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Trying to smear Europhiles just makes me more pro-EU

Leave.eu's 'balanced view' was anything but – and deeply unconvincing

9 April 2016

9:00 AM

9 April 2016

9:00 AM

Forgive me if I feel a little depressed at the moment. There are a lot of contributory factors — among them the massacre of my ducks by an otter, the unstoppable rise of Donald Trump, and of course the European Union referendum campaign. This last is especially dispiriting, as I am tired of it already and there are still nearly three months to go before the vote. The first propaganda letter plopped through my letterbox last week, and doubtless it will be the first of many such. It was from the ‘Leave.EU’ campaign and its only effect was to strengthen me in my decision to vote to stay in. Written by a rich, fat businessman called Peter Hargreaves, it had a most disagreeable tone, questioning not only the wisdom but also the motives of those who don’t want to leave the EU.

These Europhiles, it said, were people from organisations that accepted payment from Brussels, whose ‘cushy lives’ would be disrupted by change, and who were engaging in ‘ludicrous’ scaremongering to protect their own interests. ‘Our politicians should champion a balanced view, but their own political futures seem to be taking precedence,’ it went on. ‘The future of the United Kingdom is at stake, which is infinitely more important than political careers.’ Apart from implying that all politicians who supported EU membership were doing so only out of self-interest, Mr Hargreaves is hardly an example of someone who champions ‘a balanced view’. In fact, I can’t imagine what he means by it.

It is possible that I would be less affected by this kind of thing if I wasn’t also a little concerned about the state of my aortic valve. I know nothing about biology, and I wasn’t even aware until recently that I had such a thing as an aortic valve to help my heart pump blood around my body. But I owe this information to the excellent Dr Akram at the Greens Norton Medical Centre in Northamptonshire, whom I visited the other day for a routine check-up. He decided for some reason to listen to my chest and pronounced that I seemed to have a heart murmur. What was a heart murmur? I asked. ‘It means that instead of going “boom, boom”, it goes sort of “whoosh, whoosh”,’ he replied. ‘And I think you should have an echocardiogram.’

I should say in passing that, living in the country in south Northamptonshire, I had a choice of NHS medical centres to attend; and I chose the one at Greens Norton because the staff at its reception desk were particularly friendly and nice. And it was an excellent choice, because the doctors and nurses turned out to be very nice as well. This is a useful thing to remember about almost any organisation: if its receptionists and telephonists are friendly and happy, they almost certainly work in a happy place in which those above them will be nice and friendly as well.

Anyway, I went and had the echocardiogram at the hospital in Northampton, and this showed that my aortic valve had got seriously narrower than it should be and might need replacing or something if it was going to do its job properly. I should see a cardiologist, Dr Akram said, and so I did; and the cardiologist said I should prepare for surgery. He seemed puzzled that I didn’t seem to have any symptoms of heart trouble. Did I not have pains in my chest? Did I not get giddy or faint? But it’s amazing how quickly you acquire such symptoms when they are suggested to you. I began to feel giddy immediately.

Now, I know that heart surgery is so safe these days that even heart transplants are usually survivable; and that giving me a pig’s valve or whatever is hardly more dangerous than falling off a log. Nevertheless, if you aren’t used to having operations, they offer an unappealing prospect; and I strongly advise against looking at pictures of heart surgery on the internet. The cardiologist, on the other hand, was very cheerful. ‘I’m glad you’re so young,’ he said. ‘Young?’ I replied. ‘Is 76 young?’ ‘Oh yes,’ he said. ‘We do this operation on people of 90.’

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  • Mr B J Mann

    Didn’t they warn you not to drive, use heavy machinery, sign legal documents, or write columns, until you’d fully regained your senses?!

  • kitten

    Bit unfortunate this article coming out on the same day as Daniel Hannans (no comments allowed) article, showing just one example of many of the vested interests that support our continued dictatorship by a foreign body.

    Rather puts paid to this argument somewhat.

    • Mary Ann

      It’s not a dictatorship the EU parliament is more democratic than Westminster, we choose our MEPs by proportional representation.


      I trust you believe in democracy enough to believe that ALL the people’s of Europe should have a say in how Europe is run.

      • kitten

        The “EU is more democratic than Westminster” is it?

        So tell me, how do I vote out the current EU commissioners? I’ve decided I don’t like their anti- workers politics, nor their support of privatisation.

        Oh that’s right, I can’t, so your post is warped nonsense.

        • Andrew Cole

          Nor the salaries that dwarf the POTUS and UK PMs.

      • antoncheckout

        What you want is for ALL the peoples of Europe to have a say in how Britain is run. And we’re not having that – particularly not from somebody who is not British.

      • Arclight101

        More lies and nonsense. In fact the EU Parliament is rigged to under represent larger and more skeptical countries like Britain, and over represent smaller and invariably pro EU countries countries like Belgium, Sweden and Luxembourg.

        If the EU Parliament was truly representative by population, the UK would have 104 MEPs, Sweden 13, Belgium 16, and Luxembourg 1.

        In reality, the UK has 73, Sweden has 20, Belgium 21 and Luxembourg 6!

        If the UK was allocated MEPs at the same rate as Luxembourg, it would have 680 MEPs!

        So much for your democracy and PR in the EU Parliament.

      • Melkur

        I’d like to have our MPs make a commitment to reform the United Kingdom, let alone the EU. It won’t ever happen though, which speaks volumes.

      • Anna Bananahammok

        9 out of 10 people sitting in the EU building have not been voted to sit there, yet, make decision for their countrymen, and their neighbours, how is that democratic?

      • MikePage

        But MEPs have naff-all powers. And PR is a rubbish system.

  • Holly

    I will be voting to LEAVE this POLITICAL union.

    Having looked at the effects our membership has had on this country during the forty years since we joined.
    It is now a completely different entity, and as it expands each individual country’s leaders will have less and less power to govern how their people wish.

    It is no longer a consensual entity, but is ruled by a few at the top.

    Going by the UK, as that is where I live, it is clear that we now have a ‘pretend’ government here and the EU is the ‘real’ government.

    We are told we are in control of our borders, yet we still have no power to lower the numbers entering the UK, and our powerless politicians can do absolutely nothing to stem the flow.
    How are the numbers looking since 2010?

    Immigration is the KEY issue on our EU membership for the simple fact that it alone has the biggest detrimental effect on so many other important issues, such as housing, school places, health care, as well as social problems.

    What we are left with are top politicians who only have the power to tinker with our public services, just so they give the impression they are somehow ‘governing the country.

    IF I receive a copy of the government issue leaflet, which seems to be the latest stunt by the remain camp, I will be returning it, and will give my reasons why.

    What would the public reaction be if,……
    The remain camp explained it is the unreformed POLITICAL union they want us to remain in?

    Over the last forty years what powers they have given away and what that actually means in reality.

    • Mary Ann

      Things have changed in the last 40 years because that’s what happens, you can’t go back to the sunny days of childhood, they no longer exist, It is companies like McD and the internet which have made the biggest changes. The British government has more power than you think otherwise why are we having a referendum on such an important issue. I do trust you will read the leaflet before you send it back, to do otherwise will be like burying your head in the sand. Over 80% of people want more information, so far both sides have been misleading people, only the other day in the Telegraph there was an item mentioning the 2.7 million EU migrants here but it failed to mention the 2.2 million British emigrants in mainland Europe. With that sort of bias how can anyone make a rational decision.

      • kitten

        At least 2.7 million Europeans are here, in one country, 2.2? million in twenty seven countries.

        See the folly in your argument?

        • Arclight101

          I doubt that she will, but here’s an illustration for those who are.
          Number of Romanians living in Britain: 150,000
          Number of Brits in Romania: 3,000
          Source: British Embassy in Bucharest

          • antoncheckout

            Number of Brits living as vagrants or claiming UB and housing benefit in Romania:…
            Er, not that many, I’m guessing.

          • Arclight101


          • davidshort10

            They are Roma in the main in Britain. Gypsies with Romanian citizenship. Most working Romanians work in other EU Latin countries such as Italy and Spain.

      • Arclight101

        “Things have changed in the last 40 years because that’s what happens, you can’t go back to the sunny days of childhood,”

        Patronizing clap trap. Woeful stuff. @Holly is making a perfectly valid point that immigration under the EU is utterly out of control, and that’s the best you can come up with?

        As for the British emigrants living in Europe, most, the overwhelming majority are pensioners. They bring wealth and spending power to sunny but otherwise desperate southern parts of the failed Euro project. They take jobs from no one, but have a positive effect on local wages.

        The overwhelming majority of EU migrants to Britain meanwhile are from these same economic failing parts of the EU. They grab jobs, force down wages, force up house and rental prices, overwhelm local schools, hospital and other essential services, and in the case of the 150,000 odd Romanian gypsies here (yes those same Romanians who you said would never arrive) they beg, sleep rough and contribute to crime.

        Worse, far worse, the EU is currently in the grip of a mad hippy pensioner in Berlin who as a swan song to her career has decided to cast aside inhibitions and flood Europe, year after year with millions of young, illiterate, Muslim men from the Middle East and Africa. On top of this the EU is once again insisting that Merkel’s migrants be imposed on all other EU countries through a mandatory allocation scheme. Insults to national sovereignty don’t get any bigger than being told you have to accept 100,000 Africans, year after year, simply because Brussels wills it. Vote Leave.

      • antoncheckout

        The number of EU citizens living in the UK according to the statistics supplied by the House of Commons Briefing Report (25 Feb 2016) and those of the Oxford University Migration Observatory is between 3 million and 3.3 million.
        Around 1.2 million people of British birth (not ‘1.2 million’) live in other EU countries, according to UN statistics.
        Your idea of ‘information’ is what most of us over here in Britain call ‘making it up’.

      • Holly

        I am not voting LEAVE because of some non existent ‘sunny days of childhood’, and for you to imply that shows you have been reading too many government issued leaflets.

        I am voting LEAVE, because the UK government has no power to govern on major issues that have a visibly detrimental effect on the British public.

        I do not believe that the public wishing to LEAVE the POLITICAL union, that is causing major issues on the public, have made their decision on anything other than the visible results of the last forty years we have been in the EU.

        Not even you can claim that it is what the Brits signed up for in the ’70’s, and you can not say with any honesty that the EU will be the same entity we are been asked to vote on in June, it WILL expand, we WILL be expected to cater for an influx of people from future new members, and there is NOTHING the UK government will be able to do about the numbers, as free movement is non-negotiable.

        There is a vast difference between the UK people living in Europe, and the people coming to the UK from Europe, and to imply it is somehow a ‘levelling out’ exercise is somewhat questionable.

        Things have changed in the last forty years, but that would be true even if we had never joined. The question is, how many Brits see it as beneficial to their lives, and how many see it as a disadvantage to them and their families when trying to access homes, school places or healthcare.

        • veryveryoldfella

          In addition you are being asked to vote on Dodgy Dave’s “good deal” which in itself has to be subjected to ratification by the European Parliament, ie a nothing deal. There is not a status quo, only more EU. Look at what Juncker and his cronies state as the answer to all issues, more EU.
          Thanks, but no thanks I choose to join you and vote leave, if not for my sake, then for the sake of my children and grandchildren.

      • commenteer

        British emigrants, maybe. British workers, no. The number of Britons working abroad is less than half a million. The rest are largely those who have retired. If they use the health services of, say, Spain, the cost is reimbursed by the NHS. They don’t bring their families to stay permanently, or claim benefits, just inject some British cash into the Spanish economy. Hardly a quid pro quo for the millions coming to us.

      • Marcus

        …and what of those “working” British migrants living outside the EU? As one in the States, I can attest that the willpower, patience, and money required to navigate the immigration system here far outweighs the efforts of many (not all) of those who have moved to the UK. Once you have lived in the States for a while, have adapted to many of its gyrations, and keep company with people who are smart enough to see through the ridiculous political campaigns, it’s actually a never-ending stream of shock to see just how close to oblivion the far left is pushing the UK, and many other parts of Europe. Good riddance. Oh, and I can afford a house here in 2016.

      • Infadel

        “the 2.2 million British emigrants in mainland Europe”

        Source please! A little “porkie” methinks.

      • Mr B J Mann

        Ermmmmmm, but the Brits in the EU are buying, often having built, houses, spending their own money, paying taxes, paying for health care directly or indirectly…….

        While the EU citizens in the UK?!?!?!!!!!

      • Mr B J Mann

        Does it give information on whether we would be better off in the EU, or as the 51st state of the US, or forming a Commonwealth Economic Union, or partnering with Japan, or……

        Does it give information on whether we would PREFER to be ruled under British parliamentary procedures, Common Law, Habeas Corpus, jury trial, innocent until proven guilty, free to do anything you want if you don’t harm anyone and it’s not been specifically outlawed…….

        Or whether we would PREFER to be ruled under European Civil Law, NO right to freedom from arbitrary arrest and imprisonment, nor jury trial, guilty until proven innocent (as with the European Arrest Warrant), free to do anything you want as long as there is a specific regulation allowing it, and exactly how, when and where it is allowed (hence the endless red tape)……….

    • Mr B J Mann

      Anyone got Cameron’s home address handy?

      I want to return his leaflet to sender wrapped round a brick.

      Hope he doesn’t have the bare faced cheek to claim the postage on expenses!

    • Child_of_Thatcher

      I am seeing more and more black Africans in my area and last week one of them from Mozambique told me she walked in here after getting a Dutch passport. I asked her how she got the Dutch passport but she refused to say.

  • Arclight101

    “Forgive me if I feel a little depressed at the moment. There are a lot of contributory factors — among them the massacre of my ducks by an otter, the unstoppable rise of Donald Trump, and of course the European Union referendum campaign” – Alexander Chancellor, Eton College and Trinity Hall, Cambridge, lifelong supporter of Edward Heath, and surprise surprise, Guardian columnist.

    Really, why didn’t you stick with the Guardian? With the possible exception of the duck house, they’re right behind on all these issues.

  • antoncheckout

    Peter Hargreaves is a patient and hardworking businessman who became rich and helped others to become rich by making it simple for them to invest their money, and to compound the gains.
    Hargreaves is particularly distinguished for having accurately predicted early on in the life of the Labour government the ruinous tax and spend policies Brown was covertly planning. I for one ow him a debt of gratitude for his invaluable influence on my own financial planning.

    Alexander Chancellor is a not particularly distinguished Old Etonian journalist who failed at the New Yorker and now edits the Oldie and writes articles like the one above.

    I know whose views I’d rather heed.

    • davidshort10

      Alexander Chancellor is a very distinguished journalist, whereas I have never heard of this fat businessman and don’t care if he is rich.

      • antoncheckout

        It was Chancellor who attacked Hargreaves for being rich – as you will see if you actually read the article.
        That you have never heard of somebody is not newsworthy.
        We shall have to agree to disagree about Chancellor’s journalistic qualities. I personally find them so slight as be almost invisible.

      • Sanctimony

        And I had imagined you were a fan of Taki !

  • Andrew Cole

    When Mr Cameron’s leaflet, paid for by the government and not from the remain/leave allocations, arrives through your letterbox, stick it in an envelope and send it to:

    Mr D Cameron
    10 Downing St
    SW1A 2AA

    • Sanctimony

      I have already done so !

  • davidshort10

    The clearest reason not to want to remain in the EU is if you don’t want to be dominated by Germany. When we joined there weren’t 28 members and Germany was divided and had far less influence.

  • English Patriot

    Usual piece of appeasement from some fat, useless f*uck who should have been put out to grass years ago.

    • Arclight101

      He’s a Heathit, need I say more. The man was a Europhile and a pedophile. Par for the course.

      • Sanctimony

        Should we vote to leave, as I very much hope, I would be in favour of following the tradition of the Restoration and digging up that fat t**d, Heath’s mortal remains and hanging them from Traitors Gate…

  • Lothlórien

    David Cameron has used taxpayer’s money (£10 million) to send a pro-EU leaflet to every home in Britain.

    Mr Hargreaves didn’t have access to tax payer’s cash did he Alexander?

    Oh, he’s not fat either and he is a self-made man (he started Hargreaves Lansdown trading from a bedroom in 1981).

    You shouldn’t be so easily defeated.

  • Always makes me laugh when I hear the in side trying to accuse us of being the ones running a dirty campaign even as it tries to claim footballers won’t be able to play here and the jungle will move to Calais. Come off it.

    • johnb1945


      It’s hardly smearing Brexiteers as a bunch of exclusively self interested fat cats in the pockets of special interest groups, is it?

      • Arclight101

        I think you’re getting confused with the Remainers at Cameron Offshore Towers and Goldman Sachs.

  • Ipsmick

    While dithering about which way to vote, I thought about the character, abilities and general public stature of those – Patel, Farage, Galloway, Gove, Grayling, Fox – who advocate leaving the EU. And then realised that it’s a no-brainer.

    • Arclight101

      While wondering about which way to vote, I thought about the character, honesty, and record of those – Tony Blair, Ed Balls, Jean claude Juncket, Peter Mandelson, Martin Schulz, Gordon Brown, Angela Merkel, – advocating we remain in the EU. And then I realized it was a no brainer.

      • Roger Hudson

        That’s more like it for a simple soul like me.

      • Holly

        While wondering about which way to vote, I thought about the character, honesty and record of the EU….

        And I still realise it’s a no brain, no hope crock….
        I could be wrong though….

      • veryveryoldfella

        Don’t forget Nichola Sturgeon and Gerry Adams, two more outstanding candidates for your list.

    • Roger Hudson

      A riddle within a conundrum wrapped in a whatnot. How inscrutable you are, O wise one!

    • Little Black Censored

      So you are voting to leave then?

  • Dr. Heath

    Listening to the arguments of Remain campaigners reminds me of the arguments put forward by Pierre Laval, who was in his day keen on his country remaining inside a big empire with lots of wholesome things to offer sensible French men and women.

    Quislings don’t have to work for regimes dedicated to mass murder to be, after all, still quislings.

    • Adam Weiner

      Again this perception that the EU is some foreign power imposing its will on the downtrodden people of Britain. The EU is as foreign to the UK as the UK is foreign to England. The UK and all its democratically elected representatives are a part of Europe, just as England is a part of the United Kingdom. And whilst the UK was largely forged by military and economic domination, the EU was forged by a bunch of leaders who recognised the advantages of working together and the horrendous consequences, in an age of advanced military technology, of allowing neighbours to drift too far apart. Europe has always been a crucible of war – thanks largely to the regular meetings and discussions of representatives from the whole of Europe made possible by the maintenance of the European Union, we have had no wars between EU member states for a short while now. But hey, maybe what we need in the near future is a good old fashioned all out war so we can watch our children being ripped to shreds and everything we love being destroyed around us – nothing like utter carnage, horror and destruction to steel the nerves eh?

  • terence patrick hewett

    You really don’t get this internet thing do you Alexander. Let me refresh your memory with what people like you, the Tory Party and the Tory press called us not so long ago:

    Senile old farts, fruitcakes, loonies, nutters, gadflies, fascists, dullards, Nazis, blazer wearers, Colonel-Blimps in blazers, BNP in blazers, Brownshirts in blazers, anti-EU-Taliban, clowns, racists, bigots, closet racists, poor blue-collar losers, saloon-bar bores, coffin-dodgers, golf-club bores, swivel-eyed loons, computer illiterates, little Englanders, know-nothing loudmouths, ill-educated, ill-qualified and pretty unpleasant and odd people

    Boggle-eyed collection of malcontents, vacuum-cleaner-onanists, d*kheads, knobs, grumpy old men, the disappointed elderly, rats, the lycra clad-tattooed, whinging, vile, despicable, abhorrent, whining, rabble-rousers, boors, twats, un-British, lily-livered-doormats, daft, self-pitying, xenophobic, four-ale-bar drunks, intellectually-frightened-milksops, bigot-chimps, filth, extreme
    nationalists, racist halfwits, protectionists, backward-looking, cultists, Euro-bores, rabid, weird people, populists, a bacillus, a rabble, English flag wavers, brutish and low-grade, knuckle draggers, friendly people waiting to die

    Angry people, pariahs, Tory toxins, zombies, beer-swillers, sour-lipped populists, the Tory fifth-column, an infection, damaged goods, absurd, ignorant, neo-fascists, the septic and the geriatric, the empty-headed led by the foul-minded, cynical, corrosive, pernicious, racist filth, disgruntled elderly, dog-end voters, Faragebola.

    Nice people are you not.

    • Enoch Powell

      I have to point out that Alexander Chancellor himself is one of my favourite columnists and comes across as a nice guy.

      However, he is completely wrong about the EU.

      • Roger Hudson

        I’d never heard of him until now. Is he a regular columnist? I do hope not.

        • Enoch Powell

          He’s been around for donkeys years. Edited a number of magazines. Very experienced columnist and always a good read even if I disagree.

    • Holly

      You forgot ‘mentally ill’.
      My ‘mental illness’ when commenting on stuff to do with the EU makes me shake sometimes, and I have to nip off for a while and have a cuppa.

    • They’ve been to Horncastle..

    • Mary Ann

      If the cap fits.

      • terence patrick hewett

        Not really Mary Ann: I have an interest etymology and I could see that something really unusual was happening here as far as language is concerned so I decided to compile a fairly accurate list of words and then make some sort of analysis: the strands of stupidity, disease, dementia, drunkeness, lack of education age et al are quite interesting to an etymologist and is far more revealing of the motives and attitudes of the protagonists rather than their victims: all the more vicious because of the element of social class involved. Snobbery in all of its glorious manifestations is always a subject both facinating and hilarious. E F Benson would have made a meal of it.

  • Alltaxationistheft

    According to the Euriners ,Chancellor has no business supporting the EU. He is clearly too old & often bewildered ,he should be a signed up UKIP man

  • T Gould

    I know this guy’s contributions are little more than throwaway blog articles, but still, more fool me for thinking the EU part of this bit would have any more to it. Doesn’t say anything more than the title of the article, totally disappointing.

  • Sid Falco

    Bore off. “Europhile” and “pro-EU” are, if anything, antonyms not synonyms.

  • Arclight101

    Does anyone know why the Spectator allows non subscribing readers to see all of Alexander Chancellor Bremain nonsense, but restricts readership of Daniel Hannan’s article to subscribers? Is the Spectator in bed with Cameron?

    • Roger Hudson

      I’m not a subscriber but I was mercifully spared having to read any more of the Alexander Chancelleor garbage by the wonders of technology causing his words to vaporize into airy nothing. Very considerate of them. My condolences to those who were not so fortunate.

  • Steve

    In this country we have an opportunity to vote in a new government every 5 years.
    The EU has no opposition parties and therefore stays in power forever so how could we vote the EU out.

    Cameron may have won concessions but they will undoubtably be overturned in the years to come We have seen how past prime ministers have allowed the EU to make new treaties and handed over more power. Whatever Cameron promises today will be handed over tomorrow. Imagine if Corbyn got in Let alone the damage John Major and Tony Blair did.

    The EU never gives up in its quest for political power in order to run a dictatorship. We as a people must never give up our right to democracy and the EU is a threat to that.

    • AWoLsco

      “The EU never gives up in its quest for political power in order to run a
      dictatorship. We as a people must never give up our right to democracy
      and the EU is a threat to that.”

      Well said, that man.
      Economics or freedom? Freedom every time.
      Without freedom, you can say ta-ta( now there’s an interesting word, weel kent in Redcar and Port Talbot) to economics.

      • Steve

        I am amazed that we haven’t learned from history when rule without democracy is forced Its extraordinary that our parents grandparents who fought and died for our democracy are so easily fooled into this You cant tell me those at the top like Cameron are not selling us out when if you open your eyes you can clearly see the backtracking half truths and down right lies even if you are on the side of staying in you may turn a blind eye but surely you have to wonder what are they hiding and are you really sure you know and understand what you are giving up in return for open borders Its just crazy of you really think about it.

        • Conway

          Your parents’ grandparents aren’t fooled by it; it’s the young who know nothing of life before 1973 who are conned.

          • Steve

            You’re right Conway that’s what I meant so thanks for correcting me.

        • Adam Weiner

          Brilliant – invoking those who died in a war-torn divided Europe to support the idea of dividing Europe again.

          • Steve

            Are you saying we shouldn’t learn from the past? Before the wars there was very little democracy and we were ruled over by the aristocracy Many now believe democracy has failed as the masses don’t deserve it. I don’t really want to return to an elite that got so up themselves they thought they could machine gun their own soldier Shoot deserters and treat the masses like scum. Do we really want to go back to a situation where an elite rule?.

          • Adam Weiner

            My point is that we should precisely remember the lessons of the past: the insane horror of war was brought on by nationalism. European nations all wanted a bigger share of the pie, had a tendency to demonise eachother and ended up fighting wars constantly for centuries. The Pax Europaea since WW2 is an aberration in the history of Europe. Now nationalism is on the rise again, and everyone is more concerned about how much their own pathetic little landmass can gain than they are about the common good. It’s a recipe for disaster. Those who died, or watched their loved ones and everything they cared about be destroyed, as a result of petty nationalism in Europe, must be turning in their graves murmuring “here we go again…”

          • Steve

            Adam Do you know or understand anything about History? Its not nationalism that causes wars its dictators Do you know what Hitler was?

          • Adam Weiner

            How did Hitler get democratically elected?

          • Steve

            He didnt

          • Adam Weiner

            Ok technically he didn’t win the presidency until after he’d been made chancellor – but he was only made chancellor because he was immensely popular in Germany – the point being, the driving force behind Hitler’s rise to power was popular nationalism.

          • Steve

            Its quite incredible how those who ant to create a new single nationality try to make those opposed to the superstate dictatorship into nationalists and because of that in danger of starting a new world war The want to be national dictatorship has already been responsible for starting a war because of the their land and power grab of ex Russian countries The EU is an economic failure trying to create its own nationality and dictatorship Can you explain why the EU has its own Flag that countries are bound by law to fly it and why they have their own anthem Judiciary army navy police?

          • Adam Weiner

            Perhaps I misunderstand though – you credit the wars across Europe as responsible for the rise of democracy? Apart from the French Revolution perhaps, how do you make sense of that?
            I agree that democracy is not looking too good – but how does leaving the EU help that? You think the Britsh government is somehow cleaner, better equipped to stand up to the elites? Democracy has gotten itself to a point where those in power have figured out how to maintain their power and wealth in spite of the safeguards that democracy had tried to set up against that – they’ve found and strengthened the loopholes, they’ve wriggled through the cracks – we need change, but pulling out of the EU is not the solution – that just makes it easier for the elites to control government. It does nothing but weaken us.

          • Steve

            Adam Tragically You cant see the difference between democracy and dictatorship. We are a democracy Trust me. The real threat to that is slowly taking over our country and although Cameron has put it in writing we wont have further integration That wont mean much when a future Prime minister rewrites the rules stating we had a referendum and don’t need another Do you doubt for a minute Blair wouldn’t just sign us up to the EU superstate We would now be dealing in Euros if Brown hadn’t put the spanner in the works Seriously Don’t give up our democracy We will all regret it

          • Adam Weiner

            The thing is Steve, I don’t trust you. I need more than assertions – give me evidence that you’re not just paranoid, uninformed and nationalistic. Show me that I’m wrong to find your assertions about the EU being non-democratic preposterous and, basically, made-up. Without that, considering your outlandish claims, you strike me as just paranoid and having turned the EU into some sort of biblical demonic figure by the exclusive power of your imagination and with no basis in actual fact.

          • Steve

            Adam The EU was set up by politicians in collaboration with big business hence the Bilderbergers They set it up without permission from anyone Spending money that wasn’t theirs and then taking money in taxes They lied and cheated to get where they are Who are they? No one really knows. Look at what happened when Ireland voted to leave They made them hold another election then scared the crap out of them into voting to stay in. The EU stays in power forever That is not preposterous that is a fact or do you know of any opposition parties? Your argument about the MEP elections is a con For now you may be able to change a powerless MEP whose power can always be reversed But that is not the organisation charge who vote in unelected commissioners If you were to give a politician everything he could want he wold build an unaccountable pretend government where he gets loads of perks backhanders eventual job for life huge pension Oh yes the EU

    • Adam Weiner

      I take it you’ve never heard of the European elections then? Where the people vote for the representatives who pass the European laws you seem to find distasteful. Saying “the EU has no opposition parties” is utterly meaningless – “the UK has no opposition parties” would be equally meaningless. There are many parties in the European Parliament, debating with one another etc. There is no party called “the EU”, dictating terms from its almighty throne, as your peculiar uninformed and paranoid vision implies. There are representatives debating and discussing laws with the intention (at least in principle) of improving life throughout Europe, not just for one country. Why don’t we go back to tribal politics and have every family live by their own laws? It would be great if we could tailor all the rules to suit our specific selfish interests. But obviously that makes working together on anything remotely large scale far more complicated. If everybody made different kinds of lightbulbs, can you imagine how hard it would be to find one to fit your lamps? So we have standards and norms and shared procedures to make life easier – and then the eurosceptics yell “they want to take our Great British bayonet lightbulbs from us!!!” – it’s a lightbulb fitting – grow up.

      • Steve

        Unelected commissioners decide what MEPS can vote on If they don’t like what the MEPS vote for they can change the decision. The EU can change its rules without fear of losing an election As for standard lightbulbs We seriously do not need the EU to decide on standards. AND the bonus is if we leave the EU is likely to come to turns with the fact there quest for political power is over and revert back to a trading organisation with free movement for certain countries.

        • Adam Weiner

          That’s just not true…
          commissioners in the EU are the heads of the civil service. They cannot overrule parliament, nor do they dictate the agenda of parliament! Of course they have influence, just as the civil service have influence over the British government – but you can’t expect all the people responsible for running the administration of government to be elected officials? Nowhere in the world is that the case.
          Again you speak of the EU as some kind of entity – it is not – it is an institution – the people who make the decisions are elected officials. The fact that people in the UK care so little about European elections, then complain that the EU parliament doesn’t sufficiently represent them is pathetic.

          Why don’t we need European Standards? Do you even understand what standards are for? Do you grasp how much easier they make anything we try to do with cooperation with people, companies and institutions beyond our limited borders? Science works because the international community of scientists work together to agree on standards and protocols by which to operate – they don’t always agree on what standards should be used, but they end up using the same standards anyway because they obviously wouldn’t be able to compare notes and gain from economies of scale without them.

          Who is this “EU” beast you have imagined into existence? Do they have secret meeting in dark rooms where they decide on the fate of the world whilst torturing babies for sport?

  • Roger Hudson

    Some would call the writer of this drivel that passes for an article a narcissistic, hissy prat a la Simon Sharma—all twitchy and fingernails clinging tenaciously to the moral high ground. I wouldn’t. I just think he’s a useless c*nt.

    • alberto


    • newminster

      You know him personally, do you?
      Or is this just your usual standard of effluent when someone dares disagree with you.
      Grubby little man — and your six supporters aren’t much better. What happened to civilised discourse in this country?

  • LG

    The Speccie’s probably not the brightest place to ‘come out’ for remain. They’re all raving outies.

    • Little Black Censored

      “They” – to whom are you speaking?

    • Mary Ann

      But it is fun to watch them squirm when you find things that contradict their stated facts.

  • Yorkman99

    I think the writer of this crap article should get out more and see what is really happening to our beloved country.

    • AWoLsco

      “the writer of this crap article should get out more and see what is really happening”

      Show some pity for the poor creature. He’s just trying to make a living doing the bidding of the great satan, like the rest of us.
      If he wrote what he really thought, he’d be out of a job.

      • veryveryoldfella

        Does he need to sell his soul to the great Satan to keep his job at the age of 76. I would have thought that telling it as it is for the sake of his children and possibly grandchildren should be of more concern for him.

        • AWoLsco

          “telling it as it is for the sake of his children and possibly grandchildren should be of more concern for him.”

          ……..or maybe he said something like….”Y’know son, when you hear words like truth, honesty, justice and liberty, don’t believe a word of it. It’s the biggest load of old cobblers, going.

          Go with the power and the money…like I did.
          Lending support, even lip-service, to truth and honesty is a mug’s game, and leads to a life of perpetual harrassment and rank poverty.

          Sure, there”ll be the odd nutter out there, the odd lone voice in the wilderness, that will call you the living embodiment of satan, but they’re just oiks and chavs, and what’s that against a nice house and cars, a nice bit of rump, and the police and army to protect you?
          No, follow the money and go with satan……then you’ll be a man my son.”

  • CB1698

    The specter of a Europhile whining about the Leave campaign considering the might of propaganda on the stay side we will witness is rich to say the least.

    • newminster

      As Anglian Reed says above: there’s projection for you!
      Each is as bad as the other but Leave are going to have to go some to convince anyone with even a minimal number of brain cells that we needn’t worry because leaving won’t really change anything very much and we’ll still have all the benefits of the EU without any of the drawbacks.
      Operation Comfort Blanket, I call it. Mixed in with its own gory Project Fear telling us how bad it is going to become if we don’t get out.
      0/10 for credibility, I’m afraid.

      • Callan

        As someone wrote in these columns earlier this week, the In campaigners fall into a number of categories, namely those with a vested financial or political interest, the naïve or the gullible and those with a progrom to destroy the nation states and turn the whole of Europe into one multicultural nirvana, in reality a lawless, multi cultural midden.
        The Out campaigners on the other hand are largely patriots who want the sovereignty of their country returned.
        You choose. I have.

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  • Anglian Reed

    “Written by a rich, fat businessman called Peter Hargreaves, it had a most disagreeable tone…”

    Now there’s some projection for you.

    • Jethro Asquith

      And Peter is not fat.

    • Sanctimony

      Chancellor is thin and poor….

  • Steve

    Just ask yourself these questions WHO set the EU up and WHY? Okay for EU supporters who cares the only thing that matters is the benefits like no borders and the ability for you to travel settle and work where you want. You can justify it with all the friends you make. Yes they are the upsides and very good upsides too But what about the cost Yes lets go back to those people who set the EU up and why Because they are quietly planning their future not yours and the reason I can say that is because they set it up without you knowing Behind your back Without your permission and as the EU doesn’t have any opposition parties it stays in power forever. So you in campaigners are like mice sniffing the cheese and when the trap shuts it will be a bloody struggle to get back democracy.
    If we leave the EU What will then happen is it will not be able to support its dictatorship goals and the upshot will be the EU will change to open borders and free trade run by a non political organisation Isnt that what we all want?

  • Steve

    The EU has been using its propaganda in schools for a number of years now teaching kids how the EU has kept the peace and how they as EU citizens have benefited Also an organisation called common purpose has been educating those in power the EU line There has been a war fought with intellect and words targeted at leaders and those in authority.

    • marvin

      Common Purpose (CP) is a Charity, based in Great Britain, which creates ‘Future Leaders’ of society. CP selects individuals and “trains” them to learn how society works, who pulls the “levers of power” and how CP “graduates” can use this knowledge to lead “Outside Authority”.

      Following the exposure of Common Purpose in the Leveson Inquiry and the subsequent campaign to gag the press and media in Britain via the Media Standards Trust and their offshoot the Hacked Off Campaign, Common Purpose and leaders Sir David Bell and Julia MIddleton seem to have disappeared. Published by Common Purpose Exposed

  • marvin

    Alexander Chancellor has a right to his own views as does everyone else – but he has made it so clear in the above article, that he – as so many of the IN voters – need to have the facts provided for them in the clearest manner possible for them to understand – just as Alexander did not understand what a heart murmur was.

  • James McClellan

    Good luck with your heart, Mr Chancellor, I’m sure your red wine habit will be beneficial. We’re not on the same side in respect of the EU, I’m amost certainly going to vote No, because I dislike Imperialism, and the subversion of Democracy. However I agree with you about the letter both you and I received. Schoolboy stuff, and grammatically weak.

    • Adam Weiner

      I really don’t understand this perception that the EU is a force for imperialism and/or a subversion of democracy. Can you explain?

      • Steve

        In this country we can re elect a new government every 5 years The EU has no opposition parties and remains in power forever That is a dictatorship Your argument is that we can change the MEP who in the UK supports a UK political party However that is misleading as an MEP is elected for the role of MEP and a member of the EU.
        Worse though is only unelected commissioners can decide what the MEPs vote on and if they don’t like the outcome can over rule the MEP’s decision But then how likely are commissioners going to give MEPs a chance to vote on something they don’t think they should
        The EU stated aim is to be a federal superstate Once that is achieved they have the power to do whatever they want IE They could abolish elections so MEPs have lifetime jobs are abolish MEPS And yes there would be a public backlash But its convenient how a lot of anti terrorism laws have banished free speech demonstrations How an EU arrest warrant means a country like Poland could have anyone in the UK arrested and taken there with no redress The powers we are allowing the EU to have are truly frightening.

        • Adam Weiner

          As I answered below, this is just false.
          The commission does not set the agenda of parliament and cannot overrule parliament. The commission is to the EU as the civil service is to Britain.
          If you have evidence to the contrary, please quote sources.
          The laws passed to restrict freedom in favour of security are insane, I would agree, but have all been passed at local government level. It is not the EU who have limited our freedoms.
          I’m not sure what you mean by the “EU stated aim is to be a federal superstate” – I’m not sure how the EU could actually state anything – it would be like Britain stating something. It is possible that some politicians working in the EU believe that a federal superstate would be a good thing. The notion that this would give them the power to abolish elections is insanely paranoid. The British government could abolish elections… but how likely do you think that is? I can’t help thinking it’s actually a lot more conceivable that it would happen in Britain than across the whole of the European Union.
          Nationalism… so outdated..; so extremely dangerous. All the constant warfare on European soil over the past 5 centuries has been motivated by nationalism. The EU is a dream that maybe the petty little nations that have such an arrogant vision of their own importance in Europe might put aside their nationalistic egos and try being part of something bigger – something that could compete with the actual big-players on the international scene, instead of having to accept their lot as lackeys of the superpowers. It’s still a kind of nationalism I guess, but on a larger scale – just like when tribes and fiefdoms joined together to form more powerful countries – the United Kingdom is a mish-mash of older nations who ended up joined into one, and have had far more power thanks to that fact. The urge to split the UK out of the EU is as insane, stupid and backward-thinking, to me, as would be an urge to split London out of the UK. How could anyone possibly hope to gain?

          • Steve

            Adam The EU wants ever closer union Do you know what the word union means?
            The commission does set the agenda How can you not know that?
            Laws made in Brussels supercede British laws
            The British government could not abolish elections because they have a fixed term of 5 years The public would then vote them out You can never vote the EU out
            This nationilsim you talk about in the UK is not something to be ashamed of As a country we have been one of the most successful ever and although many hate the past like the British empire Civilsation is only here because of the past. We will one day be a one nation on earth but people need time to adapt and learn We don’t want to lose the culture and diversity of the world though so it is best people retain their national identities When people are ready it will happen But what is happening now is a rich elite are taking all the power and money treating us as second class and looking after themselves by removing democracy on a bid to return us to a new lords and rulership We really don’t want that.

          • Steve

            Its breathtaking the lies the politicians arte coming out with in the remain campaign and the BBC reporters are in full swing in their propaganda to stay in Its like George Orwell it really is Andrew Marr Nick Robinson Are we in Europe or not (No Nick were in the EU and that is not Europe We control our borders crap Might as well give up though The subtle use of words by the BBC is brainwashing everyone Very sad

  • morecakeplease

    If you feel so inclined, you can send your Cameron propaganda leaflet back to:-

    Attn: Joanna George
    Freepost RSBB-XRZT-ZTXE
    The Conservative Party Foundation
    30 Millbank
    SW1P 4DP

    If you send it to Downing Street, the taxpayer foots the bill; use this address and the Conservative Party picks up the tab.

    • Aberrant_Apostrophe

      If only 10% of the 35,000,000 recipients did so, it would cost CPF £700,000 in Freepost costs.

    • Sanctimony

      Oops… I have already sent Cameron’s scaremongering garbage back to him at Number 10… putting some choice comments on the front, along with a first-class stamp… How will this cost the taxpayer…. I was happy to pay the full postage.

  • Tamerlane

    Otters vote remain every time, makes it easier to get at your ducks.
    Vote leave, save your ducks.

  • Jojje 3000

    Europe as a bunch of infighting small national countries, all with their own currency and far to detailed regulation, has to be put to history.

    Now when we are doing business with North America, China, India etc Europeans won’t ‘get a better deal’ if appearing like a pre school class out on a walk.

  • davidofkent

    Speaking badly of Europhiles is merely a retort to the people like Cameron who insult the Eurosceptics. Does this writer think he is still at kindergarten? The PM is spending £9m of OUR money to send us leaflets putting his REMAIN propaganda through our letterboxes. We Eurosceptics are entitled to think badly of people who do that. Where’s the beef?

  • Sipu

    Listen to yourself.

    “Written by a rich, fat businessman called Peter Hargreaves….”.
    What exactly do you object to, that he is rich, fat, a businessman; or is it his name that you dislike?

    Clearly, the scare-mongering Dr Akram is more up your street.

    “He seemed puzzled that I didn’t seem to have any symptoms of heart trouble. Did I not have pains in my chest? Did I not get giddy or faint? But it’s amazing how quickly you acquire such symptoms when they are suggested to you. I began to feel giddy immediately.”

    • Anna Bananahammok

      Rich, fat, (WESTERN) businessmen are evil.

      Poor, fat, Muslim parasites, who contribute nothing to society, except wars, inbreeding, rape and pedophilia, are good.

      It’s the skin colour, stupid.

  • Richard Gibb

    A message for all those Europhiles
    The Elephant in the Room to pinch an Americanism which means the Problem is Huge and Impossible to Ignore is that in July shortly after the VOTE that GREECE will need a Third Bailout. THE IMF want Greece to increase Taxes, Slash Pensions, dramatically increase the pension age and Sack State Workers and more which will be unacceptable to Greece.

    They also want GERMANY and the EEC to pay the Lion share of the Bailout which will be unacceptable to Germany who have given Merkel’s party a TRASHING and the EEC. To do so would cause the EEC and Germany to fall into Recession. Merkel cannot just agree to pay the Bailout nor can her party. Under German law it has to be a vote of the ENTIRE Parliament and even Merkel knows that it would fail.

    IF Greece is forced to default that will hit Italian and German Banks very hard as well as the banks of France and other EEC countries forcing them into Recession.

    So to vote REMAIN is to walk into a room where there is a BOMB and close and lock the door.

    BY the way, nearly one fifth of Greek GDP is from Tourism. How many people will visit Greece in 2016 when the Islands, Athens and the Beaches are covered in Migrants??? Discounts on Holidays in Greece of 70% are already on offer.

    The same will also be true of Italy, Spain and France as the Migrants including no doubt ISIS fighters cross the Mediterranean from Africa, trying to avoid the block on those moving via Turkey??? News is that there are already more and more boats crossing the Med to these Countries as the weather improves and Germany has already warned Italy about Migrants moving North to the Austrian border. So Tourism income will drop across the board forcing Greece and those Countries into YES – RECESSION especially when ISIS makes attacks on Tourists. Two Companies have already cancelled all holidays in Turkey with many more dramatically cutting them back. Holidays to Sardinia and other places on the Mediterranean coast are also being reduced.

    News reports about all of this are already surfacing. Germans and French are now calling for their own EXIT Votes and Greeks are attacking Migrants.

    So far, nobody in the Remain Camp has responded to this as they can’t. These are REAL FACTS not made up Fiction. To Remain in the European Economic Community is …. chose your own comment from SUICIDE to STUPID.

  • herdoutcaste

    “Written by a rich, fat businessman called Peter Hargreaves” – what a display of school boy backwardness (God help us; this coming from a product of Eaton College and Trinity Hall, Cambridge). And to think Chancellor throws around such an infantile putdown when he himself is considerably heftier than his rather athletic nemesis. But it was the me, me, me drivel that followed, expounding on his aortic valve, that really summed up his ilk for me; as self-absorbed and they are blinkered. Definitely not the sort of company I want to keep – Brexit all the way.

    • Sanctimony

      In my day it was always known as Eton… or even School…

  • DaHitman

    But then you’re a lefty so would support the EU “contributed a weekly column in The Guardian,”

  • Sanctimony

    You should rejoice, Mr Chancellor…. ducks are two-a-penny, otters are gold dust….

    Failing that, you could keep a pack of otter hounds which would hunt down all those mink which have escaped from fur farms…. are you sure it was an otter who took your ducks… far more likely to have been those vicious mink…

  • Celestinno

    Best way in balance is to stay and improve from inside, also you have consider the 1.2millions of expats, living in Europe same of them doing very well.