicious doctrine here [via school funding] and elsewhere . Whats more they are so threatened by the Arab spring etc they are now giving sentences of 1000 lashes to innocent bloggers in their own country. Apparently such a punishment is unislamic but so great is their fear of revolution from extremists [who they have fostered and indeed exported] they have to be SEEN be be more Islamic than thou. Free speech is a joke for these people.They need to reform but it may be too late. Oil of course complicates matters further.

  • mandelson

    In other words “nothing to do with Islam, move along please”. Must try harder.

  • MrJones

    “In all societies, a significant minority of young men are hormonally predisposed to violence.”

    So an immigration policy which allows in millions of young men in a few short years would be bad then?

    • victor67

      It was very similar in Ireland where poor ,alienated young catholics were drawn to the IRA.
      There is always a narrative of grievance some of which is legitimite.

      • JohnCrichton89

        The difference being there were actual grievances, there was room for compromise. After equal voting rights were brought into Ireland the IRA lost most, nearly all, support……….. it was political.

        This is completely different, this is religious in motivation. What possible midway point could you open up diplomacy with this ‘grievance’……. give up free speech ? Prosecute those that draw Mohammed ? perhaps lower the age of consent or legalise polygamy ?

        None of that will be enough, there is no compromise, no concession you could make that would appease these people other than complete capitulation.

        • victor67

          So young Middle Eastern men have no legitimite gripe against the west?

          Yes US/UK/French foreign policy in the ME has always been totally altruistic and only ever had the citizens of these states as their concern.
          Off course there is a legitimate grievance narrative among Islamic Jihad. It might not be the source but our actions certainly fuels the fires.

          Since 9/11 our response has been catastrophic. By engaging in the war on terror rather than treating these people as the criminals they are.

          • JohnCrichton89

            You are talking about UK born Muslims………. not ‘middle eastern men’. There sense of grievance is religious, they are doing out of a sense of humanism or a demand for equality. They aren’t planting bombs on buses or blowing themselves up out of some nationalistic born political agenda

            They wont protest and commit Jihad for Iraqi Christians or Palestinian Jews or anyone who isn’t a Muslim. There is no middle ground, the idea that we could have done better is stupid.

            If they were ever willing to compromise and respect others peoples right to live free from their religious laws and persecution we would have grounds for diplomacy………… they wont and we don’t.

          • victor67

            Its both, even the indigenous Jihadi invariably quote Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine in their ” martyrdom” videos. There cause is not that far removed from an anti- colonial or Arab nationalist agenda.Obviously their solution is absolutist Islamism and the fantasy of Islamic caliphate.

            The narrative falls on fertile ground in states that are corrupt, poverty ridden,sectarian and failing states. While certainly the west is not responsible for all these ills.We have our hands dirty in our involvement in some of these places
            .
            The home grown Jihadi lives in the global world, watches what’s going on but also has in own sense of alienation about the utopia of modern Neo-liberal Britain, its a toxic combination

          • JohnCrichton89

            No they quote the Quran. As I said, they aren’t doing it because Iraqis are suffering, they are doing it because Muslims are ‘suffering’……….. that’s not nationalistic.
            The religious motivation is no trivial thing to be conflated with political agendas.There is NO compromise with this, either they change Islam or we capitulate. It’s just that simple.
            And as you can see our politicians are happy to surrender in all our names.

          • Patrick Roy

            Victor they live in an incomparable world of post-rationalisation. They’re lives are pretty grim due to a number of factors, not just a wars in a faraway land. When one is raised separately, thinks separately, one becomes forever separate. Then it’s pretty easy to slide into crime, degeneracy, or be lured into the death cult.

            Don’t be a self-loather, that will not help with this situation as the radical Islamists prey on the self-loathing left mentality and use non-violent culture-jihad to get their way and subjugate our culture. This is a sick ideology that preys at all levels.

          • ItwasBlairwotdunnit

            Wonder how many are going abroad to fight against Boko Haram, just saying.

          • redsquirrel

            Can you think of anybody else in Britain who has a “legitimate grievance narrative”?

          • Mark

            How about grievances about the break up of the Ottoman Empire, or the Crusades or the creation of Irsrael? Dig deep enough and the “grievances” have been embedded by radical preachers for historical colonialism, which there’s not much we can do about now. It’s not just current “foreign policy” because that can, and has changed. They need another excuse.

        • Matteo O

          You’re right. What’s more, a lot of well-meaning Europeans seem to have forgotten that political and ideological lines have to be drawn and that we are not all deep down the same: we are culturally created creatures, embedded in ideologies and individuality and individual rights are a predominantly western concept. Westerners used to growing up in countries where choice of religion, beliefs and allegiances is possible forget that it has only been this way for a relatively short time here. They forget that the European Enlightenment was European and that the average Joe born into middle-eastern countries and a good number of eastern countries have almost no concept of free-thought, choice, pluralism or free expression. They are not underneath the beards secretly liberal, open-minded rational men just waiting to be understood and rationally realise how their religious texts and leaders were wrong all along. Their whole identities are embedded in a violent medieval ideology which assumes its superiority above all over systems of thought married to a range of frustration and political grievances.

      • Arthur Ascii

        Are you suggesting that young men and women, born and raised in Britain, become jihadis because they are ‘poor and alienated’? You might want to check the backgrounds of those identified so far and think again. There is no shortage of university educated and those in full time employment among their ranks.

    • Richard

      Be careful with drawing conclusions in modern Britain. It isn’t allowed.

      • AJ

        Modern Britain will be a war torn police state within a short while, we are all born equally ignorant, however you have to work at it to remain stupid, unfortunately, most Muslooms are pretty stupid, it must come from reading the KU-ruan on a daily basis. War is coming boys and girls, best buy some body armour whilst stocks last.

    • Norman W Noy

      No chance it will be happening here in 20 years time topside

  • WarzoneUK

    I don’t call a country where I am expected to take a long list of “precautions” covering limitations on my right to free movement, free association, dress, a sexuality, free speech in order to survive in one piece each day, where 88,000 women are raped each and every year and 104 murdered to be a peaceful or free one.

  • WarzoneUK

    Men get targeted and their freedom of speech curtailed by a handful of Muslims and out come the anti-incitement censors and security squads and promises not to give into terror.

    Women have been putting up with this bullshit from men for centuries. No anti-incitement protections for them, no security squads. And no noble calls for women not to give in to the terrorists, no it’s “orecautions” all the way for them or they brought it on themselves. While their terrorisers get feted by football clubs and the Spectator dismisses their concerns as trivial.

    I suppose that’s the difference between running the government and legislature and just being at the mercy of it.

  • AverageGuyInTheStreet

    It is the nonsensical cult of Islam that inspires the killers. The problem is Islam. Some Muslims are perhaps victims of Islam in the same way German citizens were victims of Nazism, although Its hard to understand how people living on the same planet as us at the same time can maintain a completely medieval mindset, but there it is. It is crystal clear that Islam will continue to be an evil influence for at the very least hundreds of years. It is also crystal clear that if we want an end to it, we will need a global military conflagration along the lines of WW2.

    • somewhereinthesouth

      You don’t have to be a muslim or a victim if you don’t want to. it is a choice and muslims could change or leave their religion [ although admittedly they may be ostracised, or worse ,by their “communities” of they do.]

      Why do people chose to be Muslims in the 21st century.? i don’t know but many do but its effect, in the west at least, is to make some kind of visible statement of being different from the rest of us or maybe even an active rejection of the society in which they live. Until now we have been told by our politicians that we must accept [ even celebrate] such behaviour. Given the aggressive and intolerant nature of Islam the results are now only clear to see.

  • Popular Front

    ‘How to stop them’ you ask? A 7.62mm through the forehead has demonstrably shown to be rather an effective method. If they want to play those games they have to know the rules, that is the targeted victims can and should shoot back in the same indiscriminate manner.

  • FedUpIndian

    I wonder if in 1939, there were pussified professors like Collier writing that we need to put our lives in the hands of nice Germans because only they can save us from the tiny minority of extremist Germans bent on war, genocide and conquest.

    When I read this pathetic drivel, it is difficult for me to remember that just two generations ago, the Brits and the French ruled the world and had empires on which the sun never set. It was the British who put an end to the slavery of blacks, Hindus and others by Muslim thugs in Africa and India following the example of their “prophet.”

    Your ancestors must be weeping at what you have done to yourselves.

  • Sam

    I understand and agree with some of the sentiments written here. But this is a logical fallacy that is apparent in one of the first sentences;

    “Being gratuitously cruel in casually murdering an already wounded policeman”

    The thing is, that policeman that was cruelly murdered was a Muslim, who looked like he was pleading for his life while laying on the ground. And the fact is that, like that policeman, 99% of Muslims aren’t going to be able to do a damn thing to stop terrorism.

    Blanket condemnation of all Muslims is unhelpful and will just give the terrorists among them more ideological ammunition/propaganda to be used directly against the West.

    I don’t profess to know what the solution here is. I don’t think there really is one at the moment, beyond military measures to stop them where possible and intelligence gathering to try to weed out the extremists in Western society, I don’t think there’s anything any Muslim or Western politician/general can do to stop it in our lifetimes. Vigiliance is the price we are going to have to continually pay to protect our liberty and ideals. I think eventually common sense and Darwinism will win in the Middle East over these people. It’s not the quick fix we’d like and there isn’t a way that our governments/militaries can plan this out, let alone Muslims.

    • RobertC

      The wounded policeman was an apostate, so was kufr:

      koran 5: 51 “O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them.”

      koran 2:65-66 Christians and Jews must believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad or Allah will disfigure their faces or turn them into apes, as he did the Sabbath-breakers.

      koran 2:191 Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.

      They are a happy lot, when they are killing infidels!

    • Cyril Sneer

      Plenty they can do. Chuck a load out. Control immigration. Make deportation a quicker easier process.

      Norway deported thousands of unwelcomes last year, more to go this year.

      Liberal pussies will never provide the answer, we need people who truly do put this nation and its people first and enact the policies that are needed to have a clear out.

    • somewhereinthesouth

      Muslims in the west need to do many things. They need to make clear that freedom of speech is acceptable and that disagreeing with their religion is acceptable. They need to integrate more and stop trying be separate from the mainstream and to look different from the rest of society by veiling themselves or demanding Sharia law be applied. in short they have to accept they aren’t living in Saudi Arabia or the 7th century but in the west in the 21st. They seem happy to accept the benefits of our society but to my mind this suggests they also have a duty to support it and oppose those who would seek to destroy it. If they want to practise their religion at home ok and If they can integrate with their neighbours , challenge Islamic extremism [for example excluding them from their mosques and treating women as equals] , instigate reform and accept democracy [ and the right of others to express criticism of their religion ] then i have no problem. if they can’t they need to p*** off.

  • Apaliteno

    What is this “modern Islam” to which the writer refers? There is only one form of Islam which I am aware of (in a country that’s 65% Muslim) and it definitely resides in the 7th Century.

  • Behaviour of any group is described by a frequency distribution. The Elderly Rapist community must take responsibility not just for behaviour in the middle of the distribution, where Elderly Rapists are as peaceable as anyone else, but for behaviour at its tail. Next time a freakishly strong elderly Rapist hits you over the head with her zimmer frame and has her wicked way with you, don’t call the Police or complain to the Management of the Rest Home. Instead you need to identify the ‘middle’ of the frequency distribution and get them to take responsibility for the actions of the freakishly strong tail.

  • G B

    How can ridicule work when anything that is said will be interpreted as potentially offensive. This is the new ploy by moderate Muslims who stifle debate, even the enlightened. How can the tenants of the faith be challenged when to disagree will, by definition, insult Islam. Simple this is not and will take more than posturing by our political elite or appealing to moderate, friendly Muslims, to make this problem go away.

  • Bonkim

    Good analysis – yes the Muslims in Europe need to wake up and remove the cancer in their midst – or else will be tarred by the terrorist-brush.

  • jack

    In the meantime, and while we wait for enlightenment within Islam , the very least the MSM could do to help degrade its influence to cause violent behaviour, is to mock and ridicule its main stream ‘ moderate’ mouthpieces such as the vile racist Mehdi Hassan, who can refer to me as lower than cattle according to the protected sacred texts of his religious book, but the same MSM cannot say the same in return due to hate speech laws.

    Yet again the BBC wheeled out this smirking over lauded man, who believes in ‘winged horses’ and fairy stories to carry weight on what should be a serious programme called QT.

    • q-pantagruel

      ”‘mainstream ‘ moderate’ mouthpieces such as the vile racist Mehdi Hassan…this smirking over lauded buffoon”.

      Indeed. Well put – and thank you. During that QT performance Mr. Hassan again wheels out the Qur’anic quote “…if a man killed a man…it would be as if he had killed all mankind” as evidence of Islam’s peaceful nature. Will someone please challenge this steaming pile of taqiyya the next time they hear it? Look at the ellipsis. You can’t hear them when he speaks, but the omitted words they represent change the meaning of the sentence completely. The line is from Qur’an 5:32. Look it up and see what it really says. The pronouncement isn’t directed at Muslims, it’s an injunction against the Jews warning them to behave themselves and, in any case, the admonition is qualified in that killing is permitted for those who “do mischief in the land” – which is anything Muslims don’t approve of. That’s what’s hidden in the ellipsis.

      And, more importantly, verse 5:32 is immediately followed by verse 5:33 which is directed at Muslims and declares “The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on the opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world, and a great torment is theirs in the Hereafter.” . Funny how moderate Muslim spokesmen like Hassan always manage to leave that bit out.

      Sadly I must disagree with you on one thing. Question Time hasn’t been a serious programme for a long time. Russell Brand comes to mind.

  • wudyermucuss

    Only Muslims can stop more terror attacks –

    No.
    Our security services will stop the attacks.
    It will be Muslims perpetuating them.

    Neither they, nor their religion, stand accused. –

    The ideology should very much stand accused,and so should those who so very much lend tacit support by their contextualization,defence of,and false explanation.
    This doesn’t just include Muslims of course,but whole sectors of western society.

    • John Croston

      Why does nobody ever ask what the jihadis see in Islam that makes them carry out attacks? For instance – the Lee Rigby killers provided 22 verses of the Koran that they claim not only justified the murder but “forced” them to kill, yet nobody ever discusses what these actually verses say. All we hear is “this has nothing to do with Islam,” nothing in Islam justifies this” and “Islam is a religion of peace.”

      I watched Portillo on Newsnight trying to get a Muslim to say whether or not the “prophet” would have condemned the Charlie Hebdo attack. She would not give a straight answer – and she can’t. The truth is that the “prophet” was a terrorist himself and she knew that to be the case. Of course, Portillo didn’t dare to say so.

      Next time someone appears on our screens skating round the violence and intolerance that is ingrained in Islam, how about they receive the following question “So, about these 22 verses…”

  • Cyril Sneer

    Let’s just be honest about this – Islam in its unmoderated form is incompatible with the West.

  • edlancey

    Well that’s a relief, I thought it was a global jihad by a backwards death cult. Thankfully it just turns out to be hormonal “Mohammad the teenager” in Europe.

  • lucillalin

    Majority of Muslims (or people of any religion) are of course not literal fundamentalists nor liberal modernizers. Majority of people have no interest in theology, religion is mostly about community, traditions, taboos and identity. Therefore how violent or peace-loving the theology happens to be has little meaning for majority of its adherents. Us Westerners see trough our media the jihadis and the lukewarm “Religion of peace” talk. But mainstream Islam is more about community and even local superstition. What not to eat, when to celebrate and what to do to avoid evil spirits.

    Of course theologically there are big differences between religions. Islam is indeed originally more violent than Christianity who (like Buddhism) was originally pacifist but had to jump some theological hoops to justify war and violence.

    The writer is correct saying that only Muslim communities in Europe can stop their offspring from becoming terrorists. Usually communities do this, as majority of the world has a collective culture which results collective punishments. If this was Christian European young men terrorizing their host culture in any Asian country, there would have been already a massive backlash against the whole community, regardless who is innocent and who is not. After Paris attacks the whole maghrebi area in the outskirts of the city would have burned, if Europeans would have answered as collectively as others.

    To avoid collective punishments minorities have traditionally been careful not to cause harm to the mainstream culture. But Europe is individualist and outside of some internet chatter there really is no “Islamophobia” or collective backlash. At the same time Islamic culture is collective and sees us all as representatives of Evil Western Invaders and all Jews as Israeli Oppressors. Culture of treating people as individuals, not part of any tribe has made the West more open, free and peaceful, but also extremely vulnerable to attack.

  • Gareth Mailer

    All were perpetrated by young Muslim men. But what we are experiencing is not the product of a religion: it does not deserve to be so dignified.

    35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified.

    42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified.

    22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.

    29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.

    http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60

    Why are these legitimate statistics never mentioned in the MSM? You can view a lot more here: http://thecitizenact.tumblr.com/post/107784084737/too-controversial-for-the-telegraph-the-msm-is Of course this doesn’t suggest that the majority of Muslims aren’t peaceful, however it does point to a wider problem within Islam.

    What’s more, we’re seeing, again from legitimate research, that 2nd and 3rd generations are turning out more radicalised than the 1st generation. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1540895/Young-British-Muslims-getting-more-radical.html

    ‘Only Muslims can stop terrorist attacks.’

    Let’s stop this, OK?

    It’s a bit like saying ‘only women can talk about abortion.’ At least, that was the prevailing logic when a Telegraph journalist was blocked by a group of radical feminists from contributing to a debate on the topic at one of our most prestigious Universities.

    Shall we extend this to ‘only men can research or discuss testicular cancer’?

  • Eudaemonia71

    Ah, I see now. Dresden, Hamburg, Hiroshima and Nagasaki could all have been avoided if we’d just rolled up and mocked the Germans and Japanese senseless?

    Evading reality will be our undoing. Thankfully, many people are now tumbling to the depth and seriousness of the situation we’re in.

    Moot point anyway, as all of this has Nothing To Do With Islam.

  • somewhereinthesouth

    We must never forget that most scientific advances, as well as other social change such as the liberation of women, gays and slavery only happened because of free speech.Without this right no progress would have been possible. Freedom of speech is one of the key pillars of western civilisation and its success ; it is the foundation of most of our economic social and political progress. Islam if it is appeased , or worse it get established in the west , will abolish progress. It is Muslims who must change and reform [ or get out] . They wont change if they can kill our freedom to speak out and explore new ideas . We must wake up to the threat and stop pussyfooting about.

    • Augustus

      Exactly right. The medieval mind-set of the political Arab-Muslim world is so easily reduced to the pathology of the mob. And any sign of weakness in terms of appeasing mobs by acknowledging or giving in to their demands amounts to stoking their wild frenzy even further. The religious and political leaders of this totalitarian ideology now sense that they are pretty close to intimidating the West into surrendering on the subject of free speech, and accepting that mocking what is deemed sacred to Muslims – their religion, their prophet and their sacred book – must be deemed offensive and therefore banned. But the fact is that the freedoms which are fundamental to our values, such as free speech, distinguishes the West from all those countries in the unfree world, in particular the Arab-Muslim world. What needs to be said to the Arab-Muslim world, irrespective of how mobs there engage in rampaging their own societies, is that the West, as a civilization, is also defined by something sacred. That something, and universal in its appeal, is individual freedom, manifest in the principle of free speech in whose defence people have made the ultimate sacrifice, and therefore that sacred principle can never be negotiable.

  • cartimandua

    Muslims are MORE predisposed to violence because of their treatment of women.
    Women are obliged to cover denying the foetal brain vitamin D. They are obliged to fast and if they do not fast/feast during pregnancy they have to do it during breastfeeding. Malnutrition during pregnancy ups the % of psychopathy in the young.
    And then there is the current or historic trauma from women being treated with contempt if not outright violence.
    That harms attachment and again IQ and emotional stability.

    • Rhys

      Do away with the burqa and all will be well?

      • Arthur Ascii

        It would be a start. At least then you could tell who was talking.

    • somewhereinthesouth

      Women have a very low status in Islam and boys are treated far better than girls by their mothers who basically pander to them. They are also valued only for their sexual and reproductive use and thus are something to be traded , and hidden from view and kept indoors so that other men wont be tempted . [The Prophet surprise surprise, WAS tempted you see and the object of his desires was young too .] This leads some young muslim boys to grow up as men who are unable to control their desires and emotions [ their infantile desires not having been thwarted by their mothers ] and thus with a sense of entitlement and superiority which isn’t always warranted. Add to that the Islamic hatred of western ideas about freedom of expression , equality , the sexual revolution and you end up with muslim men buying vulnerable young girls [ “slags” in their terms] for sex. Since no good muslim is available for sex that leaves the infidel – young white girls as prey. Its much the same with Jihadists who place a price on and bid for Yazidis and of course kidnap christian schoolgirls in Nigeria.

      Is it also not a coincidence that this sort of behaviour seems prevalent amongst the muslim community? I ask the question why is this so ? The answer is obvious although most of our politicians are too supine to see it or do or say anything about it .Of course its to do with Islam and its pernicious culture . We need to get real .

    • LittleRedRidingHood

      Throw a little first cousin marriage into the mix and you have a perfect storm after 1400 years of inbreeding.

  • cartimandua

    They need to dump the customs which produce the vulnerability as well as the narrative which excuses violence.

  • cromwell

    This God fellow sounds a decent sort the trouble is many of his followers are absolute shits he really needs to sort them out.

  • Richard Baranov

    While we are all being really, really useful here with our comments….

    This is the email of the Saudi Embassy in London: ukemb@mofa.gov.sa

    Would you all write an email protesting the flogging of Raif Badawi by these barbarian Wahabi’s . Raif, for advocating freedom of Speech, has been sentenced to 1000 lashes.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-30847692

    And please uptick this message so it doesn’t get lost.

    I would also request that you forward this message to anyone you think will take action.
    Thank you all
    Richard

  • Arthur Ascii

    It’s the puritanical/conservative/non-violent extremists that give us all the trouble. It is they who interfere with the ambitions of progressive Muslims in Euirope and it is they who will not adapt but expect our societies to change to suit them.

    I recommend you watch the Panorama program that was broadcast on the earlier this week. You can still watch it on iPlayer.

  • colchar

    When there are this many bad apples maybe there is something wrong with the orchard – Bill Maher.

  • Robert Heenan

    The Charlie Hebdo affair has many of the characteristics of a false flag operation. The attack on the cartoonists’ office was a disciplined professional attack of the kind associated with highly trained special forces; yet the suspects who were later corralled and killed seemed bumbling and unprofessional. It is like two different sets of people.

    UsuallyMuslim terrorists are prepared to die in the attack; yet the two professionals who hit Charlie Hebdo were determined to escape and succeeded, an amazing feat. Their identity was allegedly established by the claim that they conveniently left for the authorities their ID in the getaway car. Such a mistake is inconsistent with the professionalismof the attack and reminds me of the undamaged passport found
    miraculously among the ruins of the two WTC towers that served to establish the identity of the alleged 9/11 hijackers.

    Itis a plausible inference that the ID left behind in the getaway car wasthe ID of the two Kouachi brothers, convenient patsies, later killed bypolice, and from whom we will never hear anything, and not the ID of the professionals who attacked Charlie Hebdo. An important fact that supports this inference is the report that the third suspect in the
    attack, Hamyd Mourad, the alleged driver of the getaway car, when seeing his name
    circulating on social media as a suspect realized the danger he was in and quickly turned himself into the police for protection against being murdered by security forces as a terrorist.

    Hamyd Mourad says he has an iron-clad alibi.If so, this makes him the despoiler of a false flag attack. Authorities will have to say that despite being wrong about
    Mourad, they were right about the Kouachi brothers. Alternatively, Mourad could be coerced or tortured into some sort of confession that supports the official story.

    The American and European media have ignored the fact that Mourad turned
    himself in for protection from being killed as a terrorist as he has an alibi. I googled Hamid Mourad and all I found (January 12) was the main US and European media reporting that the third suspect had turned himself in. The reason for his surrender was left out of the reports. The news was reported in a way that gave credence to the accusation that the suspect who turned himself in was part of the attack on Charlie
    Hebdo. Not a single US mainstream media source reported that the alleged
    suspect turned himself in because he has an ironclad alibi.

    Some media merely reported Mourad’s surrender in a headline with no coverage in the report. The list that I googled includes the Washington Post (January 7 by Griff Witte and Anthony Faiola); Die Welt (Germany) “One suspect has turned himself in to police in connection with Wednesday’s massacre at the offices of Parisian satirical magazine, Charlie Hebdo;” ABC News (January 7) “Youngest suspect in Charlie Hebdo Attack turns himself in;” CNN (January 8) “Citing sources, the Agence France Presse
    news agency reported that an 18-year-old suspect in the attack had surrendered to police.”

    Another puzzle in the official story that remains unreported by the presstitute media is the alleged suicide of a high ranking member of the French Judicial Police who had an important role in the Charlie Hebdo investigation. For unknown reasons, Helric
    Fredou,a police official involved in the most important investigation of a lifetime, decided to kill himself in his police office on January 7 or January 8 (both dates are reported in the foreign media) in the middle of the night while writing his report on his investigation. A google search as of 6pm EST January 13 turns up no mainstream US media report of this event. The alternative media reports it, as do some UK newspapers, but without suspicion or mention whether his report has disappeared. The official story is that Fredou was suffering from“depression” and “burnout,” but no evidence is provided. Depression andburnout are the standard explanations of mysterious deaths that have unsettling implications.

    Once again we see the US print and TV media serving as a ministry of propaganda for Washington. In place of investigation, the media repeats the government’s implausible story.It behoves us all to think. Why would Muslims be more outraged by cartoons
    in a Paris magazine than by hundreds of thousands of Muslims killed by Washington and its French and NATO vassals in seven countries during the past 14 years?

    If Muslims wanted to make a point of the cartoons,why not bring a hate crime charge or lawsuit? Imagine what would happento a European magazine that dared to satirize Jews in the way Charlie Hebdo satirized Muslims. Indeed, in Europe people are
    imprisoned for investigating the holocaust without entirely confirmingn every aspect of it.

    If a Muslim lawsuit was deep-sixed by French authorities, the Muslims would have made their point. Killing people merely contributes to the demonization of Muslims, a result that only serves Washington’s wars against Muslim countries.

    If Muslims areresponsible for the attack on Charlie Hebdo, what Muslim goal did they
    achieve? None whatsoever. Indeed, the attack attributed to Muslims has ended French and European sympathy and support for Palestine and European opposition to more US wars against Muslims. Just recently France had voted in the UN with Palestine against the US-Israeli position. This assertion of an independent French foreign policy was reinforced by the recent statement by the President of France that the economic sanctions against Russia should be terminated.

    Clearly, France was showing too much foreign policy independence. The attack on
    Charlie Hebdo serves to cow France and place France back under Washington’s thumb.

    Some will contend that Muslims are sufficiently stupid to shoot themselves in the head in this way. But how do we reconcile such alleged stupidity with the alleged Muslim 9/11 and Charlie Hebdo professional attacks?

    Ifwe believe the official story, the 9/11 attack on the US shows that 19 Muslims, largely Saudis, without any government or intelligence service support, outwitted not only all 16 US intelligence agencies, the National Security Council, Dick Cheney and all the neoconservatives in high positions throughout the US government, and airport security, but also the intelligence services of NATO and Israel’s Mossad. How can such intelligent and capable people, who delivered the most humiliating blowin world history to an alleged Superpower with no difficulty whatsoever despite giving every indication of their intentions, possibly be so stupid as to shoot themselves in the head when they could have thrownFrance into turmoil with a mere lawsuit?

    The Charlie Hebdo story simply doesn’t wash. If you believe it, you are no match for a Muslim.

    Some who think that they are experts will say that a false flag attack in France would be impossible without the cooperation of French intelligence. To this I say that it is practically a certainty that the CIA has more control over French intelligence than does the President of France. Operation Gladio proves this. The largest part of the
    government of Italy was ignorant of the bombings conducted by the CIA and Italian
    Intelligence against European women and children and blamed on communists in order to diminish the communist vote in elections.

    • somewhereinthesouth

      Oh Please ….what a load of conspiracy claptrap…. and the kidnapping of the school girls in Nigeria was done by the CIA and the beheading of US and British citizens in Syria was dome by French and British intelligence? – yeah right – they aren’t that competent anyhow

      • Robert Heenan

        ISIS is a zionist mercenary group just like Al Qaeda are. Im sorry but more and more people simply dont buy the establishment propaganda

        • Richard

          I am interested: what is NOT a Zionist mercenary group? In other words, how do you know what is a genuine Islamist attack, and what is Zionist?

          • sullen idealist

            I really wonder what motivates Mr Heenan . His remarks never get upvotes. He never actually says anything other than basically telling other people they can’t say “that” and then produces endless links . How much time does he actually have on his hands ? But he is an intellectual nihilist. And definitely, definitely anti-semitic

        • cartimandua

          Pictures, films, eyewitness accounts by the 10s of thousands don’t persuade you.
          They are really alien lizards aren’t they David.

    • cartimandua

      Muslim terrorism is the result of overpopulation arising from gender apartheid and tribal high birth rates.
      There are no jobs because Muslim countries are too ignorant and corrupt to produce enterprise cultures.

  • JEK68

    ‘Neither they nor their religion stand accused. But nor can they stand aside.’

    I’m sorry, then they can just say ‘nothing to do with Islam, no problem with Islam, so don’t you dare criticise it’, and then we are back where we started.

  • English_Independence_Movement

    All Religion is make believe. Religionists are delusional. Bunch of fools the lot of them.

  • Tox66

    Wrong, non-Muslims can stop it and a simple understanding of Islam will show you how. Muslims are taught to be quiet and pretend to be friendly until such time as their population reaches sufficient density to secure change through violence. Keep the Muslim population well below that level.

  • DaHitman

    If you think Muslims are going to to anything you are an idiot, the only time you see them protest is when non-Muslims are protesting against extremism or someone draws a cartoon

  • Fred Yang

    I have to say, if I were faced with the prospect of working in a corner shop or a taxi for the rest of my life, the idea of dropping everytihng to fight for a cause I strongly believed in, would appeal.

    Until religious schooling is ended this phenomenon will continue

    • cartimandua

      Well we could also encourage people to have a family size normal for this country.
      The Rowntree Trust looked at it all and found no amount of benefits compensates for large family size.
      It leads to poverty and lack of time for children.
      We also need to do better for those who are not high flyers academically.

  • cartimandua

    Terrorism is the result of overpopulation and the abuse of women (because that harms the foetus) transmitted by modern technologies.

  • polistra24

    Absolutely false. Dangerously intentionally murderously false.

    Al-Qaeda is a branch of CIA. That’s a fact. Only its boss can stop it. Clearly its boss wants to keep it running, because as long as al-Qaeda continues running the defense and intel industries can continue increasing their budgets and power. There is no stopping this monstrous cycle until either God or Putin has mercy on us and bombs DC down to bedrock.

  • Cincinnatus

    Over the centuries Europe’s communities have succeeded so well that our region has become by far the most peaceful society that has ever been known.

    And yet the Left believes Europe will be “enriched” by admitting millions of immigrants from the most violent societies on the planet.

  • Cincinnatus

    A timely story in today’s NY Times:

    LUNEL, France — When this picturesque southern French town of just 25,700 people first learned late last year that six local Muslims had been killed fighting for Islam in Syria, accounting for 10 percent of the total number of French killed there, the right-wing mayor quietly asked the head of the local mosque for help.

    “I need you, and you need me to stop this,” the mayor, Claude Arnaud, recalled telling Lahoucine Goumri, who was president of Al Baraka mosquein Lunel at the time. “We agreed he would make a statement.”

    He did. But instead of condemning the surge of young recruits, Mr. Goumri told local news media that the policies of President François Hollande were the main culprit and complained that it was not his job to denouncethe jihadists when nobody protested French citizens who traveled to Israel to help the army “kill Palestinian babies.”

    further comment would be superfluous.

  • Matteo O

    Seems to few of them are interested in stopping terror and certainly the majority of Muslims outside of Europe are anti-free speech and pro-maiming or capital punishment for those who blaspheme. We need to be aware of the significance of allowing anybody into Europe who believes offending their medieval beliefs merits violence.

  • Patrick Roy

    I’m afraid this may be a runaway train that can’t be stopped…

    Wahabbism + Saudi Oil£+ Islam + Madrassas + Imams + Mass Unemployment + No Contact with Women + Fear of Speaking Out + Post-Rationalisation + Guns + Testosterone = The ongoing HELL that is (radical) Islam.

    Immigration Policies + Integration Policies + Banning Headscarves + Banning Sharia = West may stand a chance.

  • Kasperlos

    Paul Collier, as a supposed professor over at Oxfund (sic intended) says that we need to ‘understand’ the problem of European Muslims going off the deep end. Collier might be interested to understand that Islam as a severe, authoritarian and quite merciless religious and state (read political) doctrine in a great part of the world is wholly incompatible and irreconcilable with the Western Tradition, the Ages of Reason and Enlightenment and all that. Western Civ. 101 and The Satanic Verses, eh, Dr. Collier? We indeed need to stop having the West sort out a 7th century death cult and look to the resilience of our own Western civilisation, to embrace it, protect it and advance it. The time for cheap and supine words over this issue was long over, but the same merely continues to drag this menace upon our shores.

  • greggf

    “Only Muslims can stop more terror attacks”

    Were we still in the 1930s would saying ‘only the Germans can stop the Nazis’ be credible…..?

  • terence patrick hewett

    Terrorism is funded by oil money. When oil is replaced by alternative technology in the not too distant future; oil states will be obliged to engage with the markets and earn their living like everyone else. The solution is at the moment simply one of containment until that happy day arrives. I rather suspect that the drop in the oil price is a reflection of this and the oil producers are banking as much as they can before the crash.

    • Coleridge1

      The best news in decades is that the discovery of shale in the US and among other places Israel is destroying radical fascist Islam. The economies of iran and Saudi Arabia are beginning to disintegrate.

  • mrmark1977

    This discussion is going nowhere, because clearly, some Muslims interpret the Koran as peaceful, meaning they ignore the more violent parts, or they subjectively think the more violent parts are ‘allegorical’ or don’t apply to them), and some Muslims interpret the Koran as telling them to commit this violence in the name of their God, because they believe certain words in the Koran are telling them they are able to, and should, do these acts in the name of their god. And in these violent passages, either the Koran really is too violent, or at best, it’s too vague.

    Saying, ‘Islam says you should not kill’ is a pointless argument that gets one nowhere. We all know there are lines in the Koran that say one shouldn’t kill, the problems are the bits that promote use of violence, whether actually, or seemingly.

    This is what has to be addressed, and on this, I can agree with the writer when it comes to ‘who’ should do it.

    Lets just say hypothetically, that every verse that permitted or requested violence, had been interpreted incorrectly by extremists. The average extremist Muslim is not going going to listen to a non-muslim like myself saying ‘oh you’ve interpreted that wrong’. They listen to their leaders, (religious leaders not political leaders), who arbitrarily decide whether something is ‘right’ or ‘wrong’. Many of these ‘clerics’ or ‘Innams’, are hopeless thinkers, making up their own rules and interpretations, but they are going to be the only people extremists (or potential extremists) look to.

    So the only way extremists, or at least future extremists, are going to be less violent, is if they’re convinced that these verses don’t apply to them or are allegorical, or whatever, in the same way that somehow the Christian leaders have managed to convince followers that it’s all about ‘my mate Jesus’, and less about the terrible stuff in the old testament.

    Having a book that says ‘be nice and don’t kill’, is no good if another part says ‘well you can kill under these circumstances’, and those ‘circumstances’ are dubious or vague, or just plain not good reasons. If the worst bits are allegorical, then Muslim leaders need to be trying harder to convey that, and logically explain why.

    If the bad verses are not allegorical, and the intentions and messages of those verses are bad, then sky daddy help us all…I don’t know what trick Christian leaders pulled to somehow make Christians gloss over bad bits in the bible, but the only hope then, would be that Muslim leaders can do the same thing. Lets not pretend that Christianity doesn’t have a dark side to it still, when it comes to it’s cancerous grip on politics and education in some countries, and even violence, but the problem is not so bad at the moment.

    The best way to educate extremists, and potential extremists are the Muslim leaders themselves, although many unfortunately have varying degrees of extremism themselves. The ones that don’t though, the ones that truly believe in peace and non-violent ways to solve problems, are the ones that get the message across. One would like to think with the arrival of the internet, and more education on the world for everyone, even those that didn’t receive a proper basic education, that there would be less people silly enough to believe in sky daddies, and anything that their sky daddy told them….but clearly the internet does not prevent that happening, in many cases it can contribute towards extremism.

    The writer says religion is not accused, I disagree. Religion is a cancer that has been eating away at humanity for hundreds and thousands of years (and not just causing death and destruction, but misery and oppression for people), but he’s right to say that the people who can make changes, are Muslim leaders themselves.

  • Perseus Slade

    Seems they get their inspiration straight out of their book.
    What`s there to misunderstand?

  • thomasaikenhead

    ” But what we are experiencing is not the product of a religion: it does not deserve to be so dignified. Rather, we are in the midst of a new culture of violence. ”

    Quite correct, when similar events occurred in the UK just over a century ago, namely recent immigrants to the country who came from a religious minority grouping using extreme violence to further their extreme views and criminality, it was also not the product of their religion either.

    Those familiar with the Tottenham Outrage in 1909 and the Sidney Street Siege of 1911 will be aware of how these people used guns to ruthlessly murder and wound policemen and civilians who got in their way.

    Similarly the violence of the IRA terror campaigns in the UK had no genuine basis in religion but was also an example of a culture of violence.

    The British people did not turn upon the Jews living in their midst in the first instances cited and did not turn on the Roman Catholics in the second so there is no reason to presume that they will turn upon the Muslims today.

  • Jean-Baptiste Poquelin

    But their religion DOES stand accused, and it should be.

    Is it a belief system? Yes. Can belief systems affect the behaviour of people who adhere to them? Yes. Can that behaviour be harmful to other human beings? Yes.

    It is obvious to most of the world that that is precisely the case with islam. Just because it’s a religion doesn’t give it a Get Out of Jail for Free card.

  • Augustus

    “Those young men predisposed to violence have found in Islam a convenient norm which enables them to reconcile their desires with their conscience: killing infidels for Allah is justified. Of course, this is a misinterpretation of modern Islam….”

    Islam is not inclined toward any form of modernity, just ask any of the countless Islamic leaders of the Muslim Council of Britain. They care not a jot that their ideas don’t fit in a free society, where men and women are equal and where freedom of speech is a legal right. The whole lot of them, whether predisposed to violence or not, would be far more comfortable living in an Islamic country, where they can impose the medieval practices and intolerant behaviour of their true faith as much as they want.

  • Tom M

    So you are suggesting that clerics should ridicule fatwas, jihad and apostatism. Are you serious? Do you really think that you are likely to create a schism in Islam ?

    The current schism between Sunni and Shia has been going on for the best part of a thousand years so far and we can all see how that is working out.
    What is needed is not a denial of their faith but for the apparent majority of peace loving Muslims in each country to come out against terrorism.

    They need to be much more visible and clear about who and what they claim to stand for. Public demonstrations, visits by imams to television studios explaining their peaceful objectives as opposed to lecturing us as to why it’s all everybody else’s fault or retreating into the Mosque and closing the door.
    I note with interest today that Eric Pickles has asked just these questions and received a very negative response from the clerics. They appear to consider they have no role in this beyond a limp-wristed press release saying they don’t like terrorism.

    If they chose not to publically and continually denounce the people who commit these atrocities then the public have no choice but to think the most Muslims agree with them.

  • ‘Only Marxists can stop more terror attacks’

    The “War on Terror” is an operation being carried out by the Marxist co-opted governments of the West in alliance with the USSR and other Communist nations, the purpose being to (1) destroy the prominence of the West in the eyes of the world, where the West is seen (i) invading nations without cause; (ii) causing chaos around the globe; and (iii) killing over one-million civilians and boasting of torture; (2) close off non-Russian supplies of oil for export, thereby increasing the price of oil, the higher price allowing oil exporting Russia to maintain economic stability while she modernizes and increases her military forces; (3) destroy the United States Armed Forces via the never-ending “War on Terror”; the ultimate purpose of the aforementioned to (4) bring about the demise of the United States in the world, opening up a political void to be filled by a new pan-national entity composed of Europe and Russia (replacing the European Union), a union “From the Atlantic to Vladivostok”; which will (5) see the end of NATO.

    In the case of the Charlie Hebdo offices, only two unarmed police (on bicycles no less) are sent to a massacre in progress. When the “terrorists” exit the office building ten minutes later, there’s still no armed police, just the unarmed police. Then after a one-sided shootout between the “terrorists” and the unarmed police, which leaves one police officer dead (though there’s no blood on the ground from the multiple AK-47 bullets that hit the police officer!), the terrorists leave the area in a car, zooming off at 5mph! Now, by this time it’s been nearly 15 minutes that’s elapsed, yet (1) still no armed police have shown up; and (2) the area hasn’t been cordoned off by the police.

    False flag operations need the absence of standard operating procedures if they are going to work, which explains the obvious anomalies above.

    Ladies & gentlemen, you really need to pay more attention to the news, so that you can know when you are being played.

    By the way, one of the “terrorists” slips up as he follows his comrade back to the car, instinctively cradling his weapon as he was instructed to in the French military…

    Fast forward to 0:17 seconds in first video provided…

    http://www.thedailysheeple.com/watch-no-recoil-no-blood-no-body-movement-slow-motion-footage-of-paris-officer-being-shotdisturbing-images_012015

    now compare to how a French soldier cradles his weapon…

    https://www.google.com/search?q=french+military+handling+weapons+pictures&es_sm=93&biw=1440&bih=809&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=BQK7VMK1G8yVNszbgugP&ved=0CB0QsAQ#imgdii=_&imgrc=1yDItkVPvNPnCM%253A%3BFweA9WALhBRy7M%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fabload.de%252Fimg%252Fcar1896dye2.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.militaryphotos.net%252Fforums%252Fshowthread.php%253F233143-Operation-Sangaris-French-intervention-in-Central-Africa%252Fpage10%3B1024%3B679

    In the video below, the two “terrorists” are in no rush to get away because they know their getaway has been arranged, including by the police car that does finally show up, but allows the “terrorists” to leave the scene, actually backing up to give the “terrorists” the right of way(!)…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iQNzJnvfKU

    …and add insult to injury by failing to pursue the “terrorists”! What moron wrote this script?

  • Coleridge1

    Islamism, terrorism, Christian-hatred, Jew-hatred, killing Gays and oppressing women.. I’m frankly sick and tired of hearing about this medieval, savage death-cult. If muslims reject western liberal democracy they should be booted out of Europe. If they embrace diversity, Christians, Gays, Jews, atheists, Hindus and Sikhs they are welcome to stay. If European leaders are unable to convey this simple message to European Islam – they badly need to be replaced by politicians who will.

  • Augustus

    “Only Muslims can stop more terror attacks”

    But they won’t, because Islamic fundamentalism now has such a dominant global dimension that any renewed vision of Islam will simply be perceived as a Western depoliticized perversion of the true faith. Their intolerant ideology doesn’t fit in with a free society, where men and women are equal, and where freedom of speech is a legal right. Islam is not inclined towards reform, and most certainly not towards any form of personal freedom. There’s no doubt that faith in Allah can produce a very radical and intolerant mind set. Just reading the intolerant verses in the Koran is enough to make a sane person shudder. It’s not surprising that Muslims feel spurred on to violence against dissenters after reading their scriptures. The intolerant aspects of Islam cannot be separated from the core faith, those who say otherwise are deluding themselves.

    • “But they won’t, because Islamic fundamentalism…”

      …is a concoction of Marxists.

      What do we see here…

      http://www.redstar.ru/

      “Krasnaya Zvezda” is Russian for “Red Star”, the official newspaper of Soviet and later Russian Ministry of Defense. The paper’s official designation is, “Central Organ of the Russian Ministry of Defense.” Note the four Soviet emblems next to the still existing Soviet era caption titled “Red Star”(!), one of the Soviet emblems including the image of Lenin!

      Now, recall Malala Yousafzai? The young Muslim girl shot in the head by dastardly Taliban fundamentalists? Well, here’s the identity of the real Malala Yousafzai…

      ‘First of all I’d like to thank The Struggle and the IMT for giving me a chance to speak last year at their Summer Marxist School in Swat and also for introducing me to Marxism and Socialism. I just want to say that in terms of education, as well as other problems in Pakistan, it is high time that we did something to tackle them ourselves. It’s important to take the initiative. We cannot wait around for any one else to come and do it. Why are we waiting for someone else to come and fix things? Why aren’t we doing it ourselves?

      “I would like to send my heartfelt greetings to the congress. I am convinced Socialism is the only answer and I urge all comrades to take this struggle to a victorious conclusion. Only this will free us from the chains of bigotry and exploitation.’

      http://www.marxist.com/historic-32nd-congress-of-pakistani-imt-1.htm

      Oops, Malala is a Marxist, as is the Taliban and the Pakistani government, who all follow the narrative of the “poor little God-fearing Muslim girl shot by the dastardly Muslim fundamentalists”.

      Here’s Malala giving a speech in Swat(!) at the International Marxist Tendency…

      http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2012/10/501143.html

    • EHGombrich

      “to put an outrageous attack on a synagogue by neo-Nazis on a par with
      peaceful demonstrations against the growing menace of Islam, itself the
      greatest example of anti-Semitism on the planet?”

      What makes it even more ridiculous is that the attack wasnt actually comitted ´by neo-Nazis but by two Muslims.

  • avi15

    ” …They are not exceptionally religious people driven by their faith into foreign violence: indeed, if they were, Islam as a faith would stand condemned…” The learned professor bends over backwards to avoid the obvious, methinks.

  • CharleyFarleyFive

    ‘Nobody converts without going to a mosque.’ Radicalisation however can and now does in many cases take place via the internet.

  • Mr_Ominous

    The UK government could help lessen Muslim terror attacks:

    1) Stop all immigration from Muslim countries.

    2) Ban all Muslim charities which are fronts for furthering Islamisation (Extremist Haitham Al Haddad is open about this).

    3) Ban the building of any more Mosques and monitor all activity at Mosques.

    4) Curtailing welfare hand outs to Muslims which is enabling their very high birth rates and helps create Muslim enclaves.

    5) Deport all Muslim foreign nationals currently in prisons and revoke the citizenship and deport any foreign born Muslims that commit crimes or terror related offences.

  • global city

    The main threat of violence comes from European people, apparently.

    http://www.thecommentator.com/article/5544/eu_considering_a_ban_on_islamophobia_after_paris_attacks

  • Smiffy51

    “Pull besotted girls”? They are taking young girls as sex slaves at gunpoint.

  • ThinElk

    Collier pointed out that “… success will be when the young relatives of terrorists such as Saïd Kouachi see them as clowns rather than martyrs”. Unfortunately for Collier, history seem not repeating itself with these terrorists – unlike German fascism and The Red Brigades and Bader-Meinhof, the young Muslims are more radicalized than erstwhile terrorists or in this context as Collier put it their elders. They are more dangerous than older generation which was subtle with its operations. Only European governments’ firm stand on linkages between Islam and terrorism can contain this more increasing volatile situation. All this human rights nonsense can be busted without anyone questioning; if a family member is involved in terrorism, he or she is not the only one but the whole family is linked to terrorism web – in an ideal sphere – the whole family and their connections should expelled from the country. This is simple – whether born in Europe or not one’s act against the country qualifies him or her to be expelled from the country. No judge or lawyer on public funds payroll should be entertained. Act of terrorism is a clear act of hatred and refusal to accept European country as one’s – so if one does not feel at home in Europe should be on the next flight I don’t know where? Collier’s position on this issue is very very weak, let the crime crushers deal with it.
    Thin

  • michael roberts

    “Only muslims can stop more terror attacks” makes about as much sense as saying “only mosquitoes can stop the spread of dengue”

    • Mathew Scannell

      mosquitoes rely on instinct jihadists can be credited with having agency. even in the simplest sense saying only muslims can stop islamic terrorism is clearly correct, doesn’t take much thought to figure that one out! that is not the point he is making though it is simply that once muslims condemn terrorists as apostates or infidels rather than seeing them as martyrs the culture of violence can be cut off at source.

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