I want to see President Trump – if only because of who he’d annoy

I suppose spite and schadenfreude are thinnish reasons, intellectually, for wishing Donald Trump to become the next American president (and preferably with Sarah Palin, or someone similarly doolally, as veep). But they are also atavistically compelling reasons nonetheless. Think of the awful, awful people who would be outraged and offended.

If you recall, 8 May last year was awash with the bitter tears of lefties who couldn’t believe the British people had been so stupid as to elect a Conservative government. There were the usual hilarious temper tantrums and hissy fits. Typical of these was an idiotic college lecturer called Rebecca Roache who loftily announced that she had gone through all of her Facebook contacts and ‘unfriended’ any who might be Conservatives for their ‘abhorrent views’. But there were thousands of others, besides Becca, stamping their little feet and daubing ‘Tory scum’ on war memorials. One columnist said she kept breaking down and weeping, unable to believe how thick or vile the electorate must be. Oh, how we laughed. If Trump wins, it will be like that, times ten. It will be Trumpageddon for all the worst people in the country.

The BBC, for example, will not be happy. There will be a markedly different mood within the corporation this election night to the one we witnessed in 2008, when the studios were awash with ejaculate and we viewers were all forced to endure a relentlessly celebratory Obamathon, utterly devoid of anything even approaching impartiality: how wonderful of the Americans to elect him and what a marvellous, marvellous little black man he is! They will be instead grim-faced with incomprehension and antipathy.

I doubt too that President Trump will be bunged a Nobel peace prize within a few months of taking office — because his electoral success will offend all the metro–liberals in the world and they will all start talking about the patent legitimacy of taking ‘direct action’, which is the only recourse when a population proves itself to be so dumb in the polling booth. Think how grossly offended will be those half a million quasi-Stalinist Brits who signed a petition demanding that Donald Trump be banned for ever from visiting this country. And the fatuous MPs who took the suggestion so seriously that they debated the issue themselves. We cannot possibly allow into our country people who disagree with our views, even if it is a view (regarding Muslim immigration) with which the majority of the population would concur.

Think, too, of what the Guardian will have to say the morning after he’s elected. Think of the furious and deranged columnists now in full agreement with Jezza that we should leave Nato and maybe cut off diplomatic relations and at the very least stamp and shout and scream with rage. Think of Newsnight, whose editor, when he was at the Guardian — the print version of the programme — urged readers and leftie celebs in 2004 to bombard the voters of the swing state Ohio with letters pleading with them not to vote for George W. Bush — a strategy which provoked derision and outright hilarity from Cincinnati to Cleveland and helped to ensure Ohio went for Dubya by a mile.

Think of the Newsnight post-election edition once Trump has won: Kirsty Wark and four sobbing women panellists deciding that this is the end of the world as we know it, and no, we don’t feel fine.

And that phrase reminds me — think of the bien-pensant slebs, the actors and the luvvies and the pop stars. Think how royally pissed off they will be. Benedict Cumberbatch will deliver an emotional denunciation in the middle of Hamlet’s third soliloquy, perhaps joined on stage by Emma Thompson, Stephen Fry, the ‘comedian’ Stewart Lee, Lenny Henry and many others, to hold hands and keen for the millions who will be murdered, maimed or simply excluded by the Trump presidency.

And the pop stars. It is not just the effete Georgia indie heroes REM who have it in for Trump. Our own homegrown purveyor of blue-eyed cod-soul middle-of the-road overproduced slush, Adele, has demanded that Trump stop using her terrible song ‘Rolling in the Deep’ before his conventions. He has no right to use my song without my permission, she said. Yes he has. But in future, when he uses it, he should dub out your voice, Adele, and replace it with someone imitating Pinky or Perky. It’ll sound better that way.

The same goes for Steve Tyler, frontman of drug-addled Rolling Stones wannabes Aerosmith, who has demanded that Trump stop using his horrible power ballad ‘Dream On’. I admit it would be better by far if Trump used ‘Dude Looks like a Lady’ — but, Stevie, US heavy-metal bands tend to be right of centre. Get with the programme.

And then — it grieves me to say this — there’s Neil Young. He objected to Trump using his clever and ironic anthem ‘Rockin’ in the Free World’. The genuinely talented Canadian has announced that he will be supporting leftie Democrat Bernie Sanders for president. Perhaps this is just a fan speaking, but I suspect that’s all because Neil wants to impress the splashtastic leftie eco-loon actress Daryl Hannah, with whom he is currently shacked up. They spend their time fighting for the rights of red Indians, or whatever we’re meant to call them, and opposing drilling in places where beavers live. Someone please tell Daryl that Neil was for Reagan in 1980 and Ross Perot in 1992 and that, in general, his politics are as idiosyncratic as his music. Almost his entire mid-1980s output would enrage liberals — and that’s before we consider the, uh, counterintuitive feminist statement ‘A Man Needs a Maid’.

So, all those people to enrage. The people who do not believe that it is even remotely legitimate to have a view which differs from their own. The more I think of it, the more attractive a Trump win becomes. I may write some letters to the voters of New Hampshire.

TaggedAdele, BBC, Benedict Cumberbatch, celebrities, Conservatives, Dubya, General election 2015, Guardian, Neil Young, Newsnight, Obama, President, Republicans, Stephen Fry, Steve Tyler, Trump

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Child_of_Thatcher

Just to see the expressions on the faces of the BBC journalists and that stupid Islamic SNP MP, who then hopefully gets banned from the USA.
- Wee Mental Davie
  
  I know the one. That bombscare who sits next to Angus Robertson. The SNP are desperate for sure.
  - Sunset66
    
    “The bomb scare” . Classy comment
    The UVF extending its market into hating Muslims
    
    You certainly are mental,
    - Wee Mental Davie
      
      It’s got nothing to do with muslims. Remember she was on a programme debating for the indy ref. She talked over everyone else. Was rude and abrasive. Clearly out of her depth. So don’t try to connect it to muslims. The SNP are full of bombscare MP’s. Best thing to do when they approach is to run away screaming.
      
      Quite what the UVF have got to do with it I have no idea. Again, you try to associate me with a movement I have no connection to and no knowledge of. They do not exist as far as I know.
      - Sunset66
        
        The UVF lives in your heart.
        
        And the tattoo on your forearm
        
        Loved the ” they do not exist as far as I know “
      - Wee Mental Davie
        
        Do you know me ?
      - Sunset66
        
        Only too well
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Yea, please avoid the polling station. (snerk)
    - Kennybhoy
      
      SNP extending itself into Jew hate…?
      
      http://www.thejc.com/files/imagecache/body_landscape/White_tweet_0.jpg
      - Mary Ann
        
        To dislike anyone because of who their parents are shows a lack of logical thought.
      - Kennybhoy
        
        Are you sure you are on the right comment thread…?
      - Todd Unctious
        
        I dislike anyone with Russian parents.
      - Sunset66
        
        Oh Kenny really struggling with your classic ” extending your hate ”
        The smear that SNP supporters hate English people is infantile .
        There is no evidence to back that up in any speech or interview given by the SNP
        It’s the laziest of smears when you struggle to find any thing to be rude about them
        
        The person that tweeted that image was an idiot and was censured by the party I have no hesitation in saying it was disgraceful
        With the tile of kennybhoy I find it hard that you would rush to the support of Wee UVF mental Davie
      - Kennybhoy
        
        I think that your first four lines should be addressed to someone else? Either that or you are having a conversation wae yersel…?
        
        “The person that tweeted that image was an idiot and was censured by the party…”
        
        The person that retweeted that image is at least as bad as Trump. She should have been immediately suspended, pending inevitable expulsion fron the SNP. Anything less is an endorsement/enablement of her and her actions.
        
        “…I have no hesitation in saying it was disgraceful.”
        
        Glad to hear it.
        
        “With the tile of kennybhoy I find it hard that you would rush to the support of Wee UVF mental Davie”
        
        The limitations of your experience and imagination and research skills duly noted.
      - Sunset66
        
        Oh kenny I can feel you literally burn with rage at that unacceptable tweet
        I am sure you must equally burn with rage at Brian Spanners tweets. You know the ones where he calls a women mp a torn c—- face bècause you must be equally a supporter of women’s rights to not to be abused . And then there is Wee UVF Davie he lapses into sectarian nonsense now and again talking about
        Tarriers and Fenians like it was 1920.
        So as the mp was censured and apologised for her stupidity maybe you could take your faux outrage and stick it
- jim
  
  I’m not voting for Trump.I’m voting against everyone else.
Patrick

If only Marine Le Pen would win the presidential race, we might actually see BBC presenters head’s explode on live TV !!! And I’m sure Jeremy Corbyn would at least soil himself, he’s far too pacifist to actually explode( unless its a /Hamas/Cuban/ IRA/assorted Islamic/left wing explosion)
- right1_left1
  
  Maybe you saw Marine le Pen actually put a BBC interviewer in her place by telling her, after constant BBC interrupts , that she was more interested in her questions than her, le Pen’s, answers.
  Only a mild long overdue rebuke but a pleasure to hear nevertheless
  
  If Trump did get elected what would the brown nose sycophants have to say about the special relationship.
  Oh calamity..
  - Leon Wolfeson
    
    Ah, so she was rude after refusing to answer the question. Right.
    - right1_left1
      
      quote:’Ah, so she was rude after refusing to answer the question. Right’
      
      Such a response to my post shows that either you never watch BBC current affairs programmes and thus dont appreciate the methods used against those who are trying promote a POV which the BBC rejects or …
      
      Im not sure whether to say what crosses my mind.
      It would certainly be rude !!!
      Something about 2 planks and their wide dimensions.
      - William Brown
        
        Wolfie only wants to hear echoes of itself – Best not to feed it.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Keep projecting, as you call people who disagree “it” – dehumanization, a key tool of your…
      - Arthur Sparknottle
        
        It is a real life personification of Gollum, only much less possible to feel pity for.
        
        Just look at the two pathetic provocations it made below, desperate for attention. One wasn’t enough. It had to have another go.
      - Chamber Pot
        
        What do you expect from Telemachus’s ugly stepchild ?.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Anything but admit the facts, right, you’re a good Orwellian.
        
        Yes, of course you’re just rude and obnoxious, Planker.
      - Arthur Sparknottle
        
        The mistake you are making here is to think that the creature is here for discussion. It is not. It is here because it is a troll and wishes your attention.
    - Chamber Pot
      
      Of course not, silly.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Oh, so no facts near your silly. Right.
    - Chamber Pot
      
      I thought that they had banned nursery Marxists from cottaging on this site ?
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So you don’t think, just hate kids and the Marxists in your head. Oh, and cottages.
davidshort10

I love the idea of these awful people, particularly dopey Daryl, being annoyed but the joy is not enough to have Trump in the White House and I hope that Hillary won’t get there on her flying broomstick either.
KingEric

That pretty much encapsulates my views on the matter. Great article – thanks Rod.
obert

Rod, you make my Thursday morning worthwhile, despite the fact that my f’ing builders have built an entire foundation using cement contaminated with weeds, fury animals and live root systems.
ill-liberal

Of course Cumberbatch, I believe, owns a big old house and spends most of his time in LA. The thought of him living in ‘Trump country’ is fantastic.
- sandy winder
  
  Will it make all those lefties leave the US and come back to the UK and pay more tax? Will it f….
Nick Harman

Yes it will be wonderful. Get in extra popcorn and a bigger telly.
Norse Notion No.9

So true. Bill Whittle and Stefan Molyneux also address these things wonderfully, in the following video:
(The Trump bits are just a small part, the rest is filled with reason and common sense on many issues)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNLnehTFanM
- Enoch Powell
  
  Brilliant stuff.
CharleyFarleyFive

My sentiments exactly, wonderfully and hilariously articulated by Liddle yet again.
Garlands

If only.

A well written and very amusing article!

Thank you, Rod, for cheering me up.
JingoJim

This was great, I was laughing so much it almost brought me to tears! Yes, I’m sure it would be a risk having Trump as president, but it would be worth it to see all those faux-liberal lefties looking red faced.
Tamerlane

Classic. Thanks, made my day.
- Todd Unctious
  
  The easily led are easily pleased.
  - Tamerlane
    
    You would know.
Liberanos

Like infidels the world over, Mr Trump is directly targeted for destruction by allah himself. In writing. So my choice for the most pissed-off at his victory would be allah. Followed by Alex Salmond.
- Wee Mental Davie
  
  Agree. I want to see Chairman Eck and Nippy, carry out some serious sucking up to Mr Trump. Failure to do so would result in Scottish exports to the USA being reviewed.
  
  I would love him to send us a few more nukes FOC for our Faslane collection. Anything to upset the SNP would suit me fine.
- Mary Ann
  
  No good pissing off Allah, he doesn’t exist.
  - Neil Saunders
    
    True, but try saying that in Riyadh or Tehran. Or most of Birmingham, for that matter.
UmUmUmUmUmUm

Brilliant Rod! The people you name check form a roll of dishonour that features all the destructive arrogance, moral vanity, hypocrisy, snobbery and complacency that has brought the West to it’s knees. If you judge a man by the calibre of his enemies, Trump has got to be FDR and Abe Lincoln rolled into one.
BillRees

Rod, this is possibly your best article, and the competition for that title is pretty hot.

I’m also strangely drawn the prospect of a Trump victory for reasons you state, but also because the career politicians who take themselves so seriously have run up a national debt in the USA of 18 trillion dollars alongside uncontrolled illegal immigration while mouthing meaningless platitudes about the threats that face America.

At least Trump has some policies that are intended to deal with those issue.
- Leon Wolfeson
  
  Yes, he has policies to create a much higher debt and to quite likely shatter America, causing “internal” borders.
Mr B J Mann

I suspect that’s all because Neil wants to impress the splashtastic leftie eco-loon actress Daryl Hannah, with whom he is currently shacked up. They spend their time fighting for the rights of red Indians, or whatever we’re meant to call them, and opposing drilling in places where beavers live…..

Someone should tell him there’s no point in shacking up with a woman who violently opposes any drilling in beaver territory!
- jim
  
  Have you seen her lately? Like a lot of these Hollywood beauties she’s ended up looking like a tranny.
sandy winder

In short, excellent.
MikePage

Post-Corbyn it has become clear the great majority of the population are neither Right nor Left but Centrist. A binary view just won’t cut it, Rod.
- Mr B J Mann
  
  How do you work that out?
  
  Are you saying Corbyn is centrist?
  
  Are you claiming he got in because lots of centrists voted for him?!
  
  Or are you saying that Corbyn won because there were lots of Lefties dumb enough and extreme enough to vote for him and lots of right righties willing to pay to underminr the lefties?!
  
  But now all the lefties have seen sense and all the righties have had second thoughts and think they might have gone too far?!?!?!!!!
  - JabbaPapa
    
    I think he’s saying that Corbyn & Co. are **so bad** that the Lib Dems might be back in with a chance next time ’round.
    - WTF
      
      In his demented dreams !
  - Leon Wolfeson
    
    So you can’t count, even. Sad.
    - Mr B J Mann
      
      That’s the second “reply” in a row where you’ve gone so far past your usual level of derangement you must have met yourself coming back.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So you deny I reply…you demand I follow things like your practice of talking to your alternate personality in your issues and you believe in time travel.
        
        Sadf.
      - Mr B J Mann
        
        You seem remarkably immune to the sedatives, nutty noeL nosefloW!
      - WTF
        
        I have a theory on this nut job you’re referring to, I think part of his brain is trying to digest a new post whilst its still processing and responding to one posted several responses previously. I’ll have to capture all of his posts and responses and slide the time line between the two to see if I can make them line up to make any sense.
        
        Naw, on second thoughts its not worth the effort trying to make sense of this plonker, I’ll have a beer instead.
      - Mr B J Mann
        
        Better idea!
        
        Just one quibble with your original thought:
        
        Part of his Brain?!?!?!!!!
        
        Surely you mean his part brain!!!!
      - WTF
        
        I stand corrected, you’re right I grossly overestimated his ability to make any sense.
    - milford
      
      You can’t spell. Wasn’t going to mention it but as you’re being pedantic yourself.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        I’m dyslexic.
        What’s your excuse?
  - MikePage
    
    Corbyn has provided contrast to Labour. I still think they’re pointless and knackered, but I can respect the PLP a little.
- Leon Wolfeson
  
  Except polling actually supports the idea there’s a wide range of views, near-evenly split across the spectrum.
  - MikePage
    
    I agree; and there’s a definite centre band (not a point or line) where lie views that are evidence-based and comprehensible. There is far more in common here than Rod’s (binary) article allows.
    - Neil Saunders
      
      How would you define this “centre band”? What are its core beliefs, and why are they evidence-based and comprehensible? If it is “centre” then it must be at least approximately intermediate between two more extreme positions. What are they? If it is “evidence-based” then what is the source and nature of this evidence? If it is “comprehensible” this must be in contrast to other political positions that are incomprehensible. Which are these positions, and why are they incomprehensible?
      - MikePage
        
        Who are you and when do you leave?
      - Neil Saunders
        
        You know my name. I’ll leave when you’ve answered my questions.
      - MikePage
        
        Yeah and you’re not my dad so ɟɟo ssᴉd.
      - Neil Saunders
        
        So, still not answering my questions. Just resorting to infantile abuse.
      - MikePage
        
        Who do you think you are? I got far better things to do than waste time on one stray sheep who has trouble with the obvious. You bombard me with tedious questions then declare I’m somehow imprisoned by them. Get over yourself.
      - Neil Saunders
        
        But you haven’t got better things to do than get involved with Internet discussion threads in order to sound off and insult people gratuitously while evading their reasonable questions (which you grandly dismiss as “tedious” as a cheap way of ducking them while smearing your adversary), have you, Mike? The only things imprisoning you are a vile attitude combined with low intellect. I doubt that you can get over YOURself, even with some kind of expert intervention.
      - MikePage
        
        You’re calling yourself people? That’s a stretch.
      - Neil Saunders
        
        Troll on, Mike.
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      Indeed.
      Of course, there’s left and right veering on various topics…
      
      (For example, pretty much everyone except Tory voters wants the railways renationalised…)
john

Don’t be silly, Rod.
trotters1957

What a silly and disingenuous article.
Rod, you have a lot more in common with the list of people/institutions you supposedly hate than you have with Donald Trump and you know it.
You’re just feeding the ego of your adopted Tory fans.
- William Brown
  
  Look up the term disingenuous. Read the article again. Deploy contrarian, self effacing, sense of humour. Repeat.
JOhn Mackie

And the ” half a million quasi-Stalinist Brits who signed a petition demanding
that Donald Trump be banned for ever from visiting this country” are mostly ROPers anyhow.
- sidor
  
  Don’t insult Stalin by association with that political and social garbage.
  - JabbaPapa
    
    Stalin shouldn’t be insulted by association with that political and social garbage
    
    No, he should be insulted for being a genocidal murderer instead.
    - sidor
      
      Which particular genocide are you talking about?
      - JabbaPapa
        
        I can remember your participation in previous discussions that clearly established Stalin”s genocidal politics.
        
        It is sheer hypocrisy on your part to pretend that you are unaware of these matters.
      - sidor
        
        I like you too.
        
        Are you again unable to explain what you wrote?
  - Leon Wolfeson
    
    As opposed to your Putin love, acting under Russian control? Hmm.
    - sidor
      
      I don’t think your love Putin is acting under Russian control: a classical agent of influence.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Said read I what?
- Leon Wolfeson
  
  So you make up nonsense, and don’t know about Stalinists…
rationality

There are many reasons why I would like to see Trump elected but annoying the anti European factions in the UK are the lesser of them.

Trump re-tweeted ‘white genocide’. There is no more important subject then that.
- Leon Wolfeson
  
  Yes, nothing more important than your goal is there, to murder those not like you.
  - WTF
    
    There you go again inventing comments out of thin air but I’m glad its not just me you have this affliction with. No mention of murder and yet you bring it up and claiming a poster was for white genocide, when the exact opposite was stated.
    
    Just like all your posts to me, complete fiction posted by you in a disjointed illiterate manner trying to claim some weird obsessive fantasy buzzing around your head. Is it drugs causing your problem or do you need drugs to fix it ?
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      Nope, my comment is based on yours. As you scream more hate again, as you think not mentioning your goals can hide them, as you support your capitalist goals.
      
      As you blame me for your posts, as you talk about your drugs habit and want to give me…
      - WTF
        
        That ethereal sense of antagonism & persecution that you suspect is directed against you
        by others is better defined as a displaced racism or sexism or any other
        institutional grudge -ism you choose.
        
        You’re beyond hope in the normal sense and need serious help, go and seek it.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, so you spout fantasies about what I “suspect”, and make up nonsense.
        
        As you want me beaten by thugs, right.
        Like other far right extremists.
        
        Showing the real issue.
Badger

Yes it would be marvellous, but I fear that Hillary “what emails?” Clinton will do that strange winking and waving thing all the way to the White House.
James Chilton

Every person of a contrarian disposition would agree with Rod Liddle. For starters, the pleasure of causing distress to Polly Toynbee would “make my day”.

I don’t care that he has no policies which anyone has been able to detect after the most earnest enquiries: Hurrah for Trump!
- Todd Unctious
  
  Do you mean the recently former Democrat Trump. The narcissistic egomaniac gobbing off on the telly each evening? Wasn’t he the one who procrastinated his university education to avoid the draft for Vietnam. Wasn’t he the one who was given $6 million by his rich dad in 1967, the equivalent of about $150 million in todays money.
  He could have far more today by investing in bonds or shares, but this numpty tried running a business and effectively halved the value of his inheritance. Plus he denied that his dad was German for over 50 years. Liar.
  - LittleRedRidingHood
    
    Who cares. He’s getting up the nose of everyone who matters and many who don’t.
    Time for the cultural Marxists to have their noses rubbed in it for a change.
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      Ah, time to lash out at those not like you, as you blindly support him. Against Britain, of course.
      - WTF
        
        You have an extremely warped mind with your connections of different events. I haven’t a clue why the UK has anything to do with someone who supports Trump but in your troubled mind, I guess anything is possible.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        “UR WARPED”. Oh, I use cause and effect, right.
        
        As you don’t have a clue about politics, as you think it’s “troubled” to pay attention…
      - WTF
        
        Go and seek help for your persecution complex !
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Oh, is that your latest excuse for your persecution. Right.
        
        Cause and effect, your enemies, still exist.
      - LittleRedRidingHood
        
        Hey Leon, I thought you’d been arrested and deported. Long time no speak.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Yea, you don’t think and just go right for slander, right.
      - LittleRedRidingHood
        
        Nice one. See you haven’t lightened up.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        You’re the other sort of funny.
      - LittleRedRidingHood
        
        Poor you. Trot on!
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        You want to make me poor, right, and your stool issues are your own (pun!)
      - LittleRedRidingHood
        
        Poor, very poor.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Of course. You’re a capitalist after all.
      - LittleRedRidingHood
        
        What makes you say that. My 9-5 job would suggest otherwise but you are obviously in the know.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        What on earth does a 9-5 job have to do with your economic views?
        
        I know outright, hardcore commies in private sector 9-5 jobs.
      - LittleRedRidingHood
        
        Exactly what it says. I am not a person who uses their wealth to invest in trade and industry for profit in accordance with the principles of capitalism.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        One, having a 9-5 job does not mean you couldn’t invest.
        Two, people can believe something without practicing it.
        Three, people are often hypocrites, preaching something and doing something else.
        
        What economic ideology DO you claim then?
      - LittleRedRidingHood
        
        One …. It does if you have no disposable income to do such a thing
        
        Two …. Pointless if One is true
        
        Three …. Maybe for you.
        
        My ideology. I get up, go to work,come come home and sleep. Then do it all again the following day.
        My driver, to feed, house and clothe my family
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        One – Not stated.
        Two – Excuses.
        Three- More excuses.
        
        And so you don’t deny you’re a capitalist, right.
        
        “My driver”
        
        Ah, rich. Right.
      - LittleRedRidingHood
        
        Well I did deny it three comments up.
        
        So you don’t read my posts….blah blah blah!
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        You backtracked from that, though, with more capitalist bilge.
      - LittleRedRidingHood
        
        Did I? Where exactly, be specific.
        
        I have you the definition of a capitalist and also how it does not apply to me.
        
        Are you running out of ideas chum?
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So you want me to copy/paste your posts, Capitalist, as you try and deny your posts. That just also makes you an Orwellian.
        
        And I’m just commenting on your posts.
      - LittleRedRidingHood
        
        It’s there in black and white Leon. Everyone else can read it for themselves. They used to have special schools for kids like you.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        The term is blackwhite, Orwellian. And you’re one person, not everyone.
        
        And yes, Jews used to be segregated into separate schools, and?
      - LittleRedRidingHood
        
        Not the term is as I stated and you unfortunately are a witless troll.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        “Not the term is as I stated”
        
        So…I was right.
        
        As you demand I be like you. In your blackwhite view.
      - LittleRedRidingHood
        
        Firstly, is “so” your favourite word?
        Secondly, blackwhite is not a term I used…… It was black and white.
        
        Thirdly, I make not emands of you Leon. I would ASK that maybe you provide a point that can be debated by the wider audience and I.
        
        So far no joy.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Firstly, whine on
        Second, yes, you lied. It’s clearly blackwhite.
        Third, “emands”. No, just demands, as you mock me. You’ve rejected debate, as you ignore my posts as usual.
        
        You’re joyless, I agree.
      - LittleRedRidingHood
        
        Grow up child. Read what I posted.
        Make a point to debate.
        Alternatively sling it,and leave the conversation to adults.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, you’re also a childhater.
        I did read your post, hence my reply, you blackwhite liar, making your whining demands..
        
        As you demand that no other view be allowed, in your determination to prevent debate and only have an echo chamber filled with your “adult” hate.
      - LittleRedRidingHood
        
        Your mind is a mystery, a random word generator, spewing the same words input in a different order. Then there are the non words you make up.
        
        Make a point to debate. I promise I’ll not be so oppressive and try to shut you down. Come on snowflake, you know you can do it.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ohnoes, you can’t read my mind, as you whine about my having other views from you, as you decry English, your enemy.
        
        You’ve rejected debate, as you obviously lie again, your rejection of my answer shows you’re just here to whine and rage against me for who I am of course.
      - LittleRedRidingHood
        
        You know, when I reorder your words I come up with something totally different. I can see how you do it now. A little dull and predictable.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Yes, of course you do as you do, and then blame me for it.
        At least you admit your flaws.
  - edithgrove
    
    I think you may be confusing him with George Bush
  - William Brown
    
    “….narcissistic egomaniac” A prerequisite for the role, I suspect.
- Mary Ann
  
  He has one policy, to discriminate against people on the grounds of religion in a country where the constitution guarantees freedom of religion. No doubt he would argue along the lines that they aren’t in the US
  - 2fishypoliticians
    
    So do you condemn all the Muslim countries who discriminate against non-Muslims…that means every Muslim country. Not one single Muslim country grants equal rights to non-Muslims. Waiting your reply with interest.
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      So you want to act like the worst of other countries?
      - WTF
        
        No regime anywhere in the world except perhaps for the Nazis has come anywhere near to catching up with the racism, bigotry, genocide, sexism, homophobia, prejudice, bias and inequality that Islam has practiced for 1400 years. Examples supplied on request !
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, so blind hate on request, and a mention of your Hero’s.
        
        Tell me, why did Jews do better under Islam than Christians, for well over a millennium?
      - WTF
        
        Tell that to Israelis being knifed daily in Israel today by Muslims. Times changed !
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Yes, you must be so happy.
      - WTF
        
        Why should I be happy, it doesn’t give me any pleasure to see innocent people injured or killed by Jihadists & Islamic nut jobs and at least I don’t close my eyes like you and pretend its not happening.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        No, not mere pleasure, right. Absolute joy, I hear you.
        
        I don’t pretend you and your fellow extremists don’t exist. Never have done. You’re a real issue.
      - WTF
        
        To you, yes I am an issue as I’m trying to get you to seek psychiatric help for your state of mind.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Yes, of course you believe that disagreement with you is mental illness.
        Which is a far right, social darwinist, totalitarian view.
        
        So, as I said, joy – in your extremism.
      - Neil Saunders
        
        These Jews did just great under Islam, didn’t they, Leon?: http://answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/qurayza_jews.htm
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        One incident does not a relationship make.
        Or do you want to discuss the York Massacre?
        
        (To be plain, Jews didn’t do that well under either, just Muslim rulers tended to settle for persecuting the head of the community, rather than driving all the Jews out…)
      - Neil Saunders
        
        Some incident, Leon!
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So I should blame you for the actions of nuts on the far right, in that thought crime theory of yours?
        Okay, so, as you accept Brevik’s burden of guilt…
        
        Oh, and as you’re British, the guilt for the York Massacre…
  - mohdanga
    
    The US can decide who it lets in and who it doesn’t. Since when is it the right of any non-American citizens to be allowed to settle in the US?
  - Hayekian
    
    Nice try Mary Ann, but I suspect that even you know that it is not his policy. He actually proposed a temporary halt whilst they reviewed their screening policies after several jihadists had got through. Still let’s not let facts get in the way of left wing propaganda eh…
  - WTF
    
    I seem to recall him asking for a pause in immigration until vetting procedures can be fixed. Seems a very reasonable request to verify applicants for residency aren’t pedophiles, rapists or terrorist. I don’t recall any liberal outrage when the UK introduced CRB checks for adults working with kids in the UK or are you against that as well as immigration checks ?
    
    Don’t you believe in checks on people who might be a threat to society whther infants or adults ?
  - goodsoldier
    
    The Constitution allows for a President to refuse entry to aliens. Go read it. The Constitution doesn’t guarantee that anybody can be let into the country no matter who they are and if they have ill will against the the U.S.
    
    Why do you worry so much about the freedom of religion of people who don’t care a damn about freedom of religion and would prefer not to have that right. They would never allow you to freely choose your religion if they had their way.
    
    You’re EU masters, by the way, are having great trouble with the ROP you defend so much. Merkel is in big trouble. The EU is tottering against the waves of migration and terror coming their way. This should make Leninists like you happy. War is Peace. Islam is Peace. Islam is War.
WTF

I want to see him as POTUS because if he only delivers 10% of what he promises, it will be 100% more than any other contender but above all, it will p*** off all the libtards, terrorist apologists, migrant apologists, in fact everything that has gone wrong in the west over the past 20+ years.
- Leon Wolfeson
  
  Yea, those wages are too high, people are not oppressed by the state enough, etc.
  - WTF
    
    So sad, you have it completely as* backwards as usual.
    
    Mass illegal immigration drives down wages everywhere, USA, UK and EU and increases exploitation of the poorest paid in the country. Trump wants to halt and reverse illegal immigration. That will raise wage levels of the lowest earners. Already his organizations have more women at higher levels than all his detractors that claim he is against women.
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      Ah, so you blame an effect which dosn’t occur – when it’s your anti-trade views which will suppress wages. Trump wants to isolate America, and you want to kill off the poorest. Then you make wild claims about women, as you ignore his other discriminatory views.
      - WTF
        
        This study will probably tax your low intellect but give it a shot anyway.
        
        http://cis.org/immigration-and-the-american-worker-review-academic-literature
      - Neil Saunders
        
        And yet this toxic formula is at the very heart of neoliberal economic policy. Expand GDP by importing warm bodies from abroad to enlarge the consumer base while, at the same time (through lower expectations combined with sheer force of numbers), compressing wages.
        
        Real socialists, like R. H. Tawney and Nye Bevan would have understood and deplored this, but the narcissist pseudo-left of today are only too happy to be useful idiots for global capitalism while constructing their disastrous multicultural/LGBT rainbow-coloured utopia.
      - milford
        
        Echoes of convoluted impotent arguments.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Well, your choice to be boring and make them.
        
        (In fact, I want reform – just not isolationism)
Bluesman_1

It’s not so much Trump winning, but Clinton losing that will make me smile.
- victor67
  
  Bernie will beat Hillary before she reaches Trump.
  - LittleRedRidingHood
    
    No he will mysteriously expire in his sleep before that happens
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      Do tell the plan!
      - LittleRedRidingHood
        
        Hillary’s spooks are everywhere
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Snerk.
      - LittleRedRidingHood
        
        Whatever that means. Hillary will Get the nomination through lies and corrupt practices. I wouldn’t put rubbing out the opposition past her.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        You’re projecting. And a conspiracy theorist.
      - LittleRedRidingHood
        
        And you obviously admire criminals if you support Hillary.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So, you make up “support”, and then claim that not thinking as you do is criminal. Hmm!
      - LittleRedRidingHood
        
        You know I almost missed you. But on reflection…. Naaah!
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Well stop looking in your mirror then. Tip – Holding different views from yours is not criminal.
      - LittleRedRidingHood
        
        You are perfectly correct. I’m glad you finally realise that.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Finally? It’s been my position all along, you disagreed.
      - LittleRedRidingHood
        
        I disagree.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Oh, so you think you get to tell me what I believe, like a good little totalitarian.
      - LittleRedRidingHood
        
        I disagree.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        You disagree with your own post? Hmm!
      - LittleRedRidingHood
        
        I disagree.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Identical posts? Hmm!
      - LittleRedRidingHood
        
        I disagree…
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Yes, of course you deny your posts. Like you deny your capitalism.
      - LittleRedRidingHood
        
        I disagree …..
        (this one is different as well Leon)
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Oh, your identical flat disagreement and denial to everything..
      - LittleRedRidingHood
        
        You don’t pay attention to the detail. That’s your problem Leon. Too quick to respond. Are you a little premature in all social situations?
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        I’m not like you but thanks for confessing again.
        Your identical refusals to read and denials roll on, no change from you ever.
      - LittleRedRidingHood
        
        You poor poor fellow. Not graced with wit or intellect.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Keep demanding I fit your PC bigotry.
      - LittleRedRidingHood
        
        I disagree …….
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So you disagree with your post, denying it. Right. No standing by any view for you!
      - LittleRedRidingHood
        
        I disagree.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Yes, of course you deny your post again, showing that you’re a moral coward.
      - LittleRedRidingHood
        
        I disagree.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So you’re whining away, denying your denial, as you show your utter lack of morals.
        Keep digging.
      - LittleRedRidingHood
        
        I disagree.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Oh, you’re amoral? Your denials roll on.
      - LittleRedRidingHood
        
        I disagree.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Oh, you’re anti-moral. Kk, denialist.
      - LittleRedRidingHood
        
        I disagree.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So, you’re actually a thug? Okay, fine, denialist.
        If you deny that again I’ll need to warn people you’re an active threat…oh dear…
      - LittleRedRidingHood
        
        I disagree.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Fine, warnings going out.
      - LittleRedRidingHood
        
        [tremble]
        What will it be, flyers? News bulletin? Full page press release?
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Your fantasies continue.
      - LittleRedRidingHood
        
        Your threat mate. How do you plan to follow it through.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        I didn’t make a threat.
        I made a statement. And I don’t intend to discuss community security issues with you.
      - LittleRedRidingHood
        
        Sorry, I just p!ssed myself laughing. Community security issues.?
        
        Either you are a comedian or seriously mentally deranged. You’ve been entertaining that is for sure.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah yes, “UR MAD”, your default far right, social darwinist, totalitarian setting on engaging with someone like me.
      - LittleRedRidingHood
        
        Far right. How so Leon? You keep making this accusation.
        And by the way, who is someone like you? You are almost sounding a little elitist there sunbeam.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        How so can I read your posts?
        And more fantasies? Sigh.
      - LittleRedRidingHood
        
        Great work Leon. Night night. Same time tomorrow?
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        You’ll whine on? I see.
      - Arthur Sparknottle
        
        It is a troll. I’d leave it alone or it will accuse you of ‘Jew H ate’.
      - LittleRedRidingHood
        
        Who do you support then?. Hillary has blood on her hands and is pro rape.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        More conspiracy theories, I see.
        
        Tip – I’m a leftist.
      - LittleRedRidingHood
        
        Really?! You’ve shattered my illusion Leon.
      - Desperate Dan’s Porridge
        
        Not to angry leftist troll like you laddie. You probably wouldn’t comprehend it anyway.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, so you think that I’m your equivalent on the left, in your PC. And make excuses for not having a fantasy plan.
  - Mary Ann
    
    I doubt it.
  - goodsoldier
    
    I hope so.
- Icebow
  
  Yes, that above all.
Jenny Wren

Excellent article. I feel the same about Brexit, worth voting ‘Stay’ just to annoy Farage, Fox,Dacre & Robinson
- LittleRedRidingHood
  
  You reap what you sow.
  - Jenny Wren
    
    I know, do you?
    - LittleRedRidingHood
      
      At all times.
- Mary Ann
  
  Go on then, I dare you.
  - Jenny Wren
    
    I might….I remain to be convinced either way.
douglas redmayne

I agree and I like his attitude to Moslems.
MikeF

‘Liberals’ on this side of the Atlantic might well be appalled if Trump became President but they would also be gratified and confirmed in one of their core beliefs – their anti-Americanism. But it could be fun all the same – though not as much as if the Brexit option won the EU referendum and UKIP got a few dozen MPs at Westminster.
- Leon Wolfeson
  
  UKIP, per their own rules, must disband after the referendum you know…
Icebow

I feel your potential shadenfreude, Rod, I really do.
rtj1211

Will your opinions change if Mrs Liddle starts getting the hots for the hotshot billionaire?! Annoying everyone else is fine and dandy, but causing Mrs Liddle to get uppity about Mr Liddle’s sexiness in comparison to a Presidential candidate?! That would surely call for you to call in favours from the CIA to have him bumped off long before he reaches the Convention floor……
- Jackthesmilingblack
  
  Which Mrs. Liddle are yôu referring to, Raj?
  See Wikipedia.
Realismista

Really, Rod? I’d say that your “enthusiasm” for Trump is completely undermined by the fact that you voted Labour in the British general election of May 2015. Unless of course you’re just being a click-bait artist.
- LittleRedRidingHood
  
  Just want to see more lefties cry.
  - David
    
    “Cry”. More like wailing, weeping, shrieking whilst rolling around on floor. can’t wait!
- goodsoldier
  
  He has listened to enough Michael Savage, who is banned from Britain, to finally learn all he needs to know. Perhaps you should make it a daily habit to listen to him too. He is anathema to career politicians and phonies.
Tickertapeguy

As for us Americans the promise by Trump to clean up D.C. and deal with the elite who have a strangle hold on America is good enough for me.
Three chords & the truth

The people who will be upset if Trump wins must be the same select group whose opinions were polled and led to the wrong prediction of a Labour win or a hung parliament at the last election..Strangely there was a similar poll today today stating that only 40% of the population are against immigration.Well I don’t know anybody in favour of mass immigration or who feels that they personally or the country as a whole has benefitted in any way whatsoever.Then what do I know?
- red2black
  
  Slum landlords have done well out of mass immigration. Probably quite a few employers and shareholders as well.
  - Three chords & the truth
    
    Yeh forgot that group and all the employers taking advantage of the pool of cheap labour to drive down wages etc.
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      Oh, you mean the completely separate issue of austerity.
  - Leon Wolfeson
    
    And the people who benefit from trade, and…
- Mary Ann
  
  There are millions of Britons living around the world, most people are not hypocrites.
  - Three chords & the truth
    
    And how many of those millions have gone there are claiming benefits?
    - Jackthesmilingblack
      
      None in the case of Japan.
      Trust me in that.
    - goodsoldier
      
      Hardly any.
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      Well, let’s see. All of them in EU countries with partly state-supported heathcare systems, for example.
  - Jackthesmilingblack
    
    Expats and residents abroad will struggle to register a vote in UK elections. Because the limited window make voting almost impossible. Deliberately so I suggest, as mostly the
  - Yorkieeye
    
    And how many live in communities and are out of control, costly to keep and antipathetic to their hosts up to and including bombing them?
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      Quite a few, given by the people here who said they’re abroad.
      - Yorkieeye
        
        What?
      - 9sqn
        
        Don’t worry yourself. A half-wit .. without the half, or the wit.
      - WTF
        
        Name one non Muslim abroad who has committed a terrorist act !
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Okay, so, you asked for something completely disconnected to the conversation.
        
        Brevik.
        There.
        
        Now, about my post…
      - WTF
        
        Fair point now how Muslim terrorists have there been 100, 1000 or 10,000 ?
        
        I presume the other point was the one about immigration. The polls have fluctuated a lot all across Europe but the general feeling now is most are against mass immigration unless they can ‘bring something to the party’ other than rape, crime or terrorism.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Oh, whitewashing other terrorists…trying to cover up…
        
        As you ignore the fact polling of people does not support your extremist views.
      - WTF
        
        I suggest you read this polling of Muslims globally.
        
        http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        And?
        
        How does that excuse whitewashing terrorism from other terrorist groups?
      - WTF
        
        Never said it did, but it puts the threats in perspective.
        
        Most people have bugs in their garden that they don’t want in their homes but some bugs are a greater threat than others and they are the ones you deal with first. We don’t have a serious threat of 90 year old men gang raping 12 year old girls nor 70 year old grand mothers going off to become jihadists comfort wives, so we generally ignore those extremely unlikely threats. We do have a threat from home grown Muslim terrorists however.
        
        Never heard of American Christians shooting up an office party or flying planes into high rise office blocks. Again, perspective has to be used in gauging current threats.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So you don’t hear about what American Christians do? Hmm!
        
        Shooting up doctors…
        Flying aircraft into IRS buildings…
        The American “Concerned Christians” deported from Israel for planning an attack there…
        
        Yes, the perspective of the threats posed by extremists – your lot, Islamists… you’re making excuses for criminals who don’t fit your target profiles. The “bugs” you hate…dehumanizing people on a collective basis…
      - WTF
        
        If I understood you correctly, you are involved in writing code for games on PC’s and the like, if that’s the case, you need to get out more as I think you’re too self absorbed in your own creative media and that’s dangerous.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So you get it wrong, I see. Nope, not a coder.
        
        And then you claim it’s “dangerous” to allow coders to do their work, they need to be reeducated to your standards.
- David
  
  appears, a lot more than the politicians do.
- Leon Wolfeson
  
  Perhaps mixing with people not just like you would be good…and denying the benefits of allowing trade, tourists, business visitors… of having multinationals here… of having a modern, high-earning media industry…
  - WTF
    
    We can’t mix with Muslims as they don’t want to mix, everyone else, not a problem.
    - 9sqn
      
      Even the outwardly delightful Muslim I worked with took to wearing ‘The scarf’ as a visual warning sign of her cultural segregation.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ohnoes, someone you worked with wore something you didn’t approve of, so you decided to try for segregation.
      - 9sqn
        
        No, idiot. She wore ‘The Scarf’ as an overt method of displaying her cultural identity and religion. Her words. If you were capable of reading a whole paragraph and had a fully functioning brain, you’d see that. It is a shame your silly and incomprehensible assumptions are not based upon similar facts and experiences. An irony is, I would escort her to the shops to protect her from gangs of young muslim men terrorising the streets of Walsall after dark.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Why are you saying no to yourself?
        
        As you try and tell people what they think and believe, as you denigrate those not just like you on the basis of your claim to superioroty…as you see assumptions not there, and as you as far as I can see admit harassment…
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      So your personalities blame your attitude towards not mixing with Muslims. In your collectivism.
      I have Muslim friends. I have a nominally Muslim housemate, for that matter. It’s you.
      
      (Oh, and do try and mix with the Haredi in their little London communities and get back to me…they won’t mix with me as I’m not Jewish enough for them!)
      - WTF
        
        Its not my fault they segregate themselves into Islamic Apartheids across Europe and send raiding parties out every so often for sexual gratification like that one in Austria last week who raped a 10 year old boy at a swimming pool just because he was sexually deprived !
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Oh, so you blame people for your mixing with them and the “Apartheids” on your head…and then you go right to collectivist blame.
        
        Well, I blame you, thus, for Brevik.
      - WTF
        
        The Dutch and the Brits created their own segregated area in South Africa with their own laws or special treatment and the world ended up calling it an Apartheid. I rest my case !
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        You rest your case for your desire to cause Apartheid? I see.
      - WTF
        
        I haven’t caused Apartheid, Indians, Koreans, Chinese, none of these ethnic groups have caused it, its only Muslims themselves that have created it in the west.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So you claim your expressed bigotry does not exist.
        Hmm!
      - WTF
        
        Its your bigotry – “a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions” which you exhibit in every factual post I make.
        
        If you claim my post is inaccurate, just debate it rather than call me a bigot !
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Oh, “debate” simple words rather than calling a brick a brick.
        You’re being politically correct!
        
        As you blame me for your posts, and as you claim hate is facts.
      - 9sqn
        
        I really have to give you credit for your endurance with this cretin.
      - WTF
        
        I’m done now, its over, as the Greek philosopher Xenophanes said “from nothing comes nothing” and that describes this individual.
FriendlyFire

Oh Rod, you have me rolling with laughter once again. Brilliant stuff!!

Mind you, I suspect your article entitled, “Why I’m Still A Member Of The Labour Party And Actually Vote For Them” would be a little less entertaining and make rather less sense. But would be intriguing to read.

One day, eh?
The_greyhound

Every time I read Rod Liddle I believe I love him even more than Julie Burchill. This is a work of pure genius.

Of course it’s really about letting off a huge firecracker in Church, when all those dim, important luvvies have got their most sanctimonious faces on. The serried ranks of the BBC light entertainment department, the new moral lodestone of our society, will be utterly outraged, and someone will have to fetch a bottle of smelling salts to Dame Stephen Fry, a hippo lain insensible in its best crinoline.

There are of course equally delightful speculations that would cause similar (well deserved) anguish to the hags and village idiots of the Guardian : conscious of this, I have written to the Prime Minister suggesting that the next DG of the BBC has to be be either Jetremy Clarkson, or Liddle himself.
- John Standley
  
  “Dame Stephen Fry, a hippo lain insensible in its best crinoline” Masterpiece!
- ex-pom
  
  Pure magic Greyhound ! Good on yer !
  
  Let’s get a petition going:- Jeremy Clarkson for DG of the Bolshevik Broadcasting CrapOperation ! Yeah !
  
  Just imagine all the squealing and hysterical fits of the vapours when all those dahling, dahling Luvvies had all their parasitic blood-funnels wrenched away from sucking the tax-payers’ teat dry !
  - Leon Wolfeson
    
    Oh, mandatory hitting hours will be in, eh?
    
    As you whine about British assets.
- William Brown
  
  Well written sir!
- 9sqn
  
  Go on admit it, you’re Ron, aren’t you.
lindzen4pm

Yeah, I’d love to see the look on BBC US Correspondent Sopel’s fizzog if the Donald were elected. He is so virulent in his reporting of Trump, he makes previous incumbent Fatty Mardell look almost fair by comparison.
Suzy61

I work with a girl. She is as dim as a ten watt bulb. She dyes her hair pink (natch) – and thinks the UK should declare itself ‘without borders’ so all those young, virile Syrian refugees can have their own flat…. and throw gang-rape parties…. (OK I made the last bit up).

She moans incessantly that she pays too much tax (why should she pay the same as a 50 year old Tory?) and she campaigns for ‘wimmins rights’ – but only via the internet …and anonymously (natch). She thinks every ‘migrant’ must be a better person than any non-migrant (by dint that they are a migrant) and that all the sexual predators in Cologne were either German or confused.

The little lamb was appalled that Trump was doing so well in the polls – but not entirely surprised because all Americans are red-neck racists.She does not know what ‘red-neck’ means – except they cause wars in oil-rich countries and eat babies alive.

She is a product of a system that insists a full 50% of our youngsters are intelligent enough to go to University. In another life she would struggle to graduate from Sixth Form as a nail technician.

For this reason alone – I also hope Trump is the next President of the USA.
- Freddythreepwood
  
  I know that girl! She’s on an all-female Labour shortlist.
  - Neil Saunders
    
    And the sort who pipes up from the “randomly selected audience” during “Question Time”.
    - Nicetime
      
      and throws the word ‘misogyny’ around a lot
      - Neil Saunders
        
        Yeah, I forgot that one!
  - Leon Wolfeson
    
    Look, your sister..
  - Desperate Dan’s Porridge
    
    Wrong! It’s Laurie Penny. Oh, actually, you could be right.
- polidorisghost
  
  “a system that insists a full 50% of our youngsters are intelligent enough to go to University”
  Actually, that is true of the one I worked in.
- Sue Smith
  
  You’ve described all the characteristics of a “loser”!!
- Chamber Pot
  
  Laurie Penny ?
- Leon Wolfeson
  
  Oh, so because of your dislike of a co-worker…hmm!
  
  As you talk about a system which dosn’t want to downskill that much further (tip – it was never 50%, and is falling), and as you talk about your plans to limit people’s lives.
  
  So for your narrow minded…
  - Desperate Dan’s Porridge
    
    Yes this article was written for sanctimonious, virtue signalling, leftist bores like you.
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      So, it was written for your PC fantasies of people “like me”, as you signal hate for the press, Mr. Sanctimonious. With your drill bits. (Yes, I’m mocking you)
      - Desperate Dan’s Porridge
        
        You are just too ridiculous to mock anybody troll.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        “UR RIDICULOUS”.
        
        And no, I’m quite able to mock your trolling and PC.
      - Arthur Sparknottle
        
        If you continue engaging in discussion with him he will soon accuse you of hating him because he is a Jew. He does that to all who oppose him for more than a few posts irrespective of whether they know about his ethnicity or religion. When he first accused me of that, I had no idea, but nevertheless he pops up with the accusation now and again whether I am debating with him or not.
    - Faff
      
      ‘virtue signalling’ – Yeah right. How dare anyone talk about morality with conviction. You are the mediocrity Nabokov warned us about in Bend Sinister.
      - Desperate Dan’s Porridge
        
        QED laddie QED. Another loathsome little tick who is happy to cast the first stone and pass moral judgement on others. Save moral judgements for yourself laddie.
      - Faff
        
        I wasn’t making a moral judgement, I was making an aesthetic one. Learn to think.
        
        ‘Laddie’? ‘Loathsome little tick’?
        
        You’re getting a bit hot and bothered there pig?
    - Leftism is a societal cancer
      
      You misunderstand the difference between a gentile virtue signaller and Leon Wolfeson who supports left-wing politics because it is in his (perceived) ethnic interest as a Jew.
  - Suzy61
    
    Ah…..Leon, I learned my lesson with you.
    
    I will not engage with your incoherent ramblings.
    
    Thank you and goodbye…..right?
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      Ah, so you won’t engage with your fantasies, and as you run off and won’t even admit you’re on the right…sad.
- Faff
  
  ‘She is a product of a system that insists a full 50% of our youngsters are intelligent enough to go to University. In another life she would struggle to graduate from Sixth Form as a nail technician. For this reason alone – I also hope Trump is the next President of the USA.’
  
  You want Trump to win ‘for this reason alone’? ‘For this reason alone’? That’s pretty specific of you lady. Just to be clear, you want a young woman you work with, who went to University, to be a nail technician and it is ‘for this reason alone’ you want Trump to win?
  
  What on earth…?
  - Suzy61
    
    There are full stops, sentences and paragraphs in my posting.
    
    Seems you choose to ignore them.
    - Faff
      
      I quoted you verbatim. Your words in context, which you now seem to be wriggling away from.
      - Suzy61
        
        I wriggle away from nothing.
        
        The final paragraph relates to the four previous paragraphs…. not just to the sentence immediately preceding.
        
        Sorry, I thought that much was obvious.
      - Faff
        
        Unfortunately for you, the words ‘for that reason alone’ do not refer to a plural but a singular. That’s what the words ‘for that reason ALONE’ means. Allow me to demonstrate:
        
        ‘I work with a girl. She is as dim as a ten watt bulb. She dyes her hair pink (natch) – and thinks the UK should declare itself ‘without borders’ so all those young, virile Syrian refugees can have their own flat…. and throw gang-rape parties…. (OK I made the last bit up).
        
        She moans incessantly that she pays too much tax (why should she pay the same as a 50 year old Tory?) and she campaigns for ‘wimmins rights’ – but only via the internet …and anonymously (natch). She thinks every ‘migrant’ must be a better person than any non-migrant (by dint that they are a migrant) and that all the sexual predators in Cologne were either German or confused.
        
        The little lamb was appalled that Trump was doing so well in the polls – but not entirely surprised because all Americans are red-neck racists.She does not know what ‘red-neck’ means – except they cause wars in oil-rich countries and eat babies alive.
        
        She is a product of a system that insists a full 50% of our youngsters are intelligent enough to go to University. In another life she would struggle to graduate from Sixth Form as a nail technician.
        
        For this reason alone – I also hope Trump is the next President of the USA.’
        
        Just to be clear, you want a young woman you work with, who went to University, to be a nail technician and it is ‘for this reason alone’ you want Trump to win?
        
        ‘Sorry, I thought that much was obvious’ – When you learn how to make your words reflect your thoughts accurately, then and only then will you be able to communicate in writing with the expectation that your meaning is obvious. So long as you keep making pretentious literary flourishes, your meaning will be confused.
      - Suzy61
        
        Thank you for the admonishment.
        
        The ‘girl’ is singular and she alone is the reason.
        
        But hey, it’s a discussion forum – not a grammar lesson.
      - Faff
        
        To which end I have sought to underline the sheer craziness of your post (we haven’t even started on your bizarre and frankly appalling reference to gang-rape). It’s also a series of cliches, which makes me wonder about its veracity.
      - Faff
        
        Actually when you say ‘for that reason alone’, it is the reason which is alone and which is therefore singular. This is stunningly obvious and you are completely and very obviously wrong. Just admit it for goodness’ sake. You wrote some dodgy rhetoric and ballsed it up.
lakelander

Thank you. Just as much fun as Sunday mornings.
milford

What an entertaining piece… Very funny Rod … 😉
- Todd Unctious
  
  He said Rod and funny in the same sentence.
  - The_greyhound
    
    Reports that you are completely illiterate were clearly a slight exaggeration. I bet you can walk on your hind legs too, for a few steps.
  - polidorisghost
    
    Todd, you can’t do humour so stop trying.
WTF

It’s now been
150 days since the liberal press plastered a picture of a child being
picked up from a beach in Turkey after its parents recklessly tried to
cross the sea to Greece, and they’ve recycled it weekly ever since. The
liberals at the UN have stirred up their counterparts in Europe and
every day since then, we’ve been bombarded with the MSM and their
liberal activists trying to lay a guilt trip on the peoples of Europe.

Not
a day goes by without at least 5 articles in the Indy and other media
berating us for the plight of these migrants which for the most part is
self created. We’ve seen 1 million migrants enter the EU legally or
illegally due to Merkel & Junkers social engineering program and the
peoples of Europe have paid a very high cost in the break down of law
and order, cultural suicide and of course fiscal costs. We even saw a
brief repeat of the Rotherham cover up in Cologne and elsewhere but 10
years after that cover up, we have the internet and we’re a lot wiser
to spot liberal dirty tricks.

Where are all these liberal
journalists in condemning what they claim is the cause of this flight of
people. They aren’t condemning the genocides of Islam in the middle
east but are quick to blame the west despite no western involvement in
Syria. Where are they in condemning Saudi Arabia or the UAE for not
taking refugees in, despite their cultures being similar and both areas
being awash with oil dollars. Perhaps they know it to themselves that
condemnation isn’t really warranted if 95% of these migrants aren’t
genuine refugees anyway but potential terrorists and rapists. Perhaps
they knew that if Saudi wouldn’t take them, there’s a good chance
liberals in the west will try to soften up the public to take them in.

European
residents have long ago reached compassion fatigue from these liberal
liars who hide the real truth of these migrants that a good proportion
were criminals, pedophiles and rapists or at best were nothing more than
economic freeloaders. The high price our electorates has paid is to see
young women raped and groped in Germany, aid workers killed in Sweden
and in an attempt to contain the mayhem that’s resulted, the liberal
media accuses us of racism & theft for having means testing on
migrants the same as we do on our own.

Sorry guys, you have spun
and lied your way through this migrant debacle and we’re sick of it. You
lie by omission, obfuscation and even directly that we don’t believe a
word you’re saying anymore or if we do, we don’t care. You can keep up
your sick rhetoric in your daily articles like this one but judging by
the posts, barely 5% are suckered in by your weasel words. You blew it,
its over and you’re just wasting space posting this propaganda sh** that
if on printed paper, we’d use for more practical purposes like removing
dog turd from our shoes.
- Jackthesmilingblack
  
  “You will suck up multiculturalism and like it.”
  Not me, Sunshine. I’m out of here.
  I get on so well with Brits up to lower middle class, but above that stratum it’s really edgy.
  And Authority really, really sucks. When you feel you are being pushed to the periphery of society, take the hint. Stop swimming against the tide, when your options are fake mainstream banality, become a borderline recluse, or my preferred option, fly the coop.
  Jack, the Japan Alps Brit
  - WTF
    
    I already have but I still care for my 5 year old grand daughter in England when she’s only 30 miles from the channel tunnel and a bunch of migrants are looking for fresh white flesh !
  - Jacobi
    
    I am one of those who prefer to stay and fight it out, if for no othe reason than that I have grandchildren, like WTF.
    As for the EU, which I am intuitively in favour of, well that is finished.
    
    Merkel has seen to that!
    - Jackthesmilingblack
      
      Good luck with that. Support from gutless wonder Brits? You’re dreaming.
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      Well. yes, fighting Britain will go so well for you I hope.
      As you obviously oppose the EU as from the start.
      - 9sqn
        
        Are you really John Prescott ? I couldn’t understand a word he said either.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Well, take more ESOL Lessons.
- William Brown
  
  …”It’s now been 152 days since the liberal press plastered a picture of a child being picked up from a beach in Turkey after its parents recklessly tried to cross the sea to Greece”…
  
  And those 152 days have yielded many more dead children on the sands of the Med, due to those moronic, virtue signallers who can’t differentiate between lifestyle shoppers and genuine refugees. Those pictures haven’t been shown by the usual outlets, although I suspect they’ll hijack some yet, to try and reinvigorate their crass, murderous narrative.
  - Leon Wolfeson
    
    Ah yes, the people who don’t just support IS shooting people dead, as you only support your murderous agenda and project from there, as you signal for hate and violence, and deny refugees exist.
    - WTF
      
      Optimists see: A glass half full and have routes to make things better
      
      Pessimists see: A glass half empty but can make the jump to optimism
      
      and then there’s you –
      
      Chronic complainers see: A glass that is slightly chipped holding water that isn’t cold enough, probably because it’s tap water when you asked for bottled water and wait, there’s a smudge on the rim, too, which means the glass wasn’t cleaned properly and now you’ll probably end up with some kind of virus. Now add disjointed rhetoric, off subject, rambling about a point 2 days ago, blames everything on racism & hate rather than a logical link of common sense cause and effect but its everyone else’s fault and they aren’t part of the problem !
      
      You’re even worse than most liberals as at least we can see what they’re talking about is cr** but with you we can’t even understand where you came from, how you got here or where you’re even going.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        No, that’s you. Your fantasy, in your mind, 100% original to you.
        
        Your self-description is apt. As you accuse me of being a liberal, as your personalities see other views as “cr**”, and as you refuse to understand most other views – you choose not to do so, in your extremism.
- Leon Wolfeson
  
  Ah yes, can’t be having the peons escape now can we, as you blame “liberals” and the UN now, as you whine about a free press, and you confuse not hating with hate as usual…
  
  …as you campaign for your goals, and repeat you selectively care about crime. As your personalities are very sick,yes, and say only “5%” of them are “fooled”…oh dear, as you talk about your not watching where you step.
  
  As you talk about your plans to purge views not like yours, and to abolish the free press, as you fight society and try for division….
  - WTF
    
    You never hear of migrants dying by the hundreds or thousands trying to get to Australia or New Zealand but you do with migrants trying to get into Europe. The natural consequences ill judged, misplaced, dangerous and crass policies by liberals and people like yourself in Europe as opposed to the saner policies down under.
    
    Wherever a liberal has trod, you’ll find that extra misery and suffering they exacerbate by their actions and its they and they alone that turn difficult situations into tragedies.
    
    I rest my case !
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      So you ignore stories in that area, k.
      
      As you blame liberals for the sort of world fellow extremists of yours have caused, as you want “saner” deaths. As you blame liberals for your policies, as you call people being alive a tragedy – they’ve managed to escape your fellow believers (for now, if you have your way).
      
      Your case for death…
      - WTF
        
        There’s a ton of ‘creative media’ stuff on how its mainly refugees rather than migrants trying to get into Europe but nothing of note I could find with Oz or NZ. Perhaps you need to up the ante and do a better job !
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Oh, so you get confused and hate on creative media because of the press not blindly reporting your agenda everywhere. As you overlook the stories about issues in that part of the world, of course.
        
        Tip – News | Creative Media.
        
        But facts.
      - WTF
        
        How many women or girls do you see at Calais ? Thats the facts not the Creative Media that the Guardian peddles !
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, so you hate more on the sector because of your bias.
        And then you hate on the free press. Right.
        
        (See, facts – which you’ll whine about)
      - WTF
        
        We should call you Mr. Hate as almost every post you bring up fantasy hate as your argument rather than facts
      - 9sqn
        
        Hey, beat me to it. I just mentioned that a moment ago. It’s gone up to 80% of his posts now.
      - WTF
        
        Yep, with him its either the hate word sprinkled in almost all his responses and the lesser repeated fatuous claim I don’t have any Jewish friends when I do. In fact although agnostic (lapsed Christian), I had a very close friendship with a wonderful woman of the Jewish faith years ago and I still keep in contact from time to time but that’s neither here nor there.
        
        He can wallow in his own self persecution as far as I’m concerned.
      - Neil Saunders
        
        I’m a struggling music teacher in a deprived port town on the English coast, but Leon is convinced that I’m a well-heeled Tory toff for reasons only he could explain, if only he were able to explain anything.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, the struggle for the fifth home. Right.
        
        As you demand to control what I do.
      - Neil Saunders
        
        No, Leon. The struggle to keep the one, modest home and put bread on the table.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, the “struggle” to hide the offshore income while ensuring the fresh bread flown in from Italy, right…
      - Neil Saunders
        
        You imagine a far better life for me than I could for myself in my wildest dreams, Leon.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Not really, your miserable grumpiness shows money can’t buy happiness.
      - Neil Saunders
        
        Not my money, anyway, Leon, what little of it there is judged by very modest local standards.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So… you admit you live off other people’s money, and as rich as you are it’s still not much in your high-priced area. Oh my.
      - Neil Saunders
        
        Where did I say that, Leon? And how on earth do you know that I live in a “high-priced area”, since you don’t actually know where I live at all?
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So you deny your post again, as you try and badly pretend…
      - Neil Saunders
        
        You’re a strange man, Leon.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        “UR STRANGE”
        
        All you have.
      - Neil Saunders
        
        No, but all I need.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Yes, in your blind dismissal of any kind of other view or thought.
      - Neil Saunders
        
        As I’ve already mentioned, Leon, your comments and mine are both on the Disqus record for the time being, so anybody who wants to assess how blindly either of us dismisses opinions that differ from our own, or indeed whether we do so, is freely able to.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        I’m commenting on your posts and your expressed views. You keep showing your issue with that!
      - Neil Saunders
        
        Are you? Be specific then. What exactly do you disagree with and why?
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah yes, start copy/pasting my posts, over and over so you can keep ignoring them in your self-entitled, smug…
      - Neil Saunders
        
        What are you on about, Leon? You’re making no sense (or, to be accurate, even less sense than usual).
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Yes yes, your English skills are poor and you’re whining. Same old.
      - Neil Saunders
        
        Of course. Anyone who reads my posts will see the struggles I have with basic expression and comprehension in the English language. Once again, you get straight to the heart of the problem, Leon!
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Nice copypasta. Your posts still exist, sadly for you.
      - Neil Saunders
        
        Once again, you embarrass me, Leon. How can I possibly compete with such argumentative brilliance, hobbled as I am with such a poor command of language and such a humiliating legacy of inarticulate and weakly-reasoned posts? Thankfully, your posts also still exist, to provide a lofty example to which we lesser mortals may hopefully (if fruitlessly) aspire.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        And there you go copypasta ranting someone about your eugenics or some other crap.
        
        Your posts still exist.
      - Neil Saunders
        
        What is “copypasta”? Presumably some rather laboured play on “copy and paste”, but why you should think that I have copied and pasted anything eludes me.
        
        The time really has come to discontinue our exchange since, try as I might, I cannot understand what point (if any) you are trying to make.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So you are not aware of modern terminology, as you wonder how I can use google.
        
        Run away, as you note your poor English skills again.
      - Neil Saunders
        
        Goodbye, Leon.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, more threats.
      - 9sqn
        
        You know, I’d say 70% of your completely inane and undecipherable posts mention ‘hate’. But, after all this I still don’t know your view on anything ! I get the strong feeling that if you laid them out here, with your mangled, unfathomable syntax, I still wouldn’t.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So you claim that 70% of 0%…right.
        
        As you admit you can’t and won’t read English I post, because of your dislike… thanks WTF.
      - 9sqn
        
        Bonkers. Completely bonkers. Try reading you own posts Leon. Or does your carer delete them immediately upon posting.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        “Bonkers. Completely bonkers”
        
        You are? I see.
        
        As you start making accusations of mental illness, after having talked about 0%, etc.
      - Neil Saunders
        
        As I’ve said elsewhere, Leon is the Internet equivalent of a vexatious litigant. He’s a bit like the arsonists who set a building on fire and then run away somewhere to hide and masturbate during the conflagration.
      - 9sqn
        
        That made me laugh 🙂
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, as you’ve defamed me elsewhere…as you spew your hate…
      - Neil Saunders
        
        I don’t hate you, Leon. I’m not sure whether you’re a fool or a mischief-maker, and I certainly don’t know enough about you to feel any strong emotions about you.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, you detest and have arrant hostility to me, or whatever.
        
        Your posts exist.
        
        Sadly for you.
        
        You’re not sure what fantasy to hold about me, right.
      - Neil Saunders
        
        I don’t need to fantasise, Leon. The reality is quite bizarre enough.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Yes, I’m sure yours is, but…your fantasies aimed at me continue.
      - Neil Saunders
        
        I’m talking about reality, Leon, not subjective impressions. I didn’t need to dream up your 42,000+ comments (and counting) on Disqus. They’re there for all to see.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Yes, yes, I get you think your hate is reality, as you claim I posted your posts.
      - Neil Saunders
        
        I don’t hate or detest you Leon. I just find you mildly irritating and somewhat frustrating.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So you deny many of your posts. Again.
      - Neil Saunders
        
        No. They’re all on the record, just as your multitudinous contributions are, Leon.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So you deny your denial…
      - Neil Saunders
        
        No, I reject having words put in my mouth (so to speak), Leon.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So you reject your fantasies as well as denying your denial. Right.
      - Neil Saunders
        
        See above response.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Yes, see your inability to produce a coherent response.
      - Neil Saunders
        
        Talking to yourself again, Leon?
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        No, I don’t follow your practices and don’t have your closed mind, but thanks!
      - Neil Saunders
        
        Your comments and mine are on the Disqus record for the duration, Leon. Let’s leave others to decide which of us has the closed mind, and to figure out which of my practices (possibly plain statement and an attempt at constructive comment and debate) you find so objectionable.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So you want to censor me, right…as you lie about what you post, over and over.
      - Neil Saunders
        
        Where did I say that I want to censor you, Leon? And where did I lie? Be specific. Cite chapter and verse. It’s all on the record.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        “WHERE ARE MY POSTS?”
        “WHERE ARE MY POSTS?”
        “COPY/PASTE MY POSTS BACK TO ME”
        
        You’re a self-entitled denier, as you admit your posts are on record.
      - Neil Saunders
        
        More drivel.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        “More drivel.”
        
        And yet you continue to post it.
      - Neil Saunders
        
        Some quoted instances of my drivel with an explanation of their deficiencies would be helpful, Leon. Your incisive forensic skills are clearly called for here!
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        And your payment is where?
      - Neil Saunders
        
        My payment, Leon? Your rhetorical brilliance has once again vanquished me, since I cannot grasp your meaning.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        You expect me to work for free? My my!
      - Neil Saunders
        
        Er, this is an Internet forum, Leon. I don’t know what payment you expect, why you expect it or, indeed, from whom you expect it.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So you think “internet” excuses paying workers. Right.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, so 70% of your problems reading… as you ignore what I post in favor of whining. As you “feel” your refusal to take more ESOL lessons…
  - WTF
    
    Can’t you join your fellow nut jobs at the guardian as you’re all on your lonesome here and no one can understand just what the **** you’re on about. Don’t they have a junior section in that rag !
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      So you make wild accusations of widespread mental illness, and hate kids, as you claim that lots of people can’t read English.
      
      I’m hardly alone, and I don’t do the Guardian’s whiny PC. I’m quite happy to insult idiots like you.
      - WTF
        
        Here we go again, inventing stuff from your fantasies.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        “Here we go again, inventing stuff from your fantasies.”
        
        See, no. Your personalities are inventing things from *your* fantasies, not mine.
      - WTF
        
        I’ve posted several links to back up my position where are yours ?
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        How could I produce links which explained your fantasies?
        They’re in your head, nowhere else..that’s the point!
        
        And your post exists;
        
        “fellow nut jobs”
        “junior section”
        
        Etc.
  - 9sqn
    
    Can you do that again please, in English.
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      You can’t even recognize English. Cute.
      - 9sqn
        
        If that was English, I’ve been speaking in ancient Cornish all my life.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        You have? Well, your choice.
WFB56

Suddenly it appears that there is a case for Trump.
- Sue Smith
  
  Yes, a head-case.
edithgrove

“Our own homegrown purveyor of blue-eyed cod-soul middle-of the-road overproduced slush”, LOL.
I like her, but it’s kind of true.
Jackthesmilingblack

Obama hated Britain because the Brits tortured his grandfather.
Trump can’t be too well disposed towards Britain after being banned.
Go Donald!
- Jacobi
  
  Trump was not banned!
  - Todd Unctious
    
    He should be banned.The utter joke.
- Freddythreepwood
  
  Everybody ‘of colour’ who lived in Africa in those days was ‘tortured by the Brits’. Crikey! We certainly did get around!
- Todd Unctious
  
  Trump is Germano-Scotch. A uniquely horrid combination of the humourless ,the austere and the grim.
Sue Smith

Come on now, you cannot have a clown running an extremely powerful nation. That’s Putin out of the way; now let’s talk about Donald. His supporting act is a shrill, hysterical and uneducated “hockey mom”. When I saw those two together recently during that conservative rally I thought about that trailer trash family in Clint Eastwood’s film, “Million Dollar Baby”.

Time for Clint to start questioning another empty chair!!
- polidorisghost
  
  She’s quite dishy though Sue.
  - Sue Smith
    
    Oh, ok, but not my type! I prefer the looks of Rubio!! He’s scrumptious!!
    - polidorisghost
      
      So, one for you and one for me.
      It would be fun comparing notes.
Jacobi

The President does not run the United States. Others do!

Therefore,does it matter all that much who the President is? Obama is, and has been, a waste of space. Her has at times as good turn of speech and demonstrated on at least one occasion that he could put on a good “crying” session in front of the cameras. Whether a spray was used beforehand we don’t know.

On the other hand lots of people have such talents – for what they are worth.

Trump has expressed something in the USA which should have been expressed a long time ago, namely the fears of ordinary people who are having their culture and sense of identity ignored by politicians of all parties.

We now see this in the UK and increasingly throughout Europe. Germany being perhaps now the
potentially most violent place of reaction.

So why not Trump as President of the USA . It will at least give us some amusement?
- whs1954
  
  GIve Obama his due. He doesn’t just weep well; when he puts that special put-on warble into his voice he does a half-decent Martin Luther King impersonation. Which, I suppose, is the point.
  - Jackthesmilingblack
    
    Still hasn’t got around to closing Guantanamo.
- Pioneer
  
  You are selling Obama short. He has caused immense destruction. He will proud of his legacy.
- Leon Wolfeson
  
  Oh, the far right view that your politics need special protection, as your views are such a fragile snowflake they can’t stand the normal pressures of politics.
- WTF
  
  Thats very much the point and Presidents for the most part are like Marketing execs, they set the vision and picture for the future but need able people behind them to (a) tell them what can be done, (b) what is sensible to be done, (c) what is legal under the constitution that can be done.
  
  Ronald Regan was like that and I can see Trump being like that as well despite his brashness. Obamas problem is he micro manages everything, he gets involved where he shouldn’t and doesn’t where he should lead, he only appoints yes men rather than a critical support team and he rides rough shod over the constitution. He’s completely divorced from ordinary people, he doesn’t understand their fears, he expects them to hand over their guns to be slaughtered by Jihadists and illegal gun owners whilst he has 24/7 protection.
  
  All successful business men have a competent team behind them, Obama has yes men and micro-manages whilst Trump has men and women doing the micro management. It could easily work and might have some amusement as well instead of the drama queen that’s there at the moment.
ex-pom

Mr Liddle, you really have hit the nail right on the head again. Your sentiments are so true for so many of us, the “excluded majority” whose views are rigidly censored, derided, ignored and demonised by The PC Elite and their lackeys in the Lame Stream Media.
I think the best judgement of a man is made by examining just who his enemies are and what THEY are like. I don’t have a vote in the American Presidential Election, but if I did I would vote Trump purely on the basis that, if it caused all the utterly ghastly treacherous PC Elite to choke on all their own bile and venom, then that must be a good thing.
- Marvin
  
  It would cause mass suicide of the spineless altruistic left liberal germs who have flushed this country down the sewer in the last forty years with multiculturism and an Islamic invasion of Britain.
  - Leon Wolfeson
    
    Ah, “suicide”, as you talk about the people you hate, the 99%, and your dislike of allowing i.e. Sihks and Jews in the monocult you want.
    - Marvin
      
      I did miss out on people like you as well.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        No, you already mentioned Jews like you.
- NickG
  
  He – Trump is also the most moderate candidate – in the true sense of the term moderate.
  - PaulUK2901
    
    Trump is a narcissistic sociopath, or in other words a Tory.
  - Leon Wolfeson
    
    Which dictionary is that definition in?
Lawrence James.

That great Victorian Tory Colonel Sibthorp would have rightly signed a petitition to keep Trump out. His reasons: no public good would have been served by the presence on an unruly Yankee rabble-rouser who would have caused tumults, frightened the horses and unsettled the labouring classes. He might also have have destroyed swathes of good shooting and farm land.Even the blighted lefties recognised this.
Liberanos

Mr Trump may be a bar-room loud mouth who happens to own the bar, but he surely has a point when, like every other infidel, he objects to being on the koranic hit list.
- Leon Wolfeson
  
  Really, so why are you after him Mr. Koranic?
Marvin

He would cause mass suicide by most of the presenters of LBC Radio, which would be heavenly, the BBC, the Labour Party and the “we love refugees” when they are not being sexually assaulted. “What a wonderful world” sang Satchmo.
William Brown

Back on form! Bl00dy marvellous!
Freddythreepwood

Great stuff, Rod. I’m all for spite.
- Todd Unctious
  
  Spite can be channelled. Rod just does middle aged grumbling badly. Like a Victor Meldrew for the hard of learning.
  - polidorisghost
    
    ??
    Victor Meldrew says “I don’t believe it” and Rod Liddle doesn’t.
Neil Saunders

Strictly speaking, we did not get a Conservative government on May 8th of last year; we got a Blairite one.
- tjamesjones
  
  Strictly speaking, we didn’t.
  - Neil Saunders
    
    Strictly speaking, you’re full of $h!t.
    - Todd Unctious
      
      Just like Cameron and Rod Lidl. The latter a shambolic manifestation of untidiness. Clothes all covered in spilt soup and other food detritus. A messy eater, a messy mind. Nothing of value to say, earns a living by trying to shock. Waste of space.
      - The_greyhound
        
        What, exactly, does a self-righteous liberal nincompoop post here for? It isn’t to share your wit, for you have none. It isn’t to argue a case, because you couldn’t, not even if all your carers turned out to help. Please remember that oxygen is precious, and stop being selfish, wasting it on breathing.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Yea, killing off those who don’t think like you, all you have.
      - The Patriarchy
        
        You really are a silly little man, aren’t you? I expect your parents laughed at you too.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        No, I’m not you and don’t have your family issues.
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      All humans are.
      - Neil Saunders
        
        Must you butt in everywhere, Leon?
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Must you whine everywhere, Censor Sanders?
  - Neil Saunders
    
    Oh, I know your type. You’re one of those vaguely right-wing contrarians who have to disagree with everybody just to show how independent-minded and politically sophisticated they are.
    
    In which case, can you explain why we haven’t had a Blairite government under Cameron since 8/5/15 (indeed, since 2010, with the laughable Coalition)? Social liberalism? SSM, pandering to TG, etc., check. Ill-advised foreign military adventures in support of Neoconservative American aims? Libya, check. Syria, check. Neoliberal economic policy predicated upon debt and public responsibility for private risk? Check. Complete absence of any effective enforcement of our borders or restrictions placed upon mass immigration? Check.
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      I know your “type”. You’re politically correct.
      
      And in denial.
      - Neil Saunders
        
        Shut up, Leon. You don’t even know what the expressions “politically correct” or “in denial” mean.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah yes, censorship, all you have.
        And your attempt to use magic to wipe information from my mind failed, btw.
      - Neil Saunders
        
        You’re deranged, Leon. I’m a vociferous supporter of free speech, and an implacable opponent of censorship.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        “UR DERANGED”
        
        Ah, the far right, social darwinist, totalitarian line that disagreeing with your dogma is mental illness.
        
        As you lie, you’re clearly an orwellian making it up, as you demanded I stop posting, and claimed you could stop me learning things.
        
        So, Neil “The Censor” Sandman…
      - Neil Saunders
        
        Have a lie down, Leon. You’ll feel better for it.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, a threat AND a demand for censorship, from Neil “The Censor” Sanders.
      - Neil Saunders
        
        No threat, Leon. Just friendly advice. And it’s Saunders, with a “u”, by the way.
      - WTF
        
        I’m glad I’m not the only one having to put up with this seriously retarded individual.
      - Neil Saunders
        
        I’m inclined to think he’s mischievous rather than retarded, WTF.
      - 9sqn
        
        Yes but your comrades are getting fewer with each his posts. I just threw in the towel, sorry.
      - WTF
        
        You’re right, I should throw the towel in as well as its really a pointless exercise trying to debate with closed minds like him. I enjoy debating, I can be swayed by honest debate and its a mutual give and take with most here but on all media blog sites, there’s always one who spoils it because they’re a bigot, ‘baiter’, pot stirrer, deliberately being antagonistic or they suffer from some mental aberration or other. What the truth is here is anyone’s guess.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Right, that excuse. And it’s a historically-reference insult, by the way.
      - Neil Saunders
        
        How fascinating.
      - Neil Saunders
        
        I didn’t demand that you stop posting (although I’m fast beginning to wish that I had); I simply told you to shut up (since you were – as usual – prattling inanely and irrelevantly to the question at issue). I never claimed that I could stop you learning things; any ignorance on your part is presumably elective and self-inflicted.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So you deny your post, as you admit you do want me to do so… as you admit again you wanted me to stop posting, as you decry other views in your hate of discussion, and whine I don’t stick to your echo chamber.
        
        And you deny your posts again, as you complain I’m not as ignorant as you want me to be…
      - Neil Saunders
        
        I’m getting to the point where I’d almost be glad if you stopped breathing, Leon.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Well of course, like any other of your far right, because of i.e. my religion.
        
        Beyond censorship to violence, all too common among your brand of extremism.
      - Neil Saunders
        
        What is your religion, Leon, and why should I really want you dead (rather than merely proposing it in jest) on account of it?
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Jest? Well that was a quick backing down. My my!
        
        (And it’s no secret of course, I’m Jewish)
      - Maureen Fisher
        
        It’s not the far right who detest your people but your friends on the left and their Islamist pals.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So you make excuses for your right, of course.
        Then try and make links between the entire left and your fellow extremists.
      - Maureen Fisher
        
        I’m a moderate on most issues but I suppose that counts as “extremist” in your SWP fantasy world.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So, you claim your extremism is moderate, really, as you make up some nonsense about your fantasies of my being SWP. I have about as much time for the SWP as I do the NF – none.
      - PaulUK2901
        
        Is that because the Nazis were a far left group?
      - Maureen Fisher
        
        The far right these days have Islam rather than Jews in their sights.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Funny, when you get down to it the far right always come back to blaming Jews for causing everything. Muslims, all Muslims, are merely the first target.
      - Maureen Fisher
        
        Rest assured, I greatly admire Jews. They really are the chosen people, superior in commerce, the arts, literature and science.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        You have no idea about Judaism and are spouting nonsense.
        We’re not chosen as in better, we’re chosen as in “congratulations you’re volunteered”
        
        I’m not lulled into a sense of false security either, no, as being different is why the far right always tend to use as an excuse for their actions.
  - Sean L
    
    You’re right, it’s not *strictly* speaking merely *politically* speaking.
- Leon Wolfeson
  
  So, you refuse to admit reality…oh dear.
  
  Cameron is well to the right of Thatcher.
  - Neil Saunders
    
    So was Blair.
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      That’s arguable.
      - Neil Saunders
        
        No it isn’t.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        He didn’t *fix* a lot of what Thatcher did, but…
      - Neil Saunders
        
        But what, Leon? He didn’t fix *any* of what Thatcher did. He just extended the neoliberal economic policies while adding crackpot politically-correct social policies and getting us embroiled in vile Neocon wars.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        He didn’t implement them.
        
        And he did do a fair amount of things right too, like NHS funding.
        I detest the man, but there’s enough he did wrong without myths.
      - Neil Saunders
        
        Of course he implemented neoliberal policies, Leon. Do you think Blair was ignorant of Treasury policy during his tenure as PM? Do you think he had no say in who occupied Number 11 Downing Street?
        
        Among other things, Blair and Brown (with his PPPs) privatised the NHS by stealth.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        What? He didn’t implement the policies Thatcher did. You’re being silly…
        
        As you make up nonsense about “privatised”.
      - Neil Saunders
        
        So, privately built and owned hospitals are not private, Leon. An interesting theory, hmm…
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        I didn’t make your statement.
        But thanks for that.
      - Neil Saunders
        
        You denied, by implication, that the NHS has to any degree been privatised by stealth.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        I deny the stealth of the *Coalition’s* actions. It’s quite plain.
      - WTF
        
        Yep, that worked out very well like the Mid Staffs Hospital deaths and cover ups or the Maidstone hospital debacle. Yep, he sure sorted out the NHS and with Gordon Brown and PFI’s, he built more hospitals which our kids will be paying back for decades just to line the pockets of his cronies.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, some people got treated, etc.
        
        The NHS was grossly underfunded. It takes time to fix that, as you want far fewer hospitals…ignore what the Tories have done…
      - WTF
        
        But they can always find plenty of money for golden goodbyes for the labour luvvies who preside over these failings as happened at both of these hospitals.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Oh, right, contracts are followed.
        As you whine about democracy again.
    - WTF
      
      His was was illegal whereas Thatchers was totally legal.
  - Arthur Sparknottle
    
    How’s my up-voting experiment going? Feeling less paranoid? Personality disorder lessening? Do let me know. It may be a break-through in mental health care.
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      Sadly for you, I don’t have your issues – but thanks for confessing here. Your being annoying in a new way…lol.
  - WTF
    
    Best laugh I’ve had in a long time, Cameron right of Thatcher, pull the other one !
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      Yes, I know, I’m using those evil facts again.
      
      For example, Thatcher pushed mildly disabled people onto the non-working disabled roll.
      Cameron is pulling badly disabled people off it.
  - Faff
    
    I think where people get confused with this sentiment is social politics. Thatcher wanted a shoot to kill policy in Ireland, she saw no problem with a racially-divided, two-tier society (her stance on Apartheid SA and Britain’s black population) and was quite happy discriminating against homosexuals (Section 28).
    
    Cameron has dropped all that nonsense but his economic policies are fairly obviously to the right of Thatcher.
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      Oh the other hand, Thatcher had a lot less against the poor than Cameron – some of the propaganda he’s put out has been absolutely loathsome.
Summer Isles

It would be good to see Newsnight on the back foot.

The night before the Syria vote in the Commons they had several reporters shrieking at some hapless Labour MP for, and I quote, ‘failing to stop Cameron’. This was after days of reports about murderous bombing raids on civilian targets.

Since then the RAF and allies have pushed Daesh into retreat without a single civilian casualty.
- Grandito
  
  Actually the RAF made three sorties and dropped a few bombs on an oil-field that had been bombed by the USAF a few days previously, therefore achieving precisely nothing, That was in the first few days after the vote. They haven’t been back since. Not a single sortie. Not one.
  - Summer Isles
    
    That is untrue, as you will see if you follow this link.
    
    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/update-air-strikes-against-daesh
- 9sqn
  
  Yes, indeed, and on their way over here as we speak.
Nicetime

I couldn’t agree more but the tragedy is that he seems determined to torpedo his own campaign via Twitter. Iowa was winnable and he blew that. He would be a wonderful rebuke to 8 years of smug, mendacious hypocrisy under Obama, and I hope he’d stack the IRS with his placemen and audit the democrats and progressive organisations until the pips squeak. I would also love to see him standing next to an ashen Obama at his inauguration. He’s got to get there first though, and he seems determined to make that harder work than it needs to be.

Rubio would be an insipid candidate and Cruz is a slimy idiot. There is just no way he can resonate

Rod, you need to get together with Ann Coulter. Maybe the two of you could jointly host Newsnight or something
The Prez

The election butthurt was glorious. So many enraged lefties. It was worth 5 years of Cameron rule just for that
- Neil Saunders
  
  Nothing is worth 5 years of Cameron rule, even the flouncing Metro-pique of the Guardianistas (many of whose own pet causes, such as same-sex marriage and open-door immigration, have been adopted or continued by the Conservatives).
John Steadman

Ah…wot the hell….I loves yu Rod, even if that costs me all credibility as a raw meat hetero (I like to think, albeit through the mists of memory.). Oh to see the buggers turning on the spit, every day for at least 4 years!
John Andrews

“Rod Trumps Libs”
Chamber Pot

Yes, the atavistic pleasure will no doubt be orgasmic.

I dream of fellow plumpers Diane Abbott (who, by the way, is beginning to bear a worrying resemblance Archbishop Dedmond Tutu) and Emily Thornberry sputtering some inanity, usually the first thing that comes into their heads, upon hearing that The Don has triumphed.
ulmer

Seriously though when are they going scrap Newsnight? I love very urgent affair
Skyline UK

I’m still cherishing the look on Andrew Marr’s face in the general election studio when the news came in about Cameron heading for a majority! Face like thunder doesn’t cover it – he was quite literally speechless when Dimbleby went to him for an initial reaction.
- Tom M
  
  True but watching Ed Balls was pure nectar.
Mc

“I want to see President Trump – if only because of who he’d annoy”

It would certainly be worth it, if only to cause an aneurysm for Clinton hagiographer,Janice Turner.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/article4684304.ece
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/life/article4410015.ece
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/magazine/article4121832.ece
dramocles

Don’t worry about Neil Young, Rod. Darryl Hannah has form here, having “graced” the arm of Jackson Browne for a while (until he grew tired of her bonkers behaviour and (allegedly) biffed her (or maybe didn’t, depending on who you believe)).

Only a matter of time before he’s back on track (see what I did there…..)
Michael Rolph

“So, all those people to enrage. The people who do not believe that it is even remotely legitimate to have a view which differs from their own” is surely the most ironic sentence in this entire post, which is otherwise fairly boring, hateful, close-minded, unintuitive, and totally useless.
- Faff
  
  To be fair, I think Rod gave us all an insight into how self-aware he is, when he abandoned his marriage for a woman half his age.
Patrick Roy

Yes it will be sublime. Can’t wait! Every truly intelligent person is eagerly waiting, despite reports to the contrary!!
mikelorrey

Another reason for the British to hope for a trump victory is the probability of all the Hollywood actors and celebrities following through on their threats to move out of the US if he is elected, because they would likely wind up in London and revive the British movie industry.
- Leon Wolfeson
  
  Nope, no way most of them would get visa’s under the current UK government policy.
  
  Yes, that is as idiotic as it sounds.
  - mikelorrey
    
    You know those rules only apply to us little people. If they let in Madonna, they’ll let in anybody. As recently as 2011 the UK govt offered tier 1 immigration status to hollywood celebrities.. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/bad-timing-as-london-riots-220922
    “To be eligible, applicants must have won an Academy Award, a BAFTA, a
    Golden Globe or an Emmy Award or have been nominated in the five years
    before applying. The government has set aside 300 spots for anyone who
    meets the requirements.
    
    The benefits? If granted Tier 1 status, applicants can work in the U.K.
    without the need of a sponsor — a strict requirement for
    not-so-exceptional types — and set themselves on a path to permanent
    residence and citizenship.”
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      No, I know one of your conspiracy theories though now.
      
      The reality is I’m in creative media, and the UK is notorious for rejections – heck, for rejecting work visa’s now. Things are shifting towards Canada.
      
      (Not the tiny amount of Tier 1 people, the solid “Tier 2” bloc which makes most of the cash)
      - WTF
        
        Creative Media, well that explains a lot, thanks for that admission now I can contextualize your dumb posts somewhat better.
      - Faff
        
        Leon says he works in the industry under discussion and you use that as a pretext for assuming he doesn’t know about the industry under discussion.
        
        Well that explains a lot, thanks for that admission; now I can contextualise your dumb posts somewhat better.
      - WTF
        
        I fail to see any connection between creative media and his many previous statements other than the fact he has been pedantic in push a wish or lie which is the core purpose of creative media. Politicians of course will use creative media companies to push their idea just as the left have ‘rammed’ this idea of immigration or mass migrant influx down our throats as being a good idea.
        
        I can certainly see the partnership between the left, their policies and creative media in trying to ‘sell’ their ideas but a big problem arises when the message you’re trying to push is being rejected by the majority. Although not mentioned specifically in ‘creative media’ terms, I’ve raised the issues regarding the lies consistently put out by the left over migrants and my stance has been borne out by the reaction of the majority in Europe to Merkels policies and presumable ‘creative media’ push.
        
        I’ve worked with marketing people (not that different to CM) many times in the past and the problem many have is believing their own message. Its good to have a vision or message to drive you BUT when its not working you have to stop and figure out why. I worked for an American company across Europe & Scandinavia and at ‘work shops’ in California I along with other global sales support staff had to stand up and give a pitch unfortunately bringing them down to reality on our neck of the woods on what would fly rather than their wishful thinking. Its much the same here but unfortunately others and myself are having great difficulty as we can’t work out what song sheet he is even singing from.
      - Faff
        
        Aaah I’ve made a boob here. I took ‘creative media’ to be a generic term encapsulating that part of the media which is creative (which would include Hollywood) rather than a reserved language term (for a species of marketing). A quick Google search has helped clarify this for me. Mea Culpa.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Actually, look here;
        
        http://creativeskillset.org/creative_industries
        
        Advertising is just one of the many fields of creative media, and not one I’m actually involved in.
      - Faff
        
        Thanks for the info. So… Creative media does include film then?
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Yes!
      - WTF
        
        Simply put, I believe this encapsulates what CM is as I wanted to confirm exactly what it meant just to satisfy myself –
        
        Creative
        Media starts with developing that initial idea and then executing it in
        the highest quality yet most efficient manner to motivate your target
        audience and reinforce your strategic objective.
        
        It’s not the same as
        media studies. Media studies is an the discipline and field of study that
        deals with the content, history and effects of various media; in
        particular, the ‘mass media’.
        
        The former, CM is in my interpretation just a fancy way of saying that its the detail part of Marketing an idea or policy. In the case of politics you have a message based on your ideology you wish to put out there and you use CM to try and achieve it. Unlike Media Studies that is based on actual facts past or present, Creative Media can’t by definition have much if anything in the way of facts, as its an idea. If it works, in hind sight it will become factual but not at the conceptual point.
        
        That was the thrust of my point about marketing.
      - Faff
        
        Yeah but it clearly wasn’t the meaning Leon ascribed to it, so you were just being obtuse. People who pretend they don’t understand the terms under discussion, so they can feel like they’ve won the argument by stealth are… a thing that is unprintable on these hallowed pages.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So you make up fantasies in your hate of the sector…sigh. As you constantly hate the Other.
        
        As you see a problem with allowing even the basics of democracy. As you claim a few thousand is a majority… as you raise your hate constantly, and confuse creative media with the press. Advertising is in fact a field of creative media, and your problem is yours – it’s one trained professionals in the field don’t do. If you don’t have a strong sense of fantasy vs reality, you don’t last long in CM.
        
        You managed to do a lot of damage to a company, you admit, as you sabotaged their work and as your personalities admit you can’t even understand other views exist.
      - WTF
        
        Its always ‘hate’ with you isn’t it, you’re so insecure you can’t just debate the facts or views.
        
        You’re just like Obama is, you just want yes men to surround you so you can micro-manage rather than hear the unvarnished truth. The purpose of these work shops I attended in California along with other European sales support staff was to help these Marketing men understand the European market by constructive criticism but immediately you’re off on your hate and persecution kick missing the point entirely. The difference was they learned from us and working together we got products suitable for the EU market place as opposed to ones purely for the US market place. With you in that role you’d take offense, close your eyes and no product would ever surface for Europe due to your attitude.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, I use a fact so you do what you accuse me of.
        
        Then you go off on a hate rant about your view of Obama in your conspiracy theory… as you talk about a sales workshop as gospel, as you blame me for your issues and your product failure.
        
        Your kicking…
      - WTF
        
        Perhaps you always work in isolation rather than as a team and that’s why you have so much of a problem
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        No, I don’t have your issues, but thanks for confessing.
        
        In fact, working alone is vanishingly rare in creative media and I’ve never had a project where I was.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, so you hate one of Britain’s most profitable industries.
        
        As you fantasise more silly things in your head, right.
      - WTF
        
        You have to understand when your message isn’t working and engage with reality, thats your problem.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, you want to be my problem because I don’t exactly agree with you, as you only consider your “message” reality. Like any other narrow-minded…
      - WTF
        
        Its not my message, its the majorities. The following poll was in 2011 and shows Europe is against mass immigration and its a lot worse now.
        
        http://www.euractiv.com/future-eu/europeans-overwhelmingly-immigration-poll-news-507074
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Yes yes, you claim the majority support your far right.
        
        As you ignore it didn’t poll for your policies.
      - WTF
        
        Firstly the petition was about banning Trump, nowhere did it mention far right. In fact you are the one talking about ‘far right’ not me and in fact I don’t even know what ‘far right’ even means in 2016. The link I posted was over mass immigration, it was you who linked it to ‘far right’, again what ever that really means. There are those of us who want to see immigration cut or stopped from certain areas and there are those who want to open the floodgates.
        
        Your ‘far right’ point is all based on your own self created fantasies as I can’t support something that I don’t believe exists
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So you’re back there…as you “don’t know” what your extremisrts believe…as you ignore the fact it didn’t ask about your policy.
        
        As you talk about your wanting your isolationism and wanting students stopped, etc. – then you make up magical flood gates, as you frantically excuse your far right, and indeed you’re making excuses for the vandalism and graffiti round here.
      - WTF
        
        Someone who wants to open the borders to everyone with no back ground checks is a reckless extremist in many peoples view.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Oh, thanks for talking about your many personalities.
        
        As you mention a policy which isn’t my view.
      - WTF
        
        Trump wants to close the borders and you’ve already stated you disagree with him so by definition you want to open the borders.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        I’m just not a bigoted isolationist, you’re being very silly. There’s far more than two views.
        
        But for you, it’s evidently always so black and white – your views, then everyone else who you lump together in your PC collectivism.
      - WTF
        
        What is ‘far right’ ?
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        “What is my ideology”?
        
        Oh, you bad joker…
      - WTF
        
        The generally accepted meanings of politicized words have changed significantly in just the past 20 years but haven’t been satisfactorily been replaced by new ones.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, you want to wipe out meanings of words. And “replace” them with others. You’re a good Orwellian as well.
      - WTF
        
        What you would call the left (not me) regularly accuse people like myself of being a bigot just because we hold different views to them but ironically, the dictionary meaning of a bigot is “a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions”.
        
        I rest my case.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So you start with the PC bigotry again.
        You seem to be very active with that bigotry, and it’s not at all ironic, just ongoing.
      - Ridcully
        
        It’s “People I don’t like.”
      - WTF
        
        I like that, its an easy cop out by those apologists for criminally inclined migrants posing as refugees to fire off at the majority that want to keep them out of the country..
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        PS, petitions for and against Trump;
        
        https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/114003
        Against – 578,609
        
        https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/114907
        For – 44,653
      - WTF
        
        It means little as there are 3 million or more Muslims living in the UK so if the vote was from Muslims, that’s still only 15% of Muslims who voted on a ban. As for the ‘for’ vote, any sane person knows that a UK government wouldn’t ban Trump coming in if he gets POTUS so whats the point in voting.
        
        In reality, I suspect it was 2-300,000 libs and the same number of Muslims voting on a ban, hardly a ringing endorsement against Trump from the Muslim community. Now ask the question of all ethnic groups “do you want to see immigration controls tightened”, and you’d be devastated at how many want to see tighter controls.
        
        The bottom line is mass migration is a big problem.
        
        http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/what-is-the-problem
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, claims it was all Muslims. On the back of wild claims…and excuses.
        
        As you have a go at LibDems…sad. As you ignore what people actually want, and make wild claims about support for your far right, and link one of the worse hate sites in Britain, showing your desire to end to the Union, etc.
      - WTF
        
        Dyslexic as well – Quote “I suspect it was 2-300,000 libs and the same number of Muslims voting on a ban”
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So ignoring the first sentence of your post… as you hate on dyslexic people…sigh.
        
        And you can’t count either. Tip – it got a specific number of people… if you mean half, why not just say it?
        
        (I am in fact dyslexic, but it doesn’t affect my reading)
      - WTF
        
        Unknowingly I did hit a nerve but the figure you posted was 578,609 not 1 million and I responded to that. But if its a million, it still doesn’t change the point of my post
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        You didn’t know you attacked someone? Er…
        
        I corrected myself.
      - PaulUK2901
        
        Most people I know signed the Petition to ban Trump not to actually get him banned from Britain, but to rather register their utter disgust at the fat, fake fool. Trump is an appalling person and over 500,000 people wanted to say that. Obviously, he is an icon for some right wingers, because he says what they are thinking.
      - WTF
        
        Personally, I think these petitions are a waste of time anyway as they haven’t any teeth what ever the subject matter.
      - PaulUK2901
        
        They got a Debate on Trump. They helped delay the bombing on Syria. So they are not perfect, but they definitely do exert some pressure. At the moment this Government are not taking notice of anybody. They think they can do what they want, so any way they can be embarrassed is better than nothing. (Sign the Vote of No Confidence in David Cameron Petition, over 200,000 and climbing. Lol.)
      - WTF
        
        Not at all, CM is very useful, even essential to promote goods and services but only if the goods and services are real and have value. If CM has no substance to back it, its nothing but spin just like the CM push over the benefits of mass migration.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, so you only want to admit advertising exists within creative media. One of the fields of CM where I have not, in fact, worked.
        
        Tip – http://creativeskillset.org/creative_industries
        
        As you whine about the Other as usual.
        
        The reality is that Creative Media moves to where the global talent pool can be tapped, because creative individuals can’t be replaced easily. Canada is doing very, very well at taking business from us.
      - WTF
        
        I’ve always found CM & Marketeers are well versed in self promotion !
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Not really – CM goes well beyond marketing and advertising.
        
        Try and get a games coder (talking *in general*) to do some self-promotion. It’s…uh…
      - WTF
        
        Creative work like games coding is by definition fantasy & fiction and great it is too. On occasion I immerse myself in games like Myst, Riven and others for escapism but I do understand the difference between fantasy PC games and Creative Media Spin used for political purposes like trying to sell us on mass immigration.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So you still blame Creative Media for press reporting. Sigh.
      - WTF
        
        I never said that but it sure is creative from the MSM !
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So you deny your post. Sigh.
      - valedictorian
        
        American celebrities, a lot of them Canadian anyway, don’t want to live in Canada because of the higher taxes! They like to bash, from afar..
  - WTF
    
    Course they would, we let in a convicted celeb rapist from the USA and they’ll certainly let in Hollywood celebs with money.
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      Except the UK is routinely refusing them. Again, this is not the top tier, but the tier below – the people who actually need to do full-time work on these projects rather than turn up for the filming!
      - WTF
        
        So you work for the border agency as well do you ?
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Funny, it’s almost like I participate on industry-specific web forums and have some idea of the issues facing the industries in which I work.
        
        The immigration rules are also public.
      - WTF
        
        Where are your URL’s backing your assertions ?
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        My assertions about my personal actions?
        You want detailed personal information about me?
        
        Aha no.
      - WTF
        
        URL’s backing your posts, I’m not interested in your personal info !
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Thanks for admitting you’re not actually interested in it, only having a go at me, as that’s what you asked for.
      - WTF
        
        You’re hilarious and sad at the same time.
        
        You wont post URL’s pertinent to the point you’re trying to make and only throw in some side issue, when I call you out on that you seem to think that I’m after your personal traits, and when I correct you, you flip back to where you started from.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        “UR HILARIOUS”
        “UR SAD”
        
        You’re the one with the side issues (and constant, unrelated accusations), as you try and “correct” me by saying I can’t have my own views, different from yours.
        
        You’re the one flipping around, as I reply to your posts. You wanted personal information on my participation in industry-specific forums, for instance. It’s you.
        
        (And no, I don’t care if you “only” want URL’s of my participation..)
      - WTF
        
        As Dirty Harry said “A man needs to know his limitations”, just go back to your own ‘creative world’ where your fantasies can satisfy your warped view of life whilst us adults debate real issues.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah yes, those not just like you can be blocked from saying anything, child-hater, as you decry the creative industries.
        
        As you want only symphonic approval, no debate, among your tiny far right… your dislike of democracy, even..
      - 9sqn
        
        Forget it, the bloke’s round the twist.
      - WTF
        
        Yep, he certainly is but at least I can still hold onto my sanity long after he lost his. He’s certainly one of a kind but sometimes I like a good challenge.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, you claim only your views are sane, etc.
        
        As you ignore the fact there are plenty of Jews like me. But hey, the “challenge” of taking action against us…
      - WTF
        
        OK Mr. Hate, are we back to your Jewish syndrome again as all the Jewish people I’ve ever met were very rationale and had a grasp of reality. What happened in your case ?
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, and you’re back to hating on Jews, as you admit you haven’t met any, of course.
      - WTF
        
        “taking action against us” ??? Do you actually read what you post, what the **** are you on about.
        
        None of the Jewish people I am friends with have this persecution complex so why do you harbor this hate or perhaps self loathing.
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Yes, right, you don’t know any other Jewish people, as you make wild accusations against me and the Jews like me, I hear you.
        
        I do read your post, ****, hence your issues. Your desire to persecute me is quite straiightfoward, and you’re projecting your hate and self-loathing – which evidently comes from your view that virtually all Humans are insane…
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah, the wild accusations of mental illness, for disagreeing with you.
        
        That’s far right, social darwinist and totalitarian of you, as you try and shut down discussion.
      - WTF
        
        No, what he means is don’t waste your time with someone of limited attachment to reality !
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        So you say the same thing as your other account there, right, as you hate on me.
- WTF
  
  Yep, there’s been a bunch of them threatening to leave Hollywood like Emily Blunt but its all hot air as big bucks trumps their aversion to Trump, they wont leave as like all liberals, its all mouth and trousers.
  - Caviar luvvie
    
    Emily Who?
    When was her last movie?
    - WTF
      
      You’re right, Emily who ?
- 9sqn
  
  Nah, they’d see what a multi-cultural schyt hole really looked like and go back to Beverley Hills.
  - Leon Wolfeson
    
    Funny, there are i.e. Jews in Beverley Hills.
    - 9sqn
      
      Yes. I’m sure there are. Jews generally integrate and are welcoming decent people with humour. Yourself excepted, obviously. Muslims do not.
      - PaulUK2901
        
        So you approve of Jews, but not of Muslims? All 1.6 billion Muslims?
      - 9sqn
        
        Pretty much what I said yes. In general, Jews are not migrating from their homelands in their millions. Unlike Muslims, they contribute to society and science and are part of the community. I despise all religion although most, in this day and age and on a global scale, are fairly benign. Except, that is, for Islam. Its medieval vaIues and practises are the greatest threat to our way of life there is today. I am against the accelerating and relentless Islamification of Great Britain and Europe by what now can only be termed the colonisation of the West.
      - PaulUK2901
        
        Of the 1.6 billion Muslims which ones do you despise the most? Pakistani Muslims? Indonesian Muslims? British Muslims? Australian Muslims? Which ones are the main scroungers?
      - 9sqn
        
        If you could read a whole paragraph you’d see it was the RELIGION I despise. I don’t actually give a flying Fk what race they are. So why don’t you take your pathetic attempts at being forensic to someone who thinks you have something remotely interesting to say.
      - David Addison
        
        Nice beatdown, 9sqn. PaulUK2901 was just *owned*.
      - PaulUK2901
        
        You think so? Lol!
      - Caviar luvvie
        
        Abso-phakking-lutely!
        
        To compare Jews to Muslims, is like comparing a ceramic fruit bowl to the trainspotting toilet.
      - PaulUK2901
        
        Have you ever lived in a Muslim country?
      - Leon Wolfeson
        
        Ah yes, the old excuses for your discrimination.
        
        As you try and single me out, when I’m hardly atypical. As you list everything you’re not for that matter, in your views so out of step with Britain…
PaulUK2901

Really stupid, nasty, racist article. Wishing Trump on the globe out of spite is fairly typical Tory selfishness though.
- flydlbee
  
  Effective, obviously. It has annoyed you, and hopefully all the other lefty loons. I had no reason to like Trump until you made your post.
  - PaulUK2901
    
    I wouldn’t say it has annoyed me, it’s written by Rod Liddle so it’s hardly surprising.
- Herd Mentality
  
  All you Btits can eat Shiite and die.
  - Valerianus Maximus
    
    I suspect that Britain has more of a problem with having their eggs cooked Sunni side up.
- Doh
  
  Quote the parts of the article that were racist.
  - PaulUK2901
    
    “….how wonderful of the Americans to elect him and what a marvellous, marvellous little black man he is! ”
    
    What has the colour of Barack Obamas skin got to do with him being elected leader of the free world?
    
    Rod Liddle needs to rein in his more racist urges and calm down dear.
    - Dr Bock
      
      I think you’re confusing his satirical comment on the weird racial attitudes of others for racism.
      - Valerianus Maximus
        
        What is problematic is that young whites stew in these weird racial attitudes that are demanded of them until they denounce their genetic composition and try to become something they are not, as Rachel Dolezal did.
      - PaulUK2901
        
        It’s not satirical, it’s racist.
      - Dr Bock
        
        Well, I disagree.
      - 9sqn
        
        It’s satirical. Only humourless, leftie, wannabe thought controllers would think otherwise.
      - PaulUK2901
        
        No it’s definitely racist.
      - Arthur Sparknottle
        
        Oh shut up.
      - Caviar luvvie
        
        You’re an imbecile.
      - Desperate Dan’s Porridge
        
        Not it isn’t you virtue signalling little bore.
      - PaulUK2901
        
        No, you are wrong Desperate. It is really racist.
      - Desperate Dan’s Porridge
        
        You are just a bit thick aren’t you. As I said, no sense of irony and far too eager to wallow in sanctimony and virtue signalling.
      - PaulUK2901
        
        No, you are wrong Desperate. It is really racist.
    - Michael North
      
      Obama’s colour is the reason he was elected. Affirmative Action reached the White House.
      - PaulUK2901
        
        Actually his colour wasn’t really much to do with it, except for the novelty value of being the first black POTUS. The really important part of the US electorate that brought Obama to power was the under 45 age group. They voted overwhelmingly for Obama in both elections. The same group that is flocking to support Bernie Sanders in 2016.
      - Gilbert White
        
        He is half caste open your goddam eyes!
      - PaulUK2901
        
        So?
      - Caviar luvvie
        
        His skin colour was THE ONE AND ONLY reason this useless community organiser was elected.
        Talk about waycism.
      - Michael North
        
        Sure. The most stupid and ignorant part of the population voted for Obama, with his colour giving them the chance to feel good.
        Sanders is peddling the same adolescent fantasy.
        God help America.
    - Arthur Sparknottle
      
      That wasn’t racism, he was parodying the reactions of a great many. That’s pretty much what huge numbers were thinking but as is the way with parody – he exaggerated it a little for comedic effect. Can you deny that much of the joyous reaction to Obama’s election was about the fact that he was black? I felt that myself. I can remember exactly where I was when he was sworn in and I was carried along by that feeling.
    - Doh
      
      It’s satire.
gk420

I’ll just add all the warmongers at places like the “conservative” National Review, who’s most recent issue was a massive polemic against Mr. Trump from over a dozen different writers. They will probably all light their hair on fire and endorse Hillary Clinton, a woman who shares their bloodlust https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgcd1ghag5Y if only to prove that women are equally capable of starting wars that destabilize entire regions, cost trillions of dollars, and have no clear objectives of winning!
- TatR
  
  Well yeah, but… it’s not like Trump is a good alternative to this and would almost certainly be worse. Last night he called for more torture.
  - gk420
    
    I disagree. The only person who didn’t want more torture was Ted Cruz, oddly enough. And the Texas Senator would almost certainly start a war with Iran. He would bomb their nuclear facilities, they would retaliate in some way, and he would call that aggression, and say we need some Shock and Awe 2: Persian Style. The so called “moderate” candidates, Kasich, Christie, and Bush, have all said that we should shoot down Russian and Syrian government planes to protect “moderate” rebels. Rubio wants to torture them, keep them in Guantanamo forever, attack Iran’s nuclear facilities, shoot down Russian planes, and probably reinvade Iraq, Syria, Libya, probably Iran…
    
    Trump has said he wants to work with Russia to solve the Syrian crisis. He’s said he would enforce the Iranian deal, not tear it up on day one. He said we have to hold accountable our allies that buy ISIS oil (I’m looking at you Erdogan). His trade policy might heighten tensions with China, but I doubt he wants to fight them of the Spratly Islands (which all the “moderates” surely do). And he even said he wants to solve the issue with North Korea by pressuring China to deal with it diplomatically. I guess my point is that Trump is a wild card with no guarantees, and you’re right that it could potentially end up worse. But all the others are guaranteeing awful.
    
    Killary Clinton is guaranteeing corrupt government at home, and war with the rest of the world. Sanders is promising integrity based, failed policies at home, and almost certainly trusting the Clinton Democrat establishment positions for foreign policy. So like I said, the alternatives are guaranteeing terrible, and while Trump might be able to match them, I think there’s actually a chance he is more sane than the others, and that’s a chance I’m willing to take.
    - Son_of_Casandra
      
      Based on your comment, Rubio sounds ideal to me.
The Laughing Cavalier

The memory of Jeremy Hardy whinging on the News Quiz when George W was re-elected in 2004 still brings a smile to my face.
artemis in france

Exactly the reasons I hope for a Trump victory. Also I love the way he’s pissing off all those corporate lobbyists because he doesn’t need them.
TatR

We’ve all had such frustrated nihlist thoughts sometimes when someone more on “our side” annoys us, but rarely do they make it out of the moment and actually into print. Bit of a silly temper tantrum this, from a writer I usually like (and whose book I bought and enjoyed).
- freedom74
  
  Then you’re one of the oversensitive lefties he was talking about.
  - TatR
    
    My feelings aren’t hurt, sir. I just don’t want someone like Trump as president. And neither does Rod. He’s just being silly.
Dr Bock

Persuasive, Rod, I haven’t the saintly patience required to sublimate such impulses, I’m also not an American, and so cannot vote, but I do regard the possibility of a Trump presidency with a perverse joy, for similar reasons. Given that Obama was a reaction against Bush there’d be certain piquancy to Trump as a reaction against Obama. It’s always fun to discuss the differences between Republicans and Democrats thus: Republicans favour the death penalty, which disproportionately kills ethnic minorities, Democrats favour abortion, which achieves the same, and, from a misanthropic perspective, it’s fewer people, regardless of colour.
Ben

No, Young was not for Reagan in 1980.
- Cornelius Bonkers
  
  But I was
Maureen Fisher

What is most revealing is how much liberals hate the great unwashed when they vote for the wrong kind of politician. These are the downtrodden over whom they usually weep copious years.
- Leon Wolfeson
  
  You claimed to be a moderate, and now claim to be “liberals”. Hmm.
  - Maureen Fisher
    
    Oh dear. I seem to have picked up a stalker. Let me assure you, I will give you all the attention you need when I’m not quite so busy.
    - Leon Wolfeson
      
      A stalker? Well, tell the police.
      
      And then you as a completely separate talk to me, who has simply replied to your post on a public forum over your political ideologies and who you’re whining at and making up nonsense about “attention”.
- Cornelius Bonkers
  
  “Revolution is the opium of the intellectuals” – Oh Lucky Man (Lindsay Anderson – about 1970?). Lefty intellectuals will never learn that we the working class are not like them…
Michael North

Trump has done what no one else could have done – he has made US politics interesting to normal people outside the USA.
- PaulUK2901
  
  Only in the same respect as people rubber-necking a car crash.Just wait until Trump finally explodes into super nova, it will be hugely entertaining.
  - freedom74
    
    Your just full of completely trash information, aren’t you? Most useless posts I have ever come across.
    - PaulUK2901
      
      Not “your”, it’s “you are” or “you’re”.
Cav

Like it Rod.
faustinaagatha

That is my quandry. Is spite a proper reason for voting for some one? I can just hear the crashing of K and J street edifices.
Peter Connor

Trump is the candidate who makes the chattering classes, the corporate lobbyists, the defense contractors, the lefty academics (but then I repeat myself) and the campaign consultants go full retard….I can’t imagine anything more fun.
Arthur Sparknottle

Very amusing piece as usual, and I agree that it is fun to see the spittle spattered faces of left wing loons, but President Trump? Really? I can’t imagine anything worse and the prospect of Trump unleashing the power of American military around the world is not an inspiring one. The forty-third president was bad enough, and I think Trump would be worse by a long way. Ranting demagogues with the power to unleash war should be avoided at all costs – even if the price is that Polly Toynbee is jumping for joy over the first female American president.

To be honest, I don’t think that Trump would be electable. In spite of the following imbeciles like Palin attract, I don’t think that in general Americans are that stupid.
- Pioneer
  
  You are mistaken. Trump believes in self defense only. It takes a strong military so “noboby will mess with us.”
  - Arthur Sparknottle
    
    Thanks for your perspective on the matter. If he is elected, I do hope that you are right. I have no problem with self defence at all. I agree that strength is the best defence against unwarranted attack. My concern is that interventions in the Middle East have utterly failed and have made things immeasurably worse. The idea that any power will make things better there or anywhere else by deposing governments and letting the people sort out a marvellous new republic ought to be put at the top of the list of Never Again Experiments. The places where this has been tried or encouraged are in ruins and the evil forces unleashed will never be stopped.
    - freedom74
      
      One thing we can be sure of, Trump is the only candidate that was NOT involved in voting for, promoting, running or allocating funding to, our current wars (except Carson and Fiorna who have both made speeches detailing all the bombing and invading they would do). It’s a nice move to wax philosophic over the possible evils of a Trump presidency, but it is hypocritical to overlook the political records of the other candidates and give them a pass for actions ALREADY TAKEN, or threats clearly made.
  - PaulUK2901
    
    “….he escapades of Obama/Hillary”?
    
    Such as?
    
    Don’t you mean the “…….escapades of Bush/Cheney”? President Obama has spent the last seven years repairing the Sh*tstorm that Cheney created with his two illegal wars.
    - freedom74
      
      One of the least informed and idiotic posts I have ever read. A complete lack of knowledge in US history and politics can be your only excuse.
      - PaulUK2901
        
        “….the escapades of Obama/Hillary”?
        
        Enlighten me, what escapades?
      - Robbydot1
        
        What about destabilising the whole M East and facillitating the rise of Isis?
      - PaulUK2901
        
        Were you in a coma for the Bush Presidency? Blaming Obama for de-stabilising the Middle East is like blaming Jimmy Carter for Vietnam. Please try to keep up.
      - Pioneer
        
        Obama pulled out of Iraq, leaving a vacuum.
        What do you think Obama/Clinton were getting up to in Libya?
        Who were they dealing with and who were they supplying on the ground?
      - PaulUK2901
        
        So Obama bringing out troops from Iraq was to blame, whereas Bush invading with 160.000 troops was nothing to do with de-stabilising the region?
        
        I understand why right wingers like to put this point of view forward, but deceiving yourself never works.
      - Pioneer
        
        You didn’t answer the questions.
        Probably a good idea to know about the subject before posting.
      - PaulUK2901
        
        Lmao! Yo’re not the sharpest tool in the box, are you?
      - Pioneer
        
        You are a lost cause. Not interested in finding out what the truth is, just repeating leftist nonsense.
      - Rationality
        
        When you’re stabbed and the blade is left in the wound can often be stable, and removing the blade is when the problems really start. Regardless though, you’re going to have to remove that blade at some point; and who are you going to have more grievance with? The stabber or the puller?
        
        And if you don’t agree with this analogy, then you’ll need to accept that really the area was far more “stable” with Hussein in power in Iraq, so it’s still Bush and Blair’s issue.
      - Pioneer
        
        You might argue Bush/Blair are responsible for Iraq, but as usual with lefties, you have selected just one point and ignored the rest.
        
        Obama/Clinton are entirely responsible for all the rest of it, as briefly outlined in my previous post.
        
        The destruction of America from within has been Obama’s greatest achievement. Not all of his damage can be repaired, some is permanent.
      - PaulUK2901
        
        You’re still not the sharpest tool in the box, are you?
      - Mike Nelson
        
        ‘Obama pulled out of Iraq, leaving a vacuum.’
        
        Was it a Hoover or a Dyson? But either way, probably not worth the trouble of going back for it.
- Desperate Dan’s Porridge
  
  Fair comment and well argued Arthur but surely the thought of a spittle spattered Polly Toynbee is worth the odd power crazed incursion into some god forsaken part of the globe.
- davidofkent
  
  Re your final statement, they must be – they elected Obama twice.
HomoRationalensis

Trump could indeed win and if that happens, the neoliberal order that Washington underwrites down the end of the gun barrel is over. More so, Trump will align with Russia, China, India and the war will be take to Islam in a scale unheard of.

I live for this day.
- Robbydot1
  
  Great post, I do hope that’s right about the Joint Chiefs.
- PaulUK2901
  
  Are you twelve years old or just using crack?
  - HomoRationalensis
    
    Ask your mother
    - PaulUK2901
      
      She’s dead sonny.
      - HomoRationalensis
        
        Whatever
      - PaulUK2901
        
        Spoken like a true scum bag.
      - HomoRationalensis
        
        Do you think members of the Global Patriotic Alliance GAF about the feelings of some effeminate bankrupt Western Left-Wing Neoliberal, Sunni State Sponsored Terrorists?
        
        Prepare for the counterbalance to your ideology. We’ve already launched Trump & Putin into political, military battle. Modi has launched a commercial counter-attack in India.
        
        Not quite figured it all out yet have you?
        
        Greetings from Tel Aviv, Israel
- Pioneer
  
  Not sure it would be over forever. The liberals would still be there, agitating and planning a coup.Unless they were all banished.
  - HomoRationalensis
    
    Would you dare to stick around if you were one of those traitors?
- Arthur Sparknottle
  
  You write like a war warmongering lunatic. Totally irrational – like some megalomaniac character as the bad guy in a Bond movie. Maybe you are a fan writer of bad Bond film scripts.
  - HomoRationalensis
    
    Anything to see muslims suffer
  - PaulUK2901
    
    I’m fairly sure that he’s a kid, he certainly writes like a teenager.
- Son_of_Casandra
  
  Ahem…..Iran is also Islamic and yet you seem to think they’re on the side against Islamism. They’re on the side of their own flavour of Islamism.
  - HomoRationalensis
    
    The Iranians are monumentally less suicidal than the Sunnis. Understand that Sunni means “majority”, Shia means “minority”. The Iranians rejected sunni version of Islam outright.
Innit Bruv

Get used to it you fat b@stard !!!
If there’s so much you hate here, try relocating.
The Australian outback may be better suited to you.
- The Patriarchy
  
  Probably time for your medication, and then the warder will read you a story.
BobSmith101

Trump is the only US politician to speak directly to Islamic reality.

For that alone he gets my vote.

And every Islamic terror attack between now and the election will drive more votes to him.

Politicians who have allowed PC BS to blind them to Islamic reality can whine all they want.
- roberto fantechi
  
  Armageddon ensured as Isis would be more than happy to have Trump march onward to it with them.
Mike

Whoa, I thought American conservatives were angry.
- Faff
  
  We can do you a nice line in Conservatives ranging from ‘frothy’ to ‘dementedly-berserk’. Tweed trimmings optional.
Innit Bruv

I would rather see the “bien-pensants” of this world setting the agenda than oiks like Rod Liddle, John Gaunt, Richard Littlejohn and Kelvin McKenzie.
- davidofkent
  
  I can’t think why. They won’t include oiks like you in their plans.
  - Innit Bruv
    
    I can assure you I am anything but an oik.
    - johnhenry
      
      Says you. Would you prefer “stump-toothed hick”?
      - I killed Madeleine Mccann
        
        Wow – johnhenry is some kind of poet.
    - St Louis
      
      Are you Thornberry in disguise? How perfectly marvellous. Arrogance incarnate.
Tim

Brilliant as usual Rod. Sometimes it’s enough to know who is against someone or something to make your mind up on who to support. And those that hate Trump, well, they’re pretty much wrong on everything so therefore it’s as good a reason to support him as any. And also, frankly, establishment politicians are so crap anyway, So hey! let’s roll the dice…

BTW – halfway through your monkeys book. Good read!
James

I like the fact America still has a democracy and people are entitled to have opinions and free speech.
- ArnoldLayne
  
  You need a First Amendment! But still there are the PC Police, ever-maddening. Trump tells them to shove it!
Suffolk boy

Welcome back Rod.
Who has been writing your column for the last two weeks?
- Landphil
  
  Owen Jones for his homework project?
Fenbeagle

Wouldn’t it be wonderful.
Sean Fielding

Wonderful article. It makes me want to look up the email addresses of the libkuntz I grew up with, spoiled offspring of Guardian writers and Neil Young fans that they were, send them this link and call them nasty names. But let them stew in the Trumpening broth for the next five years instead.
Bilderberg Chairman

I would give my right nut to see President Trump – if the “establishment” (aka the pseudo-liberal, morality stazi and their shadow billionaire machiavellian funders) hate Trump THIS much then I’m all for him. That’s ALL I need to know. I just want to see ACTUAL change other than the continual degradation of our rights, freedoms and sovereignty and the endless smokescreen sideshows of the “transexual” and Black Lives Matter “Twitter revolutions” splashed all over the ghetto press serving solely as a weapon of mass distraction from the incessant march of global government.
- Adam Levinson
  
  Very well said.
- Greg Tingey
  
  Enjoy it until the mushroom clouds appear
- PaulUK2901
  
  There’s a lot of very stupid people around, so maybe you’ll get your wish. However, you wouldn’t enjoy it for long.
Jeremy Poynton

“Almost his entire mid-1980s output would enrage liberals — and that’s before we consider the, uh, counterintuitive feminist statement ‘A Man Needs a Maid’.”

Welfare mothers make better lovers, tho’…
crazydave789

trump could do with a peace prize to balance the books for tragedy that was giving it to obama for just being black (well half black but it’s a start) trump being a non political outsider would be refreshing. similar bernie could get one for being the first american socialist to get elected without outright lying to the people.

at least a president trump would be blatant about what he is doing rather than lying or placing blame elsewhere like the US usually does.
gelert

Young, like DiCaprio, swans around in his private jet and lectures the rest of us on our CO2 footprint.
Greg Tingey

Trump as POTUS would mean WWII
NOT such a good idea.
Actually this semi-fascist moron is not welcome – ask the Scots ….

Very funny article, yes, but as practical politics, no
- Michael North
  
  Trump’s a bit late for WWll.
  - Greg Tingey
    
    Not really – he’d make a wonderful substitute for Mussolini
    
    ( And yes, it was a typo, I meant WWIII, of course, but hey … )
- orsonhinds
  
  You are exactly the kind of hysterical, wet, middle of the road ape I suspect Liddle (and I) would like to observe running around ramming his bananas up various orifices in self-abasing mysery after a Trump win. It is not meant to be entirely funny.
  - Greg Tingey
    
    So you want this ridiculous Mussolini-clone to become POTUS do you?
    
    I have no time for Alex Salmond or the Snot’s Nats ( was that a typo?) but they really gave Trump the treatment he deserved after his arrogance & bullying in NE Scotland became general knowledge.
    Trump is a very rich bully
    Do you really want a bully, used to getting his own way through financial thuggery in that office?
    - Ipsedixit
      
      The US constitution provides checks and balances. I think that Trump moderated by the senate and Supreme Court could be a success. If nothing else it could result in the death of political correctness behind which true evil operates with impunity.
  - PaulUK2901
    
    Sounds like you and Liddle are a match made in heaven.
- terry sulivan
  
  fool–eu=ww111 not 11–we have already had that
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Sweet, the GD Orwellian PC , corporate loving so called liberals ( aren’t really liberal but corporate status quo supporting shills ) will go into hysterics. Just read some jerk in the NewYorker advocating Citizens United as a way of taking down Trump. If white trash is the term they throw around, then it really applies to them more than the hapless white who is low on the totem pole.
TimonSays

Although Trump is by no means perfect, given the maxim ‘my enemy’s enemy is my friend’, I am enjoying his success no end. The left are such vile scum that anything that upsets them is fine in my book.
- PaulUK2901
  
  Trump is well suited to the right wing belief system He is self centred, smug, greedy, manipulative, obnoxious, unethical, immoral and would sell his own mother to garner a little more air time. Trump is the American Cameron.
  - terry sulivan
    
    cameron is not right wing
    - Ipsedixit
      
      Mind boggling isn’t it to hear from someone who thinks Cameron is a rightist?
      - PaulUK2901
        
        I didn’t say Cameron was ultra right wing, certainly not as “mad as a box of frogs” RW like Trump or Cruz. However, compared to Corbyn or Bernie Sanders he certainly is right wing. His policies of crushing people on benefits, giving tax breaks to the rich and selling off the NHS certainly qualify him as a right winger.
      - Ipsedixit
        
        With respect, the kind of things you accuse him of are routinely done by the ruling classes in socialist countries. They are nothing to do with being right wing.
      - PaulUK2901
        
        Saying other people do bad things in other places as well doesn’t really work. So what? Cameron, Osbourne, IDS and Hunt are decimating the NHS, the Welfare State and the economy. It has everything to do with right wing policies.
      - Jagged
        
        Delusion. We will get to the end of Camerons tenure and the NHS will still be here, free at the point of access and probably in better health than it was when he started.
        
        Heck, you might even be able to find a doctor at the weekend.
      - PaulUK2901
        
        Have you ever not been able to find a Doctor at the weekend? If you go into A & E any day of the week you will have to wait, but you get treated. The “weekend problem” is just Conservative spin. There is no weekend problem.
        
        The “Tory” NHS agenda is to enact TTIP and then the big sell off can begin in earnest. Go into any hospital and randomly ask anybody whether they believe the Tory Government is protecting the NHS? In fact film it on your phone and post it.
        
        Lol!
      - Jagged
        
        Unfortunately the lack of “doctor at the weekend” is from personal experience and not spin. My mother suffered a heart Arrhythmia. Fortunately for her, this happened on a Sunday as she had to wait till Monday for the heart specialist.
        
        With regard to the so-called Tory sell off. Tell you what, lets come back here at the end of the parliament and see whether or not the NHS has been sold off. Guarantee that will not have happened. That particular piece of Labour spin has been sold to the public since the 70s. Still a load of crap.
      - PaulUK2901
        
        So your mother had a non-emergency episode (Because if it was an emergency a consultant would have been called in.), stayed in hospital overnight and was seen the next morning. Sounds horrifying.
        
        With regard to the real Tory sell off, it has been happening since the Tories got in. Wake up. Next time your mother is ill she might not be eleigible for treatment and will have to pay for it herself.
        
        http://www.theguardian.com/healthcare-network/2015/oct/02/nhs-one-way-road-privatisation
      - Jagged
        
        They did “try” and call the specialist and the event was such a “non-emergency” she had a pacemaker installed.
        
        Give up on the NHS scare tactics. According to Labour the tories have been planning to sell off the NHS since I was a kid. Yet they committed and extra£6bn last Nov for 16/17 as part of their extra £10bn over the parliament. A number Labour had to scramble to match. Go to google, articles the one you linked have been written every year of the internet, probably every month. Still hasn’t happened.
        
        I will happily promise to vote Labour on Thursday 7 May 2020 if they privatise the NHS. Not going to happen though. Fancy promising to vote tory when its still free-at-point of access on that date?
      - PaulUK2901
        
        So your mother was saved by the Publicly funded NHS and you want to privatise it? Strange logic.
        
        The NHS is cheaper than any other comparable first world health system and yet the Tories are starving of even more money. It is critically underfunded. The reason NHS privatisation has been kept at bay for years is because people fight tooth and nail to keep it.
        
        I wouldn’t ever vote Tory. I have too much self respect.
      - Jagged
        
        You are so bought into this labour story you think I want the NHS privatised, even when I said I would vote Labour if that happened! Is that funny or sad? Not sure.
        
        I don’t want the NHS privatised and neither does the tory party and much as it might be underfunded, they promised more money for the NHS at the election than the Labour party.
        
        So you won’t take my bet? Didn’t think so.
      - PaulUK2901
        
        You wait until the Tories had privatised the NHS, then you’d vote for Labour? How does that make any sense?
        
        Like I said before. I wouldn’t ever vote Tory. I have too much self respect.
      - Nicetime
        
        Given the evasion, disingenuousness and sheer illogicality of your arguments, I’d say your self respect is unwarranted
      - PaulUK2901
        
        What does “ruling classes” mean? Cameron is a politician who will be gone and forgotten very shortly. Also the things Cameron does are not done by Socialist Governments. No wonder you are called Ipse dixit. Claiming something is valid because you say so doesn’t work.
Dean Corll

Do the Zionists want him to win? They seem split. I’m sure Gellar et al want him to put Muslims in camps but he might not be open to more wars for Israel.
- somebodystolemynamefatboy
  
  He shows little Likud inclination.
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