Here’s everything Islamophobic that I have to say, all at once

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A couple of weeks back I wrote an article headed: ‘Call me insane, but I’m voting Labour.’ Among the many hundreds of people who reacted with the rather predictable ‘Yes, you’re insane’ was my wife, Mrs Liddle. She pointed out that Ed Miliband had vowed that upon being elected, Labour would make Islamophobia a crime. ‘So,’ she concluded, with a certain acidity, ‘not only will we be substantially worse off under a Labour government, but at nine o’clock on the morning of 8 May the police will arrive to take you away. You are voting for a party which will both impoverish and arrest you. You are a moron.’

Yes. She has a point. I hadn’t realised that Ed was going to make Islamophobia a crime. Part of me rather agrees with criminalising these sorts of psychological conditions — I have always thought that agoraphobia, for example, should be against the law, as I cannot abide people who whine about how they can’t go out to places. Get a grip. And I have never had much time for linonophobes, either: string is incredibly useful and to be scared of it is just stupid. Bang these people up, I say. Similarly, pentheraphobia, which is an irrational hatred of one’s mother-in-law. Not pleasant. A short term in prison would sort all of these people out.

But Islamophobia? That seems to me an entirely rational response to an illiberal, vindictive and frankly fascistic creed. I am not a Muslimophobe — I am well aware that enormous numbers of Muslims do not subscribe to all of the particularly unpleasant tenets of Islam as it is practised and preached today. Not all of them wish to chop your head off or stone you to death or simply imprison you for not being one of them, or for being homosexual, or Jewish, or for renouncing your faith because you’ve suddenly realised that it is illiberal, vindictive and fascistic. Not all of them believe that democracy is — much as Hitler saw it — evil, decadent and weak (and not a match for the will of Allah), or that women should be dressed in sackcloth and ashes and not allowed to be educated or to go to work. Or that non-Muslims are a lower species of human being, scarcely human beings at all — ‘cattle’, as the, uh, liberal Muslim columnist Mehdi Hassan once put it. Not all of them persecute or murder Christians, or simply ban them from worshipping their God. Not all of them believe the Holocaust didn’t happen, or that it did happen and it was a bloody good thing, all things considered. Or that freedom of speech and freedom of thought are both ludicrous concepts.

It’s the ideology I have a problem with, then, not so much the people. Although having said that, I’m not keen on those beards they all have. But that’s another issue. Lifelong pogonophobic, me.

The temptation now, then, is to be as Islamophobic as humanly possible, in one short burst, and get it all out of the way before the new laws come in. Or alternatively, to gain a sort of strange kudos by being the first person to be arrested under the Miliband regime. I have competition here, mind. I note that my friend and colleague Douglas Murray has said that he would be proud to be the first arrested under the new laws.

Well, it’s not going to happen. I am much, much, more Islamophobic than you, Douglas, and frankly your presumption grates a little. Douglas has form here — he has previously written of his aspiration to win the Islamophobe of the Year trophy, an award handed out by the delightfully oxymoronic Islamic Human Rights Commission (IHRC). That won’t happen, either, Douglas. You are not even in a Europa League spot regarding this particular prize.

This year’s Islamophobe of the Year was the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo — obviously, murdering the people who ran the magazine was not quite enough for the IHRC. It thought Charlie Hebdo needed another bash over the head. Incidentally, the IHRC is considered to be one of the more liberal and humanitarian Islamic organisations in this country.

The last Labour government tried to make it a crime to ‘disrespect’ Islam, at the behest of clamorous Muslim pressure groups. As you will see next week, Labour relies upon the Allah block vote in very many constituencies (and especially the postal votes of Muslim constituents who do not speak English and probably do not even know that a general election is taking place). Ed Miliband’s latest wheeze is a similar genuflection to Mecca for political gain, although the man is so staggeringly deluded he probably believes in it ideologically.

Anyway, just as New Labour pondered bringing in this new law, the then head of the Muslim Council of Britain, Sir Iqbal Sacranie, was interviewed by police about comments he had made on the Radio 4 PM programme about homosexuals — interviewed at his home under laws Labour had brought in to criminalise that other psychological condition, homophobia. Sir Iqbal had divested himself of the opinion that homosexuality wasn’t terribly good for society. I think that’s a very moderate interpretation of Islam’s hadiths on the subject, and certainly more moderate than the views held by every single Islamic government operating in the world today. I suppose if Ed Miliband’s latest proposed law had been in force back then, Sir Iqbal (knighthood for services to community relations, by the way) would have been able to press charges against the police on the count of Islamophobia.

There is no such thing as Islamophobia, of course. There are people who dislike Islam and will continue to dislike it no matter what fatuous legislation is enacted by the forthcoming Labour/SNP coalition from hell. And they dislike it for perfectly good, rational, reasons.

TaggedCharlie Hebdo, Crime, Douglas Murray, Ed Miliband, General election 2015, homophobia, Iqbal Sacranie, Islamophobia, Labour, Mehdi Hassan, Prison

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blandings

“Yes. She has a point.”
I learnt to listen to my wife.
It’s why I’m still in one piece.
Rik

But but but how can you be an Islamophobe Rod when Islam has brought us such joyous diversity as
Honour murders
Mass FGM
Sharia Courts
Rampant postal vote fraud
Trojan horse schools
Police protected hate preachers
Corrupt civil administration
Grooming gangs in dozens of cities etc etc etc
How dare you think of critcising such progress,we can only be grateful that the Conservative T May has proposed a similar law.
OK sarc off
Vote UKIP
- albert pike
  
  “Mass FGM”
  
  That’s not true
  - Infidelissima
    
    and yet more lies from a muslim
    - Damaris Tighe
      
      Or two of the three monkeys (hear no evil, see no evil) put together.
      - Greyfox
        
        Please don’t feed the trolls. They don’t believe in logic anyway: they have a magic book written by a vindictive old git. All their arguments are specious exercises in sophistry, which they don’t believe.
  - Bonkim
    
    How many are needed to cross the mass barrier?
  - will91
    
    Nurse! Nurse! Come quickly!! He’s managed to get on to your computer!!
- albert pike
  
  “Honour murders”
  
  That’s not true
  - Infidelissima
    
    more lies from a muslim
  - Bonkim
    
    O.K Honour-killings then all legal.
    - Damaris Tighe
      
      As enshrined in law in a relatively non-fundamentalist Muslim state such as Jordan.
      - Bonkim
        
        Damaris – Honour killings not just in Muslim cultures –
        
        “Honour killings have been known since ancient Roman times, when the pater familias, or senior male within a household, retained the right to kill an unmarried but sexually active daughter or an adulterous wife.39 Honour-based crimes were known in medieval Europe where early Jewish law mandated death by stoning for an adulterous wife and her partner.40 Today the practice is most commonly associated with regions in North Africa and the Middle East.”
        
        Not unheard in italy, Greece, Spain, Mexico/Brazil, etc, even today. In Britain, for example, the fifth wife of Henry VIII was beheaded based on allegations of adultery.
        
        In British literature, Shakespeare’s Desdemona was killed over allegations of infidelity, and Romeo and Juliet tracked an ancient family feud over honour. King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table centred on notions of honour. The premise of the Three Musketeers was the King’s guards avenging the betrayal of the king by Cardinal Richelieu.
        
        Similar notions can be traced in Latin American societies. In Brazil and parts of Latin America, machismo is often described as a code of honour. In the early times of Peru, the laws of the Incas permitted husbands to starve their wives to death as punishment for committing an adulterous act. Aztec laws resulted in death by stoning or strangulation for female adultery during the early times of Mexico.48
        
        Several great wars started over honour. Likely the clearest of these was the Trojan War, which began over the honour of Helen. Her father required that all her suitors defend his choice for her marriage, thereby setting all of Greece against Troy.
      - Damaris Tighe
        
        Yes, the honour/shame society wasn’t & isn’t just Muslim. But Pikey here is asserting that there is no such thing in Muslim society.
      - Bonkim
        
        You will find marrying out of the race/tribe/country or religion brings swift and ready justice on those involved in many societies today. Whilst physical violence may be a thing of the past social ostracisation is all too familiar in most societies including the West. Look at the silly comments passed about Nigel Farage’s German wife.
      - Ivan Ewan
        
        Sneery comments = brutal murder?
      - Mr B J Mann
        
        Right.
        
        So nothing to do with honour.
        
        And nothing to do with killing.
        
        So only wrong on two out of two counts!
      - vieuxceps2
        
        Ostracism,Bonky,not ostracisation.
      - Bonkim
        
        ‘Ostracisation’ is quite correct.
        
        Ostracism – exclusion, by general consent, from social acceptance, privileges, friendship, etc.
        
        Ostracisation – from verb to ostracise or ostracize.
        
        Alternative form of ostracization.
        
        Origin
        
        ostracise +‎ -ation
      - vieuxceps2
        
        Interesting that ostracisation is an alternative form of ostracization.The perils of blindly copying, I suppose. However Bonkim, I perceive a difference between ostracisaton and ostracism in that ostracisation is the act of causing someone to be ostracised and ostracism which is the state of having ng suffered ostracisation. Cf.paralyse and paralysis.
      - Bonkim
        
        Ostracism is the force field that causes societies to ostracise people that cross the barrier – ostracisation is the act of ostracising someone.
        
        Much like electricity is the force that electrifies a circuit or Magnetism that causes magnetisation in magnetic materials.
        
        English is a wonderful language with many shades of meanings each sublty different from the other – most verbs can be turned into their causative noun form by adding -sation or -zation, equally nouns into verbs by ise/ize. How about demonization? I am getting confused.
      - vieuxceps2
        
        “I am getting confused”-I’m not surprised.Why not simply say you got it wrong? It’s no great shakes.
      - Bonkim
        
        Jumping to conclusions!
      - dodosushi
        
        Yawn!
      - vieuxceps2
        
        Sleep child, grown-ups are here.
      - Bonkim
        
        Jordan is a bad example – it is unique amongst Islamic countries although the enlightened 1960s and 70s are now history in much of the Islamic world including Jordan which has allowed millions of Palestinian Hamaz supportes and also other bigoted strands from Iraq and Syria to take root. the Hashemite dynasty may be in peril because of these backward lot settling in. In the old day the King could bump off the vermin but today that will be called a genocide with the UN jumping on Jordan and calling it a War-Criminal.
        
        Is the UN doing much to stop the war-crime business in Syria?
      - norm
        
        the UN is all for the Muslims now they can do no wrong in UN’s eyes
      - Bonkim
        
        Given Muslims are destroying each other at a high rate, the UN should keep out and let them exercise their human freedoms to carry on chopping.
      - Richard Baranov
        
        And how is anything you have written above relevant? We are talking about the contemporary West, not England 500 years ago. Quite amazing that for your disingenuous arguments you have to reach back so far into the past. Perhaps you haven’t got the message but in modern Western society, honour killings are beyond the pale.
      - Lamia
        
        Quite amazing that for your disingenuous arguments you have to reach back so far into the past
        
        And not just to the past but into works of fiction.
      - Ivan Ewan
        
        And even then, it’s just an insinuation about the characters in a work of fiction in centuries past.
        
        Bonkim, what are you SMOKING?
      - Bonkim
        
        Depends on where you live – still goes on in the US and Mexico. Have you seen West Side Story?
      - Richard Baranov
        
        I saw West Side Story as a child, but as an adult I have put away childish things. You, evidently, have not. West Side Story is fiction you fool, it is simply Shakespeare’s Romeo and Juliet transposed to New York in the 1950’s, half a century ago for Christ’s sake! You, obviously have never been to America and you obviously cannot distinguish between fact and fiction as your other ludicrous reply to my other post makes clear.
        The “contemporary West is not in Decline” and I would have said that was rather obvious, without the West and its centrality as the generator of ideas and technology, the rest of the world would still be a cess pit. All that has happened is the rest have learnt to emulate the West and, without it, the rest would take a rapid nose dive into the dust. You are quite delusional and obviously need to learn some history instead of believing silly sloganeering as if they were facts. You might start by reading Niall Ferguson to open your eyes to what is actually happening because you misinterpret the triumph of the West for its decline.
      - Bonkim
        
        Half grown up – Honour killings or conflict quite common in many parts of the world particularly in Latin America, Africa, etc, Don’t be stuck up too high ans there are many cancers that afflict so called Western developed societies.
        
        Triumph of the West – all civilizations have their lifecycles – The dark-ages in Europe – the Central Asian Mongol and Arab/Persians were the super-powers as the Romans before them. India, China, all their glory days. What you have failed to learn from history is about social organisation and how societies change with time and changing circumstances. The US is now in decline and the Empires of the East are rising after two Millennia of decline.
        
        Underneath the veneer of consumerism all societies are very similar and can if they adapt and change reform themselves – or go under.
        
        The consumer society created in the last century will not last long and economics will have to be re-invented to manage decline – the earth is overpopulated and resources running out – so all this idle waffle of yours will come to nought.
      - Airey Belvoir
        
        However ‘common’ honour killings are in the world that is absolutely no reason to import the practice here, in the UK, in 2015.
      - Bonkim
        
        Already here this century.
      - Bonkim
        
        Contemporary west is in decline – its peak was early 20th century. Everything in nature follows its life-cycle. Western society has got soft and creativity in decline.
      - Snibbo
        
        Well that’s alright then.
      - Bonkim
        
        In a free society all O.K until you stop some one’s right to do what they want to do.
      - Lamia
        
        Pitiful, barrel-scraping, ancient historical/fictional whataboutery. Truly abject, and utterly irrelevant.
        
        In other ‘news’ from the Bonkim Broadcasting Company: never mind the earthquake in Nepal, a Great Fire has just broken out in London in 1666. Updates as we get them.
      - norm
        
        yeah but most of the world has moved on now we can all look back and see things we did in the past and say that is bad, but most of us now know it and do not do these things so you think it would be all right to send muslim kids of 4-6 years down the mines or up chimneys or little muslim girls to work in factories
      - Bonkim
        
        Not for me to decide – but they do such things in Bangladesh and Pakistan.
      - Jen The Blue
        
        The relevance of that is what? Yes, honour killings occur in all societies but they are usually illegal. Not part of the code of the society or the law.
      - Bonkim
        
        If everyone followed the letter of the law we won’t be having this discussion – discussion does not mean agreeing or disagreeing with honour killings or other aspects of the topic under discussion.
  - TNT
    
    90 per cent of all honour murders are committed by Muslims – the most severely mentally ill group of people on the planet.
    - albert pike
      
      “90 per cent of all honour murders are committed by Muslims”
      
      Perhaps, but that does not mean it is an Islamic tradition..
      The Majority of FGM in Ethiopia is carried out by christians, would you call it a christian tradition?
      - TNT
        
        Abdul Pork, as ever trying to turn reality on its head. The numbers speak for themselves, inbreed.
      - Ivan Ewan
        
        Are you telling me that Islam, the most brutally theocratic power on the planet, can crush every haram trapping of infidel society, but that somehow FGM is too darn entrenched in society for Islam to extinguish?
        
        BS! Islam loves FGM. It tortures women, turning the act of lovemaking into a hellish nightmare, and often resulting in permanent incontinence. What have we learned from Islam at all, if not that it loves crushing women?
      - Dragomir Kollaric
        
        FGM in Koran? no! FGM in the hadith collections (hardly) see FGM has nothing to do with Islam… WELL JUST LOOK UP FGM in SHARIA. ISLAMIC sacred Law!
        
        Sharia (Reliance of the traveler)
        
        “The Body”
        
        e4.3
        
        .3 Circumcision is *obligatory* (O: for *both men and women*. For men it consists of removing the prepuce from the penis, and for women, removing the prepuce (Ar. bazr) of the clitoris (n: not the clitoris itself, as some mistakenly assert). (A: Hanbalis hold that circumcision of women is not obligatory but sunna, while Hanafis consider it a mere courtesy to the husband.) [end quote]
        
        Ibn Ishaq:375 “I saw Hamzah cutting down men with his sword, sparing no one. He yelled out to us, ‘Come here, you son of a cutter-off of clitorises.’ [end quote]
        
        So it was a PAGAN practice and made it into Islamic “Sacred” Law…
        
        The above “translator” is less then honest, the arabic text does say the *clitoris* itself shall be removed…
      - Jeffrey Vernon
        
        This passage is based on a 14th century manual by Naqib al-Misri, which said only ‘circumcision is compulsory.’ That’s ALL it said. *All the rest* was added by a scholar who died in 1890, and another who died in 2010. Now, the whole text might be the real view of all muslims everywhere alive today; but it’s not a piece of scripture or even an ancient legal opinion.
        
        Most christian women in Ethiopia undergo a form of FGM: whereas in Lebanon, a muslim country following the same Shafite law school as the al-Misri manual above, it is practically unheard of. The grand mufti in Egypt (another Shafite country) has declared it prohibited. When muslims are trying to stamp out the practice, it seems perverse to foist on them a persistent belief in it.
      - vieuxceps2
        
        Interesting statistic Pikey.One of your own is it?
      - Infidelissima
        
        just ask him for PROOF and EXAMPLES.
      - albert pike
        
        http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/ethiopia_51122.html
- albert pike
  
  “Rampant postal vote fraud”
  
  Examples please
  - Infidelissima
    
    typical muslim liar
    - albert pike
      
      How can asking for examples be a lie?
      - cartimandua
        
        Because if you don’t know you cant read English so there is no point at all in responding.
        All of it has been all over every kind of media.
      - Callipygian
        
        And — has anyone done anything about it? Vote fraud is a serious crime with, I should hope, serious penalties.
      - Wessex Man
        
        see above.
      - Infidelissima
        
        give me examples and proof that Anjem Choudry works for Israel, Abdul.
        
        didn’t think that far? Inbred mutants rarely do.
      - albert pike
        
        “give me examples and proof that Anjem Choudry works for Israel,”
        
        listen to him.
      - Infidelissima
        
        ‘listen to him’, THAT’S your example and proof?
        
        LOL, I now don’t believe your parents are cousins, but rather, brother and sister. Cheers, this made my day.
      - albert pike
        
        So how do you form an opinion of people?
        
        Obviously not by what they say.
      - Infidelissima
        
        my opinion of you is that you’re a bloody mutant!
        you make up shiite and then babble incoherently, in the hope, others will just as inbred and mutated as you are
      - albert pike
        
        “you make up shiite”
        
        I gave you my opinion and I told you how I reach an opinion
        How do you reach opinions, if not by listening, or reading?
      - ButcombeMan
        
        It is not exactly a lie but you are perfectly able to find the answer yourself so your are trolling.
      - albert pike
        
        There are numerous cases of postal vote fraud, the person I was questioning didn’t seem to know that, and I just wished to clarify the fact as with violence or any crime it is only important to take note of it when carried out by a moslem.
      - ButcombeMan
        
        Or a Freemason?
      - albert pike
        
        Yes, a very protective bunch. Even protect those with less savoury habits
    - rj
      
      What?! You mean we can’t trust good olde Albert?
      
      Next you’ll be telling me he’s hiding behind a sock-puppet for a moniker. 🙂
  - will91
    
    Read about the Grand Mufti himself, Lutfur Rahman.
  - vieuxceps2
    
    Tower…..er….I forget the rest.
  - TNT
    
    Oh, Abdul. Still here, trying to defend the hideous ‘faith’ generated by a mass-murdering paedophile 1400 years ago. By definition, Muslims are all mentally ill, but you excel in demonstrating the fact.
    - albert pike
      
      I don’t see what voting irregularities have to do with religion
      Israel is a paedophile’s paradise according to Israeli media, should we assume all Israelis are paedophiles?
      - TNT
        
        It’s in the nature of your religion to be deceitful – your ‘prophet’ was a psychopath who painted himself as a messenger from God – and a billion donkeys believe him. Muslims to this day follow this example of calling their behaviour by the opposite of what it is, or denying that it has even taken place. If there is paedophilia in Israel, it will be exposed and punished. In Muslim countries it is simply called marriage. You keep trying to deflect, and you keep on failing.
      - Infidelissima
        
        ‘Israel is a pedophile’s paradise’
        
        yes, your are a typical inbred indeed.
        Thank you for making it so easy for me.
      - Jen The Blue
        
        If ones religion does not accept democracy as a concept, as Islam does not, then abuse of a democratic system for the promotion of Islam would be normal. Where are nearly all the postal vote abuses happening? In constituencies with a large Muslim population.
        Quite a lot of Muslims live in Israel too! Like Rotherham.
      - albert pike
        
        So when Dame Shirley Porter committed electoral fraud and ran off to Israel to escape implementation of her sentence, should we blame her criminality on the fact she is a jew, and start demonizing all jews?
      - Jen The Blue
        
        No. Neither am I demonizing all Muslims…I am just pointing out what Muslims believe. I have read the Koran and many Hadith. I hear Muslims lying about their religion all the time. It seems to be second nature to them…….but then……it is isn’t it? Taqiyya……….to deceive for the betterment of ones faith.
        Mohammed said “war is deceit”. He lied a lot…..that perfect example of humanity.
      - albert pike
        
        Your spelling is not very good Jed.
        
        Mossad is spelt M O S S A D and the correct phrase, their motto, is:
        
        “By Way of Deception, Thou Shalt Do War.”.
        
        “.I am just pointing out what Muslims believe.”
        
        No, you are pointing out your opinion and what you want other people to believe.
      - dodosushi
        
        Go away.
      - Wessex Man
        
        Did you hear about dear old Magaret Hodge albie?
      - Jen The Blue
        
        Taqiyya. Where did I mention MOSSAD? Now I am not an expert on MOSSAD, however, since you bring them up and their motto, a quick google search reveals this:
        Motto[edit]
        
        Mossad’s former motto, be-tachbūlōt ta`aseh lekhā milchāmāh (Hebrew: בתחבולות תעשה לך מלחמה‎) is a quote from the Bible (Proverbs 24:6): “For by wise guidance you can wage your war” (NRSV). The motto was later changed to another Proverbs passage: be-‘éyn tachbūlōt yippol `ām; ū-teshū`āh be-rov yō’éts (Hebrew: באין תחבולות יפול עם, ותשועה ברוב יועץ‎, Proverbs 11:14). This is translated by NRSV as: “Where there is no guidance, a nation falls, but in an abundance of counselors there is safety.”
      - Jen The Blue
        
        I should have added, paedophilia is a crime in Israel, whereas it is legal in most of the Muslim world.
      - albert pike
        
        “I should have added, paedophilia is a crime in Israel, whereas it is legal in most of the Muslim world.”
        
        Just because it is illegal doesn’t mean people are prosecuted.
        Which could be why, according to the israeli media, Israel is a “paedophile’s paradise”
        
        Though in Canada it would appear they treat as a crime
        
        “Canadian police busted the world’s greatest child porn ring.
        350 People were arrested and 400 Children were FREED as
        Canadian Police took down an international pedophile-child porn ring
        with links to Jewish organized crime mob”
        
        http://concisepolitics.com/2015/01/24/canadian-police-bust-jewish-mob-run-pedophile-ring/
      - Jen The Blue
        
        So there are some Jewish paedophiles. I am sure every society has them. The difference is, Islam promotes it. Your chum Mo was wa**ing off on a 6 year olds thighs and have full penetrative sex with her when she was 9 years old. And as we know, Mo is the perfect example of Muslim behaviour. He cannot be criticised without risking your head being severed.
      - albert pike
        
        ” Your chum Mo”
        Are you referring to Numbers 31 vs 17 18 when god told Mo to kill all the men, and women who had had things between their legs, but to keep all the children for themselves?
        
        Mohamid was a man of the book, and the book is tolerant of paedophilia
        
        http://www.romancatholicism.co.uk/paedophileslovebible.html
        
        ” Islam promotes it.”
        
        Yes, that must be why Israel is known as a “paedophile’s paradise”.
        
        Have a search – paedophilia not crime, nothing written by moslems, catholics and jews yes.
      - Jen The Blue
        
        Catholic Doctrine is in the Catechism. That link was just drivel.
        The age of consent is I concede an arbitrary line. In many ancient societies, puberty was the line. But 6 year old, or 9 year old?
        Mohammed was a vicious warlord ……and yes there were doubtless many others around at that time. I am sure he wasn’t the only one. But he decided to found a religion and the trouble is people follow it today.
        The Bible is interpreted by Christians (and Jews) – because though it is the inspired word of God, it is not the “dictated word of Allah”.
        Islam wages war on the infidels who are the enemy of Allah, Christianity teaches us to pray for and love those who persecute us.
        
        So, I genuinely love you Albert….I pray one day you come out of the dark and satanic cult of Islam and join the light and truth and love for all, of Christianity.
      - albert pike
        
        “That link was just drivel”
        
        I think the same of what you write.
        
        “So, I genuinely love you Albert.”
        
        FO
      - Jen The Blue
        
        Well honestly Berty…… the idea that Catholic Priests think having sex with children is OK because they can absolve each other is absurd. Utterly absurd!
        I shall pray for your conversion Albert.
      - albert pike
        
        ” the idea that Catholic Priests think having sex with children is OK because they can absolve each other”
        
        Quite right. Whenever the Catholic church has discovered paedophilia withing its ranks, it immediately calls the police and they, like the BBC and other ‘respectable’ organizations, have NEVER sought to keep their little secrets secret, have they?
        
        You are such a font of wisdom, do keep it up
      - Ancient Alchemist
        
        Just an observation to further muddy the waters and apropos de rien and certainly not an allusion to the ROP !
        
        Charles Manson’s biggest mistake was in not acquiring a critical mass of adoring proselytising acolytes before sending them forth on their murder spree !
        
        Otherwise, America and possibly the world would be a very different place now !
  - Nanko Costers
    
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-32492853
    
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/may/23/police-open-inquiries-allegations-electoral-fraud-uk
  - Wessex Man
    
    er, Daily Mirror banner headline on the 29th April 2015.
    
    Election candidate arrested in Postal vote Fraud Raid.
    
    Quesir Mahmood, Labour council candidate arrested and held for six hours and then bailed. Labour Party suspends him.
    
    Is that OK for you? Can’t understand how the Speccie missed it, oh hang on he’s not a UKip member is he!
    - albert pike
      
      Postal voting has always been a fraud. Elections are a fraud. The whole system is a fraud. Perhaps all politicians are moslems
  - Airey Belvoir
    
    There was postal voting fraud last time around (in Birmingham, I think) that a Judge said ‘would disgrace a banana republic.’
    - albert pike
      
      Only relevant if they were moslems Interestingly it’s the same judge as in the Tower Hamlets case.
      
      Postal voting has always been fraudulent and should be totally abolished.
      - Airey Belvoir
        
        Agreed, it should be limited to servicemen and diplomats overseas and registered disabled, or maybe with a GP’s note. And postal votes should not be mixed in with others as now, in case of dispute.
      - albert pike
        
        Not a bad idea, though in times of war, perhaps it would be better to disallow servicemen a vote, just in case one party was against the war.
        Seriously, though, postal votes have be registered in the borough that the voter last resided – that’s the crucial thing.
  - ButcombeMan
    
    http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/164609/Electoral-fraud-review-final-report.pdf
- albert pike
  
  “Trojan horse schools”
  
  What’s a Trojan horse school?
  - Infidelissima
    
    pi$$ off
  - freddiethegreat
    
    One where the pork is disguised as horse
    - Damaris Tighe
      
      There won’t be pork in school dinners much longer (it has already been removed in many schools). The Trojan Horse by other means. Long live pork!
      - freddiethegreat
        
        Except a number of us routinely jab supermarket meat with pork dipped needles.
      - Ivan Ewan
        
        I’d really rather you didn’t. It’s very unhygienic, and this tactic ONLY works when Muslims know that you’re doing it.
  - Roger Hudson
    
    Do you sometimes feel that your existence is futile, Albert?
  - j33per
    
    You’ve just proven to be a fuckwit!
  - Tim Bake
    
    A school where horses learn to wear big condoms.
  - Simon Fay
    
    Just ignore the c**t. He’s clearly a wind-up merchant who’d be playing mind-games with parents over their missing kids if he didn’t have access to the net.
- albert pike
  
  “Police protected hate preachers”
  
  If you are referring Adnan Chaudrey, he’s working for Israel and MI5 or 6 or probably both
  - Infidelissima
    
    are your parents cousins, you imbecile?
  - Tom Allalone
    
    Jesus, they’re late with the medication this morning
  - vieuxceps2
    
    Or even all three.
  - sebastian2
    
    One sign that someone’s working for the other side is their unshakeable commitment to their cover personality and story. So you may be right.
    
    But who are YOU working for?
  - right1_left1
    
    Who does Chaudry ‘work’ for ?
    Israel I can understand.
    Don’t necessarily agree but can understand.
    
    Mi6 only if it is also under the influence of Israel.
    I have very serious worries about establishment ‘behind the scenes’ opinon on Islam in the UK.
    
    Just as what appears to be an almost certain cover up re Genna of Lester (et al) so something very odd is going on re Islam.
  - Infidelissima
    
    now it’s OUR turn to say: proof! examples! links!
- albert pike
  
  “Corrupt civil administration”
  
  Examples
  - Zanderz
    
    Tower Hamletts
    - will91
      
      Soon to be Minaret Hamlets
      - freddiethegreat
        
        Islamophobe! That is SO offensive. It is “Minaret lets”. Strictly halaal.
      - sebastian2
        
        There’s a “Ham” in Hamlets. That won’t last, surely.
    - albert pike
      
      “Tower Hamletts”
      
      Have the charges been proven?
      - Damaris Tighe
        
        Yes. You’re like an ostrich (head in sand). Complete disconnect from reality.
      - cartimandua
        
        Yes
      - Roger Hudson
        
        You should get out more, Albert.
      - freddiethegreat
        
        Syria is nice at this time of year
      - vieuxceps2
        
        Well, Lutfur’s been ousted.New election needed. Ordered to pay costs, forbidden to stand again.Let us hope the charges don’t get proved, eh?
  - blandings
    
    “Corrupt civil administration”
    Examples
    
    Oh yes of course:Tower Hamlets.
    Thanks for reminding me pikey.
- albert pike
  
  “Grooming gangs in dozens of cities etc etc etc”
  
  Proof, and do you really care about children being exploited for sex?
  - Infidelissima
    
    go away you vile troll
  - blandings
    
    “Proof, and do you really care about children being exploited for sex?”
    
    Go read Professor Jay’s report
    It contain’s more proof than most civilised people can stomach.
    - will91
      
      Off the top of my head: Rochdale, Oxford, Derby, Luton, Rotherham, Manchester, Bristol.
  - logdon
    
    Proof?
    
    Are you a troglodite?
  - Bonkim
    
    It is legal under Sharia though – it is a blessing not grooming.
  - cartimandua
    
    Possibly up to a million victims over 25 years.
    - Ivan Ewan
      
      To add to the historical tally of some 280 million people in 1400 years.
  - LittleRedRidingHood
    
    They you go fella.
    
    https://kafircrusaders.wordpress.com/muslim-grooming-paedo-map/
    
    Take it you still haven’t read it. Now there’s no excuse.
    Fill your boots.
  - Speedy
    
    “exploited for sex”
    
    That’s one way of putting it. Another way of putting it would be mass-rape on a scale not seen since 1945
    - albert pike
      
      There are many ways of putting it some would be factual, some no, you have choosen the latter
  - LittleRedRidingHood
    
    Had chance to digest the contents of the link?
    
    Makes you want to puke doesn’t it?
    
    Only the ROP and the progressive acolytes don’t care about child sex exploitation. Most decent respectable human beings do.
    Shame you fall into the former category and not the latter.
- albert pike
  
  “Vote UKIP”
  
  And be a good racist
  - Infidelissima
    
    If only everybody were as tolerant and non racist as you lovely muslims, ey?
    
    VOTE UKIP.
  - john p reid
    
    Sh@t I voted labour, and Diane Abbotts a racist, must mean I’m a racist too?
    - Luke Glass
      
      Most Laboutite’s seem to be racist (and sexist): Apparently women and non-whites are incapable of standing on their own two feet.
      - john p reid
        
        The all women short lists of 97 we were going to win such a big majority it was a step up, no positive descriimntion, regarding Labour having AllBlack women shortlist for London mayoral elections, it must have took courage for A few of the black women ot canvass in the east End or parts of Kent, knowing they may get racism on the door step
        
        I don’t know if A white man canvassed in Tottenham for the Tories if he ever got anti white racism on the door step?
        
        I don’t think the sexism of Islam, hating women, is the same as quotas labour has had to have, say 3 women in the Shadow cabinet, going back to the mid 80’s
    - dodosushi
      
      Whenever I see or hear the words Dianne Abbot I feel sick.
  - logdon
    
    Call yourself Albert Pike and be a good Muslim.
    - Icebow
      
      ‘Albert’ is a silly name for a pike.
      On Weasel Zippers, all trolls get deleted.
  - Roger Hudson
    
    You poor, demented sod.
  - LittleRedRidingHood
    
    Damn right.
  - vieuxceps2
    
    Racist,eh? Better than being “children of apes and monkeys” as the Koran has it.Your Islam enables your mind to shit without chewing,it eats the pre-digested dross and dust of rational thought.No doubt it is the will of allah……
  - norm
    
    wow you must be a MUSo
  - Neil2
    
    OK. Don’t forget Bigoted Little Englander heterosexist if you want to smear us properly.
  - dodosushi
    
    Tunc.
- Johnny Foreigner
  
  Can’t all the above be laid at the floor of UKIP? Hasn’t there been a mass misdirection on their part to fool the British public? Next you’ll be trying to convince us, that the BBC is a balanced, non-partisan organisation, reporting the truth, unquestionably unbiased and sincere.
  - Jack
    
    In what sense is UKIP responsible for the proliferation of sharia courts?
    - Johnny Foreigner
      
      You = Doctor, what is irony?
      Doctor = Didn’t you just see it fly past your head?
      Me = Wake up Jack. Batman can’t help you on this one.
      - Jack
        
        Is that supposed to answer my question? It’s also just a picture; I didn’t take it myself, I don’t know Batman, and I can’t ask pixels for help. Very witty though, like a young Spike Milligan. I would like you to answer my question however, or are you content to go through life never having to actually think about anything?
      - Johnny Foreigner
        
        Irony (from Ancient Greek εἰρωνεία (eirōneía), meaning “dissimulation, feigned ignorance”[1]), in its broadest sense, is a rhetorical device, literary technique, or event in which what appears, on the surface, to be the case, differs radically from what is actually the case. Irony may be divided into categories such as: verbal,dramatic, and situational.
        
        Now go and hang your head in shame Jack.
      - Jack
        
        In what sense is UKIP responsible for the proliferation of sharia courts? It’s a simple question.
      - Chagrin
        
        Wow. Just wow.
      - Johnny Foreigner
        
        Is this Labour’s schools policy, working?
      - Jack
        
        The inability to answer a question, especially given a large word limit, is quite a reliable marker of stupidity. An even stronger marker is self-congratulation and group approval seeking in lieu of any substance of opinion. Now, let’s try one more time: In what way is UKIP responsible for the existence of sharia courts in the UK?
      - James Young
        
        FFS Jack, he was bloody joking!
      - Jack
        
        Well aware Youngy. It’s damn entertaining to see how long he might take to answer the question without sounding like a pompous, self-entitled 13 year old boy who’s read The Week a few times and thinks he’s nailed cutting ‘banter’.
      - Johnny Foreigner
        
        An extremely weak reposte. No Jack, you bit. Jack my lad, it’s back to the Shaming Room for you. Now, don’t come out until I say. Off you go now.
      - Jack
        
        Devastating. Love the use of ‘lad’ by the way. You don’t see that on Spectator comment threads much. It’s cutting, I promise. Just to clear things up by the way, you were being sarcastic, not ironic. To find out what irony is, a pretentious idiot posted a definition somewhere nearby.
      - Fried Ch’i
        
        No he wasn’t.
      - Wessex Man
        
        Ha ha said the Clown.
      - Ancient Alchemist
        
        The irony is – that it isn’t!
      - Chagrin
        
        One irony created another irony. And now the whole thing is disappearing up it’s own arris.
      - Johnny Foreigner
        
        I’m giving up being ironic, it works too well.
      - Chagrin
        
        Why does it work too well? Go on. Answer a simple question.
      - Johnny Foreigner
        
        Ha,ha.
      - Nanko Costers
        
        You must be new here. The average Spectator commenter doesn’t “do” irony or sarcasm.
      - Callipygian
        
        There is an ‘average’ Spectator commenter? I hadn’t noticed. And I’ve never seen you here, either.
      - Hamburger
        
        As far as I can tell only the Ukip supporters are a humour and an irony free contingent. Is it in their manifesto? It should be.
      - Hamburger
        
        No, please don’t, it helps keep me alive.
      - ButcombeMan
        
        Dont give up I enjoyed that thread.
        
        Jack is either extraordinarily thick or pulling your leg.
        
        I am going for the former.
      - Larry
        
        how much is too well go back if your dissatisfied I won’t complain
      - Johnny Foreigner
        
        Hoots man, I’m noooh Sassenach.
      - Larry
        
        who really cares when is ramadan for Muslims they should be caring of if they are wanted here at all how dare they wanting UK to change for them !!!
      - Jankers
        
        try sarcasm, that works a treat in comments sections.
      - Jack
        
        Surely “Wow” on its own is ‘just wow’? You sound like a character from Clueless.
      - Chagrin
        
        Calm down fella.
      - Jack
        
        Ah yes, pretending I’m getting angry on literally no grounds, as if typing something requires exertion. I was wondering when this would come up.
      - Declan
        
        This comment thread reads like the script of a comedy double act with Jack playing the straight character.
      - Jack
        
        Brutal. I’m ruined.
      - Fried Ch’i
        
        That sums it up nicely.
      - Jack
        
        Damn. Another table turned on me. You’re good.
      - The_Infidel_01
        
        Dude, I think he was being sarcastic. the left will always try to blame ukip, to cover their tracks that it was in fact they themselves that harboured these disgusting beings. Hope that helps.
      - Jack
        
        He was being sarcastic. Not sure why he posted the definition of irony like a pompous tw*t then. He could have quite easily said that he was being sarcastic, but he refused to, being the pompous tw*t that he is. As you say, people do often take that line, so I thought it best to check.
      - The_Infidel_01
        
        Is all good, never met him, never conversed with him, so don’t know anything about him.
        We need to give each other a bit of leeway, as it can get very tense when constantly dealing with satanic worshipers (muslims, lefties).
        I personally like to humour at the left and their allies, they hate humour with a passion, it is like holy water to a vampire, it burns, buuuurrrrnnnnsss argh, LOL.
      - ButcombeMan
        
        Be a good lad and read yourself up on it all.
        
        http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/english/melani/english2/handouts/irony.pdf
      - Trojan
        
        The answer is simple.
        UKIP are responsible for all things that are bad.
        Sharia court are things that are bad.
        Therefore
        UKIP are responsible for the proliferation of sharia courts
      - Fried Ch’i
        
        The proles will continue reading Lidl and just won’t get it!
        My work is done here.
      - Wessex Man
        
        oh come now, you have never worked, you have just sat in your dark room tolling the internet trying and failing to be funny.
      - SPW
        
        Your post ironic, nope. Confused, yes.
      - Johnny Foreigner
        
        The level of education, one has to swim with sometimes, is truly appalling.
    - jim
      
      Keep it simple lads. VOTE UKIP..That is all….
      - Trini’s dad
        
        Der latta irony in Islam ‘mon. Me tell you dis, you clueless ‘mon.
      - Ancient Alchemist
        
        The radical Moslem would like to behead you, the Kuffir or infidel!
        The moderate Moslem would like the radical Moslem to do it for him!
- Speedy
  
  Islam gave us all these wonderful things – in alliance with Labour and the left.
  
  Are you still voting for them Rod?
  - Callipygian
    
    I suspect not.
  - Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves
    
    There’s Rod Liddle with a big gravy stain all down his shirt. With that solid custard out of custard creams on his sleeves. He’s got some Bovril on his chin, Rod Liddle. Oh, and he’s got cream cheese all around his collar in a little gutter. He slurps at it as it passes his mouth ,which has all sticky melted toffe around it. Rod Liddle. He’s got Cornish pasty stains on his fingers and in his hair and old Battenberg cake on his shoe.
    - little islander
      
      RL is an English national treasure?
    - Wessex Man
      
      It’s best if you have nothing useful to say to shut it.
    - tykegirl
      
      There’s Yvon and Barry Stuart-Hargreaves with smugness oozing from every pore, self-satisfaction dripping from their nostrils. Oh, and there they are busy patting themselves on the back whilst grooming their wonderfully superior values….
    - stuartMilan
      
      if this metaphor was any more strained it would have piles
    - rodliddle
      
      are you alright?
      - Yvon & Barry Stuart-Hargreaves
        
        Have you never been to a Stewart Lee gig?
        Rod Liddle is the butt of more jokes than Farage and Nuttall. Usually about being a shambles and a messy eater.
      - rodliddle
        
        No. Can’t think why I’ve never been to a Stewart Lee gig. I have this old fashioned thing of liking comedians to be funny, I guess.
  - little islander
    
    He is. Read the part about Douglas Murray. So what?, he’s saying.
- Dominic Andrews
  
  Honour killings, groomings and female genital mutilation are not prescribed in the Islamic faith, these are cultural problems that happen amongst non-Muslims too.
- Daniel Holland
  
  I don’t think most britons realize that Islam has to be dealt with sooner rather than later.
  - Jon Stone
    
    I don’t think you realise that you’ll go to your death bed still vowing this to be the case, even if you live to 200.
    - Daniel Holland
      
      I hope I am wrong. But I doubt it
      - Jon Stone
        
        Islam’s been around for thousands of years. The Middle East has been in conflict all our lifetimes. Britain has absorbed supposed ‘invasions’ from other cultures before, notably the Irish. Nothing about this is particularly new and no historical precedent suggests we will come to some kind of breaking point and ‘deal’ with it; rather, we will go on bitterly complaining and tussling until something else comes along and some new narrative of conflict rises to take its place.
      - Fred Dumbar
        
        Sure. Not a problem at all. As long as you don’t care about things like freedom of speech, democracy, freedom of religion.
        Not a problem at all.
      - Jon Stone
        
        Those things aren’t under serious threat from Islam. They are under threat from our own government, however.
- Shelleigh Marlo
  
  Come friendly bombs and fall on Slough!
  It isn’t fit for humans now,
  There isn’t grass to graze a cow.
  Swarm over, Death!
  
  .. It’s not their fault they do not know
  The birdsong from the radio,
  It’s not their fault they often go
  To Maidenhead
  
  (seat of Ms May)
Fraser Bailey

The future is terrifying. Indeed, the future is already upon us in places like Rotherham. And the staggering thing is that Miliband is a Jew – he will be the first to have his throat cut when he has played the role of useful idiot for long enough. Stabbing his brother in the back was as nothing compared to stabbing the entire Judeo-Christian heritage in the back. And presumably, under the new law, I would be criminalised for saying that I don’t like ISIS.
- Always_Worth_Saying
  
  Outside of Israel the Jew is always in minority. It is second nature for the Jew to manipulate other minorities against the majority for the benefit of the Jew. Like water seeping through a crack.
  - Infidelissima
    
    with comments such as this one, is it a wonder no jews would ever trust somebody like you?
  - cartimandua
    
    And how do they do that? The entire number of Jews in this country is tiny. Muslims however breed like rabbits. Their family sizes are larger than others and there is no Muslim country they seem to want to live in. The majority of asylum seekers seem to be Muslim.
    - freddiethegreat
      
      Are rabbits halaal? If not, you are an Islamophobe
      - Mow_the_Grass
        
        LOL
      - freddiethegreat
        
        HI, Mow!
  - EHGombrich
    
    For America and France this probably holds true, in Britain Jews aren´t as left.
    - Damaris Tighe
      
      What about Cameron? He wants a law against ‘Islamophabia’ as well.
      - EHGombrich
        
        What does that have to do with American and French Jews being AWR lefties?
      - Damaris Tighe
        
        My point is that non-Jews also demand laws against ‘Islamophobia’. One of the best American conservative websites, http://www.frontpagemag.org, is run by a Jew & most of his contributors are Jewish. In France many ordinary Jews are now supporting FN.
      - EHGombrich
        
        12 % support the FN. 88 % don´t. Of course Horowitz of fpm didn´t vote for Obama but 80% of American Jews did. Only blacks voted for Obama in higher numbers. So I don´t care if there are individual Jews who are the most reactionary conservatives, as a group they are just not the natural allies of proper conservatives, even if many on the right sport some kind of weird judeophilia. Israel on the other hand is a different matter. Israel has the only Western population that would have voted for McCain.
      - Damaris Tighe
        
        In the past most anti-semitism came from the right, even centre-right. American WASPs & the British upper classes were known for it. Jews were excluded from American country clubs until very recently. That’s why many Jews are still wary of conservatism.
      - EHGombrich
        
        I do understand where it´s coming from. The Holocaust and centuries of persecution at the hands of the white man certainly left their mark. That´s why they aren´t exactly pro white Christian. But that´s what Always worth saying is basically saying.
      - Damaris Tighe
        
        Living in Israel concentrates the mind wonderfully.
      - Ivan Ewan
        
        I used to read it more often, but they’re so keen to peddle defeatism – they routinely run rather smug articles about how the UK and Europe are doomed with not a glimmer of hope for salvation – that they might as well be working for the enemy at this point.
        
        It’s all a bit Denethor-esque.
- Ivan Ewan
  
  No. You will be criminalised for refusing to say that Isis has nothing to do with Islam.
albert pike

All great revolutions try to eliminate hate. The English civil war, French revolution and the Russian revolution all outlawed anti-semitisism. Ed is just being trendy and will nothing to say against any fought against moslem countries, other than they are necessary.
- Infidelissima
  
  I haven’t seen Jews carrying placard reading ‘Behead those who insult Judaism’, ‘Judaism will dominate the world’, ‘Kill all infidels’, etc
  
  To compare Jews, who have been integrated and contributing members of British, French and Russian society for hundreds of years, to Muslims, who can not live in peace with anybody, not even their own, is like comparing a ceramic fruit bowl, to the trainspotting toilet.
  - logdon
    
    Nicely put.
    
    Spot on.
  - albert pike
    
    “I haven’t seen Jews carrying placards reading ‘Behead those who insult Judaism'”
    
    Neither did you see them carrying placards for people guilty of antisemitism not be executed
    
    “To compare Jews, who have been integrated and contributing members”
    
    what exactly do they contribute?
    - Mow_the_Grass
      
      Listen you moron – where ever has a Jew proclaimed that anyone ‘guilty of anti-Semitism….be executed’
      Execution we leave happily to you and your fellow mohammedans – who are busy perfecting it right now all across the arab/muslim ME/Maghreb/Zahel.
      And btw in terms of contribution – google Nobel prize winners.
      Sad for you and your bunch – just a couple.
      ps – must try harder
    - Ivan Ewan
      
      The computer you’re using at the moment you read this has certainly got components in it designed by Jews, perhaps even in Israel itself.
      
      You’ll just have to throw it away and never use a filthy Jewish computer again, won’t you?
      
      🙂
    - Infidelissima
      
      google Noble Prize winners
      p.s.: i have to say that for 1.6 billion Muslims, to have won a total of 7 Nobel Prizes, must be indeed excruciatingly embarrassing
      oh wait, you’re all mouth foaming inbred troglodytes… nevermind.
  - Damaris Tighe
    
    Nor have Jews demanded that the content of school dinners be changed for their convenience.
  - Luke Glass
    
    You obviously haven’t read the Torah/Bible.
    - Damaris Tighe
      
      Judaism isn’t biblically fundamentalist. It’s based on two thousand years of rabbinical re-interpretation of the Torah. That’s why Jews don’t stone adulterers.
      - Infidelissima
        
        Jews also don’t run around carrying placards with threats of the 6,000 year old Torah stamped on them, and then follow through with them
        
        not that Luke Glass would understand this subtle difference
      - Damaris Tighe
        
        Quite.
    - Damaris Tighe
      
      There was a typo in my reply – ‘is’ for ‘isn’t’. Now edited.
    - Infidelissima
      
      you obviously haven’t read my post
      read it again
- Damaris Tighe
  
  The revolutions you mention outlawed institutional persecution of Jews & their inequality under the law. Muslims have full equality under our law.
  
  Modern antisemitism is usually racial, not religious. The Conservative Muslim who tweeted that she could never vote for Miliband “the Jew” knew full well that he has never practised the religion. Therefore her objection is racial.
  
  So-called Islamophobia is criticism of a freely chosen set of religious ideas, not of a biological race. There are already laws against racial prejudice. A Muslim can be of any race.
  
  There is no analogy between antisemistism & ‘Islamophobia’. A crime of ‘Islamophobia’ is simply an attempt to shut down criticism of a religion. Why not Christianophobia as well? There’s plenty of harsh criticism of Christianity around. A crime of ‘Islamophobia’ is simply privileging one religion above others. Which is to be expected when that religion is supremicist.
  - Mow_the_Grass
    
    Way to complicated and erudite for a mere foot soldier like ahmed aka ‘albert pike’ to comprehend.
    He/she will have to refer back to its handlers before responding.
    Race/religion aspect will have it totally confused.
  - albert pike
    
    “Modern antisemitism is usually racial,”
    
    Modern antisemitism is a charge hurled at anyone questioning the legitimacy Israel’s brutality, or any other subject that paints zionism as a threat to its neighbours far and wide.
    - Damaris Tighe
      
      Which is why Muslims call Miliband ‘the Jew’, shoot random customers in kosher supermarkets & little children outside their school in France just because they’re Jews is it?
      - Ivan Ewan
        
        According to the BBC it is.
        
        I badly want UKIP to succeed in tearing the BBC to pieces.
      - Damaris Tighe
        
        That interview in Paris was a disgrace.
Always_Worth_Saying

This is a blasphemy law. A one sided blasphemy law that protects only muslims. But Rod misses the point completely when he draws a distinction between ‘Islam’ and ‘muslims’. No critisism whatever will be allowed of any muslim – no matter what the circumstances.
- john p reid
  
  Probably ,those who were outraged by Mary Whitehouse ,38 years ago, prosecuting gay times for a blasphemous poem, where Jesus got aroused in the cross, for fancying a roman soldier
  
  Are the same ones who. Want this law, and would want those who criticize Islam ,ala Charlie Hebdo, nicked, for pointing out Islam is a wee bit homophobic.
Zanderz

Yet you will still vote for them?
anyfool

Are you still voting Labour, has the red assed donkey, or should it now be camel, still got you by the nuts..
Infidelissima

Exit Islamophobia, enter Islamonausea.
- Icebow
  
  This:
  http://pislamonauseacentral.tumblr.com/
Nicetime

“Not all of them believe that democracy is — much as Hitler saw it — evil, decadent and weak”

If Miliband becomes PM and makes ‘Islamophobia’ illegal (whatever that means), it may be that Hitler and the Islamists are right, about that at least
cartimandua

Homophobes actually become violent towards gays so it is not irrational to be concerned about “homophobes”.
- Robbydot1
  
  Especially Muslim ones.
- Luke Glass
  
  People who merely find the act of two guy kissing repulsive are branded homophobes.
  That doesn’t mean they hate them, or wish them any harm.
  - cartimandua
    
    Real homophobes are in the closet and it is linked to violent behaviour.
    Secure people are just not “bothered” by seeing people kiss.
    Attacks on gays have risen in recent years.
    So no real homophobia is not just personal dislike. It is a dangerous irrational hatred for people who are not criminals and do no harm to others.
    People who are disgusted by Islam are disgusted by a set of beliefs which are not compatible with western civilization and which leads to a great deal of harm to others.
    - Luke Glass
      
      Tell that to the Alphabet Soup Group
cartimandua

But yes a law about Islamophobia would be a blasphemy law advantaging the religion least compatible with western civilization.
john p reid

Rod ,I took your advice voted Labour, mainly for Blue Labour,although doubt we’ll win ,I too agree with what you say have I voted myself into getting arrested?
- Damaris Tighe
  
  John, vote Blue Labour get Red Labour.
  - john p reid
    
    Yes well, there’s always the next election.
    - MikeF
      
      If you vote Labour often enough you may reach a situation where there won’t be a ‘next election’.
      - john p reid
        
        True,but some people voted labour in the 80’s as they always had, knowing they wouldn’t win
        
        But when the stories took the vote away from the very poor with the poll tax, or saw thousands of people sleeping rough in the streets,not part of society, there wasn’t an election for them
  - MikeF
    
    You sound nice and bouncy today Damaris. There is a massive struggle for western civilisation on the way and we all have to be up for it.
    - Damaris Tighe
      
      I think my problem was I stopped taking my fish oil capsule! My brain went foggy.
      - MikeF
        
        Well don’t go to the other extreme and start ODing on them.
BillRees

Rod,

I agree with your article. How anyone can read the Koran and think any differently is beyond me. But it makes it even more puzzling that you are prepared to vote Labour.

Mind you, after his antics this week I assume that Miliband will also make it illegal to disparage Russell Brand.
- Robbydot1
  
  I think Rod’s winding us up.
  - Mc
    
    Yes, he’s setting the stage for a post-election column about why he did / didn’t vote Labour.
    
    To make his ballot casting experience more interesting, I’d recommend Liddle dons his burkha on the day. He’ll fit right in with the other deep-voiced, hairy-legged, bearded ladies attired in burkhas lining up to vote (especially the ones whose ID and face don’t tally).
jack

I fear that Miliband has lost his fear of Islam and that by talking from his arsehole the Islamists will be able to smell him a mile away.
mrangryextele

Virtually all reasonable laws are obeyed, not because they are the law, but because reasonable people would do that anyway. If you obey a law simply because it is the law, that’s a pretty likely sign that it shouldn’t be a law.
logdon

Sacranie has form yet Labour ennobled him.

He was instrumental in organising the Satanic Verses furore in Bradford, bussing in hordes of illiterate Pakistanis bent on killing a blasphemous kuffar which then engulfed the world.

On Salman Rushdie, he said ‘ Perhaps death would be too easy for him’.

So if I said similar things about Sacranie himself, or for instance Lutfar Rahman, would I end up as Sir Logdon?

Just imagine?

No, neither can I.
- logdon
  
  Disqus is not allowing edit.
  
  Lutfur.
  - Damaris Tighe
    
    Just call him Lutfu*ck.
Stephen Milroy

With laws like this Labour deserve to lose all their seats in the UK, not just in Scotland.
- Fraser Bailey
  
  Well, they have deserved that for many years. But there are many people who have a vested interest in bankrupting the country and destroying the West.
- Luke Glass
  
  SNP’s laws are even worse: We’re heading straight into Orwell’s nightmare.
James

Worrying that in the UK – not agreeing with a particular political party makes you racist, mentally ill and abnormal.
ill-liberal

Still going to vote for them ??
CharleyFarleyFive

And yet, like the seemingly endless herd of other muppets you’re still going to vote Labour. You’re a strange man Liddle.
- Icebow
  
  Surely he’s just winding us up?
freddiethegreat

The lefty censorship brigade out in force today I see!
Peter Stroud

Miliband shows us again that he will do anything for votes. Don’t vote for him Rod, he is dangerous.
- EnglandLaments
  
  Nail on the head!
  Hopefully his ridiculous mockney interview with the millionaire Russell Brand will seal his fate.
Sansa Stark

Aren’t the Tories promising the same thing?

We’re doomed regardless. Conservatives, Labour, Lib Dems, SNP- all in love with far right Islamic Ideology.
- Mow_the_Grass
  
  ‘far right Islamic Ideology’
  Not sure Islamic Ideology ie Islam can be defined in terms of left or right.
  Islam is Islam
  Its a religious cult which does not have a political bias.
  In the arab/muslim ME its all about clans/tribes/families battling for control of territory/resources.
  but you are correct – Islam is an existential threat to western culture.
  - Luke Glass
    
    It’s because people now confuse Right-Wing with Authoritarian; even though the Nazi’s were relatively Left-Wing.
    - Mow_the_Grass
      
      Except Hitler was a national socialist
      - Icebow
        
        And now we have Scottish National Socialists, and have to contemplate an ‘insturgeoncy’.
    - Ivan Ewan
      
      Relatively. By my reckoning their political contradictions put them just left of centre, but at the very height of authoritarianism.
- ukipforbritain
  
  We’re not doomed. What’s rearing its head on the horizon is something the Islamosfascists, Labour, Conservatives, Liberals, SNP and Greens fear. It won’t be pretty, but it will be destructive. We should make every reasonable effort to avoid that future – and this article is a superb rejoinder to those fools that think the country can carry on as it is.
goodsoldier

Rod shouldn’t bother bragging about his bravery standing up to Islam. He is a ninny who pretends to care about ‘equality’ and the gap between the rich and the poor, and will vote Labour to salve his bleeding heart, or so he wants us to suspect. Really, he doesn’t want to lose all his friends and connections by voting UKIP. His trophy wife wouldn’t like missing all the chi-chi dinner parties among the creme-de-la-creme. I doubt she loves him for his body, mind, and inner-UKIP.
- Icebow
  
  Millwall have been relegated. Have some sympathy!
Hippograd

A law against Islamophobia will be a perfectly logical extension of laws protecting an even more powerless and oppressed group, as Rod is already aware:

It began as a series of tasteless, vulgar conversations about race, religion and sex on a football fan website, but it could end with Rod Liddle, the former Today editor turned controversial columnist, being denied the chance to edit the Independent. Liddle felt compelled to explain in the Jewish Chronicle today why he posted a comment on the fan forum Millwall Online complaining that he couldn’t smoke at Auschwitz. In his article for the paper, Liddle described as “absurd” suggestions that he is antisemitic.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2010/jan/22/rod-liddle-quip-auschwitz-millwall

You don’t want to cross the powerless and oppressed.
- Mow_the_Grass
  
  Thanks for the link.
- Ivan Ewan
  
  I would hardly describe the left-wing hand-wringing brigade as powerless or oppressed.
  - Hippograd
    
    Neither would I. But I wasn’t referring to them. I was referring to the powerless and oppressed group who put Rod Liddle on the carpet to explain his comments about not being able to smoke at Auschwitz. He repented of his sin, but he didn’t get the editorship of the Independent.
    - Ivan Ewan
      
      Right, the left-wing hand-wringing brigade. Do you want to add any substance to your insinuations, or is it going to be a pointless back-and-forth?
      - Hippograd
        
        Alas, insinuation is a necessary evil in a fallen world.
      - Ivan Ewan
        
        Perhaps you could write a book about it. “Protocols of the Elders of a People I Won’t Specify Who I Think Are Secretly Ruling The World” is a bit of a mouthful though. “Meine Unterstellung”, perhaps?
      - Hippograd
        
        Do we need another book along those lines? Not with David Icke on the job, I would have thought. And what evidence is there that the group in question has any special power? The hounding of poor Greville Janner surely proves otherwise. Can’t a hard-working philanthropist unwind occasionally?
EnglandLaments

The irony of Islam. Wherever Islam takes root, rational enquiry is replaced with superstition. The result is poverty of both the body corporal and of the mind. People who live in Islamic states vote with their feet, tramping across wastelands and paying people traffickers a fortune to escape the resulting ignorance, want, violence and disease wrought by this most pernicious of all faiths. The unfortunate thing is that these poor unfortunates bring their mad belief system with them, ultimately inflicting the same conditions on their new, host societies.
Something has to be done to save Europe from itself – we cannot allow ourselves to be overrun by this alien ideology.
statechaos

Still Labouring under a misapprehension?
Luke Glass

You forgot about Swinophobia: Which is exactly what Muslims (and Jews) suffer from.
- Damaris Tighe
  
  Miliband clearly doesn’t.
  - Luke Glass
    
    Indeed. For someone who misclaimed to be Britains potential first PM from Yahweh’s Master Race…
- Ivan Ewan
  
  Jews don’t want to eat pork because the OT said it was unhygienic. A lot of Muslims believe that even touching a pig will send you to hell.
  
  In Israel, some outposts make use of guard pigs. I kid you not.
JSC

One of the most malignant things, and frequently over-looked, about Islam is the susceptibility of the hierarchical social structures it creates to be co-opted, or outright taken over, by extremists. It’s teachings produce an effect whereby the most fanatical and fundamental of its members rise to the top and gain authority and control over the resources of the community – even when their views no longer represent that of the majority of their community. Once in control these extremists set about their own agenda. Whether this is Islamic charities funnelling embezzled money into international jihadi terror groups, imams demanding your vote, or mosques being used as the centre of operations for plotting domestic terror attacks; the moderately faithful have been shown time and time again to be ostensibly innocently complicit – taking it on faith that their leaders – because they are Muslims – hold the same beliefs as they do and are acting honestly.
- Luke Glass
  
  The same happens in The West through the media and political party democracy; it’s just a bit more difficult.
  - JSC
    
    Very much agreed, but at least we recognise it as a danger and have taken some steps to try and stop it. Most modern / western countries have some variation of ‘checks and balances’ or ‘house of lords’ equivalent. Not so with Islam, it’s all about the ‘holier than thou’ / ‘damned if you disagree’ / Koran thumping mentality.
- ukipforbritain
  
  Moderate Muslims become irrelevant once political Islam gets going. Political Islam is the same type of Isalm preached by Mohammed 1400 years ago.
- Ivan Ewan
  
  I think it started in this country when Labour, in 1997, insisted on addressing groups like Muslims collectively through lobbying organisations, rather than as individual voters.
  
  The cries of “allahu ackbar” from the fanatics must have been very, very loud that night, when the money started pouring in.
  - JSC
    
    100% total agreement. These “community figures” knew they were onto a good thing and set about ensuring the lucre kept flowing by entrenching a separatist culture.
James

2020 we should no longer have FPTP system and no longer will we have to put up with political corruption and enforced ideologies.
- Luke Glass
  
  Too bad all the old biddies who remembered when the vote was and didn’t understand what FPTP is voted for it a few years ago.
Ebst

What about all the other phobias (or just the irrational ones if you like)? So many spiders actually die each year at the hand of these arachnophobia-ites and spiders are real things with a vital place in the ecosystem (step up Ms Bennett), not invisible prophets, sons of gods etc. Time to start locking up people who are scared of spiders, or in fact just don’t like them. Equality for phobias!!! Only Miliband will deliver (or maybe UKIP)!
Luke Glass

Surely a Muslim who isn’t an Islamist, isn’t a Muslim.
- Ivan Ewan
  
  Probably. He would still think he was, though.
  
  I’d love it if the people who claim that Islam is just misinterpreted, could actually provide a peaceful interpretation which isn’t either full of holes or intentionally misleading.
- Infidelissima
  
  ‘There is only 1 Islam’, T.Erdogan
Bonzo

Presumably any such law would have to make it illegal to disparage any religion, as with the Racial and Religious Hatred act 2006. I’m an atheist but it might be fun to convert to Satanism, Islam tends to be rather rude about Shaitan. Wonder how many would end up in court?
- Ivan Ewan
  
  Actually, the Koran directly credits Satan for saving all our lives.
  
  “If Satan had not made you sin,” says Allah, “I would have wiped you all out of existence and replaced you with a people who would sin, so that I might forgive them.”
  
  Satan is a more of a saviour in Islam than Jesus is! It’s hilarious…
  
  http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2014/03/does-allah-want-people-to-sin.html
  - Donafugata
    
    Ever heard the one about the dyslexic Satanist?
    He sold his soul to Santa.
    - Ivan Ewan
      
      He must get his little helpers from somewhere, after all.
sally@firewalk

Miliband and Labour would have preferred if the scandals in Rotherham, Tower hamlets and Birmingham had been allowed to continue if it meant that they could still worship at the alter of multiculturalism. By making ‘Islamophobia’ illegal it is simply attempting to ensure that in future scandals such as these are near impossible to uncover.
Ebst

3.7% of the worlds muslims live in Europe. 75% live in countries where it’s illegal to be gay. 55% in countries that do not believe a wife can be raped. In terms of Islam, it’s the 3.7% who do things like unveil their women that are the extremists.
davidofkent

I doubt that there are many Islamophobes. A phobia is an irrational fear of something. It is entirely rational to be worried about the Islamisation of our country and to be fearful of the wicked murderers who wish to do us harm under the aegis of this religion. It is they who claim that they are killing and maiming to further God’s Will, not me. Hopefully, Ed Miliband will not get into government, but if he does, I think he’ll drop this idea like a hot coal when the rest of his cabinet knock some sense into his head.
- Icebow
  
  In the original Greek, ‘phobos’ just meant ‘fear’ without any suggestion of irrationality. Psychiatry hijacked it, and the muzz schemers re-hijacked it.
John Andrews

Liddle risks being boxed up for inciting racial hatred before the election, bless him.
- Scotty1965
  
  Where in the article is their ANY racial hatred?
  Comments disparaging Islam, or any other religion for that matter, are not in any way, shape or form “racism” no matter how loudly Muslims and their supporters whine that it is!
  - John Andrews
    
    ‘Racism’ used to refer the ‘races’ (Caucasian, Asian, African etc). Since sociologists etc no longer think these are valid categories the term ‘racist’ tends to be used for comments on almost any identifiable group of people.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism
    - Scotty1965
      
      I’ve yet to hear anyone, sociologist or otherwise, refer to disparaging remarks about a religion as “racism”. “Intolerance” I’ve heard, even “bigotry” but not racism. It quite simply ISN’T racism.
      How could it ever possibly be construed as racism when Muslims can be of any race just as Christians and any other religious groups members can?
      - John Andrews
        
        I agree that nobody should use ‘racist’ in connection with Islam. But some people do. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobia#Racism
sebastian2

Indeed. Islamophobia is an invention by mohammedans determined to see pretexts to whine – or riot – wherever their sordid and ungrateful imaginations lead them to discover “offence”. It’s their head trip.

There is, of course on the other hand, islamorealism. This isn’t imaginary. It’s the opposite. It’s what happens when you take a real look at this cult, dispensing with the compulsory deference and stepping well away from the self-serving mohammedan viewpoint that’s ruled discussion for too long. Do this and you’re feet will come to earth like Iron Man crashes crouching and ready onto a pavement.

Milliband’s reckless, lewd promise to seduce mohammedans with a sort of blasphemy law, is doomed to succeed. It won’t work (doomed) but it will massively stiffen peoples’ resolve to tell the truth and resist this crackpot ideology of blood and deception (succeed).

Bring it on!
- Jackthesmilingblack
  
  Bring it off. Miliband.
  - Too Old To Join UKIP
    
    Stupid Japanese bore!
- Benthos
  
  Will it succeed, I would be surprised if they don’t see Miliband as a Jew first?
  - William_Brown
    
    They will utilise the mechanics of Taqiyya and Kitman to get to where they want to be. If it means that a Jew paves the way for the greater Caliphate, then so much the better.
  - sebastian2
    
    So-called Lord Ahmed (Nazir Ahmed of questionable – and fatal actually – driving skills) might. He has a reputation for antisemetic views. (He also has strong links with Rotherham – infamous for its grooming gangs. Ahmed and the groomers have, quite coincidentally of course, pakistani origins.)
logdon

Watch these..

Why are we being lied to?

So This is England

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHszsGbBJQo

So This is England Part 2. The Fallen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QmLIpJCa1E
right1_left1

Is there such a thing as Islamophobia ?
It depends which way you look at it.

If you mean those who offer legitimate criticism of Islam have reason to be fearful then the answer is YES..
Such critics have reason to fear violent reactions.
On that score yesterday (29th April) I heard a Christian street preacher make disparaging comments about Mohammed who was explicitly mentioned by name.
That man has something to fear.

If you mean that criticism of Islam is Islamophobic then the answer is NO.
lakelander

Rod, you did the equivalent of announcing in a synagogue that you’re about to enrol on a course in pork butchery, when you said you’d be voting Labour to Spectator readers.

You’re spot on about the Islamophobia thing.
norm

I just hate and I mean Hate anyone who thinks or believes or tries to tell me what I can or cannot do
1 that it is ok to Behead someone because they are not of the same Religion
2 that it is ok to kill someone for changing their Religion
3 that does not Let women have an Education (women are bad enough with an Education ) They must be absolutely Terrible without one.
4 says that I can not eat BACON
5 stones people to death
6 is a Pedophile or supports marrying kids at 6-8 years old and then having sex with them at 9+ god these people should be shot
7 wrap their women up like a black bag when out in public ( so they can use this to hide in to leave the country when in fact it is a man under the bag )
so if that makes me Islamophobic so be it up your Ed Millipede and any other
8 does FGM to their women
9 Honour murders
10 Trojan horse schools
11 Police protected hate preachers and on benefits and all their wives
12 Grooming gangs in dozens of cities etc etc
13 Corrupt civil administration
14 Police protected gangs that patrol the streets and beat up any one that they think is not adhering to their laws (sheara)

Labour twat I was going to vote for you but not now fuck the Muslims
- Fred Collier
  
  Alan Sheara?
  - norm
    
    no the other one ok so I do not know how to spell it but then I am not A fucking muslim
    - Fred Collier
      
      Do you need to be?
      - norm
        
        no but I don,t give a fuck to the spelling police or to big heads who think they know it all
      - Fred Collier
        
        Ok, no need to dribble. I just think that if you are going to spout off your opinion on a subject you might at least demonstrate that you have some basic understanding of it, but hey, that’s just me.
      - dodosushi
        
        Twat.
      - Jethro Asquith
        
        No, that would be you
Jon Newman

Don’t a be stupid cunt!

Labour isn’t going to outlaw criticism of Islam or Judaism etc. but it will be hate crime to burn mosques or attack Muslims and Jews in the street.
- anyfool
  
  You say,
  Labour isn’t going to outlaw criticism of Islam or Judaism etc. but it will be hate crime to burn mosques or attack Muslims and Jews in the street.
  I say.
  Unless it is a Muslim attacking a Jew, then it will be a culture thing.
- cartimandua
  
  The UN already tried to give Islam “special status”. And no obviously they are not just talking about not attacking Muslims. There are already laws which cover attacking individuals. The only reason for “new laws” would be to equate a set of ideas with actual people. And that would sink western civilization.
- Dan O’Connor
  
  ” a hate crime ”
  
  Handing over our lands, heritage, social capital and identities in all White countries ( and only White countriues ) to competing alien cultures and peoples and intepreting it as proof of our ruling elites moral supremacy, is the greatest hate crime and act of cultural and racial terrorism ever committed . It has no historic parallel.
  It will cause immense pain and suffering for our people for centuries to come.
  It put’s a question mark over our future existence.
  The Western mainstream media has played a major roll in this monstrous crime
  There is an election in a few days when the sociopaths who did this will be elected back into power. They belong on trial and if found guilty ..punished with capital punishment .
- Penny
  
  Genuine question: how do you know what such a law means? As far as most are aware Miliband simply spoke of “outlawing Islamophobia”, which, as a term is going to cause speculation and disquiet. Not least because, as others have noted, we already have laws that cover hate speech, arson, and crimes against the person.
  
  If by “outlawing” he meant that Labour will simply create a category under which such crimes against Muslims will be filed then he should clarify his meaning now, before the election.
- James
  
  Hate crime exists already – police don’t enforce it against white victims, disabled victims or Jewish victims. Only a stupid cunt would think that is a crime against Muslims. Furthermore, only a stupid cunt would enforce unnecessary law mindful that authorities are too scared to prosecute criminals through fear of Islamophobia.
  - Damaris Tighe
    
    Only a stupid see you next Tuesday would want an additional law elevating Islam to a position of a specially protected species.
- FrankS2
  
  As far as I know it already is a crime to torch mosques and attack jews and muslims – and anyone else. I doubt whether any of these crimes are motivated by caring concern. What a ridiculous concept the “hate crime” is.
  - rodliddle
    
    Of course it is already a crime.
- black11hawk
  
  Charming
- Kit
  
  Are you suggesting it is okay to ‘ attack people’ now?
- Infidelissima
  
  Guess who is attacking Jews right now, Professor?!
beenzrgud

So, to cut a long story short muslims are ok as long as they don’t really follow the teachings of Mohammed.
What we all want to know is, has this nonsense from Miliband caused Mr Liddle change his voting intentions ?
DaHitman

Islam is a fascist ideology and this is why they wont have any criticism of it permitted, but I thank ED for proving my point about him not being a genuine Brit………………oh and the UN done the same-thing!

http://europenews.dk/en/node/13092
Roger Hudson

It’s good that Islam (submission?) is distinguished from muslims, people who ,for cultural reasons, don’t carry out every part of islam slavishly.
In Sarajevo, a muslim majority city, i see as many women in muslim dress in one morning as i do in ten minutes in East London.
Augustus

It won’t be ‘nine o’clock’ btw, but more like five or six o’clock. Enough to give one Coprastasophobia!

Two days before his death Charlie Hebdo’s editor, Stéphane Charbonnier, blasted the whole concept of the irrational and dysfunctional fear of Islam in a booklet he published: ‘letter to the Islamophobia frauds who play into the hands of racists’ “In the book, Charb, as he was always known, defends his publication of cartoons mocking radical Islam and caricaturing (but never mocking) the Prophet Mohamed. He argues – from a left-wing, anti-racist, militantly secular viewpoint – that the word “Islamophobia” is a trap, set by an unholy alliance of Muslim radicals and the unthinking, liberal Western media. The real issue, he says, is racism and Charlie Hebdo was never racist…”

Although Lefty vote catchers like Ed Miliband want people to believe that Muslims are the continuous victims of hate crimes, such crimes directed against Muslims are relatively rare.There a far more actual hate crimes directed against Jews, lesbians, gay men, Caucasians and Christians in the world today. Of course, crying ‘racism’ is easy when you can’t win the argument on the content of your radicalism. And the fact that, because the unpleasant tenets of Islam mentioned here are not properly criticised by the majority of non-violent and moderate Muslims, it’s all the more reason for others to do so and denounce these outdated, uncivilized and violent religious practices.
Callipygian

This piece is perfect. Every word.
Dan O’Connor

” not all Muslim immigrants ….blah, blah, blah .. ”

” not all Africans immigrants ..blah .. blah , blah .. ”

” not all Hispanic immigrants .. blah ..blah ,,blah .. ”

The notion that one can react to rival human collective organisms consisting of hundreds of millions of individuals on a one by one individual basis is an insanity that has only been adopted by “very intelligent ” and ” highly educated ” Western lIberal intellectuals. They have driven themselves scatty with over intellectualised universalist abstractions and hysterical egalitarianism
Rival human collective organisms act as they have always done , and that is as rival collective human organiisms with their own collective consciousness, The individuals are the cells of their collective body .

The ” not all Muslims, Africans , Hispanics are…blah , blah , blah ” is the cognitive dissonance mantra that has infected the central cortex of the Western mind and has created a pathological disconnet from reality , the human condition and the world as it actually is. It has infected the entire body politic of European man like a self-replicating cancerous bacilli . It attacks the´rational centres of the brain and destroys the ability of rational thought
It undermines, paralyses and disarms the natural and normal auto-immune and threat recogintion mechanism and group survival instincts that Western man has relied upon for centuries to defend himself against intruding and parasitical alien cultures and peoples who have no interntion whatsoever of turning their backs on their own group interests and committing unilatteral territorial and identity capitulation just because we have. All non-Whites understand the biological realities of nationhood, peoplehood, and the Extended family and they organise and band together unshamedly, unapologetically and uncontroversially to defend their territories and hertiage , and would never repeat our folly. They instinctively understand they are in a Darwinian competition with us and look upon our self dispossession with besumed astonishment and cannot believe their luck and would never repeat our folly .
- ukipforbritain
  
  Well said. However, these fools are a tiny minority; the vast majority of people do not accept their delusions.
- vieuxceps2
  
  when the “not all muslims etc…..” mantra is spouted I reply,”Not all Germans were nazis……” Didn’t help the Jews though,did it?
Callan

Pat Condell on Youtube explains all that is wrong with the “Religion of Peace”. I imagine Milliband already has him marked down for a visit from the Labour Thought Police the day after Labour gain power. Can there be such a thing as Millibandphobia? I fear I may have it. And Ballsphobia, Soubryphobia and SimonHughesphobia.
- Infidelissima
  
  what’s the point of explaining everything that’s wrong with Islam, when we can just look at how they live in their own countries, under their own laws, amongst themselves.
  
  it’s much quicker to list what’s right about Islam………………err……..
cromwell

“I am well aware that enormous numbers of Muslims do not subscribe to all of the particularly unpleasant tenets of Islam as it is practised and preached today.” Well why not Kill them all and let God sort them out.
English Patriot

“It’s the ideology I have a problem with and not the people”. And who do you think creates the ideology if not the people then you left wing cretin?
cromwell

“Labour would make Islamophobia a crime.” Thus making the Rochdale child abusers victims of Islamophobia.
- chesters
  
  exactly, and that was the ‘narrative’ that the social workers in Rochdale and Rotherham were following. A total inversion of who were the real victims.
knowshistory

there remains only a very limited time in which the imperiled infidels of UK can expel their intended executioners, and send their mortal enemies back to some wonderful Islamic eden from which they arrived. even announced “islamophobes” are wasting that time declaring over and over, “while not all muslims are brutal murderous fiends…………..etc”, the invasion and take over of their nation continues, and the result is historically assured…the extermination of the indigenous population by the muslim invaders. try to keep this in mind: not all rattlesnakes are violent. there are rattlesnakes who don’t bite people. so lets all invite them into our homes, and place them in our beds, and clasp them to our bosoms, and find out if our particular rattlesnakes are of the peaceful variety, or belong to that small minority who want to kill us.
Dougie

So Rod, has Mrs L’s perceptive identification of your moronic tendencies changed the way you plan to vote?
Dan O’Connor

There is not one single mainstream journalist, ( including Rob Liddle ), across the entire ideological spectrum, from where the hard Left begins and all the way over to where the boderlines of Libertarianism ends and the borderlines of the Forbidden Zone that I and my fellow partners in thought crime inhabit begins…that is prepared to discuss or explore the present demographic disaster that European man is facing from a sociological ;group behavioural psychology perspective ,

1 ) That the demographic beachhead that Islam is gaining in the West is just one of the symtoms of the disease afflicting European man and not the disease itself
It is a bi-product.

2 ) That there is, ( or is not ) a biological basis for Nationhood / Peoplehood / the Extended Family.

3 ) That the whole world can be ” us ” and wants to be ” us ” and that the concept of an ” us ” is just an evil White supremacist racist social construct
That Englishness, Britishness, Frenchness, Icelandiness, Swedishness , Europeaness ( Whites ) are just a meaningless optical illusion and sociological fraud

4 ) Why only White people are expected to benefit from racial/ historical / ancestral / cultural ” diversity ” and to look forward with estatic glee to the wonderfull benefits of becoming future disempowered minorities in our own homelands , even when all the evidence of history and human experience teaches us that the obvious perils of such an outcome far outweigh any possible advantages .

Every political commentator and journalist in the West is busy ignoring this 800 lb Gorilla in the room, because they have all learned that’s how you keep your job
Intellectual and moral cowadice . The ethos of modern European man is cringing conformism
- ukipforbritain
  
  They are fools and traitors every one that ignore the hard truth. What is confronting Europe is a self-made tragedy of unprecedented proportions that must be stopped. In scale and suffering it is greater than the First World War, Second World War and the Holocaust combined – because it involves immeasurably greater numbers of people. The so-called ‘elite’ – the decision-makers of our society – have consciously decided to wage war, indeed, to destroy, the European peoples. This is not hyperbole; this is the reality they do not wish us to know. However, I think the situation is going to get completely out of control – and they and all their fantatical allies are going to be swept away. They will end up in the dustbin of history alongside their Nazi forebears.
cromwell

When I look at the country Britain has become I feel sick, is this mongrel nation what my ancestors fought and died for? To paraphrase Robert Burns, I know he was talking about Scotland but it now applies to the whole of Britain,
We’re bought and sold for foreign gold-
Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!
James Jones

“There is no such thing as Islamophobia, of course. There are people who dislike Islam … and they dislike it for perfectly good, rational, reasons.”

Please repeat this everywhere you can.

Islamophobia is a made up word invented by the proponents and supporters of islam. Strike it out wherever you find it.
- cromwell
  
  Well and succinctly put. No need for hate crime laws or indeed the The Race Relations Act 1965 and its bastard children. Far from been anti discriminatory they discriminate against the majority population of these islands.
Muttley

Strangely, when I described another condition, Islamophilia, over on the DT comments, I got deleted almost instantly.
- Infidelissima
  
  how ironic
The Prez

So just to recap.

You accept that Labour will impoverish and arrest you.
You describe the spectre of a Labour-led coalition as being “from hell”
You are going to actively engage in civil disobedience against something you’re about to vote for.
You’re still voting Labour.

Sorry if this is ‘predictable’ Rod, but you really are mad!
SonOfGud

I’m islamophobic in direct proportion to the degree of sharia-bothering going on.
No sharia = no phobia.
So might i suggest SHARIAPHOBIA as a more accurate description?
That would include a rational revulsion towards the dissembling soft-jihadis who otherwise fly below the savage-violence-radar, but would allow room for your muslim-in-name-only types.
mollysdad

There’s no such thing as Islamophobia. There are such things as people who find that there is not enough evidence to prove that Muhhammad existed or, if he did, that he said and did the things attributed to him by Muslims.
john locke

Perhaps Miliband could explain how you make a phobia illegal..
allah is dead

close the borders. no more immigrants
- Infidelissima
  
  i like your moniker
- Reborn
  
  I love your non de guerre.
  Perhaps someone should try Allah Never Existed.
  - James Jones
    
    Alloa akbar
Bagsofsmoke

I don’t really understand what the legislation would entail. How can you make it illegal to be scared of something? Does Milipede not understand what the word means (a phobia being a fear)? Call me crazy, but I’d say it’s reasonably logical to be a touch wary of people that want to saw your head off for failing to believe in a make-believe deity, or being gay, or showing a little too much skin, etc…
- James Jones
  
  ” (a phobia being a fear)?”
  
  NO!
  
  A phobia is an irrational fear.
  
  That is why the word “islamophobia” is senseless.
  
  There is nothing irrational about being fearful of islam as you can see in literally any newspaper on any day of the year.
  - Jenny_Tells
    
    A bit of a pedantic comment, I thought. Not all spiders are alike, nor are all snakes. Therefore it is wise to be afraid of them all unless you have a particular knowledge of which are harmful and which are not.
    
    You are on a bus and a Muslim gets on with a rucksack on his back. Do you rush off the bus, remembering 7/7, or do you stay put hoping that Lady Luck is on your side? And if you rush off, then under Miliband’s proposals, you could be arrested for Islamophobia.
    - James Jones
      
      “A bit of a pedantic comment”
      
      I confess. I am a pedant. I care that I am not beheaded.
      
      Being beheaded or being blown up by islamists would for sure ruin my day.
      
      I think that I am allowed to be pedantic about that.
DWWolds

So you are still gong to vote Labour Rod?
Neil2

So – are you STILL going to vote for Labour then ?.
Reborn

The word “isamophobic” is the supreme oxymoron, having long since displaced
Nazi Jew to second place.
Any Westerner and any woman anywhere who does not dislike, even hate, this ideology is suicidally insane.
This does not mean we must hate individual muslims, but we must certainly hate
the political classes who imported them to the UK and then gave them privileges
from prosecution for activities that would cause outrage if committed by indigenes, or any other immigrant group.
Of course Milliband, who hates the UK, especially the poorer classes, sucks up to muslims.
He knows that their votes, even if completely honestly cast, will be crucial in up to a quarter of our constituencies.
What we cannot predict is the extent to which Labour’s easily corrupted postal voting system will amplify their already malignant influence on UK politics.
- James Jones
  
  While I agree with you more or less, please do not suspect that the Tories are not equally fond of islamisation and indeed any mass immigration.
  
  The only option you have to at least curtail the process is to vote UKIP.
  - Reborn
    
    I’m voting UKIP in the local elections, as I did in the European ones.
    Sadly, our reasonable Tory MP is ahead of Labour/SNP with the Lib Dems third.
    I’d vote for anybody or anything to keep Labour/SNP out.
    I accept that many Tories like cheap imported Labour and are deeply afraid of the BBC. However, I don’t think many really care for the islamisation of our land.
    Though most will be gone when the muslim project for the UK is complete, they must have feelings for their children and grandchildren who are unlikely to be able to buy their way out
    of the grim future predicted for us.
    - James Jones
      
      “many Tories like cheap imported Labour and are deeply afraid of the BBC. However, I don’t think many really care for the islamisation of our land.”
      
      My guess is that David Cameron is being paid by middle eastern oil interests to actively promote the islamisation of Europe.
      
      What other explanation can there be for the behaviour of these traitors?
radicalmoselem

Your cleric Murray already tried that one.

“So my most recent white supremacy hobby is about to be outlawed.
Let me find something ELSE that can have the same name.
Let me blog about why that other thing is silly to outlaw.
Let me mention beheadings and other scary stuff foreigners do.”
- cartimandua
  
  I looked you up rad since I thought you were perhaps a BNPer parodying.
  You actually thought there could be a “benign” FGM so no you are the real thing an ignorant, radical ,Muslim.
  - radicalmoselem
    
    Yep. Except, no. But carry on in your delusion, you’re clearly more interested in believing in something you know to be a lie so it props up the rest of your arguments.
    - cartimandua
      
      Your previous comments are available online. You actually thought FGM could have a benign form. It never can. It is always massive damage and to this day the Muslim Brotherhood are “for it”. They have kept it legal in Yemen.
      ISIS apparently began to require it in Mosul.
      - radicalmoselem
        
        Look, you’re obviously talking to someone practically living vicariously on the internet using a clearly fake name…why would I lie? You don’t even know me, if I actually thought you should go around mutilating children’s genitalia (which I obviously don’t) then I would be in no need of hiding it. (Note: I’m talking about mutilating, not generally harmless procedures like circumcision, etc., that’s where your confusion—if sincere—may originate, since I am not against circumcision as I am myself circumcised. Now if you call that mutilation then fine, but at least be fair in your smearing and smear pretty much all jews and mozlems)
      - cartimandua
        
        On your disqus comments are comments which said not all FGM was “harmful”. This is an old trope by apologists that there is some harmless version because I suppose there is clear evidence that a lot of Islam has promoted and condoned FGM. Mo didn’t have the decency or courage not to say “don’t do it” . He said don’t do it too much .
        . It was however a Muslim cleric who began a campaign against it in Sudan when he heard the dying screams of a child being mutilated.
        You said “women in the West do hood removal for cosmetic reasons”. That’s a blatant and very stupid lie.
        You have no idea about female physiology at all.
        FGM always mean massive damage to the largest nerve bundle in the body.
      - radicalmoselem
        
        Why do these right wing forums continually descend into mindless argumentation? Everything I said I gave references for, if you click them they go back to reputable sources like the World Health Organisation among others—I think they would know a little something about ‘physiology’…Again, feel free to disagree with me but be consistent and smear the WHO now too why don’t you. That’s what happens when you trade in logic for emotional argumentation.
      - cartimandua
        
        The WHO are talking about ethnic minority women being subjected to FGM in the West.
        All the doctors official bodies in the West are clear that any such self harming request needs referring to a shrink for body dysmorphia.
        You said it was something western women do routinely for cosmetic reasons.
        No they don’t and no there is no “harmless” form of FGM.
        The WHO is clear it is always an assault on a child.
        There is no way to “just remove a minute bit of skin” on a screaming writhing child.
        In any case “even that” leads to either permanent pain or keratinization which is why reputable doctors wont have a bar of it.
      - radicalmoselem
        
        You are clearly closing your eyes to what I have actually said and instead insist on living in your fairytale land. The reference I have provided in the past—that will more than suffice anyone who is capable of actually reading past their titles—speak for themselves, and refute your ridiculous usage of the term ‘FGM’. It’s people like you who insist on propagating outright lies that actually lead to young women being harmed because you throw around the term FGM in a way in which we (and all responsible medical experts) completely abhor, using it as the usual sensational supremacist mallet to bash ‘inferior’ cultures, as a result rendering it completely meaningless! Shame on you.
      - cartimandua
        
        FGM has a specific meaning. Every real medical expert knows what it means.
        
        It isn’t anti FGM activists who cause females to be harmed it is apologists like you.
        
        The Muslim Brotherhood are “for it” and until 2006 people like Qaradawi were “advising it”.
        
        Now Muslim clerics in part of Africa are linking FGM to the spread of Ebola and they want FGM to stop.
        In 2014 they found 60 girls from one “community” in Sweden
        had been subjected to the worst form of FGM.
        If someone is telling you it ever can be benign they are telling you egregious lies.
      - radicalmoselem
        
        Thus must the chasm between science and ideology, rationale and hysteria, remain.
Albert Zbingswiki

It’s truly terrifying to look at the conviction of 18 year old Kazi Islam yesterday, and to think that the chap he was grooming would probably be arrested for going to the police with his concerns under Milibands proposed new, sure-fire, what-could-possibly-go-wrong, Muslim-preferential-treatment idea.
Also: Amusing to speculate as to the religion of the two jurors who didn’t want to convict. “Oh, no, I’m sure he was just researching an innocent camping trip or something.”
justsomeone

The idea that fear of Islam should be made illegal is ridiculous beyond belief.
“If you fear Islam we will imprison you!” – this is beyond parody.
- James Jones
  
  1. A phobia is an irrational fear, not just a fear. The point is that it is irrational to fear peace.
  
  2. You will be able to fear anything you like, it will only if you talk about it that you will go to jail.
  
  Imagine the headlines on 7/7 2015 as the anniversary peacings are reported –
  
  “Nothing was blown up in Oxford Street today, 40 people were killed by pure peace.”
RaymondDance

Bravo Rod.

It took 500 years of struggle to end the rule of religious superstition in Europe. We CANNOT vote to bring it back. Labour must be defeated.
- James Jones
  
  “Labour must be defeated.”
  
  The Tories are just as much in love with the idea of an islamic Britain as Labour. Neither of them will lift a finger to stop it.
  
  Vote UKIP, at least try to save yourself and your family.
Karl Montague

The word you’re looking for is Extremism, or perhaps Fundamentalism, or even plain old Terrorism.

Not Islam.
- cartimandua
  
  There is a lot of Islamic fundamentalism about that’s the trouble. Even in the UK only 2 out of 1,700 Mosques are modernist.
  - Karl Montague
    
    Muslims make up 4.4% of the population.
    
    Around 83% of Muslims are proud to be a British citizen, compared to 79% of the general public, 77% of Muslims strongly identify with Britain while only 50% of the wider population do, 86.4% of Muslims feel they belong in Britain, slightly more than the 85.9% of Christians.
    - Infidelissima
      
      wow, 4.4% only, yet THIS MUCH trouble?
      
      Imagine when the number has reached 10%….
      - James Jones
        
        “10%”
        
        Already 8%[1] of children in school are muslim. You will not have long to wait.
        
        [1] http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2950372/Number-Muslim-children-England-Wales-doubles-decade-one-12-school-pupils-brought-Islamic-faith.html
  - Karl Montague
    
    I get that. It’s a big problem.
    
    But in order to root out the problem, we have to call it by its proper name. You had no problem writing “Islamic fundamentalism”, so why does the article not do that.
    
    Thing is, we have quite a lot of Muslims here, originally from around the British Empire, but more recently. Irish terrorists have killed more in Britain than Muslim terrorists have.
    
    Catholic extremism is killing people in Africa. Capitalist extremism is killing people in the Middle East. Islamic Extremism is killing people in the Africa and the Middle East. Zionist extremism is killing people in Palestine.
    
    Fundamentalism and extremism are bad. I get that.
    
    But by using language like “Islam”, I’m not sure that will help. Not only is it inaccurate, but the inaccuracy drives the wrong dividing line through the people. If we want ordinary Muslims to start standing against their extremist Imams, we need to make ordinary Muslims feel welcome and protected and on our side.
    - cartimandua
      
      If we had more modernist Mosques perhaps we would never have been Londonistan and exported murderousness abroad in both money and actual killers.
      There are only 2 modernist Mosques. There is nothing the ordinary Muslim can do to avoid fundamentalist views. They have become “normal” in this country.
      - Karl Montague
        
        If we stopped destabilising Muslim nations for oil profits, we would find more modernist mosques.
    - Hendrik
      
      0% of “ordinary” muslims in the UK believe homosexuality is acceptable … I am gay … how do you think this makes me feel?
      How do you propose I start to get these “ordinary” muslims to stand up against the more “extremist” muslims and stamp out islamic homophobia?
      - Karl Montague
        
        The biggest threat to LGBT freedoms in Britain is Christianity. Hate to break it to you, but it is.
        
        Islam is a varied religion, like Christianity. There are tolerant strains, and there are fundamentalist strains.
        
        The Persian and Greek-influenced Muslims have a history of tolerating homosexuality in past times. In fact, the Quran passages on homosexuality have been interpreted many different ways. Homosexuality is legal in many traditional Muslim nations. Homoerotic metaphors for Islamic spirituality abound in the poems of Rumi, for example.
        
        The intolerant Muslim nations, such as ISIS and Saudi Arabia (supposedly our “friends!”) tend to be influenced strongly by Wahabism, which is a fundamentalist teaching, in a similar philosophy to the Westboro Baptists. Wahabism has only really risen in the last century or so.
        
        Extremism tends to rise in places where excuses for extremism can be found. For example: The Westboro baptists are seen as silly, and are in the minority. But if there were bombs falling from the sky, dead babies in the street, and the Westboro Baptists were putting together an army, you would find their numbers soaring…
        
        If you want to get ordinary Muslims to stand up against homophobia, try the following: Be gay. Be nice to Muslims.
        
        If you want to make Islamic homophobia your mission, try having a look at organisations like QUIT, and learn a little about the history of homosexuality in Islam.
        
        http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12486003
      - Hendrik
        
        I’ve had my fair share of encounters with Christian and islamic threats … there is a big difference: the christians right now are not killing the gays, but the muslims are.
        
        Due to a previous profession; I had endless discussions and encounters with muslim men about homosexuality …all your “luvvy duvvy- lets-look-how-great-it-was-in-the-past” does not count any more. muslims today do not see that tolerance from the past that you so hope for. None of the people I spoke with accepted homosexuality, and if you look at modern day states with sharia law … then you see that the vast majority of islamic countries penalise homosexuality, from imprisonment to death.
        
        You have no idea what life is like as a gay man in an islamic country. I have a friend who literally (yes, literally) was running away from being stoned to death by a mob for being gay. And, that was in a “moderate” country.
        
        Your link to the BBC website does not make for good reading for gay people either, no matter how you want to put a positive spin on this.
        
        There is absolutely NOTHING about current islam that is not a threat for any person who is gay. This ideology wants gay people dead , and right now in Syria and Iraq, and Brunei, and Saudi Arabia , and more islamic countries; the government actually kills people for being gay, on behalf of their religion; islam …
        In those countries people go to the mosques and are told by imams every Friday that gays should be killed in the name of allah, and .. it happens!
        
        The ideology of islam does not accept homosexuality in any way and the sharia laws deal with them.
        
        I have seen the pictures of IS throwing gays of buildings … and what really upset me was the BIG number of people watching, just watching. …..Those are the “moderates” because they don’t kill themselves, but they allow the “pure” ones to do the killing.
      - Karl Montague
        
        “christians right now are not killing the gays”
        
        That’s bullshit, and a kick in the teeth to those who are suffering under Christians around the world. Every time I read the news I’m hearing about homophobic murders and abuse from around the world. Christians included, so stop denying it if you care about those people.
        
        The psychos killing gay people in the ISIS zones are psychos. They lead by fear. You don’t know what goes on in the minds of those “watching” any more than you can tell me why moderate Germans killed 6,000,000 Jews.
        
        In the UK, the greatest threat to LGBT rights comes from the Christian right. Our civilisation includes Christians, and Muslims, and it includes gay people. My link to the BBC is proof that in a modern, tolerant civilisation, more people can admit they are gay AND Muslim, and get the full protection from the law.
        
        It is very difficult being gay and Muslim, even in this country still. It is very dangerous. But you’re really not helping with that attitude. You’re not lending any support to the gay Muslim community, and therefore you’re not helping foster modernist Islam in Britain.
      - Hendrik
        
        You can’t change your sexuality, but you can change your ideology.
        Your link proves zero.
        I have attitude? My attitude doesn’t make women wear a bin bag, or get gay thrown off buildings, or shoot cartoonists …
        And it is not my effing “duty” to foster modernist islam in Britain – I did not invite it here, I did not want it here. So why should I make even 1 accommodation to a medieval misogynistic hate ideology?
      - Karl Montague
        
        You are correct. You can’t stop being gay, but you can stop being a bigot.
        
        Your attitude may not do those things, but neither does Islam. How many gays have been killed by Muslims in Britain? If Islam was causing those things, and not simply fascistic extremism, then 4% of the population would be killing gay people. They’re not.
        
        You say that only 2 mosques are modernist. Well, that’s 2 more than zero. I’ve shown you a link that shows gay Muslims trying to push for modernisation within Islam in Britain. If a gay person can’t understand why it’s important to reach out to people who feel unwelcome in a civilisation due to prejudice, there’s nothing I can do to show you…
        
        Our modernist, Greek-philosophy-based civilisation has progressed the traditional Christianity. Gay marriage has only just been legalised. British Sodomy laws were only overturned in the 1960s. Remember Alan Turing?
        
        Christianity has been holding us back, but it’s no match for the post-enlightenment Zeitgeist. I honestly don’t fear Islam any more than I fear Christianity.
        
        It is not your duty to foster modernist Islam. That is true. However, you live in a civilisation shared by Muslims. You didn’t welcome those people here, but I welcome people of all faiths, in the hope that we can build a progressive society that accepts, understands, and helps to develop ideologies that we can all share.
        
        You don’t have to take part in that, but while you aren’t, what do you expect to change?
Cheddarcakes

And we get to the distasteful truth at the bottom of the article. Labour is all but owned by these fanatical lunatics because Labour needs the Sharia loving vote to retain their inner city slum stranglehold.

It is why they turned a blind eye to rape and torture in our cities and it is why they will now unleash the stormtroopers to round up anyone who dares offend their imported boat people voter base
Simon Fay

But even in spite of this, Rod, you still cling onto the fuzzy feeling you get at the axe-killer’s reassurances and tearful pleas for you to open the door, and still intend to vote Labour?
- John Bindon
  
  His article stated he was going to vote Labour, but with many reservations, and because he thought it was, in effect, the “least bad option”, I don’t see much wrong with that. I will also vote in this election without a complete and utter conviction in who I am voting for. It’s not as if any party is going to solve all our problems. They pretty much all have at least one policy for which I have respect and many others for which I have complete contempt.
  - Simon Fay
    
    Am amazed that he can reconcile that pragmatic outlook with the antithetical tyranny he intends to enable. “We in the Hutu Party if elected will strive to improve life for Tutsis in every way. But we also pledge to kill as many as possible”.
    - John Bindon
      
      A tad overheated response, if I may say so.
      - Simon Fay
        
        You may, you may. I’m not one for using the power of the state (and all its little helpers) to harass and persecute those who express an opinion – a power which Labour is proposing to further enhance.
Mrs Crewe

Unlike Mr Liddle I would -at least to begin with – be better off under a socialist govt. I’m a public sector worker with a disabled husband. But unlike Mr Liddle I can see that any perceived benefit to certain groups of the population in a Labour govt would be just that short term. Every time Labour has achieved govt they have wrecked the economy. A strong economy means that we don’t have to rely on public sector jobs or welfare handouts.
As for Islamaphobia, I think all religious belief is very dumb and those who try to enforce thief beliefs with violence need locking up with the key being deposited in the Mariana Trench. So if that makes me an Islamaphobic, I too will be arrested on May 9th as we slip into the socialist Dystopia which will ruin our economy for decades and tear our country a part. So Mr Liddle, to keep in with your media friends you vote Labour, you are wealthy enough to be a socialist.
- Jen The Blue
  
  Apart from disagreeing about all religious belief being very dumb, I agree with everything else you write. Nearly all religions are pretty benign…….the exception being Islam of course.
  - Mrs Crewe
    
    Belief in the tooth fairy past childhood is looked on as nuts, yet belief in another fairy tale is normal? Books written by men telling tales to try and control society and people say they are the truth. Religious belief is the acceptable face of delusion.
    - Jen The Blue
      
      You appear to be one of those evangelical atheists……..I agreed with almost everything you said but you still felt the need to argue.
      I’ll just say as a mathematician and physicist, I believe the question of a deity is far more complicated than can be dismissed as obviously a fairy story. I cannot prove there is a God or gods any more than you can prove there is not. But my experience of life and knowledge physics leads me to believe there is design.
      Maybe I am wrong? Maybe you are?
      - Mrs Crewe
        
        ‘ evangelical atheists’ is an oxymoron. Mostly I don’t care what people believe in or not as the case may be. Only when people force their beliefs on me or other people do I care. if you want to believe in the tooth fairy, that’s your business, I think that belief in fairy tales is decision and belief in organised fairy tales is delusion on a grand scale. Oh and I’d love to hear most physicists thoughts on your using science to prove the existence of a higher being, priceless.
      - AverageGuyInTheStreet
        
        There’s no point arguing with the religious. They’ve suspended reason in order to believe.
      - Damaris Tighe
        
        There’s no point arguing with evangelical atheists. They’ve suspended reasoned argument in order to witter on about ‘tooth fairies’ & ‘fairy tales’.
      - Bonkim
        
        You are talking not as a physicist but about your faith which does not require proof. Absence of evidence does not prove the hypotheses right or wrong and religion as a concept was invented by illiterate humans Millennia back to explain the unknown and embellished by the passage of time and cultures. It is now too old to find fault with – human generations have been brain-washed into believing the religions they were born into..
    - cartimandua
      
      Belief in “there is more to know” has been and is an Evolutionary advantage. It doesn’t have to be laden with stupid customs and social control though.
Banjo

“Islamophobia is a word created by fascists, and used by cowards, to
manipulate morons.” — Christopher Hitchens.
- chesters
  
  the late and much lamented, brilliant, CH. I have just watched on Youtube a 2010 debate between CH and Professor Tariq Ramadan, of Oxford University, and a man adored by the bien-pensants. CH is brilliant: a stunning intellect and real guts. A great defender of Enlightenment values against medieval superstition and savagery, and a sad loss to all rational debate
  - Bonkim
    
    Enlightenment is a relative term – some might think Medieval beliefs and Church Law to be the real truths! By definition belief and faith don’t need proof or justification to the faithful and believer.
- Bonkim
  
  What a lovely word though!
Jen The Blue

The article is spot on. Muslims are just people like any others. I would guess there are a lot of them in the west who have no desire for Sharia Law or violence.
But unfortunately, that is what their evil religion teaches, the more devout are a danger to all of us.
Am I frightened of Islam? Bloody terrified by it whatever that clown Miliband legislates for.
- ukipforbritain
  
  It’s not possible to be a Muslim and be against sharia law. This is a doctrinal fact.
  - Jen The Blue
    
    Oh, Indeed. But it is not possible to be a Catholic and believe in abortion, but there are people who claim to be Catholic who do. There is enormous pressure on people of Muslim families even in the UK to at least pretend they uphold their religion.
    - cartimandua
      
      That is true and as a fellow parent at daughters school said she wanted to get it out on special holidays but was under pressure to be “more observant”.
    - Damaris Tighe
      
      I’m sure you’re right & this isn’t sufficiently appreciated by some critics of Islam. Attack the religion by all means, but don’t make assumptions about the attitudes of people who are born into Muslim families.
  - Bonkim
    
    A bit like the Catholic against Papal pronouncements.
    - ukipforbritain
      
      Yes, but MUCH more extreme.
- AverageGuyInTheStreet
  
  “Muslims are just people like any others”… erm, well, not just like any others really are they? Pretty unique to be honest.
  - Jen The Blue
    
    What I was saying is that this has sod all to with race or colour. The problem, is Islam. Muslims are not a race……..there are Arabic Muslims, Indonesian Muslims, Persian Muslims………..Islam is a belief system.
    Islam is the problem…..Islam is evil and anyone who studies it will realise that very quickly.
    So, all I am being careful to say is that there are many people who identify themselves as Muslims, who are decent people who do not believe in the violent, supremacist bullshit that is Islam.
    - Damaris Tighe
      
      Well said.
    - Bonkim
      
      Why was it O.K to be anti-communist but not O.K to be anti-Islam? As an atheist I am anti-all religions – including Islam the most backward and bigoted of them all. I must add most corrupting.
DrWatt

Vote UKIP Rod – go on you know you want to. Time to give those gits a right good kick in the goolies. Do them the world of good.
Ray Spring

Am I allowed to comment on this article, or will my comment be removed as my other comments have? And who are the Thought Police monitoring the site?
The Prez

At least when Labour takes away all of everyone’s money, society will be more equal. And that’s somehow more desirable than being prosperous, right?
Innit Bruv

How about something more important than Ed Milliband and “Islamophobia”?
How about discussing what is starting more and more to look like a major-league whitewash? I am referring of course to the the decision not to prosecute the former president of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, Lord Janner.
You can “bet your bottom dollar” that had it been a Muslim peer, OinkOink Liddle and Douglas Murray wouldn’t have wasted any time bringing it to our attention.
- Infidelissima
  
  Oh look, a Muslim trying to bring in those evil Jews, to deflect and distract.
  How rare and unexpected.
  - Innit Bruv
    
    How many times do I have to tell you, you brain-damaged halfwit?
    I AM NOT A MUSLIM !!!!!
    Why can’t pea brains like you grasp that not agreeing with the tripe posted by so many of this publication’s readers doesn’t automatically make you a tree-hugging lefty, a Guardianista or a Muslim.
- Damaris Tighe
  
  What has happened with Janner does indeed look like a whitewash. However, as there is no record of Jewish grooming gangs targeting gentile women on an industrial scale, the fact of his Jewishness is irrelevant. It’s not part of a pattern.
  
  Hard luck. Try again.
  - Innit Bruv
    
    There is, however, a record of White grooming gangs targeting babies. On April 22 seven men from the Bristol were convicted of crimes at least as odious as those perpetrated in Rotherham.
    All of them had “Anglo-Saxon” names.They were even targeting the parents of unborn babies.
    
    Where’s the moral outrage amongst those who write for or read this publication? The silence,as they say, is deafening…..
    
    The response would have been very different had these perverts been Pakistanis. The usual double standards….
    
    “Hard luck .Try again”??? Interesting reaction….
    What reaction there has been to the events in Bristol does not question whether the perpetrators’ “Anglo-Saxonness” is a contributing factor.
    As for Lord Janner, questioning whether his influential position as president of the Board of Deputies of British Jews helped him escape prosecution when he was compos mentis is perfectly legitimate
    - Damaris Tighe
      
      I agree with your comments about Janner.
      
      No one is unaware that ‘Anglo-Saxon’ grooming gangs exist, & judging by comments on the Mail site, there is universal disgust & contempt for the perps.
      
      There are additional issues with the Muslim grooming gangs which cause outrage. Firstly, there is the expectation that immigrants & their near descendants (I too am descended from immigrants) should behave like guests in the country that has taken them in.
      
      Secondly, there is the strong suspicion that the perps agree with one of them who confessed that he viewed native girls as like ‘chewing gum on the pavement’, so there are racial/religious aspects here.
      
      Miliband’s pledge that ‘Islamophobic’ attacks will be recorded as such is based on the idea that there is an additional layer of crime if a religion is the target. The same applies to race hate laws. But this principle works both ways: it must also apply when Muslim gangs attack largely non-Muslim girls.
Benjamin O’Donnell

I rarely agree with Rod Liddle. Indeed, I often find him to be a clueless and occasionally dishonest fool. But he’s dead right here about “Islamophobia”…
Gilbert White

The very clever original , starship trooper said it all, just because you suffer from arachnophobia it does not mean the spiders from Mars are not out to get you, want to know more?
Facts_Matter

What an inane article. Islamophobia refers to bigotry against Muslims, not criticism of Islam. The fact that he has mischaracterised it so badly suggests that he’s either ignorant of what was being suggested or is misrepresenting is deliberately. How pathetic.
- Gilbert White
  
  Right on then, we need a metaphorical atom bomb to split this metaphorical, semantically ,atomised meaning !
  - Facts_Matter
    
    Hardly. It’s a simple uncomplicated word that shouldn’t be difficult to grasp so long as you’re literate.
- cartimandua
  
  Then the word should be racism not Islamophobia which means fear of Islam.
  - Facts_Matter
    
    I suppose you could categorise that under those laws but then that would open up another can of worms since Muslims aren’t technically a race, though the majority of them in our country are Asian.
- Damaris Tighe
  
  There are already race hate laws in place which cover brown people who may or may not be Muslim & their places of worship which, again, may or may not be Muslim. If on the other hand there is a new law criminalising, shall we call it, ‘vigorous’ criticism of Islam as a religion, that will be a gross infringement of the right to debate & criticise ideas.
  - Callipygian
    
    And of course, it is then a simple matter to extend the speech gag to other subjects and areas of potential dissent in a democracy….
    
    This is why Britain needs, urgently, an enshrined constitutional right to free political speech, as America has.
  - Facts_Matter
    
    There isn’t going to be. Ed never suggested that they were outlawing criticism of Islam or anywhere near close. Again, if anyone is misrepresenting this then they’re either grossly ignorant or being deliberately misleading.
    - Damaris Tighe
      
      So please explain what he is suggesting.
      - Facts Matter
        
        To quote him directly:
        
        “We are going to change the law on this so we make it absolutely clear
        of our abhorrence of hate crime and Islamophobia. It will be the first
        time that the police will record Islamophobic attacks right across the
        country”
        
        Essentially he wants to step up laws that we have already and record them down specifically, which we don’t do currently. This would bring it in line with legislation that we already have against anti-Semetic attacks.
The_Infidel_01

The immoral, hoping the immoral will do their dirty work for them and rid the country of moral people. Think of them as the brownshirts of the na zi party in the 30’s. I hope they realise that once the moral ones are out of the road, it’s their necks that will be sliced.
John Steadman

I do think the editors should try to highlight views addressing the substantive issue, rather than allowing dualists to pair off into petty squabbling that dominates the columns.
Rod Liddle’s humour should not lead us into believing he is not wholly serious about the further threat to our freedom of expression – or, if he is not, then he should be. It puzzles me that nobody in the political mainstream has tried to elevate freedom of speech high onto on the political – and hence, General Election – agenda. Cowards all, and hypocrites.
I will support UKIP – but I really do think they need to take advice about how to get their case across on the live media.
miradordelmar

The slippery slope when you stop one section of society from voicing their opinions this is a very dangerous policy and is a direct danger to free speech
Liberanos

Unlike most mediaeval superstitions, islam maintains its arcane religious violence in continuing homage to its vindictive wizard. To describe as phobic those who do not respect its ritualised bigotry, enslavement and murder is rather odd, even for Mr Miliband.
Robertus Maximus

Yes, what you have written above is all well and good but the question remains -ARE YOU STILL GOING TO VOTE LABOUR? If so, why keep writing about the muslim problem when you are going vote to ensure it gets worse!
Ivor MacAdam

Thing is, Rod, I still can’t understand even more why you are determined to vote Labour….
astar

Funny how its only Islam being blamed for everything these days, meanwhile rabbis suck on baby d’s, we have crusades and modern day Christian holy wars, senseless killings, stabbings and the age of which it’s happening growing younger and younger (many of the perpetrators NON muslim might I add). Funny how every single non-muslim, or dare I say white british person and their grooming and gangs, and drug dealing and raping isn’t part of any problem (all of which ISN’T allowed in Islam) or at least atheism, or secularism, or Christianity or any other faith of these people who commit such crimes is never mentioned in the media, or at least, never brought under attack the way it is if they find out he’s a ‘muslim’. We can overlook that because that’s from our ‘own’ people muslims born here now are somehow ‘outsiders’ and yes despite being the population who gives the most charity in Britain, we won’t look at that. We’ll just look at muslims and Islam, everyone else can continue in their crimes, we won’t question whether they’re atheist, Christian, jewish, hell even if they make up their own religion and murder someone it’ll be fine. But you know we’ll only look at muslims because we’re under so much ‘danger’ that I keep hearing about yet everyones’ going about working, living their lives, meanwhile we get burned alive by RADICAL BUDDHISTS in Burma, killed RADICAL CHRISTIANS in Africa, by atheist/christian troops in their own countries and yet…you’re in ‘danger’ GG, guys, seriously, holocaust number two and you’re all like the germans who fell for Hitler’s media the first time.
- bashstreetplug
  
  ‘you’re all like the germans who fell for Hitler’s media the first time.’
  
  Don’t forget another of Adolf’s mates, the Palestinian Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini.
- Infidelissima
  
  a rambling, incoherent, idiotic post, by a typical inbred troglodyte.
  Actually Abdul, it’s muslims who resemble the Nazis the most:
  Nazis used to gas people, today it’s Muslims who gas people.
  - astar
    
    Oh okay didn’t realise poor palestinian children had access to that kind of thing. No wonder you’re scared better get all those children and schools then! Im pretty sure I dont have that in my house. Meanwhile America and Israel get to bomb away using whatever weapons they like but again, they’re not muslim so that’s okay. Double standards everywhere, and no, I’m a woman, my name’s not Abdul, Idiot.
    - Infidelissima
      
      Most of this rambling post makes no sense, as usual, but ‘you’re scared’? LOOL
      
      I guess you missed who won the last crusades, Pikey.
- Hzle
  
  One rebuttal of this post might be to look at the stats on Islamist terror attacks by decade. Wiki gives a conservative listing, showing one or 2 in the 80s, quite a few in the 1990s, and LOTS in the noughties.
  
  The number in this decade has, I believe, already equalled that of the last decade. As I said Wiki gives a conservative listing, there are other sites listing all sorts of hideous activities that have gone on since this very political version of Islam became so active.
  
  I suppose it would be hard to list every beheading, stoning, shooting, every riot, every bombing. Political Islamism is a problem – to not realise this seems like deliberate obtuseness – but everyone’s at it
  - astar
    
    Political version of Islam? Can I ask Where? Where is this Islam that everyone is crying about? In England? This threat somehow stopping everyone from getting from a to b? Are you living in fear right now? When I go out in the street I don’t see fear. I see fear in other war torn countries not here. Your political parties are your own, there is no islamic party running to win the elections, there’s no threat that alcohol and porks getting banned everyone wear a scarf everyone pray, your lives are your own but this huge dramatisation that we’re taking over this country? really? How long have muslims been here? Do you know the first person who built a mosque here was English? and we’re not part of this country? It’s ridicolous, it’s alienating so many people who live alongside you and it’s ignorant.
    - astar
      
      Sure the numbers increased, people are heading off to ISIS when they don’t even understand what ISIS is about but did anyone stop to think that was a reaction a reflex to what’s happening as opposed to an attack? People are being made as dummies to fight eachother to fight muslims, to hate us, everytime a muslim does something good in the paper his religion isn’t mentioned and I have seen this articles, people really need to open their eyes.
    - Hzle
      
      “Political version of Islam? Can I ask Where?”
      
      Do you know absolutely nothing about current affairs?
  - Infidelissima
    
    there have been over 25,000 terrorist attacks in the world, since 9/11, but the religion of peace
- GraveDave
  
  These attacks are mainly made up of online abuse. I’m not sure about now but at one time Muslims were always in the news for assaults and (excluding the rape gangs) physical attacks on whites and Christians. I should think much of it does still happen but the so called Islamophobic media are somehow forgetting to report on the Muslim aspect. Likewise when young black males kill white kids, same. The media tries to airbrush over it. Or even blames the victim by saying he or she was in the wrong place at the wrong time. But you know what – at the end of the day- Cameron or Miliband – doesn’t matter. Because they all need the ethnic bloc vote.
  
  They’re all the same self serving scumbos
astar

Never, have I seen in modern times other faiths come into fire and exaggerated and blown out of proportion and made to defend themselves, be subject to attacks on the street, made to explain themselves and their beliefs as if it’s something we should have to explain. Bullied, such that a woman in a scarf can get beaten and miscarry like she did in Paris and yet somehow this is meant to be the time of tolerance, of civilization, these atheist/and other people who did that are just as barbaric as the people they claim they hate, if not more as they have access to knowledge and claim to believe in principles that really their behaviour shows otherwise. I’ve grown up with many English white, atheist people, Christian people, surrounded by them and I’ve had the loveliest memories and I find so many kind people, but SOME of them with this racist, superiority that they feel entitled to everything, that secularism is somehow the answer to everything when you look at the state of the world and it’s crimes, secularism has done nothing but add to the hatred and fuel senseless attacks and that somehow their opinion is above everyone else’s that they are above other countries. How they assume every muslim woman is oppressed even she’s not, how they assume their way of life is the right way and how islam can’t be, simply because it doesn’t agree with them, or they don’t like it, it’s a joke, it’s a shame to see people with so much access to knowledge simply refuse to learn about islam, but can throw tirades of abuse at muslims, it’s a shame that coming from a past of war people still haven’t learnt a great deal. Be islamophobic all you want, as much as you disrespect Islam, there will always be a person alive who respects it and us, I have never asked any one to this day to explain why they believe in what they believe, or why atheists should be atheists, or write an article ‘to get it all out of my system – what I don’t like about x, y and z religion’, go ahead, I don’t think they should even make it illegal, it doesn’t and shouldn’t phase us muslims anymore, those who want to bully us will continue to do so no matter what. The number of islamophobic attacks continue to increase, but of course that’s okay, we don’t need alarm bells raising and protection from the police apparently when the terrorist attacks are from such islamophobic, people. It’s only ‘terrorism’ if you’re a muslim, if you’re not it’s a crime you may or may not get caught doing.
- GraveDave
  
  he number of islamophobic attacks continue to increase, but of course that’s okay,
  
  Tell Mama all about it then.
- Infidelissima
  
  Is that you again Pikey, or why do you have a brand-new account? LOL
  
  ‘attacks on the streets’ you must be surely talking about Muslims attacking gays, Jews or underage white girls, because I have yet to see muslims being attacked on any streets, by anybody, unless you count muslims attacking muslims, on muslim streets – that seems to be happening a lot
  
  May I suggest to the poor innocent muslim victims, who feel terrible injustices are happening to them on British or French streets, to remove themselves, and choose on of their 57 countries, to pi$$ off to?
  
  They will be able to live harmoniously and persecution-free amongst themselves……oh, wait a minute….nevermind.
  - astar
    
    Lol oh yes, you only read the news when it has to do with the muslim doing the wrongdoing right. It’s okay look it up, not that you will, it might just prove you wrong and after all, wouldn’t want that, have to stay on the hating bandwagon.
  - astar
    
    And yes they are innocent, they didn’t do whatever someone in another country may or may not have done it’s like me kicking a random Indian person on the street for the rapes in India, it makes NO sense but you’re not working on logic, or peace, people like you without compassion are the problem.
- Hendrik
  
  muslims are NOT a race.
  islamophobia does NOT exist.
  - astar
    
    I didnt say muslims are a race, I know what I am. I said some people are racist. Islamophobia I guess doesn’t exist as a ‘phobia’ but hatred to muslims simply for who they are? yes, when you have mosques burnt down and pork being stuffed through letterboxes, abuse being hurled at you on the streets? Yes, that’s ‘islamophobia’ maybe if something like that ever happened to you you’d understand.
    - Hendrik
      
      May a Jew hate a person who adheres to National Socialism?
      
      You adhere to an intolerant ideology, so yes, you can expect abuse, (you can always choose a different ideology if you want)
      If the KKK were to walk around, they would get abuse too.
      
      And, yes, I have been attacked by muslim men, because I am gay , and because of islam …. they told me so themselves.
- cartimandua
  
  We see Muslims mass murdering each other and everyone in their path all over the world.
  We dont have to “learn” . We actually see.
  - astar
    
    Yes and I also see humans of ALL types of backgrounds doing the SAME thing need I remind everyone to look at their own histories.
  - astar
    
    Just because one religion gets hyped up on the media doesn’t mean we become sheep who swallow it all up. Remember jews were given the same treatment slowly stripped of their nationalities, their jobs, talked about as sub-humans, exactly the same thing is happening and only those who can actually read between the media fed lines will call it.
  - astar
    
    And I sure as hell haven’t ‘mass murdered’ anyone thank you, haven’t landed a criminal record at all, so you can keep that generalisation to yourself. People with that level of ignorance are what are making the british muslims suffer and we’re meant to apologise and stay silent, you should apologise for the hatred you spew.
    - cartimandua
      
      Over here the victims of Muslim grooming gangs may number as many as one million.(source a Labour MP) That’s the result of an Islamic culture which is honour/ shame, patriarchal and deeply hypocritical.
      That all happened because of spouses being imported for chain migration.
      Ignorant men who felt “entitled” were brought in and women raised to submission (or else) were brought in.
      A few years ago 60% of Pakistani men married “from home” while educated British Muslim women struggle to find a partner.
      It happened because Muslim men thing they can do what they like and in Muslim countries law backs them up not their victims. There are 20 thousand child prostitutes in just Lahore.
      And as to “abroad” ISIS? Taliban? Boko Haram? They are all mass murdering and calling themselves Muslims.
      There is a problem in the Muslim world and its the way it treats females. Child marriage and polygamy has lead to the 100 million in the youth bulge of the MENA region. There are youth bulges in every single Muslim country.
      The family size of Muslims here is larger than normal.
      And then there is inevitable poverty, inevitable neglect, and kids going off to join torturers and beheaders.
      You need to separate faith from malign customs.
      Dump the hijab and all Mosques where women don’t have equal access to the main hall.
      We don’t do in your face religion here for very good reasons.
      - astar
        
        Here we go with the self righteous aid. You’re just ‘helping’ by telling them not to wear scarves? You realise a large majority of the women here in UK wear it by choice? Ive lived my life without a scarf thank you, didn’t fancy getting groped by NON muslim men in the tube station like I am for sale. And guess what ever since I wore a scarf it didn’t happen. All the media and all those with an agenda or simply dislike will not want you to see any positives. They didn’t ask for help, and yes there are some men like that, but there are men like that everywhere. The problem is when you pick one religion and decide that’s the case only for them. You single them out and cause them hatred. I’m sorry but if you’re not even a muslim your superiority complex somehow thinks you can choose how our mosques should be? I don’t decide how the local synagogue or temple should be. And there have been grooming gangs including those of babies from english NON muslim men in this country also, just like rape, just like domestic volence. They’re not muslim, so what’s their problem? Atheism? English values? Do you watch jeremy kyle?
      - cartimandua
        
        I am disgusted by any woman who “covers” for two reasons.
        Firstly the health of Muslims is the worst of any ethnic group. Asians in the UK have 6 times the risk of Diabetes for instance.
        There is a list of conditions which goes on and on about lack of vitamin D and a lack of exercise.
        Its cancers, heart disease ,depression (Asian women suicide 3xss more than others), bone problems in the woman or her children, Schizophrenia in the children and there are more.
        Supplements cannot fix it.
        We are a very northern country and adapted to this climate.
        Secondly Muslims didn’t get the memo. The only way we have individual freedom of belief in this country is we learned over centuries to retire religion to the private sphere.
        That permits individual religious freedom and it leads to the civil peace.
        Once you do a tribal cloth thing all that is at risk.
        Dump the tribal cloth in the bin and believe in flying horses if you like.
      - astar
        
        Lol oh and I was starting to think we were meeting somewhere in the middle. Ummm how about a healthy diet and exercise? I’m sorry but I go to the gym and I don’t have diabetes. A cause of which is the asian DIET not our faith, lol. And your argument we shouldn’t wear our clothing is you don’t like it? There are plenty of reasons to dress half naked these days it seems but to cover causes everyone such a problem. And I dont live for what you like so sorry.
      - cartimandua
        
        Covering hampers movement exercise and getting adequate vitamin D.
        
        Those are the facts known to the NHS which lists it as a risk factor and by the MCB which is clear how unhealthy Muslims are in this country.
        
        You are complacent about the poor health of the majority of Muslim women.
        
        Faith is not the cloth on ones head and to wear such a cloth harms health which the rest of us end up paying for.
        
        I don’t much like paying for smokers and drinkers either.
        
        9 out of 0 Asians in the UK are deficient in vitamin D and supplements cannot fix it.
      - cartimandua
        
        http://metro.co.uk/2007/07/18/burkas-are-bad-for-your-health-532757/
        Hijabs are bad for the health and pills cannot fix it. If you want to self harm don’t ask me to pay for the choice you are making for yourself and any future children.
      - Hendrik
        
        Actually …. decent European men do not “touch” you inappropriately that is not part of our culture.., but it has been brought in by your islamic culture.
      - astar
        
        Lol, I’m sorry but that’s just getting ridicolous now and proving my point exactly even the non-muslim cases you manage to blame on a muslim. It’s typical of one-minded people to say something like that, rather you will find ‘indecent’ european men, english men, ‘muslim’, non-muslim men, hindu, atheist, whatever, and you will find men who would never do that from acros all races and cultures. But of course that won’t fit your stereotype and media agenda. I thought some people would be worth debating with on here but that point was just silly. I know for myself there are many kind and loving english non- muslim people and many of them are like a second family to me, so I’ll ignore people who hate and make sweeping generalisations because they are not worth it, and obviously not listening to any voice of reason.
      - Hendrik
        
        Fine, you keep believing then that covering up yourself is the way for men to behave. And women who don’t cover… well: they deserve it, right?
        But the difference between you and me is: I do not take my morals from a medieval child molesting warlord.
      - astar
        
        You should learn to actually ask muslims and mix with muslims and find out from them what the cause is because you will find out yes they have honour killings but these are cultural, coming from uneducated areas where they do not understand women. I agree 100% I hate these men also, my own mother has been subject to this treatment. It is NOT from religion. If such men really understood their religion they wouldn’t behave this way. My point is it is very dangerous and hatred causing to blame this on a religion especially when so many people live among you. The media will do this but as people we should speak to one another and find out the real causes because I for one am
        telling you from my own experience the causes.
      - cartimandua
        
        You need to separate customs and concrete religion from faith.
        Over here only 2 Mosques are modernist and 45% are Deobandi.
        There is no way to make that benign. They normalize concrete thinking and fundamentalism.
        Any woman who is wearing a hijab (just a hijab) is making herself ill and her future children ill and has bought into the idea that faith modesty etc is the cloth on your head not the love of God in ones heart.
        No one has any issue with having a concept of God which makes one feel loved and altruistic.
        I have a lot of issues with the customs which are about political Islam and tribalism etc.
        Only the top 10 to 20% of women in Muslim countries are NOT victims of domestic abuses of many kinds.
        So its not just women from Mirpur.
        Its even in the laws informed by Islam.
      - ukipforbritain
        
        The oil will run out in the Middle East in approximately the next 30 years. The population is increasing massively but the economic and societal infrastructure to support them will not exist. There will not be the jobs needed. All hell is going to break out in the region and Islam will make it a thousand times worse.
      - cartimandua
        
        The new Tesla battery holds out some hope as far as energy goes. But absolutely since they squander what oil an aid money there is on having tribes of children there wont be enough jobs.
    - Hendrik
      
      But you belong to that same exclusive club, with members who kill on your god’s behalf.
Ron Todd

Douglas Murray and yourself have some protection by being part of the establishment, you can joke about it. Ordinary white working class people could be in serious trouble if we however innocently do or say something that a Muslim object to. Drawing cartoons will obviously be illegal, what about going to a church that is close to a Mosque, or being a woman out on her own, could I be arrested for objecting to mass rape?
rtj1211

Look Mr Liddle, there’s precious little difference between islamic nutters who stop short of chopping people’s heads off and ‘master race Londoners’ who consider anyone living outside the M25 a lesser being, especially those whose computers they hack for commercial gain (don’t ever believe that the A-Rabs aren’t seriously into hacking computers – the £200bn of the Abu Dhabi Investment Authority will be placed as a bail bond against the fact that islamic mobsters weren’t hacking my PC in Leeds when i was analysing under-promoted Swiss Ski Resorts, which they pilfered for their own use…….)

Quite why they airbrush out all the absolute holes in London but focus on the worst bits of Liverpool, Bradford, Swansea etc etc (when anyone with a pea for a brain knows that Cheshire, the Wirral, the coast up to Southport and beyond, the Gower, Mumbles etc etc are seriously nice places to have a pad and cost about a tenth of the price of Kensington, Highgate or Richmond) is beyond me. It just says you have an internal psycho-complex which hasn’t been picked up by your employers (unsurprising if they suffer the same racist tendencies).

The first thing Ed Miliband should do is send anti-white racist Londoners to prison, ban them for 10 years from running their own websites. Make them give blowjobs to all the sex offenders in prison, you know the sort of ‘radical short-sharp shock’ treatments we’ve had proposed over the years. Treat them the way they write about others: with contempt.

It would be cheaper to do to nazis as the nazis did to Jews (many Arsenal fans after all sang ‘One man went to gas, went to gas a yiddo’ before they got more obsessed with Ashley Cole’s mobile phone), but we’re all namby pamby and democratic, so we just cringe in embarrassment as those who scream shock, horror, outrage, outrage when someone says that the odd gay, black, woman, muslim or trendy leftie has done the odd naughty thing in their time write absolutely hard core racist things about whole groups of people who are white, British and live in regions of the country outside London and then just claim it’s ‘banter’.

But he won’t, because that’s core Labour Party policy as expressed through Arsene Wenger’s socialist disciples………

That’s why Arsene Wenger doesn’t deserve respect – he appeases anti-white racists season ticket holders at the Emirates who write far too much about Arsenal FC for his reputation to remain intact……..

Nothing special about black people where racism is concerned. Nor homosexuals.

You trash regional white British as a group, you are racist. End of discussion.
AverageGuyInTheStreet

Serious question.. I genuinely want to know so please someone enlighten me… how exactly does this “Muslim lobbying” we hear about work? You know the one- our kids are all getting fed halal at school because it would be too expensive to provide and organise halal and non-halal, and VOCIFEROUS MUSLIM LOBBYING won the fight over the rest of us, who would I’d imagine prefer our children not to be fed meat killed in a bizarre alien religious sacrifice, and would prefer animal welfare to come before crazy religious demands. Or for example say Geert Wilders, Robert Spencer or a similar outspoken critic of Islam were due to come here as an invited speaker at a public debate, but there’s that VOCIFEROUS MUSLIM LOBBYING again and our Home Secretary submits and bans them from even entering the country due to “community cohesion” whatever the hell that is supposed to be. Or VOCIFEROUS MUSLIM LOBBYING establishing Sharia courts operating a parallel legal system in the UK. And polygamy- including the payment of benefits to many wives… let me guess… VOCIFEROUS MUSLIM LOBBYING again? And of course, good old Islamophobia, the made-up concept designed to silence Islam’s critics. Could it be that VOCIFEROUS MUSLIM LOBBYING by any chance?

So, please, enlighten me- this is a democracy, right? This is a post-Christian country in Europe, England being the racial homeland of the English race. Yet what we or our kids eat, the legal system operating around us, who we can and can not hear speak, what we can and can not say or think, is being dictated by an alien minority with customs that the rest of us find by and large abhorrent??

How the f*ck does that work???
- Hzle
  
  Partly the fact that the current national hobby is calling each other “racist” – tiptoeing around this accusation seems to make up much of politics, at every level: in the press*, in the police (do I have to mention grooming again?**) public sector jobs, in councils, and in Westminster.
  
  * look at any debate on immigration – you can count the seconds till an accusation of racism or xenophobia is made.
  
  ** damn, I just did
  - AverageGuyInTheStreet
    
    I really don’t get it. Why doesn’t the Home Secretary just tell them to f*ck off? Is it just to get some peace and quiet? Why not just ensure the all phonecalls, emails and post from the MCB and other similar Islamist lobbying groups just go straight in the bin?
Mark

TV debate required here. We all probably should know how religions work (or at least two of the three Abrahamic ones), where, eg for Jews and Christians, the literalism of Leviticus and Deuteronomy has been left behind. It could pop up again, depending on social events, so we have to be wary, but it’s unlikely at the moment.
But it strikes me that we don’t know how widespread, outside of secular, liberal, modern Muslims, the literalism of the Quran, and particularly the Hadith are followed.

Get the likes of Ibrahim Mogra and Ajmal Masroor and a few others and discuss how they have decided that the perfectness of the Quran is not that perfect at all, and things should be ignored (get Haitham al Haddad in there too!). Ignore their “particular context” rubbish and ask why people ignore the “particular context”. Is Islam being taught or understood wrongly in too many places? Does the book need a re-write or at least hefty footnotes for the horrible verses? Discuss the horrible stuff in the Hadith. How did ISIS decide to use the Hadith about chucking homosexuals off of tall buildings? Or is that an “unreliable” Hadith? What exactly makes a Hadith “unreliable” or to be ignored?

Should apostates be killed, no matter whether in an “ideal Islamic state” or anywhere?

Discuss what children are taught from an early age. Is it the supremacy thing? If denied, ask why it prevails amongst certain conservative orthodoxies. Discuss why they are quite happy to promote the “We love Mohammed more than our own families,” on the back of the murder of cartoonists. Can they change that fervency, or are they even willing to do that?

Ask them why a TV documentary on the origins of Islam, drew death threats.

Have Ed sit in this debate.

Disclaimer: If Ed was talking about physical attacks, then fine, but there is already a law against that. What he hasn’t done, is to define what “Islamophobia” is in his view.
Dominic Stockford

Jolly good article. Amazed to find myself agreeing with you Rod!
Patrick Roy

Islamaloathia. A phobia’s an irrational fear, and there’s nothing irrational about disliking the “religion of piece”.
Sehar

As a young Muslim I actually found this quite factual, an insight into the thoughts of someone who isn’t Muslim, many people will have these opinions but will never say them. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I respect that, and that is why I don’t take offence to what is written, because it is true. There is ISIS who are tricking young Muslims into believing they must ‘fight’ for their religion. But here’s what many people don’t know, this is not Islam. In Islam there is the holy book, the Quran and ALL terrorist groups take bits and pieces from the Quran to make their disgusting actions seem like they are part of Islam, for example it is written in the Quran to respect other people. However terrorist groups would see this as ‘all non-Muslims must die’. It is pathetic and it makes Islam seem like a Cult instead of a religion. All religions have extremists, but I wouldn’t even call Islamic terrorists, extremists. Every mosque has a preacher- if you will, it is there job to pass on their knowledge of Islam onto the younger ones. However, imagine of one preacher is sick minded and ‘preaches Islam’ onto younger people with their incorrect terrorist views, the damage is severe as their views are then passed on to hundreds of young Muslims who then believe that this is what Islam is. The preachers try to interpret Islam and then spread these poisonous views into younger minds and many of these young Muslims don’t even check to see of the facts are correct and in the Quran, they will just agree to the disgusting views…AND this is how terrorist groups are formed, all it takes is one sick minded person to pass on terrorist views about Islam and pass on the knowledge. The message of my religion is about PEACE and not DESTROY EVERYTHING.I am one of the lucky Muslims to have the knowledge about my religion, anything that is preached to me I will make sure that it is true. Islam has taught me to respect my parents and respect the views of others. This is why I have atheist friends, christian friends, homosexual friends, Jewish friends etc. There is many Muslims like me out there and we all want you to know that if you ever have any questions about Islam do not hesitate to ask us.(That is unless they start screaming about ‘kaffirs**’ and how they are bad…if so then stay away from them!) I want to show the world that there is a difference between psychotic Hitler like terrorists…and Muslims. And frankly I think putting a law on Islamophobia (that word is seriously too funny) is wrong because everyone is entitled to their own opinion, putting restrictions on opinions won’t help anyone, it will just piss off a lot of people, the only way is to educate people! ** kaffirs means non Muslims, a word often used by crazy ‘Islamic’ preachers
P.S. wearing the burka (otherwise known as Batman’s costume haha) is not written in the Quran, all that is said is not to wear too revealing clothing…completely misinterpreted!
- Mark
  
  I think we agree. I have a post on here somewhere which asks how religions work and how the “bad bits” are dumped or ignored (any why), and outside of modern, liberal Muslims, how the conservative othodox are running things and what the spread of taking things too literally actually is, ie we have no real idea. Not too many get the chance to answer that, and when some do, they deflect and deny, which is hugely annoying.
  
  I grew up with a lot of Jewish kids at a comprehive school. Should they have gone to the local orthodox Jewish school? Of course not, if their parents didn’t want that, so why should all Muslims be looked upon as orthodox conservative? Those Jewish “kids” are now adult, and still retain what they consider to be “Jewish” and two I have kept in touch with, are married to non-Jewish ladies.
  
  I feel there is a real fear amongst the orthodoxy that to become more accepting of modern society, is to lose something. But then again, I can only compare the orthodoxy in Islam with the orthodoxy in other religions which simply wants to seperate. If challenging that is “Islamophobia” then Ed has the wrong idea – unless of course, he wants to give a definition of the word.
  - Sehar
    
    I can say i definitely agree with you, but i think the problem is that the media has to influence many peoples opinions, no one gives a toss about a Muslim man all his life’s earnings on expanding an orphanage, yet when ISIS post a threat it will be all over the news! this is one of our main struggles to see Muslims portrayed as heartless creatures, when Muslims like myself want people to hear our opinions, and hopefully stop people hating our religion
    - Callipygian
      
      Nobody hates your religion for what it is; we despise and fear those that kill in its name. That is more important, I’m afraid. It is your co-religionists that you must blame, not us.
      - Sehar
        
        I completely agree, I have had experiences where people have directly told me they hate Islam. I don’t consider terrorists as Muslims, their actions are not accepted in Islam, and cannot justify killing in the name of Islam
      - Callipygian
        
        God be with you.
      - Infidelissima
        
        blablabla
        
        you say ‘they are not real muslims’
        they say ‘you are not real muslims’
        
        Frankly, 1 book, that is THIS misinterpreted, by THIS many, THIS frequently, and in SUCH violent outcome for everybody in the world, is basically nothing more than a bunch of gibberish for cretins and illiterates.
    - Mark
      
      Some media outlets can be problematic in making stories out of non-stories, but nobody can get away from reporting on ISIS. Another fault of the media has been the “representatives” they have used over the last number of years, ie so-called “community leaders” (self-appointed) and groups like the MCB (self-appointed) and MPAC.
      For instance, during the “Trojan Horse” thing, there were individuals all saying “nothing to see here” and denying there were problems even now.
      The “veiling” issue(s) that were covered on media generally had representatives from the orthodxy, insisting how Muslims should dress and behave, ignoring the broader range who don’t want to be told how to dress.
      The Charlie Hebdo thing just had those reps moaning about free-speech limitations and basically implying that nothing could be done about trouble because “we love Mohammed more than we love our families”.
      After Woolwich, because the Quran had been mentioned by the killer, there was a rush to defend the faith and a lot of deflection and denialism.
      There are other examples.
      
      All that stuff doesn’t help, because they become the face of everyone else, and apart from a few (generally Quilliam people and Sara Khan), the non-conservative orthodox view doesn’t get a real hearing.
- TheCitizenAct
  
  With respect, it’s not our problem. Civilised society doesn’t exist to mediate the internal conflicts within movements.
  
  We’re told it’s the politics of fear. Guess what? I’m afraid. When people’s heads are chopped off in the middle of the street – I’m afraid. Funny that, eh?
  - Sehar
    
    It is terrifying, but ever wonder what its like in our shoes? I get so many hate comments and that makes me scared too, I have had many experiences, especially after groups like ISIS gaining attention in the media, high school is a living HELL for me.
    - TheCitizenAct
      
      I don’t see it that way. If you are terrified, there’s a very easy solution: opt-out of Islam. Islam has never been a part of British culture now, as far as I’m concerned, it’s far too big a part of British culture. Islam is not a facet of British identity, no religion is – we have roots in Christianity but we live in a secular society.
      
      We, the British electorate, do not bring religious strife to other people’s countries. It’s not our culture, it’s not our backwards philosophies and, without meaning to sound heartless, it’s not our problem.
      
      We want peace. Islam, clearly, isn’t peaceful. Yes, the majority may be peace loving – I remain to be convinced, if the polling above is anything to go by, I witness even moderate Muslims expressing values which are antithetical to those held by Western civilisation – but who cares? History tells us it’s not the majority who invoke massive social upheaval, it’s the minority.
      
      There’s a very potent, very vocal, very terrifying minority within Islam which wants to reap the rewards of living in Western civilisation while denouncing it, at every available opportunity, for all its ‘evil ways.’ They are like a bunch of mob wives – they’ll insult their husbands (their providers) for all their wicked ways but they’ll quite gladly wear the mink coat that fell off the back of the truck.
      
      British society has been tolerant enough – far more tolerant than Islamabad would ever have been were we to stick 2.7 million indigenous British people in the middle of Islamabad, and with all their liberal attitudes towards alcohol, drugs and pornography.
      
      The ‘diversity’ burden (a burden imposed solely on western civilisations), imposed upon us through the exploitation of every social narrative in existence – see racism, xenophobia, etc. – has gone on long enough. It’s time to start calling a spade a spade. It’s time to start defining ‘British culture’ for what it’s not, rather than for what it is.
      - Sehar
        
        I wouldn’t opt out of Islam because I love the religion I just don’t like the negativity around it, for people to see it is peaceful they need to look into Islam, read a Quran. Islam has taught me so many life lessons, I was never really into my religion at first but I went through a serious time of depression and that was the first time I ever picked up a Quran. I honestly believe that if I didn’t have my religion I wouldn’t be living.
      - TheCitizenAct
        
        Why? Why do I need to read a Quran? So, if a Christian decides to decapitate a man in the middle of the street and does so in the name of Jesus Christ and the second coming, do I need to re-read the bible to appreciate the true meaning of his act? Nah, my religion is pretty simple – it’s called the rule of law. Second in line is freedom of expression, and freedom of association. Third in line is equality, irrespective of sexuality, gender, or ethnicity.
        
        Give me one compelling reason why I need to assimilate with a religion…why do I need to assimilate with Islam? I have no inclination to. You’re getting this the wrong way round.
        
        I respect your right to worship whichever deity or molester of young children you choose. It’s not my problem. If it makes you a better person, then so be it – more power to you. It only becomes my problem as far as it interferes with political and legal institutions. At that point, I will express an opinion.
      - Sehar
        
        First of all i am sorry because I have given you the wrong idea, you don’t have to associate yourself with a religion! You are free to have whatever opinion you like, I am simply just expressing that Islam is important to me. I enjoy reading about other religions to get a better understanding but if you don’t wish to do so that is your choice, but I think respecting other religions is also important.
      - TheCitizenAct
        
        Again, fair enough. There’s no need to apologise.
        
        I extend as much respect to Islam as it does to civilised society.
        
        You seem like a nice guy but truth be told, we didn’t come up the Clyde on a banana boat. In other words, we aren’t daft.
        
        What grates me is all over the world, British people are renowned for their tolerance – we’re a very, very tolerant bunch; that tolerance hasn’t just been systemically exploited, it has been stepped on. Rahman did it in Tower Hamlets, educators did it through Trojan Horse, and we did it to ourselves by elevating the crime of synthetic racism above a requirement to keep children safe and away from child molesters. Day after day, it’s exploited.
        
        We live in a society where public officials deem it more important to protect their political party from synthetic – wholly synthetic – accusations of racism, than protect children from child molestation. We live in THAT society. That’s how far political correctness has gone, that’s how much they exploit social narratives (and continue to do so today).
        
        Many of us are sick to the back teeth of being told ‘we’re too white’ (OFSTED), ‘or it’s not good enough entering the UK only to see a sea of white faces’ (David Cameron). Day after day, another narrative is exploited and flung in our faces – racism used to be racism and xenophobia used to be xenophobia.
        
        Nowadays, both are merely political tools to be exploited and used to make the majority conform to the ideals of the few, and one of those ideals is a belief that hundreds of disparate cultures, many from backwards, rural communities, can integrate into some diverse, social utopia, despite the years of evidence which proves the contrary.
        
        We’re tired of tolerance. We ran out of it.
      - Callipygian
        
        Tolerance, Citizen, is a two-way street. We have been asked to give it all — in the face of assault on our freedoms, assault on our bodies, heinous crimes committed on our children, and murder. I hope that Sehar is the future of gratitude to Britain from non-natives and that you are the type of voter that will determine the outcome of this election.
      - Infidelissima
        
        I don’t believe a word coming out of a muslim’s mouth anymore – that’s how far I’ve been pushed.
      - Callipygian
        
        I understand.
    - Damaris Tighe
      
      My condolences, Sehar, on the loss of your aunt in such awful circumstances. I don’t agree with your posts, but I appreciate the patient & gentle way in which you make your point.
    - Infidelissima
      
      I’m sorry for your loss too.
      The bravery of many muslim women defying terrorism everyday, does humble me.
- Infidelissima
  
  sort out your own nutters, you cowards
  - Sehar
    
    Seriously, yeah just let me go and tell them to stop killing people like Malala Yousafsai did.she was lucky she survived.
    - Infidelissima
      
      She was indeed!
      What sort of people are these who are justified by their religion, to shoot young girls for wanting an education?
      
      Her countries’ government – Pakistan – aids and provides safe havens for Islamic terrorists. Karachi is the city with most terrorist attacks on the planet: Muslims blowing up Muslims.
      
      Pakistan is also home to countless terrorist training camps.
      Are you telling me that space-program-Pakistan, does not know where they are located, and could not, should they wish, obliterate them?
cartimandua

The trouble is Sehar there are only 2 modernist Mosques in the UK while in the USA it is 36%. What chance do Muslims in the UK have?
- Sehar
  
  Well first of all, I believe the Muslims like myself need to be heard, the ‘proper Muslims’ who go by the Quran. There are many mosques I go to and all of which I can confidently say support my views. Most of my knowledge is from going to the mosque, and from understanding the difference between psychotic nonsense and Quranic studies
  - cartimandua
    
    You still have to cherry pick from the Koran in order to avoid the nasty verses which are undoubtedly there. Most of the Mosques in this country are from sects which adhere to the worst possible interpretations.
    If they have been thinking as you do the polls would not reflect hideous opinions amongst Muslims and there would be no risk from terrorism.
    The proof of the pudding is before us I’m afraid. We see too many wearing tribal hijabs which are religiosity not faith, and too many think the worst possible opinions are the real Islam. That’s what the polls show.
TheCitizenAct

Pfft, call that Islamophobia? THIS is ‘Islamophobia.’ This comment was deleted from this website, the Guardian – within 35 seconds and after receiving 4 upvotes – and the Telegraph. What’s so disparaging about it? What’s the problem with it?

Let me tell you: the problem is…it’s all true.

“Here’s my comment again (previously deleted). Please note, Mr. fascist Telegraph moderator, all I’m doing is citing legitimate statistics, from legitimate sources (including this newspaper), as well as citing actual events which have, you know, actually happened. Check the sources, they are all legitimate.

60% of Muslims would reject homosexuals as friends.

66% of Muslims believe that religious law is more important than the law of the land in which they live.

45% of Muslims think Jews can’t be trusted.

75% of Muslims believe there’s only one legitimate interpretation of the Koran.

45% of Muslims believe Western Civilisation is out to destroy Islam.

http://www.wzb.eu/en/press-rel…

The survey was conducted across six European countries and solicited responses from 9,000 Muslims.

35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified.

42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified.

22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.

29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.

http://pewresearch.org/assets/…

40% of Muslims want Sharia Law introduced in the UK.

20% of British Muslims (520,000 people) sympathise with 7/7 bombers.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new…

An alternative survey suggests as many as 25% of British Muslims sympathise with the 7/7 bombers.

28% of British Muslims hope the UK will become a religious fundamentalist Islamic state.

78% of British Muslims support punishment for those who publish cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed.

62% of British Muslims believe free speech shouldn’t be protected when it offends religious groups.

68% of British Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of British people who insult Islam.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ma…

I do enjoy watching as the sensible in western society squabble with the apologists over just how much condemnation is the appropriate amount. I’m sure the Islamic terrorists will be quaking in their boots at the thought of all the carefully concocted condemnation of their actions (or lack thereof).

Add to this 17,000 forced marriages every year in the UK, 6,000 cases of FGM, calls for the imposition of Sharia law in London boroughs, Lee Rigby, Paris, Ottawa, Sydney, 7/7, 9/11, rocket attacks against out police forces, Sharia courts taking precedence over the rule of law etc….

…multiculturalism, you say?

What happens when – not if – the current 2.6 million Muslim population becomes a majority? Many predict this will happen as soon as 2050. Soon enough parties will come to the fore, so too will leaders, and the calls for the imposition of Sharia Law will get ever stronger. What then? How do we tackle this within the confines of ‘multiculturalism’?”

I await deletion when your synthetic outrage is shown for what it really is: outright appeasement. Islam is a cultural cesspit. If it were anything other than a ‘religion’ it would be banished from society and seen for what it really is: a hateful, medieval and misogynistic – yeah, take that feminists, REAL misogyny! – ideology.
- Sehar
  
  You are entitled to your opinion and i respect that, however as a young Muslim, I have to say that I do not agree with your statistics, many websites are misleading, therefor I would suggest to first of all check you have a reliable source of statistics. You are suggesting that Islam should be banished, however from growing up in a Muslim family I have been taught from the Quran and my religion to respect my parents, accept people for who they are and to save up money each week and at the end of the month to donate it to a chosen charity. This is all in the Quran. If you are going to seriously question a religion may i suggest you research it, read a Quran, then make your judgement. As a Muslim I have always been curious of other religions and therefor bought a Bible and read it, afterwards i had many questions and went to my local church, who helped tremendously, ever since then I have been going to the church to help out with charity events. I say it again that I am willing to answer any questions you have about Islam to show that there is a huge difference between terrorists and Muslims!
  - Hendrik
    
    what does your islam say about gay people?
    - Sehar
      
      In the Quran it is written to respect others and their decisions, I interpret that as if people are happy then let them be. My friend recently ‘came out’ and I can not imagine how difficult it must have been for her, and me being a Muslim, i was the first person she told. Now that she has announced her decision, i can see that she is much more confident in herself and I am just so happy to see her being so comfortable
      - Hendrik
        
        Not good enough, because if you read the papers and see islam “alive and in action”, you see that islamic countries do actually kill gays by sharia law, so islam does not preach what it says to the world.
      - Sehar
        
        It not in the Quran, and frankly that disgusts me, no one deserves to be killed, Sharia Law is one of the things i do not agree with. It makes it ‘ok’ for people to practice their terrorist behavior. If you read a Quran it does not say that it is acceptable to kill others. Muslims follow the Quran, anyone to do otherwise should not call themselves Muslim
      - Hendrik
        
        Again .. but, but , but ….. excuses … no! it is a fact that there are sharia / islamic countries that DO kill gays for being gay.
        And, I actually think you do not know exactly what the koran tells you … because yes, in the koran itself it IS justified to kill for the cause of islam.
      - Sehar
        
        You are right, I have not studied the Quran as much as i can because I am still young, and have a lot to learn.
        The word used most often in Quran, that is so often mistranslated as kill; slay; or slaughter is not jihad, it is Qital and if you look to the Arabic, you will quickly understand this word in today’s usage would clearly be combat.
        For more information on this matter you should visit the website listed below, it often helps me to clear up any misconceptions in Islam
        http://www.justaskislam.com/32/does-islam-say-kill-the-infidels/
      - Infidelissima
        
        If I had the misfortune to be born into this death cult, I’d cut my ties as soon as possible.
        
        At least that way, I’d still have some self respect.
      - Scotty1965
        
        Sehar, how can you say that Islam doesn’t suggest death for homosexual acts when Ibn al-Jawzi records Muhammad as cursing sodomites in several hadith, and recommending the death penalty for both the active and passive partners in same-sex acts?
        The Prophet himself recommended they be put to death and, correct me if I’m wrong here but, isn’t His word supposed to be the word of Allah?
      - Hendrik
        
        Well …. you believe in teachings that tell you that gays should die, and that apostates should die, and that people could be kept as slaves. It is all in your koran. You belong to a club of people who has members who kill on your behalf, because they are told to do so in your koran.
        I can hardly believe I, as a non muslim know more about your religion than you do.
        I do not care if you “explain” my misunderstanding of your qital, or jihad. What I see in the news today is people being murdered for being gay in the name of your religion. And I see killings of christians in Syria and Iraq, because these people refuse to become a muslim …
        Your club of people kills people who are not part of it. That is the reality – we see it right now in Syria and Iraq and Nigeria .. how can your religion justify this?
      - Hendrik
        
        PS .. I don’t want to be horrible to you. But: respecting your parents, not stealing, not killing, honesty and care for others are NOT invented ideas by islam; they are normal human ideas.
      - Infidelissima
        
        LOL, indeed, they are the 10 commandments of the Old Testament, stupid!!!!
      - Sehar
        
        I was just taking this from the Quran, but i am aware that the bible and the Quran are similar in some matters.
      - Hendrik
        
        Yeah, but the bible people don’t kill gays any more …. many islamic countries still do … so are they wrong? Even though it says so in the koran?
        To me – you are part of a club that wants to kill me, and your club has shown that you do have members that actually do the killing.
        Are you saying that Saudi Arabia … you know, the country that has Mecca … is wrong to have the sharia law that says that gay people should be executed?
      - Infidelissima
        
        no, not similar: copied. Another thing Muslims re-appropriated.
        
        The Old Testament came roughly 4,000 years, and the New Testament 600 years, before Islam.
      - Jackthesmilingblack
        
        No graven images, right beed mumblers?
      - Infidelissima
        
        it does? How come you don’t live by that then?
        
        liar
  - TheCitizenAct
    
    I don’t care to read the Quran. It’s not my religion, it’s not the state religion. I don’t care to read the bible either. I’m agnostic for a reason, for what I have read of the Quran…well, put it this way, I’ve read enough.
    
    I have absolutely no inclination to assimilate with Islam, or understand your religion, nor should I have to in order to voice an opinion on an ILLEGAL act carried out under its name – Islam, if it wants to integrate into British society, should pick up a copy of our unwritten constitution.
    
    My interest in Islam only extends as far as the political and legal spheres or, in other words, BRITISH institutions.
    
    I’m citing legitimate statistics from legitimate sources. Trust me, there are plenty more.
    - Sehar
      
      I was only suggesting you read a Quran to get a better understanding of Islam. It is clear you have an understanding about Islam and have made your mind up about my religion and I respect that.
      - TheCitizenAct
        
        Fair enough.
      - Infidelissima
        
        I read some excerpts of the Koran here and there, and no thank you!
        Keep your pedophiliac guide to hatred, war and bloodshed to yourselves, and stop ramming it down our throats.
        
        You wonderful peaceful Muslims can’t even live in peace with each other, let alone anybody else on the planet, and then you have the audacity to tell us to read your BS, about flying horses and child rapists. I wish you would all go back to your 57 countries, you greedy animals have invaded by the sword, and leave the rest of the world alone already.
        
        Please, remember what happened last time you tried to invade us, and who won the last crusades!
      - Sehar
        
        My motive is not to convert you to Islam or anything, I was simply suggesting you read the Quran to understand my religion, you don’t want to so you don’t have to, no one is forcing you.
      - Infidelissima
        
        To understand this religion, it’s enough to observe the behaviour of its’ followers.
      - crosscop
        
        Some of us understand your religion all too well. What we don’t understand is how a rational human being can worship an insane deity like Allah or revere a truly awful man like Mohammad.
        How anyone who has read all the Hadith which describe the appalling things Mo got up to and still think he is a role model must be insane.
      - Jean de Valette
        
        I have indeed read the Koran and decided Islam is absolutely, categorically not for me.
        Having said that, I’d also add that I very much appreciate your politeness, Sehar.
      - cartimandua
        
        We don’t need to read it to see what it produces with our eyes and polls.
      - Sehar
        
        If that’s how you feel then it’s understandable, we all have our opinions.
      - cartimandua
        
        Its not my opinion which counts. All the polls show that Muslims in this country have high %s of really awful opinions.
        
        Clearly if those opinions are coming from outside religion religion is not dealing with them effectively.
      - crosscop
        
        I have read the Koran three or four times. I have marked the more “interesting” verses in highlighter pen.
        In one of these “interesting” verses (5:33) Allah justifies crucifixion and the lopping off of hands and feet.
        In another (4:34) he justifies wife-beating.
        I don’t care for your barbaric god or your barbaric religion. Nobody with any decency would.
    - Callipygian
      
      Perhaps one of our problems is that so much of our constitution IS unwritten, or at least not in one handy place. I think Britain urgently needs a law of Parliament, a fundamental law of the polity, securing and guaranteeing the right to free speech (which means political speech, not shouting fire in a theatre). The Americans have it, and they are freer as a result.
  - ukipforbritain
    
    I’m afraid your viewpoint and opinions would become irrelevant as extremists took precedence. You would be made to bow to their will like everyone else. However, disaster awaits these evil-doers and they will not succeed in their plans.
- Infidelissima
  
  The truth is hate, for this who hate the truth.
Diggery Whiggery

“As you will see next week, Labour relies upon the Allah block vote in very many constituencies (and especially the postal votes of Muslim constituents who do not speak English and probably do not even know that a general election is taking place). ”

Oh Rod, you’re not suggesting that Labour has benefited and continues to benefit from postal vote errrr……. ahem……..mistakes are you?

I’m sure Luftur Rahman learnt his craft after having left the Labour party.
Steve Moxon

I’m rather looking forward to challenging Liebore’s prospective new law against paying wimmin for sex. It strikes me that it will be fun all round. The sex bit, obviously; but using ‘PC’-fascists’ own fatuous hate-mongering, upside-down ‘identity politics ‘PC’-totalitarian principles against them would be such an endlessly mirth-generating activity that it will be quite addictive.
Callipygian

As others here have pointed out, not only are some fears rational, they’re not mere fears of a future event but horror at proven, existing ones.
Hegelman

Why not read this on a historical and cost-benefit level and admit Islam has both done great good and some evil? Reject the evil, by all means, but why deny the good? Islamic architecture, achievements in science, form much of the basis of world culture. There is no point jeering at the Taj Mahal and the Alhambra and the Mosque of Omar.

Islam brought the zero from India and gave it to the world, thus making advanced mathematics possible. Einstein called the zero the most ingenious and essential of all human discoveries.

Islam pioneered algebra – an Arab word.

Islam saved Greek philosophy, which the Christians had done their best to wipe out.

In short, Islam is like Christianity and Communism: great benefits and great evils. Fight the evils, keep the good.

And Islamic extremism was deliberately and cold-bloodedly fuelled by the US and the UK for their own goal of bleeding the Soviets in the 1980s. Pakistan was flooded with guns and hard drugs and savage cut-throat-stone-women Islamist propaganda printed in a US university at the behest of the American government.

Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, an Afghan Isalmist who specialised in throwing acid in the faces of unveiled women, was a particular favourite of the US and UK governments.

In India the British nearly always sided with Muslims against Hindus, no matter how violent they were.

I am afraid given all that I have no sympathy with your predicament today. It is well deserved. It couldn’t have happened to nicer people.
- crosscop
  
  You really have swallowed all the Muslim propaganda – hook, line and sinker. “Islamic” architecture and science were taken by the Muslims from the more advanced civilisations – such as India, Greece, Persia and Egypt- that they had conquered and enslaved. As for saving Greek philosophy – they destroyed the Byzantine Empire (Greek) which had actually preserved it.
  Now, your “sins of the fathers” stuff – are you really suggesting that living people should be punished for what some people in their nation’s past got up to? If so, shouldn’t we all be whipping ourselves because of what “we” did to the Neanderthals.
  - Richard
    
    Because that would make Africans the biggest colonisers and exploiters in the world, and that would never do for the Left. They have a narrative to protect.
- cartimandua
  
  The vast majority of Muslim achievements were developed from the Greeks.
  Its all been stalled since the medieval period.
  And by the way? The nasty ol West has saved millions and millons of Muslim lives. We saved people from conflict hunger and diseases.
  Now the West has backed off the death toll is ever upwards.
  Islamic extremism comes from the way women are treated worse than goats. Child marriage and polygamy has lead to 100 million in the youth bulge of the MENA region and in every single Muslim country.
  If you are right and its all the Wests fault there would be no hunger disease conflict or unemployment in Muslim countries.
  Truth is
  God doesn’t provide.
- GraveDave
  
  Islam brought the zero from India and gave it to the world,
  
  Did they loot that as well?
  - Hegelman
    
    Give the fellows a break – at least they knew what was worth looting!
    - Infidelissima
      
      Indeed, today they also use western/jewish technology to spread their hated of the West/Jews.
      
      But why should we give them a break?
      I have daughters.
      - Sehar
        
        Because not all of us are terrorists
      - Hendrik
        
        But you choose to stay a member of the club that kills apostates, homosexuals, and other non muslims.
        You and your followers give strength and support to the muslims who live by the letter the way the koran was written.
      - Infidelissima
        
        Everybody is someone’s daughter or son, Sehar.
        It’s a non argument!
        I think it is indeed stupid for Muslims to use Western- and Jewish-invented technology, to spread hatred against the West.
        I’m not saying you are doing this, but many many MANY Muslims do. A ‘tiny minority’ of 1.6 billion, is still hundreds of millions of people.
        If I draw a cartoon of Mohammed, it’s clear to see how tiny this minority actually is. This is why I don’t believe any of you anymore.
        
        As for my daughters: they are strong, intelligent and confident enough, not to whinge and cry about a stranger calling them ‘stupid’ on an internet forum, but to reply with a strong position. Your people seem incapable of doing so: they either rant until they froth at their mouths, or they complain and cry and point the finger at everybody else. There’s never an actual dialogue.
        
        Have a good life Sehar.
  - Rafael30
    
    So that’s why they call Obama zero.
- MRDA
  
  “Not everytghing Islamic is bad…but you all deserve to be dhimmified!”
  
  Not a shred of cognitive dissonance there at all.
- Richard
  
  It is important to understand that people who had Arabic names were not necessarily Muslims. Many were dhimmies, (Jews and Christians, mainly), but obliged to take Islamic names. Many were forced to convert to Islam, too. They may have lived under Islamic government, but were not necessarily Muslims.
  - Hegelman
    
    Did I deny this?
    
    I am not a Muslim.
    
    But I don’t see the point of taking a nihilistic attitude to a great civilization that along with its faults past and present has given the world a lot.
    
    If you want to see what Islam was like in the early centuries to Jews read Simon Schamas’ recent book “The Jews”. He is a staunch Jew and a great historian. He shows beyond a tincture of doubt that the Christian world of the early Muslim era was far more savage in its treatment of Jews and other religions than Islam was. Jews as a rule welcomed Muslim victories in those times: Anything was better than the genocidal anti-Semitism of the Christians.
    
    Read the early Church Fathers on the Jews – people like Ambrose and John Chrysotom and Jerome and Paul and you will see Hitler invented little in his brutal fulminations against the Jews.
    
    Such a great writer as Jorge Luis Borges was fascinated by the rich cultural life of Muslim Spain.
    
    As I have already said, great historical movements like Christianity and Islam and Communism have to be appreciated for the good they do as well as the undoubted great evils. Any other attitude is nihilistic.
    - Richard
      
      Muslims were compelled by the Koran to treat people “of the Book” in a certain way, but there is also much evidence for mass oppression of Jews, killings, forced conversions, etc. Some Jews did progress to great positions in the Islamic world, as they did in Venice. Christians were under no specific obligation to treat people “of the Book” well, excepting the general Christian principle. In other words, it was not any greater moral reason, but simply religious exhortation.
      
      A lot of the “savage Christian/noble Muslim” narrative was revisionist readings by Left-leaning historians, too. Some years ago, skeletons were discovered of Crusaders who had been killed by the Saracens, which showed they had been extremely brutally killed, contrary to what revisionists had told us.
      
      Some years ago I read, “The Cross in the Shadow of the Crescent” which was informative.
cartimandua

Hegelman
Before the Crusades there were 8 centuries of Muslim expansionism. It was so bad at some points parts of Europe were denuded by murder and slaving.
If the sins of the Fathers etc Muslims have a lot to answer for.
In current times Christians, Yasidis ,and Kurds as well as the “wrong sort of Muslim” are being mass murdered.
Islam doesn’t seem to produce many moral beings or moral societies.
If it did there would never be any legal code condoning child marriage, rape, or murder of women.
Most Muslim countries permit and condone or fail to prosecute those things.
- Hegelman
  
  Islam is like Christianity and Communism: great benefits and great evils. Fight the evils, keep the good.
  
  Islamic extremism was deliberately and cold-bloodedly fuelled by the US and the UK for their own goal of bleeding the Soviets in the 1980s.
  Pakistan was flooded with guns and hard drugs and savage
  cut-throat-stone-women Islamist propaganda printed in a US university at
  the behest of the American government.
  
  Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, an Afghan Isalmist who specialised in throwing acid in the faces of unveiled women, was a particular favourite of the US and UK governments.
  
  Al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden were sponsored by the US at their outset.
  
  In India the British nearly always sided with Muslims against Hindus.
  
  I am afraid given all that I have no sympathy with your predicament
  today. It is well deserved. It couldn’t have happened to nicer
  people.
  - cartimandua
    
    Muslim extremism arises because of gender apartheid child marriage and polygamy.
    God doesn’t provide jobs.
    There are 100 million in the youth bulge of the MENA region.
    Islam is also useless at providing good governance and all Muslim countries are corrupt and run by fear and favour. That’s why the youth are fed up with it all.
Sehar

I give up, it’s clear we will never see eye to eye. I do not have the time to reply to every single comment. I think it is best that I leave it at that, you have your opinions and I have mine.
- cartimandua
  
  We all actually wish you well Sehar. If you would carry one thing with you perhaps it could be that when people insist that peasant customs are “the same as” the love of God they are talking dangerous rubbish.
  Faith and religiosity are not the same.
- Infidelissima
  
  I agree with you on this point: we will never see eye to eye.
  But then the question arises: why are you coming to our countries then, when you have 58 of your own?
Bluesman_1

So, which paladin of socialist probity will benefit from your support now good citizen?
MRDA

I think Islam has it (half-)right on democracy, if nothing else. In
fact, I imagine many an Egyptian Islamist probably shot their load over
how easy it was to slide their repressive rods balls-deep into the slit
of the ballot box.
Simerall

Your wife sounds sensible, Rod.
- Jackthesmilingblack
  
  First or second?
stephen_geneva

anyone who wants to see whats really going on should google barenakedislam note for left wing sensitive types some articles are a bit graphic.
WTF

Just as the term fascist or bigot has been so over used by the left against those telling it as it is that now its a badge of honor to be called one. Equally the term Religion of Peace has been so overused to the same extent that most treat the term in a derogatory sense as it epitomizes everything that is wrong with Islam when used. Most people will instantly associate sexual grooming, beheading, jihadism, terrorism and tossing gay people off roofs with the ROP.

Now its been re-defined in peoples minds to mean the exact opposite of the word ‘peace’ it will be interesting to see how Miliband or Theresa May would use references to this in any Islamphobia thought crime they are dreaming up. These two plonkers need to wake up and look at a long history of the English language being modified by the people to get around perverse and dumb legislation that is brought in.
- GraveDave
  
  Just as the term fascist or bigot has been so over used by the left against those telling it as it is that now its a badge of honor to be called one,
  
  It’s certainly true the Left do it more than the Right.But since UKIP the Tory ‘faithful’ are certainly catching up. I mean who would guess that the Tories would one day side with the Guardianista in wanting to allow thousands of black refugees or AID carriers into the country.
  
  And while we’re at it, Theresa May is also likely to clamp down on Hate Crime and ‘Islamophobia’.
  - WTF
    
    What the stupid cow doesn’t seem to appreciate is that use of language, expressions or words constantly evolve and that the establishment and the judiciary are always way behind the curve on the actual meanings that are currently in use.
    
    The word ‘gay’ is a classic example of this where its had three completely different meanings in my life time. Quite how they think that legislating on thought crimes, which is what she intends, can be applied when word meanings are constantly changing is ludicrous.
    
    When it gets out that saying one thing is illegal because May or Miliband deem it Islamophobic people will just use other words that adapt to the same intent and circumvent this social engineering cr**. Until they can actually read peoples minds, they can’t deduce intent and their legislation will fail.
Paul Weston

I write about Islam, but tend to churn out some pretty miserable stuff. Rod Liddle’s greatest strength is to take a thoroughly depressing subject and make it not just readable but un-put-downable amusing. Mark Steyn can also do it, but I can think of no other. In other words, hats off to Mr Liddle.
- GraveDave
  
  He rarely backtracks or apologizes either.
Infidelissima

why is the MSM ignoring this

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/05/02/watch-mosque-intervenes-in-farage-election-bid-by-painting-dome-with-political-message/#disqus_thread
- Wildflowers
  
  And this: http://order-order.com/2015/05/02/everydaysexualsegregation/#_@/hKVxobIyO0xSlQ
  
  Sexual segregation at a Labour meeting today.
Trojan

Is the invitation to the Election Aftermath with Brillo part of this story? If so, I would dread attending it if Labour lost, after all the work Andrew Neil put into rubbishing UKIP. The man would be soooo depressed, as he suffers from Faragophobia.
SoCalMike

It’s not a phobia when they’re trying to cut your head off.
SoCalMike

Compounding the problem of the thought police are pluralistic and tolerant Muslims in the West who believe the jihadis are not Islamic.
Although they mean well unfortunately their belief has no influence on the beliefs or thinking of the jihadis themselves hell bent on warring in the name of Islam.
PTB

Anyone considering voting for Labour need to see this :- http://guyfawk.es/1KCTHbH

A bunch of hypocrites immediately comes to mind – vote UKIP for real change.
- GraveDave
  
  Chris Grayling and Nick Clegg saying we musnt allow the courts to subvert Democracy.Hilarious what? After all the people we’ve been arresting and locking away for hate speech and thought crime.
Jackthesmilingblack

I’m still British, Rod. How about you?
Jack, the Japan Alps Brit
- GraveDave
  
  Where’s the ‘smiling black’ bit come into it Jack?
  - Jackthesmilingblack
    
    I just hint I’m Black to make myself more popular, oh humourless one.
- Richard
  
  “British” means nothing more than being born in Britain. You can espouse any value, be from any ethnicity, and still be “British”. The British committed suicide quite a long time ago now. It is like Muslims living in Rome calling themselves “Romans”, nothing more than a linguistic sleight-of-hand.
  - Jackthesmilingblack
    
    Born in Britain, British parents, British passport …
    But still not really British, right Richard. Or can I call you Dick?
    - Richard
      
      Born in Japan to parents born in Japan, still not Japanese. Born in China to parents born in China, still not Chinese.
    - Too Old To Join UKIP
      
      The perfect Britishness of Mohammed Emwazi and Amira Abase, according to the resident Japanese idiot!
  - Bonkim
    
    Being British has nothing to do with race but affinity to British history which continues to evolve.
    
    “Although early assertions of being British date from the Late Middle Ages, the creation of the Kingdom of Great Britain[29][30][31][32][33] in 1707 triggered a sense of British national identity.[34] The notion ofBritishness was forged during the Napoleonic Wars between Britain and the First French Empire, and developed further during theVictorian era.[34][35] The complex history of the formation of the United Kingdom created a “particular sense of nationhood and belonging” in Great Britain and Ireland;[34] Britishness became “superimposed on much older identities”, of English, Scots, Welshand Irish cultures, whose distinctiveness still resist notions of ahomogenised British identity.[36] Because of longstanding ethno-sectarian divisions, British identity in Ireland is controversial, but it is held with strong conviction by unionists.[37]
    - Richard
      
      British subjects – a legal definition – certainly were from all parts of the world. But that is how all empires were. The Turkish Empire, French Empires, etc., were all the same. However, Britain is a European country, as Pakistan is an Asian country, Nigeria an African country, and so on. Each region and ethnicity has its own cultural area. There are no non-ethnic Chinese regarded as Chinese, ditto Japanese, Zulus, etc. In some countries you are not even allowed to naturalise if you do not conform to the local ethnicity. Even factions are not regarded as necessarily properly part of the identity. Brits are quite happy to accept that with regard to others, but are peculiar when it comes to their own identity (or lack of identity). They will insist that somebody who has been here for ten minutes (not necessarily even speaking English) is as “British” as somebody whose family has been here for a thousand years or, indeed, since the Ice Age. There are not even any behavioural expectations, apart from the insistence on being Leftist in inclination, and resisting cohesiveness. it is a sort of chaos that tries to stay one step ahead of disintegration. This it does by attempting to “regularise” instead of assimilate. It hasn’t always been the case, of course, but that is certainly what it is now.
      - Bonkim
        
        That is what put the Great in Britain. One needed to be inclusive to be able to build an Empire with a very small number of people. Those that were stuck in their narrow ethnic/religious or sectarian enclosures never progressed.
        
        The real question is whether a narrow definition would allow the human race to survive the future or whether humanity needs to reinvent the concept of self-identity for long term survival.
        
        If you look up history – small tribes battled with each other until major Empires beat the hell out of them and brought them together – the Greeks, Egyptians, Romans, Persians, Indians, Chinese, Central Asian Mongol/Islamic Caliphates, etc, all had their day until the tribes of Europe came on the stage some three hundred years back – social organisation, re-invention of technology and organisational skills, as also contact with the Central Asian/Chinese/Arab superpowers of the day gave an impetus to adventure and the new world provided the economic opportunity for new Empires to come into being.
        
        If you look back – the concept of the nation state as we know today is a thing of the last century or so. Ingredients of present day English/British, even Scottish identities grew out of earlier myths but mainly as a result of the engagement with the growing Empire and when earlier attachments to narrow ethnicity and religion were put aside. British identity pre-WW2 was quite different to what it became post WW2 particularly post 1960s and 70s. I bet your Grand Dad from the 1930s will have difficulty understanding the language and social norms of today’s Britain – even not taking account of the new immigrants and their cultures.
        
        Lifecycle principles dictate that such things are cyclical and those that are able to adapt and change and challenge conventional thinking will succeed. Western civilization had its day, has now become too affluent, wasteful and complacent – those that are hungry will rise. That is how nature operates.
        
        The only problem today is that the earth is grossly overpopulated and the natural resources – water, land, energy, and minerals are running out. World trade and economics that were defined two/three hundred years back when new lands were being discovered and resources exploited and dependent on continued expansion no longer fits the purpose – wholesale conflict and destruction of what is there the only way out for a small group of humans to survive and start again. Regrettably politicians will not tell you that – living in hope of a better tomorrow is what gets them the votes.
zamzamwater40

“Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them.” Qur’an 2:191

“Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.” Qur’an 9:123

“When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them.” Qur’an 9:5

“Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable.” Qur’an 3:85

“The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them.” Qur’an 9:30

“Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam” Qur’an 5:33

“The infidels are unclean; do not let them into a mosque.” Qur’an 9:28

“Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies.” Qur’an 22:19

“Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them.” Qur’an 47:4

“The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them.” Qur’an 8:65

“Muslims must not take the infidels as friends.” Qur’an 3:28

“Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an.

” Qur’an 8:12 “Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels.” Qur’an 8:60

“Be terrified that Allah will replace you and put others in your place, and, inflict you with a painful doom” (Quran 9:38 and 39)
GraveDave

What I like about you Rod is that you really don’t give a monkeys’ who you offend.Be it poor whites, rich whites,Muslims, Blacks, Asians, Labour, Tory, fatties- gimps… Unlike some of these so called right wingers – who, after ‘telling it how it is’ will nearly always finish up with the obligatory salute to Diversity and how immigration has made us ‘stronger and better as a nation’.The Daily Mail’s hero, Richard Littlejohn and the Sun’s Jon Gaunt, especially thinks we’re ‘all the ‘better for it.’
Larry

Why is UKIP left out of this article is it because they will now be the 3rd largest party in the UK & all others are afraid of them . VOTE UKIP to return to Britishness
Larry

labour & Tories both decline to state how much the EU will lose if the UK pull out I think more than UK will lose without doubt
Larry

VOTE UKIP if you want to keep British values !!
tigerlily

Wow, that was a really long piece of writing for Liddle.
Nele Schindler

I’m not worried. It’s the last gasp before the dam breaks.
pyewacket

Rod, if you are still thinking of voting for Ed, this Vive Charlie cartoon might help to clarify your mind. To others of a more refined nature, please don’t click the link below.

https://twitter.com/ViveCharIie/status/594808412506038272

“Is there anything they won’t do to get elected”
Reborn

Today, Labour supporting BBC Radio Four reached a new depth.
Its “flagship” Today programme informed us that “extremists” were threatening teachers according to an article in the Times.
Said extremists were not mentioned by Al Beeb, but the commentator mentioned that the Christian group, SPUC was hostile to teaching on homosexuality. No other group was mentioned.
I bought The Times.
Headline “Muslims send death Threats to Teachers”.
SPUC not mentioned in the entire article.
This organisation is the most trusted and most influential source of political news in the UK.
How can Rod, the must lively and entertaining journo in the UK have anything but contempt for the BBC/Guardian/Labour/Green axis ?
Augustus

The friendly and tolerant Surahs in the Koran date back to the time Mohammed was still preaching in Mecca. But according to Islam they become invalid if they conflict with the later Surahs, which are full of hatred and violence. The result is that the Koran’s legitimate preaching is above all hatred and violence. No wonder that those hate-filled and violence-inducing texts in the Koran affect so many Muslims who attack people in the name of their religion. Add to that the fact that the largest group of victims of Islam in the world are Muslims themselves, it seems ridiculous that one can freely criticize the Catholic Church, Socialism, Fascism, Communism, neo-Liberalism, but must keep quiet about Islam?
- Bonkim
  
  No one is stopping you.
Jon Stone

“That seems to me an entirely rational response to an illiberal, vindictive and frankly fascistic creed.”

Well, I’m hardly going to become an Islamophobe off the back of reading your column, however rational you say it is.
Jon Stone

Just so you all know, the more of this kind of shit I see, the more amenable I feel towards Islam. A lot about it used to scare me – and the extreme end of it still does – but when I look around and see people from my background being just as irredeemably cunty as the most belligerent street preacher, it reminds me that our cultures are not really that different at all.

So go ahead and whine. Help bring us all together.
global city

and as some stupid Swedish political bird has found out, it is Islamophobic to even criticise saudi Arabia, as because they implement Sharia and criticism of SA is to criticise Islam itself.

That is the convoluted Islam bind we are all going to have to face….. just think, all those feminists who have finally decided that it is not colonialist/racist/Islamophobic to campaign on FGM were right all along….according to the New World Order!

We’re all going to be rather stuck.
HWe

http://www.change.org/p/european-commission-no-legislation-against-islamophobia
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If you are going to target, irrational and prejudicial, attitudes, one needs to start with sections of the UK, Muslim community. That’s only fair.

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