Rod Liddle

Suicide bombing seems to have become a new Yorkshire tradition

Life has changed in Dewsbury and Bradford. We've let people there down – but not in the way the bien pensants tell you

20 June 2015

9:00 AM

20 June 2015

9:00 AM

Where would you rather live, Dewsbury or Bradford? I ask because it seems that there are probably some good property deals to be had in this particular corner of West Yorkshire right now, as a consequence of half the population decamping to Syria in order to blow themselves up. I mean, property was pretty cheap already — in Savile Town, Dewsbury, right in the heart of the Muslim ghetto, you can buy a nice grey stone cottage for not much more than fifty grand. Two beds, back yard, only a stone’s throw from the local sharia court and that vast mosque run by those jovial extremists Tablighi Jamaat. But it’ll be even cheaper now, I would guess.

Dewsbury in particular is getting a reputation as Detonation Central — the Muslims there seem ready to blow themselves up at the drop of a hat. Ask one of them the time of day — and boom, entrails all over your jacket. Three of the four savages who carried out the July 2005 bombings in London came from the area, as did Britain’s first really young Islamist extremist, Hammad Munshi. And now there’s Talha Asmal who, at 17, has become Britain’s youngest ever suicide bomber (sub-editors — please check this with one of the McWhirters).

Talha blew himself up near an oil refinery in Iraq, and his family are said to be distraught and shocked. ‘He was just a normal Yorkshire lad,’ one family friend commented, a little incongruously — although I suppose he was pretty much par for the course in that particular swath of the county. Eeeh bah gum, that’s a reet fine suicide belt tha’s wearing, our Iqbal. Meanwhile in Bradford, three sisters and their nine children have gone missing after a pilgrimage to Medina, in Saudi Arabia, and are believed now to be somewhere under the auspices of the Islamic State, in a voluntary capacity. The BBC and the Guardian are terribly concerned about them, worried about their safety. Me — I’m slightly less so, to tell you the truth. In the first place, I don’t see why we should restrict the movement of people wherever they might want to go — they wish to travel the world, do a spot of beheading and be blown up by a US airstrike, I say bon voyage. And if they can encourage a few more similarly minded people to do likewise, all the better. All I would add is — whatever you do, don’t let them back in. Any of them.


There is the usual state of denial in both communities — Dewsbury and, eight or nine miles to the north, Bradford. In the latter case, the husbands of those sisters have moaned that the UK police have done very little to help them find the women. But why should they? It’s a free country. Over here, women are allowed to piss off whenever they want. You don’t like that level of freedom, then go and join them. No, really.

And then there’s Savile Town, Dewsbury — a little quadrant of hell created by arrogant, deluded, well-meaning white liberals infused with the multicultural ethos. Just as the current chaos and bloodshed in Iraq and Syria was brought about, come to think of it. The whites have been leaving Savile Town for years and those remaining were told that they were ‘racist’ if they objected to the changing character of the place in which they had lived for all of their lives. The pubs were closed down, or ransacked by Muslims and then closed down. The local women’s hockey team suffered intimidation when they turned out on the playing fields: the police told them they were a ‘provocation’ to the new local community and to go elsewhere. The local rugby team complained about jagged shards of metal and broken glass implanted in the ground where they touched down. The police told them, nothing we can do — go elsewhere. They went.

A sharia court was set up by Savile Town’s residents, which caused a few headlines nationally — but no matter that this court horribly discriminated against women; the white liberals argued that it was their culture and to oppose it was kinda racist, m’kay? The court is still there, doing its misogynist stuff. Those playing fields, once a source of both pride and recreation, were sold to the aforementioned extremist Islamic movement, Tablighi Jamaat — an organisation which yearns for all of Britain to be Islamic and rejects the notion of western education and cultural assimilation. Sold to the mosque by the local council for — one pound. It is now a vast edifice and Tablighi’s European headquarters. No more rugby and certainly no more women playing hockey. Virtually no white people, either — the area is now 98 per cent Muslim, largely Indian and Pakistani Muslim.

And they have brought their vibrant political culture to Dewsbury, too — there was widespread voter fraud at the local elections there in 2005, with postal votes from Savile Town piling up in favour of one candidate, much to the annoyance of voters who had not been given the chance to fill in their ballot papers. They had been filled in for them. A police investigation ensued and in the end three men were cautioned, that’s all. The same story as in all the areas we have allowed to become Muslim ghettoes: the people there now suffer the same levels of corruption and repression which pertained in the countries they left. Oh, and the grooming rings. I forgot about the grooming rings. So much that this culture has delivered to us — it all piles up and one simply can’t keep track.

The delusions persist. Locals cannot understand how Savile Town has bred a suicide bomber, because Islam is a peaceable religion, isn’t it? But it is true that we have let down the people of Savile Town — and Bradford. Let down the original inhabitants, most importantly. And let down the incomers by allowing community leaders to replicate the political, social and religious culture of Pakistan.

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  • blandings

    “…arrogant, deluded, well-meaning white liberals infused with the multicultural ethos.”

    I wonder why Rod keeps voting for a party dominated by well-meaning white liberals infused with the multicultural ethos. He can do what he likes of course, but I don’t understand.

    • Mongo

      I assume you’re referring to Labour rather than UKIP? 😉

      Rod explained that he believes Labour are the only party who will truly deliver social equality – I think it’s a wind-up personally…

      • blandings

        1) Yes
        2) It has crossed my mind

      • post_x_it

        Rod does wind-ups for a living.

    • rodliddle

      I didn’t vote Conservative. Never have.

      • Dominic Stockford

        That’s what he said.

        • rodliddle

          Yes, you’re right, Dominic. They’ve been SO stalwart against immigration, the Tories.

          • Dominic Stockford

            I don’t trust any of them on this matter – so wouldn’t vote for any of them. In fact this is one of a number of issues that made me stand for election myself back in May. But Labour? Please, no, don’t vote for them.

          • rodliddle

            No Callipygian – they have no more objection to it than do Labour. And truth be told nor does UKIP, except for the EU control issue. Look to Blue Labour. That really is about it.

          • Dominic Stockford

            Sharia watch figures for 2011 show 1 in 3 children between 0 and 14 years in major towns and urban areas is Muslim.

          • 1664averygoodyear

            Rod we all know you vote UKIP and are just playing the ‘honest guv I’m a laybah vota me guv’ card to wind up the luvvies. Saying you vote Labour provides protection for you to launch your (very well justified and completely accurate) attacks against Labour.

          • Damaris Tighe

            I liked what Jon Cruddas had to say after the Election.

          • Callipygian

            Better than Labour or any other socialist party have been, Rod.

          • rodliddle

            no different on that issue, Callipygian.

          • Callipygian

            I just don’t see how you can say that. It was Blair’s Labour party that quite cynically brought destructive immigration to this country. The only reason the Tories stopped trying to stand athwart history is that everyone accused them of standing athwart history and called them ‘the nasty party’. To a certain extent, the British people are complicit because they allowed the socialists to do this Tory-shaming, and at the same time they were too diffident. On the other hand, nothing can absolve the underhand scheming of Labour, which certainly did want to change the make-up of the country and certainly didn’t want the people to vote on whether they wanted that or not. Because Labour knew, of course, that for all but the strenuous Left, the answer would be ‘not’.

          • rodliddle

            More have arrived here under the Tories. Simple, qed, etc. Nor does Cameron stand any chance of halting the flow. Yes Labour was originally to blame – but do you really think this lot are any more robust? You kidding?

          • To their shame, then. But as I said, the Tories adopted the position that if you can’t beat ’em, join ’em. If they had been politically free to follow their real instincts instead — back when it would have made all the difference — we would not be in this crisis now.

          • jennybloggs

            The thing is Rod there is no way of stemming the flow other than by getting really nasty. Things are too far gone now for gentler actions to have any impact and we English are not far right; it isn’t in our DNA.

          • E.I.Cronin

            Jenny I wonder about this… I suspect Cameron, May et al could change Immigration policy tomorrow (non-eu settlers obviously) if they had a mind to protect their nation, which of course they don’t. There are so many sound, urgent reasons besides Islam to cite for drastically reducing numbers and restricting permanent settlers to very narrow criteria that would naturally exclude Muslims: public housing; welfare; environmental pressure from overpopulation; low-skilled wages and workers etc. There’s more than one way to skin a cat. Politicians are expert dissimulators. This is what I find even more infuriating than the actual problem – solutions are still at hand. Though like you I do believe things will have to get very nasty before the general public is galvanised. I’ve been reading David Abbott’s ‘Dark Albion’ and revelling in his cold anger and deadly wit. The chapter on the Coming of the English is brilliant – hopefully a little of that ‘fierce and impious Saxon’ spirit is left in the British people. And in Australians too. We’ll need it.

          • Noa

            An excellent post Rod, full of dark wit, or perhaps I should say, humour of colour?
            May I suggest that a credit to Danny Lockwood and his book “The Islamic Republic of Dewsbury” for much of the base material you refer to would have been welcome for that indigent and courageous journalist.
            http://newenglishreview.org/Esmerelda_Weatherwax/The_Islamic_Republic_of_Dewsbury_-_Danny_Lockwood/

          • rodliddle

            Yes, granted. Credit to Danny Lockwood, huge credit.

          • E.I.Cronin

            Thanks for the heads up mate. More ammunition – will make sure friends request copies at their local library branches. Seems like every week MC policy provides even more evidence of it’s failure.

          • Noa

            Thank you. Personally I feel that it’s courageous people like Danny Lockwood who should be getting honours like the MBE and Knighthoods, not horrible little socialists like Tony Robinson.

          • E.I.Cronin

            Lockwood sounds very tenacious. Good on him. Books like this are essential, so many naive liberals support MC policy without any direct experience of having your neighbourhood transformed into an alien, hostile environment. Its happening here too, though perhaps not as acute as Dewsbury and Bradford. The more people in rural electorates who find out how destructive high immigration levels are, the more likely they’ll pressure their backbenchers to vote for reform or repeal. Will circulate the book.

      • blandings

        Neither have I.
        At the election in May I voted UKIP and Green.
        Rod, you’re the only person I’ve told.
        (Well except for the wife, but she’s Polish and thinks we’re all mad anyway)

        • rodliddle

          GREEN???????????? Do you drink human breast milk and cycle?

          • blandings

            Not at the same time obviously (Well not unless I’ve had a couple of gins anyway).
            Look, I didn’t mean to upset you but there was no one else to vote for.

  • Mongo

    Outrage abounds that the police/authorities did nothing to stop the jihadi sisters leaving the UK for their pilgrimage

    Can you imagine the outrage amongst the Muslim community if they had tried to stop them?: ‘harrassment!’, ‘Islamophobia!’, ‘we’re being oppressed!’ etc…’

    • RockySpears

      “Can you imagine the outrage amongst the Muslim community if they had tried to stop them?: ‘harrassment!’, ‘Islamophobia!’, ‘we’re being oppressed!’ etc…'”
      I was saying this over and over last night, then the BBC, just kind of mentioned it, and moved on.
      The best bit was when the “estranged ” husband, currently in Pakistan, demanded to know how his wife was allowed to do this “without my permission”.

      • Damaris Tighe

        He must have missed the ‘British Values’ course.

        • AJH1968

          Those well meaning white liberals need to be forced to live with these delightful people, so that they may be culturally enriched. I think they are far too often denied an enriching experience due to geographical circumstance.

          • Damaris Tighe

            I saw a photo the other day of one of those ice cream van vendors in Dewsbury, you know, the ones which have the nice tinkly chimes & remind us of childhood. The vendor was in full burka with only an eye slit. Is this a foresight of things to come?

          • Mongo

            Religious radicals have even infiltrated the ice cream industry!

            I didn’t think Burka women were allowed to do any work – unless it was one of the men in disguise trying to entice young children into a grooming ring.

          • Damaris Tighe

            I can only describe the photo I saw.

          • Mongo
          • Donafugata

            “Oh missis, you don’t need that apostrophe an’ anyway it’s spelt ISIS.

          • Ridcully

            Very good.

          • Donafugata

            Thanks Rid.

          • Phil63

            That’s the winner right there!!

          • AliceS

            If you can keep your head
            when all about you
            Are losing theirs
            You might as well have an ice cream my son

          • Yorkieeye

            She needs to be careful, she may touch the hand of a man not her husband when handing over ice creams. She could find herself up before the Sharia court (the little prick tease).

          • AJH1968

            I would rather buy an iced lolly from Darth Vader than one of those burka cyclopses.

          • Damaris Tighe

            ha ha!

          • Muttley

            Well … no … it’s here and now. Not just burqas but beheadings too.

          • Nigella

            Isis, Isis, come and get your Isis!

          • Jay Igaboo

            Genius!

          • AJH1968

            Brilliant!

          • Disgruntledgoat

            That may be the only ice cream van on a west Yorks housing estate that actually deals in ice cream

          • JackMak

            It will be of course Halal Isis-cream.

          • Gilbert White

            l know a place where fasting Muslims serve cold beer during the heat of the day to non Muslims without complaint because it is their livelihood!

        • Malcolm Stevas

          Be fair – he probably knows the rules of cricket…

        • rightrightright

          ‘British Values’. That’s his bennies. No wife and kids? Then it’s a single person unemployment hand-out of sixty quid odd a week. No wonder he wept.

      • balance_and_reason

        I liked the fact that the BBC tried to edit that bit out…it was faded…

        • Guest 1

          Even more amusing is the BBC desperately looking for ‘Right-wing extremists’ to give ‘balance’ on the Islamnutjob issue. So far the Beeb has come up with a far right picnic in Wales by a miniscule group of neo-nazis.

          • rightrightright

            I saw that. Outrageous and pathetic reportage, even by BBC standards.

      • William_Brown

        Irony squared.

    • davidofkent

      Actually, they tried to leave in March and were turned back. Then they obviously read about Robert the Bruce.

    • The Bogle

      Indeed, damned if they do and damned if they don’t, and that applies in other multi-cultural contexts, e.g. stop and search and knife crimes.

    • RodPolisher

      Of course, when the police installed CCTV cameras in other areas of vibrant diversity and enrichment, Sparkbrook and Washwood Heath, Birmingham, there were howls of protest and the cameras had to be taken down.

      As many Muslims as they want should be encouraged to leave and go to Syria, Iraq, A. N. Other sh1thole on the proviso that their passports will be cancelled and they will never be allowed back. I’m sure Bashaar Al-Assad’s snipers need some practice and could do with some more targets.

    • Edward Studor

      ‘Outrage abounds that the police/authorities did nothing to stop the jihadi sisters leaving the UK for their pilgrimage’

      Only in the BBC building and the Guardian offices. I can’t see any outrage anywhere else.

  • Bjorn Burlin

    I do not understand how this article first appeared in the print edition of The Spectator magazine, dated 20 June 2015 when today’s date is June 17 2015

    • post_x_it

      Are you genuinely struggling with that, or is this a wind-up?
      Ok then here’s the explanation: this is common to all weekly and monthly magazines the entire world over. They are printed and posted a couple of days ahead of the cover date. The Spectator is officially a Saturday publication, but is distributed on a Thursday to make sure that everyone has it by Saturday. Same as the Economist and many others. Many of the glossy monthlies would publish their July edition round about the middle of June.

      • Bjorn Burlin

        But “[t]his article first appeared in the print edition of The Spectator magazine, dated 20 June 2015” posted on June 17 2015 is just grammatically wrong. “This article will appear in the print edition of The Spectator magazine dated 20 June 2015, ” would have been more accurate and less confusing, in my opinion.

        • post_x_it

          Yeah, you might want to send a proper letter to the editor about this. Maybe raise it with the Press Complaints Commission.

    • hairy_maclary

      That’s what you managed to take from the article is it?

  • SoberReflection

    Spot on Rod! Our political masters who allowed (and continue to allow) these third world practices to be imported need a bloody good kick up the arse.

  • SNP “AJOCKALYPSE”

    Every last one of them is a murdering coward.

    The only up side is that every time one of them blows themselves up, the world gets rid of a complete w4nkr.

    • Darnell Jackson

      This is an English only thread – fcuk off

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    ‘He was just a normal Yorkshire lad’

    A definition of “normal Yorkshire lad” I was not previously familiar with.

    • Li0nhead

      Must be an age thing, don’t they blow up quickly these days.

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        Mustapha, he also has become a martyr.

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    There was this Brit featured on BBC who went to fight with the Kurds. No problem from Plod or the FO when he returned to UK. Sauce for the goose …
    Shades of the Spanish Civil War.

    • Li0nhead

      Correct, it has happened for decades.

      The Trade Unionists fighting in the Spanish Civil war…..Through to British nationals in Afghanistan in the 80s, into Kosovo etc etc.

      Most simply went there, did their thing then returned back to the Uk for their dayjobs.
      Its when we and our allies became targets that our views changed of these people.

      • red2black

        There’s a book called ‘Franco’s Friends’ that gives an interesting account of the other side of Britain’s attitude at the time of the Spanish Civil War.

    • Fraser Bailey

      I’m not advocating that we allow people to go and fight with the Kurds unchallenged, but the Kurds do at least seem to be the only rational or useful people between Austria and, say, Vietnam.

  • Mow_the_Grass

    The three Dawood sisters have gone off to syria/Iraq to become ‘bicycles’ for the caliphate.

  • Gilbert White

    Genuinely interested in the economics this family cost a million in birthing fees by the looks of it. But why look for outside financiers like some of the press is doing? Are this another example of benefit dependent enrichers?

    • Hippograd

      …this family cost a million in birthing fees…

      Are you taking into account the tendency of Pakistanis to give birth to handicapped children, thanks to their vibrant practice of marrying first cousins for generation after generation?

      • Gilbert White

        Seriously it is important the woman has been reported as having a secret banking account possibly in the sense of being secret from her loving spouse. They will not tell us the details somehow we are being impertinent to seek these answers.

    • balance_and_reason

      three mothers…9 children…hospital, housing, school, doctoring, welfare….thank you Tony.

  • Hippograd

    And let down the incomers by allowing community leaders to replicate the political, social and religious culture of Pakistan.

    And how were we supposed to stop them doing that? It would have required a police state and been seized upon by the left as proof of fascism, racism, Islamophobia, etc, etc. The best way to avoid problems with communities of vibrancy is very simple. Israel shows us the way:

    How not to have problems with communities of vibrancy © Israel 2015

    • Tellytubby

      Pull up the drawbridge! We’re full!

      We should go back to being a maritime island trading nation – reliant on the sea as both our lifeblood and our moat. It worked for a long time. Not sure why we gave up on it and joined the continent.

      • Venk

        Which period in history are you living in? Sailors were cheap when Britannia ruled the waves. ‘The experience of naval life in the 18th century has often been portrayed as one of suffering in something little more than a floating concentration camp, where an unwilling crew, raised by the press-gang, was systematically beaten, starved and terrorised into doing their duty. Meanwhile disease was ever present. This notion has undoubtedly partly arisen because of Doctor Johnson’s famous observation that going to sea was akin to being in prison, with the added danger of drowning.’

        Regards world trade, goods and services, and human cargoes could be sourced from the Empire that stretches across the globe a nd Britain had the monopoly – wake up – all those advantages are no more and Britain’s main trade today is banking, and finance – not cotton, sugar, and slaves.

        In world trading terms, there are many at it that have the advantage in terms of ships and crew and modern ships don’t need all that many crew and cost is the key. Britain is a high-cost economy and sailors today are mainly from the low-cost countries.

        Sweden, Spain, Portugal, Netherlands, US, were all sea faring nations once, no more. Time does not stand still and there is such a thing as life-cycle for everything in nature.

  • Joseph Hooker

    When people leave the country to fight for our enemies, they should not be allowed back. We need to abandon “political correctness” and get back to sane policies that promote our culture and suggest that if you are not happy with it then you should not be here. You do not go into someone else’s house and tell them you don’t like the wallpaper and they need to change it.

    • Gilbert White

      Greg Dyke did at broadcasting house and he nearly got away with it.

  • Iona Seligman

    With regard to the bradford mother’s I’m inclined not to let them back; they are adults and travelled there on their own accord in spite of their children’s safety and in deceit of their husbands’ trust and parental rights – this is kidnapping and child abuse no doubt about it. But how then do we get their children back? Is a 3 year old remotely responsible for being put on a plane to a warzone – obviously not. Nor can I hold the 15 year old to account particularly – I can’t imagine how it felt if he knew what was happening and the conflicted loyalty of running to airport security and staying with his mother and looking out for his 4 younger siblings…. not to say that he might well have been persuaded by his bats mother and aunts on the merits of a living in a warzone where he’s no doubt expected now to fight alongside uncle jihadi – if he’s very lucky they’ll prize his english skills/nationality and connections more than an extra mini-jihadi. If we can get them all back now we should – show mercy – charge them for kidnapping, conspiracy to aid and abet terrorism, keep them under watch – these children will never forgive Britain if they get back but their mothers die in Syria but if we can’t do it near immediately then there is too much of a risk to the UK to justify it and how can we? Because they are women? This is not a society that denigrates the decisions of persons on the basis of their sex. Ought the police have stopped them doing to do their religious duty by visiting medina on hajj? Not unless there was real evidence that they were posing a risk to leave for Syria with many minors in tow. In summary get a proper international intelligence force apprehending and following terror suspects who get on planes to join violent jihad – and passing that information directly to leverage for military gain against jihad, and those adults who get there undetected/suspected? Then leave them to their decisions – their war, their problem but let’s be clear if you travel to partake or abet in terrorist activity anywhere in the world you are not welcome in the UK.

  • Mongo

    In 3 weeks we’ll have the 10th anniversary of the 7 July atrocities.

    At the time I remember a lot of shock and bewilderment and furious hand-wringing – how could these young British muslims become so radicalised in the UK? Something must be done to prevent this happening again, the Powers that Be told us. We must engage more with the muslim community and find out why they hate us all.

    Ten years on and nothing has changed. In fact, the situation is even worse – largely due to unrestricted immigration, incapable/unwilling security services, and abject fear of political incorrectness/ the racism label. The Muslim communities promised they would ‘tackle’ the problem of radicalisation when in fact they are deliberately, insidiously doing the opposite. And the suckers in government believe them. Miliband even promised he would make any criticism of Islam illegal! Thank God we dodged that one – for now.

    Another 7/7 looks ever more likely, not less likely. The tolerance of the British people has been savagely abused for years and I think breaking point has almost been reached. Unless our politicians rouse themselves from their chronic inactivity and face up to some uncomfortable truths we’re heading for civil unrest on an unprecedented scale.

    • Tellytubby

      We never learn though. Or we are purposefully prevented from being able to discuss and adopt the required lessons by the propaganda of the left and the BBC.

      I mean – Enoch Powell talked about this in 1968 for goodness sakes – and what happened? He was called a racist and a Nazi.

      He said, amongst other things;

      “Here is a decent, ordinary fellow-Englishman, who in broad daylight in my own town says to me, his Member of Parliament, that the country will not be worth living in for his children. I simply do not have the right to shrug my shoulders and think about something else. What he is saying, thousands and hundreds of thousands are saying and thinking – not throughout Great Britain, perhaps, but in the areas that are already undergoing the total transformation to which there is no parallel in a thousand years of English history.”

      “We must be mad, literally mad, as a nation to be permitting the annual inflow of some 50,000 dependants, who are for the most part the material of the future growth of the immigrant descended population. It is like watching a nation busily engaged in heaping up its own funeral pyre. So insane are we that we actually permit unmarried persons to immigrate for the purpose of founding a family with spouses and fiancées whom they have never seen”

      And that was just the concern with only 50,000 immigrants.

      • William_Brown

        A man of giant intellect, shunned by the mediocre of his day. It appears that yet more proof is required before most will either decide to either wake up, or take up and leave.

        • Mongo

          if TPTB ever do ‘wake up’ it will almost certainly be too late. It may already be too late

          Unless the brakes are applied to mass immigration now, the UK’s future will be one of societal segregation and division, with wealthy enclaves fenced off and surrounded by slums and ghettos of poverty. Parts of London are already like that

          it really will be like one of those dystopian visions of the future frequently imagined by sci-fi writers

          • Dominic Stockford

            sharia watch figures out today show that in major cities and towns the % of 10-14 year old children who are muslim is now approximating 33% – 1 in every 3.

            Except those figures relate to the 2011 census – so the true % will be much higher by now.

      • eric45

        There are now 50,000 arriving in Scotland annually and 10 times that across the UK. Mad is not the word, suicidal is more apt.

        • Mongo

          you can expect far greater numbers up in Scotland now that the socialist nutters of the SNP call the shots

  • Johnny Foreigner

    Rod, I was just wondering, when it really starts to kick off in this country, just what sort of mirth filled articles will you writing then? What will be the tipping point in regards to body count and then a p*ss take becomes inappropriate?

    • rodliddle

      There’s no tipping point for me, I’m afraid.

  • red2black

    “Can you hear me, Mullah?” ‘Sandy’ Powell.

  • AverageGuyInTheStreet

    The multiracial experiment is a disaster. Its time to restore our country to its natural state.

  • Muttley

    I believe they’ve done away with the Green Belt between Bradford and Dewsbury. It’s now known as the Suicide Belt.

  • FedUpIndian

    In India, we have been enriched with the Religion of Peace for the past 1,300 years. During that time, millions of innocent Hindus, Buddhists, Jains, Sikhs and others were murdered for the “crime” of being kaffirs, millions more were enslaved, raped and taken to Baghdad, Ghazni and Samarkand, and millions were forcibly converted.

    Surely you knew all this – you were in India for 200 years – how could you not see the RoP for what it is? One of your more intelligent leaders called it “as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog.” And yet you watched passively as millions of people from this rabid culture were imported into your country by crooks like Tony Blair and Jack Straw. Now you get to subsidize your own destruction.

    A historian once said that great civilizations are not destroyed from outside until they have first destroyed themselves from within. Unless you wake up from your bacchanalia and take back your country, that will be your epitaph.

    • Shazza

      The British people were not allowed to object to this invasion. Labour introduced laws whereby telling the truth became ‘hate speech’.

      Before the EU elections a British politician was arrested and almost prosecuted for the crime of quoting Winston Churchill.

      Nick Griffin of the BNP was prosecuted for trying to highlight the problem of underage grooming/rape of White girls in Rotherham by mainly Pakistani/moslem men.

      It takes a very brave person to put their head above the parapet wall and call attention to this, the eventual destruction of civilised, secular Western culture.

      • Johnny Foreigner

        And the people will continue to vote Labour and Conservative, so let’s say a third of the country are against the destruction of their homeland and culture, the public will continue to vote in a 5yr totalitarian state, on and on. The 33% may increase to 40%, before any tipping point is reached in terms of a change of thinking or indeed of policy, but we will still be in the EU, so it won’t matter a chite, what anybody thinks, ever again.

      • FedUpIndian

        The notion that free people in a democracy can be cowed by politicians and by left-wing intellectuals is antithetical to democratic values. That needs to change or nothing will change. When will we see an English Spring when the English people take England back from your crooked politicians, left-wing extremists, race hustlers and Islamists?

        • Johnny Foreigner

          Hold on, you used the word ‘cowed’ here, so I’m going to presume your meaning (tell me if I’m wrong). The population in general has indeed been cowed by statue law (not common law, there is a huge, huge difference), enacted and supported by the Liberal Elite, also there has been countrywide media & social pressure to conform to Libtard thinking and interaction/behaviour. The bit missing from your post is the enormous influence of the teaching profession, over many, many years, have brainwashed the young.
          Any *hint* of a English Spring (as you call it), the authorities here, will stamp on it ruthlessly, totally and punitively. They will be fully supported by the Lamestream Media and even more importantly by the EU (I’m sure I don’t have to explain, the reasons why this would be the case).

          • Jay Igaboo

            All true, and all thanks to the Zionist Frankfurt School of Jewish emigres who thanked us for giving them refuge from Nazi Germany by “capturing” Western institutions and spreading the poison of Cultural Marxism.

          • Ivan Ewan

            Have you checked for Jews hiding under your bed?

          • Ποια είναι αλήθει

            I think you meant in his head

          • English_Electric

            Rabbi, please.

          • Tellytubby

            If you want to refute his theory use facts not insults. It works better. There is an arguable case that thinking and practices such as cultural marxism, inculcated in the Frankfurt school (many of the leading figures of which were Jews – that is a fact) have led to British culture changing over the years.

          • Ivan Ewan

            I usually do, but this guy’s Nazi credentials are forthcoming as readily as snot from a 6-year-old’s little button nose.

            But just for the record, Jews tend to display above-average intelligence and can therefore be expected to have a presence at the forefront of the sciences, social movements, technological industries, and media, on any ideological front. It would be a bit of a conspiracy if there weren’t any.

          • Tellytubby

            Not just intelligence but a well fostered family unit that puts emphasis on academic and professional achievement. Along with a close knit social unit, this puts their children in an excellent environment to thrive. The Jewish members of my profession (and acquaintance), and my jewish friends are almost to a person driven, intensely intelligent and are good company and good people – but more than anything they all went to excellent schools and all have parents who are professionals as well. It’s a class thing – as most things are at the end of the day.

          • Jay Igaboo

            “Jews tend to display above-average intelligence and can therefore be expected to have a presence at the forefront of the sciences, social movements”……..true, but the are the only racial group who shamelessly promote their own people, and their own interests to the detriment of others, because the know they can get away with it, thanks to the Pavlovian reflex of most non-Jews at the slightest hint of the h-word being dropped.
            Interestingly, their higher than the mean intelligence is accompanied by much higher than mean susceptibility to neuroses.

          • Ivan Ewan

            “the only racial group who shamelessly promote their own people” And that certainly isn’t true. People inevitably like to stick with their own kind, with the exception that we silly white people have been collectively reprogramming ourselves, in a vain attempt to somehow become more moral.

            Something malevolent, ever lurking in the soul of mankind, is always seeking the extermination of the Jewish people. You should be aware of what ails you.

          • Jay Igaboo

            You are either a brainwashed fool or slyly disingenuous to raise the holocaust spectre and slur.

            Possibly both.

            I know myself, and much as I dislike the prevailing character of most Jews, I’m one of the awkward sods who speak up and act against what I consider to be wrong.
            Extermination of any group of humanity is clearly wrong.

            It’s those who jump on to bandwagons that are convenient, profitable or have the approval of the majority, and who fear the shaming tactics of the rabble-rousers, that are the likeliest to herd others to their deaths.

            Like you. perhaps?

            YOU should be aware of what ails YOU.

          • Ivan Ewan

            Well, you mentioned the holocaust, not me. So you’re bringing it up.

            If you want to jump onto the 2000+ year old “blame the Joooz” bandwagon, then it’s you with blood on your hands if your chums should ever get their way.

          • English_Electric

            It’s like shooting fish in a barrel with you Hasbarats.

          • Ivan Ewan

            No, shooting fish in a barrel is when I catch you upticking a comment which advocates Nazi identification policies for Jews.

            THAT’S like shooting fish in a barrel.

          • English_Electric

            So, which method would you recommend?

          • DaveAtherton20

            Or do you have any missing shoes?

          • Jay Igaboo

            Nope. Haven’t been on J-Date for a while, mostly drek and desperate JAPS , but some not bad looking women there– oh, UNDER my bed, not IN my bed.

          • AliceS

            Been looking for footwear recently?

          • Jay Igaboo

            See reply to oddsbods above, clown.

          • AliceS

            Sorry. They told me to post.

          • If that is indeed what happened, it would not have been possible without a receptive audience. Can’t blame others for your own (I mean this in a collective sense) failings.

          • Kennybhoy

            Just. Fuck. Off.

          • Jay Igaboo

            And you.
            And your boyfriend.

          • Oddsbods

            Are you missing any shoes?

          • Jay Igaboo

            No, buy you’re obviously missing a lot of brain cells.
            Isn’t it great for retards like you to just throw out any old cliché and the mob applaud?
            You’re to stupid to realise that attitude is the seed ground for the uniformity of thought that allows Zionists, Nazis, Islamists, Commies and other totalitarians to flourish.

          • Oddsbods

            Back under your rock.

          • Jay Igaboo

            I can’t, there’s too many of your sort in permanent residence.

          • FedUpIndian

            “The bit missing from your post is the enormous influence of the teaching
            profession, over many, many years, have brainwashed the young.” JF

            I used the term “leftwing intellectuals” in my post to include teachers and university professors, many of whom have been relentless in pushing the nonsensical “we are all immigrants” theme both in the West and in India. In India, they are known as ” “eminent” historians”, with the eminent in quotes (Google for it if you don’t know the term).

          • Johnny Foreigner

            Sure. You get me on the No English Spring though?

          • FedUpIndian

            I get you but I still hope Kipling was right when he wrote “The Wrath of the Awakened Saxon.”

          • Johnny Foreigner

            I’m not going to dismiss that, never say never. It would be nice though if a groundswell of people, black, white, brown, Hindu, Christian, Jainists, Catholics, but more importantly the ones with half a brain, started to make their disapproval know a lot more on social media and forums such as this one.

          • ExamineIslam

            We have to demand right wing parties listen to us on the issue of Islam and ensure the Left never get in again. Bother your MPs and the Media as a start – http://examine-islam.org/activism/

          • akrasia

            Your top comment is bang on. Well said.
            Regarding your comment above, if you know your British history it’s always worth bearing in mind the differences between mainlanders and islanders.

          • Jay Igaboo

            Not for the first time, I encounter an Indian more versed (no pun intended) in Kipling than young Britons today.
            Several of his books were covered in my English class 50 years ago( along with grammar, just as in India today, but no longer here! 🙁
            Darn good yarns, regardless of race, and he was of course a very good chronicler of The Raj, not just of Britons in India, and not just of momentous events, but the daily fabric of Indian life.

            If you haven’t read it, I thoroughly recommend his warning re Islam from about 100 years ago, the very short story “One View Of The Question.” an imaginary letter from an imaginary Muslim envoy, Shafiz Ullah Khan, to “His Highness the Rao Sahib of Jagesur” when he was sent to London on various matters by the fictitious royal.

            Here’s “Khan” view of Parliament :
            “They are divided into two hordes—the one perpetually hurling abuse at the other, and bidding the low-born hamper and rebel against all that the other may devise for government. Except that they are unarmed, and so call each other liar, dog, and b’stard without fear, even under the shadow of the Empress’s throne, they are at bitter war which is without any end. They pit lie against lie…., ”

            Thoroughly enjoyable word- smithing, of course

            http://www.telelib.com/authors/K/KiplingRudyard/prose/ManyInventions/viewquestion.htm

          • Gilbert White

            OK but one of the greatest fighters in this cultural wilderness was Naipaul.

          • ExamineIslam

            The worst in the UK is the LSE – funded by Qatar and a hotbed of Leftie Islamist rubbish – and it seems on the media one HAS to be Muslim to get any airtime – everyone else is seen as a racist even when we are as brown as any Muslim (eg. Indian extraction as am I). Other immigrants have succeeded in the UK through hard work and integrating – Muslims will do neither and blame us for their failings. They are being paid for by Taxpayers to be unemployed and plot against us. http://examine-islam.org/islam-and-the-uk-some-facts/

          • FedUpIndian

            “everyone else is seen as a racist even when we are as brown as any Muslim (eg. Indian extraction as am I).” ExamineIslam

            It is time for people like us to stand with people from Europe and fight these sharia thumpers and jihadis. If nothing else, it will help insulate them from charges of racism flung carelessly by white cultural Marxists.

          • Shazza

            Oh well said!

          • shanganagh

            What’s ‘statue law’? Something to do with the fourth plinth in Trafalgar Square?

          • Johnny Foreigner

            Well spotted.

        • Jay Igaboo

          There will be no “British Spring” or even your English Spring until the middle classes grow the balls to care a bit less about their careers and a lot more about the futures of their children ( if they are not too damned selfish to have children)and succeeding generations, and to start opening their mouths and then taking action. Hell is in the offing for all, and it could have all have been avoided if the mids had a little more balls.

          • Ποια είναι αλήθει

            It’s f***ing freezing here in Cumbria and nearly mid summer’s day. So your right about spring, it’s more like winter

          • milford

            It’s the jet stream’s fault. Whenever El Nino happens (approx. every

          • jennybloggs

            Yes. Changes in social attitudes require leadership and this leadership often comes in the shape of lawyers. Working class people have tried to stand up for themselves but received no backing, eg the father who went to the police about the grooming of his daughter and ended up arrested by said police.

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          • Jay Igaboo

            Yes. The incident you refer to was utterly disgraceful, and a criminal dereliction of duty.

          • Roger Hudson

            The modern UK police are a shade of their former selves ( often a short fat shadow) and a classic example is as simple as the change in the oath (attestation), ‘without fear or favour” has been replaced by a load of human-rights-speak, ridiculous.
            The police shouldn’t serve politicians, society or even victims , they serve ‘The Law’ ( and not all the hundreds of new ‘offences’).

          • Jay Igaboo

            Yes Roger, they are indeed often a shot, fat shadow- I was disgusted by the complete media purblindness to this when I saw shot after shot of coppers charging effniks during the London riots.
            Behind the charge of male officers, the shot would inevitably show the fat a*se of at least one fat little WPC waddling a long way behind her male colleagues heading for the sharp end. * I also think that the usurpation of the common law by statute is a sly tyrannical offensive.
            Lord Blackstone warned against it in his classic law book 400 years ago.
            The change in oath is also a sly enabler of treason, as it makes charges of malfeasance, misfeasance and nonfeasance much harder to lay, and harder still to convict of.

          • ExamineIslam

            I’m middle class and spending all my time trying to wake people up – Please sign up to receive updates as our petition is due to launch later this summer, demanding a Royal Commission into Islam to refute the fraud that it is a peaceful religion – http://examine-islam.org/about/

          • Jay Igaboo

            I’ll read it in detail and if acceptable, sign it under my own name. Thank you for your efforts.
            I had visited both my MP, and MSP, both fat Liebore hacks, several times to protest mass immigration.
            Lies, evasions and the most easily dismissable lie of all ” I’ll never stand in the way of someone fleeing persecution”.
            When I pointed out that they had passed through umpteen Muz nations, and many other countries to get HERE, all I got was the resigned shrug of a liar without an answer.

          • ExamineIslam

            Appreciate that – lies have got to stop. Later this summer watch out for it!

          • ExamineIslam
          • E.I.Cronin

            Great work! Good luck with this project – I cant sign as am not a resident but it’s very good inspiration.

          • Bertie

            It’s educational to see that certain tactics work – the IRA eventually won. At some point it will need similar in England to drive the Moslem horde away from these shores……

          • Jay Igaboo

            I have said so for years.
            I will take you no in being proven correct, it will be hell for all, including those indoctrinated since infancy by this cult.
            BTW England is not Britain, and unless the Culturally Marxist SNP renounces their blind faith in multi-kulti, here in Scotland those who persistently try to establish Islamic dominance will have a power base on your border.
            I’d like nothing better than for history to prove me a fool, but so far, fourteen hundred years of history make that unlikely.

          • jaydeepee

            what are you suggesting? Of course, it won’t be you doing it though, will it?

          • Bertie

            I’m not suggesting anything.

            >>Of course, it won’t be you doing it though, will it?

            No, because I will be emigrating as the majority in this country have are spineless – we’ve lost control of our country,and the lack of etiquette and manners is galling.

            What will you be doing? Spot of afternoon apologism perhaps?

          • vieuxceps2

            There speaks a marxoid,blaming the bourgeoisie.Check the century, your ideas are long since outworn.

          • Jay Igaboo

            Back to your cyber-cave, troll.
            All my disqus posts are available(unlike yours) and they are replete with severe criticism of Marxism and all shades of leftist shoite.

          • vieuxceps2

            So,not a marxoid eh? Then why blame the “middle class?” Are they not the Bougeoisie de nos jours? We are all to blame ,including the “proletariat”so why accuse the middle class? England and indeed all parts of Britain are or soon will be in a quagmire of multiculti chaotic disintegration .This will resolve itself into a monocultural outpost of Islam.
            Perhaps we should ask the middle class to save us?

          • Jay Igaboo

            ” We” are not ALL to blame. I’m working class, have been all my life, and was quite content to be so, as I had no great lust for wealth or social position based on wealth.
            My working-class parents “Old” Labour until their dying day, and unaware of what Fabians and similar that used Labour as a front, were all about.
            My parents were honest, hard-working, my dad was going to be a conchie until he,my mum and my oldest brother were bombed out of Clydebank in The Blitz. He served in The RAF from 1941 till late ’45.
            They were British to the bone, class conscious but without any hatred for the middle class, or the upper class usually,
            They greatly respected anyone who had improved their lot through hard graft, and without hatred for people who expressed an opinion contrary to their own. They had faith in God, which they kept to themselves and lived their lives largely according to the Ten Commandments.
            They were not atypical of the working class of their generation, and they would be revolted at the what most have become under LibLabCon. a lumpen under-class, largely as the result of the very middle-class Frankfurt School emigres who “captured our institutions and successfully imposed Cultural Marxism in the West.
            I do not blame the mids en masse– I carried a rifle and pack for 11 years with too many of them to allege a total uniformity-but they are mostly to blame, as in the earlier decades of PC, and mass immigration, they are the ones who encouraged or acquiesced to it, the ones who sat through diversity meetings with complaint nods whilst inwardly seething.
            As for asking them to save “us”, fat chance – most have become too effete, too ashamed of manliness and tribal warrior instincts, both of which still flourish, but in a reduced manner, in the lower classes.
            I remember the words spoken about ten or more years ago before his death by the solidly middle-class George McDonald Fraser, Army infantry officer, reporter and author of many terrific books in many generes ( including the best account of a foot-soldiers war “Quartered Safe Our Here”, his account of his service AS A PRIVATE with The Borderers during the Burma Campaign.
            He was the son of a doctor, he was called up and served in the ranks, with the ranks, for about 14 months before he took a Regular Commission. with a battalion of Jocks.
            He was a damned good battle-hardened soldier, who had faced an enemy as cruel as ISIS, and beat them with rifle and bayonet.
            He was asked in a C4 (I think) programme about his life, both on and off the battlefield, ” if Britain needed such men again to save us, could the modern generation save us?”
            He replied to the complete mystification of the presenter “Look to your football hooligans” THEY will save us.
            I have the impression that you may be similarly mystified?
            Unfortunately, I also have the impression that it may be too late, as decades of feminism has shamed to many males for having the essential qualities of masculinity.

          • TrueNorthFree

            It is NEVER too late for whites to regain sovereignty in their own countries. We are definitely DOWN but we are not OUT. Whites possess the intelligence and drive to move mountains. I have great faith we can regain control in our own countries.

          • Jay Igaboo

            ” It is NEVER too late for whites to regain sovereignty in their own countries”………. It’s a minute to midnight, mate.
            I believe that tragically, the opportunity for a peaceful resolution is long gone. As to whether we will prevail, that’s a moot point.
            I attend various functions at two of my former regiments about 3-4 times a year, and the young men serving today tell me that there are very few of their peers with the right stuff around ( and after a series of wars started on lies and difficult to reconcile with the interests of native Britons, few with any patriotism, which I find quite understandable.)
            Life in elite units is enjoyable, but very hard. Young men are bigger nowadays, but generally much softer.
            Many are seriously unfit, and even the fit-ish ones are “gym queens” who can perform when they are well rested, well fed and watered, not near- frozen or parboiled, and not under great pressure. Military fitness requires the physical, psychological and spiritual ability to surmount these and to perform when you haven’t slept for days, too many miles carrying huge loads, possibly ill or injured, etc.
            Five decades of feminism shaming men for being men had given the feminazi what they wished for-many soft, neutered males.
            The irony is that sharia cares not at all for feminism.
            MY sons, I hope, will not rush to defend them.

          • TrueNorthFree

            “Five decades of feminism shaming men for being men had given the feminazi what they wished for-many soft, neutered males.
            The irony is that sharia cares not at all for feminism.”
            Again, I agree completely, but what has been done to men, especially white men, can be undone. That softness you speak of is also due to feminizing hormones in food and water, as well as obesogens (obesity triggering chemicals) found in most processed foods.
            What was done can be un-done. We can change. I have complete faith in young whites.

          • cyrusthevirus

            Have read all of the Flashman books–agree with what you say on other matters.Even as far back as the 80s it was amazing how cowed nearly all white people became when the magic word –RACISM-was used !!Have seen tough bolshie working class men look at their feet in confusion and wmipiness when this word is used.My tactic was to say –Yes it certainly is and You should stop it !

          • Jay Igaboo

            His Flashman and books about his time as an officer in a highland regiment are hilarious, but his factual “Quartered Safe Out Here” is a brilliant worm’s eye -view account of a ranker’s battle experience (his own and his section’s.)
            His history of the Borders ” The Steel Bonnets” should have been required reading for all soldiers of any rank posted to Iraq and especially Afghan, for all diplomatic staff, but most of all, for BLiar/Broon/Cameroon, the malign idiots who thought that they could turn them into Islingtonites.

          • Jay Igaboo

            And a ps. My comments, such as the one you refer to, and vieuxcep’s very civil reply broadly in agreement, have been mysteriously removed by the Mods.

          • Mark Wilson

            Jay, my parents are/were very similar. All my UK family come from the mining industry and we all grew up near Barnsley. I knew something terribly wrong had happened to ordinary working people in the mid-90s when my kids were born. There were signs all over the maternity wards in Urdu and my wife was the only woman who was married and not a Pakistani. Our bass player at the time was a hard-working unambitious cleaner living in Seacroft in Leeds and he complained that his people – the white working class – had been abandoned. I began to realise that the faux-left actually hates the white working class. As did Churchill. I am a musician and a Teddy Boy and there is no more genuine expression of working class culture than Leeds Teds.

          • Jay Igaboo

            My Mum’s Dad and two brothers were miners. She said she would let us work at anything when we left school, except go down a mine, as she had seen the deaths and injuries sustained in the local mines outside her home town.
            Yes, the champagne Lefties pander to the White working class in order to use them, but they loathe their traditional values.
            I’m no fan of Churchill either, he was a disaster for Britain in both wars, something historians are quietly beginning to explore.
            He was not very good in peacetime office either, he was prepared to sell his soul for power. For example, he was against the Jewish influences in politics, but ended up a Zionist bag-man.
            He was hugely wrong on both strategic and tactical thinking, and not just in the Dardenelles,
            Unfortunately, he had physical courage to spare, and spoke and wrote tremendously well.
            These qualities beguiled many into trusting him with the nation.

          • Jay Igaboo

            For some reason, the mods have removed my long, civil and detailed reply to you.

          • vieuxceps2

            It is still availableon Disqus. A fine and reasoned reply. Cannot understand why it’s been taken down, certainly not of my doing. Can we find out any reason?
            Anyway, from what I remember it seems we share much the same background and possibly age-group so not surprising that we are basically in agreement on this matter,except for the” Mids” as you name them.I think we’ve all been supine in this.Trouble is,I can see no solution short of physical conflict.Not a good prospect.

            Just to avoid flying under any false flag, I was not in the services although my first school was run by the military in Catterick as my father was a soldier then.There must be many of similar backgrounds but a “certain age” whose souls are saddened by what has happened to us.
            Thank you for your interesting and eminently readable comment.

          • Jay Igaboo

            Thank you for the reply and the heads-up on disqus, I’ve recovered it in case I have to post similar again.
            Sometimes mods just take stuff of mine down for no obvious reason. I find that my zero bile-laden, devoid of any profanity or potential for any libel action and scrupulously evidenced and well-reasoned criticisms of PC dogma are the most likely to be removed without trace, probably because they may influence others less direct and combative than my self.
            By genetics, background training and preference, I’m combative by nature, probably too much so.
            But it has it’s place.
            Like you, I feel that there is no likelihood that the Balkanisation of Britain will result in anything other than Balkan madness to be endured by the succeeding generations of both the unwilling hosts and the immigrants.
            The Mids I blame more because on average they have a higher IQ, and should understand more of the mechanisms of society, but sadly, most are willing to whore themselves for advancement. To a certain extent, they are slightly excused because unlike myself, who left school just before my 15th birthday, some were being “educated” i.e. brainwashed, at a tertiary level well into adulthood,
            I have most certainly not been supine, I campaigned very publicly and at great personal cost for over two decades against PC in both actions, demonstrations and heading up a campaign group.
            The campaign group was around 500 in number, got no government or corporate assistance at all because it was not PC and (deliberately) not a charity.
            About a quarter of the members were working class or lower, the others middle class.
            , My “wages” were exactly what I had expected when I set out–ridicule, venom, partiality and when that failed, outright lies from the MSM.
            Interestingly, most of our members were, if working class, tradesmen, graduates in the sciences or engineering I middle class.
            I put that down to male logic and the ability to see beyond that which you are emotionally comfortable with, and that as a craftsman, scientist or engineer, you work with that which is tangible, logical and evidenced.
            A gas fitter might want to FEEL that a union he hasn’t made sure it tight won’t leak, an aircraft designer might want to FEEL that a tinfoil wing he has designed will take 6g manoeuvres, a doctor might FEEL swallowing snake -oil will cure cancer, but their training demands that feelings are no substitute for evidenced reality when dealing with other people’s lives.
            Gases, gravity and chemistry don’t give adman about feelings.
            The educated-in-uselessness, ie the political/media class, lacking this objectivity, subjectively justify that which they proselytise.
            The result is a society flying on tinfoil wings.
            Good luck to you, Sir.

          • Jay Igaboo

            Strange things happening here with our posts disappearing then re-appearing sometimes after their disappearance is commented on.
            Just out of curiosity, why the username “vieuxceps” I,e, “old boletus edulis”?
            In my spare time used to collect a variety of wild fungi and sell them to a company who supplied restaurants. I had a had some very good locations for ceps.
            I have been collecting them for around forty years,I don’t bother much now, but it has become quite fashionable these past 15 years or so.
            There’s lots of very irresponsible literature around on the subject ( including dangerously inaccurate articles in The Tele every autumn)–be careful!

          • vieuxceps2

            Yes,the moderators (read censors) seem to be haphazard in the way they operate.
            Re my pseudonym,vieuxceps,it refers more to the wine than the fungus although I understand that the ceps is highly regareded as gourmet food.The deciding factor in my choice of name was that I have long been a member of the Campaign for an English Parliament or CEP for short and I wanted to embody this in a name . There are not too many words with CEP in them so “old mushroom ” seemed appropriate in view of my years ,my bibulous proclivities and my politics.

          • Jay Igaboo

            A, no wonder I was ignorant of it’s provenance: despite being Scottish and with 11 years Army service and a year in the Merchant Navy, both occupations and regions not being noted for abstinence, I’ve been completely teetotal my entire life.
            Does it taste like old mushrooms? If so, it must be ghastly!
            The cep is very tasty, and fresh uncooked one are delicious and safe to eat uncooked, they have a delightful nutty after-taste.
            Be careful what you wish for with your CEP.
            I voted “Yes, Yes” for the Clottish/Scottish Parliament, and it’s a fecking disastrous collection of political class numpties and nonentities, most time-serving party hacks,
            Via their Public Petitions Committee, which I have used since its creation, tt is more accessible to activists than Westminster, but like Westminster, they reject everything that is not PC.
            ( I have had proposals forwarded after debate by the PPC put out to consultation and/or forwarded to a relevant specialised parliamentary committee, but if it’s not PC, it is weaselled out of,

        • Shazza

          ‘Cowed’ is correct but add to that apathy. For the larger population, football, trash TV such as Eastenders, Corrie, X Factor etc. is of far more importance. Left wing revisionist education has deprived them of their collective identity and this view of course, is greatly promoted by the BBC.

          They won’t know what’s hit them when the tsunami, in the not too distant future arrives and sweeps away all the liberties and freedoms that they take for granted.

          • milford

            Not to mention the fact that almost everyone is staring at their Iphone screen most of the time blissfully unaware of the fate that is surely going to befall us all.

          • Stevie Mac

            It’s ironic that some people will read your comment on their iPhones.

        • mecha-rigsby

          I like this ^^^ guy.

        • Perseus Slade

          With the current democratic system the choice is:
          “Would you rather be eaten by a lion or a tiger?”
          “Would you rather be run over by a lorry or a bus?”
          The democratic system needs to be reformed.

        • Callan

          It didn’t happen after Broadwater Farm and it most certainly won’t happen all these years later when the younger population have been indoctrinated by their Marxist teachers in their comprehensive schools that white is bad and multiculturism is good. Parliament and the police have already come to that conclusion by, inter alia, the pronouncements of Scarman and McPherson. Didn’t the breast beating of Hogan Howe last week make you want to throw up? That is, civil war won’t erupt as a result of any action by the indigenous population. More likely the “English spring” will commence when the Islamists feel strong enough to take over the reigns.

          • Icebow

            ‘Take over the reigns’. Oh, very good.

        • Germainecousin

          Absolutely spot on. The beheading of a soldier should have stirred British people out onto the streets en masse but they stayed indoors and moaned instead. The Christian heritage has been dismantled and without it all people can rely on is vain near sighted politicians who will retire with big pensions and write autobiographies distancing themselves from the chaos.

        • vieuxceps2

          Add to that list the marxoids in the” educational ” system and the arts and media and of course global big business, then stand back and wonder to yourself how we can ever regain our homeland and even our history.

      • The_Missing_Think

        Hello?.. you’ve very conveniently forgot the bit about you teaming up with Labour to silence the BNP prophets with your dirty little sneers about ‘racist’, you disgusting vile hypocrite liar.

        And you’re still at it, that’s how honest you truly are: Not one molecule, nothing but lies and deceit.

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        Way to go, Nick.

      • wudyermucuss

        Bravery is what is needed now,and leadership.

      • Bertie

        Yes it was very telling that the party that first brought this to light many many years ago was the BNP. No one listened.

        And now the truth is out…anyone giving credit where it is due..of course not.

        War is coming.

        Islam will not win. Nor will the West. The victors?

        Chinese.

        And then the ROTW will truly understand how benevolent US hegemony has been since WW2.
        (Im a Brit btw – not American)

      • vieuxceps2

        I’m not brave but I have spoken out about this for many years,. Nobody listened.Perhaps at last others are hearing too. I fear they have left it very late,and in any case, we still have the original deluded traitors active amongst us.They have not yet achieved their aims but it will go hard for us all if we cannot reverse their imbecilc policies.

    • rationality

      I do not understand why there are so few calls for Blair, Straw and all the other collaborators to be tried and punished accordingly.

      Something I find odd and found very little on the internet on this is the Homelessness Act 2002. As you may have suspected the act wasnt really about helping the homeless because that would be a decent and noble thing for a government to do. No, it was all about Labour changing the rules for the waiting list for social housing to a points based system of ‘need’. And guess who benefits from that? Even in 2002 house prices were expensive so help was needed in enabling the Arab pirate colonisation. How much were we sold down the river for? As Jack Straw has shown that he is (allegedly) imminently corrupt from the expose before the GE so why wouldnt he or any of that lot take a few dirhams to allow them a step up into the housing meant for our poor, old and needy. Jail sentencing is not appropriate for these traitors.

      • The Great Cornholio

        “I do not understand why there are so few calls for Blair, Straw and all the other collaborators to be tried and punished accordingly.”

        Because they were our elected government which means that they didn’t so much do it to us as we did this to ourselves.

        We have to take responsibility now and exorcise the mechanisms for our own destruction from within our nation.

        • rationality

          I was looking at http://www.eurislam.eu last night. Its the smoking gun evidence of our betrayal. This really is a EU project and its top down across the EU. Please have a look and tell me what you think.

          The EU set this all up and have lost complete control. They are traitors.

          • The Great Cornholio

            I had a quick look at the link you sent me. Without reading further into the articles than the abstracts, it seams like a crowd of “academics” publishing vapid studies for a paycheck. I am very skeptical about the value of the social sciences at the best of times but these seam bottom of the barrel. I personally wouldn’t pay it much concern, but if you think that there is something important that I have missed I am happy to be enlightened.

            I don’t believe that the EU has engineered the current Islamism crisis as you seam to imply. I believe it is more to do with their ineptness and that of our governments. But that ineptness comes from us and our failures. Our failure in standing up for our principles of liberty, free speech, common law and egalitarianism.

            These values have brought to the west the virtues from which we have been so fortunate to benefit from, and, why blacks, Hindus, Sikhs, the Chinese, Eastern Europeans etc have been able to settle here, not without any difficulty, but with considerably more acceptance than in most civilisations in history.

            But these values have been surrendered for the morally relativistic “multiculturalism”. As such we have eroded the enlightenment project of the common good and have regressed Europe backwards towards identity politics.

            I liken Europe’s problem with Islamism to that of an opportunistic infection attacking an immunocompromised person. Islamists have succeeded because we have allowed them to. We have done this to ourselves. We need to grow a backbone and be prepared to stand for what is right.

            (Apologies if it is a bit soapbox-ranty. Rod Liddle’s article has me fired up.)

    • AJH1968

      People rarely mention the Hindu genocide (80 million +) why? Neither do they mention the origin of mathematical concepts that are claimed (wrongly in my view) by Islamic states in the middle ages. I think it is time to have an honest conversation of the effects of Islamic civilization on developed countries past and present.

      • bobo

        there’s a good, recent book on the Mughal empire: ‘Tainted Paradise’ or a similar title. Very well worth a read.

      • evad666

        Perhaps someone can confirm, Islam saved the Libraries of the Greek world selling the information to anyone who would pay.

      • ExamineIslam

        ex-Muslim M. A. Khan’s Islamic Jihad is on this terrible subject and is av. free here http://examine-islam.org/activism/books-on-islam/

    • Jay Igaboo

      An excellent post, FUI, However to include myself and many other native ethnic Britons as in “you were in India for 200 years – how could you not see the RoP for what it is” is as all encompassing as a blue-eye saying “you people”–but I get your point. I’ve always regarded Islam as dangerous and not something I want in my homeland. No offence, but I’m not, and never have been, supportive of anything more than a tiny minority of those from other nations( particularly Third World ultra-corrupt ones of a different race and culture) being allowed to settle here, and of those, only those who are clever, industrious and willing to assimilate.

      As an Indian, the horrors of Partition and other ethnic clashes (not solely confined to those between Muslims and others) should be very clear to you, and I hope that you are not offended.

      btw, apologies for my pedantry, and that it’s probably just a minor brain -fart but I laughed at ” Hindus, Buddhists, Jains, Sikhs and others were murdered for the “crime” of being “kaffirs” (sic).
      When did millions of the Bantu settle in India? 🙂

      • FedUpIndian

        “No offence, but I’m not, and never have been, supportive of anything
        more than a tiny minority of those from other nations( particularly
        Third World ultra-corrupt ones of a different race and culture) being
        allowed to settle here,” Igaboo

        None taken. You have the right to determine your own destiny just as we did when our ancestors in India fought for freedom from the British Raj. If the Indian government were to import 100 million people from Germany and Japan to India, I suspect the GNP of India would improve greatly but there would be riots in the street nevertheless – it is our country, it is the land of our ancestors, and any change needs to happen with the acquiescence of our people. You are no any different.

        And yes, I should have omitted one “f” from “kaffirs” – thanks for the correction.

        • logdon

          it is the land of our ancestors

          We are not allowed the privilege of claiming that any more.

        • Jay Igaboo

          I say, Old Boy, it’s not the pukka thing here to be civil and rational whenever race is mentioned!
          Foaming vitriol is the order of the day. Slight correction, some, indeed many of your and other pre-1949 Indians may have fought for your freedom from the Raj, but it was Ghandi’s non-violent methods that brought home the bacon.
          I think that “we” left India to hastily without having created a less inherently fractious state.
          But of course, by the turn of the 19th century, the balance sheet was in he red, due to the expense of garrisoning what was then India.
          Although, and this touches on what we seem to agree upon, India was too diverse for any agency to keep it peaceful.
          I completely understand your point about GNP vis-à-vis change.
          Unlike Clinton’s famous remark suggests, It isn’t ALL about the economy.

    • colchar

      Very well said, very well said indeed.

    • sebastian2

      A crucial perspective. Thanks for bringing it to attention. This is the Religion of Peace they don’t want you to know about. A very far cry indeed from the bland nonsense peddled in the UK and foolishly believed.

    • Ποια είναι αλήθει

      In India, How many have members of non Muslim religions killed in the name of their faiths? Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

      • Dominic Stockford

        Poke a cow with a cattle prod enough times and it will kick you back.

      • FedUpIndian

        Hindus, Buddhists, Jains, and Sikhs did not travel to other people’s countries to kill them, enslave them or forcibly convert them. Nor are there verses in the texts of these religions encouraging violence or murder against people of other religions. However, when you are faced with a violent religion that teaches its adherents that they are required to kill, subjugate or convert all people of other religions, tolerance and multiculturalism will lead to your slavery, subjugation and eventual extinction.

        It is a lesson that you will soon (re-)learn in Europe. Have you ever wondered why Muslims are overrepresented in grooming gangs in every UK city while there are hardly any Hindus, Chinese, or Sikhs in these gangs even though there are millions of immigrants from these cultures/religions in the UK? Or is it politically incorrect to even ask the question, let alone answer it?

        Smart people learn from history and from the terrible experiences of other people – unfortunately people in Europe have been so brainwashed that they seem to be incapable of learning anything even from their own experiences of the past 20-30 years.

        This is not to say we Indians are great at learning from history – Jinnah offered to take all Muslims to Pakistan if Nehru and Gandhi agreed to take all Hindus, Sikhs, and Christians to India. Our geniuses declined the offer. Today we are blessed with 180 million Muslims, while in Pakistan, Hindus and Sikhs are almost extinct after 70 years of genocide (1971), ethnic cleansing and forced conversions that our leaders turn a blind eye too – they are less than 1% of the population.

        • Ποια είναι αλήθει

          Muslims, 1970s light entertainers, and establishment figures, form the grooming gangs. Throughout the ages millions have been killed in the name of religion by all sects

          • TrueNorthFree

            “Throughout the ages millions have been killed in the name of religion by all sects”
            Perhaps, but in this thread we are talking about Muslim savagery and Muslim violence, so let’s not change the subject.

          • Ποια είναι αλήθει

            Islam is a religion. It goes without saying its intolerant and violent

          • wudyermucuss

            Implying other religions are violent.
            They are not.
            Islam is.

          • Ποια είναι αλήθει

            Try telling that to those massacred by Spannish conquistadors, those enslaved by Christian slave traders, the victims of the crusades, those burnt as witches, or those beheaded because they happened to be Protestant or Catholic in a regime ruled by the opposite sect. Coming more up to date, tell it to the victims of Irish secretarian violence or the victims of the Serb massacres at Srebrenica. Tell it the child victims of the Ugandan Lords Resistance Army. The list is almost endless.

            Islam is going through a violent murderous phase, but it is no different from the historic experience of Christianity , and other religions, and example of other faiths’ atrocities continue today. Whose to say that at some point in the future Christianity will not return to extremism.

            The evidence of the real world is it that all religions are violent. It is reasonable to suppose that this is because they are based on faith rather than reason, and those with faith tend towards intolerance. That is not the same as saying that all believers are violent. They are not, many are kind, generous, loving people. However religions as a group are not.

          • Mr B J Mann

            “Try telling that to those massacred by Spannish conquistadors, those enslaved by Christian slave traders”

            Try telling that to those massacred by prehistoric African hominids.

            And I think that those you describe as enslaved by Christian slave traders were traded by Christian slave traders.

            But actually enslaved by non Christian Africans!

          • Ποια είναι αλήθει

            True, but Christians involved in the trade. So why did Christians get involved in enslaving people and transporting them forcibly from their homes?

          • Mr B J Mann

            True.

            But why did you get involved in blaming the Christians but not the Africans?!?!?

          • Ποια είναι αλήθει

            The debate was about the violence of Islam, I made the point all religions are violent, and quoted the example of the Atlantic slave trade. The fact non Christians were also involved in that trade does not change the fact Christians were too. So if you are apportioning lame, both are guilty.

          • Mr B J Mann

            No, it’s YOU who “are apportioning lame”.

            Islam is likely more violent than Christianity (its “progressive knockers have to dredge up stuff from centuries ago, they have so little ammunition) and that atheists are more violent than Christians.

            So why are you singling out Christians?!?!?

          • Ποια είναι αλήθει

            I’m not, you are. I said ALL religions are violent. I haven’t attempted to rank them according to degree of violence. It is you that has done that.

          • Mr B J Mann

            “The evidence of the real world is it that all religions are violent. It is reasonable to suppose that this is because they are based on faith rather than reason, and those with faith tend towards intolerance.”

            So which religions were involved in Rwanda?

          • Ποια είναι αλήθει

            Right, so you found one massacre that did not involve religion, therefore no massacres involve religion. Sound logic!

          • Mr B J Mann

            Pol Pot’s killing fields?
            Bolsheviks?
            Stalin?
            Mao?
            Che and Castro?
            You know Who…….?

          • Ποια είναι αλήθει

            So because those individuals you mentioned killed millions, it’s ok for religions to do similar in God’s name! If that’s your pointI disagree.

          • Mr B J Mann

            Eh?

            !diot!

            Throughout this subthread you’ve tried to imply that violence among humans is down to religions, not humanity.

            eg:

            “The evidence of the real world is it that all religions are violent. It is reasonable to suppose that this is because they are based on faith rather than reason, and those with faith tend towards intolerance.”

            And even eg:

            “Right, so you found one massacre that did not involve religion”

            Where is your evidence that the violence associated with religions is less likely, less frequent and less violent than non religious associated violence.

          • Ποια είναι αλήθει

            Your argument because ‘A’ has committed a crime it’s ok for ‘B’ to do the same

          • Mr B J Mann

            Where, exactly, and how, precisely, have I argued anything of the sort?

            I have merely queried your tendency to repeatedly imply that vi0lence is caused by monotheistic religion in general and Christianity in particular.

            And perhaps excuse !slamic vi0lence because the Christians supposedly did it too.

            When other animals indulge in as much, if not more, vi0lence.

            As do other apes.

            As, no doubt, did prehistoric man.

            As did people of faith or faiths, or of non.

            And by far the biggest perpetrators of vi0lence were the big atheistic political movements of the 20th Century.

            But I’ve never said that that excuses any other vi0lence.

            Though you seem determined not just to excuse, but to even deny, that any but the religious commit significant amounts of vi0lence.

            In fact you appear to want (need?) to imply that religion causes vi0lence.

            But you have been unable (unwilling) to present any evidence that “religious” vi0lence occurs because of, rather than despite, the religion.

            I wonder if in different circumstances you would be rounding up everyone who disagreed with your views and having them, errrmmmm, “censored”?

            Permanently!
            By the way, I notice that, while you have made a number of totally unfounded allegations about my posts, you have not, so far, addressed a single point I’ve actually raised.

          • Ποια είναι αλήθει

            I have never claimed that religion is more or less associated with violence than it is with non religious groups, only that religion has a violent record. Unlike you I do not believe a crime by ‘A’ justifies a crime by ‘B’

          • Mr B J Mann

            Unlike you I have never claimed, suggested, implied or even hinted that a crime by ‘A’ justifies a crime by ‘B’.

            However, following your comments here gives the strong impression that you believe that religion is more associated with violence than it is with non religious groups.

            In fact your very next phrase confirms it:

            “only that religion has a violent record”!

            And in earlier posts:

            “Islam is a religion. It goes without saying its intolerant and violent”.

            “those massacred by Spannish conquistadors, those enslaved by Christian slave traders, the victims of the crusades, those burnt as witches, or those beheaded because they happened to be Protestant or Catholic in a regime ruled by the opposite sect. Coming more up to date, tell it to the victims of Irish secretarian violence or the victims of the Serb massacres at Srebrenica. Tell it the child victims of the Ugandan Lords Resistance Army. The list is almost endless.”

            And you also seem to be excusing violence, that a crime by ‘A’ justifies a crime by ‘B’, in your statement:

            “Islam is going through a violent murderous phase, but it is no different from the historic experience of Christianity, and other religions, and example of other faiths’ atrocities continue today. Whose to say that at some point in the future Christianity will not return to extremism.”

            As you conclude:

            “The evidence of the real world is it that all religions are violent. It is reasonable to suppose that this is because they are based on faith rather than reason, and those with faith tend towards intolerance. That is not the same as saying that all believers are violent. They are not, many are kind, generous, loving people. However religions as a group are not.”

            You are clearly saying that violence is down to religion.

            When, in fact, violence is down to humanity, and you refuse to even consider whether the fact that:

            “That is not the same as saying that all believers are violent. They are not, many are kind, generous, loving people.”

            Could lead to religions decreasing, rather than increasing, natural levels of human violence.

            That marks you out as prejud!ced.

            And a b!g0t!

          • Ποια είναι αλήθει

            However, following your comments here gives the strong impression that you believe that religion is more associated with violence than it is with non religious groups.

            No, that is in your head and could give a clue as to your preconceived prejudice before you entered into this exchange.

          • Mr B J Mann

            No, that’s what people like you call “projection”.

          • Edward Studor

            You forgot the ancient Egyptians and the Hittites, oh. and the Assyrians and of course the Mongols. Depending on how far back you want to go, the Babylonians were a nasty bunch as well.

          • Ποια είναι αλήθει

            You’re right on Gengis Khan. Genocide on an unprecedented scale. Made ISIS look like a children’s tea party.

          • Mr B J Mann

            “Coming more up to date, tell it to the victims of Ir!sh secretar!an v!olence or the v!ctims of the S3rb massacr3s at Srebren!ca.”

            I think you’ll find that the !RA were various s3cts of Marx!sm.

            As for Srebren!ca (the not so well known non-dem!litarised Bosn!ak garr!son town and base for Bosn!ak troops to carry out night-time atroc!ties against surrounding S3rb villages):

            After 9/11 10,000 people were reported missing.

            In the peacetime, high-tech, advanced, leading first-world city of New York.

            The final death toll?

            3,000!

            In war-torn, low-tech, backward, second (third?) world rural K0sovo the US special ambassador reported 125,000 missing as justification for NATO going in. The final figures reported missing went as high as 250,000 and even 500,000.

            The final d3ath toll?

            4,000!

            That’s S3rb and Alban!an and j!hadi. M!litary, param!ltary, pol!ce, mujahad33n, gangster and civilian. It even included Alban!an refugees bombed and strafed by NATO jets!

            But in Srebren!ca there were up to 8,000 men and boys reported missing. And that included possibly thousands of the Bosn!ak garrison, including the entire officer coprs, who were secretly withdrawn behind the main Bosniak lines, just before the “massacre”, details of whom, or even numbers of which, were never given to the Red Cross.

            And the final death toll?

            Over 8,000 men and boys?!

            How’s that work then?!!

            But what’s an even bigger mystery is how come so many of the garrison followed orders and deserted their wives and kids and left them to the supposedly not so tender mercies of the wife r-p!ng, kiddy eating, S3rb monsters?!?!?

            Or was it all NATO propaganda to keep the Saudis and their mujahedeen and jihadi mates happy?!?!

            Not to mention tin-foil hat conspiracy theories about Balkan oil pipelines and K0sovan US bases?!?!?!

          • wudyermucuss

            Islam has always been violent.
            It shows no sign of reform,indeed,it cannot reform as it declares itself perfect.
            Your comparisons are,predictably,false,either historic or do not claim to be representing a religion.

          • logdon

            Your moral equivalence like that of the media and political establishment is pretty shaky.

            We’re talking about 1400 in Rotherham alone.

        • Icebow

          Blessed with 180 million Muslims.’ There indeed is irony for you.

        • Germainecousin

          A very smart reply to someone who will use any argument rather than confront the issue at hand. I sincerely believe that if the UK is saved it will be by people like you. The natives have effectively been neutered, they think social liberal reforms are proof that they are ‘free’.

    • You don’t need to quote the historian – it’s obvious that all failing cultures, like unsuccessful people or organisations, crumble from the inside. This is not just about Britain, but the western world (and associated nations, which will fail with it or have to make their own way/find new allies).

      My own view is that it’s probably too late, and the rational, balanced, enterprising (and therefore mainly stable and wealthy) culture created by the Enlightenment might be too far gone to save; unless there is a decisive re-balancing – which shows few signs of coming. East Asia is in the ascendancy; with younger generations grounded in reality, entrepreneurial ability and logic taking the mantle from the deluded Red Guard/Great Leader bunch. In the West, we can go on avoiding reality – but not its consequences.

      All things end, and we can only try to influence the change: though I will hold fast to the values that I grew up with in a very different kind of Yorkshire.

      • E.I.Cronin

        Hi Jon, friends and I were talking about how it will only take 1 Anglosphere nation to pull off the gloveswith Islam and the others will be queuing to join in. There are small signs – Austria passed the law on foreign investment from Islamic nations. Switzerland has great potential with its Citizen Initiated Referendums that are binding. Thats the key I strongly believe. People across the board will realise both Left and Right are methodically betraying them and that a single issue, cross party push for a binding referendum on MC repeal or Immigration policy is our only chance. We have no time for defeatist thinking – this is war. Plus for goodness sake theyre only 7%. Bulgaria has 10%. India has… what 35% muzzies? It can get much much worse. We owe it to our future generations to put up a fight. I think we have just grown lazy and soft. The last generation to face down an enemy were our grandparents. We are disorganised and complacent majority facing an organised, confident and fervent minority. But I see more and more people voicing their anger and dissent. Good signs. But it’s going to take sustained effort from all of us.

      • E.I.Cronin

        Ps Denmark’s just looking good…

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    • Joe Long

      Thanks for that

      I’ve posted it under the cretinous Dan Hodges’ invitation to commit suicide

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/11686372/What-happened-in-Charleston-was-terrorism.-Its-important-that-we-say-so.html

    • Callan

      This comment, coupled with Mr. Liddle’s excellent synopsis are a breath of fresh air to the hypocrisy swirling around Parliament and the BBC in particular over the subsuming of this country and its indigenous people by the Muslim invasion. If the Russians had formulated a plan during the cold war to flood the country with aliens, immediate defensive action would have been taken. The borders would have been closed. And yet we have allowed the country to be conquered by a combination of stealth and Labour social engineering. And Parliament has passed a series of Orwellian laws to ensure that the immigrants have the “whip hand” ( to quote a great farsighted politician ) over the indigenous population. I’d better stop now in case Baroness Warsi gets all defensive and victimised.

    • WTF

      I totally agree and having a close Indian neighbor for several years who I downed many a bottle of wine with, I understand exactly where you’re coming from. I would add, at least being a minority group yourself you can ‘get away’ with spelling out the truth and facts about Islam & Muslims without being called a racist or being arrested over some trumped up hate crime by the liberal facists pimping their Islamic agenda !

    • GraveDave

      as millions of people from this rabid culture were imported into your country by crooks like Tony Blair and Jack Straw.

      No actually, I lived in Acton – one of the first settlement areas back in 1967 when they first started coming over. Tony Blair would have been in the same short pants I was in at the time. And when I was at school there were no Pakistanis or Muslims wanting to go around beheading people or blowing us up. So what else happened, other than the growth in numbers …

    • Bertie

      Unfortunately the Western world were not as “wise” as Russia – they sides with India, We sided with Pakistan.major error.

      The sooner the Kashmir question is sorted beyond a reasonable doubt the better.

    • justsomeone

      When I was in India for 200 years, I was too busy eating to pay much attention. I can’t speak for others.

    • Cornelius Bonkers

      OK, agreed. But take it back just from Islam? Any religious belief is dangerous when it escapes from the private sphere and into the public organisation of traditional ways of life, i.e., what is now called “communities”. If this describes you then turkeys and Christmas etc.,

    • Zed largo

      You’re right. But so is the article by Liddle. And look what happened when India awoke from its malaise and Ghandi led the struggle. This is likely to happen in Britain when they really begin to awake from the nightmare the establishment has allowed to happen. Ghettos filled with Muslims in a Christian land that is at war with Islamic state and other crazed Muslim cultures will not end well. For anyone!

      • Bonkim

        Not many Christians in Britain though.

        Alarmist – Britain and British people never had a monolithic and regimented/conformist/religiously bigoted culture and that was the main reason Britain was able to form and manage a worldwide Empire using very little military force. British dominance was founded on staunch individuality and enterprise – not narrow tribal or racial conformity. the Empire-builders went out many on their own, took risks, got on with whatever they found without cribbing and won the situations they were in. They became masters of negotiation.

        Such enterprise requires understanding of human nature and winning the people around and getting their cooperation/assistance. Brute force never achieves success in the long term.

        So much of this lament in these columns appear to be individual failure to understand what British values and culture really are.

        Alarmist and bigoted statements never win wars – The threats from bigoted Islam is real and one needs to think carefully and I have every confidence the political and security systems are geared up meet the threat. Idle talk does not help. Bigotry of one kind never defeats another.

    • greggf

      “Surely you knew all this – you were in India for 200 years ….”

      Well Churchill knew, but it seems Atlee took another view because his government, shortly after granting India (and Pakistan) independence in 1947, legislated The British Nationality Act of Parliament in 1948 which provides British citizenship for Commonwealth immigrants.
      These have been modified since but not repealed (that is most unlikely) and are the basic reason behind the UK’s massive immigration since WW2. Which also spawned the term multi-culturism (to explain the difficulties of integration), and allowed the EU to ride piggy-back for its “freedom of movement” principle.

      Sadly the idea that great civilizations are first destroyed from the inside seems true. Often by a series of mistakes (welfare legislation followed) which seem to become impossible to rectify and remain hostage to liberal doctrines usually of the Left.

    • Marcus

      “…And yet you watched passively as millions of people from this rabid culture were imported into your country by crooks like Tony Blair and Jack Straw”.

      Wrong, we didn’t watch passively: Blair invaded their countires, killed them in the 100,000s THEN let them in. Particularly the economically insolvent ones. It much worse than you say.

  • maraismarais

    Is this all true Rod , I take it is .
    The hounding of the indigenous people and their sport and recreation out of town centres and the police standing aside , or siding with the medieval invaders , and not a bloody word of it anywhere in the national media – least of all the BBC with all their regional channels and reporters .

  • Warpath Chav

    Getting just as bad if not worse in High Wycombe, not that the media will tell you this of course….

  • The Bogle

    In the interests of balance, a good BBC word, a comment from Conservative peer, Lady Varsi, herself a Yorkshire lass, would be timely and appropriate in this instance.

    • logdon

      Are you kidding?

  • Malcolm Stevas

    Savile Town has now replaced Luton and Slough at the top of my list of least favourite destinations.
    As for those who “wish to travel the world, do a spot of beheading and be blown up by a US airstrike,” the more the merrier, I say.

  • Speedy

    So true. Islam need to be got rid of from this country by any means necessary

  • MikeH

    Hmm, been crunching the numbers here and still can’t square the circle

    Official figures state that muslims are 5% of the population, but as Rod suggests this delightful sounding slum is at 98%. Locally one would suggest the figures are 50% plus. Then London, Luton, Oxford, Birmingham and the West Midlands up to the Northern towns and into Yorkshire with all those once great towns that were at the centre of the Industrial Revolution, now revered as Islamic White child rape central, although that title is fiercely contested nightly across the UK by the “brotherhood”.

    With all these islamic strongholds, it’s inhabitants breeding at twice the rate of our indigenous people, there must be some huge, all White, hitherto unknown conurbations somewhere in the land that are desperately holding onto the apparent 95%. That may well be the case, but we are surely running out of towns, cities and land to uphold our vast, overwhelming share of the demographic.

  • greggf

    “And let down the incomers by allowing community leaders to replicate the political, social and religious culture of Pakistan.”

    I think it’s worse than that of Pakistan, but my memory is the mid 1980s….
    But the biggie in all this Rod, is that the British taxpayer is funding most of it through welfare AND the overseas aid budget…..!

    • jeffersonian

      …just to add insult to injury. And we just roll over and take it.

  • JohnCrichton89

    Jihad is part of British culture now, the burqa/niqab is part of fashion, Halal is part of the cuisine, FGM and inbreeding are part of sex life, Sharia courts are part of the judicial system, child marriages and polygamy are part of family life……….. and this as as good as things are going to be in our (and our childrens) life times. Things are going downhill from here. Really let that sink in, things are going to get WORSE. More terror and death for us for allowing these people to live among us, all the while they blame us when tragedy strikes.

    • Not to mention what’s heading your way across the Med every day propelled — by a millionaire Ethiopian running a criminal pan-African smuggling gang — into un-seaworthy rust-buckets which are then “rescued” by the RN.

  • Fraser Bailey

    Great writing.

  • John Steadman

    Were any of these (apparent) shenanigans in Dewsbury picked up by the local press? Surely so. Anybody local out there to inform us? I can barely believe that the events behind this sort of transformation could have taken place without some sort of media hullaballoo at some sort of level at some time or other. Am I the only one who finds this all – even after so much practice – a little bewildering?

    • albert pike

      “Were any of these (apparent) shenanigans in Dewsbury picked up by the local press?”

      Good question. I’m still waiting for the outrage regarding the murder of 9 black worshipers in their church the other day by a man named ROTH. Perhaps outrage has to be used sparingly.

      When Israel attacked the USS Liberty, killing 27 and injuring 180, that bit of news only resulted in a paragraph or two hidden away on page 20 of the major newspapers.

      • Jay Igaboo

        ” I’m still waiting for the outrage regarding the murder of 9 black worshipers in their church the other day by a man named ROTH. Perhaps outrage has to be used sparingly”…….are you in jest, or have you just not accessed the media since the shooting?
        It’s a bad show, randomly slaughtering innocent folk in church(or anywhere) but there was one very significant difference in the reportage. The shooter was INSTANTLY described by both meeja as cops as White.
        Not as a “youth”.
        If it’s a Mu slime, or a Shakeil Lamaar Tyrone that commits and outrage, the name is withheld as long as possible to prevent awareness of the race of the perp, until the usual (white-only) public apathetic acceptance of a black-on white racially or and/or religiously motivated crime, which are MUCH more frequent.
        Or just crimein general, in which both the Black and Muslim coomyoonitees are disproportionally involved.
        BTW, I completely agree with you on the USS Liberty incident, which the Yankee Zionists suppressed for almost half a century,

        • albert pike

          “are you in jest, or have you just not accessed the media since the shooting?”

          I don’t think the usual outraged pundits have mentioned it on the Spectator.

          “f it’s a Mu slime, or a Shakeil Lamaar Tyrone that commits and outrage,
          the name is withheld as long as possible to prevent awareness”

          Racist and rubbish clap. No one – except for a few – knows who carried out the Ebdo attack, yet we were told it was moslem. Same for the attack on the jew supermarket, yet we were told they were both carried out by moslems.

          When Christian zionist Anders Brevik gunned down 77 , no one mentioned his religious beliefs or his lurv for Israel, and how Hitler was right to murder all those antizionist jews

      • John Steadman

        Don’t you listen to the BBC? I’ve heard nothing else but about this attack on the BBC all day long!

        • albert pike

          I was referring to the righteously outraged pundits at the spectator, who are eager to show outrage against moslems, even when they have no idea whether a moslem committed the crime or not, yet keep the fingers still when an outrage is committed by someone who may well be jewish.

          • John Steadman

            I’m afraid that I’m never going to be persuaded that by far the main source of violence and threat to national and international security is not militant – and now plainly barbaric – Islamism. And if you believe that the BBC, for example, ever lets pass unreported any alleged Israeli outrage, then I doubt that you and I ever see/hear the same programmes.

          • albert pike

            “And if you believe that the BBC,”

            The BBC has to present itself as impartial, which it why it sometimes carries stories on Israeli brutality. However, it will nearly always claim that Israel is defending itself from militants, where as, the truth is that Israel.is using violence to maintain land it has illegally occupied and calls those trying to free that land militants.

            BUT THE BBCs STANCE was not what I was talking about. What I was talking about was the Spectator’s inflatable outraged pundits, who may not only lie to support their twisted logic, but ignore or excuse atrocities carried out by zionists, when they do bother to mention them.

            “I’m afraid that I’m never going to be persuaded that by far the main source of violence”

            Who armed and trained this main source of violence?
            Who is providing them with support, be it air support, medical support, weapons support?

            Most definitely not the the Moslem countries they are terrorizing.

    • William_Brown

      The media had been advised not to comment in the interests of social cohesion, I would imagine. It’s the same approach as taken in Rotherham, Oxford, Bradford etc., regarding child sex abuse by similarly motivated groups.

      It’s happening on an industrial scale all over Europe and yet our Albert Pike (below) likes to pretend that it isn’t.

      • John Steadman

        I still can’t understand. The British media isn’t outstanding for it’s willingness to take advice.

    • StubyDu

      Try reading “The Islamic Republic of Dewsbury” written by a local publisher & editor Danny Lockwood.

      • John Steadman

        Thank you, Sir.

    • logdon

      ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF DEWSBURY Danny Lockwood.

      This book tells the story of a cultural revolution and social decay in the once-proud Yorkshire mill town of Dewsbury. Publisher and journalist Danny Lockwood has written a chronicle of more than 20 years of failed multi-culturalism. This is a no-holds-barred account of how a community has been failed on all sides by politicians, police and race industry zealots alike.

      • John Steadman

        So no secret, then? But if it was covered by the national media – dare one mention the BBC? – I certainly did not notice it. I conclude that there is simply too much fear, personal and political and professional, to pursue this sort of theme; and that we are dependant on the Liddles and Murrays to (courageously) maintain its profile.

  • Webwrights

    Rod Liddle really does have his finger on the pulse of contemporary society (“sub editors – please check this with one of the McWhirters”).

    Ross McWhirter was shot and killed by the Provisional IRA (those charmers of the Balcombe Street gang) as recently as 1975, while Norris was booted out of Guinness World Records only the other day (in 1996) and died a small matter of 11 years ago.

    • William_Brown

      Your point being?

      • Webwrights

        You canNOT be serious!

        My point being that, for a variety of reasons, “check with one of the McWhirters” was slipshod journalism. Both of them are long dead and have, anyway, been out of the records business for nearly 20 years. [I have written this very slowly, so you will be able to understand]

        I am, however, wholly untroubled by the “slightly bad taste” to which ADW refers 😉

        • William_Brown

          You’re quite the pedant aren’t you. Worse still, a pedant without a sense of humour, or sense of context…but then, that is what defines a pedant after all.

          • Webwrights

            At the turn of the last century, when George Bernard Shaw was a firebrand journalist, people would write to him with provocative opinions in the expectation of a reply which, being signed, would be valuable. GBS therefore ordered printed cards (with a facsimile autograph) which read merely: “Dear … , you are probably quite correct”. Thus strict courtesy was observed, GBS made his disdain quite clear and the antagonist was unable to profit from it.

            So, you are probably quite correct.

            I think that’s the first time that anyone has suggested that I have no sense of humour. Gosh.

        • Sean L

          It’s a joke mate – everyone knows the facts already, just as they know they won’t get blown up for asking someone the time etc etc.

        • stedman_dantes

          You absolute moron. Everybody knows that the McWhirters are long gone; the reference to them was a jokey allusion to the fact that they were the people who were deemed arbiters of records. IT WAS A JOKE. YOU IDIOT, I HATE YOU.

  • Bert

    Its the letting them back in bit that makes you puke.
    No returns should be the absolute rule coupled with immediate deportation of next of kin to the same destination. That should make them think a bit harder about their chosen path.

  • ADW

    Slightly bad taste of Rod to mention the McWhirters since Ross was murdered by the IRA. On the other hand, if we had followed what Norris argued for regarding immigration we wouldn’t be in this mess.

  • Jaysonrex

    The truth is highly inconvenient to those that are trying to defend Islam and its rather strange mentality – fit for the 8th century but certainly not for the 21st.

    Rod Liddle is, as usual, 100% right. This is quite embarrassing to those that are in love with Islam and do not accept that anyone criticizes the ideology-cum-religion invented by a Bedouin named Muhammad who, among many other strange characteristics, was very much in love with little girls – the younger the better.

    Finally, if the Brits will not take the necessary steps to stop the Muslim invasion, UK will soon become an Islamic country where Christians will be a tolerated minority as long as they accept their Dhimmy position and pay for it. The basic principle is rather simple: convert, submit or be decapitated.

    • albert pike

      ” Christians will be a tolerated minority as long as they accept their Dhimmy position and pay for it.”

      Will those charges be over and above. income tax, VAT, National Insurance, pension deductions 6 for an ever distant retirement Council tax inheritance tax etc. ect. or will they be abolished, and what will we get for the money we pay?

      Historically, until the beginning of the zionist project, at least, jews have always lived, and sort refuge within moslem communities. Knowing how they feel about money, one could assume that the charges are not that high. What do you think?

      • Dominic Stockford

        Over and above, and the Jews have never sought refuge amongst Muslims.

        • albert pike

          “Jews have never sought refuge amongst Muslims.”

          Do you actually believe that or did you just think it sounded good?

          If the zionist plan was not to dispossess the Palestinians of their land, was it not their intention to seek refuge in moslem lands?

          Considering that Palestinians did originally agree to jews finding refuge in their land, what the zionists have done can, most certainly, be regarded as an evil act.

          • Dominic Stockford

            The Jews have been there since 3000bc or so. Islam only came into existence in about 900ad or so.

          • albert pike

            “The Jews have been there since 3000bc or so. Islam only came into existence in about 900ad or so.”

            So you believe that jews are some sort homogenous mass.
            God kicked the jews out of Israel for their persistent dishonesty. God told them not to come back until he gave them permission to do so. While it is true there were jews living amongst moslems and christians at the time zionism raised its ugly head, the majority, nearly all jews were living outside of Israel.

            And on a purely legal note, just because an ancestor lived somewhere, it does not mean that 2000 years later some schm*ck can come along and claim it for themselves.

          • Infidelissima

            go rape your sister and behead your brother you inbred mutant

          • albert pike

            bout time you came up with a new line

          • TNT

            The Fakestinians have no land. The have poured out of neighbouring Islamic sh*tholes to cause trouble. They must not be tolerated further.

          • albert pike

            “”The Fakestinians have no land”

            If they had no land and never existed, why did Theodore Herzl find it necessary to write in his diary:

            “We
            must expropriate gently the private property on the state assigned to us. We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it employment in our country. The property owners will come over to our side. Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discretely and circumspectly. Let the owners of the immoveable property believe that they are cheating us, selling us things for more than they are worth. But we are not
            going to sell them anything back.”
            (America And The Founding Of Israel, p.49, Righteous Victims,p. 21-22)

            Apart from the fact they were not all penniless, and had, in fact, thriving and beautiful cities, could it perhaps be that they did exist and that the only ones pouring out of “sh*t’oles” with the intention of causing trouble were the zionists, and yourself

          • TNT

            The above is nonsense, like everything you post. The Fakestinians have no land.

          • albert pike

            Are you saying that besides being a ‘see you n tea’ Herzl was deluded?

          • TNT

            It’s one man’s opinion. The Fakestinians owned very little and certainly didn’t have a civilisation there. They have zero claim to the area.

          • albert pike

            “It’s one man’s opinion.”

            It is the opinion of the man who is regarded to be the founder of the state of israel.

          • TNT

            I know who he is. He gives a nod to the wastrels who were already there, and says they should be gently moved on. Compare and contrast Syria, 2015.

          • albert pike

            “I know who he is. He gives a nod to the wastrels”

            Are you including the jews and christians living there at that time in your summing up of the situation?

            Whatever your opinion on the situation, there was an indigenous population and the founder of Israel stated in his diary that they would have to be ethnically cleansed from the region to make way to make way for the fake jews from Russia.

          • TNT

            And that really is fine. Muslims have done that EVERYWHERE they have gone. And replaced the indigenous population with stupidity, ugliness, and poverty.

          • albert pike

            I support that sort of view is popular among pedophiles and zionists

          • TNT

            And I would expect nothing less from someone who is allied to an ideology (Islam) that is so heinously deranged, it could only have been engendered by an individual who was a cross between Gary Glitter and Jeffrey Dahmer.

          • albert pike

            “Gary Glitter and Jeffrey Dahmer.”

            Both jews, i believe. Are you an antisemite?

            If you dislike Islam, how do you feel about Hinduism and its caste system?

          • TNT

            The ultimate caste system – the one with the most vicious supremacy at its core – is Islam. And you do realise that out here in the civilised world, no one worships Jeffrey Dahmer and Gary Glitter, don’t you?

          • Infidelissima

            pedophiles like your PROPHET?

            somebody once told me that there is no word for ‘irony’ in arabic

          • albert pike

            no its american, your dyslexic

          • Edward Studor

            It is a fact that Israel is the safest country in the middle-east for Arabs. Due to the fact that it’s the only civilised country in the middle-east.

          • albert pike

            “Due to the fact that it’s the only civilised country in the middle-east.”

            Civilised people do not steal from those around them. Nor do they use brutality to retain what they have stolen

          • Infidelissima

            but you mussies have stolen 58 countries, most of them from christians!!

            or do you inbred mutant actually believe that all your pits used to be previously empty and unoccupied?

  • Sean L

    Well put, as usual, but if you’re so concerned about Islamification how do you justify paying a membership subscription to the political party more than any other in thrall to the multi-culti ethos, and instrumental in bringing it about?

  • JackMak

    Another wouldn’t hurt a fly, wanted to be a doctor,’normal’ Yorkshire lad, went off on Jihad safari, which has absolutely nothing to do with Islam.
    Glad that’s cleared up.

    • justejudexultionis

      ‘Wouldn’t hurt a fly’ but would bomb the f-ing c*** out of anybody opposing his bigoted pseudo-religious death cult.

  • jpt4w

    Spot on as usual. Keep up the good work before they close you down…

  • Dominic Stockford

    The problem IS islam.

  • Suleiman

    David Cameron has now said, or reported to have said, that the Islamic community in Britain is giving too much tacit comfort or even support to jihadists.

    I have been trying to say that in posts during the last 2 years – but tens and tens of my comments to exactly the same effect have been completely censored and wiped out by newspapers, especially by Daily Mail, which would hardly let me mention words like “Islam” or “Arabs”. Even when I have written in support of an article in the paper making almost the same point, they would still refuse to accept it. So Guardian is not alone in this cover-up or whitewash – in fact many times it is surprisingly open, even Spectator can learn from it sometimes.

    But look at a new case of cover-up. I talk here President Obama. The man said about the last shooting that in no other country in the advanced world attacks like that happen. What a vicious untruth from this man, whose aim was to become the hero of the Sunni world. I do not go back to the extensive 1947 pogroms in the Jews in Britain, with the police accused of just standing by in many cases (admittedly, no one was murdered). What about the shootings or bombings of Jews in France, Belgium, Denmark, Bulgaria, Turkey, Tunisia ? (or are these not “advanced” enough for Mr President ?). In fact, the attacks on Jews are much more than the attacks on blacks in USA, because Jews are a tiny percentage of the population in each country (well well under 1%), while blacks are a fairly high percentage in USA. I don’t dare mention the persistent attacks on Israeli civilians in Israel : people will say that it is not the same. Ok, but I do not forget the attacks on Jews in Europe, which President Obama loves to forget.

    • Mr B J Mann

      “The man said about the last shooting that in no other country in the advanced world attacks like that happen”

      Well, in a sense, he’s right.

      In Rwanda they k!lled 800,000 people in three months.

      That’s three times the k!ll rate of the H0locaust.

      Using nothing but an assortment of kitchen utensils and garden implements, plus a few sharpened sticks.

      Incidentally, according to the Guardian, Rwanda is as close to the bottom of the g-n ownership league tables as the US is to the top!

      And in Mexico, despite strict g-n controls (on the law abiding) they have six times, is it, the sh00ting rate of the US.

      But they’re hardly advanced either, despite g-n controls, are they?!?!

      • Suleiman

        To commit the Rwandan massacres you needed a big chunk of the population to plan it in advance and commit it. Arguably, the Mexico killings are being committed by big groups. Attacks against Jews in Europe and against blacks in USA are being done even just by a lone murderer.

        • RandsWrath

          A white is 200 times more likely to be killed by a black in the US than the reverse. Drop the ‘against blacks’ shit.

  • locomotion

    Superb article.
    Enoch Powell’s “we must be literally mad” observation was well summed up a couple of days ago on BBC Breakfast TV when they had a grinning presenter standing alongside a group of burqa-d up schoolgirls, one of whom she let introduce the next item. Our national broadcaster actually CELEBRATING the destruction of freedom and democracy and the invasion of the West by the foulest of all ideologies.
    It was the school that well-meaning idiot Michelle Obama had visited, unable to see the irony of leading a movement for female emancipation by taking a trip to a place peopled by girls who will forever be subject to the cruel, dictatorial wishes of their male “betters”.

    • Jackthesmilingblack

      Enoch Powell claimed that it was US Intelligence that murdered Lord Mountbatten and Airey Neave. The timers used for the bombs were only available to the CIA at that time.

      But never let it be said that I would disiminate malicious rumour.

      • Clive

        Enoch Powell actually believed it was ‘MI6 and their friends’ according to Simon Heffer. His information came from a Royal Ulster Constabulary officer – since Enoch Powell was a Northern Ireland MP at the time.

        Information from an RUC officer – given the machinations of MI5 at that time cf. Colin Wallace et al. – was not reliable. Enoch Powell was new to the terrain and this is an instance of his naivete.

        • Mr B J Mann

          If you think Powell was naïve about intelligence matters you need to check out his pre parliamentary career!

      • Who was by then practically a senile, demented and paranoid old man; much like what you are now save for your age, I suppose!

    • montyburns56

      What amused me was the C4 News coverage of Michelle Obama’s visit to that school in Tower Hamlets, as the voice over talked about how diverse the school was, despite the accompanying video clip showing that about 95% of the pupils were of South Asian origin!

  • jim

    But what do we do? Isn’t Rod being a little too kind to our moslem friends? He says we have ” let down the incomers by allowing community leaders to replicate the political, social and religious culture of Pakistan.” Sorry my friend. This is mainstream islam.There is no struggle for the “soul” of the religion.This is what they are. The question is : How do we protect ourselves from them? We cannot live with them. So what are we going to do now? It is obvious what we should do. It is equally obvious no one has the stomach for it.

    • Gilbert White

      Liddle knows that Muslims are some of the nicest people one could possibly meet. It is just the primitives we have let into this country with their barbarous ways.

  • Jay Igaboo

    “Savile Town, Dewsbury ” ok. I know there’s an “l” missing, and Saviile was’t Muzpak, but how appropos a name is that for the Muslim Quarter?

  • stedman_dantes

    All I would add is — whatever you do, don’t let them back in. Any of them.
    If only we’d adopted that policy about 50 years ago, but changing “don’t let them back in” for “don’t let them in”.

  • Ger

    A huge crime endured by the UK public,is the fact that a minority dictates what we are served up as news,this monopoly on peoples minds must end,has to end,why do I have to use the internet for the truth,I’m sick of being force fed bull,h,t.

  • colchar

    It is sad to see what Britain has become. Can you imagine how much worse it will be in 50 years?

    • Cincinnatus

      In 50 years all those baby Mohammads crowding the nursery wards throughout Europe today will be running Europe.

  • Ooh!MePurse!

    I’m a bit in love with Rod Liddle. Sorry, Rod.

  • The Masked Marvel

    In Savile Town, Dewsbury, right in the heart of the Muslim ghetto…

    Savile Town? Say no more.

  • John Steadman

    For what it’s worth – thanks, Rod Liddle….again.

  • GhostofJimMorisson

    But…but… Bush…BLiar……Iraq….Oil…Chomsky said so!

  • mecha-rigsby

    I’ll tell you what’s really starting to get on my t1t’s. It’s this pious, patronising raised index finger thing they all…from Pakistan to Somalia to Tower Hamlets…..seem to do in their various literature and propaganda. I do that to my cat when she chews the sofa. I suppose as a k@ffir I’m less than a house cat to these ‘people’.

  • Dogsnob

    Excellent piece Mr Liddle. (Please do something on the torching of the pubs during the ‘spontaneous’ Bradford riots – a nationally important scandal which has never been reported in any depth. I’d show you where they were gladly.)

    Anyroad, one BBC reporter yesterday – commenting on the Syria sisters – gave us a perfect example of just how far the cocooned middle-class white media platoon are blissfully unaware of the full ramifications of the multiculti UK they endlessly trumpet, and how distant their own lives are from the rising hell we are forced to witness and endure.

    She seemed astounded not so much that children had been taken into that most savage of war-zones; but that they had been taken out of school ‘during term time’! My God what are those SATs figures going to look like? Listen love, it’s the done thing in Bradford.

  • English_Independence_Movement

    Not all of Yorkshire.

  • Bradleybear

    Excellent piece Rod.

    • justejudexultionis

      And highly amusing, in a disturbing kind of a way.

    • Mongo

      If Miliband was now PM, Rod would be breaking the law by writing this piece.

      Rod is one of very few journalist with the balls to stick his head above the parapet and tell the brutal truth. I do have concerns he may become a target for some of these murderous Islamic psychopaths though….

  • justejudexultionis

    ‘He was just a normal Yorkshire lad,’ —

    Bah. Normal Lancashire lad I could understand, but Yorkshire? Never!

  • WTF

    The following is the reality of Muslims living in the UK and Cameron recently has taken a very small step towards acknowledging this.

    Group one, the smallest group of Muslims are those who have totally abandoned barbaric Islamic customs, they choose to ignore many parts of Islam draconian scriptures and as a result they have integrated into Britain like all previous ethnic groups. They’ll sometimes have a drink, eat a bacon sandwich and mix with non believers. In a sense, they are the equivalent of Catholics who ignore the Vatican rulings on birth control and abortion. They comprise less than 5% of the UK Muslim population.

    Group two has the majority of Muslims comprising around 70% of their group who obey Islamic teachings, have dropped the most extreme elements of their scriptures and although not integrated into the UK they nonetheless aren’t a real direct threat. Its a shame they haven’t adopted a British culture but they can best be compared with Orthodox Jews who similarly keep themselves to themselves. Unlike Judaism however and due to the teachings of Islam, this group will give tacit support to the next two groups by looking the other way and not standing up against terrorism, rape and other criminal acts carried out by some Muslim men.

    Group three has around 20% of Muslims who are the vocal equivalent of ISIS Jihadists and are forever demanding a Islamic state inside a western democracy. They use every trick in the book to gain advantages, they claim racism against them and persecution at a drop of a hat. They demand ALL the benefits of a welfare state BUT similarly demand (and get) special treatment such as polygamy, lower sentencing for hate crimes (if even charged) and until recently, even got away with FMG, honour killings, gang rape & racially motivated sexual grooming of underage white girls. These are the ones who have tarred all Muslims with the same brush and its the fault of (a) the authorities & government AND (b) their communities who have turned a blind eye to whats been going on. This group also gives real support to group four Muslims in logistics but are too scared to carry out acts of violence themselves.

    Group four, the smallest group are the actual terrorist and Jihadists that have been spawned within the UK for the same reasons that group three have grown to ‘represent’ the mouth piece of Islam and the Muslim communities. The authorities have looked the other way and allowed Islamic hate preachers like Anjem Chowdary to radicalize social misfits and mentally challenged individuals to do Islam bidding.

    • akrasia

      Like most demographic minorities the ‘majority’ of those muslims will keep their heads down until they see which way the wind is blowing. Understandably.
      Historically, any majority of humans within a minority group in a given ‘loyalist’ scenario are Collaborators, not Partisans.

      • WTF

        I was born in 1945 and worked in London during the IRA campaign and even lived near Woolwich where they blew up a local pub. That said, I NEVER saw any backlash against Irish families living in the UK and for one very good reason, they had integrated into the community, people knew each other well, our culture was the same and most on the ‘mainland’ cared little that they might be Catholic or not. Consequently we never viewed them as a threat.

        The same is true of Indians immigrants as I have a close Indian friend (and his family) who is as British as I am in culture and his skin color is transparent to me. Even orthodox Jews who don’t integrate aren’t a threat in the UK as I can attest to personally having met a few.

        This is also true of all other ethnic groups except for Muslims and the only factor or trait that can explain this is the teachings of Islam and its barbaric culture. The unique problem for us with the Muslim communities is that the majority refuse to integrate and also a significant minority are not only very vocal against our culture but too many want to kill us as well. Its that unique combination of isolation and hatred towards us that is only present amongst too many Muslims.

        The traits that surface time and again in Muslim communities are (a) they create ghettos, (b) they harbor radical preachers & extremists and terrorist, (c) their schools have a Islamic agenda that is divisive, (d) they demand special rights, (e) they want Sharia law, (f) some are demanding we become an Islamic state.

        I will agree that in previous centuries minority groups were targeted unfairly or viewed as collaborators without any real proof but in the past 2 decades we have more than enough proof of the Islamic agenda for the west as they are very vocal about what they want. They are not hiding anything from us, they are blazon about what they want to achieve by all means at their disposal including terrorism.

        • WFC

          I will agree that in previous centuries minority groups were targeted unfairly

          For example?

          • WTF

            There’s scores of examples such as Aborigines in Australia, Native American Indians in America, Jews in Nazi Germany, Gipsies, in fact most if not all minority groups in western Europe and their 18th century colonies did not have any rights that were afforded to the indigenous majority race.

            This is now ancient history in the west as they are afforded equal rights if not preferential treatment in many cases over the majority.

            In contrast, its Islamic states that not only discriminate against minority groups in 2015 but minority groups are banned in some cases or even removed from existence by state controlled genocide. That religion of peace certainly sets an example to the rest of the world !

          • WFC

            We were talking about Britain.

          • WTF

            Catholics were persecuted after Henry VIII broke away from papacy and we even had black slaves for a while. Is that good enough as an example ?

          • WFC

            We were also talking about “unfairly”.

            Wars between Catholics and Protestants were being waged across Europe at that time. The sort of nasty, vicious, no-holds-barred wars which you only get when they are spurred by belief, rather than reason. Protestants were being burned across Europe (including, by Bloody Mary, in this country). Catholics then were, without doubt, mortal enemies of a Protestant country/government.

            Had it been the 20th century, they would have all been interned.

            Neither black, nor any other, slaves have ever been lawfully owned under English common law. That is not to say that there were (or, indeed, are) no slaves – or, indeed, robberies or murders – but they were not sanctioned by law.

            (The oldest black communities in Britain – and they are a lot older than most people think – were founded by those who escaped the slave ships.)

          • WTF

            You’ve lost me and I’m certain most others, what the f*** is the point you’re trying to make ?

            Minorities in all countries have by and large, been persecuted or discriminated against at some point in time by the majority in the place they live. On many occasions it was due to a real and present threat as is the case with Islam today or Catholics centuries ago. There’s no much else to say.

          • WFC

            The point was that Catholics were not ostracised “unfairly”, during that period.

            Their loyalty was seen as being with an enemy of this country – as such, the response was no more (or less) “unfair” than was the internment of members of the BUF after WW2 broke out.

          • WTF

            So what you are saying is that everyone belonging to a religious group, sect or cult can be persecuted just because some of them number are a threat.

            Although I have very vocal views on how to deal with threats to society & the country I don’t subscribe to the view that just because you are of a specific colour, race or religion its OK to persecute or discriminate against them. There is a very big difference between using robust policing methods in areas where trouble is rampant and actual discrimination against a minority group.

            We have swung from one extreme to another over threats to a nation in the west. Previously we would have internment purely based on heritage and that was wrong, and now we have special hands off treatment based on being a minority group when robust policing is required.

            One day perhaps we’ll get the right balance !

        • akrasia

          Great post.
          Actually I was attempting to make an oblique point about Islam specifically.
          Whereas previous minorities in this country adapted, adopted and survived, the muslim community is obliged to declare allegiance (submit) to the greater cause. Therefore they will ultimately be faced with the choice of coercion with their own fanatics vs assimilation with us infidels. It will take a brave individual from the religion of submit to choose ‘us’ over ‘them’.

          • WTF

            I got that but I felt it worth expanding somewhat to highlight the very clear differences between the Islamic culture and every other minority or major culture around the world.

            If ever there was a clear ‘them & us’ this is it, there’s Islam and there’s the rest of us !

          • akrasia

            We are of an accord.

        • Dan O’Connor

          There is a Canadian who popped up on DT who used to run a new car dealership in Vancouver , but had to shut it down because he was not Chinese .
          The Chinese are the wealthiest group , well educated , peaceful and perfectly ” integrated ” but they are like most non-Whites tribal and will only buy cars from Chinese car dealers
          This is a perfectly normal and natural group solidarty instinct
          Whites are the only people on thé planet who play by the rules and are not allowed , even in their own homelands to form organisations , pressure groups. activist groups and student bodies to defend their own legiitimate interests
          I’d appreciate your opinion on this

          • WTF

            It is natural that ethnic groups tend to gravitate towards each other no matter what race you are and this is obviously down to language barriers than culture. That’s still true today but even if there isn’t a language barrier there will still be a tendency to deal with companies of your own culture, at least until you become better integrated in a new host country.

            My own experience when moving to Spain 12 years ago and not knowing any Spanish was to deal with English speaking traders, plumbers, electricians etc purely because they spoke English. However, over time I learned some Spanish and dealt with Spanish companies and apart from from the financial sector, I now trust Spaniards more than ex-pat Brits out to make a fats buck. In fact, they will deliver stuff like floor of wall tiles and just ask you to come in a few days later to pay for it unlike the UK culture. Of course, the financial sector globally are a bunch of pimps out to scam you whatever country you live in and for me that includes the UK, Spain and the USA.

            However, I’ve digressed somewhat and I do believe that in the UK in 2015, the white majority are the minority group when it comes to rights or fair treatment and that has only happened since some Muslims started playing the victim card aided by the liberal fascists playing their tune. Previously if a minority group tried that stunt, it was ignored or squashed but not so in today’s Sharia states like Great Britain.

            As far as that Canadian car dealership was concerned, I don’t see any overt reverse racism per se as its more likely Chinese people feeling more comfortable dealing with Chinese bartering which I’ve seen in Hong Kong during the 1980’s.

          • Dan O’Connor

            Their English is very adequate , We are speaking of second and third generation Chinese Canadians with the usual average and higher IQ levels than Whites that East Asians tend to score
            I am afraid that I must disagree that it is acceptable to be demographically dilutedand minoritised as long as it is by not by Muslisms but by Chinese , Asians , Hindus , Sikhs , Black and Mexicans / Hispanics , because all the evidence suggest they have no intention of turning their backs on there own group interests just because we do , and because as our number decline and their numbers grow , their elbows will get sharper, and any attempt by Whites to also organise to prepresent out group interests will be seen as a racial supremacist threat , so they will unite to stop it

            What many do not understand is that to be fortunate enough to live in a society in which we share and identifty with a common past , ancestry, kinship , language, mythology, custonms , legends , heroes, literature arts and song and a collective cultural psyche , is a form of precious historical / social capital which has taken centuries of blood, toil , sweat and tears to obtain
            Having the same genetics is not enough . Nationhood , Peoplehood , the family writ large , means being members of the same historical stream
            We ARE our past

          • 1664averygoodyear

            I disagree re East Asian migrants to the west. Almost all of whom – in my experience – assimilate and become indistinguishable (in all but race) from the white population. I have many East Asian friends who I would consider as English (in all but race) as me. Almost all of them don’t buy into this identity politics grievance mongering either – they’re far too intelligent and successful for that.

          • WTF

            Personally I don’t feel at all demographically diluted by Indians or Chinese generally as the contribution they have given to the UK is essentially one of cuisine rather than terrorism, sexual grooming, honour killing, FMG and Jihadism.

            Additionally ethnic minorities like Indians and Chinese tend to integrate and live individually within a UK culture rather than creating some Islamic h*** hole enclave such as Dewsbury.

  • Dan O’Connor

    Western soceties have begun to exhibit a bottomless pit of the amount of self preservation paralysis, tolerance and self-immolation they are willing to absorbe
    This is leading to what has been described as the
    ” redefining of deviancy downwards ” and our society keeps on defining deviancy downwards to accomdate ever increasing levels of it .
    This results in the normalising as inevitable of that which in far more saner times would have our native populations rioting en masse in the streets for our goverments to stop it
    Our rulers, goverments , media , and liberal intellectual caste are guilty of an unprecedented dereliction of duty and of moral cowardice and incapable of summoning the kinds of harsh and effect measures that to deal with this , because it would be an admission that it is they who have been totally responsible for not only acting as the fellow travellers of the demographic jihad that has allowed a rival and hostie alien peoples to gain a demographic beachead in the West , but have also done everythiung they can to gag, demonise , witch hunt , moral torch mob , persecute , ruin , prosecute and pathologise as suffering some form of mental abnornality, anyone who dissented
    They would rather sit back and watch their entire society and civillization being slowly and demographically hollowed out and consumed incrementally from within by one salami slice at a time , by the death of a thousand cuts , than to admit for one moment tthat they had made an enourmous blunder, because they are petrified that this will lead to their loss of their iron grip on the goverment , the media and the universtiies and on speech and thought itself

  • John Smith

    Then there is Rotherham . .

    All Labour towns

    • WFC

      Neither Labour nor Tory (Oxfordshire) can claim clean hands.

      But that is because they are merely branches of the “progressive” party.

      A multi-branded party which appears to believe that “progress” consists of introducing medieval values and practices.

      • TrueNorthFree

        But the Pakistani Muslims “enriched” those Rotherham schoolgirls with “vibrant diversity”. That is why officials refused to stop the rapes. They knew that “diversity is our strength”

      • GraveDave

        The Tories of course have their own peado scandal to sit on.

        Nice one Cyril!

        Cyril Smith spared court because he would have exposed …

        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/…/Cyril-Smith-held-paedophile-sex-party-police-told...

        16 Mar 2015 – Detective says his investigation into 29-stone Liberal MP
        was also … Cyril Smith avoided prosecution because
        other establishment paedophiles feared he …police should not be prosecuted under the Official Secrets Act if they …

        Cyril Smith was spared court because he would have exposed other high-profile child abusers says former police detective

        · Detective says his investigation
        into 29-stone Liberal MP was also blocked
        ·
        Jack Tasker said officers took ‘every scrap’
        of evidence and threatened him
        ·
        Smith was also snared by undercover police
        sting on child abuse but let off

        ·
        Police allegedly targeted London houses
        suspected of hosting sex parties

        ·
        Smith was reportedly held at property in
        Streatham but released hours later
        ·
        Officers were then ordered to hand over all
        notebooks and video footage

        ·
        Extraordinary claims made by sources in BBC
        Newsnight investigation

        ·
        Smith was outed as serial child abuser in
        Parliament by MP Simon Danczuk

        ·
        Calls for PM to lift Official Secrets Act to
        allow whistleblowers to speak out

        ·
        Theresa May today insisted police with
        evidence should come forward

        ·
        She said officers would not be prosecuted
        under the Official Secrets Act

        By JAYA NARAIN FOR THE DAILY MAIL and MARTIN ROBINSON FOR MAILONLINE

  • Dan O’Connor

    I wonder who is going to win the Absurdistan steeple chase competition

    ” …. and yes , it is still Sweden in first place , with Norway close behind but with France , Germany, Holland , and Britain all juggliing for third place .
    Italy has fallen back– but is now making up ground very rabiildly after it jetisoned some excess migrant baggage and threw it on the other riders, which may have the race stewards giving Italy a slap on the wrist for that deviation from the rules ,,
    There is a long way to go in the race yet and it is anyone’s guess as to who will have the honour of become the first country in the West to collaborate gleefully in its own conquest enslavement and ethnic cleansing in the quest for moral unimpeachability and rectitude “

    • TrueNorthFree

      All they need to do is close their borders to the invaders. Problem solved.
      If the invaders know they will not be welcomed, they will not come.

      • Albert Zbingswiki

        Not enough. Those already here need to leave too.

        • TrueNorthFree

          That’s the problem – the longer they stay and settle and form communities, the harder it will be to repatriate them to their original countries. Also, there is ZERO political will to send people back. This is why it is so crucial to stop additional invasion of illegal asylum seekers now. We need to strengthen borders and start seeing these people as invaders.

  • Dan O’Connor

    You fight the good fight Rod .
    Without honour we are nothing

  • Dan O’Connor

    The problem in Western societies , is not the existence of discrimination, xenophobia or racism
    The problem is , there isn’t any.

    • Ambientereal

      Short and incredibly right. I´m with you 😀

  • Dan O’Connor

    In our unceasing and desperate epic battle against the diseased White Left / Liberal mind , it is necessary to explain the Left / Liberals to themselves and expose the unnatural and abnormal pathology of the Left/ Liberal mind
    So we have to know things . We have to educate ourselves with counter memes and counter arguments
    This is the Absurdistan West we live in .

    In every 24 hour period , as the sun rises over Vladivostok , travels across Russiam then Europe , the UK , Ireland , and then across the Atlantic , across Canada and the USA , and the sun rises on Vladivostok again ,….we can safely calculate , that in this one single 24 hour period , that in 30 odd different White countries , about 20, 000 Whites and non-Whites, in hundreds of organisations and charities and activist groups, meet to discuss how they can help no-Whites
    But not one group of White or non White people, in any White country have ever been known to meet to discuss how they can help White people
    And it has never been known in 150 odd non-White countries for non-White groups to meet to discuss how they can help White people
    Those tiny occasional handfulls of Whites that are prepared to meet to discuss how they can help their fellow white people and their explicit interests are considered social misfits , uneducated , stupid, hate mongers and suffering from some form of mental abnormality and are treated as enemies of society and enemies of the state
    They risk losing their friends, being socially ostracised , having their careerts and livelihoods ruined , prosecuted under racially selectively enforced and discrminatory hate speech laws , and imprisonment .
    The true defnition of ” morality ” is not how you treat the stranger , the foreigner , the outlander , but how you treat your own people , your own kin
    The only real definition of morality is to be capable of recognising that which is beneficial or destrictive to your own family, relations , neighbourhood , community, tribe ethnicty, nation, cuilture civilzation and race–all those things which are nearest to you
    The well being and security and survival of one’own kind is the foremost and highest morality known to mankind and a nature ordained imperitive of the highest order
    There exists no higher one

    • 1664averygoodyear

      Great post. Although I would argue that perhaps Russia and Australia are outliers to what you’ve described, to an extent.

      • Dan O’Connor

        If we say Russia and Australia , we have to say the USA and Camada
        The problem is that the anti-White Left/ Liberal memes that now dominate our univerities and instiutions have evolved a series of arguments whcih they have tailor made to fit the unique and distinct histories of every White counrty, which they use to explain why all White people ( and only White people ) are under a moral obligation to hand over their lands to rival alien cultures and peoples

        I have often told them that rather than taking us on their merry go round of excuses , why don’t they forget all this stuff about
        ” the English / Briitish have always been a miixed mongrel race of immigrants with no sense of collective identity and just put their last argument first which is always

        ” We all come out of Africa , and we all bleed red ”

        And have done with it ,

    • TrueNorthFree

      “The true defnition of ” morality ” is not how you treat the stranger,
      the foreigner, the outlander, but how you treat your own people, your
      own kin. … The well being and security and survival of ones ‘own kind is the
      foremost and highest morality known to mankind and a nature ordained
      imperitive of the highest order. There exists no higher one”
      I totally agree and I love the way you write about white culture and white heritage! You offer something positive and something for whites to aspire to.

  • jack

    If only James O’Brien and his part of the LBC show could be moved to Dewsbury.

    People like him are the classic, arrogant, dismissive types that celebrate winning pointless arguments rather than being able to see and smell all the ‘ shite’ around us replicating exponentially.

  • FedUpIndian

    From a well-wisher in India to the English, whose civilization he has always admired:

    Do not go gentle into that good night,
    Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
    Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
    Because their words had forked no lightning they
    Do not go gentle into that good night.
    Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
    Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
    Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
    And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
    Do not go gentle into that good night.
    Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
    Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
    *******************

    You have not yet begun to fight.

    • The Great Cornholio

      Tell me about it….

    • trevor

      Oh the irony. The poem was not written by an Englishman and it most certainly was not a poem written to promote hate. Dylan Thomas, an ardent Socialist (even Marxist) was exhorting his Dad to enjoy his life on Earth even as “men at their end know dark is right.” In another poem he steadfastly rails against people who use the deaths of innocents and marks them out as culpable as those who cause them.

      There is a message here for people, including those like me, who have fewer days to live than days lived. It is a call for us to enjoy life to the maximum rather than be miserable and spread misery amongst ourselves or promote it for others.

      • Dan O’Connor

        Dylan Thomas and many other long dead White utopians didn’t live to see what we have lived to see or the coming suffering and horrors our children will inherit for centuries to come , due to the permanently adolescent 60’s baby boomer, flower power, kumba ya sentimentalisation that your post seems to be reeking with and has infected the rational centres of the collective Western mind

      • FedUpIndian

        I am quite aware of who wrote the poem, the ethnicity of the poet, and the context in which the poem was written.
        As far as “hate” (or “h8” as the cool multicultis write it), I believe love and respect should be two-way streets. In Islam, a Hindu like me is a kafir, an idolater, and a polytheist, and the Koran tells Muslims that they are to subjugate me as a dhimmi, kill me or convert me (see Koran 9:29 if you are clueless).
        This is why not one Islamic country gives equal rights to non-Muslims. The OIC has refused to recognize the UN Declaration of Human Rights because it says all human being are equal in dignity and rights – in its place, Muslim countries have the Cairo declaration that only acknowledges that people are equal in dignity, and it carefully avoids saying that all human have equal rights. In Pakistan for example, Hindus (and for that matter, Christians) are officially classified as dhimmis, and their Jim Crow Constitution prohibits us from becoming President or Prime Minister (link provided on request).
        Look, I can understand that there are people who enjoy bending over backwards in their own countries to accommodate the demands of these cultures (I find such people creepy but that’s another story), but people like you seem to want to bend over forwards to accommodate their intrusions. If this gives you the jollies, be my guest but you are a turkey voting for Thanksgiving, as the Yanks say.

        • trevor

          You may well have known who wrote the poem and the background. It remains an Irony and you chose the poem to promote hate and hatred.

          “People like you seem …..”. I made no comment on what I agree with or don’t in Islam and you have no way to know.

          Thank you for the invitation but I don’t want to be your guest. I have been the guest of my Indian, friends, who are focused on bettering their country. They are remarkably forward looking and I have no doubt they will succeed in making their country a better place for themselves and their grandchildren. Through that the whole world will be a better place.

          • Cal

            Good response trevor. Interesting to see that person continues with his self justification and projects his feelings. But from the way you wrote your response, I am guessing you are not surprised by that.

          • FedUpIndian

            I made specific points about the status of Hindus in societies ruled by sharia law, and about the refusal of Islamic countries to acknowledge that all people have equal rights. You did not refute either point.

            Let me know when you have something more than rote repetition of the talking points of the left, and we can have an intelligent conversation.

          • trevor

            I re-read my original point and follow up. You are completely right I repeat what I say. And let me repeat it again: It is an Irony and you chose this poet and this poem to promote hate and hatred.

            Let me be state something else more clearly this time: I won’t be drawn in by any of your additional comments.

  • Kasperlos

    Rod Liddle’s piece begs so many unanswered questions; questions as to why this was permitted, and why it persists. What happened to the pride of the English peoples? Yes, the very English of 1914 and 1939 who gloriously rallied to serve King and country, to defend these isles. By the millions they did. And what for: To set the stage for the ensuing generations to commit one of history’s most monumentally horrendous betrayals. Take the Magna Carta, or at least its spirit, toss it into the dustbin and usher in Sharia. To quote the late Lord Protector O. Cromwell: “I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible that you may be mistaken.” So great is the issue that it would take a book to thrash it out. Meanwhile, while Britain fractures into Saracen fiefdoms such as Dewsbury and Bradford HM Forces today are deployed thousands of kilometers to the East to defend…what? Not far from these enclaves are British Army garrisons with men and women sworn to defend the Crown parading around hapless and helpless – like aliens in their own land. While we honour the memories and sacrifices of the countless magnificent heroes of the Great War in this centenary, the British need to focus on the existential peril they have upon their doorstep today. Watch the pre-PC BBC 1964 television series The Great War. It should be made mandatory viewing in Dewsbury and Bradford.

  • Cincinnatus

    So refreshing to read the truth once in a while.

  • evad666

    Baroness Warsi suggests we need to re engage with the Muslim Community here in the UK?

    Let us consider the reality ignored by that claim:-

    1) July 7 2005 London bombing.

    2) Sept 2013 Lee Rigby

    3) June 2007 Glasgow Airport bomb

    Then we have the really insidious crimes involving 4911 underage victims of muslim sex gangs spread across 37 English towns and cities.

    Despite a great deal of time, effort and public money we still hear the bleating about multiculturalism e.g. http://www.kenanmalik.com/papers/engelsberg_mc.html and the communities which have self elected to hide from the rest of us pursuing their path of apartheid, continue with their agenda of victimhood.

    • cartimandua

      Over the past 25 years its more like 1 million victims.

  • Fruitcake

    Money is behind all politics in the UK.
    Who is financially benefitting from the mooslim invasion ?

    • AverageGuyInTheStreet

      erm… Employers benefit from the open door mass immigration policy. The number of Muslims under the last Labour govt doubled. Blaire and cronies should be hung as traitors.

  • Phyllyp Sparowe

    Religion, like racial prejudice is an evolutionary dead end. If we want to use our limited window of opportunity to get off this planet we need to snap to it. Science up people and let’s make a fork in the human evolutionary branch. Kneelers in one fork, thinkers in the other.

  • KarenMFulgham

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    • Clive

      …and I am another

      Nice talking to you…

  • Clive

    The question is, how are we going to address this problem ?

    I am all for the Rod Liddle approach of taking the p*ss but it is by itself inadequate – if helpful. It points out the facts of the situation without rancour.

    Generally speaking, I believe simple confrontation useless in arriving at an accommodation between groups holding different views. In the case of humour, perhaps it is an area where confrontation is necessary.

    Maybe it is a genuinely culturally British characteristic to say that you can laugh about almost anything which causes no personal offence – certainly anything political or social. The trick some religionists use is to say it personally offends them if you take the p*ss out of their religion and all its adjuncts.

    If a muslim took a replica of the Turin Shroud (supposing he could not get the original) and wiped his ar*e with it, then a lot of Christians would be personally ‘offended’ even though the Shroud is a fake.

    Large numbers of muslims do not share the jihadist line. Of those, some will condone it, some will not. This http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31293196 BBC poll says that 93% of British muslims believe that they should obey British laws. Of course, it’s the BBC so it will be biased but that is a very large number.

    So perhaps you need a kind of negotiation. In a way, this piece by Rod Liddle is a negotiation. It is accompanied by no cartoons of the prophet Mohammed which would have been provocative. It contains no bast*rdised quotes from the Quran which would be provocative. It is careful.

    Some would consider that unreasonable, especially given that in ‘Life of Brian’ Jesus was construed as having have said ‘Blessed are the Cheesemakers’.

    Remember, though, that ‘Life of Brian’ like ‘The Last Temptation of Christ’ caused marches and other demonstations – even provoking Father Ted to stand outside a cinema and say ‘Down with that sort of thing’.

    So on the one hand, we have mainstream Islam which I believe we have to be careful about – as we do with all religions.

    On the other had we have jihadists and their fellow travellers – a bunch of nutters who deserve everything taken from them, especially the p*ss.

    • Dan O’Connor

      So Clive, you reckon that if we use the principals of what we could call
      ” risk managment ” , which is a formuila that buisness people and corporations use to asses the risks of a buisness project or new product line flopping and waying up the potential winnings versus the potential losses , that knowing what we know about Islam , we should take the risk of allowing Muslims by birth rate, to become a large percentage of the Euiropean population and then eventually a ruling / electoral majority of Europe ?
      How long will Muslims remain peaceful ? 50 years ? 100 years ?
      200 years ? 500 years ?
      Do you believe the benefits of allowing Muslims to increase their numbers so outweigh the potentail risks and horrrors for our children and our children’s children that the risk is worth taking . ?
      Shouid we really go into that casino and place the deeds to our children’s , and our civilzation’s survival on the roulette table , in a one time only sink or swim spin of the wheel ?
      There is an alternative . It is is called ” risk minimalisation strategy ”
      And that would be clear headed thinking

      • albert pike

        “We did not inherit it from our parents, we borrowed it from our children”

        tell it to big business, which using resources as if there is no tomorrow.

    • Mr B J Mann

      “BBC poll says that 93% of British musl!ms believe that they should obey British laws.”

      But doesn’t Shar!a law say that they must l!e about obeying British laws.

      So all that that poll tells us it that only 7% of them are prepared to break Shar!a law?!?!?!

      • albert pike

        Would you describe yourself as mentally challenged Mr Mann?

        For your statement to have any value, you would have to assume that all moslems follow sharia law. That a wild step even even for an ignorant tw*t like you.

        • Mr B J Mann

          And for the survey to have any value you would have to assume that 97% of Muslims DON’T follow Sharia Law.

          AND Tell the truth in surveys.

          So what were you saying about ignorant “tw!ts”?!

          • albert pike

            “And for the survey to have any value you would have to assume that 93% of Muslims DON’T follow Sharia Law.”

            Regardless of that, for what you claim to be true 93% of moslems would have to follow sharia law. That’s a wild step even even for an ignorant tw*t like you.

          • Mr B J Mann

            Except that Sharia is intrinsic to Islam and so, by definition, 100% of Muslims follow Sharia law.

            When you next look in a mirror: don’t forget to check out what “wild steps”, “ignorant”, and “tw!ts” look like.

          • albert pike

            “Except that Sharia is intrinsic to Islam”

            No it is not. Perhaps in Saudi Arabia, but definitely not in other moslem countries.

            The fact that ISIS says it wants to implement sharia law in the areas it controls, should be enough for, even the most stupid, to realise that it didn’t exist there before they took over.

          • Mr B J Mann

            You are confusing several separate issues.

            If ISIS says it wants to implement Sharia Law in the UK that doesn’t tell us who in the UK is a Musl!m, never mind who in the UK follows Sharia.

            ISIS’s intentions tell us nothing about who follows Sharia, or what it is.

            Secondly, just because Wh!te Westerners don’t follow Biblical law, even if they are “practicing” Christians that tells us nothing about the followers of !slam.

            Most followers of !slam still see it as a way of life and a moral and legal code to live by.

            So whether a country adopts Sharia as it’s national legal system tells us nothing about the way it is followed by the Musl!ms in that country.

            Next you’ll be telling us that the Koran doesn’t exist because ISIS wants to introduce it to more countries.

            Did someone mention “most stupid”?!?!?

          • albert pike

            “Did someone mention “most stupid”?!?!?”

            Yeah. I said you were stupid. After reading your last post, perhaps insane would be more accurate

          • Infidelissima

            actually it’s you mussies and your inbreeding, that causes you to lose IQ points every few generations

            that’s why 1.6 billion of you contribute so shockingly little to humanity: you’re all inbred pedophile knuckle draggers with first cousins as parents

          • Mr B J Mann

            Ahhhhh, yes, can’t play the ball, so has to attack the Mann!

          • Mr B J Mann

            Keep it up.

  • ill-liberal

    As a ‘regular Yorkshire lad’ myself , I managed to raise a laugh due to Liddles incredible writing. It turns to tears when I return to Bradford. The street on which I was born now resembles a downtown Karachi slum and the driveway of my parents first home decorated with a scrap car. The place is a dump.

    • Fasdunkle

      ah but the street corner bulk toilet paper salesmen make the place look so cosmopolitan

    • GraveDave

      I was in Beeston a few months after the London bus bombings (I was staying in Harehills). It had became something of a local tourist attraction at the time.
      I’ve still got he pictures of the streets and mosque.

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  • Grace Ironwood

    “The delusions persist. Locals cannot understand how Savile Town has bred a suicide bomber,”
    Aren’t these in truth “delusions” ?

  • LibLabCon Loyalist

    as the Labour Party imposed, without consultation multiculturalism on England,
    people were frightened of saying ‘I think suicide bombbing or FGGM is not nice’, in case they were arrested, so it’s not surprising that we have the current problems

    • GraveDave

      True what you say about New Labour and political correctness. But would things have been so terribly different under another two terms of Tory?

      Who is responsible for mass uncontrolled immigration? – AAV

      anotherangryvoice.blogspot.com/…/mass-uncontrolled-immigration.html

      17 Aug 2013 – The corporations and rich employers benefit from the large labour surpluses created by mass uncontrolled immigration, because the increased .

      Ironically this blog comes from Yorks.

  • Fasdunkle

    Don’t forget that white flight is often assisted – once it has become clear that you are no longer welcome in the area you grew up in it becomes more and more difficult to resist the endless requests to sell your house, the knocks on the door from prospective buyers and the cash offers with no chain.

    • GraveDave

      Very true. ‘Their money is as good as anyone else’s.

  • Dan O’Connor

    I believe this suggestion I have used in a reply to the commentator ” Clive ” just below is important enough to repeat
    As with many others I have been studying the collective modus operandi of Islam and how Muslims react as a collective organism where they exist in numbers , and I have been doing so for at least ten years.
    I have been taking part in thousands of blog debates on this subject.
    One thing that I have never come across anywhere , is any attempt to frame the debate on the Muslim presence in Europe and the West in general in terms of what one could call ” risk management formula ”
    Risk management formula could be descrribed as the techique that big buisness and corporations use to asses if they should go ahead with an investment or new prroduct line by weighing up all the factors involved .
    A better term to descibe this formula is ” risk minimilisation formula ”
    The idea is to not go ahead with any investment or project unless the risks of failure are reduced to a point where it is extremely unlikely . In other words , it is never a gamble like poker or roulette or game of chance .
    The other part of the formula is that the potential winnings and rewards of succeeding must be attractive enough to bother taking the risk in the first place

    My point is that if we apply the same formula to the question of Muslim demographics and birth rate and their corresponding increase in electoral and poilitical clout in Europe , when at the tiime we take into account that Muslims in their 1400 year history have never coexisted peacefully with the infidel , and by the very DNA of Islamic culture seek to dominate, and have never created stable, prosperous , safe , egalitarian and democratic societies, what conclusions should we draw.
    Are the advantages or winnings so great , and the price of distaster so small, that we should take the gamble of allowing Muslims by way of their birth rate to eventually reach the kinds of % of critical mass of numbers that couild bring about disaster and civil war , and if when Muslims become the electoral majority and then they seek to dominate us and make the rules and take over Europe , will we be still have the option of reversing our course and cancelling the deal ?
    Silly question , isn’t it .?
    Why am I writting this ? Because a distubing number of our people, and some on debate forums are speaking as if, for some mysterious reason, that we should, on the flip of a two headed coin, put at risk the deeds to the estate , and our children’s inheritance and survival, by taking this reckless and insane gamble

    • TrueNorthFree

      Brilliant post Dan! YES – it is just sensible, isn’t it? They are a hostile, alien force in our ancestral lands. We are literally giving away our own countries and our children’s birthright to alien invaders who hate us and everything we stand for.

  • Dan O’Connor

    As it stands now, and when taking the Muslim demographic projections into account, the catastophically decilinng White birth rate , and the 1400 year repuation of Islam as a rival collective organism,, the inheritance we have handed down to our children in Euroope, could , with near certainty be described in the following manner ;

    Worst case future scenerio AD 2040 or after ; Horrific
    Best case future scenerio AD 2040 or after , Less horrific ( = humilating and dishonourable slow death of a thousand cuts )

    • albert pike

      ” the inheritance we have handed down to our children in Euroope,”

      The greed of today, exhibited by bankers, multinationals, politicians and their followers, cares not for the future of anyone’s children, other than their own, perhaps. It is they that have ensured their will be nothing to hand to our children, not some religious political philosophy.

      • Dan O’Connor

        You are correct in that the Globalist elite are the disease , and immigration is one of the symptoms

        • albert pike

          But, Dan, the globalist elite encourage and allow immigration because they know that the ignorant masses, spurred on by the media and various scum, who seem to have a strong liking for Israel, will blame all the problems of society on immigrants.

          • Infidelissima

            it’s actually th wither way around: Jews/Israel being used as the scapegoat, for all their stupidity and of course for mussies slaughtering other mussies and christians

            what else is new?

    • TrueNorthFree

      Here’s a nasty image Dan:
      Our own white grandchildren and gr-grandchildren, in our own ancestral countries, silently and submissively bowing five times a day to Mecca, their daily prayers cursing us and their heritage and ancestral culture.

  • Dan O’Connor

    I have seen some comments about some polls stastistcs that 93 % of Muslims polled say they believe they should obey Brtisih Law

    Well . it’s logical isn’t it ? I mean if millions of Muslim welfare parasites did have any bad intentions towards us you’d know about it immediatlely, because the majority would come up to you , tap you on the shoulder and say, ” Hey , I’m Islam, and we hate everything you stand for and when we become the majority we will seek to domiante you and destroy your way of life ”

    I know I would tell the trurh to the native inhabitants if I was a still a minority immigrant in a foreign country .

    They should have included a question in the poll to cover that option

    Anyway the idea that any Muslim would ever practice any form of duplicity and cunning and deceit , just because there are verses in the Koran giving divine permission to do so , doesn’t mean it could possible ever happen , er..does it ?

    And there has never been any indication that as the Muslim population grows , from 1 % , to 10 % , to 20 % , to 50 % , to 80 % that their elbows begin to get sharper and sharper .

    I don’t know how long I can keep up this sarcasm before I collapse on the floor with hysterical laughter .

    • TrueNorthFree

      The creeping Sharia dominance of our civilized Western nations makes me want to cry, not laugh!

  • GraveDave

    The bugbear is multiculturalism. That and the imbalance of tolerance to the intolerable. Now it’s gone too far to fix it. But the new anti terrorism snoop laws
    will see us all put under state scrutiny.

  • Cheddarcakes

    The problem is Muslims do not work.67.5% of Muslims in the UK can’t be bothered to work since they are too busy molesting white girls and breeding the next generation of the British wing of ISIS ; and thus they complain and get angry about their benefits not being enough to pay for their broods of 8 kids.

    These ghettoes need to be broken up and the Muslims spread around. The government needs to impose strict monitoring of these mini caliphates and their elections. Most importantly immigration from North Africa and Pakijihadistan needs to be halted.

    I have had enough. Bill Maher gets it spot on when he describes these people as part of a ‘death cult’.

  • Maid_Meena

    Yet strangely, Buckinghamshire seems to be a hot bed of British ‘white’ Islamic extremism. You don’t have to be an immigrant to be an extremist, just an idiot.

    *UK jihadist Thomas Evans was commander in al-Shabaab raid*
    British man Thomas Evans was second in command of the al-Shabaab unit he was fighting for when killed in Kenya, Kenyan police said.
    Evans, 25, from Buckinghamshire, died in a thwarted attack by the Somalian al-Qaeda linked militant group on a military base on 14 June.
    Evans, from Wooburn Green, converted to Islam in 2010, and soon after allegedly became involved with Muslim radicals in High Wycombe (Bucks).
    He travelled to Egypt in 2011, telling his family he was going to study Arabic, from where he is believed to have travelled to Somalia to enlist with Al Shabaab, where he fought under the adopted name Abu Hakim.
    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/uk-jihadist-thomas-evans-was-commander-al-shabaab-raid-say-police-1507151

    *White widow Samantha Lewthwaite commands ‘army of 200 female jihadis to carry out suicide bomb attacks’*
    The shock revelation comes as it is believed she is also behind 400 murders including the slaughter of 148 people at a university in Kenya.
    Lewthwaite allegedly works within the intelligence unit of terror group, Al-Shabaab, and instructs women to act as spies to obtain information from government troops.
    It is believed she is recruiting men, women and children to carry out suicide bomb attacks for cash as little as £300.
    A source said: “She does not carry out attacks herself as she is too important but is responsible for many, many deaths – hundreds.
    “She uses children to kill for her after giving money to their families.”
    The 31-year-old is originally from Aylesbury in Buckinghamshire.
    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/white-widow-samantha-lewthwaite-commands-army-200-female-jihadis-carry-out-suicide-bomb-1502214

    • cartimandua

      2 out of 100s. “Samantha” seems to be regrettably good at serial killing by proxy though.
      Lets hope a drone drops on her very soon.
      The Taliban used children as bomb carriers for years and years. Which always made the “outrage” over civilian deaths completely self serving and false.

    • Dan O’Connor

      ” You don’t have to be an idiot to be an extremist , just an idiot ”

      ” Hot bed of British ” white ” Islamic extremism ”

      What you are doing here is the trademark cognitive dissonance of the Left , which attacks the rational centres of the mind .

      What you are dong is suggesting that there is no observable and well established pattern of particular group behaviour eminating from or originating overwhelmingly from one particular immigrant group in the UK and Europe ,and who come from Mulism countries

      In otherwords , what you have just said , is that if we can find just one exception to the rule , ( a White jihadist ) that this means we can use it as proof that their exists no observable patterns of behaviour eminating from one particular immigrant group at all .

      I bet you suddenly drop that form of counter intuitive reasoning when it doesn’t support any of your arguments or favoured causes

      Be honourable now , and own up that I have exposed the faulty logic in your reasoning .

      • TrueNorthFree

        Good analysis. Cultural marxists often use dishonest and flawed reasoning to explain incontrovertible facts.

        • Dan O’Connor

          This is why they say that a lie can have breakfast , and travel all the way around the world and back again , while the truth is still trying to get its boots on .
          They can come out with one single cutsey sounding
          ” non discriminatory ” ” non-judgemental ” highly moral sounding platitude and we have to write reams of post and entire books to dissect it and expose it for the infantile arsenal of crass oversimplifications, pseudo science and hype that it is

          Our ” best , and our brightest ” in our universiities and therefore all of our public institutions, have become incubators of absurdities and counter intuitive nonsense and cringing intellectual cowardice, conformism and oppression .

          I have made it my prime task to evolve and spread counter mantras to expose the labrynth of their self-deceit

          • TrueNorthFree

            I find your language around our common culture and heritage and what we stand to lose as a people very powerful. That’s why i followed you!
            Regarding the cultural marxist memes, most often they use regurgitated simplistic sound bites that lack depth and substance. (very much like the simple soundbites of commercial advertising).

  • ArchiePonsonby

    And still they’re letting them in!

  • Bertie

    I think we need to ask ourselves one question – who is occupying the body of rampant Lefty Rod Liddle currently as this piece oozes political incorrectness at all levels.

    He’s spot on though with his assessment

    It’s a disgrace the establishment have betrayed vast swathes of the White working class to living alongside such barbarians.

    And it is very much the fault of the cocooned deluded, well-meaning white liberals infused with the multicultural ethos who don’t have to experience such a hell every day of lives, living as they do, in gated communities, or far wealthier suburbs

    “The
    same story as in all the areas we have allowed to become Muslim
    ghettoes: the people there now suffer the same levels of corruption and
    repression which pertained in the countries they left. Oh, and the
    grooming rings. I forgot about the grooming rings. So much that this
    culture has delivered to us — it all piles up and one simply can’t keep
    track.”

    Absofrigginglutely.

    Islam – bane of this world.

    • GraveDave

      He’s not a rampant Lefty. And being a Lefty doesn’t mean you have to be a ‘Guardianista’ as some of you put it. In any case when it comes to Muslims and black immigrants generally, the PC mantra gets wheeled out just as much from the ‘rampant Right’. So in that respect Rod is a breath of fresh air. Because Left or Right, white, black or yellow, rich or poor, in sickness or health, he holds no sacred cows whatsoever.

      • Bertie

        You misconstrue my remarks – Liddle is a lefty which makes it all the more delicious that one of their own is being so upfront about the pitfalls of Multiculturalism and the Islamic hordes living amongst us.

        Rod is a great read. Look forward to his articles each week as I know Guardianistas and other bien pensant tree hugging limp wristed liberals will be stamping their feet, jumping up and down, and engaging in some tantrum displaying. All the more delightful as its one of their own

  • Chamber Pot

    I fail to understand that our leaders can not add 2 + 2 ? It is blindingly obvious, and a statistical certainty that if you have ghettoes of Moslems that a percentage of them will be blood curdlingly bonkers. Ipso facto compulsory purchase orders are required and a closure of mosques where these nut jobs have been bred and throw in a few one way tickets on PIA back to Multan or Swat or wherever their grandparents came from plus put a cork in that windbag and toilet trading nosher Anjem Choudary ?

  • Mr_Ominous

    Muslims will never integrate. The ideology of Islam is diametrically opposed to integrating with any other culture. Islam is binary in nature. You are either part of the House of Islam (Dar al-Islam) – You are a Muslim in countries where Islam is the dominant order, or you are part of the House of War (Dar al-Harb) – Which are countries where the laws of Islam are not enforced. Jihad (divinely sanctioned holy war) is the means by which Muslims must encroach into the Dar al-Harb and make Islam the dominant order. England and other European countries are currently no where near being able to get to grips with what they are actually facing.

  • Kate HA

    Thank you Rod for a ‘straight from the shoulder’ analysis of the life-threatening plague deliberately inflicted on the majority by a treacherous self-serving few. Blair has earned millions from Muslim dictatorships; a smirking, narcissistic traitor, well rewarded for his contribution to the Muslim Brotherhood Caliphate agenda to “destroy the Western civilization from within,”

    INVITED to invade and transform large swathes of (to date) English territory into sullen, sinister ‘no-go’ Pakistani ghettos, Muslims, courtesy of their Quisling sponsors, have arrogantly presumed to impose every aspect of their religion on British society; a plethora of mosques, prayer rooms, time off work for prayer, halal meat in supermarkets and ‘hate’ preachers spreading their propaganda on the streets of major cities.

    Police, social workers and ‘carers’ in children’s’ homes have,without consequence permitted the rape and torture of thousands of vulnerable white children in those areas where Muslims reside in large numbers.

    No matter that it is anathema to Judea/Christian tradition, we have been instructed to, at all time “respect” the “Religion of Peace”. Orwell, Huxley and Bradbury were truly prophetic. British society has experienced book-burning, massacre of innocent commuters, beheading of a British soldier, classical conditioning from government and BBC; plus the repetitive degradation of their own culture and history socially, in schools and in academe.

    The English language is rejected by these people so we pay for translators; British culture and is religion despised, nonetheless they enjoy free schooling, free health service, child benefit and all ‘credits’ available to fully paid-up British citizens. We must maintain our ‘respectful’ silence while the democratic process is manipulated and corrupted (ergo Tower Hamlets, Bradford, Dewsbury, Savile Town et al); traditional institutions are infiltrated e.g. House of Lords, House of Commons, local and district councils, and worst of all, British LAW, extended and manipulated to accommodate the most violent, barbaric immigrant culture in the history of immigration to these shores.

    Never before have we been subjected to the machinations a more arrogant, demanding, entitlement obsessed and intellectually retarded immigrant demographic. World-wide they have proved they are incapable of living with each other in peace (Shia v. Sunni everywhere) never mind the indigenous population of the countries into which they travel and settle.

  • Jacobi

    good thing of the past 3/4 years is that at last we are beginning to say the obvious, that Socratic process whereby everyone gets round to saying openly what
    has been in every mind, but dare not be said, not so much for fear of being blown up, but because of the Fascist PC Brigade.

    As FedUpIndia has said of course we knew, chose to ignore, and its coming back to haunt us.

    Islam, that 7th century Pagan/ Judeo/ Christian heresy, which has ferociously
    assaulted Europe for 14 centuries has at last broken through in numbers they could not have dreamt of and is now in the process of occupying us.

    They must establish the Caliphate, but have a choice. Peaceful evangelisation, forced conversion, slaughter, rape, slavery, dhimmitude. It is all orthodox Islam and up to the individual what he prefers.

    Given the collapse of Greek/ Roman/ Christian Western Civilisation society into Hedonistic Secularism I often wonder why these young Muslims resident in
    Bradford or Saville Town, bother to blow themselves up. All they have to do is wait another 20/30 years when Islam is the main religion and political force in the UK and the rest will follow. Maybe they want to get at their 300 houris or is it six hundred for blowing yourself up, I’m not quite sure?

  • rainer ferchland

    If you believe in God ,Allah or whatever there must be a Micky Mouse somewhere up there.

    • Bonkim

      Not many do.

  • Bonkim

    Worthy of a serious report – but the language is a little off-putting. Has somebody looked at the Police inaction to enforce the rule of law?

    • Dan O’Connor

      It is not a policing problem , it is a demographic problem
      Every conflct due to an artifically created and imported culturally / historcially , racially, religiously balkanised society , is not always a policing problem, in the same way that prevention is better than a cure .
      This unfolding calamity would not have come about in the first place without mass immigration of Muslims .
      Yugoslavia was not a policing problem .

      Rule 56 : It takes the very large majority of a people in any society who are willing to obey mostly the unwritten rules to keep that society peaceful ., and the best kind of human society where that form of cooperation exists and willingness to obey the rules without beeing forced to do so, is a mono-ethnic/ racial society, because in that society one identifies with and feels a natural affinity and empathy for those one is surrounded by
      It takes only a tiny minority to create havoc in a society and a far larger number of police to control it , .
      Why is this ? It is because crime and policing is always asymmetric .
      The police cannot be everywhere but the criminal can pick an choose when he commits his crime
      This is not a policing problem because it did not exist in the 50s and 60’s until the mass immigration because this hostile alien cult was not here .

      • Bonkim

        You keep defining the problem but offering no solution or what you are doing about it.

        If you look up history anywhere – social changes arising from diversity in society, religion, economic, ethnic and cultural differences, etc, have all been part and parcel of the challenges every generation faced – Protestant/Catholic divisions as also class/economic/educational differences ran deep in British society for centuries, women got the vote just a hundred years back, child labour/exploitation diminished in the 20th century, you are assuming it was all honky dory in old Blighty – no such thing – Britain’s society faced serious challenges all through history, terrorists and anarchists had been a problem years all over Europe before immigration from Asia/Africa after WW2 and they came because there was need for labour in the expanding economy. Much of present affluence is based on the Post-WW2 technological and economic boom when the world economy got more integrated.

        Get real – society will face continuing changes and the norms of the early 20th century were far from ideal for the majority of people in Britain.

        As said, society everywhere is in flux, populations are exploding across the globe and modern/fast communications and travel will result in even more exposure to diversity and change. Adapt and change. Further more Britain is 75% dependent on the outside world for its existence – and just cannot shut itself off or will cease to exist.

        • Dan O’Connor

          ” You keep defining the problem ”

          Exactly . And you defined it incorrectly and I defined it correctly as not a policing problem.
          Do you accept that your definition was far too oversimplistic ?

          The reason you defined it as a policing problem , is because that explanation fits in with the script of your 1st year student faculty pseudo sociological expert racket .
          Because if it is is just a policing problem , that let’s you escape from having to deal with the complexties of the real world and the human condition.
          It is a childish fear of having to accept that mankind is imperfectible and that there is such a thing as human nature , and the truth that there are timeless and unchanging rules and laws that lay beyond man and outside his power to change them . Mankind is not infinitely perfectible and pliable
          Sorry if that puts you out of a job Comrade Bonkin as head Commissar of the next Revolution of the Proletariat and the Dictatorship of the Featherless Biped Masses .

          That which that runs through all of your writings has a common and familiar theme which I recognised instantly
          It is the Marxian / Bolshevik polemic that spends all its time for some reason pointing out all the West’s moral imperfections, past injustices and inequalites of the history of Western civilzation in order to make itself seem more palatable incomparison , and to present themselves as the only possible alternative and seeks to take a scythe to Western civilization , but never quite explain once they have cleared away the tree stubs , what they are going to replace it with and build upon the ruins
          I can’t help noticing that you never recite the same endless litany of the history of the social injustices , cruelties and barbarities of the non-Western world . But them the Marxians never do , do they , because they need the great oppressed victi , non-White´s and the evil Great Oppressor , the White man
          Your knowledge of human nature and human societies and what makes them work , and what is beneficial to them , and what is destructive to both collective mental health of the society at large and the mental health of the indiviidual is so naive I just don’t know where to start
          You will have to educate yourself to understand the realities of identity, of time and place and tongue , of the crucial need for humans to have a sense of belonging and of continuity and familiariity . It is these things which make us human
          It is true that we rarely question or examine these things , but that is becasue we take them for granted until we wake up perhaps one day to find ourselves due to mass immigration, haviug been ripped asunder from our communal ties and everyhting that makes us human and transformed into a mass of alienated, rootless , de-culturalised, de-ethnicised, de-genderised , de-nationalised , individuals in your great global consumer shopping mall ( MacWorld )
          There is no such thing as ” humanity ” as if the entire human race is just 7 billion indiividuals ., and any other human differences and identities , such as ethnicty , race , culture , gender, are just ” a false consciousness ” or primitive superstition The identity of an individual cannot exist in insolation from his surroundings
          The human mind cannot DO non-identity, The human race is hard wired to form into groups , communities ,clans , tribes , nations . .
          A nation is a peoples who are united by a common past and mythology , of art, and sculpltor and song.
          I have met a Frenchman , a German , an Irishman , and a Japanese , and I have talked with them ,but I have never met ” humanity ” . because it is just an iintellectual abstraction and social construct that does not exist

          • Bonkim

            I would normally dismiss you as ‘what an idiot’ and writing lengthy waffle about importance of race, religion and tribal affiliation will get you no where with your argument. Perhaps you should have joined up with that idiot boy who held a pigeon-shoot in the Charlestown Church or better still went to Syria or Iraq and had a go at your ilk that populate ISIS.

            Get real, Britain/the world is as it is. Those sensible enough to act will act with prudence to safeguard the existing civilization without sinking to extremes which will destroy whatever there is that we all hold dear and worth defending. Britain is what it is because of the long history of managing conflicts without breaking the whole. Tribalism, religion, ethnicity, culture are all parts of ones identity and will continue as long as the British system is able to manage the worst types.

            Looking back to history those who resorted to extremes without thinking have ended up in the bonfire they created. That goes to bigots – Islamic or non-Islamic.

            It is not for me to comment whether you are right or wrong – all in Britain have their freedom of expression and action as long as they don’t go beyond the law. Bigots of all hues and faiths will end up in no-man’s land sooner or later. You won’t find many in your tribe that will lament your passing.

          • Dan O’Connor

            You ARE the ” extremist ”

            HIPPY !

          • Jack Smith

            Diversity is not the result of some natural phenomenon, it is not part of some normal, organic pattern of change or movement of peoples. It is not the result of some catastrophic accident, it is the result of government policy; a deliberate and despicable act of social engineering and cultural vandalism. It is a man-made disaster that was entirely avoidable.

          • Bonkim

            Nature would have perished but for diversity. Only the pace has accelerated in recent decades because of fast communications and more contact between societies. Yes all that is disconcerting but inevitable consequence of globalised economy and business which in many ways have contributed to growing affluence and homogenisation of cultures across the globe.

            Agrarian societies made similar comments about the growth of industrial activity and newcomers from other parts of Britain and Europe creating industrial Ghettos in their once pristine villages.

            Look up victorian literature and similar themes running through about immigrants then from various parts of Europe and rest of the world, Britain was a trading nation at the heart of a worldwide Empire and attracted/still attracts capital and people from across the Globe. Without it would have been a non-entity.

            Get used to it.

          • Jack Smith

            Your attempt to dismiss what is happening as somehow normal, unavoidable and part of some great, natural pattern that has all happened before is simply dishonest. The post WW2 mass immigration to which Britain has been subjected is completely unlike anything that has ever happened before; it is unprecedented in both scale and nature. Not only that, but it has not benefitted us in any way; the vast majority of immigrants are both culturally incompatible and economically burdensome, not to mention antagonistic and dangerous, so the idea that we ‘need’ them here is manifestly absurd and we would be far better off and far safer if they weren’t here. Mass poor-world immigration has not occurred in response to industrial activity or colonial adventures. In fact, the deluge began just as many labour-intensive industries began their decline and Britain was withdrawing from the colonies. Throughout the heyday of the Empire, the country remained highly homogenous. It’s strange that our forebears were supposedly the evil, racist colonial overlords, yet the ‘oppressed’ couldn’t wait to get here. It may suit your politics to imagine that diversity is all normal and perhaps even positive, but let me assure you – you’re wrong. There is no case to be made for mass immigration and there is no reason for successive governments to have allowed it to happen at all, unless the true purpose to simply to destroy the native society.

          • Dan O’Connor

            Well said

          • Bonkim

            Understand your perspective but half way through you lose the plot. Those who emigrated to Britain did so because of strong economic pulls – same reason people had emigrated to the Americas – post WW2 economies in Europe/Britain were growing and needed people – people just don’t go unless they see prospects. Same for people from Ireland or Africa or wherever.

            The earth today is grossly overpopulated and resources running out. Looking at the masses pouring out of the conflict zones of Africa and the Middle East, the situation would steadily grow worse unless some sensible way is found to curb population.

            I do agree that cultural conflicts are inevitable where people of different faiths and cultural mindsets come into contact. Apartheid of one sort or the other prevails in all societies and race, religion, sect, economic class, etc, all operate in all societies of the world. racism and cultural segregation is not a feature just of the West – it is prevalent even more strongly in many eastern societies – the Chinese, Japanese, and Indians are much more racist and sectarian than post WW2 Britain. Even in Europe some parts are pretty backward in this respect.

            What you need to examine is Britain’s history and role and the basic values it projected particularly post WW2 – that of fairness, equality, allowing religious and cultural freedom, etc. Such values work both ways – Anti-Catholic or anti many other forms of discrimination were prevalent in Britain before immigrants from the Commonwealth came in numbers and brought their multi-cultural mix to Britain. Contrary to your assumptions many groups have assimilated within Britain and others have created self-imposed apartheid.

            Britain has been successful compared with many other societies to maintain order and avoid serious conflict. I don’t bite the assumption that more homogeneous societies are necessarily happier and conflict-free. Many such as the Japanese and Korean which are not welcoming of immigrants have huge internal problems that are not reported or understood by the outside world.

            You should seriously look at the internal conflicts that British society faced during the late 19th and early 20th centuries where stark economic/class disparities and sectarian apartheid brought about discrimination in jobs and social mixing to many sections of the population – some more pronounced than than post WW2.

            Regardless of the pros and cons of the above the real question is what idle arguments such as that we are engaged in will achieve. Those feeling strongly about these matters and having workable solutions should join the political processes open to all and see how best to resolve/overcome the threats perceived.

            One other matter – fear of crime is much more prevalent than actual crime. Venting concerns about perceived fears and blaming the past – politicians or others for the present situation real or perceived achieves little.

            Modern social media and fast communications provide instant venting of spleen such as that on blog-sites and ready judgement with little constructive solution.

            Newspapers have to sell copy and talk is cheap. Of course population can go back to mindsets that prevailed in earlier centuries and shut all dealings with the outside world – in the real world no one can control all aspects and more often than not working up antagonism about this or that perceived threats would break the existing society and corrupt its values. Civil wars take a long time to heal and Britain had many such episodes in the past. You have to take the enemy (perceived) with you if you are to win at the end. Britain has pride in the rule of law and maintained proportion in all its political moves and will prevail regardless of the fears expressed by some.

          • Jack Smith

            It is highly debateable whether the UK had a significant labour shortage in the post WW2 period, the like of which would have justified subverting our society by way of mass immigration. But for the sake of the argument if I were to accept that there were some validity to this claim, there would still be no reason whatsoever why the UK should still be allowing the influx of upwards of 650,000 immigrants per annum in the present day. I also understand fully what immigrants get out of coming here, they have been treated extremely generously by the State and lavished with all manner of benefits that they did nothing to deserve. No doubt all those letters sent home in the 50s and 60s by the earliest immigrants telling of the copious freebies available to all comers no-questions-asked encouraged many others to come and played a big part in the demographic calamity to which British people have been subjected. Native Britons have been far too welcoming and accommodating for our own good. What is in no way clear is what we natives get out of being forced to make way for immigrants. From the indigenous point of view, all of the effects of mass immigration and multiculturalism are relentlessly negative. The threats to our way of life from mass immigration are not perceived, the are entirely real. You also seem to be suggesting that there can be no cultural exchange without mass immigration and this is obviously rubbish. If you are a native Brit and mass immigration does not alarm you then you are either deluded or you’re just not paying attention.

          • Bonkim

            Looking back serves no purpose. Judging the past by today’s standards also is meaningless.

            The world is as it is today. You should think what you can do to change the situation you are not happy with.

          • Dan O’Connor

            ” Looking back serves no purpose ”

            Then if it is meaningless why do you do it by reciting endlessly the standard issue Lefty student faculty litany of all the real or imaginery sins, expoitations, social injustices of our White ancestors that we in the West , ( only the West ) have all been breast fed on since we were born ?

          • Bonkim

            Lost the plot – what are you talking about?

          • Dan O’Connor

            ” Nature would perish without diversity ”

            Yes ,, that’s why we have different races , because nature is a Darwinian eugenic experiment to produce the most succeesfull , and it did , and it is called European man , and by race mixing he will begin a process of dysgenic regression instead of eugenic improvement , and I can supply well established and irrefutable evidence to support this.
            Why are you opposed to maintaining the organically evolved cultural / ethnic / racial diversity that has taken nature and human evolution millienia to evolve ?
            Why are you promoting ideas that appear at war with the preservation of the human diversity that we have ?
            Do you bellieve that nature screwed up when it created different races ?

            In reality ” diversity ” is not a policy , or a science for you people , it is a ” religion , ” with fake higher morally sounding semnatics to camouflage your real agenda

            See, another crass pseudo expert oversimplication that your ilk specialise in because you’ve found out that you can bamboozle and mesmerise millions of naive and gulliblle victims with it . , including of course yourselves .

            You social engineering experiment Marxians and your new found 1 % er Globalist Fortune 500 crony corporate allles that donate to all your favourites causes are really obsessed with ” diversity ” aren’t you, and the reason it is because it is code for = fewer White people , which you have made clear by your drooling about the day the far more noble and virtuous and advanced and ” non-racist ” ( ha-ha ) Mexican genuises become the ruling majority in the USA .

            Another cutsey clever 6th form sounding anti-scientific mantra that is contradiction of all the reason, logic, common sense and wisdom of centuries and of long dead Whiite men, which your mob want to jetison out the window because you have hypnotised yourselves with the shining trinkets of the new , the modern , the progressive , the uturistic

          • Bonkim

            You poor deluded soul – almost feel sorry for you. Isn’t there a help-line or Racist-Anonymous help group?

          • Dan O’Connor

            ” anti-racism ” as your CultMarxian ilk well know
            Comrade Bokinstein is code for = anti-White
            Ask Comrade the Trotsky ( = alias Bronstein), because he neurolingustically weaponised it against White people

            Tell me Bonkin, what has

            ” going out and getting drunk friday night ”

            ..got to do with the rape of our Swedish women by Muslims and African colonisers in Sweden ?
            I don’t see the connection ?

            And when you become a typical Lefty apologist for it by stating that

            ” Swedish men rape Swedish women too ”

            What the hell does that have to do with the issue ?
            Why do we have to constantly spoon feed you with information that a clever chap like you should have aquainted himself with already ?
            Like the fact that Sweden has gone from having the lowest rape statitics in the world ( pre-mass immigration ) to having the third highest in the world after Botswana and South Africa and becoming the rape capital of Europe
            And what has the way that Swedish women dress have to do with it ? They dressed the same in the 60’s before mass immigration
            Why don’t you already know this , or perhaps you do and yoiu are a member of Trotsky’s ethnic tribe so you get a revenge kick out of the idea of those blond haired , blue eyed ” shikas ” being raped

          • Bonkim

            Have you been to Sweden? Do you any Swedish me and women?

            I accept people have prejudices – and anti this or that – None of us have to like or associate with any ethnic, sectarian or cultural group – no one compels you to pally about with muslims, Jews, Hindus, Catholics, Chinese or CoEs. That is what Britain is all about – accepting the individual’s freedom of lifestyle, belief and association.

            I have no problem with you disliking Indians, or Pakistanis, Somalis or Greeks, Turks and Israelis – your right – but try to be a little more intelligent in your posts and allow others to have their freedoms too. Practise stiff upper lip exercise whilst thinking clearly about options to change the world to suit you.

            The Swedish Authorities are quite capable of looking after their citizens and combating crime. Your speculating in increase of rape incidents there serves no useful purpose – all your posts serve no useful purpose. Spreading panic and alarm does not solve your cause either – learn to work through the democratic system that Britain has – and don’t get converted to panic mode which is what the enemies of Britain would very much like – and they would have won.

            The irony is that no real racist movement would have an idle rabble-rouser in their midst – you will be an embarrassment to such groups.

          • Dan O’Connor

            ” Have you been to Sweden ? Do you know any Swedish men and women ?

            Yes , I have been to Sweden several times and lived their oocasionally , and use watch dog groups to keep abreast of the increasingly insane and extremist situation in Sweden .
            It is clear by what you have written here that you are just about the only person I am come across for quite a while who is utterly divorced from developements i Sweden and the way in which the ruling elite and their media in Sweden have been openly, and unshamedly in publiic, collectively and wickedly vilifying, offending, insulting , demonising , stigmatising, intimidatiing , censoring ,and delegitmising their own native peoples. They have introduced draconian Stalinesque anti speech legislation to criminalise by law the slighest discussion of the effects of mass third worldisation of Sweden , unless framed in glowing praise
            They have changed the Swedish Ground Law constitution without an referendum to officially designate that Sweden is no longer a Swedish country and it is now classified as a
            ” settler nation ” and that it is not the job of the Immigrants to intergrate with the Swedes but the duty of the Swedes to integrate with the immigrants
            The former Swedish Prime Minister has described the Swedes as ” barbarians ” and stated that the Swedes did not builr Sweden . He has also given moral justification for the violent attacks by Antifa thugs against member of he democraticlly elected Swedish Democrat anti-immigrtation party ( Sweden’s version of UKIP ) by stating
            ” they have to expect it , because of their ideas ”

            I wonder if upon hearing this that you hope it is all true ?
            I will take no response to that question as an affimative

            ” The Swedsh authortities are quite capable of looking after their citizens and combating crime ”

            They ARE the “crime “

          • Bonkim

            With a huge landmass and population of ~ 9 Million and falling birth rates the Northern countries could take overspill from the exploding world population.

            Yes such human migration and struggles have written history all through the ages – so what is new?

            The bleak fact is that mankind will get extinct soon – the earth just cannot sustain the rates of consumption and population growth seen over the pase century or two and technological and organisational developments have contributed to the present situation. yes chaos ahead – cool heads and strong action coordinated with with all on earth needed if all is not to sink in a disorganised outburst of mindless destruction.

            Now if you are seriously interested in mankind or even your narrow tribal interests, act wisely, act with restraint and use the considerable democratic resources at hand to see how best you can help achieve your objectives.

            Sweden and Swedes can and will look after their interests.

            Sweds och Sverige kommer att ta hand om sina egna intressen . Tack.

          • Dan O’Connor

            ” mindless destruction ”

            That , is actually the term I should have used concerning the sociopathic ideology of Sweden’s champagne Bolshie ruling elite…. ” mindless destruction ”

            National / Ethnic Self preservation = “mindless destruction ”

            Right , okie-dokie, I’ve got it Comrade Bonkin , of course it
            is ,of course it is

            Sheeeeshhhh ?????

          • Bonkim

            Have you posted anything meaningful on the news-report or just wasting time picking on others’ comments and showing off?

          • Mr B J Mann

            “With a huge landmass and population of ~ 9 Million and falling birth rates the Northern countries could take overspill from the exploding world population.”

            Africa – 65 people per square mile

            World – 105 people per square mile

            Europe – 134 people per square mile

            Asia – 203 people per square mile

            England – 1,022 people per square mile

            So why do they all have to come here?!?!

          • Bonkim

            If you were a Brit you would know – if not go to Calais and do a questionnaire.

          • Mr B J Mann

            Eh?

            A survey of Calais residents (or do you mean refugees fleeing from war-torn Calais?) would explain why the world has to come to one of the most densely populated real countries (city-state micro-countries with the whole of China, or even the whole of France, as a hinterland, don’t count) in the world?!?!?

          • Mr B J Mann

            Africa – 65 people per square mile

            World – 105 people per square mile

            Europe – 134 people per square mile

            Asia – 203 people per square mile

            England – 1,022 people per square mile

            So why do they all have to come here?!?!

          • Bonkim

            Aren’t you repeating the same tune?

          • FedUpIndian

            Aren’t you?

          • Mr B J Mann

            Nope.

            That was an earlier reply to an earlier post.

            I added some additional verses in reply to another post which for some reason appeared next to this one before later posts appeared in between them.

          • TrueNorthFree

            Multiculturalism is a spectacular failure in white countries but politicians stubbornly refuse to acknowledge this. They are patiently waiting until whites are a minority in their own countries and at that point whites will no longer have the political clout (the numbers) to do anything about it.

          • TrueNorthFree

            “we wake up one day to find ourselves due to mass immigration,
            having been ripped asunder from our communal ties and everything that
            makes us human and transformed into a mass of alienated, rootless ,
            de-culturalised, de-ethnicised, de-genderised , de-nationalised ,
            individuals in your great global consumer shopping mall ”

            Brilliant stuff!
            I do not want to live in that type of bland, meaningless hellhole where I am nothing but a “commercial unit” to be controlled by the international financiers who run this planet. I have a people, I have a cultural heritage and I have a race that gives my life richness and meaning. And because THAT is priceless, I will fight for it.

    • Dan O’Connor

      Post for you above at end of thread from me in reply to your

      ” you should have joined up with that idiot boy and his pigeon-shooting a Charleston Church “

      • Bonkim

        Would have made a good match – at least this lad was practical and did something to follow up his belief instead of waffling aimlessly.

        if you had any sense would have looked at solutions to your mental block – but then if you have a mental block that would be impossible.

    • Mr B J Mann

      The rule of law refers to the powers that be being subject to it, not just their subjects.

      Clearly a bit late for that, I’m afraid.

      • Bonkim

        So what solution would you suggest?

        • Mr B J Mann

          To what?

          Police inaction against themselves for acting as judge jury and executioner in speeding cases and acting illegally in concert with the CPS, magistrates and the DVLA?

          Perhaps of town councils illegally implement illegal parking bans and then illegally using the illegal bans to extort money from law-abiding citizens?

          Or was there something else you were thinking of?

          Perhaps the police putting Labour slogans on their vehicles, and arresting law-abiding citizens for pointing out that the bible doesn’t approve of baggery or for revving a dying temperamental sports car engine in a supposedly wacist manner near a flock of burq-s?!?!?

          • Bonkim

            Good luck with your revolution.

  • justsomeone

    And the E.U (and the BBC) is keen for us to take in massive numbers from Africa and the Muslim world.

  • Dan O’Connor

    Bonkin ” But the language was a little off putting ”

    Man up !

  • Dan O’Connor

    Newsflash ,

    Misprint discovered in Koran .
    It does not say ” 72 virgins ” . It says ” 72 year old virgin ” ,

  • Maid_Meena

    Yet strangely, Buckinghamshire seems to be a hot bed of British ‘white’ Islamic extremism. You don’t have to be an immigrant to be an extremist, just an idiot.

    *UK jihadist Thomas Evans was commander in al-Shabaab raid*
    British man Thomas Evans was second in command of the al-Shabaab unit he was fighting for when killed in Kenya, Kenyan police said.
    Evans, 25, from Buckinghamshire, died in a thwarted attack by the Somalian al-Qaeda linked militant group on a military base on 14 June.
    Evans, from Wooburn Green, converted to Islam in 2010, and soon after allegedly became involved with Muslim radicals in High Wycombe (Bucks).
    He travelled to Egypt in 2011, telling his family he was going to study Arabic, from where he is believed to have travelled to Somalia to enlist with Al Shabaab, where he fought under the adopted name Abu Hakim.
    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/uk-jihadist-thomas-evans-was-commander-al-shabaab-raid-say-police-1507151

    *White widow Samantha Lewthwaite commands ‘army of 200 female jihadis to carry out suicide bomb attacks’*
    The shock revelation comes as it is believed she is also behind 400 murders including the slaughter of 148 people at a university in Kenya.
    Lewthwaite allegedly works within the intelligence unit of terror group, Al-Shabaab, and instructs women to act as spies to obtain information from government troops.
    It is believed she is recruiting men, women and children to carry out suicide bomb attacks for cash as little as £300.
    A source said: “She does not carry out attacks herself as she is too important but is responsible for many, many deaths – hundreds.
    “She uses children to kill for her after giving money to their families.”
    The 31-year-old is originally from Aylesbury in Buckinghamshire.
    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/white-widow-samantha-lewthwaite-commands-army-200-female-jihadis-carry-out-suicide-bomb-1502214

    • Dan O’Connor

      Thanks for popping up again with a repeat or your post
      I have methodically and systematically already exposed the counter intuitive reasoning and illlogic behind it, just below
      Your faulrty reasoning being , that if you can just find one exception ,
      ( a White jihadist ) to a monotonously repeditive, well established and observed pattern of behaviour eminating from one particular group of immigrants from Muslim countries , then you can use this one in million exception to the rule as proof that no such pattern of group behaviour amongst Muslim immigrants exists at all
      You have a nerve to post that same nonsense twice after I have used pure logic to dissprove it
      I would appeactate a response

    • FedUpIndian

      When you brainwash people for a couple of generations by telling them that the culture and civilization of their ancestors is bigoted and contemptible, they become like people without an immune system – they are susceptible to infections that otherwise could not have harmed them. 50 years ago, these people would have led quiet lives in some English village. Now, they can be infected with any dangerous idea that lives in the Internet – and many of them are, as your examples show.
      English schools, English values, just as Pakistani schools, Pakistani values. When people in England demand this, these problems will fade away. But for that, they need to rediscover their bulldog spirit, which is currently missing in inaction. Read this article if this is not clear to you:

      https://spectator.com.au/features/9252471/the-bradford-head-teacher-who-got-it-right-on-islam-and-education/

  • Dan O’Connor

    I have come to the conculusion that the average universitiy educated White LIberal Progressive and the vast majority of the champagne Marxist technocrats who run all of the West’s insitutions, are as dumb as a brick, and as mad as a box of frogs .
    They appear utterly incapable of fathoming that the vast majority of Muslims , when questioned by research pollsters are are interviewed on TV are telling the dumb Kaffir what they all know the dumb kaffir want’s to hear . The White liberals are so naive and gullible that he believes that all those Muslims walk around 24 /7 feeling all

    ” helpless, innocent , poor , marginalised , disenfranchised , and discrimniated against ”

    White LIberals, actually believe that Muslims are so naive that they don’t know how the Western liberal mind thinks and that they have not memorised all of the Left / LIberal White guilt and cutsey multi culti terminology as a way to lull Whites into a semi-comotose state of multi cult utopian bliss so the collective organism of Euro Muslims can get them to the demographic majority station they want to get off at
    The White lliberal actually believes the utter absurdity , that the collective psyche of every culture, reliigion and race on the planet are the same , and that they all think just like White LIberal progressives , an that they would never be capable of pracitising any form of well practiced and divinley mandated collective duplicity , deciet and lies .

  • Dinfrance

    I agree 100% with Ron. Only the do good PC brigade are concerned abut these cretins. Don’t give them the satisfaction of news coverage……

    On another point Ron, REAL Yorkshire people don’t say ‘Eeeh bah gum’, that’s for Forigners and Southerners

    • Jay Igaboo

      Eeeh, bah gum, tha’ doesn’t say?

  • Sir Talbot Buxomley

    Most of us have been saying this for years and look where it got us. The Tory party is as infected with the multi-culti virus as Camden council was 30 years ago.

  • Dan O’Connor

    ” People ( the Left / Liberals ) are disposed to mistake predicting troubles for causing troubles and even for desiring troubles ”

    ” History is littered with the wars that everyone knew would never happen ”

    Enoch Powell .

  • Dan O’Connor

    In reply to Bonkin

    Quoting you from your reply in our exchange below in which I believe I formulated and conducted myself in a grown up and scholarly fashion .

    ” You should have joined up with that idiot boy who held a pigeon shoot in that Charlestown Church ”

    OH , congratualtions Bonkin , finally you anti-Whites and your media have got the proof that you’ve been desperately drooling for , that the West is a place where mobs of angry , toothless hick , tatooed , red neck racists run around hunting down and killing non Whites with total impunity .

    Jeez , the unforgivable ignorance of your people is the only think that sustains you and defeats us
    You peoiple love statistics and data , don’t you

    Here ;

    Last year in 2014 , there have been in the USA
    Black on White murders ; ca , 400
    White on Black murders ca 4

    A White person in the USA is 40 times more likely to be murdered by a Black person than a Black person is by a White person

    US Department of Justice Rape Statistics on average per year
    Black on White rapes 30, 000
    White on Black rapes 0 to 10

    95 % of Black homocide victims are murdered by other Blacks
    Blacks murder 100 times more Blacks in one year than all the Blacks that have been lynched by Whites over the last 150 years

    In the USA , the MSM have ” racially sensitive ” reporting guidelines .
    They ignore or down play the enourmous number of the most grusome and barbaric murders of Whites by Blacks , like the 12 year old White boy who was kidnapped by a Black women and torturéd to death with a blow torch ( anyone remember his
    name ?–thought not , ) but every one has heard of Saint Trayvon Martin , eh ?
    This is going on, on a daily basis

    Oh , by the way , in the USA , dozens of Blacks and Whites have been murdered by Blacks , in the time it took me to write this comment
    Bonkin , you people disgust me

    • Jay Igaboo

      Splendid comment Dan.
      Talking of canonisation the murder of St.Stephen of Lawrence ( which was, plain and simple, a nasty all be it swift murder it by racist thugs) launched a years-long breast-beating orgy among the bien pensant.
      The ISIS-level of torture ( that is no exaggeration)that lasted for about six hours of 16-year-old Kris Donald in Glasgow for the “crime” of being white, was scarcely reported and unremarked by the MSM.
      He had been chosen at random for his whiteness by four P*ki scumbags, brutally beaten, stuffed into the boot of a car, driven around in it for five hours before being soaked in petrol and burned alive.
      Both the MSM and the fuzz made minimal comment, and as per usual, delayed the release of the clearly muzloon names of the scum who did it,
      The cops allowed the perps to conveniently escape to Wakistan, until white youths in Glasgow were feared by the cops to be about to take action themselves, and Britain’s first Muslim MP Anwar Sarwar (charged with electoral fraud a day after being elected) arranged for their extradition.
      Of course, both police chiefs and The Rt, Hon. Anwar Sarwar are far too honourable to have seen an opportunity to get themselves off a hook.

  • Dinfrance

    Ah bl00dy do that leet geen booger

  • Philip Sidebottom

    Muslimanism must be the most violent religion in the world at present.

    • Edward Studor

      At present? It always has been.

  • Danlocky

    I suppose I should be flattered by Rod haphazardly paraphrasing my book The Islamic Republic of Dewsbury, a copy of which I sent to him in 2011. The factual inaccuracies are relatively minor, although it’s worth mentioning that Savile Town is not a ghetto. It’s a property bubble – Dewsbury’s Mayfair, with house prices 40-50% higher than the rest of the town. An acknowledgement of some sort would have been nice, I suppose. And if ever you want to see the place first hand Rod, I do guided tours. Niqabs can be provided if you’re scared of the bogeymen. I’ve never needed one.

    • maraismarais

      Very interesting to hear of your book and astonishing that there is no mention of the facts noted in any media that I can find apart from The English Review . I think you should be congratulated for what you do in the face of much unfair and biased criticism .

  • Zed largo

    I wonder what history will make of the British allowing an invasion of its lands by people who are members of a religious culture it is at war with. And then adding insult to injury by punishing its own people by treating them as foreigners in their own land. Cultures go nuts, just as the German culture did in the 1930’s; it maybe that British culture is unwell and suffering from a kind of self harm syndrome. In which case its happy days are over as the symptoms worsen as its pain and misery increases. Britiains fall is accelerating and it will become a deeply divided nation without a sense of identity and locked in bitterness.

    • Bonkim

      Go along with the gist – but true hearts of Oak do not pump out emotional outbursts but take stock calmly and sensibly to look at workable solutions to perceived problems.

      Fundamentally people of a submissive religion led by bigots just don’t fit in with the liberal law abiding society shaped over two centuries of struggle. Having said that the Liberal society had forgotten the prime lesson of the Anglo-axon ethic – that the individual is accountable in law for his/her action – we have allowed the term ‘community and communities’ to enter common parlance leaving the individual free not to act responsibly.

      The sooner we redefine all in Britain as British and demand that they all subscribe to a common civic morality and respect for Law, the easier it would be to demand and expect all to act sensibly maintaining our common interests.

      One other thing that baffles me is the distinction made between Islamic Jihadists going to Iraq and Syria to join ISIS and earlier waves of Britons that volunteered to fight in the Spanish civil War or any number of other civil conflicts in Africa and Asia joining up with mercenaries and other soldiers of fortune. If returning Jihadists are seen to pose a threat to the rest of us it would be logical to set up interment camps for the returnees for a period until they are seen to see daylight. Also if they are not British Citizens, summary deportation.

      British Parliament should also sign out of the ECHR and not be deterred from promptly deporting those suspected of intending harm regardless of the standards of law prevailing in the homelands of such people. British standards of justice should be reserved for British citizens and not to all and sundry. Citizenship is a valuable two way contract between state and citizen expecting those privileged to act responsibly and pay back in equal measure the trust placed. Civics and citizenship should be part of the curriculum – important part of education of youngsters from the start.

      It is time Parliament reviewed the effects on society of the abolition of capital punishment. Society today has lost trust with their government and also with each other; criminals and terrorists take advantage of perceived weaknesses in the system. Those committing the most heinous crimes and terrorist acts have forfeited their privileges and no reason why they should not be eliminated from our society.

      • Jay Igaboo

        “Respect for the law”?– you must be joking. Respect for the Common Law that evolved over centuries to become the envy of the world, and which America’s founding father’s used as the basis of their Constitution- yes.
        Respect for the literally thousands of EU regulations and UN laws, and the hundreds of oppressive statutes of BLiar, Broon and Cameroon- no chance.

        • Bonkim

          English Law is built on layers of historic principles and subsequent case and statute Laws. Law is what Parliament decides and yes changes as circumstances change. Common Law and these additions go together.

          • Jay Igaboo

            I understand the genesis of both English and Scots law, Legislators both sides of the border, in their lust for power, have ignored Lord Blackstone’s advice on the creation of statute to over-ride common law by statute ” changes to the common law must be so gentle and such common sense that no reasonable man could object”- advice which is as sound today as it was 400 years ago.

            A pox on the law, Sir, where it loses its way and crushes our ancient, hard-won liberties- the Rule of Law is a knee-jerk reaction of those on the Right who do not think it through, and those on the Left when THEY have the power to steal the right and just liberties of the people.

            The power to read every citizen’s every single email is the rule of law.
            The power to of the State to abuse the citizen by double jeopardy is law -t hanks to Harriet Harridan.
            The power to imprison for giving voice to unfashionable thoughts on race, religion or sexual perversion is the law.
            The penalising at the trial stage for remaining silent ( won at enormous cost by the Quaker “Freeborn John” Lilleburn, who refused to answer the King’s bullies who whipped him through the streets of London) -again removed by Harperson- is law.
            Arrest without habeus corpus is law.
            Arrest and extradition in and from the land of one’s birth for expressing an opinion HERE of history that is illegal in another foreign land is the law.
            Well, Sir, f*ck those laws and many others like them- and the enablers of tyranny who would have us cringingly respect them.

          • Bonkim

            I suppose it is your right to challenge what you consider tyranny. However bringing history serves no purpose. The legal framework including the Magna Carta was for protecting the interests of the Barons, privileged/landed/titled classes – the average Englishman or Scot were mere serves mostly illiterate toiling from dawn to dusk in their allotted station in life.

            Church Law was probably more egalitarian as long as you were prepared take an oath on the cross, walk on fir and water to prove your point.

            The common man and woman got his/her rights to ask for equal treatment only because of the political movements that sprung up in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

            So yes Common Law gave rights but it took centuries and case Law in the last hundred years or so for the common man to enjoy them – however limited the scope in your view.

          • Dan O’Connor

            ” I suppose it is your right to challenge tryanny ”

            OH , thou art all compassionate and mercifull Oh Wise One .–thank you , thank you , thank you .

            As if you being the self ordained Master of the Moral Universe of course , that we need your personal moral permission slip to claim our birth right

          • Bonkim

            Why waste time bringing the issue in discussion?

          • Dan O’Connor

            You are wasting your time with him
            I wouldn’t be suprised if he a random word generator program
            I have come across nothing like him in ten years of blogging
            One million sound bits of useless information
            He is like the character Cliff Clavin from the tv series “Cheers”. He knows everything about nothing
            He has conflated quantity of knowledge with quality .
            He doesn’t debate . He sermonises and preaches

          • Jay Igaboo

            Point taken, Dan, thanks.
            I post mostly in the hope of influencing others, shaking them out of PC brainwashing, and hopefully swaying them to act to change.
            I answer PC bigots ( I’m not saying he is one, I haven’t read any of his posts before) not in the hope of converting THEM, but in informing others of a counter-argument.
            When I started posting on-lime a few years ago, I resolved to only get into drawn out arguments when there were lots of people reading the thread, and moving on when there wasn’t, as I hate typing and being indoors.
            I should have avoided him, not enough are “in the room” to justify the effort.
            best to you, your posts are good.

          • Dan O’Connor

            That’s a good rule to follow
            And all the best to you.

  • Innit Bruv

    Usual proletarian pandering to the lowest common denominator from OinkOink Liddle.
    We saw what this type of “journalism” can lead to in Norway in July 2011.

    • Richard Eldritch

      Except it hasn’t has it? In fact the mass murder has all been due to the efforts of the Religion of Peace, 7/7, Lee Rigby, etc etc not to mention their peaceful beheading and murdering holidays in the Daesh.

      What else ya got ……Bruv?

      • Innit Bruv

        “Except it hasn’t, has it?”
        It most certainly has: David Copeland, April 1999.
        Three bombs, three dead (four if you count an unborn child), and more than a hundred injured, some of them very seriously.
        Note the date: April 1999 !!
        More than two years before 9/11. Long before anyone had heard
        of Al-Qaeda, Ben Laden or Isis.
        An event that, curiously, never figures in any discussion of domestic terrorism.
        You obviously have, like many, selective amnesia.

        • Coleridge1

          Bruv my inbred friend, your ‘prophet’ Mohammed was raping little girls and cutting people’s heads of way before Copeland.

          • Innit Bruv

            Oh dear oh dear oh dear !!
            How many times do I have to tell thickos and knuckleheads like you????
            I am not a Muslim, Mohammed was not “my prophet”,
            I have no connection to the Indian Subcontinent whatsoever (plenty of rapes in predominantly Hindu India by the way).

            It is indicative of the overall stupidity of many of the plebs who read this publication that they automatically assume that anyone who doesn’t share their crudely xenophobic and simplistic worldview is either a Muslim, a “Guardianista” , a tree-hugging lefty, or from the BBC.

            You are obviously part of this lowest common denominator I was referring to.(And, who knows, probably inbred too).
            Or to put it another way: “disenfranchised” white trash taking out their resentment and self loathing on “the other”.
            Nothing new here: this dynamic is as old as Humanity itself. QED.
            To quote Boris Johnson: F..k off and die !!!

            Ps:If you’re that concerned about paedophilia why not start a campaign to get “Lord” Janner to face his accusers in court?
            (Far more relevant to today’s Britain don’t you think?)
            Pps:I think you’ll find that people have been raping and cutting one another’s heads off since the beginning of time and in every corner of the globe.

          • Infidelissima

            well, you surely sound like an inbred retard mussie!! What an achievement.

            tell me, are you parents cousins, or actually siblings?

          • Innit Bruv

            “Are you parents cousins”….
            Learn to spell you useless phackwit.
            Better still ,and to quote Boris Johnson: f..k off and die !! (and not necessarily in that order).
            You’ll be doing the world a favour.

    • Infidelissima

      funny, since it’s muslims who have the highest rates of illiteracy on the planet

      1. 6 Billion people who contribute NOTHING to humanity and who who worship a book, written by a pedophile that tells them how to wipe their own backsides – clever…

      • Innit Bruv

        Very profound. You’re obviously part of the lowest common denominator Mr. Liddle earns his living pandering to.
        On the subject or paedophilia: isn’t it time your co-religionist and former president of the Board of Deputies of British Jews Lord Janner faced his accusers in court?

        • Coleridge1

          Bruv you really need to get over this ‘Jew’ business. Try heading back to your racist Pakistani homeland and stoning some of your hideously ugly women to death. That should calm you down.

          • Innit Bruv

            Not a Pakistani ,not a Muslim, no connection whatsoever with the Indian Subcontinent.
            Funny that. Crude stereotyping of anything Muslim or Arab/Middle Eastern seems to be perfectly OK with most Speccie readers.
            Mention anything Jewish and twits like you fall for it, get all indignant and start making erroneous assumptions about my background. QED.

          • Infidelissima

            yeah yeah Abdul, another day, another lying mussie vermin

        • Infidelissima

          LOL, I’M part of the lowest common denominator???

          Mussies are the most inbred, illiterate, savage and primitive group of people on the planet.

          you mussies are so phacking useless, 500 Million of you can’t even destroy 7 Million Israelis. You’re only good at offing each other, which you definitely should not stop doing.

          • Innit Bruv

            You’re VERY much part of the lowest common denominator.
            How many times do I have to tell you before it penetrates your thick skull?
            I AM NOT A MUSLIM !!!
            Your comments merely serve to prove my point (but you’re probably too phacking stupid to realise it).QED

  • Liberanos

    Mr Liddle may be correct, but there’s a serious dilemma for muslims in the modern age. If they abjure islamically pure ISIS violence, perpetrated by the most devout of all believers, they are, by definition, repudiating the koran. If they publicly repudiate the koran, they are repudiating allah and could be subject to a fatal response. The answer is obviously to embrace the modern world. But that is next to impossible in the mediaeval and primitive convocation which is islam.

  • Simon Fay

    “The police told them, nothing we can do — go elsewhere.”

    Another arm of the liberal state I wouldn’t piss on if it were on fire. And to think I used to stick up for them.

  • Jacques Strap

    Round them up and deport them all.

  • Maid_Meena

    *Savage machete attack on Sikh in Tesco was ‘revenge for Lee Rigby*

    A white supremacist launched a horrific machete attack on a Sikh in a Tesco supermarket thinking he was a Muslim and claiming it was in revenge for the murder of Fusilier Lee Rigby.
    Zack Davies, 26, of Mold in North Wales, admits attacking Dr Sarandev Singh Bhambra in the town on 14 January (2015) but denies attempted murder.
    Mold Crown Court has heard how Davies followed the trainee dentist into the supermarket and attacked him with a claw hammer and 12 inch machete whilst laughing and screaming “this is for Lee Rigby.”
    Bhambra’s hand was almost severed and he suffered life-changing injuries.
    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/savage-machete-attack-sikh-tesco-was-revenge-lee-rigby-1507422

    • Dan O’Connor

      So you reckon that those commentators that have been encouraging the notion that we are under no moral obligation to hand over our lands, social capiital and identities to hostile and alien peoples and cultures are
      engaging in unnatural activity and must be suffering from some form of mental abnormality ?

      Well, in that case, under that defintion , the term ” racism ” cannot possible be disproven of argued against , and it would include everyone living on the planet today

    • Edward Studor

      You need to examine your conscience. How do feel about Lee Rigby, and all the other atrocious killings carried out daily around the world by Islamic terrorists?

      • Maid_Meena

        I have never fostered racism, I am without sin, and so have a clear conscience.

        I do not advocate violence towards anyone.
        However, after your reply to me, where you are defending retaliation against an innocent man and a non Muslim, if a Muslim lopped your head off, I wouldn’t give a sh*t.

        • Edward Studor

          No, you just apologise for mass murderers. That’s a very large sin in most people’s eyes.

          • Maid_Meena

            Really? I didn’t know the Sikhs were mass murderers.
            You are a liar.

          • Edward Studor

            The man was too thick to know that not all brown men are Muslims. Sikhs are extremely nice, peaceful people. And he wasn’t a ‘white supremacist’ he went looking for his girlfriend, and when he couldn’t find her he took it out on someone else. Racist, yes, but not a ‘white supremacist’.
            You’re are the one who mentioned ‘anti-Muslim sentiment’. You judge people by their actions, and by this standard Muslims are lucky they’re not completely ostracised by civilised society.

          • Dan O’Connor

            Well said

          • Infidelissima

            every religion in the world is being mass ordered by islam – including Islam!

            Sikhs, Buddhists, Hindus also war with muslims, a people incapable of living in peace with anybody – guess who are the ones being called ‘racists’ though…

        • sally@firewalk

          Nobody is “without sin” as you put it. Pride being a deadly one.

          • Maid_Meena

            I was talking about racism, obviously, even to a moron.

        • Dan O’Connor

          ” I have never fostered racism ” = ethno-centrism

          You have never defined it either .

          In which case you are a tiny minority of the world’s population
          6 billion and 92 % of the non-White ethnicies practice in group favouratism with no moral qualms or controversy whatsoever and the vast majority of White Liberals would move heavena nd earth to defend their rights of blood , land and heritage
          There are no.non-Whites who wouid collaborate their own economic , cultural , pollitical , territorial and demographic disinheritance
          So according to you they are all raving racial supremacists

          I know you won’t debate the definition of ” racism ” and if you do repond , you will carefully cherry pick , evade , disseminate, and side step .
          I have already exposed your attempt in your earlier comment where you wanted to portray the one in million White jihadist , the exception to a well established pattern of behaviour as proof that no pattern of behaviour amongst immigrants from Muslim countries exists at all .
          You are a race card pimp with an agenda

  • Edward Studor

    Forget suicide bombing. The new trend now (at least in Europe) is to kill people with cars.

    • Dan O’Connor

      Yes , and just as they have been instructed to do by their jihadi advisers

      The media has of course deliberately avoided making too much out of the fact that the driver of the vehicle that plowed deliberately into Austrian pedestrians and killed several of them was Muslim , and then acted as apologists for it by descibing him as a lone wolf who had been treated with drugs for some probems and had domestic troubles at home .
      Oh , please , own up !

      The same media have no moral qualms about identifying the actions of a terrorist with the ideology of all anti-minoritisation White movements when it’s a White person
      The same international media would never dream of associating the vastly higher number of Black violence against Whites in the USA as being motivate by ” racism ”
      For the last 50 years , White people in their own homelands have been the victims of a vindictive, wcked , mean and cynical campaign of blatant and immoral racial double standards
      For the last 50 years , the White race has been the only race on the planet that it has been possible to collectively as a group, demonise , offend, insult stigmatise , indict , and demographically replace and disinherit with utter and total impunity .

      • Edward Studor

        I think they’re playing it down because they know that Europe is at breaking point and an action like this could spark riots and even civil war. We are on the brink and the authorities know it.

        • Dan O’Connor

          I’m not sure . Whites appear to be able to absorbe unlimited amounts of self-immolation and self ethnic cleansing because it is taking place by a process of incrementalism as we are being dispossesed one salami slice at a time .
          The death of a thousand cuts
          Whites need a moral permission slip to actively resist in large enough numbers to make a difference and those who rule over us refuse to give it too them and stigmatise any who do dissent as ” stupid , uneducated, mentally unhinged ,hate mongers , who suffer from some mental abnormality .
          It ‘s a Catch22, Damned if do , and certainly our children will be damned if we don’t

  • Wildflowers

    So Cameron wants to let these depraved individuals back in the country to rehabilitate them once they have had their fun. What a fool.

    https://twitter.com/rConflictNews/status/613308308187967488

    • TNT

      Muslims have lived in poverty and savagery for 1400 years. I don’t think we are far off from seeing their ‘religion’ finally being put in its place. It is a dreadful stain on this planet.

  • And you voted for more of it by voting Labour. So quit your whining.

  • Coleridge1

    There must be a legal way in which the indigenous population can expel fascistic Islamist settlers back to their racist apartheid Pakistani homeland.

  • Becka W

    I cannot believe that any publication would actually post this. The ramblings of a vile, racist fantasist.

    • dep

      Do you disagree with what has been written or do you just disagree with the cheek of talking about how things are?

    • The_greyhound

      In other words the facts are a threat to your dim self-righteous virtue signalling? Yours are the ramblings of a vile, sanctimonious hypocrite.

    • hereward

      Are you for real or just a wind up troll ?

  • Benthos

    Rod you make the mistake of saying these people are British they are not and never will be, 7/7 proved that. I thought it was choice of two things suicide bombing or white children in care abuse?

  • John Bull

    Rod, don’t fancy the ‘Musloid Brute’ moving into your neighbourhood then!

  • Simerall

    Amazing to think this catastrophe is taking place in Yorkshire – a place renowned for its strong culture, plain speaking and common sense. What strange force is responsible for this?

  • Ollie Bear

    I do think all this will come to a head eventually, mainly because of the internet. The white liberal elite cannot hide the truth anymore.

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