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If you really want to help refugees, look beyond the Mediterranean

8 August 2015

9:00 AM

8 August 2015

9:00 AM

For all its difficulties, Europe is prosperous and safe: one of the best places on Earth. Many other societies have yet to achieve this happy state: some are murderous and poor. Two of the most troubled zones in the world are near Europe: the Middle East, and the Sahelian belt which spans northern Africa.

Unsurprisingly, many of the people who live in these societies would rather live in Europe. Impeded by immigration controls, a small minority of this group are taking matters into their own hands, trying to enter Europe illegally by boat across the Mediterranean. Some succeed, like those now camped in Calais, trying to smuggle their way on to trains and trucks bound for Britain. Others board boats that sink, leaving them floundering in the Med. Sporadically, official Europe rescues these people in a fit of conscience. As with the euro itself, high principle has collided with low politics and the result is avoidable suffering.

Unlike the euro, it would not be difficult to put right. If you step outside the usual angry ding-dong, the posturing of those both pro-immigrant and anti-immigrant; if you resist the easy option taken by the chattering classes who claim the moral high ground by insisting on open borders, you can see that European policy is the result of moral confusion.

Let’s take the ‘duty of rescue’, which is official Europe’s rationale for fishing people out of the sea. People have a right to dream of a life in Europe, but Europe has a moral obligation to rescue, not to make dreams come true.

What does rescue imply and to whom does it apply? Just being poor does not make someone eligible for being ‘rescued’ by a life in Europe. Mass poverty has to be tackled, but the only way it can be done is for poor countries to catch up with the rich ones. There are ways in which we can help that process, but encouraging the mass emigration of their most enterprising young people is not one of them. What makes people truly entitled to rescue is if their ordinary lives are made impossible by violent conflict — and in the current crisis, that means focusing on Syria. Yes, there are other legitimate refugees on those boats, but Syrians alone account for around 40 per cent of the boat people crossing the Mediterranean.

And those Syrians waving and drowning in the sea are merely the tip of a vastly larger iceberg of need. Of Syria’s 20 million people, around half are now displaced. This ten million are the submerged iceberg: the group to whom we have some duty of rescue. They are displaced through circumstance rather than choice. The tiny minority (about 2 per cent) in the sea and camped on our doorstep are part of our duty of rescue, but they should not be allowed to crowd out the needs of others: for one thing, they tend to be richer and more resourceful.

Of the ten million who are displaced, around half are still in Syria, trapped now that Jordan and Lebanon have closed their borders. It is obviously more difficult for Europe to help the internally displaced within Syria, but there are still ways of doing so. These five million should not be forgotten just because they have not created a problem for other nations.


The other five million are in neighbouring countries: mostly in Jordan, Lebanon and Turkey. How can Europe help these people? The official international solution to refugee situations is camps, a strategy dating back to 1947. This system is not working and, indeed, it cannot possibly work. Just look at Jordan. Nearly 90 per cent of the refugees in Jordan have chosen not to live in the camps but have instead drifted to the cities. They forgo handouts in favour of scratching a living in illegal employment.

So what is wrong with the camps? Having recently visited the largest, Za’atari, I doubt whether it is the standard of living. The UNHCR does a commendable job: people are well-fed and their housing conditions are far superior to the African cities with which I am more familiar. Whatever our duty of rescue to Syrian refugees, improving the material conditions of the camps is not a priority. The problem of the camps is that people have no autonomy: most especially, they are not allowed to work.

In a jobless Arab household in the camps, it is hard for parents to retain authority. Teenage girls are lured into prostitution, teenage boys drift back to Syria and to armed gangs. The lack of autonomy extends beyond work: although there are around 200 Syrian teachers living as refugees in camps, they live in enforced idleness. Refugee children are taught by Jordanian teachers to the Jordanian curriculum. It’s not surprising that refugees overwhelmingly prefer penurious freedom to the restrictions of the camps.

Why is autonomy in the cities penurious? Because the Jordanian authorities do not let refugees work. Given the scale of the influx, the Jordanians are unsurprisingly worried that letting the Syrians work could destabilise their society and, given the disorder elsewhere in the Middle East, this cannot be lightly dismissed. Jordanian security depends upon a complex and delicate system of political inclusion which links the monarchy organically and historically to each part of society. Syrians cannot readily be inserted into this system, which means a section of future Jordanian society will be disconnected and thereby disaffected.

If the Jordanian authorities will not integrate refugees into their society, what can Europe do for them? Should we invite them to Europe? This has been the defining issue so far in European discussion of the Syrian refugee crisis: ‘How many refugees should Europe take?’ It’s all about us. Unfortunately, while well meaning, this approach is fundamentally irresponsible when judged from the perspective not of the consequences for Europe, but the consequences for Syrians.

Our duty is to provide better futures for as many of the displaced as possible — and their overwhelming hope is not to live permanently in Europe, but to return to a post-conflict Syria. Effective rescue should be about salvaging as much of their disrupted lives as possible. Of course, if they are in the sea, rescue involves pulling them out of it. But any action needs to be set within a larger strategy of making people’s return viable.

The key fact to grasp about the Syrian conflict is that it will end; conflicts in middle–income countries seldom last more than a decade and this one has already been running for four years. There is an obvious endgame, in which the Syrian army dumps Assad as a liability and leads a broad anti-Isis alliance. Once parts of Syria return to peace, they will face a fairly standard challenge of post-conflict recovery. Post-conflict situations are politically fragile, and rapid economic recovery helps to stabilise them. The smart way to meet the duty to rescue is to incubate that economic recovery now, before the conflict ends.

Europe can do that by fostering a Syria–in-exile economy located in Jordan and other neighbouring countries. Working in this economy would restore some dignity to the daily lives of refugees and offer them credible hope of a return to normality. Providing a skilled minority of Syrians with dream lives in Europe is not the answer: it would be detrimental to recovery because once settled in Europe, with their children in schooling, such people would be unlikely to go back to a post-conflict society. In consequence, it would gut Syria of the very people it will most need. It is an intellectually lazy feel-good policy for the bien‑pensant.

Just minutes from the Za’atari camp is an empty industrial zone, fully equipped with infrastructure. This could be a perfect haven of employment, the means by which Europe could incubate Syrian post-conflict recovery. This zone alone is large enough to employ the labour force of Za’atari several times over. The people working there would recover their autonomy, and have a prospect of relocating to Syria when the war is over. The zone could house Syrian businesses that cannot continue to function at home, as well as a cluster of global companies producing for the European market. It could employ both Syrians and Jordanians. Europe could provide the incentives which make this happen. Each job created could attract a subsidy financed out of the money Europe quite rightly earmarks for assistance to fragile states, and their work could be given open access to European markets.

Once peace returns, these businesses could relocate with their returning Syrian workforce, while also continuing to operate in Jordan with their Jordanian workforce. The Jordanian authorities would be supportive because it offers a credible alternative to the permanent settlement which they fear, and would attract global firms to Jordan. The approach could be replicated with Syria’s other neighbours.

Job havens would not only assist refugees; indirectly they would help the five million displaced who remain in Syria. In return for European assistance, the neighbouring governments could be asked to re-open their borders. Accessible and attractive safe havens across the border would be a lifeline for these internally displaced people. As firms and workers relocated to the havens, it would put further financial pressure on Assad.

Victorian ladies would sometimes deliberately leave valuables conspicuously ‘mislaid’ in the hopes that their servants would succumb to stealing them, affording their mistresses delectable opportunities for moral grandstanding. We now recognise this as a breach of a basic moral duty of the fortunate towards the less fortunate: ‘Thou shall not tempt.’ Currently, if a refugee can get a foot on a European beach, or be fished out of the sea by a European rescue vessel, they get privileged access to asylum. That is why they take the risk.

This legal structure is not just foolish, it is deeply immoral. Europe has a duty to fish refugees out of the sea because it is morally responsible for tempting them on to the sea. So whatever else Europe does, it must stop this policy of temptation. Paying a crook thousands of dollars for a place on a boat should not entitle a Syrian refugee to a more privileged entry to Europe. It is profoundly unfair to the other suffering refugees.

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  • Rik

    Really,how about an old fashioned concept,the first duty of a state is to its own citizens??Now i really really do understand this post colonial guilt thingy about Africa,how we made the poor dears suffer,as we departed we left them a free press,an independent judiciary,uncorrupt civil administration and democratic elections,who could not shed a tear at their struggle to create the tyrannical,despotic,wartorn kleptocracies they desired within a single generation.
    Finally,like many i am amazed and proud of the floods of asylum seekers rushing to return to the pestholes they fled to build a better future for their fellow countrymen(NOT)

    • Caractacus

      When the Romans left Britain, they did so virtually overnight. Britain (or at least England) collapsed into the Dark Ages, a technology free period of constant war, infighting and invasion. Just ten years into this, the tribal kings of Britain clubbed together and sent an envoy to the then Emperor of Rome, literally begging Rome to return to Britain and take control, bringing order, protection, food and technology.

      The Emperor’s reply was probably quite eloquent, certainly in latin, but essentially boiled down to something rhyming with duck and ending in off.

      Britain rebuilt, slowly, but one day emerged as the largest, strongest and greatest Empire since that of the Romans.

      Now we have left our own colonies, as Rome once left us, and we left them in a damned better state than the Dark Ages. But the lesson is the same, if these countries never learn to operate by themselves, they will never be capable of ruling themselves. Learning to rule your own country is a long, difficult, arduous and bloody process. it took Britain near a thousand years to become a world power in its own right and it took the combined bloodlines and capabilities of the Angles, the Normans, the Welsh, the Scots, the Irish and others to achieve it. If any other country thinks that it has a shortcut to that, whether by demanding things of their old masters, or by tolerating people traffickers sending their brightest and best around the world, well then good luck to them, but, frankly, they are just fooling themselves.

      • Leon Wolfeson

        So of course, you argue they should be left to it, and certainly not traded with on terms favourable to us because we’re more developed, right?

        • Caractacus

          Where in my post did I mention trade? So of course you made a casual assumption.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Actually, I was making a point.

            So, you’re all for looting those countries. Good capitalism.
            And then blaming the people for your looting. Sad.

          • Caractacus

            Again. Where did I say that? Again, you’ve made an assumption.

            Empires happened. Get used to it. There’s not a living person responsible for them. (Except for Vladimir Putin).

          • BananaHammok9

            He doesn’t even read our posts, he just keeps repeating how he’s a Jew. Typical Muslim cretin.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            “Typical Muslim cretin.”

            Well, thanks for signing your post. Your identity is noted. As is your ongoing problem with me for being Jewish.

          • BananaHammok9

            So you keep insisting, Muslim.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Your Grammar isn’t very good. You should have put a full stop, not a comma between “insisting” and “Muslim” there, as it’s your faith, not mine.

            I’m Jewish, which you have a problem with, clearly.

          • blandings

            “I’m Jewish”
            No you’re not

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Keep screaming hate at me for being a Jew.

          • blandings

            You’re not jewish though are you?
            You’re a fake – can spot you at a thousand paces.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Yes yes, you’ll snipe Jews through a scope or whatever.
            As you keep screaming anti-Semitic hate.

          • blandings

            OK phoney, give me an example of my “anti-semitic hate”.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            So, you try and talk to someone else, then demand THEY copy/paste for you…

          • blandings

            ??
            Where is the anti-semitic hate that you accused me of?

          • Leon Wolfeson

            “Where are my posts ?”

            Oh dear.

          • blandings

            “Where are my posts ?”
            You tell me little Abdul

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Do you talk to yourself a lot?

          • blandings

            No, Im talking to you: A sad little muslim pretenting to be a jew.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            So, you’re screaming anti-Semitism, displaying your arrant bigotry in your hard right hate preaching…

          • cassius969

            Who talked about Jews? Quit trying to make any conversation about the jews. I Like Manchester I like Chelsea, I am Jewish, wtf!

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Your lying at this point is amusing but sad.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Ah, so you refuse to look at anything outside what you consider acceptable. Never mind the effects,

            Thanks, Mr. Putin.

          • Sue Smith

            Stop making things up!! Take your pills; those will make you feel better.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Ah, trying to kill me – what a surprise.
            For your Putinite masters, or whatever other cause you think you have today.

          • Sue Smith

            Why do you continue to make things up? Go away and play.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Oh no, a Jew’s posting, you need to try and silence him!

          • harry hart

            Yeah, looting’s good, just a bit of re-distribution for all classes.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            …Taking from the poor to give to the richest.

          • KittyR

            This just sounds like determined ignorance, Leon Wolfeson. Perhaps read Paul Collier’s ‘Exodus’ for a little more background to the issue.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Yes, you’re indeed an ignorant looter, Capitalist.

          • KittyR

            I’m not offended by the notion of capitalism, Leon. It’s done more to lift people out of poverty than any other economic system. And I’m no looter – I worked in relief and development for over ten years until recently because I do actually care about these things.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Ah yes, you think that Capitalism has helped people – oh no, not the free market it leeches off, but the “help” of Capitalism – cronyism, insider trading, corruption, regulatory capture, bribery, etc.

            Looter, I’m sure you’ve sabotaged plenty of work to help people.

          • KittyR

            Ahh, I wouldn’t have bothered engaging if I’d realised you were a troll. Stop wasting space that people who want a real debate could use.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            So, you didn’t engage, and you want to censor me. As you want to agree with others, and as you oppose the free market.

        • cassius969

          We can take in only so much. What about the rest we can not take in?

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Ah, the old myths. This is why your personal claims are so unbelievable of course.

      • ajcb

        I had the same thoughts exactly when posted to Nigeria in 1989: I was minded first of a visit to a “Roman villa” in the UK years before, then of my shock at how little remained of it, then of the fact that after Rome’s departure the Brits needed another 1500 years (literally) to once again enjoy indoor plumbing. It may well boil down to this: “Development” is an intransitive verb, not a transitive one. You can develop, but you cannot develop someone else.

        (Not obvious how this fits in with Collier’s proposition that we can help the countries whence so many are fleeing.)

      • Brezals

        yeah, we the west has shown the world what needs to be done to prosper, now it is their turn to look at us, and do the things needing to be done. For west that was a bloody religious war in europe that ended with the seperatation of the church and state, and ever since then, west has begun to prosper.

        Now what does most of these counrtries that has it bad in common? Well most of them still has not seperated their religion from the state.

        Also Zimbabwe kicked out all the whites from their farms, now they want them back, for economic reasons.
        It just proves that the west despite all the colonialism is just very good at making a country prosper.

        Same thing with south africa, ever since they kicked of the whites as the ruling class there, that country has destabalised a lot. crimes has gone up, and the economy is shattering.

      • Bill

        What a weird perception of history. You advocate successive invasions (Viking, Saxons, Normans and regular genocide (Scots, Irish etc) along with invasions (Americas, Africa and ASia) and colonization as a recipe for achieving the good life. Your parents and teachers must be so proud.

        • Caractacus

          Wow. One would think, so long after this thread died and I had answered plenty of questions on it, that you could perhaps have read what I said and not made stupidly pathetic assumptions, especially when I have already rebutted the same stupidly pathetic assumptions.

          Once again. I have not advocated anything. I have simply pointed out that there is no shortcut to civilisation. If you have evidence to the contrary, please share it, instead of throwing insults around deployed from your own lack of ability to read or understand.

      • DP111

        You are right. One sees China doing the same.

      • KittyR

        I completely agree, Caractacus. It annoys me when the liberal elite here in Britain assume that everyone shares in their post-colonial guilt, ignoring the fact that the freedom and relative wealth we enjoy in western Europe is wrought with the blood, sweat and tears of nigh on two thousand years of development. As the great-granddaughter of Welsh coal miners and subsistence farmers I’d like to point out that the majority of British people until the mid 20th Century were part of the underclass exploited by the wealthy here, and don’t feel this sense of guilt our elite feel (who are the ones wringing their hands the most vociferously about the injustice of a more cautious approach to immigration). While most of our ancestors were down mines or up chimneys from childhood on, an elite profited here until the working class formed a cogent and cohesive force to make a stand, and it’s the same the world over. Draining poorer countries of their young, strong, bold and bright will only exacerbate the problem and delay the groundswell of feeling only ordinary, poor, working people can muster. Short-circuit, liberal wet talk on this is mere mawkish sentimentality.

    • Bill

      You sad creature. I hope you get better soon.

  • Sue Smith

    Isn’t it about time Europe provided a permanent taxi service to African ports to pick up these people, free of charge, and bring them to Europe? Let’s not waste words; they’ll provide vast amounts of cheap labour, be good for business which has been trying to deal with first world wages and conditions (no more off-shore for business – those same workers will be coming to your countries!) and they’ll be willing to work much longer hours than they’re spoilt counterparts in Europe!! Stand aside for the new realities for business; cheap and cost-effective economies of scale are just what ailing business needs. You know it makes sense!!

    Don’t try and turn back the clock to the old notions of “charity begins at home”. That can be turned on its ear; ‘charity for business begins at home’. I’m a shareholder and it will mean increased profits for business because of the reduced bottom line!! This is particularly so in labor-intensive, low-skilled industries which currently are heading offshore to countries like Mozambique. Let their people come to Europe. Problem solved. Cheap dock workers, factory workers, plant workers – the list is long. No need to bother with those pesky trades unions anymore!! And the new arrivals have an important quality: incentive!!!

    The unemployment that results in Europe will be good for Europeans – they can go and get an education and live on, well, God knows what. Too bad; should have thought of that long ago.

    • BananaHammok9

      If all of what you wrote, were true, then the countries where these enriching, hard working ‘migrants’ are coming from, would look a tad different, don’t you think?

      I believe that when it comes to muslim ‘migrants’ in particular, the true figures (opposed to your insane fantasies) look more like this:
      80% of muslim females, and 50% of muslim males live on benefits in Britain, and we the ‘lazy’ and ‘useless’ Brits, pay for them.

      You should send them all to Greece, the ultimate experiment in enrichment.
      I would not keep my hopes up though.

      • Sue Smith

        It’s meant to be ironic!! And satirical. Sorry if you didn’t get the gag.

        • BananaHammok9

          They are clearly much better humans than we are, leaving their weak and vulnerable behind, in those terrible whitey-caused war zones.

          • Zululi

            Ha..now who’s being sarcastic?

          • BananaHammok9

            It’s contagious.

        • Leon Wolfeson

          You WILL force them to work for less, quite.

          As you quite seriously espouse lower wages, no rights, etc. regardless of immigration, that’s just an excuse.

          As you personally examined all the footage…and missed most of the people on there. Here’s a clue – older people and babies tend to die on the sort of trek they make.

          And of course you’re *deadly* serious about your propaganda, and rejection of any type of humanitarian values.

          • patrickirish

            Frankly Mr Wolfeson you don’t make any sense. Wouldn’t it be easier for you to just go around wearing a placard around your neck, or a hair shirt – how about a “Free Palestine” T-shirt?

          • Leon Wolfeson

            You are an fool who had clearly not read my posts. I am Jewish, and fully support the state of Israel. Not the Israeli government, but the state of Israel.

          • patrickirish

            Mr Wolfeson you are overtly Jewish, but no taste for irony perhaps! But Mr Wolfeson can one be white AND Jewish? Go to Malmo Mr Wolfeson and then see who is the fool. It is not me Mr Wolfeson, and I am surprised you have descended to abuse so quickly. Having a bad day are we?

          • Leon Wolfeson

            I have no intention of going somewhere lead by a person who has a problem with Jews, as you’re trying to be clever and “trick” me into doing or something, of course. And why should I believe you – no, it seems likely you’re in Malmo.

            Some Jews are white, some are not. Still Jews, just the same. Not better, not worse – Jews.

          • BananaHammok9

            No Jew I have ever met, sounded this muslim.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            As Muslim as you? Well, unsurprising isn’t it.

          • BananaHammok9

            You are a liar, engaging in taqiyya.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Ah, the hard right view, accusing me of nonsense because you can’t stand a Jew standing up to you.

          • BananaHammok9

            Again, you mention you are a Jew.
            I have never met a Jew, insisting this much, this autistically.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            You’ve never met a Jew, yea. Right.

          • BananaHammok9

            You must have missed my post about my wife and children being Jewish. Unlike your repetitive, weirdly insisting and autistic ramblings, it’s actually the truth.

          • BananaHammok9

            ‘not the Israeli government, but the state of Israel’

            LOL, exactly how inbred are you?

          • BananaHammok9

            WTF is ‘Palestine’?

    • patrickirish

      Irony alert – I hope!

      • Leon Wolfeson

        No, quite serious. This is a good sample of right wing thinking – blame the Other, lower wages, no workers rights, tell the poor her God will look after them if they starve…seen it many times

        Immigration is an excuse, there could be many or none, Shay Smash would have the same goals – fatter pay cheques for her rich, and we can see it being tried right now. Oh, and more “charity” – that is, more corporate welfare for her leeches.

        It’s typical rich-kid’s downward race stuff, using an excuse in the Other.

        • patrickirish

          Well, Mr Wolfeson, you would mention the other, wouldn’t you?

          • Leon Wolfeson

            There’s a capital O there. And sure, I’m White (Other), Jewish.

          • BananaHammok9

            Islamophiles (or Muslims!) with Jewish sounding names, claiming they are White.

            What else is new?

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Thanks for talking about yourself.

          • BananaHammok9

            BananaHammok9 is a Jewish sounding name, Abdul?

    • Patricia

      You forget the old adage “they are doing jobs we don’t want to do”.

      • Sue Smith

        Okey dokey.

      • logdon

        No they’re not. They’re doing jobs for less than minimum wages and as a consequence, pricing the indigenous people out.

        This is Union business to a T but they care not because the cultural maxist edict of anti-nationalism now comes before white worker rights.

        • Leon Wolfeson

          So. Your argument is for enforcing minimum wage laws, right.

          And then you chase invisible Marxists around, then claim special rights for your skin colour as you hate Britain or something.

          • logdon

            You completely miss the point.

            I was pointing out the shallow hypocrisy of the unions.

            And as far as I am aware being white doesn’t attract ‘special rights’ these days.

            As for ‘hating Britain’ you mistake me for someone else.

            Dear me. Not very good are you? Try harder.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Yes yes, workers talking is “shallow hypocrisy”.

            And okay, fine, I was too nice. You *abjectly* hate Britain. Happier, Mr. Dear?

          • logdon

            You are a moron with zero comprehension.

            By the way if you don’t understand English idiom, you seem to be the ‘confused’ one here.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Oh right, I read your posts and responded to them. Cry harder – I got what you said just fine, and you dish it out but can’t take it.

            PS, nice anti-disabled bigotry blatantly used there, too! Do you get double bigotry scores in your discrimination scrabble?

          • BananaHammok9

            ‘anti-disabled bigotry’

            You’re clearly retarded.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            So you double down. Unsurprising.

          • logdon

            You attempt intellegence but somehow it’s not working.

            Just a string of cliches and gobbledygook.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            So you’re not even aware what intelligence is…as you yell at me.
            All because I replied to your post.

          • logdon

            Poor you.

            And that’s it. You are boring.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Yes, the truth is so so boring. Sucks, eh? I still read and replied to your post, and you’re still moaning about it.

  • Marcus

    This is not dissimilar to what Farage said.
    I think most people in Britain are for temporary housing of our share of Syrians divided up amongst other NATO, UN and or EU countries.
    Problem is the other countires are not interested and UK lawyers will ensure it’s permanent. So the Syrians continue to suffer.

  • BananaHammok9

    What about the ones who don’t care, such as myself?
    Muslims have displaced tens of millions of Muslims (and Christians and other minorities), over 3 continents, they denigrate the West, blame us for everything, and then expect us to help them? What happened to looking after your own, and if Islam does not care about their own, why on earth should we?

    • johnb1945

      That’s great, but people who are determined enough will find a way to come here, somehow, so you can’t isolate yourself in that way.

      • BananaHammok9

        What you are talking about is called an invasion. What usually follows, is war. Pacifake.

        • johnb1945

          What’s your point though? That we should treat the bedraggled emergents from the chunnel like invading soldiers and kill them? Are you Katy Hopkins’ twin?

          • BananaHammok9

            You’d think people who were escaping harrowing wars, would leave the boats to women, children, and the elderly. How many of those are seen in pictures? You’re a pacifake: you want our country to be ethnically cleansed of British people, under a thin veil of altruism. What you actually are is a reversed racist, and violent warmonger. Ironic, right? People such as yourself should be deported, together with the tens of thousands of african 25-year old, aggressive looking men, who attack lorry drivers with knives and steel rods, and demand to be let into our country, by force.

            As for Katie Hopkins: somehow, I doubt Rotherham would have happened under her watch. That alone makes her a better person, than most lefties.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Of course you want anyone who opposes your ideology deported. Along with anyone else you think fits your model for “deport now”, regardless of who they are. You’re the one here arguing for ethnic cleansing.

            PS, your enforcers hitting people in the knee with a 4-iron? Not irony.

            And it would never have been caught under your Hero, right. You’d have to have child protection services in the first place.

          • BananaHammok9

            Yes, I wish traitorous excrement such as yourself would get deported, to a wonderfully multicultural and non racist country, such as Pakistan.

            And whoever infiltrates into a sovereign countries’ territory illegally, should be punished accordingly. Rods, rubber bullets, whatever it takes. Your friends the Muslims, shoot live bullets at humans, trying o escape their displacing wars, yet apparently that is fine with you parasitic hypocrites.

            As for mentioning ‘child protection’, you pedophile defending, mass-rape-accepting, scum of the earth, can go light yourselves on fire, for all I care.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Of course, I’m Jewish and hence you’d send me to Pakistan.

            And great, go home, infiltrator. Stop trying to get people harmed for enjoyment. As you note you’re just fine with crimes except those committed by certain groups. As you hate on the concept of child protection, and froth insults.

            Your views are so far from the British mainstream…wait, no, you *are* funny. The other funny.

          • BananaHammok9

            Yes, you have mentioned at least 10 times that you’re Jewish.
            You should just tattoo it on your muslim head.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            And there you go, showing your problem with my being Jewish again. Over and over.

          • Sue Smith

            Surely there are good psychiatrists who can help you?

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Surely your accusations of mental illness…oh wait, no, you are far right, totalitarian and a social darwinist, as you take the side of the Argentine here.

          • Sue Smith

            The person is a troll who makes things up.

          • Sue Smith

            Rambling. Made up. Incoherent. Product of a disordered mind.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            And then there’s my post.

            But hey.

          • Sue Smith

            Correct. That’s the one I was referring to.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            No, the one I made. I, not you.

          • logdon

            There’s always the hysterical, overblown adjective.

            ‘Bedraggled’?

            By whose definition?

            It’s what they all do. Basically it’s called make it up as you go.

          • johnb1945

            But he said it was an invasion. I think the migrants look in a pathetic state and couldn’t invade anything. I don’t believe in letting them in here. I believe in doing things in the countries the migration is staged. As the piece says.

          • BananaHammok9

            Their Nike gear, leather jackets and thousands of pound per person, per smuggler, paints a ‘pathetic’ picture indeed.
            But not the way you think.

          • MikeH

            Really, running along those train-tracks each night must engender some improved fitness levels?

          • MikeH

            They’re ‘bedraggled’ as they’ve undertaken a “risky” journey don’t you know?

            Let’s tick the magic boxes that allow one group to live by completely different laws to the rest of us, committing crimes daily, nightly, with absolutely no fear of arrest, completely absolved and eventually rewarded with a new life in the West, only to it’s detriment.

            1. Undertaking a “risky” journey

            2. Transgressing International borders and immigration laws.

            3. A dusky complexion.

            Who ever said crime doesn’t pay?

          • logdon

            You’d have thought that the illegal in ‘illegal immigrant’ was somehow not illegal.

            That’s because they are illegal immigrants rather than just any old criminals.

            El-Beeb refers them as ‘migrants’ which tell you all you need to know.

            What a sorry state. In both senses.

          • MikeH

            No, perhaps treat them in the same way as a European would be if found stowed away on a plane or boat attempting to enter the U.S., Australia, Canada or New Zealand; An instant ban from the country and a free ride home on the next available plane. Clever as it precludes any further illegal-entry attempts.

            Are we supposedly living under one law or does it differ if one is black and /or has undertaken a “risky”, illegal journey?

            If one was to lurk around the queuing lorries at Dover, armed with a razor blade attempting to cut the curtains and enter the vehicle, should I be treated any differently from a feral illegal Calais criminal, if so why?

            It would probably involve a certain amount of “risk” you know.

          • mohdanga

            Don’t lump Canada in with a country that takes a tough line on refugees. Because of some dopey ruling 30 years ago any fake refugee that shows up here and says the magic word ‘refugee’ is allowed to stay, guaranteed a hearing, allowed to father 17 children in the interim, gets free everything and then when his claim is denied, will petition through 10 levels of court appeals to stay, all funded by the taxpayer of course. There are 60,000 ‘refugees’ who have been denied the right to stay that have disappeared into the woodwork but continue to enrich us.

        • Leon Wolfeson

          Ah, so anyone crossing a border is an invasion. You’d launch a war over tourists! Yea.

          • MikeH

            Ah, so attempting to break into a bank to steal is robbery? You’d launch a war over bank customers! Yea.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Attempting to go to the bank as a customer, in your logic.

            But of course, you’re waffling.

          • MikeH

            Armed and at night?

          • Leon Wolfeson

            You don’t get “customer”, do you?

          • MikeH

            Oh, I get customer. A person who has applied through the correct channels and been approved after security checks to determine correct status, possible past criminality, possible threats to the integrity of the institution and ongoing probable suitability.

            One assumes camping in a makeshift village outside of said bank, with no legitimate status, armed with a razor blade and attempting to rush the doors several times a day would not end well for the perpetrator.

            The bank would probably object on the grounds of an illegal entry attempt by a “non-customer”

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Ah. So, you confuse customer with the sort of checks you need before you’ll let anyone near you.

            And you assume lots of things. Of course, someone who is slightly different from you, who might once have been near someone smoking weed, someone who is not a blindly ideological capitalist and who has any kind of family…would not be suitable, so you’re using hype.

            And of course you think banks are in the business of turning perfectly normal people away on your criteria. Why, they might want an account. But no, all you see is that they shaved, ever, they might have a razor blade!

            Well, it means no peon will have your insignificance sully him.

          • MikeH

            Well I suggest you attempt visiting the bank as a non-customer, with no id, and attempt to partake in one of their services, possibly a little withdrawal?

            Or perhaps attempt to travel outside the UK with no passport or id, see how you get on and report back (if you must)

          • Sue Smith

            You’ve got it and now you have to take pills. Funny!

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Keep making up nonsense.

          • Sue Smith

            Another projection of yours! The penny has dropped; you’ve got Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Of course, you have to HAVE a personality to have a personality disorder. That’s moot.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            So you’re very confused, and yelling at me. Because.

          • BananaHammok9

            Tourists go through airports, they don’t threaten lorry drivers with knives. You’re a returd.

          • BananaHammok9

            Tourists go through airports, they don’t threaten lorry drivers with knives. You’re a retard.

          • Horny Howie

            “Anyone” passing a border is not an invasion. Millions of “anyones” is an invasion.

            A “tourist” returns to his homeland after his “vacation” is over.

            Really, you need to work on your rhetoric. It is not up to the open borders standards of The Spectator.

            The author of this article, in contrast, is creative. He considers rescuing someone from drowning as creating a moral duty to import millions of foreigners, AND making white Europeans morally responsible for any subsequent drownings.

            THAT, my friend, is truly creative rhetoric.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Ah, the excuses, the magic millions. As you ignore the actualities of your far right’s railing, as you keep calling for death and destruction.

            And which board position do you hold at The Spectator, and where’s the mandate granting you the right to set that standard…

  • wycombewanderer

    If you want to help refugees dont look for them in the maditeranean.

    There fixed that fore you.

    To be entering libyan territorial waters and bring swarrms of illegal immigrants hundreds of miles toi europe is quite literally madness.

  • Tim Gilling

    Great article. Food for thought. Be interesting to see a considered debate/rebuttal rather than the crap trotted out here. (I’d love to ask Fraser Nelson why he thinks The Spectator comments boards seem to attract so many unpleasant nutters and racists. After all, the paper isn’t like that. Half the commentators make Katie Hopkins seem rational, humane, and full of the Christian virtues.)

    • rationality

      Maybe because they can see themselves being minorities in a few years and as many of these countries persecute their minorities perhaps they’re afraid.

      To still bang on about racism with whats going on shows strong indoctrination. Maybe the Guardian is a better paper for comments for you but then again 90% of the comments are against this nonsense so maybe not.

      • Tim Gilling

        “Indoctrination” LOL. The UK is being run by minorities? Paraonoid nonsense. Mind you there was that chap Disraeli.

        • rationality

          Where did I say that we were run by minorities?

          Yes ‘indoctrination’. You know the whole anti racist propaganda we’ve been subjected to at school, universities and the media because if you have a problem with it you’re a Nazi, a bigot or a racist. I like many others can see what has happened and angry not just at this third world invasion but the political apparatus to deny debate. Please open your eyes.

          • Coastliner

            Unfortunately you cannot debate with individuals who are so totally and utterly brainwashed.

          • Tim Gilling

            Can’t argue with that.

          • Tim Gilling

            “They can see themselves being minorities” means that the current minorities have become a majority. Do try to keep up. The charge of indoctrination is one that can’t be argued. It is unverifiable either way so – in this contect – meaningless.

            “Anti racist propaganda”. Wow. Yes I admit I’m no racist. There are far too few intelligent and amusing people to start didtching some on the basis of class, creed, or colour.

            You’re fighting bogey men that are creations of your own imaginations. Admiration for multiculturalism was so last year – even in Islington.

          • Patrick_Blankfein

            I am white. I was born in Saudi Arabia. I was born with platinum blonde hair, and the other Aryan goodies. Arabs used to pick me up and marvel at me and give me sweets. Do you know why? Because they love blondes; conversely, they hate blacks. Yes…there are racists who aren’t what one would normally assume a racist to look like.

          • rationality

            Your comment doesnt make sense. Its just word salad sophistry.

            In your first paragraph I have asserted a possibility in the future which you are asserting is in the present. The indoctrination is most definitely not unverifiable. Do you really not see the propaganda?

            How is becoming a minority and fearing it ‘fighting a bogey man’? Its a scary prospect and you really have to be naive to think it will be a ok. And who is admiring multiculturalism? Its basically ethnic cleansing.

          • logdon

            Had it not been for the ‘indoctrination’, 1400 girls in Rotherham could have been saved the horrendous ordeals they suffered.

            There’s lots of indoctrinations at play there.

            One is Islamic mysoginy especially when white girls are involved.

            The other is the total mind-warp of anyone involved into believing that this was acceptable.

            If either is not indoctrination, the term is meaningless.

  • margot1

    We cannot help them – they must help themselves.
    The independent African nations focus their efforts on wars and corruption while China or Korea (whose populations were starving some 100 years ago) are investing in education and bettering themselves. There is nothing Westerners can do to fix the rotten mentality of the Africans.

  • NBeale

    Plainly the people fleeing need places to live and work. And plainly these should not be in the EU.

    The EU should pay for the construction of Cities of Refuge in countries with a Mediterranean coast, which would be 21st Century cities built largely by the refugees where they could live and work, with free trade arrangements with the EU but NOT free movement of people. The EU would guarantee a contribution to the Host Country of say €1bn per year.

    Then all illegal immigrants, drowning people and asylum seekers could be taken to these Cities of Refuge where they would be safe, educated and prosperous. And in due time they could return to their countries of origin.

    • Zululi

      And of course displace the indigenous population of those places ..are you feeling OK?

      • Coastliner

        In the same way that the British are being displaced you mean?

        • Zululi

          Precisely. No one should be displaced. How about the “displacers” be returned to their own home?

    • Leon Wolfeson

      So they’d be cheap labour, but confined to ghettos. A new form of colonialism.
      Hmm!

      Yea, I’m sure you’d love to replace British workers with cheaper labour that way.

  • anotherjoeblogs

    We have helped them and they can’t help themselves. When is it going to stop ? when grannies have to house 15 Africans in her two bedroom flat with her having to sleep on the kitchen floor ?

  • rationality

    I’m just not getting this ‘its our duty to help them’ thing. If our corrupt and evil leaders destabilised their countries then they should be the ones taking the blame, preferably tried and punished as the traitors they are. We the people have been misled and lied to, such as the reasons for killing Ghaddaffi and the arming of ISIS. It is absolutely nothing to do with us whatsoever. We are already being punished as we become colonised with these people paid with welfare from our taxes that are having a devastating effect on our economy, our children’s education, our living arrangements and our future. Its our ‘leaders’ that are tempting them, not us. We would rather a much more ‘robust; solution to this which I think is self explanatory.

    We are hurt and we are angry with the bleak future we have been given and all the platitudes about these poor brave immigrants will be seen as the greatest lie ever and the betrayal of a civilisation. Maybe they’ll be teaching that in the Brave New Third World in the future but I doubt truth and enlightenment values will be of much concern then.

  • Patricia

    “Paying a crook thousands of dollars for a place on a boat should not entitle a Syrian refugee to a more privileged entry to Europe. It is profoundly unfair to the other suffering refugees.”

    Round up the traffickers, imprison them, turn back boats sailing from Libya – word will soon get around that emigrating to EU is no dice. I don’t believe all potential immigrants are “war-torn”. The ones I saw in Calais a few months ago were strong, healthy, vigorous young men. They were well-fed and well-dressed. Someone is feeding the African continent stories about an EU El Dorado

    • Sue Smith

      The false note in your comments was “refugee”. Time and again it has been proven this are ‘illegal economic immigrants”.

      • Leon Wolfeson

        Proven by your declaring people so, right. Go back home, and stop trying to change Britain.

        • Bonkim

          Stop speaking for Britain – you unwanted asylum seeker.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            “unwanted asylum seeker.”

            Yea, you can’t get over the fact I’m a British Jew can you…
            As you speak for your country, Myanmar.

          • BananaHammok9

            You have said so 20 times already, nobody believes you.

          • Sue Smith

            He/she has an ontological and psychological problem. What a cocktail. LOL

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Keep inventing things to attack me with, anti-Semite.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            And you’re nobody, and you hence agree with me. Right.
            Thanks!

            Look, Myanmarian, stop interfering here.

      • Patricia

        “The false note in your comments was “refugee”. ”
        Not my comments, I was quoting from the article. I don’t believe they are refugees.

  • Patricia

    You forget the old adage “they are doing jobs we don’t want to do” !

    • Sue Smith

      Got it!!

  • sidor

    The general problems of refugees can be easily solved by the following two technical arrangements:

    1. At each continent, a safe zone for the refugees’ accommodation should be organised under UN protection.

    2. Any one claiming the refugee status should be transported to the home continent.

  • Bonkim

    The Author fails to comment that the earth is grossly overpopulated and those in failed and failing societies appear to be breeding recklessly.

    It is not Britain’s responsibility to save all the poor and reckless of the world – these people have to learn how to re-organize their society for long term survival – not just escape to Europe. Europe will not be Europe if all the poor and culturally backward people of the world were allowed in – particularly the Islamic variety.

    How about getting Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states to take in their homeless brethren.

    Stop fretting, stop reporting on failed and failing societies – not our business.

    • Leon Wolfeson

      Block out the world outside the borders of the One True Nation blah blah.

      You don’t like most British people, right, as you try and end our society. You’re already here, Mr. Backwards. As you panic over Muslims.

      Why don’t you time travel back to 1300 to find your brethren?

      • Sue Smith

        You need to use a different tac to counter the arguments from the loony left about why the developed world should NOT take all the economic migrants from the undeveloped.

        Time has proven you cannot argue with them; they are blinkered and propagandized by the Thought Police. Use a totally different approach and argue with them on their own turf, as I have when I suggested we should, indeed, taken them all and bring back businesses (particularly in manufacturing) which were outsourced to the third world because of cheap labour there. We can now return those businesses to our home countries because the cheap labour is coming here. This will improve the bottom line of companies hugely – ergo, improved returns for shareholder – and the companies concerned will resume paying the correct amount of taxation in the home country. Those who wanted the immigrants will show their altruism by giving up their own jobs in return for the newly minted third world labour available in places like Europe. No need for unions, because there are none where these people come from.

        Don’t think it will happen? Do think again; please. You know it makes sense.

        • Leon Wolfeson

          Keep being afraid of the loooooons like Me. You talk about yourself, eyes swivveling, as you cower…

          As you argue for lowering wages, as you do, as you call zero tax correct…as you try and remove the jobs of those who don’t like you, as you ban workers talking to each other…

          It makes sense to you to sabotage British workers for your short-term profits, I know. As you ignore actual immigration patterns.

          • Sue Smith

            You’re part of the problem and will soon be swept away by a legion of self-interested new arrivals who’ll want your share of the national cake and won’t look back on you for a second as they take it.

            Just bring back those companies which out-sourced to Africa and other third world places like that and watch the profits rocket for shareholders.

            And if you were a real humanitarian, instead of an armchair pontificator, you’d advocate for a reduction to the minimum wage so that the new immigrants who are willing to work for less can get a share of the action. Anything less is hypocrisy.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Yes yes, of course you keep preaching against the facts about wages and immigration, as you plain want me “swept away”. You have the cake, and are not sharing, of course.

            As you keep talking about suppressing working conditions, which you want anyway. And of course you claim that it’s “humanitarian” to work for lower and lower wages, as you do. To ensure everyone outside your rich bubble is equally poorly off.

            Immigration is an excuse, your right are trying to go there anyway.
            You get to socialise risks and get fat corporate welfare cheques, the poor get capitalism, etc.

          • Sue Smith

            When you can write and punctuate correctly I’ll answer your bozo comments. Until then….

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Great, so given I don’t make your bozo comments, you will of course refrain from replying to me per your post.

            Or you’ll have proven yourself a liar. Nice to know!

            (As you show you can’t actually content my post on the facts)

          • BananaHammok9

            Just go blow yourself up in your nearest mosque please.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Yea, you insult me – a Jew – in your good old bigoted way.

          • Sue Smith

            When you’re well again you might be able to make real-life friends instead of spending your days and nights on the internet.

            Repeat after me please: people who word process on the internet are not my friends – they are strangers.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Keep demanding I do things. And I understand *you’re* a hostile stranger.

          • Richard

            Large-scale immigration drives down wages. In South Africa, local blacks kill black immigrants for driving down wages and being prepared to work for next-to-nothing. When anything is in over-supply, the price will go down. When in short-supply, it will increase in value, cue the Peasants’ Revolt.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Large-scale immigration drives down wages….in your propaganda.

            Then you mention the sort of hate generated by this kind of propaganda, and the deaths generated by it. As you try and use simplisic nostrums which do not actually reflect what happens in the real world.

            The reality is that the effect of immigrants is on other recent immigrants. Oh, and that our problems are largely home grown, economically – austerity is expensive and terrible for the economy, as can be seen everywhere and every time it’s used. But it’s easier to blame the Other, isn’t it?

            You are revolting for supporting blame of this type.

          • Sue Smith

            Correct, Richard. Watch wages plummet in Europe and the UK. But the true humanitarian will think that’s a good thing because he’s protecting his poor, deprived immigrant buddies.

            I love that kind of altruism – where you give somebody your own spot because you care so much. Yea, truly.

          • BananaHammok9

            Nobody is afraid of you, you’re weak. That’s why you capitulate, grovel and sell out your daughters to rapists. You could never fight for survival. Islamophiles get beheaded first.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            And there you go, there’s your threat. I’m Jewish, of course, Mr. Islamist Banana.

          • BananaHammok9

            You keep repeating it, so much, who exactly are you trying to convince?

          • Leon Wolfeson

            It’s a factual point you have a problem with.

          • BananaHammok9

            It’s not factual Abdul. Lying shamelessly part of your religion: taqiyya.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            If you keep replying to someone else, but posting to me, I’ll start reporting your posts. FYI.

          • BananaHammok9

            You forgot to mention, how you’re a Jew. Lol

          • Leon Wolfeson

            …And you highlight your issue again.

          • BananaHammok9

            ..forgot again.

          • Sue Smith

            Projection alert!!

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Yes, thanks for alerting people to you.

          • Sue Smith

            All of your comments are bog-standard narcissists’ retorts. We’ve seen and heard it all before – to a word. I’m signing off now because you narcissists are a dime a dozen on the net.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Ah yes, so you’re are running away, with all your personalities. As everyone who disagress with you is just the same to you, you don’t see differences between people…

          • Sue Smith

            It seems you’ve found a friend!! But it isn’t a real friend; remember, the internet contributors are NOT our friends!! Ask the doctor.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            You appear to be confused.

          • Sue Smith

            You are an offense to good and decent Jewish people. Narcissists are race-neutral, and this is your real dilemma; nobody cares about you whether Jewish or Calathumpian. And that’s YOUR problem.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Of course you need to make excuses for your anti-Semitism and insult other Jews.

            And you’re nobody, and caer deeply, correct. Moreover, your far right is indeed a problem for Britain’s Jews, Ms. Narcissist – and you’re far from race-neutral.

      • Bonkim

        You are getting incoherent Is English your first language?

        • BananaHammok9

          It’s a Muslim.

        • Leon Wolfeson

          “You are getting incoherent Is English your first language?”

          You missed the full stop in the middle there.

          (I only ever do this back to grammar bores, I note)

          • Bonkim

            Have you ever posted any real comment on the reports in this paper?

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Are you real?

          • Bonkim

            Keeping an eye on Trolls and Enemy Agents – take care.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            So you’re not real. Well.

        • Sue Smith

          Somebody else has picked up on this narcissist’s problem with coherence!!!

          • Leon Wolfeson

            It’s obvious, Sue/Bonkim. But thanks for admitting it!

  • Scradje

    Europe can and should take all the persecuted minorities from the Syrian conflict. The Muslims should be distributed thoughout the 40 or so Muslim states.

    • Richard

      The Yazidis believe anybody leaving their religion should be killed. Do you really want that sort of person in the UK, either?

      • Scradje

        You are either very ignorant or a deeply disgusting person. The Yezidi are an ancient, entirely peaceful people who existed without problems for 3500 years before the advent of Islam, whose adherents proceeded to murder them. They never stopped; there are now less than one million of them left alive on this planet. Many thousands have converted to Christianity and no, they are never ‘killed’ for it. The fiends of Isli have once again inflicted mass murder, rape and forced marriage upon them and you make this stupid comment based upon some old news report? Stick to things that you know about.

        • Richard

          The Yazidi are indeed being persecuted, that is not in question. My point is: their religion condemns people who elect to leave it, to death. I don’t think that is a very good sign for their open-mindedness, nor their ability to integrate into another society. How does that make me ignorant or deeply unpleasant? Is it ignorant or deeply unpleasant to point out the truth? One of the objections to Islam is that the penalty for apostasy is death. Why should it be objectionable in one group and not so in another?

          • Scradje

            Richard, you could not be more wrong. I am glad you accept that they are being persecuted. Indeed that word does not begin to do justice to the horror they are suffering from the Isil filth. They have NO SUCH RULE, such as the one you imply. None whatever. They are the least violent people in the world. Please stop slandering these unlucky people; they are in desparate need of help. There are substantial Yezidi communities in Georgia, Germany, Armenia, Russia and even some in Britain. Many of them are Christians. Many Yezidi families are 50/50 Yezidi/Christian. They live in harmony. Please contact their representatives and find the truth. STOP what you are doing and do some fact finding.

          • Richard

            From “The Daily Telegraph” last year: “There are darker sides to the Yazidis. They have a tradition of killing any of their members who leave the religion, and 2007 it was reported that Du’a Khalil Aswad, a Yazidi woman, was stoned to death for converting to Islam and marrying a Muslim man.”

            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/11019119/Who-are-the-Yazidis-Profile-of-Iraqs-misunderstood-devil-worshippers.html

          • Scradje

            And that is the extent of your knowledge? A news report from 2007? Please show me where you have seen any rule that condemns converts to other religions to death. THERE IS NO SUCH RULE. For God’s sake man stop making libelous accusations against these poor defenseless people. If you want to criticise, then criticise the savages who have been trying to destroy them for 1500 years. The Yezidi people have been around for 5000 years. They are entirely peaceful, they have never done harm to anyone. They have no homeland of their own since they were occupied by the Muslims, they have suffered mass murder, rape and forced marriage for the 1500 years that Islam has existed. They live peacefully and are extremely well assimilated in many Christian countries such as Germany, Ukraine, Georgia, Armenia, Russia, France and Britain. They are well regarded because they are industrious and commit less crime than other immigrants. When did you last see a report about a Yezidi riot or a Yezidi terror act? You never will. They also have to live under terrible conditions in Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey, where they suffer relentless persecution. I have already informed you they many thousands have converted to Christianity and many families are 50/50 Yezidi/Christian converts. Their dead are often buried in Christian cemeteries alongside Christians. Yezidi graves in Christian cemeteries are a common site in many countries. Now please will you give up this horrible campaign? Go away and learn about them, instead of scapegoating them for one rogue incident.

          • Richard

            I have no personal truck agains the Yazidis, and like all knowledge one has that is not experiential, it must come from other sources. I have no issue with calling a spade a spade, and have no issues with pointing out the massive problems stemming from Islam. However, as was the case when I lived in Africa and could not condone actions by people simply because they were black, I cannot condone what I have read reported about the Yazidi. However, I will be the first to admit that I am not an expert. It is not a “campaign” merely a little questioning. Is the newspaper article false, and if so, why? If there is a campaign against the Yazidi by the press in this country, we should know about it.

            The Yazidi religion is of interest to me; some years ago I purchased a book about it offered as reprint and have read several other articles. However, my point remains that we need to investigate carefully before we open our borders.

          • Scradje

            We let in all sorts of filth into this country and you are worried about the yezidIs? Please don’t. They are the very last you should worry about on a long list, headed by the obvious one. There are very few reliable books or websites about yezidIs available. I will send a link if I find one.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            I’m interested in what people do, not think.

    • Leon Wolfeson

      And of course, you should be distributed to the states which agree with you rather than your trying to force your values onto the UK.

      • Scradje

        And what are your ‘values’ and how do you think they dovetail into the UK? Of course you might be a Corbynite, in which case your comments make perfect sense. To a Marxist that is.

        • Leon Wolfeson

          Ah, you’re Magical Marxist Hunting. And have clearly decided what my views are.

          What’s your bag limit?

          • Scradje

            So answer the question then.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            You’ve declared me a Marxist. Now, I’m after your bag limit, to know if you’re a threat to me or not, since you’re evidently hunting.

        • BananaHammok9

          The same values his type bestow upon their own people: a little mass rape, a little blowing up, a little warring, threatening, running amok, a bit of throwing homosexuals off tall building, and little slavery trade.

      • Richard

        Is this not a discussion forum? How is discussing something trying to “force” opinions on anybody?

        • Leon Wolfeson

          That’s completely unrelated to what I typed, which was a pastiche of your post.

          • Richard

            Ah, I see. It’s a bit early, isn’t it? Generally people only start at lunchtime, though even that isn’t as popular as it used to be.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            You maaay want to look up pastiche. Maybe.

          • Sue Smith

            No amount of linguistic chicanery will help you and your ‘condition’.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Oh yes, of course you need to make up “conditions” for people.
            And right, “chicanery”. You’re objecting to an English word.

  • Malcolm Stevas

    Collier refers dismissively to “moral grandstanding” then comes out with, “Our duty is to provide better futures for as many of the displaced as possible..” – a resoundingly lofty piece of grandstanding IMV.
    “Duty”? Is it also England’s “duty” to look after displaced and unfortunate people all over the planet? If not, why not? What is so uniquely tragic about the admittedly horrible plight of so many Syrians, compared with the equal (or even worse) suffering of people in many other countries?
    Collier’s priorities are wrong, as well as his notions of duty.

  • Richard

    Poor Europeans/Brits don’t really understand that this is an existential war. Your “good” intentions are really simply national and cultural suicide. It is sadly a zero-sum game. Others will exploit this “good” intention for their own gain, and destroy you. You’ll end up like Lebanon. But maybe this continent really is beyond repair, after decades of Loony Leftism.

    • Sue Smith

      Agree; sadly.

    • Leon Wolfeson

      Your war on the British continues. You’re espousing your goals there.

      • Richard

        Meaning?

        • Leon Wolfeson

          I wrote in an written in this language called “English”…

          • Richard

            Do you understand the notion of rhetoric?

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Do you understand English?

          • Richard

            I know you think your comments are witty, but they are actually simply mendacious,

          • Leon Wolfeson

            …In your view of me. Never mind the facts. Nope, you KNOWZ.

          • Sue Smith

            You make things up and speak to others about ‘facts’? You are very unwell.

          • Sue Smith

            And these are your projections!! Double head case.

          • BananaHammok9

            “I wrote in an written in this language called “English”…”

            Lol, imbecile.

          • Richard

            I thought that was just how he spoke. A sort of Leftie Yoda, without the levitation powers.

          • BananaHammok9

            Hey, tell us again how you’re a Jew.
            You should change your moniker to ‘I’m a Jew, really, I am’

          • Leon Wolfeson

            So non-thinking bigotry…yes, fits you.

          • Sue Smith

            I’ll pay that!!!

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Oh right, I should be writing to you in your native…hmm…Chinese?

          • BananaHammok9

            You make no sense Abdul.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Fine, you’re replying to someone else and being repeatedly careless with the reply button, I’m just reporting your posts now.

          • ThatOneChap

            Report away, you pathetic person.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Ah, I’m “pathetic” because I object to mis-aimed spam. Right. How much UCE do you send?

          • ThatOneChap

            The Ugandan Certificate of Education? What does that have to do with my comment on your idiotic contrary postings? Do you have one, perchance? Don’t bother replying, you adorable little creature.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            What a surprise, you now try and obfuscate your role a spammer sending Unsolicited Commercial Emails.

            As you try and silence me.

            Aww.

          • Sue Smith

            Making things up!! And not even original.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            No, your anti-Semitic tirade against me is entirely unoriginal.

          • Sue Smith

            He actually is unwell and makes things up. Don’t respond, is my advice. He’s got pills.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Keep screaming nonsense, as you attack me – the entire point of this one of your usernames/personalities.

          • Aberrant_Apostrophe

            Eh?

          • mdj

            It doesn’t read as if it’s your first one.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            So you’re a poor reader. Okay.

          • Sue Smith

            This is unintelligible. And you make things up. Head case.

  • commenteer

    We didn’t think much of British men who fled to America to escape the Second World War. Why do we feel sympathy for young men from Africa and the Near East doing the same?
    They should be sent back to fight for the freedom of their countries.

    • mohdanga

      No, you’ve got it wrong, whitey should ‘stay out of other countries’ business’ until it’s ‘why isn’t the West doing more and intervening militarily to help us’??

  • edlancey

    “If you want to help refugees”

    Nobody I know gives a toss about them…

    • Coastliner

      Hear hear!

    • Sue Smith

      Same. But I do care about the vulnerable – children the same age as my grand-children and their mothers, plus the elderly. These are the people I feel very sorry for – not the healthy, aggressive males of fighting age who have abandoned ships just as swiftly as any rat.

      • Leon Wolfeson

        And that’s why they need to be saved from you – they’re not for your consumption.

    • Leon Wolfeson

      Says a lot about who you mix with.

      • edlancey

        not with your type, that’s for sure.

        • BananaHammok9

          Be careful, he’s gonna mention for the 20th time how he’s ‘a Jew’, and accuse you of antisemitism
          It’s a Muslim.

      • Sue Smith

        You wouldn’t know anything about ‘mixing’ as you have no friends. Your ubiquitous presence on the internet tells us all that.

        • Leon Wolfeson

          So all your personalities know that. As you make up nonsense. Keep trying to tell other people who they are.

  • Patrick Roy

    That’s nice to say, but this is all evidence that the world is a sh*thole; and Western society is FABULOUS. Unfortunately, we can’t take the whole world in; and perhaps we should re-think whether Imperialism was wrong. Clearly it might benefit the world right now.

  • DennisMcScumbag

    The worst thing about taking up the white man’s burden is that you will never be appreciated for it in the long run, the abolition of slavery is a fine example of this.

    • logdon

      Or the Indian railway system for which they are now claiming reparations.

      • Bonkim

        Ruining their morning walks to the Loo.

  • grumpyoldrockape

    ‘There are ten million people displaced from
    Syria. We have a duty to help more than just the ones who try to cross
    the sea illegally

    33 Comments Paul Collier

    8 August 2015’

    Written in the future by Paul Collier who doesn’t know what day it is.

  • Cosmo Zapiens

    I suggest we import a herd of sharks from South Africa into Mediterranean. Once this becomes known not many illegals will attempt the crossing.

  • Zululi

    In WW2 French and Polish refugees fleeing to England, fit men and women, were trained, armed and allocated to their respective National battalions which then took the fight back to liberate their countries. Now, how many Syrians are we talking about here….?

  • michael

    So, more foreign aid – more squandering of other peoples money.

    -Perhaps asylum seekers should be housed in a more ‘neighbourly’ Jordanian fashion, and their first smart phone video call home, will NOT be to say… “I’ve arrived wait for the first family allowance cheque”
    – but ,”There’s nothing much here, don’t waist any more money on people trafficking crooks”.

    • Sue Smith

      The false note in your comments is “asylum seekers”. These people clearly are not in that category.

      • michael

        So whats wrong with Greece, Italy, Austria, Germany, or France?
        Would it be that they have ZERO entitlements..and will not receive instant cash. ?
        More to the point why does nobody ask them?

        “Britain or die”? -Sounds decidedly extremist.

  • jim

    Arabs don’t help each other.They’ve let their “brothers” rot in camps for decades. Africans define themselves by tribe. They won’t help each other.I don’t know what the solution is but the absolute priority is to keep them out of europe.

    • AtilaTheHen

      And the first step must be Brexit.

    • Leon Wolfeson

      Ah right. So, end all rights, smash wages, and make ourselves into a copy of the third world countries you so like.

      Arabs are just like you, you say.

      • jim

        A much quicker route to the thirdworld is to stuff ’em all into our cities.

      • ThatOneChap

        Why does Britain withdrawing from the EU accomplish that? Does this mean that any country outside of the EU has no rights or poor wages? Or perhaps your rhetoric is complete nonsense and transparent?

        • Leon Wolfeson

          Thanks for confirming my post is solid and good. As you note carefully that no other country has withdrawn from all it’s trade treaties and thus given a body blow to it’s economy.

          Your right have called repeatedly for less rights and lower wages.

          • ThatOneChap

            Actually many have called for more important rights, such as freedom of speech, which you’ll say is freedom to abuse or something similar and pathetic, to be restored. And you also are so simple as to believe that any Brexit would just be a massive sudden withdrawal with no diplomatic consideration taking place. But then again you do strike me as a pathetic simple man.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Ah, the right to abuse others because of their external appearance, faith, etc.
            “Free Speech”

            And you’re making arrant assumptions about how negotiations would be a success, when other countries would have plenty of economic reasons not to play ball. Moreover, negotiating trade treaties takes a decade or more, maybe five years if rushed…

            Of course you need to throw insults, proving my point.

          • ThatOneChap

            You’re the one throwing insults around like mad in other comments. I only thought I’d do my part in returning the favour.

            And yes, unfortunately in order to have free speech, one must allow people who spout hateful, evil divisive filth, like yourself, to have the right to speak out. Because it’s one of the most critical rights and important principles that nothing remain unchallenged. Hence why I’m challenging you at the moment. Otherwise the abuse spouted by people such as yourself just continues and festers without being challenged.

            And my arrant assumptions are based on the fact that Britain, as one of the world’s largest markets and economy, will not suddenly drop into quagmire upon having to make a new deal with the EU trading bloc and adapt new trading deals with other nations. Funnily enough, most nations around the globe are capable of making trading deals, changing them and striking new ones as their situation differs. And if it takes a decade or so, then so be it. It is not as if no business will be allowed to transpire or temporary accommodation will not be made legally.

            My, it’s almost as if I am advocating for a British exist from the European Union with knowledge that it will not be as simple as signing a piece of paper. Who knew?

            Anyway, have a fun time being contrary and pathetic, Mr ‘I am totally a British Jew’ Wofleson. No doubt you will respond to this comment because you can’t stand being challenged and love to have the last word.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Yes yes, you thought you’d go first, ignoring what I said.
            And then you whine, when you want to enable hate speech.

            Then you ignore international trade law (no, you cannot “temporarily” ignore said law), and think it’ll be alright really – as you ignore the lead times, ignore the unprecedented situation you’d put Britain in, where other countries could take advantage by cutting us out, etc.

            A decade of massive economic issues to get back a fraction of the treaties we have now, with a much lower GDP. And right, it’s as simple as a scribble on paper to you, never mind the damage done.

            As you show your bigotry against Jews, as you try desperately to silence me.

          • Sue Smith

            More projections. The narcissist will always project her/her own perfidy onto others – or try to!!

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Yes, thanks for highlighting your issues, and your demands to be free to abuse people.

          • Sue Smith

            Your projections are never going to end because you’re a narcissist and they are damaged people who just don’t know any better.

            Long after people have stopped listening to narcs they go onto the internet and Troll. All of your responses are typical of those of a narc. Sad for you, a pain in the butt for us.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            I’m not you, so sorry.

            As you talk on and on about you and your personalities, and blame other for everything including your backside.

          • ThatOneChap

            Also, just another comment but ‘Your right’. That implies that it isn’t your right either.

            I thought you were a British Jew? Or am I mistaken? Identity politics is such a funny thing especially when pathetically using it as a shield to post nonsense.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            And that explains your post, exactly, and your bigotry. Right.

    • Richard

      As somebody from Africa, I can only agree with you. There is an emphasis on saving children, rather than ensuring opportunity. Somebody with ten children who has no way to feed them does not need to have ten children survive, they need to have some way of coping with those who do survive. It is very odd: in dry seasons, you will note that animals curtail their breeding, in some cases, not reproducing at all. They know they cannot ensure food for their young. However, in Africa, people breed continually, having no thought or care for the well-being of their offspring. They now know that white people from abroad will give them grain, so there is no incentive to alter their behaviour. The increase in misery is marked. It also renders more people prey to slavery in Islamic countries, because they are so desperate.

      People like Bill Gates, presumably trying to assuage some guilty business-practices in their pasts, have a lot for which to answer.

  • johnb1945

    Like Paul Collier I suspect that the people prepared to risk these journeys are weighted heavily towards the innovators and the risk takers. The kind of people developing economies need.

    My own idea was a colonialism-lite – create enforced safe zones in Libya where displaced people could build lives, learn and trade without having to come here to do it. These places could be open to Libyans too. Gradually the security of the zone could be handed over to the people living in them. Maybe this idea would be too expensive, or unworkable due to sectarian and nationalist tensions or the ease with which zones could be infiltrated, but I firmly agree that the solution to this problem has to be in the areas where migration is staged, not here.

    The problem with refugee camps has been identified perfectly. Once you’re in one, there’s nothing to do except weather the passing storm. Some people don’t like a life of long term dependency.

  • ChingfordMan

    By effectively guaranteeing the final leg of their individual journeys (rescuing them in the Med), the EU is simply making the services of the human traffickers more attractive (and presumably more costly) to would-be migrants. Absolute madness

    • Aberrant_Apostrophe

      Perhaps the EU should transport all wannabe migrants straight to Europe from their allegedly war-torn countries? That would force the traffickers out of business overnight. Can anyone can see any flaws in my cunning plan?

  • Patrick_Blankfein

    Boo hoo! So people of some regions can’t get their act together! So they have some automatic right to come and stay with those who have got their act together. No they do not! If someone is poor, do they get the right to take a room in the house of someone who is rich? no they don’t; if they did, it would be socialist lunacy that would end in the destruction of society. What I see is a whole bunch of pathetic, childish characters coming for the party they are most certainly not invited to. There are the socio-economic reasons which are easy to understand (just an arbitrage of benefits, schooling etc); but it seems to me that these people think that white people are somehow desirable people to be with; and that is something white people really do need to think about; why is it that any white establishment/institution is prey to non-white people? why does Britain need diversity, as though it were a crime for white people to have their own community? You probably need to be a bit of a racist to understand how non-whites regards whites and if you can get your head around that, you might come to some rather disturbing conclusions; e.g. there is a caste system – in which, white people are top dog – whether you like it or not. Do you remember Nigel Farage’s diversity love in bandwagon? Do your remember what his brown-skinned lovies said ‘I am Asian and proud’ ‘ I am black and proud’ do you remember what Nige said? ‘I am Huguenot and proud’ not ‘I am white and proud’ no, he would never.

    • Leon Wolfeson

      No, you’re quite repellent, don’t worry about it. As you ignore the fact there’s lots of different White communities in the UK – Various types of Celts, Irish, English (with sub-types), etc. – and communities like mine where there’s members of every external phenotype including White…

      And someone else had your views…he was complaining about, what was it…ah yes, Jewification. And then there’s the caste system you’ve invented and are advocating…

      • patrickirish

        Why don’t you go and spend the weekend in Malmo Mr Wolfeson, You know, go for a morning stroll in the caftan and yarmulke, drop in for some kosher bagels and then have a quiet pray in the local synagogue. You will then reap what you are sowing Mr Wolfeson.

        • Leon Wolfeson

          No, the violence aimed at Jews is by the choice of those who chose, as Humans, to blame Jews for their issues.

          *Blaming* others for your own choices is pathetic. You’re whining about people daring to wear clothing you don’t approve of, eat food you don’t approve of, do actions you don’t approve of…be in any way different from you and your bigots.

          It it wasn’t Jews, you’d just find another target. As history shows.

          First they came…

          • patrickirish

            Mr Wolfeson I am not surprised at your abuse. Perhaps a little disappointed that you need to be lead by the nose to knowledge. I suggest you google various combinations of things such as Jews and Malmo. Then Jews, Muslims and Norway etc. you will see that it is mainly Jews who are the victims of “diversity”. I was gently suggesting it

          • Leon Wolfeson

            I see a clear support there for people who felt as you claimed to, actually. It as a blatant screed, in fact. The problem is environments where Jewhate is tolerated.

            Malmo is a great example – a certain Swedish mayor has created an environment hostile to Jews. People who otherwise would not have dared do anything…take action, and the police are disinterested. At the Parliamentary level, there’s at best no interest in doing anything, and at worse mild hostility.

            And of course, as intolerance in society rises – which is fostered by laws such as those in France – attacks on Jews grow. The best way to protect Jewish people is a tolerant society – not a divided one, where communities never mix. And hate rising, even when “technically” aimed at other groups always, always splashes over onto my people.

          • Richard

            Who are your people? Loony Lefties with no grasp on reality? Don’t presume to speak for Jews.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Keep spewing that PC bigotry.

            And factually, my people are Jews. You clearly have a problem with that, and hence us.

          • Richard

            I thought your people were Humans, as per your earlier post?

          • Leon Wolfeson

            And that’s all you have.

          • Richard

            I wish you good day, and strongly urge you to request a review of the correct dosage. Sometimes you will find that upping it just a bit provides a “breakthrough” effect that manages to address the issue, even if only symptomatically.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            So, you strongly urge the far right, social darwinist, totalitarian view that disagreement with your dogma is mental illness.

          • Richard

            They say the soup in those sorts of places is really good. Comfy rooms, all that sort of thing. Now, honestly, I must be going. Been lovely chatting with you, but that nice lady will take over now.

            PS: I think you mean Stalin et al (as described so well by Solzhenitsyn) which is really far Left.

          • BananaHammok9

            Your people are not Jews. My wife and children are Jewish, and I have worked all my life with Jews and Israelis
            You are a troll, and a very obvious on eat that.
            I presume you are a Muslim. Many of your ilk come on comment sections, choose Jewish names, and keep repeating that ‘they are Jews’, as if that’s something most Jews normally do.
            You’re a cretin.

          • Richard

            This is far less polite than what I would say, but sadly I must agree. I do note a problem with responding to actual issues in his responses, so I must assume some sort of “issues”…

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Yes yes, Jews are not Jews to you, as you show your anti-Jewish views. You’re lying, of course, you presume I’m just like you. You talk about yourself, an obvious infiltrator.

            And an anti-disabled bigot, as well.

          • Richard

            It may be worse than I thought. Maybe it’s not starting too early at all, it’s another order of issue entirely.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Yes, I’m Jewish. Get over it.

          • BananaHammok9

            Yeah yeah, so we’ve heard Abdul.
            The more you say it, the more people believe you.

          • Bonkim

            What an idiot!

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Yea, go you!

          • patrickirish

            Yes, I had correctly assumed you would know about Malmo and parts of Norway and of course large parts of Paris. So in whose interest is it for you to encourage the free migration of those most hostile to Jews? I understand the historical reasons for you speaking as you do. But why continue in the face of clear evidence that Jewish attacks on white hegemony have had unintended consequences. I thought Jews were smarter than that. But I suppose you find yourself between a rock and a hard place. But you forget one of the meanings of discrimination. Sadly for you and a bit later, for me.

            Sent from my iPad

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Blocking the far right from migrating comes with unacceptable collateral costs.

            “Jewish Attacks”….right.

            Sent from a normal desktop PC.

          • patrickirish

            I am intrigued that someone who asks wtf about Palestine cannot believe you really are a Jew!!!

          • Leon Wolfeson

            It’s sadly fairly standard behavior from some people.

            I am, of course, Jewish. I’m a Labour Zionist and support Israel, but not Israel’s Government generally.

            And… the Israeli government really didn’t have any choice but to send the IDF into Gaza and destroy the terror tunnels. Hamas, who seized Gaza by force….I note Hamas have never managed to get Egypt, through multiple very very different Egyptian governments, to open Gaza’s border to them.

            I actually support including Hamas in talks – because they’ll be entirely unreasonable, refuse to recognise Israel’s existence and generally stall things, and will get rapidly dropped for the next batch of talks. Cynical, but there you go.

          • patrickirish

            Interesting discussion. Thank you.

          • BananaHammok9

            *snort*

          • BananaHammok9

            I know Jews inside out. As an only child, with parents who passed young, I was basically adopted into my wive’s jewish family at the age of 24. My father in law, welcomed me into his business, and together with my brother-in-law, I have worked with Jews and Israelis for over 30 years. I own a holiday flat in Tel Aviv, and spend at least 4 weeks a year in Israel.

            This turd is no Jew.

          • Richard

            Remember that Ashkenazim are intelligent on average, so that is on a statistical projection. It does not apply to each individual. And I think you may note some other influences on the cerebral cortex, too.

          • Bonkim

            Spot on – Now go and preach that to Mr Nethanyahu. He needs updating.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Mr Nethanyahu doesn’t like me and wouldn’t listen.
            I mean, personally.

            I was going out with his Niece for a while, it’s a long story.

          • BananaHammok9

            oh dear

          • Richard

            I think “gently” is the problem. People tried “gently” with Pol Pot, too, you know.

          • Richard

            “…as Humans”? So there are no differences between cultures, value-systems, ethnicities, nothing at all? All science and research and simple daily experience that show differences should and must be suppressed?

            The perfect thing for you would be to spend a decade or so in Africa (not Cape Town, either) and then a decade in the Middle East, to see whether your armchair-hypothesis holds any water.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Nobody is inherently worth less because of where they live.

            You are making up crap, of course, to justify discrimination. No surprise you want to drive me (and my people, of course) out the country. To places which your capitalists loot.

            And I may well end up in Israel, of course. If the far right drive my people out of Britain, which is looking increasingly likely.

          • Richard

            “…inherently worth less”? Where was this stated?

            “Making up …”?

            “…drive me (and my people, of course)…”?

            “…your capitalists”?

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Who do you think you’re fooling?

          • BananaHammok9

            No Abdul: who do you think YOU’RE fooling?

          • Leon Wolfeson

            Who are you taking to? Certainly not me.

          • Richard

            “To whom are you talking” is correct. Do not end sentences with prepositions.

          • BananaHammok9

            Muslims are not very educated, most are illiterate.

          • Richard

            This is regrettably true, in my experience. My wife once had a female Muslim doctor in all the garb, which was very odd. We changed consultants pronto, as it is impossible to believe that anybody who does that can think laterally and resolve problems outside the orthodoxy. Even where they are educated, I doubt the application of that education can be that efficacious.

          • BananaHammok9

            Israel does not want you, stay away!
            Go to Tower Hamlets instead, it’s where you belong.

      • Bonkim

        Most Jews have more intelligence – I am doubting if you are a Jew. Are you sure?

        • Leon Wolfeson

          Of course you need to hate me for being a Jew blah blah. Same old.

          • Bonkim

            I have high regard for intelligent jews but not those with the mental age of Hamas suicide bombers – I suppose you both deserve each other. You have your human right to be an idiot – enjoy your freedom.

          • Leon Wolfeson

            So, right, you have a problem with Jews. As you oppose my freedom, right.

            And then you want me dead…yea, about on par for you.

          • Bonkim

            You have a problem with yourself – pity Kids Company has gone bankrupt – the sight of the Bird of Paradise Miss Batman would have cured you.

            Now regards Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Christians, Buddhists or Shinto I don’t give a damn about your religion or ethnicity, sexual orientation or how you look, what you eat.

            All you are doing is wasting your time and others’ Just disappear!

  • ChingfordMan

    If it is indeed morally right to offer any poverty-stricken African to a life in Europe then why aren’t we sending transport ships to bring them over here, instead of forcing them to compete in a dangerous, multi-border assault course like some dystopian version of ‘Total Wipeout’?

  • Patrick_Blankfein

    If this continues, the British public should work out a sum and deduct it from collective tax returns. WHY IS BRITISH TAX MONEY PAYING FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS TO STAY HERE!

    • Sue Smith

      Agree. I’ve always adhered the principle, “put your money where you gob is”.

    • Leon Wolfeson

      So you’re arguing for tax evasion, hurting services out of spite.

    • Mary Ann

      Because they are not allowed to work.

  • Dogsnob

    I honestly don’t care about the refugees. All I would like is for the states of Europe to get serious about keeping them out.

    • Bonkim

      I would send Helicopter Gun ships to the Sahara to finish them off in the desert – more hygienic for them and us.

  • WarriorPrincess111111

    Paul Collier, the author of the above report – is a man with an agenda to help the poor and disadvantaged people of Africa. I believe he is also a professor at the Blavatnik School, Oxford which prepares students for Government positions. Having said that the above report is written in Government style.
    First of all, does Paul Collier expect the UK to become a sheltered environment for the World’s population? There are disillusioned people in every country in the world – should the UK take them all in?
    His views on Africa are dated. As of recent years the EU has had continuous meetings in Africa discussing Trade and Investments. In parts of Africa there is huge investments being made and a large number of businesses from all over the World, are moving on Africa. Why? Africa is the wealthiest country in the World because of its huge untapped resources.
    True! There has been much unrest in Africa. There always has been, this is not new.
    Much of the unrest has now been resolved and many countries on this continent are transitioning into successful economies.
    As always in governmental speeches – there is no mention as to where these poor, starved immigrants seeking to better themselves – each found the several thousands of pounds to pay people traffickers?
    The problems in Syria? Since it has been shown many times on the internet that ISIS terrorists are being funded by the US, by its allies Saudi Arabia and Israel – along with numerous anomalies surrounding this band of terrorists – there are many doubts about the whole issue.
    No, Paul Collier – the British people made their own arrangements in reducing family sizes to offset the growing natural population, so that the British Isles could sustain the indigenous people. The nation cannot accept additional numbers of people, who do not share the same responsibilities and who are a very heavy burden on the UK.
    It is easy to imagine, in our view – that these people from Africa are running around in loin cloths without access to health services and education and that they have nowhere near the standards of the westernised countries. But from their view – the standards that they are aware of are those that they have grown up with and have learnt to deal with situations. Africa is moving forward – slower and behind the westernised countries – but nonetheless, it is moving into the future. African people should be welcoming the changes and staying in their own country to speed these changes along.

    • Bonkim

      But the grass is greener across the fence – and TV and media are so inviting – who can resist?

      • Mary Ann

        Lots of people blogging about how easy it is to get benefits in this country don’t help.

        • Bonkim

          Eldorado is where you imagine it to be. No different people from Europe flocking to the New world during the great potato famine.

  • WarriorPrincess111111

    Doesn’t anyone find it rather strange that the African’s hated the White man taking over in their country, and screamed for their independence – yet these Africans are relentless in their attempts to get into the ‘white man’s world’?

    • Bonkim

      Learning from example I suppose.

    • Mary Ann

      what’s sauce for the goose……

  • jim

    “If you really want to help refugees….”

    Well……..ummmm…

    • Sue Smith

      They’re not ‘refugees’ so your proposition is an ontological issue.

      • Leon Wolfeson

        …Because you say they are not.

        Do you also make light by declaring the sun turns on?

      • Mary Ann

        If not refugees what are they, and what are you using as a source of information.

        • Sue Smith

          Economic migrants. Refugees head to the first port of safety; by the time they get to Europe they’ve already transited through several countries most of them. Not rocket science.

  • stephengreen

    I stopped reading at ‘duty of rescue’. We have none. And no attempt to argue how we might have.

    • sidor

      What about the duty to accept when they safely arrived? This is the central problem. They arrive because of being aware of that duty.

      • stephengreen

        Duty is a value-laden word, indicating moral responsibility. Legal obligation to process, yes. And you’re right, legally we have signed ourselves up to somethings we now need to extract ourselves from. It’s telling that in all the hubbub around illegal immigrants (which, BTW obscures the multiples who come fraudulently by air, much larger than those by ferry) no-one in a significant position is discussing those entitlements, such as amending the Refugee Convention – modifying or resiling from. The Australian PM did previously, no-one here.

        • Mary Ann

          The day we stop taking asylum seekers is the day Britain goes down the drain as a civilised country.

          • stephengreen

            Your definition of civilized is obviously far from mine. Civilisations usually distinguish themselves from barbarians, not open the city gates, bid them enter and bestow relative wealth upon them. That is only civilised to death cult liberals.

          • Mary Ann

            But you see refugees as barbarians, whereas I see them as people fleeing from war.

          • stephengreen

            They are clearly from barbarous countries, moot if they themselves are barbarians themselves, although their folkways often are. 60m globally fleeing from war or upheaval, we have our first responsibility to ourselves, our descendants.

  • gezonk

    AJ have a one hour interview with Paul Collier on immigration coming out tomorrow, based on this preview, it ought to make some headlines… https://twitter.com/AJHeadtoHead/status/629325509017468932

  • RobbyB

    Hi, first post here. I’m not at all sure about international law etc but I would like to see some clearer thinking about how we categorise and then treat people. To my mind, an asylum seeker is different to a refugee which is different to a migrant. Individuals used to seek political asylum and therein lies the clue. An asylum seeker is fleeing a situation where he is being individually persecuted for political reasons rather than the victim of a wider problem such as a war. Refugees fall into this latter wider category and may be the victims of a war or natural disaster. Their situation may be dangerous and unpleasant but they are not being individually persecuted. Finally, there are economic migrants who are poor and want a better life.

    I would accept all the asylum seekers into the country so long as they were verified and made their application to a British Embassy outside these shores. Any entry to the country via illegal means would immediately invalidate their application regardless. All verified asylum seekers should get our full support including benefits, work permits and immediate family rights. But they will have a high bar to jump first.

    As far as refugees are concerned, we should accept our fair share but refugee status would attract only temporary status ie minimal benefits, no work permit, housing in camps or barracks where they would be looked after until they could return home. The concept would be that their presence here is only temporary unless they applied for immigrant status while they are here (see next)

    Finally, we have to consider migrants. We should have full control over this and only accept people who can provide a skill that we need. If they don’t have the skills that we want then they should not be accepted. Again, entry to the country by illegal means would invalidate any application.

    Probably hopelessly illegal, but to my mind a fair approach. We can’t take everyone in the world who is fed up with their lot I’m afraid.

    • MikeH

      A first step would be to distinguish between folk who could possibly have a claim to entry as refugees, such as those actually fleeing the Syrian conflict and the vast majority who are simply economic migrants or worse (those who wish us ill).

      Perhaps a processing centre based in Calais for those immigrants who wish to legitimately identify themselves and their nationality, and be open to fingerprinting and checks. It can then be decided how to correctly assess their status and proceed with their possible settlement here, or more germane to their current location – in France. Any that evade this can and should be returned.

      If one commits a crime, is arrested and subsequently refuses to reveal one’s identity the police will hold you until it is discovered. A similar rule should apply in this case, with deportation being the sanction.

      • RobbyB

        I very much agree with the idea of a processing centre in Calais. Also, the lack of papers/ID would automatically invalidate any claim. How else can we check that people are not terrorists etc? I am sure ISIS and similar groups will have already used the route from Libya and Syria to infiltrate people with bad intentions onto the European mainland. I wouldn’t want to be too alarmist about this threat but we need some kind of mechanism to ensure our own security.

        • rj

          I also agree that we need to look at processing in Calais. The situation has changed since Sangatte was closed.

          In addition I believe it’s now time to look again at issuing UK national identity cards. I’ve previously been against this idea, but sadly, due to so many trying to cheat the system, I now believe it is a relatively small price to pay for more efficient policing and improved security at home.

          • RobbyB

            ID cards have always been politically toxic but perhaps the country would be willing to support the idea now in the light of the current immigration and security problems we are experiencing. It would get my vote, but there are many die-hard civil rights proponents that would oppose it.

          • Mary Ann

            Changing our own way of life because of the fear of terrorism is giving into terrorism.

          • rj

            I hear you, but would carrying an extra form of ID really change our way of life?

            It’s not my ideal solution by any means, but it’s about more than combating terrorism. It’s about efforts to make society fairer, by ensuring the tax I pay goes to the people and institutions for which it is intended.

        • MikeH

          Yes, preferably with some nationals of the countries working for us to identify and question those camped out in Calais to identify their true nationality.

          Surely a Syrian or an Eritrean could identify one of their own as we could identify a fellow Brit?

        • Bonkim

          So what will you do with those that have tossed their passports in the sea and hiding their mobiles and money under the loins.?

      • Mary Ann

        Where do you get the information that the vast majority are economic migrants rather than refugees?

        • MikeH

          Hi Mary Ann.

          Great question.

          I use Dulux’s rather ironically named Deep Warm Neutrals range colour chart.

          Syrians and Libyans tend to match Evening Barley or Sandy steps.

          South Asians and Sub-Saharan Africans are closer to the richer, darker tones of Hazelnut Truffle or if one may be so bold – Intense Chestnut.

          I believe you can directly order or pick up a free colour swatch at your local DIY store. Just compare that to photos or news reports of the Calais crims’.

          Would be fascinating to see if you find any of the peripheral tones more appropriate. Roasted Coffee or Conker perhaps?

      • Bonkim

        Thousands waiting in the queue to be deported – not enough transport and the British Judges and Barristers making a good living out of the human misery..

    • Mary Ann

      It could be very difficult for Asylum seekers to follow the correct procedures, while waiting for the civil servants to act they could die or be locked up, they are after all being persecuted.

      • Bonkim

        But not in Calais – these people have come many hundred miles through Europe without persecution.

    • Bonkim

      You have been reading too many books on international law – look up human behaviour and how populations are exploding across the globe and resources running out. Also the history of man and how migration, invasion, wars and revolution shaped the world we live today – and how everything in there is continuously evolving – most of the nation states of today did not exist a hundred years back and many will not in the coming hundred years. Check all around you will fight to the finish as many that are hungry and landless appear to be prepared for.

  • Hugh Jeego

    The problem is, things are never going to improve for the vast majority of these countries if the people who could be doing something about it keep leaving them. But on the other hand, it’s extremely callous to say they should go back and make their own places better. The west wasn’t such a wonderful place a few hundred years ago, and it was only through the actions of its inhabitants (the common people and the more enlightened of the aristocracy) that it’s got to the relatively affluent and stable position we’re now in. Running away en masse is no long-term solution.
    How to square that circle, huh?

    • Richard

      The difference is that nobody else welcomed Europeans when they set sail, so you knew if you left, you faced danger. That meant that only certain people left, not really the ones who would effect social change. If you look at what people faced in Australia or South Africa or Canada, it was severe deprivation and difficulty. Any iota of infrastructure, you had to build up yourself. These countries were complete and utter wildernesses. Contrast that with what these illegal immigrants encounter when moving to Europe today, and you’d almost be a fool not to come. People fetch you from your point of origin, give you houses, food, benefits, free health-care, education…

      It will all collapse, of course, given time, and we will all live at the same basic level of the people now invading our shores. It takes courage to have your own society, free from these ignorant masses who will destroy it. South Africa and South America would be good compared to what we’re likely to get.

      • Bonkim

        Free designer clothes and Kids Company make you feel at home.

      • Bonkim

        Many Spanish and Portuguese are emigrating to South America.

    • Bonkim

      Opening up the new world with its bounty and free slave labour helped as did technology and that the bulk of the earth’s population was illiterate and backward..

      • Hugh Jeego

        It did, but wasn’t a massive benefit for the common man at the time. The point I was making was that the lot of the vast majority of the population of the west was improved by those who stayed and fought against the corrupt and oppressive regimes in their own countries. Not by those who ran away somewhere else.

        • Bonkim

          Agree on that count – but the Europeans were escaping from hunger and civil conflict/persecution and the new world and expanding technology and resource base coupled with slave labour from the lesser developed parts of the world pushed development in North and South America, even Asia – countries within the British Empire – India and North America also benefited considerably in parallel with the technological and organisational developments – we need to look at the benefits of such processes – not just criticize people and events from the past.

          Parts of the world with backward religions and poor social organization failed to catch up, remained backward until the present – some of the conflict zones belong to those societies.

          Also regrettable misguided foreign aid, improved medical facilities brought in from the West have allowed populations to explode where life was untenable in the past – the human bomb is what is destroying these illiterate and backward societies with the cancer spreading to previously developed world.

          • Hugh Jeego

            I definitely agree with you there.

  • Kasperlos

    Paul Collier’s sentiments are tosh. He makes no effort, too PC I imagine, to also explain the untold damage the influx of illegal border crossers are doing to Europe’s culture, language, customs, economy, and political processes. It’s upending things on a speed, scale and scope to an extent that people would have laughed at should you have warned them 20 years ago. While everyone has a ‘right’ to dream about living someplace else I doubt that a dreamer who wishes to reside in Buckingham Palace would have much luck getting past the front door. And our Europe, as a home, is having its front and back doors broken into daily by, yes, ‘swarms’ of law breakers from alien cultures.

    • Bonkim

      Good points.

  • Mountainman

    Tempt them into the sea?? Sorry we drove them into the sea by bombing their countries in support of US and Israeli geopolitical strategy.

    • MikeH

      Drove who exactly?

      The Eritreans into the Red Sea?

      The Pakistanis into the Arabian Sea?

      Those nationals seem to make up the bulk of the Calais criminals currently conniving to breach our borders.

      • Mountainman

        Syrians and Libyans are the subject of the article

        • MikeH

          And the premise of your original reply pertained to folk being driven into the sea by our bombing, one assumes into a boat.

          The trans-Mediterranean boats we are witnessing in the reports comprise of nationals mostly from outside of Syria and Libya, from countries we have not bombed. What’s their excuse?

        • BananaHammok9

          Muslims!
          Instead of spending billions killing their own, maybe the religion of pi$$ could try helping their own for once.

    • BananaHammok9

      Yes those poor homeless 1.6 Billion Muslims and their 57 enormous, oil rich countries…..

  • mikewaller

    This is at least a sensible attempt to address the core problem. Whether it would be quite so easy as is suggested to make the scheme work, I have my doubts.

  • John Andrews

    The refugees are deserting a sinking ship instead of manning the pumps. They should be working to reform their countries, not running away from them.

    • Bonkim

      Rats don’t fight.

  • thomasaikenhead

    “If you really want to help refugees…”

    People in the UK do not, they just want to keep them out of the UK.

    This is not because they are heartless monsters, but rather because they have ‘compassion fatigue”.

    The people of the UK are remarkably tolerant but are now struggling with the impact of several decades of mass immigration and have seen the population of the UK grow from fifty million to over sixty million during that period.

    There are simply not enough resources and spaces left to absorb enough refugees to make any impact on the problem.

    The solution is to resolve the consequences of military intervention in countries such as Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya that included the UK and resulted in the failed states that are the source of these refugees.

    • Bonkim

      The solution is not to send foreign aid either – let those fighting carry one to until they just cannot fight any more and managed to reduce their populations to more sustainable levels. You also miss out – the British should be a little less sensitive to the problems of people in far away lands – no point working up yourself to a frenzy if you can do very little to change course of events. You don’t see the German or French government and media getting hot under the collar for various injustices in far off lands. Failed and failing societies should be allowed to die off – natural life-cycle.

      • thomasaikenhead

        Libya was not a failed state before France and the UK intervened, neither was Iraq or Afghanistan until Western military forces invaded.

        • Bonkim

          Yes! The bulk of the Refugees are not from Libya or Iraq – but passing through.

        • rj

          You are right they deteriorated, but they were already brutal regimes with a history of aggression.

          It is not just the west who thought they could improve these regions by using western military forces. Many of their own inhabitants welcomed western intervention at first. How many times have we seen that pattern?

          • thomasaikenhead

            “How many times have we seen that pattern?”

            Enough to know that military intervention does not work, hence the reason that the P5+1 states tried diplomacy instead!

  • Freddythreepwood

    This article purports to find a solution to the problem when it does no such thing. Nor does it identify the true cause. Nothing will change until the so-called European Union admits its open borders policy is a disaster and reinstates border controls between the Northern states and those bordering the Med. The EU is aware of this, which is why it has been so quiet on the issue. The current situation is entirely of the European Union’s making.

  • Jacobi

    The immediate problem must be dealt with. Minimum 1.2 million illegal immigrants in Europe, and still arriving at 200,000 pa.

    A few are genuine refugees and must be given at least temporary shelter. And we must be careful here. An increasing number of so-claimed Syrians political refugees, are anything but.

    The Economic migrant element who I have heard variously quote the cost of their journey from $ 1000 to £ 5000, are not poor. Most should be sent back. The Religious migrants, overwhelmingly Muslim, are the main problem. They, exceedingly well financed and channelled through Lybia, and increasingly now Turkey, are here to Islamise Europe by either passive occupation or possible future terrorist action. They have to be dealt with.

    When these short term problems have been dealt addressed, (will take 5 years at present rate), then we can think about the wider political economic problems of these other areas.

    • DP111

      So far Western politicians have refused to mention Islam and Muslims. It would be like Churchill stating that the Luftwaffe was the problem not the Nazi ideology.

      However pressure of the illegal migrant crisis is making countries such as Poland, Slovakia and Czech, to state they will only accept Christians, to the annoyance of the EU.

      But a refusal to confront the truth that the problem is Islam, cannot hold forever.

      • Jacobi

        I have watched carefully the footage on TV. 90% of these people are young, fit, active, well fed, aggressive, and thinking. They do not look cowardly.
        If I were that age, and an enemy was threatening my land, I would be heading in the opposite direction. If I had family, I would be looking for camp to succour then so I could head back – just as my father did.
        In my own short military (NS) career, I saw just the tail end of the refugee problem in Germany, but enough to know what a refugee looks and reacts like.
        These people are not refugees. And I say this in full acknowledgement of my Christian duty to love my neighbour as I would he would love me.

  • Ron

    Syria is the last domino in the American quest to destabilise the Middle East. As with Iraq and Libya tyrants were put in place then allowed to continue till public outcry let them be removed.

  • scampy

    You ever wonder what fantasy allah is doing about this almighty mess in his teritory

  • Marcussmod

    The white man’s guilt syndrome is wearing thin these days. The West cannot be held responsible for the Muslim civil wars and problems caused by corruption and over population in Africa. It is time to put the needs of Western Europe first. These countries have been independent for decades and have received billions in foreign aid. The child like dependency on the West by the other countries simply has to end.

  • VioletElizabethBott

    “There is an obvious endgame, in which the Syrian army dumps Assad as a liability and leads a broad anti-Isis alliance.”

    That’s one hell of an assumption. It’s an assumption that there will be a Syrian Army if Assad goes and the coalition of forces that has clustered around his family breaks up. It’s an assumption that the violence and persecutionwill end once Assad goes.

    The other way of looking at the matter is simpler. If Assad goes, ISIS wins. Perhaps if the West faced up to the fact that supporting a Russian-backed tyrant is the lesser of two evils, that might also be a way of starting to see Syrian society on the road back to being a bearable place to live for both its Sunni majority and all its many non-Sunni minorities.

  • WTF

    Its time the UK and other western nations looked after themselves and said screw whats happening in other places around the world. Europe suffered centuries of war and only now appears to have resolved its war mongering traits and its up to other countries to sort their own problems out and NOT have the UK or other states interfere. Its like adult children who misbehave at home, sooner or later the parents have to kick them out to learn the hard way.

  • Rob74

    The influx is recent while strife in the regions these people are travelling from is practically timeless. That suggests something has changed here and I think that most people are aware of what that is.

  • John Thomas

    “Europe is prosperous and safe: one of the best places on Earth.” – yes, for now, but for how long?

    • DP111

      Not long if Merckel has her way.The 1 million now are mostly young males. Once ensconced in Europe, family re-unification means ten million each year for decades.

  • Harry Powell

    On the specific subject of non-EU economic migration, I have some sympathy. Their aspirations are perfectly valid, not met in their own countries, and a push factor in their desire to come to Europe. It is their mistake, however, to think Europe can satisfy them. As the migration economist George J. Borjas points out there is a decline in “economic assimilation” of migrants in the developed world such that their incomes remain static from the date of arrival.

    What we should be considering is the establishment of ‘charter cities’ or enterprise zones of the kind conjectured by Paul Romer dotted around the developing world which could welcome refugees and migrants alike.

  • Bob339

    We must not let even one of these people into the country. They are nothing but trouble. They should fight to put their own house in order instead of illegally entering ours – often with evil intent.

  • cassius969

    Since when are Syrians Subsaharan blacks? The ones coming from syria come over the east. Those who try to cross into italy illegally are not war refugees. They are blacks looking for gibs.

  • cassius969

    The immigrants be they Latino, Black or Asian come to Europe or North America for one reason and one reason only.

    Empowerment through white rule.

    The best way to help Africa, or the middle east or any of the ailing countries is to bring white power to them. However I don’t think our brightest are in the mood to go nationbuilding abroad, not if it means being physically there and being the one to deal with it all.

  • DP111

    Creating an economic zone is a great idea. However, we will have to keep it safe from half a dozen militias, including ISIS, whose interests are not in a safe and working environment. This means we will not just have to provide air support, but troops on the ground – in Jordan and Syria.

    I really don’t think there is any appetite for yet another intervention, and nation building in an Islamic country.

  • lukelea

    Maybe we should arm Jordan and encourage it to conquer the anarchic parts of Syria and Iraq, incorporating them into a greater Jordan? After that they might go after Mecca, which they have traditionally ruled. Jordan is reputed to have the best trained army in the region after Israel. They should use it. A moderate but ruthless regime administering this part of the world would be a tremendous improvement to the status quo. Why, heck, once that were done they might even be persuaded to give up a sizable chunk on the east bank of the Jordan River for a decently-sized Palestinian state. Think bold.

  • gs07aaa

    What about the Muslim world; don’t they have a duty to rescue their co-religionists? How many Syrians has Iran taken in? How many have gone to Indonesia? – not to mention Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf States.

  • Holmeboy

    Great article, I wish the powers that be would read this.

  • K. Bekei

    This all sounds wonderful, so why wasn’t it done in the first place? Where was all this while Merkel was playing at the moral high ground?

    Europe is still crawling out of a recession with high unemployment amongst its young adults. So let me get this straight, we create jobs for Syrians and Jordanians, open it up to European markets and then they go back to Syria with these jobs. What about the unemployed youth of Europe? What about the billions it will cost before all is said and done? Why are westerners always sacrificing and paying for those who can’t or won’t help themselves.

    The problem currently with Muslims aren’t the wars, but Muslims themselves. It’s not in mainstream media, but the truth rarely is these days. Massive inbreeding within the Muslim culture during the last 1.400 years has done catastrophic damage to their gene pool. The consequences for offspring of consanguineous marriages are unpleasantly clear: Death, low intelligence or even mental retardation, handicaps and diseases often leading to a slow and painful death. Other consequences are: Limited social skills and understanding, limited ability to manage education and work procedures and painful treatment procedures. The negative cognitive consequences also influence the executive functions. The impairment of concentration and emotional control most often leads to anti-social behavior.

    This is the crux of the problem. When over 50% of your society is incapable of learning, even basics, are riddled with mental illness, physical defects is this really something any group of countries can or should even be tackling.

    What needs to happen is the 50% of Muslims unaffected, need to make changes within their countries and societies. They need to work together to remove power and authority from those affected by any forms of genetic mental illness, especially schizophrenia. No outsider, foreign power can make these changes. Chances are outsiders may not be welcomed as these marriage practices are based on their faith. They must accept and understand that it will only get worse and worse if nothing changes. It will help them better understand where all the male aggression like ISIS and religious zealotry comes from. They can work to restore Islam to the peaceful religion they claim it to be, and perhaps once was. Only then can progress truly be made for peace in the middle east.
    In the meantime, what about the economic and social costs to the European people? Will the burden of these refugees destroy the very framework of this wonderful, socialized, peaceful group of nations? Time will tell.

  • dennis richardson

    Where are the billions of ‘dollars-worth’ of wealth that Islamic nations have to pay for the poor Islamic Syrians and North Africans? This has been a con game from the very beginning. This is not charity, this is an other invasion of Europe that will lead to violence by young men; not women, small children or old women and men. Another Vienna 1683, 1697; Malta 1565; Tours France 732; Spain the entire 7th century. Islamism is NOT a peaceful religion. They conquered North Africa, Syrian, Turkey in the two centuries after Mohammed’s death. The VIOLENCE of killing everyone that will not convert does NOT make a peaceful religion. The Crusades were only justified to defend against Islamic invasion. Actually: Venetian Bankers RATIONALIZED the Crusades for their own long term banking creation purposes of Oligarchy. Everything else are Historical LIES.

  • John Brittingham

    There is nothing moral about subjecting your own citizens to rape, diseases, crime, and Jihadists bent on destroying Europeans.

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