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Yes, Donald Trump is grotesque. But I will never vote for Hillary Clinton

26 March 2016

9:00 AM

26 March 2016

9:00 AM

 

 New York

‘Does this mean we have to vote for Hillary?’ asked my wife. It was early morning 16 March, and the queen consort of the Democratic party had seemingly sewn up the presidential nomination — a coronation promised years ago by her king but thus far denied by unruly subjects.

As I scanned the headline in the New York Times, ‘Clinton and Trump Pile up the Delegates’, I felt sick at heart. The Times has functioned throughout the campaign as court gazette for the Clintons, but there was no denying the basic accuracy of the story. Rebounding from Bernie Sanders’s stunning upset a week earlier in the Michigan primary — a victory that defied the polls and the Clinton propaganda machine — Clinton had won Florida, Illinois, North Carolina and, most depressingly, Ohio, where Clinton-ism has committed some of its worst ravages in the form of ‘free trade’ deals, bank deregulation and ‘welfare reform’.


Sanders partly had himself to blame. Despite his denunciation of Wall Street chicanery and factory jobs lost to China and Mexico, the insurgent senator from Vermont has repeatedly failed to be specific, tactically flexible or appropriately critical of Hillary’s profound dishonesty. Beginning last October, when he gave her a pass on her use of private emails while employed in her public position as Secretary of State (‘the American people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn emails’), the self-proclaimed socialist insisted on placing politeness and decorum above strategic intelligence.

This is no way to beat the Clinton couple, whose corruption and cynicism at times leaves me breathless. Over their long political careers, Bill and Hillary have been perpetually on the make and on the take — from Wall Street, from Walmart, from foreign governments via the Clinton Foundation — and Sanders can’t bring himself to say that clearly.

But my wife’s question wasn’t about Hillary per se. It was about Hillary as the last rampart against the vicious vulgarity of Donald Trump. If ever there were a moral case for choosing the lesser of two evils, wasn’t this it? My answer is no. For one thing, Clintonism, in its dogged adherence to political deception, is in large measure to blame for the rise of Trump. The Clintons specialise in double-talk and hypocrisy. Promoting the virtues and ‘inevitability’ of globalisation is deeply cynical when incomes are stagnant or falling — when blue-collar workers see their jobs and the futures of their children evaporating into smoke clouds over Juárez or Shanghai. But it’s worse when you masquerade as a friend of the working class, all the while taking huge campaign donations from financial firms and $225,000 a speech from Goldman Sachs. Salesmanship, as Donald Trump probably knows, only goes so far. Eventually the suckers tire of the pitch.

No friend of labour, Trump benefits from the Clintons’ reliance on Wall Street cash and works it to his advantage: ‘Look at me,’ he shouts. ‘I’m too rich to be bought!’ The Clintons have snubbed their noses at ordinary people for decades now, mocking them with bromides about ‘the future of our global economy’, ‘internet freedom’ and business ‘innovation’, so they shouldn’t be surprised when a Trump comes along and rouses the hoi polloi to a rage. The former Autolite spark-plug worker in Fostoria, Ohio, who used to make $22 an hour, knows that ‘innovation’ won’t bring back his old job from someone on two dollars an hour (any more than Clinton Foundation-sponsored ‘microloans’ will help poor Africans). In comes Trump with his supposedly straight talk, and desperate people, their intelligence insulted by the Clintons, rally to his candidacy.

Would that the Clintons actually believed some of their own rhetoric. There is, I concede, a principled case to be made for genuine free trade. But the Clintons don’t believe in anything beyond their own careers. They don’t really support free trade as a concept and they don’t oppose it either. Successfully harassed by Sanders over Nafta and Permanent Normal Trade Relations with China, Clinton suddenly dropped her support for the Trans Pacific Partnership (a trade deal designed to facilitate US corporate production in Vietnam and Malaysia to make up for rising labour costs in China). She’s lying when she says she’s changed positions, but her positions are meaningless in any event. For Bill and Hillary, ‘free trade’ is just a fundraising angle designed to please Wall Street grandees.

God knows why Bernie Sanders or Trump don’t ridicule Hillary’s six years of service on the board of Walmart, the gigantic retail chain that hates labour unions and loves buying cheap products made in China. In 2005, Hillary, then the junior senator from heavily unionised New York, piously sent back a $5,000 contribution from the company’s political action committee because the association with Walmart had turned bad for her image. But she hasn’t returned any of her director’s fees earned from 1986 to 1992, and I haven’t seen her calling for unionisation or pay rises for any of Walmart’s 1.4 million employees. As of 1 January a new, full-time entry-level ‘sales associate’ is paid $9 an hour. After completing Walmart’s ‘Pathways’ training programme, they are raised to a pharaonic $10 an hour, with the hope of someday making it to $13.38. For a former factory worker who once made $20 an hour with good health insurance, Pathways is a pathway to voting Trump. No euphemism (Walmart extolling its ‘competitive pay’ scale or Hillary promoting her ‘progressive’ credentials) can suppress the humiliation of the downwardly mobile.

Trump’s working-class supporters are supposed to be stupid about a lot of things, including foreign policy. But they’re clearly smart enough to understand that it’s they or their kids, not Chelsea Clinton or her hedge-funder husband, who fought the stupid war in Iraq. Hillary Clinton has never apologised for voting in favour of George W. Bush’s destructive folly, and she won’t. There’s a reason she embraced Bush at Nancy Reagan’s funeral. She has no shame.

Of course I won’t vote for Donald Trump. He’s a wolf in wolf’s clothing. But all around me I hear liberal sheep rustling in the fields, preparing to rationalise their vote for Hillary. I’d rather spoil my ballot by writing in ‘Jeremy Corbyn’ — and take my chances with the wolf.

John R. MacArthur is publisher of Harper’s magazine.

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  • Paul S HK

    What’s confusing about John MacArthur is how he attacks the one political grouping that at least tries to improve workers’ lives and a family which (when Bill was President) succeeded in squaring the circle Republicans rarely (never) succeed in squaring, of eliminating the deficit while increasing employment.
    Of course, the emails (boring indeed) were a lapse of judgment, but really, does anyone actually believe that the Clintons are more responsible for the evisceration of the American blue-collar class than the Republican Party?
    It’s a strange view.
    The elephant in the room is not the Democrats, nor the Clintons, but the obsessive attachment of the Republicans to feeding the richest in the community and taxing them less, while trying to push on a piece of string by shovelling out QE/equity market support in order to drive real growth in the the real economy – a failed venture as we can all now see, as consumers (aka workers) see banks sitting on funds, corporates engaging in buy-backs not investment, and executives pocketing the loot.
    But don’t let facts get in the way of a good rant against the Clintons, because, clearly, they are the source of all America’s woes.
    Talk about obsessive and wrong-focused ‘thinking’.

    • Ivan Ewan

      If the matter of breaking federal law and continuing to do so is “boring” then I suggest that perhaps the issue of who should or should not be President of the USA is beyond you.

      • Paul S HK

        I suggest if you believe the change in classification of mails to secret from unclassified after this – I agree wrong and foolish – use of private servers for public office purposes was publicised, is not a relevant fact in assessing the degree of culpability, then you are guilty of prejudging the offence in law.
        I’d also point out there were significant precedents from others of stature doing the same.
        Though I think the practice was wrong, let’s see if she’s charged and for what and with what result.
        I dare say the American people as a whole will have more say than you or me.
        Admittedly, they reelected GWB after an illegal and criminal war, dishonestly pursued, so what’s a few emails to them…

        • Jesse

          Paul… once again poor misguided Paul…. Foreign Government Information (the vast majority of the emails deemed classified) is born classified. No previous or current employee ever created their own server to use solely for government email as Hillary did, so stop with the false equivalence.

    • Cyril Sneer

      Oh the email fiasco… it was a little more than a simple lapse in judgement. She pressured her subordinates to break the law on her behalf.

      • kindness

        Curiously not one of the many committees which have looked into the e-mails has found that anything actually illegal occurred. Not one. So, how that discredits Hillary rather than those who continue to claim this was some national act of treason, I can not fathom.

        • Jesse

          Only one committee has looked into it. The FBI is now looking into it. Why would a Congressional committee continue to look into a criminal investigation?

    • Bosanova

      The “email fiasco” shouldn’t be so easily downplayed – its symptomatic of someone who thinks (knows?) that she’s above the law.
      Stats show the inexorable widening of the wage gap under both Dems and Republicans. They are one and the same for as long ad both are answerable to the donor class only. Trump is a demagogue but he’s the only one offering a choice to make a break from the donors.

    • muishkin

      If Clinton deserves credit for the tech bubble of the late 90’s so too does GW deserve credit for the housing bubble of the early oughts- unfortunately they both burst.

      • Jesse

        Democrats in general believe the DotCom bust never occurred. It is astounding to watch.

    • Yentrader2

      So the trivial talk of punishing producers tickles your fancy. Remember when we talk about the rich disparagingly you are also speaking of the Clinton’s, yet they have never produced or built anything, of course just their ban account. As a factual point, the FED rolled out QE on behalf of the current administration.

      • Paul S HK

        You’re forgetting Bill was a highly successful President. And left an economic legacy far stronger than the omnishambles clusterfxxk that was bequeathed by Bush43…

        • Yentrader2

          Study Economics- pull up a chart and see where the Dot Com Bubble started to burst- BEFORE Bush, during Clinton- and Bush reversed it with a simple $300 tax RETURN. However the housing bubble had been blown for a long time even before Bush- the community redevelopment act, was enforced to allow minorities with less then (sub prime) credit to afford the greatest accumulator of wealth in our history- home ownership- how did that work out??

        • Yentrader2

          As for Highly successful- how about an impeachment for lying under oath (as a trained and educated lawyer) and dead broke from lawsuits from scandal- How do you measure success?

        • Jesse

          Paul…. Clinton left Bush an economy going into a recession. For the love of God please inform yourself about the DotCom bubble.

    • Jesse

      Oh misguided Paul. Clinton rode the wave of tax surplus created by a technology revolution in the development and commercialization of the web. He left office with the Dot.Com bust (recession happened very early into Bush’s presidency due to that fact).

      I don’t know why some of you love to pretend the dot com bust never happened.

  • WFB56

    A refreshing take from the US, for a change in the Spectator; which reflects opinion amongst the many remaining sane Americans.

    In a choice between the crook and the clown, it makes even David Cameron look good.

    • Yentrader2

      I’ll take the Billionaire clown, who turned a million into 10 billion, clowns like that could change this country for the better and forever. Name a Kennedy who’s done that?

      • T-Mo

        For all your jaded and cynical aspirations, you embrace that fairy tale so eagerly.

      • Callipygian

        Actually he didn’t. He got about $200 million in inheritance, and his actual worth could be well south of a billion now. His companies have gone bankrupt at least a few times; he won’t release his tax return; he is probably a lousy money manager; and by some reports, he has underperformed the stock market. But you can fantasize all you like. It’s still a free country (for now).

      • WFB56

        He didn’t turn “a million into $10 billion”. His father had 30,000 apartments and the Donald didn’t have a job outside the family business or do a deal until he was in his 30’s. There’s no one, except Trump himself, that believes the $10 billion figure.

        I loathe the Kennedy’s but Joe Kennedy obviously went from nothing to quite a lot as his children and their many offspring are still living off of it.

    • Not impressed

      “The crook and the clown…” So succinctly put. Thank you. It’d be funny, if it weren’t so sad.

  • Bardirect

    Trump seems to be politically naive, but so did GWBush. And prior to 9/11 Bush appeared to be set on a more insular approach to foreign affairs like Trump now whereas Clinton claims an illusory competence without significant achievements in long standing problems (eg Middle East) and is fully implicated in the new areas of volatility? But isn’t the main selling point for Trump that he is largely independent of the guiding hands of numerous lobbies? And isn’t it time whether on the right or the left to make US politics look a lot cleaner?

    • Callipygian

      Oh give me a break. George Bush was and is a fine man, a man of integrity, patriotism, and knowledge of the world. Trump is a nasty little boy in a man’s clothing. I shall fight him every inch of the way.

  • zanzamander

    “vicious vulgarity of Donald Trump”

    Only viciously vulgar people think that. You’re a hater.

    • Callipygian

      No, he’s EXACTLY right.

      You are a troglodyte.

  • zanzamander

    Otoh, I think Obama is a vulgar and dangerous creep. Yet, I bet you and your wife voted for him. People like you don’t deserve Trump, you’ll be far better off with some mullah swinging a sword or stabbing Jewish kids.

    Creep.

    • ek ErilaR

      I think smarmy and unctuous rather than vulgar better describes Obama.

      • Callipygian

        How about profoundly ignorant, stupidly arrogant, and dangerous to the free world? An even more accurate description.

  • rationality

    When people call Hilary Clinton ‘Hitlery’, I just dont think that Hitler was anywhere near as bad as this witch.

    A lying, cheating, double crossing, husband raping, neocon shilling, corrupt, Libyan genocidal, psychopathic, Goldman Sachs hypocrite.

    Goodbye America.

    • Jonah Varlik

      I wish you wouldn’t pull your punches when you talk about her. (Nice avatar, by the way).

      • rationality

        Thanks! I would like it to be used further.

    • MiaEli15

      Wow! You are absolutely a despicable person to make such a statement.

      • rationality

        Am I? I would say that you dont know what Hilary Rodham Clinton is really about.

        Look around at everything going wrong. It will get worse with Clinton because she is corruptible and controllable by the people that are causing all these problems. Surely you can see that?

    • Sargon the bone crusher

      ever seen a concentration camp scumface?

  • ek ErilaR

    Vote Trump!

    The choice in the US is between idea of popular sovereignty and the hope and expectation that the US has better political institutions than did the Weimar Republic and the reality of a high Whig oligarchy.

    As bad as Trump might be Hilly will certainly be worse.

    • Bbudha

      Trump 2016, because inbred pigs have the right to representation, too.

      • David

        Is that your thing…calling people names? How smart you are.

        • Shazza

          The Left always resort to ad hominem attacks in lieu of critical argument.

        • Bbudha

          Is that your thing, calling Trump supporters “people”? How ridiculous you are. :))

        • Sargon the bone crusher

          Trump is all right. You are a turdlet.

  • Ray Spring

    Trump is the ultimate protest vote, which may bring needed sanity to the Western World.

    • Bbudha

      Only among inbred fascist pigs.

      • DrJackyl

        Resorting to insults and name-calling. Effective? Maybe not.

        • ShitstainMcgee

          Does Donald Trump not have a propensity towards both insults and name-calling? I admit that in accordance with common human decency “pigs” is a little too far, but look at Trump’s primary results and tell me whether or not insults and name-calling are effective.

        • Bbudha

          Just calling a spade a spade. I don’t know what “effect” you hope for.

      • Sargon the bone crusher

        The left are the inbred fascist pigs old sone, Look at your congress – the fasces are either side of the speaker’s chair! You are ALL fascists there!!!!!!

        • Bbudha

          Learn English, ridiculous pig :))

          • Sargon the bone crusher

            oi nows me ingish, skunkfart.

    • T-Mo

      In the sense that arson is a form of protest.

      • Ray Spring

        Not so. Arson destroys permanently. A vote is transient. But the direction has changed. The Western World cannot continue to spend more than it earns, neither can it export jobs and import people at the same time.
        Is that your photo T-Mo?

  • James

    Trump and Corbyn is going to be fun.

    • Shazza

      No. The Donald and Boris.

      • James

        Boris won’t be taken seriously as PM and I believe Cameron and Osbourne will leave the Conservative Party with a worse reputation that Blair’s New Labour.

  • Dan Richman

    I’m a Democrat in a swing state (Florida), and I will NOT vote for Hillary.

    • Yentrader2

      I thank you on behalf of myself and my children, and I applaud your bravery.

      • Sargon the bone crusher

        Why not get the little sods to thank him themselves!?!
        Can’t they do anything in your household????

    • MiaEli15

      Then you’re not really a Democrat.

      • T-Mo

        Actually it’s Clinton who is the fake Democrat, but thanks for playing this round of Capitulating to the Corporate Class. Here’s Johnny to tell you about your lovely parting gifts…

      • Sargon the bone crusher

        Yes he is. She is a growth. A pustule; a stoma.

        • twopartysystem1

          And it’s named after Sir Edmund Hillary!

      • Dan Richman

        I assure you I am. I’m old enough to remember when Democrats were for the working class. Hillary is not.

        • PSGute

          Jim Webb. The only sane candidate in this cycle, but unfortunately unwilling to pander to crazy. Not rabid enough to be a conservative Republican or a liberal Democrat. But the most accomplished person in the race.
          He was doomed to lose. Democrats hate actual winners.

      • RPDC

        Trump’s more of a Democrat than Hillary Goldman-Kissinger. But if you thirst for more War, Wall Street, and TPP, then by all means, keep supporting your candidate!

      • NoCountryForOldCountryBuffet

        Nor a true Scotsman.

      • PSGute

        I’m very conservative.
        Out of morbid curiosity I went to a Hillary rally in Orlando at Rollins College. Billy Jeff was the speaker. It was entertaining on a sublime level to listen to the man who signed the Defense of Marriage Act into law, signed NAFTA into law, worked with Newt to reshape welfare, and declared that “the era of big government is over” pander to every crazed victim group identifiable and act like their complaints were someone else’s fault entirely. While promising that Hillary would “fight for you”.
        You are only really a Democrat if you are capable of ignoring all previous behavior of politicians when they declare themselves suddenly “for” your cause of the moment. Face facts. Hillary may as well be a moderate establishment Republican. She’s closer to my worldview than yours.

        • Jim@DrDemocracy

          Thanks PSGute. I see the Clinton phenomenon very much as you do, except I wish she were what she says is and you’re glad she’s not. But the distance between talk and reality with both of the Clinton’s it so wide, I don’t understand why anybody likes either of them. Rollins is a lovely spot, though, in what is mostly a wasteland of a city. Hope you enjoyed the lovely old buildings and graceful old trees.

          • PSGute

            One of my kids is a Rollins grad and another is currently attending.

    • Jennifer P

      Lol. Well I live in Florida and am a registered Republican and will NOT vote Trump! So I guess we’re cancelling each other out.

      • twopartysystem1

        The only reason i have (briefly) joined the “registered republicans” (yuck) is to make sure Trump wins PA.

        • Jennifer P

          Admittedly a smart move on your part. A Trump/Clinton ticket is Hillary’s most guaranteed route to the White House.

        • Problematic: you’re damaging the GOP, which is fine by me — but at some small risk to America, which is never a good idea to indulge.

          -dlj.

          • twopartysystem1

            America’s been beat up by the thin, noncompetitive two-party “system” for decades. I’m not worried.

    • Brian

      I’m a former Republican in the same state, and I WILL vote for Gary Johnson if he wins the Libertarian nomination.

    • Garrison Traver

      So you would rather be supporting Trump if Hillary Clinton is the nominee?

      • Dan

        I don’t know that I’ll vote Trump, but I will not vote Hillary. Trump is a clown. Hillary is downright evil.

  • John P Hughes

    American voters may well give the World Hillary Clinton as President – the rest of us have no choice in the matter. What will matter to other Western countries, including the UK, is who she chooses as Secretary of State and Secretary of Defense. Together these two senior appointments can have more effect on the rest of the world than the President.
    Hilary has the opportunity of keeping in these two posts John Kerry and Ash Carter. Ash Carter is a particularly good Secretary of Defense because he has long experience in the Defense Department, having been an Under-Secretary under Bill Clinton and Deputy Secretary under Obama before the President promoted him to the top job.
    Keeping Kerry and Carter on taking over from Obama would be the best sign to the world that a new President Clinton could give – continuity, and no dramatic (or even any) changes in US foreign and defence policy.

    • Pioneer

      “and no dramatic (or even any) changes in US foreign and defence policy.”

      Are you suggesting that would be a good thing?

      • John P Hughes

        Probably a stronger policy than Obama is following is desirable on some foreign policy issues, though what major changes are needed is not obvious.
        On defence, Ash Carter is strengthening US capability in the European theatre after years when it was run down. Deterrence and containment of Putin is the most important policy the US can follow and Carter is pursuing this, even though Obama is not himself that interested. Who is Secretary of Defense may be more important for Europe than who the President is.

        • Sargon the bone crusher

          Stronger!
          God, what do you want to see – ISIS across the whole of north Africa????? Wasn’t he Muslim Brotherhood enough for you Democrat nutters??????
          Aaah but I forget – you can’t even identify where places are on the globe, let alone have the slightest bloody clue what is actually going on there
          And you are probably a nasty little anti-semite. leftie credentials these days.

          • John P Hughes

            Ash Carter is a good Secretary of Defense – and as a former Rhodes Scholar has the old-style US establishment link with Britain that Obama doesn’t have, and Hillary probably won’t be interested in. John Kerry was partly educated in France, speaks French (rare among Americans, let alone American politicians) and knows the country. If they stay in office under a Hillary Clinton Presidency there will be a conventionally close relationship between the US and the main Western European countries, and NATO’s coherence will probably be strengthened. Robert Gates when he stepped down from Defense warned of the dangers of declining European defence spending and lack of coherence, and Carter is the best man to press for a reversal of that trend.
            Americans may justifiably be worried about Hillary in the White House – she would be the most irritating occupant for decades if nothing else. But Europeans need not be if Kerry and Carter stay in their posts.

    • Torybushhug

      Trump will be commander in chief, why the utterly dull waffle about Clintons appointments I’m not sure

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  • MiaEli15

    Typical ignorant voice of a white privileged male. These white privileged males advocating for voting for Trump and/or implicitly voting for Trump by encouraging others not to vote at all or to vote for a third party, are not only pathetic, they are anti-American. Indeed, I bet some of them are just right-wingers posing as Sanders supporters.

    • Secular Brit

      Your argument lost all credibility when you wheeled “white privileged” out.

    • So… you’re attacking disenfranchised third party voters for not participating in a system that was explicitly rigged to prevent them from ever having a voice? Maybe we’re just tired of being told that we need to support deplorable people so that other, arguably worse people won’t get elected.

      Whats more anti-American… voting with your conscience and supporting the idea of an actual representative election regardless, or marching in lockstep with one of two parties who have been silencing alternative voices for years?

    • Jaynes

      I am a disabled woman on Social Security, MediCare, Medicaid, SNAP(food stamps) and subsidized housing. I will vote for either Bernie or Jill Stein in November. In the past I have always held my nose and voted for the Dem for president. I am putting my foot down. I will not vote to continue on as we are(endless war, making Bush tax cuts permanent, tax amnesty for corporations). Have you looked at Obama’s pick for the Supreme Court?

  • King Zog

    Rubbish article. I will take a royal sh*t on it.

    • Callipygian

      Flagged.

      • King Zog

        Eh?

  • Child_of_Thatcher

    Mass immigration is the issue and the political class has done nothing to stop it. If we don’t then our children and theirs will be living in a third world slum. I will vote for anyone who does something. So far that only looks like Cruz or Trump

    • What standard are you using, exactly? The statistics don’t back up your assertion that “mass immigration” is happening.

      Refugee admissions have dropped since 1990.

      https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/ois_rfa_fr_2013.pdf

      And, the number of illegal immigrant residents seems to be pretty steady from 2005 – 2011 at around 10-11 million. While that may not be acceptable to you (it isn’t to me) I would hardly call it a “mass immigration.” In fact, most of the people here NOW (as of 2011) entered between 1995-2004. With the numbers steady, it seems like there are around the same number leaving / getting deported as there are entering.

      https://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/publications/ois_ill_pe_2011.pdf

      DHS also deports a bit over half a million people per year, so I’d hardly call that “doing nothing.” Policy considerations aside, it helps if we are basing our evaluation in fact.

      • Sargon the bone crusher

        Since 1945 a tidal wave of mulattocratic horror has washed over the frontiers,

        • Manders

          Oh, awesome. A racist. Now we get to ignore you. Thanks for making it easy.

        • Shoo, racist troll.

          • Sargon the bone crusher

            Every human being has race awareness; every human being is acutely aware of the change in the racial, cultural and social structure of the society they live in. I am damned if I will apologise for regretting the collapse of the British monoculture and the appearance of a ghettoised and failing society of separate groups, with next to no cohesion, and Big Brother government and BBC media corralling the dupes into accepting whatever comes.
            Get stuffed, fascist liberal.

          • Using big words doesn’t change the fact that you’re one sheet away from a KKK rally.

            Might want to look up that word, fascist. I don’t think you know what it means.

          • Sargon the bone crusher

            I am not likely to be dented by the infantile nonsense a scummy little leftie like you utters.
            Yes, unlike you I am familiar with the meaning of fascism, and no, the attempt to tie in sensible race awareness with KKK is just pathetic. I will not respond to your cretinous rubbish again. Piss off.

  • Callipygian

    Moi aussi. If Trump becomes R nominee I shall be disenfranchised.

    NeverTrump
    NeverClinton

    • NeverMore?

      Quoth the Raven: Vote Poe 2016.

      • Callipygian

        No, I’ll write in Mitt Romney.

        • Sargon the bone crusher

          What a wt week that little runt is.

        • You could vote for one of the many alt party candidates, too… you’d have just as much chance of succeeding, and you might actually influence the process to effect positive change. We’re only stuck with two parties because people are too terrified to vote outside the box.

          • I’m a classical liberal. It will probably be Cruz as he will (in my view at this point) probably be the nominee. In any case, I’ll vote for all the Republicans down the ballot.

  • Jojje 3000

    Bernie Sanders is the real danger to western economy and cultural values. But the often so liberal media will not take on this view.

    • Josh Head

      Are you kidding? 95% of the media ignores Bernie as much as possible and most give overly biased coverage towards Clinton.

  • DellerboyNZ

    As US President, Clinton would only be equal to Nixon as the most flawed in living memory.
    Difference is we didn’t find out about Nixon until his second term. With Clinton we know it going in.
    A B C – Anyone But Clinton

    • Sargon the bone crusher

      She is vastly worse than Nixon. And Nixon was in very many ways, a great President.

      • RPDC

        Shared a flaw with JFK . . . thinking that taking on the CIA was a good idea.

  • SunnyD

    I’ve stopped getting agitated at hearing the words “Trump” and “grotesque” in the same breath, because a: I’m not American, therefore quite removed from the actual drama and b: I’m looking forward to hearing the rustling of tissues from across the pond as the nation gets down to wiping the egg off their faces.

  • UTokyoMeGodzilla

    Write in Bernie if it comes to that!
    Instead of giving-in to their corruption, I believe we have the capability and the momentum to not only send a loud and clear message to the DNC and the nation, but I think we can win too!

  • HungryHorace

    Bizarre article, and very thin on facts but lots of accusations. I wouldn’t vote for Clinton either. However to ignore the Republican party’s own role in the rise of the Donald or indeed the plight of the American blue collar worker is just wilfully ignorant.
    This article doesn’t deserve publication.

  • BillRees

    So this is yet another Spectator writer who describes Trump as “grotesque”.

    It seems to be the standard epithet that is applied to him hereabouts.

    And, like all the Spectator’s rather tedious writers on American politics, it completely misses the point.

    What is really grotesque in the USA is a national debt of 19 trillion dollars, a bloated government sector, uncontrolled immigration from the south leading to millions of undocumented people in the country, a global trading structure that has taken jobs away from the USA, and a terrorist organisation that is determined to bring America down.

    As far as I can see, Trump is the only candidate who genuinely wants to address these issues.

    He may be idiosyncratic, and I would certainly find him tedious company, but he looks to me to be America’s only chance.

    The alternative of Hillary Clinton would be too disastrous to contemplate.

    • Sargon the bone crusher

      Hillary is the one who is grotesque. Trump is simple, straightforward, and, as with muslims and healthcare, has excellent instincts.
      He is the best bet by a mile.

      • Allison Jones

        What color is the sky in your world?

        • twopartysystem1

          It’s a new, super chic color called, “No More Handouts”

          • Allison Jones

            So I’m assuming you are referring to handouts like the mortgage interest deduction on your taxes?

          • twopartysystem1

            Omg, no more steak here, just hamburgers!

    • Tim Errickson

      If he’s America’s only chance, it’s time to become Canadian. Trump is a disaster on all fronts. Can you get behind ANY of his policies or ideas to date (what few he has)? The Wall? The torture? C’mon guys, get in the effing game!

      • NormanWells

        Canada would be out of the conservative frying pan and into the liberal fire. But maybe you can buy one of the houses vacated by fleeing Canadians.

        • Tim Errickson

          Norman, do you have any citation for the number of “fleeing Canadians”? And there’s still no answer to Trump’s lack of substance as an actual candidate.

          • PSGute

            Come to central Florida. You can’t even begin to count the number of fleeing Canadians, Scots, Brits, Irish, German, French and others leaving the socialist dream.

          • Tim Errickson

            I’m sure. Got any stats or articles or documentation I could look at? I’m all for anecdotal evidence, but…

          • Tim Errickson

            And just to be crystal clear, what I’m saying is, EITHER Bernie or Hillary are miles better than Trump. The fact that it is even a question is an insult to all of our intelligence.

          • PSGute

            Bernie is a commie. Hillary is a moderate establishment Republican with serious credibility issues. Glad your bar is that low.

          • Tim Errickson

            And so you’d rather have a game show host? Whose bar is really that low?

          • Tim Errickson

            And if you’d like to speak about credibility issues, name one thing Trump is credible on…foreign policy? Economics? Domestic issues? Racial issues? Nothing. He’s gone broke multiple times, has no allies, not plan, but lots and lots of bluster. If you vote for him, good luck to you.

          • PSGute

            I never said I was a Trump supporter. Jim Webb. The only credible grownup in the entire circus on both sides. Write him in.

          • Tim Errickson

            Ok, let’s talk about this. What do you like about him? And aren’t you concerned that a vote for a write in third party candidate increases the chance of a Trump presidency?

          • PSGute

            Webb. Full scholarship to USC. Gave it up to go to the Naval Academy. Marine Infantry Officer in Vietnam, won the Navy Cross for valor. Identifies the guy who threw the grenade at his CP Marines in the battle that he was awarded that decoration as the enemy, not the GOP or other Americans.

            Georgetown Law. Congressional Committee Counsel.

            Best Selling Author (Fiction & NonFiction, multiple times).

            Emmy Award winning journalist.

            Secretary of the Navy under Reagan.

            Instrumental in the normalization of relations with Vietnam while Bill Clinton was President.

            Opposed the Iraq/Afghan fiasco, BUT still had a son serve as a Marine Infantry Officer in combat (service beats out politics).

            Ran for US Senate (on his own dime) & won specifically to break the chickenhawk GOP control of the Senate and oppose said wars. HIs son was the ONLY Senator’s son in combat in Afghanistan.

            Writes and speaks on the critical contributions of the middle class/working class in America, and the need to support them by enhancing opportunity here.

            An actual leader, honorable man, proven ability to work across party lines, supports his ideals with his own blood and treasure, and understands that with privilege comes responsibility.

            Understandably, less than 5% of Democrats supported him. He isn’t “for” every whining victim group in the world.

            To me the fact that this man could not get traction while Hillary and Trump can encapsulates everything that is wrong with politics in our country.

            No, I would not support a ticket with Webb as VP unless I was certain the “top” candidate had in inoperable brain tumor and was fading fast. I’m tired of voting against the evil of two lessers. Neither Hillary nor Trump is acceptable. I’m writing in Webb.

          • Tim Errickson

            Agree to disagree on this one. Webb’s website says he’s choosing to not be in the race. And I and a lot of people think Hillary to be a very viable, if imperfect, candidate. If she’s the Democratic nominee, she’s got my vote.

          • Tim Errickson

            What would you think if Webb were a VP for either Democratic candidate. He looks like a great person, I’d have loved to see him in this race.

          • twopartysystem1

            Never-had-a-job-Bernie vs. Bill’s Doormat. Magical, economic geniuses for sure. Seriously, I feel sorry for The Poor if that’s what they are going to get after eight years of suffering under anti-business Obama.

          • Tim Errickson

            To dismiss Hillary Clinton as Bill’s doormat is to discount her years as US Senator and Secretary of State, neither job I assume any of the people posting here could handle. Let me know when you’d like to speak with intelligence, I’ll be right here.

          • twopartysystem1

            I realize that she has spent time as a gov’t freeloader. We’re not impressed with the current gov’t so the fact that she has participated in it – on “Mahogany Row” no less – isn’t a selling point. I won’t go into all the bimbos, lying, whitewater, cattle futures, Rose Law firm records found in the WH, Secret emails, email server, FOIA avoidance, etc , etc, etc. You’ve just got to be able to find a better female hero to support.

          • Tim Errickson

            When Elizabeth Warren runs, we might have one. But you can’t slag all of the issues with HRC, and deny just as many or more with Trump.

          • twopartysystem1

            Trump’s a wildly successful, capitalist businessman who understands economics and isn’t tainted by the corrupted and intentionally non-competitive two-party “system”. What don’t you understand about Trumps appeal? PS – we don’t care about vulgarity, offending anyone or anything PC.

          • Tim Errickson

            Actually, if you do a little digging, you find out how many times Trump filed for bankruptcy, has no foreign policy experience, has no idea how domestic issues are handled, and cannot answer any question on national policy with any type of coherence. He’s a rich man, with a mediocre track record in business, and a larger than life profile. To me and much of America, that’s not enough to be President.

          • twopartysystem1

            Billionaires aren’t mediocre businessmen. By definition.

          • Tim Errickson

            Actually, if you look at Trump’s success/failure rate, you might think differently.

          • twopartysystem1

            Don’t be silly. Business is scored in dollars.

          • Tim Errickson

            Oh. Thanks for clarifying. #simplemathnotsosimple

          • twopartysystem1

            It really is simple. A billion is a very good score. And I know you’re not going to like this but… There’s no participation trophies!

          • Tim Errickson

            Let’s suppose you are right. Do you think economics is the only issue facing a president? He has NO experience or knowledge, about how many of it works.

          • twopartysystem1

            Like Obama?

          • Tim Errickson

            You do recall he was a senator, right? Spoke at Democratoc National Convention?

          • twopartysystem1

            Yes, your right – that’s lots more experience than Trump. I give.

          • Tim Errickson

            Trump just came out and said women you receive abortions should be punished with jail time. How do you feel about that?

          • twopartysystem1

            I think you are embellishing. But candidly, I don’t care about special interest issues. Infrastructure, taxation and defense. That’s it.

          • Tim Errickson

            Actually, I’m not. Wish I was. It was an interview with Chris Matthews. It’s all over the news. And perhaps you aren’t interested in these issues, but a President has to be interested in these issues. This is a domestic, cultural, and economic issue.

          • Tim Errickson

            running a country isn’t running a business. Never was and never will be.

          • twopartysystem1

            It sure needs to be. Fools run up $20t in debt knowing it dilutes those who have the least the most.

          • Tim Errickson

            More like one, yes. Completely like one, no no no. So on that note, you’re open to higher taxes on the one percent?

          • twopartysystem1

            Of course not. Why do you want to take their money? Why can’t you make your own?

          • Tim Errickson

            So you then have a different plan for deficit reduction? Or to fund the infrastructure needs or job creation that most on the right ask for ?

          • twopartysystem1

            First we reduce spending to our income level – like everyone else. Then we make sure that everyone is paying income taxes. Flat income taxes.

          • Tim Errickson

            That’s actually not deficit reduction, that’s balancing the budget. You’re still in a 20t hole with your plan.

  • voidist

    with that grotesque voice she sounds like ” chucky ” , the little monster doll when she talks

  • Connecticut Farmer

    In a word: “Amen.” The two worst candidates I have ever seen. The good news, however, is that at long-last this may signal the beginning of the end of that anachronism known as the two-party system.

    • Roger Hudson

      Sorry , the third party always cripples one of the front two giving the election to the other big beast, look how Ralf Nader votes in Florida gave the White House to Bush ( worst president in history) in 2000.
      My advice, hold your nose and vote for Trump ( his future uselessness is currently unknown but we all know how bad Clinton’s going to be).

  • Meg

    🙂 … I encourage you to read history to get a better context of the present situation in the US.. I fully understand the author of the article, BUT, in reflection points in history, one should choose wisely. Yes, Hillary should be chosen as this time, and yes if you don’t vote, you will help Trump. Hitler was elected by about 30% of German voters, as others refused to choose the existing alternatives as “too left”, “too centrist”, “too revisionist”, “too …. There is no perfect candidate, thank God, as if it were, we would have never needed to evolve as humans, but Hillary is the best choice at the moment, and silence and not voting means voting for a primitive and dangerous man, Trump!

    • ChiGal

      Actually, Hitler wasn’t elected to anything – he was appointed as chancellor in Jan. 1933. When he ran for President, he was defeated by von Hindenburg. I loathe the Donald, too, but can we retire the Hitler comparisons for once and for all?

      • Cyril Sneer

        No not where the left are concerned.

        Anyone who doesn’t conform to their views is Hitler. They’ll even commit violence and disrupt the rallies of political opponents just like what Hitlers brownshirts did.

    • Sargon the bone crusher

      You are obviously quite a simple soul. Another idiot who refers to Hitler, in no intelligent way, with no comprehension of the man or the times; Trump is a simple and straightforward man, who will use excellent advisers and respect their views. Hillary is a self-obsessed egomaniac.
      That you cannot see that is unsurprising.
      Hitler.
      Really! Grow up.

      • Allison Jones

        Donald Trump is Howard Stern without humor, compassion or good hair. Oh, and he’s also a text book example of narcissistic personality disorder. None of that qualifies him for the presidency.

        • Sargon the bone crusher

          So you say. But who are you?

          • Allison Jones

            Someone who has listened to Trump be interviewed by Howard Stern for 25 years. He has co-opted Howard’s entire approach, without realizing that Howard is a radio host, not a presidential candidate. I also have a clinical license and work with people with personality disorders all the time. He is textbook.A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

            (1) has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

            (2) is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

            (3) believes that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)

            (4) requires excessive admiration

            (5) has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations

            (6) is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends

            (7) lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others

            (8) is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her

            (9) shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

          • Sargon the bone crusher

            With the exception of 7 in your list, all the itemisations apply quite clearly to Madame Clinton as well. Dissociated egomania is what the western political systems promote. Other examples – Blair, Brown, Chirac, and in the US Trump, the other Clinton.
            What is your conclusion? I suspect Trump would act conservatively and be guided by good advisers, but has right wing value sets – nothing wrong with that. As for Clinton, after North Africa and Egypt, she should be tried and incarcerated for life, in my view. And by North Africa, I do not refer to benghazi – that is another matter.

      • Tim Errickson

        when has Trump ever listened to others? There’s no track record of this. Look at his repeated failures in business. He’s an ego, nothing more.

      • Daphne (iboga queen)

        I do not like Hillary, but Trump is very dangerous. I have no problems using Trump’s name and Hitler’s name in the same sentence. And it will be his supporters who will feel his wrath the worst, the “poor and uneducated” (Trump’s words)

    • Cyril Sneer

      Yet another anti-trump post and yet another reference to Hitler, a man who has been dead since 1945.

      You idiots are beyond parody.

      • Father Todd Unctious

        Oh what a shame did someone else criticise the dribbling Donsld?

  • Allison Jones

    I love simplistic articles like this: The notion that the Clintons were formed in a vacuum reflects a writer who either has no sense of American history, or hasn’t been paying attention. The Clintons are a perfect reflection of us: Concerned about others up to a point, but ultimately driven by selfish greed. Collectively, we dismay of our nation’s high levels of child poverty, homelessness, income inequity, racial injustice, gun violence … and yet we are unwilling to sacrifice our own comforts to bring about real change. Nowhere is this better illustrated than in our near total aversion to tax increases at any level. It doesn’t matter how we label ourselves. When push comes to shove, there is no real will in this country to fund the programs and services needed to effect real change. The writer has placed himself on a high horse here, dismissing the Clintons and their Democratic ilk for essentially accomplishing nothing since the 90s. He apparently knows nothing of the fight over welfare reform and the enormous compromises that Clinton was forced to make when faced with Newt Gingrich’s Congress – elected, I might add, because Americans were afraid that he was taking the country too far to the left. I get that the writer is frustrated. But he and other liberals (like me), must look into his own heart and ask himself how much skin he has in the game. Is he willing, for example, to give up his mortgage interest deduction? Has he ever even asked himself why we call social welfare programs “entitlements” but take for granted the far-greater entitlements that he and I are afforded? Probably not, because – again – he’s far more comfortable up there on his high horse.

    • ChiGal

      Since he’s on his high horse, you ought to be able to look him right in the eye.

      • Allison Jones

        I spend my days in urban nursing homes, trying to assist people who have never enjoyed any creature comforts in their lives and now suffer even greater indignation toward the end. Their voices are never heard in these high-handed conversations, but I truly believe that at the very least they’d like to keep the few benefits they now have. My wealthy, liberal friends keep chastising me for being “out of touch” and not getting on board with the “revolution.” Really? Just what, exactly, are you all contributing and willing to sacrifice?

        • mohdanga

          Take a look at the percentage of income taxes paid by the dreaded top 1%…..are they not contributing enough??

    • Sargon the bone crusher

      Incremental change to a European level of socialist degeneration.It is not sophisticated to opine as you do – just bloody naive.

  • AmericanLiberal

    I loathe Hillary, but will vote vote for her against Trump or Cruz without any hesitation at all.

    • Sargon the bone crusher

      You must love the Muslim Brotherhood.

      • Tim Errickson

        No, we understand that Trump is not a viable candidate for the leader of the country. He has no plan, he has no experience, he has no allies, he has nothing but bluster and bullying and insults. I’ll take Hillary or Bernie any day over Trump, and so with this country when we get to November.

        • mohdanga

          Hillary was a disaster as SofS, her team was lead by an operative of the Muslim Brotherhood. What a great leader she will be!

          • Tim Errickson

            Disagree with you. She was a terrific Secretary of State, and will be a terrific President.

          • Cyril Sneer

            You really are quite quite oblivious as to what you dumbf cks will be voting in.

          • Tim Errickson

            Oh really? I think we’ll be voting in voting booths and polling stations. What do you think we’ll be voting in? Phone booths? A Chuck-E-Cheese?

      • AmericanLiberal

        Actually not. You must love the Ku Klux Klan.

        • Bradley

          Hillary was a fan of Robert KKK Byrd

  • JPVan

    I refuse to vote for Trump or Clinton under any circumstances. More sensibly, my write-in ballot will be for Snoop Dogg.

  • Sargon the bone crusher

    Hillary is a bloody monster – she and Obama deliberately gave the whole of North Africa to the Muslim Brotherhood, then cynically manufactured a load of horsepoo called the ‘Arab spring’. She shook Morsi’s hand as soon as he took over; now the Egyptians have kicked them out and have passed death sentences on many hundreds, she, Obama and the Americans are as popular in Egypt as the Black Death was in Europe.
    Se is a self-seeking little monstrosity.
    Trump is simple by comparison, not sophisticated but I suspect will get great advisers around him, and, unlike her, will act on their recommendations. He is also correct to stop muslim migration, a thing Britain wishes above all things it could reverse time to be able to address.
    Only a mad person would vote for the ‘experienced’ Clinton. She has so much blood on her hands, the gore goes up to her elbows.

  • Tickertapeguy

    Donald Trump is normal to the average American and only “grotesque” to the elite. He speaks bluntly and in a simple language that is not decorated with high flooting speeches. If one finds that “grotesque” then check out how Hillary Lords it over the audience, how Cruz speaks like an orator but sounds so insincere.

    Ted Cruz does not even qualify to run as President according to the US constitution. Yes I like the way Donald Trump speaks and I like what he is saying.

    • OmnipotentWizard

      “Donald Trump is normal to the average American…” Hardly. He is a joke just like Corbyn is in the UK.

      • Tickertapeguy

        Donald Trump leads the Republican party with 730 plus delegate votes
        Due to Trump over 55 thousand Democrats left the Democratic party
        When Trump cancelled the last debate so he could concentrate on campaigning, the other candidates also cancelled since no one would watch a debate without Trump. Does that say anything to you?

        • OmnipotentWizard

          “Does that say anything to you?” Yes – it says you produce unattributed figures quoted out of context and then draw incorrect conclusions.

          • Tickertapeguy

            Check them for you have not
            10 thousand in one state
            45 thousand in another
            last debate cancelled and a day later so did the other candidates.
            anyway how come you are so against Trump? don’t you have anything to say about Hillary, Cruz or Kasich? or is all your venom only for Trump?
            how about Obama? is he the perfect person for you?

          • OmnipotentWizard

            Still unattributed.

          • Tickertapeguy

            Fine. I am not here to convince you. I am quite content with my information.

          • Headstrong

            Randomly quoting figures won’t get you anywhere, Bernie. Maybe giving a link to some authentic sites will 😉

          • Tickertapeguy

            Now that you told me that you have problems due to your um “How about the mongrel offspring of Tamil doctors shamed into exile” as per your quote you have issues regarding your background
            I cannot help it if Indians treat you badly. May explain why you are a mental case. Hey that is your problem deal with it

          • Headstrong

            Uh? resorting to gobbledygook, Bernie, when you have no response?

          • Tickertapeguy

            Hey Mongrel how are you doing? get some mental help. you need it

          • Tickertapeguy

            You can write all you want. this is the last time I reply to you on this forum. :”tamil Mongrel”

          • Tickertapeguy

            So why do Indians call you a “mongrel”? that is disgusting. Are your Tamil parents pariahs or something like that? I read that Indians treat Pariahs worse than d0gs.

          • Tickertapeguy

            🙂

          • Tickertapeguy

            Now I know that you consider yourself a “Tamil Mongrel”. learn something new 🙂

        • Headstrong

          ‘Does that say anything to you?’

          It says to me that someone who upvotes his own comments is pathetic, Bernie

          • Tickertapeguy

            So the Tamil mongrel comes back. hey Mongrel do Indians call you Dalit mongrel, Muslim Mongrel, Hindi mongrel, since “mongrel” means a mix of many things. and who is your “bernie” your mongrel boyfriend? lol that is pathetic Tamil Mongrel to call other commenters by your boyfriend’s name.

    • John P Hughes

      Ted Cruz was born in Calgary, Alberta. However the supposed principle that no one can be President unless they were born in the United States or one of its dependencies does not appear to be correct – at least no longer. Cruz’s mother was a US citizen when he was born, and this is apparently enough to qualify him – the courts have now decided.

      • Tickertapeguy

        No it is not.
        This is one area carefully grafted in the Constitution. Ted Cruz’s father has to be an American. not the mother. Only a “natural born” American whose father is also American qualify, not a “naturalized American citizen”
        In addition Ted Cruz held to his Canadian citizenship till 2014. He does not qualify and the Constitution supersedes any court ruling.

        • aileron220

          “This is one area carefully grafted in the Constitution. Ted Cruz’s father has to be an American, not the mother.”

          This reminds me of an article in the Onion – “Area Man Passionate Defender Of What He Imagines Constitution To Be”

          Why don’t you go read the US Constitution? It’s not too long, and you may be surprised to learn that your qualifications you imagine for president simply aren’t in the text.

          • JabbaPapa

            Ulysses Grant was born in Ohio, which was outside the US at the time of his birth.

            Chester Arthur was quite possibly born in Canada, though he had a Vermont birth certificate, and was obviously American as such.

            Martin Van Buren was born in the Netherlands, but he was eligible anyway by virtue of being a US citizen at the time of the adoption of the Constitution — he is the only POTUS known to have been born outside US territory as such or on territory which subsequently became US soil during his life.

          • John P Hughes

            It seems that the Constitution is not inflexible about this, as used to be claimed. With American citizens working in other countries, with their families with them, on a large scale, restricting the Presidency to those whose mothers gave birth to them within the 50 States of the Union would be hard to justify now. It doesn’t appear to have created a demand to amend the Constitution.

          • JabbaPapa

            The term “natural-born” is obviously flexible, though it would clearly exclude anyone born into a non-US Nationality.

            The legal redefinition of what “Nationality” means in both US Federal and International Law clearly challenges the traditional interpretation of the limitations of eligibility described in the First Amendment.

          • Tickertapeguy

            No there is a fundamental difference between
            “naturalized citizens”
            and
            “Natural born citizens”
            Ted Cruz is a Naturalized Citizen (not a natural born citizen) and does not qualify to be President.

          • Tickertapeguy

            In addition when it comes to this office the parents of the candidate have to be natural born US citizens. That is why Rubio does not qualify since both his parents were refugees from Cuba and not “natural born citizens”

  • Nick

    He is not grotesque and in fact,I think he is the most handsome man in the world.

    And he is only saying what we are all thinking.

  • Mickey Kovars

    You might as well vote for Trump, rather than give half your vote to Hillary.

  • Andrew Folts

    Look, I dislike Trump as much as anyone, but politicians like Hillary Clinton made it possible for him to gain popularity in America. Most people are tired of sanitized, corporate rhetoric that disguises candidates’ real thought processes and intentions. By the time Clinton’s finished with all her BS, you can’t even decipher the actual point she’s making—it’s all just verbal puree designed to appeal to the maximum number of voters, while limiting the ability of anyone to hold her accountable down the road for what she did or didn’t “promise”.

    • Jennifer P

      Couldn’t that whole last sentence apply just as easily to Trump?

    • LordJustin

      “as much as anyone”????!!! Don’t claim to speak for me! As a successful post graduate educated professional, I don’t “dislike Trump”. And the only people i know who claim to do so are either idiots who let the media tell them what to think, or members of the Establishment who see him as a threat to their Elite lifestyles. The majority love Trump.

      • Andrew Folts

        You, my friend, are one very confused human being.

        • Cyril Sneer

          Why is that? Because he won’t be voting the way you want him to.

          • Andrew Folts

            No, because he’s actually a certified crazy person. He thinks he’s going to build a giant wall between the US and Mexico and get them to pay for it? LOL. In what universe? They’re burning his effigy in Mexico right now.

      • Andrew Folts

        Ok calm down there, little Billy. Isn’t it past your bedtime?

    • Cyril Sneer

      Trump is actually incredibly popular much to the anger of the establishment.

      So the ‘I dislike Trump as much as anyone’ doesn’t really wash and is pandering to lefty propaganda smears and lies.

      I agree with the rest of your post though.

  • John P Hughes

    Hillary Clinton will do all right as President in foreign affairs and defence if she keeps in post Barack Obama’s two top officials, John Kerry at State and Ash Carter at Defense.
    Ash Carter is a good Secretary of Defense – and as a former Rhodes Scholar has the old-style US establishment link with Britain that Obama doesn’t have, and Hillary probably won’t be interested in. John Kerry was partly educated in France, speaks French (rare among Americans, let alone American politicians) and knows the country. If they both stay in office under a Hillary Clinton Presidency, there should be a conventionally close relationship between the US and the main Western European countries, and NATO’s coherence will probably be strengthened. Robert Gates when he stepped down from Defense warned of the dangers of declining European defence spending and lack of coherence, and Ash Carter is the best man to keep up the pressure on European governments to increase their defence spending – which they commit to but do not carry out..
    Americans may justifiably be worried about Hillary in the White House – she would be the most irritating occupant for decades if nothing else. But Europeans need not be, provided that she keeps Kerry and Carter in their posts – and she has no reason not to..

    • Tickertapeguy

      Due to Hillary Clinton when she was Secretary of state that the disastrous “Arab Springs” took place.
      Hillary Clinton was also Secretary of State when the “Benghazi Scandal” happened
      Hillary Clinton is for
      Obama care
      Open borders.
      high corporate taxes
      and much more of the toxic policies of Obama.

      • LordJustin

        In other words, offer the earth to the poor and, when they vote you in, conduct business as usual to benefit your corporate backers – just like Obama

      • John P Hughes

        Hillary Clinton wasn’t a good Secretary of State; John Kerry is better. What will matters to European countries if Hillary becomes President is the capability, power and influence of both the Secretary of State, whom (unlike the President) is seen regularly this side of the Atlantic; and the Secretary of Defense, who has the role of maintaining US defence deterrent power against Putin…. and keeping European NATO countries under pressure to maintain the agreed levels of defence spending, which they tend to backslide from if they can.

  • Allison Jones

    The author is a hypocrite with inherited billions who has the luxury of staying home on election day because his country club life won’t change one iota either way. Does he not see that he is both Hillary and Trump, but with a magazine that someone else bought for him?

  • Mark Bloom

    How is the author’s family foundation – the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation – any less of a legal money laundering scheme than the Clinton Foundation? Both facilitate the inter-generational transfer of wealth and payment of enormous “salaries” to their cronies. Both are heavily invested in Wall Street hedge funds … the MacArthur Foundation to the tune of $140 million. Mr. MacArthur muses that the Clintons can’t possibly believe their own rhetoric. One could safely say the same thing about him.

  • Andrew Baxter

    Spoil your ballot or don’t vote, it is the only rational choice when presented with Trump or Clinton.

    • Leon Bonaventura

      If it was your religion which was going to be discriminated against, you would vote.

      • LordJustin

        Calm down, dear. Nobody’s going to discriminate against any religion. The nasty lefties are just trying to scare you – as usual!

        • JabbaPapa

          So why is Hillary campaigning on the basis that religious doctrines must be forced into conformity with secularist ideology then ?

        • Leon Bonaventura

          Trump said he wouldn’t allow Muslims into America. Get a dictionary. Discrimination against religion is when you treat one religion differently from the others. Saying you will treat Muslims differently (by not letting them in)= discrimination. Yes I know it’s not your religion. I was hoping not to talk to Republicans about this. Last time I debated you guys it was about the Iraq war. Almost 100 percent of you knuckleheads supported that, calling me a leftie or a communist, etc etc. Let me guess, you’re the only one who didn’t. Yeah sure. Learn to think for yourself.

          • mohdanga

            Err, does a sovereign nation not have the right to determine who gets to enter it? Not sure why Muslims why should be allowed to but enlighten us. Not many Germans and Japs being allowed in from 1941-45, we’re in the same situation now.

    • LordJustin

      Idiot.

  • Mark Bloom

    Pity poor John and his wife, who are just heartsick over the prospect of having to vote for either Hillary or Trump, both of whom run in the same circle, BTW. Maybe they should just take the helicopter out to the Hamptons house on election day and get a couples massage instead. We wouldn’t want them to suffer any more than they already have.

  • Martin Jennerson

    Trump is funny, strong-minded and honest – these attractive qualities mean he gets many votes. If he was “grotesque” he would haven’t got many at all.

    • JabbaPapa

      The last American I befriended (however briefly) was just as loudmouthed as Trump, and personally very likeable.

      • LordJustin

        The biggest “loudmouths” I have ever known were all fully paid up members of the Labour Party and their trade union comrades. You can’t criticise someone for being a “loudmouth” because you can’t cow them into submission with YOUR OWN loud mouth.

    • Jennifer P

      I actually disagree fully with your first sentence. “Funny” is the closest to being true, but he’s not clever or witty. He’s comical in the way that a drunk racist grandpa is. You’re laughing at what he’s willing to say because it’s crazy, not because it’s actual humor.

      Strong willed? Eh. He’s bull-headed and has no problem being offensive, but he’s also highly over sensitive and spends half of his time interviewed complaining about who’s being “nasty” to him. Seriously, listen to an interview and count the number of times he says something along the lines of, “I don’t like them. They’ve been really nasty to me”). He hijacked a presidential election to defend the size of his manhood for chrissakes!

      Honest? Um, no. Not even close. He’s flip-flopped on all of his social positions. Advocated war crimes then taken it back. Pretends he’s never met people he’s met. Lied about his finances. Lied about the outcome of past lawsuits. Lied about his businesses. I mean, he even lied about golfing with Samuel L. Jackson. There is literally nothing he won’t lie about.

      • LordJustin

        Like all lefties, you’re ignoring what the man says and attacking him personally with lies and sneering pseudo intellectual arrogance. If you can’t discuss the issues, you don’t deserve your right of free speech.

        • Alex

          Actually, her entire post consists of listing (contradictory) things Trump has said.

      • Martin Jennerson

        “You’re laughing at what he’s willing to say because it’s crazy, not because it’s actual humor.” – No I don’t agree with that, I find he’s very funny because of timing, dryness, and a wild personality, willing to go to where other people wouldn’t. Plus the ridiculous outlandish statements.

        “Strong willed? Eh. He’s bull-headed and has no problem being offensive, but he’s also highly over sensitive.” – He broke Politically Correct taboos and was the subject of intense *worldwide sustained* media attacks on these occasions. The vast, vast majority of people would find it hard to hold their position, but he doesn’t at all. V strong minded. On the other hand, as you say, he does have this thing where he cannot ever seem to rise above or let a comment go.

        “Honest? Um, no. Not even close”. – I’m not referring to his attempts to self-publicise, what I mean is if you ask him for his opinion on a particular issue, he is much more likely to give his honest opinion on that issue without regard for what people will think of him because of that. That’s quite an unusual characteristic, most people hedge, and politicians particularly.

        • Jennifer P

          Regarding the humor thing… I think you just agreed with me without intending to. He’s not funny because he’s clever. He’s funny because he’s basically a walking cartoon character. Fun to laugh at? Yes. But it’s frightening that anybody would vote for him based on that. Who’s next? Peter Griffin in 2020?

          As for strong willed and honest? He was pro-choice in 2000. Now he’s supposedly pro-life. He declared that we have to wipe out Muslim women and children in a publicized interview, then he took it back. He said he wouldn’t denounce the KKK endorsement, then he did after being pressured. He said he wasn’t making fun of the disabled reporter and had never met him personally. Then it was revealed that their working relationship goes back 2 decades. He said we have to round up all of the illegals and deport them, then he said that the ones who contribute significantly can stay. He said he has never settled a lawsuit even though he has settled many. He has vowed to sue people and never followed through. He has 3 failed marriages, a string of affairs, makes creepy comments about his daughters, isn’t forthcoming about his net worth, claims to be self-funded even though he’s solicited millions in campaign contributions…

          …But aside from that – yeah – he’s super straightforward!

          • Cyril Sneer

            As we can see here lefties like Jennifer are allergic to the truth.

          • Jennifer P

            That stuff is all documented fact, darlin’! And I’m not sure why it’s relevant, but I’m actually right-handed.

    • LordJustin

      To a leftie, “grotesque” means “does not agree with me”

    • Catherine Masak

      President Trump is funny strong-minded and honest about his love for America. all I want is a president who would put American interests first. Trump 2016

    • Grant Wesley Parks

      Being unafraid to say offensive things doesn’t mean those things are “honest”. You fall into a huge group of people that think the two are equivalent.

      • Martin Jennerson

        Semantics. I mean he is someone unafraid to say offensive things. I sometimes admire that quality, thought it can be tiresome. I think he carries it off well, although many other people who try to “tell it like it is” just come across as boring. He isn’t boring or a bore IMHO.

      • Cyril Sneer

        Ah the permanently offended.

        Anyone who is not of the establishment is ripe for attack and whatever they say will be taken as offensive. Like wanting controls on immigration is regarded as racist to many on the left – they basically don’t like it when someone has a differing opinion to their lefty race identity BS and is more popular for it.

        Trump dumps on political correctness – that’s a vote winner today.

  • Susie K.
    • Leon Bonaventura

      If it was your religion which was about to be discriminated against, you wouldn’t say that.

      • LordJustin

        When will the left stop lying about Trump? He has no intention of discriminating against any religion and he has never said he would. More commie scare mongering!

        • Leon Bonaventura

          Trump said he wouldn’t allow Muslims into America. Get a dictionary. Discrimination against religion is when you treat one religion differently from the others. Saying you will treat Muslims differently (by not letting them in)= discrimination. Yes I know it’s not your religion. I was hoping not to talk to Republicans about this. Last time I debated you guys it was about the Iraq war. Almost 100 percent of you knuckleheads supported that, calling me a communist, etc etc. Let me guess, you’re the only one who didn’t. Yeah sure. Learn to think for yourself.

          • Martin Jennerson

            so what? America also discriminates by nationality – some nationals are allowed to enter without a visa, others are not. This discrimination is for security reasons. The proposed temporary ban on Muslims would be for security reasons.

          • Leon Bonaventura

            You guys really didn’t get smarter since that war did you? You’re ok with discrimination based on religion are you, Martin? Is that really what you’re saying? Both Republicans and Democrats claim loudly to oppose it. It’s against the constitution. But you’re such a knucklehead you actually want to debate whether maybe it’s ok sometimes. I’ll just repeat my original point. If it was your religion which was about to be discriminated against, you wouldn’t be so happy. If I said, you can’t come into my restaurant because you’re a Christian, or whatever you are, you wouldn’t like that. Think about it!

          • JabbaPapa

            Well, it doesn’t directly violate the First Amendment :

            Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

            SCOTUS might strike such a measure down, but a particular immigration policy towards targeted populations does not appear to violate their freedom of religion ; except that denying refugee status to a persecuted religious minority prevented from freely exercising their religion in their home territories would be a direct violation of it, as well as of the historical causes that motivated the Amendment in the first place.

            I dunno — it sounds more like electioneering rhetoric than a serious policy proposal, due to its dubious constitutionality.

          • Martin Jennerson

            Yes I’m ok with it when it’s based on security. If I was a protestant Christian from Scotland, and there was a consistent and long-term trend of protestant Christians from Scotland traveling abroad and committing attacks against for e.g. Muslims from north Africa, I would understand if the north African countries placed a travel ban on protestant Christians from Scotland temporarily for *security reasons*. My position is very clear and obvious.

            I’m obviously clearly dealing with a PC zealot here so I will spell it out;

            *I understand your points but think that security for one’s self should be a priority, this is above avoiding upsetting others because you have discriminated against them en masse*.

            *I understand that discriminating against others en masse can create additional security issues, but I think PC people overstate this hugely, and that people will understand and to an extent sympathise with a temporary ban much more than you think*.

          • Leon Bonaventura

            So you’d be ok with, for example, being banned from going near schools because as a Christian, you’re statistically more likely to shoot it up than a Muslim or an Atheist?

          • Martin Jennerson

            Oh dear ridiculous non-point, trying to draw equivalence where there is none. Those school shooters do not attack because of ideological reasons – they don’t profess belonging to an ideology, nor to a group. In contrast, organised Islamist *groups* claim responsibility for attacks.

          • Leon Bonaventura

            Look at that! You’re using exactly the same arguments the Muslims use. It’s not our religion. It’s just a few crazy people! Our religion is one of peace. Most of us are just normal people wanting to live our lives! So you don’t like it when it’s you then, Martin. What a surprise.

          • Martin Jennerson

            “You’re using exactly the same arguments the Muslims use. It’s not our religion. It’s just a few crazy people! Our religion is one of peace. Most of us are just normal people wanting to live our lives!”

            Except I didn’t use those arguments. Slight problem for you there.

          • Leon Bonaventura

            a) no, you’re using the same argument. Any liberal Muslim will tell you “those bombers are NOT Muslims and are NOT doing what they’re doing because they’re Muslims. Same argument. You choose to ignore their argument. You choose to say it’s about Islam. I can choose to ignore your argument too and say it’s about Christianity. It’s idiotic, but you do it.
            b) But you wouldn’t like it if your own country did it because that would be unfair. And it is unfair.
            c) How are you going to distinguish yourself!? Look, I’m saying, as a Christian, you’re more likely to blow up a school. It’s statistically true. But to accuse you of anything?? It’s a totally moronic accusation!!! How can you possibly take it seriously? You don’t have to “distinguish yourself”. But you’re doing exactly the same thing to them. Why does a person just like you have to distinguish himself from a bunch of psychopaths?? The problem is that you think “they’re all the same”. It’s idiotic. It’s hopelessly un-American. It’s unconstitutional. It’s intolerant. If you’re unable to tolerate different types of people with different beliefs then while you are welcome to stay in the West, it might be time to ask yourself if you’re really compatible with our values.

          • Martin Jennerson

            a) No this isn’t hard:

            “You choose to say it’s about Islam.”

            NO I DON’T. THE JIHADISTS CHOOSE TO SAY THEIR ACTIONS ARE IN LINE WITH AND INSPIRED BY THEIR VERSION OR VISION OF ISLAM. THIS IS THEIR CHOICE, I HAVEN’T ASKED THEM TO DO THIS. IF YOU WOULD LIKE EVIDENCE OF THIS, THERE IS PLENTY.

            “I can choose to ignore your argument too and say it’s about Christianity.”

            GREAT. BUT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE PERSUASIVE. AS IN EVERY CASE THAT I KNOW OF, THE PERPETRATOR HAS AT NO TIME INDICATED IN ANY WAY AT ALL THAT THEIR ACTIONS ARE INSPIRED BY CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE OR GROUP MEMBERSHIP.

            My argument is consistent. As I’ve said in every single previous post – if school shooters professed to be Christian protestant ‘jihadists’ and were targeting non-Christian protestant jihadists across the globe and domestically, I would:

            1) say these people are not proper Christian protestants and should be excommunicated
            2) despite this, i would understand that other nations may wish to discriminate against the entirety of my group (Christian protestants) temporarily in terms of migration, until such time as the agitators in it could be removed/suppressed/properly excommunicated and/or distinguished in a meaningful way.

            This is a perfectly logical position.

            B) “But you wouldn’t like it if your own country did it because that would be unfair. And it is unfair.”

            I’ve told you i would understand it and would not think it hugely unfair. I am me, therefore I am likely to be able to better predict what my reaction would be.

            C) I don’t understand what you’re arguing here. However:

            “If you’re unable to tolerate different types of people with different beliefs then while you are welcome to stay in the West, it might be time to ask yourself if you’re really compatible with our values.”

            It seems like you’re the on who has problems with people with different beliefs, hence your indicating I should leave the West, because of the incompatibility of my beliefs with your politically-correct idea of what Western values are/should be.

          • Leon Bonaventura

            Martin, I understand that you’re a republican. But do you really, seriously, not see anything idiotic about only listening to the terrorists? Do you not think it’s just a little bit moronic to take the terrorist’s opinions over the opinions of the Muslims who are not terrorists? Really? How about listening to what the other Muslims say? They tell you those terrorists are crazy and they’re either not Muslims or they’re wrong about Islam. But you don’t listen to that do you? Those people sound exactly the same as you do when you talk about Christian terrorists, but you won’t listen to them or take them seriously. Instead, you listen to the terrorists. It is just amazing to me the sorts of argument Republicans make, and it really is very similar to the sort of idiotic discussion I had with you people before the Iraq war. Totally devoid of logic or reason. Those Muslims are terrorists so Saddam must be the same as them because he’s a Muslim too. The same stupid, stupid ideas. Let’s attack Iraq because they’re terrorists. They’re Muslims! Terrorists. Idiotic.
            I’m going to leave this now because I have an early flight tomorrow and you people have never been able to listen unless a big loud man shouts at you from a stage. But let me tell you one last thing. When a Democrat, atheist president finally wins when I’m a very old man, and he says that Christians will be banned from going near schools “until we figure out what’s going on”, I will defend you, Martin. Even though you wouldn’t defend others. Even though, if you were in Germany in the 30s, you wouldn’t protect the Jews. I’d protect you and your religion from that kind of discrimination because that’s what civilised people do. If only you were tolerant enough of other religions to do the same.

          • Martin Jennerson

            “They tell you those terrorists are crazy and they’re either not Muslims or they’re wrong about Islam. But you don’t listen to that do you? Those people sound exactly the same as you do when you talk about Christian terrorists, but you won’t listen to them or take them seriously. Instead, you listen to the terrorists.”

            You’ve clearly not read a word I’ve written. If you’re going to argue, please try to absorb/process what your opponent is saying. This is a basic courtesy.

            “When a Democrat, atheist president finally wins when I’m a very old man, and he says that Christians will be banned from going near schools “until we figure out what’s going on”, I will defend you, Martin.”

            We will be on opposite sides of the argument then. If people of a particular religious group are carrying out atrocities against schoolchildren repeatedly and are citing religious or other doctrine as their motive, I would certainly ban members of that group from going near schools to assure the safety of children.

          • Cyril Sneer

            You clearly haven’t been listening to the opinions of muslims either.

            I know, I know, when the facts don’t suit your narrative you ignore it.

          • Grant Wesley Parks

            “THE PERPETRATOR HAS AT NO TIME INDICATED THAT THEIR ACTIONS ARE INSPIRED BY CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE”

            Do you read? Lots of “Christian”-inspired terrorism in this country.

          • Martin Jennerson

            a) there isn’t “lots” by any measure
            b) the argument was about school shootings.

          • Cyril Sneer

            You’re the perfect example of why the left is so utterly f cked.

          • Cyril Sneer

            Are you some sort of joke?

            Oh you must be a liberal.

            Oh just move to Raqqa ffs.

          • Leon Bonaventura

            It’s “move to France”, Cyril! Seriously, it’s true what they say about Trump supporters being the least educated people in the country. You guys debate like you barely completed high school. Islamic State discriminates based on religion. You need to tell me “move to France”, where they don’t discriminate based on religion, or even “move to America”. Raqqa is where they do exactly what you’re saying. And you think I’m the joke! No wonder Trump supporters keep saying that poor people who don’t speak English are somehow “taking away your jobs”.

          • Grant Wesley Parks

            “this is above avoiding upsetting others”

            Nice try. Should be phrased as “this is above the Constitution”. Because that’s what you’re advocating.

          • Martin Jennerson

            Theoretically:

            a) if it is above the Constitution, fine, I don’t see it as a document that should never ever change
            b) out of interest, where in the Constitution does it talk about an interdiction on banning entry to non-citizens on religious grounds?

          • Cyril Sneer

            “You’re ok with discrimination based on religion are you”

            Yes!!

            Open your eyes! Or move to Brussels.

          • “Trump said he wouldn’t allow Muslims into America.”

            No he didn’t. Is the rest of your ‘debate’ so dearth of fact?

          • Leon Bonaventura

            It’s always amazing to me how uninformed Republicans are. What, did you miss the whole month of news coverage on this? Do you have any idea what’s actually happening? How is it possible to miss this? Here, I’ll give you a link- don’t worry! It’s Fox News, the only news source you think isn’t propaganda. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/12/13/trump-defends-plan-to-ban-muslims-argues-extremists-in-that-religion-are-sick-risk-to-us.html

          • Cyril Sneer

            Wrong.

          • Leon Bonaventura

            It’s always amazing to me how uninformed Republicans are. Did you miss the whole month of news coverage on this? Do you have any idea what’s actually happening? How is it possible to miss this? Here, I’ll give you a link- don’t worry! It’s Fox News, the only news source you think isn’t propaganda. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/12/13/trump-defends-plan-to-ban-muslims-argues-extremists-in-that-religion-are-sick-risk-to-us.html

      • Susie K.

        You say that as though Hilary is your only option. There are still 2125 delegates left. There are still 222 undecided superdelegates and of course Hilary’s superdelegates can always switch sides. Sanders has a good chance still, considering he’s now entering the more liberal states. I’m voting for Sanders.

  • Leon Bonaventura

    These liberals who tolerate fascism are worse than the fascists themselves. At least the fascists who vote to discriminate based on religion or race think it’s a good thing to do. These people know where that leads us but won’t vote against it. If it was the author’s nationality which was being attacked, or the author’s religion which was about to be banned from US soil, he would vote. It’s disgusting that he refuses to defend others when all he needs to do is vote. Other people have died to defend people of different religions and races while he’s giving justification for not even being prepared to vote to do so.

  • LordJustin

    If you claim that Trump is “grotesque”, then you clearly think that the majority of ordinary people who support him, because he will defend their jobs and way of life against your low-wage, no-opportunity New World Order, are also “grotesque”. The truth is that it is the socialist Establishment who are “grotesque” because they look down on, despise and seek to crush the 99% who do not accept their self-appointed right to rule.

    • Ozzy Guy

      “Grotesque” doesn’t even begin to desribe the repulsive cultural marxists and buffoons who are are in charge of Britain and Western Europe.

  • John Cross

    Thank you Mr MacArthur for repeating every single vapid and empty Berniebot accusation against Clinton in one place. It is like a one-stop shop of stupidity and insinuations. Of course, not a single shred of evidence is provided to show that the Clinton’s have ever taken a bribe or engaged in any other form of corruption, no evidence at all that Clinton’s policies or free trade or NAFTA had anything to do with the loss of jobs in the Mid-West, a decline that started in the early 1970s and that has absolutely nothing to do with free trade and absolutely everything to do with the corruption of racist American Unions and the incompetence of American managerial systems mindlessly subsidized by billions and billions of dollars in protective tariffs. No proof whatsoever of any of the other mindless accusations repeated ad nausium by berniebots on an everyday basis to justify their support of an old man screaming empty promises and an economic theory that is 50 years out of date. Please do not be a disgusting hypocrite. If you really prefer Trump to Clinton, then please vote for Mr Trump. Either way, if Trump wins you will only have yourself to blame for your Naderite rejection of all evidence and logic in your blind hatred. Now I understand why I have always disliked Harper’s Magazine and it’s elitist pseudo-liberal outlook on the world. Maybe you think you are privileged enough to be unaffected by a Trump Presidency, but surely the Wealthy Jews of Berlin thought the same thing about Hitler.

    • GoJebus

      You have to admit though, she’s still a poor choice for President. There’s also plenty of material around that suggests she is as bent as a nine bob note.

      Poor America having to choose between a psycho-monkey and another gravy train rodent.

      • Tickertapeguy

        You forgot the 3rd choice which is growing
        SECESSION!!!

      • Richard Baranov

        Actually there is little or no evidence that “…she is as bent as a nine bob note.” It is all insinuation and it started because she and her husband were parvenus, her husband especially, putting the establishment nose out of joint…an Arkansas hillbilly in the White House, oh my god! In fact he was no such thing but that didn’t stop the scurrilous accusations which have continued to the present day.
        They did the same thing to Jimmy Carter, the “dumb peanut Farmer”, belittling and malicious insinuations of outsiders is the stock in trade of the Washington insiders. But Jimmy didn’t have further political ambitions so now he has become an “elder statesman”. If he hadn’t he would be subjected to the same treatment that Clinton is getting.

        • GoJebus

          Does that include the scurrilous accusation that Billy put his married c#ck in Monica Lewinsky’s mouth, or the one where he paid Paula Jones $850k for sexual harrassment, or the one where he was fined for contempt of court (for repeatedly lying)?

          • Richard Baranov

            And how does that apply to Hillary being a crook? Please explain. And, actually he wasn’t lying, he used a lawyers trick strictly adhering to the letter of the law. Besides which the morality card is the last refuge of hypocritical puritans who can find no evidence for real corruption, an allegation you have still not proved in your self-righteous reply but rather gone off on a sanctimonious tangent. I’m absolutely sure you are qualified to cast the first stone, aren’t you!

          • Richard Baranov

            And how does that apply to Hillary being a crook? Please explain. And, actually he wasn’t lying, he used a lawyers trick strictly adhering to the letter of the law. Besides which the morality card is the last refuge of hypocritical puritans who can find no evidence for real corruption, an allegation you have still not proved in your self-righteous reply but rather gone off on a sanctimonious tangent. I’m absolutely sure you are qualified to cast the first stone, aren’t you!

          • GoJebus

            It doesn’t explain Hillary’s crookedness, no. What it does is answer
            your false claim that the accusations against Bill were scurrilous. They
            were not. He was impeached. You don’t get impeached just because you are a hillbilly.

            P.S. why do you always have to play the man and not the ball you f@cking d#ck head?

          • Richard Baranov

            Sorry, he was not impeached, there was an attempt at impeachment. Kindly learn the difference.

          • GoJebus

            Kindly f@ck off Baranov

          • Richard Baranov

            Sorry, but you are the one that has been caught out with misrepresentations, you suggestion that I remove myself is nothing more than the inarticulate whining of the intellectually challenged ignoramus that resents fact because it violates his bigotry.

          • GoJebus

            You really are a sperm trumpet of the highest order

          • Richard Baranov

            Truth has a habit of making ideologists spew their ignorance even harder. It is far less effort to simply tell the truth. But I doubt that you have ever tried that, bigots simply don’t care for fact.

          • GoJebus

            There isn’t the scale yet made that can measure the depths of how pathetic you are Baranov. Look in the mirror you tw#t!

          • Richard Baranov

            Oh and by the way, this iswhat actually happened: “The senate did not reach the 2/3’s majority needed to fully process his impeachment. Clinton was impeached by the House on two charges. The first being perjury, and the second being obstruction of justice. Following this he was acquitted by the senate.4 Feb 2012.”
            http://history.stackexchange.com/questions/1296/if-bill-clinton-was-impeached-why-did-he-finish-up-his-second-term

            And since you are making scurrilous accusations in the first place it is somewhat out of order to accuse me of playing the man and not the ball. That you have to resort to profanity rather proves the feebleness of your argument and your observation about me, which is worth as much as the rest of your false opinion.

          • GoJebus

            Why don’t you take your fat head and shove it up your ar#e you prize pri#k!

          • Richard Baranov

            Incredibly intelligent remark, where were you educated. The sewage system of London?

          • GoJebus

            You haven’t taken my advice I see

    • Bob smith

      I’m curious about what you mean by racist American unions? They’re corrupt and counter productive that I know from first hand experience unfortunately being a member of a labor union.

  • WRGerman

    John Cross just nailed it–this ‘article’ is nothing but a catalogue of Lies About Hillary.

    • If it’s a catalogue of lies you’ll have no problem listing them.

  • Ingmar Blessing

    What if the electors don’t play along at the end? I mean, Americans don’t vote a candidate directly in the general election. They give their vote to an elector, who then has the mission to pick a candidate, which usually is the person who got the most votes by the people.

    The problem is, this system is not imperative, at least not in all cases. In effect the electors could pick e.g. Romney instead of Trump although he got the most votes.

    I don’t think Trump will end the GOP. The bigger danger is that the GOP picks a different candidate behind the doors, which quite likely will destroy the party. The biggest problem tough is the non-imperial elector problem above. Because that would break the whole US apart. I seriously doubt, that a president picked like that would be accepted. It would turn the US into something China.

    • Bob smith

      Abraham Lincoln was given the nomination at a convention. I don’t think he was the front runner going into it. I think anyone given the nomination outside of trump or Cruz however will be viewed as illegitimate by GOP voters no matter who they support.

      • Ingmar Blessing

        Great example: The man who didn’t like the legal(!) Secession of several states because he really liked centralism and the concentration of power.

        First he promised the southern states that they can keep slavery if they just come back and then he illegally(!) waged war against them when they preferred their independence over the elitist control.

        • Bob smith

          Ha are you seriously disparaging Lincoln? Also I was just saying there is historical precedent for a candidate being selected in a convention then going on to win.

          • Ingmar Blessing

            I do. He was the candidate of the establishment, which feared its power and backed someone who’d illegally wage war to defend their goals. They picked him as candidate got the media in line and all went well.

            My view on elites and the media have gone through a rough and fundamental change due to recent events. Sorry for that.

            PS: Ans also my view of the USA as a good country. It isn’t. It fundamentlally isn’t.

          • Bob smith

            yes America is evil and western civilization is responsible for all that’s wrong in the world. I generally respect different opinions than my own but your world view is twisted.

          • Ingmar Blessing

            What part is twisted?

            I’m not informed about the campaigning process that brought Lincoln into power, but it makes me very suspicious when something important is fumbled out behind doors. Especially when it has such consequences like Lincolns presidency. His entire term in office was one big war without legitimation, respectively a false one that has been attached afterwards.

            The war started soon after he got into office and soon after it was over he got murdered. An I guess you are aware about the medias influence on public opinion.

            This is imo the summary of bad people wanting bad things on the expense of others no matter what.

          • Bob smith

            It’s false that slavery was ended? I don’t follow.

          • Ingmar Blessing

            No. I meant, slavery was not the reason for the secession and slavery was not the reason for the war. Power and interest were.

            It is always said that the North wanted slavery to be abolished and the whole thing went down because of that. But it didn’t. Lincoln even offered the south to keep slavery alive if they join the Union again peacefully.

            The entire narrative about the USA is a lie. It was never about anything else than the interests of a very small cast of very rich people who controlled – and still control – the entire government (as well as enough other governments).

            Therefore it would be a disaster of mass proportions if Trump made actually it into office. The until now unknown fact that Lincoln was cheated into office sheds another light on that.

            FYI: I am against slavery!

          • Bob smith

            Doesn’t sound like it. The Republican Party was founded as an abolitionist party. Their intent was clear from the start.

          • Ingmar Blessing

            Why then would Lincoln allow the seceded states to keep slavery?

          • JabbaPapa

            Because he viewed both the dislocation of the US and civil war as being even worse ? Because he thought that if they stayed, abolition would be inevitable anyway, and without the bloodshed ?

          • Ingmar Blessing

            You have a point, but this i such an obvious attempt that the confederates couldn’t take the offer. Economically the result would have been the same for them like a lost war. And in such a situation you try, which means war.

            A better and acceptable offer would have been to end the intake of new slaves and giving the existing ones the chance of buying themselves out of their misery in exchange to payments by the north (e.g. to buy out slaves).

            That would have led to a bearable distribution of the cost burdens for the abolishment to about 2-4 decades or 1 or 2 generations.

            This was how they did it in Prussia when they ended the serfdom system. It took longer, but it worked well at the end.

            Since this happened 50 years before Lincolns time in office and Prussia was well known back then he must have known about the solution. But he obviously preferred the – unnecessary – blood and steel fix.

        • JoeCro

          The greatest President.

      • Bob Nix

        There were no primaries in the candidate selection process in Lincoln’s time. The candidates were chosen by the party. Going to a convention was entirely different in that time.

        • Bob smith

          True but candidates didn’t go into the convention with an equal number of delegates. They had to be won at the convention and Lincoln wasn’t thought of as a front runner. That’s my only point.

  • grimm

    Trump is like Obama in an odd way. He has become the focus of a neglected section of the electorate who believe he speaks for them and hope he will change America into the kind of country they have a future in. If he actually does win there will be serious disappointment just as there was with Obama.

    What can “the leader of the free world” actually do? In spite of frenzied media commentators piddling in their pants with excitement/horror at the prospect of a president who is a bit different from the last one the fact is that a few policies implemented during 4 years in office won’t turn America and the West around.

    • Pioneer

      You will be surprised.

    • cuttinghedge

      Hopefully authorise less drone strikes?

  • Catherine Masak

    Trump 2016

  • GoJebus

    Clinton = all that is rotten and sick with politics
    Trump = what happens when the people grow weary of the ‘more of the same’ politics embodied in that grasping, twisted little woman.

    It’s clearly not ideal, but Trump at least represents a fork in the road.

    • jeremy Morfey

      Leaving forks in roads can lead to punctures. I prefer to have my fork in the sausage.

      • GoJebus

        What you do with your sausage is up to you sir.

    • johnhenry

      And when you come to that “fork in the road”, take it, as a famous yoga instructor once said.

  • MC

    Will those complaining about Trump’s threat to close mosques in the US also campaign for Synagogues and Churches to be allowed in Saudi?

    • Miss Floribunda Rose

      No, they won’t.

    • richard1949

      actually the formula should be one Mosque opened in the UK / USA for every Church opened in Saudi and for the moment, the current mosques in the UK and USA closed to match the number in Saudi, sounds fair to me

  • Miss Floribunda Rose

    Although it is rather fashionable at present to express a dislike of Trump, I myself absolutely adore the man and agree with every damn thing he says. There, I’ve said it…..

    • Dexter vs Sinister

      And why not.
      Good for you.
      You have free speech , we in the UK do not.
      Use it while you can.

      • twopartysystem1

        Never should have given up the guns, UK. 🙂

        • Dexter vs Sinister

          We didn’t. They were banned under law after 2 bloody massacres.
          Semi automatic weapons after Hungerford, where a loon with an AK 47 went nuts, and handguns after another maniac went on a shooting spree in a school in Dunblane.
          At the time it made sense to the public.
          Now , not so much.
          But from our government’s point of view, it keeps the restless natives quiet.

          • twopartysystem1

            I’m with you. It’s the false trade off politicians sell between security and freedom. Here in the US, the terrible, transparent corruption we have in Washington has put most conscious people on notice about the direction of our basic rights. Gun and ammo sales are at record levels. And that is a direct result of the politicization and corruption of the thin, two-party US gov’t.

    • reb1rth

      Well said.

    • David Beard

      Interestingly, Piers Morgan says he’s known the man for ten years and ‘he might say some stupid things’ but he’s not a racist.
      Well, if he can pass the Piers test. Say no more ; – )

      • Miss Floribunda Rose

        Even if he is a racist, I don’t care. Racism doesn’t bother me.

        • David Beard

          It has to in the wider world. But in any case, Trump has quite a few black voters and followers and Muslim friends. Also check out his celebrity followers. Over here Nigel Farrage could only rustle up the support of Mike Read. And look what they did to him.

        • GodSaveTheMachine

          Wow.

          • Miss Floribunda Rose

            Wow?

          • GodSaveTheMachine

            Well, you said racism doesn’t bother you. It’s a little ignorant, don’t you think? I’m not sure what your race is, but I’d likely guess that racism isn’t an immediate issue in your life. However, it is in other people’s lives. Your apathy only serves to further cause them suffering. Thus, the “wow.” As in, “wow, it’s scary how dangerous your apathy is.”

          • Miss Floribunda Rose

            Many white people are racist, it is true, but black and Asian people are even more racist. Asians are the most racist of all, of course. This is why blacks and Asians do not have relationships with one another–or if they do, it is so rare as to be almost non-existent. This is also why such relationships are never portrayed in popular culture, in advertising, etc. As for myself, I do not define myself by race. My race means nothing to me, and I am opposed to identity politics of any kind. Nor do I do not care about racism. Other people can think as they please on this subject, but personally it doesn’t bother me or particularly interest me. If such an attitude is dangerous, then so be it. Wow.

          • twopartysystem1

            Zzzzzz. All that PC/”racism” stuff went out with Obama. Everyone is tired of politicians pitting people against each other. It’s a made up problem that politicians perpetuate.

        • Cyril Sneer

          He’s not a racist. Real racists are few and far between.

          Ignore what the left say – they’re full of sh t.

          • Miss Floribunda Rose

            I am a racist. I decided to become a racist in September 2007. It is voluntarily assumed. I shall cease being a racist in September 2017. Ten years a racist.

        • twopartysystem1

          Especially after seeing Obama flail as the inconsistent and arbitrary “racism” decider-in-chief. It’s become a comical subject.

      • Cyril Sneer

        I feel sorry for Trump for having to know Piers Morgan personally for over a decade.

  • Mike

    American “regular Joes” have proven to be right about how to run the world more than once, despite their *apparent* lack of sophistication. They’re also the ones that physically pick up the pieces when it falls apart.

    Outsourcing manufacturing to China is to the benefit of the overall economy. However, it is NOT to the benefit of the factory worker in the USA. Not everyone can be a PR consultant, and there’s some social peace to be had from having good factory jobs available EVEN IF it comes at a net overall cost. Also, not everyone can be retrained at any time. Part of the job of government these days is to slow down change a little. Not stop it, but slow it down to a level that people can adapt to.

    That’s a thing that NOT usually considered by free market theories, which I generally believe in.

  • Roger Sutherland

    Donald Trump is not grotesque and I hope people keep voting for him.

    • OmnipotentWizard

      He’s the love child of Sarah Palin and Groucho Marx.

  • The PrangWizard of England

    Take heart, you doubters and faint hearts. I am in England and old enough to remember when Ronald Reagan was campaigning for President. He didn’t behave like Mr Trump, but there were many in the media, and on the Left generally who tried to portray him a dumb ex-actor who could not possibly know anything about serious politics and the rest of the world, and that we would be unsafe if he were to be elected.

    The subversive Left, up to their odious tricks were, as usual, proved completely wrong. It is the Left which is the dangerous force in the world.

    • richard1949

      They actually portrayed him as a Dumb ‘B’ movie actor, I don’t know why I remember this, but when a USAF Jet shot down a Libyan Fighter Airplane in the middle of the night Washington time, he was asked by one reporter if he was woken to be given the news he replied, “No why should I, it was one of theirs not one of ours”

      Perhaps the other one I remember best, is that …..

      “Everyone in favour of abortion has already been born”

    • RB’s

      The Regressives kept it up for years after Reagan was elected, too. Remember all those SANE-Freeze sapsdupes for the Soviet Union marching in the streets?

  • crazydave789

    so why not vote for bernie then. after clinton is arrested by the fbi the field will be clear.

    • Jim@DrDemocracy

      I don’t need her arrested to know that Bernie is a much, much, much better choice for our nation.

  • quotes

    mcafee 2016

  • How does serving on the Board of Directors of a major corporation headquartered in Arkansas, where she was one of the leading lawyers, constitute being “on the take”?

    This is Republican Gucci-gulch talking points at the worst.

    -dlj.

    • crazydave789

      daft thing is it isn’t republicans who are complaining about her it is her own people.

    • RAFREE

      She also fought on that board for better working conditions for their workers, very hard. I lived there back then and remember her doing so but, let’s not confuse those who have bought into twenty five years of right wing talking points. Some of the things in this article are patently false.

      • emily dibb

        Mr. Free, it’s nice to be naiive, but no need to expect others to be so too.

      • Jim@DrDemocracy

        What, EXACTLY, did Hillary do about working conditions for their workers? I’m not aware of a single improvement from the time she was on the board. You may be misremembering and putting two different thoughts together: Hillary was on their board and later WalMart made tiny and almost costly improvements for some workers. Walmart employees remain the largest single group of public benefit, because they are paid poorly and their benefits are worse.

    • Jim@DrDemocracy

      Well, for one thing, you are probably not familiar with the benefits of being on the board of directors of such a thing, maybe more familiar with church boards and such. Walmart non-management directors receive compensation that, this year, is $160,000 per year in annual equity award of shares. So, unless you think being given large amounts of shares would not affect your point of view, she was on the take to Walmart…as she is on the take more recently to Wall Street via “speaking fees” and has been on the take from somebody since high school.

    • HOPE AND CHAINS

      “One of the leading lawyers????” You might want to bone up on your Hillary history before you vote for this shill as POTUS. Hillary flunked the DC bar after law school. She finally passed the bar in Arkansas, but no firm would hire her until her husband became attorney general.

      Her law professor recommended her to Jeffrey Zeifman who was working on the Watergate investigation. Zeifman, a lifelong Democrat said this about your girl Hillary after he fired her:

      “She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer. She conspired to violate the
      Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the committee and the
      rules of confidentiality.” This was when she was 27 years old. She’s only gotten worse with age.

  • crazydave789
  • The PrangWizard of England

    The MSM here in the UK is all anti-Trump. There has been a piece just now on following his comments about Europe being unsafe and weak, and he is of course correct, the muslims are determined to kill as many of us as they can, wherever they can. And their terrorists have the active and passive support of the muslim population.

    Their callous and calculating murder of hundreds of people recently is affecting tourism, down in some places by 20/30% but SKY News, for information mostly owned by Rupert Murdoch, is putting out a report today (28th March) diverting attention to Donald Trump’s comments and saying that he ‘we’ do want to hear such things. They then show Kerry saying pretty much the same thing, but try to suggest his is saying the opposite.

    For those of you in the US who may think that the UK is place of freedom and free views need a reality check. We are dominated by an anti-American and wholly Left wing media, particularly the BBC but followed by Sky News which is campaigning as hard as possible to smear the name, abilities and reputation of Mr Trump. (By anti-American I mean anti-Republican America). They revere Obama and his views and are desperate for Clinton or even Saunders to be elected- it is embarrassing to watch sometimes. Freedom of speech here is severely curtailed, the muslim cause is supported officially and the police crack down on those who say anything anti-muslim when they can catch them.

  • MisterMan

    Why grotesque? Because he’s fed up of watching western countries being bombed by people who immigrate into them? Yeah what an awful man.

  • Jacobi

    Trump is not grotesque. He is a new and permanent factor in US politics and it would seem
    increasingly in European politics including the UK.

    He represents the voter who is fed up to the teeth being ignored but used by the various political elites who all pursue their own agendas backed by enormous wealth.

    While strictly speaking none of our business here in UK I think we can say that the present and last few presidents of the USA have been at best a waste of space and at worst disasters. The word hypocracy has been mentioned and that certainly applies, particularly to the present cardboard cut-out current candidates – apart from Trump that is.

    • enoch arden

      The new phenomenon in the US politics manifested by the advent of Trump is the apparent turning of the public opinion to isolationism and protectionism. This is a healthy trend after decades of crazy neocon globalism.

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  • enoch arden

    I am sure all the ISIS supporters are dreaming of Hilly’s presidency. They have a rational reason for that. The rest of her admirers are simply crazy.

  • oresme2

    The government debt percentage in the U.S. is 104%, getting close to the 120% from 1945. What a mess! The problem is only created by Ronald Reagan and his completely unnecesary cold war effort which increased it from 30% to 60%, and George W. Bush with his silly wars in Asia.. At least it improved in the Clinton years. The warmongers never liked the Clinton years.

    It is funny to read all this stuff from the ISIS-fraction in the newspapers with you in front, all so unhappy with the idea that a woman is president of the U.S.A.

    • Cyril Sneer

      Oh a woman who ‘could’ be President… European countries have had female leaders for quite sometime.

      I don’t think us in Europe are unhappy with a female president just unhappy with another corrupt lying bag of p ss who will only continue the insane neo-lib foreign policy of which I’m sure you are utterly oblivious to.

      I guess you voted for Obama because he was black just like you will vote for Hillary because that thing is regarded as female.

      You’re the quintessential democrat voter – thick as fudge and totally oblivious.

      Oh by the way Hilary hasn’t won the election yet so there is no female President unless the all American raisin has had a gender change recently? I bet you’d vote for it all over again if that happened.

      • oresme2

        Calm down, dear. What you are doing is bad for the blood circulation. If you ever have something constructive to say you can tell me.

    • Jim@DrDemocracy

      I’d happily support a woman President who I know would support fairness for working people. Hillary Rodham Clinton is not that person. I would vote for Elizabeth Warren in half a heartbeat. Hillary’s BIG barrier is not that she’s woman. It’s that she is and always has been a self-serving and dishonest person.

  • J. S. Hansenius

    It’s rather too bad the GOP has gone off the deep-end this term. This was the election that most Americans have been waiting for, the chance to stick it to the bleeding heart progs on the left. The left has earned disdain that most of the country feels towards them. The bad treatment that they will get under the next GOP POTUS will be rightious. It may not be Trump, I for one hope he doesn’t win but don’t be confused, only by the GOP running someone as out of touch as Trump do the left have chance this cycle.

  • stefanstackhouse

    Actually, a vote for Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson would be a far more rational answer. He still might not win, but I can assure you that “none of the above” will definitely not win. Frankly, at this point I consider either a Hillary or Trump win to be a loss for the USA.

    • Jim@DrDemocracy

      I agree. They would both be losses. The problem with the Libertarian brand is that it’s so thoroughly slimmed by completely irrational ideas like no government, and legal tribunals from corporations to work through international trade disputes…just like the TPP.

      • Brian

        No ideology is without it’s drawbacks. And almost no person is an ideologue. How about going in the voting booth with the intention of making a hiring decision after reviewing each of the candidate’s resumes. If it’s Gary Johnson as the Libertarian nominee (which it likely will be), then you might just find a candidate you can support who isn’t Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump.

        • Jim@DrDemocracy

          Brian, I already have a strongly preferred candidate. Was just trying to make a civilized comment regarding Libertarianism which, I am sure you know better than I do, has more flavors than toothpaste. And I’m not saying that’s a bad thing. Just saying, what the heck is core meaning of that term in our society? Not at all clear.

          No, as for me, I see only one candidate to believe in: Bernie Sanders. I am a strong supporter of his, having captained a precinct on his behalf in the Iowa caucus, recruited others to the cause, and made monthly donations since October.

          • Brian

            I apologize if my comment did not come off as civilized. I’m a bit of conservative-leaning libertarian myself and the conservative part of me can be a little rough around the edges lol. Think typical old school hard*ss Republican like Reagan or whatever Dubya thought he was. But my social views are not with the Republican Party.

            My cousin who lives in Iowa volunteered for Bernie, too, as did one of my best friends who lives in Jacksonville, FL. She’s in love with the old guy lol. I respect democratic socialists like Bernie Sanders even though we have a very fundamental disagreement about the role of government in our society. I want less; he wants more. We both have good intentions, I just believe the free market (a true free market, not the crony capitalist garbage we have right now) does a better job at allocating resources and reaching better outcomes for society than democratic socialists.

            Now, I’ve never been a Democrat and I’ll never be a socialist. Economic liberty is too important to me. But I’m willing to be pragmatic. A competitive free market does the best of any system at allocating resources in a society and the outcome is usually the most economically efficient for society. I have a Master’s in Applied Economics from Florida State University and if I learned nothing else from that experience, it’s that I’m a libertarian and I really think they have the best ideas.

            However, for some goods and services, such as education and health care, maybe economic efficiency is not the best goal (I think it’s the most reasonable that can be expected, but I still try to be open-minded). Maybe a focus on universal issues works best. Whether it works best or not, it sure seems like most societies desire universal provision of such services. In any case, a debate about HOW best to achieve our shared goals is a thousand times better than whatever a Trump vs. Clinton debate would look like.

            Anyways, I don’t mean to ramble, but here’s all I’m saying: if Bernie Sanders doesn’t get the nomination for the Democrat party, I encourage you to consider the Libertarian candidate. Economic libertarians and democratic socialists will never agree on everything, but I believe we can come together on one core shared value: Liberty. We’re not so different in that regard.

    • Hunt Miller

      Gary Johnson is a joke.In 1980, when he was supposedly a Republican, the Dem Sec. of State just happened to find 500 absentee votes in a trash can. And wonder of wonders, they were all marked for Gore. Even more amazingly, they decided the election in that state. This all happened two weeks after Election Day. And Johnson, the coward, certified a phony vote. “Nuf said.

    • drkkrw

      Totally. IT s a sad state of affairs.

  • jkendi

    My dilemma exactly. I feel as if I’d be stricken dead if I pulled the lever for either one of these misfits.

  • Warn Silly

    The hate that conservatives have heaped on Hillary Clinton is a sad affair. I will vote for her because she has withstood it all and never cowared. Clinton 2016.

    • jkendi

      The hate seems to be mutual.

    • IC XC NIKA

      Never cowered? She has no soul. She will say anything you want to hear to win the prize. Wake up brother, she’s part of the problem – time for a shake up with the Dem and GOP establishments. They don’t give a rat’s rear about the average American.

      • Warn Silly

        What is it that you want government to do for you that you reach the conclusion it doesn’t care about you?

        • Hunt Miller

          How about not taking half my income and giving it to somebody else, for starters?

    • Tomoba

      She has more balls than the ENTIRE RNC

      Has she made mistakes?

      Bigtime!!!!

      Is she light years ahead of the collection of morons, misfits and losers of the GOP?

      Bigtime!!!!

      And if you think the GOP civil war is bad now………..wait until after she’s inaugurated

      • ptm

        So she replaced her Prune Ovaries with PIG BALLS, nice!

        • Tomoba

          Never give up,Asshole

          (chortle)

          • ptm

            GOOD LAUGH BUNG HOLE – SUCK ON HER PIG BALLS!

          • Essex Class

            I know a guy who knows a guy who paid a guy to ID someone from a avatar pic and a screen name. Just sayin’.

          • Hunt Miller

            No, no, no. That’s YOUR name! LMFAO

      • bigpencil

        LOL never gonna happen kid! But you keep wishing and posting for her and Soros.
        Golly, it must suck to be a lib loser like yourself, posting for pennies and supporting a candidate who cannot win. Bless your heart!

      • Hunt Miller

        About her balls, you’re right, for the first time. All her girlfriends (Huma, Cheryl, et al) just love her balls, even if they are hard rubber! And, if (god forbid) there is another civil war, they’ll be going after a**holes like you first!

    • ptm

      LEARN ENGLISH IDIOT!

      Tell us ALL ABOUT HER ACCOMPLISHMENTS – OOPS!

      • Tomoba

        Daughter: “Daddy, when I grow up I want to go to Yale LawSchool, become a lawyer, get married, have a baby, help my husband become aGovernor, then help him become a two-term President, then I want to be a US Senator, then Secretary of State and then the first female Presidential nominee of a major party and then possibly the first female President in US history”

        Daddy: “That’s somewhat disappointing sweetie. I was hoping you would accomplish something in your life”

        Daughter: “Daddy, Mommy is right, you’re a moron.”

        • ptm

          YOU’RE a PUS FILLED PIG of an IDIOT!

          NO ACCOMPLISHMENTS, when asked what was her greatest accomplishment as S of S – response: “Handing off the baton!”

          THERE YOU HAVE IT! IDIOT!

          • Tomoba

            Promise me your head will explode the day she’s inaugurated

            Democrats electing the first woman President will be glorious

            But watching your head go KABOOM will be priceless

            Promise??

          • Hunt Miller

            Great use of script, a**hole. NOT

        • Essex Class

          Tomoba: “Mommy, I filled my panties with fudge because someone said something I disagree with! Make them stopppppp, waaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!”

        • Hunt Miller

          Nobody is as big a moron as you, a**hole.

      • Warn Silly

        Another conservative keyboard warrior. What other perceived insults you have lined up. “Idiot” has been overused by your type. I’m looking for something original to make me feel a tingle.

        • ptm

          So being an IDIOT – YOU refuse to LEARN ENGLISH! DEPORTATION FOR YOU!

          • Warn Silly

            Yeah, i conclude you never finished high school. So sad

          • ptm

            IDIOT with an “i” CAN’T conclude – no brain power!

        • Hunt Miller

          How about imbecile?

          • Warn Silly

            Imbecile is good. I like that one. Rarely used from the GOP high school educated keyboard warrior crowd. Well done.

  • Jim@DrDemocracy

    If he’s not nominated, I’ll write in Sanders. Sanders is the only worthwhile candidate with a chance to win, a stronger chance to win than Hillary in the general election, and the only candidate with a realistic shot at instigating the kind of shift in political mindset that we need to stop letting Republican-Lite “Democrats” be just another face of the same corporate monster. Let’s get the Democratic Party back to its traditional values of the 1930s-1970, when farmers and workers alike recognized that the Democrats were on their side, or work toward a new Progressive Party that honestly stands with working people.

  • Tomoba

    I won’t vote for Hillary

    I’m going to vote for the candidate of the racist, warmongering, anti-science, anti abortion, anti-women, anti-Hispanic, anti-gay, bible-thumpin, climate change denying, gun crazy, don’t believe in evolution, 90% white, KKK loving, batshitcrazy Republican Party of Donald Trump and Ted Cruz

    I have my…………principles

    I’m just kiddin – you Goobers are doin………….GREAT!!!!

    (chortle)

    • HOPE AND CHAINS

      I guess Grand Dragon Will Quigg didn’t get the memo the Republicans love the KKK. He endorsed Hillary!

    • Essex Class

      Did you fudge your panties, again???? Better change ’em, you stink!

    • Hunt Miller

      GET A JOB! SHANANA SHANANANA GET A JOB! SHANNANA SHANANA
      a**HOLE.

  • theduke89

    Vote for a party, if you don’t like the candidates. It’s an illusion to think that you are only voting for one person when you vote for president. You are voting in thousands of people who will staff the seemingly infinite number of bureaucracies that comprise the federal leviathan. A vote for Clinton in this election means that the most of the people in place will remain. If you are happy with the performance of government in the past seven years, vote for them. You will get more Fast and Furious, IRS and VA scandals, open borders, billions of dollars down the rat hole of alternative energy scams, a ridiculously inept foreign policy that damages American prestige, etc. If you want something that improves on that, however marginally, vote Republican.

    Given the past seven years, I will vote Republican if they nominate Pee Wee Herman. I think four or eight more years of the kind of governance we’ve seen in the Obama years will pose and existential threat to the nation.

    • Tomoba

      >”Given the past seven years, I will vote Republican if they nominate Pee Wee Herman.”<

      Agreed!!!

      I wish we could go back to the last GOP administration.

      Which gave us:

      * – 6% GDP
      * Record home foreclosures
      * Record discretionary spending
      * Terrorists flying planes into US buildings
      * TWO wars
      * National debt doubled
      * Thousands of dead American civilians and service people
      * Record business bankruptcies
      * Stock market halved losing trillions
      * 800,000 jobs lost a month
      * Everyone's 401K wiped out

      Things were better before Obama

      • theduke89

        All set off by the bursting of the real estate bubble that was created by Clinton era policies that forced banks and lending institutions to loan money to credit risks, just to make it fair, doncha know. Combined with a contraction of the economy, which was to be expected in the ebb and flow of economic activity after the dotcom boom years, it was a disaster.

        And Obama has presided over the weakest recovery in the post war years, while doubling the national debt. How’s that hopey-changey thing doin for ya?

        • Tomoba

          >”All set off by the bursting of the real estate bubble that was created by Clinton”<

          OK, Goober…………you run with that

          (chortle)

          • theduke89

            A lot of people who know a lot more than you are running with it, cupcake. Because it’s true.

          • Tomoba

            Promise me your head will explode the day she’s inaugurated

            Democrats electing the first woman President will be glorious

            But watching your head go KABOOM will be priceless

            Promise??

          • Hunt Miller

            A**hole, it would be glorious if it was anyone other than “Cackles and Cankles”.

          • Hunt Miller

            A**hole is leaking sh*t again!. LOL

        • SeattleZ

          The last budget Bush signed left the debt at 12 trillion, and since the debt is not 24 trillion, that makes you a liar.

          And republicans controlled all of congress and the whitehouse from 2001 to 2007, and rode that housing bubble for all it was worth.

          • Tomoba

            These republicans live in their own alternate reality

          • Essex Class

            Yeah, but you should really change those panties, you stink!

          • Hunt Miller

            Hey, a**hole, at least we don’t live on a park bench!

      • Essex Class

        Talking points right off the coolaid package, huh?? Better change those panties, you stink!

      • Hunt Miller

        A**hole, doesn’t even know history! Read the 9/11 report. All the planning of the attacks took place under the syphilitic Bubba. The attack was originally supposed to take place March 11, but was postponed because one of the pilots was caught in customs. A**hole, you must be young, because you’re soooooo stupid! LOL

    • MarkRCrawford

      it will pose a threat to the nation and our democracy – but I believe that threat is less than the threat of a megalomaniac as POTUS.

      • Hunt Miller

        How about electing Ma Barker?

  • MarkRCrawford

    I detest Hillary Clinton and everything she stands for – her policies, her narcissistic behavior, her attacking the women who dared raise the truth about her husband, her perpetual lying, her endangering her ambassador due to incompetence as SoS, her detestation of the military, and other reasons too numerous to mention. And yet I, as a Reagan/Goldwater conservative, will have to hold my nose and vote for her over the megalomaniac Trump whose ignorance and inability to control his base instincts will get us all killed.

    • Tomoba

      >’I detest Hillary Clinton”<

      Then don't vote for her

      Easy peazy solution

      • ptm

        We’re sure Mark APPRECIATES you giving him his RIGHTS!

        • Tomoba

          No problem

      • MarkRCrawford

        maybe easy for you and for uninformed or ill informed voters incapable of thinking through the ramifications of their vote and the potential harm the wrong vote can help bring about.

        • Tomoba

          Hang in there, Goober

          She’ll ONLY be President until 2025

          (chortle)

          • Hunt Miller

            Ah, you wrote the “G” word again, a**hole!

  • Palmettopatriot76

    Former United States Attorney General Michael Mukasey tells MSNBC that not only

    is Hillary Clinton’s private email server illegal, it “disqualifies” her from holding any federal office. Such as, say, President of the United States.

    “If you do this or that bad thing, you’ve essentially disqualified yourself as being the leader of the free world,” said Mukasey, referring to the illegal server and the illegal handling of classified materials. Mukasey specifically points to one federal law, Title 18. Section 2071.

    For those of us who do not have United States Code committed to memory, here’s what it says:

    “(a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

    (b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of
    the Armed Forces of the United States.”

    Yes, it explicitly states “shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States.”

    • theduke89

      There are going to have to be some major legalistic contortions for the powers that be to get around that law, but I’m sure, given the current leadership, they will get away with it. But then there is the larger problem of the voters who understand the concept of a nation of laws, not men. I don’t believe she’s going to get around them.

      • Tomoba

        Poor Goober

        (chortle)

        • Essex Class

          Better let mommy soak your stinking panties. Maybe you can wear some of hers while yours soak in the sink.

        • Hunt Miller

          Poor a**hole (chortle).

    • elephant4life

      thank you for this citation. Kind of doesn’t leave any room for prosecutorial discretion, does it? Lawmakers employ SHALL instead of MAY for precisely that reason.

    • Bartleby Scrivener

      And yet Hillary will be the next President. Imagine that while Mukasey goes back to the mail room where he belongs.

      • Tomoba

        I’d feel sorry for these Goobers if they weren’t completeAssholes

        • Essex Class

          Better let mommy soak those soiled panties, you stink!

        • Hunt Miller

          An a**hole like you doesn’t have the right to feel sorry for anybody. Sleep warm on that park bench tonight.

  • ptm

    The Ultra Right Wing Publication – The Huffington Post goes FURTHER:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/its-time-for-hillary-clin_b_9555422.html

  • Palmettopatriot76

    Our Constitution is being shredded. We know about the secret wiretaps, the secret military tribunals, the secret White House email accounts.

    It’s a stunning record of secrecy and corruption, of cronyism run amok. It is everything our founders were afraid of, everything our Constitution was designed to prevent.”

    – Hillary (2007)

    • Tomoba

      Promise me your head will explode the day she’s inaugurated

      Democrats electing the first woman President will be glorious

      But watching your head go KABOOM will be priceless

      Promise?

      • Karl Browne

        Oh, what a marvelous marvelous day… we’ve elected a woman! Oh, how that changes everything! Can she find a few worthless causes to go after like Barry has? Maybe forgive Iran when they drop a big one on Israel? How about dropping all economic sanctions on Cuba since Barry capitulated to them and was openly dissed by the Castros? LOL

      • Essex Class

        Promise me you’ll change those feted, fecal panties, you really stink!

        • Hunt Miller

          That’s because he’s truly an A**hole!

  • Seaport

    The Clintons are despicable. At least with Trump WYSIWYG.

    • Bartleby Scrivener

      Yes WYSIWYG a narcissistic liar with no experience and a bad orange toupe.

      • Libertarianish

        As opposed to a narcissistic liar with thousands of proven failures and a bad orange pantsuit?

  • Oblamermustgo

    I’m writing in ‘Deez Nuts’ for president

  • Joseph Hall

    Don’t worry, in case you haven’t been paying attention the Republican establishment ain’t letting Trump have the nomination. They’re going to take it from him at the Convention – so you’ll be fortunate enough to vote for another racist, bigot Ted Cruz. I’m assuming you can stomach that.

    Now say it with me — PRESIDENT-ELECT HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON!!!

    • dixierat

      More appropriately, INMATE PRESIDENT-ELECT HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON!!!

      • Joseph Hall

        The only place HRC is indicted and sent to prison is in your fevered dreams….

        • dixierat

          Sure, keep telling yourself she’s above the law.

          • Tomoba

            Sooooooooooooooo, let me get this straight

            The GOP has lost the popular vote in 5 of the last 6 Presidential elections.

            It’s in the toilet with every demographic that told them to go phucque themselves in 2012.

            They took the Senate in 2014 and somehow managed to become MORE impotent

            The party is engaged in a knock down civil war. RINOs vs. Tea B@ggers

            And Donald J Trump………yup………….THAT Donald Trump, the whacked out TV reality star, is going to be the nominee

            And you think emails will save you??????

            LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

            LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

            LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

            (chortle)

          • dixierat

            Not me, the country needs to be saved from her. We’ll see how this all shakes out, but any one with half a brain who understands the law she violated knows she should be indicted.

          • Tomoba

            What law did she violate, moron?

          • dixierat

            Yer so smart, look it up yourself.

          • Tomoba

            Thanks, moron

            I knew you were FOS

          • dixierat

            You being lazy and stupid does not equate to me being anything.

          • Tomoba

            Thanks, moron

            I knew you were FOS

          • John

            Wow, there Tom. You’re sounding more and more like good old WT every day!

            Your posts today are exemplary!

          • bigpencil

            Cuz he’s terrified. He knows grandma has already lost and he’s looking at 8 years of President Trump. Poor thing. No more welfare!

          • Hunt Miller

            There’s a**hole looking in the mirror and getting confused, again.

          • Essex Class

            Government payroll or mom’s basement, which is it?

          • Hunt Miller

            The POS are in yuou, a**hole!

          • Essex Class

            Hey, Jacka$$, when an official keeps and stores government docs in a separate location it is a criminal FOIA violation and a civil violation to impede congress from document requests. Each separate document is a felony.

          • Hunt Miller

            the 2009 law on record keeping, obstruction of justice in ordering the “wiping” of the server, 1945 Espionage Act (advising on of her minions to strip classified emails, and send them as “paper” transmissions to an unsecured server) and perjury (I add that last one because we all know she’ll lie throough her teeth to the FBI when agents question her. How about that for starters, a**hole?

          • RobOnMV

            Yes what law did she break that Jeb Bush/Colin Powell and Condi Rice did not?

          • Karl Browne

            Not to pick nits, Rob, but Jeb Bush has never worked for the Federal Government and probably never had a very high Security Clearance. Colin Powell served back in the email dark ages. What’s your point exactly?

      • Tomoba

        Poor Goober

        Even a brain dead moron like you has to have come to the conclusion that nothing will come of this email stuff

        Hang in there, she’ll only be President until 2025

        (chortle)

        • bigpencil

          Oh kiddo, sad grandma is NEVER going to be president! Bless your heart!

        • Hunt Miller

          Poor brain dead a**hole. Can’t even type without the result being sh*t.! LOL

    • HopyMcChange

      When the Obama appointed IG found highly classified information in Clinton’s emails on Clinton’s server that was highly classified when sent/received and this confirmed by a second intelligence review and referred to the Obama DOJ 9 months ago and the FBI began investigating…

      well they were handing out free clues. But you still came up short.

      • Tomoba

        Goober?

        Emails won’t save you

        Screaming Benghazi like a six-year old girl won’t save you

        Saying you’ll repeal Obamacare won’t save you

        But…………..thanks for playing

        • HopyMcChange

          Ah, the internet gnat is buzzing around in here. Ignored.

          • Tomoba

            Poor Goober

            You morons have built this FBI thing up in your little pea brains

            Only to be suitably outraged when nothing happens.

            You lunkheads might be better served spending some time trying to figure out how the electoral college works

            (chortle)

          • Prospector

            In your opinion, why are there 147 FBI agents tasked with investigating Clinton’s server and her emails?

          • Hunt Miller

            A**holte leaks again!

        • Hunt Miller

          Oh, my God, it’s a**hole again!

    • WVBORN56

      Hillary as president makes you happy Joe? You are clearly a product of our public education system. I see the “dumbing down” of America was apparently successful.

      • Tomoba

        Poor baby

        Well, according to Politico – you’ll be dead soon.

        Sooooooooooooo, there’s that

        (chortle)

        The GOP Is Dying Off. Literally.
        http://www.politico.com/magazi

        • WVBORN56

          Politico? That was your first mistake! First there isn’t a hill of beans difference between republicans and democrats once they reach DC. They both serve the same establishment globalist masters. Try some honest publications like Zero Hedge, Freedom Outpost, Daily Sheeple, Canada Free Press and American Thinker.

        • bigpencil

          LOL sorry to disappoint you kid, but that’s just not the case.
          But it’s ok – we’ll get you a job somewhere. Surely there’s SOMETHING
          you can do? Right…boy?

        • u.r.tripping

          The GOP may be dying, but the traditionalists, rednecks, and libertarians are breeding like rabbits. We’re all around you…

        • MattinChicago

          Uh huh, Liberals have been saying that for 70 years… and yet they keep losing election to Republicans.

          Nice try kid.

        • Essex Class

          Please, Tomoba, change your crap encrusted panties, you really stink! Your mommy’s going to have to soak them in the sink for a while. You can wear your other pair while you spew your pathetic rage into the ether.

        • Hunt Miller

          Tell us where you afre. We’ll take you with us!

    • MattinChicago

      I’m sorry, are you referring to Prisoner No. 8765798?

      Hillary has never won an election that hasn’t been rigged for her, and 2016 will be no different.

    • Hunt Miller

      Now say it with me: “There goes my paycheck, bu not Bill’s Hill’s or Chelsea’s”. Idiot!

    • twopartysystem1

      Bill’s Doormat for President!!

  • Tomoba

    As you watch the Republican Party implode just remember this………….these morons want to run the country

    • Karl Browne

      Beware of what you ask for. If the “party of stupid” manages to cleanse itself of Donald Trump and a few million crazies and social conservative fanatics… and resets itself as a center right party… the Democrats are in big big trouble. The Democrats have moved so far left that they’ve nearly nominated a socialist…

      • John

        And Hillary when asked directly, couldn’t tell us the difference between dems and socialists.

        WE had figured that out a LONG time ago!

    • Essex Class

      Hillary bumper sticker: Dishonesty Cronyism & Corruption Vote Clinton Democrat! Sanders: Slackers Unite – Let The Other Guy Pay – Vote Sanders Socialist! Obama 1) What?? Wasn’t Me! Obama 2) When It Absolutely Positively Must Get Done, LIE!

  • ShadowSD

    Well-written and I agree. I would much rather see Trump win than ever vote for Clinton.

    However, Sanders will still surprise us. After wins in WI and NY, should he pull those off, and a win in CA (which if polls are any indication should actually be easier than him winning New York), the delegate math will be substantially different when coupled with his impending successes in other states.

    • Tomoba

      Goober?

      Bernie Sanders can’t save you

      Emails won’t save you

      Screaming Benghazi like a six-year old girl won’t save you

      Saying you’ll repeal Obamacare won’t save you

      But…………..thanks for playing

      • Essex Class

        Change your panties, you stink!

      • ShadowSD

        No, not a “Goober” Republican, I voted for Obama twice and donated to him.

        When you’ve lost small donors to Obama like myself, my wife, my mom, and
        many others who refuse to vote for Hillary Clinton in November, you are
        marching yourself to defeat proudly and gladly. Have fun with that.

    • Brian

      Although I agree the state by state contests will narrow the gap between Clinton and Sanders, possibly pretty dramatically narrowed, Clinton still has the superdelegates in her pockets.

  • davy

    Bring it on …
    Hillary vs Trump.
    Get ready to Rumble!

    • Tomoba

      Go back to sleep

      • Essex Class

        Change your panties.

  • GetRhonda

    Right now, a vote for anyone other than Donald Trump is an inadvertent vote for Hillary Clinton in November. Vote for Trump.

    • Tomoba

      Go back to sleep

      Set your alarm clock for 2025.

      The GOP will have lost the popular vote in 7 of 8 Presidential elections by that point.

      You don’t want to be awake

      • bigpencil

        Golly you’re in for a disappointment kid! You best wake up and find a job – President Trump doesn’t care for slackers.

        Understand…boy?

      • Essex Class

        Change your underpants, Tomoba, you stink!

    • Brian

      Screw them both! Vote Libertarian!

      • GetRhonda

        That’s a vote for Hillary.

        • Brian

          Uh, no. It’s a vote for a Libertarian. I would never vote for either of these clowns the two parties are trotting out as their front-runners, nor their second-favorite choices.

  • PeaceThruNoParties

    Write in “Gary Johnson!”

    • John

      Nope.

      Write in Mike Rowe.

      • PeaceThruNoParties

        He would have gotten votes for sure, but he declined to run and nominated his dog instead. The Libertarian candidate is already on the ballot in all 50 states and got 11% in the first poll that included him…even though people still don’t know who he is.

        Which of the two has a more realistic shot at stopping Trump & Hillary?

        • John

          Yeah, I know

  • Max

    Easy to say when you are the grandson of a billionaire. You’ll be just fine whoever gets elected.

  • obadiah_edomite

    it’s getting harder to find a lesser evil.

    • GetRhonda

      That cracked me up! Obama was pretty bad, but you’re right…he’s the lesser evil of these two and he ain’t even American.

  • Mike Green

    i plan to write in “Vince Foster”

  • Rosa1984

    Hillary’s made too many grave mistakes, fatal mistakes as Sec’y. of State.
    Even if she isn’t indicted, Americans still know what she did.
    How does she lead—when everyone knows what she did, and Doesn’t respect her?

  • Rick Taylor

    John R,= The Fool on the Hill.

  • Joel0903

    Bernie won’t ridicule her because that’s not his job. His job is to allow her to run farther to the left without looking like a total lunatic, because there is already someone filling that role. Further, in the event that the Justice Department does its job before and she IS forced out of the race over being indicted for charges related to violations of the Espionage Act, among other things, Bernie doesn’t want to totally antagonize the Democrat Party.

    • downtown21

      The DOJ’s job is not to do your bidding and take down politicians you don’t like.

      But that was a nice try at pretending you already know she’s guilty of something. Why bother even investigating and having a trial? You’re ready to jump to the penalty phase!

      • Orleans

        Fine with me if they complete the investigation, have a trial, and then move to the penalty phase.

        • downtown21

          And will it be fine with you if the investigation leads them to the conclusion that no prosecution is warranted?

          Or are you only willing to accept the outcome that you want?

          • Hunt Miller

            I’ll be fine if the entire FBI referral is made public before the election.

      • Hunt Miller

        It’s also not supposed to be Obama’s attack dog!

      • Joel0903

        No, its job is to follow the law and prosecute faithfully and without political prejudice. Based on what has already been made public, prosecution would be warranted. Based on what, you ask? Based on the prosecution of General Petreus for a similar, but much less damaging, less blatant, and less long-lasting set of actions. Based on having HAD a security clearance and an understanding the legal ramifications of violating federal law related to the storage and transmission of classified information using un-secure media. Based on the evidence that she knew the attacks on Sept 11, 2012 were by an organized “Al-Qaida-like” group – her words to her daughter that morning – not mine, but told a Congressional panel under oath that she had no reason at that time to suspect it was anything more than a spontaneous act over a video. Lying to Congress is a crime.

  • Prospector

    To their credit, the Clintons have become fabulously rich by helping the poor and oppressed.

    • Joel0903

      Who are still poor and oppressed while they went from being so broke after he left office that she had to steal the silver to being worth 111 million dollars today.

      • Prospector

        She’s a miracle worker when it comes to money. She once turned $1,000 into $100,000 on commodities futures with no insider information. That alone should automatically make her POTUS.

        • Henry Hansen

          Let her loose in the commodities market with some taxpayer seed money and she could erase the national debt.

        • Jim@DrDemocracy

          If she did that when in the Senate… I wonder how many people know that members of Congress are immunized against prosecution for use of the insider knowledge they gain. They must declare their investments based on their service in Congress…but they still get the 1 day to six month advantage over the rest of us (excluding the other insiders).

        • Hunt Miller

          I hope you’re using sarcasm here!

    • Jim@DrDemocracy

      That’s funny. Nicely said.

    • Hunt Miller

      Despite the “boom” of the late 90s, the poverty rate was higher in 2000, than in 1990. Check census stats.

  • downtown21

    I don’t believe him. I think he will vote for her, but he can’t say it publicly after years of calling her a murderer.

    Republicans and conservatives have painted themselves into a corner. Years ago they assumed the 2016 election would be Jeb Bush vs Hillary Clinton, two practical, sensible, and well-qualified candidates with differing ideologies. But they knew Clinton has a stronger resume and would probably win that matchup, do they started smearing her to help Bush. They’ve called her a liar, a criminal, even a murderer. This was supposed to help Bush get elected.

    But WHOOPS, their party isn’t nominating Bush. It’s going to nominate either Cruz or Trump, and the smart conservatives know both are dangerous. Trump is a vulgar buffoon with no knowledge of public policy whatsoever, while Cruz is a far right ideologue who only wants to be at the head of government so he can destroy that government. Compared to either, the smart conservatives know Clinton is by far the best choice. She has all the qualities to be a good president, their only problem with her is that they disagree with her on some ideological questions. But they know she’s well qualified, and they probably wish they could say, “I don’t like everything she stands for but she’s the best choice and I’m voting for her.”

    But they can’t do that, not after calling her a murderer. They would be tacitly admitting that they lied when they smeared her. So privately they’ll vote for her, but publicly they’re going down with the Cruz ship.

    • Henry Hansen

      I don’t see the downside to destroying the overstuffed government we now have. Dumping a few federal agencies and turning their business over to the states to run would be fine with me.

      • Jim@DrDemocracy

        Oh Henry… The States?!?!?! Talk about a jungle of bungles. Nearly all of them are incredibly mismanaged…and largely due to an even greater mismatch between government and global corporations.

        • Henry Hansen

          Yes, the states. There are some that are failing, but there are many others that have seen the light and are taking steps to reverse course.

          • Jim@DrDemocracy

            I’ll bite. Can you give a few examples of states that, in your opinion, are not failing but have “seen the light and are taking steps to reverse course”?

    • Orleans

      I know of very few republicans who would vote for Hillary Clinton. Most of them say they’ll hold their noses, and vote for Trump.

      • downtown21

        I’m not interested in your personal anecdotes about your friends.

      • Jim@DrDemocracy

        Agreed. She has very large negative ratings outside the Democratic Party. She is NOT the strongest general election candidate for this reason exactly. Precious few Republicans and only a minority of Independents would vote for Hillary.

  • Ben

    Give Trump the presidency, have him violate the country for 4 years, this will cause more people to shift left and hook the persecuted Hispanics to the democrats for generations, just like the blacks. In 2020, Elizabeth Warren can run for president.

    • Jim@DrDemocracy

      Now THERE is a good plan. And it might just happen without even being a plan.

  • realtimexxx

    I do not like to criticize the Democratic Party too much, especially to Republicans or others, but when it comes to human life or overwhelming evidence of too many unsavory decisions backed with data, I am very critical.

    Hillary’s warmongering record
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/02/11/the-warmongering-record-of-hillary-clinton/

    a longer history
    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/12/violent-crimes-shady-dealings-hillary-clinton.html

    Hillary even wrote about her part in the Syrian War in her book
    September 30, 2015
    The Wicked War on Syria: Hillary Clinton in Her Own Words
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/09/30/the-wicked-war-on-syria-hillary-clinton-in-her-own-words/

    the number killed by Syrian War
    United Nations 250,000 killed[3] 15 March 2011 – 17 August 2015
    Syrian Centre for Policy Research 470,000 killed[15] 15 March 2011 – 11 February 2016
    Center for Documentation of Violations 152,893 killed[1] 15 March 2011 – 15 March 2016
    Syrian Observatory for Human Rights 273,520–368,520 killed[2] 15 March 2011 – 15 March 2016
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War#Overall_deaths

    New Hillary Emails Reveal Propaganda, Executions, Coveting Libyan Oil and Gold
    January 4, 2016 by Brad Hoff
    http://levantreport.com/2016/01/04/new-hillary-emails-reveal-propaganda-executions-coveting-libyan-oil-and-gold/

    Hillary’s war in Libya
    Hillary Clinton, ‘Smart
    Power’ and a Dictator’s Fall
    The president was wary. The secretary of state was
    persuasive. But the ouster of Col. Muammar
    el-Qaddafi left Libya a failed state and a terrorist haven.
    By JO BECKER and SCOTT SHANEFEB. 27, 2016
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/us/politics/hillary-clinton-libya.html?_r=0

  • CSB

    Trump 2016.

    • SassyKayJay

      Love the icon.

  • Robbins Mitchell

    Well,frankly I can’t imagine why anyone would oppose voting for Rodham…..who could possibly object to electing yet another crooked lawyer who can’t tell the truth?…especially one who got where she is by spreading her legs for a low bred serial rapist?

    • Peter Mrozik

      It’s really nice to know that the US does not lead the world in the repulsiveness of right-wing commentators, as the gentleman above so clearly illustrates.

      • Hunt Miller

        His entry was extremely crude. Unfortunatlely, it was also entirely true.

  • trvlingengmgr

    If it comes down to the Criminal Hag vs the Entertainer then I think I’ll abstain once again on voting for President and just vote for offices down the ticket. Either of these two clowns will be a disaster for this country!

    • Jim@DrDemocracy

      That’s a pretty good idea. The offices down the ticket have a lot of impact on our lives and those candidates are more easily subject to replacement by recall or re-election. If I didn’t have a Presidential favorite to believe in, I might very well do the same.

      • trvlingengmgr

        I’m also cheating as I live in Texas and can knowing skip voting for President, Texas won’t go democratic this year or for a long time to come.

  • Thomas Davie

    You guys are going to look pretty damn stupid when Bernie endorses Hillary and starts campaigning for her.

    • Henry Hansen

      When was that in doubt?

      • Jim@DrDemocracy

        Bernie has said from the start that he will support any Democrat that wins the nomination. That is not the same thing as an endorsement. That’s just picking the least rotten fruit from the diseased tree.

        • Henry Hansen

          I’m curious as to when support became the opposite of endorse.

          • Jim@DrDemocracy

            Don’t be dim. A kiss is not a marriage.
            Does that make these different levels of commitment “opposites”?

    • GallopingGoat

      I don’t know – he may endorse Jill Stein and get on her ticket. THAT would be interesting!

    • Jim@DrDemocracy

      If you are one of those numbskulls who thinks Bernie is “being run” by the Party to help Hillary somehow look better, stronger… be sure you have enough protein and fat in your diet. Brains require both.

      On the other hand, lots and lots of people will end up looking pretty damn stupid if either Trump or Clinton win the US Presidency. You read it here first. Just wait a couple of years. If you thought Obama was bad… wooooo, baby… you got some schoolin’ to go through.

  • ProgressiveDog

    The only difference between the Republican party and the Democratic party is that one of them wears a condom.

    • Henry Hansen

      Both parties wear condoms. One party wears a condom they forced other people to pay for.

      • Tom Aaron

        Blacks an Hipanics vote Democrat. Check out the children…dozens.

  • 55saveslives

    Sorry, but it’s extremely douchey when one side calls the other sheep. Liberals and conservatives both have blind followers. That’s why I registered as an Independent. I too refuse to vote for Hillary or Trump. Get off your high horse bro.

    • Thomas Davie

      Ok then stay home or vote for Gary Johnson. Your intentions are duly noted. Only 299,999,999 people left to get Hillary elected left.

      • Jim@DrDemocracy

        299,999,998. I won’t vote for her, nor for Gary Johnson. I look forward to a robust campaign between Trump-His VP and Sanders-Warren.

  • realtimexxx

    The Donald could save the US a lot of money. Take the wall he plans to build, for example, it would be a great tourist attraction and the world would forget about the Great Wall of China. The Great Wall of Trump could make our country solvent again by charging admission, just to look at it. Most likely it would be his greatest accomplishment. Only the Donald could make racism a big business.

    After that he could bankrupt the country and make a profit from it, the same way he used bankruptcies to make a profit for his own companies. I counted 5, the last being a golf course in Puerto Rico.

    • Henry Hansen

      One of the many reasons Puerto Rico is bankrupt itself.

      • realtimexxx

        The US screwed up Puerto Rico so badly that Cuba is better off. PR is $70 billion in debt.

        “We are saying with one clear voice, ‘no’ to the austerity plans being proposed by Anne Krueger. And we are saying ‘no’ to the austerity plans being pushed by the hedge fund owners and the managers and the banksters that created similar situations in Greece, in Spain and even in this country.”

        The White House has announced the federal government would not contribute any money to help Puerto Rico. Janet Yellen, head of the Federal Reserve Bank, chimed in that it would also do nothing. Yellen sees “no risk” that a default by Puerto Rico will spread to the US mainland, so it is of no concern.

        This is the same Federal Reserve that pumped billions into the financial institutions such as Citicorp, and then lent them trillions more, in the wake of the 2008 financial collapse. So the US has its own “troika” — the federal government, the Federal Reserve Bank and the financial institutions — telling Puerto Rico to “drop dead”.

        The squeeze on Puerto Rico by US finance capital comes in the context of a depression in the archipelago that dates back to 2005. The poverty level is nearly double that of the poorest US state.

        https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/59595

        • Jim@DrDemocracy

          You are right. We, the US of A, has been squeezing PR…since 1898.

    • Jim@DrDemocracy

      Here is one sick example of how the US-powers-that-be maintain the Puerto Rican citizenry in a state of little power and few resources. Get this: Every ship heading to a Puerto Rican port with goods on it, MUST stop in Jacksonville…be offloaded and then reloaded onto a ship owned by specific US companies before it can go on to Puerto Rico. The charges for this “service” and additional bogus fees are “charged to” the Puerto Rican budget. One of many ways, our rich are keeping Puerto Ricans down…just as they keep us all down.

      • Hunt Miller

        Obama IS bad. It’s just that they may be worse, alothoug that is hard to imagine.

    • Hunt Miller

      Having a border wall isn’t racist. If that’s case, China, Singapore, most of the Caribbean countries that were Spanish colonies, and many other countries are racist. It’s not racist to defend our right ot be sovereign. Ask the Mexicans, who vigorously guard THEIR southern boder.

  • Dr. Skeptican

    If there is a Hispanic conservative out there who is qualified and has the means to run as an independent candidate this is the year for him or her to win the White House.

    • Jesse

      There were two conservative Hispanics running for President… one still is… what are you talking about?

      • Dr. Skeptican

        I’m talking about one to run independent of a political party. It’s all there in my post.

    • Al in SoCal

      Not really – it will do nothing except split the Democratic vote (which is what I’m guessing is your goal) and let a fanatic like Trump win.

      • Hunt Miller

        And electing Ma Barker is any better?

      • Dr. Skeptican

        No, the goal is to keep a single candidate from winning 270 electoral votes so the House of Representatives picks a president – and they will pick a Republican, not Donald Trump.

    • GOPClown

      An independent can only play spoiler.
      BE SMART. VOTE TO NOMINATE KASICH.

      • Dr. Skeptican

        There aren’t enough delegates left for give Kasich a enough to win the nomination. He’s staying in as a spoiler to keep Trump from winning.

  • GallopingGoat

    I hope that if Bernie fails in his bid, many who would have voted for him (and can’t vote for either Clinton or Trump) vote for Jill Stein, the Green Party nominee.

    • Jim@DrDemocracy

      If he is not nominated by the Dems, I will write him in…even though he, being often overly civilized, will encourage us to vote for Hillary. I cannot do that in good conscience.

  • Brian

    Is it too late to talk Joe Manchin into running??

    • Henry Hansen

      Sensible Blue Dogs have no place in today’s Democratic Party.

      • Brian

        I know but I’d vote for him in a friggin heartbeat

        • Henry Hansen

          I would too. I would have also voted for Zell Miller when he was still around.

      • Tomoba

        Go back to sleep, Goober

        Set your alarm clock for 2025.

        The GOP will have lost the popular vote in 7 of 8 Presidential elections by that point.

        You don’t want to be awake

        • Henry Hansen

          Tomboy, stop with the repetition of all of your comments. You’re tiresome and purposely so

          • Tomoba

            Promise me your head will explode the day she’s inaugurated

            Democrats electing the first woman President will be glorious

            But watching your head go KABOOM will be priceless

            Promise??

          • Henry Hansen

            You call that a woman? It’s a snake.

          • Tomoba

            Promise me your head will explode the day she’s inaugurated

            Democrats electing the first woman President will be glorious

            But watching your head go KABOOM will be priceless

            Promise??

        • Brian

          Broken record that will be in hiding come November

          • Tomoba

            Trump’s campaign manager was just charged with assaulting a reporter

            But wait……….the guy defending him is a former prosecutor who had to resign for biting a stripper.

            LOLOLOLOLOL

            Oh garsh

            And just last week the conversation was about copulating with rats

            Of course, this probably explains why he’s now over 50% with Republicans

            I love these people

            I truly love these people

            (chortle)

          • Tomoba

            Go back to sleep, Goober

            Set your alarm clock for 2025.

            The GOP will have lost the popular vote in 7 of 8 Presidential elections by that point.

            You don’t want to be awake

          • Hunt Miller

            There you go again, a**hole.

      • Al in SoCal

        As if there have been any sensible Republicans – in recent history.

        • Brian

          Moreso than the the one we currently have as president. My six year old fesses up when she is in the wrong more than that pathetic piece of crap Obama

          • Al in SoCal

            Yes – I much prefer our country almost in BK and losing 2 wars simultaneously – one for no reason WHATSOEVER – all while getting 5K of our soldiers killed.

            I’m sorry – we are talking about GW right?

          • Brian

            I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that piece of crap can’t admit when he’s wrong. It takes a real man to do that and anybody with two brain cells rubbing together knows Obama isn’t a real man

          • Al in SoCal

            Since all Republican men seem to be worried about hand size – I’d guess his are MUCH larger than yours, but we know that most conservative men are scared of: women knowing too much, and black men with power.

          • JimBob7

            LIAR

          • Brian

            Good thing all we have now is a lame duck

          • Tomoba

            >”Obama isn’t a real man”<

            Can't believe you schmucks lost to him twice

            What does that make you, besides a loser?

            (chortle)

          • JimBob7

            Liar

        • Hunt Miller

          Anyone who blindly supports Gov. Moonbeam and his “train to nowhere” has lost the right to use the word sensible. No dams buit in this state for 30 years, but we can spend billions on a project that will NEVER be completed. Typical Dems.

          • Al in SoCal

            Actually CA voters voted for the train – *NOT* Gov Brown. A simple google search would tell you that. Let me guess: over 80 and barely able to type? Typical – all we really need to do is wait another 4 years for some … needed attrition.

          • JimBob7

            Que moron.

          • Henry Hansen

            If that choo-choo had to rely on another vote to keep moving it would be dead in the water.
            There are already cost overrides of billions of dollars beyond what was voted for.

          • Hunt Miller

            Wrong again, Dipsh*t!. The bullet train was passed on three different lies, which is why it’s still being litigated. It’s already 16 billion over budget, and it now won’t hit So Cal until at least 2030. It isn’t called the “Browndoggle” for nothing. And who has a major interest in the company that is already creating cost overruns? Diane Feinstein’s husband! By the way, a**hole, I am 65, which already makes me a lot smarter than you. How are things living in your mother’s basement? Tell me where you are in So Cal, and I guarantee I’ll outlive you.

          • Al in SoCal

            Absolutely LOVE that you live in CA where your LAME Republican vote counts for … wait for it .. wait for it … NADA. Nothing – you might as well stay home, as if you could venture out from your hospice anyway …

            Though I would actually like there to be a GOP triumvirate (house, senate, prez) just once in order to REVOKE the SS and Medicare you morons use and use and use, but vote for a party who wants nothing more than to get rid of both programs. Intelligence … a trait lacked by many in the GOP.

            Perhaps when you’re homeless with a sign attached after your SS checks stop and you’ve no healthcare (because we know you hate the ‘obamacare’) and the GOP has fulfilled its goal – I’ll gleefully drive by and wave.

            I think our chat has been lots of fun .. don’t you?

          • Henry Hansen

            It will be completed. Whether it will be used enough to be self-sustaining is doubtful. Just another fairy tale from the looney tunes left.

    • Hunt Miller

      Better hurry, before he switches to the GOP.

      • Brian

        I don’t care which party he is affiliated with. He has common sense which is sorely lacking across the entire spectrum of politics

  • jhs

    I’ll be writing in Kasich in any case. It is a shame this is the best the country can come up with.

  • GOPClown

    If Trump or Cruz is the Republican nominee I will write in Kasich and the vote straight GOP downstream.
    That is better than voting Hillary or staying home. I however know many will vote for Hillary over Trump (especially Dixies and Women). What a pity.
    Has our country really come to this?

    • Tomoba

      Poor Goober

      • JimBob7

        Liar.

    • Al in SoCal

      Yes it has – perhaps you should move.

      • Hunt Miller

        Perhaps YOU should move. We have more than enough jackass liberals to continues California’s “Selma and Louise” drive off the fiscal cliff without you!

        • Al in SoCal

          You want to see what REAL conservative states look like – PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE look into Kansas and Oklahoma state finances. All 3 branches of their state gov’ts are run by conservatives – and LOOK at their failures.

          CA is doing quite fine – by the way. Thanks for asking. We’re also enjoying 75 degree weather. Enjoy whatever wasteland you live in.

      • JimBob7

        Yeah, go to Belgium in Molenbeek. You’ll fit in.

    • Jim@DrDemocracy

      Yep. It’s a pity. Gotta agree with you on that one.

  • Tomoba

    Goobers?

    Bernie Sanders won’t save you

    Emails won’t save you

    Screaming Benghazi like a six-year old girl won’t save you

    Saying you’ll repeal Obamacare won’t save you

    You’re only hope is Bristol Palin, who is eligible to run in 2028

    She could be your redemption

    If………….she can keep her legs closed for 5 minutes

    Good luck

    • Henry Hansen

      Don’t you worry about Billary, Tomboy.
      Princess Chelsea will be running for some office soon.

    • Hunt Miller

      There goes a**hole, again, leaking even more excrement. Try some immodium.

  • Al in SoCal

    When you have not much to lose like this guy then it’s quite easy not to vote for Hillary. When you have women in your family who you don’t want to end up pregnant & stupid via right-wing policies, when you have parents in retirement and don’t want their lives disrupted by cuts to Social Security or Medicare – then you HAVE to care. When you are a wealthy and what appears SNOBBY magazine editor – then you don’t have to.

    • Cipher

      Yeah, Hillary cares about women. All those women Bill abused were run thru the grinder, no presumption of truth made likes she claims she beleives now…

      • Al in SoCal

        Yawn … cry me a river. You mean the ones that took the money? When it’s REAL they don’t take the money – they go to the police.

        • Cipher

          Juanita Broderick never took the money…
          And BTW, it was State Troopers facilitating his abuse, those cops are who you suggest they turn to?

          • Tomoba

            You idiots haven’t won the women’s vote in almost 30 years

            I do appreciate your delusions, though

          • Cipher

            Nice deflection. Anything else?

          • Al in SoCal

            No, it doesn’t look like she did – she did however sign an affidavit saying it was untrue during the Paula Jones drama. Honestly – it’s a he said she said kind of thing. Not great I’ll give you that – but doesn’t prove anything.

            I’m interested if you investigate your own candidates so thoroughly? I’m guessing not.

          • Henry Hansen

            Investigating a candidate is one thing. Blindly following and believing what a candidate says is something else.

          • Al in SoCal

            Blindly following? Look at the Trump supporters?!?!!

          • JimBob7

            Callate, idiota

          • Tomoba

            Bold words coming from some schmuck who uses 100 different names and avatars

            You’re firing on all cylinders, Goober

          • Henry Hansen

            You aren’t firing on even one, knick-knack.

          • Tomoba

            Bold words coming from some schmuck who uses 100 different names and avatars

            You’re firing on all cylinders, Goober

          • JimBob7

            Get off your knees, liar

          • Henry Hansen

            SOS from you, knucklehead.

          • Hunt Miller

            A**hole just can’t stop expectorating his verbal diarrhea.

          • JimBob7

            liar!

          • Hunt Miller

            There’s a**hole spewing again.

          • JimBob7

            liar

          • Henry Hansen

            Nothing else for Tomboy. He posts the same exact thing wherever he goes. It’s a broken record or a tape on a continuous loop. Boring.

          • Al in SoCal

            Not like crying Benghazi or “she’s going to jail” – we know how on it you guys are.

          • Henry Hansen

            Benghazi would have been over with one way or another long ago if the most transparent administration in history had been more forthcoming with subpoenaed docunents.

          • JimBob7

            Liar.

          • Tomoba

            You idiots don’t deserve fresh material

            You’ve been saying the same thing about Hillary for 25 years, Schmuck

            (chortle)

          • Henry Hansen

            Hillary?

            BWAHAHAHAHA

          • Tomoba

            Bold words coming from some schmuck who uses 100 different names and avatars

            You’re firing on all cylinders, Goober

          • Henry Hansen

            You’re putting me and everybody else to sleep, Tomboy.

          • JimBob7

            LIAR!!

        • JimBob7

          liar

    • GMed

      Let me get this straight…if Trump wins the presidency, then your teenage daughter is going to end up pregnant and stupid? Sounds like a classic case of liberal government nanny state dependency.

      • Tomoba

        >”if Trump wins the presidency”<

        That'll happen when you can whistle Battle Hymn of the Republic out of your tuchus

        • Al in SoCal

          Thankfully … also for their IDIOTIC wall they have to claim MILLIONS of acres on Em Domain … I thought they were against that? LOL

        • JimBob7

          Another liar

      • Al in SoCal

        Read the GOP platform – you’ll get exactly what YOUR party wants to do. I’d look up televangelist Santorum for what his policies are (no prenatal exams!!) – they are PSYCHO

        • JimBob7

          Liar

        • Go_USA2012

          Liar!

        • GMed

          I really do not have the desire to look up what Santorum’s proposals are but I can tell you that the GOP platform is NOT to get your daughter pregnant and certainly not to get her stupid. If you are worried about that I suggest you start good training at home.

        • GMed

          You want to go into the psycho realm look up the Democrat party’s support for partial birth abortions.

      • 54fakeout

        Only in the mindless minion world. They would much rather abort their baby then use free birth control.

  • Cipher

    I cannot vote for Hillary Clinton. The “Sniper” lie is the best example of her pathology, Its not like she confused one place for another, she has *never* come under small arms fire. Anywhere. Anytime. Mis-spoke? One never forgets being shot at, she fully expected a compliant press to just go along with her lie. She either thinks we’re too stupid to know she’s a liar on a grand scale or worse, she really thinks these things happened. Either way, unfit for the office…

    • Tomoba

      Sooooooooooooooo, let me get this straight

      The GOP has lost the popular vote in 5 of the last 6 Presidential elections.

      It’s in the toilet with every demographic that told them to go phucque themselves in 2012.

      They took the Senate in 2014 and somehow managed to become MORE impotent

      The party is engaged in a knock down civil war. RINOs vs. Tea B@ggers

      And Donald J Trump………yup………….THAT Donald Trump, the whacked out TV reality star, is going to be the nominee

      And you think emails will save you??????

      LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

      LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

      LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

      (chortle)

      • Cipher

        I’m sorry, this doesn’t parse. Could you try English please? Thanks…

        • Tomoba

          Me or yoy?

      • JimBob7

        LOL LIAR!

    • sderamus

      So Trump is not a liar? He’s like Washington and the Cherry tree, right?

      Please. Read up on Trump’s lies. Trump would be the absolute worst president ever. Worse than W even. and he pretty much sucked big time.

      His policies would destroy the world economy, probably then destroy our relatively peaceful world. Then he promises to destroy the very freedoms we have as Americans, saying he’s going to reform our libel laws so he could sue journalists who are critical of him. Boy – that sounds like a real supporter and defender of the constitution to me!

      But he never lies. At least according to him, so he must be telling the truth.

  • MahmudH

    Bernie is in a similar situation to Obama this time 8 years ago. He’s still got every opportunity to win this one.

    • Tomoba

      By this time in 2008 Obama was ahead in delegates and never looked back

      Try to be less stupid, Moron

      chortle

      • Jim@DrDemocracy

        Untrue. Tomoba. Not until mid-May. That would be about seven weeks from now.

        Try to be even less stupid, Moron. (repeated here only for the entertainment value of responding to someone who writes something moronic and then calls the other person a moron.)

        • Tomoba

          Nope…………….I do love Goober history though

          • JimBob7

            LIAR

          • Go_USA2012

            Don’t forget the chortle.

      • JimBob7

        Lying Liar

    • GOPClown

      Stop Lying.
      At this time in 2008 Obama was leading Hillary by 150 pledged delegates. Sanders is behind Hillary by now by 300 pledged delegates. So stop trying to detract Republicans from your nominee.
      Hillary will be the DemocRAT nominee. Fellow Republicans don’t be fooled

      • Jim@DrDemocracy

        Untrue GOPClown. Pledged delegates…he was not even 150 ahead when all was said and done. Enough Super Delegates switched from Hillary to Obama to cement the deal. She was in the race until June 3. Sanders is now behind–taking all the Wisconsin delegates into account (by some weird mechanism most of the earned delegates are not announced until two weeks after the event) by fewer than 250. Almost half of the delegates remain to be selected.

        • GOPClown

          I don’t care who you are using for your delegate count. Sanders is a distraction now.
          Hillary will be the DemocRAT nominee. We should not lose sight of that.

          • Jim@DrDemocracy

            Why are you so focused on this point? Hillary is not exactly an unknown commodity. It’s not like fire alarms need to be set off so people will start preparing for Hillary. I don’t think you have to worry about her sneaking in without being noticed.

            Incidentally, if it’s Trump v Clinton, as it seems to be shaping up, those two will bring the highest negative ratings in the history of polling using general “Do you have a negative opinion/positive opinion of So-And-So” type questions.

      • Jim@DrDemocracy

        Obama did do well in the Deep South in 2008, as did Hillary this time, so there is definitely a similarity in that.

  • Jim@DrDemocracy

    Who said it was the opposite? Don’t be dim. A kiss is not a marriage. Does that make these different levels of commitment “opposites”?

  • Tomoba

    I won’t vote for Hillary

    I’m going to vote for the candidate of the racist, warmongering, anti-science, anti abortion, anti-women, anti-Hispanic, anti-gay, bible-thumpin, climate change denying, gun crazy, don’t believe in evolution, 90% white, KKK loving, batshitcrazy Republican Party of Donald Trump and Ted Cruz

    I have my…………principles

    I’m just kiddin – you Goobers are doin………….GREAT!!!!

    (chortle)

    • GMed

      Racist? Joe Biden “a black man who is actually well spoken”
      Warmongering? Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq war
      Anti-science? see climate change data doctoring manipulation practices
      Anti-abortion? aka against murder for convenience
      Anti-Hispanic? I think you mean in favor of stopping ILLEGAL immigration
      Bible thumpin? I don’t think we need to take this slang comment seriously
      Climate Change Denying? Let’s change that to “man made” climate change denying
      Gun Crazy? You betcha. Its my constitutional right.
      Don’t believe in Evolution? It takes more faith to believe this beautiful world happened by “accident”
      90% white? show me the stats…not true
      KKK Loving? nope
      Batshit crazy? Try Howard Dean rant or Hillary Clinton barking

      • Tomoba

        I love when the 90% white party talks racism

        Say more stuff, Goober

        (chortle)

      • Henry Hansen

        Who was more stupid? Hillary’s campaign manager that said barking like a dog was a good move? Or Hillary for barking like a dog?
        I call it a tie.

    • JimBob7

      Liar!

    • Henry Hansen

      yawn…SOS from Tomboi.

    • Michael Fitzgerald

      The sociopath is back.

  • John Petty

    Would you care to make an actual charge and provide some actual evidence?

  • twmmd

    Why not to vote for Hillary….she is a crook….a typical political establishment animal who deceives, scams and lies and thinks nothing of it because it it now her true persona. Even if Trump only accomplished 25-50% of what he promises it still would be far FAR GREATER than anything she or her Party says or follows thru with.

    • Tomoba

      You Goobers have now lost the popular vote in 5 of the last 6 Presidential elections.

      And every indication is that you’re going to get their nutz crushed in November.

      If you can somehow convince Hispanic women to start giving birth to angry old white guys you may have a chance in a few years.

      (chortle)

      • JimBob7

        Liar

      • Henry Hansen

        yawn

      • Black_Saint

        Labor is a commodity and like all commodities responds to supply and demand! Anyone stating that the invading millions does not drive wages and our standard of living down and crime and welfare cost up is either a Idiot, liar or both!

      • Early Cuyler

        Actually, my party won the popular vote in the last 5 of 6 Presidential elections. I’m a Democrat voting for Trump. He’s head and tails more honest than Hillary. That matters.

      • Jon

        Written like a typical big government fake outrage loser. Bye Bye. Get him out!

    • sderamus

      Yes, we all know how honest Trump is. I’m sure he’s never told a lie – just like George Washington.

      Keep believing that nonsense. But remember in the end that he’s going to lose. Bye-bye!

    • Reynolds

      twmmd … I frankly can’t stomach Trump’s style, but he is infinitely more desirable than Hillary.

  • Tom Aaron

    I don’t know if Hillary would be a good President or not.

    What I do know is I go ‘click’ whenever I see her on CNN, Fox, etc. I can’t stand to listen to her. Is it her voice? Attitude? Don’t know. She might have rational policies but I Don’t know that because I can’t take more than 10 seconds of her. I liked Bill. I get a kick out of Trump. I’ll probably voter for
    Trump for the entertainment value.

    • Billygoattincan

      Don’t underestimate entertainers as President. We have had two entertainers as presidents during my lifetime. Reagan (actor) was a superb president. Bubba Clinton was an entertainer (de facto) to all who loved him and at least prosperity reigned during his bemanuring of the White House. Trump will bring back prosperity to an American society so enfeebled by the Bush II – Obama 16 years that they can barely remember what prosperity was like.

      • sderamus

        Reagan is the most overrated president in history. He didn’t bring economic prosperity – for the most part he destroyed it and began us on the path to our present economic malaise. Clinton was not an entertainer, but during his presidency, the economy grew at near record pace (despite a raise in taxes!) and the budget was effectively balanced. Bush II came in and we ended up with a quagmire of a war and economic disaster coupled with huge budget deficits. For all his faults, Obama has done far, far better than that. Trump will not bring back prosperity. His policies were tried in 1930 – didn’t work out well then. Won’t work now. Plus he’s certifiably insane. And clearly racist. Hillary is 600x better than he. I’ll be voting for her – or Bernie for that matter.

      • Reynolds

        What the heck is “bemanuring” — is this a contraction or some inside joke at Harper’s?

  • Black_Saint

    We have two political parties and either one is for middle class hard working Americans citizens. The Democrat party openly despise the men and women that work hard, obey the laws, pay the taxes, fight the wars and built this Nation and cannot wait to give away what they worked and built to every illegal alien and lazy worthless bum they can find,

    The repubs pretend they care while supporting the rich, open borders, globalization, big government, and are only slightly less worthless then the socialist American hating Democrat party.

    This Nation needs a American party we have two parties to represent the rich, globalization, illegals, Muslims, welfare bums and the rest of the world.

  • FredFilopek

    Trump will start WWIII Is that what you mean by entertainment. Are you going to fight ? Anyone in your family?

    • Billygoattincan

      Wrong. Trump is the ONLY candidate with a non-interventionist foreign policy. No war; and all NATO countries pay for their defense. So much of what Trump is accused of is just idiotic uninformed hearsay.

      • FredFilopek

        When Trump pulls our forces out of South Korea are you going to join up?Didnt think so.

      • surfdog

        And then an attack worse than 911 ; what then Billygoat ?

    • irwincur

      Care to back that up with any facts – moron…

      • FredFilopek

        Google Trumps foreign policy will leave America behind in Time Magazine and get back to me.

  • Black_Saint

    1) They are an economic necessity – Not true. The idea that a bunch of desperately poor, uneducated, unskilled, non-English speaking foreigners are an economic necessity is ludicrous. In fact, when you compare cost vs. benefit, it is obvious that they are not only NOT a necessity, they are not even an asset. Rather, they are a liability and a huge one at that.

    2) They do work Americans won’t do – Not true. They do work Americans won’t do for $7 an hour (especially if Americans can collect welfare and unemployment instead). Of course, if you got rid of the illegals, the jobs wouldn’t pay $7 an hour. The people who wanted the work done would have to pay a wage that was attractive enough to get Americans to do the work. And it might even be enough to get Americans off the unemployment and welfare dole and back into the taxpaying workforce!

    3) We benefit from all that “cheap” labor – This is nonsense. The only people who benefit from the cheap labor are the unscrupulous people who hire illegal immigrants. Taxpayers are left holding the bag. Ultimately, it is they who must pay to support all the Americans who have been put out of work by illegals and must also provide billions of dollars in services and benefits to the illegals themselves.

    4) They are just trying to make better lives – Aren’t we all? The difference is that most of us understand that we DO NOT have a right to acquire by illegal means those things that we find difficult to acquire by legal means. And we certainly don’t have the right to do it in a foreign country.

    5) It is impossible to round up and deport the illegals – We don’t have to. All we have to do is remove the incentives that brought them here in the first place. No jobs. No housing. No taxpayer financed services or benefits (including education). Once we remove the incentives that brought them here, they will leave on their own.

    6) Immigration control is racist / xenophobic – This is just another play of the race card by people who have no other cards to play. Immigration control is the world-wide status quo. There is nothing racist about it. Furthermore, the USA welcomes LEGAL immigrants of all races and ethnicities from all over the world who have gone through the legal immigration process. This is not just a bad argument, it is an attempt to create racial hatred and division.

    7) We are a nation of immigrants – This is the “BIG LIE”. The vast majority of Americans are native-born. I am not an immigrant. Nor were my parents. Nor were my grandparents. We are a nation that has, historically, allowed and even encouraged LEGAL immigration. And we continue to do so. The issue at hand is illegal immigration, which has nothing to do with legal immigration.

    8) They are people. We must treat them humanely – Yes & yes. But lets not pretend like they are victims who were dragged here kicking and screaming against their will. Nothing could be further from the truth. They came of their own free will and for their own benefit and they broke the law to do it. PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE REWARDED FOR BREAKING LAWS AND COMMITTING CRIMES. SENDING THEM HOME IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. There is nothing “draconian” or “mean-spirited” about it.

    9) It is wrong to break up families- Yes. Unfortunately, families are often broken up by criminal activity. If you don’t believe it, just drop by any prison or jail on visiting day. We can’t keep families together if some family members choose to participate in criminal activity.

    10) They work & contribute to our society – So do I. And if I break the law and commit crimes, I can expect to pay a penalty of some kind. Anything from a small fine to the death penalty. I do not receive a reward. WHY SHOULD WE TREAT FOREIGN CRIMINALS BETTER THAN OUR OWN CITIZENS?

    • Trytobeobjective

      Get a job and stop spending hours responding to political articles. At the very least, try providing just one citation for any of your claims.

    • Reynolds

      Well said Black_Saint. So let the character assassination begin on you. You, you heartless… selfish…. uncaring…. evil person.

  • Billygoattincan

    There is no none of the above on the ballot; so be rational; don’t waste your vote, and VOTE TRUMP to make America greater than ever. There will be an economic boom larger than anyone dreams. Don’t keep America as the borough of LOSERS!! Vote Trump 2016!!

  • Karma6338

    Boo-freaking-hoo…

  • HopyMcChange

    “Our Constitution is being shredded. We know about the secret wiretaps, the secret military tribunals, the secret White House email accounts,” Clinton said. “It’s a stunning record of secrecy and corruption, of cronyism run amok. It is everything our founders were afraid of, everything our Constitution was designed to prevent.”

    Hillary in 2007…a year and a half before setting up her secret server for government business.

    If at this point you believe anything she says…you are a world class fool.

  • Butter Face

    If it wasn’t for (fill in the name of a person in the party you don’t support here that did something in the last 25 years) we wouldn’t be looking at the possibility of a President T! They (the other party) sowed the seeds of this disaster! They (the other party) don’t care about the middle class and the hard working people of this country! They (the other side) are all bought and paid for! I can’t even stand to listen to (the person representing the enemy party). They’re only in it for (some dubious selfish reason…) and I don’t like the sound of their voice. How could they stoop so low.

    Anyone that doesn’t agree with me is an idiot by definition. I clearly see what is in your heart and why you hate real Americans and want to steal what’s mine. I am now going to call you some names. I fully expect you to call me some names too…just know now, I have really big hands…and your wife/sister/husband/baby is ugly(er) than mine too.

  • Sean Thomas

    My 2000 vote for Nader is my only electoral regret. In my own small part I am complicit in the invasion of Iraq and the destabilization of the entire middle east. I have to live with that.
    I wonder if you will feel remorse with the consequences of a Trump victory in which you were complicit.

    • GMed

      When the consequences of a President Trump victory are a long-overdue economic recovery and a President who respects the Constitution I have a feeling he will not be feeling all that much remorse.

      • sderamus

        Trump a respecter of the Constitution? The man who has vowed to sue journalists for defamation if they attack him? A defender of our freedom? Sheesh.

        There’s a lot not to like about Hillary, but she is 600x better than Trump. That man is insane. Utterly insane. And those who support him delusional. Those people in Florida who voted for Nader over Gore are indeed complicit in the debacle that was Iraq. Thousand of servicemen paid with their lives. Let’s not make that mistake again. I’m one veteran who will vote for Hillary.

        Oh, and Trump’s economic recovery plan is beyond insane. Nothing more than wrecking the entire global economic order. While some may feel that’s a good thing, we tried that once before – in 1930. It didn’t turn out too well then either.

        • GMed

          Nothing in our Constitution says you cannot sue for defamation.
          Defender of our freedom? Indeed!
          Hillary is 600X more corrupt than Trump.
          I don’t know if Hillary is insane but she is corrupt to the core.
          Those who support Trump aren’t 100% sure what his Presidency would look like but they do know that the only direction from the Obama/Hillary rock bottom we are at would be up.

        • Sean Thomas

          Don’t feed the trolls.

    • Butter Face

      Hello Sean,

      Please feel no regret regarding Nader.

      Look at the choices we are given as voters. Look at the complexity of the world and our expectations of our politicians. Only in some alternative universe could we know what utopia or distopia might have existed in a Nader governed America… You made what you thought was a good choice at the time.

      Living in a open primary state, I was left with the choice of voting for the candidate that I thought would be the best for my Country, or voting for the candidate that I believed, if victorious, had the best chance of destroying the party that I believe has gone completely off the rails. What to do?? Time will tell, live and learn. But what to do now…

      I suspect the real difference we will make in this world is based upon how we interact with the next person that we meet. How we care for a child, or nurture a friend in their difficult time.

      I think voting matters, but I think how we treat those around us matters more. You seem like a thoughtful guy, go save the world at your door….. This election stuff seems to just bring out some of the worst in us.

      • Sean Thomas

        Thank you for saying so. This is is absolutely correct, of course, and it’s a good reminder that even in internet comment boards we can find reasonable people saying reasonable things.

        Still my judgement was incorrect. I believed that there was no real difference between Gore and Bush. I was dead wrong. The effects of Bush being president versus Gore are too many to enumerate and I had a small part in that. I just want people now to reflect on what is before them. If HC is the nominee, then will Bernie supporters actually choose a completely Republican controlled congress by abstention? It’s hard to fathom, and I fear they will have to carry that decision for the rest of their lives.

    • ChuSez

      So you’re going to vote for Hillary Clinton who as Senator voted to authorize Dubya’s idiotic war?

      • David Miller

        Not good. But really, there’s no alternative.

        • ChuSez

          Stay home and read a book to a child.

      • Sean Thomas

        I voted for Obama because of that (and many other reasons). And yes I’ll vote for HC for a number of reasons, but the bottom line is that we cannot have Republicans controlling the White House, Congress, and Supreme Court, which is what will happen if she or Bernie isn’t elected. Stew on that.

        • ChuSez

          Well, I would never vote for Trump, not for anything, let alone the Presidency.
          But I’m not above sitting one out.

          • Sean Thomas

            Have you heard of the ‘Trolley problem’? There’s a bunch of variations, but here’s a common one: If a train is barreling down the track and will plow into 100 people or you could pull the lever and the track will switch and kill one guy, what do you do? My view of your stance is that you’ve decided that by voting you will be complicit in someone’s death, and thereby the train will plow into the 100 people but you will quite rightly have no blame for the deaths – you didn’t put the train or the people on the track. I totally get where you’re coming from.

            I on the other hand calculate the ethics differently. I am the one with a choice, and no matter what happens I will be responsible and that I’d better make damn sure that by action or inaction that the consequences of my decisions are humane is so far as I can gauge it.

          • ChuSez

            Good point, I concede.
            Now if I can just find a large enough clothespin…

    • Jason Wyman

      I voted Nader also, but in Missouri Gore wouldn’t have won even if he received every Green, Reform, Libertarian, and Other Party vote. No reason for regret. Maybe you should do the math for your state. It might clear your conscience.

  • Caspar

    So depressing that these are our choices. There has never been a president elected in U.S. history as unpopular as Hillary or Trump.

    • ChuSez

      Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

  • Ravi Malik

    Bernie and Trump are two sides of the same coin. Both are pathologically lying demagogues. What a terrible state the country has descended to? Everyone knows Trump is inciting hate using falsehoods. The same is true of Bernie. His tirade against wall street is based on falsehoods and duping an ignorant public. Does anyone know that government made a huge profit on the money they put into the wall street bailout. The people who lost the most money with some of the regrettable actions of both wall street and the greedy people who lied on their mortgage applications to dupe banks, were the shareholders of banks who saw the value of their stock evaporate or disappear completely. Many of these shareholders were institutional pension plans so that the common man in the street was most impacted. Also not all of Wall street acted dishonorably. For instance JP Morgan did a huge favor to the government by rescuing Bear Stearns by buying it for $1 when it had a huge negative value and its bankruptcy would have caused a collapse in the financial markets as Lehman did later on anyways. And for this act of kindness and grace JP morgan was repaid by the government by a law suit to punish it for Bear Stearns wrongdoing before it was acquired by JP Morgan as a favor to the government. JP Morgan ended up paying billions of dollars in fines for Bear Sterns wrongdoing. Did Bernie ever present a balanced picture? He just tells one side and incited the mob to lynch bankers and throw them in prison. No different than Madame Defarge in the Tale of two cities or a fascist masquerading as a socialist. We are at a dangerous crossroads in our polity.

    A major reason for the shifting of jobs is that the US has the highest corporate tax rate in the developed world and companies are moving to Ireland and the UK because of a lower tax rate and more hospitable business environment. This doesn’t fit Bernie’s narrative demonizing businesses. Bernie’s crushing tax rates will accelerate this capital flight and cause a catastrophic loss of whatever jobs are remaining. Bernie’s supporters counter that the job losses are already happening here. Compare our 4.9% unemployment rate despite the highest corporate tax rates with Greece’s 27% rate and a similar rate in Venezuela. If they still cant see why capitalism is a superior economic system to socialism then they live in some virtual reality universe. I would never vote for Bernie or for Trump. If the choice is between the devil and the deep sea (Trump and Bernie) I would sit out the election. Hillary is a pragmatic progressive and although not perfect is the better choice

    • ChuSez

      Wall Street is a cesspool of graft, corruption and double dealing. That’s why the Clinton’s fit right in.
      That none of the bankers responsible for the financial meltdown of 2008 ended up in jail is a national disgrace.
      But I don’t agree with lynching them, that seems a tad harsh.
      Tar, Feathers and a Rail will serve.

    • Reynolds

      Ravi, excellent narrative on Bear Stearns, Lehman Bros and JP Morgan. But we parted ways on your last sentence. Hillary is completely steeped in her big business ties and she will never bite the hand that has fed her for decades. She is, in my opinion, fundamentally flawed and has no business leading anything, much less being President. She is corrupt as Nucky Johnson was in Atlantic City in the 1930s. And unlike Johnson, she has no charming or endearing side to her.

  • Reynolds

    I appreciate Mr. MacArthur’s point of view about both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. I understand his aversion to Trump and revulsion at Hillary. But I don’t agree with sitting an election out.

  • Trytobeobjective

    Why do political commentators always write these articles as if we care one bit who they’re voting for? Okay John, you won’t vote for Hilary. Nobody cares.

    • ChuSez

      So who held a gun to your head and made you read it?

      • Jason Wyman

        I did.

        • ChuSez

          Stop that.

    • HopyMcChange

      I think it’s because there is a presidential election this year.

    • irwincur

      Because people like you click on them.

  • knowingisgrowing

    Anyone sitting an election out, regardless of who wins is a product of the problem, not the solution.

  • Trytobeobjective

    At least Hilary isn’t a misogynistic, racist, anti-intellectual con man who mocks the disabled and celebrates violence. Sure, she’s a liar, but I’ll take duplicitous knowledge over ignorant anger any day of the week.

    • Mike Leach

      In addition to being a pathological liar (worse even then Trump, which is saying quite a bit) she is also, almost certainly a felon. But since it is virtually guaranteed we are to have our first felon president, Trytobeobjective, you may as well vote for her. I will cheerfully allow you to take all the credit 😉

      • Trytobeobjective

        1. According to pulitzer-prize winning Politifact, Clinton leads all candidates in “true” or “mostly true” statements. Trump is dead last, with nearly half of his statements being false or mostly false. Nice try though.

        2. What felony has Clinton committed?

        • Mike Leach

          There are quite a number of classified e-mails that ended up on Hillary Clinton’s private server that came into the state department from the NSA and the CIA – likely 100 or more. Each was transferred, individually, to Clinton’s server (either via copying or cut and paste) and the classifications removed. Each individual occurrence was a separate felony, committed by at least one person – the individual who did it – and possibly by others – anyone who ordered it done or supervised it. Hillary may or may not have been one of those individuals. But someone was.

          The above is only the most egregious of her potential felonies. There are others that could be listed.

          • Trytobeobjective

            What felony, specifically, do you believe she committed. Please provide the citation.

          • Mike Leach

            Removing classifications from classified documents is a felony – clear and simple.

            With 20+ years in the military and government, I can 100% guarantee you that if I had dealt with classified material in a manner even remotely resembling what Clinton has done, I would have been frog-marched out my unit in handcuffs and ended up spending time in Leavenworth. Anyone who has ever been in the military or in government and dealt with classified information is well aware that this is the case.

          • Trytobeobjective

            It’s actually not clear and simple. 18 USC 793(f) requires gross negligence in the handling of information relating to the national defense, which the Supreme Court has interpreted very narrowly. There’s very little evidence in this case to suggest either gross negligence or that the information related to the national defense.

          • Mike Leach

            I suspect we might differ on the “gross negligence” thing, Try. And that is a part of the case. But that is not the part to which I was refereeing.

            The e-mails were transferred, and the classifications were removed as part of those transfers. Felonies all. Period. Absolutely no wiggle room with that.

          • Trytobeobjective

            Again, what specific felony are you referring to?

          • Mike Leach

            The FBI is looking at any number of areas. The most serious appear to be violations of Title 18 US Code, Sec. 793(f) and Executive Order 13526. There are also questions whether she violated the 2009 Federal Records Act and the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA).

            With the total classified e-mails involved now at over 2,000, the sheer volume of the security violations is both stunning and unprecedented.

          • Biggonmv

            Where’s ‘the felony’? Where’s the indictment for same?
            Oh, I remember – RW Media Bubbleland.

        • Bri

          All one has to do is seek out her emails to see how trustworthy she is. We should give her a pat on the back for the Syrian refugee crisis!

    • HopyMcChange

      Hillary’s incompetence caused the death of the first ambassador to hostile action in over 30 years. She also housed Top Secret and above intelligence on her private server for convenience and to avoid oversight.

      She’s incredibly dangerous actually.

      • Trytobeobjective

        How was she the cause of death? What “Top Secret” intelligence she did keep on her private server?

        • HopyMcChange

          You don’t know about the Top Secret intelligence on her server? It’s been literally all over the news since last summer.

          And there were over 600 requests for additional security to our mission in Libya…all ignored and she claims she never saw any….despite the well known rise in violence. That is incompetence.

          • Trytobeobjective

            Her use of the sever has been all over the news. Your claim that “Top Secret” intelligence was compromised has not.

          • HopyMcChange

            “Emails from Hillary Clinton’s home server contained information classified at levels higher than previously known, including a level meant to protect some of the most sensitive U.S. intelligence, according to a document obtained by NBC News.

            In a letter to lawmakers, the intelligence community’s internal watchdog says some of Clinton’s emails contained information classified Top Secret/Special Access Program, a secrecy designation that includes some of the most closely held U.S. intelligence matters”

            http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/hillary-clinton-emails-contained-info-above-top-secret-ig-n499886

          • Trytobeobjective

            Sure, if you completely ignore the critical distinction that the information was classified AFTER being contained within her personal server, you’re correct.

          • HopyMcChange

            That’s a stupid Clinton spin lie. The IG’s specifically stated the information was lifted from highly classified sources that were highly classified at the time. You are in no way remotely objective.

          • Trytobeobjective

            Nothing but lies.

          • HopyMcChange

            ““To date, I have received two sworn declarations from one [intelligence community] element. These declarations cover several dozen emails containing classified information determined by the IC element to be at the confidential, secret, and top secret/sap levels,” said the IG letter to lawmakers with oversight of the intelligence community and State Department. “According to the declarant, these documents contain information derived from classified IC element sources.”

            I’ll stick with the IG…you stick with the well know liar Clinton, chump

          • Trytobeobjective

            Where in that paragraph does it contend that the information was classified at the time?

          • HopyMcChange

            ““According to the declarant, these documents contain information derived from classified IC element sources.”

            have fun in denial.

          • Trytobeobjective

            Again, that doesn’t substantiate the position that the classification occurred prior to the server. In fact, the very same article you’re drawing from states the following:

            “Clinton, who tops national primary polling as a Democratic presidential candidate, has repeatedly said that none of the information she sent or received while secretary of state was marked classified, and nothing has emerged to contradict that.”

            Your own source doesn’t even support your conclusion.

          • HopyMcChange

            lol. What Clinton said is irrelevant.

            Stay in your happy ignorant place as long as you like…it won’t make any difference to the FBI

          • Trytobeobjective

            “Nothing has emerged to contradict that” wasn’t said by Clinton. That was written by the authors of the article, an article that you just cited to support your argument.

          • HopyMcChange

            The markings are irrelevant. The NDA she signed says so. It’s Clinton spin, and you fell for it. Like I said, stay in your happy ignorant place…the FBI could care less about the spin.

          • Trytobeobjective

            It must be embarrassing to be contradicted by your own citation. Yikes.

          • HopyMcChange

            It didn’t. you have a severe reading comprehension issue. Here’s one last attempt at bursting your ignorance bubble, then I’m off:

            “You know, you’ve said many times that the emails were not marked classified,” said ABC News “This Week” host George Stephanopoulos.

            “But the non-disclosure agreement you signed as secretary of state said that that really is not that relevant,” he continued.“It says classified information is marked or unmarked classified and that all of your training to treat all of that sensitively and should know the difference,” said Stephanopoulos, describing the document.

            Have fun in denial!

          • Trytobeobjective

            …which still doesn’t support the contention that the emails were classified at the time.

          • Biggonmv

            Neither will your RW Bubbleland wishcasting.
            So what’ll you be squawking about when the “indictment” instead ends up being “the inauguration”?

          • End game

            OMG.

    • maodeedee

      welcome the the age of greatly lowered expectations. Those of you who think that way truly get the government you deserve. But the rest of us don’t. that’s why we support ted Cruz. He’s neither a buffoon NOR a crook

      • Trytobeobjective

        “We” meaning 20% of the GOP? Cruz is the man who read Dr. Seuss on the floor of the Senate while single-handedly shutting down the country. You would have to be insane or retarded to vote for Ted Cruz.

      • End game

        He is the definition of a buffoon. There has never never been a greater buffoon in the history of American politics. His own college roommate calls him ” a nightmare of a human being”. In college he roamed the halls in a paisley robe in front of the women’s rooms until they had to ask his roommate to “please keep your creepy roommate away from the women’s rooms”. He lies regularly. Check Polifact. Everyone in the Senate hates him. Everyone. A reporter asked John Boehner what he thought of Ted Cruz. Boehner just raised his middle finger. There is something seriously wrong with him. Because he covers all this up with his slick nasal “debating” style, some people get sucked in. But be clear about one thing: he is the biggest buffoon in American politics.

  • Fifth_Disciple

    “vicious vulgarity of Donald Trump”? I spent 20 years in the construction business. You must be trying to deprecate Trump because I’ve heard vulgarity and he ain’t it.

    • Trytobeobjective

      You don’t have to curse to be vulgar. Donald Trump is, by definition, vulgar.

      • Caspar

        And Hillary personifies corruption.

        • Trytobeobjective

          Welcome to politics.

        • maodeedee

          She’s so corrupt it’s downright vulgar.

      • GMed

        Trytobe,
        I do not appreciate vulgarity, but I would most certainly choose a vulgar President over a lying, cheating, corrupt one.

        • Trytobeobjective

          Well then it looks like you won’t have many choices this election, considering Trump is even more corrupt than Hilary.

          • GMed

            Well I suppose that is a difference of opinion. Trump is not being investigated by the FBI, he is not running a foundation which rakes in millions of dollars in contributions from people he hands out political favors to, he has not been caught telling bald faced lies about his past. Trump may have a big ego and he may have flip flopped on various issues but he is not nearly as corrupt as Hillary.

          • Trytobeobjective

            No? So who was the guy who defrauded 5,000 students out of millions of dollars by creating an illegal university? What’s his name again?

      • Fifth_Disciple

        “vulgar” – lacking sophistication or good taste; unrefined: I would say vulgarity is in the eye of the beholder. Perhaps Trump has offended your “sensibilities”.

  • dannyboy116

    To you Hillary supporters: If he was Secretary of State, can any of you imagine Bernie Sanders setting up an unsecure email server in his bathroom – and running the nation’s national security information through a “bathroom server” for four years, and then claiming that he only did it to avoid having to carry two telephones….?

    I can’t imagine that. He has too much respect for his country to do that, and too much respect for us citizens to lie to us like that.

    • Trytobeobjective

      “Running the nation’s national security information…”

      Could you be more dramatic?

      • dannyboy116

        Yes I could be – but I don’t think its necessary.

        • Trytobeobjective

          Sort of like Bernie Sanders and explanations for how his policies will be implemented.

          • dannyboy116

            Very weak!

          • Trytobeobjective

            Yes, it is weak.

    • Caspar

      He’s honest. Hillary has sold her soul and her influence to Wall Street and every other entity that can afford to buy it.

      • Ryno Lascavio

        Hillary learned how to be a scumbag during her time of taking down a scumbag (Nixon). Since then, her and Bill have left trails of deceit (and bodies) everywhere they have been in power. But just like Ted Kennedy, Democrats dont care. They have an “American Idol” rule that enjoys making their politicians their “nobility”. Crooks are naturally gravitate towards the Democrat Party for no other reason than that they know they will be able to get away with it.
        Trump is the direct result of the other side being fed up with “playing nice”. To many Republicans, its time to fight fire with fire.

        • KT

          How many republicans have to go down in flames for you to understand that they are not the party or morality and virtue?

          • Ryno Lascavio

            You’re comparing Issa with Hillary? Thank you for making my point. Ted Kennedy babe.

          • KT

            While you keep dreaming of the day that Ms. Clinton is led away in chains, the GOP keeps re-electing a true criminal in Issa.

    • Jason Wyman

      I’m not sure Sanders even knows how to email.

      • axion101

        D*** it! You took my joke.

    • axion101

      “and running the nation’s national security information through a “bathroom server””– Fun fact #1: If a document is properly labeled classified it’s IMPOSSIBLE for it to travel outside of a certain network. That means, it would never have reached her server. Her sever never had that level of clearance. Retroactive reclassification don’t count. Fun Fact #2: The only people who still believe in this nonsense are those with the least amount of information.

      • 196ski

        Fun fact. Those documents were on her server. Hillary or her minions copied those documents and put them in emails that ended up on her server. This actually makes her crimes worse.

        Fun fact. No documents are labeled “classified”. Clinton was supposed to know, without markings, what was considered secret and what wasn’t. That’s the law and that’s her job.

        Fun fact. 22 of those emails on her server will never be released because the contents could potentially put lives at risk.

        Sad fact. Hillary broke the law.

    • End game

      No. But on the other hand, if I were SOState and had to deal with bloodthirsty inhuman Republican trolls like you, I would shield my communications from your desperate grasp too.

  • David Miller

    While you’re holding yourself out as a beacon of purity, we’ll lose the Supreme Court.

  • RDCollins

    You, sir, are a fool.

  • Trytobeobjective

    She doesn’t need your vote John. She’s up nearly a dozen points on Trump.

    • GMed

      Its the first quarter of a long game in which Hillary has been propped up by the complicit DNC and even a weak Bernie Sanders who is afraid to attack her.

    • Fantasy Maker

      Check the polls one week after the FBI finishes its investigation and it starts getting leaked

      • Mike Leach

        DOJ will try to keep it under wraps. But I’m betting they don’t succeed 🙂

        Still, no matter. Unless there is a large scale resignation from the FBI – and possibly even DOJ – Hillary is a lock to win, and probably will anyway. Even if it turns out she is a felon, most of her supporters won’t care.

        • Left Coaster

          Her millions and millions and millions of them?
          Well, that’s good.

          • Ryno Lascavio

            Wow. Like I said before, Democrats dont care if their representatives are crooks. In fact, I think they kinda like it.

          • KT

            Thank you, Mr. Vitter, Issa, Grimm, Janklow, etc.

            Neither party has a lock on virtue.

      • Left Coaster

        No indictment.

        No one cares.

        • Fantasy Maker

          Nobody will care if she gets charged for deleting government files, mishandling classified information, downloading top secret files to a flash drive and/or giving that information to anyone?

          All of those things I just mentioned are 4 SEPARATE felonies and I can assure you the majority country cares about being lied right to their faces numerous times.

          • Trytobeobjective

            Please cite the felonies you believe Clinton committed.

          • 196ski

            18 U.S.C. § 793 Gathering, Transmitting Or Losing Defense Information: Felony
            Her staff cut and pasted information from classified DOD documents and sent the information to her private server where she controlled it. She printed portions of it and then attempted to delete it from her server.

            18 U.S.C. § 2071 Concealment, Removal, Or Mutilation Generally: Felony
            She deleted emails from her server. She concealed them for years. She mutilated the evidence by printing the text without preserving the associated meta data.

            18 U.S.C. § 1519 Destruction, Alteration, Or Falsification Of Records In Federal Investigations And Bankruptcy: Felony “Whoever knowingly alters, destroys, mutilates, conceals, covers up, falsifies, or makes a false entry in any record, document, or tangible object with the intent to impede, obstruct, or influence the investigation or proper administration of any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States.”

            And then there are the Blumenthal emails which she deleted even though she was under subpoena to submit them to Congress.

            2 U.S.C. § 192. Refusal of witness to testify or produce papers:
            Clinton not only refused to “produce papers (the Blumenthal emails, among perhaps others) upon” a “matter of inquiry before” the House of Representatives (which in itself is a federal offense punishable by up to a year in jail), she actively destroyed those papers by permanently deleting them from her server.

            44 U.S.C. § 3101. Federal Records Act: “The head of each Federal agency shall make and preserve records containing adequate and proper documentation of the organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, and essential transactions of the agency and designed to furnish the information necessary to protect the legal and financial rights of the Government and of persons directly affected by the agency’s activities.”

          • Trytobeobjective

            First of all, not all of those are felonies. Second, you’ve cited entire sections of the statutory code that encompass multiple crimes. Third, if you would actually take the time to read the statutory elements for each crime you list, you would notice that Clinton’s behavior fails to meet them in every single case. Every single one, which is exactly why she hasn’t been charged.

          • 196ski

            She hasn’t been charged because the investigation isn’t complete. Last Friday the FBI stated in court that there were 147 agents working on the case and that Clinton and her aides would be interviewed. The FBI does not screw around, this is serious or they would not dedicate this number of agents to the case.

            Most of those are felonies. Perhaps she can bargain them down to misdemeanors. Imagine, a President elect on probation, or better yet, doing community service while in office.

            She and Bill have acted above the law for their entire political careers. Maybe this time she really crossed the line.

          • Trytobeobjective

            From the Washington Post:

            “The article cited in this piece said that 147 FBI agents had been detailed to the investigation, citing a lawmaker briefed by FBI Director James B. Comey. Two U.S. law enforcement officials have since told The Washington Post that that figure is too high. The FBI will not provide an exact figure, but the officials say the number of FBI personnel involved is fewer than 50.”

            When your first sentence is wrong, it’s hard to take the rest of your post seriously.

          • End game

            The same source said no one believes that Clinton will be charged. They’re just trying to be thorough. I agree with your analysis. This feels like 76% no and 24% yes to me..

          • Fantasy Maker

            Now go educate yourself on them:

            18 U.S. Code § 1924 – Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material

            18 U.S. Code § 793 – Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information

            18 U.S. Code § 2071 – Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally

            18 U.S. Code § 798 – Disclosure of classified information

          • Ryno Lascavio

            I doubt it. After 8 years with all the lies by Obama, his poll numbers have never dropped below 39%. Face it, Democrats are so obsessed with keeping power that they would vote in a Hitler…as long as he DIDNT have the (R) after his name.
            Democrats have given up on any type of moral code. Thats why Trump is currently leading the Republican ticket. Folks on the right know that the only way they are going to beat a Democrat is to fight fire with fire.

          • Trytobeobjective

            Both political parties are made up of people who would pick any candidate with the correct letter next to his or her name, but let’s not be dramatic. The Democrats would not vote in Hitler, and the Republicans are just as lacking in moral code.

        • Ryno Lascavio

          I agree that most Democrat voters dont care….but thats the problem. Democrats have traditionally let their candidates “get away with it”. But ask yourself, what kind of example are you setting for the party? Hillary and Bill are crooks, always have been. Does that not matter at all? Or are you so determined to get your way in politics that you will continue to vote for liars and criminals? SOrry, but that appears to be a very big character flaw on your part. Bushes approval numbers were in the 20’s during his last years in office. Why is that? Because most Republicans hold their representatives accountable. If Hillary was a Republican she wouldnt be getting more than 5% support right now.

          • Trytobeobjective

            “Because most Republicans hold their representatives accountable. If Hillary was a Republican she wouldnt be getting more than 5% support right now.”

            Um, have you seen the man they’re nominating?

          • Ryno Lascavio

            Yep. See my previous post.

        • 196ski

          Not true.
          Democrats don’t care about Democratic candidates.
          Republicans don’t care about Republican candidates.
          Neither of those decide the election.

          The independents do.

          Trump is a tough sell.
          Hillary is a tougher sell, especially if she faces an indictment or this email scandal stays on the front page.

          I would take Cruz over both of them. Pretty much anyone other than Hillary.

  • maodeedee

    Anyone ever hear of Ted Cruz? Trump’s negatives are steadily rising. If Trump wins the nomination Hillary will become president. If there’s anyone who doesn’t want that, like the author of this piece, they should put their support behind Cruz NOW.

    • Mike Leach

      Most of the folks here have heard of him. I guarantee you, maodeedee, that in the HIGHLY unlikely event that Cruz were to actually win the nomination, plenty of the folks on here – including the guy who wrote the initial article – would be every bit as critical of him as they are now of Trump. The would hardly have to even change the wording of some of the commentary. (Now, with Kasich, they would have to change the wording! But they would attack him just as savagely too. A solid plurality of those #NeverTrump folks are really #NeveranyRepublican 😉

      (BTW, FWIW, I’m actually currently supporting Cruz. Either Ted Cruz or Donald Trump – or Donald Duck for that matter – would get my vote over the felon 🙂

      • maodeedee

        Yes they would attack him but many those attacks would not be based in fact. That’s a different matter when it comes to Trump. Trump has no record to stand on, and has contradicted himself innumerable times and is so inarticulate that his explanations make no sense and he tries to make up for it with bluster and anger ad hominum attacks.

        Cruz can handle criticism like an adult. That’s a major difference, or as Trump would say, a YUGE difference. And as far as Kasich goes, he’d just be this year’s Romney and would hand the election off to Hillary just like McCain and Romney did to Obama.

        • Mike Leach

          I’m not disagreeing with you, m. You raise excellent points.

          But I suspect it would not be enough. When the Dem attack machine was through with Cruz, and all the single women turn out droves to elect The Historic First Woman President, Hillary will end up staggering over the finish line first in November. We will have our first felon president. (Just not with my vote 🙂

          • maodeedee

            I don’t think that it’s all that cut and dried but I think he’d have a much better chance of winning if he were to get the nomination than Trump would, and has more negatives that does Cruz regardless of the spin the the press would put on it.
            It’s refreshing to have an intelligent exchange on one of these comments forums. Thank you.

      • Biggonmv

        ‘The felon’ Scooter Walker, or ‘The felon’ Chris Christie? They both bought the farm already, politically speaking.

      • End game

        Why are you for Cruz? Give us two reasons that sentient humans can understand. If you respond with sarcasm, you will be dead to me.

    • Left Coaster

      Too few voters can stomach Cruz’s religious fanaticism.
      Sorry.

      • Ryno Lascavio

        Example.

        • Windriven

          “Example.”

          Me.

          But then there isn’t much about Cruz that I can stomach.

          Just don’t tie me in to that lying fool LeftCoaster who claims to believe that NAFTA wasn’t Jethro Clinton’s baby.

      • maodeedee

        And Christianity is not the sort of religious fanaticism that you leftists are willing to tolerate is it? But you’re fine with the sort of fanaticism that Isis or Hezbollah or the Muslim Brotherhood or the PLO represents, aren’t you?

        • Biggonmv

          You want to live in a theocracy, then time-travel back to Medieval Europe (or hop over the the middle east, just prepare to bow down to another Supreme Leader). Meantime, most Americans will never vote for the son of a professed Dominionist who would toss the founding fathers’ cornerstone of separation between church and state just to appease the Teavangelical ‘base’ he depends on for power..

          • Ryno Lascavio

            When was the last time ANY pro-Christian bill actually passed through Congress? Religious liberty is a founding principle of our society. Just no longer a part of the Democrat party. I would probably vote Democrat more often if they actually stood up for Christian values once in awhile.

          • Biggonmv

            “Religious liberty”…there’s your key phraseology. Not to be comingled with “State religion” under ANY circumstance.

  • Left Coaster

    Ridiculous.

    Free Trade has always been a Republican platform issue.
    Always.

    Why blame Democrats?
    Makes no sense.
    Who are your Masters?

    • Caspar

      Bill Clinton gave us NAFTA. Hillary called TPP the gold standard.

      • Left Coaster

        No.
        Bush signed NAFTA in December 1992.

        You are misinformed.

        Again, who are your masters?

        • Caspar

          It was signed into law under Clinton in 1993. He had Gore argue for it against Perot.
          http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0104566.html

          • Left Coaster

            No, Bubba.

            That was when it took effect.
            Bush signed it in 1992.
            Fact.
            Sorry.

          • Caspar

            Clinton literally signed the bill into law. How could you not know this? Click the link or just google it.

          • Left Coaster

            Yeah.
            You are wrong.
            It was Bush who signed the agreement in 1992.

            Sorry.

          • Caspar

            You’re either the most uninformed person in the country or just dishonest, I’m going with dishonest.

          • Caspar

            “The bill passed the Senate on November 20, 1993, 61-38. Senate supporters were 34 Republicans and 27 Democrats. Clinton signed it into law on December 8, 1993; the agreement went into effect on January 1, 1994. Clinton, while signing the NAFTA bill, stated that “NAFTA means jobs.”

          • axion101

            Eh. He’s not wrong. H.W. Bush did sign the initial agreement but it had to be ratified by Congress. Clinton added the NAALC and NAAEC in an effort to protect workers before Congress passed it.

          • Windriven

            He’s not right either. Clinton embraced NAFTA with both arms and that was the point made in the essay.

          • Ryno Lascavio

            Please dont ruin my image of my Clinton masters!

          • Trytobeobjective

            ” U.S. President George H. W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney and Mexican President Carlos Salinas, each responsible for spearheading and promoting the agreement, ceremonially signed the agreement in their respective capitals on December 17, 1992.[5] The signed agreement then needed to be ratified by each nation’s legislative or parliamentary branch.”

            Bush signed the treaty. Clinton signed the ratified bill.

          • Caspar

            Oh for God’s sakes, Clinton CAMPAIGNED on NAFTA. He signed it into law. And Hillary called TPP the gold standard.

          • Trytobeobjective

            Regardless, your statement that “Clinton gave us NAFTA” is categorically false. He gave us the ratification of NAFTA once Bush had signed the treaty. Both are responsible.

          • Caspar

            It’s inarguably true. Clinton campaigned for NAFTA, he had his runni and mate argue for NAFTA against Ross Perot, and he signed it into law stating “NAFTA means jobs.”

          • Trytobeobjective

            To not put any responsibility on the man who actually signed the treaty is ludicrous. Clinton AND Bush gave us NAFTA.

          • Caspar

            Whatever. Clinton campaigned for it and he signed it into law. When people think NAFTA they think Clinton.

          • Trytobeobjective

            Well they probably shouldn’t. At the time, it wasn’t a partisan issue, which is reflected in the people who advanced it.

          • Ryno Lascavio

            ANd thats why outsiders like Trump and Sanders have more than 60% of the American vote. Hillary has enough to beat him, but the two outsiders in this race have the majority of the American support. People are fed up with the Clintons, Bushes or whoever else we have voted in who doesnt put us first.

          • Ryno Lascavio

            ….but go ahead and vote for Clinton so you can tell your friends “we won!”. Sad thing is, YOU didnt.

          • james r ruston

            Sanders is hardly an outsider. He has been in politics longer than Hillary.

          • Wookiees_rule

            You are innumerate. 40% of the Republican vote plus 40% of the Democratic vote makes 40% of the total vote. (The numbers are just illustrative.)

        • Windriven

          “Again, who are your masters?”

          No uncertainty as to who your master is: Hillary Milhouse Clinton.

  • cadbury51

    “For one thing, Clintonism, in its dogged adherence to political deception, is in large measure to blame for the rise of Trump.” Seriously? Are you sure you don’t want to blame Obama?

    • maodeedee

      same thing.

    • Trytobeobjective

      Yeah I got a good laugh out of that. Just a completely unsupported contention out of left field.

  • enviro_nazi

    I will vote multiple times for Trump in the hopes that he will put the Clintons in jail and send Obama to Guantanamo.

    • Biggonmv

      And you shall be rewarded for your multiple votes with a Special Edition Green Shirt by The Donald.

      • BigZim

        I would much rather have a couple of them there TRUMP STEAKS!!!! heh! heh!! heh!!!

  • Trytobeobjective

    CLINTON 2016!

    • Caspar

      Cool, I wonder how many countries she’ll invade by 2017.

      • Trytobeobjective

        Haters gonna hate.

        • Caspar

          And regime changers gonna regime change.

          • Trytobeobjective

            Well all Presidents do that. What can you do.

          • Caspar

            lol

          • Ryno Lascavio

            How old are you? You sound like my 12 year old nephew.

          • Trytobeobjective

            Old enough to bang your wife!

          • Cyril Sneer

            Crass again.

          • Cyril Sneer

            What can you do?

            Oh you just vote for the same old thing somehow expecting different results as is the standard for the left.

      • Mike Leach

        Probably none. She will be too busy trying to cope with an economic recession during her first term to invade anyone.

        (Of course, we could go her whole first term without a recession. That would make 11 years without a recession – something that has never, ever happened before in US history – but hey, it could happen! Maybe Hillary’s economic plans will prevent the recession from occurring. ROFLOL! 🙂 🙂 🙂

        • Trytobeobjective

          See you claim to be rolling on the floor laughing out loud, but you’re emoji is just smiling. I smell a liar.

          • Mike Leach

            Hey, I’m bit late on the technology thing, OK? ( I had to have my daughter set me up on Facebook 3 months ago, and I still have less than a half dozen posts on it!).

            So what’t the emoji for laughing anyway?

    • Ronaldus_Maximus

      Jesus. I’ve heard about idiots like you but I thought it was an urban legend. Please walk in front of a train. Or my truck.

      • Trytobeobjective

        No thanks. I’d rather just bang your wife!

        • Cyril Sneer

          Pretty disgusting comment but then what can one expect from a vile sack of sh t lefty.

          You define crassness.

      • james r ruston

        Can you say, “Madam President?”

    • captain psychedelic

      Lol -what a tool

  • Trytobeobjective

    I would pay to watch Trump and Clinton bump uglies.

    • captain psychedelic

      One of them needs to have a vjayjay…

    • BigZim

      Do you really think The Donald could possibly ever pry those Humongous Colossus Super-Over-Sized GARGANTUAN Lesbian THIGH’S apart??? REALLY???

    • T Clark, M.D.

      Sadly you won’t get a chance; unless Trump goes up to the big house too!

  • Ronaldus_Maximus

    The “vulgarity” of Donald Trump is microscopic compared to the outright skeeviness of Cankles Clinton. And, Trump’s “vulgarity” is not vulgar; it’s truth. What religion is it that has committed 2300 terrorist attacks? Hm.. So, let’s make sure the people coming in are our friends, not our enemies. Crazy concept. Tens of thousands of ILLEGAL immigrants flood our borders, committing a crime as soon as they cross over; thus the ILLEGAL part.. Build a wall and make them do it right. Megyn Kelly? Well, we all know what’s up there. She’s a “gotcha” queen. She pissed off Trump and who do you think paid more of a price? We know. She’s taken an unannounced vacay.
    So, what “vulgarities” has Trup espoused that isn’t factual?

    • james r ruston

      Most of it. You need to pop you bubble and return to reality.

    • Trytobeobjective

      “Look at that face! Would anyone vote for that?”

      “John Mccain is not a war hero.”

      “You know, it really doesn’t matter what they write as long as you’ve got a young and beautiful piece of a*s.”

      “You could see there was blood coming out of (Megyn Kelly’s) eyes, blood coming out of her whatever.”

      “I’ve said if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.”

      “Ariana Huffington is unattractive, both inside and out. I fully understand why her former husband left her for a man – he made a good decision.”

      “If I were running ‘The View’, I’d fire Rosie O’Donnell. I mean, I’d look at her right in that fat, ugly face of hers, I’d say ‘Rosie, you’re fired.’”

      “My fingers are long and beautiful, as, it has been well documented, are various other parts of my body.”

      “I guarantee you there’s no problem. I guarantee.” (talking about his penis)

      “A picture is worth a thousand word” (referring to an unflattering photo of Heidi Cruz).

      How can you possibly defend those kind of statements?

    • raffishtenant

      Could we at least take the Great Mexican Threat, the Great Muslim Threat, and the Great Megyn Kelly Threat separately? (The first two appear to be what Trump hopes will scare you the most, though the latter appears to be what really tortures him at night.)

  • BigZim

    The Writer bemoans the fact that the Old Codger Sanders hasn’t gone after the BIG Nasty OLD Lying Lesbian Sea Hag HARDER!!! Maybe Ole’ Bernie doesn’t want to end-up like Vince Foster with a .38-Cal Slug in the back of the head, while chomping down on a Peanut Butter & Jelly Sammich while sitting on a Washington D.C. Park bench on a lazy hazy Warm Sunny Afternoon!!!!

  • raffishtenant

    I don’t plan to vote for Clinton myself, but then, I live in a very blue state where it doesn’t really matter what I do. I can vote for Gary Johnson with a song in my heart, confident that I’ve done my part not to leave the executive branch and Supreme Court in the hands of an insecure maniac (Trump) or dedicated sociopath (Cruz) for four years.

    Should Trump win, I won’t hold John R. MacArthur responsible for what comes next, but neither do I expect to hear any whining about it from him for at least four years. Deal?

  • HopyMcChange

    FBI: Ms Clinton, you were briefed on [matter of national security] on this day. A few days later an aide emailed you information on this matter which was lifted from SCIF sources. How do you explain that? Do you really maintain that you didn’t know that was classified?

    Hillary Clinton: Arf! Arf! Arf! Arf!

    • BigZim

      That BIG Filthy OLD Lying Lesbian Sea Hag can sure BARK now can’t she??? THANK YOU HopyMcChange!!!

    • Trytobeobjective

      Yawn.

      • HopyMcChange

        You do realize it’s going to be just that easy, right?

        • Trytobeobjective

          What’s going to be that easy?

          • HopyMcChange

            Every briefing she attended…they have logs. The most highly classified materials she was emailed, she would have been briefed on.

            Game. Set. Match.

          • Trytobeobjective

            Think whatever you want. I’ll be celebrating a Clinton victory in November.

          • HopyMcChange

            You think all that classified info was emailed by her aides that went rogue huh? she had no idea what they were up to….fascinating.

          • Trytobeobjective

            I don’t care. What I care about is whether the evidence demonstrates that her behavior meets the statutory elements of 18 USC 793, which it doesn’t.

          • HopyMcChange

            Ah, it will be quite easy to prove actually. What you assume is that she had no idea the highly classified information was classified and she had no idea what her aides were doing.

            Just a cursory reflection on that one has to determine that is entirely implausible.

          • Trytobeobjective

            I don’t assume that at all. However, what I do know is that it will be virtually impossible for a prosecutor to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Clinton knew the information was classified and intentionally placed classified information on an unsecured personal server, or that she acted with gross negligence with information relating to the national defense. Sorry bud, but the elements just aren’t there.

          • HopyMcChange

            I showed you: She was briefed on the matter prior. Slam dunk.

          • Trytobeobjective

            That isn’t even close to a slam dunk, which is why she hasn’t (and won’t be) charged.

          • HopyMcChange

            I’ll stick with the fact that the IG says the information was lifted from classified sources, and the overwhelming obvious fact that the Secretary of State for the United States is expected to be knowledgeable of classified material.

          • Trytobeobjective

            Stick to whatever you want. I’m just trying to soften the blow for you when she isn’t charged.

          • HopyMcChange

            That’s nice of you. FBI is investigating what? oh yeah.

          • End game

            You are absolutely throughout this entire comments section.

          • T Clark, M.D.

            Denial is so beautiful, but ….schutipid!

          • T Clark, M.D.

            Shall I pass the salt to ya now? Crow a la Hellary!!

          • End game

            OMG

          • T Clark, M.D.

            Seriously, you’ve never read the Espionage Act, right? Too bad–back to la la land !

          • T Clark, M.D.

            Wanna bet on that? I’ll give you 20 to 1 odds she NEVER becomes president! Easy money for a libtard? Better jump on it! I think, deep down, you know she’s in deep shyatt; just can’t bring yourself to acknowledge it. Better to hope against all hope !

          • Trytobeobjective

            I would LOVE to bet on that.

          • T Clark, M.D.

            Fine, name the amount. My son is an attorney–he’ll draw up and agreement for you to approve and we can put the money in escrow with YOUR banker. Fair enough?
            Need your address and email. Mine is tclark@nctv.com and I live at 100 Satula Lane, Clemson, SC 29531.

          • End game

            South Carolina. Explains everything.

          • T Clark, M.D.

            Thanks for the compliment! SC is a beautiful place, which, as a Yankee, is why I’ve retired here. Made beaucoup money up north but got tired of the stupidity of the democrat party I used to belong to. Leftards like you ruined the party. Thanks for showing me the ‘light’! ;_).

          • End game

            I’m sure South Carolina is beautiful. I was referring to the rampant racism and broad ignorance of the people who live there. The anger over removing the flag is just an example.

          • T Clark, M.D.

            My poke at you went right over your head! You are wrong–there is NOT rampant racism–only a very small part of the south is still like that. The flag stuff was an outlier. There are probably more non-S Carolinians in SC than natives.Sooo, do YOU wanna bet on hiLIARy not becoming president. Trytobeobjective ran for cover.

          • End game

            I would never bet against the Koch brothers’ billion- dollar “Billionaire Citizens United” negative ad machine and the Rupert Murdoch-controlled WSJ/Fox/Barron’s/right wing website media attack empire desperate to gain and cling to power.

            Thank you Dr. Clark for enlightening us all to the revelation that there is very little racism in South Carolina.

          • T Clark, M.D.

            You REALLY think the Koch brothers have that much power and they could carry the election for the pubs!!?? You can’t be serious. hiLIARy has a campaign chest much bigger than the Kochs ! I will assume you’re joking. What really worries you is the email/ Clinton Foundation scandals! Nice try, though. I thought you would be more honest.

            And your thoughts on the emails and the CF? Have any?

          • End game

            My thoughts on the email? 1. Colin Powell did the same thing. 2. I’m still waiting for the news of the indictment that you and everyone on the right says is guaranteed. The days keep ticking by.

          • T Clark, M.D.

            No, neither of her predecessors had PRIVATE ( where ALL emails are controlled by one person-Hillary–not public) SERVERS. Both Powell and Rice had private accounts on commercially-run servers, but that is a lot different than a personal server in the basement, which nobody but the Clintons had access to. Under the letter of the law, having private email was legal, but using it exclusively means that Hillary has to take responsibility for all the mistakes that State Department staff were unable to stop her from making.

            And you won’t have to wait too long. Jim Comey see to that!

          • End game

            Commercially run servers are arguably less secure than private servers from a national security perspective. Your defense of Powell and Rice is hypocritical.

          • T Clark, M.D.

            Hey, you just don’t get it, do you? Her private server had nothing to do with security, even if YOU or anybody thinks it was more secure. What you don’t seem to be able to appreciate is 1) It was SPECIFICALLY not allowed. Private Servers were NOT allowed. Private email set ups at her house were allowed, but NOT with a private server. The reason? 2) A private server is an entity into itself. The owner ( Hillary) can do anything she wants with the contents. Wipe them clean, avoid FOIA requests, etc. She had complete control on the contents—> that was illegal. And she didn’t do it for convenience ( as she said…. “so I could just use one device–she ended up with 3 or 4 !!). It should be pretty apparent that she wanted to keep all of here ‘secrets’ on this server and probably never dreamed she would have to turn it over or that it would ever be discovered.

            Had Powell or Rice had a secret server with over 2000 classified emails on them, I would be just as critical and they should, by all means be prosecuted. Apples and oranges DAS. They sent just a few emails over their email PC at home. Hillary had FOUR years of info secreted away on an illegal server, over which she had complete control, to do what she wanted with it. I certainly trust you can see the inappropriateness of that. Isusp[ect that the FBI/ DOJ will find that the main reason she had that server was to conduct Clinton Foundation influence selling. We will see, but the evidence, while circumstantial, is overwhelmingly incriminating! That’s the real problem for. You don’t need 147 agents to look at the emails, but indeed you need that many to sift through the CF stuff, which likely represent ‘public corruption’!

          • End game

            In February 2016, State Department Inspector General Steve Linick stated that his office had also found classified material in 10 emails in the personal email accounts of members of former Secretary Condoleezza Rice’s staff and in two emails in the personal email account of former Secretary Colin Powell.

            Classified.

            Your assertion that it’s the private server that’s the issue is a distinction without a difference vis a vis the real goal of the new policy banning private email, which is to prevent the dissemination of classified information.

            And your claim that a private server was illegal is your unsupported assertion. What’s your evidence backing up your contention?

            As for my knowledge level compared to yours, I am quite comfortable. Now that you’ve attracted my attention, we’re just getting warmed up.

          • T Clark, M.D.

            Lost your ‘love to bet’ or you lost your CAJONES!!?? EITHER WAY, YOU’RE AN EMBARRASSSMENT.

          • T Clark, M.D.

            Hey, as a physician, maybe I can help you out with a new set of testicles!! What happened to your ‘love to bet’ ! You headed for cover faster than I thought, Mr. Blowhard ! Gawd, no wonder this country is in trouble !

            I hope you’re not old enough to vote !

          • Well…there is that email from Hillary to Jake Sullivan instructing him to “strip the markings and send in the clear!”… and THAT request is a felony violation of the law USC 18.

          • T Clark, M.D.

            Whoah there, your life, and esp. your brain, is seriously in slow motion, sadly!

        • raffishtenant

          Hi, Donald. I’m only a single data point, but you had me ~15% convinced after your big reveal in the first paragraph and not at all after the dog bit in your second. (Just tryna help you focus.)

    • End game

      Oh my God, have you replied to every one of the comments?

  • Bob231

    Hillary Clinton needs to answer this question

    Why, after being told by President Obama that Sidney Blumenthal could not work on your staff at the State Department, did you put Mr. Blumenthal on the Clinton Foundation payroll, send and receive top secret information with him on your private server and not report it, and pass information you got from Mr.Blumenthal back to the State Department as “an anonymous source”?

    • Trytobeobjective

      Yawn.

      • HopyMcChange

        Facts sure make you drowsy, huh?

        • Trytobeobjective

          There aren’t any facts there. Just a question.

          • HopyMcChange

            You make it so easy:

            “Sidney Blumenthal, a longtime confidant of Bill and Hillary Clinton, earned about $10,000 a month as a full-time employee of the Clinton Foundation while he was providing unsolicited intelligence on Libya to then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, according to multiple sources familiar with the arrangement.

            Blumenthal was added to the payroll of the Clintons’ global philanthropy in 2009 — not long after advising Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign

            Clinton, whose efforts to hire Blumenthal as an adviser at the State Department were rebuffed by top aides to President Barack Obama

            Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/clinton-foundation-sidney-blumenthal-salary-libya-118359#ixzz44LdO8aGR

          • Trytobeobjective

            Okay, yes those are facts. And what’s your point? Blumenthal was hired to work for the Clinton Foundation. Oooooohhh what a conspiracy!

          • HopyMcChange

            Go back to sleep now

          • HopyMcChange

            Oh, the point is Hillary can’t follow basic friggin instructions….ever.

          • T Clark, M.D.

            Geez, indeed you are a special kind of stupid! Facts, logic and common sense seem to elude you! Chin up–back to school !

          • T Clark, M.D.

            Hey, try to keep up with the news cycle–you will less dumb if you do!

      • T Clark, M.D.

        Another sleepy leftard!! They’re comedic if nothing else!

      • Cyril Sneer

        Ah uncomfortable pertinent questions – the scourge of the left wing.

  • Trytobeobjective

    Would you let Hilary Clinton suck your wee-wee?

  • twopartysystem1

    Remind John that it is the Law of Supply and Demand that sets wages over the long term – not companies or politicians.

    So ask why are there so many Walmart-level workers (The Supply) coming out of our unionized, politicized, bloated, noncompetitive public schools? John?

  • BigGuy

    MacArthur says he will never vote for Hillary Clinton because he asserts she is dishonest. He supports his assertion with lies of the Right that have been repeated ad infinitum for the past 25 years. The reality is that she is the most honest person running for President. Politifacts evaluated the truth of statements made by all the candidates running and found her to be the most truthful.

    • HopyMcChange

      lol. Politifact has no credibility. They also said ‘if you like your plan you can keep it’ was mostly true….before having to change it to ‘lie of the year’.

      • BigGuy

        Any time a source produces data that enables Hillary Clinton to be perceived positively, the source is called into question. Meanwhile, the conclusions of the Heritage Foundation and the Cato Institute — which are required beforehand to support the Right — remains unquestioned.

        • Caspar

          Why is it that two thirds of the country views her as dishonest and untrustworthy? Are they all just… wrong? Is she just unlucky?

          • End game

            Because of trolls like you. Hitler’s Big Lie was repeated which helped it spread.

          • Cyril Sneer

            Oh look a Hitler reference. Oh how original, A man that has been dead for over 70 years is still used in reference to political arguments of today.

            Fascinating. If all else fails wheel out Hitler. The last refuge of the left.

          • BigGuy

            If people are exposed to lies over and over and never hear or see the truth, they come to believe the lies. That two thirds of the country (by land area) has have not heard or seen the truth.

            Billions of dollars have been spent over the past 40 years to fund advertising and public relations and think tanks and university academic programs and creative writers to fantasize and to research and to promulgate lies about Hillary and Bill Clinton. Some of that money spent worked as intended. Some people think the Clintons are dishonest.

        • HopyMcChange

          Politifact has a long history of Democrat bias…and they destroyed their credibility covering for Obama’s lies.

          Hillary Clinton isn’t just a well known liar…her lies are usually the stupidest bald faced lies anyone has ever heard, such as:

          There is no classified material on the server

          • End game

            Troll. Cannot be persuaded by any argument or evidence. Only on this site to promote a permanent view probably inherited from his father.

      • Longtime teacher

        Actually Politifact is incredibly credible. It has been awarded the Pulitzer Prize for Journalism.

        • HopyMcChange

          When ‘Mostly True’ becomes the ‘Lie of the Year’…you lose credibility.

          See how that works?

          • Longtime teacher

            Well since Sanders has a worse truth rating than Clinton according to Politifact, what does that say about him?

          • End game

            Right. Because honest people never change their minds.

        • Floyd R Turbot

          The Pulitzer Prize for journalism has about the same credibility as the Nobel Peace Prize. In other words, in the realm of prizes, it ain’t no prize.

          • End game

            WTF?

          • Cyril Sneer

            Oh another ignorant, oblivious useful idiot for Clinton.

        • Bri

          Your logic does not follow.

        • Cyril Sneer

          HAHAHHAHAHAHA!

          Credibility eh! Just like the Nobel Peace Prize, with such worthy greats as Yassar Arafat (for continuing to keep the Palestinians in the death clutches of Hamas) and Barrack Obama (for simply being born half black) whilst proceeding to destroy the remains of the middle east by supporting Islamic terrorists to remove a secular government.
          The word you’re looking for is not credible but gullible. You are the neo-lib establishment useful idiots.

    • voxon123

      Oh please! Have you just woken up? She and her husband have a history of deception. She is a cold, hard, foul mouth woman. Read the books which are written by people who know her. She is simply a power hungry, average thinker.

      • BigGuy

        I think Hillary Clinton is a good person who is running for President because she wants to serve our country and because she wants to do good works in this world, not the next. You disagree.

        • Bri

          You are a poor judge of character.

        • Cyril Sneer

          You’re precisely the reason why America is f cked.

          I recommend a short break in Tripoli for you. That should bring you back to reality.

    • T Clark, M.D.

      Hello Mr. Naïve/ Gullible guy of the day!! Wanna buy some swampland in New Joisey? You can’t be serious! You’re about 4 months behind the news cycle. Congrats on that !
      Be proud !

    • Pioneer

      Politifacts .LOL.

    • Goreloon

      HUH?

    • IPhantom

      Politifact is a bad joke.

      • End game

        Explain why Politfact is a bad joke. Oh, right, because it contradicts your insulated worldview and as the most highly respected fact checking site that would destroy your credibility. Of course it’s “a bad joke”.

    • End game

      Correct.

    • Bri

      Yes, just read some of her emails, see how honest and moral she is.

  • voxon123

    Why would anyone vote for a person who has been at the core of the destruction of this nation? Few appear to think beyond the average.

    • End game

      ?????

      • Cyril Sneer

        You’re really quite the cretin.

  • Longtime teacher

    This article is junk. Hillary has been telling more truth in this presidential election than any candidate including Bernie. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/28/hillary-clinton-honest-transparency-jill-abramson That said, many Hillary voters feel the same way about Bernie. Why would we vote for someone who is a dreamer and has no chance of getting anything done? Someone who is proposing policies that are so out there, that many Democrats wouldn’t even vote for them? So I say if Clinton isn’t the nominee, the only candidate with viable, realistic proposals, I don’t know if I can vote at all.

    • Caspar

      In New Hampshire, Democratic voters who said honesty was very important to them voted for Bernie 92% to 6%. Her honesty and trustworthiness polling numbers are unprecedented for a presidential candidate. There’s probably a reason for that.

      • Longtime teacher

        Yes there is 30 years of Republican lies thrown at her. So, just because polls say something that means it is the truth. So far Hillary has 2 million more votes than Bernie. Not sure that poll means anything.

        • HopyMcChange

          Oh, quit crying. She said there was no classified information on the server. The state department said there are over 2000 classified emails on the server, including 22 that are so top secret they can’t be released even redacted.

          Hillary is a well known liar.

          • Longtime teacher

            It is well known there is a problem with the classification system. She made a mistake, but Bernie has made mistakes too. Bernie lies to his supporters everyday when he tells them the Revolution will make his proposals happen. We all know that is impossible.

          • HopyMcChange

            The only problem with the classification system is that Hillary refused to obey the rules and found herself in a mess of her own making.

          • End game

            Oh my God you again.

          • IPhantom

            Hi. I processed security clearances for the army and held a clearance myself and I’ve been to the same briefings that she has. Overclassification is absolutely a problem. I won’t even deign to try and defend some of the things I’ve seen.

            However, that’s a separate issue. I’m going to throw some jargon at you so bear with me. The state department is not a producer of intelligence products (and yes, that’s the phrase that we use “in the industry”), rather they are an end user. They don’t get to decide what is classified and what isn’t. She has no role in the declassification process. As to her assertion that these things weren’t classified when she sent them? Piffle. Intelligence is “OrCon” or “Originator Controlled”. Whoever produces it, be it the CIA, DIA, NSA, NIMA or whoever decides the classification level before they disseminate it. I mean think about it… what’s the point of classifying something that you’ve already set loose into the wild?

            So, yeah, she’s lying through her teeth and you should stop defending her on the basis of something that you know nothing about.

          • End game

            Colin Powell did the same thing as Clinton and asserted the same defense. Are you saying that he’s a liar as well?

          • IPhantom

            No. Colin Powell was actually doing what he was supposed to be doing. You use separate email accounts for classified and unclassified materials. Colin Powell asking the event staff to be aware that the German Ambassador is lactose intolerant on his personal email accout or whatever is not even comparable to using one email account for everything. However, an astonishing amount of classified material did pass through the hands of her personal email account. The same cannot be said about Colin Powell and even if it could, that would not absolve Clinton of anything; it would merely tar Powell with the same brush.

            Interestingly enough, Hillary Clinton is probably lying about only using an unclassified account but, well, that’s what she’s supposed to do. Operational Security and all that; don’t bring it up if you don’t have to.

          • Pioneer

            That is why she is careful to say she didn’t send or receive anything “marked as” classified. Astonishing people fall for that nonsense she spouts.

          • End game

            Troll. You could put a smoking gun in front of Hopy McChange’s nose and he would break his neck turning it to avoid seeing it.

        • Caspar

          It means that most of the country thinks Hillary is dishonest. She’s viewed as the most untrustworthy candidate from either party.

        • HopyMcChange

          Hillary said she used a private server because it was just easier than using two devices…even though she used three.

          Hillary is a well known liar.

        • HopyMcChange

          Remember when Hillary said she remembered clearly landing under sniper fire? yeah…she’s real honest.

          • Floyd R Turbot

            If this lady is for real and is a teacher, our country has bigger problems than Hillary or Bernie.

        • Pioneer

          Excellent parody.

          • Longtime teacher

            Just sad that all these Democrats believe 30 years of Republicans attack. Bernie has not been privileged to have been attacked because he has been sitting on the bench for so long.

            From Jill Abramson, Former NY Times Editor writing in The Guardian –I would be “dead rich”, to adapt an infamous Clinton phrase, if I could bill for all the hours I’ve spent covering just about every “scandal” that has enveloped the Clintons. As an editor I’ve launched investigations into her business dealings, her fundraising, her foundation and her marriage. As a reporter my stories stretch back to Whitewater. I’m not a favorite in Hillaryland. That makes what I want to say next surprising.

            Hillary Clinton is fundamentally honest and trustworthy.

            As for her statements on issues, Politifact, a Pulitzer prize-winning fact-checking organization, gives Clinton the best truth-telling record of any of the 2016 presidential candidates. She beats Sanders and Kasich and crushes Cruz and Trump, who has the biggest “pants on fire” rating and has told whoppers about basic economics that are embarrassing for anyone aiming to be president. (He falsely claimed GDP has dropped the last two quarters and claimed the national unemployment rate was as high as 35%).

            http://www.theguardian.com/com

          • Floyd R Turbot

            Poor Hillary. After all this time, she is still being haunted by that “vast right wing conspiracy”. Of course, she probably thinks that UFOs fly in and out of the Roswell airport too.

          • End game

            You just responded to facts with sarcasm. That didn’t make the facts go away. Since sarcasm is your only weapon, direct it to me. I’m bored and want to have some fun.

          • Pioneer

            The Guardian? Seriously?

            If Clinton gets in, you are finished. 5 more years of relentless mass immigration, MB inspired wars and increasing operating debt will be the end of America.

            Thousands of Americans are already being raped, maimed and murdered by illegal aliens. Drugs are pouring across the border, and MS-13 are all over the place. Wait till Los Gatos move in. Obama’s “refugee” influx will be expanded. The FBI already report terror cells in all 50 States.

            You are at the point of no return.

        • Bri

          I suggest you peruse her emails over at wikileaks.

        • Cyril Sneer

          For Killary you would be what she would call a useful idiot.

          “Longtime Teacher”.. your name explains so so much.

    • kochu

      Hillary and honesty? You are funny.

      • Longtime teacher

        From Jill Abramson, Former NY Times Editor writing in The Guardian –I would be “dead rich”, to adapt an infamous Clinton phrase, if I could bill for all the hours I’ve spent covering just about every “scandal” that has enveloped the Clintons. As an editor I’ve launched investigations into her business dealings, her fundraising, her foundation and her marriage. As a reporter my stories stretch back to Whitewater. I’m not a favorite in Hillaryland. That makes what I want to say next surprising.

        Hillary Clinton is fundamentally honest and trustworthy.

        As for her statements on issues, Politifact, a Pulitzer prize-winning fact-checking organization, gives Clinton the best truth-telling record of any of the 2016 presidential candidates. She beats Sanders and Kasich and crushes Cruz and Trump, who has the biggest “pants on fire” rating and has told whoppers about basic economics that are embarrassing for anyone aiming to be president. (He falsely claimed GDP has dropped the last two quarters and claimed the national unemployment rate was as high as 35%).

        http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/28/hillary-clinton-honest-transparency-jill-abramson

        • HopyMcChange

          Just out of curiosity. The 22 emails the State Department withheld completely….are you implying they were over classified and Hillary should not have recognized them as classified at all? Because this defense implies she is incompetent.

          • Longtime teacher

            I can only laugh (or cry) when thinking of Bernie as president. She made a mistake. To me Bernie supporting rights of gun owners in his rural state is much more offensive. I hate to break it to you. Bernie is far from perfect, He is a politician Here’s an example– Tad Devine, his campaign manager, yesterday said that the only reason Bernie Sanders lost Super Tuesday states was that the Sanders campaign didn’t campaign in those states. Last night Rachael Maddow said that not only did Bernie campaign in every one of those states, but he opened his offices in those states first and had more paid workers in each state. There is no doubt in my mind that Hillary Clinton in every way is a far superior candidate and would make a far superior President than Bernie Sanders. You guys are all drinking some pretty strong Kool Aid. Your Revolution will NEVER happen.

          • HopyMcChange

            lol. you thought I was a Bernie supporter?

          • End game

            No, clear you’re a brainwashed Fox News mouthpiece who can’t think on their own or lend anything to a conversation among serious people.

            “Hillary LIES” works in the playpen you escaped from but not here.

          • Bri

            Even it’s a mistake, it is still a criminal offense.

          • Cyril Sneer

            She made a mistake and then made the same mistake many more times whilst instructing her sub-ordinates to also break the law.

            You guys will literally let anyone get away with anything if they suit your political views. Just like Bill Clinton who lied in front of a nation under oath. It seems that scandals, intimidation and all manner of illegal activities follow the clintons around. And you lot continue to give them a free pass.

        • kochu

          You are funny because you think hillary hacks think people will believe your lies.

        • Robin Goodfellow

          Last time I checked polifact, she did not beat Sanders. They were statistically the same.

      • End game
        • Bri

          Yes, because judging truthfulness on matters that aren’t black and white is accurate!

        • kochu

          Again, you are funny because you are linking to a fabricated report full of lies.

          • End game

            Politfact is an award-winning fact checking site. You don’t like the results, so you call them liars. Very mature.

    • Marisa Nordstrom

      “Longtime teacher” says it all.

    • Adam Rhodes

      I would vote for a dreamer over a liar any day

      • jeanrenoir

        Isn’t it funny how far the damned Boomers have descended from the days they actually supported the “dreams” of the Sanders of his time RFK? Remember Teddy’s eulogy to RFK: “Some men see things as they are, and ask why. I dream of things that never were, and ask, “Why not?” Too bad so many Boomers sold out to complacency and greed, which the Clintons have personified. The millennials see this so clearly, and the Clinton hypocrisy makes them puke.

        • docjohndenver

          The “millennials” just want free college, loan forgiveness, and free health care. That’s why they love Bernie. When I talk to young adults “feeling the Bern”, that’s all they talk about.

          • End game

            Because they’re sick of deceptive Republican “I’ve got mine, and most of yours, good luck sucker” trickle down tax cuts for the insanely Uber-wealthy while voting down opportunities for regular people at every opportunity. Eventually the truth comes to haunt you. Nice job turning an entire generation against you. I hear you mocking them — but FYI, their hatred of your slick soulless policies is not a good thing for you.

          • docjohndenver

            Enders game, anyone who says “slick soulless” about anything is just an idiot. Have a nice day.

          • jeanrenoir

            You need to get out more. The ones I talk to are a little deeper in “revolution” than that. They actually care about (gasp!) social justice–sort of like the old days, when Bill Clinton was working for George McGovern instead of being a greedy old Boomer working for Goldman Sachs.

          • docjohndenver

            You’redreaming jean, but I like the fact that someone dreams. These kids just want stuff for free I’m not a trickle down republican as “end game” espouses. This “revolution” is as paper thin as the last one. As soon as the draft went away the last “revolutionaries” became investment bankers. My kids are “millennials” and we worked and saved to get them through school. I’d just as soon not pay for someone else’s kids now. If that makes me unclear about the “revolution” so be it. People act in their own self-interest. This generation is no different. As usual, they just couch it in the cloak of wanting a revolution of the people.

          • jeanrenoir

            You may be afflicted with Boomer cynicism syndrome–works for the Clintons!–if you’re in the cohort that’s suffered through the costs of college for your kids recently. I taught 18thC satire in college for years and love Swift and the other despisers of the human race, like Twain! That said, I’m very impressed by the millennials for Bernie. Lots of them are absolutely not on the classic Boomer wavelength of “What’s in it for ME?” As the often well-sold-out Boomers now die out faster and faster, and the millennials–a larger generation than the Boomers even before all the Boomer deaths we’ve seen already–truly take over our politics, Bernie’s campaign this year will have been a mere warm-up for millennials determined to make America a multi-cultural Denmark. Only the Boomers say it can never be done. The millennials know the voters can get whatever they damn well vote for. Bernie’s also shown the millennials that small donors can raise a lot more money instantly than the fat cats. In other words, the Kochs, Wall St., Big Pharma, etc., are now exposed as mere paper tigers. Bernie will have MORE money than Hillary for ads, and more for ads than Hillary would have had in the general, to fight Republican smears, if Bernie actually gets nominated. The Net has been the political revolution. It’s happened already, and the millennials are the only ones who truly get the full implications of what’s happened. In the next decade they’ll change the Democratic Party BACK to the future, BACK to FDR’s vision of multi-cultural solidarity, as opposed to the Boomer “ME Generation” of politics as an extension of the great Boomer yuppie mantra “looking out for No. 1.” I’m too old to be a Boomer, thank God. So I’m in the grandfather slot vis a vis the son Boomers and grandson millennials. As usual, the grandfather bonds with the grandson because they have a common enemy.

          • docjohndenver

            I’m actually afflicted with “sick of treating young people that don’t pay taxes as if they’re all-powerful and all-knowing”. Has nothing to do with “boomers”. Believe it or not there are even young adults who aren’t part of your imaginary “revolution”. Laughable.

          • Robin Goodfellow

            If the jobs taht paid a living wage were available now that were available to your generation just out of high school, then they would be paying taxes. They want to work and would if it were possible. And living their reality is a good way to know. Why don’t you try to imagine what life would be like in their shoes?

          • docjohndenver

            One of the problems with the internet of course is we make comments to people we know nothing about. I put myself through premed and med school doing construction. I grew up in Gatun, Panama, the son of missionaries. I can assure you that the vast majority of today’s youth (who have generally not impressed me with their motivation and work ethic) have it substantially easier than those of us in the generations before them. If you are so into helping them, feel free to send more of your money in extra taxes to them. I scrimped and saved to pay off loans and then to help my kids through college. I don’t need to provide for everyone else’s. If that is harsh to you, so what.

          • Robin Goodfellow

            Times have changed for the worse. Millennials face a difficult future. Thanks to the housing bubble collapse, those construction jobs are no longer available to younger generations trying to pay for college. Even when they were, they could have paid for college when it was still cheap, but as you know, it has gone way up.

            I can’t imagine how you paid your way through med school let alone had time to study working a full time and exhausting job in construction. Today’s med students often graduate with debt I think in the range of 200000$ – 300000$. Entry level construction workers no longer earn nearly enough to cover that.

            Today’s youth face 30 – 40% actual joblessness. Not even a college degree always helps.

            During the post war economic boom, anybody with a high school diploma and a good attitude could get a job that paid a living wage. It has not been that way since the 1960s. It is bad now.

          • Robin Goodfellow

            Not true doc. All they want is a level playing field and the same benefits (affordable education and health care, jobs that pay a living wage, affordable housing) your generation enjoyed without even needing an education.

          • docjohndenver

            I disagree. My generation didn’t have nearly the advantages technologically or educationally.

          • Robin Goodfellow

            You’re wrong about socialism not working. For the most part, Socialism has been workign here in Europe. Western European and Scandanavian socialist countries now have a higher quality of life and better standard of livign than the US. Basic things like an education and health care are very cheap. Taxes are comparable to the US. I actually pay less in taxes here than I would in the US (counting the dozen or so state and local taxes and toher money that are taken from american wages) with teh same income.

            You’re generation had less access to information, but education and health care was more affordable.

          • docjohndenver

            Maam, we just disagree here. I’ve walked the streets of Rome and talked to the young people who at one point had a 27% unemployment under the age of thirty. Greece is bankrupt and being propped up by the EU (meaning Germany), your workers have been imported from North Africa and the Middle east because there are not enough citizens to do the jobs so you have huge neighborhoods with hundreds of thousands of disaffected Muslims that now are about to blow up. Of course its already happening in France and Belgium. England is trying to decide whether to forgo the EU completely. And the idea of the “middle class” in Europe is totally different than here. I am truly glad you like it there. I like the way things are here. Despite the far left president here, most people here actually like America the way we’ve been while we’ve led the last two centuries the world. Your socialism has largely “worked” in your opinion because your countries spend 1-3% of GDP on military. We have footed that bill for a half century but I have a feeling we won’t be much longer hopefully. Socialism works for those brought up in a world where a small flat with possibly one car and a clinic system staffed largely by nurses and propping up some other countries is what you expect. We expect more. Or at least I do. But you seem really nice. Sorry if anything I said offended you.

          • Robin Goodfellow

            Why shouldn’t they have these things? The boomers had them or something very close to them in their day.

          • docjohndenver

            No, the boomers put themselves through school. I am not a socialist. I do not believe kids should get out of high school and get four to eight years of free money from the rest of us that worked our way through school. It not only isn’t fair to us, it isn’t good for them.

          • Robin Goodfellow

            I’m curious about the construction firms not being able to find workers. I do not live in teh US and haven’t followed this closely in recent years. Are they located in a remote area? Is the pay too low to pay tuition and rent? I worked my way through college too. One summer I even worked in a mine. Taht and academic scholarships.

          • docjohndenver

            No the construction firms are in and around Denver, a metroplex with a good economy. The dirty little secret about cheap immigrant labor is that the youth begin to consider themselves a bit above those menial jobs even though often the pay really is not that bad and can work around school hours, etc. I am of the opinion that those jobs help create a hard working, well rounded individual. If we give free college to everyone (which of course means taxing us more) there is no need to take those jobs and that is exactly what is happening. It happened a long time ago largely in Europe which is why the menial labor is done in many large cities by immigrants. The difference of course is ours are, for the most part, Catholic. A large amount of yours are Muslims. The left would like to think and say that is not a problem for Europe. But of course we know different now, don’t we? But the economic effects of making college “free” are the same.

          • docjohndenver

            And so you worked multiple jobs and had academic scholarships and those are great things. It is a big part of who you are now, right? Here is where we are as a society I think: we have the boomers who are retiring (I’m 50 so just behind them. My parents were some of the oldest boomers) and we have youth who have less than great job prospects demanding free college to get degrees that do not then magically make jobs appear. The fact is that an economy for the world’s only superpower with about 350 million people will NEVER have enough white collar jobs. Thus, an awful lot of the kids feeling the Bern are wanting four year degrees that do nothing. We need working class jobs back. So what to do? It seems that matching tariffs with countries that tariff our goods is a start. Giving tax breaks to companies that bring jobs back might help. And the biggie? Stop unfettered immigration. Seriously, if Trump wasn’t a loose cannon, he’d have a pretty effective platform. There are three choices: continue the current path, print money and pretend the debt isn’t real (Hillary), try a more populist approach (Trump), or become socialists (Bernie). I know that Europeans believe in socialism but everything I’ve seen of democratic socialism is that it creates a two tiered multicultural powder keg that is beginning to blow as I’ve mentioned before. And it slowly erodes strong family values and individual motivation. This is borne out in the lower marriage rate and substantially lower rate of having children in Europe. I, for one, just don’t want that. When I visit Europe I am always reminded that things in America work better, are generally cleaner, and people still have a greater feeling of freedom of economic movement.

      • End game

        http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/ Clinton has twice as many statements rated “True” as Sanders and more statements rated “shades” of true (mostly true, half true) than Sanders. Both have far more than any Republican.

        Liar? You made that up, or are just repeating something that Rush Limbaugh said, or you made the fatal mistake of listening to Fox News for one minute.

        Maybe you could read a little?

        • Bri

          Banghazi, email server…

    • End game

      I agree. She has the best grasp of the economy and what ails it of any candidate. And Gallup polls of foreign citizens showed that approval of America soared while she was at State, flying everywhere and holding town hall meetings in other countries. American prestige helps us effectuate our foreign policy, making us safer.

      • Bri

        That’s foreign western approval and Israel. I don’t think she has a high level approval from Libya and Syria.

    • Bri

      Yes, like the truth about her emails and how she helped cause the Syrian refugee crisis.

    • Authoritarian “liberal”

      That old bag of blood clots is the disease of American politics.

      She is not the cure.

    • Robin Goodfellow

      Because a dreamer has a vision. He wants something better than the status quo. As a teacher, you must know that the prospects for your students is bleak under this status quo. The world has moved on, and things are not nearly as easy as they were for much of the baby boomer generation.

  • SeattleZ

    A lot of Sanders supporters will stay home, rather than vote if Hillary is nominated.

    Congress matters. State legislatures matter. Write in a president if you want, but vote.

    • raffishtenant

      The Supreme Court also matters. A write-in vote for president is a wasted vote in that regard.

      If disillusioned Sanders supporters were to throw the presidency to Trump/Cruz by staying home or writing in, after Clinton wins more votes in the primary (as she almost certainly will)…that’s a lot of responsibility to take, with respect to the next several decades of jurisprudence.

      Sanders will throw his support to Clinton in the interest of his country. I can only hope that his supporters will do the same.

      • SeattleZ

        One: I’d rather have someone write in the president and make a difference on the down-ballot than stay home. Two: There is no way I can blame the Sanders supporters if Trump wins against Hillary. Most of them wouldn’t have voted anyway if Sanders had never run in the first place.

        • raffishtenant

          Fair enough. If one is going to split the difference that way and/or just really doesn’t like Clinton, I’ll take the half-full cup over the empty one.

          What I would say to the zero-or-half-cuppers is that they may end up with four years of gnashing their teeth before they get another chance, and a lot can happen in four years.

  • Dung Imso Eel

    Oh. Such of thought crime for an Americans to want of control border and such of political crime for an Americans to think illegal alien make of more unemployments and downwards on a wage pressure…Such an offense to a Dear Clinton Mother for an Americans to think of an America first and not to be of global citizen and spread a wealths to poor nation and so to join US as second and towards a third world nations. Such to resist a Dear Obama Leader is not allowed of groupthink. All time a Trumps actually talk of is a good thing to make a business and to make a money! How to be so crass and of a white privilege. A Dear Clinton Mother makes all aberrant thinkings to be whole…

  • Floyd R Turbot

    The GOP has it’s issues, but the Democrats are taking it to a whole different level. That is the only way to think of the choice that they must make. Do they vote for the Conniving Crook or the Commie? That is a choice no one should have to make.

    • SeattleZ

      “The GOP has it’s issues”

      Now there is an understatement if I’ve ever seen one. The Titanic had it’s issues after it hit the iceberg.

      • raffishtenant

        Floyd: I give Lindsay Graham (R-wilderness) credit for choosing, in his own tragically resigned words, to be shot rather than stabbed.

        Our crook/commie vs. your lunatic/sociopath. Sounds fair. Game on.

        • SeattleZ

          I wouldn’t call Sanders a commie, and I wouldn’t call Hillary a crook. But I would call Cruz a lunatic and Trump a sociopath, or vice-versa.

          • raffishtenant

            All facetiousness aside, glad we’re on the same page.

          • Sanders is commie-lite…or a Socialist…Hillary is just an outright liar! Bernie is the ID of the Dems and Trump is the EGO of the Pubs…

          • SeattleZ

            You forgot about Cruz, who is just pure evil.

    • Pamela Sue Chandler- Post

      Bernie is not a commie, he’s a Democratic Socialist. Look it up!

      • Floyd R Turbot

        Many people consider that a distinction without a difference.

        • flootzavut

          Many people are ignorant. The majority is not automatically right.

          • Tamalpais

            I’ll remember that if the majority of voters should give us the misfortune of having Hillary or Bernie as our next president.

  • jeanrenoir

    Well said!

  • Pamela Sue Chandler- Post

    Don’t give up on Bernie, you haven’t even voted in New York yet, He can and will win!

  • End game

    NYT a court gazette for the Clintons? The Libya article was scathing for Clinton. Makes me think John MacArthur needs to actually read the paper before criticizing it. Bill Clinton “on the take”? In what universe? John: the reason organizations pay so much to hear him speak is because 1. Everyone who actually attends one of his speeches agrees the guy is brilliant; 2; he’s sincere about solving problems for the working class and 3. His approval rating is through the roof as a result. And being on the board of a Dow Jones company used to be a good thing. And it’s not a crime to pay a wage that is below your imaginary minimum, particularly if you’re creating hundreds of thousands of jobs, as Walmart is. And there’s something known as a profit … never mind. And John, you just prosecuted a case against Hillary Clinton’s use of email that no one else has and without explaining how it’s different from all the other Secretaries of State who did the same.

    “The Clintons don’t believe in anything beyond their own careers”. What a baseless, childlike, naive, manufactured smear.

    • Confucius

      Please — Except when those thousands of jobholders at Wal-mart need
      public assistance to make ends meet, and the stores end up being a net
      loser for localities. Rationalize that.

    • Robin Goodfellow

      What kind of job is it if it doesn’t pay a living wage?

      • End game

        What is your definition of a living wage? The average pay at Walmart for full time employees is $13 per hour, or $27,040 per year. That is above the U.S. federal poverty level of $24K for a family of four. A breadwinner with a spouse and two children would additionally earn a federal Earned Income Tax Credit of $5,372, putting his or her total income at $32,412 per year. In what sense is that not a “living wage”? And this is just for an individual, not necessarily a family of four. A couple working for Walmart’s average pay would earn $52,080 per year, not including benefits. Walmart has created 1.2 million jobs. Contrary to what Walmart’s critics seem to imply, none of those job holders is working there at gunpoint. Rather, they are all voluntary workers who presumably would take a better option if 1) another “socially responsible” company would offer them a “living wage”, or 2) the federal government assistance was good enough for them not to take it. So why criticize the creator of all this voluntary employment? Why not criticize Apple or Google for failing to create an additional 1.2 million jobs at a “livable wage” or the federal government for setting welfare payments below the level of Walmart’s pay, “forcing” Walmart employees to take the higher, private sector employment and the pride of working?

  • End game

    NYT a court gazette for the Clintons? The Libya article was scathing for Clinton. Makes me think John MacArthur needs to actually read the paper before criticizing it. Bill Clinton “on the take”? In what universe? John: the reason organizations pay so much to hear him speak is because 1. Everyone who actually attends one of his speeches agrees the guy is brilliant; 2; he’s sincere about solving problems for the working class and 3. His approval rating is through the roof as a result. And being on the board of a Dow Jones company used to be a good thing. And it’s not a crime to pay a wage that is below your imaginary minimum, particularly if you’re creating hundreds of thousands of jobs, as Walmart is. And there’s something known as a profit … never mind. And John, you just prosecuted a case against Hillary Clinton’s use of email that no one else has and without explaining how it’s different from all the other Secretaries of State who did the same.

    “The Clintons don’t believe in anything beyond their own careers”. What a baseless, childlike, naive, manufactured smear.

  • mrobert42

    John MacArthur has a civic obligation as do we all to select the next President I don’t like the Clintons either but abdicating my responsibility and making Trump the default President Elect is unacceptable I will hold my nose

  • Gail Newman

    I join the authors frustration with Sanders – though I am an ardent Bernie fan.

    When Sanders speaks of Walmart’s corporate welfare, he SHOULD say that Hillary sat on that board for 6 years, so don’t believe her when she says that she will be the champion of the poor, of women, children, and families.

    When Sanders speaks of income inequality, he fails to even mention that which has been proven. In America, economic inequality equates to social inequality. Inequality has been PROVEN to be the source of all of our social ills. America, when compared to other industrialized nations, has the highest economic inequality,and that is directly tied to our having the higest rates of:

    mental illness,
    murder,
    crime,
    people in prison
    child hunger,
    infant mortality,
    high school drop outs,
    early mortality for the less equal
    divorce
    and the subjective sense of overall well-being.
    (There might be more. I’d have to re-read the studies to be sure)

    Sanders fails to tie all of the social issues into a cohesive argument tied to economic inequality. He could be saying that Clinton fights the symptoms, but he is attacking the disease. He should be saying that fighting the symptoms will never bring about a cure. He SHOULD be saying that, but he doesn’t. Why?

    I suspect that he doesn’t know. I used to think that he was trying to stay on message. Clinton and Bush were lauded for that, but Sanders is criticized for it.

    Without being sufficiently educated to know the rest, his message sounds strange and foreign to our ears. But that’s because of the weaponization of education combined with the failure of news outlets to know history or care about news.

    Sanders is on the right track. That’s why I support him. But he needs to watch this video:
    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=how+economic+inequality+harms+societies

  • Robert Holtson

    Another white privileged wealthy person speaks. If his guy can’t win, let poor and low income people eat cake. #myfamilyisrich

    • Confucius

      I don’t think he is advocating more suffering for the middle class. Frankly, Trump would be better than any of the other GOP candidates at least on what he says (if he can stick to it).

      • flootzavut

        Trump barely seems to know his own policies; expecting him to stick to them seems wildly optimistic at best.

    • Bri

      Do you have any evidence for this or do you just like to deal in hyperbole?

    • Cyril Sneer

      Privileged or worked hard by getting out of bed every day and being committed to your job.

      Oh that sort of privilege.

      You should get a job.

      • Allison Jones

        The man inherited billions and the MacArthur foundation paid for his magazine. Look it up. His family foundation has millions invested in the same hedge funds he sneers at. He’s no different than Trump or the Clintons, for that matter, except the Clintons weren’t born rich.

        • Robin Goodfellow

          But the Rodhams were.

  • Phil Ostrand

    Hey I am spoiled white and rich. So I can afford to sit out an election. Meanwhile the poor and hard working cannot. This man reeks of privilege. So do the loudest of the Bernie Bots… Disgusting.

    • Confucius

      Why is it disgusting that a fellow American voice his opinion and distaste for both front-runners?

      • Phil Ostrand

        Because she can afford to sit out an election while millions of others cannot. Sarandon is able to weather the storm, the rest of us are not so lucky. Daughter raped and pregnant? Sarandon can fly her somewhere for a discrete abortion. The rest of us? Stuck. Involved in so many new wars our taxes go through the roof? Sarandon can summer over in Prague. Economy crashes due to tariffs? Ah the pleasures of Provence…

        This ilk of spoiled white rich people who are putting out the Bernie or bust myth can afford to sit out an election. The people of the United States cannot.

        • Robin Goodfellow

          Why do you call bernie or bust a myth? It is a powerful movement. Do you not remember gore vs bush? people were disgusted by that “choice.” he won florida by 700 votes. 40000 floridians voted for nader.

          • Phil Ostrand

            And do you not remember what happened when Bush won??? That is the point. We cannot afford to let the CONs win again. And Nader lied about Gore. Kind of like how the Berners are lying about Hillary.

  • Confucius

    We are nearing the end of the great 50 year cycle of conservatism that began with Goldwater and reached its apotheosis with Reagan. Sanders will not likely be elected, but like Goldwater, his positions will largely win the day. Clinton is Nixonian. She’s shrewd, not much loved, self centered. A younger Sanders / FDR type will follow within 12 years. Clinton will be an interesting milestone and footnote, but not transformative.

  • Suzann

    Mr MacArthur is hating Ms Clinton so much that his arguments holds no credibility. For us observing the US election from abroad, it is obvious that Ms Clinton is the best candidate for president of the USA and the only hope for the rest of the world of having a future without an incompetent and unpredictable person close to the nuclear bomb buttp

    • Scott

      there is no argument. just Hillary bashing. it’s getting old.

    • drkkrw

      She is incompetent and unpredictable though. Only that not everyone thinks she is whereas everyone thinks DT is both. I think the latter state (in which everyone would not think twice about going against orders/policies from a DT presidency) is somehow safer for the ROW.

      • Suzann

        You are wrong, she is by far the most competent candidate in this election. Maybe you don’t like to hear it, but a person of the caliber of Ms Clinton is what the US need.

        • End game

          I agree. Thank you for contributing a lucid comment.

        • Rory Conrad

          Hillary Clinton. embodies the resilience and violence of a system whose vaunted “exceptionalism” is totalitarian with an occasional liberal face.

        • Authoritarian “liberal”

          America needs Bill’s wife like Killary needs another blood clot in her head.

          • Suzann

            Are you wishing for Ms Clinton to have a stroke just because you don’t agree on what she stands for? What have you accomplished in life to allow you to express yourself about another human being with such contempt?

          • Authoritarian “liberal”

            I have integrity.

            Killary does not.

          • Suzann

            It is not integrity to wish for someone to have a stroke. It is cowardness.

          • Authoritarian “liberal”

            I want threats neutralized.

            Killary is a threat to my nation’s well-being.

            If she has another stroke, or a sniper’s bullet finds her skull, it matters not how she is neutralized.

            http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/31/politics/hillary-clinton-hospitalized/

          • flootzavut

            When you resort to name calling and wishing death on someone, you really have a problem. I don’t much care for Hillary myself (sometimes I’m glad I’m not American, our politicians are bad enough, America’s would likely dissuade me from voting ever again), but wishing for her to die is repulsive and calling her names is childish. Neither do anything to make you seem credible, or even vaguely stable, and they aren’t going to convince anyone to your side.

          • Authoritarian “liberal”

            Strokes and blood clots will take her out soon enough.

          • flootzavut

            … and thanks for proving my point.

          • flootzavut

            Thanks for proving my point.

        • drkkrw

          U r a believer and have faith. I wish u luck. But unfortunately her record as a person and politician tells a different story. That is irrelevant though to the faithfuls.

          • Suzann

            No, I am not a believer nor am I religious but I expect a serious discussion. Your sweeping statements about Ms Clinton is not to be taken serious. Be specific: what “records as a person and politician” are you referring to?

          • WTF

            You’ve been long on assertions but absent on fact, I think we deserve a few facts from you first !

        • WTF

          Her track record tells a different story when the least of her failures are she can’t even safe guard sensitive emails. Competent, yeah right !

    • Rory Conrad
    • steddyneddy

      Clinton a serial liar who tells silly unnecessary lies about being under fire in Bosnia isn’t Presidential material. After what she did to Libya “We came, we saw, he died,” she should be in the Hague facing war crimes.

      • Suzann

        “serial liar”? Be careful with the words you are using. The discussion about who is going to hold the most important office in the world today – the Presidency of the US – is far to important to be handled in a non serious way. Welcome back to this discussion when you have comments that make sense, are well thought through and uses a balanced language.

        • WTF

          Serial liar, we have the 22 politifact lies she’s made in the link below and that doesn’t even cover her being under fire in Bosnia (LIE), implying the families of those killed in Benghazi were liars, claiming no one die in Libya on her watch (LIE) not to mention all her email lies. You could fill a book larger than Obamas health care legislation covering all her lies.

          http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/statements/byruling/false/

          • Suzann

            You refer to Politifact.com but the statistics from that very site are not supporting your view of Ms Clinton as a serial liar. Ms Clinton statements by ruling, according to Politifact, are 52% true or mostly true and 27% false or mostly false. If you look a