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What our leaders would say if they really cared about defending Britain's Jews

2 August 2014

9:00 AM

2 August 2014

9:00 AM

The mask has been torn away. Supposedly anti-Israel protests over the Gaza war have convulsed Europe in the worst scenes of open Jew-hatred since the 1930s. In Paris, predominantly Muslim mobs screaming ‘death to the Jews’ have repeatedly tried to storm synagogues, torched cars and burnt Jewish-owned shops to the ground. In Berlin, demonstrators shouted ‘Gas the Jews’ while an imam beseeched Allah to ‘count and kill Zionist Jews to the very last one’.

In Britain, physical and verbal attacks on Jews have doubled. One woman was assaulted by a group of 50 protestors who heard her discussing Gaza on her mobile phone. Shouting ‘get her’ they surrounded and pushed her, calling her a Jew, Zionist, murderer and thief.

People are aghast. Yet this lynch-mob mentality has been building for years. Every time Israel takes military action to prevent further Palestinian attacks, it is falsely presented as the aggressive persecutor of the innocent.

Unless British Jews join this demonisation, they are deemed complicit with Israel’s ‘war crimes’. As a result, attacks on British Jews always spike during Israel’s wars. So much for the supposed distinction between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism.

Even more appalling is the silence in the face of all this of the political class.

Sure, the occasional Lib Dem is slapped down for blurting out some ripe anti-Jewish canard. But no politician has addressed this for what it is: a fundamental crisis of decency, which is a knife through the moral heart of Britain.

Anti-Semitism singles out Jews for treatment applied to no other people: the application of double standards, false claims they are committing crimes of which they are instead the victims, and demonic conspiratorial powers. This is precisely the treatment applied to Israel.

Anti-Semitism can never be eradicated. Yet much could be done to push it back under its stone if both the Prime Minister and leader of the opposition were to display moral leadership and state a number of home truths. This is what David Cameron should say:  ‘I am utterly appalled by the attacks on the Jewish people on the streets of Britain and in our public discourse. This hatred and bigotry is being fuelled by warped and distorted reporting about the Gaza war.


‘Newspapers and broadcasters are uncritically treating Hamas propaganda as fact. Indeed, since Hamas uses its people as human shields to paint Israel as child-killers, the media have effectively turned themselves into accessories to murder and incitement to hatred.

‘Frankly, in Iraq and Afghanistan we showed nothing like the care Israel is taking to avoid killing civilians wherever possible, even sacrificing its own soldiers to do so.

‘I have become aware that this Jew-hatred is fuelled by falsehoods about Israel’s historic and legal rights. Accordingly, Philip Hammond will ensure that the Foreign Office corrects its untrue claims about the ‘occupation’ and ‘illegal settlements’.

‘I have also realised that Muslim anti-Semitism is the principal driver of the Islamic war against both Israel and the West. Accordingly, the government will suspend its support for Mahmoud Abbas until the Palestinian Authority stops glorifying terrorism, promulgating blood libels and instructing its children that their highest ideal is to destroy Israel and murder Jews.

‘To combat anti-Semitism in Britain, I will also ensure that all schools teach the history of the Jewish people and its eternal connection to the land of Israel. I acknowledge that colonial Britain’s betrayal of its legal obligation to settle the Jews in their historic homeland and its appeasement of their Arab persecutors lie at the core of the Middle East conflict and stoked the Jew-hatred we now see erupting again. As Prime Minister, I feel under a moral obligation to try to put this right.’

And this is what Ed Miliband should be saying: ‘I am horrified, not just because of the resurgence of the madness from which my own family so grievously suffered in the Holocaust, but also because we on the left bear no small responsibility for this current obscenity.

‘Hamas has placed its rocket arsenals below hospitals, schools and mosques. It is using 12-year-old kids as human bombs against Israeli soldiers. Yet the left isn’t protesting against this depravity but instead demonising the Israelis who are trying to stop it.

‘I am shocked that John Prescott called Gaza a concentration camp and said Israel should be a pariah state. The EU rightly says equating Jews with Nazis is anti-Semitism.

‘But then the left marches side by side with Islamists, who are committed to the persecution of gays and women, while it boycotts Israel, the only place in the Middle East where Muslims enjoy human rights.

‘We ignore Muslim on Muslim violence in Iraq, Yemen, Libya or Gaza. We ignore the 800 or so civilians killed in Ukraine. In Syria, more than 200,000 people have been slaughtered, 2,000 in the past two weeks alone. Yet we don’t march against Assad or Putin, only against Israel.

‘We think we are progressives building a better world. We tell ourselves anti-Semitism is right-wing. We are terribly wrong. Today, anti-Semitism is overwhelmingly on the left.

‘Only now I am starting to understand that Zionism, the movement for the self-determination of the Jewish people, is part of Judaism. Hostility to Zionism means hostility to Jews. We on the left shout “Free Palestine”. But that means “Destroy Israel”. How did we progressives get on the wrong side against civilisation?

‘I am ashamed of the part the left has played in fomenting this evil we now see all around us. Under my leadership these lies and this bigotry will now end.’

All of that would help. So do you think there’s any chance that either of them will say it? No, me neither.

Such silence and worse by our politicians makes them complicit in this resurgence of the oldest hatred. Small wonder many British Jews now feel so betrayed, so nauseated and so alone.

Melanie Phillips is a columnist for the Times.

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  • Historian

    Sometimes the truth is so clear a simple.

    • Bonkim

      for those with one track minds.

      • jjjj

        Your name should be Barking.

        • Bonkim

          If that is the best you can come up with – you don’t have a brain at all – visit the Wizard of OZ so you can get some.

          • JoshuaCzajkowski

            I don’t see you making a joke…you can’t accuse him of lame jokes and not show us your talent for them

          • Bonkim

            Why should I show you anything – no one asked you to intervene on behalf of jjjj.

        • Damaris Tighe

          Or Bunkum

      • Des Demona

        Indeed, there are always 3 versions of the truth – yours, mine and what really happened. It seems the author is very much welded to her version.

        • Tom M

          I could argue just about all these points but it would be just an argument.
          One though stands out and you would need to enlighten me as to why you think that the real gem is claims about occupation and illegal settlements.

          • Des Demona

            I’m sure if you could argue you would. However, on your last point the author is postulating that the Foreign Office is stating untrue claims about ”occupation” and illegal settlement”, when in fact all the Foreign Office is doing is reiterating the stance of the UN and 160 out of 172 countries voting who deemed the occupation and settlement of East Jerusalem, the West Bank and The Golan Heights as being illegal under the 4th Geneva Convention.
            As I’m sure you know.
            Queue the stock answer that as the land was occupied under a ”defensive” war then the Geneva Convention doesn’t apply. Unfortunately it is only Israel who believes this.

          • Amy Rachel Peterson

            The following excerpt from an article by David’s Tent may help explain, Des Demona (it’s long, but useful):

            “It would be helpful to ask if Jewish settlement in the Land of Israel is indeed illegal according to international law.

            The first legal document concerning the legality of Jewish settlement in the Promised Land is the San Remo Resolution, held in the Italian town of San Remo on April 25, 1920. The Supreme Council of the Principal Allied Powers (England, France, Italy) with representatives from Japan, Greece and Belgium (the USA had observer status) decided that the Middle East would be split up into three different mandates. France would administer the Syria mandate (Lebanon and Syria), while England would oversee the Mesopotamia mandate (Iraq, Arabia) and the Palestine mandate.

            The Arabs were seen as primarily dwelling in the territories of the first two mandates, while Palestine was seen as becoming primarily a Jewish state. The Resolution states that “the Mandatory will be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 8, 1917, by the British Government, and adopted by the other Allied Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people” (www.cfr.org/israel/san-remo-resolution/p15248).

            These concepts and phraseology were taken from the Balfour Declaration of November 2, 1917 (www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/ForeignPolicy/Peace/Guide/pages/The%20Balfour%20Declaration.aspx). These words were now incorporated into a League of Nations resolution, and therefore they were clothed in the authority of international law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Remo_conference; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijS8mFP4I1A#at=39).

            International legal expert Jacques Gauthier of Toronto stated at the 90th anniversary celebrations of the Resolution, that the San Remo Conference was a “key defining moment in history.” The Jewish claim was recognized by the world’s powers (adopted by the League of Nations, and signed by 51 countries) – that the Jewish people are recognized by the Great Powers as a people worthy of self-determination, that the Jewish historical connection with the Land known as Palestine was recognized, and that they had a right to re-establish and reconstitute their Jewish historical rights in that Land. Great Britain further swore that they would “use their best endeavours to facilitate” a Jewish national home in Palestine.

            Chaim Weizmann, president of the Zionist Organization and later the first President of the State of Israel, called San Remo the “most momentous political event in the whole history of our movement, and it is, perhaps, no exaggeration to say in the whole history of our people since the Exile.” British Foreign Secretary Lord Curzon called the San Remo Resolution the “Magna Carta of the Zionists.”

            The San Remo Resolution did not determine precise boundaries at that time. They were to later “be determined by the Principal Allied Powers,” and were not finalized until the Treaty of Sèvres (August 10, 1920; Section VII, Art 94-97) and then finally confirmed by the Council of the League of Nations on 24 July 1922.

            All of what is today called the West Bank was included as part of the Jewish homeland. Therefore it is correct to describe Jewish settlement anywhere in Israel or the territories as being fully legal according to international law.

            The Israel mandate in Palestine

            The British Palestine Mandate came about after discussions by the League of Nations at the Conference of London (February 12-24, 1920; http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/palmanda.asp).

            Article 6 of the Palestine Mandate states, “The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes”(emphases mine).

            This Article declares that not only should Jews settle on all the Land (including the West Bank), but that it should be “close settlement” – highly populated and burgeoning with returning Israelites. Reference is even made to the permissibility of using State lands and waste or unused land for specific settlement.

            The Palestine Mandate mandates Jewish settlement anywhere in Israel or the territories. According to this internationally ratified legal document, Jewish settlement in today’s Israel and the West Bank is fully legal according to international law.

            The Levy Report

            In July 2012, the Israeli Government’s Commission to Examine the Status of Building in Judea and Samaria issued its findings. The Levy Report was headed by former Supreme Court Justice Edmond Levy, and included international law expert and former Foreign Ministry legal adviser Alan Baker as well as former Tel Aviv District Court Judge Tchia Shapira. The commission’s task was to “examine the situation of building in Judea and Samaria and to advise the Israeli government accordingly, and to that end had to determine the legal nature of Israel’s presence in the area. Nothing more, nothing less. No hidden political agenda.”

            Based on such legal documents as the original League of Nations Mandate for Palestine and Article 80 of the United Nations charter (which preserved the application of the League of Nations Mandate’s stipulations), the commission found that the establishment of Israeli communities in Judea and Samaria is consistent with international law (www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/The-Levy-Report-A-vital-beginning).

            The legality of Jewish settlements and communities over the Green Line – from Jenin to Ramallah and from Bethlehem to Hebron – is clear and indisputable.

            The attempts of the European Union to sanction or boycott or divest from Jewish communities and settlements in the ‘territories’ simply have no legal leg on which to stand.

            An excellent article has been written by Melanie Phillips, a British op-ed journalist and truth talker – “The baseless hatred of the EU towards Israel” (www.melaniephillips.com/the-baseless-hatred-of-the-eu-towards-israel).

          • John Kinory

            And still the ignorant, the illiterate and the plain hate-driven bigots cite Geneva without understanding the first thing about it, or understanding but lying. And that includes the institutionally antisemitic FCO (not to mention the BBC).

          • Des Demona

            Thank you for that, however the San Remo Resolution was superseded in 1947 by UN Resolution 181, as I’m sure you know but choose to ignore.
            Please be aware, I am not in the least anti Semitic and am pro Israel in many respects, which is one reason I feel badly let down over their current actions in Gaza. It is a disgrace, if not a war crime to shell hospitals, schools, markets and kill hundreds of innocent civilians. I expect much better of Israel.

          • Tom M

            We agree. The San Remo conference was a conference of the war winners and their imperial ideas of how the region should be divided. In my estimation hardly a legitimate basis for the establishment of the state of Israel. The Peel commission (1937?), was the first to propose borders for a division of the country (also accepted by the jews and rejected by the arabs).
            However before this the jews had been of the opinion that they were negotiating for a part of what was called Transjordan. This was divided up in a hurry into today’s Jordan on one side and Israel and the West Bank etc on the other side because the French fell out with the ruling arab class in Syria and another war loomed. The jews now found themselves negotiating for a part of what was left so they could be forgiven for thinking that they were given a division of a division in 1947 (but accepted it anyway).
            I agree about the disgrace to shell hospitals etc but what would you do? Especially when it is perfectly obvious that the people least interested in the civilian population of Gaza are their leaders. I think any sensible person would know when to say stop and say let’s talk terms. Wringing hands and saying it’s awful will not solve the problem.

          • alexa44

            , however the San Remo Resolution and all eariier mandates were superseded in 1947 by UN Resolution 181,

            Not really true according to Un charter article 80.

            ICJ Advisory Opinion of June 21, 1971: “When the League of Nations was dissolved, the raison d’etre[French: “reason for being”] and original object of these obligations remained. Since their fulfillment did not depend on the existence of the League, they could not be brought to an end merely because the supervisory organ had ceased to exist. … The International Court of Justice has consistently recognized that the Mandate survived the demise of the League [of Nations].”

          • Amon Duul

            Actually very true.

          • alexa44

            Wow such conivncing answer . lol

          • Mike

            “I feel badly let down over their current actions in Gaza” — So what would you do over Hamas and their rockets, say “Pretty please, stop firing them at us”.

            For goodness sakes, these guys are terrorists using women and children as a shield because they haven’t got the guts to fight face to face. We shoot rabid dogs and these low lifes should be removed from the planet as well.

          • Jonathan

            Mate you need to see a doctor, and soon!!!!

          • Mike

            Its the hysterical left wing that need serious medical counselling now as they’re the ones with the problem when faced with real situations that demand accepting the facts. They need a reality check urguently !

          • Amon Duul

            The occupation is illegal, we already know that. San Remo is a Hasbara red herring.

          • John Kinory

            Well, the UN is LYING.
            Get an education and check the facts.

          • Des Demona

            Thank you for your contribution. have you informed the UN that they are lying or would you like me to do it?

          • alexa44

            “‘A trust’ – as in Article 80 of the UN Charter – does not end because the trustee dies … the Jewish right of settlement in the whole of western Palestine – the area west of the Jordan – survived the British withdrawal in 1948. … They are parts of the mandate territory, now legally occupied by Israel with the consent of the Security Council.

          • Amon Duul

            It is illegal to gain land by war. END.

          • alexa44

            Indeed it was illegal for Jordan to gain Judea and Samaria by war.

          • Tom M

            Not my stock answer at all. As far as I’m concerned a division of the region was proposed under UN181 in 1947. It was accepted by the jews (a lot less than they had been led to believe they could expect to get) and rejected by the arabs. The arabs started a war to emphasis their rejection. That is not a recognised negotiating position. To this day resolution has never been accepted.
            The proposed borders could only apply if eveybody agreed to them (they could hardly be imposed as is demonstrated daily in the area).
            As the arabs continue to dispute any borders, and in the case of Hamas, any borders at all, then the Israelis can hardly be accused of occupying anything. The arabs can’t have it both ways.
            That the UN deems these settlements (I don’t think they should be there either by the way) and occupation illegal has to be on the premise that the original proposed borders are still legitimate. If this was accepted by the arabs then there would indeed be case for claiming “occupation” and “illegal settlements”. But they haven’t.

            As to your original comments on Iraq, Yemen, Libya et al I think your own phrase applies……”And quite a lot of other hysterical misinformation that I can’t be bothered going into”.

          • Des Demona

            Correct, the borders were accepted by the Jewish Agency in 1947, that the Arabs did not is beside the point. In order to maintain legitimacy then Israel should abide by resolution 181.
            To say, ”oh well the other side don’t accept these borders so we can ignore our legally mandated borders and grab whatever we want” is hardly a legitimate position.

          • Tom M

            Des that is entirely the point. As both sides had a justifiable claim on the region and it went to (non-binding apparently) arbitration then for it to work both sides must agree. If they don’t there is no deal. As I said before the borders could hardly be imposed.
            The arabs either consciously or subconsciously are where they were before 1947. Having rejected the proposed two-state solution in 1947 (and all others since) they have tacitly selected the only other option. A military solution.
            That involves risk to their population (not that they seem to care much about that) and to the division of land initially proposed. I might remind you that the whole region before WW1 belonged to the Ottoman Empire and was taken from them as a result of them being on the losing side WW1. Moving ownership of land around following a war isn’t new. There are quite a few even more recent examples if you look.
            Although I don’t agree with applying that to Israel there are many who would do just that and if you’ve just won the war who is going to gainsay it?.

          • Mike

            Those ‘arabs’ are rogue states if you can even call them that as for the most part they’re just a bunch of transient terrorists trying to exterminate the Jews.

            It is very much the point that if you agree to an International settlement but the other party behave like rabid dogs then you have every right to do whatever is necessary to protect your people who are threatened with genocide.

          • mikewaller

            Someone arguing from the same perspective as you last week caused me to check up on that famous 1947 vote. No Muslin country or near neighbour of what I shall call, in the interests of neutrality, the Holy Land, voted in favour. A simple majority of the then colonial era General Assembly was secured largely thanks to votes from the Americas, Europe, and Australasia, with Britain, the most knowledgeable country, abstaining. May well be the biggest guilt-trip (arising out of the holocaust) plus NIMBY exercise in world history.

          • Tom M

            Sorry the composition of the UN wasn’t to your liking but it was what was available at the time and a decision was reached.
            Are you really suggesting that that decision should be ignored and the whole process started again because in your view the odds might have changed in favour of the arabs? You could continue that process for ever.
            Your post reminded me of Terry Woodley I think he is called. The Union bloke for the BA cabin staff. BA took them to court for some breach of the union’s own voting rules. The union lost. What did Woodley do? Accused the judge of class warfare and he was serious. Make you laugh otherwise wouldn’t it?

          • mikewaller

            This typifies the problem. I have pointed out that the original resolution was less than gold standard. You immediately infer from that I am proposing put the existence of Israel back in the melting point; yet I have already made clear that the West would feel bound to act if a second Holocaust seemed about to happen.

            The reality is that Israel’s rock solid belief in the essential correctness of it posture and all its actions is central to the ongoing tragedy. It is only if and when you accept that the Palestinians also have one hell of a case that the possibility of some progress will emerge.

            The position over the putative Israeli captive is a paradigm of this. Combatants almost invariably have personal taken as prisoners, [Jewish terrorists/freedom fighters garroted two British personnel they had captured] but very few rack up the significance of such events to the same level as Israel. De facto, the penalty paid in lives (combatant and civilian) taken in revenge have been measured in the hundreds. Do a bit of military history and find out which other powers have exacted revenge on such a scale. My thinking is that you will someone embarrassed by the company in which you find yourselves.

          • alexa44

            Are you suggesting that all Israel is doing in Gaza is about revenge?

          • mikewaller

            Must read with more care. I used term revenge solely in relation to taking of Israeli prisoners.

          • Liza Jones

            No one is disputing a case for Palestinians. The only problem is their unwillingness to accept a case for Israel in supporting groups that have vowed to annihilate Israel. What is it about Hamas’s constitution that you don’t get?

          • mikewaller

            You need to turn the problem on its head. Imagine a world in which Jews occupied the whole of Palestine and a resurgent Islam attacked and drove them down into a small part of what had been their country. At what point would Jewish people say to themselves “Well that’s it, we’ve lost and must settle for just a little bit more than we have now?” History tell us never, so why should you expect the Palestinians to be any different?

            Please don’t think I am in any sense a supporter of violent Arab nationalism. I am English and just see them as a Semitic version of the IRA, which I despise. However, I deal in facts and the fact is that for so long as it exists, Israel will be seen by Muslims of all kinds as an alien creation at the heart of what they call “the Muslim lands” and an insult to all they hold dear. Now it is possible that in Western countries the Muslims will go the way of the Catholics and, de facto, see their primary allegiance being to the country in which they live. However, even here I am not sanguine. In the middle East, given the complete dog’s dinner they have made of their most recent chance of entering modernity, I see no possibility of this. Ergo Israel will always be under threat and given the way in which history has transformed what might be termed Muslim irregulars into very effective forces, that threat is not going to reduce. Israel will therefore continue to be heavily reliant for its continued existence on support from outside the region. With this in mind, the massive display of destructive power it has just put on all our screens in mind-blowingly stupid. Frankly, apart from Jewish friends, I know of nobody who will now speak up for Israel.

          • Liza Jones

            Before you can stand something on its head you have to have an accurate understanding of the matter in the first place. The Jews have inhabited the area known as Palestine since the Bronze Age. If you use the principle of First Nations then they have a very solid claim to that part of the country. As for Arabs, they originated in the Saudi Peninsula (Arabia), so 1. they came from another place, and, 2. if you want to throw in the idea of Israeli “expansionism” around then you have to explain away Arab/Muslim imperialism. Vast swaths of land in the Middle East and North Africa, and for a time southern Spain, were invaded by Arabs and who dominated the indigenous people. So you need to readjust your understanding of what you refer to as “Muslim lands”
            As for your analogy with the situation in Northern Ireland, again, your “facts” are really suppositions. There is no comparison between the goals of the IRA and the Arabs. The IRA did begin with a demand for a united Ireland because under Protestant domination Catholics were denied civil rights to education, job opportunities and a political voice in the Unionist monopoly government. Violent resistance was the only alternative at the time. Mother England had no concern for her Catholic subjects in Northern Ireland and either knew nothing or cared less about their plight. The resistance movement started as a civil rights movement a la Martin Luther King, and it was the Protestant side that drew first blood, stoning protestors at a peaceful march at Burntollet Bridge, near Derry. As a former Northern Irish Catholic, I can tell you that no one in the Catholic community wanted death and annihilation for Protestants, and had England acted immediately to extend equal rights and due process of law to the Catholic community the Troubles would never have begun. As for Catholics having to accept they have lost and claim allegiance to England-hardly. They won civil rights and in comparison to their Protestant counterparts, have a better educated community, if you look at the stats. They also now have processes in place that may in time, through political means, result in a united Ireland. As a British subject born in Northern Ireland, I now have the legal right to carry an Irish passport. A lot has been achieved that enabled Catholics to participate positively in their communities. But would Arabs settle for living equally alongside Israel? Yet in Israel Arabs have civil rights–educational opportunities, work and political representation in the Knesset and perhaps most importantly they have due process of law under a democratic government—the only democratic government in the Middle East. That fact alone is why Israel must be defended.

          • Tom M

            A kindred spirit indeed.

          • mikewaller

            To make my position clear, from a purely selfish/national point of view, I would much prefer Israel had never been created. To again use the Irish parallel of which you so strongly disapprove, it had all the risks attendant upon “planting” large numbers of Scots-English protestants in the midst of Catholic Ireland, which, again, is something I wish had never happened.

            However, in both cases, it has, so we have to live with the consequences as in neither case would I consider the mass expulsion of the incomers acceptable. Indeed, I and I suspect millions of other Westerners implicitly accept that we would have to act were this to become a serious prospect. This is where the disproportionality of the Israeli response and the continuing land grabbing is so infuriating. If Israel worked on a straight “eye for an eye” basis, I suppose we could live with it. For example, by discharging one tank round or rocket for each incoming one. But, instead, we see destruction and the killing of civilians on a massive scale. It may be very well received on the home front, but it has been highly damaging to the reputation of Israel in the eyes of those from whom, in the longer run, it may desperately need support.

            As for the Jews having been their since the bronze age, I am inclined to agree, accepting in doing so that the stuff about the Canaanites is so much self-serving propaganda, probably dreamed up in Babylon. However I understand that modern scholarship suggests that the idea of the Romans expelling all Jews from their homeland is also likely nonsense. The more probable explanation is that the Jews, like the Greeks and Armenians, having quite exceptional trading skills created colonies throughout the known world. Then, when the Arabs emerged from Arabia, they treated the Jews still living in Palestine exactly as they treated indigenous peoples throughout the huge swathe of land they conquered. The sicken brutalities of “Isis” gives us a contemporary example: men posing any kind of threat are killed whilst the rest of the population “convert” on pain of death. That is why many suggest that the gene-base of the the present day Palestinians is likely to be much close to that of the ancient Jews than is the gene-base of those Jews who have “returned” to Israel, in particular those who came from Europe and America.

            That said, even if this is true, I do not see it as a justification for the destruction of Israel. It just shows what a complete dog;’s dinner the whole situation is and that only massive levels of compromise on both sides offers any prospect of resolving it. Smashing the Palestinians to smithereens is hardly likely to help in this.

            I will deal with Northern Ireland in a separate post.

          • mikewaller

            Regarding Northern Ireland,I could not agree more about the complete cack-handedness of the initial response to the most recent round of “troubles”. As I have said, I would have far preferred the original plantations never having been established. But they had, and the policy of “letting sleeping dogs lie” in respect of Northern Irish inequalities was shameful. However, part of the problem lay in the debt the English felt they owed the Protestants as a result of their valour in two World Wars which, for all the courage of hundreds of thousands of Southern Irishmen who participated, an entity which we might call Irish Nationalism chose to sit out. Indeed, my father”s generation routinely called the Easter Rising, “the stab in the back”, something in this period of remembering the horrendous loses in WW1 is all the more understandable.

            However, when the brutality of the B specials was revealed, English sentiment was solidly on the side of the Catholics. Indeed it was at the request of the SDP that troops were sent in. Had the Northern Irish Catholics then followed this with the example of Gandhi or Martin Luther king, it might have been a different story. Instead, the IRA started killing soldiers, that fed into Bloody Sunday (a huge travesty of justice) and the rest in history.

            The irony is the English would be overjoyed if we could peacefully disentangle ourselves from Northern Ireland, not least because it currently costs us £11 billion per year to keep afloat. Sadly since “the Celtic Tiger” died, there seems little prospect of this. That said, as the original plantations were very much the brainchild of James I of England/James VI of Scotland, if Scotland votes for independence it could reasonably be argued the the whole situation would have to be re-examined.

          • Amon Duul

            Both Jews and Palestinians are descendants of the Canaanites. The Jews left, the Arabs stayed, and converted to Christianity and Islam. They have the right to half the land.

          • Liza Jones

            Now is that half a mathematical half as in 50%, or .5, or is it a figure of speech half? Many Palestinians originate in Egypt and unless there is DNA typing exactitude is just so much speculation as to who Palestinians really are—whether descendants of Canaanites or more recent transplants from elsewhere in the region and it what percentage.

          • Amon Duul

            Hamas has no seat at the negotiations. What is it about that that you don’t get?

          • Tom M

            I didn’t infer I asked if that was your position given that you clearly doubted the legitimacy of the UN vote.
            I didn’t dispute the Palestinian’s case. I only point out that they have been offered numerous opportunities for a peaceful solution and rejected all, indicated usually by either starting a war or an intifada. If you wish clarification just ask and I will happily enlighten you with the details.
            “…..Do a bit of military history and find out which other powers have exacted revenge on such a scale…….”
            6th August 1945 will do without digging much at all.
            I won’t bother with the rest of you post as Liza Jones (et al) below has expressed the points more eloquently than I could.

          • mikewaller

            I your suggestion, I will devote most of my effort towards Liza Jones; but regarding the use of the atomic bomb, you’re talking complete nonsense. It was deployed as a means of ending a war that would otherwise have entailed a direct landing on the Japanese homeland at the cost of millions of allied lives and countless more of Japanese. There are arguments along the lines that it could have been dropped on an uninhabited island, but as it took two civilian targets to get the Japanese to see sense, this has always seemed to me implausible. Certainly it was in no sense a revenge attack. The killing of that kind to which I was directing you, were those of, for example, the Nazis,where the death of a single German soldier attracted the penal killing of hundreds of civilians. Although this is a parallel we are usually too polite to mention, it cannot be far from the backs of the minds of many who observe the usual ratios applying in Israeli/Palestinian conflicts.

          • Tom M

            Good afternoon Mike,
            Well I think you were the first to wander off track with comparisons about Northern Ireland. So quoting or misrepresenting other conflicts is bound to end up with an insoluble argument.
            However that said, interestingly I see very little that you write is in the way of criticism for the Hamas actions. So it shouldn’t be a surprise to me that the logic of Israel’s existence as I explained to you should be so unacceptable.
            The surprise should be that anyone could accuse the arabs of reason or civilised actions in all of this especially when the brotherhood is busy slaughtering their own people all over the middle east. You have heard of, or perhaps even seen these youtube beheadings and cannabilism proudly presented by the jihadis as righteous proof of their case. This built on a proclaimed view of homophobia, anti women’s education (and body parts), apostasy and mother’s proud ambitions for their sons to be suicide bombers etc etc. These are the very people inhabiting Gaza today that you find no fault with.

          • mikewaller

            I think you, inadvertently, illustrate a key component of the problem: a conviction that your cause is so just the crudest forms of misrepresentation are acceptable in support of it. I have repeatedly made clear that I utterly despise the actions of Islamic fundamentalists. Yet this you chose to ignore. To repeat, in my view they are even worse than militant Irish Nationalist, which, from my perspective, is saying something. All I am trying to tell those who love Israel who have the intelligence to listen – sadly, you do not seem to pass the second test – is that the continued land-grabbing of Israelis plus the massive over-reaction to what are admittedly very real threats to its citizens, are pissing off people in the West to a degree that is deeply damaging to Israel’s long term interests. If you cannot see that, I am very, very sorry for you. Certainly, continuing with the kind of one-eyed defence you have offered up ain’t going to help matters.

          • Amon Duul

            Palestinians have never been offered a deal they could accept.

          • alexa44

            51 memebers of the leage of nation voted for a Jewish home in Palestien in 1922. 1947 vote was a violation of the Leage of Nation resolution.

          • alexa44

            of course no Muslim country voted which just prove what the conflict is all about.

          • Amon Duul

            They voted for two states. Why did Israel get away with preventing one state from existing? Because it entered a pact with Jordan to divide up the land.

          • Tom M

            If you are referring to UN181 in 1947, that was a two state offer, the jews accepted it. The arabs, all those surrounding Israel including Jordan, didn’t accept it (and to this day never have) they started a war to eradicate Israel instead.
            By the way Jordan, far from accomodating Israel in some way during the war, actually annexed the West Bank and Egypt annexed Gaza.
            Your post below suggesting that the jews got more than they should have reads like some arab cariacature of history. The jews after WW1 were given to understand (under the Sykes Picot agreement) that they would be negotiating for a part of what was called Transjordan at the time. Roughly that is the area today known as the West Bank, Israel and Jordan.
            Unfortunately the French up in Syria managed to upset the arab ruling classes (who were relatives of the ruling classes in Saudi arabia). As an arab war was looming Britain divided up Transjordan unilateraly giving today’s Jordan to the arabs to placate them. Leaving the jews to argue for a partition of what was left. Effectively this was a division of a division. Hardly more than they should have received I think.
            Before posting more made up history I suggest you make yourself acquainted with what really happened first.

          • Amon Duul

            Jordan and Israel divided the land between them. The Jews started the Nakba and invaded what was to be the Arab state. That is history not Hasbara. The Arab armies only intervened in order to try and stop massacres such as Dier Yassin. Modern Israeli historians all agree on these facts.

          • Tom M

            I don’t know which arab history book you are referring to Amon but I haven’t read it or know of it (and you would have to prove who these “modern Israeli historians are).
            In passing, perhaps you are unaware of this, but Jordan and Israel were at war in 1948. Jordan was part of the Arab League at the time who issued a statement on the 15th May 1948, the day the arabs armies entered Palestine. This statement proclaimed the ending of the state of Israel and imposing a one state solution (clearly by military means).
            Jordan remained at war with Israel until an armistice signed on April 3 1949. Part of the armistice agreement was that control of Jerusalem was divided between Israel and Jordan. As I said earlier Jordan annexed the West Bank (hardly within the gift of Israel to give them the West Bank was it?). And for good measure Egypt annexed Gaza. I assume you are aware of what “annexed” means? Jordan and Egypt invaded and occupied those two areas and that had nothing to do with Israel whatsoever. Israel was fighting for survival at the time. Hardly in a position to dictate the division of the region with the very people who wanted rid of them.
            Now if you want to continue the debate don’t throw silly statements around you must quote sources and verifiable facts. If you do you will give me great pleasure as I like debating the history of this conflict and have lots of time to do it.

          • Amon Duul

            You make general statements which do not stand up to the facts. Israel and Jordan had a pact, look it up. Your specious reference to phrases such as ‘hardly within the gift of Israel to’ shows that you are not well read in this area. I can suggest a reading list if that will help you.

          • Tom M

            You have my interest post the reading list please (proper books please not silly websites anyone can write those).
            PS: Can’t understand your comment of Israel having a pact with Jordan. There was no Israel until 1948.
            However, let’s not nitpick, let’s see what reading material you can provide us with.

          • Amon Duul

            When the Arabs turned down the offer, which gave Jews more than their proportionate share of the land, they launched the Nakba, and ethnically cleansed Arabs. The invaded the area set aside for the Arabs. The 4 Arab armies (Jordan had a secret agreement with Israel) only intervened to try and stop massacres such as Deir Yassin. The Arabs offered one state with equal rights for all, but the Jews rejected it.

          • davidr

            Jews are fabricators. Everything is fabricated by them for them.

          • Mike

            All countries believe in occupuying land captured from an agressor to secure their borders and in Israels case they have a very good reason as the likes of Hamas aren’t trying to recapture land lost or argued over but actually destroy ALL jews in the region.

            Do you honestly think that Israel should let them in and pray that the UN stops these killers and terrorists before they are all exterminated. Get real you stupid woman !!!

        • John Kinory

          Plenty of hysterical misinformation in Des’ rant.

          • davidr

            How? Discuss.

        • Mike

          The media coverage of a nation fighting back against an aggressor (Hamas) has filled the pages and the news slots 100 times more than that of the slaughter of thousands in Iraq, Syria & Libya, that is the bias that those of us with half a brain are seeing.

          Before this conflict started, there was muted coverage of the genocide and civil wars that are still going on in the Middle east but the moment Israel tries to defend its borders, all the wet liberal supporters of Islamofascists crawl out from under their rocks and take centre stage.

          All wars are a failure in negotiation but Islamofascists don’t do negotiation as their only skill is barbaric acts like beheading, wiping out thir opponents be them other Muslims, Christians and most certainly Jews. Hamas, ISIS, Muslim Brotherhood & Boko Haram are just four terrorist organisation out of the many that exist within Islam and it is they that have the blood of thousands on their hands not the Jews or even the west.

          • davidr

            I don’t know what country you’re in, but this isn’t the case with the UK, one of Jewish benevolent funders. There was nothing on BBC for a good while. Even now that the Jews have begun ‘fighting back’ (roars of laughter), the BBC has a 30 second spot and it’s all usually biased towards the Jew, but that stands to reason. Isn’t death by shrapnel wounds, lying in the sun, without water or in what was a hospital without power and medicines barbaric? Seems pretty barbaric to me. Discuss.

          • Mike

            The British press, Channel 4,Sky News and the BBC is full of Israel fighting terrorists who have been shooting rockets into their country and at the latest count they have 35 tunnels from which to strike Israel. It was all about casualties in Gaza completely ignoring the on going genocide and civil wars in Syria, Libya & Iraq.

            I suspect the bias is changing slightly now there is irrefutable evidence of these 35 tunnels and counting as thats difficult for the left to hide from the peoples of Europe. However, the main thrust of the news is still about casualties in Gaza rather than reporting terrorist activities.

          • davidr

            Granted, C4 has been covering it as has RT. But the BBC hasn’t until recently, but the BBC is very cautious, very inward looking and very expensive.

            Nothing about the barbarism quote then?

          • TrulyDisqusted

            Gosh you must be a subscriber to Parallel Universe, that new BBC news channel… The one I get has broadcasts from hospitals with the sound of rockets being fired from nearby and the presenters pretend they can’t hear it and that most of us are too stupid to know what a rocket being fired less than 50 foot away sounds like!

        • Liza Jones

          You dissemble. There is no comparison. Every point made is legitimate. You are grasping for straws to refute these truths. If Israel acted like Putin has, Gaza would be under Israel’s control, just as the Crimea is under Russian control. Sanctions? They are feeble to say the least.

          • Amon Duul

            Gaza is under Israel’s control.

          • Liza Jones

            By virtue of Hamas attacks on Israel. Blockades went up after the rocket attacks, not before. In the interim since Israel’s withdrawal, Hamas has waged piecemeal antagonistic war against Israel. No reasonable country would tolerate this incessant aggression. As long as Hamas stands for the destruction of Israel it cannot have a legitimate political voice in the region, no matter how much Palestinian support it gets. A majority vote to annihilate Israel can never have legitimacy, and this seems to be the only tune Hamas is able to hum. They won’t be at the negotiating table in any peace and reconstruction efforts, in their present manifestation.

        • Foxy Loxy

          The civilians being killed in Ukraine are having their lives snuffed out by Ukranian authorities: the side which we’re supporting.

          Russia is killing nobody.

        • Cyril Sneer

          “We ignore the 800 or so civilians killed in Ukraine”Ummmm….. no we don’t. Russia is being heavily sanctioned”

          The 800 or so civilians killed in Ukraine are mostly Eastern Ukrainians killed by shelling from the Ukrainian Army. The western media barely mentions this.

          • Des Demona

            The conflict was created by Russia annexing Crimea and encouraging other separatists – therefore they are being sanctioned for flagrant breaches of international law – I’m appalled by what is happening in Ukraine but to compare the situation with Gaza is apples and oranges. That is a civil war, Gaza is not.

      • Tom M

        Which part of Melanie Philips article do you disagree with and why?

        • Bonkim

          All of it, and because she is the Fifth Column in British journalism.

          • jjjj

            Just like George Galloway and Yvonne Ridley then.

          • Bob339

            She is a tiny part of it.

          • sarah_13

            She is not a fifth column because the UK military would agree with more or less 100%. It is you who are out of step and she along with the people who keep you safe at night who agree. The UK, US and Israeli intelligence work closely together, israeli technology keeps british troops safe. They are on the same side.

          • Bonkim

            Doubt if the people in Britain support Israel’s killing spree in Gaza. There must be a more intelligent way to deal with Hamas and their rockets.

          • sarah_13

            No one supports a “killing spree”. It is only those who appear to believe that israel exists in a vacuum and are in the comfort of their british and european homes who could possibility characterise it as that.

            Read hamas’s charter, it is clear and unambiguous in its genocidal intent. Hamas since it intimidated its way into power following the only elections ever held in gaza proceeded to murder the fatah opposition by throwing them off buildings. These are just people who disagree with them. If you have a realistic idea of how to deal with an ideology that encourages suicide bombers by paying the families a salary like wise for other terrorist activities I think the israelis would be very interested to hear about it.

            Meanwhil Colonel Richard Kemp has said that “The IDF does more to protect the rights of civilians in war then any other army in the history of warfare.” The UK and the US follow israeli procedures not the other way aroung. This is a horrible conflict but hamas has been in control of gaza for years and has turned it into a launching pad for murder. They are focused ultimately on an ideology that does not care about palestinians but is a sunni supremacists islamist ideology, like they ISIS sunni supremacist brothers in Iraq who are indiscriminately killing muslims and christians. The facts are not pleasant, but israel is not in a nice position and though they warn civilians, send leaflets, broadcast in arabic they are being countered by hamas telling people to stay indoors and imams telling them to welcome death. Israel is not perfect and warfare is not nice but they are fighting people whose values are so abhorrent they are hard to believe. These are the facts.

          • Amon Duul

            Why does Mel not cover anti Semitic attacks on Israelis who want peace?

          • Bonkim

            Not sure – but anti semitism in any form is wrong and illegal and hope the law takes strong action against anyone fomenting such acts..

      • global city

        or nasty left wing cnuts

    • Charles Hammond Jr

      The wicked take the truth to be hard.

      We live in a wicked age ruled by wicked men.

  • Liberty

    Spot on. I can’t add a thing.

  • Bonkim

    There is little doubt that Hamas is a terrorist organisation bent on Israel’s destruction – equally Israel is an occupying power that has taken land from the Palestinians in 1947 and now bent on expanding its settlements into lands it occupied in 1967. Criticising Israel’s illegal occupation cannot be branded anti-Semitism. Unless Israel recognizes the legitimate grievances and rights of Palestinians to have their own state, it will have no sympathy from the rest of the world – regardless of support from the US and Britain.

    • zanzamander

      Islam is an occupying power in much of the lands and countries we now call Islamic. Jerusalem was never an Islamic “holy” land, except when invading Islamic hoards invaded, killed and occupied it and turned it into an “their” holy place. Same in much of MENA, India, Iran, Chinese provinces and elsewhere.

      • jjjj

        Exactly. Only the Islamists and their enablers would deny Jewish sovereignty over Jerusalem. They would like to go back to the situation prior to 1967 when the Jordanians made paving stones from the Western Wall. Israel allows full worship rights to Arabs on Temple Mount. Can you imagine the Arabs allowing this to Jews?

        • Bonkim

          There was sufficient land in the US to have a Jewish State within the US – why did they not do that – and avoided all the hassle and expense of continuing conflict.

          • RobertC

            There is sufficient land in the ME for all muslims living there and still have some left over, Israel, for the Children of Israel, whose roots go back on the same land for over 3000 years.

          • Bonkim

            Yes that is if people are sensible – Since there appears to be a lack of willingness on the part of both to compromise and live-let live, they will have to fight it out to the bitter end – Neither side are angels – and our arguing about rights and wrongs will not alter the situation on the ground. Melanie Phillips obvious knows which side she supports.

      • Bonkim

        History is shaped by migration, wars, conquests, and revolutions. Islam was the dominant power in much of the then known world – particularly Central Asia. Islam was the new religion and zeal of the new swept across the land – covering North Africa, East and southern Europe. So what is new?

    • Keith D

      Jew hatred is so unbecoming.

      • Bonkim

        No one hates Jews – but they are not acting like civilized people – and hence attracting hatred.

        • Damaris Tighe

          “They”? No qualification. Just “they”?

          • Wessex Man

            You know that the constant rant at Bonkin has resulted in him saying that, The fact is by your and mad Mel’s reckoning, the USA shouldn’t exist, nor Canada, Australia and many more!

          • Damaris Tighe

            Eh? Have you read my main post on Mel & her religious argument? Calm down dear.

    • cityca

      Jews inhabited much of the Middle East, long before Islam occupied it. Now, Jews inhabit only Israel, having been forced to quit countries in which many had been living for millennia.

      Your comment about Hamas is incomplete – it doesn’t just want to destroy Israel, but Jews globally.

      Zionism is a perfectly reasonable endeavour – the aspiration of a state for Jewish people. That you cannot even accept that means to me you start from a place that is not able to comprehend the meaning of anti Semitic racism.

      • Bonkim

        Yes – Migration since Biblical times apart, history of today’s Israel is closely associated with Christian persecution of jews in Europe/Russia for two Millennia culminating in the Holocaust – and atonement for past sins by the Great Powers in allocating Palestine as the homeland for the persecuted Jews.

        Jews were already spread in many countries and still are – so this is a people (now with two homes) – taking land from the Palestinians to bring together their historical diaspora. Europe persecuted Jews and Palestinians paying the price – perverse justice.

        • NicoleS

          Jews did not take land from the Palestinians. Read some history.

    • jjjj

      Did you even read the article? I’m on the Left when it comes to Israel, read my previous posts if you are sceptical. But do you think I can ignore the scum who wish to end it for the Jews as Melanie describes? By the way, if the Arabs had accepted the ’47 UN resolution they would have had the Palestinian or TransJordanian state by now. You piece of scum, continue ignoring the fact that if the Arabs had won in 1948 the Holocaust would have been repeated again.

      • Bonkim

        Why should I read your post – Why should Arabs pay the price for Europe’s Holocaust and two Millennia of Jewish persecution. Assume you have some brains left despite the flood of bigotry.

        • NicoleS

          The Arabs are paying the price for not being able to tolerate Jews in their region. They could have had their own state in 1948, and several times since. The truth is they do not want their own state, they want Israel gone.

    • RoMo

      Um. Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005. So what’s it occupying there? The Palestinians could very well have had their own state there but they scupper all efforts to create one themselves. Instead of building a terrorist infrastructure with tunnels and bombs and missiles, they could have built a Singapore. But it’s much easier to blame Israel for all that ails them, isn’t it?

      • Bonkim

        Didn’t you know Gaza was a Refugee camp for three generations following the founding of Israel on confiscated land. Not just easy but blaming Israel for the plight of the Palestinian Refugees in Gaza and other locations is the least one can do to keep the memory of such a gigantic historic injustice alive for succeeding generations – those who live by the sword die by the sword – and if this continues Israel is not all that secure regardless of its massive strength and outside help.

  • Fak_Zakaix

    Semites VS Semites on European soil…

  • Terry Field

    This article is entirely correct, and highlights the moral bankruptcy of the infantile ‘leadership’ in Britain, and in Europe.
    An element ignored here, that adds to Israel’s worries, is this dreadfully irresponsible American President, who, as part of the ‘pivot’ strategy, gave the whole of the North African Muslim area to the Moslem Brotherhood as a means of buying quietness in that ‘region’ – and if it had not been for the good sense of the Egyptian people, he would have succeeded in Egypt as well. He plainly works to allow Iran to achieve a nuclear bomb.
    He is a catastrophe, a denial of everything the US achieved and stood for since 1945.
    He oozed anti- Israel sentiment whenever the Israeli PM visited Washington.

    • kevinlynch1005

      What, as opposed to the last guy who entirely destabilised Iraq, such that it is now a hotbed of islamic terrorism?

      • Mike

        Although I was against the Iraq war the action by Bush just acted as a catalyst for what was simmering under the surface in Islamic states. The Islamofacists were and have been biding their time before they surfaced in Iraq, Syria, Libya and only through the Egyptian military did they restore order there.

        The stated aim of Islamofacism is to turn the world into a hardline Sharia entity no matter what and western interference just hastened the day it will happen unless we wake up and stop them.

        • Damaris Tighe

          The first Islamic takeover (Iran) was in 1979.

          • Mike

            I haven’t got time right now to look it up but I believe the first Islamic take over of areas of the world happened centries ago and has never stopped. Long before their conquest of Spain they had conquered many areas of the middle east.

          • Damaris Tighe

            … in modern times.

          • Tom M

            Indeed so. Happened in the seventh century. They went clockwise around North Africa and up through Spain till they arrived at Poitiers in France. They were stopped there by Charles Martel and that’s where the push-back started. Strangely a C4 documentary some time ago on Muslims started at this point (paraphrasing here) saying things were peacfull then and everybody was happy until the Christians started a war………
            On the other side of the Med. they went anticlockwise until they reached Vienna where they were pushed back to Constantinople.
            Meanwhile they made a foray round into India and got stopped there in what is today’s happy Islamic community of Pakistan.

          • Mike

            Love the sarcasm, not sure the left appreciate it !

          • John Kinory

            What else would C4 say? It’s a racist, lying, bigoted (and specifically, antisemitic) outfit.

          • tolpuddle1

            Pity the West backed the Shah and his CIA- / Mossad-trained torturers, then

          • alexa44

            I think that would the 7th century when they took over the Middle East

      • Terry Field

        Blair already lives in the Levant most of the time.
        The solution is simple – Theresa May should impound his passport, and stamp it with a single visa to allow him to live in the IS and nowhere else.
        Job done.

  • guest14

    Britain had no “legal obligation to settle the Jews in their historic homeland” – had there been such an obligation then there would have been court cases at the time (a period of 30 years). None that I have heard of.

    • kevinlynch1005

      What should have happened is that the Germans, who started the whole mess that led to the Jews requiring their own homeland, should have been forced to give up some territory in Germany for the creation of an ‘Israel’ somewhere near Munich – say. This would have saved a lot of grief.

      • jjjj

        Firstly, your comment is stupid: Zionism began as a reaction to the pogroms and antisemitism that culmninated in the Holocaust and after a period of dormancy is rising again. Second, your post is immoral: You expect the survivors to found a state amidst the people who tried to murder them?

        • kevinlynch1005

          That is your opinion. I disagree. Better the Jews learned to live with that (and let’s face it, Western Europe became civilised after WW2), than start their own programme of Lebensraum by ethnically cleansing Arab villages in the newly created state of Israel.

          • jjjj

            Because like the rest of you and your kind, you are only interested in spraying muck.

          • Bonkim

            you are pretty good at spreading muck – you troll.

          • jjjj

            You are the one to talk. Funnily, when someone comments in my support you go mad with rage but you do so yourself. Never mind. My answer to you is AM YISRAEL CHAI.

          • Bonkim

            Sorry don’t understand Yiddish.

          • jjjj

            When it suits you.

          • NicoleS

            Not Yiddish. Try again.

          • Bonkim

            you are pretty good at spreading muck – you troll.

          • jjjj

            ‘the Jews’, don’t you belong on Stormfront? And Western Europe became civilized after WW2: woo hoo. No villages were ethnically cleansed. Now the Arabs showed their genocidal tendencies back in 1929 when the Jewish population of Hebron were massacred. Men, women and children. The Arab states told the inhabitants of Mandatory Britain to flee because the Arab armies were coming to liberate the country from the Jews who would all be exterminated. And of course, the Brits (antisemite Ernie Bevin) didn’t stick around to see the results of their betrayal of the Jews. So the Jews won and of course the ‘camel corps’ went into overdrive mode because Jews were not meant to ever win a battle let alone a war. Jews were meant to die so that it could be said that are atoning for the death of Christ.

          • kevinlynch1005

            Stormfront?! Please. Let’s try and keep calm and rational here.

          • Damaris Tighe

            “Western Europe became civilised after WW2”. When some Jewish camp survivors returned to their homes in Poland in 1946 they were attacked, robbed & murdered all over again.

          • NicoleS

            Nice reference to Lebensraum, equating Jews to Nazis. The perfect antisemitic touch. Jews did not ethnically cleanse Arab villages. Arabs left or were driven out because of a war started (and lost) by their Arab neighbours.

  • Amir

    Read my interview with Norman Lamont on Britain’s jews, reshuffle, immigration, europe and scotland:

    http://www.casualpolitics.co.uk/2014/07/lord-norman-lamont-speaks-to-casual-politics/

    I’ll be grateful to you if you click on the advert, underneath of the page (no virus), each click will bring me 45 p which will contribute to keep my website open.

  • cityca

    Politicians and the media are cowardly and have few ethics. They are interested in the main chance – THEIR main chance that is. Principles, decency, truth and the future are subsumed to expediency and their own success.

    Well written Mel, you nail it yet again. I wonder if call me Dave or Milipede will even glance at your article, much less take any action.

  • There is no place in the world for anti-Semitism. It shouldn’t need to be said but sadly it does and Ms Phillips is right to say it.

    Those of us who oppose unreservedly the Israeli State’s attack on the citizens of Gaza are not opposing the perpetrators because they are Jews. We oppose them because it is State sponsored terrorism. And because it is a wholly disproportionate response to Hamas. And because it will continue the spiral of violence, in other words more innocent people (Israelis as well as Palestinians) will die as a result of Israel’s actions.

    • jjjj

      Thank you for your comments about antisemitism. But what would you do in Israel’s place? Do you let your soldiers be killed because Hamas are using hospitals and schools as places from which to fire rockets and mortars? How would you react if England were faced with such a danger? We do the same thing in Iraq and Afghanistan and so do the Americans. So does Russia. But they are not Jews.

      • kevinlynch1005

        International law clearly states that civilians be given a safe corridor to flee in such circumstances as we see in Gaza. This could even mean accommodating Palestinians temporarily in camps in the Negev desert, in Egypt or in Lebannon while the terrorists are rooted out. This has not happened. As it is, the Palestinians instead have to go to UN schools and hospitals, and are then bombed,including while they sleep. Given the precision of Israeli weaponry, coupled with the failure to adhere to international law about safe passage, such large scale civilian massacres appear to be indicative of an intent to punish a people for the actions of the terrorists in their midst.

        • jjjj

          First, I would like to see a modicum, a scintilla, a soupcon of criticism of Egypt and its behaviour in the media compared to what Israel is on the receiving end of. The fact of the matter is that Hamas is an ally of the Muslim Brotherhood and apart from their antisemitism they hate Egypt too. Why hasn’t Egypt opened the Sinai to allow them to shelter? Second, Hamas WANTS (apologies for caps but it maddens me that people can’t see this) it’s civilians to suffer and die. Now, you could say that Israel shouldn’t play into their hands but it would be Hamas that would shell its people if they dared try and leave Gaza. Next, you say ‘precision of Israeli weaponry’ but you are dealing with a built up, dense area. Are you cognizant of conditions in such an area? Hamas are taking full advantage of this because they know that their salvation lies in the media. They are bankrupt politically and morally. What on earth can they offer their people?

          • kevinlynch1005

            You make some excellent points there. I have always admired the Israelis, having worked with them for almost two decades and been there numerous times – and as such I expect more of them than of some tinpot, islamic arabic dictatorship. But you are right about Hamas and the Egyptians.

          • jjjj

            Thank you. But I’m a bit confused at the two strands emerging from your posts. As I said, I’m on the Left when it comes to the West Bank.

          • Mike

            Egypt know which side its breads buttered. It can sit back stopping Hamas getting into their country whilst letting Israel be the fall guy for lies being spread by the western media.

          • lilly valley

            Truly, your thought processes on here are severely impeded. Your government is made up of child killers. Get it? It isn’t Egypt’s fault, or Hamas or my dog. Unbelievable.

          • jjjj

            My government is that of the UK. You may be a lilly but you stink.

        • Mike

          They have been warned to move from places where Israel will be shelling and as for claims that Israel shelled hospitals and schools, that was Hamas rockets mis firing or deliberately being set off for propaganda value.

          • kevinlynch1005

            You do appreciate the supreme irony of criticising propaganda while in the same breath, making such wild unsupported statements….?

          • Mike

            Which part do you claim is unsupported ?

            (a) That the palestinians were not given plenty of warning to evacuate before Israel came in and destroyed some of the many tunnels built inside their alleged homes that were actually a forward command post for infiltrating into Israel

            or

            (b) That Hamas rockets which are known to be highly unreliable had blown up inside gaza and killed some of their own people.

          • kevinlynch1005

            B. Primarily. Re. A, warnings are somewhat meaningless if you’re just going to shell hospitals and schools anyway, where the people are sheltering (the IDF also advised people to go to the beach at some point a few weeks ago…then didn’t they shell some kids playing soccer there?). If they can’t escape, warnings are meaningless.

          • Wessex Man

            So now the UN Observers and television crews are all liars as well you are truly pathetic.

          • sarah_13

            UNRWA is a compromised organisation. They have 3 times discovered, and stated, that rockets have been placed in schools and hospitals and they have handed those rockets back to hamas. They are mired and compromised and that is a tragedy.

            The UN human rights council has 57 arabs states who vote on block against israel, among them the most egregious human rights violators in the world. Kofi anan disbanded the human rights committee before it because it was being used then, as the human rights council is being used now, as a cover for the states who are the biggest human rights violators. They are vehemently antisemitic and along with some of the marxist anti-american south american states always vote against israel. When the arab states can’t persuade they buy the smaller states to vote with them. Their disprorpotionate focus on israel is a disgrace and is well documented. Many countries did not take up their seats in the human rights committee, including the US, because of this focus. Every focus on israel is focus away from the tragedies going on on a daily basis in virtually every arab state in the world.

            Journalists in gaza are restricted in what they can say. They risk physical harm or worse if they make statements in contradiction of the hamas’s position therefore many are simply not making any statements other than to report one side of the conflict as if israel somehow existed in the abstract without the reasons for their response. Some journalists have left and reported after once out of harms way and they have been tweeted however after the event they are not given publicity. Hamas recently murdered anti-war demonstrators and “collaborators”. No trial, no questions. Hamas have built reinforced tunnels which go under israel in preparation for sending in their militants to murder israeli citizens, not to mention the thousands of rockets a day. Hamas whose charter from day one stated its desire to murder every jew and not rest until their islamist supremacist manifesto is completed.

            Col. Richard Kemp a decorated british colonel as stated that israel teaches us and uk army their practices in relation to protecting civilians. Israel has an obligation to its citizens to defend them. War is horrible, the fact that they are forced to fight in gaza is horrible. As Colonel kemp has stated israeli soldiers have aborted 10’s of missions in order to avoid the inevitable dangers to civilians something british and american military do not do. Israeli soldiers are putting their men at risk in an attempt to minimise civilian casualties. Your answer is for israel to stop in spite of the rockets, inspite of the chaos to its people, in spite of the prospect of complete indiscriminate deaths, in spite of the prospect of terrorists, who have built tunnels under israel, huge reinforced million dollar tunnels, tunnels dedicated to murde, in spite of all this and more and give hamas, a bunch of supremacists terrorists what they want; A democratic state without the ability to defend its people. That is no answer at all.

          • lilly valley

            Do you work directly for the Israeli government? Well, at least you must be beginning to feel ashamed or worried about your public image. I have never read such propaganda.. an answer for everything. Amazing: the UN is anti-semitic (yes, them, too) and journalists are afraid of Hamas so they don’t tell the truth. Clever editing, the really bad rockets fired by Hamas…just give it a rest, will you? You are razing Gaza to the ground because you want to and because you can. Because the US pays for everything.

          • sarah_13

            Shame madame is something you should feel. No I do not I am a mother who is concerned about a world where scared dishonest uninformed individuals support Islamist sunni supremacists because its easier to appease the easy answers than deal with the very difficult and complex reality we all face and Israel is facing at present. I also as good practice inform myself of the facts.

            Look at the United Nations Human Rights Council. Kofi Annan disbanded it a few years ago because there are a block of 57 islamic states who constantly vote against israel. States like Libya, Syria, and other bastions of liberty and human rights. He believed they were using the then Committee to give them a veneer of respectability. The US did not take up its seat for years because of this. It is now call the UNHR Committee and it has ignored hundreds of thousands of deaths around the world and disproportionately focuses on Israel.

            Your passion is misplaced and dangerous. You prefer to believe the worst of a liberal democracy and take the side of other despicable regimes I believe you should question the reality of your position. ISIS, Hamas’s sunni supremacist brothers and slaughtering their way across Iraq as we speak, hundreds of thousands of people are deliberately killed. No attempt at avoidance of casualties no attempt at treating the wounded. As Colonel Richard Kemp a decorated British commander said “The IDF did more the protect the rights of civilians than any army in the history of warfare”. Yet you prefer to take the word of Hamas a terrorist organisation who since they seized power in the only elections every held in gaza have caused chaos and mayhem in gaza. The israelis left agricultural businesses when they were dragged out and what did Hamas do destroy them all. Palestinians deserve real leadership but Israel has the obligation to protect its people from tunnels dug under their territory and rocket attacks. We would demand the same or would you simply accept that. I know I would not.

          • sarah_13

            UNRWA is a compromised organisation. They have 3 times discovered, and stated, that rockets have been placed in schools and hospitals and they have handed those rockets back to hamas. They are mired and compromised and that is a tragedy.

            The UN human rights council has 57 arabs states who vote on block against israel, among them the most egregious human rights violators in the world. Kofi anan disbanded the human rights committee before it because it was being used then, as the human rights council is being used now, as a cover for the states who are the biggest human rights violators. They are vehemently antisemitic and along with some of the marxist anti-american south american states always vote against israel. When the arab states can’t persuade they buy the smaller states to vote with them. Their disprorpotionate focus on israel is a disgrace and is well documented. Many countries did not take up their seats in the human rights committee, including the US, because of this focus. Every focus on israel is focus away from the tragedies going on on a daily basis in virtually every arab state in the world.

            Journalists in gaza are restricted in what they can say. They risk physical harm or worse if they make statements in contradiction of the hamas’s position therefore many are simply not making any statements other than to report one side of the conflict as if israel somehow existed in the abstract without the reasons for their response. Some journalists have left and reported after once out of harms way and they have been tweeted however after the event they are not given publicity. Hamas recently murdered anti-war demonstrators and “collaborators”. No trial, no questions. Hamas have built reinforced tunnels which go under israel in preparation for sending in their militants to murder israeli citizens, not to mention the thousands of rockets a day. Hamas whose charter from day one stated its desire to murder every jew and not rest until their islamist supremacist manifesto is completed.

            Col. Richard Kemp a decorated british colonel as stated that israel teaches us and uk army their practices in relation to protecting civilians. Israel has an obligation to its citizens to defend them. War is horrible, the fact that they are forced to fight in gaza is horrible. As Colonel kemp has stated israeli soldiers have aborted 10’s of missions in order to avoid the inevitable dangers to civilians something british and american military do not do. Israeli soldiers are putting their men at risk in an attempt to minimise civilian casualties. Your answer is for israel to stop in spite of the rockets, inspite of the chaos to its people, in spite of the prospect of complete indiscriminate deaths, in spite of the prospect of terrorists, who have built tunnels under israel, huge reinforced million dollar tunnels, tunnels dedicated to murde, in spite of all this and more and give hamas, a bunch of supremacists terrorists what they want; A democratic state without the ability to defend its people. That is no answer at all.

          • Mike

            They don’t have to lie to put a spin on whats going on to make a biased political point.

            We know the UN is only concerned about deaths caused by Israel fighting back but where are they over Iraq, Libya & Syria ? I think I hear a deathly silence on that one.

            As for TV crews, they can be told what to video or not and then the left wing news editors can cut and paste video shots to send any message they like, again for political motives.

            Your quite right, they aren’t liars but they can sure distort the truth by graphic means.

        • sarah_13

          You sir are wrong. Israel firstly has not been given the opportunity to explain what happened so your presumption that you have all the evidence before you to make a judgment is unhelpful. What we do know is the IDF has given warnings of several kinds broadcast in arabic and telling the gazans to leave their area and move to other parts of gaza that were not part of the operation but these warnings have been directly countered by Hamas telling their people to remain where they are. All this information is gathered showing hamas broadcasts countering israeli warnings. Hamas is using its people as part of their PR war. As Col Richard Kemp said re operation cast lead “The IDF has done more to protect the civilians in war than any other army in the history of warfare.” Ask US commanders and the president of US who use drone attacks, ask UK commanders they now use israeli methods in warfare to protect civilians.

          Israel is in an invidious position but denying them the right to defend themselves means you enable the terrorists to continue with no way to defend against them. Asymetiric warfare does not mean asymmetric morality. Hamas is committing a warcrime every time it sends a rocket indiscriminately into israel. Israelis according to you should stop responding and wait for the Hamas to use the tunnels they have spent years building, with funds from the EU meant to build infrastructure for their people, to come into israelis homes and murder them in cold blood and have no way to avoid or defend until it is too late. If israel had wanted to indiscriminately kill palestinians they have the capability to do so the fact that they have killed so few in relation to the number of sorties and bombs, tragic as the awful loss is , shows they are not just killing indiscriminately. Richard Kemp has explained fully that considering the number of missions and bombs israel is using one would expect to see many more deaths. The situation in gaza is hell and it is a hell of Hama’s making.

          Hamas shot anti-war protesters yesterday and murdered “collaborators”. This is daily life in gaza. The journalists who are in gaza are not free to report any criticism of hamas yet in israel they are free to do so. Those who support hamas are part of the problem and denying israel its legitimate right to defend itself buts all of us in danger because terrorism will be more prevalent in the future both in the west and throughout the middle east. Those who defend hamas, who provide one side of the situation as if israel exists in a vacuum are unhelpful and are assisting islamists who care nothing for the rights of their people and less for the useful people who defend their barbaric and obscene cause.

          • Wessex Man

            You see absolutely nothin wrong ion your statement…..that’s really alarming.

          • RoMo

            Why? Tell us why you think it is alarming.

          • Wessex Man

            if you need the wrongs in that statement you are beyond the reason.

          • sarah_13

            Apologies but no, perhaps you can help?

          • lilly valley

            The Israeli government is filled with deranged child killers. How dare you even try to suggest that they think about death or life when they fire those rockets.

          • sarah_13

            Because what you are saying is simply untrue. Israel is a liberal democracy fighting islamist supremacists who don’t even allow gaza women to ride bicycles, they use funds from the EU and qatar to pay gazans to become suicide bombers and inculcate hatred into their children and use their children as human shields. The PA representative has confirmed the firing of indiscriminate rockets into civilian population is a war crime by Hamas their intent is unambiguous and yet you persist with your revolutionary tourism supporting those who are fighting Israel and causing this horrible conflict. Read Hamas’s charter its murderous intent is explicit there is no doubt as to its intent it is a disgrace and any decent person should repudiate it without a second thought. These are the people in charge of gaza. People who having intimidated their way to power murdered the fatah opposition by throwing them off buildings. They torture and intimidate their people into submission.

            Israel is country whose technology protects british troops in action is at the forefront of medical care in the world yet as a sign of your derangement you prefer to believe they are the psychopaths. Israel is devasted at this horrible war. The statistics coming out of hamas at present and the limited access the journalists have are all fighting the PR war for Hamas. Just like after the last war the deaths were confirmed as stated by israel so this will by the case. The deaths of children are horrific but are NOT a policy of israel far from it. As British Commanders, they learn practices to defend civilians FROM israel not the other way around. Listen to hamas speakers, listen to what they say the bloodcurdling words they use then think about your position. Better still look objectively at this.

        • Damaris Tighe

          I wonder why you didn’t advocate evacuating the civilians into Egypt, which also abuts Gaza, once owned Gaza, & speaks the same language as the Gazans? An agenda perhaps?

          • Wessex Man

            Dear lord, hold on a mniute can you just pop off to Ireland for a few days, I want to raze your place to the ground!

          • Damaris Tighe

            It wasn’t my suggestion Wessex Man – I was replying to a suggestion from an anti-Israel poster that the population be moved! READ before you get emotional!

            PS – before you jump on me again, I do NOT advocate moving the Gazans.

    • Mike

      If you have a guaranteed solution to stopping Hamas firing rockets and tunneling into Israel to commit terrorist acts, lets hear it. Else, what other option does Israel have, its not some computer war game where no one gets hurt.

    • statechaos

      If a terrorist group had dug tunnels under the English Channel through which militants would attempt to attack and kill our people, would you expect our government to do nothing? Gaza is one of the most densely populated areas in the world, with a high birth rate, which makes it difficult for Israel to defend itself without civilian casualties. Hamas continues to fire rockets into Israel. Hamas have it in their power to end this bloodshed but they hate the Israelis more than they love their own people.

    • Liza Jones

      Disproportionate is a badly understood concept, and yours falls into that category. If Israel had very little to gain by attacking Hamas, then that would qualify as a disproportionate response. Since Israel has much to gain— her survival economically and safety and peace for her citizens—then Israel’s response is proportional under the legal definition of this concept. The carpet bombing of Dresden at the end of the war was arguably not proportional given that the single goal was to destroy the morale of Germans and hasten the end of the war. Same with Nagasaki and Hiroshima. But, as I said arguable given that a quick end to the war would mitigate allied deaths and reduce war costs.

      • “Since Israel has much to gain— her survival economically and safety and peace for her citizens—then Israel’s response is proportional under the legal definition of this concept.”

        Israel is a Nuclear Power with huge and well-equipped armed forces and an ally in the United States who would always defend her. The country’s survival is emphatically not at risk in any way. Yes Hamas is an ongoing threat and Israel has a right to defend herself and this may legitimately include some preemptive strikes into Gaza. But the scale of the operation underway is in no way proportionate. It is also wholly unpragmatic. The only way peace can come is through negotiation. The more civilians that are killed and the more intense the horror the less likely peace will be. You just don’t beat guerrilla forces with sheer force of arms. They always regroup and come back at you eventually.

        • Liza Jones

          Being a nuclear power is a far cry from insuring survival in a region where others are developing nuclear power. How can you say Israel’s survival is not at risk when her defense is already being challenged by powerful voices in the US and where anti-Semitism in Europe is gaining momentum and pressuring countries to call for deligitimizing Israel? When you factor in the threats posed by other anti-Israeli Arab nations and their pan-Islamist agenda, then Israel’s ability to survive and prosper are very much at stake. How many times would it take for flights to Israel to be cancelled before Israel’s economy would feel the effects? How much traction gained by the BDS movement would add to this economic loss? If by survival you mean Israel’s disintegration to a third world economy, then maybe.

  • steve314

    The fundamental problem lies in treating individual people as representative of tribes. When a Jewish person in Britain is attacked because of the supposed crimes of the government of Israel, the one thing we should not do is to characterize it as an attack on Judaism or Zionism. This is precisely what the attacker wants. It is not. It is a wholly unjustified attack on an individual person who is neither a victim nor an aggressor in the conflicts of the middle east.

    Individual people are responsible for their own words and actions, not for the words or actions of other individual people.

  • Peter Stroud

    Melanie Phillips says what needs to be said. But It would help if MSM, especially BBC and Sky news broadcasts took a less anti Israel, pro Palestine stance.

    • Mike

      The BBC & Sky reporting is actually anti-semitic in general tone but by careful choice of phrasing they get away with it but it still labels them as racists and bigots.

      • Damaris Tighe

        If racism includes incitement (& people can get banged up for that) then the BBC & Sky are racist.

        • Mike

          Unfortunately it will never happen.

      • davidr

        What rubbish.

        Now we’re back to that word again. S.E.M.I.T.E.

        In linguistics and ethnology, Semitic (from the Biblical “Shem”, Hebrew: שם‎, translated as “name”) was first used to refer to a language family of West Asian origin, now called the Semitic languages. This family includes the ancient and modern forms of Ahlamu, Akkadian(Assyrian-Babylonian), Amharic, Ammonite, Amorite, Arabic, Aramaic/Syriac, Canaanite (Phoenician/Carthaginian/Hebrew), Chaldean,Eblaite, Edomite, Ge’ez, Maltese, Mandaic, Moabite, Sutean, Tigre and Tigrinya, and Ugaritic, among others.

        As language studies are interwoven with cultural studies, the term also came to describe the extended cultures and ethnicities, as well as the history of these varied peoples as associated by close geographic and linguistic distribution. Today, the word “Semite” may be used to refer to any member of any of a number of peoples of ancient Southwestern Asia descent including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews (Jews), Arabs, and their descendants

  • mikeNZ

    Now lets not forget Cameron and his partners fund terrorism against the Israeli people, with their funding “humanitarian aid” that they know frees up other monies they have for weapons and terrorism.
    That’s what Miliband and Cameron do and they know that they do it, it’s been said before.
    As a British citizen I am disgusted by their deceitfulness & duplicity and want them gone.

  • Thinker

    Melanie Philips writes with venom and hatred of non-Jews. It looks like she is guided by the now-infamous leaked report, advising Israeli politicians and journalists how to field questions about Israel’s actions and how to twist the truth to their advantage.

    She should remember that the state of Israel came into being because of Zionist terrorism – UK has never had an obligation to provide Jews with their own state, but gave in after terrorist bombing attacks (don’t forget the bombing and destruction of the British Embassy in Rome, in Villa Bracciano) and having had mandate in Palestine, gave Palestinian land to Jewish terrorists. Claiming historic and spiritual rights to land after 2,000 years is a bit too much,

    Perhaps she should read what an Israeli writer, Mira Bar Hilliel of the Independent has to say – a totally different approach.

    As for the rise of anti-semitism, Melanie Phillips should ask herself, WHY precisely antisemitism exists, because it is true that not one other racial or religious group of people has been singled out for such treatment. There has to be a reason. Take away that reason and antisemitism will disappear.

    • jjjj

      Your post could have been written by Goebbels. Are you saying that Antisemitism came about because of Gaza? You are not a thinker but a spotty little kid in his mother’s basement pleasuring himself in front of a poster of Hitler.

      • sarah_13

        Yes he is. It’s easier to blame the jews for the nastiness that exists than face the prospect that the world is full of horrible hatefilled fools. It makes some people feel more comfortable. It insulates them from real life and the uncertainties we all live with. It is a cowards shelter and unfortunately is becoming more common to hear this kind of nonsense.

    • Mike

      Yawn, big yawn, if you want to discuss history lets discuss it properly.

      In 1947 the UN mandated that Israel and Palestine could become two states in the area defined and agreed by all parties and guaranteed by international law.

      So much for that when Islam is involved as in 1948 the Arab militia not happy with the resolution started fighting Israel. Israel prevailed and in 1949 signed a peace accord with Egypt, Lebanon, Syria and Jordan. During the 50’s, Israel suffered from terrorists coming over their border to kill civilians as is happening right now from Hamas.

      The antisemitism that exists is all one sided due to the stated aims of Islamofascists to destroy Israel as a state, remove the Islamofascists and the problem will go away. Hamas is the problem and whilst they remain in Gaza, the palestinian people will suffer due to their killing of Jews.

      Lets try a little analogy your pea brain might understand –

      If you lived in the east end of London during the Krays rein of criminal activities, you might be pissed off because plod was raiding the area all the time due to their criminal activities. If you’re an intelligent, right thinking law abiding citizen, would you blame the police or the Krays for bringing this down on you. Gaza is no different and until Hamas are crushed, civilians in Gaza will suffer when the ‘police’ go in to try and remove munitions and terrorists that are causing the problem.

    • MissDemeanor

      ‘antisemitism will disappear’

      LMAO, pricelss

      jew haters like you will always find a reason

    • Jackthesmilingblack

      Right on. The question that the Jews never seem to ask themselves is, “Why are we so unpopular?” Hated down through the centuries. Well, arriving as pitiful refugees and within three generations literally owning and running the place might just have something to do with it.

      • Damaris Tighe

        You comment on an article on antisemitism by demonstrating that you are indeed antisemitic.

      • JB_1966

        Oh I see! They “have it coming” do they? No, I don’t think so.

  • zanzamander

    Expansion of Islam in Europe has allowed antisemitism to go mainstream. Worryingly today nobody would flinches at the sight of visiting Israeli footballers being kicked by Muslim spectators on football pitches or musicians shouted down. Attacks on Jews, their places of worship and businesses once again are tolerated and going unpunished.

    Is this how things started in beer halls of Munich c1930?

    • JB_1966

      Yes pretty much and when the Islamists have finished with the Jews then they will move down their list to other targets.

      • jjjj

        I can’t believe that zanamander’s post is in moderation. But then, what do you expect from a magazine that publishes Taki,

        • zanzamander

          There is nothing I have said that cannot be borne out by facts.

          I have not insulted or incited anyone nor used foul language.

          It appears that if only we all bury our heads in sand, ignore rampantly increasing antisemitism, avoid saying home truths and wait out a few years, that everything will be alright.

          Nice moderation policy.

        • Baron

          You’ll find,jjjj, the new breed of the defenders of free speech ‘moderate’ out everything that hits at the heart of the matter, fits not in their take on things, plain truths pain them.

          • jjjj

            Indeed. In the meantime they allow the most disgusting comments about Israel to remain. But I don’t mourn this. It just brings more clarity and focus.

      • Damaris Tighe

        “First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people” – although it’s happening in parallel at the moment.

  • sarahsmith232

    Haven’t finished reading, got to get going but need to just comment on this one before I do. –
    What on earth, and in any way that can be described as logical, is supposed to be a ‘historic right’???
    Maybe I need to read on and she’ll explain but it seems to me that the only kind of a ‘historic’ set of rights that any Jew can try to claim over that landmass could only have been accrued since the 1890s onwards, not a single one of which means that any of their actions since the creation of their Jewish State if morally, ethically or in any way else, justified.
    Is this very intelligent female is trying to say that their ‘historic rights’ are there for them to be enjoyed because it says so in their Bible? A claim that you hear some of their more wild eyed fanatics proclaim. Is that her why she believes there is such a thing as Jewish rights that trump Palestinian rights?
    Claptrap, and obviously.

    • Mike

      Check your facts, the UN gave them borders in 1947 that International laws upheld.

      • sarahsmith232

        I think you’ll find their currant borders have expanded a bit since ’47.
        Can’t be bothered to do a quick history check but the U.N was basically the U.S then. From the point of view of the Muslims this was only the fortifying of the Western Imperialist victors demands for the world to bend to their will. So didely squats legitimacy. It’s no use you writing about international laws when those laws are only foreigners aggressively imposing their will on a subject peoples. (BTW – ever found yourself railing against the Human Rights Act or the latest claptrap issued from Brussels? Then ask yourself – just exactly how much can we expect Arabs to take any notice of borders dictated by the victors, then mandated by their foreign laws)

        • Mike

          Like Africa, there were very little in the way of borders in the Middle East before colonial power got involved and consequently, very few Arab can lay claim to any border until the 20th century.

          Skipping all the irelevant rhetoric its when we get to the schools in Birmigham and elsewhere it gets nasty. Have you any conception of what would happen to a teacher in a Saudi school if he/she preached the sort of racists hate to their kids to what we’ve seen in Schools run by the UK arm of the Islamic Jihad against Christians. Thats what I find disgusting and offensive, brain washing young children into wannabee jihadists !

    • Damaris Tighe

      Have to (partly) agree with you here sarah. Israel is the national self-determination of the Jewish people. Leave religion out of it. (surprised at Melanie!) Having said that, Jews have lived in the ‘Holy Land’ continuously for around 3000 years. Some never left. Jewish archaelogical remains lie under almost every hillock. What happened in 1948 was a UN partition between Jews & Arabs. Like the former Yugoslavia. Like much of Europe after 1918. Even today Germany has a ‘law of return’ for Germans living outside Germany.

      • sarahsmith232

        Oh my good Lordy, so just read the whole thing, wow, ok, I think she seems to be losing it. She believes the gov’ should make this ludicrously pro-Israel propaganda mandatory in all school history lessons –
        ‘the history of the Jewish people and its eternal connection to the land of Israel. I acknowledge that colonial Britain’s betrayal of its legal obligation to settle the Jews in their historic homeland and its appeasement of their Arab persecutors lie at the core of the Middle East conflict and stoked the Jew-hatred we now see erupting again’
        My God almighty! I mean what???!!!! She is actually, in all seriousness, demanding that we English should be conditioning our kids to believe that we are historically to blame for the conflicts which are raging across the ME. That we should be teaching our kids that we should be prostrate in front of them, their racist, anti-Semitic, ignorant inferiors. Apologising profusely for our ingrained ignorance, ashamed and made aware of our innate inferiority.
        And sure enough, she did go on to show that what she was meaning when she was writing about their ‘historic rights’ means that she believes their 3,000yr history gives them superior rights.
        Well, i’m a white English person, so my families ‘historical rights’ over this particular landmass trumps a Jews (using her logic, historical rights get to trump the incomers) So using my historically more righteous point of view I could respond with – go and **** yourself you deranged, unhinged, pathetic lunatic.
        I tell you what, minorities can never really properly integrate. She’s not speaking as a British person. She wants to see English kids become ashamed of our history because she doesn’t see herself as one of us. She’s first and foremost a Jew. If that identity is in conflict with her British one then that ceases to exist. Brits instantly become the separate from her enemy oppressor, that must be battled against due to their ignorance and racism. Anyone that’s naïve enough to believe Muslims will ever fully integrate wants to read her derangement. But there isn’t anyone that will reduce immigration. Nightmare, everywhere!

        • lilly valley

          Excellent comment. This is the most ludicrous Phillips article ever. She has totally lost it.

  • Dr.Chris Burns-Cox

    I assume the Editor has his tongue in his cheek when publishing the hasbara propaganda of Ms Philips diatribe against all of humanity excepting pro-Zionist Jews.
    It is obvious that the Zionist apartheid state cannot endure and indeed Jews of the world are rapidly giving up on it . It is shameful she could not even try to discuss why the Palestinians rebel and why only force can bring Israel to face reality.
    Would she like to tell us what the Gazans should do in response to the ruthless and illegal force of US and UK backed IDF military might. Doe she believe, unlike many Israeli politicians that Palestinians are really human beings – individually equal in value to humans elsewhere?

    • jjjj

      The Zionist state of Israel will endure long after you and your ilk are gone. Palestinians are human beings but their leaders and their enablers are devoid of any hummanity.

      • First L

        When Israelis start cheering and celebrating the death of children, it is they who have lost their humanity.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7qFACSfd_k

        • jjjj

          Yes, I saw the video and those people are scum.

    • sarah_13

      Nothing is “obvious, far from it. Israel is not an apartheid state and just saying it doesn’t make it so. Apartheid exists throughout the islamic world but not in israel. Gaza was emptied of jews in 2005 and they chose , in the only election they have ever , hamas whose charter makes clear their intentions from day one. Ask our military what we would do in response to thousands of rockets and tunnels into our territory. The IDF seem to care more about the gazans than Hamas, hamas are underground in tunnels whilst ordinary gazans are told to stay above ground and ignore israeli warnings. Israelis first responsibility is to its people as would be the same for the UK.

      Hamas shot anti-war protesters yesterday and shot “collaborators”, they are responsible for the devastation in gaza and whilst their people suffer their leader is gorging himself in Qatar. Hamas are the antithesis of everything decent people should support. Gaza’s problem is hamas as those who are not sympathetic to islamism understand.

  • gerronwithit

    In a mad, mad world of anti-civilisation leftism Melanie is a consistent articulator of rational common sense.

  • Guest

    Europe’s immigrants, Europe’s politicians and Europe’s MSM have shown in the last 3 weeks why the existence of Israel is non negotiable.
    The open and proud display of antisemitism all over european capitals and town has been shocking and saddening to watch, but hardly surprising.
    Surprising was only the weak and appeasing politician’s responses and the trivialisation by the press, as if it is acceptable to run around european squares and scream ‘jews to the gas’ or ‘Israeli babykillers’. What’s next, burning flags and attacking embassies, like these savages do in their own cesspits?
    I wonder what would happen if somebody stood on a european square screaming and chanting ‘Mohammed pedophile’ which other ‘protestors’ cheering and clapping.

    Europe is finished. When they burned and gassed their jews, they burned and gassed their own culture, and sense of what’s right and what’s wrong. They killed 6 Mio EUROPEANS, and replaced them with 20 Million Mohammedans. And some blame the jews for even that!

    Bye bye Europe, it was nice knowing you, but I know you will never protect me or my children, so I’m out of here. Good Luck with your imports.

    • Damaris Tighe

      Great post.

    • Bonkim

      You don’t appear to be an intelligent Jew if you are one. Jews are supposed to be highly intelligent, have contributed much to human development and civilization but reading some of the bigoted posts on this site – see no difference between pro-Israelis and Hamas – who are congenital Jew haters and bigots. Hamas is pure idiot – now pro-Israelis appear to be contaminated by their exposure to them.

      • Guest

        don’t worry

        you’ll be beheaded last

        • global city

          only because he will be hiding

      • John Kinory

        Bigoted nonsense.

    • Cheradenine

      How about taking some moral responsibility for the fact that it was you Jews who pushed immigration and diversity upon us? Acknowledge that every time a European stood up and said the mass immigration of third-world peoples wasn’t a good idea, there was a Jew waiting to play the Hitler card against him. You Jews lobbied for and got criminal restrictions on free speech that now prevent any European speaking candidly about the disaster Muslim immigrants are inflicting on our continent. And now do you stick around to live with the disaster you created? No, you f**k off back to Israel or over the pond to America while we are left with the countries you helped destroy.

      • TimboX

        Who is you Jews? Multiculturalism was forced onto Britain by the left and the EU. My impression is that Jews tend to be conservative, capitalist and capable, which is why the left demonises them. It would seem more appropriate to direct your anger at the left wing rather than the jews.

        • Cheradenine

          Sorry, but that just isn’t true. Mass immigration from the third world started long before Britain joined the EU. What has followed since then is just the snowball effect.

          Jews are overwhelmingly left-wing. In an earlier age, their involvement in Communism was vastly disproportionate, just as it is vastly disproportionate in the “diversity and immigration” movement now.

          It was Jewish lobbying that brought about the Race Relations Act in 1965, passed by the Jewish Home Secretary Frank Soskice after consultation with the Board of Deputies. This created the Incitement to Racial Hatred offence, which was the beginning of the end of free speech in Britain.

          • John Kinory

            While peddling the usual ‘you Jews’ classic libels, you seem to have forgotten ‘you Jews bake children’s blood in Matzos’.

          • Cheradenine

            Thank you for confirming my impression that you Jews are no more capable of acknowledging fault than the Muslims are. The more I think about it, the more I perceive the similarities between you.

            Have a good Aliyah.

          • alexa44

            WE in Israel do thank you for making more and more Jews come to Israe .

          • Stafford_Lou

            “the Race Relations Act in 1965, passed by the Jewish Home Secretary Frank Soskice ”

            Well, what do you know. A Jewish politician can outvote all the others. Old Frank Soskice passed this act all by himself, clever old thing! No gentile politician had any say in the matter whatsoever.

            “Jews are overwhelmingly left-wing” – yet another remarkable ‘fact’. You watched them all vote did you? Ken Livingstone blamed the Jews for his losing the London mayoral election. I don’t think he thought they all voted Labour.

            You make wide sweeping statements based on prejudice and presumption. Jews have been active in all political parties including UKIP. Immigration has been encouraged by all parties since the 1950’s as has been the case in many European countries where there are few Jews.

            In Britain there are but 260,000 Jews. If you are saying they run whatever Government is in office, then presumably the rest don’t deserve to be in any position of influence whatsoever.

          • Bob339

            You are right in what you say.Ignore the jewbots.

        • JohnIIISobieski

          80 % of them voted for Barack Obama. Not really considered a left winger.

          • TimboX

            I don’t have any statistics for the UK I’m afraid. As I said it was only my impression.

      • John Kinory

        Bravo for the most bigoted, ignorant and stupidest post on this thread.

      • alexa44

        How lucky for you that you can blame the Jews for everything bad in your life.

      • Liza Jones

        Wow! So, you are blaming the Jews for all the Third World immigrants who now suck off the teat of Mother England. That’s rich! England’s imperialist history didn’t play a teeny-weeny part?

    • tolpuddle1

      Er, it was very largely the Europeans who died fighting Hitler’s Reich. Would you have preferred them not to ? Show some gratitude that all 3/3 of the Jewish people didn’t die in the Shoah – thanks mainly to the wicked Europeans who fought Hitler !

      BTW, it is Capitalism that has imported millions of Moslems into Europe. Will we be seeing you on the next Anti-Capitalist Bash ?

      • mohdanga

        Umm, big difference between the English of 70 years ago and the Muslim appeasers of today.

        • tolpuddle1

          Are you spouting the lie that anyone not 100% behind hard-line Israeli policies is “appeasing” Islam ?

          We heard much the same over Iraq and Afghanistan.

          But there is a decline from Britain in the Forties to today’s Britain – seventy years of Capitalism have seen to that.

    • Bob339

      Bye, then. Send us a postcard from Canada

  • Thinker

    To jjjj
    I have read all your posts and you appear to be hysterical.

    Are you denying the Zionist terrorism acts that led to the “creation” of Israel? Those are historical facts.

    As for your silly outburst to me, about antisemitism, – that’s not what I said. The level of antisemitisms has increased because of Israel’s refusal to allow the Palestinians to have their own state and compensate them for lost land and homes.

    Antisemitism has existed for thousands of years and it is for all Jews and their leaders to ask themselves a soul-searching question “Why? Why us?”
    I don’t know the answer but maybe you do.
    Cause and effect, remember.

    • Wessex Man

      I was going to give you an up tick then raed your last paragraph and you are as bad as him.

      • Damaris Tighe

        Thanks Wessex Man. There are several comments like that on this page. Terrifying.

  • Callan

    Melanie Phillips is as forthright and persuasive as ever. Cameron in particular should read her article, reflect and learn something. I can’t help feeling that the failure of both he and Miliband to condemn the atrocities against Jews and Christians in the Middle East is because Jews and Christians are now outnumbered in the U.K. and a larger block of voters in Londonistan, Bradford and elsewhere must not be antagonised.

    • Wessex Man

      You are lunatics much like Melanie Phillips who was sacked by the Daily Mail for her extremism. She rants you rant, she seeks to equate the Murderous attack on Gaza which has caused over 1,800 deaths mostly women and children, how many people have died as a result of the equally mad Hamas Rocketeers?

      Most of you will come back at me ranting that I must be a apologist for Moslem Murderers, I’m nothing of the sort, I’m merely horrified by the casual attitude to the deaths caused by Israeli armed forces. In the last few days we’ve seen two schools and one Hospital attacked and denied by the Israelis despite UN staed observations that it was Israeli. There were no Rocketeers in any of those buildings.

      To point out that what Israel is doing is wrong and not anti jewish as you all would protray it. People like myself, Bonkin and Des Demona are allowed in this country to have differing views from you. The fact you feel that you should rant at us says more about you than any of us could express!

      • global city

        It is not a casual attitude to the deaths of children and women. Israel has not decided to take action in order to causally kill women and children, just as we did not bomb German cities in order to kill women and children.

        The Nazis built shelters for their women and children.

        • First L

          The women and children were in a UN shelter. The Israelis shelled it and killed dozens.

          Then they cheered about it.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7qFACSfd_k

          Not the actions of a civilised people.

          • global city

            I am not suggesting that the tragedy happened. I would also not try to say that children have not been killed by Israeli action.

            I WOULD suggest however that many of these events will have been perpetrated by Hamas, so that gullible heart like yourself will turn even more hatefully against the Jew? I have no doubt that Hamas have bombed UN sanctuaries and many of their own schools and hospitals. Who gains most from those things?

            Remember all the ululating fools on 9/11?

          • First L

            Hamas have not touched a single UN sanctuary. Hamas have not bombed their own schools or hospitals.

            Israel has done these things, this is recorded fact, the UN is currently indicting Israel for these crimes. Don’t pretend this isn’t happening or that it’s all the fault of Hamas. It isn’t. Israel doesn’t give a fuck about the Palestinians and would happily bomb them back into the stone age.

          • global city

            If your last statement was true then they would have done it. They could do it in 20 minutes… without a single shot being fired or a single Jew being killed.

            As for the rest, you are a dolt and a mug. I never said that Hamas did all of these attacks, just the media friendly ones.

          • TimboX

            Either you are misinformed, or purposefully misleading. Hamas rockets sometimes don’t make it Israel and blow in Gaza killing Palestinians, but I guess you don’t really ‘give a fuck about the Palestinians’ either.

          • alexa44

            Lie. 3 Israel soldiers were killed while entering a UNraw clinic who was booby traped., a clinic that also had inside an enterance to a tunnel

          • alexa44

            Head of Unraw in Gaza 2006-2011 Hamas are shooting at Israel from Unraw facilities

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvaZ1a9wW3Y

        • Damaris Tighe

          Ever felt like giving up?

          • global city

            you know that if you ever manage to convince one loon or bigot there is another one being formed each and every day!

            The irony is that I haven’t even got a dog in that particular fight.

          • Damaris Tighe

            It’s getting worse every day. There’s something very very nasty welling up – even seemingly decent people are saying ‘jews’ not ‘israelis’, ‘they…’ etc. I’ve been taken by surprise – didn’t know this existed.

          • global city

            Yes. They need their heads banging against a wall…. preferably that on in Israel that stops all the suicide bombers from killing infants and women who are obviously really IDF.

          • TimboX

            It’s important that good people speak out. If they didn’t then this rampant Israelophoba (I’m trade marking this word!) and anti-Semitism would become increasingly more vitriolic.

            Even though I’m not religious, I thank God that I attended a CoE school, where we had an assembly about the ‘They came for me…’ poem. That stayed with me all my life and which is why it is so important to fight left wing fascism.

          • Damaris Tighe

            “israelophobia” – great idea.

          • lilly valley

            Well, people didn’t know until now how depraved the Israeli government is. So we have all learned something. Genocidal mania doesn’t go down well, especially when Jews or Zionists (or whatever they want to be called) clap and cheer and sing songs.

          • Damaris Tighe

            Do you really think that if it’d been possible in 1944 to televise the bombing of German cities in real time that some Britis wouldn’t have cheered over their pints?

            Would you have held these Brits as representative of the British nation & ignored the ‘conchies’ as you’ve ignored the Israeli peace demos?

            Why are some crass & callous nutters more representive of Israel than the peaceniks? Why do you see one but not the other?

            Let’s put it another way. Why do you not notice that many Palestinians celebrate the deaths of Israeli & 9/11 terror victims by handing out sweets? (This is a well-known. Google ‘Palestinians hand out sweets’ for videos.) Do you therefore conclude that all Palestinians aren’t worthy of sympathy & respect?

            Not to mention the sleight of hand by which you wonder whether “Jews’ or Zionists (or whatever they want be called)” did this. Would you suggest ‘bl*cks or afro-carr*beans (or whatever they want to be called) are natural mug*ers? Maybe you do …

          • sarah_13

            “especially when jews or zionists or whatever they want to be called” perhaps you should educate yourself on the difference, if indeed you care. Shame on you. Also you might stop bandying words you don’t understand around and look to Syria for what genocide looks like and the Charter of Hamas for clear genocidal intent.

      • Damaris Tighe

        If she was sacked by the Mail why is she at the relatively staid Times?

      • TimboX

        If she was sacked from the DM and went to the Times, well good for her. That is a major step up!

      • John Kinory

        Ah, swallowed the lies hook line and sinker.
        “mostly women and children” is a LIE. Look at the distribution by age and gender: notice a nice big spike at “18-28 year old men”?

  • Wow the article has been written in the future! 2 August 2014

  • Damaris Tighe

    Dream on Melanie, Cameron et al will never say what you propose because of our now huge Muslim population. Just as the lack of Jewish body bags in Israel is given as a reason for Israel to roll over in the face of missile attacks, so the tiny population of British Jews compared with the Muslim population means they will be given no consideration. Size does indeed matter.

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    There may well be significant differences between the Nazis and Israel, but Gaza is a shoo in for the Warsaw Ghetto.

    • RoMo

      Just for your elucidation, let me tell you a little bit about the Warsaw Ghetto. Between the 22nd July and 3 October 1942, 310,322 Jews were deported to Treblinka. They were all killed. The round-ups continued apace. From what was about a population of 500,000 Jews in Warsaw at the beginning of the War, a few dozen remained after the Warsaw Uprising. Starvation was rampant and a unique and seminal piece of research was conducted (by Jewish doctors) on the effects of starvation on a population. Because, of course, these Jewish doctors were actual participants. Your conflation of the Warsaw Ghetto and Gaza is sickening. Educate yourself before you commit such libels.

      • Wessex Man

        Your reply is truly shaming, I suppose that you will say now that the TV broadcasts showing entire areas of Gaza are doctored.

      • Damaris Tighe

        Well said.

  • Ilya Grushevskiy

    Well the racism is bad (Anyone shouting “down with the Jews” should be shouting “down with the Knesset” imo), but I think it stems from the fact the hypocrisy of Israel calling itself a peaceful loving, benevolent state, and then acting the way it does…

    David Ben-Gurion’s belief that Israel would serve as a ‘Light Unto the Nations’ of the world, and lead them out of war etc. is soooo far off target right now, no wonder people are angry!

    What Israel claims to want to be as a state (Netanyahu has used that term too), what it aspires to be, and what it is are so completely disconnected, so completely unrelated that it’s hard to see anything other than fascism flowing out of the Knesset. (and don’t tell me “their region is dangerous, and the situation isn’t right for Israel to be benevolent.. those are excuses. You claim the moral high ground, you stand there, regardless of what the world throws at you.. otherwise you are a hypocrite)

    Hamas is just as complicit btw – they commit different “offences” under international law, but it all evens out roughly imo.

    The problem is that, in a story of David and Goliath, David is always the one cheered on. (David is not Israel in the modern world if you haven’t noticed)

    • sarah_13

      Hamas murdered the opposition after the only election they ever had, they intimidate and terrorise their people, they use the money sent by the EU and others to live well and send palestinians to their deaths and pay salaries to encourage suicide bombing, they have a charter that calls for the eradication of all jews, they are evil hate mongers of the worst kind… I could go on. Hamas should be abhorred by any decent person, they are not on the same moral planet as israel, as indeed by your comments neither are you. Try living in hamas run gaza without a british passport.

      • Ilya Grushevskiy

        I was talking about the events that take place during a war, where both parties (militaries) break international law norms.. But on peace times:

        Hamas are worse.. simple, so are the people of Gaza. But what do you expect?

        The people of Gaza are slowly being turned into wild dogs by Israel and the people of the world. You (not you here, third person) treat people like they are beneath you, do not let them move to find work or education, do not let them trade freely (blockade), and let them live in squalor for decades.. do you expect them to stay peace loving, idealistic human beings?! Are you that naive??

        They are slowly becoming dehumanized, and not of their own will. Anything they do now may have a seed of guilt on their part, but the majority of the blame lies with the social experiment that the world has inflicted on them. The Gaza of now is nothing short of a Hannibal Lecter wet dream – a social experiment with no moral boundaries, letting people fall simply for the sake of seeing how they do it, and whether they get up again.

        Now I know the world and Israel are not trying to do that, but it is what is happening regardless.

        A solution to Gaza is simple – trade, investment, education. Look at Tony Blair – where is his “education, education, education” speech?! People with money and a life with even an ounce of hope do not renounce their humanity so easily.

        Trade with them, teach them, give them health services. It’s the world that has to make the first step – do not expect the dehumanized shell of Man to go out on a limb and rationalize the situation. Doing that reveals a lack of insight into the human condition.

        And it won’t work overnight. Look at Russia after collapse – 5/10 years of nightmares, still not the best.. the people are pretty barbaric really, may take a while.. Hamas won’t die a death if Gaza is released from it’s prison sentence, but they won’t flourish. At this point it will take a generation before Hamas or any other group like it are gone. And that’s if Gaza prospers.

        In addition, from a military point of view – classical geographical borders have long been outdated due to army speed and air forces.. Gaza is firing rockets that are relatively “tame” for now – short of fear, they are impotent.. What about in 20, 30 years – when drone technology is cheap and readily available? Robotics? Stuff we haven’t even invented yet?

        In a generation, it won’t be one Israeli civilian, it will be hundreds, simply because that button they push will be that much more effective. And then deal with your problem. Then their leader’s solution of “wiping out Israel” will have hope, at the very least in their minds. At that point Israel will not be able to be benevolent with such a low cost exit strategy..

        • sarah_13

          You say “both sides break international norms” as if you know this for a fact. Many so called supporters of the palestinian do this and bandy around other terms like war crimes without absolutely no evidence. By doing this and then say “both parties” they attempt to present both parties as equivalent, they are not. I have stated above Hama’s credentials not to mention the clear evidence of genocidal intent of their Charter

          Israel on the other hand is a liberal democracy, with a free press and with a world renowned liberal supreme court, the rule of law, military rules of engagement that are respected throughout the western military, technological and medical innovation that protects british troops whilst fighting similar terrorists throughout the world, shares their intelligence with the west and is at the forefront of medical advances helping amongst many other things to combat alzheimers etc.

          Hamas is the only party to this conflict constantly flouting any kind of laws. The PA representative has already stated that every single rocket sent (over 3000) sent into israel is a war crime.

          Israel as colonel Richard kemp a decorated british commander said “The IDF does more to protect the rights of civilians in war than any other army in the history of warfare.” The US and UK have copied israeli practices to help minimise civilian casualties not the other way round. The israels are warning civilians with leaflets giving them 48 hours to leave the immediate area and then following them up with broadcasts in arabic along with the very last resort tap on the buildings. None of this is perfect of course because this is war. But nevertheless this is more than the UK or US have done until they adopted israeli practices.

          The fact that immams and hamas activists are telling the gazans not to leave is not Israel’s fault this is entirely the disgusting behaviour of hamas and the glorifying of martyrdom. Families are paid if their children become martyrs this is a horrible fact but a fact nevertheless. At least 3 rocket arsenals have been confirmed found in UN schools in Gaza so far, that in itself in war of law etc means those places mosques, schools etc lose protection and are legitimate targets in conflict. Hamas are restricting the movement of journalists who have not shown any fighters deaths at all. In the last conflict Hamas started out saying that most killed were civilians saying on 50 had been killed whereas after the conflict following meticulous research of all the deaths they finally agreed that 700 hamas fighters had been killed, a figure israel had stated all along. In war any target used for military purposes is a legitimate target, a horrible prospect for the israeli army. Interviews with Israeli pilots show that they have aborted missions up to 17 times because of uncertainty as to civilian injuries. This is not an army who is indiscriminately targeting individuals. When considering the legality in the sense of the war of law that is considered as is Intent, knowledge, proportionality and necessity all of this is considered on a daily basis by the israeli army. Something that doesn’t even enter into the mindset of Hamas.

          The people of gaza have been turned wild by the terrorists who run gaza the islamist supremacists called Hamas. They allow no freedom, no future, no hope just nihilistic violence and eternal paradise after death. You call them “wild dogs” and in human. Well that happens when you teach 3,4 and 5 year olds to hate. Hyrsteria becomes the rational and death becomes an aspiration. None of this is the case in Israel. Look to syria and Hamas’s sunni supremacist brothers, many gazans are fighting with them, this is the end result of this ideology.

          Be careful what you wish for because we will have to consider how to help the christians and muslims in Syria and Iraq and remove ISIS if they become any more entrenched or perhaps 100,000 of thousands of deaths, 4 million women genitally mutiliated, christians forced to flee, die or convert is ok with you?

          • Ilya Grushevskiy

            Well at least we agree on one thing 😀 – the people of Gaza are being dehumanized.. And yes, Hamas pay off families for dead children, train them up, terrorize the population;

            I think our fundamental difference is that I see Hamas as Gazan – they are not Syrian, Iraqi, Saudi Arabian terrorists, they are Palestinians. They were chosen “of the people, by the people, for the people” (however inconvenient that fact may be)…

            The Gazans probably don’t like that decision they made now, but none the less that is how it is. Hamas is not a begotten entity that is not of this world – they became terrorists because the situation was right for people to become spiteful, hateful, horrible. Their actions may have been “trained up”, but living in a place like that, do you really think everyone needs a video tape about martyrdom to become violent?

            Do the maths: 0.05% of the population of Gaza has died just now. Assume at least Facebook levels of aquaintances (bigger families etc)… 500 is an ok number. Therefore, 2.5 – 5% of the population probably knows someone who died.. 0.25% probably knows someone close. That is a lot of people (in the tens of thousands), a lot of naturally irrational creatures from who to recruit. You don’t need the weird terrorist education in Gaza, just a few victims to feel enough hatred to strap on a jacket. And there are enough victims.. self caused it may be to some degree, but I don’t think the ones firing the rockets care too much.

            Also, Sun Tzu said “To a surrounded enemy, you must leave a way of escape” – otherwise they fight harder. He was talking about armies, but Gaza is no different – people with no means to escape (geographic or economic) fight harder.. whether the “right way” or the “wrong way”. Hence me saying they need hope, a way out. One that doesn’t include launching rockets at Israel. Until the world realizes that, the situation won’t change.

            As for your impressive list of what’s great about Israel – Rolf Harris was all in all an “ok” guy through most of his life… absolutely doesn’t excuse a limited number of his actions. Democracy, free press, rules of engagement etc. are laudable achievements by Israel, but none the less, you asked what laws both sides broke?

            Hamas: Use of force outside of a Chapter VII resolution by the Security Council, self defense, or a humanitarian reason (don’t like this argument, but given the conditions they have been in for a decade, that one is at the very least notable).. anyways, they break laws, we all know that (not brushing aside, just nothing new here)

            Israel: dis-proportionality.. I don’t care how good their recipe for cheese toasties is, how fresh their ingredients, how “amaze-balls” their toastie machine’s design – the damn thing is burnt, so at the very least be honest and admit that something is not right. (sorry for the metaphor, damn hungry :p )

            And saying they taught the US and UK about anti collateral damage measures is great, but how does that change the number of dead? I’m glad they are reserved, and will read up more about it now you told me (I knew they weren’t being indiscriminate but not much more than that), but in the end they still fall short of the measuring stick. Being first in class doesn’t equate to being adequate at something.. just means your classmates are all worse than you!

            Also, Sunni Muslims do not have a culture of Imamism like you imagine – there cannot be an intermediary between God and the worshiper within Sunni beliefs (Imams lead prayers, nothing else). At the very least learn about the idiots that fire the rockets.. And they are idiots because they have no one to slap them and tell them “your interpretation of the Quran is wrong”.. for example: al-Baqarah 2:256 “There shall be no compulsion in religion” .. you think they’ve read that? ,, this is a different tangent all together, but an interesting one at the very least 🙂

            The story about ISIS and FGM was fake btw – FGM is not a cultural phenomenon in the Middle East, pretty sure if they tried that, they’d be wiped out from a rebellion in no time.

            But yes, the underlying system may be causing some, a lot if you wish, increase in terror recruits, but their hopelessness the whole population also plays a key role. Thinking a cornered animal is at fault for attacking you is simply ignorant as to the facts of his psyche.

            I have no stake in this btw, and am not wishing for an Islamic Caliphate to rise up (so much territory would go under for tourists then!!), and at least by my name you can see I am “Western”, whatever that entails. All I’m saying is that it takes two to tango, the status quo remains unchanged.. Both sides are therefore moronic in their approach to the situation or are not interested in a solution.

            Hamas would be ousted by their own people if only they were thought of as the greatest enemy to the well being of those same people. For all Of Hamas’ crimes however, Israel does more damage while being restrained, careful, “Western”..

            Actions speak louder than words, and a body count is easier to interpret than rules of engagement.

  • Munir Khan

    The Palestinian dispute is about LAND,resources,justice and human dignity. However hard Melanie and others push out the hasbara that this is another form of anti semitism they will fail in convincing the general public, who recognise it for what it is.

    The uncomfortable truth is that the Holocaust and pogroms and massacres throughout history were carried out by Christians because of a deep and abiding hatred of Jews. The blood libel that Jews were responsible for the death of Christ gave rise to persecution throughout history.

    When the inquisition banished Jews from Spain, it was an Ottoman (Muslim) Caliph who invited these Sephardic Jews to come and settle in Turkey.

    Anti Semistism, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are all western inventions/imports, and not the product of Muslim/Arab minds. Sadly, Israel’s militarism and cruel occupation has led to some Arabs adopting these perverted indeologies.

    Stop peddling half truths Melanie, and recognise that you are (once again) defending the indefensible…

    Free Gaza
    Free Palestine

    Shalom!

    • lookout

      It’s not about land, it’s purely about who will run Jerusalem, it’s spiritual

    • Damaris Tighe

      Munir, you’re right to say that the Protocols etc were “western inventions/imports”. But what have you to say about the many antisemitic passages in the Quran & hadiths? Surely the Protocols & Mein Kamf, best sellers in Muslim lands, simply add fuel to a fire lit in Islam’s holiest scriptures?

      • Munir Khan

        The verses in the Quran that are cited as evidence of anti semitism are referring to a specific group of Jews at a specific point in time. Namely those Jewish tribes who having entrered into treaties with Muslims (in Medina), rose up in rebellion against the Muslims, in support of pagan Meccans. The Hadith are unreliable for the most part, and for every 5 Hadith that you can quote as evidence of anti semistism, you can find 5 in support. Ultimately, it should be remembered that Islam, the Quran all speak approvingly of Ahle Kitab (people of the book).
        As for selling Mein Kampff etc in the middle east, it is simply repulsive and an embarassment, and i wish it didn’t happen.

        • Munir Khan

          Sorry, forgot to mention that you are entirely wrong to say that they are bestsellers. They’re not, because I made a pont of asking!

          • Damaris Tighe

            Thank you Munir & I appreciate your posts on this page, even if we’re not always in agreement. Unfortunately most Muslims don’t seem to agree with your interpretation of the Quranic passages on the Jews.

    • sarah_13

      What is your position in respect of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and his alliance with Hitler? Or the status and treatment of jews in jerusalem at the end of the 19th century and before? And the pogroms in turkey earlier? And the treatment of jews as dhimmis, in amongst other places, morocco where jews were forced to walk bare foot before muslim masters? etc etc?

  • Damaris Tighe

    Melanie, I’m disappointed in you. In fact I’m stunned. Israel’s right to exist should have nothing to do with archaic religious claims. Zionism is the national self-determination movement of the Jewish people. It’s part of the 19th century liberal movement which aimed to empower the common people of the European empires by giving them their own national parliaments & thus self-determination.

    The great Italian nationalist Mazzini envisaged a world of liberal democracies based on nations with a common language & history. This is where Zionism comes from. Most of the original Zionist pioneers were atheists.

  • Carla Chamorro

    “Leadership is the ability to lift and inspire.”
    – Paul Dietzel

  • Lennoxlad

    Just another pro-Zionist rant dressed up as journalism by Phillips. Does The Spectator actually pay her for this bilge?

    • grammarschoolman

      Which makes yours a pro-jihad rant dressed up as a comment on Philiips. At least we can assume that you’re not getting paid.

  • john

    Melanie has a nice little earner in maintaining the victim role for her peeps. She’s head of the UK branch of the right-wing media machine that gets up every morning knowing what their fans want to hear and delivering it in a pre-digested diatribe.

    • sarah_13

      I sometimes find what she says depressing but unfortunately she is right.

      • john

        No seriuos case can be made that British Jews are persecuted or ostracized in any way. They are doing pretty darn good.

  • Reco2

    Anti semtism had traditionaly been RW…and still is.

    BTW: The only surviving leader of the warsaw Ghetto uprising was a commited anti zionist.

  • lookout

    Keep it up Melanie, there is yourself and Caroline Glick telling the truth, When your men are like woman you need women to act like men, all the lame stream media, apart from Douglas Murray, aren’t man enough

  • Fred Yang

    I wouldn’t fancy being a Jewish resident in some towns such as Bradford where the Palestinian Flag is being flown outside the townhalls…

    • Kevin T

      And indeed in Tower Hamlets, by its illegitimate mayor.

  • RH156

    The simple truth is that the State of Israel is an illegitimate entity set in lands belonging to others. Moreover, its existence is not in the interest of the West because it utterly poisons relations between the West and the Muslim world. Nor is it in the general interest of Jews everywhere because its behaviour generates hatred against Jewry worldwide.

    The West should withdraw all economic, military and diplomatic support from Israel and remain strictly neutral between Israel and the Arab states.

    Want your politics with the cant taken out? Then try my blogs:

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    • Kevin T

      The behaviour of Israel generates hatred against Jews in people who already don’t like Jews, mainly nowadays Muslims but also nutters on the extreme right and left who believe in conspiracy theories about Zionism.

    • sarah_13

      Firstly this is not the case if that is your position then half the countries in the world are illegitimate.

      Secondly your attempt at appeasement will mean giving away all the freedoms many, if you yourself don’t care, enjoy. An attempt to give islamists israel thinking that will get them off your back is misguided. The christians in syria and iraq are finding out this to their peril as is half of Africa. Of course we could all convert to the islamist version of Islam and maybe we’ll be ok for a while.

      Thirdly if the west withdraws all economic and military support the west would first have to consider its military and its behaviour first. As Col. Richard Kemp has said “The IDF has done more to protect the rights of civilians in warfare than any other military in the history of warfare.” So when you’ve finished demilitarising the west good look defending against supremacist islamism of the type spreading across the middle east and edging close to europe. Of course if that is what you want this is a very good way to achieve it.

      • RH156

        Sarah 13 – You misunderstand my policy. I do not advocate pacifism. Rather, I advocate the leaving of natural spheres of influence intact. Leave the Arabs to their own devices and they will have little appetite for attacking the West, not least because they will be tied up with their inevitable civil wars and inter-state wars.

        As for withdrawing economic, military and diplomatic support from Israel, that also applies to the Arab states. I seek a neutral position towards both.

  • pole

    I agree with most of what Melanie is saying, with exception of denying suffering of innocents on Palestinian side. Bomb doesn’t ask about your passport. Bomb from the sky is same bad as bomb strapped to suicide bomber. In my opinion anybody who is involved in hate speech against Jews in general should be persecuted, the same way those who bomb innocents to generalize for crimes of Hamas should be.

    • kevinlynch1005

      I trust you mean ‘prosecuted’ rather than ‘persecuted’? Rather, I hope you do!

      • Augustus

        A mala-pole-ism?

        • kevinlynch1005

          Hahaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

      • pole

        yep, edited that 🙂

  • Terry Field

    REPEATED BY POPULAR DEMAND _ 40 plus upvotes:
    This article is entirely correct, and highlights the moral bankruptcy of the infantile ‘leadership’ in Britain, and in Europe.
    An element ignored here, that adds to Israel’s worries, is this dreadfully irresponsible American President, who, as part of the ‘pivot’ strategy, gave the whole of the North African Muslim area to the Moslem Brotherhood as a means of buying quietness in that ‘region’ – and if it had not been for the good sense of the Egyptian people, he would have succeeded in Egypt as well. He plainly works to allow Iran to achieve a nuclear bomb.
    He is a catastrophe, a denial of everything the US achieved and stood for since 1945.
    He oozed anti- Israel sentiment whenever the Israeli PM visited Washington
    Jews in England should know that they also have many millions of friends who would act bravely to protect them.
    There will not be a rerun of the holocaust; we will see to that.
    Why is it still tolerable to hove this Islamic barbarism in our society? – they should live in Islamic states.

  • Hard Little Machine

    Well yes and no. It’s laudable to suggest what should be done. But clearly the government will never do a thing, the media will be allowed to ever devolve into a Nazi press and a pogrom in Britain will ensue. Chattering about the BBC and Jon Snow is pointless just as it was pointless to argue against the Nuremberg Race Laws in the German press in 1935.

  • Radford_NG

    They bring in masses of immigrants from the most anti-semitic countries in the world and call us racists when we complain about it.Then when there is a rise in anti-semitism they blame us for it;for our xenophobic,racist attitudes.The `They` here includes much of the Anglo-Jewish intelligentsia.

    (I say nothing here about the anti-British race-hate speech in the article above which,like-wise,blames us for every-thing.)

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  • juliette eyre

    Do you know what Melanie, this is genocide. This is a perverse and revolting reenactment of the so-called final solution. The Palestinians will forever remain a threat to Israel, so for Israel to survive they must be destroyed. But Israel is not world Jewry, and world Jewry is not Israel. Your cunning devise to conflate the two is designed to turn any criticism of Israel into criticism of the Jewish people. It is not, and you should have the intellectual honesty to separate them off and recognise what a vile game is going on here.

    • jjjj

      Who are you to talk about ‘intellectual honesty’. Intellectual honesty means debating in good faith and not lying. Your claim that this is ‘genocide’ is a lie of Nazi proportions. Your claim that is a reenactment of the ‘so called’ Final Solution shows what you are. Nine days ago you claimed that it was the ‘path’ to genocide. Now you claim it is ‘genocide’.

      • juliette eyre

        Sorry, friend, but bluster and pomposity is not an argument. Gaza has been effectively sealed off from the world; there is no escape for its wretched inhabitants. They are denied access to food, water, travel, trade, work, the most basic of human needs. An oppressive enemy rains down death upon them. Courageously, they defend themselves, as did the Jews of the Warsaw Ghetto. Now, as then, the world watches aghast, but does nothing. Now, as then, the fate of the inhabitants is clear. It may take some time to achieve, but their elimination is the only conclusion of the enemy’s logic. That counts as genocide in my book.

        • jjjj

          Firstly, I’m not your friend. On the contrary, I want to see you defeated. Because you lot were defeated once before and you will be defeated again. Why don’t you blame your Islamofascist heroes Hamas for bringing misery and suffering on the people of Gaza whom they have condemned. You of course would have the Jews metaphorically tied up while Hamas fire rockets and send terrorrists through tunnels to massacre men, women and children in the name of a perverted ideology. And your ilk sit here and encourage them to do so; with baited breath you wait for the Jews to have the boot of Hamas stamped over their faces.

          You care not a jot for the memory of the Jewish heroes of the Warsaw Ghetto who died as the world looked on. Funny the accusation of ‘Genocide’ when the population of Gaza and the Palestinians in general has increased since 1947! Mehtinks that although you can write, you are utterly ignorant of history and the lessons of history. You know that the Holocaust is the defining moment in modern Jewish history, the culmination of centuries of persecution. And so to turn the Holocaust back on the Jews is your ultimate weapon because you and your ilk are intellectually impotent. Your sterility is laid bare for all to see.

          • davidr

            You’ve lost it.

    • Augustus

      “Do you know what Melanie, this is genocide.”

      This is a deliberate exercise in ‘doublethink’. You are determined to imply that Israel has been targeting innocent civilians in Gaza en masse, particularly the weak and infirm. The Israeli Air Force drops leaflets warning Gazans of imminent shelling in specific areas, and pilots who spot women and children in their crosshairs abort their missions. But the only reason that civilian areas need to be bombed in the first place is because Hamas has strategically placed all of its weapons and explosives under homes, hospitals and mosques, not even to mention under U.N. schools and hospitals. This ‘lynch-mob mentality’ against Jews in Britain and elsewhere is indeed ‘a perverse and revolting re-enactment’ of Hitler’s attitude to Jews, because, as you well know, if Israel had indeed decided to employ all means to keep its citizens safe from missile, mortar, rocket and drone attacks originating from Gaza it would, and could easily have, flattened the place completely. You are just another mouthpiece for The Ministry of Truth from 1984, concerning itself only with lies.

      • sarah_13

        Indeed Hamas’s charter shows clear intent to commit genocide yet apparently sensible decent people prefer to believe a liberal democracy with a world renowned supreme court and a society that contributes to the free world in all areas is genocidal despite the fact that they do more than any other army to prevent civilian casualties. It is truly astonishing and frightening that people prefer to believe the unbelievable rather than fact the horrible reality that will face us all.

    • sarah_13

      No Madame this is not genocide, your statement is obscene. Look at the charter of hamas for genocidal intent and look to syria. What is happening in gaza is a horrible situation. Hamas is responsible for every single death. Israel is not as a policy killing people but has an obligation to stop these rockets and destroy the tunnels dug under israeli homes by unaccountable psychopathic islamist supremacists who are paid by the Qataris to be suicide bombers keeping the families of suicide bombers in comfort. Shame on you. I question why I have seen no fights injured. Journalists are restricted in access and intimidated by Hamas in gaza.

      Israel is a liberal democracy who provides technology and intelligence to british troops in the field saving their lives, who also are at the forefront of medical innovation in the world, whose animal sancturies care for animals yet you prefer to believe the worst of Israel and do not question that Hamas has controlled the gaza strip since 2006 and has pillaged its people, caused chaos and mayhem used gazans’ money to buy rockets and build tunnels and is now using its people in a cynical appeal to the west. This is a very difficult conflict and there are no easy answers but Israel is not committing genocide, israel does more than any other army to avoid civilian deaths but deaths in all conflicts will be caused and more so when the other side is cynically using civilians, civilians whose imams tell them not to fear death and to ignore the israeli warnings to leave their homes. The US and British army use israeli techniques to minimise civilian casualities not the other way around.

      Gazans need to be rid of Hamas and the islamist supremacist ideology.

  • Munir Khan

    Eminent historian Eric Hobsbaum, fellow in history between 1949–55 at King’s College, Cambridge, Emeritus Professor at Birkbeck said this (below), a few years before he died, following Israel’s then onslaught upon Gaza. Unlike Melanie Phillips, Hobsbaum had lived through WW2 and knew the true meaning of anti semitism far better than those like Melanie who do more to tarnish the name of Israel and the Jewish faith, than any number of knucklescraping fascists could ever do.

    “For three weeks barbarism has been on show before a universal public,
    which has watched, judged and with few exceptions rejected Israel’s use of
    armed terror against the one and a half million inhabitants blockaded since
    2006 in the Gaza Strip. Never have the official justifications for invasion
    been more patently refuted by the combination of camera and arithmetic; or the
    newspeak of ‘military targets’ by the images of bloodstained children and
    burning schools. Thirteen dead on one side, 1360 on the other: it isn’t hard to
    work out which side is the victim. There is not much more to be said about
    Israel’s appalling operation in Gaza.

    Except for those of us who are Jews. In a long and insecure history as a
    people in diaspora, our natural reaction to public events has inevitably
    included the question: ‘Is it good or bad for the Jews?’ In this instance the
    answer is unequivocally: ‘Bad for the Jews’.

    It is patently bad for the five and a half million Jews who live in Israel
    and the occupied territories of 1967, whose security is jeopardised by the
    military actions that Israeli governments take in Gaza and in Lebanon; actions
    which demonstrate their inability to achieve their declared aims and which
    perpetuate and intensify Israel’s isolation in a hostile Middle East. Since
    genocide or the mass expulsion of Palestinians from what remains of their
    native land is no more on the practical agenda than the destruction of the
    state of Israel, only negotiated coexistence on equal terms between the two
    groups can provide a stable future. Each new military adventure, like the ones
    in Gaza and Lebanon, will make such a solution more difficult and will
    strengthen the hand of the Israeli right wing and the West Bank settlers who do
    not want it in the first place.

    Like the war in Lebanon in 2006, Gaza has darkened the outlook for the
    future of Israel. It has also darkened the outlook for the nine million Jews
    who live in the diaspora. Let me not beat about the bush: criticism of Israel does not imply anti-semitism, but the actions of the government of Israel occasion shame among Jews and, more than anything else, they give rise to anti-semitism today. Since 1945 the Jews, inside and outside Israel, have enormously benefited from the bad conscience of a Western world that had refused Jewish immigration in the 1930sbefore committing or failing to resist genocide. How much of that bad
    conscience, which virtually eliminated anti-semitism in the West for sixty
    years and produced a golden era for its diaspora, is left today?

    Israel in action in Gaza is not the victim people of history, nor even the
    ‘brave little Israel’ of 1948-67 mythology, a David defeating all its
    surrounding Goliaths. Israel is losing goodwill as rapidly as the US did under
    George W. Bush, and for similar reasons: nationalist blindness and the
    megalomania of military power. What is good for Israel and what is good for the
    Jews as a people are evidently linked, but, until there is a just answer to the
    Palestinian question, they are not and cannot be identical. And it is essential
    for Jews to say so.”

    • Hobsbawm was an unrepentant Red to the end of this days. He is on record as saying that the millions slain on the Soviet altar would have been worth it if the slaughter could have brought about world communism. I’m sorry you got imprinted with him during your school days, but he is no kind of moral authority.

      • Munir Khan

        Not sure what being a Red has to do with anything. A different subject altogether, but Hobsbaum’s Jewish antecedents & personal experience certainly gave him moral authority to pronounce on this subject.

        • sarah_13

          The same moral authority most jews who fled to Israel enjoy from the holocaust and other atrocities.

        • Not sure what being a career-long devotee of life-hating, soul-denying, wealth-destroying communism has to do with anything? You’ll need more filling-in than I can provide in an online comment…

  • Lesley

    “The mask has been torn away” That bit is true, people are beginning to see Israel for what it really is.

    “Anti-Semitism singles out Jews for treatment applied to no other people:” Islamaphobia singles out Muslims for treatment applied to no other people.
    We gave Palestine back to the Israelis because of their historical right to it. Maybe we should ask the Canaanites, from whom the Hebrews violently took the land, about that? All these rights based on a stupid book that was written backwards strictly to lay down the foundation for the claims of Hebrews to the land of Canaan. It’s all a load of rubbish anyway, everyone knows Jerusalem is the Capital of Christianity!!

    • mohdanga

      “Islamaphobia singles out Muslims for treatment applied to no other people.”
      Where are the marches in the streets decrying Muslims killing Muslims/Christians in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Sudan, Nigeria, Chad, Egypt, (please insert any others I missed)?? Never happens.
      ‘Islamaphobia’ is a term used to stifle any debate about Muslims, surely you should understand that by now. It is a religion that brooks no criticism, firmly endorsed by the police and political establishment too afraid of upsetting Muslims for fear of violence in the streets.

    • jjjj

      Actually, some of the cleverest minds in the world can read that book that was written ‘backwards’. Your whole comment is so stupid that one can imagine you being employed by the Israelis to make you and your kind more stupid than you really are. Although for an Islamist ‘Lesley’ you do know about propaganda with your Jerusalem remark. But the undecided on here won’t fool for that. The Jews maintain full freedom of worship for all religions even to the extent that Israel does not permit Jews to pray on Temple Mount. So, ya ”Leslie’, Yerushalaim is safe for the world. Unlike if had been in Muslim hands.

  • juliette eyre

    I’m sorry jjjj, but personal insult is no more an argument than your earlier bluster. I am not a member of any “group” or “lot”; I am a long-serving friend of Israel appalled at the moral degradation 40 odd years an an occupying power has wrought upon the country. I carry no brief for Hamas, but can you not see that Hamas is actually a creation of Israel; it is a product of the persecution of its people. I suppose if enough people are killed and enough schools are bombed, Hamas may be annihilated for the moment, but worse will fill its place: Islamic Jihad and Isis are waiting in the wings. So the logic of the destruction of Hamas points only to the need for the destruction of their entire seedbed, the genocide I named earlier. As to the world crime of the Holocaust: you do not help your case by identifying wholly the Jewish people with the state of Israel, as Melanie Phillips mischievously and frequently does.

    • jjjj

      A long-serving friend of Israel? Sounds like ‘some of my best friends are Jewish’. You also write in the present tense mentioning your friendship. With friends like that, well you know the rest. You lost the argument with your Warsaw comparison and other rubbish. And of course there are Jews who don”t agree with the state of Israel. Just as there are Arabs who don’t agree with Hamas (the son of their West Bank commander who had to flee his father) and many other Muslims who don’t agree with the Hamas terrorists.

  • Augustus

    “‘I am shocked that John Prescott called Gaza a concentration camp…'”

    Because to make such a remark is a sign of gross ignorance. Palestinian Arabs started a civil war against the Jewish State in 1948, and bore the consequences of losing their war of intended genocide against the Jewish people. They who sought to demolish the nascent Jewish state, instead smashed their own society. This was poetic justice. Since then Gazans have constructed their own prison. Gazans kept themselves poor from 1948 to 1967. They did not develop a state or build an economy, as Israel did in the same period. The average earnings for Gazans was less than $7.00 per month. Under Israeli administration the average income increased by 2000%.

    Gazans enjoyed the most amount of freedom and peace under Israeli administration after the terrorists were rooted out of Gaza by Ariel Sharon in 1970-71 In the 1970s to the mid 1990s the ordinary Gazan had freedom to travel to Israel and the West Bank. 40% of Palestinians found employment in Israel. Israel supported Palestinian business, it increased Palestinian water resources by 100% and electrified the Palestinian territories. Under Israel Administration schools and universities were built. Infant mortality rates plummeted and Palestinians lived longer because of the tremendous increase in the quality of healthcare brought by Israel to Gaza and the West Bank.

    The transfer of Gaza to the PA and unending terrorist attacks by Hamas and other terrorists led to the Gaza separation fence being built keeping terrorists in Gaza. It led to Palestinians being excluded from the Israeli marketplace. It lead to the closures of the economic zones. It also ended the economic advancement and build up of infrastructure which Israel had built in Gaza during its administration. Under Palestinian administration the water resources have been fouled by improper drilling of wells and failure to build water treatment and desalination plants, Palestinians failed to build the electrical infrastructure for Gaza’s energy requirements. Palestinians failed to improve their medical facilities to handle the great increase in population between the end of Israeli administration and the present time, instead investing their money in corruption and armed resistance. When Israel left Gaza, Hamas could have renounced violence and built a new Singapore. Instead they built a new Somalia.

    • Bonkim

      What else is it? Historic Refugee Camp teeming with a hopeless people. Displaced from their historic homeland and trapped with no where to go.

  • prompteetsincere

    C.C. the Archbishop of Canterbury.

  • pp22pp

    Melanie, give me a break. A large proportion of Britain’s leaders are Jews. If Jews are serious about defending Jews then they should be doing all in their power to halt Islamic immigration.
    The silence is deafening.
    You’re not some tiny oppressed minority. You have huge wealth and influence. Stop pretending otherwise.

    • Richard

      Jews in pre- Nazi Germany also had great wealth and influence.

      • pp22pp

        We have no history of pogroms. Give me a break. I am tired of being berated for what my ancestors did not do to the Jews or what my descendants might or might not do to them in a five generations’ time. As it stands, Jews are over-represented in many areas of British life and they are not subject to the de facto quota system that is often applied to the indigenous. Broadcasting is one area where Jews are extremely well represented, and I never heard anyone call the BBC hideously Jewish. If they wish to carry on prospering, it would make sense for them to support the society in which they have prospered heretofore rather than replace it with one where huge numbers of people have a history of hating them.

        • RoxanneRoxanadana

          Tell us about the immigration act of 1905, specifically related to the British treatment of Boers, blamed on, of all people, Jews.

        • Bonkim

          Jews over-represented because they are talented, or better educated. You will find the same with Scots and certain other groups within the British population.

        • mohdanga

          Yes, all those black, Indian, Chinese and Muslim presenters on the BBC must be closet Jews…
          “As it stands, Jews are over-represented in many areas of British life and they are not subject to the de facto quota system that is often applied to the indigenous.” Hilarious. You might want to replace ‘Jew’ with ‘blacks, Muslims, Indians’ and you’d be right.
          Is David Cameron a Jew? How about high ranking cabinet ministers?

          • jjjj

            Note how he/she distinguishes between ‘indigenous’ and Jews.

        • jjjj

          No pogroms? Forgotten about the massacres in the Middle Ages have we? Scum.

        • Richard

          Berated? ‘Jews are over-represented in many areas of British life’; what would proper representation be?

          • pp22pp

            You tell me, but if the BBC can be called too white, then the same logic can be applied to every other ethnic group. The army was also declared too indigenous. What should the proper representation for the indigenous be?

        • Damaris Tighe

          Have you ever noticed the Jewish members of UKIP?

    • Augustus

      How condescending of you to an eminent writer of world renown, to presume to analyse her motives and feelings for Israel because she is Jewish. (“I respect that” “we have offered you sanctuary”) Who the hell are you? Nothing but an insignificant number!

    • Bonkim

      If Jews support a foreign power oppressing a defeated people, and killing women and children indiscriminately they will cease to uphold British values. Why do you think Jews in Britain should not be loyal to Britain their adopted homeland and not become a Fifth Column for a foreign power. If they do they will lose their position and standing in Britain. You appear to be inviting British Jews to be racist and anti Islam. Islam itself is not the problem – but some parts have become terrorists given their condition – and in Israel/Gaza/Syria I have no problem that terrorism there is people fighting for their freedom. Many Jews in Britain and even Israel recognize that – as Jewish history is one of persecution by those that hate and discriminate against them.

      • Richard

        ‘…oppressing a defeated people, and killing women and children indiscriminately they will cease to uphold British values.’ You seem to be unfamiliar with British History; those are British values.

        • Bonkim

          Where did your learn your history?

  • Richard

    With all of the breast-beating here about civilian casualties in Gaza, can any of you ersatz humanitarians tell me how many babies and pregnant women were killed by your RAF in their bombing of Libya, Iraq, and Afghanistan? if not, why not?

  • amphibious

    Put simply the Israelis stole Arab land and refuse to acknowledge this. All else is deliberate obfuscation and disingenuous to be kind or tendentious mendacity to be accurate..

    • Augustus

      Put simply, you shouldn’t be allowed out without a lead.

      • amphibious

        And there, ladies & gentlemen, is the problem. Guess who is ‘leading’?

        • Augustus

          No, the problem lies with the Islamic religion of hatred and anti-Semitism embedded in their doctrine. There’s a temporary humanitarian cease-fire at the moment in Gaza which is supposed to last for a few days. But what’s the betting that Hamas will break it yet again? Yahweh and Allah simply can’t walk through the same door together, and the reason lies with Islam.

          • Bonkim

            Yes temporary – don’t foget some Jewish sects surpass Hamas in their bigotry. I would say the two deserve each other.

    • NicoleS

      Oh dear. Israelis did not steal one inch of Arab land. The early settlements were purchased. Jews were granted a state by the British mandate and this was approved by the League of Nations. Whereupon six neighbouring countries declared war and were defeated, something they cannot get over to this day. It is boring to have to tell ignorant people these simple facts.

      • jjjj

        You are absolutely right. The UN voted in favour of partition plan in ’47. The Jews accepted it even though it would have left their state utterly defenceless. The Arabs whipped themselves up into a frenzy and set out on a war of extermination against the Jews. The new state of Israel prevailed but lost 1% of its population in the war.

      • mohdanga

        Never let facts get in the way of an argument.

      • amphibious

        ohh, puhleez, not Genesis 23, specifically verses 10-18. That barrel bottom you’re scrapping has been worn away.

  • I mean just the idiocy of it

    Consider the respective sizes of the piles of bodies—and then ask which side should be considered the victim.

    • Tom M

      I think a better question would be what idiot started such an unequal war?

      • Bonkim

        Does it matter which idiot?

        • Tom M

          Given that I consider all of Hamas’ leadership are psychopathic idiots no I don’t suppose it does.

          • Bonkim

            Tale of the unexpected – an MBA degree does not mean success in business – often the idiot gets ahead and in life it is survival of the fittest. Israel is on top for now – but don’t expect that to last forever.

    • Bonkim

      Hamas is asking for more bodies. Sympathy is waning for people with medieval mindsets, breed copiously and who are also idiots.

      • mohdanga

        “Sympathy is waning for people with medieval mindsets, breed copiously and who are also idiots.” Not according to immigration statistics in Western Europe and the UK, Muslim immigration just keeps increasing….and the gov’ts just keep letting them in. It’s either wilful blindness or a penchant for cultural suicide.

        • Bonkim

          Britain’s social security and child benefits ideal for fast-breeding species. Yes.

  • M P Jones

    Both Judaism and Islam are completely outdated political philosophies with the supremacy of their members as an important component, in case of Judaism coupled with overt racism. Rational people should do their best to combat both, ideally they should be proscribed in civilized countries. In the meantime let’s keep both sides well armed…

    • Bonkim

      People have a right to their beliefs – even if you consider all religions superstitions and head-strong belief is irrational and bigoted. As long as that belief does not lead to harming others.

      • M P Jones

        Supremacist types of political movements normally harm others extensively, whether primarily racist or militant.

        • Bonkim

          Yes – regrettably all belief systems are based of superiority of the believer. No different from say the damage done by Christian missionaries to underdeveloped societies or Islamic conquests in the past. ‘My God is better and stronger than yours’ if it was not so would I have believed in my God? Harm to others has to be regulated/controlled by the dominant political culture – and at locations where the dominant belief system prevails, others have to adjust or leave. It is only after WW2 that the tolerant pluralism we see in the West has flourished and that too only at certain societies. Low level prejudice and discrimination against minorities prevail all over the world, increasing levels in some. You cannot stop that by legislation alone.

          • M P Jones

            I partly agree – many of the oriental belief systems are not based on the idea of supremacy. Christianity, derived from Indian belief systems, is also quite tolerant – although political factions have of course been using it for suppression and violence over the years.

            Many years of education and social engineering are probably required to try to remedy the social impact of this type of irrationality. A prerequisite, though, is that you recognise the issue as a serious problem and stop pandering to those sorts of things, particularly militancy posing as ‘religion’.

            Militant political system like especially Islam should not be recognised as ‘religions’ but treated as the vile political ideologies they are. Apart from that, as long as it is innocent, I don’t really care what kind of mental junk people consume.

          • mohdanga

            Did Christian missionaries slaughter those who refused to accept Christianity? And if they it surely has been roundly condemned and apologize for umpteen times. No such apologies forthcoming from the religion of peace.

          • Bonkim

            Those who dare survive I suppose. Check out history of the Spanish Inquisition and atrocities carried out in Asia/the Americas by the Jesuits – saying someone killed fewer or apologized for their evil, acts means little – relativism does not work. No one is claiming Islam is barbaric and medieval – but don’t bring comparisons – all social and religious groups in power discriminate those not part of their belief system.

          • mohdanga

            I would venture that far more Jesuits were killed by native Americans than the other way around. As for the Spanish Inquisition: http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/history/world/wh0008.html

            The Inquisition took place 400 years ago, I think Catholicism and Christianity has move on a bit since then, no? And apologized profusely for this.
            3,000 – 5,000 sounds about the casualty rate for a few weeks in Syria and Iraq by ISIS.

          • Bonkim

            Modern weapons of war kill multiples of that feasible using the stake and swords. The principle is the same – regards the Catholic Church apologizing – check out with the boys sexually assaulted by holy fathers or the locations where temples and places of worship were razed to the ground and cathedrals to Holy Mary built – Taliban style. You should look up history of Imperial Rome and its world Empire to understand the havoc done in Asia, Africa and other parts of the world. It may be history but the after burn continues.

          • mohdanga

            Muslims have desecrated and destroyed many Christian and Jewish churches and synagogues, nary a peep about these.
            Now we’re going back 2,000 years to show how bad Christianity was. Do you honestly believe that Catholics/Christians condone this? I was raised a Catholic and never heard any priest preach the destruction/forced conversion of any other faith….you know, love your neighbour, turn the other cheek, all that stuff. And no Catholic condones what a small minority of priest did….if you want your eyes opened do some research into the b*ggery of little boys by Muslims today.

          • Bonkim

            Yes and they are still at it – but all that is of no interest as it is happening far away and to people we have no connection with. Check out what happened/still happens in Catholic run schools in the developing world.

          • Augustus

            And if those casualty figures were Israelis, the media world would just be gloating, or tut-tutting that they asked for it.

          • Damaris Tighe

            The Jesuits actually defended the native americans from the depredations of conquistadors and the rapacious businessmen who came after them.

          • jjjj

            ‘No one is claiming Islam is barbaric and medieval’. Terrorists in the name of Islam are the cause of most of the world’s problems. They have brought shame on Islam.

          • Bonkim

            Islam is still stuck in medieval ignorance – Christianity has reformed and today is no longer the religion of the Bible and few adherents bother anyway. You have to accept Islam for what it is and ignore it – at the same time protect oneself from its evil after-effects.

  • Picquet

    Well said.

  • avi15

    I’m a British Jew and I feel betrayed, nauseated and alone..

    • saffrin

      I’m not surprised. Your cult is deliberately targeting civilians.
      And they say Stalin and Hitler were bad eggs.
      But then what did we expect when we heard they made Tony Bliar peace maker?

      • jjjj

        Cult? Mohammed was a mass murderer and yet it doesn’t stop you worshipping your own cult. Ha ha, he flew to sky in a chariot. What a load of cobblers.

      • avi15

        With so much hate, so much delusion and so few brain cells, you can only be an antisemite.

        • Smith

          I’m so tired of conflict centering around this one little group of affluent people. They are the richest people in the world per capita, and they can’t live without conflict brewing around them constantly? First World War II, now World War III. It won’t end well for the world.

          • avi15

            Another one. Here we go again. First, the canard that Jews are rich, then the not-very-subtle implication that the world’s biggest wars are their fault. Stupid, wrong, bigoted. Why don’t you just crawl back under your rock?

          • Smith

            Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why don’t you go crawl under a rock, Jewish Supremacist scum?

          • avi15

            Anti-Semitic hate speech anyone?

          • sarahsmith232

            Oh grow up, what are you 5yrs old? It’s called free speech and in a society which is supposed to enjoy it involves the use of offensive insults. Normally something that a person past the age of 3yrs old is perfectly capable of dealing with.

          • avi15

            Sorry but racist insults don’t come within that category. You’re just showing your own crass ignorance.

          • jjjj

            While you are of course are vermin. Like a rat running around his mother’s basement. Yuuk.

          • NicoleS

            Mods? Hello?

          • Pelo Nord

            “Supremacist” You don’t need to feel inferior just because you’re not Jewish although you could always convert if it would improve your evidently low self-esteem.

          • jjjj

            Listen neo-Nazi scum. They are watching you through your computer. Take the semen encrusted poster of Hitler because your mum will get a shock. Time to take your meds you swivel eyed loon.

          • NicoleS

            Do we have mods here? Do they allow this kind of comment?

          • jjjj

            Shameful, isn’t it? Pure neo-Nazi propaganda in the Spectator. This country is done for.

        • saffrin

          Speak for yourself. I don’t however believe you are an antisemite.
          Not that that would be a bad thing.
          One only need look at Israel’s attempts to justify themselves.

      • jjjj

        ‘And they say…’ Shows which rock you’ve crawled out of,scum.

  • Cyril Sneer

    Well said Melanie.

  • global city

    She hits the nail on the head in this talk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH6QO9MfaH4

    this is the broader erceptual and intellectual swamp into which the UK has been pushed.

    Speccie contributors have an important role to play in rolling back this sort of idiocy.

    • Damaris Tighe

      Melanie at her best – much better than her article here. On this site I’ve plugged the idea that there is a moral vacuum in this country which Islam fills by recruiting the most vulnerable – but people don’t want to hear it. Get very defensive.

    • Augustus

      Thanks for that. It’s a nest of vipers in this country, and Melanie gets it!

    • jjjj

      ‘Speccie contributors have an important role to play in rolling back this sort of idiocy’

      Er…like the ‘soi disant antisemite’ Taki?

  • tolpuddle1

    Anti-semitism is being fuelled by the tragic situation in Gaza, Melanie.

    Not by “warped and distorted” reporting of that situation – why blame the messengers and the politicians ?

    Therefore – stop the killing of Gazan civilians by the IDF.

    And what about “the knife through the moral heart of Israel” (supposing Israel to possess such an item) ?

    • Augustus

      No, the tragic situation in Gaza is being fuelled by a disgusting strategy of sacrificing one’s own people as cannon fodder for a propaganda war. And it’s worked. It’s the anti-Israel lobby which will have to answer for those victims by supporting these terrorists. A support which is very largely based on a selective hatred of Israel by Muslims and their useful idiots.

      • Damaris Tighe

        You would have thought that the lethal combination of propaganda & useful idiots would have been obvious since western apologists fawned over the USSR in the 1930s.

      • tolpuddle1

        It takes two to tango; the pro-Israel lobby (and its useful idiots) also have blood on their hands.

        Gaza is such a desperately crowded place that any bombardment of it will inevitably lead to many civilian deaths, whether or not Hamas is operating a human shields policy (the jury is out on that one).

        • cartimandua

          Its not “out at all”. Its all over the place including the comments of journos not allowed to report on Hamas and stay alive.

          • tolpuddle1

            It depends on “which” journos, doesn’t it ?

    • NicoleS

      It is Hamas killing its own civilians by placing rocket launchers and tunnels in homes, hospitals, schools. Even with the obfuscations of the BBC, Guardian and co I’d have thought that was plain by now.

      • tolpuddle1

        Hamas doesn’t need to; Gaza is the most densely populated place on earth.

        • NicoleS

          No it isn’t. Lots of cities are more densely populated. See here: http://www.cija.ca/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Infographic-Population-Density.jpg (click to enlarge). Or look at Google earth. You will see that there is plenty of open space to site rocket launchers, but of course that would place Hamas fighters in danger rather than their civilians.

          • tolpuddle1

            And would result in Hamas’ instant defeat. Para-military forces rarely commit hara-kiri and expecting them to do so is pointless.

            Only a Middle East peace deal made over Hamas’ head can put it out of business.

            BTW, Gaza is a coastal settlement, not a city.

        • cartimandua

          And will run out of water unless Hamas is toppled.

    • cartimandua

      Stop reporting it as if it was the only conflict which matters. The death toll is tiny compared to other current conflicts. It has no more to do with Europe than the conflict in Syria or Sudan.

      • tolpuddle1

        We’re often told that Israel – armed by USA and Britain – is our ally, and that we must send young Brits to die defending Israel if necessary.

        These facts don’t apply to Syria or Sudan.

        Though a conflict in any sensitive part of the world (the Holy Land being the most sensitive) is bound to impact on us nowadays and thus to be our business.

        • cartimandua

          I don’t recall anyone at all suggesting we should send Brits to defend Israel although Christianity is decidedly attached to the area Israel looks after.
          In Muslim hands sacred places are just destroyed.

  • mohdanga

    But if a Muslim wearing a tarp is looked at sideways the same politicians/media/academics mount the barricades and call for a stop to ‘Islamaphobia’ and society wide ‘sensitivity training’….
    Got news for ya’ folks….it’s only going to get worse as the UK and Europe keep the floodgates open to these tolerant, 3rd world enrichers whose population is doubling every ten years. Ten years from now the real fireworks start when they hit 10% of the population (officially).
    Haven’t seen officers plods out in the streets arresting these protestors for ‘racial hatred’….now I wonder why that would be?

  • mikewaller

    I would seriously challenge Melanie Phillips to repeat all of the above whilst attached to a lie detector. Of course, the results of such instruments are always questionable, but it is the only way I can think of in which we might get some insight into whether she actually knows that she what she is saying is largely nonsense. I think this a very serious issue because the propensity on the part of so many people of Jewish ethnicity to argue that black is white in support of Israel, is doing very serious damage to their relationship with the wider population.

    To take but one or two examples from her own piece, contra what she has to say, our TV screens have been full of stuff about the appalling happenings in the middle east generally and in the Ukraine and have no doubt that we roundly despise those responsible. Perhaps she would care to check out with any Muslims or Russians she knows concerning the personal impact this has had on them. Then we have the “eternal linkage” between the Jews and what is now Israel. This only works if you accept the land-granting powers of their and the Christian God and the appropriateness of his enabling them to displace the Canaanites. Regarding her hope that British political leaders will speak out more strongly in favour of Israel, she really ought to understand that up and down the country, people are sick to death at the kind of pussy-footing those leaders adopt in NOT criticising Israel. Regarding Hamas hiding weapons amongst the population, what are they supposed to do? Stand out in open ground and have the one of the most sophisticated military forces in the world blow them to smithereens? All terror/revolutionary movements conceal themselves in the general population e.g. The Stern Gang.

    The simple uncontestable fact is that the Palestinians were driven from their own land by a deeply committed force who are largely alone in believing in their unequivocal right to do so. All that said, Europeans and Americans, having witnessed and, in some instances, been party to the horrors inflicted on the Jews in the 1930s and 1940s, are not likely to sit idly by if another attempted extermination looks likely. However, our willingness to make the kinds of sacrifices that would entail, is not likely to be encourage by displays of relentless destruction and murder backed up with the kind of nonsense Ms Phillips would have us swallow.

    • jjjj

      Here are the ‘uncontestable facts’: Jews had lived in Palestina (Roman name) in an unbroken chain since Roman times. The Jews for time immemorial had yearned for Palestine. See the poetry of the Spanish Jews in Medieval times. Jerusalem was the apple of the Jews’ eye. The Muslims when they conquered Palestine left it because it was worthless in their eyes. The Jews who emigrated brought with them irrigation techniques and capital. They drained swamps and introduced modernisation to Palestine. All the great powers allowed the Jews to go to Palestine for their own agendas. Jews revived Palestine which as various visitors testified, was a backwater. Land was sold by the inhabitants to the Jews who paid good prices for the land. But of course many Arabs were not Zionist! They lost every war they launched against the Jews. Some were exiled others fled. This is undeniable. The two state solution is the only equitable plan. But terror against Jews must be eradicated and the Israelis will have to make serious sacrifices for the sake of co-existence.

      • mikewaller

        Spain was in Muslim hands for far longer than it has subsequently been in Christian hands. They considered it a demi-paradise and still deeply mourn its loss. Does that mean that even if (for the sake of argument), they could demonstrably make a greater economic success of the country than do its present inhabitants, the world should stand by and watch them drive a large part of the Christian population into an arid corner? I don’t think so.

        What Israel and its supporters are trying to do is impose is a Sri Lankan solution on the situation: totally crush the enemy and then do what the Hell you like thereafter. Trouble is the numbers are all wrong. That was achievable, for example, in the Americas and Australasia were the local populations were simply swamped out. It won’t happen in the Middle East as there are just too many Palestinians with too many friends; and the more killing and mass destruction that goes on, the more and more impossible a mutual compromise becomes. What amazes me is that a people rightly famed for their aggregate intelligence can be so appallingly stupid.

        • jjjj

          If the people famed for their ‘aggregate’ intelligence were so clever then they would have realised that Hitler was serious and more of an effort to get out. But then, if they had been cleverer, they would have realised that actually no one wanted them alive, dead was better. So guess what? They became clever and realised that they can’t rely on anyone except themselves because if they allowed themselves to listen to the idiots and morons rewriting their history, they would indeed by appallingly stupid. Of course, they are cleverer than the useful idiots who can’t see that a cult is out to dominate them and to enslave them which it can’t yet because it doesn’t have the numbers. So in the meantime that people does what it can.

          That said, the settlers on the West bank will have to leave in any peace agreement.

          • mikewaller

            As a matter of fact, people of Jewish ancestry have routinely done better than comparable groups in IQ tests [although, very worryingly for the West, several major Asian ethnicities are their match].

            With regard Hitler and the Holocaust, I think a central problem was that the Jews could not believe for a long time that anybody would be so stupid as to eliminate such a talented element of the population. After all, if the psychopathic fool had not turned his back on “Jewish physics” he could have had the A bomb well before the West.

            However, given what happened, I think your analysis is perfectly correct and Zionism therefore adopted the philosophy of violent Irish nationalism: Sinn Fein = Ourselves Alone. Trouble is, the chosen land is so located that they simply cannot do it on their own and are massively reliant on US support. This, of course, racks up Muslim antagonism to the West with Israel fulfilling for militant Islam much the same function as Bloody Sunday did in respect of the IRA.

            I am not convinced that there is a way out. But if there is, I believe it lies in Israel giving up its atavistic beliefs in being a special people chosen by God to occupy a specific piece of real estate. Frankly such ideas just serve to piss off most everybody else. The need is to recognize that in spite of the appalling barbarism of sizable elements in many Arab countries throughout the Middle East that brings very real shame on their religion, the Palestinians have a very strong case and substantial ground- in both senses – needs to be yielded to them

          • jjjj

            Your reading of History is at variance with the facts. After 1967, Israel offered its hand in peace to its enemies. The response was the ‘Khartoum 3 noes’. Unfortunately, hubris set in and the result was the ’73 war. Yet, from this war came the peace agreement with Egypt. Syria continued its rejectionist attitude.

            Your claim about ‘a special people chosen by God etc.’ is indeed held by a segment of the population by not the majority. But yes, they are a problem. meanwhile, the antisemitism and vileness of Israel’s neighbours is a larger problem.

          • mikewaller

            My reading of Egyptian acquiescence is that it was bought with American gold of which the principle beneficiaries were the officer class. How many times that kind of arrangement is going to be possible, who knows? As I have argued elsewhere, I believe Israel is never going to be welcome presence in the Middle East and the guarantors of its long-term survival will always lie outside that region. It is therefore very, very stupid to piss them off with such a massive display of destruction. The killing of hundreds of Palestinians to secure the release of one Israeli soldier who, it turns out, was already dead and probably killed by “friendly” fire. really is the last straw.

        • cartimandua

          They have to crush Hamas because the water is going to run out in just a few years.
          It all HAS to be peaceful enough for open borders and economic advancement.
          Of course if they keep oppressing women and having shed loads of kids Palestine will always be a nasty violent hell.

    • cartimandua

      The lead story is always Gaza. It has zip to do with us and just encourages Hamas to get more kids killed.

  • saffrin

    So tell me what this fight is about again.
    Something to do with who has the longest foreskin?

  • Augustus

    The more children are killed, the happier it makes Hamas. Hamas runs the war entirely for the media. The more child soldiers lose their lives, the happier those leaders are. And to think that some people actually predicted that Hamas would turn into a peaceful political organization.

    In Afghanistan the Taliban executed a bus full of party-goers on their way to a wedding recently, all of them were killed in a cruel way. ISIS has also been busy in recent weeks showing images of executions of a number of Shiites. Two weeks ago a Taliban bomb exploded killing 89 citizens. In Libya hundreds are being slaughtered in a civil war between tribes and political groups. And in Syria already 170,000 citizens have been killed. Amongst all that violence there’s another war between Hamas and Israel. There civilians are also being killed. But this conflict draws more attention, and produces more emotion and finger-wagging in the West than all those other conflicts and killings put together. And we all know why: Because of the Jews. If no Jews were involved, but Kurds or Persians at war with Hamas, we’d all be getting images from Libya, or Syria, or Iraq instead.

    • cartimandua

      Well its probably because journos can safely report it all from nice hotels.
      Reporting the other stuff would be actually dangerous and couldn’t be blamed on anyone else but the Muslims murdering people.

  • Jack Pakuntski

    Hamas, the whole world is at one with your Holy quest. End the evil as quickly as you can.

    • Augustus

      Yes, it’s all written in the Koran, isn’t it? Mustn’t let our brothers down, must we? And all those deaths in Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen…..don’t count, do they?

      • jjjj

        Jackie boy is either: a convert to Islam, a fake poster or a neo-Nazi. Or he’s trying to be funny…

      • jjjj

        Not to mention the girls in Nigeria Boko Scum; The stonings in Pakistan; the grooming of girls here in England. The list never ends.

  • In2minds

    It’s all very well Melanie Phillips citing the oaf John Prescott for his anti-semitic views but the last edition of the Spectator had Taki spouting the same rubbish!

  • jjjj

    I wish that Hamas would recognise the sorrow they are causing their own people. Why can’t they learn to live in peace. It seems they prefer spending the billions they received to make Gaza flourish, on building terror tunnels. A shame.

    • cartimandua

      Because they are a Mafia and they live well on the backs of suffering civilians.
      Dead kids are fine Hamas propaganda.

  • disqus_JXTaH3N9kU

    As I suspected: an article that discusses Israel attracts more comments than every other article in the magazine put together. I’m no particular fan of Melanie Phillips but she is right to point up the fact of the huge hatred of jews that still exists in this country and the rest of the world.

    • TimboX

      As can be witnessed by the raving, frothing at the mouth Far Left fascist Jew-haters on this very thread!

      • jjjj

        I agree but it’s reasonable to assume that some of them are from the extreme Right too.

        • TimboX

          After reading a lot of these posts they are nearly always from the left though. Although, yes there is a minority from the right. You can tell them apart though.

          In my experience from this website, the left are always apologists and moral relativists, while the few from the right seem to be caught up in strange conspiracy theories. Check this thread for some disturbing examples of both cases.

          • jjjj

            Fair enough, but honestly, it is very difficult to tell them apart re conspiracy theories. Many are also Islamists posing with ‘clean’ monikers. There are also neo-Nazis as I encountered some of them two years ago. But I agree, in a minority,

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    “See, nobody cares about the Jews.”
    Remember that punchline?

  • Holenewman

    “Hostility to Zionism means hostility to Jews” Utter nonsense!

  • cartimandua

    Everytime the news “leads” with this conflict I turn it off. War porn about a war which is nothing to do with us merely encourages Hamas to get more people killed.
    Israel needs to topple Hamas before the water runs out.

  • Richard Eldritch

    Oh bog off to Israel Mel. We’re tired of both sides, a plague on you of both.

  • davidr

    Justwhat is tis ‘anti-semitism’? In linguistics and ethnology, Semitic (from the Biblical “Shem”, Hebrew: שם‎, translated as “name”) was first used to refer to a language family of West Asian origin, now called the Semitic languages. This family includes the ancient and modern forms of Ahlamu, Akkadian(Assyrian-Babylonian), Amharic, Ammonite, Amorite, Arabic, Aramaic/Syriac, Canaanite (Phoenician/Carthaginian/Hebrew), Chaldean,Eblaite, Edomite, Ge’ez, Maltese, Mandaic, Moabite, Sutean, Tigre and Tigrinya, and Ugaritic, among others.

    So why are the Jews so touchy about it?

    • jjjj

      Antisemitism was coined in the 19th century and refers to the Jews. Don’t be an ignoramus all your life, read a book.

      • davidr

        Perhaps it was coined in the 19th century, but it was coined incorrectly, in the same way that ‘Heinous’ i more often than not pronounced ‘Henious’ and in the same way ‘apparently’ is misused etc. etc.

        I can only assume that you are a Jew and an ignorant one at that.

        Books? I have hundreds of history books lying around, all read. The latest one being, The Invention of the Land of Israel, by Shlomo Sand who was in younger days conscripted into the IDF.

        It isn’t kind to the Jews.

        • jjjj

          You moron. You suggest that only Jews can point out the provenance of the term ‘antisemitism’. Just shows up your racism. At least we know who we are dealing with here. Keep on reading David Icke, that’s about your level.

          Shlomo Sand has an opinion and it has been rebutted comprehensively

          • davidr

            I’m pointing out that Jews cry out, ‘anti-semitism’ at any chance they have, when they, (and other denominations), don’t know what it really means.

            Moron? Hardly. I have an informed opinion and you don’t like it.

            Racist? Hardly. I married a beautiful girl from India, back in 1989.

            David Icke? Hardly. Try the University of St. Andrews libraries.

            I believe you’re rather irked. Try to keep your lid on. Any chink in your armour and the whole world quickly sees you as a moron. Just relax and debate. In with anger; out with love.

        • Damaris Tighe

          It doesn’t matter that the word ‘antisemite’ is clumsy. It means what it means according to common usage & all except those who want to make an extremely pedantic & obscure point know that it means.

          Displaying your erudite knowledge of the eastern & western semitic language families doesn’t change this one jot.

          Why not campaign instead to have the word ‘gay’ revert to its original meaning?

          • davidr

            Actually, it does matter. If you read my original post, Arabs are included in the semite languages. In this respect, it is actually very important. There is no room for colloquialism when debates such as these carry a good amount of gravity.

  • Pat Conway

    Netanyahu to Obama administration: Don’t second guess me again on Hamas. Touchy touchy Netanyahu. Who does he think he is? Of course Israel didn’t want to go to Egypt for talks. Israel would rather continue its bombardment of the civilian population of Gaza.

  • gulberwick

    So, Mel, anti-Zionist Jews… are they self-hating in *your* eyes? I think they possess two characteristics you will never possess: empathy and compassion.

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    You have to admire Israel’s ability to get the shills out. Anti-Semitism followed by Holocaust survivor assuming the manual is followed.

    • jjjj

      Jack, you are one of the resident antisemites on these threads. You may be able to fool the newcomers, not those who have had put up with your crap for years.

  • KWB

    “As much as the world should strongly and unambiguously condemn such acts of anti-Semitism, to focus on a “second Holocaust” is to ignore the actual reason why anti-Semitism has today reared its ugly head again. It is not because of some essential, primordial racism against Jews. It is because of the actions of the state of Israel in staging a brutal, prolonged attack on the Palestinian people that is replete with violations of human rights and international law. That Hamas has also committed attacks on civilians does not erase the fact that Israel’s violence violates basic international humanitarian laws regarding proportionality”. Palumbo-Liu

  • lilly valley

    The scenes in Gaza are extremely upsetting and the people are living in a huge pile of rubble. Children are screaming and dying and being injured and all this obsessed woman can talk about is anti-semitism. It’s just me, me, me with some people. Whiiiine.

    • jjjj

      Israeli men, women and children are also dying and have died due to Islamic suicide bombings, mortar fire, rockets. Hamas has taken the population of Gaza captive and Gaza now needs to be given hope that it is free of Hamas.

  • pole

    “What our leaders would say [do] if they really cared about defending Britain’s Jews”
    Im answering:
    1. never talk about civilians being attacked
    2. not mentioning any UN centres or hospitals being bombed
    3. always supporting political line of Israel, without daring to question
    4. condemning not only Hamas but also all Palestinians
    5. supporting financial help for Israel, including shipments of new bombs
    6. denying access to financial support for Palestinians (they might buy arms!)
    will it do?

  • Bonkim

    Defending British Jews – the law should act ruthlessly against anyone acting to foment civil conflict in Britain. But it is not Cameron’s job to get involved in the Israel/Hamas war over which he has no control. Pious words will mean little and Israel/Hamas will ignore any appeals from Britain or others. This is a fight to the bitter end.

    Israel would like to see Hamas broken, and its ability to wage war destroyed. Given the disgraceful ways Hamas is using Gaza’s civilian population to attack Israel, and is totally irresponsible about the safety of the Palestinians – hope Israel finishes its job soon. Hamas has no right to represent Gaza’s residents.

    • jjjj

      The problem is also with the increasingly sizable element of people on these boards and in public opinion who are openly supporting Hamas with pure Jew hatred. This board is infested with such people (I would like to call them something else but sick people should be pitied). It is they who give Hamas and Jihadists the feeling that they should continue with terror.

      • Pat Conway

        We dare not criticise Israel or you will be spouting Jew hatred or anti semite. We get it.

        • jjjj

          Not at all. Not all criticism of Israel is antisemitic. Just like not all criticism of Hamas or Islam is ‘Islamophobic’. I am myself a critic of Israeli policy towards the Palestinians. But when the Holocaust is flung back in peoples’ faces by those that simply have no idea what the Holocaust was like (only those that were there know) then it is antisemitic.

          • Damaris Tighe

            Exactly. I would only add that it makes it very difficult to criticise Israeli government policy when you know it’s going to be used to attack a whole people.

          • Bonkim

            Separate Jews from israel and you will not have any problem. Israel as a country is carrying out war-crimes but Jews particularly in Britain have nothing to do with that although supporting the concept of Israel’s right to exist and not be attacked by Hamas or others.

            David Miliband has come out with the right balance.

      • Bonkim

        Israel is no agngel – and not everything it does is praiseworthy. The present government is ultra-nationalistic similar to the Nazis in pre-WW2 Germany. It has sabotaged all previous peace negotiations instead of acting sensitively and intelligently.

        • Damaris Tighe

          “similar to the Nazis in pre-WW2 Germany”. You see this is just where sensible dialogue about Israel becomes impossible. The present Israeli government is a coalition spanning left of centre parties that want a peace agreement asap, through to a very nasty ultra-nationalistic party. This is what happens under PR. Attempts to introduce ultra-nationalist legislation have been defeated. Netanyahu himself cannot by any stretch of the imagination be called an ultra-nationalist although I can understand why those British who’ve long since abandoned any pretence of defending British interests might think him so.

          Israel is a liberal democracy. The Nazi government in pre-WW2 Germany implemented racial laws & a totalitarian state. When you use hyperbole like this it just plays into the hands of unbalanced Israel haters.

          • Bonkim

            Doubt if you can call the settlers building on occupied land and wanting Greater Israel with Judea and Samaria can be called anything but bigoted racists. Also check out the inter-marriage rates in Israels and amongst Jews in general – Whilst many liberal intellectuals have come out from within Jewish people most because of an underlying social ethos such as that provided in the USSR or those that were exiled and came out of their group and were able to think laterally and recognize the unfairness of the human condition and deep-seated prejudices that bind people.

            The concept of a land for Jews itself is a racist ideology – no different from the concept of the German Folk and their destiny.

            The problem is that whenever a human group achieves dominance its main premise is that they are superior, and exclusively blessed.

            Hamas is blatantly bigoted and seeped in Islam of the worst kind not acceptable to our modern concepts of civilization – but the Jews that have contributed so much to human achievements and thought ought to know better than to behave the same as the Nazis did to them and to many others in the conquered lands.

          • Damaris Tighe

            Have you been drinking this lunchtime? The concept of the nation state was developed in the 19th century as a way of empowering the disenfranchised masses of the European empires by giving them national parliaments. Zionism as the self-determination movement of the Jewish people came out of this tradition. Most of Europe’s nation states come from this tradition as do the many national liberation movements in the third world. The international community still sanctions new nation states based on this tradition.

          • Bonkim

            No problem Israel or any other setting up their nation state – and in history such states are usually created by wars and revolutions. I have no problem accepting that Israel was found through violence and taking land from the previous inhabitants and that the colonial masters of the time found it convenient to do so.

            I also have no problem accepting that wars are barbaric, indiscriminate and silly to rationalise these events along any moral high principles.

            As long that is recognized and that Israelis are good at justifying their barbarity and that Hamas a nominally terrorist organisation and incompetent to govern or look after Gaza and its people I have no problem as an observer of the carnage taking at a place I have no interest in. Total waste of time taking sides in the foolish venture.

  • davidr

    Why is it that the Jewish entity ALWAYS brings up the holocaust? That was some seventy years ago! Nobody likes a whinger. The pogroms in Poland are always slipped in too. We all know what happened in Nazi Germany. We’re tired of hearing about it.

    You all have a nice, big lump of Palestinian land and it looks like you’ll be increasing this by adding Gaza to it. You should all be very happy.

    • jjjj

      Jewish ‘entity’? Better than your ilk’s ‘Ummah’…For someone who protests that ‘antisemitism’ should not mean hatred of Jews, it appears that you need to read a bit more about the Holocaust. Because with people like you around, we need to ensure that it won’t happen again.

      Sharon withdrew from Gaza to the last square metre. What did Israel get? Death and destruction.

      There never was a Palestinian state in history. You and your ilk will sadly ensure that Palestinians will not receive justice.

      • davidr

        Your not getting it, are you? The word was ‘coined’. Your words, not mine. It means exactly what it is.

        In linguistics and ethnology, Semitic (from the Biblical “Shem”, Hebrew: שם‎, translated as “name”) was first used to refer to a language family of West Asian origin, now called the Semitic languages. This family includes the ancient and modern forms of Ahlamu, Akkadian(Assyrian-Babylonian), Amharic, Ammonite, Amorite, Arabic, Aramaic/Syriac, Canaanite (Phoenician/Carthaginian/Hebrew), Chaldean,Eblaite, Edomite, Ge’ez, Maltese, Mandaic, Moabite, Sutean, Tigre and Tigrinya, and Ugaritic, among others.

        As language studies are interwoven with cultural studies, the term also came to describe the extended cultures and ethnicities, as well as the history of these varied peoples as associated by close geographic and linguistic distribution. Today, the word “Semite” may be used to refer to any member of any of a number of peoples of ancient Southwestern Asia descent including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews (Jews), Arabs, and their descendants

        • jjjj

          Semite yes. Antisemite refers to hatred of the Jews. You of course want to deny that the Jewish ‘entity’ in your words suffers from it.

        • Damaris Tighe

          Check you dictionary – antisemite means anti-Jew. It may be a clumsy term but it was coined in the 19th century & that’s the way it is. Displaying your erudite knowledge of the eastern & western semitic language families doesn’t make any difference to conventional usage of the term.

      • davidr

        “Because with people like you around, we need to ensure that it won’t happen again”

        Do you realise just how serious your statement is?

        • jjjj

          Not sure what that was supposed to mean, entity known as ‘davidr’.

  • Patriccia Shaw

    And this is what Ed Miliband should be saying: ‘I am horrified, not just because of the resurgence of the madness from which my own family so grievously suffered in the Holocaust, but also because we on the left bear no small responsibility for this current obscenity.

    • jjjj

      ‘but also because we on the left bear no small responsibility for this current obscenity.’

      The obscenity of rising antisemitism and attacks on people who have no connection whatsoever to the campaign to eradicate the terror gang known as Hamas.

    • Augustus

      Do you really think Miliband would be so stupid as to mention the Holocaust and risk upsetting his Muslim voters? It’s only sad people like you who need to bring that subject up, time and time again, in order to vent your contempt and disdain for the inhabitants of Israel.

      • Bonkim

        Muslims have no view on the Holocaust – they did not take part in that.

        Jewish communities were more secure in Islamic lands than in Europe. The founding of Israel on their land alter perception and undermined their natural hospitality for strangers in their midst.

      • Jay

        Augustus – projection much? It’s only ‘sad people’ like you – and Phillips – who need to bring the subject of ‘The Holocaust’ up, time and time again, in order to ‘vent your contempt and disdain’ (and shrieking paranoia) towards anyone who condemns Israel’s war crimes. Who condemns Israel’s ongoing murder and attempted genocide of a captive people.
        What Israel is doing is evil. What kind of creatures are you? that you can defend the maiming/murder of children? The “lynch mob mentality” is coming from the thousands of Israeli soldiers who are killing the Gazans. Look at who is actually killing who, before you succumb to the usual Zionist-induced paranoia Phillips and co. have been peddling for decades. And they continue to try and peddle it even as – especially as – the Israelis murder and maim the Gazans. Do you have children? Imagine them in Gaza. Who has the most chance of survival? A Jew in Paris, or a Muslim in Gaza? I’ll leave you all to wallow in your paranoia; in your insane self-righteousness. In your excuses for evil.

        • Augustus

          “Zionist-induced paranoia”?

          That sounds more like a Hamas official talking than a member of the British public. Perhaps you are one of their mouthpieces. Have you even thought about what Hamas has actually been doing? Provoking Israeli citizens for years with increasingly sophisticated rocket fire with the express intention of blowing up any inhabitants and their properties living there. What kind of creatures are they who do that? They even wilfully use their own citizens, a large percentage of whom are children, as body counts to win a victim war. What Israel is doing is fighting a war, and wars are by their nature evil and bloody things. If they had any sense they would now use the military to ensure that no terrorist group re-arms with deadly missiles, or rebuilds tunnels ever again. Then the residents of that particular border state will be much better off in the future than they would be if Hamas was allowed to start the cycle of violence all over again. Israel is in the business of looking after its national and strategic interests, not sympathy from international public opinion.

  • tolpuddle1

    It is sad that anxiety leads Melanie Phillips to
    – suggest that British politicians should, in effect, become ventriloquist’s dummies for the Israel lobby (as many American politicians already are), spouting her opinions, many of which they do not share
    – lead her to soft-pedal the death and destruction that has been inflicted on Palestinian civilians, with the much more tragic damage (as a result) to the hearts and minds of those who, like Melanie, support Israeli policy
    – to applaud policies that will inevitably make Israel even more insecure.

  • global city

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/07/what_does_hamas_want.html

    Follow the links for their own uncontested words.

  • Liza Jones

    Before you can stand something on its head you have to have an accurate understanding of the matter in the first place. The Jews have inhabited the area known as Palestine since the Bronze Age. If you use the principle of First Nations then they have a very solid claim to that part of the country. As for Arabs, they originated in the Saudi Peninsula (Arabia), so 1. they came from another place, and, 2. if you want to throw in the idea of Israeli “expansionism” around then you have to explain away Arab/Muslim imperialism. Vast swaths of land in the Middle East and North Africa, and for a time southern Spain, were invaded by Arabs and who dominated the indigenous people. So you need to readjust your understanding of what you refer to as “Muslim lands”
    As for your analogy with the situation in Northern Ireland, again, your “facts” are really suppositions. There is no comparison between the goals of the IRA and the Arabs. The IRA did begin with a demand for a united Ireland because under Protestant domination Catholics were denied civil rights to education, job opportunities and a political voice in the Unionist monopoly government. Violent resistance was the only alternative at the time. Mother England had no concern for her Catholic subjects in Northern Ireland and either knew nothing or cared less about their plight. The resistance movement started as a civil rights movement a la Martin Luther King, and it was the Protestant side that drew first blood, stoning protestors at a peaceful march at Burntollet Bridge, near Derry. As a former Northern Irish Catholic, I can tell you that no one in the Catholic community wanted death and annihilation for Protestants, and had England acted immediately to extend equal rights and due process of law to the Catholic community the Troubles would never have begun. As for Catholics having to accept they have lost and claim allegiance to England-hardly. They won civil rights and in comparison to their Protestant counterparts, have a better educated community, if you look at the stats. They also now have processes in place that may in time, through political means, result in a united Ireland. As a British subject born in Northern Ireland, I now have the legal right to carry an Irish passport. A lot has been achieved that enabled Catholics to participate positively in their communities. But would Arabs settle for living equally alongside Israel? Yet in Israel Arabs have civil rights–educational opportunities, work and political representation in the Knesset and perhaps most importantly they have due process of law under a democratic government—the only democratic government in the Middle East. That fact alone is why Israel must be defended.

  • mahatmacoatmabag

    Miliband, Cameron & Clegg , leaders of the Lib-Lab-Con hegemony are only united in two things – kowtowing to the Arab oil states & getting a bigger share of the UK’s ever increasing Muslim voting bloc.
    what does sacrificing Britains 230,000 Jews mean to them compared to the 3 million votes of the UK’s 5 million Muslims at the next G.E. ?

  • PickledOnion

    Brilliant article Melanie.

    No chance of any of our political leaders saying anything like this for fear of offending the Islamists. With a global 100 Muslims to every Jew and a UK ratio of 12 to 1 we are a side show and our well being doesn’t count.

  • Jay

    Just change everything in Phillip’s article the other way around: for ‘Jew’ put ‘Gazan’, and you’ll be closer to the truth. Philip’s screeching hysteria; her attempts to invoke ‘The Holocaust’, are all part of an ongoing, shameless, Zionist rhetoric
    that’s been around for decades, now.

    Israel has been let off, literally, with murder. With flouting international law. No other country – apart from America (funny, that) – has got off with so much evil, over the years. Like the vampires they are, they cannot have an honest reflection of themselves. And the media reflects their own valuation of themselves. So to complain the media is ‘against’ Israel, is so far from the obvious truth, it is – genuinely – laughable.

    The lack of humanity shown here for the Palestinians; the ‘excuses’ for the murder of almost two thousand civilians, is disgusting. You wail about a Jewish woman allegedly being pushed around; yet you try to excuse the murder of many other women in Gaza. Women who, if not killed, are maimed; are seeing their children maimed and killed by Israel. ‘Oh, no, it’s all ‘Hamas’s’ fault.’ Clearly, the Israelis are just helpless puppets in Hamas’s evil grip. Clearly, there’s just NO WAY they could have got rid of the ‘weapons’, or the ‘tunnels’, or whatever the excuse now being used for war crimes is, by any other means than by firebombing women and children. It’s not as if they’re trying to get rid of Gaza once and for all (genocide). It’s not as if they’re publishing an article, in the Israeli Times, say, as to why genocide might be ‘necessary’.

    What is it going to take for you all to shake off the Zionist narrative, and see the truth?

    Clearly, decades of Israel’s land theft; invasion; murder and the flouting of international law means nothing to you. Nor does the mass firebombing of a captive people, which kills thousands. How many Israelis have been killed by the rockets fired by Gaza? And how many Gazans have been killed by Israeli bombs; Israeli soldiers?

    If I gave you the forced choice: you HAVE to go to one of them – Israel or Gaza, to survive – your rhetoric of ‘victim Israel’ would come to a screeching halt as the realities came through. The Israelis are the aggressors; the evil, here, and most of the world can see it.

    Your acceptance of the murder of a captive people is disgusting. Your attempts to make Israel seem the victim; your lack of acknowledgement of the destruction the West has wrought on some Arab countries, including Iraq, gives the lie to any attempt you make to scramble up onto the moral ‘high’ ground (over an ocean of blood). You are trying to ‘defend’ ongoing mass murder. You are trying to make the
    victims the perpetrators, and vice-versa.

    And your attempted whitewashing of the manipulated ‘revolution’ in the Ukraine, and the scapegoating of Russia – well, it’s just par for the course. Lies and
    manipulation seem to be all you know.

    Why don’t you attempt to catch a brief glimpse of humanity in maybe the
    only way you know how, and imagine that the Gazans are actually Jewish, and the
    Israelis are actually the Nazis. And THEN see if you can sick up the usual excuses.
    You are a disgrace to humanity. Palestinian children are now living in a charnel house, thanks to Israel, and all you can do is howl: ‘The Israelis are always the victims.’ You can lie and lie and lie all you want. You can call the murderers the victims all you want. At the end of the day, it reflects only upon you. (Can’t avoid that reflection forever, no matter how much Zionist propaganda; how many lies and inversions of reality, you fling around.)

    Civilised people do not try to defend the ongoing genocide and murder of a captive people. So I guess none of you are civilised people with honesty and compassion and a real wish for peace. And none of you care that Muslim children are being murdered/maimed/bereaved in the hundreds by the Israelis, right now. You prefer the self-righteous, lying, fear-mongering propaganda to the truth about who is actually dying.
    If you have children: imagine them in Gaza, now.

  • Mrs Josephine Hyde-Hartley

    Melanie tells us “Every time Israel takes military action to prevent further Palestinian attacks, it is falsely presented as the aggressive persecutor of the innocent.”

    When did Israel properly declare war on Gaza? Every time Israel barges into its next door neighbours land ( or indeed affects any kind of untoward advance), it’s trespassing.

    The notion that military action – even military action that is enhanced surgically – can prevent something that hasn’t happened anyway – is some kind of misappropriation, surely. This is not a time of war – or a time for war.

    It’s wrong to use military forces directly against ordinary members of any general public.

    • cartimandua

      Soo the Hamas mafia get to do what they like? They already kill and maim anyone not doing what they are told.

  • Richard

    Mercifully neither the Prime Minister or the Leader of the Opposition have taken this deluded advice. Presumably the author believes the Secretary General of the United Nations, the US State Dept. and the British Foreign Secretary all to be anti-Semitic.

  • Dave Rowlands

    What a load of utter rubbish. Anti-semitism is a despicable thing – as is any form of discrimination – however this article really won’t help the cause.

    • jjjj

      It’s a brilliant article.

  • Mrs Josephine Hyde-Hartley

    I suppose the Christian perspective on all of this trouble can’t help but remember the Lord’s prayer ie ..forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us..

    So what are we to think about this so-called Israeli ” buffer zone” ie the one that is reaching 3km into Gaza? Without proper accountability and responsibility to all those affected by this high-tech excuse for trespassing ( including the ordinary members of the public as we exist on all sides) this buffer-zone vehicle needs clamping, I think.

  • Gentleman Jim Crow

    Oy gevalt, do the world’s most disproportionately powerful group ever get tired of playing the pity card?

    • cartimandua

      Then Muslims could just stop breeding like rabbits.

  • BoiledCabbage

    Sorry Melanie, Dave needs the islamic vote. A lot of stuff will have to be swept under the carpet.

  • rubes love

    I was there until the old, everything is Britain’s fault, card was played: ‘I acknowledge that colonial Britain’s betrayal of its legal obligation to settle the Jews in their historic homeland and its appeasement of their Arab persecutors lie at the core of the Middle East conflict and stoked the Jew-hatred we now see erupting again.’

  • global city

    Where’s the rage by ‘Dave does God’ over this ongoing issue?

    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4572/christian-exodus-islamic-world

  • Amon Duul

    The real anti Semitism is in Israel.

    in his column in Haaretz, Levy has long since banged the drum for greater Israeli empathy towards the suffering of the Palestinians. He is a well known commentator on the left, and one of the few prepared to stick his head above the parapet. Consequently, he is no stranger to opposition from the right. But this time it is different. Yariv Levin, coalition chairman of the Likud-Beytenu faction in the Knesset, recently called for him to be put on trial for treason – a crime which, during wartime, is punishable by death.

    “It is time we stop regarding despicable phenomena like this with tolerance,” Levin said of Levy. Soon after that interview Eldad Yaniv, a former political adviser to ex-prime minister Ehud Barack, wrote on his Facebook page: “The late Gideon Levy. Get used to it.”

  • cartimandua

    Muslims breed like rabbits because they treat women like livestock. Men prefer to fight to the death rather than mention the lack of wisdom in overpopulating a tiny arid region.

  • WillielomanIII

    Great writing from Melanie. Unfortunately racist Jew hating is a disease that most of the islamic world is infected with and cannot be stopped unless the diseased people are quarantined or eradicated. Just a fact. And the Western media like CNN, MSNBC, NY Times, USA Today, CBS, ABC even some like Shep Smith on Foxnews are part of the PR campaigned supporting the racist islamists genocidal war on the Jews

  • Amon Duul
  • Mike E

    Brilliant article with so many truths. Which makes it just so much more painful that these truths are never heard or seen in the main stream media.

  • Jewish resettlement in the Land of Israel, including Gaza, Judea and Samaria, exist as of right and are completely in accordance with international law. In
    fact, it is the repeated attempts to prevent Jewish resettlement that is in
    violation of international law, as per the San Remo Agreement and its
    confirmation by the 1920 Treaty of Sevres.

    The Mandate for Palestine, set out by the League of Nations and
    later enshrined in the United Nations, set out the right for Jews to settle in
    the entire Land of Israel. The legally binding document was conferred on April 24, 1920 at the San Remo Conference,
    and its terms outlined in the Treaty of Sèvres on August 10, 1920. The
    Mandate’s terms were finalized and unanimously approved on July 24, 1922, by
    the Council of the League of Nations,
    which was comprised at that time of 51 countries,4 and became operational on September 29, 1923. The Mandate clearly distinguishes between political rights for Jews and civil and religious rights for non-Jews. Article 2 of the “Mandate for Palestine” explicitly states that the Mandatory should: “… be responsible
    for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic
    conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish National Home, as
    laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions,
    and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants
    of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.” At no time in the Mandate document are the Arabs referred as a people, or given
    the right for a country within the boundaries of Palestine set
    aside for a Jewish National Home. The Arabs were given 21 Arab States.

    The claim that Israel is some sort of Holocaust consolation prize to assuage the guilt of Europeans completely disappears when one considers that this document was internationally ratified 30 years before World War Two and explicitly states that Jewish settlement exists by right and not sufferance. The preamble to the text
    states: “Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical
    connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds
    for reconstituting their national home in that country.” In
    other words, the soon to be established Jewish state derives its legitimacy
    from the fact that the two previous Jewish commonwealths existed in the Land of Israel, and that it is the birthplace of the Jewish people. Surrendering any inch of this land to a foreign power is a betrayal of the ancient Jewish ties to the land,
    and to terms set forth by the Mandator document.

    The document, valid until this very day according to international law, sets out that “The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of
    other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate
    Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall
    encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article
    4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and
    waste lands not required for public purposes.” The document does not take into account the existence of any “Palestinian Arab” people and does not distinguish in any way between central Israel, the Galilee, Negev, Judea, Samaria or Gaza. The
    policy of denying Jews the right to settle in Judea and Samaria
    simply by virtue of their being Jewish is a blatantly anti-semitic policy, one
    completely illegal. As Yehuda Z. Blum, Israeli ambassador to the UN,
    explained: “A corollary of the inalienable right of the Jewish people to its
    Land is the right to live in any part of Eretz Yisrael, including Judea and
    Samaria and the East bank of the Jordan river, which are an
    integral part of Eretz Yisrael. Jews are not foreigners anywhere in the Land of Israel. Anyone who asserts that it is illegal for a Jew to live in Judea and Samaria just because he is a Jew, is in fact advocating a concept that is disturbingly reminiscent of the ‘Judenrein’ policies of Nazi Germany banning Jews from certain spheres of life for no other reason than that they were Jews. The Jewish
    villages in Judea, Samaria, Golan Heights and the Gaza district are there as
    of right and are there to stay.”

    Zionism has become a very dirty word recently.
    Jews must stand up and say that Zionism, supporting the right to Jewish
    self-determination in the entire Land of Israel, and
    its practical applications such as resettlement and rebuilding, is the national
    liberation movement of the Jewish people. Anyone who opposes Zionism is an
    anti-semite because he denies Jews the right of self-determination which is
    accorded to all other peoples. Whenever somebody ignorantly repeats the slander about “illegal settlements” or “outposts”, he must be
    reminded that international law demands that the trustee of the Mandate for
    Palestine, in the modern world, the State of Israel, encourage “close
    settlement by Jews on the land” and makes no mention of any other group with
    political rights in Israel. There is an illegal occupation in Palestine- but
    it is certainly not a Jewish one.

    Many nations and people are questioning Israel’s control of its liberated territory. No one is mentioning that the Arab countries had ejected about a million Jewish people and their children from their countries, confiscated their assets, businesses, homes and Real estate 650,00 Jewish people and their children of these expelled Jewish people were resettled in Greater Israel. The Land the Arab countries confiscated from the Jewish people 120,400 sq. km. or 75,000 sq. miles, which is over 5-6 times the size of Israel, and its value today is the trillions of dollars.

  • Samir Halabi

    The reason why a ‘JEWISH STATE’ exists.
    Jew-hate will never disappear.

  • Samir Halabi

    The only two Countries where Jew-hate never existed was China & India.
    In every other country Jews suffered insults, torture, and murder at the whim of the rulers.

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